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[00:08:33] <malcom2073> LOL @ 3d ice "printing"
[00:08:53] <malcom2073> Ahhh media, how I love you
[00:09:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: ?! Isn't that a waterhose?
[00:09:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: or peeing in the snow?
[00:10:00] <malcom2073> Jymmm: There is a company that is "3d printing" ice sculptures for their whisky glasses.... by "3d milling.... " but "the concept is similar" enough for them to call it 3d printing
[00:10:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: ~sigh~
[00:10:43] <malcom2073> Shouldn't be shocked, it's a huffington post article
[00:10:57] <malcom2073> It's not like they actually have brains
[00:10:59] <Jymmm> Actually pissing my name in the snow WOULD be 3d printing, just analog =)
[00:11:12] <malcom2073> Wouldn't that be subtractive? :P
[00:11:38] <Jymmm> No additive, I'm adding my urinie to the snow on the ground.
[00:11:58] <Rab> I know some people are chafing at the 3D printer hype. I hope they're ready for the coming wave of 3D milling hype.
[00:12:00] <malcom2073> That's more like 2d printing on paper (but the concept is similar)
[00:12:02] <malcom2073> :P
[00:12:13] <malcom2073> Rab: Oh man, I need to jump on that bandwagon
[00:12:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Depends on how much beer I've had
[00:12:30] <malcom2073> Jymmm: +1
[00:13:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: 3D Urinine printing igloos
[00:13:11] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I think you may be on to something
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[00:13:41] <Jymmm> at least till spring or the critters smell the human salts
[00:13:41] <Rab> It's subtractive...and additive!
[00:14:07] <Jymmm> DONT RECYCLE, REUSE!!!!
[00:14:44] <Jymmm> Heh, that works both IRL and smartassism!!!!
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[00:15:37] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, dug up my old UPS - APC 1300 XS and connected good batteries to it from another. Weirdly, everything seems to work ok, but it keeps showing 0W:)
[00:15:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Hey, ya bastard, I need vape help please
[00:16:02] <LeelooMinai> I have a lamp connected to it though.
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[00:16:48] <Jymmm> how do you know the batterie are good?
[00:16:55] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: here, tell me the problem
[00:17:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ok, let me grab link...
[00:17:07] <_methods> i love lamp
[00:17:12] <LeelooMinai> voltage + the lamp works with ups disconnected from mains
[00:17:15] <Loetmichel> depends on the cig ;-)
[00:17:49] <LeelooMinai> It just cannot display the power usage for some reason - neither on LCD or inside the PC application
[00:18:12] <LeelooMinai> Otherwise it seems to behave as expected - passed self-test even
[00:18:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: This is what I have right now
http://www.aironenow.com/vaporizer-starter-pack-premium-black/
[00:19:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No matter what I do, no matter PG/VG, I cant do a lung hit without coughing. But....
[00:19:05] * LeelooMinai inspect the light bulb
[00:19:33] <LeelooMinai> H,, it's 11W led one, maybe it's too low to sense or something?
[00:19:56] * LeelooMinai goes to find some 60watt one
[00:19:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I tried someone elses 18650 vape with a ring that lets you adjust the carb (air intake), took a deep lung hit and guess what... NO COUGHING!!!
[00:20:01] <Loetmichel> LeelooMinai: 1300W ups and 11W (smps?) led lamp?
[00:20:06] <Loetmichel> thats a BIT too less
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[00:20:25] <Loetmichel> get a tungsten filament type lamp with at least 60W and you will get some readings
[00:20:29] <Loetmichel> better a 100W one
[00:20:29] <LeelooMinai> Too less for what? Current sense?
[00:20:46] <LeelooMinai> I know 11watt is not a lot, but it's still substantial
[00:21:10] <Loetmichel> i would think the current sense i the ups is not that high resolution
[00:21:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: So, what I could use your help with is choosing either a kit or the pieces I need from FastTech if you have the time.
[00:21:28] <LeelooMinai> Ok, 100watt, here I go
[00:21:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: /join #jymmm
[00:21:52] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: as i dont knot the kit you have i can only speculate. usually when coughing its too much vapor and to less air
[00:22:18] <LeelooMinai> Hmm...
[00:22:49] <LeelooMinai> Ok, now power reading is up, but shows 50watt for 100watt light bulb...
[00:23:25] <LeelooMinai> Seems a bit off, no? :)
[00:24:50] <LeelooMinai> Disconnected ups from mains and on battery the ups shows 62watt
[00:25:02] <LeelooMinai> Not sure what's going on:/
[00:25:43] <LeelooMinai> Maybe I can still use it for modification for my solar setup
[00:27:31] <LeelooMinai> But would need to figure out how to disable charging
[00:29:56] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder if I would just stick a diode there as a simple workaround if that would work.
[00:30:13] <Loetmichel> LeelooMinai: it is simply not that precise in measuring pretty mall loads
[00:30:15] <Loetmichel> happens
[00:30:32] <Loetmichel> small
[00:30:36] <LeelooMinai> Showing 100watt as 50watt is beyond not-precise imho
[00:30:47] <Loetmichel> depends
[00:30:57] <Loetmichel> precision is shown in % of the scale end
[00:31:20] <LeelooMinai> Is, so what - they have 4 bit ADC there? :)
[00:32:16] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, surely a diode would prevent UPS from charging anything...
[00:32:17] <Loetmichel> so if the sensor is capable of 1300W and has a 2% margin of error it can measure anything between 74 and 126W for a 100W bulb
[00:32:36] <Loetmichel> if its a 5% t6ype it gets even worse
[00:33:44] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, if so accuracy sucks on this device, but good news is I don't think I really need it.
[00:33:51] <LeelooMinai> I need to make it into inverter + transfer switch
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[00:41:37] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess a diode would waste quite a bit of energy
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[00:57:46] <renesis> leeloominai: schottky diode
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[00:59:33] <renesis> will use like 1/3 to 1/8 power compared to silicon diode
[01:09:47] <LeelooMinai> Damn, I trolled myself a bit - I connected my desktop to the UPS and it went dead...
[01:10:11] <LeelooMinai> So I panicked and thought PSU failed or something...
[01:10:47] <LeelooMinai> Finally I remembered that it's one of those PSUs that controls slave sockets with the master one and there was nothing in the master...
[01:10:53] <LeelooMinai> UPSes*
[01:11:59] <LeelooMinai> I know shottkey are better for this, but still - this is kind of critical place. I would probably need some mosfet-based super-low-drop device instead of just a diode
[01:12:56] <LeelooMinai> Still not 100% how UPS would react to this
[01:13:01] <LeelooMinai> 100% sure
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[01:17:10] <LeelooMinai> Even if the drop is, say, 0.4V at 20A it would be 8watt wasted and I would have to provide cooling for this diode
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[02:26:35] <bobo_> zeeshan: hgrinc.com #0315-140-0095 ------ #0315-140-0096 your wish just arrived !
[02:28:27] <bobo_> too bad you don't have a sand blaster for cleaning them up
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[03:00:56] <furrywolf> reverse-engineer the ups until you figure out how the charger works, and how to make it not work?
[03:02:52] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: Just looked inside. I don't think it's easily doable - there's a micro on there.
[03:03:13] <LeelooMinai> With some sticker with firmware codes.
[03:03:20] <furrywolf> the ups's power measurement capabilities are mostly to determine if you're overloading it and about how long it'll run off battery, not an exact power usage meter. showing 100W as 62W is less than 3% of full scale error. also, many light bulbs draw less than their rating, especially if they're 130V ones.
[03:04:06] <LeelooMinai> Yes, ok, I am not really worried about that - I would not use PSU to measure anything related to solar power anyways.
[03:04:37] <furrywolf> now, if you really want sad, many chinese multimeters are WORSE than that. :P
[03:05:06] <furrywolf> or at least the chinese panel meters. the multimeters are usually better.
[03:05:47] <furrywolf> I got one that's 4 digits, but +/-5% of full scale. meaning that two of the digits are completely useless. yay china.
[03:06:22] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I have Chinese multimeter, but it's ok - I tested it recently
[03:07:53] <furrywolf> for comparrison, my 50 year old Fluke 5.5 digit is still accurate to the microvolt. :)
[03:09:07] <LeelooMinai> I had this 0.02% voltage IC, so I designed/ordered a tiny board from oshpark for the total cost of $2.7 for 3 of them:)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16630786917/
[03:09:31] <LeelooMinai> Then used it to see what the DMM thinks and it was pretty close.
[03:09:54] <LeelooMinai> And the ic was free since I sampled it long time ago
[03:14:41] <furrywolf> hrmm, can't find the specs for my voltage source online anymore. looks like they finally discontinued it.
[03:15:32] <furrywolf> http://www.primetechnology.com/cp/images/PartsDocument/83658.pdf
[03:15:51] <furrywolf> I have a DAS-56B, the one with an internal battery backup
[03:16:34] <furrywolf> .0015% :)
[03:17:57] <furrywolf> my internal battery doesn't work, and it was last calibrated who-knows-when.... but it's still pretty accurate.
[03:20:26] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/nixies/fluke01.jpg if I set it to 12.345mV, my very ancient Fluke multimeter also says 12.345mV... so either they've both drifted exactly the same amount, or they're both accurate. :)
[03:21:26] <LeelooMinai> That source looks pretty ancient:)
[03:21:39] <furrywolf> the meter is also quite ancient. :)
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[03:22:34] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/nixies/fluke10mv.jpg but they agree quite well.
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[03:23:32] <furrywolf> it's an unusual source, since it lets you accurately specify any output voltage from -10V to 10V, with 1uV resolution... it's meant for testing sensor amps and things like that, not just calibrations.
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[03:24:50] <furrywolf> and the meter has nixies, which automatically makes it much cooler than my newer fluke with 7 7-segment digits. :P
[03:24:57] <furrywolf> led
[03:25:52] <furrywolf> my newer one has more digits, more features, gpib, lots of buttons... I never use it. the nixies are cool. :P
[03:25:54] <LeelooMinai> Right, pretty impressive specs for that source
[03:26:58] <furrywolf> they're cheap on ebay, since they're old and no one realizes how accurate they are.
[03:27:00] <LeelooMinai> But if I had it, I would put a paper bag over it or something
[03:27:29] <furrywolf> ?
[03:27:49] <LeelooMinai> You like how it looks? :)
[03:28:17] <furrywolf> I don't care how it looks. I care how it works.
[03:28:25] <LeelooMinai> Lies:)
[03:29:18] * furrywolf takes the case off and hydrodips it woodland camo
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[03:36:32] <sector_0> can I run linux cnc on raspberry pi?
[03:37:00] <Tom_itx> you might be better off with a bbb
[03:37:05] <furrywolf> http://hydraphics.com/Hydrographic-Water-Transfer-Film-Hello-Kitty-HK.htm I could dip it in that. would that make you happy?
[03:37:50] <sector_0> Tom_itx, what's a bbb?
[03:38:27] <Tom_itx> google is your friend but i'll give you a hint. beaglebone black
[03:39:17] <sector_0> Tom_itx, I highly doubt googling bbb would give me beaglebone
[03:39:26] <Tom_itx> i bet it would
[03:39:51] <sector_0> and btw it's beagleboard not beaglebone
[03:39:57] <sector_0> and I know about it
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[03:40:20] <furrywolf> none of the results on the first page are anything about beagleb* black.
[03:40:44] <sector_0> furrywolf, precisely
[03:40:48] <furrywolf> nor the second page
[03:41:05] <furrywolf> nor the third
[03:41:07] * furrywolf gets bored
[03:41:07] <sector_0> ...so let's not make up acronyms and pretend they're some sort of standard jargon
[03:41:27] <sector_0> but at any rate...thanks for the suggestion
[03:41:35] <sector_0> but has anyone actually tried this?
[03:41:39] <Tom_itx> http://beagleboard.org/BLACK
[03:41:46] <Tom_itx> yes someone has linux running on it
[03:41:59] <Tom_itx> lcnc
[03:42:27] <furrywolf> ten pages, still nothing. :P
[03:42:40] <Tom_itx> http://beagleboard.org/project/MachineKit/
[03:43:54] <sector_0> Tom_itx, very interesting, thanks I'll have a look at it
[03:43:59] <sector_0> furrywolf, lol
[03:44:10] <Tom_itx> furrywolf keep searching...
[03:46:02] <Tom_itx> for a couple bux more you can get a MB that will run it much nicer
[03:47:28] * furrywolf got sick of searching and is back to doing useful things
[03:48:07] <furrywolf> a coworker was asking me about hydrographics, so I'm rtfming on the subject. I'm very tempted to dip things in bright pink patterns to annoy LeelooMinai.
[03:48:55] <Tom_itx> sector_0, here's a nice little mini itx board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_j1900-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[03:49:18] <Tom_itx> run off a pico psu
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[03:55:12] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> it seems like one of those processes that's simple yet requires a fair amount of operator skill to make look nice
[03:58:52] <SpeedEvil> Is that drying oil on water transfer film?
[04:00:30] <furrywolf> it's some kind of paint on a film, yes...
[04:02:37] <LeelooMinai> I remember when I was like 10 the decals on plastic models of planes, ships, etc. They were applied by moving them from the transfer paper to the model under water - maybe it's similar?
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[04:10:45] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[04:35:44] <Cromaglious> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006654&IsNodeId=1&Description=mini+ITX&name=Motherboards&Order=BESTMATCH&Page=2
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[04:36:08] <Cromaglious> one board has 6 serial and 3 VGA ports
[04:42:14] <bobo_> PetefromTn_andro have you hidden all the Easter eggs yet ?
[04:42:38] <PetefromTn_andro> Hey bobo
[04:42:58] <PetefromTn_andro> No not yet still gotta get them colored
[04:43:18] <PetefromTn_andro> Honestly it's my daughter's birthday today
[04:43:38] <PetefromTn_andro> And we are taking her somewhere to celebrate tomorrow
[04:44:01] <PetefromTn_andro> So no idea when we will get to it.
[04:45:06] <bobo_> what really neat present did she get ---- that you have run the batteries down on ?
[04:49:25] <bobo_> Pete any more progress on the CNC lathe ? should be warm enough to clean n paint outside
[04:53:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Hav e not bought her gift just yet been busy and wanted to take her to get what she wants
[04:53:50] <PetefromTn_andro> Haven't done much of anything with the cnc lathe
[04:54:45] <PetefromTn_andro> After our visit to Florida for 11 days we decided that we are going to finish the works on the inside of our house asap so we can get it sold.
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[04:55:30] <PetefromTn_andro> I have torn down the wall cabinets in the kitchen and have been working on refinishing them all week.
[04:55:58] <bobo_> That is fair and considerate ------ What CNC store are you taking her to ? big grin
[04:57:22] <PetefromTn_andro> There's no cnc store locally unfortunately.
[04:57:54] <PetefromTn_andro> We are leaving it up to her what we will do tomorrow.
[04:58:13] <PetefromTn_andro> We asked her what she wants for dinner
[04:58:26] <bobo_> your move to florida --- get much of a chance to look at house prices and emp;oyment and taxes ?
[04:59:34] <PetefromTn_andro> And she laughed and said she wanted some of the Conch Fritters she had at Conchy Joes Restaurant while we were down in Florida
[05:00:03] <PetefromTn_andro> I actually used to work there as a teenager
[05:00:22] <PetefromTn_andro> Damn those fritters are delicious
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[05:00:51] <PetefromTn_andro> So I was just trying to find a similar recipe only online
[05:01:36] <bobo_> can't you come up with a way to make Conch Fritters at home ?
[05:01:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Might have to make calamari fritters or something since the chances of finding any fresh Conch meat in Tennnessee is essentially nil.
[05:02:32] <PetefromTn_andro> I think the recipe is rather simple actually
[05:02:54] <PetefromTn_andro> But the ones at Conchy Joes are amazing.
[05:03:58] <PetefromTn_andro> We did actually look around at houses and stuff while we were down there Just to get a feel for it.
[05:04:29] <PetefromTn_andro> Not going anywhere if we can't get the house sold LOL
[05:05:35] <bobo_> does it seem like the house flipper's are working overtime ?
[05:07:29] <PetefromTn_andro> Meh I Dunno
[05:08:33] <PetefromTn_andro> I do know that if our house sold for anywhere near our asking price before we left for vacation we could have bought several different nice homes in the area.
[05:11:53] <bobo_> might think of a storage space , for when the house sells. somewhere south ,so winter won't be such a problem . also would lessen the rush to jam stuff in new house
[05:13:35] <Cromaglious> jeeze.. it'll be cheaper to buy a new to me car, then fix the Caddy gasket set is $1500, rebuilt engine is $3300. I can get a nice running AC working Honda Odyssey for $2400
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[05:14:10] <bobo_> Pete I hope the only thing you leave behind is the snow shovel .
[05:14:36] <Cromaglious> you'll need the snow shovel to build sand castles!
[05:14:53] <PetefromTn_andro> Not sure what we will leave behind....maybe the heaters LOL
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[05:16:42] <PetefromTn_andro> One big issue is the fact that most homes while they had a lot of nice garages had very few high ceilings and with cbs construction. Removing the front of the garage door overhead is not going to be possible
[05:17:28] <PetefromTn_andro> So getting the Damn cnc mill in the door is probably an issue
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[05:18:50] <PetefromTn_andro> http://m.yelp.com/biz/conchy-joes-jensen-beach-2
[05:19:05] <bobo_> think about back double door onto patio
[05:19:11] <PetefromTn_andro> That's the place I am talking about.
[05:20:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah that's not really gonna work out as I need the power usually from the garage breaker box.
[05:21:17] <bobo_> was thinking back of garage
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[05:22:41] <PetefromTn_andro> Really depends on the house we find I guess
[05:22:46] <bobo_> my thinking is based on typ ranch style house
[05:23:15] <PetefromTn_andro> LOL there are no ranch style house in Florida
[05:24:05] <PetefromTn_andro> Think Edward scissor hands homes in exactly those colors and that's kinda what it's like LOL
[05:24:29] <bobo_> make one
[05:24:32] <PetefromTn_andro> Only more Palm trees
[05:24:57] <PetefromTn_andro> I freaking love Palm trees hehehe
[05:26:38] <bobo_> what is the name of the big bugs around palm trees ?
[05:26:39] <PetefromTn_andro> Just rented the movie interstellar
[05:26:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Palmetto bugs
[05:27:17] <PetefromTn_andro> You need a shot gun to kill them hehe
[05:27:48] <Mr_Sheesh> In a pinch a truck will do them in
[05:28:09] <PetefromTn_andro> Look like a two and a half inch long cockroach
[05:28:47] <PetefromTn_andro> I think they can fly too maybe
[05:28:58] <bobo_> Palmetto bugs there you go gene modify them and train'er to build houses
[05:29:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah a truck would handle it heh
[05:29:44] <PetefromTn_andro> I try to avoid bugs wherever possible thanks
[05:30:23] <PetefromTn_andro> I would consider it if I thought that they could lay tile in my house okay tho
[05:31:13] <bobo_> they any good if deep fried -------choclate dipped mayby /
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[05:32:11] <PetefromTn_andro> They are not going to be good for much of anything I am afraid
[05:33:01] <PetefromTn_andro> This movie is a theoretical physicist's wet dream jeez...
[05:33:53] <bobo_> clear p;astic ---- sell to northeners
[05:34:41] <PetefromTn_andro> Black holes...singularities....space/time....time travel it's all there
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[05:36:21] <PetefromTn_andro> I never could quite grasp the concept of time speeding up and slowing down for space traveler but it plays a major role during this movie
[05:37:26] <PetefromTn_andro> It's about as unknown to me as servo freaking tuning LOL
[05:38:05] <bobo_> The Time Traveler's Wife I enjoyed
[05:41:57] <bobo_> should have written ------ the movie "The Time Traveler's Wife" was enjoyable
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[05:44:29] <PetefromTn_andro> I don't remember if I saw that or not
[05:44:44] <bobo_> servo freaking tuning -------- no problem , just get pcw involved ---- and hang on
[05:49:34] <PetefromTn_andro> I know right. That guy is amazing
[05:50:03] <PetefromTn_andro> Well I am going to get to sleep now. Talk later bobo. Gn8
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[13:03:11] <JT-Shop> morning
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[13:29:16] <archivist> tis afternoon and a thread measuring machine has already followed me home
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[14:07:09] <Tom_itx> morning
[14:08:31] <_methods> grocery shoppin done
[14:09:07] <_methods> gonna work on the mini mill for a bit then it's off to prep all the food for tomorrow
[14:11:09] <_methods> ballscrew is rubbin on a high spot on my x axis on the y saddle
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[15:20:23] <jthornton> I've got a floppy with a 0 byte file and I can't erase it or format the disk...
[15:21:20] <Deejay> you still live in the nineties?
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[15:24:36] <Rab> jthornton, try renaming the file.
[15:25:06] <Deejay> remove the write protection first ;)
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[15:29:05] <JT-Shop> tried that and it failed
[15:29:12] <JT-Shop> I'm getting out the magnet now
[15:31:32] <Deejay> hrhr
[15:31:35] <JT-Shop> Deejay, my VMC is a 386 and uses floppies to transfer programs
[15:31:54] <Deejay> oh, you have a museum? ;-D
[15:32:26] <JT-Shop> yea, and I'm the head exhibit
[15:32:34] <Deejay> hehe
[15:33:00] <JT-Shop> next is my 1956 Ferguson F40
[15:34:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, there's a dos utility that will transfer via serial port
[15:34:49] <Tom_itx> i'm faced with a similar issue on one pc
[15:35:35] <Tom_itx> consider making a cable instead of floppies...
[15:35:37] <Deejay> or parallel port
[15:35:40] <Tom_itx> yeah that too
[15:35:42] <Deejay> interlink or what was the name?
[15:35:45] <Tom_itx> serial is simpler
[15:35:55] <Tom_itx> interlink was for parallel
[15:36:20] <Deejay> :)
[15:36:20] <Tom_itx> err no, interlink is the dos utility
[15:36:35] <Tom_itx> and intersvr
[15:36:37] <Rab> laplink
[15:36:47] <Tom_itx> laplink was what i was thinking of
[15:36:49] <Tom_itx> :)
[15:37:04] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure if it has a serial port but I'll look after I'm done making Dash Power Bezels
[15:37:44] <Tom_itx> i figured serial would be fine for me since most of the files i would transfer are very small
[15:38:08] <Tom_itx> oh and btw, interlink is still in win7 :)
[15:38:09] <JT-Shop> mine are usually pretty small as the 386 don't have much memory lol
[15:38:49] <Tom_itx> i'm still running a P100
[15:40:55] <Tom_itx> i set my bud with the tree mill up with realterm since the downloader he had been using quit on him
[15:41:11] <Tom_itx> for some reason it needs more delay now
[15:41:17] <Tom_itx> gettin old i guess..
[15:42:28] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what OS does your 386 use?
[15:42:43] <JT-Shop> DOS
[15:42:58] <Tom_itx> you could also use pcplus as a downloader
[15:43:05] <Tom_itx> we used to do that
[15:43:19] <Tom_itx> send it as an ascii file
[15:43:22] <JT-Shop> problem is the VMC is on the opposite side of my shop
[15:43:52] <JT-Shop> if it had network I could just plug it in as the walls are all wired for networking
[15:43:54] <Tom_itx> just set it up to receive then when you get to the host it will be ready
[15:43:58] <Tom_itx> we did that alot
[15:44:22] <Tom_itx> i had a long serial cable run to a couple of his
[15:44:36] <Tom_itx> with a max chip mid way to boost the signal
[15:45:10] <JT-Shop> google says you can go 15 meters
[15:45:30] <Tom_itx> the machine was 48 baud too
[15:46:01] <Deejay> +00
[15:46:08] <Tom_itx> google may say that but it doesn't know about noise in shops
[15:46:12] <Tom_itx> flourescents etc
[15:46:43] <JT-Shop> http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-interlink.html
[15:47:20] <Tom_itx> i bet i still have the dos downloader from my dos cad cam too...
[15:47:25] <Tom_itx> it's quite configurable
[15:48:51] <Tom_itx> there are a number of ways to do it... so if one doesn't work out you have options
[15:50:23] <Tom_itx> oh yeah.. make sure you use short filenames :)
[15:54:11] <JT-Shop> lol, the magnet cleared the floppy and now it formatted
[15:55:10] <Tom_itx> next time set it on your crt
[15:58:49] <JT-Shop> I have a CRT on the VMC lol
[15:58:54] <JT-Shop> only one left
[15:59:11] <Tom_itx> i've got one in a closet somewhere
[15:59:30] <JT-Shop> I have a big one over at Dad's house in the shed
[15:59:42] <JT-Shop> along with a pen plotter
[16:00:03] <Tom_itx> i gave one to my nephew to use on his security system
[16:00:18] <Tom_itx> glad to get rid of it..
[16:02:46] <_methods> wow you normally can't even give those things away anymore
[16:03:06] <pcw_home> e-waste
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[16:32:34] <CaptHindsight> archivist: for wovens or on metal rods? :)
[16:37:08] <humble_sea_bass> cap. im in istanbul right now. great machine tool shops as well as other nicnacs
[16:37:24] <humble_sea_bass> i'm sure it doesnt hold a candle to what's emerging in the far east
[16:38:03] <humble_sea_bass> but it is pretty different here and there considering they still have manufacturing here
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[16:50:43] <archivist> CaptHindsight, a thread pitch measuring machine
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111632136870
[16:54:10] <Tecan> dont phones do that now days ?
[16:54:14] <archivist> missing a few parts, two ball bearings, a support rod for the indicator (made already) and a bar the micrometer works against
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[16:55:54] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: do you can get a barak, end mill and a hooka all within a short walk?
[16:56:29] <humble_sea_bass> p much
[16:56:49] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a fun trip
[16:57:43] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, its been an exhausting day. I was traveling to ankara for work, but that city is all business and no fun, so I stopped off here in istanbul
[16:58:20] <_methods> JT-Shop: is that your pocket gcode generator?
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[16:58:34] <CaptHindsight> from what they order it seems that they try to keep their own manufacturing and technology local vs just buy from outside
[16:59:34] <_methods> if it is thx
[16:59:45] <_methods> saved me from having to go fire up mastercam to cut a spiral pocket
[17:00:38] <humble_sea_bass> they really do
[17:01:12] <humble_sea_bass> its good and bad, but as far as giving things a unique flavor it is great
[17:04:12] <CaptHindsight> did you wear a 10 gallon hat and chaps? :)
[17:06:09] <CaptHindsight> wow, 4+ hour drive, have some fun tonight
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[17:31:39] <zeeshan> wow
[17:31:51] <zeeshan> ive gone through 2x 330 cubic feet tanks
[17:31:54] <zeeshan> of argon
[17:31:55] <zeeshan> in a day
[17:31:59] <zeeshan> and ahalf
[17:32:15] <humble_sea_bass> we actualy flew. it is only a 4 hr drive, but when you get to the outskirts of istanbul, it takes 2 more hours to the city center
[17:32:41] <humble_sea_bass> so 50 min flight is it
[17:33:34] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: I hardly sleep at when traveling to new places the first few days. I spend my time exploring
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[17:34:33] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. i did the night owl thing and still managed to get up before 8 to check out the markets before the tourist cursh
[17:34:42] <CaptHindsight> I love street food and street shops since it's just about non-existent here
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[17:39:42] <_methods> durma baykal and i think denir or something like that are all in turkey
[17:39:51] <_methods> don't they make euromac there too?
[17:40:18] <_methods> durma and baykal i think have shops directly across from one another
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[17:43:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.baykal.com.tr/en/
[17:44:28] <CaptHindsight> worlds largest press brake
[17:45:42] <JT-Shop> _methods, ?
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[17:48:16] <_methods> that python pocket program
[17:48:19] <_methods> you write that?
[17:48:30] <_methods> if so i owe ya beers
[17:48:59] <_methods> on the linuxcnc script page
[17:49:10] <_methods> gcode generators
[17:49:26] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That looks like it could bend things.
[17:49:29] <JT-Shop> I wrote a bunch of them
[17:49:51] <_methods> well you saved me a trip up the stairs to mastercam hehe
[17:50:48] <JT-Shop> looks like Sammel Lothar based that one on mine and Lawrence Glaister's work
[17:51:14] <JT-Shop> I did start the ball rolling with them lol
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[17:51:57] <_methods> pocket-v1.py
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[17:52:11] <JT-Shop> yea I just looked at it
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[17:52:59] <JT-Shop> wow they are all using Tkinter
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[17:55:45] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I wonder what customer needed to bend sheet that long without welding
[17:58:16] <_methods> ship builders?
[17:59:24] <CaptHindsight> still looking for parts it made
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[18:02:03] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1LbNFFrrU
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[18:03:13] <FinboySlick> Aqueduct broken... I'm pondering a snowbath.
[18:04:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hydrapower-intl.com/largest_press_brake_hoax.asp
[18:07:11] <FinboySlick> The gantry system they use to lift it up is one heck of a thing too.
[18:07:37] <_methods> monster bumpin
[18:08:02] <CaptHindsight> ever watch those shows where they over dramatize their moves or installations?
[18:08:57] <CaptHindsight> "and if the 50 ft. adjustable spanner doesn't fit, they will have to wait 6 more weeks to get the bigger one"
[18:10:48] <CaptHindsight> "and it all comes down to Dave who has the giant toolbox, did he loan it out to his neighbor and was it ever returned?..." break to commercial
[18:14:43] <FinboySlick> The side supports for the 6000 press looked like they were forged. I'd love to see how they were made.
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[18:27:05] <furrywolf> zeeshan: use less flow, get bigger tanks, switch to a process where you can use CO2, do less welding? :P
[18:27:20] <zeeshan> what do you think a 330cf tank is
[18:27:25] <zeeshan> its the biggest one you can get portable
[18:27:30] <zeeshan> :P
[18:28:13] <zeeshan> well usually i run 20cfh
[18:28:26] <zeeshan> so a tank is good for 16.5 h of weld time
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[18:28:42] <zeeshan> but backpurging eats a shit load of gas =/
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[18:30:13] <zeeshan> what have you been up to furry
[18:30:39] <zeeshan> ive been looking at rotary tables locally
[18:30:41] <zeeshan> they are damn expensive
[18:31:47] <furrywolf> heh
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[18:35:43] <furrywolf> what're you welding that needs purging?
[18:35:52] <zeeshan> thin stainless tubing
[18:36:39] <furrywolf> that needs purging?
[18:36:46] <zeeshan> yea otherwise it sugars
[18:37:05] <CaptHindsight> build yourself an airtight welding room, fill it once with nitrogen at the start of the day
[18:37:21] <furrywolf> process pipeline? usually I figure things like that are irrelevant for most home welding projects. heh.
[18:38:05] <zeeshan> its not my stuff
[18:38:07] <zeeshan> its for someone
[18:38:22] <zeeshan> thin stainless tubing is common for a lot of car stuff too
[18:38:29] <zeeshan> most exhaust and intercooler
[18:38:29] <furrywolf> I need a tig welder, but every one I see is ungodly expensive.
[18:38:40] <furrywolf> exhaust doesn't need sanitary-grade welds. lol
[18:38:52] <zeeshan> you want a smooth inside pipe
[18:39:07] <zeeshan> and the weld to be strong
[18:39:50] <zeeshan> ive had a wastegate dump crack on me before
[18:39:52] <furrywolf> ... you do realize 99% or so of exhaust work is MIG with CO2, right? even at the muffler shop?
[18:39:52] <zeeshan> cause i didnt back purge it
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[18:40:01] <zeeshan> yea crappy exhaust work
[18:40:03] <zeeshan> is done using mig
[18:40:13] <furrywolf> by that definition, 99% of vehicles have crappy exhaust work. :P
[18:40:17] <zeeshan> race car fab is never done using mig
[18:40:24] <zeeshan> i don't work on crappy cars :P
[18:40:27] <zeeshan> i'm not a mechanic!
[18:40:41] <furrywolf> lol
[18:40:54] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Mr RX7 has spoken.
[18:41:01] <furrywolf> my favorite is the shops that don't bother welding the top half of the pipe, because it's harder to get to. :P
[18:41:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tdO2nod.jpg
[18:41:15] <zeeshan> i work on stuff like this
[18:41:32] <zeeshan> id post pics of this stuff, but the guy is pretty hush hush about his car
[18:41:44] <zeeshan> and the other thing is some art sculpture
[18:41:46] <furrywolf> ... what is it?
[18:42:00] <zeeshan> the part?
[18:42:01] <_methods> nitrous
[18:42:38] <furrywolf> I made a little fuel surge tank once by getting a length of 2" copper pipe, two end caps, soldering, then drilling and tapping for 1/4npt and soldering fittings in. did you know that if you buy a foot of pipe and two endcaps, the guy at the hardware store gives you a very wary look?
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[18:42:57] <zeeshan> lol
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[18:43:51] <zeeshan> to be honest, i dont back purge anything for my own stuff except the exhaust manifold
[18:43:56] <furrywolf> I ended up not using it... used the stock fuel filter as a tank. :P
[18:44:04] <zeeshan> i think the .5% of sugarging on the exhaust pipes
[18:44:11] * furrywolf made a very... unusual fuel system.
[18:44:12] <zeeshan> or intercooler pipes isn't going to cause a huge performance issues
[18:44:14] <zeeshan> but some people are anal
[18:44:20] <zeeshan> and they pay for it
[18:44:45] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/crappyfueldiagram.png
[18:45:07] <zeeshan> why does the drawing of the add money here
[18:45:09] <zeeshan> have a dick with 2 balls
[18:45:28] <furrywolf> ...
[18:45:31] <furrywolf> it doesn't?
[18:45:35] <zeeshan> i see two balls
[18:45:40] <zeeshan> and a dick pointing in the tank
[18:45:50] <furrywolf> apparantly you think about dicks and balls more than most people?
[18:45:53] <furrywolf> bbl, someone out front
[18:45:55] <zeeshan> :]
[18:46:06] <zeeshan> whats the pe to ke converter for
[18:46:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.totallyscrewedmachineshop.com/documents/FoundationsofMechanicalAccuracy.pdf - page 36 'inadequately rigid straight edges'
[18:47:59] <zeeshan> skimmed through a paper:
[18:48:01] <zeeshan> Test results showed that surface roughness due to severe sugaring could potentially compromise mechanical properties and crack initiation sites if subsurface defects are created. Basic mechanical data (bends, tensile and hardness measurements) showed little affect due to sugaring. Corrosion tests (ASTM Practice A, C and E) also showed no detrimental affects produced by the various degrees of sugar
[18:48:13] <zeeshan> so basically you're hurting the fatigue life of it
[18:48:19] <zeeshan> static stuff is not a problem
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[18:53:55] <zeeshan> come back furry!
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[18:56:48] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: Mr Fusion unit?
[18:57:48] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/DeLorean_DMC-12_Time_Machine_-_Mr._Fusion.JPG
[18:58:12] <zeeshan> haha
[18:58:15] <zeeshan> nice an fittings :)
[18:58:17] <zeeshan> jig
[18:58:18] <zeeshan> jic
[18:58:37] <CaptHindsight> funny seeing it up close and what they used
[18:59:39] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/W3JBp.png interesting
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[19:14:44] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Did you know that none of the actors were told about the chest-burster when they filmed the scene?
[19:14:59] <FinboySlick> Director wanted a 'genuine look of surprise'.
[19:16:14] <FinboySlick> They were also being sprayed with real blood (albeit from a butcher shop).
[19:18:44] <CaptHindsight> yes, been a fan of Ridley Scott since then
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[19:19:11] <CaptHindsight> hope they don't screw up the Blade Runner sequel
[19:19:31] <FinboySlick> Unlike most, I kind of liked Prometeus.
[19:20:22] <FinboySlick> Though I must say some characters were blindingly stupid.
[19:21:53] <CaptHindsight> I haven't seen it from start to finish in one showing, only in 5-6 overlapping views not in sequence
[19:23:14] <FinboySlick> When asked if I'm more of a Starwars or Startrek type, I do always answer that I'm an Alien type.
[19:25:31] <_methods> i thought prometheus was good too
[19:25:35] <_methods> not sure what all the hate was about
[19:26:37] <FinboySlick> To be honest, the only thing I didn't enjoy in the franchise was the last 15 or so minutes of Aliens 4. And the movie is perfectly fine if you stop it at that point.
[19:27:04] <CaptHindsight> Galaxy Quest.. I'm more older 1st gen Trek fan than Star Wars, I like older scifi from the 50-60's
[19:27:05] <_methods> that crazy human/alien/baby monster
[19:27:15] <FinboySlick> _methods: Yeah.
[19:27:28] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Forbidden Planet is one of my favorite sci-fi.
[19:27:29] <_methods> i actually liked all the alien movies
[19:28:16] <skunksleep> Zombies
[19:28:31] <FinboySlick> Though in the 'recent' sci-fi. I must say that District 9 was a gem.
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[19:28:41] <_methods> hell yeah
[19:28:46] <_methods> one of my fav movies
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[19:29:00] <_methods> have you ever seen altered?
[19:29:08] <FinboySlick> I don't think so.
[19:29:12] <_methods> heh
[19:29:31] <_methods> well if you ever get a chance it was a real under the radar scifi movie
[19:29:40] <_methods> and it's a blast
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[19:31:04] <CaptHindsight> alien, time travel, anything futuristic,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toLbQd9uriI
[19:31:12] <FinboySlick> _methods: For some reason, that made me think of Dreamcatcher.
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[19:31:31] <_methods> yeah it's like dreamcatcher but kinda better i think
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[19:32:08] <CaptHindsight> the new 12 Monkeys series has been well done
[19:32:19] <CaptHindsight> think it's on SciFi
[19:32:26] <_methods> yeah
[19:32:36] <FinboySlick> That sounds interesting.
[19:32:40] <_methods> i love the movie so i don't want to watch the tv show
[19:32:52] <CaptHindsight> it's very different
[19:32:57] <CaptHindsight> similar plot
[19:33:24] <FinboySlick> There's a super-low budget time travel movie that was brilliant though it tortured my brain. Trying to remember the title.
[19:33:31] <CaptHindsight> The Man in the High Castle also looks good
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle_%28TV_series%29
[19:33:33] <_methods> primer
[19:33:49] <CaptHindsight> they used that storage location?
[19:33:57] <_methods> that was primer
[19:34:20] <FinboySlick> Yeah, Primer :)
[19:34:27] <Loetmichel> *hihi* $me just went on a killing spree... wife forgot an apple in the kitchen fruit bowl... so we had a BUNCH of Fruit flies... just got out my old trusty shopvac, filled it ith a few cm of NaOH solution and have gone on a hunt.... didtn count it but i think i got about 1000 of these critters dying in the caustic soup afterwards... [cue: evil laughter]
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[19:35:41] <_methods> wasn't high castle a book or something
[19:35:44] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: But that's weapons of mass destruction. Conventional warfare rules dictate that you use:
http://bugasalt.com/
[19:35:50] <_methods> vaguely remember reading that or something
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[19:36:08] <_methods> is that the nazi thing?
[19:36:26] <CaptHindsight> _methods: yes if they had won wwII
[19:36:47] <_methods> was that a philip dick story
[19:36:57] <CaptHindsight> yes
[19:37:01] <_methods> ahhh
[19:37:12] <_methods> wondered why that sounded familiar lol
[19:37:19] <_methods> is that out?
[19:37:25] <_methods> i wouldn't mind watching that
[19:37:27] <CaptHindsight> it's on Amamzon for free
[19:37:32] <_methods> ah cool
[19:37:34] <CaptHindsight> or find a torrent
[19:37:39] <_methods> i guess i know what i'm watching tonight
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[19:37:46] <CaptHindsight> they made one episode to get response
[19:38:01] <CaptHindsight> it might be to cerebral for most people
[19:38:38] <FinboySlick> Speaking of high-culture, you guys watched the 'prequel' to Breaking Bad yet?
[19:38:45] <_methods> well it was based on a book so that means about 95% of the current population is ruled out
[19:38:53] <_methods> yeah saul?
[19:38:54] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: is it?
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[19:39:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-High-Castle/dp/B00RSGFRY8
[19:39:19] <_methods> i have prime so i'll watch that tonight
[19:39:21] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I own a couple, they're incredibly satisfying to use.
[19:39:42] <CaptHindsight> I can't make myself watch anything gang, mob or prison dramas
[19:40:15] <CaptHindsight> grew up Chicago with the real thing :)
[19:40:16] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Hmmm... I wouldn't consider Either BB or Better Call Saul to be very related to any of those.
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[19:40:39] <FinboySlick> New Mexico crime scene isn't very comparable to Chicago :)
[19:40:57] <_methods> well saul is good
[19:41:11] <_methods> i'd say so far it's equal to breaking bad
[19:41:12] <CaptHindsight> same stuff different people
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[19:41:55] <McUles> how can i do a manual toolchange when a programm is running?
[19:42:08] <_methods> wtf
[19:42:08] <zeeshan> m6
[19:42:16] <zeeshan> or pause the spindle
[19:42:20] <zeeshan> ;-)
[19:42:28] <zeeshan> ^ prolly not safe
[19:43:02] * JT-Shop needs to make a bipod for the pyrometer
[19:44:08] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I don't think you'd find the 'mood' in BB to be very similar to typical crime drama so I still recommend it but hey, to each their own.
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[19:44:35] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: tried it, didn't care for it
[19:44:46] <FinboySlick> ok
[19:44:53] <_methods> yeah i can't watch that motorcycle gang show
[19:44:57] <McUles> i paused the program and tried to execute m6 via the MDI, but the command was not recognized :(
[19:44:58] <_methods> sons of anarchy
[19:45:27] <CaptHindsight> I just knew too many people like that growing up
[19:45:42] <FinboySlick> _methods: I thought I'd like it but it didn't reach me at all. I think it's mostly because the characters aren't relate-able.
[19:46:06] <_methods> yeah i have no idea
[19:46:10] <_methods> everyone loves it
[19:46:12] <_methods> but i can't stand it
[19:46:22] <FinboySlick> Two brilliant (and short) series last year were 'True Detective' and 'Fargo'.
[19:46:33] <_methods> yeah true detective was great
[19:46:42] <_methods> probably one of the best tv shows i've ever seen
[19:46:49] <FinboySlick> _methods: You tried fargo?
[19:47:06] <CaptHindsight> the BBC version of Shameless was interesting, the Chicago version is like walking down the street
[19:47:34] <_methods> no i haven't watched fargo
[19:47:45] <_methods> i watched the movie years ago lol
[19:48:04] <FinboySlick> _methods: Do yourself a favor. It's not (really) related to the movie, though there are little winks at it.
[19:48:25] <_methods> i shouldn't be watching anything lol
[19:48:28] <_methods> i should be doing stuff
[19:48:29] <_methods> heheh
[19:48:36] <CaptHindsight> and I'm glad the US version of IT Crowd was never made
[19:48:59] <CaptHindsight> ever see Danger 5?
[19:49:17] <CaptHindsight> by the same guy that made Italian Spiderman
[19:49:30] <FinboySlick> I don't think that could work. Hear they did a fair job with the US version of 'The Office', but it still can't live up to the original, which I also highly recommend.
[19:50:16] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Not familiar with it. Is it anything like 'The Man from U.N.C.L.E.' which Guy Ritchie is remaking?
[19:50:19] <JT-Shop> do you put any oil on the taper of a tool holder?
[19:50:27] <CaptHindsight> I think I watch more foreign TV
[19:50:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z09bNgSeMI DANGER 5 TRAILER
[19:51:05] <_methods> JT-Shop: like a r8 collet?
[19:51:14] <_methods> or a cat holder?
[19:52:07] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: combo of Power rangers, Thunderbirds, Get Smart etc
[19:52:10] <_methods> if i do it's just a quick wipe down but i don't like oil them up out of habit
[19:52:19] <cradek> JT-Shop: nope
[19:52:22] <zeeshan> cat40 is ok withoil
[19:52:23] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: There's some brilliant asian movies. For example, the original (don't bother with the US remake) OldBoy.
[19:52:29] <zeeshan> since the drive dogs drive it
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[19:52:41] <cradek> JT-Shop: why do you want that? not releasing?
[19:52:46] <FinboySlick> I've seen Danger5 on netflix, I'll check it out.
[19:52:47] <zeeshan> like i put boeshield on mine
[19:52:50] <zeeshan> and wipe it off clean
[19:52:55] <zeeshan> so you have a really thin residue
[19:53:05] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: and all the horror films they did first were much better
[19:53:33] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: You seen The Raid (1 and 2)?
[19:53:45] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: the first season is the 60's the second in the 80's
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[19:54:21] <zeeshan> i bet if you doused it with oil it'd prolly stick even more :P
[19:54:30] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: thanks I'll check it out
[19:54:51] <_methods> well you don't want a bunch of oil residue building up in your machine taper
[19:55:06] <zeeshan> yea i'd never have a liquid there
[19:55:20] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It's not horror, simple Indonesian action movie but brilliant.
[19:55:24] <zeeshan> i always clean my tools with lint free and the spindle every 10 tool changes
[19:56:10] <_methods> what do you have a tool change counter
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> someone send me 2 shell mill holders
[19:56:19] <_methods> you got chalk board by the machine lol
[19:56:22] <zeeshan> .75" shank
[19:56:24] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: IFC used to have been foreign films
[19:56:26] <zeeshan> _methods nahh
[19:56:28] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Oldboy is a pretty clever Korean adventure/revenge movie.
[19:56:29] <_methods> some tool change tracking beads
[19:56:29] <zeeshan> estimate
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[19:56:31] <CaptHindsight> been/better
[19:56:52] <zeeshan> the worse is when you get coolant o nthe damn taper
[19:56:53] <CaptHindsight> saw oldbpy
[19:57:01] <zeeshan> ive seen that stucck gunk up the spindle at work before
[19:57:04] <zeeshan> old job
[19:57:18] <zeeshan> - stucck
[19:57:42] <_methods> yeah those taper cleaners are handy to keep around
[19:57:44] <JT-Shop> cradek, yea, it kinda pops when they come out
[19:57:46] <_methods> taper wiper
[19:58:02] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: 'The Man from Nowhere' is pretty darn good too.
[19:58:32] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: are you doing long cuts with them?
[19:58:33] <JT-Shop> a BT30 holder
[19:58:39] <zeeshan> or does it happen all the time
[19:58:53] <JT-Shop> well sometimes I forget to take them out...
[19:58:54] <cradek> might try the opposite - clean everything with scotchbrite and then alcohol to remove the oil
[19:59:08] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[19:59:08] <_methods> ^^
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[19:59:29] <_methods> have you used a taper wiper on the machine before?
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[19:59:41] <zeeshan> never
[20:00:03] <_methods> http://imts.rego-fix.com/downloads/SpindleCareAccessories.pdf
[20:00:24] <zeeshan> nice
[20:00:34] <_methods> if i get one hanging tools i'll hit it with a taper wiper
[20:01:14] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I look for the original versions with English subtitles, the dubs are always bad
[20:01:42] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Likewise. Otherwise you skip most of the actor's good work.
[20:01:58] <JT-Shop> don't have a taper wiper
[20:02:25] <zeeshan> fingers and lint free
[20:02:26] <zeeshan> ;-)
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[20:04:29] <bobo_> zeeshan: hgrinc.com #0315-140-0095 ------ #0315-140-0096 your wish just arrived !
[20:04:33] <_methods> heh they have some on shars
[20:04:35] <zeeshan> bobo
[20:04:42] <zeeshan> couldnt see em
[20:04:43] <_methods> $12.50 lol
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[20:06:33] <bobo_> zeeshan: too bad you don't have a sand blaster for cleaning them up
[20:06:43] <zeeshan> ?
[20:07:00] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: LOL this review of the twilight series
http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight
[20:07:12] <bobo_> the hgr things
[20:07:13] <zeeshan> Your search 0315-140-0095 did not match any item
[20:07:46] <bobo_> I will look again
[20:08:12] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I consider myself very lucky to have had very little exposure to the franchise.
[20:08:43] <CaptHindsight> it ended up on the TV behind me
[20:08:53] <CaptHindsight> had to see what it was about
[20:10:13] <CaptHindsight> thought it might be some type of alien propaganda film to kill brain cells before the invasion
[20:11:14] <JT-Shop> last part done on the VMC :)
[20:12:20] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: The oatmeal is pretty much always good :)
[20:14:55] <bobo_> zeeshan: hgrinc.com + new arrivals + FIXTURE / WORK TABLE #0315-140-0095 try that
[20:15:37] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Cholmonley+Warner these are really well done
[20:16:35] <zeeshan> haha bobo
[20:16:36] <zeeshan> nice
[20:16:48] <zeeshan> i would just evaporust em
[20:17:01] <zeeshan> but theyre kinda small
[20:18:22] <bobo_> would work on the mill
[20:18:40] <zeeshan> i want a 12"x12"x5" block
[20:19:23] <bobo_> pick pick pickey
[20:19:30] <zeeshan> :]
[20:19:39] <zeeshan> honestly i think a 246 block will work aslo
[20:19:45] <zeeshan> ive been keeping an eye for them
[20:20:59] <bobo_> 2-4-6 chunk of junk yard ssteel and mill it
[20:22:21] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: full film on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOZY5Ngy_Ns
[20:22:23] <zeeshan> actually i was thinking of doing this
[20:22:28] <zeeshan> buying a big chunk of aluminum
[20:22:35] <bobo_> hgr also has a Maho 500W for sale wish I had space
[20:22:38] <zeeshan> and usingf that :p
[20:22:42] <zeeshan> bobo get it!
[20:22:43] <zeeshan> bobo get it!
[20:22:43] <zeeshan> bobo get it!
[20:23:02] <zeeshan> 3000
[20:23:04] <zeeshan> not badf
[20:23:23] <bobo_> can I store it in your garage ?
[20:23:28] <zeeshan> no
[20:23:28] <zeeshan> :]
[20:23:42] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That's the movie though I'm not sure I'd watch it that way.
[20:23:53] <bobo_> bumer
[20:24:43] <JT-Shop> cleaning the spindle taper fixed it, thanks
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[20:25:21] <FinboySlick> They accelerated parts of the movie to avoid content detection,.
[20:25:49] <CaptHindsight> easy enough to find
[20:25:56] <_methods> JT-Shop: cool
[20:25:59] <CaptHindsight> bbl
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[20:26:16] <_methods> the taper wipers are just a luxury item
[20:26:29] <_methods> but it does make it much easier to clean the taper
[20:26:35] <zeeshan> you thinkso?
[20:26:41] <zeeshan> you dont think the gunk would jam on it
[20:26:48] <zeeshan> so you'd have to keep washing them
[20:26:56] <_methods> what?
[20:26:56] <zeeshan> vs using lint free and throwing it away
[20:27:08] <zeeshan> you know when you wipe oil with something
[20:27:20] <_methods> have you ever used a taper wiper?
[20:27:23] <zeeshan> it absorbs it to some point and then at some point it'll just spread it around
[20:27:24] <zeeshan> nope
[20:27:35] <_methods> ah
[20:27:39] <zeeshan> http://www.techniksusa.com/images2008/accessories/Spindle_wiper_l.jpg
[20:27:41] <zeeshan> im looking at that
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[20:27:47] <_methods> it's basically ike a windshield wiper
[20:27:49] <zeeshan> it looks like cloth that absorbs crrap
[20:27:50] <_methods> you just hose it off
[20:29:33] <bobo_> zeeshan that 500W has (I think ) a servo motor on the spindel drive ---- see the blower /motor on end of spindle motor ? you need to get it an linux cnc it
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[20:36:51] <zeeshan> servo motor for automatic tool changer poisitoning?
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[20:41:50] <bobo_> DC spindle motor whit a blower for cooling
[20:42:33] <bobo_> also has rotary table
[20:42:47] <zeeshan> get it! :P
[20:43:17] <bobo_> no room at this inn
[20:43:36] <zeeshan> get a steel container
[20:43:39] <zeeshan> turn it into a workshop
[20:43:42] <zeeshan> i might do tha t:-)
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[20:47:47] <bobo_> zeeshan If I had any place to put it , I would have it-----
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[20:55:13] <bobo_> bbL
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[21:30:48] <furrywolf> not too much at yard sales today... only big thing was a sansui au-717. spent too much, but it's a decent amp.
[21:31:20] <zeeshan> no wonder you cant buy a tig welder
[21:31:26] <zeeshan> you go to yard sales every weekend! :P
[21:31:48] <zeeshan> furrywolf: do you think it'd be too hard to build one on your own?
[21:31:52] <zeeshan> as far as i understand
[21:31:57] <furrywolf> yes
[21:32:06] <zeeshan> it's transistors that switch on and off
[21:32:12] <zeeshan> to get a wave form that looks like:
[21:32:15] <zeeshan> ______________
[21:32:16] <the_wench> http://www.kuroda-precision.com/products/ball_screws/QandA/BS_QandA_001.htm and
http://machinedesign.com/site-files/machinedesign.com/files/archive/motionsystemdesign.com/images/typical-evaluation-checks.jpg and
http://www.beaver-online.com/uploaded/files/Critical%20Speed%20Formula.pdf
[21:32:30] <zeeshan> like it rises
[21:32:37] <zeeshan> then goes to AC mode if needed
[21:32:41] <zeeshan> and then ramps down
[21:33:13] <zeeshan> and then you play with square wave
[21:33:17] <zeeshan> soft squarewave, etc
[21:33:50] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sansui-AU-717-Integrated-Amplifier-/331451650816
[21:33:50] <zeeshan> so basically the input stage is kinda like a vfd
[21:34:07] <zeeshan> you get filltered dc, then you pass it through an inverter to do whatever you want to do
[21:34:23] <zeeshan> furrywolf: nice!
[21:34:25] <zeeshan> sell it on ebay :D
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[21:34:37] <furrywolf> yes, do you know that switching welding currents is non-trivial, and not "just some transistors"? :P
[21:34:52] <zeeshan> well isn't it just a bunch of igbts
[21:34:54] <zeeshan> power transistors
[21:35:23] <furrywolf> there's no "just" when currents like that are involved.
[21:35:31] <furrywolf> it's why chinese inverter units promptly fail.
[21:35:51] <TekniQue> correct
[21:35:52] <zeeshan> http://www.thompdale.com/tig_controller/tig.htm
[21:36:04] <zeeshan> i wouldnt build one
[21:36:05] <zeeshan> just sayin :P
[21:36:24] <TekniQue> and IGBTs are extra pissy about proper treatment
[21:36:32] <TekniQue> they don't switch like mosfets
[21:36:43] <TekniQue> very, very far from mosfets in switching performance
[21:36:54] <zeeshan> well just for your info
[21:37:01] <zeeshan> i bought some accessories for the lincoln gun parts
[21:37:04] <zeeshan> all the packages say made in china
[21:37:14] <TekniQue> made in china is okay
[21:37:16] <zeeshan> so now i'm pretty convinced they must be getting their parts from china
[21:37:20] <TekniQue> but designed in china is doomed to fail
[21:37:21] <zeeshan> i know my welder had a msde in usa sticker
[21:37:34] <zeeshan> have you heard of everlast welders?
[21:37:47] <zeeshan> apparently they were designed by some dude in canada
[21:37:51] <zeeshan> and they are built in china
[21:38:00] <zeeshan> i have their plasma cutter. seems to work ok
[21:38:46] <zeeshan> http://www.everlastwelders.ca/tigwelders/powertig-200-dx-d.php
[21:38:51] <zeeshan> thats the rip of the 200dx by miller
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[21:41:14] <zeeshan> http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/rabemotorsports/Dynasty200DXpoints.jpg
[21:41:16] <zeeshan> this welder is so sexy
[21:41:49] <Tom_itx> on memory, what is PC3 8500 compared to PC3 10666?
[21:42:09] <_methods> unless you're overclockin i wouldn't worry about it
[21:42:15] <_methods> get whichever one is cheaper
[21:42:20] <Tom_itx> same
[21:42:29] <Tom_itx> that's why i asked
[21:42:29] <_methods> get higher speed then
[21:42:34] <Tom_itx> 10666?
[21:42:38] <_methods> ueah
[21:42:39] <_methods> yeah
[21:42:50] <_methods> won't really matter unless you're overclockin your ram
[21:43:18] <_methods> will your mobo take both speeds?
[21:43:28] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[21:43:33] <_methods> i'd double check
[21:43:39] <Tom_itx> Q1900B itx
[21:44:00] <Tom_itx> DDR3 1333/1066
[21:44:02] <_methods> yeah
[21:44:05] <Tom_itx> both?
[21:44:08] <_methods> it will take up to 1333
[21:44:24] <Tom_itx> so the 10666 is ok?
[21:44:25] <_methods> i'd grab the 1066
[21:44:27] <_methods> yah
[21:44:29] <Tom_itx> k
[21:44:48] <asdfasd> <TekniQue> but designed in china is doomed to fail
[21:45:06] <asdfasd> it doesnt matter where is designed, I have seen designs designed to fail
[21:45:35] <asdfasd> some time pretty much accurate 1 month after warranty :)
[21:46:34] <SpeedEvil> I am really grateful that the EU has pretty-much mandated 2 year consumer warranties on stuff
[21:47:12] <SpeedEvil> I mean - yes -I understnad the increased cost arguments - but...
[21:47:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/yn1gp.jpg
[21:47:48] <zeeshan> lol
[21:47:49] <zeeshan> hahah
[21:50:20] <LeelooMinai> Why do I get an impression that you poke this thing with a finger and it will topple over?
[21:50:34] <zeeshan> thats a terrible weld!
[21:50:41] <zeeshan> but i think itll hold
[21:50:42] <furrywolf> someone needs to learn how to grind. :P
[21:51:01] <SpeedEvil> A branch of welding - like TIG, but using a butter knife as an electrode.
[21:51:07] <LeelooMinai> I think same effect can be achieved with applying playdough
[21:51:21] <furrywolf> grinding and paint fixes all bad welds.
[21:52:02] <asdfasd> it could be worst so.... haha :)
[21:52:11] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: You did that? :) Sorry...
[21:52:36] * LeelooMinai bites her tongue several times
[21:53:17] <LeelooMinai> My comments were for theoretical non-zeeshan that would do that of course:)
[21:53:37] <Tom_itx> that doesn't look stuck to anything
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[21:54:17] <LeelooMinai> It's a friction weld
[21:54:34] <LeelooMinai> Damn, ok, I am not writing anything any more
[21:54:36] <Tom_itx> a press fit would hold better than that
[21:54:51] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: haha don't put me down like that
[21:55:04] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: I am trying! But...
[21:55:11] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ExZWkHZ.jpg
[21:55:14] <zeeshan> thats what im currently working on
[21:55:15] <Tom_itx> did you clean the surfaces prior?
[21:55:22] <zeeshan> thats what a weld is supposed to look like
[21:55:25] <zeeshan> not before
[21:55:30] <zeeshan> i was just posting some other guys pic
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[21:55:40] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[21:55:42] <LeelooMinai> I ok, I am good then!
[21:56:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/v6Evp7c.jpg
[21:56:20] <zeeshan> moar
[21:56:30] <LeelooMinai> That other one was almost like someone made a socket by welding and put a pipe in it.
[21:57:12] <zeeshan> haha
[21:57:14] <Tom_itx> sure hope they're not applying for aircraft work
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[21:57:23] <zeeshan> its a noob mistake
[21:57:35] <zeeshan> when you weld steel you can pretty much start welding right away
[21:57:43] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:57:51] <zeeshan> with thin aluminum like he/she was doing
[21:58:00] * furrywolf doesn't have a tig welder, and has never been able to afford one, so probably sucks at using one
[21:58:03] <zeeshan> you gotta sit there for like 45 min till the puddle appears
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[21:58:08] <zeeshan> min = sec
[21:58:17] <zeeshan> then dip the filler
[21:58:23] <zeeshan> the person was trying to dip the filler before the puddle formed
[21:58:28] <zeeshan> so it just rolls back
[21:58:30] <Tom_itx> pulsed tig?
[21:58:44] <zeeshan> regular tig
[21:58:46] <zeeshan> no need for pulse
[21:58:47] <Tom_itx> you just about need one of those for thin aluminum
[21:59:06] <zeeshan> well if youre doing less than .0625 " yes
[21:59:08] <Tom_itx> that doesn't look that thin though
[21:59:29] <zeeshan> the shitty weld pic looks like the base material is 1/16
[21:59:34] <zeeshan> and who know swhatr the tube is
[21:59:55] <Tom_itx> doesn't matter... they didn't touch it
[21:59:59] <zeeshan> hah
[22:00:13] <zeeshan> ive tried to weld aluminum cans together
[22:00:15] <zeeshan> my welder cant do it
[22:00:23] <zeeshan> even at the 5 amp + pulse
[22:00:24] <Tom_itx> you need pulsed for that
[22:00:27] <zeeshan> i just suck
[22:00:39] <Tom_itx> i've never tried aluminum
[22:00:48] <Tom_itx> i did try it once with mig just to see
[22:01:01] <zeeshan> it prolly looked like it was just crattering
[22:01:05] <zeeshan> sinkholing away
[22:01:06] <_methods> heh that was like the weld test at a shop i worked at
[22:01:07] <Tom_itx> wasted a bottle of argon
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[22:01:16] <Tom_itx> just messin around
[22:01:18] <_methods> you had to weld coke cans in t
[22:01:30] <zeeshan> haha methods thats crazy
[22:01:38] <zeeshan> but i dont know if that really tests someones practical ability
[22:01:45] <zeeshan> cause you'd never weld something that thin
[22:01:51] <_methods> it's just to weed out the bullshitters
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[22:02:03] <_methods> there are lot of welders that say that they can weld
[22:02:10] <zeeshan> if i were to test someone to weld something
[22:02:14] <_methods> then you put em on a rig and all of a sudden they don't know how
[22:02:26] <zeeshan> it'd be aluminum and they'd have to do it underneath something
[22:02:36] <zeeshan> =D
[22:04:53] <furrywolf> a relative's weld tests were to butt two 1/2" by 3" bars together, then bend it 180 degrees. if there was any cracking, you failed.
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[22:05:55] <LeelooMinai> Than this weld was not so bad - look like they managed to get the pipe to 90 deg
[22:11:15] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I have APC replacement battery here that sat in the basement for at least 1 year
[22:11:43] <LeelooMinai> First I though it probably is dead, but I measure 12.45V
[22:12:20] <LeelooMinai> So I would like to charg it with this Turnigy charger I have, but there's no data for it anywhere.
[22:13:07] <LeelooMinai> Is there some way I can find out what voltages correspond to what capacity for such battery?
[22:13:36] <zeeshan> just do the pull out test
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[22:13:48] <zeeshan> get your mind out the gutter!
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[22:14:17] <LeelooMinai> The what-test?
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[22:15:13] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps41752af4.jpg
[22:15:15] <zeeshan> you basically do this
[22:15:41] <zeeshan> in ferrous materials you should see the base material break before the weld
[22:16:11] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, I thought that you suggested I do this with the battery:)
[22:16:19] <zeeshan> lol
[22:16:47] <zeeshan> what kind of battery is it?
[22:17:00] <zeeshan> electrolytic? gel?
[22:17:01] <LeelooMinai> It's some kind of sealed lead
[22:17:24] <LeelooMinai> They look like this:
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=RBC18
[22:17:41] <zeeshan> electrolytic
[22:18:03] <LeelooMinai> Don't now why there's no infomation about any voltages, except they are 12V
[22:18:15] <LeelooMinai> So I have no idea how to set the charger
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[22:18:41] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, lead acid
[22:19:03] <zeeshan> well its just like one type of car battery
[22:19:15] <zeeshan> 12.7V means 100% state of charge
[22:19:18] <zeeshan> 12.7-12.8
[22:19:28] <zeeshan> 12.0V is like 50%
[22:19:44] <LeelooMinai> Not sure what "suspended" means. I know there are basic flooded ones, and sealed with valves, and then AGM and gel
[22:19:45] <zeeshan> so i guess yours would be around 75%?
[22:19:59] <LeelooMinai> But where did you get 12.7 from?
[22:20:07] <zeeshan> working on cars
[22:20:11] <zeeshan> car manuals
[22:20:26] <LeelooMinai> But is it the same for all kinds of those batteries?
[22:20:48] <zeeshan> i would thinkso because its pretty consistent number between cars
[22:20:54] <zeeshan> regardless of battery capacity
[22:21:17] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, so maybe the default for lead batteries in this charger will do the right thing
[22:21:42] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://manins.net.au/motorhome/images/stateofcharge.png&imgrefurl=http://forum.club8090.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f%3D39%26t%3D122048&h=334&w=457&tbnid=MhZGkKW2J0r3eM:&zoom=1&docid=HY1U4D2iSUU8iM&ei=5WMgVcGFJJKayASpgYKgCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CCMQMygFMAU
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> fak
[22:21:46] <zeeshan> http://manins.net.au/motorhome/images/stateofcharge.png
[22:22:17] <LeelooMinai> Heh, right, so maybe I did not let it die completely - good.
[22:22:38] <LeelooMinai> I forgot it was in the basement
[22:23:07] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: BTW, did you get any DAQ? I remember you were looking for it.
[22:23:19] <zeeshan> im using a rasp berry pi 2
[22:23:23] <zeeshan> and gpio
[22:23:31] <LeelooMinai> But it has no analog
[22:23:36] <zeeshan> thats okay
[22:23:39] <zeeshan> will use adc
[22:24:03] <malcom2073> I got a couple i2c ADC's for the pi, they work pretty well
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[22:24:07] <LeelooMinai> 2? Are they even being sold?
[22:24:22] <LeelooMinai> I looked once and they were out off stock everywhere
[22:24:43] <LeelooMinai> Like a week ago:)
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[22:26:10] <zeeshan> i got it from canakit
[22:26:12] <zeeshan> they had it in stock
[22:26:19] <zeeshan> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-kit.html
[22:26:21] <zeeshan> still do ;p
[22:27:09] <LeelooMinai> I have old one - I plan to use it for my solar setup
[22:27:49] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: those agilent multimeters
[22:27:52] <zeeshan> are so good!
[22:27:58] <zeeshan> you can hook up a bridge circuit right to it
[22:28:03] <LeelooMinai> Sure, but are they cheap - no:)
[22:28:08] <zeeshan> no :(
[22:28:11] <zeeshan> like 700$
[22:28:13] <zeeshan> one day!
[22:28:14] <LeelooMinai> ...
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[22:29:04] <zeeshan> i was working with the formula hybrid guys on thu night
[22:29:06] <zeeshan> they got this:
[22:29:17] <LeelooMinai> H,, I don't know how PI 2 was supposed to be $5 and they have it with power supply for $70
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[22:29:26] <LeelooMinai> $35*
[22:29:31] <zeeshan> MDO4054B-6
[22:29:42] <zeeshan> i looked it up, its got a list price of 21100 LOL
[22:30:03] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: it comes with a sd card
[22:30:04] <zeeshan> case
[22:30:08] <zeeshan> wifi stick
[22:30:18] <LeelooMinai> I am talking about this:
http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-2-basic-kit.html
[22:30:34] <zeeshan> yea that one is a rip
[22:30:39] <zeeshan> actually nm
[22:30:49] <zeeshan> okay it is a rip
[22:31:12] <LeelooMinai> Cannot they just sell bare one? :)
[22:31:15] <zeeshan> you can definitely get it cheaper.. i just wanted a kit with a case and everything with no hassles
[22:31:21] <zeeshan> and already in canada
[22:31:25] <zeeshan> so no bs brokerage
[22:32:02] <zeeshan> one day i will have a nice scope
[22:32:05] <zeeshan> and a nice multimeter
[22:42:57] <furrywolf> I'll trade you a nice multimeter for a nice tig welder. :P
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[23:42:33] <furrywolf> got two yard sale ratchets that need cleaning... the matco is done, appears to be a craftsman with a different forging - all internals are the same. the s-k needs more time in the ultrasonic cleaner.
[23:43:12] <furrywolf> needless to say, the matco sucks.
[23:47:52] <furrywolf> of the ratchets I've had apart lately, the Easco is the neatest. buy them if you find them. :)
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[23:51:28] <furrywolf> it uses two separate ratchet mechanisms 1/2 tooth apart, to double the fineness while still using strong teeth, and to make sure that when it gets old and skips, it only skips half a tooth, not putting your knuckles into something sharp.
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