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[00:00:03] <zeeshan|2> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/fiber-optics/buffered-fiber-optics/2456/
[00:00:10] <zeeshan|2> damn it why dont they tell me the temp spec!!
[00:00:39] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: i dont see how your led would take high temps?
[00:01:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/fiber-optics/buffered-fiber-optics/57080/
[00:01:30] <zeeshan|2> YUAY
[00:01:34] <zeeshan|2> -190C to 385C
[00:01:43] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: because you're pumping coolant through it
[00:01:48] <zeeshan|2> ah
[00:02:15] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: It neds 10W or so of cooling for the 5mm version - +300C ambient is going to be unnoticable
[00:03:41] <zeeshan|2> correct me if im wrong
[00:03:59] <zeeshan|2> but to take a fiber like the one i just posted, and instead of making it shine light at the end of the fiber
[00:04:16] <zeeshan|2> can you sand the cicumference to get light out from there?
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[00:09:19] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: in general, not easily
[00:09:29] <SpeedEvil> perhaps not at all
[00:09:36] <SpeedEvil> - it's not letting me view that
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[00:12:01] <zeeshan|2> their website is slow!
[00:16:56] <zeeshan|2> gonna rest for a bit =D
[00:24:27] <Tom_itx> when using the G33.1 command do you need to move to the new X Y hole location before issuing the G33.1?
[00:26:17] <Tom_itx> unexpected realtime delay
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[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924491] In recent history there were
[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924493] 1769661, 1807875, 1871289, 1974780, and 1608993
[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924496] elapsed clocks between calls to the motion controller.
[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924504] This time, there were 1959462 which is so anomalously
[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924506] large that it probably signifies a problem with your
[00:32:05] <Tom_itx> [ 3434.924509] realtime configuration.
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[00:39:22] <malcom2073> heh
[00:42:55] <Tom_itx> ok apparently the X Y move needs to be on a separate line before the G33.1
[00:43:20] <Tom_itx> that's an easy fix.
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[01:09:06] <Tom_itx> ok at least the post is fixed
[01:09:17] <Tom_itx> now if i could get the cnc to run error free...
[01:10:42] <Tom_itx> BTW, for those of you running the G33.1 X & Y must be specified on a separate line than the G33.1 Z move. I figured since it was a canned cycle it would know to move to the next hole location but it doesn't.
[01:11:20] <Tom_itx> if X Y & Z are specified on the G33.1 line all 3 axis move
[01:11:42] <Tom_itx> a bug IMO but probably a feature to others
[01:12:46] <Tom_itx> it should behave like a drill cycle or any other canned cycle where it moves to the X Y location before executing Z
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[01:39:54] <furrywolf> the person I just helped had his truck break in a most unpleasant fashion... one of those things that's not supposed to happen. the ball joint on the pittman arm sheared off.
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[01:40:33] <furrywolf> just randomly while driving
[01:40:45] <SpeedEvil> Whee!
[01:40:57] <SpeedEvil> Lost control of his axis I guess.
[01:41:19] <furrywolf> a relatively new truck, too. that's the type of thing you file reports with the nhtsa about.
[01:41:45] <furrywolf> he was making a turn, and it just went snap. fortunately he was going slowly, and not, say, hitting a pothole on the freeway around a corner...
[01:42:00] <SpeedEvil> I guess slow turns may load it more
[01:42:20] <SpeedEvil> But yes - not in the case of potholes
[01:43:06] <furrywolf> as I said, that's a part that should _never_ break. one of the few parts where failure creates an immediate high probability of a crash.
[01:43:40] <furrywolf> he managed to back it into a gas station with some manual steering (i.e. get out and bear hug the wheels)
[01:44:54] <furrywolf> even brakes have redundancy... but steering doesn't, so it's designed to never fail.
[01:45:30] <zeeshan|2> owned
[01:47:27] <furrywolf> so why are 30A twistlocks $12 but 50A twistlocks $150?
[01:48:10] <zeeshan|2> cause twistlocks are lame! :P
[01:48:27] * zeeshan|2 is in hate mode right now
[01:48:31] <furrywolf> what do you like instead? :P
[01:48:43] <zeeshan|2> stuff that plugs straight in!
[01:48:57] <furrywolf> you mean stuff that pulls straight out? :P
[01:49:22] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:49:40] <zeeshan|2> i am bitter because i have been on the hunt for a cnc lathe for the last 5 months
[01:49:46] <zeeshan|2> and not a single one has popped up
[01:50:06] <furrywolf> I thought you pasted one here the other day?
[01:50:12] <zeeshan|2> nop
[01:50:18] <zeeshan|2> i want a busted one for 2k
[01:50:25] <zeeshan|2> the one i saw a while back got sold in 4 hours
[01:50:50] <malcom2073> There's always lathes at the auctions they have near here every month, sometimes even cnc ones
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[01:50:58] <malcom2073> Bigger they are, cheaper they go
[01:51:03] <furrywolf> well, I don't have one either, so no complaining. :P
[01:51:20] <furrywolf> my shoptask doesn't have enough tooling to make a useful lathe yet, and its status as useful is questionable in general.
[01:51:20] <zeeshan|2> my conversion lathe seems to be doing okay
[01:51:46] <zeeshan|2> things like automatic tail stock
[01:51:51] <zeeshan|2> and slant bend is really nice
[01:51:59] <zeeshan|2> dont have to worry about sitting there wiping chips and shit off the ways
[01:52:06] <zeeshan|2> theyre more rigid
[01:52:06] <Tom_itx> 50A plugs don't just pull straight out. it takes quite a bit of force
[01:52:51] <furrywolf> hrmm, I have another power distribution box that splits a 100A stage pin into 10 outlets... I should get a stage pin plug and make a cable to plug it into my new power distribution box, for even more plugs.
[01:54:07] <Tom_itx> well at least the dry run for rigid tapping appears to work
[01:54:19] <Tom_itx> control isn't quite 100% yet though
[01:54:39] <Tom_itx> and the cam post is fixed
[01:54:59] * Tom_itx calls it a night while he's ahead
[01:55:18] <Tecan> tom tom horray
[01:55:36] <Tecan> sweet sheep
[01:56:08] <Tom_itx> i need a bigger control box
[01:56:40] <furrywolf> working on the sherline still?
[01:56:41] <furrywolf> more than just the control box needs to be bigger. :P
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[01:58:05] <Tom_itx> yeah but it's getting big boy features :)
[02:02:15] <furrywolf> lol
[02:02:52] <norias> gmm
[02:03:10] <norias> just realized my old boss is going to have his machines again, soon.
[02:03:19] <norias> hmm
[02:03:31] <norias> not that i really need more access to manual machines
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[02:06:57] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: is your control box bigger than your mill? :-)
[02:08:28] <furrywolf> you can make the control box double as a carrying case for the mill
[02:08:35] <norias> i love those places
[02:08:42] <norias> you can rent all sorts of power tools
[02:08:45] <norias> and heavy equipment from
[02:08:51] <norias> i've got two nearby
[02:08:53] <norias> :)
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[02:10:20] <furrywolf> I hate renting.
[02:10:48] <norias> eh. i'm ok with it
[02:10:52] <norias> depending on what it is
[02:10:58] <norias> i have like, three lists
[02:11:08] <norias> 1. stuff i have to own, and it needs to be high quality
[02:11:16] <norias> 2. stuff i need to own, but it can be cheap
[02:11:32] <norias> 3. stuff i don't want to store, or costs alot and i rent when i need it
[02:11:35] <zeeshan|2> 1. women
[02:11:41] <zeeshan|2> jk
[02:11:50] <norias> naw, women are #3
[02:11:55] <norias> wait
[02:12:32] <norias> i buy most stuff used, but good quality
[02:12:40] <malcom2073> boats, planes, and women. Cheaper to rent.
[02:12:50] <norias> like my air compressor
[02:12:52] <norias> got a good deal
[02:12:55] <norias> use it all the time
[02:13:46] <Tom_itx> when i buy stuff high quality i try to get it to pay for itself somehow
[02:14:43] <norias> http://aviataircraft.com/cng/
[02:15:01] <norias> Tom: yeah... i have so many construction tools now
[02:15:09] <norias> i'm thinking about getting a contractor's license
[02:15:14] <norias> and just doing random jobs
[02:15:38] <norias> i bought a used chainsaw for $60
[02:15:46] <norias> now, i'm not a lumberjack
[02:15:51] <norias> but that thing has really paid off
[02:15:53] <Tom_itx> i got like 3 of those
[02:16:00] <Tom_itx> all paid their own way
[02:16:15] <norias> it's a cheapo brand
[02:16:17] <norias> polan
[02:16:18] <Tom_itx> one for up in the tree, one for cutting the base and a pole saw
[02:16:20] * furrywolf has lots of random tools
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[02:16:27] <norias> ahh
[02:16:35] <norias> yeah, i just needed one for around the house
[02:16:44] <norias> because we bought a place with lots of trees
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[02:17:25] <Tom_itx> got a nail gun when i was doing an addition and sold it in a sale. got more back than what one would have rented for
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[02:17:49] <Tom_itx> and there wasn't a time limit on it
[02:17:51] <furrywolf> I have a few chainsaws... the one that runs right now is a newish poulan. my old homelite will probably run if I dug it out of storage. I also have another older, larger homelite that needs the carb put back on.
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[02:18:04] <Tom_itx> 2 stihl and 1 mac
[02:18:14] <furrywolf> I have a half dozen nail guns. they're very useful. I have staple guns too.
[02:18:26] <Tom_itx> yeah i have a few staple guns
[02:18:50] <norias> hmm
[02:18:59] <norias> i'm not sure what i'd use a nail gun for
[02:19:06] <furrywolf> putting in nails quickly.
[02:19:06] <norias> staple gun, certainly
[02:19:14] <furrywolf> and with minimal effort.
[02:19:16] <Tom_itx> framing
[02:19:19] <norias> i don't think i've had any projects
[02:19:23] <furrywolf> you aim it, and nails appear. no work needed.
[02:19:26] <norias> that required so many nails
[02:19:35] <norias> that it seemed a burden to just run them in
[02:19:37] <norias> with a hammer
[02:19:43] <norias> now, a nicer hammer...
[02:19:48] <norias> i could go for that
[02:19:49] <furrywolf> they're also amazing for fencing... hold the board in one hand, pop pop pop pop move on to the next board...
[02:20:04] <furrywolf> methinks you've never used a nailgun. :P
[02:20:04] <norias> i know what people use them for
[02:20:15] <norias> but none of the carpenter's i've worked with
[02:20:18] <norias> have ever used them
[02:20:24] <norias> so...
[02:20:34] <norias> when i'm framing or whatever
[02:20:38] <norias> i'm doing it for myself
[02:20:38] <furrywolf> none of the carpenters I've seen would use anything else. lol
[02:20:51] <norias> it's not like i'm trying to max my $ per hour
[02:21:16] <furrywolf> labor is often the largest cost of a job. if you cut the labor in half, you can bid lower but still make more profit...
[02:21:21] <norias> sure
[02:21:26] <norias> but i'm not doing it for money
[02:21:29] <norias> at this point
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[02:21:39] <furrywolf> someone sitting there hammering nails by hand would quickly be replaced by someone who didn't.
[02:21:49] <norias> dunno
[02:21:55] <norias> guys seem pretty quick
[02:22:28] <furrywolf> you haven't used a nail gun. :P
[02:22:54] <furrywolf> I can put in five nails a second. that's 0.2 seconds per nail. I can't even grab them out of a bag at that speed, much less aim and hammer them.
[02:23:05] <furrywolf> bump nailing is FAST.
[02:23:26] <Jymmm> and scary as fuck
[02:24:07] <furrywolf> I just got a collated screw gun two weeks ago... it does the same thing, but with screws. it's not quite as fast, but it still lets you put screws in one-handed in a fraction of a second...
[02:24:42] <furrywolf> no, scary is my coil nailer, which double-fires instead of bumps and puts the second nail into the top of the first one, sending the gun flying upwards. need to figure out what's wrong with the trigger on it.
[02:30:44] <zeeshan|2> less chatting
[02:30:46] <zeeshan|2> more machining my friends !
[02:30:59] <norias> well, shit
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[02:33:22] * zeeshan|2 loves caM
[02:33:30] * Tom_itx does too
[02:33:30] <zeeshan|2> takes like 2 min to do this:
[02:34:14] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/kDWNmeb.png
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[02:34:43] <Tom_itx> what's with the squirly leadins?
[02:35:08] <zeeshan|2> smooth action!
[02:35:34] <Tom_itx> start at the corner radius instead of in the middle
[02:35:35] <zeeshan|2> its really not needed for aluminum
[02:35:46] <zeeshan|2> but it stops your tool from getting owned in the beginning and end of cut
[02:36:01] <Tom_itx> then lead out the end of the part
[02:36:06] <Tom_itx> shorter distance
[02:36:11] <zeeshan|2> meh
[02:36:15] <zeeshan|2> 2 min job man|!
[02:36:21] <Tom_itx> production is about time
[02:36:26] <zeeshan|2> i aint running a job shop
[02:36:34] <Tom_itx> you say that now
[02:36:45] <zeeshan|2> mark my words Tom_itx
[02:36:48] <zeeshan|2> i will never machine for a living!
[02:36:48] <Tom_itx> get used to making efficient cuts
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[02:37:04] <zeeshan|2> i want to be lazy!!!
[02:37:39] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: check my technique out of squaring stock on the table without a vise
[02:37:56] <zeeshan|2> i take a parallel, dump it into the tslot
[02:37:57] <Tom_itx> i generally put in a cleanup pass at depth too
[02:38:03] <Tom_itx> leave about .010 for that
[02:38:05] <zeeshan|2> anmd then push the stock against it
[02:38:15] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: these arent critical
[02:38:27] <zeeshan|2> if they were out by 20 thou the guy wouldnt care :P
[02:38:29] <Tom_itx> just sayin
[02:38:29] <zeeshan|2> im welding them in place
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[02:39:27] <Tom_itx> we used to do alot of stuff from mylars
[02:39:34] <Tom_itx> those were +-.030
[02:39:42] <zeeshan|2> for electric insulation?
[02:40:01] <Tom_itx> noncritical sheetmetal parts for airplanes
[02:40:22] <Tom_itx> and alot of hydroblocks
[02:40:51] <Tom_itx> make the form you want with an undercut and stick it under a pressurized bag
[02:41:05] <Tom_itx> out pops your bent sheetmetal
[02:41:30] <zeeshan|2> sheet metal machining is interesting
[02:41:36] <zeeshan|2> the work holding aspect of it
[02:43:12] <Tom_itx> tape or suction
[02:43:14] <FinboySlick> Hehe, squish!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQA1VcNny9o
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[02:47:16] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T4hE0Pxlh8
[02:49:33] <Tom_itx> the block die forming is what we did
[02:49:36] <zeeshan|2> i love forming
[02:49:38] <Tom_itx> made the forms
[02:49:53] <zeeshan|2> just by changing the strain path
[02:50:09] <zeeshan|2> you can make the metal form by crazy amounts
[02:50:39] <zeeshan|2> that dude looks completely unimpressed
[02:50:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:51:18] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XicB7I-gDEw
[02:52:45] * zeeshan|2 is hydroforming his sample that hes been talkin about forever
[02:52:56] <Tom_itx> you'd know it if you popped a hose
[02:52:57] <zeeshan|2> im wondering if when hydroforming in sheet metal
[02:53:08] <zeeshan|2> if the stress state still remains biaxial
[02:53:37] * Tom_itx goes horizontal for the night
[02:53:52] <zeeshan|2> cu
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[03:01:55] <furrywolf> lol. one of the local news outlets has an article with the title "Rock, Scissors, Crowbar!". someone tried holding up a gas station... with a rock. the clerk responded by whapping the guy upside the head with a crowbar.
[03:03:13] <furrywolf> "The clerk at first said he thought the suspect was joking."
[03:03:44] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[03:04:52] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/25/fd/25fd4f176ac2f86cb9631488f7382725.jpg
[03:05:29] <furrywolf> also, as a rule, mugshots always look like the person is on whichever drugs found on their person when they're arrested.
[03:06:13] <roycroft> you mean whatever drugs are planted on them when they're arrested
[03:08:16] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/uploads/post/13015/11024762_10152875561028526_2124476260964530420_n.jpg http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/13/48/13480217ba8b1becf310b983097c754f.jpg can YOU guess which one was on meth and which one heroin? :P
[03:08:23] <roycroft> my favorite dumb criminal story recently was the guy who was arrested for bank robbery who claims he's innocent because he was polite and did demand money - he just asked for it
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[03:09:48] <furrywolf> trying to hold up a gas station with a rock is pretty high up there on the list
[03:10:14] <furrywolf> also, I love that the gas station keeps a crowbar at the register.
[03:10:25] <roycroft> unless your name is fred flintstone
[03:10:51] <furrywolf> no, the flintstones would have an actual club, not just a rock.
[03:12:26] * furrywolf bets there's a shotgun under the counter too, but the clerk determined the crowbar was sufficient for the threat
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[03:42:13] <skunksleep> cradek: cool. Plastic doesn't look as nice?
[03:42:59] <cradek> the light doesn't stay inside as well, and it's super easy to get crazing or scratches
[03:43:42] <cradek> they have to be really thin, because you want a stack of 10 and not much total depth
[03:44:03] <skunksleep> So you stack the glass and light the layer you want?
[03:44:09] <cradek> yep
[03:44:30] <skunksleep> Heh.. Slow typer.
[03:45:07] <skunksleep> Do the pocs not overlap?
[03:45:35] <skunksleep> Between layers?
[03:45:59] <cradek> the dots are so small it doesn't really matter
[03:46:07] <cradek> they're pretty invisible when not lit
[03:46:10] <skunksleep> Ah
[03:47:00] <cradek> http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/count.html
[03:47:07] <cradek> very bottom of this page shows one in action
[03:47:17] <skunksleep> Are you using carbide to do the machining?
[03:47:40] <cradek> a diamond burr
[03:47:50] <cradek> I bet carbide would work too. it just has to scratch it up.
[03:48:23] <cradek> cutting under water
[03:49:32] <skunksleep> Neat
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[03:54:47] <furrywolf> grrr, forgot I still don't have wire for my steppers. anyone have some shielded 16/4 flexible cable they want to sell? proper control cable, not speaker, sprinkler, alarm, etc wire.
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[04:03:11] <skunksleep> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general-cnc-plasma-oxy-fuel-cutting-machines/256122-cnc.html
[04:05:59] <furrywolf> I need to make my plasma cutter work.
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[04:13:20] <nema34-cnc> hi
[04:13:57] <nema34-cnc> i have very simple part to make.
[04:14:07] <nema34-cnc> just 4 holes to drill.
[04:14:21] <nema34-cnc> what is the best way to make code for it?
[04:14:37] <cradek> type it into a text editor
[04:15:17] <cradek> use an appropriate drill cycle
[04:15:51] <nema34-cnc> cradek, what do you mean?
[04:15:52] <cradek> your program will be about six lines, four for the drills, one for turning on the spindle and maybe coolant
[04:16:42] <cradek> don't forget to start by setting the program units with g20 or g21
[04:16:57] <nema34-cnc> no spindle and coolant control
[04:17:18] <nema34-cnc> i never write gcode before.
[04:18:23] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:20:03] <evil_ren> nema34-cnc:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G81-Drilling-Cycle
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[04:20:50] <renesis> you just have to use that one
[04:21:38] <renesis> and you only have to put in once, after that you just put the X and Y coordinates
[04:22:48] <renesis> than you put an m30 on the last line, and you want to puts units on first line (safety block) like cradek said
[04:25:14] <renesis> code before.
[04:25:14] <renesis> 04:18 < furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:25:52] <renesis> eh, how did that get into the addy bar of my browser
[04:27:36] <renesis> nema34-cnc:
http://www.tormach.com/g81.html they have an example, with a more complete safety block (line n2). note that lines N10 through N15 are for tool change and spindle, so you probably dont need those
[04:28:23] * furrywolf is in your addy bar, stealing your urls
[04:29:15] <nema34-cnc> I made the part in solidworks.
[04:29:59] <renesis> furrywolf: youre sleeping go away
[04:30:34] <renesis> nema34-cnc: you can use solidworks to get the x/y coordinates you need for the gcode
[04:31:20] <renesis> make sure you know where the origin is and put it on the same place on your part
[04:31:54] <nema34-cnc> so.. i buy a car to walk..
[04:32:38] <cradek> you sure whine a lot
[04:32:40] <renesis> solidworks isnt CAM, its CAD. you need CAM like mastercam, or fusion360, or cambam, or something
[04:33:22] <renesis> the cheaper it is the less it will be able to do, and sometimes they are harder to use (but not necessarily because the feature heavy stuff can be hard to learn)
[04:33:29] <cradek> renesis: would any of those make drilling 4 holes easier than writing 4 drill cycles?
[04:33:41] <nema34-cnc> I have solidcam
[04:33:52] <renesis> actually not all, but hes seems miffed about solidworks
[04:33:55] <cradek> I probably would have done it in mdi
[04:34:15] <renesis> ya but youre not a newb, youre cradek
[04:34:32] <cradek> well
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[08:44:29] <RyanS> god australian steel suppliers are infuriating its like a mixture of SAE and Australian Standard specs depending on the product
[08:47:18] <RyanS> although 304 stainless is easier to remember than DIN for eg X5CrNi18-9
[08:50:13] <MattyMatt> it's like that everywhere I think
[08:51:40] <MattyMatt> along with random choice of imperial or metric sizes
[08:53:16] <SpeedEvil> Don't forget not displaying prices
[08:53:43] <MattyMatt> I've got those last 2 things sorted for aluminium
[08:54:04] <MattyMatt> http://www.aluminiumwarehouse.co.uk/Aluminium-T_Section/c120_130/index.html this place is great
[08:54:27] <MattyMatt> has a great website, I should say, I've never ordered
[08:54:54] <SpeedEvil> It's somewhat improving, yes
[08:55:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.scaffolding-direct.co.uk/ for larger tube
[08:56:05] <RyanS> its annoying witg no price, surely its easier to maintain a price list than "how much for this, do you stock that"
[08:58:24] <RyanS> im designing a welding table based on 'that looks strong enough' and rough pricing from one online supplier with prices
[09:00:06] <SpeedEvil> The problem is there is a twisted rationale in theory.
[09:00:29] <SpeedEvil> It lets them price it ridiculously if you look like you can pay it
[09:01:49] <RyanS> so B2B gets ripped off and DIY/hobbyists get ignored :)
[09:01:55] <MattyMatt> you could go to a scrapyard and look for something that looks suitable
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[09:03:47] <MattyMatt> I've got a copper top table, that'd be cool for welding on
[09:03:54] <RyanS> hmm i dont want warped flats (the top is 11 100x12 flat with 12mm t-nut slots
[09:04:02] <MattyMatt> cool until the wood burns of course
[09:05:07] <RyanS> hmm i might have to spray it with anti-splatter or something
[09:05:08] <MattyMatt> there's no guarantee steel you buy will be flat enough
[09:05:56] <MattyMatt> every morning
[09:05:56] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt: that's why you get a large surface plate as a table.
[09:06:11] <MattyMatt> I wish
[09:06:21] <RyanS> hmm, one supplier . I think specifies 1.6mm +- over 800mm
[09:06:42] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAST-IRON-SURFACE-PLATE-8X4-CAST-IRON-SURFACE-TABLE-ENGINEERS-MARKING-OUT-TABLE-/331547974149
[09:06:55] <RyanS> i can flycut em in stages?
[09:07:45] <SpeedEvil> 'portable type'
[09:08:00] <SpeedEvil> I'd love to know what a non-portable 8*4 surface plate looks like
[09:08:08] <MattyMatt> or find someone with a giant surface table like that. put your ground surfaces down with spacers to make T slots, fill with concrete
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[09:08:49] <MattyMatt> or molten iron, if you're hard enough
[09:08:50] <SpeedEvil> 'how did you refurbish it?' Oh - I ran a belt sander over it till it was shiny
[09:09:35] <MattyMatt> looked for light ender his really long ruler
[09:09:41] <RyanS> concrete ?!
[09:09:58] <MattyMatt> concrete is cheap and stable
[09:10:07] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt: have you seen 'foundations of mechanical accuracy?
[09:10:08] <MattyMatt> not portable
[09:10:34] <MattyMatt> SpeedEvil not with enough attention obviously
[09:10:39] <RyanS> doesn't it go kaboom if welded on?
[09:10:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.totallyscrewedmachineshop.com/documents/FoundationsofMechanicalAccuracy.pdf
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[09:11:06] <MattyMatt> RyanS you make that sound like a bad thing :) good point
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[09:11:32] <MattyMatt> everything under the surface slats could be scrap tho
[09:12:02] <RyanS> does it actually explode ?
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[09:12:27] <MattyMatt> if it's damp it would
[09:12:33] <RyanS> my design uses 50x50x4mm SHS
[09:12:53] <SpeedEvil> Page 36 - fig 28. Look at the 'insufficiently rigid' ruler :)
[09:13:09] <SpeedEvil> - on the left
[09:13:34] * MattyMatt uses frikken lasers
[09:13:41] <RyanS> so scrap maybe hard to find
[09:14:10] <MattyMatt> try your local scrapyard, you may be surprised
[09:14:31] <MattyMatt> or they might have angle or I beam that'll do
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[09:15:16] <MattyMatt> from scrapped steel frame buildingsbuildings
[09:15:23] <MattyMatt> buildingd
[09:16:31] <RyanS> i design with 'that looks ok' and 'i dont know if M8 or M10 bolts – should be used so I'd better overkill' principles
[09:17:01] <MattyMatt> I use M8 for clamping, but M10 is better
[09:18:10] <MattyMatt> but with all this M8 hanging around from building repraps :)
[09:18:44] <RyanS> but actually +- 1.6mm straightness is ok for welding on?
[09:18:57] <MattyMatt> slots in my deckel table seem to be 11mm. dunno if that's original or they've been ground out
[09:19:39] <RyanS> I should build a CNC plasma cutter to cut slots :)
[09:19:44] <MattyMatt> that's up to you if 1.6mm is bad, but I'm thinking you can get the whole table flatter than the spec of the strips
[09:21:30] <MattyMatt> and if the strips are that bend, you can straigten them with heat like keith fenner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOT4cSTJyqw
[09:22:06] <RyanS> so my BF30 mill arring next week, 700mm table width, 450mm x travel...... so 850mm flats hmm
[09:22:34] <MattyMatt> flatter table makes layout and set up easier. posh ones are as flat as surface tables
[09:22:51] <RyanS> so id flycut in two stages?
[09:23:13] <MattyMatt> no idea
[09:23:58] <MattyMatt> I do little stuff, and mostly wood so far
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[09:35:28] <RyanS> a wooden welding table perhaps :)
[09:37:29] <SpeedEvil> I wish wood would weld.
[09:37:36] <SpeedEvil> Well - grafting, but...
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[09:40:00] <archivist_herron> pva glue is as close to a weld as you will get probably
[09:41:30] <XXCoder> boo
[09:42:21] <SpeedEvil> archivist_herron: yeah, I know
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[09:43:20] <RyanS> i had no pva once so i used gorilla glue :)
[09:43:45] <RyanS> it *seemed* to work
[09:44:10] <SpeedEvil> Hotmelt is surprisingly good.
[09:44:21] <SpeedEvil> If only it would have a slightly larger temperature range
[09:44:38] <archivist_herron> I find it falls off too easy, like old animal glue
[09:45:20] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/MwLzBTf.jpg
[09:45:25] <zeeshan|2> SUCCESS
[09:45:36] <zeeshan|2> i dont know what material this was
[09:45:42] <zeeshan|2> but it was definitely not cold rolled stel
[09:45:47] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: woo
[09:46:01] <RyanS> why do people get a hot glue obsession like people who do craft are hot glue fanatics
[09:46:07] <zeeshan|2> you sniff it!
[09:46:23] <SpeedEvil> RyanS: It's _really_ fast - which is nice
[09:46:38] <SpeedEvil> And more adjustable than CA, and completely demountable with heat and no damage
[09:46:48] <SpeedEvil> faster than CA too often
[09:47:29] <RyanS> sniff it...so theyre literally addicted to hot glue :)
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[10:20:54] <dutchfish> hi guys (sorry if i ask the obvious), but where can i modify the parameters for the steppers, like steps per unit (i am using the metric system) and the portconfig for each stepper within in linuxcnc?
[10:22:06] <dutchfish> a link for a newby like me would be nice
[10:22:18] <archivist_herron> you have two files containing the settings, an .ini and a .hal all in the integrators manual
[10:22:44] <jthornton> how did you create the configuration?
[10:22:54] <jthornton> zeeshan|2, nice
[10:23:01] <archivist_herron> a cheat is to use stepconf to create your basic first setup
[10:23:20] <archivist_herron> it creates those two files
[10:23:31] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, thank you very much! thats what i was hoping for
[10:23:33] <jthornton> and a few more files
[10:23:40] <archivist_herron> from then on hand edit
[10:24:17] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, the 2.6.8 one?
[10:24:31] <archivist_herron> whatever version you are using
[10:24:42] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, let me check
[10:25:00] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, 2.6.0
[10:25:33] <archivist_herron> whatever stepconf will already be there, could be time to update it too
[10:25:45] <dutchfish> error 2.6.6
[10:25:56] <dutchfish> i see there are bug fixes in the chagelogs
[10:26:02] <dutchfish> changelogs
[10:26:29] <dutchfish> what would you recommend me? 2.6.8?
[10:26:50] <dutchfish> i need to install it again from scratch anyway
[10:27:46] <dutchfish> since my old pc just gave up on me
[10:28:17] <archivist_herron> 2.6.8 then
[10:28:20] <dutchfish> ok
[10:28:26] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, thanks again
[10:31:27] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, last q, is there an iso for 2.6.8? or is it still 2.6.4?
[10:31:52] <archivist_herron> that I dont know
[10:31:52] <dutchfish> nm, i just can upgrade
[10:32:14] <dutchfish> i dont need to redownload and burn it again
[10:32:33] <dutchfish> sorry
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[10:56:59] <dutchfish> i am running the live system as a test with the latency test 42000 max jitter, its a duo core with 1G mem, is that a suitable system?
[10:57:30] <dutchfish> (with glxgears running and some other things)
[11:01:10] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html#_latency_test_a_id_latency_test_a
[11:03:33] <dutchfish> jthornton, thanks :)
[11:04:09] <jthornton> yw
[11:04:48] <jthornton> the rain has started...
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[11:14:54] <dutchfish> jthornton, i already tested the setup with mach3 while building the cnc, that part is done now, so i want to install linuxcnc for the real work, now i have gained enough knowledge of machining parts
[11:27:22] * archivist_herron giggles, mach for testing, linuxcnc for real work
[11:28:41] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, well, i use debian jessie currently for the cad cam part, so its obvious to do the cnc part as well in the same envirenment which i am comfortable in
[11:29:24] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, i just have a steap learning curve about cnc maching in general ahead
[11:29:45] <archivist_herron> have you done manual machining?
[11:29:53] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, a bit, yes
[11:30:06] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, on a siege X3
[11:30:40] <archivist_herron> that helps a lot, you then have an idea of speeds and feeds and the noise a cut should make
[11:30:57] <dutchfish> archivist_herron, i am still a newb, but yes
[11:31:38] <dutchfish> so far no fire-extinguishers were needed
[11:32:03] <archivist_herron> a race to the stop button is common :)
[11:32:55] <dutchfish> well, i must admit i didnt even need to use that one, but i broke some mills in the process
[11:33:48] <dutchfish> mostly because the feed ins and feed out's were wrong
[11:34:06] <dutchfish> (just forgot to incorperate them)
[11:35:43] <dutchfish> some of my experiments in jessie
http://www.yellowsource.org/screenshots/
[11:36:38] <archivist_herron> we have all broken something
[11:36:49] <dutchfish> ;)
[11:39:33] <SpeedEvil> I broke my wookie.
[11:39:47] <dutchfish> wookie?
[11:40:00] <SpeedEvil> nvm. (simpsons)
[11:40:06] <dutchfish> ah ok, gotcha
[11:40:15] <dutchfish> dough
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[11:53:39] <dutchfish> ok, i have just installed from the iso, i am on wheezy (completely updated) to the 3.4.-9-rtai kernel, but linuxcnc is still 2.6.1, how to upgrade to 2.6.8?
[11:54:59] <dutchfish> does it have a separate repo?
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[12:02:17] <dutchfish> nevermind i need to redownload the iso after all, to get it to 2.6.4 then upgrade, dough
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[12:42:57] <JT-Shop> andypugh, always comes up with the clever ideas :)
[12:43:16] <archivist> what he do now :)
[12:43:40] <archivist> spindle at speed?
[12:43:49] <JT-Shop> forum post
[12:44:05] <archivist> I never browse there too slow
[12:45:40] <JT-Shop> I speed read so I miss a lot on slow forums
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[13:05:42] <nema34> morning
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[13:10:30] <nema34> hi sumpfralle
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[13:52:38] <PetefromTn_> Morning fellow linuxCNC Junkies!
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[14:06:49] <furrywolf> I'm not a junkie! I can stop whenever I want to!
[14:08:29] <PetefromTn_> SURE
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[14:20:16] <dutchfish> hi, i have managed to reinstall, with the latest iso-hybrid and update my system to 2.6.8, i have walked through the manual, to setup my par port, but it seams alot of ports the wizard want them to be inputs instead of outputs, see my table for the partports
http://www.yellowsource.org/screenshots/steppermotorsetup.png , how to do that? specially i am confused about the enable ports which seams to be m
[14:20:22] <dutchfish> issing in the wizzard.
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[14:21:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/40w-co2-laser-machine-software-training anyone know the spot size for this or similar import CO2 engravers?
[14:26:56] <dutchfish> is or is X enable equivalent to amplifier enable?
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[14:28:01] <CaptHindsight> dutchfish: it can be used for amp enable
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[14:29:47] <dutchfish> CaptHindsight, ok, thanks, i will try that
[14:30:16] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Parallel_port_pinouts.svg/350px-Parallel_port_pinouts.svg.png
[14:31:13] <CaptHindsight> as you can see some ports are only Inputs or Outputs and only 4 are Bidrectional
[14:31:15] <nema34> I need soe help with modify heat sink.
[14:31:21] <nema34> some*
[14:31:28] <CaptHindsight> what help?
[14:31:48] <nema34> dutchfish: very impressive qrz page!
[14:32:03] <dutchfish> nema34, oh, thanks 73
[14:32:30] <nema34> dutchfish: 88
[14:33:35] <nema34> I'm a tech, and my BF is extra
[14:34:07] <dutchfish> :)
[14:34:53] <nema34> but your more in to rf than we are.
[14:35:43] <dutchfish> well, i am sometimes a teacher, work in IT, studied chemistry and marinebiology, do radio amateur (licensed), and develop kernel stuff and like Debian
[14:36:21] <dutchfish> i am however new to cnc
[14:36:30] <nema34> very nice!
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[14:37:09] <dutchfish> so bare with me if i ask the obvious ....
[14:38:04] <nema34> I'm also fresh to cnc, but l'm lerning now to engineer degree, and more in to modeling and stuff like that.
[14:38:26] <dutchfish> nema34, excellent
[14:38:32] <nema34> I have G0407 with high power servo motors
[14:39:17] <nema34> now I'm wating to the computer.. rendering soo sloow.
[14:39:32] <nema34> GT9400 :(
[14:39:34] <dutchfish> nema34, my setup is now misumi actuators and 2 thk's for the xy axis in total 4 axis, but my interface can for the time being just do 3
[14:40:08] <dutchfish> nema34, enough to get my hunger for alu radio parts stilled ;)
[14:40:48] <nema34> to you want to machine metals or just soft materials?
[14:40:50] <dutchfish> nema34, at least, that is what i hope to accomplish with the setup i am building
[14:41:14] <dutchfish> nema34, aluminium, hard plastics, expoxy boards, thats mostly it
[14:41:32] <dutchfish> nema34, for pcb's frontpanels and small alu-parts
[14:41:44] <nema34> and what you are plan to use as a spindle?
[14:42:29] <nema34> i like aluminum. the machine eat it like crasy..
[14:42:33] <dutchfish> nema34, i use now a KRESS 1050 FME-1 , but ordered a watercooled BLDC with controller from Siemens 2.2kW
[14:42:58] <dutchfish> nema34, the kress has too much rpm to my likings
[14:43:29] <dutchfish> nema34, the min is 5000rpm and the power output is then to low
[14:43:43] <nema34> my spindle is the original that come with the machine just 1hp, up to 1900 rpm
[14:44:06] <dutchfish> nema34, nice
[14:45:15] <nema34> in my case if I'm try to take high chip load the mahcine feel flexible.
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[14:46:17] <dutchfish> nema34, yes, my first expiriment without the actuators and guidances gave pretty simular results
[14:46:32] <nema34> and it is almost quarter of a ton
[14:46:46] <nema34> probbly more with the motors..
[14:47:10] <dutchfish> hihihi, yes, weight can be an issue for a sturdy setup too
[14:47:14] <norias> you probably should match drive motors to spindle
[14:47:30] <norias> but, eh, i never sat down to do the machine design problems
[14:47:59] <nema34> the machin is heav top.
[14:48:04] <dutchfish> well, my setup is rigid now, but it breaks mills easely
[14:48:19] <norias> why do you think that is?
[14:48:39] <dutchfish> norias, to high feed rate i gues
[14:48:46] <norias> not a bad guess
[14:48:56] <norias> ever measure runout at the spindle?
[14:48:59] <dutchfish> norias, or to low spindle rpm for that feed
[14:49:22] <archivist> climb milling on a flexible machine or one with backlash too
[14:49:32] <nema34> frobably off center + hight chip load
[14:50:14] <archivist> probably most cutting is off centre
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[14:50:19] <dutchfish> i gues with more torque and less rpm for the spindle it will go better in harder materials like machined stell parts or brons
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[14:51:08] <nema34> I mean the backlesh make the end mill to vibrate
[14:51:12] * dutchfish is studying the machinist handbook day by day now
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[14:51:51] <dutchfish> nema34, i have no problem anymore with vibrations
[14:51:58] <archivist> back lash means the cutter can pull the machine too deep when climb milling
[14:52:10] <dutchfish> archivist, very true
[14:53:07] <dutchfish> archivist, that ended one of my mills in a former setup
[14:53:35] <nema34> or make it jump profile milling (side)
[14:54:24] <nema34> I'm more than a year work just manual.
[14:54:30] <archivist> cam programs usually use climb milling for its better finish, but old manual machines were operated with conventional milling so they pushed apart to avoid that problem
[14:54:57] <archivist> I write my gcode to use conventional
[14:55:11] <dutchfish> archivist, manually?
[14:55:22] <archivist> yes
[14:55:33] <dutchfish> oh wow, i want to learn that to one day
[14:55:59] <archivist> linuxcnc has loops etc so can be expressive
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[14:56:11] <dutchfish> really?
[14:56:21] <dutchfish> i will delve into that
[14:56:30] <archivist> and conditionals and variables etc
[14:57:01] <dutchfish> it would be nce to have something that produces for example gcode on the fly for a pocket operation and then manually alter it to my needs
[14:57:06] <dutchfish> nice*
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[14:57:07] <nema34> the rendering kill my computer :(
[14:57:19] <nema34> I've stop it. :((
[14:57:38] <archivist> dutchfish, there are some plug in wzzards for that
[14:57:54] <dutchfish> archivist, nice, i delve into that too as a next stop
[14:58:30] <dutchfish> archivist, i have seen this done somewhere with python code
[14:58:41] <dutchfish> but i cant remember where
[14:58:55] <archivist> I think python is the hard way :)
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[14:59:27] <dutchfish> nema34, i solved rendering problems with inserting an ATI card and using the opensource code inside wheezy for the drm setup
[15:00:37] <dutchfish> nema34, rv60x do run hw accelerated out of the box in wheezy
[15:01:14] <dutchfish> archivist, how you did it?
[15:05:23] <archivist> for gears I have a bit of gcode to step the rotary and cut on another axis, just has constants and some loops
[15:05:23] <dutchfish> archivist, wow, you should make a wiki for that or a vid, excellent
[15:05:51] <archivist> it is this simple
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/standard_clock_n_teeth.ngc
[15:07:28] <dutchfish> archivist, for you it is simple, for me: i have to learn the intrensics of gcode first ;) but i safe it for later. Thanks!
[15:08:05] <archivist> note that assumes my machine and axis directions etc
[15:08:13] <dutchfish> archivist, noted
[15:08:48] <archivist> my machine before it gained an axis too :)
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[15:09:48] <dutchfish> archivist, apropos nice things on your homepage! kudos
[15:11:21] <archivist> eg even some of the maths for this can be crammed in the gcode constants
http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[15:12:07] <dutchfish> archivist, wow, now we are cooking. Nice.
[15:12:47] <archivist> note the E&OE at the bottom, some work to finish off
[15:13:13] <dutchfish> its totally out of my lague, but i will digest it later
[15:16:22] <nema34> http://i.imgur.com/xshJ5Sp.png
[15:16:36] <nema34> i need some help with the modification in pink/
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[15:17:42] <archivist> nema34, can you ask better questions
[15:19:31] <nema34> I've modeled the heatsink that i talk about it yesterday, and i need to trim the L shape brackets, and drill 4 holes
[15:20:17] <nema34> archivist: ^
[15:21:27] <archivist> help us help you, solidworkd problem, or linuxcnc problem or what
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[15:27:00] <nema34> this is how the heat sink look like now, (except of the holes of of course), - what it the steps that i need to do to make get code that will remove the L brackets and will drill the holes, and after I put the part in the vise, how I tell Linux cnc where it is. so it will drill it and trimm it precisely.
[15:27:04] <nema34> archivist: ^^
[15:27:10] <nema34> dutchfish: ^
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[15:28:02] <archivist> learn to touch off to find the 0,0 position
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[15:29:27] <archivist> is this a one off job or production
[15:29:28] <nema34> some guide? something?
[15:30:53] <archivist> there are few if any guides for specific jobs
[15:32:17] <archivist> most of use would use the mdi mode to drill at certain offsets x,y
[15:32:27] <nema34> I've allredy crash one heatsink yesrday, and the machine is VERY dangerous tool, so to keep self lerning and crash stuff that fly here at home - it is not a sulotion.
[15:32:56] <dutchfish> nema34, i wouldnt be of much help since i am using freecad and heeks
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[16:26:52] <zeeshan|2> has anyone here machined delrin or ptfe ?
[16:27:38] <archivist> might have used delrin
[16:28:13] <archivist> hard to know sometimes
[16:28:13] <zeeshan|2> i need a flanged bearing for my clutch pedal assembly
[16:28:21] <zeeshan|2> was thinking of turning my own since it might be faster
[16:28:55] <archivist> effin sharp tooling needed
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[16:29:17] <zeeshan|2> i have some ccgt inserts
[16:29:28] <zeeshan|2> positive rake
[16:29:32] <archivist> I would forget inserts
[16:29:33] <zeeshan|2> very sharp
[16:29:42] <SpeedEvil> nice HSS razor
[16:30:27] <zeeshan|2> i can use ptfe, delrin , nylon
[16:30:47] <archivist> do not let the plastic heat up either, it sure expands lots
[16:31:52] <archivist> I was making wrinkle wall disks ... oops
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[16:35:23] <zeeshan|2> maybe ill just use bronze bearings :/
[16:36:20] <archivist> I am always grinding bits of hss these days
[16:36:44] <archivist> for one offs faster than futzing with inserts
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[16:48:17] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gXGE-hOECM
[16:48:22] <zeeshan|2> man i want something like this for the 300C oven
[16:48:43] <zeeshan|2> theres gotta be a material that takes 300C and comes in a round form and can be easy to bend
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[16:52:31] <nema34> zeeshan|2: it is your video?
[16:52:34] <zeeshan|2> no
[16:53:17] <nema34> I don't know what to do with the machine.
[16:53:27] <PetefromTn_> machined and turned tons of delrin cuts like butter..
[16:53:38] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: what kind of tooling?
[16:53:52] <nema34> I'm soo lost :(
[16:53:53] <zeeshan|2> for turning
[16:54:03] <PetefromTn_> as said just some sharp tools works fine.
[16:54:13] <PetefromTn_> have used inserts as well with no problems.
[16:54:21] <zeeshan|2> ok i just dont wanna change tools :P
[16:54:25] <PetefromTn_> mostly hand ground
[16:54:41] <zeeshan|2> im thinking ptfe will machine similar to delrin
[16:54:43] <archivist> you can get ground inserts for extra monyz
[16:54:52] <zeeshan|2> archivist: trying to use what i have
[16:55:11] <zeeshan|2> i went through making a fixture to make those fish eye spacers cause i was too cheap to buy a 5c collet block
[16:55:12] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:55:23] <nema34> you can use some mist. but PTFE can hold some temperature
[16:55:43] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/cm8f03W.jpg
[16:55:51] <zeeshan|2> sexy
[16:55:57] <zeeshan|2> i like that toool path
[16:56:25] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ITTVAIm.jpg
[16:56:35] <PetefromTn_> not too shabby....;)
[16:56:42] <nema34> I'm in deep depression
[16:57:03] <archivist> if your cutter is not sharp enough, fuuuurrrrbies
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_18_Fan_gears/IMG_1267.JPG
[16:58:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:58:27] <nema34> what can I do with the machine?
[16:58:37] <PetefromTn_> damn are those 3d printed or something?
[16:58:42] <archivist> nema34, anything you want
[16:58:58] <archivist> PetefromTn_, no, cut on the 5 axis
[16:59:09] <nema34> now I just want it to machine something.
[16:59:23] <nema34> without make it fly.
[16:59:49] <archivist> go to a local college to learn machining
[16:59:49] <nema34> I can't undertend the gcode.
[17:00:05] <archivist> try it cutting air first
[17:00:06] <nema34> I'm realy want to make it work with solidcam.
[17:00:29] <nema34> I try it.
[17:00:46] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: how do you have patience to chamfer on the machine? :)
[17:00:58] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[17:01:13] <zeeshan|2> it takes extra time! :P
[17:01:14] <nema34> and I try also paper with marker - and it type the linux cnc logo very nice.
[17:01:20] <PetefromTn_> champfer ops are just seconds really
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[17:01:26] <sysdef> someone is milling/lathing gorilla plastic here? i thought it's a cheap material since you can reuse it again and again
[17:01:34] <zeeshan|2> i shot some videos yesterday of machining some stuff
[17:01:50] <nema34> but i don't able to bring code from solidcam to the machine.
[17:02:28] <PetefromTn_> on your machine?
[17:03:04] <nema34> PetefromTn_: what cam program you use?
[17:03:29] <PetefromTn_> CamBam
[17:03:59] <zeeshan|2> whats a free & easy to use video editting software
[17:04:00] <nema34> It has collision detection?
[17:04:04] <zeeshan|2> mostly for transitioning between videos
[17:04:54] <PetefromTn_> saw your throttle body video..
[17:05:18] <zeeshan|2> that was such a dull video haha
[17:05:26] <nema34> ?
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[17:05:36] <zeeshan|2> i wanna be able to fast forward through some machining
[17:05:36] <archivist> plain cut can be less jarring than fades and other ....
[17:05:37] <PetefromTn_> how did you located those bores and are they straight bores or tapered?
[17:05:38] <zeeshan|2> that would be nice
[17:06:11] <PetefromTn_> microsoft has a video editor I have used works decent
[17:06:11] <zeeshan|2> they are flat where the butterfly shaft goes through
[17:06:19] <zeeshan|2> i mean round not flat
[17:06:43] <zeeshan|2> i bolted the tb down square by eye to the table, then dialed one bore in with the indicator
[17:06:43] <PetefromTn_> how did you located the holes?
[17:06:46] <zeeshan|2> zero'ed
[17:06:55] <zeeshan|2> moved to the next hole, dialed it in, noted the position
[17:06:59] <zeeshan|2> and then the 3rd hole same thing
[17:07:03] <PetefromTn_> aah
[17:07:08] <zeeshan|2> then used those coordinates and made a helical boring path
[17:07:09] <PetefromTn_> works for me
[17:07:18] <zeeshan|2> yea you dont need to worry about it being square that way
[17:07:22] <nema34> PetefromTn_: cambam just make the gcode, or it's also simulate the machine?
[17:07:27] <PetefromTn_> I have been doing a lot of manual digitizing like that LOL
[17:07:39] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: try to bore those tbs?
[17:07:44] <zeeshan|2> you can make 350
[17:07:55] <zeeshan|2> you hang out with those rx7 guys
[17:07:56] <PetefromTn_> CamBam just allows you to make G-code they have a free simulator program that goes with it or there are others online.
[17:08:13] <zeeshan|2> if i were to go back and do it, id use a boring head
[17:08:13] <PetefromTn_> ?
[17:08:36] <PetefromTn_> Kinda surprised you did not try to taper the bore towards the top ;)
[17:08:49] <zeeshan|2> or helical bore with end mill then hone it after
[17:09:05] <zeeshan|2> i didnt cause he already manually ported the transition by hand, so it was going to be hard to blend
[17:09:07] <PetefromTn_> is that for an RX7?
[17:09:22] <zeeshan|2> i just did round holes then used sand paper to blend the entry
[17:09:26] <zeeshan|2> yes
[17:10:52] <nema34> someone here from NY/NJ/PA?
[17:11:38] <nema34> I'm in NY
[17:12:00] <t12> l
[17:12:30] <nema34> ?
[17:25:29] <PetefromTn_> Never looked at the throttle body really..
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[18:27:42] <nema34> solidcam show the part inside the table instade of on the table.
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[18:32:10] <jthornton> nema34, look on the user map
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[18:35:09] <nema34> http://i.imgur.com/VOFTTky.png
[18:35:15] <nema34> jthornton: ^
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[18:41:31] <zeeshan|2> fastenal is retarded
[18:41:35] <jthornton> I have no idea why you wanted to waste my limited bandwidth with that image
[18:41:50] <zeeshan|2> i call in and the first thing they say is we don't sell to residential
[18:41:51] <zeeshan|2> wtf?
[18:41:55] <zeeshan|2> what made them think i wanted it for residential
[18:41:56] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:42:02] <zeeshan|2> i need some shoulder bolts
[18:42:24] <jthornton> sounds like he needs an attitude adjustment
[18:42:36] <zeeshan|2> i get this attitude from most astenal stores
[18:42:39] <zeeshan|2> its a terrible company
[18:42:45] <zeeshan|2> getting sick of it :/
[18:42:48] <jthornton> and he is full of it cause they sell to anyone with money
[18:43:00] <jthornton> it ain't the company it's your local guy
[18:43:10] <zeeshan|2> ive called 3 different stores today
[18:43:13] <zeeshan|2> they have so much attitude
[18:43:17] <jthornton> my fastenal is great cause the guys working there are great
[18:43:21] <zeeshan|2> ah
[18:43:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: If you worked there, you would have an attitude too =)
[18:43:57] <jthornton> they don't pay well
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[18:46:49] <zeeshan|2> only reason i called them is cause i saw stock.
[18:46:56] <zeeshan|2> so i was like okay, ill just pick it up today
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[18:47:09] <zeeshan|2> called my main go to store and they're so awesome.. "9am tomorrow morning"
[18:47:28] <zeeshan|2> having a poor attitude because you're not getting paid well is no excuse, find a new job.
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[18:56:12] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: "Fuck you and your suck attitude!"
[18:59:44] <Jymmm> Has anyone seen one of these in operation/used one?
http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Stainless-Household-Outdoor-Barbecue/dp/B00DGWWQ56/
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[19:03:24] <Tom_itx> local fastenal is ok but i don't go there much
[19:04:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 you didn't have 'ass' written on your forehead when you went in did you?
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[19:05:00] <Tom_itx> ok i'm determined to get this control working...
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[20:00:29] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, having fun?
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[20:14:27] <Jymmm> Heh, lpg brazing =)
[20:15:37] <Jymmm> I like his "cross slide vise" (end of video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsiOtYPny_k
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[20:49:15] <PetefromTn_> The Fastenal by me is pretty damn good and they sell to everyone... Must be a Canada thing LOL
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[20:51:15] <malcom2073> Yeah the one near me is amazing, they always have what I need, and they sell to anything. I blame Canada :P
[20:51:20] <malcom2073> to anyone*
[20:54:10] <Jymmm> I blame canada for everyone too
[20:54:18] <Jymmm> ;)
[20:55:35] <malcom2073> "It's ok, I have canadian friends, they're ok with it"
[20:55:43] <Jymmm> lol
[20:58:03] <PetefromTn_> those CRAZY CANADIANS!!
[21:00:45] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:32:41] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, absolutely
[22:33:10] <Tom_itx> i moved the 7i84 so hopefully the serial signal will be better isolated
[22:33:23] <Tom_itx> gonna test after i feed
[22:33:53] <Tom_itx> if this doesn't work, all the io is going back on the 7i90
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[22:43:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Just put everythign down and walk away. Go grab a beer/hooker/ice cream, whatever, just walk away for a few.
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[22:53:42] <PCW> Tom_itx: I still suspect a a serial wiring error, the differential RS-422 com is very robust
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[23:02:25] * JT-Shop made a simple G code from HSMExpress so it is time to veg
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[23:13:10] <Tom_itx> PCW i haven't rewired the serial since i added the board. i seriously doubt it's wired wrong
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[23:35:13] <Tom_itx> i did just verify the wiring though
[23:35:44] <Tom_itx> using mesaflash for the software side
[23:44:02] <Tom_itx> still get invalid cookie
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[23:50:11] <micges> Tom_itx: what's the problem with cookie?
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[23:52:54] <Tom_itx> hm2_7i90.0.7i84.0.0 error = (1) invalid cookie
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[23:55:25] <Tom_itx> DoIt not cleared from previous servo thread. Servo thread rate probably too fast......
[23:56:15] <Tom_itx> SERVO_PERIOD = 1000000
[23:56:37] <micges> did you put read at first place and write at end of addf list?
[23:57:19] <Tom_itx> not sure what you're asking
[23:58:33] <micges> hm2_7i90.0.read must be first in hal and hm2_7i90.0.write must be last
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[23:58:39] <micges> to sserial to work
