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[00:02:05] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/dbddb0f9baaa57d0cca8f06d2fcf5f03
[00:02:08] <zeeshan> about to machine this handle for someone
[00:02:13] <zeeshan> its got a tapped hole in the end
[00:02:22] <zeeshan> im thinking of making it a 2 step process, drill and tap the hole
[00:02:31] <zeeshan> then machine the contour
[00:02:36] <zeeshan> cause i wont be able to hold it after
[00:02:41] <zeeshan> unless i make a soft jaw for the lathe
[00:02:43] <zeeshan> which i dont want to :P
[00:02:59] <norias> sounds right to me
[00:03:16] <zeeshan> since i gotta make like 10 of them
[00:03:26] <zeeshan> think it might be easier to just drill and tap on the mill? :D
[00:03:34] <norias> hmm, no
[00:03:39] <norias> not in my opinion
[00:03:47] <zeeshan> cause ill have to manually tap for the lathe =/
[00:03:49] <zeeshan> *in
[00:03:52] <norias> eh.
[00:03:56] <norias> but it's ten parts
[00:04:59] * zeeshan lazy
[00:05:16] <zeeshan> i really wish just about now that i had a morse taper attachment
[00:05:17] <norias> lol
[00:05:20] <zeeshan> for the quick change tool post
[00:13:23] <zeeshan> if i have a font
[00:13:30] <zeeshan> is there a program out there that can convert it to g-code
[00:13:36] <zeeshan> for engraving
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[00:16:30] <norias> uh, hmm
[00:16:35] <norias> good question.
[00:19:28] <norias> blah @ CNC controllers
[00:19:34] <norias> and their stupid interfaces.
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[00:26:18] <zeeshan> haha
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[00:37:09] <norias> trying to figure out how to make web sites these days
[00:37:13] <norias> last time i did it
[00:37:20] <norias> it was all about the Perl
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[05:12:51] <Cromaglious_> sitting here making plans for a 32"x24"x12" wood table using 608zz bearings and angle iron rails
[05:13:59] <Cromaglious_> on top of plans for some oilers for my lathe. using 1" borosilicate (pyrex) test tubes
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[05:46:05] <archivist> "angle iron rails" you dont want a smooth running machine?
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[06:44:23] <zeeshan> hi
[06:46:14] <archivist_herron> up late again!
[06:46:23] <zeeshan> yes been working on the bronze handles
[06:46:31] <zeeshan> they are being a pain
[06:46:48] <zeeshan> they are like 1.3" diameter , 5.5" stickout from chuck
[06:46:53] <zeeshan> i get chatter
[06:47:06] <zeeshan> i feel like mastercam is outputting retarded g-code
[06:47:23] <archivist_herron> use a centre
[06:47:27] <zeeshan> i cant
[06:47:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WzDOPqK.png
[06:48:01] <zeeshan> the outer 2 guys
[06:49:24] <archivist_herron> are your tools sharp enough and the right geometry for the metal
[06:49:34] <zeeshan> i noticed a chip
[06:49:35] <zeeshan> on the insert
[06:49:38] <zeeshan> ill try tomorrow again
[06:49:54] <archivist_herron> and are you spinning fast enough
[06:50:05] <zeeshan> im doing 400 sfm
[06:51:44] <zeeshan> found the issue
[06:51:48] <zeeshan> it is mastercam
[06:52:00] <zeeshan> its going from .008 ipr
[06:52:05] <zeeshan> to .003 when its plunging a bit
[06:52:06] <zeeshan> ..
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[07:01:56] <Jymmm> Has anyone seen an all steel SLIM auto center punch?
[07:05:58] <zeeshan> no
[07:06:03] <zeeshan> but today i drilled out a tap
[07:06:06] <zeeshan> with a carbide drill
[07:06:11] <zeeshan> worked out suprisngly well!
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[07:07:50] <Deejay> moin
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[08:10:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, don't plunge at .008"
[08:11:11] <zeeshan> why
[08:11:15] <zeeshan> its more stable now
[08:11:17] <Tom_itx> it's common to half the speed on ramp or plunge
[08:11:27] <zeeshan> yes but i think its sticking out too much
[08:11:27] <Tom_itx> especially ramp
[08:11:29] <zeeshan> so it flexes
[08:11:34] <zeeshan> and then releases
[08:11:39] <zeeshan> under more pressure it should keep flexed
[08:11:42] <Tom_itx> so shorten it
[08:11:42] <zeeshan> rather than going back and forth
[08:11:45] <zeeshan> i cant
[08:11:49] <zeeshan> i would have, if i could
[08:12:12] <zeeshan> its okay, only 2 more to go
[08:12:16] <zeeshan> will do em tomorrow :)
[08:12:33] <zeeshan> they turned out pretty sexy
[08:12:35] <zeeshan> i like bronze
[08:12:37] <Tom_itx> tomorrow is already here
[08:12:46] <zeeshan> tonight :)
[08:12:47] <Tom_itx> why?
[08:12:54] <zeeshan> the color of it
[08:12:54] <zeeshan> its nice
[08:12:58] <Tom_itx> yeah
[08:13:05] <zeeshan> its not orange like copper
[08:13:09] <zeeshan> its like goldenish orange
[08:13:10] <zeeshan> i like
[08:13:10] <Tom_itx> copperish yellow
[08:13:13] <zeeshan> yes
[08:13:22] <Tom_itx> brass is more yellow
[08:13:26] <zeeshan> and chips break pretty much at any feed rate
[08:13:58] <Tom_itx> wired up my 2nd asrock board last night
[08:14:05] <zeeshan> for what
[08:14:09] <Tom_itx> the mill
[08:14:15] <zeeshan> nice :D
[08:14:22] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna keep win7 on the other one i think
[08:14:25] <zeeshan> hey tom have you done engraving
[08:14:27] <zeeshan> with your mill
[08:14:32] <Tom_itx> one mini atx and one itx
[08:14:38] <Tom_itx> a little
[08:14:44] <zeeshan> wait your mill is doing to have 2 motherboards?
[08:14:48] <zeeshan> doing =going
[08:14:55] <Tom_itx> no
[08:16:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant1.jpg
[08:16:32] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/engrave1.jpg
[08:16:41] <zeeshan> wow thats pretty good
[08:16:51] <zeeshan> what kind of tool bit did you use
[08:17:09] <Tom_itx> carbide half round engraving bit
[08:17:26] <zeeshan> http://www.endmill.com/images/tools/BLANK_HR_CONICAL.jpg
[08:17:28] <zeeshan> like this?
[08:18:19] <zeeshan> im gonna have to try to shop for some tomorrow
[08:21:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=halfround+engraving+bit&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC2.A0.H0.Xengraving+bits.TRS0&_nkw=engraving+bits&_sacat=0
[08:21:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10X-Carbide-PCB-board-0-1mm-60-Degree-Engraving-Bits-CNC-Router-Tool-V-shape-/400714167501?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4c6cf4cd
[08:21:57] <zeeshan> i need them tomorrow :(
[08:22:04] <Tom_itx> iirc i got 60 deg
[08:22:05] <zeeshan> id like to get this job done for tomorrow
[08:22:08] <Tom_itx> i forget for sure
[08:22:10] <zeeshan> i got another one getting dropped off tommo
[08:22:32] <zeeshan> my spot drill that i was planning to use
[08:22:33] <zeeshan> is too big
[08:22:49] <Tom_itx> don't use a spot drill, they turn out like crap
[08:23:06] <zeeshan> so since these tools are tiny
[08:23:14] <zeeshan> think ill be okay at 3150 rpm
[08:23:20] <zeeshan> i know a lot of these tools want to run faster
[08:24:18] <Tom_itx> i ran mine around 3k rpm
[08:24:26] <Tom_itx> since that's all the spindle would do
[08:24:34] <zeeshan> okay thats reassuring!
[08:24:34] <zeeshan> good!
[08:24:57] <Tom_itx> just think of it as a .040" diameter tool when programming
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[08:25:19] <Tom_itx> i'd have to check the depth i ran but that sounds about right on the deeper part
[08:25:20] <zeeshan> lol
[08:25:24] <zeeshan> that means it needs to run at 20000 rpm
[08:25:29] <zeeshan> to hit 200 sfm in aluminum
[08:25:44] <Tom_itx> i think the other was around .025 or so
[08:25:53] <zeeshan> 1 thou chip load?
[08:25:55] <Tom_itx> no, you just run slow feed
[08:26:03] <Tom_itx> i'd have to look
[08:26:33] <zeeshan> i have some HSS rounds
[08:26:36] <Tom_itx> i ran it pretty slow or you'll chip the tip off
[08:26:36] <zeeshan> 1/4" and 1/8"
[08:26:44] <zeeshan> from my understanding
[08:26:48] <zeeshan> you just need to grind a flat
[08:26:57] <Tom_itx> it has a tiny flat
[08:27:16] <zeeshan> i dont know if my grinding skills will output a taper correctly :P
[08:27:17] <Tom_itx> maybe .001-.002"
[08:27:23] <zeeshan> lol thats tiny
[08:27:25] <Tom_itx> no, i tried
[08:27:35] <Tom_itx> i bought them and things went alot better
[08:28:11] <zeeshan> could a carbide burr work?
[08:28:15] <zeeshan> im just trying to keep options open
[08:28:20] <zeeshan> just incase i cant find any tomorrow
[08:28:30] <Tom_itx> you want a nice tip
[08:29:36] <Tom_itx> S3000 F5 but i don't think i ran it at 5 ipm
[08:29:57] <Tom_itx> i'm sure i overwrode that
[08:30:41] <zeeshan> 3000 @ 5ipm is around .002 chip load
[08:30:41] <zeeshan> that sounds right
[08:30:41] <zeeshan> i imagine .001 - 0.002 being okay
[08:31:31] <zeeshan> okay its bed time
[08:31:36] <zeeshan> cant keep eyes open :-)
[08:31:50] <Tom_itx> z -.010 is what the cad says
[08:31:50] <zeeshan> need to get like 3 hours of sleep before class
[08:31:54] <zeeshan> ah
[08:31:57] <Tom_itx> i think i went deeper though
[08:31:59] <zeeshan> i need to aim for .005
[08:32:00] <zeeshan> er
[08:32:02] <zeeshan> 0.05
[08:32:02] <Tom_itx> test it first
[08:32:10] <zeeshan> yea ill try it on scrap aluminum
[08:32:23] <zeeshan> cya!
[08:32:26] <Tom_itx> but my table wasn't perfectly flat either and i didn't want thin text on part of it
[08:32:44] <Tom_itx> you'll find a depth that looks best
[08:32:53] <Tom_itx> i like the deeper part on mine best
[08:33:04] <Tom_itx> then i went over it with black paint to make it stand out
[08:52:42] <Cromaglious_> hmm was just thinking to grind a decent single flute.. chuck it up in a 4 jaw and mount a angle grinder off the compound on a lathe set the round a bit off center and grind the taper. grind the flat after that with the less ground side as the rightside of the flat, then you end up with a clockwise cutting bit
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[09:21:48] <XXCoder> heys
[09:22:32] <XXCoder> zeeshan: "handes" rigggght lol
[09:22:35] <XXCoder> JK
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[14:02:18] <bensbenz> Hi, anyone here that could answer a few questions for a linuxcnc newbie?
[14:09:24] <SpeedEvil> Maybe
[14:09:53] <bensbenz> Hi, I am currently running a lathe with Mach3.
[14:10:02] <archivist_herron> ew
[14:10:18] <bensbenz> I have found too many bugs in spindle control so I want to switch
[14:10:24] <bensbenz> yes right it sucks
[14:10:38] <bensbenz> I would like a setup that acutally works with CSS
[14:11:25] <bensbenz> I booted up from the USB installed, got most things working ok, but it seems linuxCNC needs and encoder on the spindle?
[14:11:52] <bensbenz> I just have a simple disk and an index pulse board.
[14:12:12] <SpeedEvil> you get one pulse per rev?
[14:12:34] <bensbenz> Yes sir
[14:13:53] <bensbenz> I was able to figure out adding a tach to the screen, but the RPM just all over the place.
[14:14:02] <pcw_home> 1 PPR will never be very good
[14:15:40] <bensbenz> I was able to thread no problems before and get a constant reading, but seems like everyone says for linuxcnc you an encoder with at least 2 inputs
[14:16:21] <bensbenz> Thats fine, I just have no idea where to start, and if I would also need some other interface board, or if its something that I just wire directly to my BOB>
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[14:28:59] <pcw_home> if you have good speed control 1 PPR might be OK but you are entirely dependent on the speed control accuracy between pulses
[14:30:15] <SpeedEvil> bensbenz: how is the speed control done?
[14:30:23] <zeeshan> wow not a single place
[14:30:25] <zeeshan> carries engraving bits
[14:30:25] <pcw_home> so especially if you have variable loading and imperfect speed control 1PPR is not good
[14:30:37] <zeeshan> i guess no one eengraves?!
[14:30:38] <zeeshan> (locally)
[14:30:56] <bensbenz> Ok, I think I could build something like this:
http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=66095
[14:31:08] <zeeshan> bensbenz: what kind of lathe?
[14:31:41] <SpeedEvil> bensbenz: basically - yes - DIY encoders can be quite simple.
[14:31:43] <bensbenz> its a grizzly 10x22 g0602
[14:31:50] <SpeedEvil> bensbenz: Do you have any gear attached to the main shaft?
[14:32:01] <bensbenz> no its all pulleys
[14:32:12] <zeeshan> i have a 10x36, similar to it
[14:32:15] <zeeshan> i made a hub for mine
[14:32:21] <zeeshan> and attached the timing gear to it
[14:32:30] <ssi> morn
[14:32:36] <SpeedEvil> bensbenz: toothed pulleys?
[14:32:37] <zeeshan> hi
[14:32:50] <bensbenz> I wish, no they a vbelts
[14:33:17] <SpeedEvil> (suggestion was to place metal sensors at the cogs offset to form a sensor)
[14:33:28] <SpeedEvil> any gear of any sort attached to the pulley will work
[14:34:02] <bensbenz> Ok, I only use one of the grooves on the pulley now because of the VFD
[14:35:07] <bensbenz> I guess I could machine off part of the pulley to make room, or just make a disk, I have a cnc mill so it wouldnt be too hard
[14:36:25] <bensbenz> If I used opto sensors, would I just hook them up to the BOB directly?
[14:36:53] <zeeshan> depends on the sensor
[14:36:56] <bensbenz> I have a index pulse board from cnc4pc now
[14:37:02] <zeeshan> ithats what i use
[14:37:11] <zeeshan> those you could connect em directly to the bob
[14:37:11] <bensbenz> do you use more than one?
[14:37:15] <zeeshan> but they're overpriced :P
[14:37:19] <zeeshan> yea, 2 of them
[14:37:45] <bensbenz> ok, so I could get another
[14:38:14] <bensbenz> I live very close to automationtechnology so I could just go pick one up there, I think they carry most of cnc4pc's stuff
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[14:38:40] <bensbenz> so basically, get another one of those and make a new disk with more slots?
[14:38:49] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe/controller.html
[14:39:19] <bensbenz> oh cool, is that one yours?
[14:39:26] <zeeshan> yes
[14:40:18] <bensbenz> how many slots does your disk have?
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[14:42:35] <zeeshan> 70 i think
[14:43:38] <bensbenz> Cool, I think I will give that a try. Seems like the quickest way to sort my problem. I assume your threading and doing CSS no problems?
[14:43:55] <zeeshan> yes all you need is 2 sensors for that
[14:44:06] <bensbenz> Oh, is one slot bigger than the rest?
[14:44:09] <zeeshan> yes
[14:44:13] <zeeshan> you need one index slot
[14:44:18] <zeeshan> one sensor that picks it up
[14:44:33] <zeeshan> and then another sensor that picks up 69+1 slot
[14:44:39] <zeeshan> 1 being the index slot
[14:45:02] <ssi> here's mine
[14:45:03] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/205204_655375525742_5631970_n.jpg?oh=47ac27df8c9f340f8ce7a6d3ca508ade&oe=55A4F321&__gda__=1440475871_bf1a33075ecea292a0a73501d951edb7
[14:45:06] <bensbenz> So the one sensor is set so that it only sees the 1 larger slot
[14:45:10] <zeeshan> yea
[14:45:23] <zeeshan> ssi youre hardcore
[14:45:24] <zeeshan> is that your lathe
[14:45:27] <ssi> yes
[14:45:28] <zeeshan> why do you have full quadrature!
[14:45:29] <zeeshan> :P
[14:45:35] <ssi> cause I'm a fuckin baws
[14:45:38] <bensbenz> lol
[14:45:38] <zeeshan> lol
[14:46:02] <zeeshan> you can rigid tap on the lathe! :D
[14:46:06] <ssi> I can indeed
[14:46:14] <zeeshan> dude i blew up a 3/8-16 tap yesterday
[14:46:15] <ssi> both lathes rigid tap just fine
[14:46:17] <bensbenz> my lathe doesnt have the balls for that
[14:46:28] <zeeshan> i made full recovery
[14:46:34] <zeeshan> drilled it out!
[14:46:42] <ssi> hah nice
[14:46:43] <ssi> hate that
[14:46:47] <zeeshan> carbide ate through it
[14:46:48] <zeeshan> slowly
[14:46:55] <zeeshan> using a carbide dril bit
[14:47:14] <_methods> until you break a carbide tap lol
[14:47:30] <tiwake> oh yeah
[14:47:41] <_methods> edm time
[14:47:41] <bensbenz> ssi, are you using some sort of board to connect the sensors to before they are connected to the PC?
[14:47:41] <_methods> lol
[14:47:43] <tiwake> who uses a carbide tap?
[14:47:48] <_methods> i use them
[14:48:02] <tiwake> don't think I've ever talked to anyone who uses them
[14:48:02] <ssi> bensbenz: yeah I run them through some schmidt triggers to clean up the edges, and then into mesa inputs
[14:48:17] <_methods> coolant thru carbide taps
[14:48:18] <tiwake> _methods: use them on what?
[14:48:23] <_methods> whatever
[14:48:27] <_methods> depends on the job
[14:48:29] <bensbenz> ah ok, i dont have the mesa card
[14:48:47] <bensbenz> i cant rigid tap with this lathe anyways
[14:48:50] <_methods> mainly high production stainless
[14:49:16] <tiwake> hmm
[14:49:52] <tiwake> I don't have any machines that rigid tap
[14:50:03] <_methods> hehe i got a pile of "dead" ones in my toolbox i take from work
[14:50:10] <_methods> i won't use them in a real job
[14:50:16] <_methods> but they are fine for using at my house
[14:50:28] <_methods> exocarb vx taps
[14:50:36] <zeeshan> hey guys help me find a local supplier
[14:50:39] <zeeshan> that will carry engraving bits
[14:50:55] <zeeshan> one place carries only 6 flute 1/4" shank bits for wood
[14:50:58] <zeeshan> but its carbide
[14:51:26] <tiwake> why would you not want carbide engraver?
[14:51:31] <_methods> ssi: i guess my boss is never going to quote your part
[14:51:37] <_methods> i dont' know wtf he's doing
[14:51:52] <ssi> lol
[14:52:56] <_methods> kinda pissin me off it's a good job
[14:56:30] <bensbenz> well guys, I was on the fence about converting but now I have a plan. thanks for the help!
[14:56:45] <_methods> right on
[14:56:53] <bensbenz> I am sure I will be back on bugging you with more questions, lol
[14:57:13] <bensbenz> Havent used IRC in like 10 years.
[14:57:14] <tiwake> why not stay?
[14:57:18] <_methods> haha
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[14:57:31] <bensbenz> I can, not running mIRC, does that still exist?
[14:57:39] <tiwake> ha yes
[14:57:43] <_methods> i believe so
[14:57:45] <tiwake> I like hexchat myself
[14:57:46] <bensbenz> just running the web based one
[14:57:49] <zeeshan> i use kvirc
[14:57:57] <_methods> irssi
[14:58:09] <zeeshan> whats with you console irc'ers
[14:58:10] <zeeshan> haha
[14:58:15] <bensbenz> lol mirc brings me back to the team fortress clan days
[14:58:18] <_methods> irc like a man
[14:58:24] <zeeshan> baws
[14:58:29] <_methods> you gui pussies
[14:58:34] <zeeshan> lol
[14:58:40] <tiwake> but I like clicking on shiny things!
[14:58:42] <zeeshan> technically you can run linuxcnc off console
[14:58:51] <zeeshan> make a console itnerface for it
[14:58:54] <zeeshan> so you can ssh
[14:59:25] <bensbenz> what distro you guys running linuxcnc on?
[14:59:31] <_methods> debian
[14:59:37] <zeeshan> one machina is running ubuntu
[14:59:39] <zeeshan> other is deb
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[14:59:47] <_methods> yeah i got one on ubuntu too
[15:00:01] <bensbenz> I actually had a problem with the bootable usb install, after a reboot no X
[15:00:10] <_methods> were you on hdmi monitor?
[15:00:22] <_methods> i had the same problem with an hdmi connection after install
[15:00:24] <bensbenz> or rather just a blank desktop
[15:00:39] <bensbenz> no its an old core2duo pc running VGA
[15:00:44] <_methods> ah
[15:01:02] <bensbenz> go the wireless card working automatically which was nice
[15:01:09] <_methods> well it wouldn't be linux if you didn't have to do some reading
[15:01:24] <_methods> it helps keep the dumb people away
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[15:01:31] <bensbenz> lol
[15:01:47] <bensbenz> yeah but I am so used to the MS world, my day job is IT
[15:02:07] <thesaint444> hi guys, quick question - faster download source for linux cnc than via the website? thanks..
[15:02:15] <tiwake> that sounds horrible
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[15:02:47] <bensbenz> its acutally not bad, I am not help desk or anything, that would be horrible
[15:03:08] <ssi> zeeshan: you use gui irc client? newb
[15:03:23] <zeeshan> haha
[15:03:31] <zeeshan> i like my tabs
[15:03:33] <ssi> http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/03/op-ed-i-sexually-identify-as-an-a-10-thunderbolt/
[15:03:37] <ssi> I have tabs
[15:03:41] <ssi> they're just in my mind
[15:03:46] <zeeshan> lol
[15:03:58] <tiwake> using an IRC bouncer too
[15:04:11] <tiwake> on my home server
[15:04:29] <ssi> I don't use a bouncer, I just have a permanent screen session on one of my servers
[15:04:38] <_methods> heh i just use a DO droplet
[15:04:43] <tiwake> enh
[15:04:51] <tiwake> I log in from a bunch of different places
[15:04:54] <_methods> if anyone hax0rs my box i just reinstall
[15:04:58] <tiwake> so an IRC bouncer is nice
[15:05:03] <_methods> spin up a new m
[15:05:04] <_methods> vm
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[15:05:33] <ssi> zeeshan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjQtYEV1Ts
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[15:06:32] <tiwake> have ZNC installed on my headless debian minimal server
[15:06:51] <tiwake> http://tiwake.com/img_0063_small.jpg
[15:11:09] <bensbenz> Hey does anyone know if a c41 board works with linux CNC? The way it works now is spindle is cw if a pin is active low, ccw if its not, and spindle on if theres pwm going to it.
[15:11:47] <bensbenz> instead of a relay on two separate pins.
[15:12:12] <zeeshan> BEAST
[15:12:19] <zeeshan> whos this dude
[15:12:40] <zeeshan> that plane looks bad ass
[15:12:52] <zeeshan> its going to be SO nice to fly!!
[15:13:41] <zeeshan> is that a radial engine
[15:14:51] <tiwake> piston engines
[15:15:19] <tiwake> so last century
[15:16:44] <ssi> zeeshan: that's BJ
[15:16:45] <malcom2073> tiwake: What mobo is that?
[15:16:47] <ssi> and no, it's not a radial
[15:16:49] <ssi> it's a flat 4
[15:17:00] <zeeshan> well if his only complaint is
[15:17:02] <zeeshan> no foot pedal
[15:17:05] <zeeshan> er foot rest
[15:17:09] <zeeshan> it must be bad ass :-)
[15:17:21] <bensbenz> you like badass planes, this guy is my customer:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/07/world-war-ii-fighter-raised-from-lake-michigan/
[15:17:27] <zeeshan> tell him foot rest only adds weight
[15:17:29] <tiwake> malcom2073: its a supermicro board with an intel D510... I don't remember the model off the top
[15:17:33] <ssi> zeeshan: he built the fuselage
[15:17:41] <zeeshan> ah
[15:17:44] <malcom2073> ah cool, good stuff
[15:17:56] <_methods> heh i have that same mobo i use for my pfsense router
[15:18:05] <_methods> good little board
[15:18:06] <bensbenz> he has a hanger full of them like this:
http://www.warbirddepot.com/aircraft_fighters_p51-greenhill-2.asp
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[15:18:17] <_methods> oh noes it's PetefromTn_
[15:18:18] <tiwake> I'm looking to upgrade it with something more capable
[15:18:30] <PetefromTn_> run fer yer lives!
[15:18:34] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_!~IceChat9@75.136.60.251:
[15:18:35] <zeeshan> !
[15:18:38] <tiwake> like the yet to be released AMD A1100
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[15:19:51] <tiwake> partly cause I want 10G networking in my house :3
[15:20:10] <tiwake> and boot all my desktop computers over the network
[15:20:15] <_methods> oh new star wars trailer
[15:20:20] <zeeshan> looks good
[15:20:26] <zeeshan> chewyyyyyyyyy
[15:20:34] <tiwake> _methods: link?
[15:20:41] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs
[15:21:31] <PetefromTn_> It's gonna be AMAZING!!
[15:21:40] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait..
[15:21:46] <_methods> han solo
[15:23:34] <zeeshan> this teachings goes everything against my natural instinct
[15:23:49] <zeeshan> its better to take a full depth of cut
[15:24:12] <zeeshan> vs multiple axial depth of cuts + large radial depth of cut
[15:24:15] <zeeshan> ??!?!??
[15:24:19] <zeeshan> (for tool life)
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[15:26:19] <zeeshan> i dont think that came out right. one axial depth of cut(.25" ie) + 4 adial cuts (.25" each to get a total of 1") vs 2 axial depth of cuts (.125 each to get .25" total) + 2 radial cuts (.5" each to get a total of 1")
[15:26:49] <PetefromTn_> Damn almost burnt my damn Ham and cheese sammich!!
[15:27:24] <PetefromTn_> coulda been a disaster..
[15:30:21] <ssi> zeeshan: sry, boss'd
[15:30:40] <ssi> zeeshan: he was bitching because there's lexan in the floor over the center cross tube where you'd normally put your feet to get in and out
[15:30:54] <ssi> I just step on the front seat tube, then hold the cabanes and shoot my feet out in front and slide down the back
[15:30:57] <ssi> it's not too bad
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[15:32:43] <zeeshan> i love how the plane looks :-)
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[15:33:23] <ssi> it looks amazing :D
[15:33:26] <ssi> I'm soooo thrilled
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[15:42:00] <_methods> http://www.frys.com/product/8119235?site=72premail041715
[15:42:04] <_methods> there's a $50 off coupon
[15:42:08] <_methods> making that thing $199
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[15:50:29] <archivist> zeeshan, depends... see insert data for the material, sandvik also quote life in hours of contact
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[15:59:51] <bensbenz> anyone know if a standard fanuc turning post works with linuxcnc?
[16:00:47] <archivist> bensbenz, probably a good starting point
[16:01:20] <bensbenz> Thanks, anyone use HSMWorks?
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[16:08:32] <ssi> _methods: I ended up breaking down and buying one of the pfsense hardware routers
[16:08:37] <ssi> and it's really really nice, but it was too much money :)
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[16:15:32] <_methods> yeah i just use an old computer or whatever
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[16:17:27] <bensbenz> I have 5 vms running pfsense at the house on an old dell server with 3 extra nics. I had a comcast outage and they guy came out the house and was like wtf is this... haha
[16:17:30] <ssi> I just bought a parachute :P
[16:18:01] <ssi> _methods: I used to just use an old computer, and I had it running for like six years, and then the power went out and it wouldn't come back up cause the hdd had died god knows how long ago :P
[16:18:16] <_methods> hahah
[16:18:19] <_methods> yeah that happens
[16:18:26] <_methods> i had one with 3 years uptime
[16:22:20] <_methods> what kind of chute did you get?
[16:22:25] <ssi> a softie
[16:22:30] <ssi> emergency chute, backpack style
[16:22:44] <ssi> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=999413
[16:23:05] <_methods> $900 isn't bad
[16:23:11] <ssi> I paid $800 shipped
[16:24:08] <_methods> even better
[16:24:45] <ssi> that C9 canopy is ideal for my fat ass
[16:25:20] <_methods> just make sure your leg straps are tight
[16:25:31] <ssi> reading some forum posts about the canopy, and tests on it showed it was good to 450lb at 180kt, and 370lb at 300kt
[16:25:45] <ssi> yeah I've never jumped
[16:25:47] <ssi> I need to go do that
[16:25:53] <ssi> have a buddy that's an instructor
[16:26:10] <_methods> you don't want to get anything trapped between your strap and your leg when you pop your canopy lol
[16:26:14] <_methods> it's painful
[16:26:26] <ssi> you mean like your balls? :'(
[16:26:31] <_methods> yes those
[16:26:32] <ssi> hahaha
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[16:26:42] <_methods> you get to vomit all the way down lol
[16:26:57] <ssi> dude if I ever have to use this thing I may be vomiting all the way down anyway
[16:27:08] <_methods> hahah
[16:28:16] <_methods> yeah you might want to go jump once or twice
[16:28:22] <_methods> it's fun
[16:28:31] <_methods> you probably get free rides too lol
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[16:29:07] <ssi> heh probably not
[16:29:14] <ssi> they have a twatter they jump from, and I'm sure nobody rides free :)
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[16:29:59] <_methods> yeah
[16:30:10] <_methods> i always wanted to do a balloon jump
[16:30:15] <_methods> i heard they are a blast
[16:30:27] <ssi> haha
[16:30:39] <_methods> like base jumping
[16:30:45] <_methods> no plane or chopper noise
[16:31:13] <ssi> yeah that would be cool
[16:31:22] <ssi> similarly, one day I want to go get my glider rating
[16:32:21] <_methods> i need to get my pilots license
[16:32:58] <ssi> I'll sell you the plane to do it in!
[16:33:02] <_methods> hahah
[16:33:11] <_methods> i think i'll just borrow one
[16:33:17] <ssi> nooooooo
[16:33:25] <_methods> wife said i can't go skydivin anymore
[16:33:29] <_methods> but i am allowed to fly
[16:33:32] <ssi> haha
[16:33:38] <ssi> then you need a cherokee!
[16:33:45] <ssi> it's the best first plane
[16:33:53] <ssi> and mine's faster than most
[16:34:12] <_methods> i gotta get my license first lol
[16:34:16] <ssi> and it can be yours for less than the price of a new camry!
[16:34:28] <ssi> it's WAY cheaper to buy a plane and get your license in it
[16:34:31] <ssi> I wish I'd done it that way
[16:34:36] <ssi> I bought the cherokee two weeks after I got my ticket
[16:34:38] <_methods> good tip
[16:34:44] <ssi> it cost me $10k to get my license
[16:34:51] <ssi> I could have paid off a huge chunk of the plane instead
[16:34:52] <_methods> i'll be hitting you up for more tips like that when i do it
[16:34:59] <_methods> i have some other stuff i have to do first
[16:35:22] <ssi> my plane has an autogas STC too... with fuel as cheap as it is, it'll cost something like $18-22/hr in fuel to run
[16:35:26] <ssi> plus $35-40 for an instructor
[16:35:34] <ssi> vs $140/hr for a plane rental and $35-40 for an instructor
[16:35:42] <ssi> it'll probably take 60+ hours
[16:35:43] <ssi> do that math
[16:36:12] <_methods> wow
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[16:37:59] <ssi> http://superiorflight.com/aircraft/
[16:38:07] <ssi> there's the rates on the school planes at the airport by my house
[16:38:38] <ssi> also don't learn in a cessna
[16:38:39] <ssi> they blow
[16:39:18] <_methods> k
[16:39:28] <_methods> i got machines to build first though lol
[16:39:39] <ssi> haha yeah
[16:39:40] <ssi> me too :P
[16:40:16] <_methods> haha
[16:43:18] <Thomaxo_> _methods: you could go kiteboarding
[16:45:23] <ssi> _methods: what about powered paragliding?
[16:45:58] <_methods> yeah
[16:46:03] <zeeshan> is there a built in g-code
[16:46:08] <zeeshan> for helical interpolation
[16:46:12] <zeeshan> for circle milling holes?
[16:46:17] <ssi> yeah
[16:46:19] <_methods> jt made a nice py script
[16:46:31] <_methods> works great for pockets
[16:46:43] <zeeshan> i keep having to use cam to do it and it seems silly
[16:46:57] <_methods> you have google right lol
[16:47:00] <thesaint444> hi guys, anyone answer an install question?
[16:47:09] <_methods> google linuxcnc gcode generators
[16:47:13] <ssi> zeeshan: G2/G3 does helical arcts
[16:47:15] <ssi> arcs
[16:47:27] <archivist> thesaint444, only if you ask :)
[16:47:53] <zeeshan> ill use cam for now, will try to study scripts when ihas time
[16:48:02] <thesaint444> loading from live cd (usb stick) onto ssd drive, hangs after about 10% whilst copying files...
[16:48:12] <zeeshan> i literally modelled a part with a hole in it
[16:48:13] <zeeshan> lol
[16:48:19] <archivist> zeeshan, time you tried to script gcode!
[16:48:28] <zeeshan> ive only done basic stuff by hand
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[16:48:40] <XXCoder> thesaint444: you sure your device has enough space to store files?
[16:48:48] <thesaint444> yes.. plenty.
[16:48:56] <thesaint444> 120gb..
[16:48:59] <XXCoder> yeah seemed unlikely but who knows.
[16:49:13] <thesaint444> checksums all good..
[16:50:01] <archivist> you could try a real hard disk
[16:50:27] <XXCoder> ssd is a real hard drive
[16:50:33] <thesaint444> could do.. lol. but it will work better with an ssd and i just bought it for this purpose..
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[16:52:48] <thesaint444> something to do with the partition setup options/formating but i was hoping default would be fine..
[16:52:48] <XXCoder> oh yeah there apparently was breakthough on ssd tech
[16:52:57] <XXCoder> 10 tb ones will be possible soon
[16:53:28] <XXCoder> wonder will start beating even moores law again soon lol
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[16:53:36] <SpeedEvil> No.
[16:53:52] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: the problem is that 'Z' is a temporary short-term solution.
[16:54:01] <XXCoder> it is yeah
[16:54:14] <SpeedEvil> You can get a short-term benefit by going from 1-many stacked bits.
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[16:54:24] <SpeedEvil> But - you can get much more dense than present on XY.
[16:54:27] <thesaint444> no suggestions?
[16:54:36] <XXCoder> I remember one book where storage was done by shaping space. infinite storage :P
[16:55:17] <SpeedEvil> In principle, for memory at least, there is no great reason why you can't have most of it turned off, and a _LOT_ of layers. But that does rely on each layer being very cheap.
[16:55:22] <archivist> thesaint444, we cannot see your "hang" have you googled the error with SSD in the search term
[16:55:22] <SpeedEvil> This desn't work for CPUs thugh
[16:55:43] <XXCoder> true
[16:56:01] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: there was also new invention related to ssd, self-annealing
[16:56:04] <thesaint444> archivist - there is no error message - its a hang...
[16:56:14] <XXCoder> *sectors. it makes ssd basically immortal.
[16:57:44] <Thomaxo_> are there any tables for CNC-able materials?
[16:57:57] <SpeedEvil> Thomaxo_: ?
[16:58:03] <SpeedEvil> Thomaxo_: Anything is CNCable
[16:58:11] <SpeedEvil> you can CNC pasta or plutonium.
[16:58:29] <SpeedEvil> Anthracite or abalone
[16:58:54] <archivist> thesaint444, google something like "NAMEOFOS system hangs during installation on SSD"
[16:59:10] <Thomaxo_> heh, well, more talking about what kind of milling cutters at what rotation speed, etc
[16:59:27] <thesaint444> archivist - ok... thanks.
[16:59:30] <Thomaxo_> soft plastic would probably melt etc
[16:59:55] <archivist> that sort of info is for manual as well as cnc
[17:00:19] <Thomaxo_> that is true
[17:00:22] <archivist> tooling companies often have info to match the tooling
[17:00:26] <bensbenz> maybe load ubuntu 12.04 then follow wiki guide to install the rest
[17:00:48] <archivist> dunno if he is loading ubuntu or debian
[17:00:49] <thesaint444> Thomaxo - you need to do some reading about engineering. get a basic engineering workshop book to start with - it will give you and idea!
[17:01:14] <Thomaxo_> I will!
[17:01:18] <bensbenz> thesaint444 - I had issues with the livecd hybrid thing too, im going the ubuntu route, working so far.
[17:01:19] <Thomaxo_> thanks :)
[17:01:19] <thesaint444> bensbenz - yes, that will be my next step if i cant get this going..
[17:01:19] <archivist> practice on a macual machine to get the feel too
[17:01:23] <archivist> manual
[17:02:22] <thesaint444> Thomaxo - get a manual mill if possible and lathe - learn with them then go to cnc..
[17:02:39] <thesaint444> bensbenz - that is what i needed to hear - thanks...
[17:02:58] <archivist> night classes at the local college or hacker space
[17:02:59] <thesaint444> right, off to fiddle with linux installs, bye and thanks!
[17:03:19] <Thomaxo_> hmm, manual cnc seems like alot of work :)
[17:03:27] <Thomaxo_> manual mill*
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[17:05:40] <Thomaxo_> i think i could probably manage with an engineering book, i have a good background in phsyics and maths
[17:06:00] <archivist> some machining is feel
[17:08:03] <bensbenz> Thomaxo - Youtube: mrpete222, oxtoolsco, keith fenner
[17:08:06] <archivist> one listens to the noise of the cut(or feel the machine vibration) as much as look at the cut finish
[17:08:45] <bensbenz> for manual stuff
[17:09:20] <Thomaxo_> i'll check those channels out
[17:09:24] <archivist> if you can feel then
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG hand turning will be easy
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[17:09:57] <bensbenz> thomaxo for CNC stuff guys like nyccnc, and John Grimso
[17:10:19] <bensbenz> *grimsmo
[17:10:31] <ssi> archivist: is that a 3C collet machine?
[17:10:31] <Thomaxo_> and those as well :)
[17:10:52] <archivist> ssi, no its a Lorch own size I think
[17:10:55] <ssi> ah
[17:10:59] <CaptHindsight> 75F sun, low humidity and no bugs yet, we get like 10 days a year like this here
[17:11:01] <ssi> it's cute
[17:11:21] <Thomaxo_> there probably doesn't exist a set of formulas to tell me how fast i could go trough a material or at what rotation speed?
[17:11:22] <archivist> ssi about 70mm centre height
[17:12:01] <archivist> Thomaxo_, there are ranges depending on various factors
[17:12:45] <archivist> cutting tool, material and importantly, machine rigidity
[17:13:04] <archivist> loads of people get the last one wrong
[17:14:04] <mutley> wow, two days of intense cnc investigations and machining, end result good
[17:14:08] <ssi> yeah pretty much by the time you have the rigidity required by the tables, you have the experience to not need them anymore :P
[17:14:08] <archivist> there is also work piece flexing and cutter flexing that affect the conditions
[17:14:41] <mutley> Thomaxo_: there are many feeds and speeds calculators covering all known materials or equivalents
[17:15:25] <archivist> and all probably assume a real machine not a cheap gantry router
[17:15:51] <mutley> anyways, after sorting that motion issue the crept in after an update, ive actually managed to further resolve (or at least identify root cause) or circles not being circles
[17:16:32] <FinboySlick> mutley: I'm curious. I had non-circle circles too.
[17:17:02] * archivist guesses drivers powering down and losing steps
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[17:18:19] <mutley> archivist: yea your probably right, although they are starting points, and if you are deserving of having a cheap gantry version you should at least have the comon sense to compensate or at least stiffen up the gantry and not try to cut tungsten titanium kryptonite alloys ;p
[17:18:44] <Thomaxo_> hmm ok, i have lots of research to then :)
[17:19:25] <mutley> Thomaxo_: its a learning curve, as steep as you want it to be, and as expensive (or cheap) as the effort and investment you put in, same goes with anything really
[17:19:48] <mutley> so, circles aint crcles, but they are now (almost)
[17:19:51] <archivist> mutley, yup machine stiffness helps people make fewer mistakes, gantry being a more flexible design
[17:20:52] <Thomaxo_> well learning is fun!
[17:20:53] <archivist> add webs to stiffen so the cutting force is not bending the structure
[17:20:57] <mutley> checked and triple quad checked everything, fro mechanical possibilities to tool deflection to gantry flex through to all settings in the unnamed cnc controller i inherited
[17:21:10] <mutley> ultimately i had a combination of a couple of problems
[17:21:18] <mutley> mechanically everything was sound, ganty good etc
[17:21:42] <mutley> i had tool delfection of the aforementioned 1mm diameter 13mm reach bit
[17:21:49] <archivist> yes but what effort to flex how much, measure
[17:22:04] <mutley> but i had compensated for that by slowing feeds rightdown, snails racing past the bit
[17:22:20] <mutley> but still had this very consistent 0.2mm out of round
[17:22:52] <mutley> noticed that step/dir delay was at 30us
[17:23:01] <mutley> my driver manual mentioned 5us
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[17:23:30] <mutley> so i dropped it from 30 to 10 to be safe, and now im 0.08 out of round
[17:24:07] <mutley> rechecked by putting it back to 30, cut a new piece, back to 0.2mm out of round, droped back to 10us and low and behold, 0.08 again
[17:24:14] <archivist> I recommend disabling driver power down function if you can
[17:24:40] <mutley> a freaking year this has been plaguing me
[17:24:57] <mutley> think ive ernt the right to a rare glass of red this evening
[17:25:44] <mutley> archivist: ill look into that
[17:26:20] <mutley> i might go for the driver manf recommended setting of 5us and see what that does, but no more for today, neighbours are home and its evening
[17:26:47] <mutley> however, tomorrow night, cnc party night, neighbours away so all i can disturb are the sheep in the field
[17:29:00] <zeeshan> HEHE
[17:29:04] <zeeshan> im eating aluminum !
[17:29:15] <lair82_> Trying not to duplicate asking questions, but, I started moving the slides around today on my latest build, and was wondering if there may be a bug with the calibration utility. I am running Debian with RT Preempt, using gscreen. It says my INI file is not compatible with emccalib.tcl.
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[17:30:08] <archivist> not sure anyone keeps the tcl stuff up to date
[17:31:10] <lair82_> It said that I have "No tune-able items in 10VC.INI"
[17:31:51] <skunkworks> it also tells you that you need [axis_0] P=1 for example
[17:32:00] <skunkworks> do you have those in your ini?
[17:32:05] <lair82_> When it is laid out carbon copy to the integrator manual, and the exact same as the last three machines I setup using Linuxcnc.
[17:32:24] <archivist> I see recent commits keeping it up to date and fixing bugs
[17:32:37] <lair82_> skunkworks that is correct
[17:32:59] <skunkworks> it might also need the correct setp's in the hal file...
[17:33:13] <skunkworks> do you have your hal and ini file somewhere?
[17:33:51] <lair82_> Yep, let me post them on pastebin, be back in a few,
[17:35:25] <mutley> anyways, just want to say a huge thanks to thise that threw comment and suggestion my way that put me on the right track to resolving my issues (well cnc related ones anyway)
[17:40:18] <lair82_> Here is my hal file,
http://pastebin.com/CRGSKagG and here is my INI file,
http://pastebin.com/uQXcD8Mv
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[17:48:00] <lair82_> skunkworks, When I was writing my hal file, I copied the data section by section from one of my turning centers, which works perfectly.
[17:48:26] <mutley> ah well, let the clean up begin
[17:51:43] <skunkworks> not seeing anything out of the ordinary.. Could you bring up axi using the same hal/ini file and see if it works?
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[17:52:06] <lair82_> Will do, report back in a bit.
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[17:54:36] <dgarr> lair82_: your hal file is very confused: you use loadrt pid num_chan=3 which creates pins like pid.0.* but later you refer to pins named pid.x.*
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[18:06:21] <lair82_> I posted the wrong one, here is the correct HAL file,
http://pastebin.com/Bn0UrZtM
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[18:10:56] <lair82_> dgarr I thought I threw that first one out, apparently not.
[18:12:10] <skunkworks> you wouldn't happen to be creating/editing the files on a windows machine?
[18:16:44] <lair82_> No, I did all my work on my test machine, which is setup for debian.
[18:21:22] <lair82_> Unless gedit was saving as windows format, and I didn't realize it.
[18:25:11] <dgarr> lair82_: in a terminal please enter: linuxcnc_var all and post result
[18:26:09] <dgarr> (if rip, make sure to source scripts/rip-environment first)
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[18:29:59] <lair82> dgarr, here is what I got, greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev$ linuxcnc_var all LINUXCNCVERSION=2.8.0~pre1 REALTIME=/home/greenmill/linuxcnc-dev/scripts/realtime RTS=uspace HALLIB_DIR=/home/greenmill/linuxcnc-dev/lib/hallib greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev$
[18:31:37] <lair82> I tried to find the emccalib.tcl file, find: `emccalib.tcl': No such file or directory greenmill@greenmill:~$
[18:31:57] <lair82> Just to see if maybe I could hash out what the problem may be
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[18:53:20] <lair82> I am beginning to think my machine is cursed,
[18:54:10] <dgarr> suggest you make a zip file for the non-working configuration directory and post it somewhere
[18:57:20] <Cromaglious_> lair82, open a xterm window: find ~ -name emccqlib.tcl
[18:57:30] <Cromaglious_> lair82, open a xterm window: find ~ -name emccalib.tcl
[18:58:06] <dgarr> emcalib.tcl is /home/greenmill/linuxcnc-dev/tcl/bin (save a copy if you experiment with it)
[19:03:24] <dgarr> lair82: remove the leading whitepace (spaces,tabs) in front of the setp lines like setp pid.*.* [AXIS_*]* and test please
[19:04:13] <skunkworks> ooh...
[19:05:34] <lair82> Amazing what will stop things from working properly. It works now.
[19:06:31] <lair82> Why would that make a difference now, all three other machines files are setup this way, and I have never had a problem.
[19:07:31] <Cromaglious_> different parser used on that file?
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[19:11:03] <skunkworks> tabs vs spaces?
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[19:13:40] <Cromaglious_> that or WS vs no whitespace
[19:14:47] <Cromaglious_> or the insideous parser called COBOL, where everything has to be in the required column
[19:16:08] <dgarr> the problem with leading spaces was probably introduced by a commit that fixed a diifferent problem, namely
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ab1301a6185ab072d1d0415cc506c7789a368d8
[19:17:19] <dgarr> git tag --contains 0ab1301a6 indicates all it is in all branches after v2.6.4
[19:19:34] <Cromaglious_> so $tmpstring needs a trim on the line before it.
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[19:22:39] <Cromaglious_> dunno tcl, $WhiteSpace = " "+ chr$(9): while instr($WhiteSpace, left$($tmpstring,1)) : $tmpstring=mid$($tmpstring,2): wend
[19:25:45] <dgarr> patch
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-emccalib.tcl-allow-whitespace-on-detected-setp-lines.patch
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[19:31:19] <lair82> Thanks for the help guys, now I'm moving along again. Have a good weekend
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[19:31:44] <lair82> Time or me to hit it for the weekend.
[19:32:01] <thesaint444> anyone here had problems with the live install and ssd drives?
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[19:32:30] <_methods> i had a problem with mine on hdmi
[19:32:32] <_methods> not ssd though
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[19:33:08] <thesaint444> think it might be something with old board and new drive..
[19:33:13] <_methods> had to add a flag to the boot line to get it to load with hdmi
[19:33:37] <_methods> that was getting the installer to load up
[19:33:50] <thesaint444> any itx form factor recommendations?
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[19:34:01] <Cromaglious_> board or case?
[19:34:09] <thesaint444> board..
[19:34:14] <Cromaglious_> I really like the minibox cases
[19:34:20] <Cromaglious_> mini-box.com
[19:34:31] <Cromaglious_> I have 2
[19:34:31] <thesaint444> and a modern main board?
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[19:34:48] <_methods> i think i'm using a gigabyte with an i3 or soemthing
[19:34:54] <_methods> let me check my newegg order history
[19:35:03] <thesaint444> thanks!
[19:35:05] <_methods> it's been really awesome compared to mother one
[19:35:14] <_methods> s/mother/my other
[19:35:15] <_methods> lol
[19:35:23] <thesaint444> lol..
[19:35:30] <Cromaglious_> mine are older atom boards, I really need a newer ITX board
[19:35:31] <_methods> my other mill is using a pc with a dual core amd
[19:35:35] <_methods> really showing its age now
[19:35:38] <thesaint444> was trying to to use an older atom..
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[19:36:35] <thesaint444> it is not liking my new ssd..
[19:36:35] <Cromaglious_> I just spent all my spurge money on getting arduino mega, uno, and nano boards
[19:37:01] <Cromaglious_> splurge
[19:37:11] <Rab> Cromaglious_, how is your chinese engraving spindle?
[19:37:26] <Cromaglious_> my 400w is working good
[19:38:05] <Cromaglious_> the pwm board I got works pretty good. haven't wired in the over current yet though
[19:38:32] <Rab> What types of tools/materials have you tried?
[19:39:18] <Cromaglious_> wood: oak, pine, mdf; metal copper, AL
[19:40:05] <Cromaglious_> er11 using 3.175mm 1/8" bits mostly
[19:41:21] <Cromaglious_> tried a 3/16" shank, 0.025" end mill. It cut about 1 inch before I broke it at 1ipm
[19:41:44] <Cromaglious_> in 0.040 AL
[19:42:17] <Cromaglious_> next time I use one it'll be .5ipm and lots of wd-40
[19:42:50] <zeeshan> what rpm do you spin at?
[19:42:52] <_methods> ah i'm running it on a ga-z68ma microatx
[19:43:02] <_methods> with an i3-2100
[19:43:18] <Cromaglious_> I'm running mainly at 8K to 12K
[19:43:21] <_methods> i put a seasonic fanless power supply in it too
[19:43:37] <_methods> i need to get rid of the fan on the cpu too
[19:43:52] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/11S9H
[19:43:57] <zeeshan> its starting to come otgether
[19:44:01] <_methods> it used to be my htpc
[19:44:13] <_methods> but roku's and chromecasts killed my need for htpc
[19:44:58] <zeeshan> whats an easy to use/free video editting software
[19:45:03] <zeeshan> to like join videos
[19:45:09] <zeeshan> do some fading
[19:45:15] <zeeshan> add some text
[19:45:43] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, what's that gonna be?
[19:46:31] <zeeshan> a sculpture that an artist is working on
[19:46:45] <zeeshan> its one of those interactive sculptures for the city
[19:46:55] <zeeshan> has to do with water treatment
[19:47:00] <_methods> yeah sure
[19:47:11] <Cromaglious_> thing about the 3040 is it flexes really bad.. z deflection it 0.015 at 2#'s
[19:47:23] <zeeshan> lol
[19:47:25] <zeeshan> thats a lot
[19:47:37] <zeeshan> do the engraves visually look okay though?
[19:47:50] <Cromaglious_> if I go slow enough
[19:48:21] <zeeshan> .5 ipm at 10000 rpm seems like
[19:48:22] <Cromaglious_> my problem is holding the 0.040 AL flat enough
[19:48:24] <zeeshan> youre not really cutting?
[19:48:55] <zeeshan> how many flutes on the engraving bit?
[19:49:01] <Cromaglious_> 3
[19:49:37] <Cromaglious_> 2 on the 0.025 and 2 on the 0.008
[19:50:02] <Cromaglious_> 3 on the 60degree and 1 on the 30degree
[19:50:07] <Rab> Cromaglious_, what was your depth of cut for .125
[19:50:10] <Rab> in Al?
[19:50:32] <zeeshan> chip load = approx uncut chip thickness = feed / (n * teeth) = 0.5/(10000*3)
[19:50:56] <zeeshan> 0.0000166
[19:50:58] <zeeshan> wow
[19:51:08] <zeeshan> youre just rubbing
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[19:51:19] <Cromaglious_> in the 0.5 stock I'm using 0.100 with a 0.002 step over at 8Krpm
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[19:52:16] <Cromaglious_> at 10ipm
[19:52:16] <zeeshan> the cutting edge is anywhere between 0.0003" to 0.002"
[19:52:37] <zeeshan> if youre feeding less than that value, youre just plastically deforming the material, not shearing it :D
[19:52:57] <zeeshan> do you have a pic of the engraving?
[19:53:10] <Cromaglious_> not a close up
[19:53:22] <Rab> Cromaglious_, cool, sounds like that little spindle isn't a bad deal for the money.
[19:53:46] <Cromaglious_> spindle is more capable than the mechanism
[19:54:02] <_methods> yeah i need to get one of those spindles
[19:54:08] <_methods> how much was that 400w?
[19:54:15] <Cromaglious_> checking
[19:54:28] <_methods> did it come with vfd too?
[19:55:29] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281526915107?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:55:32] <Cromaglious_> it's DC
[19:55:53] <Cromaglious_> here's the pwm controller
[19:55:54] <Cromaglious_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261599588503?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:56:01] <_methods> ahhh i halready have one of those
[19:56:09] <_methods> i thought you had one of the water cooled ones with vfd
[19:56:10] <zeeshan> 2inch body diameter
[19:56:10] <zeeshan> hmm
[19:56:12] <Cromaglious_> $56 and $19
[19:56:16] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can make a cat40 holder for it
[19:56:21] <Cromaglious_> 52mm
[19:56:31] <_methods> yeah i use the motor on my pcb mill
[19:56:36] <_methods> works good
[19:57:05] <Cromaglious_> 8mm shaft er11 collet runout is acceptable
[19:57:19] <zeeshan> that thing is basically a dremel!
[19:57:20] <zeeshan> :D
[19:57:25] <_methods> yeah i can cut smd pcbs with it
[19:57:30] <_methods> works good
[19:57:31] <Cromaglious_> hell of alot quiter
[19:57:50] <Cromaglious_> quieter
[19:57:56] <_methods> yeah silent
[19:58:11] <_methods> compared to dremel
[19:59:56] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, it's right around 8" overall length and fan sticks up about 1.75" off the end.
[20:00:08] <zeeshan> lol
[20:00:11] <zeeshan> thats not gonna work then
[20:00:17] <zeeshan> my z limit is 14.75"
[20:00:39] <zeeshan> when i get more time this winter
[20:00:44] <zeeshan> i might make a new vertical head for it
[20:00:55] <Cromaglious_> what's the actual cat40 face to table max distance?
[20:01:12] <zeeshan> about 20"
[20:01:18] <zeeshan> to 18
[20:01:46] <Cromaglious_> so you'd have 9" to 12"
[20:01:57] <zeeshan> yes but if you add the vise
[20:02:02] <zeeshan> now its like 5" more gone
[20:02:27] <Cromaglious_> then the bit, so you're down to like 3"
[20:02:33] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:02:38] <zeeshan> i think a vertical head makes sense
[20:03:06] <zeeshan> i could make a epicyclic gear setup for it
[20:03:18] <Cromaglious_> heh put a dove tail on the side of you head
[20:03:20] <zeeshan> basically a spindle speeder
[20:03:33] <Cromaglious_> or linear rails
[20:03:51] <Cromaglious_> make a Z for the spindle
[20:04:13] <zeeshan> i think ill do a planetary gears etup
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[20:04:21] <zeeshan> because those things can do like 50:1 speed boost
[20:04:45] <zeeshan> was it 50 to 1
[20:04:47] <zeeshan> hmm
[20:04:54] <zeeshan> maybe it was 5:1
[20:05:14] <Cromaglious_> hmm fixed ring, drive the planets and spindle is the sun?
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[20:05:38] <Cromaglious_> that would give you 15k
[20:07:01] <zeeshan> i havent looked at this type of gear transmission in a long time
[20:07:05] <zeeshan> ill have to revisit
[20:07:19] <zeeshan> i forgot how they worked :)
[20:07:51] <zeeshan> i _think_ if you spin the sun using the spindle power
[20:08:13] <zeeshan> (ring gear)
[20:08:26] <zeeshan> okay lemme use the terms i remember
[20:08:46] <zeeshan> the ring gear (outer most gear) if you spin this, then the gear at the very center spins faster
[20:08:58] <zeeshan> depending on the plant gears
[20:09:01] <zeeshan> *planet
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[20:40:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, find some engraving bits?
[20:40:41] <zeeshan> no
[20:40:45] <zeeshan> he doesnt want it engraved anymore
[20:40:47] <zeeshan> we did the slots instead
[20:40:55] <zeeshan> look a lot better than having some random logo engraved
[20:40:58] <zeeshan> did you see?
[20:41:41] <zeeshan> be back later tonight :p
[20:41:49] <zeeshan> its relax time!
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[20:48:12] <Cromaglious_> it's kinda nice having 3 mice on one computer... depending on where I sit, I have a mouse
[20:50:32] <Cromaglious_> ugh crappy example code, expects G20, but it doesn't have it in the file
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[21:27:56] <Cromaglious_> hmm
[21:28:21] <Cromaglious_> RapR3D editor will not install
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[23:47:37] <zeeshan--> hi
[23:47:46] <malcom2073> Hi
[23:47:50] <zeeshan--> has anyone heard of a seiberco servo drive
[23:48:01] <malcom2073> Not I
[23:48:47] <malcom2073> Did some work on this silly wooden model of a steam engine, couple of design flaws keeping it from actually runnin smoothl on compressed air. Gonna rebuild the main piston and valve piston, be a good practice on the lathe
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