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[00:00:16] <zeeshan> damn mrfluffy left
[00:00:23] <zeeshan> andypugh's mux2 idea works.
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[00:04:06] <furrywolf> justflew: I'm not familiar with that product, but you can see if the manufacturer provides any documentation on programming for it.
[00:06:58] <zeeshan> gladevcp vs pyvcp -- whats the difference?
[00:07:21] <furrywolf> one starts with "glade" the other starts with "py"
[00:07:26] * furrywolf has no clue what either is
[00:07:34] <zeeshan> virtual control panels
[00:07:55] <zeeshan> nm
[00:07:56] <zeeshan> right here:
[00:08:00] <zeeshan> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html
[00:08:04] <zeeshan> PyVCP versus GladeVCP at a glance
[00:08:28] <zeeshan> looks like gladevcp is boss
[00:09:01] <furrywolf> justflew: looks like they do provide api documentation, but you're going to have to do a lot of coding to write a hal driver for it.
[00:09:11] <justflew> furrywolf: they do provided a linux driver and a demo. I was able to run them. But I am not sure how to integrate this card to work along with linuxcnc. I had read the hal manual but I couldn't find the card when I am in halrun. maybe my approach is wrong,
[00:10:10] <justflew> furrywolf: thanks for the lead. where can I find out more about wirting the hal driver.
[00:10:20] <furrywolf> hrmm, it does look like there is a senoray hal driver... I didn't see it the first time I looked.
[00:12:13] <furrywolf> I can't find any current info on it, however.
[00:12:41] <furrywolf> just stuff from 2005. heh.
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[00:14:58] <furrywolf> you're going to need someone actually familiar with hal driver programming, which I'm not...
[00:15:16] <furrywolf> looks like there is or was a driver for a different board of theirs; probably start with it.
[00:15:37] <justflew> yea. someone did wrote a hal driver 526 few years ago. I don't think is compatible with this 826 card. hmm.. do you know who is the best person to ask regarding writting hal driver?
[00:16:01] <furrywolf> nope. heh.
[00:16:28] <justflew> hmm.. true, that would be a greate starting point but I could not recall which where I found that hal driver ><
[00:16:32] <furrywolf> probably check if the old driver is still present, then see what's different between it and your card.
[00:18:01] <justflew> true, i think most likely is the memory address register for the I/O are slightly different/expended.
[00:18:17] <furrywolf> the other option is to buy a mesa board, if the sensoray board isn't already built into something. :)
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[00:19:49] * furrywolf notes mesa boards are about 1/10th the cost, and support is included with linuxcnc
[00:23:11] <justflew> nice option, do mesa board have differential 10v output? I needed this for my application that why I went to this cards.
[00:23:50] <furrywolf> I believe so, but pcw_home is the expert.
[00:23:55] * furrywolf pokes pcw_home
[00:26:50] <justflew> cool, will sent him a pm in linuxcnc fourm while I find out more on mesa card. Thanks furrywolf
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[00:30:23] <furrywolf> "one isolated 0-10V analog spindle speed" "6 analog +-10V outputs", some have an isolated "potentiometer replacement" that gives you an analog voltage between any two voltages you supply.
[00:34:22] <justflew> 6 analog +-10V outputs is what I am after. may i know which card is this?
[00:34:52] <furrywolf> 7i77 six-axis analog daughtercard
[00:38:09] <furrywolf> I think there's other boards with 0-10v analog outputs too, but I've exceeded my knowledge. pcw can help you better.
[00:38:58] <furrywolf> 7i33 is quad analog
[00:39:42] <furrywolf> 7i48 is also six 0-10v outputs
[00:40:46] <furrywolf> 7i65 is 8 channels and a bunch of other stuff. lol
[00:42:06] <furrywolf> "a total of 192 analog outputs with real time update rates up to 10 KHz" is that enough? :)
[00:45:17] <justflew> woot~~ that is a lot of option. should be good enough for now. :thumb:
[00:46:21] <furrywolf> pcw can tell you exactly which board is best for your project
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[00:51:06] <justflew> sweet, look like he is afk. cos is middle of midnight in EU. lol
[00:51:41] <furrywolf> I don't think he is .eu, but I may be wrong...
[00:52:54] <Computer_Barf> do any of you have a dark theme installed on your debian install?
[00:54:04] <furrywolf> no
[00:54:57] <Computer_Barf> does debian use gtk themes?
[00:55:07] <Computer_Barf> ive never themed a debian system
[00:55:17] <furrywolf> depends on what window manager you're using. lol
[00:55:29] <furrywolf> debian has gnome, kde, xfce, and about a hundred others.
[00:56:25] <furrywolf> unlike some other distributions, debian is not built around a single desktop.
[00:56:27] <Computer_Barf> well I installed the linuxcnc live usb from the website, I boot into xfce
[00:57:16] <Computer_Barf> I previously installed gnome 3.4 but it wasn't able to run on the board
[00:58:34] <Computer_Barf> can debian run mint?
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[00:58:56] <furrywolf> isn't mint a distribution?
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[01:00:47] <Computer_Barf> yeah i guess your right
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[01:02:49] <Computer_Barf> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Vertex-Theme-470663601
[01:04:21] <furrywolf> that had better not be porn.
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[01:04:32] <Computer_Barf> lol
[01:04:46] <Computer_Barf> theme porn
[01:05:00] <furrywolf> lol
[01:05:25] <furrywolf> usually when people paste deviantart links, it's furry porn...
[01:05:46] <XXCoder> or in least furry
[01:05:51] <Computer_Barf> well you kind of walked into that
[01:06:15] <XXCoder> what a timing, I just arrived after 2 hours driving lol
[01:06:34] <Computer_Barf> it sounds like you can install packages to run gtk3 themes in debian
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[01:18:09] <zeeshan> is there a quick way to scale a signal for gladevcp purposes
[01:18:14] <zeeshan> without having to use scale
[01:20:50] <zeeshan> trying to take spindle-vel-fb (which in rps) and show rpm..
[01:22:15] <Tom_itx> mul by 60
[01:22:19] <zeeshan> how?
[01:22:28] <zeeshan> i always have to use the scale component
[01:22:34] <zeeshan> i cant just multiply by 60..
[01:22:45] <zeeshan> its kinda annoying..
[01:24:29] <Tom_itx> what's wrong with scale?
[01:25:01] <zeeshan> you gotta load a component every time
[01:25:03] <zeeshan> blah blah
[01:25:06] <zeeshan> =[
[01:25:54] <zeeshan> then define a signal name
[01:25:56] <zeeshan> blah blah blah :p
[01:27:24] <Tom_itx> what about mult
[01:27:37] <zeeshan> yea im gonna use it, but still same issue
[01:27:50] <zeeshan> gotta load it, associate it with servo thread
[01:27:51] <zeeshan> etc
[01:27:55] <Tom_itx> it is what it is
[01:28:06] <Tom_itx> you could be using mach ya know...
[01:28:12] <zeeshan> hahahah!
[01:28:23] <Tom_itx> suck it up
[01:28:32] <zeeshan> i was hoping glade had some option to multiply :P
[01:28:56] <Tom_itx> you just don't like the option
[01:30:04] <zeeshan> doesnt look mult2 will work
[01:30:09] <zeeshan> unless you can definite a constant..
[01:30:39] <zeeshan> gotta load a component called constnat
[01:30:40] <zeeshan> lol.
[01:31:09] <Tom_itx> hahah
[01:31:22] <zeeshan> :D
[01:31:44] <Tom_itx> so back to the original question... what's wrong with scale?
[01:32:51] <zeeshan> back tyo using scale :)
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[02:51:47] <CaptHindsight> any talk of a Linuxcnc fest this summer?
[02:52:30] <furrywolf> does such a thing exist?
[02:52:50] <CaptHindsight> not every year
[02:53:17] <CaptHindsight> last fall and the summer before that there was, then it skipped a couple years
[02:53:57] <furrywolf> and what happens at such a thing? lol
[02:55:01] <CaptHindsight> a few days to a week or so of yapping, hacking, eating, drinking and machining
[02:56:32] <CaptHindsight> a few years ago it was held along with the Digital Machinist CNC Workshop (2010) held in Ann Arbor, MI.
[02:56:52] <furrywolf> meh. unless I get to bring a wolfgirl home with me, it's not much of a party.
[02:57:49] <CaptHindsight> Stuart hosted it at his shop a couple years ago in Wichita
[02:58:53] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_Fest_2010
[02:59:16] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Fest_2014
[03:03:08] <furrywolf> meh, I can't really see spending a week talking about cnc, or the money needed to do it.
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[03:04:31] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan should host it at his place
[03:04:44] <furrywolf> isn't he in the land of cold and ehs?
[03:04:46] <zeeshan> come on over
[03:05:01] <zeeshan> i will troll all
[03:05:22] * furrywolf remembers one of the regulars is in the land of cold and ehs, but can't remember which
[03:05:29] <zeeshan> id love a session where they cover the layout stuff in the source code
[03:05:36] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: have room for a jet engine powered golf cart?
[03:10:24] <zeeshan> no ;[
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[03:13:52] <XXCoder> my grandfather immgranted from land of eh to land of guns
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[03:14:02] <XXCoder> gonna love it :P
[03:14:09] <CaptHindsight> Texas?
[03:14:17] <XXCoder> nah usa in general lol
[03:15:01] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, were you at the one in Wichita?
[03:16:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah, did you ever make it?
[03:16:31] <furrywolf> I hate my internet connection.
[03:16:41] <Tom_itx> i stopped by a bit on Friday i think it was
[03:17:23] <CaptHindsight> I think was there Friday - Sunday
[03:17:52] <Tom_itx> saw his shop which was cool
[03:18:05] <CaptHindsight> I left Sunday ~12 to catch my 2pm flight that didn't leave until 7pm
[03:18:07] <Tom_itx> didn't have much to show so i didn't hang around too long
[03:18:31] <CaptHindsight> so i spent most of Sunday a the airport :(
[03:18:44] <Tom_itx> we got a new terminal now
[03:19:38] <CaptHindsight> with bigger letters identifying the name of the airport and runways :)
[03:19:51] <Tom_itx> new name
[03:20:08] <CaptHindsight> you guys have had some crazy mishaps there
[03:20:20] <Tom_itx> well they do alot of testing here
[03:20:59] <Tom_itx> bombardier, cessna, spirit, beech, parts of boeing
[03:21:02] <Tom_itx> all here
[03:21:45] <XXCoder> seattle is where boeing make wiiiings
[03:21:55] <Tom_itx> yeah we make the fuselage
[03:22:04] <Tom_itx> and train it to seattle
[03:22:15] <Tom_itx> i think spirit makes em now
[03:22:24] <Tom_itx> some of it has left the area
[03:22:29] <furrywolf> nothing is made here anymore, other than hash.
[03:22:43] <furrywolf> we have no factories left. all gone.
[03:22:52] <CaptHindsight> well someone has to make it
[03:23:05] <XXCoder> move?
[03:23:08] <Tom_itx> it's good for hobbyists... lots of scrap to pick from
[03:23:28] <XXCoder> place with lots closed factories = lots cheap machines
[03:23:36] <furrywolf> none of it got scrapped locally. the local scrapyard is always outbid by places down south who truck it there.
[03:24:16] <CaptHindsight> we still make bombs here
[03:24:20] <furrywolf> and we never had lots of factories. about five. lol
[03:25:03] <XXCoder> any of you guys ever hack tomtom gps device?
[03:25:21] <furrywolf> everything here costs so much more that even our garbage is now trucked out of the area, because a place down south bid something like 1/5th what the local recycling+garbage place bid.
[03:26:05] <XXCoder> oh brother
[03:26:08] <furrywolf> eventually pot will be legal, and the artifically high prices of everything here will collapse.
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[03:45:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thecncworkshop.com/
[03:48:25] <furrywolf> that there's some seriously bad web design. it'd be nice if, for example, you could actually click the menus.
[03:48:50] <XXCoder> works fine here
[03:48:52] <furrywolf> you go to the menu items, and they vanish before you get to them. lol
[03:48:56] <XXCoder> I didnt even enable any javascript
[03:50:01] <furrywolf> when you hover over Attend, a variety of submenus are displayed. when you move down to click them, they go away and the Home button appears...
[03:50:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digitalmachinist.net/workshop
[03:50:26] <XXCoder> fur what browser and version
[03:50:49] <cradek> wow, $150
[03:51:07] <furrywolf> Firefox something recent
[03:51:18] <CaptHindsight> yeah $150 and Mach4
[03:51:21] <furrywolf> don't remember what version. I lost track around version 3000 or so.
[03:51:31] <XXCoder> ah so it's firefox 12881271Z82723U.120
[03:52:15] <XXCoder> but yeah I hate their current versioning scheme
[03:52:44] <CaptHindsight> no wonder I only have 12881271Z82723U.119 :)
[03:53:13] <furrywolf> the cnc class costs $2620. it includes a $900 mill. ouch.
[03:53:16] <XXCoder> lol
[03:53:26] <XXCoder> how large mill?
[03:53:34] <furrywolf> mini, chinese
[03:53:42] <XXCoder> one wioth 1"x1"x0.001" workspace? lol
[03:54:41] <CaptHindsight> menus work fine here with Forefox 37.0.1
[03:54:45] <furrywolf> you're welcome to go to the web page yourself, you know. :P
[03:54:50] <CaptHindsight> firefox even
[03:54:58] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: dang that is early browser lol
[03:56:02] <furrywolf> apparantly the attend menu works if you move the mouse down and to the left, avoiding the area where the "home" button would be. looks like they have a layering issue.
[03:56:21] <CaptHindsight> with so much mach and 3d printer stuff I'm not sure I'd have any fun
[03:56:39] <furrywolf> it's also stupidly expensive.
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[03:56:59] <CaptHindsight> Jon Elson will be there and the Tormach crew
[03:57:24] <furrywolf> and it seems like certain large vendors are being promoted
[03:57:55] <CaptHindsight> you can get a booth for ~$150
[03:58:14] <furrywolf> although "Practical solid modeling with OpenSCAD" would be fun. last time I tried openscad, its only options were "take forever", "generate broken mesh", and "segfault".
[03:58:15] <CaptHindsight> $350.00
[03:58:37] <XXCoder> heh that name always makes me laugh
[03:58:39] <XXCoder> openscam
[03:58:43] <CaptHindsight> 8' table $250.00
[03:59:25] <furrywolf> oh, and "you can't do that because a basic feature is lacking".
[03:59:43] <furrywolf> I made some models that'd crash it every fucking time.
[03:59:47] <CaptHindsight> openscam is better than total ripoff cad
[04:00:34] <CaptHindsight> I tried the latest BRL on fedora and the benchmark would segfault
[04:00:35] <furrywolf> it doesn't like when two things end touching each other. I had two tubes, and if you butted them end-to-end, it'd fail. I ended up with fudge factors of a few microns added to everything to make sure nothing ever actually touched...
[04:01:03] <CaptHindsight> i guess it runs smoothly on debian
[04:01:46] <furrywolf> I ran into too many problems to finish the part I was trying to build in it and gave up.
[04:01:58] <CaptHindsight> Debian 8 Jessie was just released so I expect a new Linuxcnc CD based on that
[04:02:25] <furrywolf> does it use bloatedsystemd?
[04:04:21] <furrywolf> if they went through with their threats, linuxcnc should switch to devuan instead of debian.
[04:04:37] <roycroft> i thought linuxcnc still preferred ubuntu
[04:05:19] <furrywolf> debian has gone the way of ubuntu and decided to start sucking.
[04:05:34] <furrywolf> I've been using debian since my 386 was useful... and won't be installing the next version.
[04:05:42] <roycroft> i still find debian the least heinous linux disto
[04:05:44] <roycroft> distro
[04:06:12] <furrywolf> have you used systemd yet?
[04:06:15] <roycroft> no
[04:06:21] <furrywolf> they were threatening to include it in 8.
[04:06:32] <furrywolf> have you used pulseaudio?
[04:06:37] * roycroft still doesn't see the point of linux, but deals with it because others seem to like it
[04:06:56] <XXCoder> mm
[04:07:05] <XXCoder> furrypeaign disto
[04:07:07] <XXCoder> *hmm
[04:09:44] <furrywolf> imagine the legendary reliability and functionality of pulse audio (i.e. doesn't fucking work, ever), but as a huge giant software blob controlling init, networking, filesystem mounting, devices, hotplugging, daemon start/stopping, proccess management, logging, authentification, ...
[04:10:13] <furrywolf> it's even worse than anything microsoft would do, both in terms of giantblobness and reliability.
[04:11:39] <furrywolf> heh, looking at the feature list, it now takes over managing the system clock, virtual terminals, and firmware loading too.
[04:11:50] <XXCoder> systemmd?
[04:12:42] <furrywolf> oh, and if you want any of your software to keep working on a distribution that switches to systemd, it will no longer work on any other linux distributions or other flavors of unix.
[04:13:05] * LeelooMinai wonders if to make fun from furrywolf spelling, like he always does to her
[04:14:08] <XXCoder> weet yeu beth speee juut fina
[04:14:53] * furrywolf checks a dictionary, and finds giantblobness to be a perfectly cromulent word.
[04:14:55] <CaptHindsight> Jessie ships with a new default init system, systemd.
[04:15:32] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: You see, you don't even know what you have terribly butchered:)
[04:16:15] <furrywolf> systemd is probably the worst thing to ever happen to linux, and I'm not exagerating.
[04:16:20] <CaptHindsight> "If you want to use sysvinit, you have to do it via a pre-install script which basically means, netinstall."
[04:16:26] <zeeshan> anyone know which pin stores velocity ??
[04:16:36] <zeeshan> would appreciate it!
[04:16:58] <CaptHindsight> or preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
[04:18:12] <furrywolf> systemd is so bad that a significant portion of upper-level debian people resigned when the decision to use it was handed down, including the systemd package maintainer.
[04:18:52] <zeeshan> i feel a bit silly but under view i have "show velocity"
[04:18:54] <LeelooMinai> lol, must have been one masochist, that one
[04:18:56] <zeeshan> but it doesnt show velocity?
[04:19:48] <furrywolf> Devuan is a systemd-free fork of debian... hopefully they'll come out with their release shortly after jessie's release.
[04:20:49] <roycroft> well at least jesse has something for you to complain about, furrywolf
[04:20:57] <roycroft> we can all thank the debian folks for that
[04:21:35] <CaptHindsight> sysvinit still work and installs on Jessie
[04:21:58] <CaptHindsight> and from the comparisons I've seen only takes 2 more seconds to load
[04:21:59] <XXCoder> systemmd isnt open source or what?
[04:22:39] <furrywolf> LOL! there's a kernel patch, by andrew morton himself, to make the kernel refuse to boot if init is systemd. :)
[04:23:56] <furrywolf> XXCoder: it's open source, but it's a huge giant blob of unmaintainable horrible code.
[04:24:16] <XXCoder> bad code = oppounity for inserting exploits
[04:24:56] <CaptHindsight> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7318767&cid=49555489 interesting observation
[04:26:40] <furrywolf> if it's still functional with sysvinit, it means they haven't fully switched to everything systemd does... if you let systemd take over, it'll control everything including basic networking (bringing up interfaces), and its removal will make a system utterly useless.
[04:26:57] <CaptHindsight> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
[04:30:14] <furrywolf> systemd does networking, logging, console, auth, logins, date, hostname, init, mount/fstab/etc, all daemon management, /dev, hotplugging, firmware, ps/etc, and probably a bunch of other things I can't remember... I'm just waiting for them to announce that pulseaudio is now integrated into it too.
[04:30:20] <Computer_Barf> so why don't you guys like ubuntu?
[04:30:33] <zeeshan> i like ubuntu!
[04:30:39] <XXCoder> pulseaudio next, after that the world!
[04:30:49] <XXCoder> I used to like ubuntu
[04:30:53] <XXCoder> now blah
[04:31:06] <Computer_Barf> I install asla on my ubuntu boxes
[04:31:07] <CaptHindsight> ubuntu tries pretty hard to obfuscate their open source
[04:31:15] <furrywolf> heh, from the wiki page: "Sometimes it is necessary to investigate why systemd hangs on startup or on reboot/shutdown. ". that should not be necessary. ever.
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[04:32:29] <furrywolf> I use alsa too.
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[04:33:15] <furrywolf> gnome and systemd are bed buddies, so anyone who likes gnome is stuck with systemd...
[04:33:23] <furrywolf> I hate gnome, so no problems there.
[04:33:39] <Computer_Barf> I like gnome , the new ones
[04:33:45] <XXCoder> gnomes steals all options
[04:34:00] <XXCoder> someday it will only have 2 buttons, start and end
[04:34:13] <Computer_Barf> for my laptop I run gnome/ubuntu
[04:34:16] <CaptHindsight> I have 3 apps opened in front of me right now. Why should I have to switch screens?
[04:34:46] <Computer_Barf> i know there was a backlash by the linux hardcores against gnome 3.4+
[04:34:53] <roycroft> if you boot vmircmacs as your kernel you'll never have to switch apps
[04:35:02] <Computer_Barf> but I like it, I like the direction it is going in.
[04:35:47] <zeeshan> finally got my gladevcp made for the mill
[04:35:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/TzIeos3.png
[04:35:50] <zeeshan> sooooooo much better
[04:36:09] <zeeshan> only need to figure out why velocity isnt showing
[04:36:10] <CaptHindsight> I miss my old Gnome desktop since i could more easily customize the toolbars, but I've gotten used to KDE now
[04:36:11] <zeeshan> and im set!
[04:36:20] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: xfce
[04:36:26] <XXCoder> they finalluy updated recent;y
[04:36:28] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: wasn't gnome so buggy?
[04:36:33] <furrywolf> I want my computer to not get in my way. thus, it's never running gnome nor kde.
[04:37:43] <CaptHindsight> I usually run 2 displays side by side as one big desktop with 3-4 applications opened
[04:38:03] <furrywolf> I used to do that. now I just have a laptop.
[04:38:10] <furrywolf> 13" screen...
[04:38:33] <CaptHindsight> whatever happened to panning?
[04:38:50] <Computer_Barf> how does it get in your way?
[04:39:01] <CaptHindsight> it worked well with small displays back in the 80's
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[04:40:34] <furrywolf> "the kernel uses debug ("dee-bug") to mean log everything to the console, where systemd uses the debug from the Scandinavian "day-boog" meaning "fail to boot"." I always forget there's a lot of really good senses of humor among the kernel devs...
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[04:40:42] <CaptHindsight> email, irc, pdf viewer and a browser all side by side when I'm working
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[04:46:44] <furrywolf> at least debian has caved and made sysvinit still an option... maybe I'll keep using it for one more release, as I don't have time now to deal with learning a new distribution.
[04:48:23] <CaptHindsight> 4 years for Jessie
[04:48:59] <CaptHindsight> but i do smell a rat with systemd
[04:49:40] <furrywolf> and I'm not kidding when I said I think systemd is the worst thing ever to happen to linux. possibly even *nix.
[04:50:10] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of when the guberment donated so much to the Linux kernel with SELinux
[04:55:47] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/touchy.png
[04:55:51] <zeeshan> how do you do this!
[04:55:57] <zeeshan> id like a dark grey background
[04:56:03] <zeeshan> easier on the eyes
[04:56:19] <XXCoder> gtk theme?
[04:56:34] <XXCoder> I use nearly all black gtk theme for my hexchat
[04:56:35] <zeeshan> i think youre right
[04:56:48] <zeeshan> http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/20-beautiful-dark-themes-for-gnome-and-ubuntu
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[04:56:51] <zeeshan> so i guess i just apply those?
[04:56:56] <XXCoder> dunno
[04:56:59] <furrywolf> ... you think low contrast is a good thing?
[04:57:07] <XXCoder> furrywolf: you assume much
[04:57:10] <zeeshan> furrywolf: maybe not for your eyes.
[04:57:13] <XXCoder> text is while
[04:57:15] <XXCoder> white
[04:57:58] <zeeshan> im liking that first theme
[04:57:59] <zeeshan> a lot.
[04:58:43] <XXCoder> furrywolf: also, I hate low contrast too. also why I hate "white virus" thats going away nowdays
[05:00:48] <furrywolf> I only have one touch screen... and I don't think I'm going to use it for the mill. I hopefully won't need to poke it that often!
[05:01:01] <zeeshan> how buig
[05:01:02] <zeeshan> *big
[05:01:08] <furrywolf> 13.3"
[05:01:13] <furrywolf> it's a laptop
[05:01:24] <furrywolf> or was it 13.1? I don't remember. 13.something.
[05:01:37] <XXCoder> whats .2 between friends
[05:01:45] <zeeshan> hehe
[05:03:19] <furrywolf> I've never liked touchscreens.
[05:03:49] <renesis> when i started reaching out to my non-touch desktop screen i kind noped out of my touch eeepc
[05:04:21] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/hamilton/tool-and-die-tools-with-tool-boxes/1066778459?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[05:04:25] <zeeshan> Wish this guy posted more info
[05:04:30] <zeeshan> sounds like a good deal for a shit loa dof tools
[05:04:42] <renesis> on my nexus 5 touch works great, love it, on my nexus 7 its just good enough, can be annoying
[05:05:14] <furrywolf> I like trackballs. I wish they still made laptops with them.
[05:05:30] <renesis> i <3 the shit out of my thumb ball
[05:05:41] <furrywolf> yeah, that does seem to be a pretty useless posting.
[05:05:46] <renesis> annoying you have to clean it like a ball mouse, but its so awesome to use
[05:06:13] <renesis> and you dont need more desk space than the trackballs footprint
[05:07:36] <furrywolf> yep
[05:07:42] <furrywolf> and unlike touchpads, they actually work.
[05:08:30] <renesis> ya, 10 years of using them ive only had something fall in front of the optical sensor once and it was like 5 seconds to figure out what was wrong
[05:09:10] <furrywolf> I still have my last laptop with a trackball... it's a p1-133. kinda useless. haven't seen a trackball laptop since.
[05:09:14] <renesis> a heavy lexan touch overlay for regular monitors would be kind of cool for machine stuff
[05:09:36] <renesis> the keyboartd clits are good for laptops
[05:09:50] <furrywolf> I've never liked clitmice.
[05:10:04] <renesis> i like that lenovos had touch and clit, i was seamlessly using both without much thought was pretty cool
[05:10:28] <renesis> it sucked on a toshiba ive used, but thinkpad and dell stuff ive used is good
[05:10:40] <renesis> dont think current dell has clit...
[05:10:54] <renesis> oh, neat ya it does
[05:11:19] <furrywolf> my mill control machine is a toughbook... one of my toughbooks has a touchscreen... I could use it.
[05:11:35] <renesis> they have a tiny touch pad?
[05:11:43] <furrywolf> yes
[05:12:12] <renesis> i would be scared of accidental tap click/doubleckick with touch
[05:12:19] <renesis> besides that seems okay, you can disable
[05:12:49] <renesis> $10 logitech mouse is prob best solution
[05:13:03] <furrywolf> toughbooks are very interesting devices.
[05:14:11] <furrywolf> I washed two of mine with the garden hose. :)
[05:14:31] <renesis> omgstoppit
[05:14:46] <renesis> are they ipc rated for that?
[05:14:51] <furrywolf> yes
[05:14:58] <renesis> haha silly
[05:15:56] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lpXKwLGkc that's how they test them
[05:17:24] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IIfBjXYbrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-60Y69BL8o that's how you can test them
[05:22:24] <furrywolf> note that they're not waterproof if any plugs are connected... but they're still swarfproof.
[05:23:18] <furrywolf> and spillproof. just don't spray liquid into the open port cover.
[05:25:43] <furrywolf> want one yet? :P
[05:26:38] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[06:00:55] <Computer_Barf> my wife needs a toughbook
[06:01:44] <XXCoder> unobtainabiumbook>
[06:01:47] <XXCoder> *?
[06:02:13] <Computer_Barf> oh god what was that god awful movie
[06:02:23] <XXCoder> core?
[06:02:26] <Computer_Barf> unobainium
[06:02:27] <XXCoder> nott oo sure but yeah
[06:02:28] <Computer_Barf> yeah
[06:03:15] <XXCoder> funny thing if I recall its actual engineering term for material for project that works as long as certain part has unobtainium material
[06:03:28] <XXCoder> like hardness index well past hardest material we know
[06:03:55] <Computer_Barf> its ok as a theoretical term
[06:04:07] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:04:32] <Computer_Barf> im just not ok with morgan freeman telling me he made some and stuck it onto a ship that is going to pilot into the earths core with lasers.
[06:04:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:05:13] <XXCoder> I really hope we find that material lol
[06:05:18] <XXCoder> its pretty amazing
[06:05:32] <Cromaglious_> man I really need to figure this vocore to get it to be a range extender for wifi
[06:06:24] <Computer_Barf> some smartass should create unobtanium and name it obtainiumed
[06:06:34] <XXCoder> yep lol
[06:07:09] <Computer_Barf> you gotta wonder how you would mill the stuff
[06:07:21] <XXCoder> easy
[06:07:27] <XXCoder> make it real cold, remember?
[06:07:45] <Computer_Barf> lol oh god are we referencing the movies advise now?
[06:07:58] <XXCoder> yep lol
[06:08:24] <Computer_Barf> i suppose if it behaves like steel you could harden it and cut it with itself
[06:08:47] <Computer_Barf> how do we address that with materials that can't be hardened normally?
[06:09:02] <XXCoder> if I recall it hardens with heat, but weakens with coldness
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[06:09:27] <XXCoder> so vice would have to be dry ice cooled, and tool would be blown on by torches
[06:09:47] <Cromaglious_> hmmm water is easy to mill when frozen, but easy to injection mold when not
[06:09:48] <XXCoder> heating tool is opposite of what we normally do lol
[06:10:20] <Computer_Barf> how is carbide worked?
[06:10:32] <Computer_Barf> i wonder how endmills are made and such
[06:10:34] <XXCoder> grinder I think
[06:10:43] <Cromaglious_> using green wheel
[06:10:52] <Computer_Barf> how is the rod made?
[06:11:18] <Cromaglious_> centerless ground
[06:11:30] <XXCoder> ceneterless?
[06:12:11] <Cromaglious_> 2 rollers and a grindering wheel for the 3rd roller
[06:12:36] <XXCoder> I notice that when you need uber acuracy grinder is way to go
[06:12:39] <Computer_Barf> ok so they probably buy carbide raw in bulk
[06:12:41] <Cromaglious_> as you get the grinder closer to the two rollers the rod gets rounder
[06:12:46] <Computer_Barf> then grind them
[06:12:59] <Computer_Barf> then probably sputter them with a coating
[06:13:25] <Computer_Barf> sputtering is cool, I saw a guy who built a diy sputtering rig
[06:13:49] <Computer_Barf> it would be cool to build one to sharpen and coat endmills
[06:17:31] <Cromaglious_> well tomorrow I'm working on the reprap 3d printer
[06:17:44] <XXCoder> yay dilios!
[06:17:51] <XXCoder> so whats your plan with it?
[06:17:52] <Computer_Barf> cool, I built a mendelmax
[06:18:01] <Cromaglious_> z steppers are wired in series
[06:18:29] <Cromaglious_> my plan is to get it working
[06:19:01] <Cromaglious_> the next project is to get the reprap board into one of the 40w lasers
[06:19:05] <Computer_Barf> what printer specifically
[06:19:25] <Cromaglious_> A frame one with all thread
[06:19:46] <Computer_Barf> got any pictures?
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[06:22:46] <Cromaglious_> http://itslinux.org/cnc/RepRap/
[06:22:55] <Cromaglious_> the Whole Machine Assembly.pdf
[06:24:32] <Computer_Barf> isn't that a mendel?
[06:25:05] <XXCoder> gonna love spaces in url
[06:25:11] <XXCoder> and apparently /n too
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[06:26:11] <Cromaglious_> Looks like a Mendel
[06:27:41] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: did you print parts using someone elses machine?
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[06:27:57] <Cromaglious_> ebay purchase
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[06:30:47] <XXCoder> cool
[06:31:07] <t12> practicalmachinist manufacturing america/europe forum is a pretty interesting read
[06:34:53] <Cromaglious_> ahhh, instructions say to connect red and blue, then green an black. Hmm.. one motor is turning backwards... so I just have to switch the black on the splice and the green going to the board
[06:36:34] <Computer_Barf> I just copied an image of the parallel wiring on the steppers
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[06:37:42] <Cromaglious_> the new board is parallel, this is the old board
[06:38:32] <Cromaglious_> gn8 kidlette is home finally
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[06:49:57] <Deejay> moin
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[11:03:37] <jthornton> looks like the XP is being backed up :)
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[11:13:07] <_methods> sweet
[11:13:24] <_methods> it's not the easiest thing to set up
[11:13:32] <_methods> but once you get it all running it works great
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[11:21:24] <jthornton> once you get one going the rest are a lot easier to sort out
[11:22:13] <jthornton> well I spoke too soon the xp backup failed
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[11:36:29] <_methods> damn
[11:47:05] <Tom_itx> jthornton, did you get the static ip working?
[11:47:13] <jthornton> not yet
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[13:16:49] <JT-Shop> that's just ngcgui and simple to add
[13:17:11] <zeeshan> yea im looking at your ini
[13:17:16] <zeeshan> looks like a couple lines added under display
[13:17:24] <zeeshan> are those andy's macros?|
[13:17:30] <JT-Shop> no
[13:17:55] <zeeshan> do you have those files online
[13:18:29] <JT-Shop> aye in the hardinge page
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[13:20:43] * zeeshan needs to read
[13:23:28] <zeeshan> youve done a lot of work.
[13:23:53] <zeeshan> looks great man
[13:27:46] <JT-Shop> thanks
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[14:05:03] <ssi> hi
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[15:24:04] <R2E4> anyone around that knows hardware for mesa?
[15:25:10] <cpresser> R2E4: ask a real question. like '
[15:25:16] <cpresser> how do i do xyz?='
[15:26:42] <R2E4> How do I make and led work inline on a 7i77 mesa card input on my VMC?
[15:27:10] <R2E4> I want to use probe input into 7i77 but would like an led.
[15:27:18] <cpresser> do you have a spare output?
[15:27:30] <R2E4> yeah, have plenty spares
[15:27:43] <R2E4> I thought of that but, was worriede not fast enough
[15:27:53] <cpresser> then just hook that input-pin up to a free output-pin, connect a LED
[15:28:07] <cpresser> they are faster than your eye :)
[15:28:13] <R2E4> haha
[15:28:43] <R2E4> hmmm. thats easy then.... Thanks a bunch.
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[16:13:45] <alSMT> Is there a way to keep axis in auto mode after it finishes a program? so I can just push my hardware button to run another part without using the keyboard
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[16:15:59] <eventor> alsmi: you can set auto mode with your hardware button too
[16:16:28] <eventor> is your hardware button linked to halui.program.run?
[16:16:33] <archivist> or just loop the program
[16:17:52] <alSMT> ya that was my next plan loop could work 2
[16:18:40] <alSMT> i just thougt there maybe a setting i could use
[16:20:04] <archivist> I suppose it depends on what is needed between parts (is that part in your gcodee)
[16:20:48] <alSMT> just reloading push the button
[16:21:29] <archivist> reload can be coded too
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[16:22:17] <alSMT> u mean reload the program or the part
[16:30:53] <alSMT> M2 - end the program. Pressing cycle start will start the program at the beginning of the file.
[16:32:03] <eventor> alsmt: to which pin is your harware button linked actually?
[16:32:25] <alSMT> the only trouble with netting run and auto is someone pressing the cycle start button
[16:32:38] <alSMT> halui.run
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[16:33:27] <alSMT> tkemc does'nt act like that
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[16:34:45] <eventor> alsmt: with halui.mode.auto you can request auto mode link it together with halui.program.run
[16:35:15] <alSMT> then it will start from mdi or manual
[16:36:37] <Cromaglious_> morning all
[16:37:16] <eventor> yes, but there is another better solution: forum/hal examples/run/step hold/resume buttons
[16:37:55] <alSMT> ill look
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[16:43:15] <alSMT> eventor, any link no luck
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[16:44:58] <alSMT> found it
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[17:10:10] <MrSunshine> phew ... from 24000 to 13000 rpm with about 3000mm/min to make a 6mm carbide bit sound good in the cnc machine :P
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[17:16:52] <_methods> shrink fit toolholders?
[17:17:30] <archivist> er...why
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[17:39:58] <_methods> that rpm
[17:40:27] <_methods> when you start getting into those speeds it usually a good idea to have balanced toolholders and shrink fit tooling
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[17:44:31] <archivist> I dont think the pcb drilling/routing machines would ever do that, too much tool changing going on
[17:44:47] <archivist> and they can run up to 60k
[17:45:16] <_methods> oh i had no idea of his application
[17:46:02] <_methods> i have no idea if they even make shrink fit tool holders for pcb milling machines
[17:46:25] <archivist> I had a high speed spindle in my hand at a show iirc that was collet of some sort
[17:46:26] <_methods> just saw 6mm endmill and assumed he was talking conventional cnc milling machine
[17:47:29] <archivist> had to touch the rotating part, finger got hot quick :)
[17:47:37] <_methods> i bet
[17:47:47] <archivist> amazing little thing
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[17:49:42] <_methods> yeah that high speed machining stuff is crazy
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[19:06:23] * JT-Shop has a lathe...
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[19:13:18] <_methods> damn keyway broach sets are expensive
[19:13:33] <_methods> gonna have to try and get one at an auction or something
[19:13:46] <Tom_itx> you need a whole set?
[19:14:08] <_methods> i just need a 3 and 5mm for now
[19:14:18] <_methods> but it would be nice to have a set
[19:14:28] <XXCoder> sometimes its cheaper at end to buy a set than buy one a time
[19:14:53] <Tom_itx> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/00293050?src=pla&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test&CS_003=7867724&CS_010=00293050
[19:15:35] <_methods> yeah that's not too horrible i guess
[19:15:41] <_methods> get that and a 5mm by itself
[19:16:11] <_methods> i'm just gonna use the broaches at work for now lol
[19:16:26] <_methods> air compressor and bandsaw first lol
[19:16:31] <_methods> stay on target
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[19:22:27] <JT-Shop> I just get broaches on an as needed basis
[19:22:48] <Tom_itx> yeah, not a bit call for them
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[19:27:23] <Zandypugh> That msc set seems unnaturally cheap.
[19:27:31] <Zandypugh> I bought one of these.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-KEYWAY-BROACHES-IMPERIAL-METRIC-VARIOUS-SIZES-AND-LENGTHS-AVAILABLE-/371093900008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item5666eb8ae8
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[19:27:46] <Zandypugh> And I would not expect MSC to be cheaper than RDG.
[19:30:36] <Tom_itx> yeah, i think they carry a mix of tools. some chinese and some decent
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[19:32:16] <Zandypugh> Actually, that is only two broaches, isn’t it?
[19:32:29] <_methods> that's why i don't want to spend much since i really don't broach that much
[19:32:51] <_methods> i was looking at to lathe lever arm "broaches"
[19:32:55] <_methods> some diy ones
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[19:33:06] <_methods> might go that route for as often as i have to broach stuff
[19:33:24] * SpeedEvil ponders lathe lever arm EDM
[19:33:45] <_methods> heh it's all fun and games until you drop the edm on your ways
[19:33:54] <_methods> while it on
[19:35:18] <Zandypugh> I wrote a proacj routinr for my lathe: G0 Z10, G1 Z-10……
[19:35:27] <Zandypugh> (broach routine)
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[19:36:49] <_methods> yeah if i had a cnc lathe that would work spectacularly
[19:37:00] <_methods> unfortunately i'm still a couple centuries behind in that dept
[19:37:52] <_methods> converting chinese lathe is next after air compressor and bandsaw
[19:38:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABB-Robot-6600-M2000-175-S4C-Robotic-Cell-Torque-Laser-Vision-clean-Industrial-/291439111585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43db1feda1
[19:38:21] <SpeedEvil> _leetle_ over my budget
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[19:38:56] <_methods> you can get some deals on arms missing controllers
[19:39:08] <_methods> if you plan on hookin one up to linuxcnc
[19:39:59] <Zandypugh> You could slot with a CNC mill if you stopped the spindle rotating.
[19:40:15] <_methods> i might try that too
[19:40:36] <_methods> rough keyway out with endmill plunge
[19:40:43] <_methods> then clean up with locked spindle
[19:41:07] <_methods> and ground tool
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[19:41:24] <Zandypugh> There is often no reason not to just run with a D-shaped gap above the key.
[19:41:47] <_methods> meh i have broaches at work i'll just do it right there
[19:41:59] <Zandypugh> Especially if you are using a grub-screw onto the back of the key.
[19:42:06] <_methods> i'd just much rather do it at home with a beer lol
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[19:42:22] <_methods> yeah i'm using grub screw
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[19:43:20] <_methods> strap lawn chair to robot arm end effector - take to local fair - write whirly arm program - $$profit$$
[19:43:47] <_methods> try not to kill anyone or it cuts into said $$profit$$
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[19:46:58] <Zandypugh> What is the application? These things are stronger than keyways:
http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/
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[19:47:09] <Zandypugh> (and easier, and spendier)
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[19:48:43] <_methods> it's a shaft on motor that's keyed already
[19:48:50] <_methods> i'm just making some pulleys for it
[19:49:09] <Zandypugh> Trantorque can bridge an existing keyway, it’s allowed.
[19:49:42] <Zandypugh> And they give much better axial location than keyway+setscrew
[19:50:21] <_methods> i'm perv'n their catalog now
[19:50:26] <Zandypugh> I am curious what price it quotes you…
http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/_/Trantorque-Mini-16mm/
[19:50:28] <_methods> they have some slick stuff
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[19:50:58] <_methods> ouch $56.30
[19:51:23] <andypugh> Really? For the 16mm?
[19:51:27] <_methods> yeah
[19:51:35] <andypugh> It says £10:52 for me
[19:51:35] <_methods> i'd definitely use them for a real work job
[19:51:55] <andypugh> Which is not the way pricing normally works.
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[19:52:03] <_methods> yeah lol
[19:52:59] <_methods> we're taxin you guys for that tea thing still
[19:53:09] <andypugh> Look for the size you need on eBay?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-FENNER-6202280-TRANTORQUE-KEYLESS-1-1-16IN-BORE-BUSHING-D333866-/231421339593?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e1c967c9
[19:53:34] <_methods> yeah $15 with $7 shipping
[19:53:35] <_methods> not bad
[19:54:33] <_methods> thanks andypugh
[19:54:41] <_methods> i've never used those before that's pretty spiffy
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[19:57:30] <_methods> that Bloc looks pretty cool too
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[20:22:45] <MrSunshine> archivist: calculated the speed of a 6mm routing bit was supposed to be like 16 meters/minute at 24000 rpm :P
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[20:33:27] <MrSunshine> real high speed chirp from the bit until i lowered the spindle speed to about 13k rpm .. to get closer to the recomended chiploads of the bit
[20:33:38] <MrSunshine> then it was almost a pleasure to listne to it cut =)
[20:34:07] <MrSunshine> but its still a bit high it seems as i make mostly dust ...
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[20:35:52] <MrSunshine> 11800 rpm is the recommended high end of spindle speed for the bit at 3000mm/min
[20:36:17] <MrSunshine> 8500 for low end .. hehe =)
[20:36:27] <MrSunshine> but then i will buirn out the motor in the long run
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[20:42:27] <MrFluffy> furrywolf: rotary axis working, then unplugged with dc off, no nasty smoke from stepper, stepper back in with dc power off and all ok, works great thanks for the steer
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[22:30:43] <furrywolf> I need to make my rotary axises work... first I need a new rotary table.
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[22:31:37] <furrywolf> and a 7i76e!
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[22:33:26] <furrywolf> I have a 4" rotary table I plan on CNCing, but it's properly sized for my sherline... looking for a 6" for my shoptask.
[22:33:35] <furrywolf> then I can bolt the 4" to the 6"...
[22:35:54] <malcom2073> I need to buy a mesaboard one of these days
[22:40:16] * furrywolf needs money
[22:40:51] <MrFluffy> I cut a rotary spindle from a old lathe...
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[22:41:13] <MrFluffy> it was a button lathe, the bed was rubbish, but the headstock was great
[22:42:23] <furrywolf> button lathe? does that just mean it made buttons, or a type of lathe I've not heard of? heh
[22:43:10] <MrFluffy> it was made to make buttons on a production line, so sensitive feeds no handwheels, capstain tailstock feed, turret toolholder, but accuracy more than a inch from the collet poor
[22:43:35] <MrFluffy> the entire bed was only supported at the headstock end, and it drooped away from that area
[22:43:53] <MrFluffy> let me see if I have a pic still
[22:44:22] <MrFluffy> http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/31099-1/small_capstan.jpg
[22:45:04] <furrywolf> looks old. lol
[22:45:14] <MrFluffy> that whole tailstock assembly was supported on that single round rail, and you could measure deflection as you moved away from the chuck, I was told it was for making buttons on a production line
[22:46:05] <MrFluffy> I have used every single piece of it, and the main headstock casting is my A axis now
[22:47:24] <MrFluffy> there is a machine bed I have my eye on to make a trunnion from it too if I can arrange it
[22:49:00] <furrywolf> I don't think I need a fast spindle... just a rotary table.
[22:49:30] <MrFluffy> I only have a stepper on it, it was just there to repurpose
[22:49:49] <MrFluffy> I had used lots of other parts of it on other things already
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[22:51:10] <furrywolf> it's amazing how much better quality my little 4" sherline one is than all the 6" ones on ebay...
[22:54:04] <furrywolf> I wonder what I could build one out of? heh
[22:54:27] <furrywolf> I have some 100:1 worm boxes in storage, but I don't know if a 3/4" output shaft is stout enough to build a 6" table onto...
[22:57:45] <MrFluffy> how do you get the clamps etc to fixture onto a 6" work area? thats always what I find awkward
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[22:58:29] <furrywolf> small parts. lol
[22:59:38] <furrywolf> all these chinese rotary tables just look to be really low quality
[23:00:35] <furrywolf> suitable only for manual machining, not cnc work
[23:00:46] <MrFluffy> they are cheap, because you are paying for a lack of qc and rejects, but if you do not take that gamble, you might not be able to afford one at all
[23:01:41] <MrFluffy> I had to grind in a batch of qc30 toolholders because the flange was too thick to actually go in a qc30 spindle... but they are $40 apiece instead of $200
[23:02:28] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RINO-ONDRIVES-STEPPER-MOTOR-FOR-CNC-4TH-AXIS-WORM-GEAR-NEMA-23-WITH-3-CHUCK-/331538484182 those would make a rather cute B axis for small, round parts
[23:05:12] <MrFluffy> I like big old things, the ones that give you a hernia getting onto the table, but then backlash is a issue
[23:06:14] <furrywolf> I plan on using my sherline 4" table for my B axis... it's manual but looks easily cncable. I have an angle plate and a chuck adapter for it already.
[23:06:20] <furrywolf> need a bigger table for A
[23:07:28] <MrFluffy> Im using the wrong term again, I have the lathe headstock spindle mounted as my rotary axis along the X
[23:08:14] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-ROTARY-TABLE-Hi-Accuracy-9-table-driven-by-a-POWERFUL-NEMA-34-STEPPER-MOTOR-/331423767899 ... that doesn't look like it would work. stepper is too springy. lol
[23:08:51] <furrywolf> especially with the amount of microstepping you'd need
[23:08:55] <andypugh> Yes not a chance
[23:09:13] <MrFluffy> Its too high too, you would loose all your Z
[23:09:23] <andypugh> OK for cake decorating.
[23:09:23] <furrywolf> I can only imagine it's aimed at scanning rather than machining
[23:09:36] <furrywolf> it'd work great if the only thing you were aiming at it was a laser.
[23:09:59] <andypugh> Maybe not a Terawatt laser
[23:10:07] <MrFluffy> bijoux welding rotator :)
[23:11:19] <MrFluffy> if someone gave me one, I could make a lovely little die filer from most of it though
[23:12:19] <MrFluffy> does anyone make any reasonably priced stainless rotary tables?
[23:12:30] <andypugh> I doubt it.
[23:12:47] <andypugh> The only application would be HV and medical, and those are deep-pocket businesses.
[23:13:07] <MrFluffy> Im supposed to be in a group buy to get the WGR indexer castings in stainless but its dragging out and I have to make it after anyway
[23:13:13] <MrFluffy> or wire edm...
[23:13:22] <MrFluffy> for use in the dielectric tank...
[23:13:37] <andypugh> Stainless castings are expensive. Why not go for bronze?
[23:13:44] <MrFluffy> corrosion
[23:14:07] <andypugh> They use bronze on ships
[23:14:22] <furrywolf> and it turns green.
[23:14:38] <MrFluffy> leaves furry marks on the worktable overnight
[23:14:49] <andypugh> The dielectric tank is clean water though, isn’t it?
[23:15:18] <MrFluffy> de ionised, and yes,very clean but with eroded particles in it
[23:15:46] <MrFluffy> and if you get a bad contact between the table and workpiece, it erodes the table or fixture too
[23:15:50] <andypugh> Plumbing fittings seem to cope OK
[23:16:28] <andypugh> I would have a lot more confidence in the conductivity of bronze than stainless. And it is _much_ cheaper to cast.
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[23:16:44] <furrywolf> it's not dionized after you drop a workpiece into it. lol
[23:16:57] <MrFluffy> 99% of edm tooling is stainless, they must have good reason
[23:17:04] <andypugh> Neither is my mains water.
[23:17:05] <furrywolf> deionized
[23:17:12] <MrFluffy> the machine mixes resin into it furry
[23:17:32] <furrywolf> I have a DI setup, and can tell you that just about ANYTHING un-deionizes your water...
[23:17:38] <MrFluffy> it has a monitor, and when the tank resistivity gets too high, it pumps it through a DI bottle
[23:17:52] <andypugh> Well, yes, the process makes ions.
[23:18:08] <andypugh> It’s kind-of what sparks are famous for.
[23:18:23] <furrywolf> ok, so you're continually running it over a DI resin. that'd keep it deionized, yes... and your wallet emptying.
[23:18:26] <MrFluffy> yes but the cantons and antons in the mixed bed resins in the bottle counter that
[23:18:35] <furrywolf> stupid DI carts for my filter are $35 each!
[23:18:46] <MrFluffy> with a edm, your wallet is always emptying...
[23:19:11] <furrywolf> lol
[23:19:25] <SpeedEvil> I suppose using tapwater and simply once through is considered bad form?
[23:19:42] <MrFluffy> you cant, you can buy deionised water from the supermarket though
[23:19:50] <andypugh> It was interesting to see that on the Sea Harrier aircraft quite a bit of the landing hear was bronze castings.
[23:19:56] <furrywolf> $1.49/gallon
[23:20:03] <MrFluffy> but you get funny looks pushing a cart full of 5l bottles of water
[23:20:17] <MrFluffy> its much cheaper here... $0.40 or so
[23:20:30] <furrywolf> ... at a supermarket?
[23:20:54] <MrFluffy> yes, I cleaned them out commissioning it for the first fire up
[23:21:14] <furrywolf> https://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/4925071286.html how come milling machines are much cheaper the further away from where I am you get? heh
[23:21:44] <andypugh> I sailed across the Pacific in a bat with a broken water-maker. We loaded the boat with 45 full-size water-cooler bottles.
[23:22:01] <andypugh> (in a boat, not a bat. Bats aren’t big enough)
[23:23:01] <MrFluffy> not di though, I think its fatal to drink
[23:23:21] <furrywolf> no, you can drink di. it just tastes weird, and doesn't provide any minerals at all.
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[23:24:35] <MrFluffy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1KA9JqOtAo
[23:24:46] <furrywolf> http://medford.craigslist.org/bar/4946659436.html "has awesome features such as the pure titanium tweeter which was inadvertantly designed to (at higher volume levels)shred your ear drums into tiny little ribbons of useless flesh using its hyper-stratus blow-phonic pure titanium cone of peril technology, previously released only once during the creation of space and time never to be seen again" gee, do you think the tweeter might be a little harsh? :)
[23:24:55] <MrFluffy> it has nasty black bits in, Im not risking it :)
[23:28:12] <MrFluffy> I think that it would be a voyage of discovery to try and deal with that seller...
[23:28:36] <andypugh> He sounds like fun.
[23:28:36] <furrywolf> lol
[23:29:50] <furrywolf> I got a call today from the guy I was trying to buy a set of JBL speakers from... he couldn't find them. he thinks they're in another storage unit of his in oregon, that he won't be checking until mid-summer. heh.
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[23:30:35] <MrFluffy> years of machines, motorcycles and live music, Im down with just normal pc speakers nowadays
[23:31:11] <furrywolf> I've love another pair of JBL 4311s.
[23:31:19] <MrFluffy> they all make that same whistling noise in the quiet bits
[23:31:33] <furrywolf> heh
[23:31:48] <furrywolf> that just means you need louder speakers. :P
[23:32:27] <furrywolf> he does have a sansui BA-F1 power amp... but I'm not sure I need it. it sounded like he thought it was worth a lot more than I think it's worth.
[23:32:39] <MrFluffy> andy: $250 for the wgr castings in stainless I think it was
[23:32:40] <furrywolf> .003% THD at 110W/channel
[23:33:21] <furrywolf> I'm probably better off just getting off my tail and fixing my kenwood L-07m pair... dc-600khz at 150W RMS. heh.
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[23:36:03] <MrFluffy> thats more than I paid for the edm...
[23:36:27] <MrFluffy> it had been in a big blowup... it was a fun repair job...
[23:39:02] <SpeedEvil> 600khz sounds unlikely
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[23:42:11] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: and yet that's what they go to. because kenwood wanted to beat everyone else's specs past and future.
[23:42:29] <furrywolf> they also have an annoying habit of oscillating themselves to destruction as the caps age.
[23:42:53] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Oh - an amp
[23:42:59] <SpeedEvil> I thought you meant a speaker
[23:43:22] <SpeedEvil> My current amp I'm using is a 15W class D one bought off ebay, running off an old scanner PSU.
[23:43:28] <SpeedEvil> WFM.
[23:43:40] <MrFluffy> maybe it can double as a longwave transmitter :)
[23:43:47] <SpeedEvil> It cost significantly less than $1000.
[23:44:11] <furrywolf> lol
[23:44:35] <furrywolf> my living room currently runs off a pair of car amps
[23:44:49] <furrywolf> wired to the 12v bus on my solar system
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[23:45:20] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rockford-Fosgate-Punch-4080DSM-/261814480517 old school rockford fosgate power
[23:46:39] <furrywolf> bridged for an honest 160W/channel into 4 ohms... I have 8 ohm speakers, so running about 80-100W/channel.
[23:47:25] <MrFluffy> I used to share a house when I was a reprobate and single and we had a kw of valved mono disco PA amp with whatever we could scrounge wired in parallel to it. Maybe thats why I get tinnitus so bad. In retrospect it sounded terrible too
[23:48:28] <furrywolf> lol
[23:49:10] <furrywolf> but it had valves! it has to sound better than any of this new-fangled solid-state junk! just ask any audiophile!
[23:49:54] <MrFluffy> a rounded sound, or was that just the massive amounts of mains hum from the power supply inside trying to keep pace
[23:50:01] <andypugh> I think the owner of this setup has a problem, but it isn’t “too little money”
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/melody3/hero_dan2.jpg
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[23:53:17] <MrFluffy> I had a radiogram one (massive piece of furniture with just a valve radio and amp inside), and it had nixie tubes for the signal strength tuning
[23:53:33] <MrFluffy> it still sounded terrible and spent most the energy heating the room up
[23:54:35] <furrywolf> http://www.oaktreevintage.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Jerry_G_OakTreeVintage_1960s-1970s-1980s_Classic-Vintage_Stereo_Speakers_dealer-collection-smaller.jpg is it bad that I can identify a large porition of those, and own 6 pairs shown? lol
[23:55:14] <furrywolf> actually, I think I only have 5 of those
[23:55:59] <MrFluffy> Ive got a record player still, does that make me an audiophile?
[23:57:11] <LeelooMinai> No, a hermit though:)
[23:57:15] <furrywolf> yes
[23:58:03] <MrFluffy> Ive still got a prodigy record on green vinyl too, collectors edition, except I sawn the centre out so it fitted on
[23:58:18] <MrFluffy> and Ive played it too, so now its worn and worthless
