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[00:00:39] <MrFluffy> http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38153-1/jukebox2.jpg
[00:01:00] <MrFluffy> someone gave it me because it was broken, but it was only a limit switch gone...
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[00:34:41] <MrFluffy> right fixtures all set up ready, time to go in from the shop. gnite all.
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[00:39:23] <zeeshan> andypugh: =]
[00:39:44] <andypugh> ?
[00:40:04] <zeeshan> only you can relate to
[00:40:11] <zeeshan> when someone makes progress in thesis research
[00:40:14] <zeeshan> =]
[00:40:22] <zeeshan> in this channel i think haha
[00:40:47] * zeeshan has been blowing up samples all day
[00:40:55] <zeeshan> with repetitive results
[00:41:22] <zeeshan> i also tested some aluminum foil, and other polymers and that band thing isn't happening on them
[00:41:28] <zeeshan> definitely material related
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[01:09:30] * furrywolf can relate
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[01:14:37] <andypugh> zeeshan: You may have your own “effect” yet
[01:15:30] <andypugh> I just noticed the time. I need to go.
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[01:23:39] * furrywolf is offended at zeeshan's forgetting someone helping with said research
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[01:32:30] <jdh> you just wouldn't understand.
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[02:18:25] <PetefromTn_> Well that damn cast iron cut pretty much like butter hehe..
[02:18:43] <Tom_itx> we knew it would
[02:19:13] <Tom_itx> someone mentioned the other day it has graphite in it
[02:19:15] <PetefromTn_> I figured it would too but I had to do a lot of cutting with an 1/8 inch cutter so I was thinking there would be a bit of breakage
[02:19:20] <Tom_itx> that's a natural lubricant
[02:19:43] <PetefromTn_> I guess so
[02:19:47] <furrywolf> so now that debian 8 is out, is linuxcnc going to use it, or switch to devuan?
[02:20:48] <PetefromTn_> I probably could have doubled my feeds and speeds actually...
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[02:39:25] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: slackware
[02:45:55] <furrywolf> eww
[02:53:43] <zeeshan> furrywolf: lol i appreciate your halp
[02:53:44] <zeeshan> :)
[02:54:06] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im glad it worked out!
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[02:55:28] <zeeshan> i fixed a major issue on the mill
[02:55:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah thanks man.
[02:55:33] <zeeshan> i thought it was running at 3150 rpm
[02:55:37] <zeeshan> but it was actually running at half that.
[02:55:45] <zeeshan> and i was feeding for 3150 rpm all this while lol
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[02:56:20] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:58:27] <furrywolf> lol
[02:58:40] <Cromaglious_> My dad is still running his Maximus 1's from radio shack my mum got him in 1971 still... One of the Minimus 1's blew a cone though about 20 years ago, havent gotten around to fixing it
[03:00:30] <Cromaglious_> great sounding speaker. Solid wood construction too
[03:01:10] <Cromaglious_> Also need to replace the volume pot on the receiver
[03:01:51] <Cromaglious_> still works... Contact cleaner just doesn't work anymore...
[03:02:15] <Cromaglious_> so when you adjust volume, snap, crackle, pop.
[03:02:55] <Cromaglious_> Hmm or I could replace it with a digital resistor and make it blue toothable
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[03:07:10] <norias> howdy
[03:08:59] <Cromaglious_> hiya again
[03:09:29] <Cromaglious_> wow one owner has 3 horses entered into the Derby
[03:11:11] <norias> huh
[03:11:19] <norias> derby is something i know very little of
[03:11:25] <norias> it's a horse race
[03:11:27] <norias> i know that
[03:11:35] <norias> the jockey's are small
[03:12:20] <norias> <- reading up on HSMWorks post-processing
[03:13:43] <furrywolf> ... how the fuck can google maps suck so badly?
[03:13:51] <norias> ha!
[03:15:16] <furrywolf> I want to know the distance from the highway to an address. So far it's managed to not load correctly in several different ways, ignore what I type in and show a random road, refuse to figure out where the highway is, and give me a route that's 135 miles instead of 4 miles.
[03:15:31] <furrywolf> all while being slow as fuck
[03:15:56] <norias> that's amazing
[03:16:14] <Cromaglious_> heh, it's fsck'd me more than a couple times
[03:16:49] <Cromaglious_> routed me down some roads that don't exist, and won't route me shorter router that does
[03:17:37] <furrywolf> oh, and their "new and improved" design animates everything, making it intentionally god damn annoyingly fucking slow for no reason at all. If I click something, FUCKING DO IT. don't slowly fade it. don't slowly expand a box. don't slowly pan. Why the fuck would I want to sit there and watch something slowly happen, instead of happening instantly?
[03:17:42] <furrywolf> it's like UI design has gone backwards 30 years.
[03:18:40] * norias looks at the clock on his computer.
[03:18:49] <norias> I'd take 30 years.
[03:19:08] <norias> Pre-windows.
[03:19:15] <norias> Didn't click on anything.
[03:19:24] <norias> But when you typed something...
[03:19:47] <furrywolf> back when you had a terminal session over your modem, it was acceptable for the information you want to slowly be drawn on the screen, and keystrokes to take a second to appear. then this got better. now, for some reason, we're intentionally making things slow.
[03:20:51] <furrywolf> fashionably late does not apply to displaying information.
[03:22:32] <furrywolf> I can not comprehend why anyone would want any of these things animated. Quicker is better. Animating them just wastes time.
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[03:32:32] <Cromaglious_> gpm is your friend! under dos I always ran DesqView and it had mouse copy and paste
[03:33:35] <zeeshan> lol
[03:33:41] <zeeshan> im teaching my gf major and minor strain
[03:33:48] <zeeshan> she gets it quicker than most mech eng do!
[03:34:16] <Cromaglious_> then again instead of running multi headed computers, I had 2 to 4 computers... in '93 I was running 2ea 386sx-33 w/ 4MB, and 1 4x86-133 and a 286-20
[03:34:53] <Cromaglious_> that Harris 286-20 was FAST!
[03:37:20] * furrywolf needs a gf... one that's smart, mature, sane, practical, and good with a strapon.
[03:37:26] <Cromaglious_> in '94 I upgraded the sx's to 386DX-40 w/ copro's and the 386sx replaced the 286-20 and built another box since the 4x86-133 went to San Francisco to a .DOT bomb eappraisers.com
[03:44:25] <Cromaglious_> I didn't get a 486DX until I was given a 486DX2-50 which was promptlied boosted to a 486DX2-80 in '98
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[04:26:13] <t12> dang
[04:26:17] <t12> failure repairing the controller
[04:26:30] <t12> i suppose i could abandon that route and go back to encoder -> mesa
[04:29:04] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[06:48:58] <Deejay> moin
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[07:17:55] <alex_joni> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfEVtA7JMg
[07:27:22] <MrSunshine> how.. the .. hell
[07:27:49] <MrSunshine> some kind of black mojo there
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[07:38:29] <alex_joni> geometry is a bitch
[07:38:52] <LeelooMinai> It seems it overlaps a a "guide" thread on top of the normal one to guid the bit or something like that
[07:39:11] <LeelooMinai> So the result thread is probably not perfect
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[07:45:08] <MrSunshine> yeah feels like something has to be comporomized for the speed
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[08:00:33] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: I'm not awake
[08:01:09] <SpeedEvil> Is that leaving a helical disruption in the thread by plunging, and then simply roll-forming all of the threads at once using half a turn then removing?
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[08:12:39] <archivist> and two useless spirals to reduce the thread strength
[08:13:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
[08:13:21] <SpeedEvil> But by perhaps 20% tops.
[08:13:39] <SpeedEvil> And it's usually not as simple as that because that's not how thread engagement works
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[08:14:07] <archivist> it is that simple
[08:15:06] <SpeedEvil> Not if the remaining thread can load the fastner to tensile failure
[08:15:24] <archivist> you then need a more accurate pitch on both parts to get better engagement to retain any strength
[08:16:29] <archivist> then the strain from the force changes all that putting a higher load on the reduced sized out threads
[08:16:37] <archivist> out/outer
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[08:30:50] <Tom_shop> i bet that punch tap leaves a ridge inside
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[08:33:13] <Tom_itx> used in high production threads, not precision threads
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[09:00:33] <alex_joni> "When the tool plunges into the pre-drilled tap-hole, two helical grooves opposite each other are machined. By means of a 180° rotation the thread is cold-formed throughout the entire depth. The tool is now retracted from the thread through the two helical grooves."
[09:01:30] <alex_joni> and they use it for aluminum 7-12%Si only
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[09:03:56] <alex_joni> . But does a thread manufactured by a Punch Tap really achieve the
[09:03:56] <alex_joni> same strength as a conventionally cold.formed thread? .The answer is a clear yes. In a transition
[09:03:59] <alex_joni> area with an unusually low screwed.in depth, the conventionally cold.formed thread performs a little
[09:04:02] <alex_joni> bit better under statical conditions which is not surprising and does not have any practical
[09:04:05] <alex_joni> consequences.
[09:04:22] <alex_joni> . The tests show nearly identical
[09:04:22] <alex_joni> strength values of the Punch Tap thread compared to conventionally cold.formed threads. The tests
[09:04:25] <alex_joni> are conducted among others with cylinderheads (workpiece material AlSi7Mg and AlSi10Mg) of AUDI
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[09:20:34] <XXCoder> boo
[09:24:13] * Deejay frightens
[09:27:10] <XXCoder> whoa that was too much
[09:27:12] <XXCoder> heh
[09:34:00] <Deejay> ;-)
[09:37:59] <XXCoder> hows things
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[09:51:53] <Deejay> little stressful atm
[09:52:29] <Deejay> but its good when the business is going, right? ;)
[09:52:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:52:57] <XXCoder> I did pretty well at work today too.
[09:53:06] <XXCoder> finished a job from setup to close
[09:53:14] <XXCoder> then I setup second job and did 1/3 of it
[09:55:52] <Deejay> sounds good :)
[09:56:08] <XXCoder> yeah far better than last week
[09:56:18] <XXCoder> I ruined 3 parts, all by stupid mistakes
[09:59:13] <XXCoder> whooo
[09:59:16] <XXCoder> ksp 1.0 is out
[09:59:29] <Deejay> hopefully you learned something and do better next time ;)
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[11:30:28] <_methods> heh been thinking about that tap all the way into work
[11:30:51] <_methods> that spiral lets it make a partial thread form to depth
[11:30:59] <_methods> then it does a thread mill at bottom
[11:31:14] <_methods> then retracts on same pitch out
[11:31:48] <_methods> you'd have to do a tapping cycle to thread final depth, stop, circle mill thread, then tap cycle out
[11:32:30] <_methods> probably have to make a custom macro/canned cycle for that tap
[11:33:28] <_methods> you'd have to do multiple steps for deep tapped holes
[11:33:50] <_methods> would be awesome for shallow blind tapped holes
[11:37:52] <Tom_itx> so get half dozen of em and write us a cycle for it :D
[11:39:42] * jthornton can't visualize that tap in his head
[11:40:20] <jthornton> I think I'm backing up the XP...
[11:41:44] <jthornton> at least backuppc did not have an error yet on the backup
[11:56:34] <_methods> well i think the spiral and thread form cutters are spaced to allow it to cut a single thread form at a high pitch
[11:56:59] <_methods> then when it gets to depth and it's doing a thread/circle mill it's cutting the full thread form
[11:57:23] <_methods> but it's feeding in at like triple pitch initially
[11:57:29] <_methods> and feeding out at triple pitch
[11:59:26] <_methods> i think there's probably very little engagement of the tap teeth on the way in
[11:59:39] <_methods> it's probably cutting at minor dia just barely on the way in
[12:00:14] <_methods> then the thread mill cycle moves out to nominal dia and wipes out the cuts that may have been created on the way in
[12:01:35] <_methods> hmm nm i guess it's fully forming to depth
[12:02:47] <_methods> guess it only works in aluminum with 7-12% si
[12:05:01] <_methods> regular emuge taps are expensive i can only imagine how much those magical taps are
[12:06:02] <_methods> http://punchtap.com/en/download/ZP10093_GB_PunchTap-Flyer.pdf
[12:09:00] <_methods> well those sprial cuts it leaves through the threads will rule them out for any food grade or medical grade products
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[12:14:43] <archivist> or high reliability, strength or accurate
[12:17:46] <MarkusBec> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbeb7yRb7M0&channel=1emugefranken
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[13:11:10] <jthornton> baa, I'm in data restriction for the rest of the month
[13:11:25] <_methods> wtf?
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[13:11:28] <_methods> your isp?
[13:11:38] <jthornton> used up my 10GB
[13:11:48] <jthornton> updating the shop computer
[13:12:14] <jthornton> on a good note I got the XP to backup
[13:12:24] <SpeedEvil> 10 whole gigabytes? Wow.
[13:13:42] <_methods> phone?
[13:13:54] <_methods> mobile data or something?
[13:14:01] <Tecan> 2 dollars a gig after 20 here
[13:14:12] <jthornton> satellite
[13:14:29] <_methods> you can't have the cloud lol
[13:14:30] <_methods> only fog
[13:14:45] <jthornton> lol only mist
[13:14:50] * SpeedEvil has just checked.
[13:15:13] <SpeedEvil> The last three months, I used 280-310gb eacn month.
[13:15:13] <_methods> man wtf you supposed to do with 10gb
[13:15:25] <_methods> yeah that sounds more like it lol
[13:15:28] <SpeedEvil> I have a stream up in the background.
[13:15:47] <Tecan> SpeedEvil i was that way untill they capped it
[13:15:51] <jthornton> your careful what you view like videos and photos
[13:15:57] <SpeedEvil> That's 'only' 110K/s
[13:16:40] <Tecan> jthorton you have the firefox plugin to pick the lower resolution video's on youtube yes ?
[13:16:53] <_methods> 277gb for me this month
[13:16:55] <Tecan> smartvideo for youtube
[13:16:58] <Tecan> its called
[13:17:28] <jthornton> $10 for another GB lol
[13:17:34] <Tecan> ouch
[13:17:35] <_methods> only 2.9tb so far this year lol
[13:18:07] <_methods> sux i lost my 3 years of rrd graphs when i updated my pfsense box
[13:18:12] <Tecan> methods you must be a pirate of somesort, downloading all the linux distro's wouldnt even total that
[13:18:13] <_methods> the rrd data got corrupted
[13:18:22] <jthornton> I have unlimited between 12pm and 5am
[13:18:35] <Tecan> i used to collect books then i stopped
[13:18:35] <_methods> pirate is an understatment lol
[13:18:53] <Tecan> stopped around 2008 when Aren got trialed
[13:19:04] <_methods> i have a plex server that some of my good friends get on and watch movies from that uses a bunch of bandwidth
[13:19:09] <SpeedEvil> ^all the above is legal data.
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[13:19:43] <_methods> tor/vpn
[13:19:47] <_methods> FTW
[13:20:05] <_methods> i'm gonna enjoy the wild west as much as i can while it's still the wwild west
[13:20:14] <Tecan> cant says im jelous downloading useless shit takes alot of time
[13:20:37] <Tecan> time better spent coding and making things
[13:20:43] <SpeedEvil> For example, at the moment I'm streaming nasa tV
[13:20:57] <_methods> i like to relax and what a movie or tv show at times
[13:20:59] <SpeedEvil> rather than waiting for updates on the Progress mission which is currently failing
[13:21:03] <_methods> can't be makin chips all the time
[13:21:15] <_methods> s/what/watch
[13:21:25] <jthornton> dang I pay $50 a month for 10GB and $10 equipment leasing fee
[13:21:44] <Tecan> jthorton are you in the stix ?
[13:22:23] <Tecan> you might want to look into waverider hardware setup a unlicenced 900 mhz long range wifi setup
[13:22:25] <jthornton> yea, there is a cable that runs down the highway but it doesn't hook to anything lol
[13:22:39] <_methods> man that's brutal
[13:22:48] <_methods> not sure what i'd do without my internetz
[13:22:59] <Tecan> there are lots of last mile options for highspeed too
[13:23:00] <jthornton> could be worse I could be on Hughes net lol
[13:23:04] <Tecan> adsl2 or vdsl
[13:23:07] <Tecan> xdsl
[13:23:34] <Tecan> think its like 5km range or something
[13:23:43] <Tecan> through a copper twisted pair
[13:24:06] <_methods> all i have at work is dsl and it's painful
[13:24:10] <jthornton> and who would I connect this to?
[13:24:40] <_methods> half the time i have to remote into my home network and do all my downloading thorugh that then at lunch put what i need on a thumb drive
[13:27:22] <Tecan> one thing you will find with downloading is its hard to stop, losses can be catastrophic and it takes lots of time sorting
[13:28:11] <Tecan> before 500 gb harddrives we used to have to store everything on dvd's
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[13:30:49] <JT-Shop> my big killer used to be solidworks downloading updates
[13:31:25] <Tecan> apple updates get like that too with alot of devices
[13:31:49] <Tecan> couple phones and an ipad is like 1.5 gb worth of updates every month
[13:32:32] <_methods> 10gb is a sneeze lol
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[14:03:44] <cpresser> is there a clever trick for a second set of reverse kinematics?
[14:04:38] <cpresser> i am going to mount a camera to my scara robot, however its not in the controlled point. the offset is fixed in joint coordinates, but not in cartesian.
[14:05:08] <cpresser> but in order to actually use the camera, i need its cartesian xy values.
[14:15:34] <_methods> anyone in here have one of these
[14:15:36] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/30-inch-shear-press-brake-and-slip-roll-5907.html
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[14:37:21] <CaptHindsight> _methods: yes
[14:38:13] <CaptHindsight> got it for something I needed right away, mostly gets tripped over now
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[14:43:03] <_methods> ahh
[14:43:10] <_methods> so it pretty much sux?
[14:43:25] <_methods> i wouldn't expect a whole lot more from it
[14:43:43] <_methods> thought it might be nice for making some small enclosures and stuff
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[14:53:47] <dirty_d> jbweld to the rescue
http://i.imgur.com/77Nyo6k.jpg
[14:54:11] <dirty_d> never used it before, hopefully it holds up
[14:54:56] <_methods> hahah it always works until you need it
[14:55:03] <_methods> then it blows up on you hehe
[14:55:26] <_methods> jb weld is good buddies with that murphy guy
[14:56:25] <Rab> That Jefferson talisman should bring good luck, though.
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[14:57:01] <_methods> heheh
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[14:57:37] <_methods> adding money to a project always helps haha
[14:57:42] <dirty_d> it doent have to hold any weight, but its a carb thats bolted to an engine, so i guess it will be vibrating a lot
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[14:58:12] <_methods> it will work fine until your wife is about to give birth or something equally important
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[14:58:24] <_methods> then it will blow up
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[14:59:33] <dirty_d> lol
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[14:59:40] <dirty_d> hmm how does this work with no flux? <_methods> it will work fine until your wife is about to give birth or something equally important
[14:59:42] <dirty_d> oops
[14:59:50] <dirty_d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFf3zO2Ys64
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[15:00:30] <_methods> no idea never tried brazing alum
[15:00:46] <_methods> must be something in the stick that shields
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[15:01:20] <Rab> I hear you can solder to aluminum, under oil.
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[15:01:43] <Rab> I haven't tried it. I assume you have to scrape off the oxide layer under oil first.
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[15:03:08] <furrywolf> you can solder aluminum in air just fine with nickel filler
[15:03:21] <dirty_d> this looks like it works better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCMMEs5pdI
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[15:03:34] <furrywolf> somewhere on the solder - brazing scale, at least.
[15:03:54] <dirty_d> nickel?
[15:03:59] <dirty_d> that melts at like 2500F
[15:04:24] <furrywolf> the aluminum brazing rods are mostly nickel iirc.
[15:05:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: if you adjust it and get the hang of it then it does its job
[15:06:03] <_methods> like most HF stuff i guess
[15:06:21] <CaptHindsight> _methods: used it to make cold roll and SS enclosures
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[15:06:33] <CaptHindsight> I mostly use it as a shear
[15:06:43] <_methods> can it bend 14ga plain carbon?
[15:06:57] <_methods> i'm guessing that would be pushing it
[15:07:04] <_methods> from teh look of the punches and die
[15:07:33] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I'd wear glasses and not do too many
[15:07:49] <_methods> well i won't do that then lol
[15:07:58] <_methods> 16ga?
[15:08:12] <_methods> i see the shear has a 22ga max
[15:08:18] <CaptHindsight> the main complaints are poor castings with voids
[15:08:32] <_methods> i saw one guy bitching that the casting snapped in half on him
[15:08:41] <CaptHindsight> I've cut #18 SS
[15:08:52] <_methods> well i could live with #18
[15:09:03] <_methods> that's good enough for what i want to do
[15:09:22] <_methods> if it will shear 18ga ss then it should bend 16ga pcs
[15:09:36] <CaptHindsight> I can try later
[15:09:54] <CaptHindsight> never used the rollers
[15:09:59] <_methods> 16ga is a good thickness for little enclosures
[15:10:03] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/8-piece-low-temperature-aluminum-welding-rods-44810.html HF sells them as "welding", but it's brazing/soldering.
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[15:13:11] <furrywolf> maybe it's zinc not nickel. been a while since I've looked at them.
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[15:13:32] <membiblio> Greetings everyone. Have any of you ever run a Frenic 50000 (G9S) manually from the front panel, hit the PROTECTED DATA item and been able to change the device (in reg 200 I think?) to unprotected and then run it manually?
[15:13:42] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: I have those
[15:15:00] <CaptHindsight> works in a pinch to fill voids, not good for sheet unless you get really good since the aluminum melts just above the temp of the rods
[15:15:13] <furrywolf> zinc probably would make more sense. lol
[15:15:41] <dirty_d> hmm, this stuff looks like it works pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwawTk9gXI
[15:15:54] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://imagebin.ca/v/1ztphWKVKTyP used it to make SS enclosures
[15:16:18] <CaptHindsight> save me thousands over off the shelf units
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[15:17:29] <_methods> yeah that's what i want it for
[15:17:48] <_methods> be nice to make my own square to rounds and ductwork stuff too
[15:18:14] <CaptHindsight> $200 in SS sheet and $100 in restaurant SS steam table pans
[15:18:17] <_methods> what is that a 3 stage cleaning station?
[15:18:27] <CaptHindsight> water baths
[15:18:44] <_methods> haha sous vide cookers
[15:18:50] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[15:19:07] <_methods> didn't even take the coating off the stainless lol
[15:19:07] <CaptHindsight> also $200ea vs $2k for a lab heater
[15:19:47] <_methods> well that sounds like it would bend whatever i have planned
[15:20:01] <_methods> if i need to bend anything heavier i can just do it at work
[15:21:10] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I figured I'd just get a press brake if I ever needed to make a large run
[15:22:01] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man broke a tap in a stainless part and I GOTTA get it out SIGH!
[15:22:11] <_methods> http://imgur.com/6zqYSod
[15:22:22] <_methods> had to bend that in bench vise lol
[15:22:29] <_methods> ugh broken taps suck ballz
[15:23:24] <PetefromTn_> Indeed
[15:23:31] <_methods> what size tap?
[15:23:43] <CaptHindsight> _methods: should be fine for things like that
[15:23:48] <PetefromTn_> I think it was a 10-32
[15:23:53] <_methods> ouch
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[15:24:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I may be screwd here.
[15:24:18] <PetefromTn_> worst part is it was deep when it broke of course
[15:24:30] <_methods> 1/8" carbide end mill
[15:24:40] <PetefromTn_> I don't have a carbide drill that thin
[15:25:00] <_methods> hmmm
[15:25:03] <_methods> no carbide
[15:25:05] <PetefromTn_> I have some 3 flute carbide maritool endmills
[15:25:18] <PetefromTn_> 1/8 inch
[15:25:23] <_methods> well be prepared to lose some then
[15:25:29] <_methods> those will work just take it slow
[15:26:05] <_methods> how accurate can you locate on the tap now?
[15:26:26] <_methods> 1/8 should wipe out most of the tap i would think
[15:26:27] <PetefromTn_> worst part is the machine is setup with a fixture I don't want to move right now..
[15:26:37] <PetefromTn_> not very unfortunately
[15:26:51] <_methods> yeaht that's usually how it is lol
[15:27:07] <PetefromTn_> I may be able to clamp down another vise on the side and hold the part
[15:27:18] <PetefromTn_> sucks AZZ
[15:28:03] <roycroft> i've decided to be done with breaking taps for a while
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[15:28:06] <roycroft> it's too much of a pain in the butt
[15:28:13] <PetefromTn_> I was pleasantly surprised at how good these maritool 4 flute tialn endmills did in that cast iron part yesterday. I figured I would be breaking stuff but it worked beautifully.
[15:28:19] <_methods> nothing like a broken tap to put a grinding halt on all progress
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[15:28:33] <_methods> yeah cast iron is usually cake
[15:28:37] <PetefromTn_> whats stupid is it seemed to be tapping really well.
[15:28:39] <_methods> just the dust sux
[15:28:54] <PetefromTn_> then SNAP!
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[15:29:10] <_methods> is it a lot of holes?
[15:29:11] <PetefromTn_> just frustrating
[15:29:16] <PetefromTn_> just one
[15:29:28] <_methods> you only have to tap one hole per part?
[15:29:29] <PetefromTn_> its in the side of a radiused piece
[15:29:41] <PetefromTn_> no the part has three holes
[15:29:46] <PetefromTn_> it broke on the last hole
[15:29:56] <_methods> that sux
[15:30:03] <PetefromTn_> big time
[15:30:14] <roycroft> it always breaks on the last hole
[15:30:18] <_methods> yep
[15:30:32] <_methods> one of those life rules lol
[15:30:33] <roycroft> or right after you've done the most difficult machining operation
[15:30:46] <_methods> thy tappeth shall always breaketh upon the lasteth hole
[15:31:00] <PetefromTn_> Well I will try to mill it out with the MPG and that endmill I guess
[15:31:15] <_methods> i hope your not too attached to teh endmill
[15:31:19] <CaptHindsight> that happened to me so often, I now stop before the last hole and take my time
[15:31:30] <_methods> i always seem to snap an endmill gettin one out
[15:31:35] <PetefromTn_> naah I am more attached to the part I think. GOt several of these 3 fluters here..
[15:31:44] <_methods> yeah that's a good situationt hen
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[15:31:52] <_methods> drill away
[15:31:56] <CaptHindsight> same for dill bits in SS
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[15:32:30] <_methods> i wonder if you could make like a ghetto tap disentegrator with an arc gouge rod turned down to a small diameter
[15:32:42] <_methods> i might have to try that one day
[15:32:49] <CaptHindsight> hand held EDM
[15:32:52] <_methods> yeah
[15:33:45] <tjtr33> MarkusBec, thx, the punch tap is cool. (older techs actually orbit like edm )
[15:35:07] <_methods> PetefromTn_: make sure you bust off as much of the tap stickin out as possible
[15:35:13] <_methods> try to get it as flat as you can
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[15:35:46] <CaptHindsight> then put a sticker over it :)
[15:35:50] <_methods> hahahah
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[15:36:04] <_methods> now that's a good idea
[15:36:23] <roycroft> i've wondered in the past if a round ended end mill would be good to start grinding down a broken tap while flattening it out
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[15:36:54] <roycroft> i've tried using punches and the like to chip away the jagged edge but usually don't end up doing a very good job of it
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[15:37:11] <CaptHindsight> end mill vs ball joint caps, the caps win
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[15:37:32] <roycroft> then i try an end mill, but as careful as i can be, the end mill often grabs on a jagged bit of the tap and breaks
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[15:39:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjCytNO1lNU Spark erosion removal of broken thread in turbo charger
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[15:40:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbeKxFBZrF8 Broken Tap Removal by Metal Disintegration Machine (MDM)
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[15:41:01] <tjtr33> mdm aint edm, mdm makes contact, arcs and retracts (rinse repeat ) edm never touches and sparks ( sparks aint arcs ) :)
[15:41:22] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I wasn't gettin picky
[15:41:54] <tjtr33> this week Capt ( recovering still )
[15:42:07] <CaptHindsight> no problem :)
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[15:43:44] <_methods> yeah you usually end up losing an endmill when the tap spins in there when you get to the bottom
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[15:50:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/t-handle-tap-ratchet-wrench-97633.html so far this is the only HF tool that is well worth the $20
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[15:50:34] <CaptHindsight> and maybe some hammers
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[15:52:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/material-handling/dollies/30-in-x-18-in-1000-lb-capacity-polypropylene-dolly-69565.html and I keep 500lb drums on these without issue
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[15:54:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/sockets-ratchets.html and these make for great paperweights :)
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[15:54:59] <roycroft> i'll buy a hf hand tool once in a while
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[15:55:09] <roycroft> when i need a throw-away tool
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[15:55:47] <Rab> I have one of their 1/2" deep impact socket sets and honestly, it's been indestructable for automotive stuff.
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[15:56:19] <CaptHindsight> the packaged sets of screws, clips, solderless connectors etc are also low cost and handy
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[15:56:38] <Rab> I'm more suspicious of that stuff.
[15:56:45] <roycroft> i occasionally have to remove a fastener that i can't access with conventional tools, but if i take an open end wrench and bend and twist it just so i can get a purchase on the fastener
[15:56:49] <Rab> Escpecially anything electrical.
[15:56:50] <roycroft> that's where hf and a torch come in handy
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[15:57:11] <roycroft> their marine heat shrink tubing actually works decently
[15:57:12] <CaptHindsight> I use a HF compound miter with a really nice non-ferrous saw blade for cutting extrusions
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[15:57:20] <roycroft> and i buy nitrile gloves from hf
[15:57:38] <Rab> ^^
[15:57:42] <CaptHindsight> I thought I'd be returing it after 6 months for the warranty but I haven't even gone through the first set of brushes
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[15:57:53] <CaptHindsight> the saw blade cost more than the saw
[15:58:02] <roycroft> their hydraulic body tools are ok too
[15:58:27] <Rab> Oh also, the $15 HF angle grinder is indestructable. I've had a bunch of friends buy them and try.
[15:58:55] <Rab> Pretty good value.
[15:58:59] <CaptHindsight> Rab: electric or pneumatic?
[15:59:03] <Rab> CaptHindsight, electric.
[15:59:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/grinders-buffers/4-12-in-43-amp-angle-grinder-60625.html
[15:59:42] <Rab> Yeah, that.
[16:00:03] <roycroft> yes, i buy those, rab
[16:00:07] <roycroft> the grinders
[16:00:20] <CaptHindsight> I tried the band saw and returned it the same day
[16:00:22] <Rab> They have a "heavy duty" one for $5-10 more, but I don't know if the price/disposability calculus makes it worth it.
[16:00:22] <roycroft> i have a set with wire brushes - one for steel, one for ss, and one for aluminium
[16:00:32] <roycroft> and the same with grinding wheels
[16:00:56] <roycroft> the tools are so cheap it's worth having multiples to save having to swap tooling around
[16:01:03] <Rab> Their palm sander is a total POS, don't be fooled. Anything name brand is better.
[16:01:37] <CaptHindsight> no real success with their pneumatic tools
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[16:04:44] <_methods> i have this 5 gallon air compressor i got from harbor freight like 10 years ago
[16:04:56] <_methods> damn thing just won't di
[16:04:57] <_methods> die
[16:05:29] <_methods> i've never added oil to it or anything and i've abused the hell out of it hoping it would die so i would have a good excuse to buy a new better compressor
[16:07:36] <Rab> Weird how they're so hit and miss across a line of seemingly equivalent junky products.
[16:09:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw-with-laser-guide-system-61969.html got this on special for ~$100 and added
http://tenryusawblades.com/product.php?productid=17913
[16:10:17] <CaptHindsight> the bearings on the rails are a little crunchy but it cuts extrusions like butter
[16:11:43] <CaptHindsight> there's a plastic chip catcher that eventually melts from the hot aluminum chips, but you don't need it anyway
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[16:13:18] <CaptHindsight> I don't know if there's anything better until you get into a >$1k cold saw
[16:14:09] <membiblio> Answering my own question via Fuji tech support - To change Frenic 5000 from protected to not - Press the SHIFT plus either UP or DOWN while in the appropriate register. :) Thanks
[16:14:12] <CaptHindsight> all the compound miter saws at Home Depot, Menards, Lowe's etc are all about the same
[16:20:24] <roycroft> are you in minnesota, capthindsight?
[16:20:51] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: Chicago
[16:20:56] <roycroft> oh?
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[16:21:06] <roycroft> i didn't think menard's have expanded that far
[16:21:24] <roycroft> it certatinly wasn't there when i lived in chicago
[16:21:25] <CaptHindsight> been around for at least 30 years
[16:21:28] <roycroft> but i haven't lived there since 1980
[16:23:01] <CaptHindsight> most of their tools are HF quality
[16:23:46] <roycroft> i've been to one a few times
[16:23:50] <roycroft> i used to have a gf from north dakota
[16:23:55] <CaptHindsight> they do carry Irwin for tap and dies, but they are always out of whatever size I need
[16:23:57] <roycroft> right on the minnesota border
[16:24:09] <roycroft> and yes, it was pretty crappy stuff
[16:24:14] <roycroft> hf to ace hardware in quality
[16:25:00] <roycroft> stuff a farmer could buy on sunday because he needs it on sunday, but knows it won't last 'til monday
[16:25:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah, open till 10pm
[16:25:28] <roycroft> when that tractor needs fixin' it doesn't matter what day it is
[16:26:10] <CaptHindsight> lower cost than Ace
[16:27:10] <CaptHindsight> Ace carries Craftsman hand tools now
[16:27:56] <jdh> craftsman is owned by k-mart?
[16:28:05] <Rab> Sears?
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[16:28:44] <CaptHindsight> sears
[16:29:03] <CaptHindsight> the appeal was the lifetime warranty, no questions asked
[16:29:06] <Rab> membiblio, thanks for posting the answer for posterity!
[16:29:17] <jdh> sears is owned by kmart
[16:29:46] <CaptHindsight> you could bring in pair of vise grips welded to something and they would swap it
[16:30:01] <membiblio> You are welcome. I'm converting a Routech 250 Gantry Machine to Linux CNC. :)
[16:30:54] <Rab> CaptHindsight, last I heard they were disputing the exchange of brand new Craftsman tools. I think the value is gone.
[16:31:50] <CaptHindsight> yeah
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[16:33:39] <PetefromTn_> well that maritool 3 flute carbide endmill is slowly chewing its way down thru that tap! about a quarter inch down so far...
[16:34:58] <Rab> PetefromTn_, I use carbide dental burs in a dremel tool to chew out the center of the tap until the sides crack.
[16:35:19] <Rab> A little time-consuming.
[16:35:34] <PetefromTn_> 5500 RPM and incremental jogging with mpg in .0001 steps slowly..
[16:35:36] <Rab> But the burs are very robust, and free from my dentist.
[16:36:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have actually a US made high quality pencil die grinder and some carbide burrs of different profiles and it did not seem to work too well.
[16:36:28] <PetefromTn_> I don't have a carbide drill that small so I am using the endmill.
[16:36:42] <PetefromTn_> all I know is while slow and tedious it is working.
[16:36:59] <PetefromTn_> if it saves my part it would be worth several of these endmills...
[16:37:22] <PetefromTn_> I stopped for a bit to cool down the part it was getting a bit hot
[16:37:24] <_methods> yeah as long as you go slow
[16:37:27] <_methods> should be fine
[16:37:30] <Rab> I've broken carbide drills in screws and taps; then the cure is worse than the disease. ^_^
[16:37:33] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Broke a tap off ?
[16:37:38] <PetefromTn_> its about as slow as I can go..
[16:37:51] <_methods> yeah you should be good just watch out at the bottom
[16:37:56] <PetefromTn_> Connor Hey man yeah I broke a 10-32 off in a stainless part damnit...
[16:37:56] <_methods> the tap will break free and spin
[16:38:00] <_methods> and break the end mill
[16:38:01] <Rab> PetefromTn_, using any kind of liquid coolant?
[16:38:18] <PetefromTn_> I tried with and without coolant
[16:38:32] <PetefromTn_> and it seems to actually cut better without it...just the part gets hot after a bit
[16:38:45] <Connor> You break it hand tapping or with the machine ?
[16:39:09] <PetefromTn_> I have done it this way at the other shops I worked in and it seems to get the job done.
[16:39:19] <PetefromTn_> actually this one was hand tapped unfortunately...
[16:39:33] <PetefromTn_> It is DEEP so I wanted to do it by hand to have some more control...
[16:39:41] <PetefromTn_> you can see how that worked for me ;)
[16:39:52] <Connor> Yup. :)
[16:40:03] <PetefromTn_> It's a pisser..
[16:40:08] <Connor> You going to drill it and make it a bigger screw size ?
[16:40:09] <PetefromTn_> but shit happens..
[16:40:15] <PetefromTn_> dunno yet
[16:40:23] <PetefromTn_> depends on how much of the tap gets removed
[16:40:42] <PetefromTn_> I tried to line up the hole as good as I can but I think it is slightly off from center...
[16:41:01] <PetefromTn_> if I can punch thru with the endmill I will try to pick out the pieces and then drill it.
[16:41:03] <_methods> that's actually ok
[16:41:07] <Rab> Should be salvageable in SS. 10-32 doesn't have to get that deep before you break the fastener, so I wouldn't think the threads need to be perfect all the way down.
[16:41:09] <_methods> the thin side will come out easier
[16:41:20] <PetefromTn_> If I CAN get it out I will probably drill oversize and then retap
[16:41:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is kinda what I am hoping ;)
[16:42:12] <PetefromTn_> I have gotten a lot better at tapping and seldom break a tap off anymore but it is gonna happen unfortunately
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[16:42:27] <_methods> i just had to do the same thing the other day
[16:42:28] <PetefromTn_> Quality taps make all the difference usually but this was totally my fault
[16:42:31] <_methods> busted an m4 tap
[16:42:38] <_methods> i knew i should have stopped
[16:42:42] <_methods> but i was like meh i got this
[16:42:44] <PetefromTn_> I know right
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[16:42:58] <PetefromTn_> it got kinda tight just before but it SEEMED like it was still cutting...
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[16:43:05] <PetefromTn_> then SNAP!!
[16:43:24] <PetefromTn_> Frackin' frustratin'
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[16:43:29] <archivist> I just take part with dead tap to the local shop with an edm to get it burnt out
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[16:43:49] <Rab> 7 threads of 10-32 is .219, so anything over .250 is probably just for fun. ^_^
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[16:44:06] <PetefromTn_> agreed I did not need to go that deep typically
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[16:44:16] <PetefromTn_> but this is sort of a clamp situation
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> the worst is breaking a tap with the part still attached to the machine or vehicle
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[16:45:23] <PetefromTn_> archivist what do they usually charge you for that?
[16:45:41] <archivist> a note, I think a tenner
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[16:46:02] <PetefromTn_> how much is that US LOL?
[16:46:03] <archivist> very cheap to save a part
[16:46:12] <archivist> 15 dolla
[16:46:14] <_methods> http://imgur.com/jdtsSrI
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[16:46:20] <_methods> there's my fun tap
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[16:46:36] <PetefromTn_> LOL that is almost EXACTLY what this part looks like hehehe
[16:46:43] <_methods> got it out and ran a tap right back thru
[16:46:44] <Connor> _methods: Ouch
[16:46:45] <_methods> good to go
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[16:46:59] <archivist> edm will get that out easy _methods
[16:47:01] <_methods> lost an end mill though
[16:47:02] <PetefromTn_> damn that is a good result...
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[16:47:29] <PetefromTn_> I don't care about the endmill really...these are not that expensive.
[16:47:29] <Connor> could you not back it out with vise grips? Looks like a stub stick up.
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[16:47:55] <_methods> nah
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[16:48:05] <_methods> and there was a lot in there
[16:48:09] <_methods> it was at full depth
[16:48:18] <Connor> Ouch
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[16:48:36] <CaptHindsight> do they ever break with less than 50% in?
[16:48:39] <_methods> i just drilled it out with an 1/8" carbide end mill
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[16:49:28] <Connor> okay. JT-Shop is giving me a head-ache
[16:49:35] <CaptHindsight> it supposed to be the last hole and clean break (no stub) with full depth
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[16:49:48] <archivist> CaptHindsight, yes if hand held in a battery drill :)
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[16:50:23] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: are you stuck in the door?
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[16:50:55] <CaptHindsight> I think he's on satellite
[16:50:57] <archivist> he broke his internetz
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[16:51:41] <CaptHindsight> maybe something nesting on the antenna
[16:51:47] <_methods> he's kicked off of satellite
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[16:51:55] <_methods> he maxed out his 10gb
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[16:52:40] <archivist> his chips are flying and screening the signal
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[16:54:19] <CaptHindsight> 10GB, we do that some days without trying
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[16:56:59] <Jymmm> I thought about going 4/3g but I didn't have any idea how much bandwidth I used on dsl. Yeah wireless got gonna happen, at least not at 30GB/Day on avg.
[16:58:35] <Connor> I switched from WoW to Comcast.. (Ugg.. don't ask) and was watching alot of shows from amazon Prime.. bust my 300GB cap 2 days ago..
[17:02:46] <CaptHindsight> had 4G for a few years with Clear
[17:03:11] <CaptHindsight> was hit or miss for speed, mostly used it for backup when ATT was down
[17:04:10] <Jymmm> I just wish that they would finally make "unlimited", well, unlimited for a flat rate price. No games, no fine print.
[17:04:54] <CaptHindsight> maybe after the revolution
[17:05:35] <CaptHindsight> I have a choice now of 4 crappy services
[17:05:58] <CaptHindsight> all about the same price with various level of cap or throttling
[17:10:23] <_methods> heh get all 4 and lagg them
[17:11:11] <CaptHindsight> I just can't bring myself to sign up for Comcast
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[17:13:33] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLNJ8d8Vqc Kirkham Motorsports University CNC Billet Aluminum 427 FE Engine Block 1 of 3
[17:15:56] <_methods> wow just think what they could do if they had a real cnc lol
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[17:16:24] <Connor> CaptHindsight: I had no choice.. WoW dropped BBCA Can't go without my Doctor Who. I still have internet via WoW. So, I'm now triple redundant.
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[17:21:58] <archivist> _methods, or a real cameraman
[17:22:06] <_methods> haha
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[17:23:29] <PetefromTn_> got about another .1" or so to go... hehe
[17:23:59] <Rab> ...stay on target...
[17:24:00] <PetefromTn_> its actually working quite well so far thankfully. There may be hope for this damn part yet
[17:24:11] <PetefromTn_> LOL STAY ON TARGET!!
[17:24:29] <PetefromTn_> You've switched off your targeting computer!
[17:25:40] <PetefromTn_> giving it a break and having a beverage
[17:26:53] <_methods> hehe
[17:27:16] <_methods> you might have enough out now you can start peelin it out
[17:28:14] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I have been progressing .040" at a time and then stopping to cool and so far it is working. Got to get all the way thru I think before i start screwing with it manually no?
[17:28:30] <_methods> not necessarily
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[17:28:46] <PetefromTn_> Beotch is deep!
[17:28:47] <_methods> if you can start peelin it out it might release enough that the rest of the tap will break up
[17:29:11] <_methods> i don't know i have apile of mold ejector pins for chippin stuff out like that lol
[17:29:17] <PetefromTn_> I know I am kinda pushing my luck here drilling deeper all the time LOL
[17:29:47] <PetefromTn_> It's hard to look down in the damn hole while its inside the machine
[17:30:08] <PetefromTn_> I have been putting an allen wrench down in there to guage depth
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[17:30:23] <PetefromTn_> aside from the DRO's in case the cutter start slipping.
[17:32:00] <PetefromTn_> If the damn endmill breaks I think I will run out and start rioting and looting ;)
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[17:37:12] <_methods> yeah i busted my end mill when i got to the bottom of mine
[17:37:21] <_methods> i had a little seizure
[17:37:47] <_methods> kinda upgrades the problem from bad to worse if you end up with a pile o' carbide in there
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[17:38:04] <PetefromTn_> don
[17:38:12] <_methods> you could always whip up an edm real fast
[17:38:13] <PetefromTn_> don't even say that shit man
[17:38:14] <_methods> http://cscott.net/Projects/FabClass/final/edesign1.html
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[17:38:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah right... I'll just whip one up LOL
[17:38:51] <CaptHindsight> http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/04/ap_ap-photo1501-640x436.jpg after game party or riot?
[17:39:00] <_methods> well i just went to town with a hammer and cold chisel on the carbide
[17:39:10] <_methods> luckily it breaks up better than a tap hehe
[17:39:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL thats a funny picture
[17:39:53] <_methods> maryland crab cake judo chop
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[17:40:10] <PetefromTn_> the fat guy sitting at the table with all the beers looks like "Damn dude this is NOT good LOL"
[17:40:21] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE CRAB CAKES!
[17:40:33] <_methods> who doesn't
[17:41:17] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure there are a few misguided souls out there...Oh and my Son in law is allergic to seafood poor bastard.
[17:42:07] <_methods> mr krabs is a crab and even he likes crab cakes
[17:42:13] <PetefromTn_> Well gonna keep drilling here..BB in a bit.
[17:43:24] <_methods> good luck
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[18:00:03] <t12> anyone use vicor ac -> dc supplies for servos?
[18:03:36] <CaptHindsight> t12: I've used lots of their FlatPAC in the past but not for servos
[18:03:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vicorpower.com/flatpac
[18:06:31] <CaptHindsight> we used them since they were off the shelf, and had a conduction cooling version
[18:08:45] <t12> what do people tend to use for 300-400vdc servo supplies?
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[18:31:38] <CaptHindsight> t12 often the power supply is in the servo drive
[18:32:28] <CaptHindsight> the drives run off 120/240/480 1phase or 3 phase AC
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[18:33:17] <CaptHindsight> t12 have an example servo motor?
[18:34:15] <PetefromTn_> AWESOME!!! Drilled right thru the tap and actually was able to retap the hole securely with the same size!! WIN!!!!!
[18:36:58] <CaptHindsight> t12: AC servo or DC
[18:39:28] <PetefromTn_> Endmill has seen better days but it did not break heh
[18:41:43] <_methods> right on
[18:41:56] <_methods> yeah usually if you just take it slow the end mill will live
[18:42:02] <_methods> but i always get too impatient
[18:42:23] <_methods> the same thing that got me into the broken tap situation usually
[18:42:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL I was pretty surprised that I could retap it the same size without issues... Just lucky I guess.
[18:43:07] <PetefromTn_> Gotta pickup my kids at school BB in a bit.
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[18:45:07] <JT-Shop> I look at my taps under the microscope before using them and I stopped breaking them
[18:48:43] <Rab> PetefromTn_, great!
[18:49:20] <cpresser> any hints on how to handle a 'hm2/hm2_5i25.0 Smart serial card error = (13) Communication Error'?
[18:49:41] <cpresser> what could cause this? i already shielded all motor wires
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[18:50:08] <JT-Shop> are your DC 0v tied to ground?
[18:50:25] <cpresser> yes
[18:50:34] <cpresser> at least field-voltage DC
[18:51:06] <cpresser> 0V for the encoders/7i76 is most likely grounded via the PC
[18:51:21] <cpresser> PC and machine share the same cabinet
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[18:52:19] <_methods> JT-Shop: yeah inspecting the taps doesnt seem to ever stop me from being an idiot and continuing to use them for "just one more hole"
[18:52:23] <cpresser> what is the recommendation for grounding stuff?
[18:54:20] <JT-Shop> I've always tied all 0v to ground to avoid a floating 0v
[18:54:39] <cpresser> JT-Shop: thats the machine:
http://imgur.com/IcwFAHu,5L9kzKv,eEtsOcK
[18:54:45] <JT-Shop> _methods, I toss them in the "Hand Tap Only" box
[18:55:09] <_methods> yeah
[18:55:10] <t12> capt: ac
[18:55:18] <_methods> pull tester?
[18:55:22] <cpresser> JT-Shop: well, grounding everything sounds like a good idea anyway
[18:55:25] <cpresser> _methods: ack
[18:55:27] <JT-Shop> a tensile tester
[18:55:31] <t12> looking to power an 8i20
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[18:55:39] <_methods> haha science words
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[18:56:16] <PetefromTn_> Thanks Rab... yeah I am pretty pleased with that.
[18:56:35] <PetefromTn_> Now if I can just find the damn setscrew I dropped that is supposed to go in that damn hole LOL
[18:56:46] <JT-Shop> it's under the machine
[18:56:47] <_methods> hahah
[18:57:02] <_methods> or in the puddle of tears from when the tap broke
[18:57:03] <PetefromTn_> probably
[18:57:04] <cpresser> magnets FTW
[18:57:12] <JT-Shop> all low to the floor things have a universal attraction for small objects
[18:57:18] <PetefromTn_> I swear I cried like a bitch too hehe
[18:58:00] <PetefromTn_> I have machined out a bunch of taps but I am usually not that lucky with the smaller ones like this.
[18:58:03] <cpresser> this is my new toy:
https://ca.rstenpresser.de/blag/2015/04/hirata-ar-c270-scara-robot-retrofit-part1/
[18:59:07] <_methods> all hail carbide hehe
[18:59:24] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man the almighty carbide!!
[18:59:31] <PetefromTn_> Win Maritool!
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[19:04:27] <JT-Shop> I wonder how long the 1.5MB download will take while being throttled
[19:04:42] <XXCoder> 10.1 decade
[19:05:33] <JT-Shop> 56kb per second lol
[19:06:42] <_methods> ouch
[19:06:48] <_methods> 56k modem
[19:06:49] <_methods> lol
[19:06:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:07:44] <Cromaglious_> heh I found a 300 direct connect modem the other day
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[19:08:14] <Cromaglious_> so much faster than the 110baud aucustic coupler
[19:09:18] * Jymmm new paper shredder... http://www.wimp.com/shreddertrees/
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[19:31:29] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/wq6ErPk.jpg My hero
[19:41:38] <_methods> HEHE
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[19:47:08] <MrHindsight> _methods: just checked, that brake from HF did 18ga cold roll without issue
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[19:59:49] <MrHindsight> _methods: 16ga was a bit harder (0.064') 1900 box cover
http://imagebin.ca/v/1zvE84S8Bcz2
[20:01:17] <MrHindsight> you might have a problem if it's 24" wide
[20:05:39] <Cromaglious_> wooo ultimate steam punk earrings. Miniture radiometer earrings
[20:06:10] <Cromaglious_> The guy that invented them had a tie stick pin with one.
[20:06:37] <Cromaglious_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0f5i7r02dg
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[20:20:02] <Computer_barf> if you already have the configuration files, and you run PNCconf, you can essentially go through the wizard with whatever fields are already filled out from the configuration files?
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[20:21:45] <cpresser> Computer_barf: not really. the wizards loads its data from a wizard-config file, not the actual machine config
[20:21:59] <cpresser> so if you did any changes manually, the wizard will overwrite them
[20:23:39] <_methods> MrHindsight: thx that will work
[20:23:53] <_methods> if it can bend a galv outlet box blak
[20:24:00] <_methods> blank
[20:24:14] <Computer_barf> ahh, yeah I have some configuration files pcw posted on the forum for the mesa 7i76e, im a noob so i dont really know what im looking at. I have three files 7i76e.txt , 7i76es1.ini and hm2pidstepper.hal
[20:24:37] <Computer_barf> i don't believe the first one is named what it should be
[20:24:54] <Computer_barf> it starts with "Configuration Name: HOSTMOT2"
[20:26:36] <Computer_barf> i believe this file delineates all the pins, but i imagine I need to change its title
[20:28:07] <JT-Shop> The following items were successfully performed:
[20:28:17] <JT-Shop> Failed to install printer driver
[20:29:30] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, bad connection today?
[20:30:01] <JT-Shop> lol I have the printer disk and I'm throttled to 56k the rest of the month
[20:30:34] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:32:54] <Cromaglious_> Jt can you receive pictures on your phone?
[20:33:05] <jthornton> yea
[20:33:23] <Cromaglious_> I could text you a driver rename blah.jpg
[20:33:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you finally get xp to backup?
[20:33:41] <jthornton> almost
[20:34:20] <jthornton> I went to HP and they don't have a driver for 7 for my printer... I wonder how it worked before
[20:34:33] <Cromaglious_> which printer?
[20:34:36] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, have you run 2.7 on a machine yet?
[20:34:53] <Tom_itx> i loaded it last night but won't be able to try it for a while
[20:34:58] <Cromaglious_> is it PCL 5, 5e, or 6?
[20:35:02] <jthornton> deskjet 1220c
[20:35:20] <jthornton> so I was searching for a 1200c no wonder I could not find it
[20:35:42] <jthornton> Tom_itx, yes my plasma is running 2.7 pre 6 or something like that
[20:35:43] <Tom_itx> i had a similar problem... they suggested one that was close to mine and it works fair
[20:35:45] <Cromaglious_> win7 x64?
[20:36:07] <Tom_itx> mine was a deskjet 6122
[20:36:15] <jthornton> yea, I'll look in the morning again when I have unlimited download
[20:36:43] <Tom_itx> you likely already have the driver
[20:36:51] <Tom_itx> just finding a compatible printer
[20:36:53] <Cromaglious_> May 1st is Thursday isn't it
[20:36:59] <jthornton> yea, I just looked for the wrong one
[20:37:17] <jthornton> Friday
[20:37:18] <Tom_itx> iirc i wound up using something like a 990 or such
[20:37:32] <Cromaglious_> I don
[20:37:42] <Cromaglious_> I don't do inkjets... Only lasers
[20:37:48] <jthornton> be back later, going to the other shop to dl my SW service pack
[20:37:54] <Cromaglious_> Much cheaper in the long run
[20:39:05] <Cromaglious_> ugh... Wish the postalworker would get here... See if I got my ATmega386p Arduino
[20:39:16] <Cromaglious_> it'll probably be another week
[20:39:27] <Tom_itx> they had some strange installation procedure too
[20:40:19] <Tom_itx> ms says the 1220c is win7 compatible
[20:41:10] <Tom_itx> i bet you could find it on the win7 disk
[20:42:05] <Tom_itx> mine was _almost_ compatible.. i had to adjust some forms etc for margins
[20:44:51] <Tom_itx> HP says to connect the USB cable and windows update will find the driver
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[20:51:15] <Cromaglious_> grbl requires a ATmega328p chip, the ATmega2560 will not work, so my Mega is SOL
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[20:56:21] <_methods> eww grbl
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[21:03:29] <Tom_itx> Cromaglious_ you can't port it?
[21:03:42] <Tom_itx> shouldn't be that difficult
[21:05:24] <Tom_itx> mmmmm. maybe not
[21:07:31] <Deejay> gn8
[21:07:34] <Computer_barf> pcw around?
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[21:14:01] <Cromaglious_> I probably could given 5 years
[21:16:36] <Cromaglious_> grbl allows up to 50khz timing. vs the 17khz this computer does
[21:17:23] <Tom_itx> get some mesa boards
[21:18:06] <Cromaglious_> $$$$ which I don't have
[21:18:07] <malcom2073> grbl does 30khz
[21:18:15] <malcom2073> About the same as a decent PC out of a parallel port
[21:18:27] <Cromaglious_> I don't have decent PC's
[21:18:39] <Jymmm> Rust-Oleum® Aircraft Remover removes powder coating
[21:18:39] <malcom2073> Go buy one? I get mine for $5 from yardsales usually
[21:18:41] <malcom2073> :P
[21:19:12] <Cromaglious_> That requires a drivers license
[21:19:53] <malcom2073> What are you running at that speed anyway?
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[21:20:57] <Cromaglious_> trying to see if higher amperage will aloow faster stepper speeds
[21:21:38] <Cromaglious_> I do see I need to upgrade from the TB6560 to TB6600's
[21:22:28] <Tom_itx> Cromaglious_, higher voltage will
[21:22:47] <malcom2073> higher voltage gives you higher speed before torque dropoff, higher current gives you higher torque rating... before torque dropoff
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[21:23:22] <malcom2073> Be aware, grbl does some nasty things with acceleration when you use junction deviation, not a problem for milling machines, but anything fast like a laser or 3d printer you may see it
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[21:27:03] <Cromaglious_> hmmm so I need to find a 48v supply
[21:27:21] <Cromaglious_> my 19v is to low of voltage
[21:27:32] <Cromaglious_> s/ to / too /
[21:28:07] <Cromaglious_> laptop supply
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[21:32:26] <malcom2073> 36v bricks are fairly cheap on amazon, not sure about 48v
[21:32:48] <Computer_barf> hm2-pidstepper.hal:42: Can't find modules 'hm2_eth' in /user/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc4362
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[21:35:09] <Cromaglious_> well my 4 relay arduino module showed up and my 7 piece mm er11 collet set as well
[21:35:12] <Rab> Cromaglious_, how much current? There are a bunch of 48V SMPSs on eBay, "for LED strip".
[21:35:54] <Cromaglious_> hmm at least 400w I think
[21:36:40] <Rab> http://item.ebay.com/321687502604
[21:37:48] <Rab> "110/220V Input--Zero line and FireWire are not differentiate
[21:38:03] <Rab> I guess they're trying to say it's non-polarized?
[21:38:25] <Rab> FireWire = Hot? lol
[21:38:49] <malcom2073> My guess they're seing that 220 is not a split-phase
[21:38:57] <malcom2073> it's 0-220 instead of -110-110?
[21:39:09] <Rab> hmm
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[21:39:23] <malcom2073> Odd
[21:39:31] <Cromaglious_> hehe
[21:40:12] <Cromaglious_> well I just got 250' of SOOW 10/4 for $537 for the shakespoeare company... OPM Other Peoples Money
[21:41:15] <Cromaglious_> running 120v on 2 circuits and breaking those out into Aa Ab, and Ba and Bb circuits at the breakout
[21:42:23] <Cromaglious_> A and B can pull 28amps each, a and b combined can pull 28 amps, up to 20amps per a or b
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[21:43:12] <Cromaglious_> ideally should have gotten 8/4 but that was another $250 on top of the 537
[21:44:45] <Cromaglious_> now to find a hand truck to butcher to make a rolling stand for the wire reel. The boxes are going on the side of the reel so I don't have to have slip rings or another plug and socket
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[21:52:11] <PCW> "hm2-pidstepper.hal:42: Can't find modules 'hm2_eth' in /user/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc4362"
[21:52:13] <PCW> is expected if you try to run hm2_eth under RTAI
[21:52:14] <PCW> (the uspace version of linuxcnc (that hm2_eth needs) is only supported with Preemt-RT for real time
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[21:58:35] <cpresser> PCW: any hints on how to handle a 'hm2/hm2_5i25.0 Smart serial card error = (13) Communication Error'?
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[21:59:17] <cpresser> PCW: what do you recommend for grounding? Vfield and PC-ground together?
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[22:06:12] <PCW> Normally there's no reason to ground them together (they are completely isolated)
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[22:09:42] <PCW> if you have sserial communication errors with a 7I6 or 7I77 , its normally 1 of 2 things
[22:09:43] <PCW> 1: Marginal 5V power on the 7I76.7I77
[22:09:45] <PCW> 2: A ground loop so HF noise is severe enough to generate more
[22:09:47] <PCW> than about 1V ground differential between the 7I76,7I77 and the FPGA card
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[22:24:31] <cpresser> PCW: so an additional 5V PSU and grounding everything should do the job?
[22:25:29] <cpresser> is EMI an issue?
[22:27:01] <PCW> Yes, if its coupled into the 5i25/7I76/77 cable
[22:28:49] <PCW> is this a 7I76 or 7I77?
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[22:57:40] <cpresser> PCW: 7i76 with 6i25
[23:00:54] <PCW> maybe a grounding issue (Usually cable power is OK for a 7I76)
[23:01:08] <PCW> when do you see the error?
[23:01:16] <cpresser> besides, there is only one encoder connected to the 5V rail
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[23:01:44] <cpresser> as a fact, i didnt do proper grounding for all parts of the machine. i will do so next
[23:03:56] <PCW> if substantial ground current (especially HF from drives or a VFD) ends up flowing in the parallel cable you can get serial errors
[23:03:57] <PCW> (Usually extra char errors or CRC errors)
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[23:04:34] <cpresser> its an extra char error, so that seems plausible
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[23:09:33] <cpresser> PCW: another question regarding the 7i77 (different machine). the servo-amps have 2 analog and 3 enable inputs. so far i figured that one analog is velocity. the 3 digital inputs seem to be some kind of enable. one switches relais on the driver (labeled RDY), the other two are labeled 'STOP' and 'GC'. any idea what those might be?
[23:10:01] <cpresser> i put some of my findings up here:
https://ca.rstenpresser.de/blag/2015/04/hirata-ar-c270-scara-robot-retrofit-part1/
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[23:11:25] <cpresser> the other unknown analog-input is labeled 'REF'. with the original control it was stuck at 0V all the time (estop, idle, motion)
[23:11:25] <JT-Shop> PCW, is there an isolation board that helps with that?
[23:11:40] <JT-Shop> I still get it from time to time even with a 5v power supply
[23:12:42] <cpresser> JT-Shop: yes, there is a "7I77ISOL" card on the website
[23:14:44] <JT-Shop> hmm I need 650MB of windoze updates before I can install my printer
[23:15:31] <cpresser> get a new printer :)
[23:16:15] <Tom_itx> yeah after installing win7 i spent day an a half doing 200 updates
[23:16:18] <Tom_itx> go figure
[23:16:45] <Tom_itx> and it's still asking for more hdd space
[23:17:02] <JT-Shop> yea the printer driver is only in windoze update, you can't download it
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[23:20:21] <Computer_Barf1> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO im trying to follow this link to create a patched kernel so i can install an rt-prempt kernel on my debian linuxcnc machine
[23:21:29] <Computer_Barf1> however , the instructions on how to patch it are based on a command like : bzcat ../patch-2.6.23.1-rt1.bz2 | patch -p1
[23:22:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i think it's their way of keeping track of you
[23:22:27] <Computer_Barf1> however , when i navigate to the files on kernel.org, none of the recent patches for the more recent kernals are composedness with .bz2
[23:22:33] <Computer_Barf1> they are all .gz
[23:22:54] <Computer_Barf1> so i have no idea what command I am supposed to issue to patch the kernel with
[23:22:58] <cpresser> Computer_Barf1: WE
[23:23:06] <Computer_Barf1> WE?
[23:23:15] <cpresser> typo, mom...
[23:24:05] <cpresser> i was about to say: well, if you cant figure that out yourself you will need to invest a lot of time
[23:24:11] <cpresser> use zcat instead of bzcat
[23:24:26] <PCW> JT-Shop: yes, the isolation board helps
[23:25:31] <cpresser> Computer_Barf1: compiling a kernel is not that simple. but dont get discouraged. try to google your problems :)
[23:26:33] <Computer_Barf1> I tried to do it with Ketchup but that wasn't working either. I think the paths to the kernel.org server have changed since they developed ketchup
[23:27:51] <PCW> cpresser: not sure what STOP and GC mean, any hope on finding a drive manual?
[23:27:51] <Computer_Barf1> ok that worked
[23:28:03] <Computer_Barf1> it appears to have patched it
[23:28:31] <cpresser> PCW: nope, unfortunately there is none. i talked to the company which made them about 20years ago. they cant help
[23:28:54] <Computer_Barf1> it seems strange that they do not simply provide prepatched kernels
[23:29:32] <PCW> freeby.mesanet.com/rtconfig is approximately right
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[23:29:36] <cpresser> PCW: the STOP and GC signals are routed to some hybrid-modules under a layer of expoxy. so there is no easy way to guess the function by looking at the pcb
[23:30:15] <PCW> freeby.mesanet.com/makert
[23:30:17] <PCW> I mean
[23:30:42] <cpresser> i will wire those signals to some gpios and switch them around to guess the function then :)
[23:30:49] <Computer_Barf1> was that directed at me PCW?\
[23:31:13] <PCW> if he original control works those are probable worth checking with a voltmeter
[23:31:49] <PCW> yes, Computer_Barf1: freeby.mesanet.com/makert
[23:32:33] <cpresser> PCW: did that. i also disassembled the original control and traced the pins to some optos. they are switched on as soon as motion starts, but are switched of then the machine is not moving
[23:33:11] <jthornton> baa I can't even send an email while 7 is trying to update
[23:33:23] <Computer_Barf1> PCW: i found a .ini file for the 7i76e that you had posted on the forum, so I had put that in my linuxcnc configuration folder , and ran that. I got some errors that basically lead me to needing to installing RT-net
[23:33:40] <Computer_Barf1> im a pretty basic linux user so im just trying to figure it out
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[23:38:31] <PCW> Umm no, RT net is not used at all
[23:38:47] <Computer_Barf1> sorry
[23:38:55] <Computer_Barf1> rt-prempt
[23:39:05] <Computer_Barf1> confusion of words
[23:39:54] <PCW> Yes you can also start by installing the linuxcnc-uspace package which will bring in a preemt-RT kernel
[23:40:27] <Computer_Barf1> that list of commands is working so far but make xconfig had errors , im probably missing whatever is needed to compile it
[23:40:55] <PCW> xconfig needs QT-dev or some such
[23:41:19] <cpresser> try 'menuconfig'. it only needs ncurses-dev
[23:41:50] <PCW> if you fetch rtconfig its probably pretty close
[23:42:28] <Computer_Barf1> apt-get QT-dev didn't work
[23:42:32] <Computer_Barf1> nor menuconfig
[23:42:48] <cpresser> 'make menuconfig'
[23:43:13] <cpresser> and QT-dev is most likely "libqt4-dev" or libqt-dev"
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[23:43:28] <Computer_Barf1> In file included from scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:23:0:
[23:43:28] <Computer_Barf1> scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:38:20: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
[23:43:28] <Computer_Barf1> compilation terminated.
[23:44:05] <cpresser> Computer_Barf1: try to google that. its quite simple
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[23:44:19] <cpresser> and perhaps helps you understand what went wrong :)
[23:44:23] <Computer_Barf1> apt-get libqt4-dev is installing
[23:45:15] <Computer_Barf1> isn't build-essentials part of that? I think I've done that in the past on other machines
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[23:47:32] <Computer_Barf1> tried to make xconfig again after installing libqt4-dev , got qconf: cannot connect to X server
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[23:47:43] <Computer_Barf1> perhaps because I'm doing this over ssh?
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[23:53:20] <furrywolf> yay! even better than yard sale stuff, I just got free stuff!
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[23:53:39] <furrywolf> I answered a craigslist ad for a free drywall hoist. it's like-new, in box. also got a free like-new toro lawnmower, two free 10gal fuel tanks with nozzles, hoses, etc, a free snap-on made-in-usa extra-large floor jack, a free milk crate of tools (about half craftsman), two free halogen worklights (one tripod, one with built-in 50ft cord reel), and a bunch of other free stuff.
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[23:53:57] <furrywolf> I tried giving the guy money, but he refused to take it.
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[23:55:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bumble-bee-foods-2-managers-charged-death-man-cooked-tuna-n349641
[23:55:09] <SpeedEvil> why safety interlocks matter
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[23:56:07] <LeelooMinai> What a lousy way to die - cooked with tuna...
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[23:56:39] * furrywolf is in a good mood
[23:56:39] * furrywolf likes free tools!
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[23:57:29] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: what about slightly contaminated free tuna?
[23:57:38] <furrywolf> argh. that page is even more broken than usual.
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[23:58:24] <furrywolf> that has nothing to do with interlocks at all. that's a lockout/tagout issue.
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[23:58:40] <furrywolf> anyone entering the oven should have locked it out.
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[23:59:34] <furrywolf> the worker should have had his own padlock set. before entering the oven, his lock should have been put on the disconnect for it. no one else should be able to remove his lock.
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