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[00:54:38] <furrywolf> grrrr. I hate paint. I put a coat of paint on my post hole auger adapter last night. I just put another one on now. It fucking crinkled. Remind me to never, ever buy this paint again.
[00:55:24] <Tom_itx> or coat it sooner
[00:55:53] <furrywolf> Sooner would have been the middle of the night, or while I was at work.
[00:56:06] <Tom_itx> put it in your lunch box
[01:02:10] <_methods> lol
[01:02:24] <_methods> good way to get drug tested
[01:02:40] <_methods> is that gold paint in your lunchbox?
[01:09:44] <furrywolf> ?
[01:22:52] <Aero-Tec> how does one know when a parting carbide needs replacing
[01:23:05] <Aero-Tec> before it goes bang
[01:23:24] <Aero-Tec> also a threading carbide
[01:23:46] <Tom_itx> look at it under a scope
[01:24:02] <Tom_itx> if it looks like crap, it probably is
[01:24:16] <Aero-Tec> the threading one looks sharp and good but I have to adjust things to keep it with in tolerance
[01:24:23] <Aero-Tec> they are looking good
[01:25:07] <Aero-Tec> I have had them look good and go bang
[01:25:44] <Aero-Tec> mind you that was aluminum and no cutting fluid so that may have been the problem
[01:26:03] <Aero-Tec> I found cutting fluid to help tons
[01:26:04] <furrywolf> if you can see light on the edge, it's too round. or at least that's my half-assed way of guesstimating sharpness of other things.
[01:26:09] <_methods> parting sux you never know when shit will go wrong
[01:26:56] <Aero-Tec> new carbides will be more rounded then I thought they should be
[01:27:10] <_methods> you really have to listen
[01:27:34] <_methods> i'll usually here when a parting tool is going to go before anything else
[01:27:56] <_methods> s/here/hear
[01:28:07] <Aero-Tec> what are you listening for?
[01:28:14] <_methods> depends on the part
[01:28:26] <Aero-Tec> 0.087 width
[01:28:34] <_methods> but usually like a gravelly sound and an increase in spindle load
[01:28:48] <furrywolf> speaking of carbide, I got some carbide sawzall blades a couple days ago. never seen them before. not ones with brazed-on teeth - I already have some of those - but ones with a solid carbide strip along the bottom of the blade with the teeth ground into it.
[01:28:51] <Aero-Tec> I do alum 416 and 12l14
[01:28:54] <_methods> it won't sound as "smooth"
[01:29:04] <Aero-Tec> 12L14
[01:29:19] <_methods> isn't that easy to machine aluminum?
[01:29:21] <Aero-Tec> 416 does not sound great at the best of times
[01:29:31] <Aero-Tec> can be
[01:29:52] <_methods> i'm used to 5052 and 6061
[01:29:57] <Aero-Tec> but parting can gull and then your screwed
[01:30:09] <_methods> don't get a whole lot of that fancy easy to machine stuff
[01:30:22] <Aero-Tec> the cutting fluid makes a work of diff
[01:30:33] <furrywolf> anyone have any experience with these carbide sawzall blades? how does the solid carbide strip not crack instantly when the blade flexxes?
[01:30:56] <_methods> is this cnc or manual parting?
[01:31:02] <Aero-Tec> cnc
[01:31:15] <_methods> and no flood coolant?
[01:31:21] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:31:25] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[01:31:35] <Aero-Tec> home brew conversion
[01:31:38] <_methods> ahhh
[01:31:44] <Aero-Tec> needs flooding
[01:31:48] <_methods> well it's hard to say on a little machine
[01:31:52] <_methods> too many variables there
[01:32:05] <_methods> lots of slop in the system usually
[01:32:06] <Aero-Tec> not so little
[01:32:22] <Aero-Tec> 60 inch bed
[01:32:25] <_methods> oh
[01:32:29] <Aero-Tec> so not real small
[01:32:36] <Aero-Tec> 3 ph motor
[01:32:37] <_methods> well get some coolant on that then lol
[01:32:42] <Aero-Tec> 3 hp
[01:32:48] <Aero-Tec> not ph
[01:33:11] <Aero-Tec> for some shops that would be their small lathe
[01:33:17] <Aero-Tec> if they had one that small
[01:33:19] <_methods> yeah
[01:33:29] <_methods> bench lathe
[01:33:41] <Aero-Tec> just saying for a home shop not so small
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[01:34:19] <_methods> well that rules out the chinese harbor freight lathe parting issues lol
[01:34:45] <Aero-Tec> what problem do they have?
[01:34:54] <Aero-Tec> chatter?
[01:35:01] <_methods> flex,backlash,sucking
[01:35:05] <_methods> hehe
[01:35:10] <Aero-Tec> lol
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[01:36:13] <Aero-Tec> for parting
[01:36:37] <Aero-Tec> what is the best height to set the tool?
[01:36:39] <furrywolf> what mental failure causes some webdesigners to decide to reimplement scroll bars in javascript? amex seems to have hired one of them. they don't scroll.
[01:36:41] <_methods> parting is probably the most difficult thing you can do besides tapping
[01:37:00] <_methods> i set mine just barely below centerline on a manual lathe
[01:37:08] <_methods> on a cnc i set it directly on centerline
[01:37:20] <Aero-Tec> ok
[01:37:26] <Aero-Tec> will check mine
[01:37:50] <_methods> if you did a conversion and you're using a standard toolpost i'd set just below center
[01:38:13] <Aero-Tec> quick change post
[01:38:21] <_methods> yeah i'd treat it like a manual
[01:38:32] <Aero-Tec> how low?
[01:38:38] <_methods> are you sure your toolpost is square to the work too?
[01:38:47] <Aero-Tec> yes
[01:38:51] <_methods> maybe .01" or so
[01:39:03] <_methods> .01" or less
[01:39:15] <Aero-Tec> it is a good size parting holder
[01:39:30] <Aero-Tec> not the cheap low end tool
[01:39:35] <_methods> you don't want it to be too far below or the work will really ride over
[01:40:21] <furrywolf> I don't have a parting tool holder for my shoptask... will need to get one.
[01:40:26] <_methods> you using and inserted parting blade?
[01:40:40] <_methods> s/and/an
[01:41:07] <Aero-Tec> new grip blade and carbide
[01:41:19] <Aero-Tec> in a holder
[01:41:31] <_methods> grip blade?
[01:42:22] <Aero-Tec> the brand is new grip if mem serves me
[01:42:48] <Aero-Tec> over a inch deep
[01:42:49] <_methods> blade holder that holds a small carbide insert?
[01:42:54] <Aero-Tec> yes
[01:43:00] <_methods> k
[01:43:34] <_methods> how far is your workpiece stickin out of the chuck and how close to the chuck are you trying to part
[01:43:56] <Aero-Tec> so very ridged
[01:44:24] <Aero-Tec> right now about 0.5 from collet chuck
[01:44:28] <_methods> i try to keep my blade as far back in the toolpost as possible and part as close to the chuck as possible
[01:44:33] <Aero-Tec> 0.5 inch
[01:44:35] <_methods> ah good collet chuck
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[01:44:49] <_methods> well that all sounds good
[01:44:59] <Aero-Tec> the tool is not out far
[01:45:18] <_methods> good
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[01:45:21] <Aero-Tec> cutting up to 1 inch stock
[01:45:35] <_methods> well that should be easy
[01:45:38] <Aero-Tec> down to 5/8
[01:45:50] <Aero-Tec> yes for the most part
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[01:46:10] <furrywolf> someone I know tried parting a hardened axle shaft two weeks ago. even with carbide, he gave up.
[01:46:13] <Aero-Tec> just wondering how far to push the carbide before replacing
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[01:46:42] <Aero-Tec> that sounds expensive
[01:46:45] <Aero-Tec> ouch
[01:46:50] <_methods> well for me it depends on the part, and the tooling
[01:47:05] <Aero-Tec> broken blades and carbides
[01:47:06] <_methods> if it's a cheap part and cheap tooling i'll push it till it explodes
[01:47:18] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:47:29] <_methods> but if it's a one off part and i don't have any more inserts i'll baby it
[01:47:33] <Aero-Tec> good tool
[01:47:38] <Aero-Tec> cheap part
[01:47:51] <_methods> then i would ride the median
[01:47:52] <_methods> heheh
[01:48:02] <Aero-Tec> your a big help
[01:48:03] <_methods> stay near by and listen
[01:48:13] <_methods> how many parts?
[01:48:23] <Aero-Tec> got 140 to do
[01:48:29] <_methods> ah good
[01:48:31] <Aero-Tec> so not a big run
[01:48:40] <_methods> well big enough to get a feel for the sound
[01:49:06] <_methods> you doing it without coolant though?
[01:49:16] <Aero-Tec> had to keep switching from 416 to 12L14
[01:49:25] <Aero-Tec> cutting fluid
[01:49:39] <_methods> carbide should be fine without coolant
[01:49:49] <Aero-Tec> I could drip coolant
[01:49:59] <_methods> it's up to you on that one
[01:49:59] <Aero-Tec> got it there for the drilling
[01:50:11] <_methods> if you're using it for drilling i'd keep using it for parting
[01:50:34] <Aero-Tec> instead of cutting fluid?
[01:50:51] <_methods> either one
[01:51:07] <Aero-Tec> I steal the coolant from the mill
[01:51:18] <Aero-Tec> squirt bottle
[01:51:29] <_methods> yeah
[01:52:06] <Aero-Tec> well thanks for the feed back
[01:52:16] <_methods> yeah sorry i'm not too much help
[01:52:23] <_methods> it's one of those things you get a feel for
[01:52:34] <_methods> hard to explain
[01:52:42] <Aero-Tec> after a number of bangs
[01:52:45] <_methods> yeah
[01:52:57] <_methods> well when you're babying 10-12 operators
[01:53:03] <_methods> you get an ear for things
[01:53:10] <_methods> when they will go boom
[01:53:11] <Aero-Tec> hard on holder blade
[01:53:26] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:54:01] <_methods> i can hear an insert gettin ready to go from 500 yards lol
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[01:55:51] <Aero-Tec> can you said you had to listen carefully
[01:56:17] <_methods> you'll know when you hear it especially in your garage
[01:56:17] <Aero-Tec> sounds like it gets real loud
[01:56:26] <_methods> harder in a shop with multiple machines running
[01:56:44] <Aero-Tec> so how long from sound to bang?
[01:56:48] <Aero-Tec> about
[01:56:55] <_methods> quick
[01:57:01] <Aero-Tec> I know it will not always be the same
[01:57:12] <_methods> you won't have much time but it will sound progressively worse
[01:57:22] <Aero-Tec> quick, like seconds?
[01:57:25] <_methods> yeah
[01:58:01] <_methods> when parting i try to stay near the machine unless it's a part i've done millions of
[01:58:18] <_methods> parting and tapping
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[01:58:28] <Aero-Tec> so how do you stop in mid cnc cut and change carbide?
[01:58:50] <Aero-Tec> I was hoping to finish parting then change
[01:58:50] <_methods> well if i think it's gonna blow up i'll estop
[01:59:10] <_methods> but if it's just going bad and i have time i'll stop it and change the insert
[01:59:23] <Aero-Tec> cool
[01:59:30] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[01:59:33] <_methods> np
[01:59:38] <Aero-Tec> most helpful
[01:59:47] <Tom_itx> or run like hell
[01:59:52] <_methods> heheh
[01:59:57] <_methods> that too
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[02:08:23] <witnit> 9:58:28 PM - Aero-Tec: so how do you stop in mid cnc cut and change carbide?
[02:08:23] <witnit> what do you mean by this? like hit pause?
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[02:09:54] <witnit> unless its a tap i just hit stop and jog machine, then run program from that line out
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[02:20:36] <furrywolf> will linuxcnc automagically resume an operation if you stop and jog somewhere else?
[02:29:54] <malcom2073> Sure, but if you've joged somewhere that it'll hit the part moving back, it'll hit it
[02:30:29] <malcom2073> Also, you can't adjust offsets during an operation, so you can't pause, jog off, change tools, rezero Z, and continue.
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[02:31:34] <furrywolf> hrmm. adjusting offsets would be a very useful thing to do during an operation. lol
[02:32:00] <malcom2073> Yeah I agree, there was a mod that fixed that somewhere....
[02:32:09] <malcom2073> I've met with resistance previously when suggesting it though
[02:32:34] <furrywolf> flashcut (what my sherline runs) will let you pause, step forwards/backwards, etc... and then fail miserably about 10% of the time. it'll work enough of the time you'll try doing it, but fail often enough to make you want to kill it. like every other part of flashcut.
[02:33:10] <malcom2073> What do you mean fail, like execute the wrong line of gcode?
[02:33:51] <furrywolf> continue from the wrong step, crash, randomly do a move into something, give a message saying you can't continue, start the program over instead of continuing,... flashcut is BUGGY.
[02:33:59] <malcom2073> Heh whups
[02:34:02] <malcom2073> That's unfortunate
[02:34:33] <furrywolf> I'm stuck with an ancient win95 version because they tie hardware versions to software versions, so they can force you to send them $400 every time you want your bugs fixed.
[02:34:48] <furrywolf> they've likely fixed many of the bugs, but I'm not sending them cash to find out.
[02:34:58] <malcom2073> Sounds like retrofit time
[02:34:58] <furrywolf> I can buy a linuxcnc-friendly mesa setup for less than hat.
[02:35:03] <malcom2073> Right haha
[02:35:19] <malcom2073> spend $160 or so on the mesa, and buy a lot of beer with the rest
[02:36:27] <furrywolf> flashcut also crashes if _any_ box pops up over its window. windows update notification? your part is toast. screensaver? your part is toast. antivirus/java/other garbage notice? your part is toast. etc. I have to run the box with no antivirus and every auto-update for everything disabled, because for some reason all windows programs love running at startup even if you don't want them to and popping up notices...
[02:36:40] <malcom2073> Holy hell, you use that thing professionally?
[02:36:41] <malcom2073> Or just at home?
[02:36:45] <furrywolf> home
[02:36:55] <malcom2073> Still, wasted material costwise wouldn't think you'd put up with that for long
[02:37:05] <furrywolf> from a stripped-down laptop with absolutely nothing extra installed on it, and no internet connectivity.
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[02:37:08] <malcom2073> Why haven't you switched? Just the effort of setting it up?
[02:37:15] <furrywolf> time, money.
[02:37:22] <furrywolf> I have a shortage of both.
[02:37:32] <malcom2073> The former yeah, the latter, waste a couple chunks of aluminum and it'll make up for it ;)
[02:37:40] <malcom2073> My mill would be running if it wasn't for time and money heh
[02:37:50] <furrywolf> all my stock comes from the scrapyard. I can't afford new material prices.
[02:38:10] <malcom2073> +1 to that. Me and my dad both get stuff at scrap prices, and often design around the material we have :-D
[02:47:01] <furrywolf> I need to do a wood milling project this weekend... get one of the truetype-to-gcode programs working and engrave a piece of wood, as a joke on a coworker.
[02:47:47] <furrywolf> he's always complaining he's too short to open the rollup door (so someone else should do it!), so he's getting a stick with "Premium door opener - accept no substitutes!" or similar in the side of it.
[02:48:26] <malcom2073> lol nice!
[02:59:32] <furrywolf> "At 9:43 a.m., an employee from a liquor store at the 1500 block of 5th Street called and reported that 10 minutes prior, a male subject had entered the business, pointed a gun at her, and demanded money. The employee said she told him, “No!” and the subject left. "
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[03:01:08] * furrywolf sighs at the day's news
[03:01:53] <furrywolf> my favorite is still a couple weeks ago when someone tried holding up a gas station with a rock.
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[03:58:17] <Zedodia> hi everyone
[03:59:06] <Zedodia> Im being brave and dipping my toes into the world of linux lol
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[03:59:19] <Zedodia> but ive got no clue where to start
[03:59:33] <Zedodia> can anyone offer some time for a few questions
[04:00:01] <furrywolf> start by downloading and running the livecd. :)
[04:00:09] <Zedodia> live cd ok
[04:00:24] <Zedodia> well my first q was.. should be using ubuntu or debian
[04:00:38] <Zedodia> or is linuxcnc only for ubuntu
[04:01:08] <furrywolf> the current livecd has debian on it
[04:01:23] <Zedodia> ah ok.. well its downloaded. ill have to make a usb key
[04:01:33] <Zedodia> cant remeber the last time i used an optical drive lol
[04:02:43] <Zedodia> and also before i go to try this live cd... is linux cnc a stand alone os or is it like an app within debian/ubuntu
[04:04:07] <furrywolf> linuxcnc is a set of software for controlling your machine, not part of the OS. it does, however, require a realtime kernel, which is included with the installation to make it easier.
[04:05:03] <Zedodia> oh ok. cool. well i hope this works... im currently using mach3 on win7 but its so limited with gcode
[04:05:11] <Zedodia> cant even use WHILE END
[04:05:13] <Zedodia> lol
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[05:11:53] <Zedodia> so i tried to run the live cd... i cant get it to boot
[05:12:20] <Zedodia> i used a tool to make a usb bootable but still no luck... any ideas?
[05:29:00] <Zedodia> should linux cnc live cd boot on any pc?
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[05:31:12] <Zedodia> on my mac i can read the file system. on windows 7 i cant
[05:32:06] <furrywolf> you may need to set various bios options, such as boot order, to boot it.
[05:32:09] <furrywolf> I need to get to bed. bbl.
[05:34:09] <Zedodia> boot order has been adjusted
[05:34:30] <Zedodia> i even turn off booting to my ssd and it just doesnt load
[05:34:54] <Zedodia> i followed the steps online... downloaded the win32diskimage software etc
[05:35:56] <Zedodia> im using an x64 pc
[05:36:13] <Zedodia> is linux cnc for 86 only?
[05:36:18] <furrywolf> no
[05:36:39] <furrywolf> you might want to ask for help tomorrow, when other people are on... it's two hours past my bedtime, and I'm off to bed... and I think everyone else is already in bed. :)
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[06:53:55] <Deejay> moin
[07:03:58] <Crom> morning
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[09:14:24] <XXCoder> Crom: hey
[09:20:14] <zeeshan> blah
[09:20:20] <zeeshan> finally got this job done :/
[09:20:23] <XXCoder> hey 24 hours guy zeeshan
[09:20:27] <zeeshan> haha
[09:20:27] <XXCoder> what job?
[09:20:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6JJnvBr.jpg
[09:20:47] <zeeshan> had to make that bracket + key shaft + cap
[09:20:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/2eyORca.jpg
[09:21:08] <XXCoder> heh I spent 10 hours makeing 36 hose holders
[09:21:17] <XXCoder> glass inbuded nylon
[09:21:20] <XXCoder> HUGE mess
[09:21:22] <zeeshan> lol
[09:21:44] <XXCoder> I literally used snow shovel to shovel crap into trash can
[09:21:56] <XXCoder> wish it has chip remover but it dont
[09:22:07] <XXCoder> interesting project
[09:22:17] <zeeshan> i had to stay up all night
[09:22:19] <zeeshan> cause it was a rush job
[09:22:20] <zeeshan> $$
[09:22:53] <archivist> welcome to falling asleep at work
[09:23:09] <XXCoder> good money it must be worth it lol
[09:23:10] <zeeshan> luckily im working from home for friday
[09:23:12] <XXCoder> its 2:23 am here
[09:23:17] <zeeshan> 5:23 here
[09:23:38] <zeeshan> man i really think i need coolant for aluminum
[09:23:40] <zeeshan> ive been using air blast
[09:23:43] <zeeshan> but asap i take a deep cut
[09:23:50] <zeeshan> it clogs even a 3 fluter
[09:23:56] <zeeshan> only thing that doesnt clog is 2 flute
[09:24:04] <zeeshan> i need fogbuster
[09:24:24] <XXCoder> coolant is good idea anyway
[09:24:31] <XXCoder> tool life is better
[09:24:37] <zeeshan> makes a mess though
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[09:24:41] <zeeshan> i dont have a full enclosure
[09:24:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:24:48] <zeeshan> i hope fogbuster is ok
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[09:24:51] <XXCoder> well buy some 8020 build it?
[09:25:40] <zeeshan> too lazy :P
[09:25:54] <XXCoder> lol
[09:26:08] <zeeshan> http://media.exapro.fr/product/2012/09/P20912308/e162b4fbe36ad9b6d008da6e1cee5bc5/frezka-cnc-univerzalni-mikron-wf-21c3m-4-p20912308_2.jpg
[09:26:13] <zeeshan> this was an option on the machine
[09:26:31] <XXCoder> not bad
[09:26:40] <zeeshan> https://d2lbrjk5lrhj5y.cloudfront.net/typo3temp/surplex/article/20/80/MIKRON_WF_21_C_Toolroom_Mill_2080868855429450940700.jpg
[09:26:41] <zeeshan> better pic
[09:26:55] <XXCoder> old allright
[09:27:09] <XXCoder> probably earlier than even machine I use
[09:27:13] <XXCoder> which is fadal 88
[09:27:41] <archivist> going yo have to shift that manky car out for that case :)
[09:27:52] <zeeshan> nop
[09:28:04] <zeeshan> :P
[09:28:24] <zeeshan> i forgot the year of my machine
[09:28:30] <zeeshan> i think it was 89
[09:28:35] <zeeshan> oh i remember
[09:28:36] <zeeshan> 84
[09:28:46] <XXCoder> yeah fadal 88 is umm 1988 lol
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[09:29:19] <archivist> my mill dates from the 1940's
[09:29:38] <XXCoder> http://twentywheels.com/imgs/a/b/g/o/v/fadal_vmc___15cnc_vertical_machining_center_cnc_88_control_1_lgw.jpg
[09:29:55] <XXCoder> that machine looks MUCH cleaner than one I use
[09:29:57] <zeeshan> have you guys crashed a drill bit
[09:30:01] <zeeshan> like HARD
[09:30:06] <XXCoder> I did with ball em
[09:30:11] <XXCoder> it was very hard and loud
[09:30:16] <zeeshan> i really dont get linuxcnc's offsets.
[09:30:21] <zeeshan> one day they're something
[09:30:24] <zeeshan> another day theyre something else
[09:30:39] <XXCoder> it almost touched kurt jaws by drilling though 1 inch alum
[09:31:05] <zeeshan> i basically go to tool 1, g43, go to a known place, set z = 0, then go tool 2 g43, set z.
[09:31:06] <XXCoder> zeeshan: sure not different coord systems?
[09:31:11] <zeeshan> yhou can see the tlo z change
[09:31:38] <zeeshan> now if i change tool 1 to something else
[09:31:45] <zeeshan> (say i change the end mill to something else)
[09:31:52] <zeeshan> , tool 2's offset gets messed up
[09:32:01] <zeeshan> even though im updating g54.
[09:32:04] <XXCoder> set z more than once?
[09:32:18] <zeeshan> well thats what im doing now. i set z for all tools before each job
[09:32:21] <XXCoder> I usually set tool lengths and only find z once
[09:32:21] <zeeshan> but its annoying to do that..
[09:32:32] <zeeshan> cause some tools are standard like face mill, chamfer mill, center drill
[09:32:32] <XXCoder> programming is set from certain z height
[09:32:37] <XXCoder> all standardized
[09:32:49] <archivist> I treat tool one as reference for the rest
[09:32:56] <zeeshan> me too
[09:33:03] <zeeshan> for tool 1, tlo x y z all say 0
[09:33:08] <zeeshan> thats how i know its my ref tool
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[09:33:31] <archivist> so dont futz with tool 1, change another
[09:33:35] <XXCoder> interesting. company I work at reference point is always 6 inches above table
[09:33:51] <zeeshan> archivist: sometimes tool 1 wears out :P
[09:34:11] <XXCoder> tool lengths is set from tool touching off from 6 inches from table
[09:34:14] <zeeshan> i should just make tool one a haimer 3d probe
[09:34:17] <XXCoder> so z never changes
[09:34:26] <zeeshan> ah
[09:34:35] <zeeshan> anyway i blew up a 11/32 drill bit
[09:34:41] <zeeshan> it literally shattered into little pieces
[09:34:44] <XXCoder> ow
[09:34:45] <zeeshan> never seen a drill bit do that before
[09:34:47] <XXCoder> carbade?
[09:34:49] <zeeshan> no
[09:34:50] <zeeshan> hss
[09:34:53] <XXCoder> wow
[09:34:54] <archivist> my probe points should arrive real soon now
[09:34:55] <zeeshan> it come off as like 8 pieces
[09:35:02] <XXCoder> I have shattered carbide but never hss
[09:35:07] <zeeshan> 200 ipm into the work piece
[09:35:17] <XXCoder> 20 ipm wow
[09:35:22] <XXCoder> 200
[09:35:30] <zeeshan> yea scared the shit out of me :P
[09:35:59] <XXCoder> heh well I do highly recommand setting Z point to always certain z from table
[09:36:07] <XXCoder> maybe top of kurt jaws or whatever
[09:36:19] <XXCoder> work I use 2 123 blocks to get 6 inches
[09:36:29] <zeeshan> why 6 inches
[09:36:32] <zeeshan> why not the table itself
[09:36:44] <XXCoder> well you dont wanna acciently hit table
[09:37:03] <zeeshan> so you jog the machine
[09:37:04] <XXCoder> besides you cant "slide block" with table
[09:37:06] <zeeshan> and try to slide the 123 blocks?
[09:37:10] <zeeshan> ah
[09:37:12] <XXCoder> yea
[09:37:28] <XXCoder> .01, .001 then finally .0001
[09:37:39] <XXCoder> then maybe 1 or 2 extra .0001 upwards
[09:37:50] <zeeshan> cool
[09:37:58] <zeeshan> my brain cant process anymore
[09:37:58] <zeeshan> cu!
[09:37:59] <zeeshan> :P
[09:38:03] <XXCoder> for big stuff like facemill I always find lowest tooth
[09:38:18] <XXCoder> later have good sleep zee
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[13:00:54] <dexterr> How can I sign up to the linuxcnc forum? I couldnt find the link?
[13:03:38] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/comprofiler/registers
[13:03:46] <archivist> bottom left of page
[13:04:03] <dexterr> Oh ok! I didnt see. Thank you :)
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[13:04:31] <archivist> response is faster in irc :)
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[13:09:24] <jthornton> when someone is home :)
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[13:45:14] <ssi> morn
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[14:48:43] <_methods> anyone got the string for the apple crash thing?
[14:48:51] <_methods> effective.
[14:48:51] <_methods> Power
[14:48:53] <_methods> لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ 冗
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[15:09:58] <jtektool> Hmm, any Anilam guys on here. I got 3 of my relays on but solid state is not coming on. Looking for a schematic really.... basically I need to know what connector p4 goes out to. it looks like a psu? not sure; but this is true: pin 3 on relay k1 goes to pin 6 on p4. pin 11 on k1 goes to pin 3 on P4. whileP4 pin 1 is connected to to solid state relay 3. So im guessing this should be connected to 110v? I just need to know how p4 inte
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[15:33:11] <harold> hey guys
[15:33:17] <harold> when you get a part machined in a shop
[15:33:28] <harold> and they say they can get it done in, say, a week
[15:33:30] <harold> what is that called?
[15:33:36] <harold> like, what's the word, I think there's a word for this
[15:33:39] <t12> lead time?
[15:33:40] <harold> the 'turnaround time'?
[15:33:51] <harold> ah, okay
[15:33:57] <harold> i've never heard that before, but I think that's it
[15:33:58] <t12> turnaround time works
[15:34:06] <_methods> lead time or turnaround
[15:34:10] <archivist> lead or turnaround depending on your local use
[15:34:27] <jtektool> lead time in ohio
[15:34:35] <_methods> i like to call a week a rush job lol
[15:34:41] <archivist> or just slow...WHEN? I want it now
[15:36:59] <ssi> lol
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[15:37:59] <_methods> http://gawker.com/the-king-of-tech-talk-showed-everyone-a-his-naked-di-1707162572
[15:38:02] <_methods> oh leo
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[15:39:40] <ssi> lol
[15:41:51] <_methods> he must be trying to get qualified to be a boy scout troop leader
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[16:05:44] <jtektool> blahahaa i forgot to turn my machine on by the switch in the back
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[16:35:00] <lair82> Good Afternoon All, I sent an email to the user list this morning, and I checked the archive just a little bit ago, and there is no trace of it, but I see other emails that are fairly recent today. Oh, well, But I do have a question,
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[16:35:53] <lair82> I have never fully wrapped my head around the set/reset coils in classicladder, The set coil latches the NO contact closed, so the reset coil, with the same name should unlatch/reset the original set coil correct?
[16:36:10] <cradek> think of set as "turn on" and reset as "turn off"
[16:37:01] <lair82> Thats what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure, also, can I have multiple instances of each coil for the same output?
[16:37:05] <cradek> are you rick? last emails I see from you are several dated yesterday
[16:37:46] <cradek> sure you can have many (S) or (R) for one output
[16:39:37] <lair82> Yep this is Rick,
[16:41:20] <lair82> This what I get when I click view source on the sent email, Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 97.107.92.52 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.14.0 Return-Path: rick@superiorroll.com Message-Id: <20150529085834.822d4f4daf84ac2dd9e6fcd6d538df07.7732ffe17f.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> From: <rick@superiorroll.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Set/reset c
[16:41:42] <lair82> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 08:58:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-format: tinymce
[16:41:47] <cradek> youch, you shouldn't send html emails to mailing lists
[16:41:58] <cradek> they get changed to plain text and somewhat mangled in the process
[16:42:13] <cradek> but that's not the problem, just an aside
[16:42:30] <cradek> it'll probably show up
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[16:42:41] <cradek> usually they are pretty fast but sometimes sourceforge gets backed up a bit
[16:43:07] <archivist> and possibly your email provider
[16:43:18] <cradek> yes
[16:43:39] <malcom2073> The series of tubes can get clogged
[16:43:43] <cradek> I recommend you just wait a bit
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[16:47:25] <archivist> who makes probe styli with a small taper? I just got my fleabay styli they have a small taper to centralise them
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[16:49:08] <lair82> Ok, no problem,
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[17:00:31] <jthornton> lair82, you can only have one output per coil, however you can have more than one contact that can turn on an output
[17:01:15] <jthornton> I always avoid set and reset instead I prefer a latching circuit
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[17:01:22] <jthornton> have you seen my tutorial on classicladder
[17:04:43] <archivist> erm set/reset are the inputs to an SR latch :)
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[17:09:03] <lair82> jthornton no, I have been over all the stuff in the wiki regarding set/reset specifically, and I am not clear on,
[17:09:13] <_methods> do set and reset act like a 1 rung latching circuit?
[17:09:21] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ladder/index.html
[17:09:39] <jthornton> yes, what are you trying to do?
[17:11:27] <jthornton> I don't even see set and reset in classicladder
[17:11:33] <lair82> Ok, I should be able to make the simpler latching circuit work for what I need.
[17:12:10] <jthornton> I see them now
[17:12:13] <lair82> they are shown as (S) and (R) on the editor pop-up when working in classicladder
[17:17:32] <jthornton> the axis classicladder has a sample using set and reset
[17:18:42] <_methods> looks like an output symbol
[17:20:16] <jthornton> yes seems to be a special output that can exist twice
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[17:34:17] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31HB24K2TML._SY445_.jpg
[17:34:28] <zeeshan> has anyone seen an attachment for this type of light where you can attach a diffuser
[17:35:20] <archivist> most of that type need the opening for cooling
[17:35:58] <zeeshan> they got a heatsink in back
[17:36:02] <zeeshan> and im going to use ccfl
[17:36:18] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JStwbRxpL._SX342_.jpg
[17:36:21] <archivist> I hate overly contrasty lighting too
[17:36:21] <SpeedEvil> CCFL if they get hot _really_ have life drop fast
[17:36:33] <zeeshan> thats ht eback side of em
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[17:37:15] <SpeedEvil> That does not look like a heatsink to me
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[17:37:25] <zeeshan> thsoe fins are a heatsink
[17:37:27] <zeeshan> trust me
[17:37:31] <zeeshan> i have one right in front of me :P
[17:37:35] <SpeedEvil> k
[17:37:58] <SpeedEvil> I don't see why, unless it's specifically a LED light
[17:38:17] <zeeshan> no idea, it gets really hot though! :P
[17:38:32] <archivist> you still have to think of the airflow
[17:38:51] <zeeshan> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/cfl-9w--40w-a-line-a19-soft-white-2700k-3-pack/918015
[17:38:51] <SpeedEvil> you're thinking it's intended to aid in chimney effect over holes?
[17:38:54] <zeeshan> maybe i should pick this up
[17:39:05] <zeeshan> it already has a built in diffuser
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[17:43:46] <zeeshan> Innovative, finned aluminum heat sink keeps toggle switch cool for a long switch life
[17:43:47] <zeeshan> lol
[17:43:48] <zeeshan> what
[17:43:53] <zeeshan> that is what it is for
[17:44:56] <archivist> bulb was so hot it burns the crap plastic switch failing the ul test probably
[17:45:05] <zeeshan> http://www.moffattproducts.com/23-Watt-Magnet-Base-Task-Light-P103.aspx
[17:45:07] <zeeshan> they got this
[17:45:10] <zeeshan> and this is thje one we got:
[17:45:20] <zeeshan> http://www.moffattproducts.com/100-Watt-Magnet-Base-Task-Light-P58.aspx
[17:45:29] <zeeshan> nopt sure why one is 93.70 and the other is like 78
[17:45:43] <zeeshan> why cant you just shove a ccfl bulb in the one we have.
[17:45:47] <zeeshan> i do that all the time!
[17:45:54] <archivist> hehe I get a error Server Error in '/' Application.
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[17:46:40] <archivist> hehe their app has no tax table for uk so crashes
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[17:59:15] <lair82> So, I can have multiple instances of it then?
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[18:06:47] <archivist> looks like it considering the statement The variable letter can be B or Q and the number can be up to a three digit number
[18:13:25] <zeeshan> hey guys
[18:13:38] <zeeshan> 1" shaft, the keyway depth should be .142" from touch off of tool
[18:13:39] <zeeshan> yea?
[18:13:56] <zeeshan> or .125" from when you can see a full circle being cut with your end mill?
[18:14:06] <_methods> depends on key size
[18:14:12] <zeeshan> well thats what machinery handbook says
[18:14:16] <zeeshan> d+m
[18:14:29] <zeeshan> i got tripped out yesterday, i did that, went to fit the key on
[18:15:02] <zeeshan> doesnt fit. measure the "hollow square" and it shows up as .235". remeasure my machined shaft, its correct.
[18:15:27] <zeeshan> but then here's the trippy part. by using a standard spider coupler, key fits on
[18:15:39] <zeeshan> these guys who machined the gear box didnt go keep enough on their side.
[18:16:03] <archivist> file the key down a bit
[18:16:21] <zeeshan> i just machined the keyway deeper than non standard
[18:16:37] <zeeshan> so now there is less engagement on the spider coupling side, but it fits inthe trans okay
[18:16:51] <zeeshan> did it this way because those guys if they snap a key in the future dont have to keep on machining a custom keyway
[18:17:09] <zeeshan> key i mean
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[20:00:34] <jtektool> OK Servos powered up, Now to take care of some axis drift :/. Always something.
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[20:12:09] <jtektool> if my motors go straight into drift upon power up is that the balance?
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[20:59:40] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:15:40] <cradek> jtektool: if you have drift, your position loop is not closed or not (even remotely) tuned
[21:15:54] <cradek> like maybe all gains zero = not closed
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[21:33:57] <furrywolf> yay, my copied manuals got here.
[21:34:02] * furrywolf opens boxes to see what they look like
[21:37:13] <furrywolf> not bad at all. definitely copies, but the quality is excellent.
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[21:38:08] <furrywolf> http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.com/ not a scam, amazingly
[21:40:24] <zeeshan> you use physical books?
[21:40:29] <zeeshan> for servicing? :D
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[21:42:05] <furrywolf> I couldn't find it online
[21:42:06] <furrywolf> I looked for a couple hours
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[21:42:50] <zeeshan> ah
[21:43:17] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, what are you making with the right angle gear box?
[21:43:32] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: not for, was for customer
[21:43:50] <zeeshan> they asked me to make a bracket , cap and keyed shaft for it
[21:43:55] <JT-Shop> ah
[21:44:08] <zeeshan> i cant afford a sexy gear box like that :P
[21:44:21] <zeeshan> http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/60-1-horizontal-shaft-worm-gear-speed-reducer/A-p8494171e
[21:44:24] <zeeshan> thats what i have
[21:45:31] <JT-Shop> what are you doing with that?
[21:45:53] <furrywolf> the quality of this manual is excellent. on par with one straight from honda. but $5.
[21:45:58] <zeeshan> nothing, i used that on my bead roller, was trying to go from 1750 rpm to 29rpm
[21:46:01] <furrywolf> http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.com/honda-eu3000is-eu2600i-generator-part-61zt700-e4-61zt700y-61zt700z-61zt700x-fourth-edition-service-shop-repair-manual/
[21:46:29] <JT-Shop> cool a bead roller
[21:46:57] <JT-Shop> finally talking to the Click
[21:47:13] <furrywolf> I think I like their binding more than I like honda's, even.
[21:47:56] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LEd3D72Xlk
[21:47:56] <zeeshan> wow
[21:48:00] <zeeshan> i found a really old video of mine
[21:48:25] <zeeshan> my camera was even shittier than what i have right now
[21:48:33] <XXCoder> yet handing is bit better
[21:48:39] <XXCoder> im only slightly dizzy
[21:49:01] <Computer_barf> guys guys guys
[21:49:01] <XXCoder> okay had to stop heh
[21:49:07] <Computer_barf> stop working on your cars!
[21:49:14] <Computer_barf> http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/20/automakers-gearheads-car-repairs/
[21:49:17] <XXCoder> I dont work on cars
[21:49:21] <XXCoder> I work on van ;)
[21:49:41] <Computer_barf> ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL
[21:49:46] <zeeshan> lol
[21:49:47] <Jymmm> white and windowless I suspect
[21:49:48] <furrywolf> I fail to see how they can make money at that price. $5! it's nicely bound, with plastic front and leatherette back, shrink-wrapped for shipping, and good quality... they even lost money on the shipping - charged me $6, but the label said it cost $6.14.
[21:49:48] <zeeshan> they can fuck off
[21:49:58] <XXCoder> Computer_barf: yeah the logic is weak as fuck
[21:50:15] <XXCoder> the pc has software and its license there the whole fucking car is software
[21:50:22] <XXCoder> fuck em
[21:50:39] <furrywolf> I don't think I can even print 100 pages for $5, much less bind and pack it, and make a profit.
[21:50:39] <Computer_barf> yeah i know, won't stop them from trying. I imagine when the percentage of people who can work on their own cars drops to a certain level , they'll push for this kind of stuff
[21:50:54] <malcom2073> I remove the ECU from my cars and stick in open source aftermarket ones. See who has the last laugh now
[21:50:54] <zeeshan> Computer_barf: if it really came down to that pint
[21:50:59] <zeeshan> i'd build my own car from scratch
[21:51:02] <zeeshan> fuck these guys :p
[21:51:02] <XXCoder> malcom2073: nice
[21:51:19] <Computer_barf> driving is a privledge! Muh roads!
[21:51:21] <malcom2073> Been thinking about implementing OBD2 so I don't havet o swap back to the OEM one once a year heh
[21:51:30] <XXCoder> zeeshan: why? just remove software module and then use open source somethinf
[21:51:52] <XXCoder> is there cheap odb3 module yet?
[21:52:00] <malcom2073> There isn't OBD3 yet
[21:52:01] <XXCoder> mines obd2 but evenually..
[21:52:17] <XXCoder> oh thought it started this year?
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[21:52:45] <Computer_barf> did you guys see the self parking car video where the car mowed down a group of reporters there to watch it park?
[21:52:53] <malcom2073> I don't believe so, I would've expected to hear a lot more backlash from the anti-monitoring people if so
[21:52:59] <zeeshan> delete obd3 :P
[21:53:20] <malcom2073> Possible they snuck it in though haha
[21:55:15] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yay (manuals)
[21:58:04] <zeeshan> Computer_barf: i read that article fully
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[21:58:17] <zeeshan> its illegal during warranty period i think.
[21:58:24] <zeeshan> and its only for software .
[21:58:25] <furrywolf> funky. for an eu6500is inverter failure, honda wants all repair people to fax them a little form they have in the manual with everything known about the cause and symptoms of the failure, for their records.
[21:58:30] <zeeshan> so changing you brakes, etc is ok
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[22:01:04] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: the only way I can imagine this guy making any profit is if he works in a print ship and sneaks them out the back door... $5! it's about 100 pages nicely printed, bound with a genuine velobind instead of a knockoff, with leatherette back cover and plastic front cover, shrink-wrapped and heat sealed,...
[22:01:19] <SpeedEvil> wow
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[22:02:42] <furrywolf> http://www.service-shop-repair-manual.com/honda-eu3000is-eu2600i-generator-part-61zt700-e4-61zt700y-61zt700z-61zt700x-fourth-edition-service-shop-repair-manual/ if you want one. :)
[22:03:02] <SpeedEvil> Alas, I lack the hardware
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[22:04:32] <furrywolf> it's obviously printed on a professional printer
[22:04:54] <furrywolf> the quality far exceeds a home printer, and the binding was probably punched automatically.
[22:06:14] <XXCoder> heh I miss my old laser printer
[22:06:17] <XXCoder> quality was amazing
[22:06:20] <XXCoder> till it broke
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[22:31:49] <tjb1> JT-Shop: buy my printer :)
[22:33:31] <JT-Shop> I have 3 now
[22:35:08] <XXCoder> HMM
[22:35:13] <XXCoder> I have read article
[22:35:22] <XXCoder> it seems to be concern about "chipping"
[22:35:27] <XXCoder> or modifing base code
[22:36:28] <furrywolf> it seems to be "we want you to be forced to buy only our accessories and have repairs done only at our dealership"
[22:36:38] <XXCoder> for ecu yeah
[22:36:52] <furrywolf> which is something the auto industry has tried to get throughout history and failed, because no one else wants it.
[22:37:51] <furrywolf> I think we should do the opposite, and mandate that all code to safety-critical systems is opened to public inspection. :P
[22:37:57] <malcom2073> +1 for that
[22:38:02] <tjb1> JT-Shop: 3d printer
[22:38:11] <furrywolf> tjb1: I'll give you $5 for it
[22:38:20] <malcom2073> tjb1: I'll give you $5.01
[22:38:26] <malcom2073> shipped.
[22:38:38] <furrywolf> lol
[22:38:40] <JT-Shop> ah, I only have 1/8 of a 3d printer
[22:39:08] <XXCoder> 3d print your auto manual ;)
[22:39:18] <furrywolf> at least you have 1/8... I think ssi's is more like )/oo, since it got curvy and floppy...
[22:39:42] <XXCoder> I got 90% of cnc ruter
[22:39:50] <XXCoder> 10% remaining is assembly lol
[22:39:55] <malcom2073> I got <100% of a *lot* of machines :/
[22:40:11] <furrywolf> I can't afford a lot of machines.
[22:40:13] <JT-Shop> you forgot the 200% getting it to run
[22:40:28] <XXCoder> lol yep JT-Shop
[22:40:37] <malcom2073> furrywolf: You gotta get the machines nobody wants, they go for cheap. Course..... there's a reason nobody wants them
[22:40:43] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1ulygqrdz53uz1/2015-02-04%2019.18.23.jpg?dl=0
[22:40:45] <tjb1> $550
[22:40:47] <tjb1> take it
[22:40:56] <malcom2073> You can get printers for under $300 now
[22:41:01] <furrywolf> malcom2073: I got a Shopmaster that got knocked over with a forklift, does that count? :P
[22:41:08] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Yep!
[22:41:27] <furrywolf> I had to bend the x leadscrew back 15 degrees with the oxytorch... :P
[22:41:36] <malcom2073> lol
[22:41:46] <XXCoder> spider nest wiring heh
[22:42:04] <malcom2073> That wiring is a fire just waiting to happen heh
[22:42:04] <tjb1> XXCoder: Customizable
[22:42:23] <tjb1> malcom2073: most of it is just stepper motor wiring
[22:42:41] <malcom2073> Ah yeah I see the heatbed isn't wired
[22:42:54] <tjb1> actually it is
[22:43:08] <malcom2073> sneaky wires
[22:43:27] <tjb1> you want this nice printer yes
[22:43:49] <malcom2073> Heh
[22:44:09] <furrywolf> my plan for 3d printing would just be to stuff a hotend in my spindle, rather than building a new machine. assuming, that is, I ever think of a use for that type of 3d printer. so far I have not.
[22:44:36] <tjb1> I am printing this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4butzspo3c08p3/2015-05-29%2017_31_48-Autodesk%20Inventor%20Professional%202014%20-%20%5Bmonitormount%5D.jpg?dl=0 on my other printer now
[22:44:37] * JT-Shop goes to make some shrimp etouffee
[22:44:37] <_methods> boston steamer 3d printer
[22:45:04] * _methods heads to JT-Shop's house
[22:45:09] <malcom2073> furrywolf: If you do a lot of design, try, redesign, retry, repeat, it's quite useful
[22:45:20] <JT-Shop> be ready in about an hour
[22:45:44] <furrywolf> malcom2073: assuming your designs can be usefully represented with expensive, weak, rough, porus plastic objects, sure.
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[22:46:18] <malcom2073> furrywolf: plastic is significantly cheaper than aluminum, but like I said.
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[22:46:57] <tjb1> I've fixed ice cream makers, made steering wheel adapters for racing sims, built other printers and I am now making a monitor mount with it
[22:47:15] <tjb1> lens holder for my FLIR camera
[22:47:32] <furrywolf> I only race non-sim things, and there will not be any plastic parts, especially printed ones, in my steering. :P
[22:47:55] <malcom2073> Well aren't you special
[22:47:57] <tjb1> furrywolf: did you see the dropbox link I just posted?
[22:48:07] <malcom2073> :P
[22:48:12] <furrywolf> yes
[22:48:16] <tjb1> Thats $1.10 in material
[22:48:26] <furrywolf> presumably it's something where rough-finished porus weak plastic is acceptable.
[22:48:46] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqyhzgau39r0j95/2015-01-03%2018.43.53.jpg?dl=0
[22:49:20] <[cube]> damn
[22:49:22] <[cube]> nice resolution
[22:49:22] <furrywolf> grrr, fucking dropbox redirects you to https even if you remove the s.
[22:49:46] <XXCoder> furrywolf:
https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AAD1JA9AfOdlhHqG97fLuW8nw7vl81SFUcqMe9aQrRt1FQ/12/3090951/jpeg/32x32/1/1432944000/0/2/2015-01-03%2018.43.53.jpg/CIfUvAEgASACIAMgBCAFIAYgBygB/i1IrtqbUwBZB-92A50W8Tl9SUs6y6tRbctfls7SLXdY?size=1024x768&size_mode=2
[22:49:48] <XXCoder> this works?
[22:50:16] <_methods> how many days did that take to print lol
[22:50:24] <furrywolf> and if you click on the image, expecting to see bigger, instead you see nothing. now I remember some of the reasons I ignore dropbox links.
[22:50:26] <[cube]> what is it?
[22:50:38] <tjb1> part of the printer I am trying to get rid of
[22:50:45] <tjb1> _methods: probably around 2 hours
[22:50:46] <[cube]> ah
[22:50:53] <_methods> layer height?
[22:50:59] <tjb1> .18 I think
[22:51:07] <[cube]> nice
[22:51:12] <_methods> yeah looks good
[22:51:15] <tjb1> the curves are from delta
[22:51:19] <[cube]> i usually dont print anything less than 0.2, takes too long
[22:51:19] <_methods> is that some kinda prusa i3 mod?
[22:51:22] <XXCoder> 0.18 of what? mile?
[22:51:30] <tjb1> yes
[22:51:47] <furrywolf> what causes the circular arcs? cleaned it up with a flycutter?
[22:52:07] <tjb1> because its a delta
[22:52:13] <furrywolf> ah
[22:52:14] <[cube]> thats probably a combination of the model and the slicing software
[22:52:33] <furrywolf> then what causes the horizontal lines? :)
[22:52:37] <XXCoder> tjb1: seriously though .18 of what units?
[22:52:44] <malcom2073> XXCoder: mm
[22:52:44] <_methods> .18mm
[22:52:48] <_methods> jeebus
[22:52:49] <XXCoder> oh nice
[22:52:50] <furrywolf> XXCoder: I'd imagine mm, from the apparant scale of the part
[22:53:01] <[cube]> oh nm
[22:53:03] <tjb1> I dont think any printing software works in inch
[22:53:14] <[cube]> yes mm
[22:53:23] <[cube]> i just printed this a few days ago
[22:53:25] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/aT22rSN.jpg
[22:53:36] <[cube]> printed upside down so no need for support
[22:53:41] <furrywolf> yay, a non-https link
[22:53:46] <furrywolf> without dropbox bloat
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[22:54:08] <XXCoder> I miss old dropbox
[22:54:08] <_methods> .4 layers?
[22:54:19] <[cube]> 0.3 i believe on this one
[22:54:20] <furrywolf> https is way too overused lately
[22:54:35] <[cube]> furry, there was a google algo update not too long ago
[22:54:43] <[cube]> where https is favored for search results
[22:54:51] <[cube]> so everyone is on bandwagon
[22:54:56] <furrywolf> yet another reason not to use google
[22:55:08] <tjb1> what's the problem with https
[22:55:13] <furrywolf> I haven't noticed https being favored... just spam being favored over content...
[22:55:31] <XXCoder> I miss old google
[22:55:35] <furrywolf> tjb1: the extra 5+ seconds it takes for pages to begin loading on non-broadband connections, among other things
[22:55:38] <XXCoder> I used to can dfo magic with google
[22:55:59] <_methods> yeah he's still using aol to connect to the internet
[22:56:01] <furrywolf> just because you have a low-latency connection doesn't mean everyone else does
[22:56:11] <furrywolf> lots of extra round-trips
[22:56:13] <malcom2073> furrywolf: In his defense, *most* everyone else does
[22:56:19] <malcom2073> I don't :P
[22:56:24] <malcom2073> So I feel your pain of the 5+ extra seconds
[22:56:31] <furrywolf> most? /me googles to check that. :P
[22:56:35] <malcom2073> "Establishing Secure Connection" *and wait*
[22:57:05] <furrywolf> yep
[22:57:06] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Are you defining low-latency as the FCC defines broadband now?
[22:57:07] <XXCoder> nice!
[22:57:07] <malcom2073> :-P
[22:57:10] <XXCoder> http://cantonbecker.com/work/musings/2014/how-to-directly-link-or-embed-dropbox-images/
[22:57:10] <[cube]> i was using a line of sight radio connection in my rural area, fast downloads but unsuable latency
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[22:57:20] <XXCoder> furrywolf: check this out, it allows you to see image direct
[22:57:21] <[cube]> as soon as dsl became available, swapped it out
[22:57:24] * furrywolf has no idea how the fcc defines broadband
[22:57:30] <malcom2073> 25mbit
[22:57:37] <XXCoder> just add ?raw=1
[22:57:50] <malcom2073> I have 1/10th broadband (Eg: Not high-speed internet)
[22:57:56] <furrywolf> yeah, most >25mbit connections will be low latency, except for some satellite services.
[22:58:25] <XXCoder> furrywolf:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/0H98kAh1sXk0raAWenXAUD0ds0zy9S4pvqGntwl6hQLFd5qcxV10UctgOyrlJ4bY
[22:58:34] <malcom2073> 403
[22:58:36] <XXCoder> thats what I got when I added ?raw=1
[22:58:59] <XXCoder> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqyhzgau39r0j95/2015-01-03 18.43.53.jpg?raw=1
[22:59:06] <furrywolf> wikipedia says only 10% of the world has wired broadband, and even in develped countries it's only 27%. 6% in developing countries.
[22:59:09] <furrywolf> so... most? :P
[22:59:31] <XXCoder> most that companies care about
[22:59:38] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I'd make a nasty political comment about you skewing statistics, but I won't :P
[23:03:10] <furrywolf> in any case, regardless of what percentage of people don't have-low latency connections, https makes websites load painfully slowly.
[23:03:18] <XXCoder> not for me
[23:03:24] <XXCoder> your isp must use https injection
[23:03:28] <furrywolf> even more so when resources (javascript, etc) get fetched over new connections
[23:03:35] <_methods> low bandwidth scum
[23:03:45] <malcom2073> Scurge of the html5 earth!
[23:04:21] <furrywolf> and even more so when that javascript is worthless anti-useful bloat, like most of dropbox's and many other sites...
[23:05:07] <furrywolf> I tried using amex's website last night. they reimplemented SCROLL BARS in javascript. they do not work. speaking of anti-useful javascript...
[23:05:15] <malcom2073> lol
[23:05:23] <malcom2073> You know, I discovered CSS not long ago
[23:05:33] <malcom2073> and realized.... most people who make fancy websites.... aren't any better at it than me
[23:05:38] <malcom2073> they just knew what CSS was before I did
[23:05:50] <malcom2073> I thought there was some skill to it. The skill is the websites that *work*
[23:05:59] <furrywolf> I discovered css a very long time ago. like many tools, it can be used for good or evil. javascript, however, is usually just evil.
[23:07:29] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/css/imgwidget/imgtest.php of all the ways I've abused css, that's still my favorite.
[23:07:58] <malcom2073> NIce
[23:08:08] <malcom2073> You've linked that before I believe, it seems vaugly familiar
[23:08:48] <furrywolf> quite likely. it's my favorite abuse of css that I've written. :)
[23:09:08] <XXCoder> nice work
[23:09:27] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/css/gears/imgmenu3.php gah, I can't remember who in here I wrote that to annoy. XXCoder? zeeshan? someone in here. my memory sucks.
[23:09:42] <malcom2073> Haha
[23:09:44] <malcom2073> I remember that one too
[23:09:47] <malcom2073> You had a flashing one
[23:09:48] <malcom2073> didn't you?
[23:09:55] <XXCoder> I remember it yeah but im sure zeeshan was one
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[23:12:08] <furrywolf> bbl, going to go poke at the generator pile, start putting another eu3000is together. I'm not sure I have all the parts for it, but I think I probably have enough to see if it's worth sourcing others.
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[23:13:17] <furrywolf> it's a weird california model with even more smog equipment than usual, complete with an evap system with charcoal canister, purge lines, etc...
[23:13:22] <furrywolf> sealed gas tank...
[23:14:01] <furrywolf> I don't have the special air filter housing it needs, and I'm not sure I saw a matching carb in the box of carb parts... so it might become a non-smog model.
[23:14:34] <furrywolf> if I can make it put out power, then I'll think about how many model-correct parts I want to find.
[23:15:25] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: you're intending to sell any you don't need I assume?
[23:15:36] <furrywolf> right now it has no head, starter, carb, intake, exhaust, and other important bits.
[23:15:45] <SpeedEvil> So one or two not looking factory isn't an issue I guess
[23:15:54] <furrywolf> dunno. sell or give to friends.
[23:15:55] <SpeedEvil> 'no head' is maybe a little too not factory
[23:16:05] <furrywolf> it's not going to produce power without a head. :)
[23:16:06] <malcom2073> lol
[23:16:23] <furrywolf> fortunately a brand new shiny head is one of the things in the parts boxes the pile came with.
[23:16:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:16:39] <furrywolf> I think I even saw a used-but-reusable head gasket in there too
[23:18:26] <furrywolf> I got a pile of honda generators. an actual pile. I think I can make two eu3000ises work with minimal parts, two eu2000ises work with only a couple parts, and one eu6500is work with a very, very expensive part.
[23:18:37] <furrywolf> plus about 8 boxes of parts
[23:19:05] <furrywolf> so far I have one eu3000is working well... need to take it back apart and adjust the valves, as it has a tick, and I realized I forgot a piece of cowling on the bottom of the engine.
[23:19:52] <furrywolf> I'm going to build a quick stator tester for the 6500 just to confirm it really is the inverter... six nightlight bulbs and some spade terminals.
[23:20:21] <furrywolf> it puts out 250vac 3-phase... so six 120v nightlight bulbs will test it nicely.
[23:22:23] <furrywolf> I have a spare eu3000is stator+flywheel and a spare eu2000i stator+flywheel... I might see if they make good wind generators.
[23:22:43] <malcom2073> Heh, catch a good auction?
[23:22:50] <furrywolf> craigslist
[23:23:05] <malcom2073> Nice
[23:23:18] <furrywolf> repair shop closing a location and dumping their pile of stuff they hadn't gotten to or were pulling parts off.
[23:23:18] <furrywolf> $50
[23:23:25] <malcom2073> Holy hell
[23:23:27] <malcom2073> that's awesome
[23:23:29] <malcom2073> Good find
[23:24:10] <furrywolf> he says he has two eu3000ises and 8 eu2000is behind his house if I want to drive to pick them up, but it's a fair drive from here.
[23:24:19] <furrywolf> I probably will.
[23:24:22] <malcom2073> Do it
[23:24:24] <malcom2073> totally worth it
[23:24:47] <furrywolf> I'll probably sell one of the eu3000ises to pay for the inverter for the eu6500is.
[23:24:59] <furrywolf> $559 is the cheapest I could find one for
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[23:25:16] <malcom2073> Can't make one from something else work?
[23:26:08] <furrywolf> the em5000is and em7000is use a similar inverter, but the part number is different, and the cheapest I could find one of those for was $529... probably worth the extra $30 to make sure it really is compatable, not just similar.
[23:26:16] <malcom2073> Nah I mean from another brand
[23:26:27] <furrywolf> no
[23:27:36] <furrywolf> these generators are more like working on a small car than a generator. the inverter talks a proprietary bus protocol with the generator and engine control module, which then goes to the display and onboard diagnostics... it even stores freezeframe data of all the operating parameters every time it sets a diagnostic code...
[23:28:29] <malcom2073> Ah lame heh
[23:29:06] <furrywolf> the latest one, the eu7000is, is even fuel injected. the ones I have are more like '80s/'90s cars, where they stuck a bunch of stuff onto a carb. :)
[23:29:25] <furrywolf> the eu6500is carb has more wires going to it than my subaru carb...
[23:29:40] <XXCoder> fuel injected = can be adopted for other fuels
[23:29:57] <malcom2073> heh
[23:30:06] <furrywolf> carb = can be adapted for other fuels
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[23:30:24] <furrywolf> unscrew main jet, screw in appropriate jet. :P
[23:30:33] <malcom2073> good ol days
[23:30:49] <XXCoder> heh
[23:31:12] <furrywolf> and the smog system on this one looks like a car too, with the complete evap setup...
[23:31:20] <furrywolf> I'm not sure how many parts it's missing.
[23:32:34] <furrywolf> http://cdn.boats.net/diagram/honda/14ZT70/ILLUST/ZT74F/1410.png part of them
[23:33:51] <furrywolf> I'm going to worry about making it run before I make it have a smog system. installing a head is the first step. :P
[23:34:36] <furrywolf> there's a half dozen used heads in the parts boxes, but they're all crap. I don't think any of them have valves. there's also one brand new head, with new valves and everything, which I'll use.
[23:34:40] <furrywolf> bbl
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