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[00:00:01] <MrFluffy> and its made worse because the crankcase has to accomodate the primary gear with a window
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[00:00:31] <MrFluffy> so weakest part of the case, weakest unjoined part of the crank
[00:01:44] <MrFluffy> most common failure with the zed is it either goes out of index near the drive gear (built up crank) or the cases break where the window is
[00:01:49] <andypugh> But one big long one has 4x the torsion at the gear. In fact looking at the pictures Fath took the drive out of the middle of each pair, so the main bearing journals only had to be big enough for a single cyinder’s torque
[00:02:29] <andypugh> This reminds me of a 3-man tandem I once made
[00:02:54] <MrFluffy> yes, but your missing thinking about case flexing
[00:03:05] <andypugh> I used normal bike parts found chained to railings and lookin abandoned.
[00:03:07] <MrFluffy> they walk about with higher hp levels
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[00:04:00] <MrFluffy> I have a 15mm thick wall in that area to stiffen it all up,but it will still break sooner or later
[00:04:43] <andypugh> So I used cottered cranks and crossed the drive over side-to-side. It turned out that doing it that way passes at least 4x the torque through the cotter pin than normal, and they shear.
[00:06:03] <MrFluffy> its about moments from the load point
[00:06:21] <andypugh> Fath split his cranks _specifically_ to avoid crank vibrations caused by the 90-degree crank phasing he chose to limit engine vibration.
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[00:07:01] <MrFluffy> they would have to be phased into the drive gear though?
[00:07:13] <MrFluffy> with shock loading harmonics on the gear
[00:07:41] <andypugh> I am not sure how it worked past the crank.
[00:07:43] <andypugh> :-)
[00:08:15] <MrFluffy> kawasaki made a central output crank for their turbo, and drove a jackshaft with a massive morse hyvo chain
[00:08:28] <MrFluffy> but it had one piece forged crank with hydrodynamic bearings
[00:08:40] <MrFluffy> not the rollers of the older z1 series
[00:09:48] <andypugh> I am just quoting from a book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Motorcycles-Vic-Willoughby/dp/0600318702/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429747766&sr=1-1&keywords=0600318702
[00:09:59] <MrFluffy> its all interesting, but history says the top 10 fastest bikes inthe world all have end drive cranks into seperate gearboxes
[00:10:19] <MrFluffy> 7 of them were built by a bloke in his shed who lives on a canal barge
[00:10:23] <andypugh> End-drive cranks just seem wrong to me
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[00:10:57] <MrFluffy> Puma Engineering, was Pete Davis, a ex rolls royce fitter who built the engines himself in his shed on manual machines
[00:11:10] <MrFluffy> around the fj cylinder spacing
[00:11:17] <andypugh> I can only guess that the crank is not the critical part, it’s the gearbox and end drive gives you more room
[00:11:43] <MrFluffy> gearboxes are always the problem, and going to epicyclic boxes makes it easier
[00:11:45] <andypugh> I had an FJ
[00:12:12] <MrFluffy> because of the amount of traction and launch violence, there is a hugeamount of wind up and shock load into the boxes and trans
[00:12:20] <andypugh> It was an 1100 until the oil consumption got silly. Then I re-bored it to 1340.
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[00:12:30] <MrFluffy> but you need the hard launch to make the tyre expand and grip
[00:12:58] <MrFluffy> the wrinkle at the bottom forces the tyre into the surface harder, its intentional
[00:13:01] <andypugh> Which didn’t make the oil consumption much better, which was disappointing.
[00:13:24] <MrFluffy> tolerances on the rebore?
[00:13:25] <Tom_itx> rings didn't seat?
[00:14:41] <andypugh> The pistons (Wiseco) were teflon coated and I think I should have measured the non-coated parts when choosing the bore size.
[00:14:57] <andypugh> Or maybe I just got the surface finish wrong.
[00:14:59] <MrFluffy> japanese liners are harder than what the car recon industry could cope with at the time
[00:15:21] <MrFluffy> teflon? molly coated more like
[00:16:37] <MrFluffy> dark grey on the skirts, it will have been molly di. they stopped that but now the hot ticket is some kind of ceramic layer
[00:16:42] <andypugh> The kit came with new liners. I had to remove the old liners, bore the block, fit new liners and bore the liners. And it was definitely teflon. And in retrospect probably not a good plan. Yamaha didn’t do that.
[00:18:02] <MrFluffy> forged pistons always have masses of clearance anyway, they rattle and have to expand up to temp for road use
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[00:18:18] <MrFluffy> and wiseco specs err on the loose side
[00:18:20] <andypugh> As I recall the liners and pistons came from Wiseco and then went away for Teflon to someone else. This was a group-buy on the FJ mailing list where we had an instance of “my mate can teflon your pistons, it will be great”
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[00:19:02] <andypugh> I should have ignored the teflon when measuring, I think.
[00:19:03] <MrFluffy> oh ok, mtc and wiseco used to sell molly coated skirt pistons
[00:19:49] <andypugh> I am planning to CNC-machine patterns for pistons for Ner-a-Cars.
[00:19:57] <MrFluffy> I have wiseco 1127s in my road gpz1100, and that rattles and smokes a bit until its up to temp
[00:20:00] <andypugh> Now that is a strange piston
[00:20:13] <MrFluffy> yes, big old deflector piston irrc :)
[00:20:20] <MrFluffy> like some vintage tractor
[00:21:16] <andypugh> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C_a0pWx__IE/U1VEj96-IAI/AAAAAAAADVw/OdExRZIoCug/s1600/IMG_1157.jpg
[00:21:33] <andypugh> I don’t understand the holes
[00:21:58] <MrFluffy> oil drain lightening and weight reduction?
[00:22:08] <andypugh> It’s a 2-stroke
[00:22:15] <MrFluffy> they look like my mates harley pistons hahaha
[00:22:25] <MrFluffy> (he has teflon buttons in the skirts)
[00:22:38] <andypugh> (the holes have to not be where the ports are)
[00:22:59] <MrFluffy> are they to control distortion of the casting during expansion?
[00:23:57] <MrFluffy> does it have crankcase compression and transfer ports, or that too new for this tech?
[00:24:49] <andypugh> Ohh, this was a sad read: about 2/3 of the way down someone balanced his original model-T pistons: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/303984.html?1351781222
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[00:25:52] <andypugh> All two-strokes before tubos/supercharging were crankcase compression and transfer port
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[00:27:58] <MrFluffy> not all ;)
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[00:28:37] <andypugh> Our 1916 Dennis has one piston that weighs 1lb more than the others. It used to be 1kg, but I machined a fair bit out.
[00:29:12] <MrFluffy> at 500rpm its not so critical
[00:29:20] <andypugh> MrFluffy: Well, there were engines like the Dolphin with a pumper piston, admittedly,
[00:29:47] <MrFluffy> dkw split single, though that def had transfer going on
[00:29:57] <MrFluffy> doxford marine diesels too
[00:30:02] <MrFluffy> 2 stroke diesels
[00:30:31] <andypugh> I think that the 2-stroke diesels are all forced-induction
[00:30:53] <andypugh> (TS3 for example, that makes a lovely noise)
[00:31:26] <andypugh> You need this book. But not a the current price: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0852982089/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=&qid=
[00:32:05] <MrFluffy> Gobron-Brillié in 1902 had a two stroke opposed piston engine with no transfer ports or primary compression...
[00:34:05] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrAoj5Cuu68
[00:34:17] <andypugh> Does not sound like a diesel
[00:35:00] <MrFluffy> no sound in the workshop pc, but iknow what a commer two stroke sounds like already
[00:35:20] <andypugh> They sound Lovely :_)
[00:35:37] <MrFluffy> the Brillié had a petrol distributer instead of a carb too
[00:36:31] <MrFluffy> anyway, not much machine work is being done andits 2.36 here, so I best call it a morning andwish you people good night
[00:36:44] <MrFluffy> or ill be falling asleep on yet another all day conference boreathon
[00:38:46] <andypugh> I am trying to remember the GB layout, and how it worked. Deltic, Nomad and TS3 used the same arrangement, but were forced induction. GB and Junker Jumo weren’t.
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[00:39:26] <MrFluffy> yes they begat the 6-71 blower line
[00:39:37] <MrFluffy> much reclearanced and abused by hotrodders
[00:39:48] <MrFluffy> ok, gnite
[00:39:54] <andypugh> Goodnight
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[00:48:11] <Cromaglious_> meh to the x-71 series blower... Paxton!!!!
[00:48:26] <Cromaglious_> Rotary Vane blower
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[00:53:39] <Cromaglious_> trying to remember there was a 2 stroke petrol engine which was basically a 2 stroke detroit, used a switl chamber and direct fuel injection and a magneto
[00:53:53] <Cromaglious_> and forced induction
[00:54:10] <andypugh> Orbital?
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[01:03:31] <Cromaglious_> I think it was either late 30's or in the 50's
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[01:04:16] <Cromaglious_> lotta power for it's size and it had pretty good emissions IE: decent fuel enconomy
[01:04:46] <Cromaglious_> basically 3 times the engine for the size
[01:05:44] <Cromaglious_> maybe the orbital
[01:06:39] <andypugh> Hmm, this wikipedia page is rubbish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_screw_compressor
[01:06:50] <andypugh> I still have no idea how they work
[01:07:32] <malcom2073> andypugh: The air goes around the outside of the screws
[01:07:43] <andypugh> I understand Roots blowers and gear pumps. These appear to use a diffferent idea, but the page does not explain it
[01:07:47] <malcom2073> Or wiat, is that roots?
[01:07:54] <andypugh> malcom2073: I dont
[01:08:12] <andypugh> I don’t think it does in this case
[01:08:22] <Cromaglious_> 5-71 detroit deisel blower is a Roots design blower
[01:08:26] <malcom2073> Ah yeah sorry, roots spins air around the outside, screw types spins it between the rotors for compression
[01:08:39] <Cromaglious_> Roots was the inventor back in the 18xx's
[01:08:46] <andypugh> So the flow is along the rotation axis?
[01:09:34] <malcom2073> I was looking at them last week and found a decent picture, let me see if I can find it again
[01:10:17] <malcom2073> Yes along the rotation axis
[01:10:17] <malcom2073> http://lisadavisdesign.com/images/slideshow_art/illustration/screw_compressor.png
[01:10:38] <andypugh> The helical shape prevents them working like a Roots. If the rotors pictured were in a Roots housing they would leak
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[01:12:45] <andypugh> What I am saying is that the Wiki page makes no attempt to explain how they work, but explains in too much detail how to control them
[01:12:53] <malcom2073> True
[01:12:55] <malcom2073> Well... it's wiki
[01:12:56] <malcom2073> edit it! :P
[01:13:13] <andypugh> I would, but I don’t know how they work
[01:13:23] <malcom2073> Probably same thing the last guy said
[01:14:44] <zeeshan|2> wow
[01:14:48] <zeeshan|2> that was a well needed nap
[01:15:33] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: what do u not gets
[01:15:46] <zeeshan|2> ;d
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[01:17:28] <zeeshan|2> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
[01:18:48] <zeeshan|2> its hard to see the diff between a roots vs screw
[01:19:03] <zeeshan|2> but my understanding is the screw has a taper in it, while the roots doesnt
[01:19:03] <andypugh> Hmm, and on page 4 is a picture. Which I think us wrong.
[01:19:11] <zeeshan|2> so it compresses the air as it rotates
[01:19:14] <zeeshan|2> roots doesnt
[01:19:25] <zeeshan|2> roots is just like a positive displacement pump
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[01:19:50] <zeeshan|2> all i know is
[01:19:57] <zeeshan|2> EATON TVS 1900 > ROOTS!
[01:19:57] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:20:09] <zeeshan|2> > procharger dsc1 nonsense
[01:20:18] <andypugh> Roots passes the air in the tooth-gaps round the outside. I get that and it’s 100% clear,
[01:20:34] <zeeshan|2> yea if u look at the cross section
[01:21:21] <Cromaglious_> All I know is screw type air compressors are damn efficient. I believe most trailer type compressors for like jack hammers are screw type
[01:21:53] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: https://grabcad.com/library/twin-screw-supercharger-lobe
[01:21:55] <zeeshan|2> grab that
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[01:22:07] <zeeshan|2> actually itake that back
[01:22:09] <zeeshan|2> that doesnt look right
[01:22:54] <andypugh> Twin screw can’t work that way. Look at page 4 of that howstuffworks article. There is a gige hole round the pink rotor from “fill” to “disharge”. That picture is just wrong. (unless it is a Tesla turbine :-)
[01:23:21] <andypugh> (gige = huge)
[01:24:18] <Tom_itx> we had a screw compressor in our shop
[01:24:24] <Tom_itx> tankless
[01:24:33] <andypugh> My conclusion so far is that nobody on the internet (including me) knows how they work
[01:24:51] <malcom2073> andypugh: Possible that nobody anywhere knows, but they keep producing them because people keep being them
[01:24:53] <malcom2073> buying*
[01:25:04] <andypugh> Well, they do work.
[01:25:36] <malcom2073> Is a screw type actually positive displacement?
[01:25:48] <zeeshan|2> kind of
[01:25:53] <zeeshan|2> it compresses the air as well
[01:25:55] <zeeshan|2> cause of the taper
[01:26:38] <zeeshan|2> http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wm.php/images/whipple_SC_4.jpg
[01:26:39] <zeeshan|2> can you see it?!
[01:26:40] <zeeshan|2> the taper?1
[01:27:19] <zeeshan|2> there has to be a gif online of the cros ssection
[01:27:22] <zeeshan|2> will makeit so much easier to see.
[01:27:34] <zeeshan|2> http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/~sj376/image18.gif
[01:27:40] <zeeshan|2> that shows it pretty clearly
[01:27:55] <ASRock_pc> http://gifsoup.com/view/4919957/screw-compressor.html
[01:28:04] <zeeshan|2> you need to see the cros section
[01:28:05] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQd-BTxNQHU
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[01:29:04] <malcom2073> There it is
[01:29:14] <malcom2073> That explains it pretty good
[01:29:23] <ASRock_pc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stjvbAO_6JQ
[01:30:41] <malcom2073> So each vane cavity forms a compartment that shrinks as it moves down the rotor
[01:30:51] <ASRock_pc> mine was prettier :D
[01:30:52] <malcom2073> Until it gets to the bottom and discharges
[01:31:54] <malcom2073> slick
[01:35:26] <andypugh> The wiki page needs that animation
[01:35:59] <malcom2073> Yeah
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[01:38:08] <zeeshan|2> anyone use these led strips before
[01:38:09] <andypugh> Normally a wiki page will either explain the question I have, or send me off on a fascinating tangent. The screw compressor one did neither.
[01:38:15] <Tom_itx> don't tell reprappers about them. they'll start using them for filament extruders
[01:38:41] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: dual wood screws have been tried
[01:39:39] <Tom_itx> just get a meat grinder screw
[01:40:01] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Wouldn’t work, as filament is incompressible. Roots-type or a gear pump would work, though, and might not even be a bad idea. You would get genuine volume control
[01:40:21] <malcom2073> I thought about a gear pump pushing abs powder to a hotend through a tube
[01:40:30] <Tom_itx> yeah i guess it needs a continuous outlet
[01:40:52] <andypugh> Just pump molten plastic
[01:41:46] <malcom2073> Meh, I gave up trying to think up things, I jut use what I got since it works lol
[01:42:21] <andypugh> I now find myself not knowing how a meat grinder screw works. But I think that they are a Tesla turbine, relying on the viscosity of meat
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[01:44:30] <andypugh> wiki again, excessive precision “Frozen meat grinders can process frozen blocks of meat, bacon and mechanically separated meat up to –25 °C. The frozen blocks can range from 90x50x15 cm to 90x50x20 cm, and the power applied from 8.000 kg to 12.000 kg. By the regular cutting the chopped meat can be processed through mixers and grinders, which reach an optimal addition in the cutter as well as a protection of the cutte
[01:44:31] <andypugh> and knives.”
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[01:46:19] <andypugh> So, it is clearly impossible to process frozen meat larger or smaller than those sizes?
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[01:48:18] <renesis> andypugh: how do you know the grinders arent full digital with precision force meters?
[01:48:49] <renesis> i mean, probably a just a big dude with a lever, but maybe!
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[01:50:06] <andypugh> The power units are wrong. But I am also bothered about the block size limits.
[01:50:47] <andypugh> OK, time to sleep when wiki articles about foodstuffs I don’t even eat bother me.
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[01:50:58] <Tom_itx> hah
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[01:54:00] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-12V-MEANWELL-LED-POWER-SUPPLY-LPV-100-12-/141501948023?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item20f22c6077
[01:54:03] <zeeshan|2> this seems expensive
[01:54:05] <zeeshan|2> for a power supply.
[01:54:49] <ASRock_pc> what about a wallwart or brick?
[01:54:54] <zeeshan|2> need 100W
[01:55:01] <zeeshan|2> do they come in walwart form?
[01:55:01] <ASRock_pc> what's that in A?
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[01:55:13] <zeeshan|2> 12V @ ~8.3A
[01:55:14] <ASRock_pc> i've got an 8A pico psu supply
[01:58:14] <ASRock_pc> http://www.mini-box.com/AC-DC-power-supplies
[01:58:19] <ASRock_pc> about the same price
[01:58:47] <ASRock_pc> 12v 16A for 50
[01:59:16] <ASRock_pc> the 8.5A for 29 is what i got for my other pc iirc
[01:59:41] <ASRock_pc> and it's got an internal fan
[01:59:49] <ASRock_pc> i don't think it's ever come on though
[02:00:44] <ASRock_pc> that's a little more than half the one you linked
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[03:09:56] <zeeshan|2> are those laptop power supplies
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[03:10:24] <Tom_itx> no, just 12v
[03:10:30] <Tom_itx> i use them on the pico psu
[03:10:30] <zeeshan|2> that site has a 8.5A
[03:10:33] <zeeshan|2> for 29$
[03:10:34] <Tom_itx> yes
[03:10:39] <Tom_itx> i have one on this pc
[03:10:40] <zeeshan|2> thats cheap!
[03:10:45] <Tom_itx> has a fan too
[03:10:50] <Tom_itx> also have 16A ones
[03:11:09] <Tom_itx> this one has been running 24/7 for years
[03:11:35] <zeeshan|2> damn these guys
[03:11:38] <zeeshan|2> and their free shipping to usa
[03:12:34] <Tom_itx> i just got another pico psu 120 for the new asrock board but i got a 5A supply for it instead
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[03:13:40] <fenug_> Does anyone here use PTC Creo / Creo2 / WF>=4 ?
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[03:27:35] * furrywolf has absolutely no idea what any of those are
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[03:29:26] <Cromaglious> grrr linuxcnc is refusing to run
[03:30:10] <furrywolf> make it drop and give you twenty, then.
[03:30:20] <zeeshan|2> hi furry
[03:31:52] <Cromaglious> Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/hal_parport.ko: Input/output error
[03:31:53] <fenug_> CAD/CAM designed by Satan
[03:32:08] <zeeshan|2> did you reboot
[03:32:21] <Cromaglious> twice even
[03:32:37] <Cromaglious> looks like cups is fsck'n me
[03:32:41] <zeeshan|2> did you fry your parport
[03:32:44] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:33:02] <Cromaglious> parport_pc 21896 1
[03:33:02] <Cromaglious> parport 35208 2 ppdev,parport_pc
[03:33:09] <zeeshan|2> lspci -vv
[03:35:09] <Cromaglious> hang on
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[03:38:33] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/lspci-vv.txt
[03:39:02] <Computer_Barf> anyone here running a mesa ethernet based card on ubuntu?
[03:39:51] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/lsmod.txt
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[03:42:49] <Cromaglious> yep video card, tv card, wifi, gigabit eth, and 2 usb cards
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[04:49:44] <Cromaglious_> hmm Acorn computers which made the BBC computer spun off a processor computer ARM
[04:49:56] <Cromaglious_> hmm Acorn computers which made the BBC computer spun off a processor company ARM
[04:50:10] <Cromaglious_> yes ARM pRocessors in mobile phones
[04:53:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, back in the 90's
[04:55:09] <Cromaglious_> ok linuxcnc is running again.. commented out cups loading parport modules
[05:06:09] <t12> ugh i think i'm somehow blowing these positioning modules at servo drive poweron
[05:06:14] <t12> module i just had working has ceased to work
[05:07:06] <zeeshan|2> positoning module?
[05:07:20] <t12> all this mitsu plc stuff
[05:07:44] <t12> the have a plc module that is the communciation interface to their later drives
[05:07:46] <Cromaglious_> in rush?
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[05:07:53] <t12> i'm assuming yeah
[05:07:57] <t12> i can scope the tx still
[05:07:58] * zeeshan|2 kept on blopwing servo drives on power cycle
[05:07:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:08:04] <t12> tx -> drive
[05:08:05] <Cromaglious_> so need to figure out a soft start
[05:08:15] <t12> drive out doesnt move
[05:08:29] <t12> so i'm assuming failure mode is it being pulled down
[05:08:44] <t12> yeah
[05:08:52] <t12> for now i think that just means powering the drive then connecting the cables
[05:09:04] <t12> (comms)
[05:09:53] <t12> also i could wire it correctly and isolate logic vs drive power
[05:10:11] <Cromaglious_> yeah, that sounds better
[05:10:20] <t12> i figured didnt matter much on a small drive with no load
[05:10:23] <t12> apparently maybe it does
[05:10:56] <t12> so next is smt repair attempt of the differential driver
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[05:30:50] <Cromaglious_> I have a induction sensor, which uses 8-36vdc to drive it, now I have to make a circuit to isolate it to get the signal back onto the BOB
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[05:32:24] <Cromaglious_> resistor and photo diode isolater probably
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[05:32:35] <norias> hello
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[05:33:55] <Cromaglious_> hiya norias
[05:34:02] <norias> hey, how are you?
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[05:34:27] <Cromaglious_> pulling out my hair as usual... whatcha upto yourself?
[05:34:37] <norias> hah
[05:34:43] <norias> trying to research post processors
[05:34:50] <norias> for HSMWorks, etc
[05:35:00] <norias> and listening to a webinar for NX CAM
[05:35:10] <Cromaglious_> some file format to g code?
[05:35:19] <norias> ?
[05:35:27] <Cromaglious_> post processor
[05:35:47] <norias> it's part of a CAM system
[05:35:58] <Cromaglious_> I'm watching Computerphile on youtube going on about old crappy computers
[05:36:06] <norias> that makes the gcode for your specific controller
[05:36:19] <norias> i want to make some post processors for the HSMWorks system
[05:36:33] <norias> I just did a quick edit for a customer
[05:36:38] <norias> but i want to learn more
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[05:37:35] <Cromaglious_> ahh generic g code to specific g code
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[05:37:58] <norias> yeah, pretty much
[05:38:33] <Cromaglious_> well commercial software is definately out of my price range..
[05:39:02] <norias> hmm, HSMExpress is free
[05:39:09] <norias> good 2.5D milling CAM
[05:39:33] <Cromaglious_> requires solidworks
[05:39:35] <norias> oh, well, it's not standalone
[05:39:36] <norias> yeah
[05:39:48] <norias> fusion 360 is free under certain circumstances
[05:39:55] <norias> which has the 2.5D cam
[05:40:21] <norias> i think, if you have to pay, it's $45 a month
[05:40:27] <norias> i haven't tried it on Linux yet
[05:40:37] <renesis> fusion 360 was okay
[05:40:47] <renesis> the cloud shit makes it pretty annoying to use
[05:40:52] <norias> i don't mind that
[05:40:58] <norias> i like the price point
[05:41:02] <renesis> yeah i used it despite that
[05:41:07] <renesis> pretty much
[05:41:14] <norias> i signed on during the beta
[05:41:20] <norias> so i got an offer to get 3d cam
[05:41:25] <norias> for the 2.5d price
[05:41:27] <norias> so, i bit
[05:41:50] <renesis> i got it with a student license i think i can do all the 3d cam stuff
[05:42:01] <norias> oh, cool
[05:42:16] <norias> onshape is basically solidworks in the cloud
[05:42:27] <norias> it's free for a certain amount of private models
[05:42:34] <norias> again, haven't tried on linux
[05:43:40] <CaptHindsight> fun stuff having to write postprocessors for NX and Mastercam
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[05:44:08] <CaptHindsight> like belt sanding your nipples only more painful
[05:44:11] <norias> hah
[05:44:14] <norias> that good, eh?
[05:44:31] <norias> what language are the NX ones done with?
[05:44:43] <CaptHindsight> I forget who uses what but they tend to have their own scripting language
[05:45:08] <norias> bummer
[05:45:18] <norias> HSM uses javascript
[05:45:22] <norias> which seems interesting
[05:45:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.endesin.com/nx-technical-articles/introduction-to-post-builder
[05:46:02] <norias> whoa
[05:46:18] <norias> i don't like it
[05:46:40] <norias> i'm assuming posts can be hand edited
[05:46:46] <norias> without this interface
[05:46:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[05:47:03] <zeeshan|2> post builder is really nice
[05:47:09] <zeeshan|2> to customize posts
[05:47:16] <norias> huh
[05:47:18] <CaptHindsight> but they are happy to help for $170/hr
[05:47:19] <zeeshan|2> in nx
[05:47:20] <norias> i'll keep that in mind
[05:47:22] <norias> lol
[05:47:38] <norias> i'm thinking about selling this one company on some consulting work
[05:47:41] <norias> and they use NX
[05:47:48] <norias> hence me trying to learn about it
[05:47:56] <zeeshan|2> norias i like nx cam
[05:48:02] <zeeshan|2> cause its an entire package in 1 software
[05:48:06] <norias> makes sense
[05:48:10] <zeeshan|2> but its a real pain in the ass to use
[05:48:17] <norias> is there a free demo you know of, that i can play with?
[05:48:23] <zeeshan|2> no =/
[05:48:27] <CaptHindsight> i built a custom machine for Apple and they wanted to use NX to generate the G-code
[05:48:37] <zeeshan|2> honestly ive used both nx cam and mastercam
[05:48:44] <zeeshan|2> (integrated in solidworks)
[05:48:49] <zeeshan|2> and hands down, mastercam is 190282109812 x easier to use
[05:48:55] <zeeshan|2> but nx is way more customizable
[05:48:58] <norias> ugh, mastercam for solidworks
[05:49:10] <norias> i tried it and wasn't impressed
[05:49:17] <zeeshan|2> it all depends on what kind of cam work you need to do
[05:49:20] <norias> true
[05:49:21] <CaptHindsight> 190282109812 heh more like 2000000000
[05:49:27] <norias> honestly
[05:49:41] <norias> up until recently i haven't been too in to cam
[05:49:49] <norias> i've used it when
[05:50:00] <norias> 1. i was sick of writing yet another pocket routine
[05:50:11] <norias> (i.e. roughing)
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[05:50:14] <norias> or
[05:50:18] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[05:50:23] <norias> 2. the geometry seemed a total pain to trig out
[05:50:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/DDaVVEx.png
[05:50:33] <zeeshan|2> that bracket for comparison purposes
[05:50:36] <zeeshan|2> literally took me 2 minutes to do
[05:50:43] <zeeshan|2> face, pocket, drill, contour
[05:50:47] <norias> cool
[05:50:53] <norias> yeah, so i used CAM
[05:50:54] <zeeshan|2> but its fairly simple
[05:51:01] <norias> but not... a bunch
[05:51:06] <norias> definitely wasn't a power user
[05:51:15] <norias> more of a "write the code by hand"
[05:51:19] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[05:51:26] <norias> my favorite CAM has always been either notepad
[05:51:27] <norias> or vi
[05:51:37] <zeeshan|2> i respect cam by hand
[05:51:40] <norias> but, i used it more and more
[05:51:45] <norias> and ended up teaching it
[05:52:02] <norias> and with my interest in ...
[05:52:09] <norias> changing how some of this stuff works
[05:52:20] <norias> i guess i'm realizing computers and machining can be a really cool combo
[05:52:22] <CaptHindsight> I hate programming of almost every kind
[05:52:26] <norias> i just hate how everyone does it
[05:52:38] <norias> i hate cnc controllers
[05:52:43] <norias> i hate cam software
[05:52:46] <norias> i'm a hater
[05:52:48] <zeeshan|2> haha
[05:52:56] <zeeshan|2> just try to use the best of both worlds
[05:53:03] <zeeshan|2> dont hate :P
[05:53:12] <norias> so, now i want to try linuxcnc
[05:53:18] <zeeshan|2> you know you'd have hell of a time trying to program a compressor blade
[05:53:20] <norias> so i can make the controller do what i want
[05:53:20] <zeeshan|2> on a 5 axis by hand
[05:53:31] <norias> and post processors
[05:53:37] <norias> so i can make cam do what i want
[05:53:42] <norias> yeah
[05:53:50] <norias> i actually did some 5 axis stuff sorta by hand
[05:53:54] <zeeshan|2> you can learn how to modify the mastercam post processor in 2 days using the online webinars that are on youtube
[05:53:54] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I find myself clicking the mouse more often in NX than in Creo, Catia and SW
[05:53:54] <norias> lots of trig
[05:54:04] <norias> lots of spreadsheets
[05:54:06] <CaptHindsight> usually to get back out of a feature
[05:54:08] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: nx is powerful
[05:54:16] <zeeshan|2> but i hate using it.
[05:54:27] <norias> brb, water
[05:54:31] <zeeshan|2> like here...
[05:54:46] <CaptHindsight> I started customizing the features
[05:54:53] <zeeshan|2> i was officially taught these: solidworks, inventor, nx, solidedge
[05:55:09] <zeeshan|2> and when i say taught i mean used them at work
[05:55:20] <zeeshan|2> and learned pretty much the majority of the shortcuts to be productive
[05:55:26] <zeeshan|2> and couple semesters of school
[05:55:26] <CaptHindsight> got tired of having to exit back out of simple things like Zoom and Pan
[05:55:33] <zeeshan|2> i use solidworks for my own stuff
[05:55:38] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[05:55:48] <zeeshan|2> yea that is frustrating
[05:55:58] <CaptHindsight> I used to, now I'm foring myself to stick with NX
[05:56:12] <CaptHindsight> foring/forcing
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[05:56:22] <zeeshan|2> nx's dyanmic force analysis is pretty nice
[05:56:29] <zeeshan|2> its a neat package
[05:56:46] <zeeshan|2> what version are you using
[05:56:55] <CaptHindsight> I spent 30 minutes trying to get a gear to spin for an animation yesterday
[05:57:41] <CaptHindsight> pick part, pick face, pick vector, pick etc etc...
[05:57:48] <norias> hmm
[05:57:50] <zeeshan|2> dont you find that vector stuff
[05:57:51] <zeeshan|2> annoying?
[05:57:52] <CaptHindsight> still not spinning
[05:57:56] <zeeshan|2> and not intuitive?
[05:58:00] <norias> i had to take drafting classes in my apprenticeship
[05:58:07] <zeeshan|2> drafting by hand?
[05:58:08] <norias> i.e. buy all the right pencils
[05:58:11] <zeeshan|2> hah
[05:58:12] <norias> yeah
[05:58:21] <norias> i still have the squares and stuff
[05:58:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah more annoying than intuitive
[05:58:30] <norias> i liked it
[05:58:49] <norias> the company i worked for then
[05:58:56] <norias> had some of their old die prints
[05:59:00] <norias> framed on the walls
[05:59:04] <norias> like pieces of art
[05:59:15] <CaptHindsight> I glad those 4 years of HS drafting have come in handy :)
[05:59:41] <norias> we went all out
[05:59:44] <norias> did GD&T
[05:59:50] <norias> it was a great time
[05:59:57] <CaptHindsight> they never covered all the shorthand dimensions
[05:59:58] <zeeshan|2> i somehow managed to get out of drafting by hand
[06:00:08] <norias> of course, we were all in surface grinding
[06:00:18] <CaptHindsight> we had to dimension everything
[06:00:19] <norias> so any time not standing in front of a surface grinder
[06:00:23] <norias> seemed like a good time
[06:00:42] <zeeshan|2> but they made us eat ansi y14.5m for an hour 5 times a week!
[06:00:47] <CaptHindsight> I still have graphite in my skin from then :)
[06:00:54] <norias> i have a slide rule!
[06:01:02] <norias> here's my life story:
[06:01:02] <zeeshan|2> you guys are old school
[06:01:03] <zeeshan|2> :)
[06:01:05] <norias> came back from the war
[06:01:08] <norias> married a pretty girl
[06:01:17] <norias> became a machinist
[06:01:22] <CaptHindsight> this was the 70's
[06:01:25] <norias> eventually bought a slide rule
[06:01:34] <norias> i'm officially a 70 year old man
[06:01:40] <norias> in a 35 year old body
[06:01:57] <zeeshan|2> i discovered last year you could find the sin of angles on a slide rule
[06:01:57] <zeeshan|2> haha
[06:02:08] <norias> yeah, cool stuff
[06:02:09] <zeeshan|2> i didnt even know what a slide rule looked like before then
[06:02:18] <norias> you can do a lot with a slide rule
[06:02:26] <norias> i have a 6" pocket one
[06:02:32] <norias> i keep in my briefcase
[06:02:35] <norias> in case i need it
[06:02:37] <CaptHindsight> slide rules were great to break the boredom in most classes
[06:02:45] <norias> has actually come in handy
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[06:03:02] <zeeshan|2> i carry a fx-991 ms
[06:03:04] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[06:03:42] * archivist uses the nearest PC
[06:04:06] <zeeshan|2> i guess what you use in school ends up being a part of you
[06:04:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC18amVhALQ POSTPROCESSOR BUILDING - "Tool Command Language (TCL) - Part 1"
[06:04:18] <zeeshan|2> i honestly get a headache trying to use the calc on the comp
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[06:04:45] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: thats the one i followed
[06:04:51] <zeeshan|2> wait maybe not
[06:04:52] <archivist> I use a spreadsheet for anything involved
[06:05:57] <zeeshan|2> i have a linuxcnc lathe post for nx if interested
[06:06:01] <archivist> and something permanent even php
[06:06:47] <norias> hmm
[06:06:52] <norias> i should make a website
[06:07:00] <norias> that generates HSMWorks post processors
[06:08:14] <norias> one thing that annoys me about CAM generated code
[06:08:22] <norias> is it never does sub routines
[06:08:24] <norias> or loops
[06:08:28] <norias> it just unrolls loops
[06:09:13] <zeeshan|2> haha
[06:09:14] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[06:09:23] <zeeshan|2> i wonder why that is?
[06:09:29] <norias> easy
[06:09:47] <norias> i think it'd be a pain in the ass to generate code with subs and loops
[06:09:52] <norias> but that's how i write by hand
[06:10:04] <norias> and i feel like it's 100x easier to understand
[06:10:19] <norias> so, one of my tricks has been to use CAM to generate one toolpath
[06:10:25] <norias> then copy paste that inside the loop
[06:10:35] <norias> but... i want the CAM to do that!
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[06:11:18] <zeeshan|2> i guess modern machines dont have line limits
[06:11:24] <zeeshan|2> so you could technically run a 300MB g-code
[06:11:27] <zeeshan|2> and its okay
[06:11:28] <zeeshan|2> :P
[06:11:49] <CaptHindsight> yeah the 640k limit was lifted long ago
[06:12:00] <zeeshan|2> but debugging would be much easier with subroutines and loops
[06:12:52] <renesis> it's not as failsafe or compatible
[06:13:12] <norias> hah
[06:13:14] <renesis> CAM generation is usually done with tons of linear paths, a lot of times it wont even do canned drill cycles
[06:13:21] <renesis> and those almost always work
[06:13:24] <norias> someone in a forum said "How now, brown cow?"
[06:13:25] <zeeshan|2> shrug
[06:13:44] <renesis> in coding classes, we would laugh at most generated g-code
[06:13:44] <zeeshan|2> canned cycles are handled pretty well by mastercam! :P
[06:13:49] <renesis> it was connect the dots
[06:13:54] <norias> i think debugging is easier with loops
[06:13:56] <norias> and also
[06:14:02] <norias> it makes errors more obvious sometimes
[06:14:04] <renesis> it can be but loops arent consistent
[06:14:07] <archivist> this is me doing it in php http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[06:14:08] <norias> if that makes sense
[06:14:16] <norias> how are loops not consistent?
[06:14:32] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you're hardcore too
[06:14:33] <renesis> compatibility with cnc platforms
[06:14:33] <zeeshan|2> :P
[06:14:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mastercampost.com/posts.php
[06:14:51] <norias> oh, you mean different controllers implement loops different?
[06:14:53] <zeeshan|2> i see too many dfecimal places
[06:15:01] <renesis> norias: yes exactly
[06:15:08] <CaptHindsight> ~$3500 ea
[06:15:13] <zeeshan|2> lol
[06:15:17] <norias> renesis: i see your point, but that's why we have post processors
[06:15:19] <renesis> like, im not sure the way we did subprograms on a haas would work on linuxcnc
[06:15:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mastercam.com/en-us/Solutions/3rd-Party-Solutions/Post-Processor-Services
[06:15:32] <norias> no, i'm familiar with that problem
[06:15:34] <renesis> anbd im pretty sure linux cnc variable based loops wouldnt go on a haas
[06:15:45] <norias> no, haas hates variables
[06:15:48] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: its so easy to customize! :P
[06:15:55] <norias> but i hate haas, so it's mutual
[06:15:58] <renesis> norias: right but i can see why they wouldnt want to completely rework the backend to process for every machine
[06:16:04] <renesis> when just doing it linear works
[06:16:17] <norias> all i'm saying is implement it in the post
[06:16:26] <norias> you're already writing a post for every controller, anyway
[06:16:37] <zeeshan|2> ^ true
[06:16:43] <renesis> right but mostly its about safety blocks and fixing some details
[06:16:52] <zeeshan|2> wat
[06:16:57] <norias> wat wat?!
[06:17:01] <renesis> in the utt
[06:17:07] <renesis> ^b
[06:17:09] <zeeshan|2> you havent seen how crappy mastercam was for posting linuxcnc lathe code
[06:17:19] <zeeshan|2> needed major mod
[06:17:23] <zeeshan|2> the mill post needed less
[06:17:23] <renesis> im not surprised
[06:17:35] <renesis> i use enough different cam generators to not trip
[06:17:43] <renesis> i run the code, it errors out, i fix the code, done
[06:17:52] <archivist> zeeshan|2, forget the decimals at your peril :)
[06:17:55] <renesis> usually i just takes find/replaces
[06:18:17] <zeeshan|2> kinda defeats the purpose of cam
[06:18:19] <zeeshan|2> to find and replace
[06:18:19] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[06:18:28] <renesis> takes a few seconds
[06:18:35] <renesis> like pcb-gcode drill files always fuckup
[06:18:49] <renesis> fuck if i want to learn how it does post processing when it takes 5 seconds to edit the code
[06:19:45] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/oakville-halton-region/hold-down-clamps/1053752940?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[06:19:47] <zeeshan|2> wtf @ 150$
[06:19:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[06:20:20] <norias> shie
[06:20:23] <norias> shite
[06:20:33] <norias> i just found the API manual for HSMWorks post processing
[06:21:22] <renesis> if it was a consistent issue with hsm or mastercam id prob look into it, id trust their post processor to be less crackish
[06:21:23] <norias> now i know what i'm doing with the rest of my night
[06:21:26] <norias> sleeping
[06:21:36] <renesis> thats a bad habit
[06:22:24] <norias> but i'm soooo good at it
[06:24:19] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I want 6 axis to automate bevel gears fully, or get better at maffs
[06:24:28] <zeeshan|2> http://mech.mcmaster.ca/~adspence/Teaching/MechEng4Z032013/Machining/MST_NX7_Manual.pdf
[06:24:34] <zeeshan|2> pretty good manual to get started with nx
[06:25:10] <zeeshan|2> archivist: one day i will make a differential gear set!
[06:25:20] <zeeshan|2> from some processes i've seen
[06:25:26] <zeeshan|2> you dont really need to grind them after heat treatment
[06:25:30] <zeeshan|2> you can machine them with carbide.
[06:25:37] <zeeshan|2> as long as your machine is rigid enough
[06:26:14] <zeeshan|2> maffs = ?
[06:26:25] <archivist> a typo
[06:26:41] <zeeshan|2> ,maths?
[06:26:56] <archivist> a deliberate tyop
[06:27:00] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[06:28:06] <zeeshan|2> http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/asia/koreas-cyber-hacking/index.html
[06:28:07] <zeeshan|2> libtool
[06:28:09] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
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[06:29:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150422-new-limitless-multi-tool-machine-combines-a-3d-printer-with-a-cnc-machine.html
[06:30:42] <CaptHindsight> mo more pesky metal machine frames
[06:32:44] <CaptHindsight> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/602/398/fe4b110b6a84f12aed11f1128c5ff2fa_original.jpg?v=1428884800&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bd0e5ea062fef201fcf854431d9b644d I can smell the quality from here
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[06:34:03] <archivist> limited by its spastic frame
[06:34:35] <CaptHindsight> _methods: ^^ to start your day
[06:43:24] <archivist> zeeshan|2, a joke(price) for you http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilger-and-watts-square-block-level-/161681406920
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[06:49:59] <Deejay> moin
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[07:08:07] <Cromaglious_> morning
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[09:15:00] <XXCoder> heys
[09:15:11] <XXCoder> finally good-ish fday at work
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[11:14:20] <norias> waking up is hard to do...
[11:14:26] <norias> they say that waking up is
[11:14:29] <norias> hard to do
[11:14:32] <norias> now i know
[11:14:38] <norias> i know that it's true
[11:14:45] <norias> don't say, just get out of bed
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[11:15:00] <norias> instead of waking up
[11:15:11] <norias> i wish i were laying down again
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[11:49:37] <jthornton> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.102 port 22: Connection refused
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[12:08:29] <_methods> is firewall on?\
[12:08:46] <jthornton> it's all on a LAN
[12:09:02] <_methods> well i've run into boxes with ssh disabled by default
[12:09:22] <jthornton> ping 192.168.0.102 works
[12:09:24] <_methods> and did you set up ssh keys
[12:09:45] <_methods> you don't have to but just wondering
[12:09:54] <_methods> if this is for backuppc/rsync
[12:09:56] <jthornton> yes, maybe... keys as in more than one computer
[12:10:00] <_methods> i think you'll need to set that up
[12:10:09] <jthornton> yea backuppc
[12:10:37] <jthornton> I've tried to work through a couple of different tutorials and always get to the same step and can't connect
[12:10:42] <_methods> so that ssh connect was that error from you manually tryin to connect
[12:11:24] <jthornton> and when I try and send the key using scp
[12:13:12] <jthornton> I guess I need to back down to ssh and get that working
[12:13:32] <_methods> yeah i'd make sure you can manually ssh into the box
[12:13:50] <_methods> then manually connect using the ssh keys
[12:14:31] <_methods> i think i had to set the keys up with no password
[12:14:35] <_methods> if i remember right
[12:17:41] <jthornton> and some googling A firewall somewhere along the way is blocking or not forwarding port 22
[12:17:54] <_methods> this is possible
[12:18:11] <_methods> that's why i always try and make sure i can manually ssh into the box first
[12:19:12] <_methods> once you have that working then you can start to troubleshoot automating
[12:40:40] <JT-Shop> it might be my D-Link 8 port router as everything goes through that including the two 4 port routers
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[12:43:15] <_methods> well can you ssh into any computer on your lan?
[12:43:35] <_methods> i can't imagine the router would be blockin ssh unless you told it to
[12:44:07] <JT-Shop> I need to try from here to the plasma as that connection doesn't go through the DR632
[12:44:27] <_methods> you have 3 routers on the same network?
[12:44:35] <JT-Shop> yea
[12:44:42] <_methods> interesting
[12:44:53] <_methods> only one is doing dhcp though correct?
[12:45:13] <JT-Shop> LOL, I don't have a clue
[12:45:17] <_methods> oh wow
[12:45:22] * archivist hates dhcp
[12:45:46] <_methods> well if all 3 of them are set up as dhcp servers you could have all kinds of networking problems
[12:45:56] * archivist agrees
[12:46:06] <JT-Shop> from the manual you are connecting the D-Link router to another router to use as a wireless access point and/or switch, you will have to do the following before
[12:46:06] <JT-Shop> connecting the router to your network:
[12:46:06] <JT-Shop> �
[12:46:06] <JT-Shop> Disable UPnP
[12:46:06] <JT-Shop> �
[12:46:08] <JT-Shop> �
[12:46:10] <JT-Shop> Disable DHCP
[12:46:14] <JT-Shop> �
[12:46:16] <JT-Shop> Change the LAN IP address to an available address on your network. The LAN ports on the router cannot accept a DHCP address
[12:46:19] <JT-Shop> from your other router.
[12:46:21] <_methods> yeah
[12:46:25] <_methods> this is correct
[12:47:17] <_methods> so 2 of your routers would need to have the dhcp and upnp disabled if they are acting as AP/switch
[12:47:45] <JT-Shop> yep
[12:48:22] <_methods> well the first thing i would do is ssh from one computer to another to make sure ssh is passing correctly
[12:48:26] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[12:48:35] <_methods> then i would add ssh keys to a computer and connect with the ssh keys
[12:48:55] <_methods> after that i would make sure that is functioning on all computers on the network
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[14:30:47] <JT-Shop> finally found my SW serial number in the old registry files... what fun to try and view them
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[14:50:50] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/mAmKGLQ.jpg
[14:53:00] <_methods> clothes hangar?
[14:53:29] <_methods> tie rack?
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[15:53:57] <zeeshan|2> was someone in here saying vermont brand taps are garbage?
[15:54:38] <roycroft> i think those are the ones i kept breaking
[15:54:47] <roycroft> wait, no
[15:54:52] <roycroft> it was irwin that i was breaking
[15:54:55] <zeeshan|2> ah
[15:55:16] <zeeshan|2> i found some in the size i need
[15:55:19] <roycroft> i tapped 6 4-40 holes yesterday without breaking a single tap, btw
[15:55:21] <zeeshan|2> and they are relativbely cheap for a apack of 10
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[15:55:26] <roycroft> they were blind holes, 1/2" deep
[15:55:41] <roycroft> i'd probably have broken 3 irwin taps
[15:57:14] <roycroft> i wish eugene fastener carried 4-40x1/4" ss shcs
[15:57:25] <roycroft> the shortest they carry are 3/8", which is way longer than i need
[15:58:14] <zeeshan|2> :/
[15:58:22] <zeeshan|2> special order them in!
[15:58:42] <roycroft> i suspect i'd have broken fewer taps had i been able to use the shorter screws
[15:58:46] <CaptHindsight> I need to find a distributor of holes preferably tapped
[15:58:48] <roycroft> too late now
[15:59:00] <roycroft> i have 8 more holes to drill/tap, and then i'm done with this project
[15:59:04] <CaptHindsight> I'm tired of all this machining nonsense
[15:59:05] <Rab> roycroft, tried forming taps?
[15:59:16] <roycroft> i'm hand tapping
[15:59:20] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I've got a hole in me pocket.
[15:59:28] <roycroft> i'm not sure that form taps would have helped in this situation
[15:59:34] <roycroft> changing brands definitely helped
[15:59:50] <zeeshan|2> thread forming taps are pretty garbage
[15:59:57] <zeeshan|2> ive been trying to avoid em now
[16:00:13] <zeeshan|2> i need a universal tap
[16:00:14] <Rab> roycroft, I've found much better performance and survival rate hand-tapping 4-40 with roll taps.
[16:00:24] <roycroft> really?
[16:00:28] <zeeshan|2> Rab: until you try it in stainless
[16:00:30] <roycroft> i'd think they would be more prone to breakage
[16:00:42] <Rab> roycroft, why? The cross section is much thicker.
[16:00:49] <roycroft> i have universal taps
[16:00:52] <zeeshan|2> the cutting forces are larger too.
[16:00:56] <roycroft> they're called "boring bars"
[16:01:00] <zeeshan|2> haha roycroft
[16:01:05] <Rab> Strictly speaking, there is no cutting force.
[16:01:22] <roycroft> they require a lot more force though
[16:01:22] <zeeshan|2> okay, strictly speaking there is a much larger plastic deformation force
[16:01:38] <zeeshan|2> theyre only good in soft stuff like aluminum and steel
[16:01:40] <zeeshan|2> mild
[16:01:55] <roycroft> fortunately i'm working with mild steel
[16:02:03] <zeeshan|2> garbage in bronze, garbage in stainles
[16:02:09] <roycroft> i don't think i would even attempt to tap 4-40 holes in ss
[16:02:14] <roycroft> well perhaps in 303
[16:02:18] <Rab> I could see them being problematic in work-hardening metals like stainless.
[16:02:23] <roycroft> but certainly not in 304/316
[16:03:28] <zeeshan|2> i was so pissed the other day when i broke one in bronze
[16:03:34] <zeeshan|2> i had to drill it out
[16:03:52] <zeeshan|2> everything else had been done on the part too :\
[16:04:07] <roycroft> i goobered some jb weld over some messy welds yesterday on my brew stand
[16:04:17] <roycroft> today i'll sand the stand down and then it will be ready for paint
[16:04:19] <Rab> zeeshan|2, you were using prescribed hole dia?
[16:04:25] <zeeshan|2> yes
[16:04:28] <roycroft> this 14+ month project should be done by week's end
[16:04:50] <roycroft> until i start making modifications :)
[16:04:52] <zeeshan|2> you must be excited
[16:05:01] <roycroft> it's a mix of excitement and relief
[16:05:09] <roycroft> and a wee bit of apprehension
[16:05:19] <roycroft> it's time to brew my beer for the oregon country fair like right now
[16:05:28] <roycroft> and i have to let the paint cure for 2 weeks before i can use the system
[16:05:35] <roycroft> so timing is going to be really tight on that
[16:05:51] <roycroft> i might decide to make a beer that will be ready sooner
[16:06:19] <roycroft> i almost brewed the country fair beer last weekend, and then finish the stand, but i was so close to being finished i decided to forge ahead
[16:06:41] <roycroft> plus, every time i brew on that stand while it's unpainted it gets more rust on it
[16:06:49] <roycroft> which means more prep work for praint
[16:06:50] <roycroft> paint
[16:07:36] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[16:08:01] <roycroft> of course, as soon as i'm finished with this project i will start fabricating a milling/weighing stand for my grain
[16:08:09] <roycroft> that should be a fairly quick project though
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[18:00:57] <_methods> hah cool just scored a quantya evo1 electric motorcycle for $990
[18:04:11] <Tom_itx> don't break your neck on it
[18:04:26] <_methods> hehe i have a real dirtbike for that
[18:04:30] <_methods> this is just for ridin to work
[18:05:02] <Tom_itx> ya ya, you'll have it all tricked out in a month
[18:05:07] <_methods> heheh
[18:05:20] <_methods> so much for the air compressor i was supposed to spend that money on
[18:05:33] <Tom_itx> it would have been more useful
[18:05:37] <_methods> yeah
[18:05:58] <Tom_itx> i just assume i have compressed air in the garage now...
[18:06:06] <Tom_itx> not sure how i'd do without it
[18:06:10] <_methods> yeah
[18:06:21] <_methods> i'm gonna sell my 4wheeler and dirt bike
[18:06:33] <_methods> that will pay for compressor and bandsaw
[18:07:05] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, get that 2tb drive formatted yet? or is it still working...
[18:07:14] <Tom_itx> only downside to large drives
[18:12:38] <JT-Shop> I didn't have to format it, I installed windoze on it. Now I'm loading back software and just got SW activated again
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[18:42:51] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you try to reinstall windows on the old hdd with a fix instead of new install?
[18:44:02] <JT-Shop> yes, it just sat there and did nothing
[18:44:23] <Tom_itx> :(
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[18:45:26] <JT-Shop> yea, I had to get my SW activation reset so I could run it
[18:45:42] <JT-Shop> now I need to find and install all my software lol
[18:45:52] <Tom_itx> always a pita
[18:46:18] * furrywolf won't use any software that requires activation
[18:47:19] <JT-Shop> you will if you want high end CAD software... unless your using pirate software
[18:47:44] <XXCoder> she owns "using pirate software"?
[18:47:52] <furrywolf> I'd rather use open-source software.
[18:48:54] <furrywolf> if the software were reasonably priced, I might be tempted to consider it, but I haven't seen any reasonably-priced software that wasn't substantially worse than free software.
[18:50:14] <Lowridah> photoshop
[18:50:17] <Lowridah> anything office-related
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[18:50:55] <JT-Shop> we must not be talking about 3-d cad software but something else
[18:51:14] <Tom_itx> true
[18:51:15] <furrywolf> photoshop sucks. it's like gimp, but slower, crashier, and every time you want to do something new it costs more money.
[18:51:31] <Tom_itx> i haven't seen "good" cad software that's free yet
[18:52:38] <furrywolf> nor have I, but I haven't looked hard enough.
[18:53:02] <XXCoder> I probably will end up using inkscape then svg->nc
[18:53:26] <XXCoder> inkscape is pretty good but not designed to be cad
[18:54:15] <furrywolf> solidworks is especially overpriced. they're smoking some serious crack if they think I'm going to work 600 hours to buy a piece of software.
[18:54:38] <_methods> you're not really their target market
[18:55:04] <XXCoder> student version isnt too bad, but you're not supposed to sell stuff that was result of models made there.
[18:56:43] <_methods> the closest i've seen to free and good is the inventor startup free license
[18:56:58] <_methods> startup is 1 year free
[18:57:03] <_methods> student is 3 years free
[18:57:12] <XXCoder> solvespace has amazing ponental but that's it.
[18:57:14] <_methods> and you don't need a .edu
[18:57:41] <_methods> i just said i was a student with a gmail acct and i have 3 years of inventor free
[18:57:57] <furrywolf> freecad seemed to have great potential, but is currently too buggy to use.
[18:58:01] <XXCoder> just make new email account each 3 years
[18:58:05] <_methods> yep
[18:58:07] <XXCoder> yeah fur
[18:59:00] <XXCoder> solvespace last update 2 months ago
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[18:59:34] <furrywolf> I really wish I had time+energy to spend coding... I have many of the skills needed to write and/or patch cad software...
[18:59:47] * JT-Shop needs a way to carry more water on the mountain bike without wearing the camel back or a back pack
[19:00:11] <furrywolf> I've written software for raytracing, including some CSG stuff, which should translate well to cad software coding skills.
[19:00:12] <XXCoder> fab a bicycle frame water holder
[19:00:19] <furrywolf> JT-Shop: a water bottle?
[19:00:46] <JT-Shop> yea, I have one and only one place to carry it on the 29er
[19:00:56] <XXCoder> freecad last update day ago
[19:01:21] <furrywolf> hang a gallon jug off the back of the seat?
[19:01:25] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: yeah bet you can make something that attaches to bicycle frame and can hold few stuff
[19:01:32] <Tom_itx> acad had some free cad cam for small business students etc but it required 64bit os
[19:01:40] <furrywolf> stick a canteen (of the flat, round, wide variety) in the frame?
[19:01:55] <JT-Shop> the water bottle in in the frame
[19:02:07] <JT-Shop> not a whole lot of room in the frame
[19:02:10] <Tom_itx> mine has 2 bottle holders
[19:02:22] <JT-Shop> I have a bag under the seat but it is small and full
[19:02:24] <Tom_itx> one on the front strut and the other on the bottom one
[19:02:28] <furrywolf> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518f4LzR3hL._SY300_.jpg that style.
[19:02:53] <XXCoder> oh freecad now 0.15. I has 0.13
[19:02:55] <JT-Shop> not much good unless you have a way to fasten it to the bike
[19:03:04] <furrywolf> heh, last time I did any serious cycling, I think we were carrying ~10gals of water.
[19:03:30] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: that is pretty easy part, get pipe fasteners from pumbling
[19:03:48] <XXCoder> make a frame with few holders and build out from that
[19:04:07] <furrywolf> of course, we were six people, and the cycle weighed ~2500lbs, so 10gals was easy....
[19:04:10] <XXCoder> try find lightest materials possible
[19:04:12] <Tom_itx> mine's pretty old but it had bottle brackets mounted
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[19:04:52] <Tom_itx> you need more water than that ride it into the swamp
[19:05:08] <XXCoder> hmm get water filters
[19:05:14] <XXCoder> so you just need couple bottles
[19:05:14] <furrywolf> (see http://kineticgrandchampionship.com/ if you're wondering why you'd be pedalling something weighing 2500lbs)
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[19:05:22] <JT-Shop> XXCoder, the frame is not round
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[19:05:37] <XXCoder> ah fancy one eh
[19:05:39] <DaViruz> fill the frame!
[19:05:52] <Tom_itx> i don't recall if mine is round or not but it's aluminum
[19:06:15] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: http://graywolfsurvival.com/3151/prepper-gear-review-sawyer-mini-water-filtration-system/
[19:06:24] <Rab> The frame is already a pipe bomb.
[19:06:42] <JT-Shop> https://www.giant-bicycles.com/_generated/_generated_us/bikes/models/images/2000/2014/Talon_29er_1_v1.jpg
[19:07:06] <XXCoder> you has 2 round pipes, that is enough to build out of
[19:07:56] <JT-Shop> the top one is not round
[19:08:02] <furrywolf> we're not racing this year... we cut one of our machines completely apart after the race last year, with plans to build a new and improved one from the parts, but real-life has been in the way. our other machine we started doing some very major upgrades on, and again, real-life has been preventing getting it back to working condition in time.
[19:08:14] <JT-Shop> see the two screws on the front tube the water bottle goes there
[19:08:22] <Tom_itx> yep
[19:08:35] <Tom_itx> iirc mine is also on the seat post
[19:08:45] <Tom_itx> mounted frontward
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[19:09:02] <XXCoder> thats too bad fur
[19:10:16] <furrywolf> so one of them is nothing but a pile of parts, and the other still has four wheels, but no drivetrain, half the suspension needs to be rebuilt, etc...
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[19:10:58] <Rab> JT-Shop, considered a seat post rack? http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Mega-Post-Haste-Bicycle/dp/B000ACAMF6
[19:10:58] <furrywolf> it has four wheels and six pairs of cranks, but nothing connecting the two together. :)
[19:11:32] <JT-Shop> the actual bike http://ibin.co/1zLu7jxaP85S
[19:11:50] <Rab> I had one for years on my MTB. Cheap, lightweight, stays out of the way, bag & light hang underneath, can hold a couple of gallons easily. Esp in a flat container.
[19:12:00] <JT-Shop> Rab, didn't know they existed, thanks for the link
[19:12:22] <Tom_itx> mine's just dirty from sitting :)
[19:12:27] <Rab> JT-Shop, sure. It's a whole class of product, there are many brands and types. That's just the particular one I had.
[19:13:34] <JT-Shop> yea, if I can hold one extra water bottle for rides up to 12-15 miles that would be better than wearing the camel back and sweating
[19:14:21] <furrywolf> our previous design changed direction twice with hypoid gears, and for various reasons had to gear up then back down, causing excessive drag, so we re-designed to eliminate all that... but re-building takes more time than re-designing. :)
[19:14:31] <JT-Shop> will that clear the tire with the low seat post?
[19:14:32] <Rab> Plus shields against roostertail, which looks like a possible issue with your bicycle use case. ;)
[19:15:11] <JT-Shop> yea, there are several (many) places where you have to cross wet weather streams on the south side
[19:15:32] <Rab> JT-Shop, should hang off the seat stem as well as the post.
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[19:16:15] <Rab> The only thing I don't like is that it cantilevers weight over the back tire, but a heavy backpack does that too.
[19:17:16] <JT-Shop> in my case it would just be a water bottle bungeed on
[19:17:53] <Tom_L> JT-Shop,http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/bike.jpg
[19:17:57] <JT-Shop> next time I go to the medium city I'll have to see what the bike shop has
[19:17:59] <Tom_L> large pic.. sry
[19:18:09] <Tom_L> still installing software on this pc
[19:18:29] <Tom_L> you could make a clamp and mount one to the seat post
[19:18:40] <JT-Shop> how large, I've been downloading updates and I'm running short of bandwidth
[19:18:46] <Tom_L> 3g
[19:18:54] <JT-Shop> ouch
[19:18:55] <Tom_L> 3M
[19:18:56] <furrywolf> hose clamps work remarkably well for attaching random things to bicycle tubes
[19:18:56] <Tom_L> sry
[19:18:58] <Tom_L> :)
[19:19:21] <Tom_L> 3g would be a bit overkill..
[19:19:24] * JT-Shop would not use a hose clamp on the Talon...
[19:19:25] <XXCoder> down shaft works too
[19:19:48] <XXCoder> and more flexable mounts for non-round sides
[19:20:00] <Tom_L> there's a catch at the bottom that holds the holder in place and the upper is held by the clamp
[19:20:09] <JT-Shop> I have plenty to think about now... as you saw the bike is in the van and ready to get dirty
[19:20:16] <Rab> There's also such a thing as a clamp-on water bottle cage, many google results.
[19:20:27] <furrywolf> eh, hose clamps work on everything. :P
[19:20:52] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, what's that clamp on the seat post for?
[19:21:01] <JT-Shop> I have a clamp on pouch thing on the handle bar but it's too small for a water bottle
[19:21:14] <JT-Shop> quick adjust seat
[19:21:20] <Tom_L> no, the bottom one
[19:21:23] <Rab> Looks like front derailleur.
[19:21:29] <JT-Shop> yea
[19:21:37] <Tom_L> i have the quick release on wheels and seat as well
[19:22:35] <JT-Shop> gotta run to town... chat with you guys later
[19:22:36] <furrywolf> re that water filter review above, I want reviews that include actual test results, not "let's talk about how great this thing is because the marketing sheet says it is!"...
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[19:24:44] <furrywolf> how many gallons did it actually filter before it required excessive effort? what did a qualified independent water testing lab have to say about the resulting water at several points during the filter life? etc.
[19:24:58] <XXCoder> guy said days but then no specific
[19:25:15] <XXCoder> guy might drink 0.1 gallon a day after all
[19:26:20] <furrywolf> and I have a distrust of anything claiming to remove absolutely everything from your water but needing only a squeeze pouch to feed it... my reverse osmosis filter actually does remove most everything, and it takes a 80PSI electric pump to force a drip through it.
[19:26:35] <XXCoder> it dint claim to. it dont filter some chemicals
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[19:37:37] <furrywolf> one of these days I want to pick up a hand-pump RO unit... but they're always stupidly expensive. (they also require stupidly large mounts of pumping)
[19:38:30] <furrywolf> being able to turn seawater into drinking water is something most other filters can't do, however.
[19:39:01] <XXCoder> yeah thats tough one
[19:39:21] <XXCoder> I wonder if powerful conferge would be able to seperate
[19:39:30] <furrywolf> conferge?
[19:39:42] <XXCoder> cant spell that word, it spin very fast
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[19:40:12] <furrywolf> the closest I can come up to what you must mean is "centrifuge", and no, it can't separate chemicals like that.
[19:40:23] <XXCoder> yeah doubted it
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[19:40:37] <t12> man i'm pissed
[19:40:44] <t12> dude at work decided to cancel an alarm on a peice of equipment
[19:40:46] <furrywolf> and I thought my spelling was bad. :)
[19:40:48] <t12> by cutting the lead to the alarm
[19:40:51] <furrywolf> lol
[19:40:53] <t12> i walked in on him doing it
[19:40:58] <t12> and was like dont cut the alarm
[19:41:03] <t12> which he had already done
[19:41:05] <t12> and said nothing
[19:41:37] <XXCoder> crazy
[19:41:40] <XXCoder> what was alarm for?
[19:43:28] <t12> in thise case something of no importance
[19:43:31] <t12> what about the next case
[19:44:11] <furrywolf> suggest to his employer that he's a fucking idiot?
[19:44:30] <t12> i should suggest to his face that hes a fucking idiot
[19:45:01] <t12> equipment is a liconic automation incubator
[19:48:55] <furrywolf> of the bacteria or the chicken variety?
[19:49:35] <t12> bacteria
[19:50:02] <XXCoder> heh no matter how unimportant it is, cutting wire is just stupid
[19:50:21] <XXCoder> music blaring in own car? cut wires on it
[19:50:35] <XXCoder> oh what is "off button" you speak of? lol
[19:51:07] <furrywolf> I lent my car to someone, and he cut the speaker wires to my doors and yanked them out.
[19:51:13] <furrywolf> he needed wire.
[19:51:15] * furrywolf hates people
[19:51:27] <XXCoder> what the fuck?
[19:51:42] <roycroft> you shouldn't have left that engelbert humperdinck 8-track in the player with the volume turned all the way up
[19:52:38] <furrywolf> the fuel pump stopped running. rather than properly troubleshooting the problem (a loose plug), he decided to try hotwiring it to the battery. then I went from having one problem to fix (a loose plug) to having three problems to fix.
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[19:59:16] <_methods> oh sweet jesus thank god comcast gave up on the time warner merger
[20:02:50] <XXCoder> comcast time warner mcdonalds
[20:02:54] <XXCoder> heh
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[20:05:44] <_methods> i might actually buy some beer to celebrate that
[20:06:03] <XXCoder> yeah buy some comcast mcdonald beer
[20:06:14] <_methods> you mean budweiser
[20:06:28] <XXCoder> oh youre right. comcast budweiser beer
[20:06:39] <_methods> hehe
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[20:09:27] <XXCoder> whats weirdest merger you can think of?
[20:11:10] <furrywolf> The NSA and the EFF.
[20:11:31] <XXCoder> lol
[20:11:50] <andypugh> Durex Vatican
[20:12:09] <XXCoder> lol
[20:12:57] <Rab> http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/condoms-filled-with-cocaine-intercepted-on-their-way-to-vatican/
[20:13:05] <_methods> wow
[20:13:20] <_methods> those crazy cardinals
[20:14:02] <XXCoder> guess they gonna find some other way to get protectioon
[20:14:19] <furrywolf> StarKist and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
[20:14:25] <_methods> condoms, drugs, priests...........i'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere
[20:19:22] <XXCoder> yeah
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[20:20:13] <XXCoder> dewalt-mcdonalds
[20:23:30] <furrywolf> that's not that unlikely.
[20:25:05] <furrywolf> dewalt is owned by black and decker, which owns everything from tools to alarm systems to storage to health care equipment to restuarant equipment...
[20:25:25] <XXCoder> oh
[20:25:36] <furrywolf> adding an actual restaurant to it wouldn't be too odd. they already manufacture everything needed to build a restaurant, including the entire building.
[20:26:04] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[20:26:06] <furrywolf> they even make the heart monitor that should be present in fast-food places. :P
[20:26:11] <XXCoder> lol
[20:26:59] <furrywolf> b&d is really fucking huge.
[20:27:21] <XXCoder> wonder if there will be "everything" company
[20:27:24] <XXCoder> from phones to food
[20:28:32] <furrywolf> heh, actually, checking the figures, b&d is large enough they could consider BUYING mcdonalds, not just merging.
[20:28:38] <furrywolf> b&d has double the revenue
[20:29:02] <XXCoder> they probably would have hard time buying subway
[20:29:32] <furrywolf> that gives you an idea of just how bloated b&d is these days... double the revenue of mcdonalds.
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[20:30:12] <XXCoder> theres more subways than mcdonalds and starbucks... combined
[20:32:16] <furrywolf> hrmm. I think there's one of them here, crammed in a shopping center, and it's always empty. Why get a crap sandwich when you could get a good one?
[20:32:35] <Rab> XXCoder, cite?
[20:32:41] <furrywolf> even Safeway makes better sandwiches
[20:33:03] <XXCoder> subway is funny. its not as popular as mcdonalds yet they are everywhere. larger mirgins I guess/.
[20:33:18] <furrywolf> according to Forbes, " It is the largest single-restaurant chain globally with 43,000 locations in 107 countries.". I don't know if that makes it larger than the two combined, but it apparantly is the largest.
[20:34:08] <Rab> Starbucks = 21,366 (2014), McDonald's = ~35,000
[20:34:09] <XXCoder> profit wise mcdonalds is first
[20:34:28] <XXCoder> 2011 though
[20:34:36] <XXCoder> http://nrn.com/us-top-100/top-100-chains-us-sales
[20:35:00] <Rab> Subway reportedly surpassed McD in terms of stores in 2010, but I can't find a current figure.
[20:35:00] <furrywolf> I've eaten at subway a couple of times, but never been impressed. usually it's only when I'm stuck driving somewhere and need a quick bite.
[20:35:21] <XXCoder> yeah I suspect its true for everyone
[20:35:26] <XXCoder> nobodys fan of subway
[20:35:33] <XXCoder> yet it succeeds reardless
[20:35:42] <Rab> Rather have Subway than the typical alternatives.
[20:35:54] <roycroft> subway is better than the greasy burger places
[20:36:24] <roycroft> but that's kind of like saying that stinky poop is not as bad as really stinky poop
[20:36:27] <roycroft> it's still poop
[20:36:37] <malcom2073> To each their own, I like greasy burger places
[20:37:06] <Rab> Although big slabs of white bread are known to be less and less healthy, at least you can get a bunch of fresh (ie uncooked) vegetables.
[20:37:16] <malcom2073> Taste in foodis like shit. Everyone has it, but nobody wants someone else to explain why theirs is better :P
[20:37:40] <roycroft> i prefer healthful food
[20:37:55] <Rab> Opinions are like arseholes, best kept hidden.
[20:37:58] <roycroft> and that means preparing most meals at home, and eating out rarely
[20:38:53] <malcom2073> I read through a thing of people complaining about chipolte recently, and it amazed me that there are a significant number of people that really can't hold the idea in their head that someone else can love what they hate
[20:39:11] <furrywolf> eh, I find cooking a healthy meal at home to cost almost as much as letting a restaurant cook one for you
[20:39:13] <roycroft> i've only been to chipotle once
[20:39:24] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I got no prblem with that. people vary a lot,
[20:39:26] <roycroft> it wasn't bad
[20:39:33] <roycroft> it isn't really better than any other fast food place
[20:39:39] <Rab> Chipotle = underwear blood
[20:39:41] <roycroft> although it's hyped as better
[20:39:53] <roycroft> well, it's better than places like taco bell
[20:40:00] <roycroft> but it's still fast food
[20:40:02] <XXCoder> I miss rice junkie
[20:40:14] <XXCoder> amazing food, only 2 locations and hours of drive away
[20:40:24] * furrywolf doesn't like fast food
[20:40:31] <roycroft> it's not a matter of cost, furrywolf
[20:40:38] <roycroft> it's a matter of what i prefer to put in my body
[20:40:47] <malcom2073> I like taco bell too heh
[20:42:00] <XXCoder> portals. LOL http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/4/4/394044.gif?v=1
[20:42:29] <furrywolf> how do you get healthier food at home than at a restaurant? and I mean a real, local restaurant, not a chain or fast-food place.
[20:42:56] <roycroft> by carefully choosing and preparing my ingredients?
[20:43:16] <Rab> Wash your hands, chase off cucarachas, don't jizz in it.
[20:43:25] <XXCoder> that is pretty easy.. with money
[20:43:40] <XXCoder> good ingredients, decent and healthy cooking
[20:43:46] <XXCoder> aka dont deep fry your salad
[20:43:50] <furrywolf> I usually eat healthier when I go out... at home I don't tend to have fresh veggies and such, as they don't keep well.
[20:44:13] <roycroft> you can get fried butter at the iowa state fair
[20:44:34] <XXCoder> later
[20:44:54] * roycroft gardens, and that helps
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[20:45:32] <furrywolf> I either need to buy only one veggie, which I get sick of too quickly, or small quantities of a variety, as large quantities will spoil before I can eat them, but small quantities cost more and I'm usually too lazy to want to prepare anything with more than a few ingredients.
[20:45:39] <furrywolf> but if I go out, I can get whatever I want, without those problems.
[20:46:54] <furrywolf> and then there's all the wondefully tastey (and healthy) spices the indian place puts in things... :)
[20:47:24] <roycroft> if you have good, healthful local restaurants and you like them and can afford to go out, that's great
[20:47:30] <roycroft> personally, i love to cook
[20:47:37] <roycroft> it's like therapy after a long day at work
[20:47:46] <furrywolf> affording them is the part I have a problem with. :(
[20:47:55] <furrywolf> and I hate cooking. hate, hate, hate. heh.
[20:48:15] <furrywolf> I usually eat at home, and it's usually something that can be prepared in the microwave and/or eaten raw. lol
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[20:55:00] <Tom_itx> you don't mind eating though?
[20:55:05] * unfy looks across the river. yeah, them iowans are weird (re: fried butter)
[20:55:39] * Tom_itx didn't realize he was in the food channel
[20:56:51] * roycroft gets out a whole chicken, a big meat cleaver, and a bottle of red wine
[20:57:16] * roycroft puts on an apron, pours a big glass of wine, guzzles it, pours another, guzzles it, pours a third, and does his best julia child imitation
[20:57:58] <cradek> I'm positive that's how she recorded those shows
[20:58:00] <malcom2073> Cast Iron Chef Millmerica
[21:00:41] <roycroft> the japanese iron chef is by far the best
[21:00:53] <cradek> nobody is better than julia
[21:01:02] <andypugh> cradek: Have you ever seen Keith Floyd? He makes no bones about drinking lots of wine when cooking.
[21:01:08] <roycroft> she was one of a kind, for sure
[21:01:30] <roycroft> although jamie oliver is pretty entertaining, but in a completely different way
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[21:02:10] <furrywolf> "I like cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food!"
[21:02:23] <roycroft> the naked chef was a brilliant cooking series
[21:05:05] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdjzDLtiCRc
[21:05:56] * furrywolf demonstrates by getting a store-bought salad bowl out of the fridge
[21:06:49] <_methods> mind of a chef is pretty good too if you've never seen it
[21:07:01] <_methods> its on netflix i believe
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[21:09:31] <furrywolf> how do they make an organic salad keep a month, anyway? just fill it with inert gas, or irradiate it?
[21:11:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:13:15] <Lowridah> cyanide is organic, keeps a very long time
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[21:16:55] <roycroft> king tut is also organic, and he's kept for a very long time
[21:17:02] <furrywolf> lol
[21:17:11] <furrywolf> no, the egyptians used lots of preservatives.
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[21:19:59] <Lowridah> but none of them were GMO
[21:20:13] <Lowridah> so i'm sure he must have lived very very long and been extremely healthy
[21:21:06] * furrywolf isn't sure logic works like that
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[22:07:29] <Computer_barf> ok I appear to have gotten my debian system configured to my likeing
[22:07:51] <furrywolf> no system is ever complete.
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[22:08:05] <Computer_barf> oh i mean before I start configuring linuxcnc
[22:08:24] <Computer_barf> i just mean basic stuff
[22:09:06] * furrywolf is being overly nonproductive today
[22:09:43] <furrywolf> organizing my music collection... I had everything nicely renamed and sorted, then my drive crashed... and my backup was from shortly before renaming and sorting all of it. bleh.
[22:09:49] <Computer_barf> any of you have a mesa card that runs on ethernet?
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[22:10:01] <Computer_barf> lol furrywolf
[22:10:10] <Computer_barf> yeah thats how it goes
[22:10:13] <furrywolf> not I. I want one, but pcw won't send me one. He seems to believe I should send him money first.
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[22:10:57] <Computer_barf> well I got the debian rt-prempt linuxcnc image installed
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[22:14:22] <Computer_barf> it takes a 5v input, the mesa card, wondering if I can just use the 5v lines from my pc power supply
[22:14:57] <furrywolf> check the manual. I think many of them can regulate the 5v supply from the 24v field supply... but I could be mistaken.
[22:15:44] <furrywolf> ok... I don't get it. http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/axent-wear-cat-ear-headphones-raise-over-770000-in-under-a-week-13-10-2014/ doesn't external speakers kinda defeat the whole point of headphones?
[22:18:14] <Computer_barf> i imagine they can switch modes and can be put around the neck
[22:22:20] * furrywolf is tempted to get a pair just to have an excuse to wear cat ears
[22:22:32] * furrywolf bets this is, in fact, why most people buy them
[22:25:15] <unfy> ugh
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[22:25:47] <Computer_barf> I just assumed you were already in a wolf costume
[22:26:15] <furrywolf> no comment
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[22:28:02] <Computer_barf> i wonder if the mesa ethernet can be hooked to a router
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[22:33:43] <andypugh> Yes. But it might be better not to. But it has been seen to work.
[22:34:20] <Computer_barf> my mobo only has one ethernet is why
[22:34:40] <t12> potential issues would be
[22:34:41] <Computer_barf> for the time being ill probably be swapping them back and forth
[22:34:43] <t12> packet to packet timing
[22:34:46] <t12> potential packet reordering
[22:35:12] <Computer_barf> I can probably live with the swapping routine
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[22:36:43] <furrywolf> I'd suggest adding a second ethernet card.
[22:37:02] <furrywolf> Ethernet has a random backoff algorithm for collisions if I remember right, which might be very bad for realtime use...
[22:37:20] <Computer_barf> im currently wiring the drivers to the stepper next ill wire the 7i76e to the drivers
[22:37:42] * furrywolf needs a 7i76e
[22:37:47] <Computer_barf> ill switch the plug till I can pick up a usb ethernet adapter
[22:37:59] <Computer_barf> ill put the internet on that one
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[22:38:59] <furrywolf> yes. don't put the mesa on the usb one. :)
[22:39:27] <Computer_barf> put the mesa on the usb ethernet adapter, got it.
[22:39:42] <Computer_barf> jk
[22:40:25] <Computer_barf> so it sounds like ill have to load firmware onto the mesa
[22:41:58] <furrywolf> even better, put the mesa on a wifi bridge so you can move the control system around the shop while still controlling the machine.
[22:42:05] <furrywolf> preferably with a usb wifi adapter
[22:42:10] <Computer_barf> i wonder if there is anyone out there with a g0704 that might have recommendations on what settings/ firmware might be apt
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[22:42:57] <Computer_barf> lol I imagine I won't be moving it very far from the controller
[22:43:38] <Computer_barf> with the drivers in the controller enclosure and all
[22:44:44] <Computer_barf> but neat idea for something more important than my little mill
[22:47:50] <furrywolf> ... it was not a serious suggestion. wifi seems like a bad idea for realtime machine control. :)
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[22:51:28] <Computer_barf> oh i got that twisted in my head
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[22:56:05] <PCW> The 7I76E can run on 8-32VDC
[22:56:07] <Computer_barf> what do you guys think of accupro endmills
[22:56:41] <Computer_barf> the diagram on the manual says 5v...
[22:57:00] <Computer_barf> although i didn't find the specifics beyond what it said on the picture
[22:57:24] <Computer_barf> my power supply is 48 v so ill have to run it off the computer power supply anyway
[22:57:49] <Computer_barf> or are we talking power over ethernet
[22:58:02] <furrywolf> PCW: so, if I get an ethernet mesa board, I can plug it into a wifi bridge, then use the wifi on my laptop with power management to control my dangerous spinny things from anywhere in the room, right? :)
[22:58:02] * furrywolf hides
[22:59:15] <Computer_barf> its ok I'm going to mount the mill above where I sleep at night
[22:59:28] <Computer_barf> ill just reach up and turn it off
[22:59:30] <Computer_barf> no problem
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[23:10:23] <Tom_itx> https://irc-source.com/networks/?pg=1
[23:10:25] <Tom_itx> fwiw
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[23:24:10] <PCW> furrywolf most likely you would just get watchdog timeouts so and following errors, not like to be terribly dangerous but not very useful either
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[23:27:14] <MarkusBec> furrywolf: its like a usb windows realtime extention for simulink ;)
[23:31:44] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/mlist.txt if anyone needs it, my completely undocumented, likely buggy, very single-purpose mp3 renaming script just did about 500 albums with my only needing to fix one bug.
[23:34:08] <furrywolf> oh, and bash stores -0, but doesn't consider it less than 0. have I mentioned how much I hate bash? lol
[23:36:59] <furrywolf> it fixes almost all varieties of idiocy found in downloaded mp3 filenames... everything from using punctuation instead of spaces, to track numbers in stupid places (it'll even find them at the end of the filename instead of the start), to removing group/etc tags, to fuzzy matching filenames with no track numbers to an album track list...
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[23:43:05] <furrywolf> it's annoyingly slow because it forks to use a lot of standard utilities for things that could be done with bash builtins if I wasn't fucking rusty with them.
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[23:48:24] <SpeedEvil> I tend to cheat, and use awk for everything
[23:48:38] <furrywolf> you might like some of the regex abuse in that script. :)
[23:49:41] <furrywolf> it also has unfinished support for munging filenames to fit on tiny mp3 player displays, such as removing punctuation and spacing, then vowels if it's still too long, etc.
[23:57:08] <furrywolf> my van's head unit only shows the first 11 chars, so if you give it nicely named files where every one has the band first, you can't see what the song is... so it shuffles parts around so the first 10 chars tells you the title. :)
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[23:58:09] <furrywolf> it also copies the files in order, because my player doesn't sort filenames in any way, and simply plays them by the directory entry order...