#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-05-25

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[00:00:28] <furrywolf> note that a valve plate is a trivial component that works great for most uses, while poppet valves will need about 50 times the parts and substantial precision machine work...
[00:01:33] <furrywolf> especially since they have to be balanced poppets
[00:02:41] <andypugh> FinboySlick: I use HSM for Inventor a bot
[00:02:44] <andypugh> (bit_
[00:02:48] <andypugh> (bit)
[00:03:17] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yeah.
[00:03:30] <andypugh> furrywolf: Poppets are very forgiving, though. They wear, they still work.
[00:03:36] <SpeedEvil> If you start with the assumption that a complex machined part, and a billet are the same cost, things change lots
[00:03:41] <furrywolf> the actual operation of my design is a bog-standard variable displacement axial piston design... just with every single point of sliding friction eliminated.
[00:04:25] <andypugh> furrywolf: Have you seen the Neander engine? It looks cool. I think it’s stupid
[00:04:45] <FinboySlick> andypugh: I'm trying to get rid of useless moves. It seems it really likes to ramp up in air where a previous operation already removed stock.
[00:05:08] <andypugh> FinboySlick: That’s an option somewhere
[00:05:39] <FinboySlick> It also always wants to retract out of the part where it could stay in a pocket when it has a sub-pocket to machine.
[00:05:44] <andypugh> (Anf FWIW HSM is the only CAM package I have used which _doesn’t_ always retract to safe height
[00:05:56] <furrywolf> andypugh: I'm not sure that's a substantial improvement over a traditional engine.
[00:06:25] <andypugh> furrywolf: On the contrary, it is much more difficult to make, and worse
[00:06:26] <furrywolf> they're cancelling horizontal forces by vastly increasing vertical forces...
[00:07:14] <andypugh> furrywolf: Worse than that, the piston is doubly-constrained, so what if the cylinder and con-rods disagree about the piston path?
[00:07:32] <furrywolf> then the piston tilts and wears on the cylinder
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[00:08:03] <furrywolf> the most interesting part, based on my quick mental imaging of how it works, is the upstroke and downstroke have different speed profiles?
[00:08:04] <SpeedEvil> Worst case, you'll learn a lot about how to machine stuff and not make a pump.
[00:08:09] <andypugh> On a normal engine you can move the crankshaft an inch or so in any direction (except up) and nothing particularly bad happens.
[00:08:35] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Hmmm. OK, think of a counter-bored through hole in a block of a material. I 2D pocket the counter-bore, then 'bore' the hole itself. It will ramp into the counterbore then clear it, retract, ramp the height of the counterbore again (milling air), retract, then bore the actual material.
[00:09:04] <andypugh> furrywolf: Yes, Neander is very desaxe, but phasing the crank gears to the big-end journals looks horrible.
[00:09:38] <furrywolf> it's subjecting the piston assembley to some very odd velocity changes that are different going both up and down... this might result in improved efficiency, or it might not. I'm not sure. it's odd.
[00:09:52] <andypugh> FinboySlick: HSM express, pro, or the other one?
[00:10:05] <furrywolf> I want to see a graph of the piston motion. :P
[00:10:06] <FinboySlick> andypugh: 'works'. I think it's the 2012 version.
[00:10:17] <FinboySlick> There was no express back then.
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[00:10:27] <FinboySlick> And it's before they were bought by autodesk.
[00:11:29] <furrywolf> andypugh: can you find a graph of the piston height? I want to see one. it's not sinusoidal nor symmetric.
[00:11:52] <furrywolf> I'm not finding one with a quick googling.
[00:12:22] <andypugh> I may be getting confused. In Inventor and HSM Pro 2015 you can tell it to inherit the material from the previous operation, and the retracts are very minimal.
[00:13:09] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Oddly enough, I remember something like that too but I dug for it and couldn't find it. Do you remember what it's called?
[00:13:48] <andypugh> Just to prove it, this is a HSMPro toolpath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmNM3qjoeM
[00:14:49] <furrywolf> my subies have boxer engines... they have all of the advantages they claim of their engine, without sucking. :)
[00:15:22] <andypugh> I only rode in a Scooby once. It blew up.
[00:15:42] <furrywolf> what did you do to it?
[00:16:06] <andypugh> I was a passenger.
[00:16:18] <furrywolf> what did the driver do to it? :P
[00:16:21] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Damn, Inventor improved on their display since I last used it. That part looks smooth as a baby's buttock.
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[00:16:55] <andypugh> But it seems there is a risk of oil starvation through Karusell.
[00:17:01] <furrywolf> all of the blown-up subies I've seen have been due to abuse... and they can take a good bit of it. someone I know ran one off-road for a half hour with no oil before it threw a rod...
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[00:18:27] <furrywolf> jumped it, bashed the front end down _hard_ on a rock... both broke off the oil filter and smashed the oil pressure switch flat so it shorted... a half hour later he started going "gee, engine sure seems to be rattling a lot...." got a new filter and oil, but it threw a rod about five minutes later.
[00:20:02] <andypugh> This one had the driver saying “there is a heat shield loose and rattling” and me thinking “it soundls like a big end to me, but this is a moder car and they don;t do that, so he is probably right”
[00:20:14] <furrywolf> lol
[00:20:27] <furrywolf> low oil is what makes the big ends fail.
[00:20:53] <furrywolf> and a rattling heat shield and a rod bearing sound completely different.
[00:21:06] <andypugh> Level was right. Nurburgring oil slosh might have been the proble,
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[00:21:34] <furrywolf> they're usually pretty resistant to oil slosh issues...
[00:21:46] <furrywolf> level was right then, but how about some time in the past? heh
[00:22:29] <furrywolf> one of the few problems with subies is just about every one of them leaks oil.
[00:22:49] <furrywolf> usually valve covers
[00:23:07] <andypugh> The owner had had it from new, and is pretty fastidious
[00:23:15] <furrywolf> my old one had an automatic oil change system... every thousand miles I'd add a quart, and it'd drain it for me!
[00:23:39] <andypugh> This happened at <20k miles
[00:23:57] <furrywolf> I put a new engine in that one... old one was getting tired. 400k-ish miles. could have tossed in rings, etc, but decided a new engine was even better.
[00:24:21] <furrywolf> actually, it probably didn't even need rings... most of the oil burning felt like valve seals to me.
[00:24:33] <furrywolf> but now it has twice the horses. :)
[00:25:02] <furrywolf> <20k could have been a defective engine. odd, but entirely possible.
[00:25:40] <furrywolf> and I'm not going to miss the smog carb the old engine had one bit. efi++
[00:25:55] <furrywolf> hopefully subaru replaced it under warranty?
[00:26:12] <andypugh> Yes, and they didn’t have to
[00:26:34] <furrywolf> good :)
[00:27:11] * furrywolf would have been annoyed with subaru if they'd stuck the buyer with replacing that new of an engine unless it was abused
[00:30:37] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep time.
[00:30:56] <andypugh> But bank holiday tomorrow :-)
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[00:31:10] <furrywolf> cyas
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[01:20:05] <XXCoder> yay
[01:20:17] <XXCoder> successfully transferred hexchat settong
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[01:36:51] <alex4nder> wow
[01:37:14] <alex4nder> getting the 7i76E talking with LinuxCNC via PREEMPT_RT was.. really easy
[01:37:27] <alex4nder> thank you to everyone that made that happen
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[01:58:16] <skunkworks> alex4nder: isn't it cool? I have been playing with a 7i80 (ethernet)
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[02:14:14] <zeeshan> whoever decided to store g54 coordinates in a TEXT file over memory
[02:14:17] <zeeshan> is a very very smart person.
[02:14:30] <zeeshan> i was in the middle of machining something and power went out
[02:14:32] <zeeshan> it was 85% done
[02:14:46] <zeeshan> when power came back, rehomed the machine and restarted the program
[02:14:50] <zeeshan> cause the coordinates were saved..
[02:14:51] <zeeshan> :)
[02:14:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[02:15:04] <SpeedEvil> So it just diddn't cut till the end?
[02:15:08] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: So you have good limit/homing switches I guess.
[02:15:37] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: even the cheapo microswitches seem to be repeatable to .0005"
[02:15:51] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: power went out in the middle of the cut
[02:16:04] <SpeedEvil> I mean - on the next runthrough
[02:16:18] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: But you just lost your excuse for building a gigantic UPS.
[02:16:19] <zeeshan> yea it picked up the path it was taking
[02:18:51] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/0hIRD
[02:18:59] <zeeshan> came out pretty sweet!
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[02:24:15] <PetefromTn_> looks sweet man!
[02:25:21] <zeeshan> i didnt blow up a carbide end mill in steel
[02:25:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: have you machined thick 304 stainless?
[02:25:31] <zeeshan> like 1/2"
[02:25:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[02:25:42] <zeeshan> i cant machine it dude..
[02:25:46] <zeeshan> its nothing like on the lathe
[02:25:56] <PetefromTn_> why?
[02:25:58] <zeeshan> it either blows up the carbide end mill (1/2")
[02:26:01] <zeeshan> or dulls it really quick
[02:26:19] <zeeshan> im using 250 sfm, (i tried 180 also), 0.002 ipt
[02:26:34] <zeeshan> 1/2 the diameter of the tool for axial doc
[02:26:38] <zeeshan> and 0.1" radial doc
[02:26:58] <zeeshan> yg1 carbide end mill tialn
[02:27:11] <zeeshan> what works for you?
[02:28:25] <PetefromTn_> don't remember LOL
[02:28:34] <PetefromTn_> but I did use those Yg1's
[02:28:44] <PetefromTn_> its been awhile since I did stainless
[02:29:14] <PetefromTn_> whatever I did was probably the low side of the calculator said to do as I recall
[02:29:48] <furrywolf> alex4nder: I want a 7i76e, just can't afford one.
[02:31:05] <zeeshan> ah
[02:31:15] <zeeshan> do you remember if you were using flood coolant
[02:31:16] <zeeshan> or dry
[02:31:25] <zeeshan> or mist coolant?
[02:33:36] <PetefromTn_> dry as I recall and I would try .0015 IPT or so
[02:33:55] <PetefromTn_> Kinda excited here today LOL
[02:34:05] <PetefromTn_> I just splurged a bit and got a new toy
[02:34:17] <PetefromTn_> Been wanting one of those green egg grills for awhile now
[02:34:20] * furrywolf wants new toys
[02:34:26] <PetefromTn_> Damn things are EXPENSIVE as hell
[02:34:44] <zeeshan> looks fancy
[02:35:06] <furrywolf> I spent the last couple hours tweaking on one of the cheap generators I got... it sorta counts as a new toy. still don't know if it works.
[02:35:10] <PetefromTn_> but I watched some very favorable reviews on youtube of the Chargrill Kamodo grills
[02:35:39] <PetefromTn_> so after looking into it I bought one today
[02:35:53] <PetefromTn_> grilled some corn on the cobb and marinated chicken to try it out...
[02:35:58] <PetefromTn_> Pretty sweet!!
[02:36:22] <furrywolf> my first goal is to get it into a stage where enough parts work to make power, so I can confirm it's worth properly fixing.
[02:36:28] * furrywolf tosses some hot peppers on pete's grill
[02:37:06] <furrywolf> unfortunately, only ripe peppers I have right now are thai hots.
[02:37:13] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOy9rBsTjY Can't wait to try some wood fired pizza on this bad boy..
[02:37:52] <PetefromTn_> They are also really good smokers..
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[02:38:26] <furrywolf> I'm too lazy to grill.
[02:38:40] <furrywolf> too much effort for something you're just going to eat!
[02:39:36] <PetefromTn_> We love grilling outside when the weather is nice.. out by the pool smelling the delicious meats cooking is the cats ass..
[02:39:59] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/joq8bh2.jpg
[02:40:20] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/L8NL72c.jpg
[02:40:43] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/7O7FwsI.jpg
[02:41:02] <PetefromTn_> Damn thing gets real hot with very little charcoal
[02:41:02] <zeeshan> wow pete
[02:41:04] <zeeshan> that looks sweet!
[02:41:13] <zeeshan> how much was it?
[02:41:18] <PetefromTn_> its not a big green egg but it is what I can afford...
[02:41:33] <PetefromTn_> its only like $330.00 US
[02:41:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan that's the one you had to put diagonal to fit right?
[02:41:36] <FinboySlick> I have a bit of a strange homing issue right now.
[02:41:41] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[02:41:58] <FinboySlick> I homed my X Y Z to the corner of my vise.
[02:41:58] <furrywolf> the green looks thick and insulating
[02:42:04] <furrywolf> bbl, back to poking at generators
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[02:42:16] <FinboySlick> if I g0 x0 I go to 0
[02:42:23] <zeeshan> looks like a sweet girl
[02:42:25] <FinboySlick> if I g0 x0, I go to x0
[02:42:26] <zeeshan> grill. :p
[02:42:52] <FinboySlick> if I g0 z1 (to be 1" above the vise), I plunge straight down into the vise and have a heart attack.
[02:42:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think for my meager pennies it will be a lot of fun.
[02:43:04] <norias> hi
[02:43:08] <PetefromTn_> I have wanted to try smoking and making pizzas for a long time
[02:43:26] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: whats the minimum you can grip something in a vise? :p
[02:43:34] <zeeshan> ive been getting aweay with .125
[02:43:38] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can go down to 1/16"
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[02:43:49] <PetefromTn_> if you get those mitee bites you can
[02:44:05] <PetefromTn_> I usually use .125 atop my largest parallel in the kurt
[02:44:07] <norias> mitee bites are great
[02:44:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you mean on the flat?
[02:44:24] <zeeshan> on the vise jaws
[02:44:35] <Tom_itx> horizontal?
[02:44:40] <Tom_itx> it's gonna start tow bow
[02:44:54] <zeeshan> i guess it depends on the part geometry
[02:44:58] <FinboySlick> What would cause g0 (and g1, I checked) moves to go to coordinates that are not matching those on the gui display?
[02:45:13] <Tom_itx> you're pushing your luck going much thinner
[02:45:27] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: make sure you're in the correct mode
[02:45:28] <zeeshan> like absolute..
[02:45:30] <zeeshan> not relative
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[02:45:40] <norias> FinboySlick: perhaps g91
[02:45:43] <norias> or...
[02:45:46] <norias> g42 / 43
[02:45:49] <norias> er.
[02:46:01] <norias> g41 / g42
[02:46:20] <FinboySlick> How would I reset everything to sane defaults? I'm a bit frazzled right now.
[02:46:25] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, small parts you may get by with.. larger ones are gonna flex too much
[02:46:34] <zeeshan> yea Tom_itx
[02:46:43] <Tom_itx> and be noisy as hell
[02:46:45] <PetefromTn_> my wife is marinating a huge batch of wings for Memorial day tomorrow. They are her special formula teriyaki ones and we are making some homemade potatoe salad. I can't wait!!! LOL
[02:47:05] <norias> FinboySlick: I usually just have a "defaults" line in every program
[02:47:07] <norias> like
[02:47:07] <zeeshan> i really like toe clamping things down
[02:47:10] <zeeshan> but usually theyr ein the way :/
[02:47:13] <zeeshan> so you gotta move em
[02:47:18] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:47:19] <norias> G40 G90 G20 G01
[02:47:24] <Tom_itx> but they work good
[02:47:35] <Tom_itx> just add some op stops
[02:48:23] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/5cd73a142768e841ca57c6b6a9fee2c5
[02:48:25] <zeeshan> like this
[02:48:33] <zeeshan> when i contour the outside
[02:48:36] <zeeshan> ill need to move the clamp
[02:48:36] <FinboySlick> norias: I don't have any file loaded though, I just started axis, homed the machine, and prepared my g54 offsets for the file I plan to load afterward.
[02:48:54] <norias> FinboySlick: so... I'd just do that in MDI
[02:49:01] <norias> those commands are like switches
[02:49:14] <norias> and i'll be honest that i'm not super up to speed on linuxcnc
[02:49:25] <norias> but i do it regardless of what controller i'm using
[02:49:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan profile it last, put a strap clamp in the middle for that
[02:49:37] <norias> because you have no clue what state it's in at that point
[02:49:44] <norias> it's just good practice
[02:49:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: but im not going all the way t hrough
[02:49:57] <Tom_itx> ok
[02:50:00] <zeeshan> for the internal contour
[02:50:01] <Tom_itx> i seet hat
[02:50:03] <zeeshan> how will i break it apart
[02:50:09] <zeeshan> im leaving like a .010 skin
[02:50:14] <Tom_itx> holes, id then od
[02:50:24] <Tom_itx> move the strap clamp between the id and od moves
[02:50:32] <Tom_itx> don't leave any on the inside
[02:50:39] <zeeshan> but then there will be a chunkj
[02:50:41] <zeeshan> floating around
[02:50:48] <Tom_itx> take it out
[02:50:50] <zeeshan> trying to shatter my end mill!
[02:50:50] <zeeshan> :P
[02:50:57] <zeeshan> well right towards the end
[02:51:06] <Tom_itx> blast of air will fix that
[02:52:29] <FinboySlick> norias: I had g0 and g20 set, would that explain things?
[02:52:51] <norias> go, those are fine
[02:53:03] <norias> i'd g40, which turns off g41 / g42
[02:53:08] <FinboySlick> G40 and G90 were already set.
[02:53:08] <norias> and i'd g90
[02:53:16] <norias> oh, hmm, ok
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[03:12:29] <alex4nder> FinboySlick: yah, getting the 7i76e meant I had a bunch of options as far as machines
[03:12:55] <alex4nder> er furrywolf
[03:18:19] <norias> is it bad that i'm tempted to buy an Army dress uniform
[03:18:25] <norias> to wear to formal functions?
[03:18:38] <norias> (given that I am authorized to so)
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[03:37:01] <FinboySlick> norias: Thanks btw, everything seems back to normal now.
[03:37:09] <FinboySlick> Well, except for a dent in my vise.
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[03:56:51] <norias> heh
[03:56:59] <norias> good to know
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[04:01:53] <XXCoder> heys
[04:02:46] <norias> hey
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[04:18:20] <furrywolf> well, generator to a state where it might run, minus adding oil. will add oil tomorrow and see what happens. I've fixed/worked around the problems I know, so now it's time to find the problems I don't know. yay.
[04:23:22] <furrywolf> looking at the other two eu3000ises, one might be a canidate for repair, as the head is off, but there's a new head included with it. the other also has the head off, and is missing the inverter, so likely isn't going back together.
[04:25:43] <furrywolf> the one with no inverter will probably be the parts donor for the remaining bits of the other two
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[04:29:18] <furrywolf> FN port 3, A -11.8A (enabled), B 0.0A (disabled), C 0.0A (disabled), batt 19.6V, btemp 99.0C, SOC 41.0%, flags 0x08, extra id 3, data 0.00.
[04:29:33] <furrywolf> damnit. speaking of generators, my batteries are sucking to where I might need to run one of them.
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[04:37:03] <XXCoder> hmm cant recall what "cant send to channel" means
[04:37:13] <XXCoder> I cant ask question in linux channel
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[04:42:43] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, you aren't registered
[04:42:49] <toastyde1th> or aren't logged in
[04:42:56] <XXCoder> im registered
[04:42:57] <toastyde1th> many channels on freenode require an auth'ed account
[04:43:04] <XXCoder> otherwise I would get the boot
[04:43:17] <toastyde1th> i don't see you as logged in on whois
[04:43:26] <toastyde1th> *shrug*
[04:45:02] <XXCoder> maybe something broke on move
[04:45:04] <XXCoder> checking
[04:46:27] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: yea fixed now
[04:46:30] <XXCoder> thanks
[04:46:34] <toastyde1th> np
[04:47:12] <XXCoder> can you do cctp version on me?
[04:47:27] <toastyde1th> -XXCoder- VERSION mIRC 1.91 (8 bit) for Microsoft Windows For WorkGroups 3.11
[04:47:37] <XXCoder> it is what it should be. thanks
[04:48:29] <toastyde1th> np!
[04:48:45] <XXCoder> heh I love my ctcp version
[04:49:02] <XXCoder> I don't think there was ever a 8 bit irc client lol
[04:50:20] <toastyde1th> hahaha
[04:50:23] <toastyde1th> i was a bit like.. "wut"
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[04:52:33] <XXCoder> heh
[04:52:57] <furrywolf> I don't think anyone will believe Mardam-Bey is capable of writing anything that'd run on an 8-bit chip. :P
[04:53:00] <XXCoder> its surpise if anyone ever checks version
[04:53:15] <XXCoder> happened one
[04:53:18] <XXCoder> *once so far
[04:55:28] <furrywolf> most people don't care
[04:55:49] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:56:05] <XXCoder> highest chance is someone checking for exploitable version
[04:58:09] <RyanS> someone mentioned in here they used to be a 'CAD jokey', is that person here?
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[05:01:35] <furrywolf> the primary exploits I've seen with mirc focus on the operator. :)
[05:10:31] <XXCoder> lol likely
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[06:45:43] <Crom> I've never been accused of being a CAD jockey
[06:46:01] <Crom> so id ain't me
[06:46:14] <Crom> s/id/it/
[06:46:59] <Crom> POS tinkerbot DMX shield
[06:48:35] <Crom> 5pin XLR connector, pins aren't marked on the board, haven't found the pinout of the board, my multimeter is 40 miles away, and all my equipment uses 3 pin XLR DMX
[06:50:59] <Crom> DOH! I have a 5v source and resistors and LEDS.. time to build a continuity winky
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[06:51:43] <Crom> tomorrow morning
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[06:59:37] <Deejay> moin
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[08:51:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/c4FHOBs.jpg
[08:51:55] <zeeshan> moarr
[08:52:06] <zeeshan> these parts make me realize i need a waterjet
[08:52:07] <zeeshan> :]
[08:55:02] <XXCoder> buy one then heh
[08:55:04] <XXCoder> or build one
[08:55:12] <XXCoder> pumps hard one lol\
[08:55:12] <zeeshan> too much $
[08:59:07] <XXCoder> expensive I bet yeah
[08:59:16] <XXCoder> its handy once has it
[08:59:22] <XXCoder> it can cut damn near anything
[08:59:26] <XXCoder> from steel to foam
[08:59:31] <zeeshan> yes
[08:59:37] <XXCoder> you cant machine soft foam on cnc mill
[09:02:24] <XXCoder> hmm http://hackaday.com/2014/01/14/hydro-the-low-cost-waterjet-cutter/
[09:03:00] <zeeshan> i might just use my plasma cutter
[09:03:04] <zeeshan> and attach it to xy table
[09:03:06] <XXCoder> its something you can buy part a time. small though
[09:04:26] <XXCoder> hell you has a machine. you can build parts of it yourself.
[09:04:45] <XXCoder> the pump, expecially if you want fast and powerful, probably would be 90% of cost
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[10:26:10] <cnc1> hallo to all
[10:26:41] <cnc1> use some one Mesa 7i77
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[11:24:44] <witnit> hmm?
[11:24:50] <witnit> hello cnc1
[11:25:08] <cnc1> hi
[11:25:33] <witnit> i have had a 7i77 running for a few years now
[11:25:51] <witnit> working gud :)
[11:29:03] <cnc1> nice
[11:29:34] <cnc1> and i begin
[11:30:00] <cnc1> learn all
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[11:31:42] <cnc1> in moment i dont andestand cofig spindle
[11:33:07] <cnc1> no signal on TB5
[11:35:00] <cnc1> the X Y Z work
[11:35:24] <cnc1> but not spindle
[11:38:12] <cnc1> can you show your hal ini
[11:38:38] <cnc1> please
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[11:44:59] <witnit> most of your issues should be solvable here i think
[11:45:01] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/28276-mesa-5i25-7i77-0-10v-spindle-output-dual-spindles
[11:45:26] <witnit> it says dual spindles... but the code is all there just take what you need
[11:46:20] <witnit> i dont use spindle on my 7i77, just XYZA
[11:48:17] <witnit> i want this but its too far away http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/5040801035.html
[11:53:49] <cnc1> ok
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[12:31:27] <cnc1> witnit
[12:31:30] <cnc1> http://imagebin.ca/v/22wUUsxUInak
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[13:46:06] <Timbo> presumably you're able to do programmable macro type stuff like this, in emc? http://www.instructables.com/id/Mach3-Zero-Probe-Tool/
[13:48:28] <FinboySlick> Timbo: That's relatively trivial to do on linuxcnc as far as I know but I'm not sure how 'exact' that method is going to be.
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[14:23:19] <witnit> timbo, yesh probe is built in
[14:23:42] <witnit> you could write your own also
[14:23:58] <witnit> cnc1 looks like a fun project!
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[14:35:17] <witnit> cnc1 looks like a fun project you got goin on!
[14:35:43] <cnc1> yes
[14:35:51] <witnit> getting anywhere on that spindle?
[14:36:00] <cnc1> no
[14:36:09] <witnit> post your .hal and .inf
[14:36:29] <cnc1> just a moment
[14:36:33] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/
[14:36:45] <witnit> thats a nice easy on the viewer place to paste
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[14:47:20] <cnc1> https://gist.github.com/
[14:48:39] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you rigid tap those holes?
[14:48:42] <cnc11> witnit:
[14:48:51] <cnc11> i am
[14:48:54] <cnc11> gist:7cfe2c756a0687ce7884
[14:50:05] <cnc11> https://gist.github.com/04f162806795ba537a06.git
[14:50:26] <cnc11> https://gist.github.com/7cfe2c756a0687ce7884.git
[14:54:02] <witnit> what is your error/problem?
[14:56:48] <cnc11> on TB5 DRV3 no signal
[14:58:44] <cnc11> if i give separate extern 1.3 V on spindle = work
[14:59:18] <cnc11> then spindle driver is ok
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[15:01:01] <cnc11> measure the DRV3 nothing
[15:04:36] <cnc11> have some proposal
[15:05:20] <witnit> right, probably something in the .hal i dont see
[15:05:21] <cnc11> idea
[15:05:39] <witnit> someone will probably have an answer soon
[15:06:26] <witnit> what does drv5 output?
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[15:08:14] <cnc11> i use only 0 1 2 3 DRV
[15:09:12] <cnc11> they are give -10V to +10V
[15:10:17] <cnc11> and i wish the DRV3 do it but will not
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[15:16:22] <witnit> does this sound familiar~ "First, if you have a 7I77, analog channel 5 is designed for spindle use,
[15:16:22] <witnit> no other channel is suitable since only analog channel 5 can be enabled/disabled
[15:16:22] <witnit> independently."
[15:17:00] <witnit> maybe that is out of context
[15:17:13] <witnit> but i never used spindle option, sounds relavent though
[15:17:29] <witnit> maybe push it over to 5 and try again?
[15:18:25] <cnc11> drv5
[15:19:04] <witnit> page 20 of 7i77 manual http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i77man.pdf
[15:19:07] <Tom_itx> does the analog channel have power?
[15:20:13] <cnc11> the drv3
[15:20:13] <witnit> well page 14 of the manual page 20 according to pdf viewer
[15:20:54] <witnit> "Six uncommitted OPTO coupler outputs are available
[15:20:54] <witnit> for drive enable. Five of these
[15:20:54] <witnit> outputs are (ENA0 through ENA4) are switched in com
[15:20:54] <witnit> mon while ENA5 can be
[15:20:54] <witnit> independently switched for spindle applications."
[15:23:53] <cnc11> drv5 another
[15:29:15] <cnc11> no nothing
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[15:29:56] <FinboySlick> Speaking of touch-off earlier, anyone knows who makes those: http://assets.machine-dro.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/8/image/56969bb131e7f6de9ec78c697c28dd3e/i/m/imgp7249.jpg ?
[15:30:12] <FinboySlick> HAha, let me read what's on the dial first ;)
[15:31:06] <_methods> it says machine-dro.com.uk or something like that
[15:31:14] <_methods> but those are chinese tool touch off blocks
[15:31:41] <_methods> pretty sure you can pick them up on ebay for cheap
[15:31:45] <FinboySlick> I have one of those: http://www.machine-dro.co.uk/edge-technology-pro-touch-off-z-axis-setting-gauge.html but it really is too big for my machine.
[15:32:04] <FinboySlick> I'd like to get the smallest one possible.
[15:32:37] <_methods> make your own with an indicator
[15:32:45] <_methods> looks pretty simple
[15:34:35] <Tom_itx> is that a 1" block?
[15:34:54] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT-40-Magnetic-Z-Axis-Tool-Pre-Setter-Reapability-0004-/251951054155?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[15:35:13] <_methods> that one is 2"
[15:36:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Z-Axis-50-0-005mm-Setter-with-Table-Magnetic-Determinator-Pre-setter-Tool-fr-CNC/151658483092?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D3b58edd4d487477497437efcb787fafe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251951054155&rt=nc
[15:36:32] <Tom_itx> that one is prettier
[15:37:03] <Tom_itx> also mm
[15:37:53] <FinboySlick> 5cm is better, but half that would be great (it'd take a tiny indicator though).
[15:38:39] <Tom_itx> the first one must only work with CAT40
[15:38:41] <Tom_itx> :)
[15:38:46] <_methods> yeah lol
[15:38:51] <_methods> not sure why they put cat40 in there
[15:39:11] <FinboySlick> Chinese marketing is its own art.
[15:39:35] <_methods> well if you know your tools will always be fairly close to the same length you could use a dial test mounted out to the side or something like that
[15:39:51] <Tom_itx> sometimes i think their brain was scrambled with an egg beater
[15:39:52] <_methods> but you'll have a fairly limited range with that
[15:40:09] <witnit> cnc1 http://www.grmolds.com/7i77.hal
[15:40:13] <witnit> maybe that will help?
[15:41:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/caliper.jpg
[15:41:16] <Tom_itx> i just use that 1" gage block
[15:41:34] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Well, what little I've studied of the language suggest that they organize their thoughts differently. Even if you have the actual vocabulary, the way they string the words together is somewhat difficult for our western brains to process.
[15:42:12] <FinboySlick> It's expressive and poetic, mind you.
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[15:47:23] <cnc11> witnit why vfd scale 5000
[15:47:34] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: You use the gage block to touch-off?
[15:47:57] <witnit> no idea, i havent used spindle options before, just hoping you can piece something together with their .hal
[15:49:48] <cnc11> your machine have 4 axis
[15:50:13] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick yes
[15:50:27] <Tom_itx> well, i slide it under as i increment down
[15:50:36] <_methods> safer to increment up
[15:50:55] <Tom_itx> _methods too much z slop
[15:51:03] <_methods> ahh
[15:51:19] <_methods> well that sux
[15:51:37] <Tom_itx> that's sherline
[15:51:41] <FinboySlick> I know they're pretty hard but won't you end up scratching it with the tool?
[15:51:50] <Tom_itx> a little yes
[15:51:55] <Tom_itx> i got it just for that
[15:52:01] <Tom_itx> and checking the calipers
[15:52:25] <_methods> i'm in the same boat with my little pos mill
[15:52:27] <cnc11> witnit your machine have 4 axis
[15:52:38] <Tom_itx> i got a .1" one too but haven't used it
[15:52:42] <_methods> the z slop isn't bad until i start cutting stuff
[15:52:53] <_methods> then the whole column flexes and stuff on steel
[15:52:59] <witnit> i use X and A
[15:53:00] <_methods> seems to do pretty good in alum
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[15:53:29] <Tom_itx> time to mow the soggy yard before it rains again
[15:53:33] <_methods> i've been holding at +/- .001" on x and y
[15:53:40] <_methods> so i can't bitch
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[15:54:05] <_methods> for the $500 POS that it is
[15:54:29] <_methods> the Z column is definitely going to have to be beefed up though
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[16:18:00] <alex4nder> _methods: what type of mill?
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[16:26:01] <_methods> sx2
[16:27:15] <_methods> hehe i blew up the gears after cutting steel like 3 times
[16:27:22] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: no
[16:27:35] <zeeshan> i need to try rigid tapping on the mill
[16:27:43] <zeeshan> just dont have patience to go through setting up test blocks
[16:34:28] <zeeshan> one day ill come across a job that needs like 40 tapped holes and ill set it up :D
[16:40:42] <archivist> waiting for "that job" can take years
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[16:41:40] <cnc11> witnit it work
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[16:54:45] <zeeshan> archivist: good
[16:54:46] <zeeshan> :-)
[16:55:01] <zeeshan> i hooked up my air compressor last night after procastinating for 5 months
[16:55:09] <zeeshan> shoulda done it earlier, makes machining so much easier.
[16:55:13] <zeeshan> just a bit of air blast at 10 psi
[16:55:14] <zeeshan> good enuf
[16:55:45] <archivist> I waited for one pair of gears to cnc the hob :)
[16:55:59] <zeeshan> haha
[16:56:32] <archivist> now I am waiting for moooooore jobs...any?
[16:57:43] <archivist> we had the local transport festival in the village today, got a sniff of a speedo gear job
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[17:00:53] <furrywolf> got the eu3000is running... oil consumption is high and compression is low, but it makes power.
[17:01:21] <furrywolf> although I should do another compression test now that it's been running... cylinder was bone dry for the first one. 60psi.
[17:02:01] <furrywolf> carb still sucks despite my cleaning it, but I think I have 5-8 of them to pick from. lol
[17:02:25] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yay
[17:02:27] <furrywolf> the one on it I think was worse than all the ones in the spare parts box.
[17:02:54] <furrywolf> I had to run through the jets with a wire since they were all plugged so solid you couldn't get carb cleaner through them...
[17:03:45] <furrywolf> also, thanks to california, I had to use a hacksaw to clean the idle jets.
[17:03:56] <SpeedEvil> ?
[17:04:19] <archivist> sealed
[17:04:22] <furrywolf> ah, you don't live in california. :P
[17:04:33] <furrywolf> california requires the mixture screws on carbs to be non-adjustable.
[17:04:45] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:04:54] <SpeedEvil> Which is quite reasonable.
[17:04:57] <furrywolf> to keep evil homeowners bent on destroying the planet from turning the mixture up slightly so their engines run correctly.
[17:05:00] <SpeedEvil> If engines were 100% reliable
[17:05:11] <zeeshan> where can i buy glass rod
[17:05:20] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: ebay, alibaba
[17:05:23] <zeeshan> locally
[17:05:28] <SpeedEvil> Do you want more than one ton?
[17:05:38] <SpeedEvil> Diameter, length?
[17:05:44] <zeeshan> hmm..
[17:05:52] <zeeshan> im trying to experiment making glass light tubes
[17:06:00] <furrywolf> honda's way of complying with california is swaged-on stops on the screw heads, and a weak neck in the middle of the screw so it snaps off if you try removing it.
[17:06:03] <zeeshan> maybe 3/4" would be best?
[17:06:05] <zeeshan> so it doesnt break as easy
[17:06:07] <furrywolf> my solution is to hacksaw the stop back round. :P
[17:06:13] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: why are you wanting rod, not tube?
[17:06:31] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: was thinking a glass rod will be easier to work with
[17:06:36] <furrywolf> most large areas have places that sell glass supplies... there's several here that do.
[17:06:37] <zeeshan> i plan to heat it up and bend it
[17:06:53] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: how does a rod make light>?
[17:06:59] <zeeshan> lemme show you what i mtrying to do
[17:07:00] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: bending glass tube isn't that bad
[17:07:09] <SpeedEvil> if you want shallow bends
[17:07:18] <furrywolf> they're used for making decorations, marbles, "tobacco accessories",...
[17:07:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/5FWCz4k.jpg real life
[17:07:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/o5acB56.png
[17:07:30] <zeeshan> computer
[17:07:45] <zeeshan> you see the angles closest to the door?
[17:07:46] <furrywolf> and high-end dildos!
[17:07:57] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you want them as light guides?
[17:08:00] <zeeshan> i want to loop a glass rod in a rectangular format there
[17:08:07] <SpeedEvil> glass dildos have come crashing down recently.
[17:08:08] <zeeshan> yes, sorry calling it the wrong thing
[17:08:12] <zeeshan> light guides
[17:08:20] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: eh?
[17:08:24] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: never mind.
[17:08:35] <zeeshan> it would exit from the top opening (where i will make a flange)
[17:08:37] <furrywolf> light pipes
[17:08:37] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: a simple rod may not work well as a light guide
[17:08:42] <zeeshan> (with the correct bulkhead)
[17:08:44] <archivist> zeeshan, acrylic might be easier to work with
[17:08:46] <furrywolf> rods work find as light pipes
[17:08:48] <SpeedEvil> if bent, especially
[17:08:54] <furrywolf> acrylic will melt at his temperatures
[17:08:58] <SpeedEvil> I meant if bent
[17:09:08] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: i wont find out till i try it right?
[17:09:22] <furrywolf> do you need an actual light guide, or can you just aim light in with a focusing lens?
[17:09:26] <zeeshan> there isn't solid stuff online
[17:09:35] <SpeedEvil> I'd just spot-weld a couple of halogen capsule bulbs in
[17:09:35] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i want the easiest method possible
[17:09:39] <zeeshan> i dont have a lot of time to spend on this
[17:09:43] <zeeshan> i wanna be done with it by the end of this week
[17:09:49] <zeeshan> (including getting all parts)
[17:09:49] <SpeedEvil> stainless bolts are likely to be fine too
[17:10:02] <zeeshan> i dont wanna add lights inside you know why?
[17:10:05] <zeeshan> they are heat sources
[17:10:08] <furrywolf> easiest is just to aim light through a window. lol
[17:10:17] <furrywolf> LED lights.
[17:10:19] <furrywolf> (outside)
[17:10:21] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: ah - you diddn't say that was an issue before
[17:10:26] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you havent seen !
[17:10:30] <SpeedEvil> 'it's cooled with liquid nitrogen'
[17:10:30] <zeeshan> theres limited space
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[17:10:57] <furrywolf> check your local phonebook for glassblowing supplies.
[17:11:14] <furrywolf> you could also try neon sign shops, but they'll have tube, not solid.
[17:11:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Lqv4vFV.jpg
[17:11:49] <zeeshan> i dont even have the thermal camera in between those two cameras right now
[17:11:50] <furrywolf> what about a mirror-polished stainless tube?
[17:11:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[17:11:56] <zeeshan> very limited space
[17:12:26] <zeeshan> also i tried shiing that light from the outside, you really trip the cameras
[17:12:31] <furrywolf> or, if you can find it, chromed tube... but the inside quality of the plating may be questionable.
[17:12:36] <zeeshan> what i wanan do is turn off the lights in the lab
[17:12:41] <zeeshan> and just have a light inside, it seems to work really well.
[17:13:44] <furrywolf> how about off-the-shelf fiber optic lights?
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[17:13:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i tried looking for some
[17:14:08] <zeeshan> most of them cant handle the temps cause of their outer pvc layer
[17:14:16] <furrywolf> ah
[17:14:17] <zeeshan> some come in stainless sheathing but long ass lead time
[17:14:28] <furrywolf> in that case, phonebook for glassblowing supplies. :)
[17:14:33] <zeeshan> i really feel like a glowing glass rod might do it
[17:14:35] <zeeshan> if i sand it..
[17:14:35] <furrywolf> where abouts are you again?
[17:14:39] <zeeshan> hamilton ,ontario
[17:15:33] <furrywolf> how about McMaster University Glassblowing Shop?
[17:15:41] <zeeshan> rofl
[17:15:48] <furrywolf> :P
[17:18:38] <furrywolf> wow, there's a surprising number of zeeshans at mcmaster
[17:20:12] <zeeshan> lol
[17:20:18] <furrywolf> munir, wadiwala, tanveer, ahmed, haqqee,...
[17:20:26] <zeeshan> i'm one of them :-)
[17:20:37] * furrywolf has met exactly zero zeeshans, so figured it was an odd name... but apparantly it's quite popular.
[17:20:50] <furrywolf> and have you tried your own university glassblowing shop yet? :P
[17:21:06] <furrywolf> it sounds like they'd even make it for you
[17:21:17] <zeeshan> just called edm
[17:21:19] <zeeshan> closed down last year
[17:21:23] <zeeshan> they out source to another university now
[17:21:36] <furrywolf> ah, so the lead time is probably too high
[17:21:57] <zeeshan> im thinking, maybe i can just ask a glass work type of shop to do it for me
[17:22:00] <zeeshan> rather than doing it myself
[17:22:08] <zeeshan> but im thinking before i do that
[17:22:15] <zeeshan> i should test if this concept will work with just acrylic
[17:22:20] <furrywolf> a neon sign shop will do it quickly and cheaply, but you'll get tube, not solid.
[17:22:41] <furrywolf> neon shops are surprisingly cheap, and they know their stuff... a few precise bends will take them a few minutes tops.
[17:22:59] <zeeshan> bend it into the shape i want, and , sand the circumference of the rod and see if it lights up
[17:23:01] <furrywolf> think about how many careful bends it takes to make a large display...
[17:23:17] <zeeshan> wait, can you use neon lights in high temp? :d
[17:23:30] <furrywolf> yes
[17:23:45] <zeeshan> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11GwdFVXXXXXcaXXXq6xXFXXXg/220770075/HTB11GwdFVXXXXXcaXXXq6xXFXXXg.jpg
[17:23:48] <zeeshan> i just want this!!
[17:23:50] <zeeshan> out of glass!!
[17:23:53] <furrywolf> but they're very monochromatic, unless you get the phosphor-filled kind, and I suspect they'd fry at temps.
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[17:24:22] <zeeshan> i have another worry about glass
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[17:24:29] <zeeshan> it usually doesnt like being at two different temperatures
[17:24:34] <zeeshan> that is when it blows up from thermal stress
[17:24:49] <zeeshan> like the portion of the glass that will be at 230C for example and another portion at room temp
[17:24:55] <zeeshan> or when i change temperatures
[17:25:00] <zeeshan> maybe glass rod isn't the best idea.
[17:25:03] <furrywolf> as long as there's an even thermal gradiant, it's fine. it's sudden changes and high gradients it doesn't like.
[17:25:04] <archivist> use glasss designed for the job pyrex
[17:25:05] <furrywolf> use borosilicate
[17:25:36] <furrywolf> again, call your local glassblowing, marble, "tobbacco accessory", dildo, or sign shop. :P
[17:25:56] <zeeshan> how about a mirror like you were saying
[17:26:03] <zeeshan> shine a light from the top opening
[17:26:11] <furrywolf> http://www.kellyloweglass.com/ call her and ask where she gets her supplies from
[17:27:06] <furrywolf> you can get focused lights cheaply... mr16 halogens.
[17:27:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[17:27:51] <zeeshan> if you look closely.. since im shining the light from the top, there is a shadow on the bottom of the hemisphere
[17:28:04] <furrywolf> so shine one from the bottom too
[17:28:07] <zeeshan> and all around the periphery
[17:28:15] <zeeshan> it really needs to come like this:
[17:28:25] <furrywolf> how far are you from oakville? (I could check a map, but my internet connection is slow...)
[17:28:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/k4y2Sog.png
[17:28:32] <zeeshan> yellow lines
[17:28:41] <zeeshan> ignore red
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[17:29:23] <zeeshan> so i could place a mirror there..
[17:29:28] <zeeshan> on both those corners..
[17:29:28] <furrywolf> do you have room for a pair of single-ended halogen lamps? the ones that are about 7/16" diameter and 5" long.
[17:29:34] <zeeshan> and shine light from top opening
[17:29:35] <furrywolf> double-ended, I mean
[17:29:42] <furrywolf> oh, you don't want the heat. nevermind.
[17:29:44] * furrywolf forgot
[17:29:58] <zeeshan> those are too big, it'd have to be like car halogens
[17:30:01] <zeeshan> 12v
[17:30:05] <zeeshan> 60W
[17:30:16] <zeeshan> maybe i should just do that..
[17:30:22] <zeeshan> use car halogens, i dont know if they'll take the temp.
[17:30:33] <zeeshan> they are cheap.. and bright!
[17:30:39] <furrywolf> all halogens will take the tmp
[17:30:47] <furrywolf> they get hotter than that running
[17:30:51] <zeeshan> it'd just be a matter of soldering wire to the metal terminals
[17:31:19] <zeeshan> i could sand the bulb
[17:31:26] <zeeshan> lightly.. to get diffuse light
[17:31:27] <furrywolf> http://www.colourfusion.com/ google maps says they're 26mins from you.
[17:33:00] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/C5W_lamp.JPG
[17:33:03] <zeeshan> i wanna use something like this
[17:33:08] <zeeshan> theyre like 10W
[17:33:16] <zeeshan> so theyll be putting out like 9W heat
[17:33:22] <zeeshan> should be bright enough
[17:33:24] <furrywolf> they seem to mostly stock bulk glass, but they'll know where to get rod if you call them.
[17:33:34] <furrywolf> festoon lamps
[17:33:35] * zeeshan is giving up on rod idea :P
[17:34:02] <furrywolf> they tend towards yellow, plan on overvoltaging them slightly
[17:34:17] <zeeshan> http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/image_uploads/132021-bulb_large.jpg
[17:34:21] <zeeshan> i need that made out of ceramic!!!!
[17:34:26] <furrywolf> your local auto parts store will have a wide variety of festoon lamps
[17:34:28] <zeeshan> PERFECT
[17:34:36] <zeeshan> dont even have to solder the wire
[17:34:48] <furrywolf> good luck with that. I've never seen a non-plastic festoon holder.
[17:35:03] <furrywolf> you can get festoon lamps with wires, however
[17:35:13] <zeeshan> maybe i can be ghetto
[17:35:26] <furrywolf> they have wire loops on each end and snap into a holder that pulls on them
[17:35:29] <zeeshan> and just let them dangle by soldering mg wire directly to them
[17:36:23] <furrywolf> look for rigid loop lamps
[17:36:48] <zeeshan> first result on google
[17:36:53] <zeeshan> exact bulb i need: http://www.bulbs.com/product/FEX10F-12?RefId=161
[17:36:57] <zeeshan> its already frosted
[17:37:00] <furrywolf> http://www.bulbs.com/product/RLX10F-12?RefId=161
[17:37:09] <furrywolf> lol
[17:37:11] <zeeshan> hahaha
[17:37:20] <zeeshan> but dude the question is how do i mount them to the angle aluminum
[17:37:24] <zeeshan> without shorting it out
[17:37:37] <furrywolf> no, the one I pasted is better than the one you pasted.
[17:37:42] <furrywolf> it's much easier to attach too
[17:37:43] <furrywolf> to
[17:37:46] <zeeshan> how?
[17:37:51] <furrywolf> look at it. :P
[17:37:58] <furrywolf> wrap wire around, quick tap with a soldering iron.
[17:38:15] <zeeshan> right but do you leave it dangling off the wire?
[17:38:20] <furrywolf> stick fiberglass sleeve over the ends if you're worried about shorting. available from any motor or electrical shop.
[17:38:21] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to mount it
[17:38:43] <zeeshan> i have these:
[17:38:54] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/246599427/SM30_Insulator_High_quality_insulator_Fiberglass_insulator.jpg
[17:38:57] <zeeshan> fiberglass insulators
[17:39:34] <furrywolf> you can also get pcb material that'll be fine at your temperatures... solder the bulb to the pcb, the wires to the pcb, and screw the pcb in place.
[17:39:51] <furrywolf> you can also extract high-temp board-like material out of toasters and some space heaters
[17:40:39] <furrywolf> http://www.amphibike.org/images/640_toasterHeatingElement.jpg good picture of it
[17:40:52] <zeeshan> thats fiberglass?
[17:41:17] <furrywolf> probably. whatever it is, it has no problem being in direct contact with glowing nichrome. :P
[17:41:55] <furrywolf> brb
[17:42:34] <zeeshan> lol i cant solder
[17:42:38] <zeeshan> apparently solder melts at 183C.
[17:42:43] <zeeshan> im going to 260C!
[17:42:51] <Tom_itx> silversolder
[17:43:03] <zeeshan> ah
[17:43:10] <zeeshan> you guys are a wealth of info :)
[17:43:16] <Tom_itx> i know
[17:43:18] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:44:14] <Tom_itx> i guess i need to relearn how to download a FPGA image with jtag
[17:44:47] <Tom_itx> it's been way too long...
[17:45:38] <Tom_itx> anybody know about ISE design tools? is iMpact their downloader?
[17:46:10] <mozmck> I think so. You need a cable though...
[17:46:39] <Tom_itx> i've got an old parport one but i'm getting a USB one
[17:46:58] <furrywolf> braze or spot weld
[17:47:04] <Tom_itx> not sure the parport one would work with spartain6
[17:47:21] <mozmck> Ok. I have both now. I think the parport one is a pain to get set up, but don't remember for sure.
[17:47:26] <furrywolf> also, don't use any lamp with soldered-on ends, like the festoon lamps. make sure you use ones where you connect directly to wires from the lamp, like the rigid loop, or double-end halogen
[17:47:47] <Tom_itx> it's part of a dev board but can program external targets
[17:48:08] <Tom_itx> may not support the low V necessary for the spartain
[17:48:11] <furrywolf> I'm running the genny at full load now, seems to be working... 21A into my inverter, plus a 300W halogen shoplight. it's rated for 23.3A continuous.
[17:48:28] <mozmck> I don't know - the xilinx site would probably tell you.
[17:48:30] <Tom_itx> mozmck which one did you get?
[17:48:47] <Tom_itx> i'm gettin a chinese knockoff... hope it works ok
[17:48:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you can run a welder off that :P
[17:48:56] <mozmck> I found one of the newest ones on Ebay for a good price
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[17:49:13] <mozmck> DLC10
[17:50:01] <fogl> Tom_itx, parallel port cable works fine with spartan6, i use it on my linux machine
[17:50:02] <mozmck> I bet one of the DLC9 knockoffs would work fine. The firmware gets uploaded to the cable from impact I think, so all they have to do is get the hardware right.
[17:50:05] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKAE-6320.JPG http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKCC-1510.JPG
[17:50:08] <zeeshan> why cant i just use these
[17:50:26] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKP-134.JPG
[17:50:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xilinx-Platform-USB-Download-Cable-Jtag-Programmer-for-FPGA-CPLD-C-Mod-XC2C64A-/390809652326?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5afe120c66
[17:50:33] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/images_c/BKR-411.JPG
[17:50:36] <Tom_itx> that's what i'm getting
[17:51:46] <Tom_itx> says it does spartain
[17:52:07] <mozmck> That looks pretty nice - cables and all. The DLC9G is a little older than the DLC10, but I don't really know the difference.
[17:52:51] <Tom_itx> probably not much
[17:53:10] <Tom_itx> too bad i can't use atmel jtag
[17:53:24] <Tom_itx> i've got one i've maybe used once
[17:53:49] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I have two eu3000ises now... and a set of parallel cables. I can put out 46.6A continuous. :P
[17:54:06] <furrywolf> I had two of them before, but I lent someone one, and it got stolen from their house.
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[17:54:49] <zeeshan> Kapton is a polyimide film developed by DuPont that remains stable across a wide range of temperatures, from −269 to +400 °C
[17:54:57] <zeeshan> this is what i need!
[17:55:08] <Tom_itx> makes good paste masks too
[17:55:19] <furrywolf> this one isn't done... I just put it back together for enough of a minimally-functional configuration to verify the generator end was good.
[17:55:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencils.jpg
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[17:55:54] <furrywolf> the block is held together with silicone. someone twisted a little too hard on the oil drain plug, and snapped the bung off the block
[17:55:54] <zeeshan> thats kapton?
[17:55:59] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:56:16] <furrywolf> it also needs the valves adjusted, a new pullstart cord, and a battery.
[17:56:18] <zeeshan> now to figure out how to attach it.
[17:56:22] <zeeshan> bolt it to aluminum angle
[17:56:23] <Tom_itx> it's expensive too
[17:56:28] <Tom_itx> $300/lb
[17:56:55] <zeeshan> i just need tape
[17:56:58] <zeeshan> its like 50 bux
[17:56:59] <furrywolf> I have two other eu3000ises that are in various states of being torn apart... going to steal a rear block half off one of them. no working batteries, though.
[17:57:32] <furrywolf> kapton tape is widely used for aviation. try your local airport maintenance shop if you just need a little bit.
[17:57:42] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/5419%20GOLD%201%2F2IN%20X%2036YD/3M591912-ND/59550
[17:57:44] <zeeshan> was looking at this
[17:57:50] <zeeshan> says rated for 260C
[17:57:51] <zeeshan> will work
[17:58:30] <furrywolf> yes. if you want to get it done in 4 days, check local suppliers. heh.
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[17:58:36] <zeeshan> made by 3m
[17:58:37] <zeeshan> so i can get it free
[17:58:43] <zeeshan> since they are sponsoring us
[17:59:03] <Tom_itx> i've gotten alot of free 3M stuff
[17:59:17] <Tom_itx> sanding discs, absorbent material etc
[17:59:23] <zeeshan> how do i USE THIS FILM!!!
[17:59:26] <zeeshan> witrh my bulb!!
[17:59:29] <furrywolf> I've gotten no free 3m stuff.
[17:59:35] <Tom_itx> bud of mine made machines for them to cut the stuff out
[18:01:56] <furrywolf> no one gives me anything. I have to work for everything I have. heh.
[18:02:16] <zeeshan> thats how life is
[18:02:23] <zeeshan> i havent gotten free stuff ever in my life for my own use
[18:02:36] <zeeshan> maybe cotton candy at a fair
[18:02:37] <zeeshan> :p
[18:04:41] <furrywolf> can we please kill ebay sellers who list the same item hundreds of times? http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=security-alarm-batteries&hash=item43da3d6003&item=291424264195&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xytx9.TRS0&_nkw=ytx9&_sacat=0 like that guy
[18:05:17] <furrywolf> he has the same fucking battery listed 250 times with slightly different titles, clogging up my search results.
[18:07:24] <zeeshan> i decided on how im gonna mount this light
[18:07:41] <zeeshan> put a layer of kapton on the surface where the bulb is
[18:07:48] <zeeshan> drill 2 holes large enough just to pass mg wire
[18:08:00] <zeeshan> solder bulb
[18:08:03] <zeeshan> pass wire. clamp wire
[18:08:05] <zeeshan> call it a day
[18:08:12] <zeeshan> might not even need kapton tape
[18:08:20] <furrywolf> kapton isn't a perfect material. check to make sure it maintains its structual/insulation properties at your application. it's had problems with causing aircraft fires...
[18:08:44] <furrywolf> cutting apart a $5 toaster might get you much sturdier material, locally.
[18:09:06] <zeeshan> i think mg wire and bulb is all i need
[18:09:40] <zeeshan> i just gonna get a thicker mg wire
[18:09:43] <zeeshan> so its not as flexible
[18:09:48] <zeeshan> i cant find solid wire.
[18:09:50] <furrywolf> mg wire?
[18:09:58] <zeeshan> http://www.mcmaster.com/#type-mg-wire/=xc4zrc
[18:12:11] <furrywolf> mcmaster appears to now have an annoying website that relies on javascript bloat to function
[18:12:41] <furrywolf> oven wire might well be found in the toaster you cut apart for the mounting. :P
[18:17:45] <furrywolf> I guess next step is to figure out which of the other two generators I'm going to steal the block half from.
[18:18:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I came in during the conversation, but why do you need kapton insulating tape for?
[18:18:39] <furrywolf> both have the heads off. one is also missing the inverter.
[18:18:50] <furrywolf> Jymmm: he's mounting a lamp inside his test chamber, at 260C
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[18:19:22] <Jymmm> and cloth isnsulating tubing won't work?
[18:19:33] <Jymmm> Thermal^
[18:19:57] <zeeshan> link?
[18:20:08] <furrywolf> I suggested that already. I also suggested ripping apart an old toaster and using the board the element is on.
[18:20:13] <furrywolf> he wants the shiny aviation bits.
[18:20:42] <Jymmm> It's expensive, but I usually salvage it from broken toaster oven, coffee makers, hair dryers, etc
[18:20:59] <Jymmm> Aviation == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[18:21:10] <furrywolf> he's spending other people's money.
[18:21:30] <furrywolf> the fiberglass sleeving is cheap at your local electric motor shop
[18:21:32] <Jymmm> Not FAA money,
[18:21:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan: hit thrift stores
[18:22:02] <Jymmm> yard sales, etc
[18:22:03] <furrywolf> the shop here just gives small amounts away because it's worth less than the sheet of paper the invoice would be printed on. :P
[18:22:31] <Jymmm> Hell, buy new and strip for materal
[18:22:40] <Jymmm> OH fog lights have it too
[18:23:07] <Jymmm> or any halogen bulb
[18:23:18] <Jymmm> or halogen fixture
[18:23:34] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/fpga-add-on-boards-support-raspberry-pi-beaglebone-black/
[18:23:51] <CaptHindsight> The Logi-Boards, which integrate Xilinx SPARTAN-6 XC6SLX9 FPGAs
[18:25:08] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Can you post a photo of what you are trying to thermally insulate?
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[18:25:56] <Jymmm> Yeah, not gonna hapen.
[18:27:21] <Jymmm> and I mean the "chamber"
[18:27:51] <zeeshan> hi jymm
[18:28:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: ih
[18:28:47] <zeeshan> gimme a couple mins, ill post one
[18:28:56] <Jymmm> k
[18:29:47] <SpeedEvil> Is this an oxygen-free atmosphere?
[18:30:12] <furrywolf> no
[18:33:03] <Jymmm> Wood is an excellent thermal insulator - just like the wooden handle on my 1200F Webber bbq
[18:34:33] <furrywolf> yes, go expose your handle to a continuous 260C and let us know how it does.
[18:34:50] <Jymmm> 1200F > 290C
[18:35:32] <furrywolf> the metal on your bbq is not at 1200F, and the handle is probably mounted on standoffs.
[18:35:57] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Goony goo goo
[18:39:15] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: no
[18:39:33] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/4e28fcdb3d91279b09705d8b4240028c
[18:39:37] <zeeshan> this animation shows how i want the bulbs placed
[18:39:46] <zeeshan> and you can see the small two holes im ade in the angle aluminum
[18:39:57] <zeeshan> to shove the fiberglass insulated wire through
[18:40:41] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Ok, so the area around the light source is thermally insulated form the "chamber" and you just need to deal with the electrical aspects?
[18:41:10] <Jymmm> from*
[18:42:01] <zeeshan> the light is seeing the same temp as the chamber
[18:42:05] <zeeshan> -10 to 260C
[18:42:17] <zeeshan> i just need a good way to mount the bulb
[18:42:23] <zeeshan> right now its just dangling on wire :P
[18:42:34] <zeeshan> pcb board melts too easily
[18:42:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Have you considered cermic light sockets?
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[18:42:42] <zeeshan> yes, but they are hard to find..
[18:42:44] <zeeshan> locally
[18:42:45] <zeeshan> and quickly!
[18:42:56] <Jymmm> zeeshan: What type of bulb/socket?
[18:43:09] <Jymmm> Wattage?
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[18:43:27] <zeeshan> im lookin at 24VDC 20W bulbs
[18:43:36] <Jymmm> quantity?
[18:43:38] <zeeshan> 24vdc so i dont have to buy multiple power supplies
[18:43:47] <zeeshan> id like to get like 10 bulbs at least
[18:43:49] <zeeshan> just incase they blow up
[18:44:06] <Jymmm> so ten 20W bulbs at the same time?
[18:44:28] <Jymmm> Are these bulb for heat or optical purposes?
[18:45:08] <zeeshan> optical
[18:45:38] <Jymmm> Why not use household appliance oven bulbs?
[18:45:48] <zeeshan> sigh
[18:45:59] <zeeshan> i just need a way to mount the halogen bulb i showed earlier
[18:46:04] <zeeshan> better than dangling
[18:46:06] <zeeshan> if ther isnt one
[18:46:09] <zeeshan> im gonna leave it dangling
[18:46:13] <Jymmm> they are intended to withstand the heat.
[18:46:21] <zeeshan> i know, and they are really hard to source
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[18:46:27] <Jymmm> Whats the PN of the ghalogen bulb?
[18:46:32] <Jymmm> -g
[18:46:33] <PetefromTn_> Hey guys
[18:46:34] <zeeshan> http://www.bulbtown.com/JC20_FR_24V_20_WATT_24_VOLT_FROST_JC_HALOGEN_G4_p/jc5517f.htm
[18:46:52] <PetefromTn_> HOWZITGOIN
[18:46:59] <zeeshan> howdy!
[18:47:15] <PetefromTn_> Hey zeeshan
[18:47:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: what city you in?
[18:47:24] <zeeshan> hamilton ,on
[18:47:45] <PetefromTn_> I have been sitting here trying to think of the name for a piece of hardware I need so I can search for it
[18:47:56] <PetefromTn_> but so far I got nothin' LOL
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[18:52:09] <PetefromTn_> I am redoing the liner in my swimming pool and got it all buttoned up now. The pool has some of those wedding cake stairs that have PVC pipe handrails that loop up from the stairs and onto the deck of the pool. It came with some plastic deck mounts but I have seen aluminum ones you screw to the deck. I need a pair of those...hehe
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[18:52:55] <PetefromTn_> pretty sure you can get them at a box hardware store but cannot think of what they would be called..
[18:53:29] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-80054-Miniature-Incandescent-Lampholder/sim/B0036ZA93Y/2
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[18:56:44] <Jymmm> zeeshan: These look to be rated at 100W http://www.amazon.com/Onite-MR16-Socket-Holder-Common/dp/B006TVMHT6/
[18:57:49] <Jymmm> 6 for $8
[18:58:29] <Jymmm> and UL Listed too
[18:58:36] <zeeshan> how do you mount that holder
[18:58:37] <zeeshan> the first link
[18:58:49] <zeeshan> or even the second one
[18:58:51] <Jymmm> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xCHrQrntL._SL1000_.jpg
[18:58:56] <zeeshan> ah
[18:58:57] <Jymmm> two screws
[18:59:08] <Jymmm> just dont' over torque
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[19:01:06] <Jymmm> DO NOT shorten the leads, and use mechanical fastener.
[19:02:56] <Jymmm> Interesting, never saw ceramic wire nuts before... http://www.amazon.com/Supco-Series-Porcelain-18-14-Small/dp/B0071OXMVW
[19:03:21] <Jymmm> maybe crimp connection
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> err porcelain I mean
[19:04:22] <Jymmm> Nice.... "porcelain wire nut withstands temperatures up to 1,800 degrees F"
[19:07:04] <zeeshan> that is bad ass
[19:07:12] <Jymmm> ?
[19:07:57] <zeeshan> the ceramic wire nut
[19:07:58] <zeeshan> https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/3076/MR11CG-10115.html
[19:08:04] <zeeshan> btw those mr11 bulbs dont look like they will work
[19:08:13] <zeeshan> im pretty sure it has plastic components
[19:08:59] <Jymmm> You said G4 bulbs
[19:09:06] <zeeshan> oh
[19:09:08] <zeeshan> its for BOTH
[19:09:08] <zeeshan> nm
[19:09:44] <zeeshan> that second link doesnt use mg wire
[19:09:46] <Jymmm> and why you looking at 1000bulbs? You said you need it quick and amazon offers one day shipping
[19:09:47] <zeeshan> cant be rated high
[19:10:04] <zeeshan> amazon.com doesnt ship to canada..
[19:13:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=G4%20Lamp%20Socket
[19:13:20] <zeeshan> they use regular wire..
[19:13:22] <zeeshan> not fiberglass
[19:13:28] <Jymmm> bullshit
[19:13:37] <zeeshan> look at the pics
[19:14:03] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517gzksyksL._SL1000_.jpg
[19:14:04] <zeeshan> 180C
[19:14:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan: READ "silica gel wire" http://www.amazon.ca/Xpeoo%C2%AE-Socket-Halogen-Ceramic-Connector/dp/B00MIR0MF6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1432581138&sr=8-7&keywords=G4+Lamp+Socket
[19:14:16] <zeeshan> dude
[19:14:19] <zeeshan> it says right on the wire.
[19:14:20] <zeeshan> 180C
[19:14:54] <Jymmm> bah wrong link...
[19:16:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Well whatever, you can do your own research now that you have a direction.
[19:16:56] <zeeshan> lol
[19:17:04] <zeeshan> no offence, but i already came across all this
[19:17:20] <zeeshan> i could not find easily a combination that can take that temp
[19:17:24] <zeeshan> thats why iwas gonna leave it dangling.
[19:31:16] <t12> how about mr16 bulbs
[19:31:31] <t12> with the integrated mount and pins just sticking out
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[19:35:25] <t12> also seems to be therese and their variants
[19:35:26] <t12> http://www.amazon.ca/HELLA-H83115001-H1-Halogen-Bulb/dp/B000CO9FF0/
[19:35:37] <t12> where it just has a spade and you can use whatever mount you want
[19:35:42] <t12> their flange would prolly take a little adapting
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[19:46:14] <zeeshan> yes that is like car bulbs
[19:46:19] <zeeshan> the the problem is how do you mount it?
[19:46:25] <zeeshan> at an angle
[19:46:33] <zeeshan> originally iwas thinking using some sort of car bulbs
[19:46:34] <zeeshan> that were only 20W
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[19:49:59] <zeeshan> im gonna look into using mirrors as well
[19:50:05] <zeeshan> might not need any of this at all :P
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[19:50:58] <t12> angle where?
[19:51:04] <t12> not clear in your animation
[19:51:27] <t12> oh wait i see
[19:51:30] <t12> they're just small
[19:51:47] <t12> just weld a bit of plate in on the angle legs or smth
[19:52:29] <t12> are you expecting directionality
[19:53:14] <t12> i'm hyped i can use the rangerfinder focus on this camera backwards
[19:53:31] <t12> shine a laser through it and you get two dots that merge at the focal plane on the subject
[19:55:49] <zeeshan> you know youre right
[19:55:55] <zeeshan> i could just make a sleeve out of metal for it
[19:56:02] <zeeshan> and and lightly shove it in
[19:56:13] <t12> or just take plate
[19:56:14] <t12> cut a hole
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[19:56:23] <t12> drill two holes in their weirdo mounting flange and screw it down
[19:56:57] <t12> i mean one whole for the contact, and then the matching holes for the holddown
[19:57:09] <zeeshan> yea
[19:57:16] <t12> but i guess i'm also asking is the 45degrees meaningfdul
[19:57:27] <t12> a bare bulb is gonna give you some weird radiation pattern
[19:57:28] <zeeshan> well it stops the light from causing hot spots
[19:57:36] <zeeshan> its a frosted bulb
[19:57:42] <t12> ahh
[19:57:43] <zeeshan> so should help diffuse a bit
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[19:59:00] <t12> are you worried about the lamp heat messing the wire up
[19:59:07] <t12> or is the thing otherwise heated
[19:59:14] <zeeshan> im worried that at 260C
[19:59:29] <zeeshan> a lot of wire cant handle that temp except mg wire
[19:59:43] <furrywolf> which bulb are you looking at? also, online won't be done this week.
[19:59:53] <t12> remember those bulbs are used in all kidns of applications
[19:59:54] <zeeshan> so silver solder directly to bulb lead
[19:59:59] <t12> like the 120v home halogens get HOT
[20:00:03] <t12> but dont use particularly special wire
[20:00:12] <t12> arclamp bulbs seem to usually be silicone (thick) wire
[20:00:16] <zeeshan> t12 usually the wire is in a diff chamber
[20:00:18] <zeeshan> like for ovens
[20:00:23] <t12> sec for exampole
[20:00:24] <zeeshan> furrywolf: whatever i can find locally
[20:00:43] <t12> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cgE8QYTwL._SY300_.jpg
[20:00:48] <t12> like these arclamps
[20:00:53] <t12> they get HOT and the wires are directly mounted
[20:01:00] <zeeshan> yes but ther wire is usually in ambient
[20:01:02] <zeeshan> not at 2600C
[20:01:03] <zeeshan> er
[20:01:04] <zeeshan> 260C
[20:01:12] <t12> yeah but its metallicaly connected to the heat
[20:01:24] <furrywolf> frosted bulbs are uncommon at might be hard to find locally
[20:01:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: ill frost em myself :D
[20:01:33] <furrywolf> and you don't want to use any bulb with soldered ends...
[20:01:47] <t12> i guess i'm saying if its an expiremental/short use rig
[20:01:54] <t12> you may be able to get away with not insane wiring
[20:02:04] <t12> i guess if mg wire and high temp silicone wire cost the same it doesnt really matter
[20:02:06] <zeeshan> i think before i get all into this bulb stuff, im gonna experiment with mirrors
[20:02:16] <zeeshan> 25 foot of wire is like $50 for mg wire
[20:02:17] <t12> do you just need to light the inside or something
[20:02:23] <zeeshan> yes
[20:02:25] <t12> or is the light special
[20:02:31] <zeeshan> just light the inside
[20:02:38] * furrywolf puts on Iron Maiden - Dream of Mirrors
[20:02:38] <t12> just get some led bulbs or smth
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[20:02:48] <zeeshan> theyll melt :P
[20:02:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Lqv4vFV.jpg
[20:02:59] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/qgMOauP.jpg
[20:03:02] <zeeshan> i need nice lighting!
[20:03:07] <t12> oooh
[20:03:14] <t12> ok yeah if the whole thing is heated
[20:04:15] <zeeshan> i have some polished pieces of stainless
[20:04:26] <zeeshan> im gonna try moving them around kinda in the area where the bulbs are
[20:04:30] <zeeshan> and shine line from one of the openings
[20:04:32] <zeeshan> and see what happens
[20:04:47] <t12> is the light just for imaging
[20:04:51] <zeeshan> yes
[20:05:02] <t12> and you image through that window
[20:05:08] <zeeshan> it uses direct image correlation to pick up strain
[20:05:11] <zeeshan> yes
[20:05:24] <t12> could just mount something REALLY BRIGHT outside the window and point it in?
[20:05:30] <t12> is there a window on top there
[20:05:37] <zeeshan> no window in top
[20:05:38] <zeeshan> but i can make one
[20:05:38] <t12> where the lkamp is pointed
[20:05:48] <zeeshan> its usually closed with a fiberglass insulator
[20:05:52] <zeeshan> er
[20:05:54] <zeeshan> a bricket
[20:05:56] <zeeshan> .. brick!
[20:06:01] <t12> how hot does the outside surface get
[20:06:03] <t12> of that box
[20:06:06] <zeeshan> not much at all
[20:06:09] <zeeshan> pretty much ambient
[20:06:13] <t12> yeah i'd just illuminate through that window
[20:06:18] <zeeshan> i cant
[20:06:25] <zeeshan> not the front windoiw, it causes reflections to happen
[20:06:27] <zeeshan> and hot spots
[20:06:37] <t12> from the outside face of the window?
[20:06:40] <zeeshan> yes
[20:06:46] <zeeshan> i tried with different lights
[20:06:47] <t12> just foil those parts off?
[20:06:49] <zeeshan> diffuse light, regular bulb
[20:06:49] <zeeshan> etc
[20:06:54] <t12> or put a little blocker on the inside
[20:07:03] <t12> that keeps direct reflection from window -> subject
[20:07:11] <furrywolf> bbl, off to hardware store for some rope to fix the pullstart
[20:07:12] <t12> makes all paths reflect off the inside of the box
[20:07:37] <t12> but yeah if you have an alternate easy light port
[20:07:39] <t12> vs putting bulbs inside
[20:07:39] <zeeshan> well when i added that lamp to simulate lighting from inside
[20:07:42] <zeeshan> all the problems went away
[20:07:46] <t12> extra light is cheap
[20:07:58] <t12> and preventing specular is just about making it diffuse right
[20:09:05] <zeeshan> if i can align the exterior light
[20:09:12] <t12> got an example hotspot image?
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[20:09:19] <zeeshan> to be perpendicular
[20:09:29] <zeeshan> and use diffuse light
[20:09:55] <zeeshan> i dunno nm
[20:09:56] <zeeshan> :P
[20:09:59] <zeeshan> no i dont
[20:10:07] <zeeshan> it just trips the cameras out inthe software
[20:10:25] <zeeshan> you can change the exposure time to reduce the hot spots
[20:10:33] <zeeshan> but then other spots become too dark :P
[20:12:05] <CaptHindsight> an incandescent lamp will work without any issues
[20:12:17] <zeeshan> thats what im using..
[20:12:20] <zeeshan> in that black lamp in the pic
[20:12:24] <zeeshan> it causes issues
[20:12:33] <CaptHindsight> ok, so next topic..... :)
[20:12:43] <t12> i think his problem is specular reflections on the outside window -> camera
[20:12:56] <zeeshan> t12 exactly
[20:12:57] <zeeshan> lol
[20:13:05] <CaptHindsight> so move the lamp
[20:13:07] <zeeshan> the cameras start imaging my face instead of the specimen
[20:13:16] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you dont think i tried? ;-)
[20:13:23] <CaptHindsight> no I don't
[20:13:26] <zeeshan> hush
[20:13:27] <t12> lool
[20:13:56] <zeeshan> im not open on the choice of exterior lighting vs interior
[20:14:06] <zeeshan> i want interior, now its just a matter of how :P
[20:14:14] <zeeshan> bulbs seem viable, just mounting is a pain
[20:14:22] <zeeshan> mg wire can easily handle 24vdc, 450C
[20:14:33] <zeeshan> other option is mirrors. will try mirrors first
[20:14:37] <CaptHindsight> silicon insulated wire
[20:14:54] <zeeshan> only rated for 180C
[20:15:08] <zeeshan> mg wire basically fiberglass wire similar if not same as thermocouple wire
[20:15:15] <zeeshan> *basically is
[20:15:21] <CaptHindsight> just use a high temp silicon
[20:15:37] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: grr
[20:15:40] <t12> lol
[20:15:42] <zeeshan> the wire type isn't up for debate
[20:15:49] <t12> just get some plutonium and put it in a cup
[20:15:52] <CaptHindsight> not silicone wire from the store
[20:15:53] <t12> and image from the cherenkov radiation
[20:15:54] <CaptHindsight> just make it
[20:16:03] <zeeshan> let me just put 2 tubes of mercury
[20:16:08] <zeeshan> for my electrical conenctions to the bulb!
[20:16:15] <t12> just start a magnesium fire inside the box
[20:16:20] <t12> and run the expirement
[20:16:22] <zeeshan> haha
[20:16:25] <zeeshan> HAHA
[20:16:29] <zeeshan> thats actually a good one
[20:16:30] <t12> yeah just toss a flare in there
[20:16:30] <XXCoder> bright. lol\
[20:16:37] <zeeshan> hahaha
[20:17:04] <zeeshan> wait, isn't there those species that live at the lava vents at the bottom of the ocean floor
[20:17:07] <zeeshan> that survive at like 300C?
[20:17:10] <zeeshan> and they glow?
[20:17:13] <t12> loll
[20:17:15] <zeeshan> hahah
[20:17:15] <t12> extremophile lighting
[20:18:14] <zeeshan> Hydrothermal vents were discovered deep in the ocean and under such high pressure that the water boils at 340°C. It was a surprise to researchers to discover bacteria living and thriving in the vents at such extreme temperatures and pressure
[20:18:15] <zeeshan> yep
[20:18:18] <zeeshan> those bastards will work
[20:18:35] <zeeshan> anyone got a sub?
[20:18:59] <CaptHindsight> seafloor bacteria insulation
[20:19:38] <CaptHindsight> or just genetically modify them to glow and you won't need the lamp
[20:19:54] <zeeshan> haha
[20:21:45] <zeeshan> so yesterday i learned the hard way
[20:21:57] <zeeshan> when using two toe clamps, make sure there are no burrs on your part :[
[20:22:07] <zeeshan> part shifted by 50 thou
[20:23:08] <t12> just always deburr everything before handling
[20:23:17] <zeeshan> sometimes you get lazy :P
[20:23:29] <zeeshan> speaking of deburring
[20:23:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tiN7adw.jpg
[20:23:35] <zeeshan> when you have steps like that
[20:23:42] <zeeshan> that edge is a pain in the ass to deburr..
[20:23:46] <zeeshan> i dont have a triangle tool
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[20:26:26] <XXCoder> cant use 45 campfer?
[20:26:27] <Tom_itx> chamfer tool in the cnc silly
[20:26:32] <XXCoder> just barely touch edge
[20:26:40] <zeeshan> who has time for chamfering on the cnc
[20:26:41] <zeeshan> not me
[20:26:42] <zeeshan> :D
[20:26:50] <Tom_itx> then stop bitchin
[20:26:56] <XXCoder> then go for figerbleeding and deburr tool lol
[20:32:01] <zeeshan> i guess i could do like a 0.004"x0.004" chamfer
[20:32:06] <zeeshan> at super high speed
[20:32:15] <Tom_itx> it would certainly be quicker
[20:33:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:33:24] <zeeshan> will set it up for anything i mill in the future
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[20:34:50] <XXCoder> you guys know where your towel is at? it's towel day heh
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[20:48:02] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:53:11] <Tom_itx> XXCoder yes
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[21:48:33] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: good lol