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[00:10:50] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, how do i address the 'in-not' gate on the 7i84? i've currently got: hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-07 but i'd like the inverted input
[00:12:00] <Tom_itx> and why do i get so many comm errors on it?
[00:12:21] <Tom_itx> one time it said the servo thread was running too fast?
[00:13:10] <Tom_itx> bak in a few..
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[00:24:25] <furrywolf> well, didn't find the perfect metal at the scrapyard, but I think I found close enough. turns out the enclosure is going to be very, very sturdy.
[00:24:48] <andypugh> 1” plate?
[00:25:08] <furrywolf> not quite that sturdy.
[00:25:21] <furrywolf> 3/16 or so. lol
[00:25:36] * furrywolf grabs calipers (thickness gauge being awol) and checks
[00:28:15] <furrywolf> bottom plate is 3/16, everything else is 1/8. drive mounts are .325, which is..? something between 5/16 and 3/8.
[00:28:36] <furrywolf> corners are going to be joined with 1+1/4" angle, 1/8" thick.
[00:30:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/description >$1M so far and 3 weeks to go
[00:31:09] <furrywolf> to save space, I'm mounting the drives vertically on 5" by 2" by .325 alu. it's .325 at the end, gets thicker towards the bend. I figure this'll move the heat to the outside of the box effectively, where I'll mount the heatsink. I plan on having it sealed, so no fans or internal heatsinks.
[00:32:59] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: how long is the 5x2?
[00:33:12] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: they need to unfuck EU shipping ($20)
[00:33:32] <SpeedEvil> And that $30 means it is no longer a 'low value' consignment, so gets an extra $10 fee, $6 in VAT
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[00:33:43] <SpeedEvil> So $46 or so for a $9 item
[00:33:46] <furrywolf> I got 2ft of it. I'll cut it into 4" wide pieces, as that's how wide the drive is. I'll need to notch the bottom corners to clear the angle that makes up the edge of the box, but not too badly.
[00:33:48] <CaptHindsight> yup
[00:34:44] <furrywolf> I'll be mounting them _|D_|D_|D_|D_|D, where _| is the heavy angle, and D is the drive.
[00:35:05] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: I'm going to post the same version A13 board deign files only with discrete DDR and NAND vs the POP module
[00:35:50] <furrywolf> then that'll bolt to the heavy bottom plate in the box (3/16" alu) with more thermal grease, then if that runs hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to the outside of the box, with more thermal grease.
[00:36:11] <CaptHindsight> sorry SpeedEvil vs furrywolf
http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php?board=42.0 when i get some time
[00:37:07] <furrywolf> yeah, I was wondering why you were telling me things that didn't make any sense. :P
[00:37:20] <CaptHindsight> I have to see if the A13 POP is available in China
[00:37:28] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: sorry, long day :)
[00:38:02] <furrywolf> any comments on drive mounting? obviously it's not thermally ideal, but they don't seem to get warm just sitting in open air, so they should stay nice and cold
[00:38:11] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: which drives?
[00:38:16] <furrywolf> centent cn0165
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[00:39:26] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: keep the surfaces as flat as possible between the drive and alu angle
[00:40:00] <CaptHindsight> use a heat sink compound, keep the distance from the drive to the outside air as short as possible
[00:40:27] <furrywolf> yes. I mentioned thermal grease several times. :P
[00:40:57] <CaptHindsight> I see that the drive has a nice heat plate for conduction
[00:41:17] <furrywolf> yep. that nice plate will be bolted to the heavy angle, which then bolts to the heavy plate at the bottom of the box.
[00:41:35] <furrywolf> it's still a long thermal path, but as I said, the drives seem to run barely warm just sitting in open air.
[00:41:58] <CaptHindsight> since you're using conduction from inside the enclosure all the connections should be as solid as possible
[00:42:11] <CaptHindsight> flat with compound
[00:42:14] <furrywolf> yep
[00:42:20] <CaptHindsight> I could model it for you
[00:42:40] <CaptHindsight> do you know the alloy for the angle?
[00:42:46] <furrywolf> nope
[00:42:51] <furrywolf> aluminum. :P
[00:42:55] <furrywolf> it's all $1.50/lb.
[00:43:09] <CaptHindsight> does it look extruded?
[00:43:21] <furrywolf> it feels like a cheaper structual grade, while the bottom plate is a much harder-sounding shiny grade
[00:43:23] <furrywolf> yes
[00:43:28] <CaptHindsight> it won't matter that much
[00:43:57] <CaptHindsight> whats the enclosure made from?
[00:44:17] <CaptHindsight> how far from the drive to the outside face of the enclosure?
[00:44:19] <furrywolf> aluminum. as I said, the part I'll be bolting to is 3/16" plate.
[00:44:52] <furrywolf> the drive will be on-end. one end of the drive will be butted against the enclosure (well, maybe 1/8" for working room), the other end will be 4.5" from the enclosure.
[00:45:43] <CaptHindsight> that should run cool
[00:46:03] <furrywolf> if the outside of the enclosure gets hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to it.
[00:46:08] <furrywolf> but I don't think it will.
[00:46:27] <CaptHindsight> most aluminum alloys are >100W/mK
[00:46:36] <furrywolf> the angle is .325 in the middle, and gets very thick (maybe 1/2" - I didn't measure) around the bend.
[00:46:43] <CaptHindsight> and you're not traveling far
[00:46:58] <andypugh> I eventually managed to figure out Vismach:
https://youtu.be/5OnV-zyVO8U
[00:47:03] <furrywolf> it's actually 6" channel, but I'll be getting 1.25" off the end to make it 4.75" angle.
[00:47:07] <furrywolf> cutting
[00:47:55] <CaptHindsight> since the enclosure is sealed and all aluminum you can even add a fan to the inside to just circulate air
[00:48:24] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what the overall surface area of the enclosure? several sq ft?
[00:48:49] <furrywolf> it won't be completely sealed... I'm not using airtight connectors, gaskets, etc. just no holes big enough for swarf or the occasional coolant splash to get into, since it'll be bolted right to the machine.
[00:49:52] <furrywolf> the box will be 20.5" wide, 18" tall, and 5.25" deep. the bottom plate, where I'm bolting the drives, is 20.25" by 5" by 3/16".
[00:49:54] <CaptHindsight> I've had several hundreds of watts of cpu and gpu in sealed aluminum enclosures smaller than yours
[00:50:27] <furrywolf> my first thought was to mount the drives to the back panel, but they take up a lot of room that way, making very inefficient use of the space.
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[00:53:22] <furrywolf> five of them, with room for wiring, is about half the usable surface of the back panel
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[00:54:38] <furrywolf> 20.5in - 1.25in * 2 (angle that makes up the corners) by 18in - 1.25in * 2 is 279in2. the drives are 4 by 4.5", figure 2" for wiring on the long side, is 130in2...
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[00:55:05] <furrywolf> I could just do that... it'll save me a lot of cutting... but I'm worried I'll run out of box space.
[00:55:28] <furrywolf> the power supply I built I'll bolt to a bracket that'll be about 9" by 6"... there's another 54in2...
[00:56:06] <CaptHindsight> you can always add more heat spreader to the outside of the enclosure if it gets too warm later
[00:56:33] <furrywolf> there's space taken up by plugs, switches, etc mounted to the side panels... I'll need a 24v supply too... then the breakout board or mesa board... SSR for the spindle...
[00:56:35] <CaptHindsight> but you should be fine with the short distance from drive to case external surface
[00:56:39] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> if the outside of the enclosure gets hot, I'll bolt a heatsink to it.
[00:57:25] <CaptHindsight> so just focus on making it fit the way you want
[00:58:04] <furrywolf> mounting everything to the back would let me build a nice 2" thick box instead of a 5" box, if it all fit... mounting things at right angles makes much better use of space. :)
[00:58:24] <furrywolf> well, 3.5" thick, would still need to fit the 3" diameter power supply cap and ~3" thick transformer.
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[01:03:58] <PCW> Tom_itx: hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-07-not
[01:03:59] <PCW> or if in doubt just:
[01:04:01] <PCW> halcmd show pin
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[01:26:37] <Tom_itx> ok
[01:27:34] <Tom_itx> any idea why the comm error started showing up?
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[01:31:25] * furrywolf is hungry, and noses around people's kitchens looking for good food
[01:35:53] <furrywolf> what's the easiest way to get something that tightly fits a 7/8" square shaft? I could try finding 1+1/4" box with a 3/16" wall, but it always has rounded corners...
[01:37:53] <furrywolf> I could go for a larger size tubing and weld scraps of plate in it to make a nice square inside, but that's a lot of work...
[01:39:00] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: is hammering said shaft through a tightly fitting orifice an option?
[01:39:22] <SpeedEvil> Also - is there a reason you can't relieve the cornets of the shaft?
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[01:49:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: permanently?
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[01:51:33] <norias> hi
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[01:56:10] <furrywolf> no. it has a hole and a pin that goes through it.
[01:56:12] <Tom_itx> train just derailed in fillie
[01:56:38] <furrywolf> I was thinking I could file the corners of the box square, but it's 2" deep, and that's a lot of filing...
[01:56:57] <furrywolf> hrmm. on a completely unrelated topic, my batteries don't like me running the dryer and the microwave at once.
[01:57:49] <furrywolf> my auger has a 7/8" square output shaft, which seems uncommon. all the cheap bits are a round shaft. want to weld up a little adapter.
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[02:03:02] <norias> do it
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[02:04:00] <furrywolf> I can't find a common size steel tube with a 7/8" inside... 1.25" seems oddly uncommon...
[02:04:46] <cradek> Tom_itx: I definitely agree with your inclination to check pendant/halui stuff
[02:06:19] <Tom_itx> cradek, i'd forgotten i had remapped some gpio to the 7i84 but forgot to change the file. however that hasn't cured all
[02:06:37] <Tom_itx> i did that while rewiring the control
[02:06:51] <Tom_itx> it's still behaving odd
[02:06:58] <Tom_itx> but i'm still checking wiring too
[02:07:27] <Tom_itx> i can't explain the comm error
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[02:13:31] <renesis> furrywolf: i wonder of thats a standard giant socket size
[02:15:05] <furrywolf> not likely. heh.
[02:16:00] <renesis> heh, first links that pops up for 7/8" square drive is some auger on amazon
[02:16:58] <furrywolf> the 7/8" square ones cost five times what the 3/4" round ones do. many brands invent their own shafts to make sure you have to buy their accessories to go with their tools...
[02:18:23] <renesis> the round ones just use a pin to keep from spinning?
[02:19:14] <furrywolf> yep
[02:19:40] <furrywolf> which probably also provides a bit of safety, in that it shears if you repeatedly ram it into a chunk of concrete...
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[02:21:58] <renesis> guys how do i hold a guitar body and reference after flip
[02:22:38] <Tom_itx> common part would be it's centerline
[02:22:56] <renesis> and i just mark it?
[02:23:05] <Tom_itx> somehow
[02:23:16] <Tom_itx> are there any holes in it you can reference to?
[02:23:55] <renesis> neck holes, pot holes
[02:24:25] <renesis> so the problem is theyre both into pockets, and the pockets are on opposite sides
[02:24:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RNG2wk6.jpg
[02:24:38] <zeeshan> 10 thou skin worked well
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[02:25:12] <renesis> how are you attaching the pedal?
[02:25:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uTxtgLx.png
[02:25:38] <Tom_itx> make an opposite fixture to hold it?
[02:25:45] <renesis> haha you could screw into the arm
[02:26:03] <Tom_itx> and have guide pins or something in the fixture itself to reference from
[02:26:35] <zeeshan> 4 flute seems to work like shit on aluminum
[02:26:38] <zeeshan> without coolant..
[02:26:49] <Tom_itx> i don't use 4flute on aluminum
[02:26:51] <renesis> well, okay so i think overcimplicating doing the pockets and controls
[02:26:56] <zeeshan> 2 flute?
[02:27:02] <Tom_itx> yep
[02:27:06] <Tom_itx> some here will say 3
[02:27:16] <Tom_itx> but i've always gone with 2
[02:27:19] <zeeshan> with 4 flute theres not enough chip evac
[02:27:23] <zeeshan> 2 flute makes sense to me.
[02:27:26] <zeeshan> tons of room for chip evac
[02:27:35] <Tom_itx> it's kinda hard to mic a 3flute mill
[02:27:40] <zeeshan> lol
[02:28:14] <Tom_itx> 4 are for steel etc
[02:28:22] <Tom_itx> chips come off smaller
[02:28:45] <renesis> hmm, i could do pockets for controls and neck last
[02:28:51] <norias> there's special mikes for 3flute
[02:28:53] <norias> actually
[02:28:54] <renesis> and leave drills full depth
[02:29:04] <norias> you could probably make one
[02:29:13] <norias> with a standard micrometer head
[02:29:13] <renesis> norias: do they look scary?
[02:29:36] <norias> http://www.amazon.com/Brown-Sharpe-3-Flute-Outside-Micrometer/dp/B007PSTW1I
[02:29:44] * renesis picturing some three pincer torture device looking thing
[02:29:51] <zeeshan> let me buy 10 of them @ 1091$!
[02:29:59] <renesis> cool thats not scary at all
[02:30:00] <norias> hmmm
[02:30:11] <norias> i guess you'd have to do some math on that
[02:30:22] <norias> i don't see that being direct reading
[02:30:41] <Tom_itx> it's hardly worth the special tools just to use 3flute
[02:30:45] <renesis> why it wouldnt be linear?
[02:31:10] <renesis> i think they would just have to get the v angle right
[02:31:11] <zeeshan> because the point of contact of a cylinder changes
[02:31:12] <zeeshan> based on side
[02:31:16] <zeeshan> *size
[02:31:16] <norias> yeah
[02:31:31] <norias> damnit, now i'm making a sketch
[02:31:40] <zeeshan> but since you know the angle of the v groove
[02:31:44] <renesis> yeah but if they get the v right it maybe cancels the offset from that
[02:31:46] <renesis> shrug
[02:32:35] <zeeshan> interesting trig problem
[02:32:36] <renesis> micrometers with exponential ticks would be rad
[02:32:42] <zeeshan> on solving it based on the angle haha
[02:33:04] <jdh> 3 point mic
[02:34:15] <renesis> zeeshan: it would be faster in solidworks
[02:34:20] <renesis> even in autocad
[02:34:43] <zeeshan> why do you need it
[02:34:45] <zeeshan> its just a triangle..
[02:34:53] <renesis> head cnc instructor was a badass with trig, hed be like AND NOW YOU DO THESE TRIG PROBLEMS...
[02:34:56] <zeeshan> if you know the angle of the traingle and the micrometer reading
[02:34:58] <zeeshan> you know the diameter..
[02:35:15] <renesis> and i just flip the laptop around with the shit in cad, with the angle measured out
[02:35:31] * Tom_itx has measured 15 2 flute by this time
[02:35:43] <jdh> heh
[02:35:51] <renesis> going really slow, too
[02:35:53] <jdh> make a cut, measure it
[02:36:33] <jdh> we have lots of 3-point mics at work. twist, read
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[02:37:32] <renesis> yeah im guessing the angle of the v makes the output linear somehow
[02:37:42] <Tom_itx> yeah we had a set of inside mics for holes
[02:37:54] <Tom_itx> didn't use them that often though
[02:38:17] <jdh> these are external, for measuring cylinders
[02:38:23] <renesis> on place i worked had some pretty big ones for measuring subwoofer magnets
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[02:39:00] <renesis> the unmagnetized ferrites, and then these ridiculous 3ft vernier calipers
[02:39:23] * furrywolf has a 2ft vernier caliper
[02:39:29] <renesis> there were three, one was cut with a saw and welded back
[02:39:33] <renesis> no one knew why
[02:39:48] <renesis> same place had a 2x3' granite inspection block
[02:39:56] <renesis> giant crack in it
[02:40:30] <jdh> we have a 4x20 one.
[02:40:43] <jdh> it has been almost scrapped repeatedly
[02:40:55] <renesis> how thick?
[02:41:18] * furrywolf has no fancy measuring tools
[02:41:22] <jdh> dunno. it's massive.
[02:41:24] <renesis> how the fuck do you move that
[02:41:39] <jdh> the stand is massive
[02:41:54] <renesis> comes on its own truck and shit
[02:42:00] <jdh> other building has a vertical one about that size
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[02:42:32] <jdh> they have it certified every year. has some angular adjustment to keep the face perpendicular
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[02:43:10] <renesis> wow so the table is adjustable, besides being massive?
[02:43:45] <jdh> I has some sort of tilt mechanism
[02:44:21] <renesis> this is for aerospace stuff?
[02:44:22] <jdh> don't recall much other than that. Massive block
[02:44:32] <jdh> nuclear
[02:44:38] <renesis> oh, cool
[02:45:07] <renesis> thats prob more important that launching test pilots into outer space
[02:56:15] <furrywolf> looks like I'm going to be stuck shimming larger box down to 7/8... probably not too hard.
[02:57:29] <zeeshan> lol
[02:57:36] <zeeshan> wow im so out of trig , i finally solved this 3 mic prob
[02:57:40] <zeeshan> good refresher
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[03:04:43] <furrywolf> I was pretty good at trig back when I did raytracing stuff, but that was a while ago.
[03:06:07] <furrywolf> taking a ray and seeing which object (out of possibly millions) it hits, where on the object, what angle it hit the object, what plane is tangential to the surface at that point, etc, etc...
[03:08:38] <zeeshan> gotta keep doing it
[03:08:40] <zeeshan> to stay in shape
[03:08:41] <furrywolf> then there was the photon mapping... never got it finished, but that was even more trig!
[03:08:45] <zeeshan> i like to solve random problems like this to warm up
[03:08:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/40MV3bV.jpg
[03:08:58] <zeeshan> im pretty sure this is the solution
[03:09:08] <zeeshan> assuming the V angle is 45 (likely is)
[03:09:15] <furrywolf> my internet connection is sucking too badly tonight to even think of loading images.
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[03:09:25] <zeeshan> the reading on your mic will just be 2 times the radius of the circle
[03:09:29] <zeeshan> or simply the diameter
[03:09:29] <zeeshan> haha
[03:10:16] <furrywolf> slowly loading image
[03:11:20] <furrywolf> I don't get it. you're trying to measure a 3-flute cutter? why are the sides different lengths?
[03:12:01] <zeeshan> the two side a's are the faces of the V angle on the mic
[03:12:14] <zeeshan> the side b is where the mic's anvil makes contact on the end mill
[03:12:22] <furrywolf> oh, I don't have mics with vees. lol
[03:12:34] <zeeshan> we were talkin about that 3 point mic thing
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[03:13:42] <zeeshan> im almost dead positive that they make those 3 point mics 45 deg angle
[03:13:45] <zeeshan> cause then the reading is the diameter
[03:13:52] * zeeshan checks
[03:14:20] <zeeshan> hmm doesnt look like 45 deg
[03:14:28] <zeeshan> looks like 60 deg
[03:14:51] <furrywolf> 60 would make more sense. measuring a 3-sided cutter with a 45 degree vee will result in the cutter sitting in too far
[03:15:04] <Tom_itx> uhh
[03:15:07] <Tom_itx> yeah....
[03:15:18] <zeeshan> so i guess X != diameter then
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[03:19:21] <zeeshan> ok redid the math,
[03:19:34] <zeeshan> micrometer reading (x) = (2/3)*D
[03:20:16] <zeeshan> enough math for tonight
[03:20:19] <furrywolf> lol
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[03:20:40] <zeeshan> actually before i give up, gonna check solution in cad :p
[03:21:07] <norias> 60 doesn't work
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[03:36:52] <furrywolf> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/archive/PIA19547.gif ceres has shiny spots
[03:37:24] <norias> someone left the lights on
[03:39:04] <furrywolf> or, more likely, it has ice. which is pretty significant for space exploration.
[03:40:52] <renesis> zeeshan: its linear, so they could scale the reading up by 1.5 and it would read direct, if 2d/3 is correct
[03:41:14] <zeeshan> no idea if the solution is correct :P
[03:41:17] <zeeshan> check with a 3 point mic!
[03:41:26] <renesis> you just guessed?
[03:41:35] <zeeshan> no i just equated areas
[03:41:36] <renesis> and why i have sw installed
[03:41:49] <furrywolf> linear makes sense to me. the contact points are always a certain ratio of the radius away. that ratio doesn't change with size.
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[03:42:16] <furrywolf> I'd be woried if it wasn't linear. :)
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[03:57:54] <furrywolf> I only dream in black and white... I only dream 'cause I'm alive... I only dream in black and white... to save my from myself...
[03:58:06] * furrywolf listens to iron maiden at a volume that's probably excessive for the time of night
[03:58:11] <norias> nice
[03:58:21] <norias> i don't always run for the hills
[03:58:24] <norias> but when i do
[03:58:27] <norias> i run for my life
[03:58:28] <renesis> wtf how close is your closest neighbor?
[03:58:45] <furrywolf> you mean "how loud is your stereo" :P
[03:59:11] <renesis> prob not that loud
[03:59:16] <furrywolf> I think you know I have a half dozen square feet of woofers in here... :P
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[03:59:19] <norias> there really isn't a max volume on iron maiden
[03:59:20] <renesis> considering its 30 year old home stuff
[03:59:56] <renesis> i was just saying, i didnt think you were close enough to neighbors for it to matter
[04:00:11] <renesis> i live in apartment with people on both sides i get pretty loud
[04:00:34] <renesis> tho, theres prob like a dozen frathouses within three blocks
[04:01:12] <furrywolf> if you listen to loud music in an apartment, there's a term for people like you.
[04:01:36] <norias> that's how megadeth got started
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[04:01:37] <norias> btw
[04:01:58] <renesis> furrywolf: asshole
[04:02:04] <furrywolf> yep, that's the one!
[04:02:18] <renesis> but my neighbor is a fuckhead drunk who broke my door once and got me stuck in my apartment
[04:02:32] <renesis> and the girls in front, well they dont say anything
[04:02:36] <norias> david ellefson was playing real loud
[04:02:43] <norias> dave mustaine got annoyed
[04:02:46] <norias> that's how they met
[04:03:03] * furrywolf would rate "dream of mirrors" as one of iron maiden's most underrated songs
[04:03:22] <renesis> listening
[04:04:27] <renesis> this is actually a way clean recording
[04:04:46] <renesis> just letting you know because you would never know on your frankensystem
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[04:05:34] <renesis> this song does not rock
[04:05:46] <renesis> damn 7:00 left
[04:06:19] <furrywolf> you can look but you can't touch, I don't think I like you much, heaven knows what a girl can do, heaven knows what you've got to prove... I think I'm paranoid, and complicated, I think I'm paranoid, manipulated... bend me baby any way you need me all I want is you bend me baby breakin' down is easy all I want is you...
[04:06:26] * furrywolf loves random
[04:06:38] <furrywolf> and typing lyrics realtime is good typing practice. :)
[04:06:55] <renesis> yeah fuck this iron maiden shit ill listen to that
[04:07:02] <furrywolf> lol
[04:07:25] <furrywolf> norias: I think renesis doesn't appreciate good music.
[04:07:29] <renesis> much better
[04:07:44] <renesis> whatever that maiden shit was a bad as rush
[04:08:10] <furrywolf> no, you can listen to iron maiden _without_ doing meth.
[04:08:21] <renesis> shirly not trying to sound like an opera singer fucking a sheep
[04:08:34] <furrywolf> lol
[04:08:35] <renesis> so now rush fans are meth heads?
[04:08:39] <furrywolf> now?
[04:08:44] <norias> shit.
[04:08:49] * norias exits convo.
[04:08:53] <furrywolf> lol
[04:10:20] <norias> i like rush
[04:10:23] <norias> fu
[04:10:35] <renesis> i dont like the vocals
[04:11:03] <norias> i like the lyrics
[04:11:05] <norias> often
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[04:11:41] <renesis> no idea, i cant get over his voice enough to listen to much
[04:12:03] <furrywolf> hrmm, this one is harder. the sad little lies that make me want to cry lacerates my heart the way that the skin looks all sunken in nauseates my emotions the cry for help that makes mw ant to fix it all the need for the calvary to ride in and save the day you can try to walk on by you can turn your back away you can ride the .. let them suffer another day cut through your heart until it pays don't play your part keep your own ways
[04:12:05] <renesis> a lot of people who i respect as far as musical taste are into rush, i just cant do it
[04:12:09] <furrywolf> meh, I failed at that one. missed a few words.
[04:12:36] <furrywolf> I'm not a rush fan. clockwork angels had a couple tracks that aren't too bad, but I wouldn't call myself a fan at all.
[04:12:36] <renesis> id rather listen to hole
[04:14:25] * renesis listening to hole
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[04:14:49] * furrywolf is listening to random stuff. flotsam and jetsam at the moment
[04:15:31] <norias> jason!
[04:17:37] <furrywolf> coming to the stairs, picking up my phone, I don't want to answer, pretending I'm not home, you can kill your television but I want to kill my telephone, always someone calling trying to get me to donate calling me in the am afternoon and when it's late you can kill your televsion but I want to kill my telephone late at night I like to watch the ? on tv, I feel safe alone in here, as long as no one tries to dial me phone is always ringing but no
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[04:19:53] <furrywolf> sing me a song, you're a singer, do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil, the devil is never a maker, the less that you give, you're a taker /me stops, since everyone should have this one memorized. :P
[04:20:54] <norias> uh
[04:22:01] <furrywolf> lol
[04:22:24] <norias> and the dragon
[04:22:54] <t12> fav insult for tool fans
[04:22:58] <t12> is to tell them tool is the new rush
[04:23:02] <norias> i feel bad that i heckled dio back in the day
[04:23:08] <norias> eh.
[04:23:14] <norias> rush doesn't do songs about drugs
[04:23:26] <furrywolf> I don't like tool.
[04:23:35] <norias> tool is cool
[04:23:51] <norias> but not even remotely like rush
[04:24:18] <renesis> tool is like the pinnacle of dysfunction rock
[04:24:19] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pO8r34RW4
[04:24:41] <norias> dysfunction rock?
[04:24:50] <renesis> i made that up just now
[04:24:51] <norias> i thought they were going kinda math rock
[04:24:53] <norias> or whatever
[04:25:00] <furrywolf> I have pretty wide tate in music... it does not include tool.
[04:25:03] <furrywolf> taste
[04:25:03] <renesis> but i imagine aic and nin are involved
[04:25:06] <norias> i dig some of the tool stuff
[04:25:15] <norias> that sounds kinda spiritual
[04:25:17] <furrywolf> I listed to three 13th floor elevators albums in a row the other night. lol
[04:25:19] <t12> they're digging a bit deep into the newage these days
[04:25:21] <norias> rush is all intellectual
[04:25:38] <renesis> im not really a musician so i think a lot of rush is kind of lost on me
[04:25:48] <renesis> dream theater is kind of the same way
[04:26:20] <renesis> friends will be like DID YOU HEAR WHAT THEY DID JEZUS FUCK OMG and im kinda like, ya man almost all the music i like is like that
[04:28:52] <furrywolf> gah, this one is hard. I don't know what I'm going after I don't but I'm moving ? faster I want to hide but there's nowhere to hide now.. I'm moving ??? but I need an answer ?? said ???? I'm here to release you from the thunder... bah, I give up
[04:29:17] <renesis> cant you just ask the internet
[04:29:23] <furrywolf> no. :P
[04:29:31] <furrywolf> a) that's cheating, b) I bet this one isn't on the internet
[04:30:29] <furrywolf> this is "eat my fear" by "the setting son", album "before I eat my eyes and ears"
[04:32:09] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9eJp3RBq4A
[04:32:40] <furrywolf> you'll complain it doesn't rock. :P
[04:32:44] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA6qVlXRInI
[04:32:51] <renesis> there listen to those lyrics
[04:33:03] <renesis> best lyrical content of the last decade
[04:33:18] <norias> thanks for making me listen to toool tonight
[04:33:19] <furrywolf> ...no
[04:34:01] <renesis> cmon you want to show off your speakers, no?
[04:34:22] <renesis> tha track probably break them after the drop
[04:34:24] <renesis> =(
[04:34:29] <renesis> ^t
[04:35:17] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM0_6Bm-Adc
[04:35:28] <t12> youtube bass poor
[04:35:29] <renesis> tc is an equal opportunity producer
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[04:36:06] <renesis> t12: dunno my sub is doing stuff
[04:36:15] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k
[04:36:28] <t12> is one of my more fav bass test tracks
[04:36:39] <furrywolf> if you want lyrics about sex, how about a still-hot-at-whatever jett? you look good in latex, get off having rough sex, surprised, round the bed, restrained, while I fuck your head, gaze down, it's time to be my dog, I'll push, to get you in that fog, pain turns to pleaure fast, relax, while I pound your ass, cool cat, come on, I'll give you some, oh yeah, I'm gonna watch you come... there, that enough sex for you? :P
[04:37:17] <renesis> t12: nice
[04:37:30] <furrywolf> youtube plays on my laptop's little tinny speakers, not on the stereo, because firefox is defective by design and unable to switch audio output devices
[04:37:45] <renesis> chrome does that too
[04:37:54] <t12> ever see rubber
[04:38:00] <t12> oizo did the soundtrack
[04:38:09] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWWufhqyGE8
[04:38:26] <renesis> no
[04:40:59] <renesis> the tire has explosive telekenesis?
[04:41:08] <furrywolf> a minute in (it's slow to load, because it has an actual video, not just an album cover) on your bass test track, and I still hear no bass. just some kind of stupid farting noise that sounds like it should be coming from the trunk of a honda civic. find something with, say, a drum. :P
[04:41:10] <t12> p much
[04:41:28] <furrywolf> also, it fucking sucks.
[04:41:31] <renesis> i would just move to a new place
[04:42:05] <renesis> furrywolf: all my music has drums
[04:42:15] <renesis> thats the point, thats why i like it
[04:42:57] <furrywolf> "<t12>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k" "<t12> is one of my more fav bass test tracks" does not.
[04:43:11] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuEpxvfdUw
[04:43:17] <renesis> there, drums ^
[04:43:41] <renesis> shit starts happening at like 23 seconds
[04:44:13] <renesis> prob doesnt really go nuts until like 1:15 in
[04:45:51] <furrywolf> so it's got bollywood dubbed with syth fart noises and drums
[04:46:37] <t12> how about live drum and bass
[04:46:42] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0
[04:46:45] <renesis> also reese bass
[04:47:42] <renesis> t12: omg excited
[04:48:06] <furrywolf> saving the video and playing it with a proper player doesn't make it sound like it's anything to challenge speakers
[04:48:11] <t12> lightning bolt live is pretty great
[04:48:12] <renesis> hahah they dropped it at 1:05, junglists
[04:48:44] <furrywolf> synth farts are a poor excuse for bass
[04:49:01] <renesis> furrywolf: if you havent been you cant talk
[04:49:27] <furrywolf> ?
[04:49:29] <renesis> and it just sound like farts because your system sucks
[04:50:07] <furrywolf> lol
[04:50:09] <renesis> t12: this is cool
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[04:50:26] <t12> i have some pictures from one of the shows lemme see if i can find
[04:50:52] <renesis> oh damn they been around awhile
[04:51:02] <t12> ya
[04:51:10] <t12> they're RISD people
[04:51:17] <t12> https://www.flickr.com/photos/t12/sets/72157631417189870
[04:51:22] <furrywolf> I'm not too fond of the original bollywood song, but I don't find it bad. then they decided to cover it with stupid noises, and now it's bad.
[04:51:43] <renesis> what stupid noises?
[04:51:53] <furrywolf> everything except the original song?
[04:51:54] <furrywolf> lol
[04:52:08] <renesis> what original song
[04:52:15] <renesis> the vocal sample?
[04:52:36] <furrywolf> it sounds like they took a bollywood song (the indian female vocalist) and added crap to it, then sold it as theirs.
[04:52:55] <renesis> are you listening on a laptop?
[04:53:08] <furrywolf> yes
[04:53:30] <renesis> they produced a crazy breakcore beat and some hard bass lines
[04:53:40] <furrywolf> did they perform the vocals, or just ruin someone else's song?
[04:53:40] <renesis> and added some bollywood samples
[04:53:59] <renesis> i dunno, and it wasnt a song it was a vocal track
[04:54:10] <furrywolf> I don't call any part of that "crazy". I have another word that starts with "cra" I'll apply to it, however.
[04:54:17] <furrywolf> it barely qualifies as music
[04:55:01] <renesis> t12: crowd looks crazy into it
[04:55:11] <t12> yeah
[04:55:24] <t12> they used to just play on the floor in the middle of the crowd and let it turn into a mess
[04:55:28] <furrywolf> more like the type of crap a dj or "mc" would do to ruin someone else's music while pretending to be a musician
[04:55:29] <t12> now they seems to be on stages
[04:56:06] <renesis> furrywolf: usually the dj ruins the other peoples music, and the mc ruins the djs music
[04:56:18] <renesis> theres an order to it
[04:56:20] <t12> lol
[04:56:23] <t12> airhorn
[04:56:25] <furrywolf> lol
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[04:57:21] <furrywolf> based on that track, I hope to never hear this person nor anyone he associates with ever again.
[04:57:42] <norias> oh man
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[04:57:45] <norias> in some other chan
[04:57:49] <norias> some dude is ranting about
[04:57:56] <norias> being the citizen of a corporation
[04:58:02] <renesis> furrywolf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjHryh7bEZY
[04:58:04] <norias> i just want to jump off a bridge
[04:58:15] <renesis> they record the vocals, and they bring the girl to the show
[04:58:22] <renesis> is that musical?
[04:59:05] <renesis> btw you sound like old people calling 50s rock music devil guitar crap =)
[04:59:21] <t12> kids these days and the bleep bloop mdma rave music
[04:59:30] <renesis> haha they turned their controllers towards the audience
[04:59:49] <renesis> when i saw them, everyone assumed they were doing facebook one stage
[04:59:50] <t12> modeselektor is a pretty good live show too
[05:00:26] <renesis> dirtyphonics like, played other producers musics on controllers with samples
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[05:00:38] <furrywolf> oh man / in some other chan / some dude is a-ran' / being the citizen of a corporatan' / I just want to jump off a mountain
[05:00:46] <renesis> they fucked up a couple times so you knew it wasnt faked, haha
[05:01:14] <renesis> and netsky live is kind of nuts
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[05:01:36] <renesis> furrywolf: okay they just slid into clock orange music, stolen as fuck
[05:01:43] <furrywolf> lol
[05:01:47] <renesis> but who cares, went to a show and they clockwork oranged me
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[05:02:38] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95-U0dXL1k0&t=2m
[05:03:22] <renesis> netsky brings the girl, also a drummer, another keyboadist, and actually plays all his songs live
[05:03:44] <renesis> so does he get to be called a musician?
[05:03:58] <t12> how about underworld
[05:04:07] <furrywolf> heh, apparantly breakdown valentine, that I was listening to the other day, does their shows live complete with a drummer instead of the drum machine. I was very surprised.
[05:04:15] <t12> they seem to have the most musicianish live pure electronic show
[05:04:17] <renesis> or like all of trip hop
[05:05:24] <renesis> furrywolf: honestly, its a more interesting show played live, but the crowd is usually lower energy than a live mixed show
[05:06:06] <furrywolf> what the fuck is the guy doing with his I'm-having-a-seizure finger twiddling?
[05:06:27] <renesis> not using an appregiator?
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[05:06:55] <furrywolf> no. the one waving them around in the air.
[05:07:39] <renesis> the mc?
[05:07:46] <renesis> hes been an mc
[05:07:48] <furrywolf> the guy with the mic who looks like an idiot
[05:07:55] <furrywolf> lol
[05:07:58] <renesis> which means acting like a guy on coke in time with the music
[05:08:05] <furrywolf> lol
[05:08:29] <furrywolf> also, that qualifies far more as music than some of the other things you've pasted. I won't download it, but it doesn't suck. heh.
[05:09:06] <renesis> who cares if you download it
[05:09:10] <renesis> go see it
[05:09:36] <renesis> the point is the soundsystem and the party
[05:09:40] <furrywolf> eww. I'd much prefer a sitdown venue with food.
[05:12:45] <furrywolf> no, the point it seeing good music being made
[05:13:47] <furrywolf> and getting to hang out with friends and eat good food. (this rules out most of the bars around here, as most of them only serve food to accompany alcohol, not to be worth eating on its own)
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[05:14:39] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[11:50:15] <jthornton> hmm plasma is off line
[11:50:52] <MattyMatt> syyl, could you swap heads on your deckel machines? would the FP2 head you have on the G2 fit on your G1L base?
[11:56:45] <MattyMatt> I was planning to put a plain Z axis on an angle bracket, but that real deckel mill head is sexy. I might be copying that instead
[11:57:18] <archivist> better still save up and get the real thing
[11:57:38] <MattyMatt> lotta saving. there's one on ebay for €4995
[11:58:17] <archivist> certain names start at silly prices
[11:58:43] <archivist> like myford over priced for what they are
[11:58:51] <MattyMatt> I only paid £90 for the base :)
[11:59:51] <MattyMatt> it wasn't identified as a deckel tho. his loss
[12:00:19] <archivist> I got some cnc deckel manuals the other week, they were the filthiest things I have ever seen, probably means the control was unreliable
[12:04:04] <jthornton> I like the little notes in my DX32 manual "Before rigid tapping you must make a linear move, it can be anywhere even in outer space"
[12:07:07] <archivist> this engine suffered a bent crank
[12:08:12] <jthornton> ouch, any damage to the bearing area
[12:10:51] <archivist> possibly a little scoring not much, but just about as cheap to find another used mower
[12:11:20] <jthornton> can you straighten the crank?
[12:11:49] <archivist> found a crank and piston locally on fleabay
[12:13:16] <jthornton> Briggs makes 25 different cranks, the only difference is on the "customer" end
[12:13:51] <archivist> now have it apart, not sure it is a briggs
[12:14:10] <archivist> mower is assembled in itally
[12:14:12] <jthornton> got a photo of it?
[12:15:15] <archivist> here is the same thing on ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131509632999
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[12:16:46] <archivist> and the piston and rod
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281682327615
[12:16:53] <jthornton> for 20 pounds you can't beat that
[12:17:16] <Tom_itx> you get more stuff in the first deal
[12:17:27] <Tom_itx> and you don't have to get all dirty replacing it
[12:17:40] <archivist> no al keys were used
[12:17:54] <Tom_itx> or get both and have spares for the next time you hit a stump
[12:18:20] <nema34> hi, I've attached a joystik to the computer with linux cnc, and it's not working :(
[12:18:33] <archivist> it hit a 2" square steel tube (sign foot)
[12:18:52] <Tom_itx> yeah i had that happen once. i loaned mine to a neighbor.... i've not done that since
[12:19:37] <archivist> nema34, debugging time
[12:19:39] <Tom_itx> was a cut off wellpipe they hit
[12:20:34] <archivist> I am waiting on the mower owner to decide
[12:20:34] <nema34> it's need some special configuration?
[12:20:46] <Tom_itx> of course
[12:20:53] <archivist> most things need some configuration
[12:22:01] <nema34> how it's done?
[12:22:15] <Tom_itx> lots of reading and perserverence
[12:22:52] <archivist> and sometimes asking better questions
[12:23:09] <nema34> maybe someone can guide me.
[12:23:35] <archivist> only if we know what is wrong, and you are next to the data not us
[12:23:49] <jthornton> look at adding external controls
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[12:24:05] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_Joypad_To_Move_Your_CNC_Machine
[12:24:09] <jthornton> here is one for example
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[12:24:18] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[12:24:20] <Tom_itx> woops
[12:25:48] <nema34> hehe! i have the same joystik!
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[12:29:31] <nema34> where I type the "halrun"
[12:29:45] <nema34> in the linux cnc command area?
[12:30:12] <nema34> "First open a terminal"
[12:30:22] <nema34> where is the terminal?
[12:30:36] <archivist> accessories
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[12:30:45] <nema34> how it's look like?
[12:31:05] <jthornton> Tom_itx, the hal_joystick is depreciated
[12:31:44] <jthornton> nema34, what OS are you using
[12:31:48] <Tom_itx> maybe those docs should be nixed
[12:31:57] <jthornton> yea
[12:32:17] <archivist> or just amended to point at newer
[12:32:30] <archivist> to stop link rot
[12:32:36] <Tom_itx> i didn't put much effort in it... just googled joystick and clicked on what popped up :)
[12:32:44] <nema34> 2.6.4
[12:33:09] <archivist> a terminal is in your OS
[12:33:31] <archivist> jt asked about OS not linuxcnc
[12:33:36] <Tom_itx> also at the airport
[12:33:37] <jthornton> ubuntu or debian
[12:34:21] * jthornton forgot the mascot name again
[12:34:32] <Tom_itx> ch...
[12:35:01] <nema34> debian
[12:35:03] <jthornton> thanks
[12:35:43] <jthornton> do you have applications menu in upper left corner?
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[12:35:56] <jthornton> dang so many desktops for debian
[12:36:07] <nema34> i get the terminal
[12:36:21] <nema34> like black window
[12:36:28] <jthornton> yea
[12:37:21] <nema34> now i"m try to to this thing
[12:37:23] <nema34> less /proc/bus/input/devices
[12:38:43] <nema34> I get some text
[12:39:52] <nema34> but it's look much more than the info page say/
[12:40:01] <jthornton> sure, you need to find the joystick part
[12:40:07] <Tom_itx> look for the txt the info page has
[12:40:34] <Tom_itx> it's like looking for your GF in a croud. you don't need them all
[12:40:52] <jthornton> or get caught looking at them
[12:40:58] <Tom_itx> heh
[12:41:16] <archivist> I thought window shopping was ok
[12:41:20] <nema34> i have BF I'm the GF
[12:43:22] <jthornton> if you can't find the joystick use pastebin.ca or similar to paste the output from the terminal... and right click after selecting in the terminal to copy or sometimes middle button copies
[12:44:16] <nema34> I'm trying to connect the linux cnc to the intrnet
[12:45:52] <_methods> hehe i just use a usb numpad for my remote pendant
[12:50:02] <nema34> do you know a program for irc for debian?
[12:50:18] <_methods> irssi
[12:50:22] <malcom2073> xchat, irssi, pork
[12:51:15] <_methods> doesn't pidgin work too
[12:51:23] <malcom2073> probably
[12:52:02] <_methods> yeah apparently pidgin works for everything on the planet lol
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[12:59:32] <nema34-cnc> hi from the machine computer
[12:59:55] <nema34-cnc> http://paste.debian.net/176309/
[13:00:35] <nema34-cnc> this is the output of /proc/bus/input/devices
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[13:04:06] <nema34> jthornton: ^
[13:04:37] <nema34-cnc> I;ve installed xchat
[13:06:15] <nema34-cnc> Tom_itx, ? archivist ?
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[13:10:33] <nema34> someone want to assist me?
[13:12:02] <nema34> thist is the output
http://paste.debian.net/176309/ from the command /proc/bus/input/devices
[13:12:04] <Tom_itx> hang around, somebody will answer probably. i'm headed out the door
[13:12:33] <Tom_itx> which one looks like a joystick?
[13:12:38] <Tom_itx> later..
[13:13:30] <nema34> N: Name="Logitech Logitech Dual Action"
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[13:14:28] <nema34> " In your .hal file (the main one) add the following "
[13:15:01] <nema34> what / where is the ".hal file"
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[13:15:33] <Tom_itx> /user/nema34/config probably
[13:15:39] <jthornton> what's the name of your machine?
[13:15:59] <jthornton> ~/linuxcnc/configs/name you gave it
[13:16:32] <nema34> mmm
[13:16:49] <Tom_itx> err.. /home/user/linuxcnc/configs
[13:18:18] <jthornton> dang using a regional rate box A saves me up to $7 in postage
[13:19:10] <nema34-cnc> http://paste.debian.net/176313/
[13:19:15] <nema34-cnc> this?
[13:19:40] <jthornton> yea
[13:19:58] <nema34-cnc> now what to do?
[13:20:10] <jthornton> follow instructions
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[13:20:56] <Tom_itx> aka nap?
[13:21:08] <jthornton> Briggs
[13:21:24] <Tom_itx> ahh
[13:21:28] <Tom_itx> another nice day here
[13:21:31] <Tom_itx> have a good one..
[13:21:33] <Tom_itx> later
[13:28:24] <nema34-cnc> 4. Step 4 Check the pin names of your device
[13:28:48] <nema34-cnc> I have no idea what to do
[13:29:06] <nema34-cnc> " Start up EMC after adding the above lines to make sure that works. "
[13:29:17] <nema34-cnc> what is emc?
[13:30:23] <Tom_itx> emc was renamed linuxcnc
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[13:31:37] <nema34-cnc> good to know..
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[13:34:51] <tjtr33> when the name is long and has spaces, use the 1st unique word. for mine i have "loadusr -W hal_input -KRAL Dual" where Dual is the unique identifier for the logitech joypad
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[13:36:45] <tjtr33> try _just_ adding that line to your 1st hal file. if it doesnt complain, then use 'show pin' to see the new pins. dang he left
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[14:00:44] <nema34> tjtr33: I've add it to the last line. now I'm going to change it to the firt line/
[14:04:13] <nema34> tjtr33: now, how I check for "new pin"?
[14:07:09] <nema34> I give up.
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[14:10:49] <pcw_home> in a terminal (when linuxcnc is running) type:
[14:10:50] <pcw_home> halcmd show pin
[14:11:41] <pcw_home> or
[14:11:43] <pcw_home> halcmd show pin > lots-o-pins.txt
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[14:14:52] <nema34-cnc> pcw_home,
http://paste.debian.net/176354/
[14:15:19] <nema34-cnc> this is the output from the command
[14:16:40] <tjtr33> nema34, your device is seen ok, the new pins begin at 'input.0.abs-hat0x-counts'
[14:17:40] <tjtr33> you can open a halmeter in linuxcnc ( from menu ) and tell it to watch one of those signals, and see it change as you touch button, or tilt joystick
[14:18:14] <nema34> let's see
[14:19:38] <nema34> i ger ---- messege
[14:19:52] <nema34> select or exit
[14:20:43] <cpresser> select
[14:20:45] <tjtr33> thats asking you to choose one of the many signals, like input.0.abs-hat0x-counts'
[14:25:24] <tjtr33> i hope you're having fun seeing the meter change. i'm off for a bit
[14:26:01] <nema34-cnc> no meter no nothing
[14:26:11] <nema34-cnc> i have no idea what I'm doing/
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[14:26:44] <nema34-cnc> there is a way todo "print sceen"
[14:30:13] <nema34-cnc> http://i.imgur.com/z5zRitY.png
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[14:31:43] <archivist> select what you want to probe
[14:31:48] <tjtr33> scroll down to the input.0 section and choose a pin
[14:33:37] <nema34-cnc> i select now the input.0.abs-hat0x-counts
[14:33:54] <nema34-cnc> nothing happed
[14:37:31] <nema34-cnc> the 0 change to 1 or -1
[14:38:03] <archivist> could be a direction pin
[14:38:46] <nema34-cnc> and only 2 buttons response on the joystick
[14:39:15] <nema34-cnc> this is the direction pin? input.0.abs-hat0x-counts
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[15:15:28] <MacGyverX> Are there any plug-in for linuxcnc that support motion controllers like GRBL or TinyG?
[15:16:06] <pcw_home> LinuxCNC is a motion controller so does not need and external one
[15:16:17] <pcw_home> s/and/an/
[15:16:45] <MacGyverX> I understand that. But it has not support for those controllers?
[15:18:13] <pcw_home> Not that I know of
[15:18:33] <MacGyverX> k
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[15:20:06] <pcw_home> Linuxcnc is designed for real time control of the machine, you lose that with a buffered controller
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[15:45:26] <jdh> what problem would adding a GRBL solve
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[15:51:07] <archivist> just make your machine less usable (fewer axes, simple gcode)
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[16:08:30] <archivist> it is like buying a snapon ratchet and using a rubber socket to undo a nut
[16:10:29] <roycroft> if it's a vinyl nut that should not be a problem :)
[16:12:01] <archivist> I dont expect unfit for purpose nuts or sockets
[16:13:08] <roycroft> if the vinyl nut is suitable for the application the rubber socket might not be unfit, but the ratchet would be overkill
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[16:43:57] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/HyVtMky.png
[16:44:10] <zeeshan> im too cheap to buy a proper 5c collet block
[16:44:10] <zeeshan> lol
[16:44:35] * zeeshan is machining a hex out of round stock and drilling and tapping two 8-32 holes
[16:46:12] <archivist> and when you find it less concentric that you want?
[16:46:49] <zeeshan> its good enough to be within 2 thou
[16:47:01] <zeeshan> not everything has to be 0.0001" you know! :P
[16:47:52] <archivist> then tenths matter!
[16:47:56] <archivist> them
[16:48:58] <roycroft> i thought the 1% were all that matter
[16:49:09] <A_Nub> anyone have experience withe syba sd-pex10005 PCIE Parallel port?
[16:49:21] <A_Nub> I was able to get the driver compiled and running last night
[16:49:23] <zeeshan> archivist: send me a free 5c collet block
[16:49:29] <A_Nub> showed up in my devices with port C010
[16:49:31] <A_Nub> and C000
[16:49:41] <A_Nub> but I can’t get my 3040T to move
[16:49:44] <A_Nub> :/
[16:49:50] <archivist> zeeshan, after you send me a free Mikron :)
[16:49:54] <zeeshan> haha
[16:50:11] <Tom_itx> seems fair
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[16:51:08] <archivist> A_Nub, some parallel ports dont play nice, odd pull up problems
[16:52:22] <A_Nub> archivist: I just ordered a intel atom board instead at suggestion of another person I was just wondering if there was a work around and I could cancel the order
[16:52:45] <A_Nub> I sorta figured last night after trying both mach3 and linuxcnc
[16:52:52] <A_Nub> that it’s just a bad card
[16:53:01] <Tom_itx> atom 525?
[16:53:05] <JT-Shop> did you use the parallel port tester to see if your pport works
[16:53:12] <Tom_itx> i'd go for an asrock board these days probably
[16:53:19] <archivist> sometimes adding pullups can make a parallel port work
[16:53:23] <A_Nub> Tom_itx: yea the ASrock is the one I got
[16:53:31] <Tom_itx> itx?
[16:53:54] <Tom_itx> they're cheap enough
[16:53:55] <A_Nub> Tom_itx:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J2CCDAC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[16:54:09] <archivist> I am not aware of that particular board, I just make whatever fails work by fault diagnosis
[16:54:31] <Tom_itx> A_Nub i've got the 1900
[16:54:41] <A_Nub> archivist: yea I’m new to the CNC world, my experience thus far is just Repeteir and 3D printing
[16:54:51] <Tom_itx> Q1900B or Q1900m pro3 iirc
[16:55:11] <archivist> A_Nub, got a scope?
[16:55:13] <A_Nub> just gets you a different proc, right?
[16:55:16] <A_Nub> archivist: no
[16:55:30] <Rab> A_Nub, you set LinuxCNC up for your board with stepconf?
[16:55:31] <A_Nub> archivist: it’s on my list :)
[16:55:35] <A_Nub> Rab: yes
[16:56:07] <Rab> A_Nub, have you tried experimenting with limit switch inputs to see if you can get communication to the software side?
[16:56:20] <A_Nub> Rab: no limit switches.
[16:56:39] <Rab> A_Nub, sure, but you can define limit inputs and pull them up or down to see if the software reacts.
[16:56:57] <Rab> That'll let you know the parport is working to some extent.
[16:56:59] <A_Nub> ahh, right
[16:57:02] <A_Nub> didn’t think about that
[16:57:26] <jdh> or use halscope
[16:57:32] <zeeshan> 1/2" end mill, 6061, axial doc = .25", width of cut = 0.08", 300sfm (2292 rpm), chipload = 0.006 = 55 ipm
[16:57:33] <zeeshan> sound good? :D
[16:57:38] <A_Nub> I’ll have to try when I get home, my short google quest on this chip showed nothing but people having issues
[16:57:42] <archivist> will halscope see real signals
[16:57:57] <A_Nub> I did try halscope
[16:57:59] <archivist> or lack of
[16:58:15] <A_Nub> Not sure I used it right
[16:58:23] <A_Nub> but I tried probing X direction
[16:58:38] <A_Nub> nothing changed when I jogged
[16:59:30] <Rab> A_Nub, might also be helpful to load the CD/USB live image on another computer (laptop, whatever) with a hardware parallel port and see if you can eliminate software and controller issues.
[16:59:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan try it and then i'll let you know
[16:59:37] <zeeshan> haha
[16:59:39] <A_Nub> I read I could probe the voltage across a direction pin and pin 15 to test
[16:59:41] <zeeshan> im a wuss
[16:59:44] <A_Nub> with my multimeter
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[16:59:59] <A_Nub> Rab: yea I don’t have a hardware parallel port
[17:00:08] <A_Nub> otherwise I would have tried that for sure.
[17:00:13] <Tom_itx> .006 sounds about right for aluminum on a solid machine
[17:00:29] <A_Nub> Rab: I just ordered one though
[17:00:32] <zeeshan> oh boy it is solid :P
[17:00:35] <zeeshan> i wont admit how i know that
[17:00:38] <zeeshan> but i know that haha
[17:00:52] <archivist> solid, that thing is built like a brick built sh*t house
[17:01:07] <Tom_itx> packed full of sheet
[17:01:20] <zeeshan> i learned quickly that .006ipr in aluminum slotting at full axial depth of cut (same as diameter of tool)
[17:01:33] <A_Nub> Well guys thanks for the pointers, I’ll do some testing when I get home, but I’m guessing a return is in order.
[17:01:39] <zeeshan> at 200 sfm with just a little spray of cutting oil was not GOOD enough for a 4 flute
[17:01:52] <Tom_itx> A_Nub, i'd get the 1900 anyway
[17:01:59] <A_Nub> Tom_itx: any reason?
[17:02:03] <Tom_itx> faster
[17:02:09] <Tom_itx> about the same price
[17:02:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Q1900b-itx&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[17:02:32] <Tom_itx> i've got 2 now
[17:02:39] <Tom_itx> not on lcnc yet
[17:02:45] <archivist> A_Nub, some of the interfaces are a bit suspect, they should know about parallel ports
[17:03:29] <Rab> Tom_itx, how do those test for latency?
[17:04:23] <A_Nub> Tom_itx: ok just canceled mine on amazon for $10 might as well get the better one
[17:04:43] <A_Nub> I get newegg in 2 days anywho
[17:04:51] <A_Nub> so prime isn’t needed this time!
[17:04:52] <A_Nub> :P
[17:05:44] <A_Nub> dang its not in the local warehouse
[17:06:40] <Tom_itx> Rab, i went off PCW's recomendation on them
[17:07:15] <Tom_itx> i got a mini atx and the itx versions
[17:07:39] <Tom_itx> only difference is the atx has more slots
[17:07:49] <Tom_itx> and takes regular ram instead of laptop ram
[17:08:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=q1900m+pro3&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[17:09:42] <Tom_itx> Rab, until i get my control back up and running i'm not gonna switch from my D525 just yet
[17:09:45] <Tom_itx> then i may
[17:10:37] <Tom_itx> i think i'm about 85% there
[17:10:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you read the reviews by chance? Any issues they had?
[17:11:05] <Tom_itx> one guy here had parport issues but i think it got worked out
[17:11:13] <Tom_itx> no i haven't read reviews
[17:11:31] <Jymmm> multi usb issues under linux
[17:11:35] <Jymmm> multiple*
[17:12:17] <Tom_itx> i ran ubuntu on one briefly and didn't notice any problems
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[17:13:38] <Jymmm> Huh, I wonder why then. Usually it's linux that's more stable with HW, than M$
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[17:15:09] <PCW> the J1800,1900 USB issues were solved a long time ago
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[17:18:47] <PCW> Someone had issues with one motherboard that had no pullups on inputs (though I dont think that's something a good BOB should depend on)
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[17:22:34] <Jymmm> $40 C2D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-dc7800-SFF-Intel-Core-2-Duo-E6550-2-33-GHz-RAM-2GB-DVD-DRIVE-No-Hard-Drive-/281685996060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4195cb321c
[17:23:27] <Jymmm> I really like mine.
[17:23:35] <Jymmm> Others...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/2ndchance_recycler/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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[17:31:26] <Jymmm> Awww, it's cute. and 12VDC too...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AOpen-MP915-X-Mini-Desktop-PC-Computer-1-60GHz-40GB-HDD-512MB-RAM-XP-PRO/291340305268
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[17:33:52] <nema34-cnc> linux cnc die!
http://paste.debian.net/176456/
[17:34:22] <nema34-cnc> what to do?
[17:34:39] <archivist> read that list to see an error
[17:36:12] <Jymmm> Debian? You did your own build?
[17:37:10] <nema34-cnc> it's work fine until I've tern off the computer 5 min ago.
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[17:37:53] <archivist> always stop linuxcnc before turning off the pc
[17:38:32] <nema34-cnc> i closed all the windows.
[17:39:28] <archivist> why were you rebooting the pc anyway, this is not windows
[17:40:19] <Jymmm> heh
[17:40:21] <nema34-cnc> I moved it to the machine area
[17:42:02] <nema34-cnc> it was at the middle of the room.
[17:42:21] <nema34-cnc> it work again.
[17:42:27] <PCW> Jymmm: bought one of those $39 PCs toreplace my clone desktop, the DC7800 is both smaller and quieter
[17:42:57] <nema34-cnc> I just rur step conf again and it's solve the problem.
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[17:43:06] <nema34-cnc> run*
[17:43:30] <Jymmm> PCW: Nice! I found it to be "snappy" in responding to thing surprisingly.
[17:43:33] <nema34-cnc> but the machine move to fassst!
[17:43:50] <nema34-cnc> from side to side in about 1 sec
[17:44:04] <nema34-cnc> and all the house is shaking.
[17:44:07] <PCW> I replaced the CPU with a E8500
[17:44:56] <Jymmm> PCW: Ah, I just left it as-is, going to be a HTPC
[17:45:06] <nema34-cnc> the Z axis fly up and down sooo fast.
[17:45:30] <PCW> (the same guy has DC7800s with a E8400 for $49 which I would have bought if I had not already upgraded my clone with a E8500)
[17:45:33] <nema34-cnc> like earthquake
[17:46:12] <Jymmm> pcw_home: that much improvement?
[17:46:29] <PCW> maybe twice as fast
[17:46:31] <malcom2073> nema34-cnc: don't crash it :)
[17:46:36] <nema34-cnc> it's feel dangerous
[17:46:58] <archivist> set slower values
[17:47:33] <Jymmm> PCW: Wow, I wasn't sure as it was, but I'm content.
[17:48:06] <nema34-cnc> archivist, very useful
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[17:48:47] <PCW> (Preemt-RT latency performance about twice as good)
[17:48:58] <PCW> maybe 30% faster
[17:49:28] <Jymmm> nice
[17:49:43] <nema34-cnc> archivist, look, I have no idea what I'm doing, this is all new to me. and there is iron monster here that fly like crazy/
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[17:50:46] <nema34-cnc> I don't know how to slow it down.. because I'm new it this thing.
[17:50:48] <archivist> you have stepconf, it has settings for max velocity/speed/whatever its some time since I looked at that screen
[17:50:53] <malcom2073> nema34-cnc: As with all machines that are capable of killing you, you should start slow :P
[17:51:06] <malcom2073> But yeah, stepconf has settings for max speed, you should probably turn them way down
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[17:51:45] <nema34-cnc> I'm trying now.
[17:52:25] <nema34-cnc> much much much better and safer!
[17:52:40] <Jymmm> I'd set things for conservative, and increase slowly.
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[17:54:25] <nema34-cnc> the gcode not working :(
[17:55:29] <nema34-cnc> I'm try again
[17:55:34] <malcom2073> pastebin it, and what do you expect it to do, vs what it is actually doing?
[17:55:49] <archivist> have you enabled your machine
[17:57:37] <nema34> I try to make much simple one.
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[17:59:12] <Jymmm> cradek: Almost found you another tape backup unit =)
[18:00:26] <nema34> tape backup unit??
[18:00:37] <nema34> are you from the past?
[18:01:00] <Jymmm> nema34: Got your machine working yet?
[18:01:14] <nema34> no. :(
[18:01:23] <Jymmm> Well GIT ER DONE!
[18:02:27] <nema34> my BF ask me something.. so I'm abit on other stuff
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[18:13:48] <skunkworks> boy friend or best friend?
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[18:18:08] <CaptHindsight> BF vs BFF?
[18:18:53] <malcom2073> like O.M.G.
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[18:28:23] <JT-Shop> so the crawler guy says pull the pins and hoses and just back away from the 6-way blade
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[18:36:41] <nema34> I'm back.
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[18:39:32] <nema34> I get weird in solidcam
[18:40:29] <archivist> you seem to be trying to run before you learned to walk
[18:41:56] <nema34> http://i.imgur.com/NIcxpVP.png
[18:42:20] <nema34> what is POST?
[18:43:52] <archivist> a cam package has no idea how a machine is programmed until a post is written for that machines control
[18:45:23] <archivist> the post converts a generic mid level machine path to your specific machines language and abilities
[18:45:48] <nema34> how I cam modify it?
[18:45:58] <nema34> can*
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[18:46:23] <archivist> with an editor and reading manuals and some learning
[18:46:58] <archivist> I have never written one, I dont use a cam package
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[18:47:53] <nema34> so now the machine is very very expensive brick?
[18:48:05] <archivist> not at all
[18:48:15] <archivist> solidcam is the brick
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[18:48:52] <archivist> you can try starting with the fanuc post
[18:49:29] <archivist> google to see if anyone has put a linuxcnc post on the net
[18:50:37] <archivist> or ask the seller of solidcam to privide you with a suitable post (expensive)
[18:54:51] <nema34> archivist:
http://i.imgur.com/VBSKB5h.png
[18:55:10] <nema34> this is how it set.
[18:55:21] <nema34> it is look ok?
[18:55:35] <archivist> I cannot know all software out there
[18:56:06] <ssi> why not?!
[18:56:34] <archivist> not archived it all yet :)
[18:56:38] <ssi> :D
[18:57:07] <archivist> run out of disk error at line 1 redo from start
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[19:06:06] * Loetmichel will sleep well today. had to unstack 64 30" TFT monitors (14kg/31lbs each) from pallets, unpack them, remove the front bezel for milling 1,4mm off, repack, restack... i feel muscles i didnt knew i had now... i'm getting old ;-)
[19:07:22] <Loetmichel> ... and my fingertips hurt from opening all those snap-in locks
[19:07:57] <roycroft> welcome to the world of the feeble and ancient
[19:08:37] * roycroft hands loetmichel a club jacket and a cane
[19:08:39] <nema34> I'm lost.
[19:08:52] <roycroft> third door on the left
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[19:08:57] <roycroft> flush twice, please
[19:09:15] <nema34> I have window on the left :)
[19:09:27] <Jymmm> roycroft: Hey now, Loetmichel resembles that!
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[19:10:53] <nema34> where I connect the touch probe
[19:11:13] <nema34> i have 3 wires NC NO COM
[19:11:58] <archivist> you have a choice of input pins
[19:12:43] <nema34> in the step conf wizard?
[19:13:35] <archivist> that as well as the actual wiring
[19:13:55] <nema34-cnc> what do you mean?
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[19:15:12] <archivist> have you decided which pins to connect your wires too
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[19:16:10] <nema34-cnc> I've connect it to pin 10
[19:16:26] <archivist> is that an input
[19:16:30] <nema34-cnc> NC to pin 10 com to pin 5V
[19:16:38] <nema34-cnc> yes
[19:17:45] <nema34-cnc> now how the machine do self centering?
[19:18:04] <PetefromTn_> afternoon folks!
[19:18:35] <nema34-cnc> there is a support to this program?
[19:19:02] <nema34-cnc> I'm soooo lost here, everething sooo sloow.
[19:19:12] <archivist> nema34, are you reading any of the linuxcnc docs
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[19:20:11] <nema34-cnc> no because i don
[19:20:30] <nema34-cnc> don't even know what I need.
[19:20:53] <nema34-cnc> there is support that I can call and get help?
[19:21:22] <archivist> we are all volunteers
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[19:22:10] <nema34-cnc> so who right the program?
[19:22:19] <PetefromTn_> nema34 you will absolutely get your best help right here for LinuxCNC
[19:22:27] <archivist> many people, it is open source
[19:23:00] <archivist> but please also try to help yourself by reading some documentation
[19:23:24] <nema34-cnc> documentation about what?
[19:23:46] <archivist> all of the software and its use and implementation
[19:23:52] <Jymmm> nema34-cnc: There are three manuals. have you read any of them?
[19:24:37] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ITTVAIm.jpg Just off the VMC
[19:24:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: cool
[19:24:58] <nema34-cnc> no, I didn't know there some manual for this program until you say so
[19:25:20] <PetefromTn_> kind of a PIA to hold onto for the second side...
[19:25:28] <PetefromTn_> had to machine soft jaws for both of them.
[19:26:02] <nema34-cnc> where I can get the manuals?
[19:26:05] <Jymmm> nema34-cnc: Correction... four manuals...
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/documentation
[19:26:38] <XXCoder> Manuals all way down
[19:26:42] <XXCoder> morning
[19:26:47] <Loetmichel> roycroft: the cane is overdoing it. the rest fits ;-)
[19:27:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15295&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:27:13] <Loetmichel> i should have said: old and FAT ;-)
[19:27:59] <nema34-cnc> XXCoder, what do you mean "all way down"?
[19:28:08] <XXCoder> It's a stupid joke
[19:29:09] <nema34-cnc> they obsolete?
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[19:32:53] <nema34> it is not user frendly at all.
[19:33:25] <archivist> I think your expectations are little out
[19:33:41] <archivist> this is a complex subject
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[19:34:11] <archivist> machine tools are dangerous and need care setting up and using
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[19:37:59] * norias sighs.
[19:38:17] <norias> nema34: let's be honest. If you are attemping to build a CNC machine
[19:38:20] <norias> with linuxcnc
[19:38:30] <norias> you have taken on a task that, in the commercial world
[19:38:39] <norias> requires 3-4 specialists in different fields
[19:38:52] <norias> but you're doing it yourself
[19:38:56] <archivist> rome was not built in a day
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[19:39:43] <norias> the documentation is sparse, because documentation for this sort of stuff
[19:39:45] <norias> usually is
[19:39:50] <norias> it's dense
[19:40:00] <norias> it's technical
[19:41:09] <archivist> and it fits many machine types so you have to decide some things for your particular setup, no programmers can know all machines out there
[19:41:28] <nema34-cnc> but now I'm seat in front of the computer, and hope that some guy will help me to make it work.
[19:42:17] <archivist> it took me days to read all the docs
[19:42:52] <archivist> then I soon learned to read the index and skip to what I needed to know
[19:43:18] <nema34-cnc> I have all the manuals open.
[19:44:01] <archivist> I lurked in here for best part of a year before I got my first machine built and running
[19:44:05] <nema34-cnc> and i just want to take my touch probe and find the center of a rectangular.
[19:44:23] <nema34-cnc> this is the basic in cnc.
[19:44:49] <Jymmm> Yes, once properly setup and configured.
[19:44:55] <archivist> I dont have touch probes implemented, not many do
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[19:45:34] <nema34-cnc> for me the probe is very important.
[19:45:54] <norias> what kind of machine is this?
[19:46:17] <nema34-cnc> G0704
[19:46:56] <Jymmm> https://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[19:46:58] <nema34-cnc> all servo
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[19:47:09] <nema34-cnc> Nema 34
[19:47:52] <nema34-cnc> yes this is the machine.
[19:47:56] <Jymmm> nema34-cnc: What is your background? Are you a machinist by trade?
[19:49:03] <nema34-cnc> I know how to work manually (conventional milling) and this is what I did in the in the last year.
[19:49:45] <XXCoder> interesting machine
[19:49:58] <Jymmm> that didn't answer my question though, what is your background?
[19:50:02] <XXCoder> $1,200 not bad
[19:50:09] <Jymmm> nema34-cnc: that didn't answer my question though, what is your background?
[19:50:20] <nema34-cnc> then i want to get a machine that can work with the touch probe, so it will self center on the material.
[19:52:10] <norias> i think... does the machine work via cnc yet?
[19:52:40] <norias> and why is touch probe so important to you?
[19:53:03] <nema34-cnc> learning for mechanical engineer degree just to have the paper. but all the people tell me that I'm far beyond the degree.
[19:55:04] <nema34-cnc> because the stuff the was missing to me in manual working, is the ability to digitize surfaces and self centering on half made parts.
[19:56:58] <norias> centering on parts is relatively simple to do without a touch probe
[19:57:10] <nema34-cnc> yes with the dro..
[19:57:20] <nema34-cnc> I know that.
[19:57:26] <archivist> some use cameras for that too
[19:57:55] <archivist> I cannot do that for small features
[19:58:59] <nema34-cnc> so, someone have any idea how to make the touch probe to work?
[19:59:12] <archivist> have you read any linuxcnc probing docs yet
[19:59:50] <nema34-cnc> I'm still looking for them...
[20:00:14] <nema34-cnc> you have a hint? page number?
[20:01:05] <archivist> I use google and it finds a number of resources
[20:01:16] <nema34-cnc> I give up.
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[20:01:59] <_methods> must be french
[20:02:07] <_methods> given up like 3 times today
[20:02:14] <norias> or italian
[20:02:28] <_methods> hehehe
[20:03:38] <XXCoder> french is much rated as people who give up. They actually has good war record. It's just that they was still wiped after losing millions solders in ww1.
[20:04:06] <nema34-cnc> some one serious here?
[20:04:18] <XXCoder> most was serious
[20:04:23] <XXCoder> you do need to read manual
[20:04:25] <archivist> nema34, ask better question and read docs
[20:04:47] <archivist> we dont know your machine you do
[20:05:07] <nema34-cnc> do you know about a company that give normal support??
[20:05:21] <archivist> this is a volunteer effort
[20:05:21] <XXCoder> no company owns linuxcnc
[20:05:23] <tjtr33> google 'linuxcnc probing' then read _then_ ask
[20:07:45] <nema34-cnc> I know that the support here and the costumer service here is not the best.. so maybe you know about other company that make cnc programs that care about costumer service..
[20:07:54] <norias> so...
[20:07:59] <norias> how much would you pay
[20:08:04] <norias> for said support?
[20:08:15] <norias> $120 / hr?
[20:08:37] <nema34-cnc> how many hours needs?
[20:08:47] <archivist> this is not a supplier customer situation
[20:09:16] <norias> or, are you saying you would pay a monthly fee?
[20:09:24] <archivist> we build and integrate ourselves, we are users
[20:09:26] <tjtr33> heheh _I_ give up
[20:09:28] <norias> $1000 / month?
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[20:10:32] <nema34-cnc> the whole machine cost until now about 5000$
[20:11:00] <archivist> have you read this yet
http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2014-07-06/g38-probing-workpieces-in-linuxcnc/
[20:11:10] <norias> so, here's the thing...
[20:11:17] <norias> you got the software for free...
[20:11:33] <nema34-cnc> I can pay up to 500$ (10%) to make it work on the program side.
[20:11:37] <archivist> and its our fault
[20:12:02] <tjtr33> mea culpa, please go ask at Mach
[20:12:18] <XXCoder> mach lol
[20:12:32] <norias> that's fair
[20:12:36] <norias> i'm sure if you buy mach
[20:12:40] <norias> you get support
[20:12:51] <archivist> and complaints
[20:13:02] <nema34-cnc> complaints?
[20:13:16] <nema34-cnc> they not very good?
[20:13:21] <archivist> it cannot do something that linuxcnc can
[20:13:27] <norias> mach3 costs $175
[20:13:30] <norias> i just looked
[20:13:57] <XXCoder> norias has mach cooties now
[20:13:59] <XXCoder> jk
[20:13:59] <nema34-cnc> and linux cnc vs mach3
[20:14:04] <norias> lol
[20:14:16] <archivist> one is free and self help
[20:14:25] <archivist> and does more
[20:15:02] <nema34-cnc> who give better results?
[20:15:36] <archivist> define results
[20:15:41] <nema34-cnc> which one is better in the digitizing side?
[20:15:49] <tjtr33> this is bear bating, bye bye
[20:16:09] <archivist> mach cannot do hobbing so it would have no result there
[20:16:54] * norias sighs.
[20:17:07] <norias> i don't think you're going to have much luck with digitizing
[20:17:11] <PCW> beer baiting might work
[20:17:12] <norias> it's not easy
[20:17:24] <norias> your machine...
[20:17:25] <_methods> master baiting
[20:17:29] <XXCoder> I read something about using cmm go digitalize
[20:17:35] <norias> it's cool and all, but i just...
[20:17:45] <norias> better machines have mixed results with digitizing
[20:18:03] <norias> once you have a point cloud... then what?
[20:18:11] <norias> think this the whole way through
[20:18:14] <_methods> to the cloud
[20:18:48] <nema34-cnc> the machine is just a frame, with motors. it can be hass or datron or bench-top conversion
[20:18:58] <_methods> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maxacnSG1o1rhqz3ho1_500.jpg
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[20:19:16] <norias> sure, but how comparable are those frames and motors?
[20:19:33] <norias> _methods: lol
[20:19:44] <_methods> best episode ever
[20:19:48] <PetefromTn_> WOW... not very determined to get this working it seems..
[20:20:33] <PetefromTn_> almost sounds like me ;)
[20:21:04] <XXCoder> I gonna work on my cnc router
[20:21:05] <archivist> I think you have tried harder
[20:21:09] <XXCoder> lazy, I am
[20:21:11] <norias> i'm going to start a linuxcnc support company
[20:21:12] <nema34-cnc> norias, the machine has 3 servo motors, 1120oz/in. about 4 times stronger that the normal motor that people use
[20:21:14] <norias> all i'll do
[20:21:18] <XXCoder> norias: please do
[20:21:18] <norias> is take phone calls and emails
[20:21:22] <norias> then come on here
[20:21:26] <norias> and ask for advice
[20:21:32] <norias> after i've read all the manuals
[20:21:33] <XXCoder> sell me few shares so I can get money for big machine lol
[20:22:03] <norias> key point... read the manuals first
[20:22:06] <PetefromTn_> jeez man talk about ungodly overkill
[20:22:14] <norias> lol
[20:22:37] <norias> i dunno, everything i've learned about cnc machines
[20:22:37] <nema34-cnc> there is a dedicated cnc controller?
[20:22:55] <norias> tells me they are more complicated than people give them credit for
[20:22:59] <norias> until they shit the bed
[20:22:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah its called LinuxCNC
[20:23:03] <norias> and you can't figure out why
[20:23:23] <nema34-cnc> something that is already configured and you just need to plug it in?
[20:23:33] <PetefromTn_> no such animal
[20:23:42] <norias> yes, actually
[20:23:46] <norias> haas sells those
[20:23:49] <norias> with their machines
[20:23:52] <_methods> and fanuc
[20:23:59] <norias> oh, true
[20:24:04] <norias> just get a fanuc
[20:24:08] <norias> they come with support
[20:24:08] <_methods> heidenhan
[20:24:11] <PetefromTn_> an already configured controoler?
[20:24:11] <_methods> siemens
[20:24:13] <PCW> And Tormach
[20:24:21] <_methods> the list goes on
[20:24:22] <PCW> (running linuxcnc)
[20:24:26] <archivist> and an invoice
[20:24:33] <_methods> don't forget that one
[20:24:39] <norias> what are we all doing here?
[20:24:46] <norias> when there are so many alternatives?
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[20:25:02] <_methods> i hate myself?
[20:25:10] <PetefromTn_> we must all be nuckin' futz..
[20:25:22] <archivist> trying to get nema34 to read manuals to help herself
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[20:25:43] <nema34-cnc> I'm almost get the tormach but is was too heavy
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[20:26:14] <_methods> what did you buy?
[20:26:26] <nema34-cnc> G0704
[20:26:31] <_methods> ah
[20:27:08] <PetefromTn_> can a machine tool BE TOO HEAVY?
[20:27:18] <_methods> well
[20:27:20] <archivist> no
[20:27:23] <_methods> if you only have a 3" slab
[20:27:28] <_methods> yup
[20:27:37] <norias> concrete is cheap, though
[20:27:38] <cpresser> one can run out of space, but machines can never be to big/heavy :)
[20:27:48] <furrywolf> is your shop built on solid bedrock? :P
[20:27:52] <PetefromTn_> you can pour some pods for it.
[20:28:00] <_methods> concrete is not cheap
[20:28:05] <_methods> not sure where you live
[20:28:06] <nema34-cnc> and I go with very powerful mortor, and it move very smooth and fast (too fast)
[20:28:08] <PetefromTn_> sure it is...
[20:28:13] <_methods> but here concrete is expensive
[20:28:16] <archivist> I got a 5 axis in the bedroom, cant be too heavy
[20:28:26] <andypugh> nema34-cnc: This might interst you:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[20:28:59] <_methods> i've been in a damn starch oven all day i gotta go home and take a damn shower
[20:29:06] <nema34-cnc> here is all wood
[20:29:13] <_methods> high humidity and starch is a bad combo
[20:29:22] <norias> hmmm
[20:29:35] <_methods> and sweat and 6 stories of climbing
[20:29:43] <norias> can't starch dust explode?
[20:29:44] <_methods> = miserable
[20:29:51] <archivist> this rough house has brick walls built on wood!
[20:29:51] <nema34-cnc> before I change the acceleration the house shake like crazy..
[20:29:52] <_methods> yeah its' highly flammable
[20:29:58] <norias> that's what i thought
[20:29:59] <XXCoder> right mix required
[20:30:06] <norias> fair
[20:30:07] <XXCoder> powder + oxygen
[20:30:08] <_methods> they have explosion arrestors all over
[20:30:30] <PetefromTn_> my damn mouse is giving me fits
[20:30:34] <norias> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLFUlDv8n8M
[20:31:02] <PetefromTn_> for some reason when I click something it often clicks twice and causes stuff to deselect and open stuff I did not intend.
[20:31:15] <PetefromTn_> is there a way to fix this?
[20:31:20] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: adjust your doubleclick setting
[20:31:26] <norias> stop doing that
[20:31:30] <XXCoder> make timing shorter
[20:31:44] <norias> well... do you know anything about coding in C?
[20:31:49] <norias> if so, it's an easy fix.
[20:31:49] <PetefromTn_> I tried that did not seem to do anything.
[20:31:54] <XXCoder> that or mouse button is getting worn
[20:32:30] <XXCoder> windows? there should be picture showing button clicks so you can see if one press makes two
[20:34:11] <PetefromTn_> just changed it to FAST as high as it goes and it seems to have helped at least somewhat.
[20:34:58] <nema34> andypugh: I see that is new tab that he actovate some how.. and i have no idea how
[20:35:17] <nema34> activate*
[20:35:32] <XXCoder> pete yeah either you has band hand tic that makes double clicks or mouse is getting worn
[20:36:11] <andypugh> nema34: You need to add the following lines to the INI in the [DISPLAY] section:
[20:36:12] <andypugh> EMBED_TAB_NAME=Probe Screen
[20:36:12] <andypugh> EMBED_TAB_COMMAND=halcmd loadusr -Wn gladevcp gladevcp -c gladevcp -u python/probe_screen.py -x {XID} probe_icons/probe_screen.glade
[20:36:27] <archivist> and download it
[20:36:41] <nema34> download??
[20:37:07] <archivist> can the forum be fixed to allow downloads without logging in, somewhat silly
[20:37:13] <nema34> whyyyy it issss sooo complicaated!!!!$^$#$%^&
[20:37:53] <andypugh> nema34: It’s a donwload because he only just wrote it
[20:38:16] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a reprapper
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[20:39:28] <archivist> downloads should not be restricted to logged in on the forum
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[20:44:45] <andypugh> archivist: I agree. But I don’t know who can change that. (It is possible that I could, but I am scared of messing up the forums)
[20:45:40] <archivist> be brave
[20:49:29] <archivist> I wonder which download manager is installed
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[20:52:44] <malcom2073> People still use download managers?
[20:53:10] <archivist> it is an extension in the forum
[20:53:18] <nema34> how much simple fanuc is cost?
[20:53:29] <archivist> to enable user control of up/downloads
[20:54:10] <archivist> nema34, many thousands
[21:00:00] <norias> nema34... are you sure you're an engineer?
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[21:00:29] * furrywolf thought he was a frame size
[21:00:50] <nema34> norias: [15:53] <nema34-cnc> learning for mechanical engineer degree
[21:00:57] <norias> ahh, ok
[21:01:11] <norias> well, time to crack a book
[21:01:23] <norias> brain cells won't fill themselves
[21:01:56] <archivist> cnc is not a plug and play hobby unfortunately
[21:03:02] <PetefromTn_> Definitely not.
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[21:03:16] <furrywolf> it can be, if you add another step... open very thick wallet, empty, plug and play.
[21:03:17] <norias> i mean, it's a great learning opportunity
[21:04:01] <Tom_itx> nema34 how long have you been at setting this machine up?
[21:04:15] <nema34> about a year..
[21:04:17] * Tom_itx gives PetefromTn_ a mousetrap
[21:04:31] <Tom_itx> a year setting up linuxcnc?
[21:04:41] <furrywolf> I bought more metal today... decided to use 3/4" angle for the corners instead of the 1+1/4" I already got... realized I'd be having to notch it to clear internal parts way too often.
[21:04:46] <PetefromTn_> didn't work
[21:04:48] <Tom_itx> gawd i thought i was slow
[21:04:50] <nema34> but finaly it start to move.
[21:05:09] <Tom_itx> and not you're getting impatient toward the end
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[21:05:33] <Tom_itx> this is the part that takes reading time to understand what the machine is doing and how to tune it
[21:05:47] <nema34> I'm not 100% of the time on the machine. and I order stuff very slow after meserments and thest.
[21:06:19] <Tom_itx> you won't find a better control solution
[21:06:34] <nema34> you know.. some one need to cook, orgnise the home, clean, etc..
[21:06:36] <Tom_itx> not in your payscale anyway
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[21:07:25] <furrywolf> whatever you do, don't use flashcut.
[21:07:30] <nema34> i can pay up to 1000$ for dedicated controller,
[21:08:11] <nema34> furrywolf: why not?
[21:08:49] <furrywolf> because I have a mill that uses it, and I can tell you from experience that both the product and the company are crap.
[21:08:53] <Tom_itx> you won't find one that does what this program does for $1k
[21:09:27] <Tom_itx> i had flashcut too btw and took it off mine
[21:09:34] <furrywolf> the software is buggy as fuck, but they won't let you upgrade it without replacing the hardware at the same time, because they tie hardware versions to software versions. often the hardware only differs by a rom reflash, but they won't just give you a chip...
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[21:11:26] <furrywolf> meh. I should be workin on projects today, but I'm feeling abnormally unenergetic.
[21:11:37] * furrywolf listens to music and ircs instead
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[21:15:55] <Deejay> gn8
[21:16:25] <norias> new one for me
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[21:17:34] <furrywolf> I bought metal today for making my posthole auger adapter... a foot of 1.5" sqt .180 wall, 1" .180 strip, 3/4" .180 strip, 1" .120 strip, 3/4" .120 strip, and .750 round. now to reclaim at least one of my welders from the person borrowing them...
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[21:18:47] <Tom_itx> furrywolf borrow something of his while you're there
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[21:19:19] <furrywolf> stuffing the .120 strip into the sqt makes a ~.875 female end for the power unit, stuffing the .180 strip in the other end makes a ~.750 opening to weld the .750 rod stock into for the auger bit.
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[21:21:01] <nema34-cnc> test
[21:21:14] <furrywolf> test failed, sorry
[21:21:14] <Tom_itx> fail
[21:21:34] <nema34-cnc> ok, now again on the cnc computer...
[21:21:48] <nema34-cnc> I have the zip file.
[21:21:58] <nema34-cnc> and you guys.
[21:22:08] <nema34-cnc> what to do?
[21:22:10] <furrywolf> I think I'm going to go outside and kill blackberries. don't have enough energy to make an enclosure, but wildly swinging a sharp machette around sounds good.
[21:22:36] <Tom_itx> what zip file?
[21:23:09] <nema34-cnc> the zip file from the forum page...
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[21:24:34] <nema34-cnc> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[21:25:39] <roycroft> we have two rent-a-goat services in eugene
[21:25:45] <roycroft> i almost rang one up the other day
[21:25:57] <roycroft> but i decided instead to just deal with the blackberries myself
[21:26:13] <roycroft> the services are pretty neat though - they bring you two goats and a portable fence
[21:26:35] <roycroft> you pay them by the day until the goats have eaten all the blackberry brambles to your satisfaction, then they come take them away
[21:26:48] <nema34-cnc> roycroft, ??goats??
[21:26:51] <Tom_itx> and you're left with goat tirds
[21:27:07] <roycroft> which is great compost material!
[21:27:10] <Jymmm> goats eat poison ivy/oak too
[21:27:11] <furrywolf> goats don't eat blackberries until they've eaten EVERYTHING else within reach, or what they can reach after destroying whatever you were using to tether or contain them.
[21:27:13] <roycroft> you get free compost for doing that
[21:27:15] <roycroft> yes, they do
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[21:27:26] <roycroft> hence the portable fences, furrywolf
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[21:27:58] <Jymmm> roycroft: how much are two goats?
[21:28:00] <furrywolf> my neighbor attempted to fence his goats in. the fence is taller than I am. they still got out.
[21:28:08] <roycroft> i don't know how much they charge
[21:28:19] <roycroft> i know the portable fencing costs more to rent than the goats
[21:28:28] <furrywolf> I caught one of them standing on my pump shed when I got home one day, which has a 6ft roof. you need a 12ft fence or something to keep them in.
[21:28:45] <roycroft> furrywolf: i know you're the eternal skeptic
[21:28:56] <roycroft> but one of these serivices has been around for over a decade, and stays really busy
[21:29:00] <nema34-cnc> you serious about goats?
[21:29:01] <roycroft> the other is only 3-4 years old
[21:29:14] <roycroft> neither would have lasted this long if they were not able to contain the goats
[21:29:15] <roycroft> i am serious
[21:29:28] <Jymmm> I've seen a whoe herd of rent-a-goat clear a field in 2-3 weeks
[21:29:32] <Jymmm> whole
[21:29:53] <furrywolf> they either have small or lazy goats, or tall fences. heh.
[21:30:11] <roycroft> it only takes a couple days to clear a lot
[21:30:16] <furrywolf> it depends on whether there's anything they can use to launch themselves... a 6ft fence with no objects within 10ft would probably work.
[21:30:27] <Jymmm> http://rentagoat.com/
[21:30:46] <furrywolf> they'll happily climb an object (ANYTHING - my neighbor had them dent in the roof of one his bmws by climbing it) to give a jumping point...
[21:31:23] <nema34-cnc> funny. wow.
[21:31:35] <furrywolf> I've seen them on cars, sheds, water tanks, barrels (55gal, upright), fences, solar panels (a couple leaning against a house),...
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[21:31:38] <roycroft> sometimes low tech solutions are the best
[21:32:44] <furrywolf> they'll also butt fences if they think they'll break... or anything else they think will break.
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[21:32:56] <Jymmm> http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/24/meet-goats-amazons-new-goat-rental-service-319532.html
[21:33:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Great, now say something POSITIVE about goats.
[21:33:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Hell, say something POSITIVE about anything?
[21:33:48] <roycroft> one reason i decided to hack away at them myself is that a significant amount of the blackberries are growing in with a couple grape vines
[21:33:52] <roycroft> and i want to keep the grape vines
[21:33:53] <furrywolf> I don't know if goats have positives. I told my neighbor I was having goat curry if I caught them eating my grape vines again. :P
[21:33:58] <furrywolf> LOL
[21:33:59] <roycroft> so i would have to do that part myself anway
[21:34:02] <furrywolf> yes, they love grape vines
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[21:34:14] <roycroft> goats are cute
[21:34:18] <nema34-cnc> how the enamel paint work?
[21:34:23] <roycroft> their milk makes great cheese
[21:34:35] <roycroft> there are two good things about goats
[21:34:53] <nema34-cnc> I like goat milk.
[21:35:31] <furrywolf> I hate goat milk and goat cheese. lol
[21:35:42] <roycroft> and none of us are surprised
[21:35:53] <nema34-cnc> but we love cnc machines..
[21:36:05] <sysdef> everytime you enter a new channel you wonder if offtopic is allowed or not. thanks for the quick e
[21:36:12] <sysdef> enlightenment*
[21:36:17] <furrywolf> lol
[21:36:28] <furrywolf> if offtopic wasn't allowed, I'd have been kicked ages ago.
[21:36:46] <Computer_barf> lets talk politics again
[21:36:49] <Tom_itx> we're just on break
[21:36:50] <Computer_barf> BAM
[21:37:04] <roycroft> if offtopic weren't allowed this would be a very quiet channel most of the time
[21:37:49] <Computer_barf> I've started doing haul away
[21:37:54] * furrywolf usually talks about cnc, cars, music, random projects, yard sales, sex toys, solar power, food,...
[21:37:55] <Computer_barf> as a side buisness
[21:37:58] <Computer_barf> and man
[21:38:01] <Computer_barf> i love it when old people die
[21:38:14] <Computer_barf> their kids usually just want to get rid of their stuff
[21:38:19] <roycroft> now a gps-controlled cultivator that selectively tills up your blackberries would be a form of cnc machinery
[21:38:38] <Computer_barf> its like having people pay you to take away a treasure trove
[21:38:46] <furrywolf> roycroft: see if you can build a blackberry gas generator and use it to power it
[21:38:52] <sysdef> i recently bought a 4 axis controller and and some stuff to build a router. i read in the logs that schef took the journey getting that thing (ST6560-T4) to work so i'll interview him first
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[21:39:03] <sysdef> -and
[21:39:09] <roycroft> oh yes
[21:39:30] <furrywolf> they find some way to make it self-replicating, and you're all set. :P
[21:39:34] <roycroft> just stuff the blackberry vines into the mister fusion fuel chamber
[21:39:45] <Computer_barf> roycroft: I've long wanted a real life farmville
[21:39:49] <roycroft> all you have to do is prime it to get it started, and then it will run itself
[21:40:11] <Computer_barf> you control an interface and robots actually go out into the field and do the work and your mostly issuing commands and monitoring
[21:40:22] <roycroft> i don't know anything about farmville
[21:40:32] <furrywolf> Computer_barf: they already have those. they're called migrant laborers.
[21:40:33] <Computer_barf> probably as much as me
[21:40:38] <roycroft> facebook has never existed for me, and it never will
[21:40:40] <Computer_barf> i know its a game where you plant stuff on facebook
[21:40:59] <roycroft> i like doing manual labor though
[21:41:07] <roycroft> even though i'm getting old and it hurts to do it
[21:41:13] <Computer_barf> hummm
[21:41:17] <Computer_barf> rather robots
[21:41:27] * furrywolf doesn't use facebook either
[21:41:33] <roycroft> i spent most of last saturday cutting blackberry vines and weeding/pruning my raspberry beds
[21:41:39] <furrywolf> migrant labor is cheaper than robots
[21:41:49] <roycroft> i was utterly exhausted at the end of the day, but it felt good to have done that work
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[21:42:05] <roycroft> and it was like 27 degrees out - hottest day of the year so far
[21:42:22] * roycroft forgot to cover his head until mid-afternoon
[21:42:25] <Computer_barf> the value of the robots will be in proportion with their scarcity
[21:42:33] <roycroft> hair is thinning now, so that's more important than it used to be
[21:42:47] <Computer_barf> if all the farming was already done with these robots, those robots would become cheap
[21:42:55] <Computer_barf> their just expensive now
[21:43:00] <malcom2073> mmmmm robots
[21:43:04] <roycroft> most big farming is essentially robotic already
[21:43:26] <roycroft> you sit in a comfortable, air-conditioned combine with cup holders, microwave oven, and good tunes
[21:43:30] <Computer_barf> yeah but those are done with huge automated tractors with gps and such
[21:43:35] <roycroft> the combine is gps-controlled
[21:43:35] <furrywolf> meh, cheapest CS6364 I was able to find was $22 shipped. too much, but I was sick of waiting for someone to answer my craigslist wanted ad.
[21:43:42] <Computer_barf> im thinking about something that could cater to niche markets and smaller scales
[21:43:43] <roycroft> all you're doing is babysitting the thing
[21:43:49] <malcom2073> I really need to get on my robotic lawn mower project.
[21:44:10] <furrywolf> my lawn is about 30ft square... the rest is blackberries.
[21:44:14] <malcom2073> Nice
[21:44:15] <furrywolf> not worth getting a robotic lawnmower. :P
[21:44:20] <roycroft> you need a goat, furrywolf!
[21:44:29] <roycroft> it will take care of both the lawn and the blackberries
[21:44:33] <malcom2073> I have about 1.5 acres, not really worth a robotic lawnmower either
[21:44:37] <malcom2073> but hey, robots.
[21:44:43] <furrywolf> roycroft: as I told my neighbor, any goats I see get turned into goat curry.
[21:44:44] <roycroft> you need a goat too, malcom2073!
[21:44:50] <malcom2073> roycroft: Need a couple
[21:44:54] <roycroft> yes
[21:44:56] <roycroft> they do get lonely
[21:44:58] <malcom2073> lol
[21:45:06] <malcom2073> They suck at cutting evenly, can you train them? :P
[21:45:10] <Computer_barf> the goat curry problem is solved by more goats breeding
[21:45:15] <roycroft> and you really can't befriend a goat like you can with sheep
[21:45:20] <Computer_barf> perpetual goat curry
[21:45:21] <furrywolf> did you know they're quite tasty? an indian place that used to be here served goat leg curry...
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[21:46:23] <roycroft> i don't eat any other mammals
[21:46:31] <furrywolf> why the fuck are CS6364/65/69/etc so damn expensive? the local hardware store wanted $135 for a plug...
[21:46:31] <roycroft> i'll pass on the goat, thank you very much
[21:47:20] <furrywolf> I avoid eating intelligent animals. pigs are about the crossover point. I still eat them, but don't like it as much.
[21:47:26] <furrywolf> goats are fair game.
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[21:48:57] <Computer_barf> defend the innocent by consuming intelligent animals
[21:49:20] <Computer_barf> every time you eat a dolphin you save countless small fish
[21:49:28] <furrywolf> lol
[21:52:09] <Computer_barf> we care about things we can relate to , so we don't want to eat things that are intelligence. But what if something is intelligent but an evolutionary dead end?
[21:52:41] <Computer_barf> maybe something less intelligent has more potential
[21:52:52] <norias> i keep forgetting this is still happening
[21:53:21] <roycroft> i don't eat mammals because they're hard to digest, and because our corporate farm system pumps so many steroids and antibiotics in them they pose long-term health risks
[21:53:36] <roycroft> it has nothing to do with intelligence or cuteness factors
[21:53:45] <norias> many of the mammals i eat
[21:53:51] <norias> try to hide or escape me
[21:53:52] <furrywolf> buy from a local natural farm?
[21:53:56] <norias> if they know i'm there
[21:54:25] <roycroft> and while i know that organic, naturally-raised mammals are available now, i haven't eaten them in almost 40 years, and don't see any compelling reason to start again
[21:54:41] <norias> how about...
[21:54:43] <roycroft> i eat seafood (selectively), and am quite happy with my diet
[21:54:43] <norias> tastyness
[21:54:54] <norias> i'm not happy with your diet
[21:54:55] <norias> wtf
[21:55:03] <Computer_barf> 50 years from now scientists are going to discover they had it all wrong, and that the healthy factor in food is how terrified and sentient of its terror it was right before it died.
[21:55:04] <roycroft> i'm not asking you to adopt my diet
[21:55:19] <roycroft> different strokes for different folks is my motto
[21:55:28] <roycroft> do as you will, not as i say or do
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[21:55:54] <norias> haha, computer_barf
[21:56:04] <malcom2073> Computer_barf: That'd be halarious
[21:56:15] <norias> i've heard people claim
[21:56:26] <norias> different effects on the taste of deer meat
[21:56:31] <norias> but i haven't noticed it
[21:56:44] <malcom2073> Someone did a study somewhere I recall reading, that the more terrified an animal when it dies, the worse it tastes, something about adrenaline and chemicals and stuff
[21:57:09] <Computer_barf> yeah i find that the taste of meat is dependent on how skilled you are at removing the parts that taste bad.
[21:57:23] <norias> see, i've heard that
[21:57:28] <norias> about the adrenaline
[21:57:35] <norias> but i haven't noticed it
[21:57:41] <Computer_barf> ive heard it too
[21:57:51] <Computer_barf> never has the information quite convinced me
[21:57:57] <norias> i've eaten deer that people scared the hell out of before they were shot
[21:58:02] <norias> and i've snuck up on deer
[21:58:06] <norias> and shot them totally unaware
[21:58:11] <norias> taste the same to me
[21:58:21] <Computer_barf> yeah same here.
[21:58:26] <norias> i've heard you have to take off the scent glands
[21:58:30] <norias> but got lazy and didn't
[21:58:34] <norias> nothing happened
[21:58:47] <norias> i've actually gotten increasingly lazy
[21:58:55] <Computer_barf> i wouldnt call it lazy
[21:59:00] <norias> i found out there is this thing called dry aging
[21:59:08] <norias> so, now i just leave them hang for a while
[21:59:13] <norias> and then, i quarter them
[21:59:14] <Computer_barf> harvesting a deer is exhausting shit
[21:59:18] <norias> and freeze the quarters
[21:59:24] <norias> and just cut out what i need
[21:59:45] <norias> the outside maybe 1/8th inch gets freezer burn
[21:59:50] <norias> (whatever that means)
[21:59:53] <Computer_barf> the whole meat eater, vegitarian , vegan , debate
[22:00:02] <norias> but it's the outside that'd i'd trim off anyway
[22:00:06] <Computer_barf> i just feel like , the most improvement that could be had apon the world is that
[22:00:07] <norias> so i trim it off and eat
[22:00:19] <Computer_barf> if at least the people who do eat meat, just once had to clean a deer
[22:00:24] <norias> heh
[22:00:32] <norias> in the spirit of diy
[22:00:36] <Computer_barf> we would have alot more appreciation and respect for where meat comes from
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[22:00:42] <norias> i'm considering building a walk in freezer
[22:00:47] <norias> and doing my own butchering
[22:00:48] <norias> goas
[22:00:51] <norias> goats
[22:00:52] <norias> pigs
[22:00:56] <norias> maybe a side of beef
[22:01:14] <norias> but i want a band saw and a meat slicer first
[22:01:53] <Computer_barf> garage in winter
[22:03:48] <norias> yeah, but then winter ends
[22:03:57] <norias> and it hasn't been as cold here during deer season
[22:04:06] <norias> and i want to buy my goats, etc in the summer, too
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[22:05:16] <Computer_barf> deer season? what's that?
[22:05:38] <norias> hah
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[22:14:34] <norias> cofeeeeeee
[22:17:06] <MrFluffy> hi all, am I understanding this right, if I declare a rotary axis has a locking mechanism in hal, I cant use it for co-ordinated moves with other axis only as a indexer?
[22:17:23] <MrFluffy> now Ive typed that, it makes sense I think...
[22:21:17] <andypugh> MrFluffy: I think that it unlocks any time that it is moving.
[22:21:46] <andypugh> Easy enough to find out, just halmeter the lock pin output
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[22:25:46] <MrFluffy> trying to understand the detail, and Ive found some discussion about locking only for heavy cuts with a M1xx code and putting the lock is home microswitch to a pin and doing a m66 to the input pin, as the axis is locking config only allows indexing not co-ordinated motion.
[22:27:54] <MrFluffy> but if you handed off control of the brake to linuxcnc automatically, how would the trajectory planner know when you wanted a index or a co-ordinated move, so in a fuzzy way that makes sense.
[22:29:05] <MrFluffy> I could just try both like you suggest to check my understanding, good plan
[22:29:17] <zeeshan|2> SUp
[22:29:40] <zeeshan|2> i cant bend the 5/8 6061 plate at school :(
[22:29:42] <zeeshan|2> they dont have a die for it
[22:30:02] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/RNG2wk6.jpg
[22:30:25] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of notching the plate with either a ball nose or taper end mill
[22:30:43] <zeeshan|2> .25" deep from both sides of the plate and then bending then welding
[22:30:46] <zeeshan|2> any other suggestions? :D
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[23:10:28] <zeeshan|2> Blahhhhhhhhhh
[23:11:32] <SpeedEvil> What bend radius do you need?
[23:11:51] <zeeshan|2> 5/8
[23:12:51] <SpeedEvil> you mean OD 5/4?
[23:13:11] <zeeshan|2> huh?
[23:13:14] <zeeshan|2> the material is 5/8 thick
[23:13:17] <zeeshan|2> i want a 5/8 bend radius
[23:13:17] <SpeedEvil> err
[23:13:21] <zeeshan|2> its not critical though
[23:13:31] <SpeedEvil> or rather - how many degrees
[23:13:36] <zeeshan|2> 33.5
[23:13:38] <SpeedEvil> would be the more pertinent question
[23:14:06] <SpeedEvil> What sort of force would that need? 5-10t?
[23:14:14] <zeeshan|2> a lot more than that :P
[23:15:01] <SpeedEvil> Does it re-harden after annealing?
[23:15:13] <SpeedEvil> Aluminium is a lot easier to bend yellow-hot
[23:15:43] <SpeedEvil> (not actually yellow)
[23:15:47] <zeeshan|2> if you look at the uts of 6061 (45000psi), 5/8" * 1.5" is the cross section , F = tau*a = .577*45000*(.625*1.5) = 24342psi
[23:15:49] <zeeshan|2> is the force to shear it
[23:16:04] <zeeshan|2> usually bending is around 40% more
[23:16:26] <zeeshan|2> 24232 lb not psi
[23:16:32] <SpeedEvil> So only 40% higher than my top estimate - yay
[23:16:40] <zeeshan|2> .. so about 34000 lb is the force needed
[23:16:43] <zeeshan|2> to bend it
[23:17:20] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_LSPX8cNaE
[23:17:29] <SpeedEvil> How to build a 100 ton Press for machining, broaching, punching and forming
[23:17:37] <SpeedEvil> - possibly not ideal.
[23:17:39] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:17:49] <JT-Shop> crap I forgot to press the order button yesterday
[23:18:47] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: I guess yes, notch, or cut and weld it back is an obvious option.
[23:19:39] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: I suppose you'd object to the 'put it on a bench vise, put a bit of wood on top of it, and then hit it very hard with a sledgehammer solution?
[23:20:12] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:20:20] <zeeshan|2> i dont know if itll work :(
[23:20:22] <MrFluffy> Sounds brutal, wouldnt you warm it up first too? :)
[23:20:53] <zeeshan|2> maybe i can pick you guys' brain a bit more.
[23:21:03] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/o5acB56.png
[23:21:11] <zeeshan|2> im adding this weldment inside an environmental chamber at school
[23:21:16] <zeeshan|2> to hold my fixture in plkace
[23:21:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/z8luyhe.jpg <- what chamber looks like actually
[23:21:46] <zeeshan|2> the problem is lighting. i need lighting in there for my imaging equipment
[23:22:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/k4y2Sog.png , i was thinking either mounting 4 lights off the front angle pointing in the red direction, or two lights in the mid plane (yellow lines)
[23:22:42] <zeeshan|2> i really need a compact lighting setup that can take 300C to -10C
[23:23:30] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: this is not a constant light?
[23:23:38] <zeeshan|2> yes its always on
[23:24:11] <SpeedEvil> What is the cooling capacity of the chamber before troubling anisothermy kicks in at -10C
[23:24:43] <zeeshan|2> what do you mean cooling capacity?
[23:24:56] <SpeedEvil> The chamber is presumably cooled to -10C.
[23:24:58] <zeeshan|2> are you looking for a number in W ?
[23:25:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:25:27] <SpeedEvil> because you can't have more than that in lights clearly
[23:25:37] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:25:45] <zeeshan|2> it sprays liquid nitrogen in for cooling
[23:25:58] <zeeshan|2> having too many lights will just mean more wasted liquid nitrogen
[23:26:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - but then that goes to cost of operation
[23:26:14] <SpeedEvil> what are the lights for?
[23:26:29] <zeeshan|2> they let me view the sample with my imaging equipment
[23:26:33] <zeeshan|2> for strain measurement
[23:26:41] <zeeshan|2> i just need help finding a fixture
[23:26:43] <zeeshan|2> that is compact :/
[23:27:29] <SpeedEvil> How many lux do you need?
[23:27:38] <zeeshan|2> anything
[23:27:46] <zeeshan|2> ill work with anythin :P
[23:27:49] <zeeshan|2> as long as it can take that temp
[23:28:10] <SpeedEvil> Well - going extreme, you could use a fibre light guide
[23:28:33] <zeeshan|2> that is an extremely goof idea
[23:28:41] <zeeshan|2> fiberglass could take that temp
[23:28:50] * MrFluffy would settle for something shiny outside the box shining through the observation window :)
[23:29:01] <zeeshan|2> MrFluffy: it screws up the equipment
[23:29:02] <zeeshan|2> :(
[23:29:07] <zeeshan|2> cause of the reflection
[23:30:03] <MrFluffy> you could still combine the two thoughts, lamp outside the harsh environment and fibres to duct it to the right place inside
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[23:30:56] <zeeshan|2> Glass fiber is capable of operation up to 900°F (482°C). Beyond this temperature the fiber slowly starts to soften and will fail in a relatively short time. However, adhesives and bonding agents used to assemble the light guide have even lower tolerance to heat. Depending on material(s) used, the limit for high temperature applications is 600°F (315°C) (constant exposure), using a specially desig
[23:30:57] <zeeshan|2> !!
[23:31:04] <zeeshan|2> perfect.
[23:32:40] <MrFluffy> does your imaging equipment cope with that temperature range too?
[23:32:45] <zeeshan|2> its outside
[23:32:48] <SpeedEvil> Does this need to work once, or for 8000h
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[23:32:56] <zeeshan|2> a couple months
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[23:34:30] <MrFluffy> I suppose sawing in a few extra obs windows at the four corners dedicated to the lighting is out the question too... I know... Always the simple lazy way...
[23:35:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/X555-43-E14-High-Temperature-up_218417371.html
[23:35:19] <zeeshan|2> i find links like that
[23:35:24] <zeeshan|2> but its hard to find a direct supplier..
[23:35:27] <zeeshan|2> i wanna order a couple
[23:38:52] <PCW> appliance repair supply?
[23:39:13] <MrFluffy> ebay? but dont the lumens from them suck for imaging use?
[23:40:17] <zeeshan|2> http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/shop/79/09/24/2/4-0-solid-core-quintana-fiber-fiber-optic-lighting-light-guide-fiber-solid-side-light-fiber-optic_1334522.jpg
[23:40:23] <zeeshan|2> that would work if it could take the temp :P
[23:41:13] <SpeedEvil> It's polymer, it will melt
[23:42:07] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ttco.com/industrial/glass-fiberoptic-light-guides.aspx
[23:42:12] <zeeshan|2> found a site w/ prices for light guides
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[23:43:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: how does light travel from the observed object to the camera lens?
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[23:43:29] <zeeshan|2> through the window
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[23:43:36] <CaptHindsight> can the light enter the chamber in the same fashion?
[23:43:40] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/wYf12P7.jpg
[23:43:41] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:43:56] <zeeshan|2> i got 2 cameras + 1 therma lcamera
[23:44:03] <zeeshan|2> it messes all of them up
[23:44:16] <zeeshan|2> window is tiny :[
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[23:44:33] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/z8luyhe.jpg
[23:44:37] <zeeshan|2> at least the whole interior is polished stainless
[23:44:59] <PCW> oven light fixture:
[23:45:01] <PCW> http://www.appliancepartspros.com/whirlpool-oven-light-assy-74011278-ap4100487.html
[23:45:07] <Tom_itx> hm2_7i90.0.7i84.0.0 error= invalid cookie
[23:45:10] <CaptHindsight> how about an incandescent lamp mounted inside the chamber?
[23:45:27] <Tom_itx> Dolt not cleared from previous servo thread....
[23:45:30] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: that was the option i was thinking off.. but light guides seems like a cool idea!
[23:45:50] <Tom_itx> servo thread probably too fast?
[23:46:06] <zeeshan|2> PCW: wish i knew if the contacts were rated to handle that heat
[23:46:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.thorlabs.de/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=6845 - for example
[23:46:11] <zeeshan|2> a lot of these oven lights have a thermal barrier
[23:46:12] <CaptHindsight> hunk of glass with reflective coating on the walls = light guide
[23:46:17] <SpeedEvil> but the coating will be unhappy
[23:46:45] <PCW> no, invalid cookie means probably that you have a electrical issue with the serial connection
[23:46:49] <CaptHindsight> he's only going to 300C
[23:47:08] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: I believe 'hot end' halogen is a thing.
[23:47:19] <SpeedEvil> But now it is impossible to search the internet for 'hot end'
[23:47:24] <Tom_itx> that was what the error said
[23:47:27] <Tom_itx> i added the ?
[23:47:30] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:47:47] <CaptHindsight> "hot end" -pron -3d printer
[23:48:30] <Tom_itx> PCW, i'm not sure what do do about that.. the cable is only about 8" long
[23:48:46] <PCW> yeah but doit not cleared can also mean that the remote did not answer
[23:49:14] <PCW> sounds like you have a marginal signal problem somehow
[23:49:55] <MrFluffy> ok, intercom is summoning me into the house, later people
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[23:50:24] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: On the 'crappy solutions that I suspect will work' front. Find some 300C rated wire. Get a 25W halogen capsule. Get sme nice SS bolts, and clamp your wire quite hard onto a couple of washers gripping the leads
[23:51:00] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: it really needs to be in a housing
[23:51:06] <zeeshan|2> cause i wanna frost the housing to diffuse the light
[23:51:09] <PCW> length is not likely the issue (we tested at 10MB/S and 100 feet for 3 weeks at 5 KHz ~100 byte packet update rate = 0 errors)
[23:51:19] <zeeshan|2> https://www.rangehoodsinc.com/product_images/v/231/halogen__41027_zoom.jpg
[23:51:24] <zeeshan|2> isnt that reflector thing plastic ?
[23:51:53] <PCW> no
[23:51:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.energylightbulbs.co.uk/products/g9-halogen-25w-frosted?gclid=CPPc19z0v8UCFQbItAodoQYAVA
[23:52:25] <zeeshan|2> find me a housing for that! :P
[23:52:37] <Tom_itx> PCW how do i tell the baud it's running?
[23:52:41] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: see above
[23:52:48] <zeeshan|2> im there
[23:52:49] <PCW> its 2.5 MB
[23:52:51] <zeeshan|2> i see a bulb :P
[23:53:14] <PCW> (mesaflash will tel you also)
[23:53:19] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: what generally works best for me is to get all the specifications and features required in front of me then design what works vs start with something and piecemeal in features as it goes along
[23:53:30] <Tom_itx> slowing it down wouldn't help?
[23:53:39] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i know exactly what i want
[23:53:55] <PCW> no you have a major electrical issue of some kind
[23:54:03] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:54:21] <zeeshan|2> i want diffuse light, in the arrangement i posted earlier, it needs to take -10 to 300C. i want to mount it on the weldment properly
[23:54:35] <zeeshan|2> wire is sorted. fixture is the main thing not sorted out
[23:54:56] <PCW> missing 1/2 of differential pair, no termination or something like that
[23:55:09] <zeeshan|2> i think a light pipe would be kind of cool
[23:55:13] <zeeshan|2> cause it can take even higher temps! :P
[23:55:19] <zeeshan|2> and i can use led's
[23:55:30] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: A fixture is just a couple of small clamps that work to 300C
[23:55:33] <PCW> and you can chose the light source
[23:55:42] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: I have a stupid LED design.
[23:55:53] <zeeshan|2> yes pcw and also you dont heat the chamber when youre trying to cool it!
[23:56:00] <zeeshan|2> i really like SpeedEvil's light pipe idea :)
[23:56:03] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: Take a standard 5mm LED package. Now, replace the legs with hypodermics.
[23:56:25] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: i dont do herion :)
[23:56:26] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: add a 3mm copper cube in the middle, then mount 3mm square 1W LEDs to the edges of the cube.
[23:57:02] <SpeedEvil> The very silly version is a 10mm LED equivalent package, with 5*50W 7*7mm LEDs.
