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[00:00:25] <MrFluffy> or 3 pin mains plugs in the uk, whoever invented them was a sado machocist
[00:00:47] <MrFluffy> they have a flat back, with 3 very rigid brass pointed pins which always stick upwards
[00:01:02] <MrFluffy> they are magnetic for feet in the dark
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[00:05:25] <MrFluffy> Why would you have a radio tower inside your house where it will be attenuated by the walls anyway!
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[00:05:50] <tjtr33> andypugh, ROFL, spot on "Thats a dude man!"
[00:07:31] <MrFluffy> Before I met the current mrs fluffy, I lived in a house I shared with a relative also into bikes and we set fire to the kitchen carpet once building a bike in there...
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[00:14:40] <andypugh> That’s just stupid. Who puts a carpet in a kitchen?
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[00:15:28] <tjtr33> who? some barefoot guy working on a lathe ( ducks )
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[00:20:38] <MrFluffy> Well connecting spindle-enable <= motion.spindle-on has the gui looking promising, I am just going to have to trapse outside again at 2.20am and check it actually goes around now.
[00:24:13] <andypugh> MrFluffy: Are you on CET or did you forget to change the clocks :-)
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[00:31:35] <MrFluffy> Yes Im in CET
[00:32:11] <MrFluffy> And now I have the webcam set up so I dont have to drag myself out there again to see that I havent fixed it with the latest change...
[00:36:57] <MrFluffy> I have this signal connected to the port :- net spindle-out <= stepgen.4.step => parport.1.pin-16-out
[00:37:33] <MrFluffy> Hal Meter monitoring spindle-freq shows a value of 0-2000
[00:37:57] <MrFluffy> spindle enable = true, direction changes with the clicks of the gui, but no motion itself
[00:38:44] <andypugh> Check the PWM duty cycle?
[00:39:07] <andypugh> Sorry, ignore that
[00:39:23] <MrFluffy> spindle-on is FALSE...
[00:39:37] <andypugh> stepgen.4.enable?
[00:40:46] <andypugh> MrFluffy: An important point here: Signal names are free-choice and mean nothing. You could control the spindle speed with a signal called “coolant-temperature” if you wanted to.
[00:40:58] <MrFluffy> That is true, and net spindle-enable <= motion.spindle-on => stepgen.4.enable
[00:41:19] <andypugh> That should go true with M3 and S > 0
[00:41:26] <MrFluffy> Yes, theyre just aribitary labels that hopefully make sense to humans
[00:41:48] <andypugh> I would guess that your S-value is zero
[00:41:49] <MrFluffy> I cant M3, its not homed and I turned the dc rail off for the night... Argh
[00:42:00] <MrFluffy> so it wont take any mdi
[00:42:15] <andypugh> Are you ssh-ed into Axis?
[00:42:19] <MrFluffy> yes
[00:42:30] <MrFluffy> I have a ssh -XYA session into it
[00:42:41] <andypugh> Press spindle-colockwise then spindle +?
[00:42:59] <andypugh> That should set motion.spindle-on even if not homed
[00:44:06] <andypugh> (I dont know how you are meant to configure an externally speed-controlled spindle)
[00:44:54] <andypugh> But AIUI you need S > 0 to set motion.spindle-on
[00:45:27] <andypugh> But, anyway, I need to sleep even if it is only 0145 here.
[00:45:36] <MrFluffy> Spindle-freq is 5201, spindle-enable is true, spindle-cw is true, spindle-at-speed is true, spindle-out is false
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[00:46:24] <furrywolf> andy: that video looks rather sexist.
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[01:23:17] <malcom2073> started de-rusting the mill:
https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/11082257_1033337130014001_5306571967087362991_o.jpg
[01:24:04] <malcom2073> Also found out, the servos are brushed DC servos, which counterdicts what I thought the drivers were
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[01:36:51] <MrFluffy> 3.30, Its going to be something stupid in the config that I am missing because I am too tired, Ill pick this up in the am. Goodbye all.
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[02:19:38] <furrywolf> I decided to cut off the diseased branch from my lemon... it was a pretty major one. bleh.
[02:19:55] <furrywolf> I cut off the smaller branches from it and will see if they clone, so at least it wouldn't be a total waste.
[02:21:29] <furrywolf> I've had exactly zero luck cloning it in the past, however.
[02:24:44] <LeelooMinai> You may have a lemon there
[02:25:14] <furrywolf> LemonooMinai: ha ha.
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[03:05:57] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BlOBRko.jpg
[03:05:59] <zeeshan> my 2 babies
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[03:06:59] <zeeshan> DIAMOND core technology
[03:07:02] <zeeshan> whatever the heck that is
[03:07:02] <zeeshan> lol
[03:07:44] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you got a lemon tree?
[03:07:45] <ffurrywol> for what?
[03:07:50] <zeeshan> the mig 180c
[03:07:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/bKKOf9X.jpg
[03:08:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/vQvhOp7.jpg
[03:08:08] <zeeshan> first mig weld
[03:08:09] <zeeshan> lol
[03:08:10] <ffurrywol> yes
[03:08:19] <zeeshan> cool man, i planted one last year
[03:08:25] <ffurrywol> sounds like marketing. lol
[03:08:27] <zeeshan> i dont think itll give fruit for another 3-4 years
[03:08:32] <zeeshan> yea
[03:08:37] <zeeshan> its prolly one fancy capacitor added
[03:08:40] <zeeshan> and BAM diamond technology!
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[03:14:24] <ffurrywol> I might have to give up on internet usage tonight.
[03:14:49] <ffurrywol> connection sucking worse than usual
[03:14:49] <ffurrywol> probably too many people using it
[03:14:49] <zeeshan> dont let the internet rule you!
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[03:21:16] <ffurrywol> I've been looking for a TIG setup for a while, but they're always too much money.
[03:21:45] <zeeshan> fuck tig
[03:21:48] <zeeshan> mig is so much easier
[03:22:00] <zeeshan> but if you really want pretty welds, tig is the way to go
[03:22:03] <zeeshan> and i guess for aluminum
[03:22:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: do you guys have small 4cyl diesels like the ones in Europe?
[03:22:38] <zeeshan> no
[03:22:43] <ffurrywol> I have three mig welders (one of which works!) and a mig wire feeder for my two stick supplies... obviously I like mig. but I have a project that will need lots of aluminum welding.
[03:22:55] <zeeshan> and when i say mig
[03:22:59] <zeeshan> i mean mig, not fluxcore bs
[03:23:18] <zeeshan> fcaw
[03:23:26] <ffurrywol> fluxcore is not mig.
[03:23:34] <zeeshan> some people call fluxcore mig
[03:23:46] <ffurrywol> some people smoke crack. your point?
[03:24:14] <CaptHindsight> do they smoke fluxcore?
[03:24:15] <zeeshan> unfortgunately theres more people that call fluxcore mig than people that smoke crack
[03:24:16] <zeeshan> :)
[03:25:19] <ffurrywol> actually, I suspect more people smoke crack than have ever used a welder, or know what mig or fluxcore is.
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[03:27:17] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i think in the next 10 years youll see more diesels
[03:27:24] <zeeshan> a lot of american companies have diesel engines
[03:27:30] <zeeshan> that have been coming out in modern cars
[03:27:34] <ffurrywol> I want a subaru diesel.
[03:27:37] <zeeshan> and we still have a lot of vw
[03:28:07] <ffurrywol> it beats every other small diesel, and gets put in a good vehicle, not a crap vw or us-made car. :)
[03:29:31] <ffurrywol> if you want a truck, but american. if you want a car, buy japanese. if you want to spend all your money on repairs, buy german.
[03:29:40] <ffurrywol> s/but/buy
[03:29:56] <roycroft> my american-made vw diesel is a great car
[03:29:57] <roycroft> i love it
[03:30:29] <zeeshan> furry subaru diesel
[03:30:29] <zeeshan> wut
[03:31:02] <roycroft> the problem with diesel cars in this country is convincing the public that today's diesels are not like the old diesels
[03:31:26] <roycroft> people think they're noisy, smelly, and vibrate a lot
[03:31:26] * ffurrywol waits for roy's car to need an engine (which vw will blame on you), or other stupid failure
[03:31:36] <zeeshan> roycroft: they still are
[03:31:37] <zeeshan> loll
[03:31:38] <roycroft> i have almost 200k miles on it
[03:31:47] <roycroft> the engine is finally broken in :)
[03:31:48] <zeeshan> the only reason theyre not as bad is all the exhaust treatment
[03:31:53] <ffurrywol> zeeshan: subaru sells a nice diesel in europe. it's small, light, 155hp, 280ftlbs, 50-60mpg.
[03:32:12] <roycroft> modern diesel engines have a pre-ignition chamber that smooths out the engine
[03:32:20] <roycroft> makeing it more quiet and lessening the vibration
[03:32:30] <ffurrywol> and that's 50-60mpg in an all-wheel-drive station wagon or small SUV, not 2-wheel-drive econoblob.
[03:32:32] <zeeshan> they still are a crap polluter
[03:32:38] <zeeshan> you need soot filters
[03:32:42] <roycroft> i burn biodiesel in my car, so it hardly pollutes at all because of that
[03:32:43] <zeeshan> urea addition
[03:32:46] <zeeshan> etc
[03:32:59] <roycroft> but european diesel cars beat california emissions standards
[03:33:11] <roycroft> yes, there's a lot of exhaust voodoo that they need to make them burn clean
[03:33:13] <zeeshan> what im getting at is high maintenance
[03:33:15] <roycroft> but they burn clean these days
[03:33:27] <ffurrywol> roycroft: you must have an old one, which means that rather than engines failing due to oil sludge, you just put around going 45mph up hills.
[03:33:39] <roycroft> it's a tdi
[03:33:40] <ffurrywol> s/put/putt
[03:33:51] <zeeshan> vw tdi is a good engnine
[03:34:01] <roycroft> yes it is
[03:34:13] <roycroft> my old rabbit was pre-tdi
[03:34:19] <zeeshan> one of buddies cars has 500,000 km on it
[03:34:19] <roycroft> that is the car that went putt-putt up the hills
[03:34:22] <roycroft> and down the hills :)
[03:34:29] <zeeshan> 310k miles
[03:34:33] <roycroft> but i also drive vw buses
[03:34:43] <roycroft> so i'm pretty used to putt-putt
[03:34:50] <roycroft> and it's fine
[03:34:58] <roycroft> life is too short to be in a hurry
[03:35:05] <zeeshan> haha
[03:35:08] <ffurrywol> which go 45mph while leaving a blue smoke cloud? :P
[03:35:14] <zeeshan> i need a peppy car for a daily
[03:35:17] <zeeshan> cant deal with a slow thing
[03:35:53] <ffurrywol> zeeshan: a relative just got a wrx... it's quite zippy.
[03:35:54] <zeeshan> id drive a ka20a2 in a civic hatch back
[03:36:00] <zeeshan> before driving a damn diesel car
[03:36:22] <zeeshan> ffurrywol: its a hell of a lot better than the eclipse i was driving
[03:36:32] <zeeshan> 4 door, comfy, quiet, zippy
[03:36:47] <ffurrywol> I'd stick a diesel in my subaru if they weren't so expensive to import.
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[03:38:10] <ffurrywol> the subaru diesel is supposed to be adequately powered, but not race-car speed. 155hp isn't bad.
[03:39:21] <ffurrywol> the car I'd put it in only has 83hp stock, so it'd be a definite upgrade. :P
[03:40:44] <zeeshan> is it a regular engine
[03:40:47] <zeeshan> or boxer style
[03:40:53] <ffurrywol> I put a 135hp gas motor in it instead
[03:40:54] <ffurrywol> boxer
[03:40:56] <zeeshan> oh fuck
[03:40:57] <zeeshan> lool
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[03:41:14] <ffurrywol> 155hp, only weighs 230lbs complete. not bad for a diesel.
[03:41:22] <ffurrywol> the boxer is very compact.
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[03:42:00] <zeeshan> bs
[03:42:04] <zeeshan> its low cog
[03:42:06] <zeeshan> thats about it
[03:42:17] <furrywolf> it's also short. only two cylinders long.
[03:42:25] <zeeshan> its wide!
[03:42:33] <furrywolf> and short the other way too. only one cylinder high.
[03:42:49] <furrywolf> fortunately cars tend to be wide too, so it's an excellent fit. :P
[03:42:54] <zeeshan> haha
[03:42:59] <zeeshan> like my v8!
[03:43:02] <zeeshan> excellent FIT!!!!
[03:43:10] <zeeshan> cant even make ap roper manifold!!
[03:43:10] <zeeshan> :{
[03:43:20] <furrywolf> lol
[03:43:30] <zeeshan> i like the boxer way more than a rotary
[03:43:39] <zeeshan> but i still like a regular inline engine
[03:43:42] <zeeshan> even more than a v8..
[03:43:48] <furrywolf> somehow subaru has no problem fitting turbos and brake boosters in their cars, so clearly the boxer is more compact than v. :P
[03:43:51] <zeeshan> its so simple to work on!!!
[03:43:59] <zeeshan> haha furrywolf
[03:44:04] <zeeshan> btw i bolted the brake booster back on
[03:44:18] <zeeshan> there is enough room between the theoretical manifold
[03:44:20] <zeeshan> and frame rail
[03:44:37] <zeeshan> just had to brain storm
[03:44:51] <furrywolf> a relative is putting a 6-cyl boxer in his car... now that's causing space issues. mostly length.
[03:45:12] <zeeshan> from like a porsche?
[03:45:21] <zeeshan> thats the only car i know of that has a 6 cyl boxer
[03:45:37] <Cromaglious> subaru also does a 6cyl boxer
[03:45:44] <furrywolf> no, a fancier subaru
[03:46:11] <furrywolf> the accessory belts are going to be stuffed up in the front grille, and we're mounting the radiator on top of the transmission. :)
[03:46:30] <zeeshan> cnc mill a new radiator!
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[03:46:38] <zeeshan> actually on a serious note
[03:46:50] <zeeshan> when space is that constrained a tubular front rad support is usually a good idea
[03:47:04] <zeeshan> ive gained like 4" of engine bay room doing that
[03:47:06] <furrywolf> there's no room for a front radiator.
[03:47:13] <zeeshan> difference between running crappy thin fans
[03:47:18] <zeeshan> or real oem fans with lots of cfm
[03:47:55] <furrywolf> we're mounting it close to horizontal (slight angle for airflow and burping) on top of the tranny, with a pair of fans sucking the air through it then blowing it down either side of the tranny.
[03:48:16] <zeeshan> wat
[03:48:19] <zeeshan> rad on top of trans?
[03:48:25] <Cromaglious> I know several 6cyl dual overhead cam turbo subaru motors in varyeze rutan flyers
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[03:49:05] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: ssssh! if you mention subaru-powered aircraft, ssi will show up and talk about how evil he thinks they are.
[03:49:27] <furrywolf> zeeshan: got to stick it somewhere!
[03:49:37] <Cromaglious> top tank is at the top back of the engine compartment
[03:49:42] <zeeshan> hehe
[03:49:46] <zeeshan> REAR mount radiator!
[03:49:48] <zeeshan> in the trunk!
[03:50:16] <furrywolf> we've dropped the engine and tranny crossmembers 4", so there's a good amount of room between the top of the bellhousing and the hood, more than enough for an angled radiator.
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[03:50:20] <furrywolf> s/4"/3"
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[03:50:47] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: yep. filling it will require a bendy funnel.
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[03:50:55] <XXCoder> home, I am
[03:51:08] <XXCoder> van did very well, hauling heavy load home
[03:51:55] <furrywolf> he's trying to decide if he's going na or turbo... na is 230hp...
[03:52:41] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, nice, or using a remote top tank.. ala Cadillac deville
[03:52:54] <XXCoder> jhow goes things here
[03:52:59] <zeeshan> flat6
[03:53:02] <zeeshan> and only 230hp
[03:53:02] <zeeshan> wut!
[03:53:31] <Cromaglious> which body?? forrester or legacy?
[03:53:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: as much as i love turbos
[03:53:36] <zeeshan> if it was a street car you dont wanna work on a lot
[03:53:39] <zeeshan> i'd stay away from em
[03:53:43] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: leone. (early '80s)
[03:54:07] <Cromaglious> I'm gonna have to look that one up
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[03:54:39] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7IXW9Alzkc
[03:54:41] <zeeshan> hmm interesting
[03:54:43] <zeeshan> ive never seen this
[03:55:09] <furrywolf> Cromaglious:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Subaru_1983_4X4_My_First_Car.jpg
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[03:56:07] <Cromaglious> hehe GL never knew the official name... I had one
[03:56:24] <furrywolf> I don't think they ever had a name in the US.
[03:56:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: what got you into subies?
[03:56:34] <XXCoder> turbo power
[03:56:39] <Cromaglious> just a trim level I had a GL
[03:56:48] <furrywolf> zeeshan: they're the least-crap of all the cars I've worked on. heh.
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[04:00:40] <furrywolf> the early '80s ones were built to be very easy to work on, just in case they ever did break... my favorite example is the fuel pump is mounted under the car on a hinged panel with curly hoses. to change the fuel pump, you onbolt the panel, and it hinges down, so you can access it from the side of the car instead of needing to go under the car. not that they fail often - I've only ever seen one bad one, and it still pumped, just leaked
[04:01:04] <XXCoder> lol I remember this datsun car
[04:01:12] <XXCoder> starter was HELL to get to
[04:01:40] <zeeshan> mitsus are easy to work on too :)
[04:01:51] <XXCoder> I probably turned it in nonecludian directions to get in lol
[04:01:59] <XXCoder> *and out
[04:02:11] <furrywolf> they have 4x4 (with low range!), 4-wheel independent suspension, the engine is mounted the proper way around, all parts are easy to access (except the heater core, but they made it out of thick enough brass they never leak),...
[04:02:23] <furrywolf> I can change the starter on my subaru in 5 minutes. :)
[04:02:34] <furrywolf> heh, I changed the distributor in 5 minutes a couple weeks ago!
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[04:03:05] <roycroft> my car is 15 years old and i've never had to change the starter
[04:03:11] <furrywolf> the upper bushings were worn out and it was hitting the sensor
[04:03:15] <XXCoder> mecury sable 1988 while awesome car, has insanely hard stuff to access
[04:03:25] <XXCoder> but then it has 2 ton truck engine in sedan
[04:03:43] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ZIzQWB0zM
[04:03:44] <zeeshan> wow
[04:03:50] <zeeshan> this guy laid a shitload of body filler
[04:03:51] <zeeshan> hahaha
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[04:03:59] <furrywolf> ... sables do not have truck engines. you have to get the ford full-size platform (crown vic, mustang, etc) to get truck engines.
[04:04:03] <zeeshan> ive never seen someone put that much filler
[04:04:13] <XXCoder> furrywolf: 3.8l
[04:04:20] <Cromaglious> we had a sable... developed rod knock... donated it
[04:04:28] <jdh> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EfkEcqc_82Y/Ubfn9g_AGoI/AAAAAAAAYG8/DaNCt-DeobE/w871-h653-no/ells1280.jpg
[04:04:29] <XXCoder> largest engine I ever saw in sedan
[04:04:31] <zeeshan> his whole door is green!
[04:04:36] <jdh> opinions on that weld failure?
[04:04:37] <furrywolf> XXCoder: that's not a truck engine. that's a compact truck engine.
[04:04:52] <furrywolf> XXCoder: ford put the 460 (7.5L) in sedans. that's a truck engine.
[04:05:03] <XXCoder> compact truck engine? hmm yea makes sense. never heard of that
[04:05:30] <Cromaglious> 460 is a car engine. Y block's are truck engines
[04:05:32] <XXCoder> zeeshan: springs not a door?
[04:05:42] <zeeshan> ?
[04:05:46] <Cromaglious> 352, 428, ...
[04:05:53] <Cromaglious> 360
[04:06:01] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: my friend's truck with a 460 will pop wheelies if you have too much crap in the bed.
[04:06:04] <XXCoder> you said whole door is green with that link but it sure arent showing pic of door?
[04:06:28] <zeeshan> w/ the bondo
[04:06:32] <zeeshan> look at the end of the video 30min
[04:06:43] <Cromaglious> my pops' '72 short bed with a 360 would pop wheelies with 900# over the back axle
[04:06:45] <XXCoder> oh someday linked pic not you lol
[04:06:48] <furrywolf> jdh: "made in china"?
[04:06:58] <XXCoder> zeeshan: se what happens after 3 hours driving LOL
[04:07:11] <jdh> furrywolf: "made in america"
[04:07:17] <XXCoder> looking
[04:07:25] * furrywolf doesn't believe the sticker
[04:07:36] <XXCoder> furrywolf: its true. sticker is made in america
[04:07:44] <Cromaglious> hmmm legacy nd outbacks could be gotten with a 3.0L H6
[04:07:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: over load
[04:07:59] <zeeshan> er
[04:08:01] <zeeshan> jdh overload
[04:08:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan: that seems to be sparky green paint
[04:08:31] <zeeshan> thats a good weld
[04:08:37] <jdh> yeah, terrible material choice.
[04:08:51] <furrywolf> I bought an extension for my sprayer today. it says something like "Made in the USA with foreign components". aka "we screwed it together here".
[04:08:56] <zeeshan> jdh: its a bike
[04:09:01] <zeeshan> they are trying to make it light
[04:09:18] <zeeshan> did you hit something hard?
[04:09:35] <jdh> not mine... it was 11 years old though
[04:09:39] <furrywolf> at least it's not as bad as leatherman, where the factory in mexico was stamping USA into the forgings. :)
[04:09:41] <zeeshan> dude
[04:09:42] <zeeshan> wait
[04:09:48] <zeeshan> i wasnt looking at pic right
[04:09:57] <zeeshan> i was looking at the crack at the top right
[04:10:04] <jdh> the crack is fine
[04:10:04] <zeeshan> thats a weld failure
[04:10:10] <jdh> the weld separated
[04:10:13] <zeeshan> not enough penetration
[04:10:26] <zeeshan> you can actually see how it seperated
[04:10:32] <jdh> looks like almost no penetration
[04:10:33] <zeeshan> @ the weld penetration area
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[04:11:30] <zeeshan> that looks like a very expensive bike :p
[04:11:32] <toastydeath> could also be fatigue from thermal hardening
[04:11:33] <zeeshan> i see carbon fiber
[04:11:46] <zeeshan> toastydeath: you can see there isnt enough penetration
[04:11:55] <zeeshan> if there was it shoulda seperated from the tube
[04:12:17] <jdh> I would expect it to crack where that piece is missing
[04:12:36] <furrywolf> I suspect that's pretty common. you're welding thin-wall tube to a thick machined part. it's hard to get good penetration on the thick part without burning through the thin part.
[04:13:08] <jdh> this was a boutique, lightweight bike
[04:13:15] <furrywolf> A skilled welder can do it, but assembley lines aren't always staffed with those.
[04:13:25] <renesis> its like it was sitting in a cup locating feature and that feature ripped off
[04:13:34] <zeeshan> furrywolf: thats why you concentrate the weld puddle at the thick part
[04:13:48] <renesis> i think the weld is meant to hold it onto that projecting feature
[04:14:08] * furrywolf tries to figure out how "boutique" applies to bicycles
[04:14:27] <renesis> low prooduction run, way more attention during fab, cost to match
[04:14:28] <jdh> handmade to order, mostly
[04:14:29] <toastydeath> i do not see the signs of penetration failure on that seperation
[04:15:21] <furrywolf> it could have been a fatigue crack... how's the geometry? some suspension designs put non-tensile stresses on components.
[04:15:23] <toastydeath> i do, however, see the characteristic surface of a crack that propigated around the haz
[04:15:28] <renesis> i think the locating feature should be bigger and the edges mating the cup to the machine part should be radiused
[04:16:02] <toastydeath> that is a slightly concave break, away from the weld puddle, uniform around a large portion of the weld
[04:16:05] <renesis> tight fit in there
[04:16:11] <zeeshan> from that non close up pic
[04:16:27] <zeeshan> i dont see the typical fast fracture
[04:16:33] <zeeshan> you'd see after initiatiation and propogation
[04:16:35] <toastydeath> there is also good wetting on the weld bead
[04:16:47] <renesis> the weld bead way sexy
[04:16:47] <zeeshan> it all looks like it was fast fractured
[04:17:46] <furrywolf> if you want fun with fatigue cracks, work on '80s ford trucks. :)
[04:17:59] <renesis> ew ford
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[04:18:22] <XXCoder> fix or repair daily
[04:18:34] <renesis> srsly
[04:18:48] <toastydeath> a crack between two solid phases does not look the same as it does in a homogenous material
[04:18:53] <furrywolf> '80s and '90s ford trucks are actually pretty reliable.
[04:19:00] <jdh> you should see the beads on my Ti bikes
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[04:19:23] <furrywolf> I don't know about where you are, but around here, a surprisingly large number of them are still on the road, with 200-300k+ miles on them.
[04:19:28] <toastydeath> either way, that's what my money is on - it looks exactly like every other fatigue crack from the phase interface from not heat treating a weld
[04:19:55] <zeeshan> toastydeath: thats a big problem
[04:20:01] <zeeshan> that bothers me so much
[04:20:05] <zeeshan> especiallly with car fabrication
[04:20:11] <zeeshan> these guys complain about how their stainless manifold cracked
[04:20:17] <zeeshan> yet you can still see the color from the welds
[04:20:20] <toastydeath> hahaha
[04:20:23] <zeeshan> guess what, no post weld heat treatment
[04:20:27] <zeeshan> drives me insane
[04:20:46] <zeeshan> they dont understand that you got all the sudden tiny grains
[04:20:46] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah gonna fix em often but damn do they last
[04:20:49] <zeeshan> and long ass grains surrounding them
[04:20:52] <XXCoder> my bro has 1969 truck
[04:22:06] <furrywolf> fix or repair daily... found on road dead... don't forget the explorer with firestone tires - flips on rapid deflation. :)
[04:22:22] <zeeshan> is cardboard good enough
[04:22:27] <zeeshan> to stop weld splatter on something icare about
[04:22:31] <zeeshan> ie the ways of my lathe!
[04:22:40] <toastydeath> lol i wouldn't
[04:22:49] <zeeshan> cardboard with aluminum foil? :D
[04:22:56] <furrywolf> generally you don't use flammable materials to stop weld splatter. it'll stop the first splatter, but not the second bit...
[04:23:15] <zeeshan> i dont have any leather aprons
[04:23:17] <toastydeath> http://www.harborfreight.com/4-ft-x-6-ft-fiberglass-welding-blanket-67833.html
[04:23:19] <zeeshan> or fiberglass blankets
[04:23:31] <zeeshan> nice dude
[04:23:43] <furrywolf> heh, reminds me of a time someone I knew was using an oxytorch for some cutting, and the slag lit the ground on fire. :)
[04:23:45] <zeeshan> youre the man
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[04:24:15] <zeeshan> http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/8-x-8-ft-welding-blanket/A-p8485278e
[04:24:26] <furrywolf> the area he was working was filled-in swamp... apparantly at one point someone had used a layer of pulped newspaper as fill... which burns and smoulders quite well...
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[04:25:49] <furrywolf> jdh: is it one of the bikes that has a pivot mounted halfway up the seat tube, and which bends the seat tube forwards, rather than applying pure tension/compression to it?
[04:26:08] <furrywolf> every time I see one of those I cringe, knowing that that's now how you want to apply force to thinwall tube...
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[04:28:15] <furrywolf> it's great fun to be cutting, then realize "oh fuck, we just lit the ground on fire... and it's burning downwards!"
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[04:35:17] <furrywolf> grrrrr. I'm getting annoyed at ebay sellers lately. four of the recent items I've bought have been wrong or defective. one was the wrong item, only got a 50% refund. two defective lights, the sellers are both trying to give me partial refunds and telling me how I get the keep the item (joy! a burnt-out LED light bulb does me a lot of good!). and now the defective laptop battery, the seller is saying I have to ship it back, at my ex
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[04:36:50] <renesis> so file paypal disputes, not as described
[04:37:07] <furrywolf> ebay won't process disputes if you pay as a paypal guest.
[04:37:18] <renesis> you dont have a paypal acct?
[04:37:32] <furrywolf> my paypal account got disabled a couple years ago.
[04:38:27] <furrywolf> after being a member since 2003 or something like that, they suddenly decided to demand I send them copies of my social security card, driver's license, bank statements, and utility bills, to prove who I am. that's after having 100% feedback for ten years. I told them to go to hell.
[04:38:54] <renesis> did you ever verify your linked accounts and identify?
[04:39:06] <furrywolf> yes
[04:39:23] <renesis> yeah sounds weird
[04:39:34] <furrywolf> and I was an ebay powerseller
[04:39:55] <renesis> how much did you do a year
[04:40:15] <furrywolf> I called them on the phone a couple of times, and after absurd hold times, everyone flat-out said my account was never working again.
[04:40:26] <furrywolf> not too much. just barely got the bronze rating.
[04:41:01] <renesis> you have balls using ebay without paypal
[04:44:24] <furrywolf> you can google it if you want, apparantly they do it to people randomly... people without social security numbers they insist on a copy of their passports instead...
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[04:47:28] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[06:42:02] <Deejay> moin
[06:43:59] <XXCoder1> yo
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[06:46:25] <Cromaglious> aloha
[06:47:09] <Cromaglious> hmm gotta order some xh4p plugs
[06:51:13] <Cromaglious> hmm JCS-XH4S
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[06:57:29] <XXCoder1> http://www.symscape.com/blog/cfd-analysis-of-a-blower-for-a-small-dust-collector
[06:57:33] <XXCoder1> pretty cool
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[12:36:56] <Benjamin23> what is the difference between LinuxCNC and flatcam? Can LinuxCNC work with g-code?
[12:37:34] <archivist> linuxcnc uses gcode to control the paths it follows
[12:38:03] <archivist> flatcam by its name woule be generating paths in the gcode language
[12:38:20] <archivist> linuxcnc is the machine control
[12:40:02] <Benjamin23> what issues would I possibly run in using LinuxCNC and the RAMPS 1.4?
[12:40:48] <Benjamin23> I use RAMPS 1.4 with the 3D printer. I like it as it has command buffering to for real time operation
[12:42:13] <CaptHindsight> RAMPS doesn't run Linux
[12:42:21] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc runs on Linux
[12:43:29] <archivist> ramps has a completely broken website so cannot comment on crap
[12:44:10] <CaptHindsight> RAMPS is another *duino
[12:44:35] <archivist> I saw a flash of aaarrrrrghuino
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[12:47:27] <CaptHindsight> http://flatcam.org/ FlatCAM: Free and Open-source PCB CAM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-aided_manufacturing
[12:48:58] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat
[12:49:19] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc is open source machine control software that runs on Linux. CNC
http://www.technologystudent.com/cam/cnccut1.html
[12:51:30] <CaptHindsight> RAMPS is a toy machine controller board deigned by kids that wanted to make sure that you'd need a PC and their board to operate your CNC glue gun
[12:53:41] <CaptHindsight> http://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4
[12:54:55] <SpeedEvil> 'to make sure you'd need a PC' - you're on thin ice in this channel
[12:54:58] <CaptHindsight> http://ultimachine.com/ramps-pre-assembled-kit-complete $185.00
[12:55:58] <archivist> damned expensive for an aaaarrrrrghuino
[12:56:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/neje-300mw-mini-diy-laser-engraving-machine-picture-logo-cnc-laser-printer-transparent-379598
[12:56:43] <SpeedEvil> Not sure if I linked this before.
[12:57:27] <SpeedEvil> Note teh CDROM guts
[12:57:32] <Rab> Benjamin23, look into GRBL. There's a port for RAMPS 1.4:
http://grblforramps14.sourceforge.net/
[12:57:42] <Hawku> 300mW laser and only USB power?
[12:58:28] <Rab> Benjamin23, LinuxCNC isn't a good fit for controlling Arduino/RAMPS. You will get the worst of both worlds.
[12:59:06] <MarkusBec> Hawku: it is powered by magic
[12:59:22] <CaptHindsight> 6-in-1
http://www.dx.com/p/6-in-1-diy-multi-functional-mini-drilling-sanding-turning-milling-machine-tool-kit-369220
[13:00:51] <CaptHindsight> China clone of RAMPS 1.4 $19
http://store.cutedigi.com/ramps-1-4-reprapp-arduino-mega-pololu-shield-for-3d-printer-rep/
[13:01:18] <CaptHindsight> sorry, just the shield
[13:03:35] <Rab> http://item.ebay.com/371163613762 brings it up to $30, possibly a whopping $40 after you add generic Pololu drivers.
[13:06:37] <archivist> has to be useful before I ever go arrrghuino thinking of this
http://egirland.blogspot.it/2014/03/arduino-uno-as-usb-to-gpib-controller.html
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[13:09:39] <CaptHindsight> http://slashdot.org/story/15/03/29/128253/arduino-dispute-reaches-out-to-distributors
[13:11:14] <Rab> archivist, looks like a nice effort, but seems unreliable without the proper GPIB transceivers.
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[13:12:00] <archivist> Rab, true, I have a pile of the correct parts here but no roundtuit
[13:12:13] <Rab> And obviously you'd be better off with a $5 Arduino Pro Uno clone for on-chip USB.
[13:12:42] <Rab> Tarduino Pro Mini, I guess
[13:12:46] <archivist> I did have a link for another attempt somewhere
[13:14:00] <Rab> In fact I guess the guy has just made a roundabout effort reimplementing the typical Prologix controller without the transceivers.
[13:14:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tequipment.net/Instek/GTL-251/ $1080
[13:16:49] <archivist> here is another 488 toy
http://www.dalton.ax/gpib/
[13:19:58] <archivist> and code is on github
https://github.com/Galvant/gpibusb-firmware
[13:21:02] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: that looked familiar, here's another design using cdrom guts
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150326-maker-creates-sla-3d-printer-using-an-old-projector-10-dollars-in-parts.html
[13:23:00] <archivist> I did buy a tms9914 and drivers when I had a working BBC model B, so long lasting roundtuit
[13:23:40] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - it's crappy - but I can see it being really useful for teaching kids
[13:23:55] <archivist> and blinding them :)
[13:24:16] <archivist> retina serial numbers ftw
[13:24:17] <SpeedEvil> Teaching them not to look at the laser
[13:24:54] <SpeedEvil> however. 300mW laser - unless it hits a shiny thing and goes into teh eye isn't that dangerous
[13:25:50] <SpeedEvil> Consider that a 300mW laser, 10cm from the laser dot is emitting into 500cm^2 or so. The eye is .5cm^2 or so, so you have .3mW into the eye worst-case if you're looking at it from 10cm.
[13:26:06] <SpeedEvil> If,of course it's spreading evenly)
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[13:26:41] <SpeedEvil> Even if you do hit a shiny spot - in reality if you've got a 5mm lens on the laser focussed to a .1mm spot 20mm away, that's quite a divergance
[13:28:29] <SpeedEvil> And is eye safe at ~40cm
[13:29:03] <SpeedEvil> 'eye safe' in that it is not more dangerous than a 1mW laser pointer
[13:29:09] <SpeedEvil> shone at your eye
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[14:27:42] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/xdXxqsX
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[16:21:21] <Loetmichel> *hihi* my ex-apprentice just showed up at the company... "hi, i have some Glass fibre board i need to be cut to be USB mounting plates for my SNES... can you mill that?"
[16:21:21] <Loetmichel> $me:"sure thing!" *milling commences* apprentice: "what are you asking for the work?"
[16:21:21] <Loetmichel> $me: "nothin'"
[16:21:21] <Loetmichel> apprentice: "i thought you would say that.. so i brought you something..." $me just got home with a sixpack german beer (tannenzaepfle) ;-)
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[16:24:40] <XXCoder1> Loetmichel: nice
[16:24:59] <eventor> oh, i know "tannenzaepfle" very well... each november we travel to a exhibition in ulm. they have enough tannenzaepfle.
[16:27:29] <Loetmichel> bring the megapack aspirin if you are not used to that stuff ;-)
[16:28:12] <Loetmichel> i just found it nice that my ex-apprentice anticipated my "nothing" and brought something anyways. it wasnt that much work tho
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[17:16:29] <FinboySlick> For the electronics heard out there. Say I have an 'irrerplaceable' ATX PSU that went dead. Should I assume that it's a dead capacitor and how would I go about finding which (besides some obvious swollen can syndrome)?
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[17:19:31] <XXCoder1> FinboySlick: wonder if multimeter could test capactors
[17:21:59] <MrFluffy> Nice walkthrough of psu repair, but I would never bother for a atx personally
[17:22:14] <MrFluffy> I did the one in my nec pc98, but that really is unobtanium...
[17:22:26] <MrFluffy> whoops forgot the url
http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/atx-power-supply-repair-guide.html
[17:24:47] <jdh> it would have to be really weird to not find one you could adapt
[17:25:10] <MrFluffy> question for the experienced people here, what would be a good starting debounce value for hal signal debounce? Im getting random limit switch errors when the spindle is cutting. Ive jumpered them all in turn but it seems to be noise from the vfd rather than a bad switch being vibrated.
[17:25:52] <cradek> MrFluffy: it's better to fix the hardware (fix shielding and grounding, or power line filter on the vfd)
[17:26:13] <cradek> MrFluffy: but if you must use debounce why not trigger on your noise with halscope and then choose the time constant based on that
[17:28:46] <MrFluffy> The limit switches are wired with grounded FTP with the shields grounded out one end only, but the vfd has no powerline filtering on it and lives in the same machine cabinet as the bob and other stuff.
[17:29:10] <cradek> which end of the shields is grounded?
[17:29:20] <MrFluffy> cabinet end only
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[17:29:50] <cradek> sounds pretty correct doesn't it
[17:30:16] <MrFluffy> on reflection its probably picking up the noise at the BOB which isnt shielded itself... Ill make a box from copper clad board to cover it I think.
[17:32:52] <MrFluffy> It doesnt happen often, every 5 minutes or so on average I get a joint error when the axis are nowhere near the switches. Maybe a switch is bad too, they are the original limits wired NC into one all-home signal.
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[17:33:48] <FinboySlick> Well, it's a 1U ATX.
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[17:34:09] <FinboySlick> And pretty old.
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[17:34:35] <FinboySlick> There are some on ebay, but if I can get a quick fix, I'd have a working box while I wait.
[17:34:55] <MrFluffy> something odd with weird latches for hotswap like a dell poweredge one?
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[17:35:42] <FinboySlick> MrFluffy: It's a Tyan Transport GX-28. Pretty sure they're relatively standard but still not that easy to find.
[17:36:01] <FinboySlick> They were standard way back in those days.
[17:38:04] <FinboySlick> It's a 24+8 setup and all I seem to have is 24+4.
[17:39:22] <XXCoder1> not adoptable?
[17:39:35] <FinboySlick> Might be.
[17:41:09] <FinboySlick> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Emacs-P1M-6400P-1U-Server-400-Watt-Power-Supply/371039395372
[17:43:35] <MrFluffy> AMD cpu...
[17:46:44] <FinboySlick> MrFluffy: Back then, they were the bomb.
[17:47:04] <XXCoder1> whats best cpu nowdays
[17:47:17] <FinboySlick> Depends on what you do with it, really.
[17:47:29] <XXCoder1> desktop pc
[17:49:22] <MrFluffy> FinboySlick: Yes, its relevant because it will mean it is probably a ATX12V-GES psu for a dual cpu board. And you can get adaptor cables to use a normal one but have to be careful as they have quite a heavy draw on some of the lines to do the extra core hence the extra pins to carry the current.
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[17:50:54] <MrFluffy> I like atoms, fanless because theyre quiet :)
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[17:51:16] <FinboySlick> Hehe, and they're almost as strong nowadays as that AMD dual socket thing.
[17:51:47] <FinboySlick> Well, okay, maybe not quite.
[17:53:21] <FinboySlick> I'll see if I can convince the board to start with a single 4pin thing, at least to confirm that it is the PSU that is dead.
[17:55:00] <MrFluffy> its always worth a pop the cover off for a quick looksee if its anything easy too
[17:55:17] <MrFluffy> I have been lucky in the past many times more than I deserve...
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[20:19:03] <MrFluffy> andypugh: fixed the spindle thingy, though now it feels like cheating to run the machine remote watching via a ip cam.
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[20:20:18] <LeelooMinai> As opposed to what, holding the toolbit with hand? :)
[20:20:30] <andypugh> halcmf -kf / loadusr halmeter -s pin motion.program-line
[20:21:10] <XXCoder1> hey LeelooMinai hows your project
[20:21:31] <LeelooMinai> A, got distracted by other projects...
[20:21:48] <MrFluffy> Ive only just got a dro on my universal mill, this def feels like cheating in comparison :)
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[20:22:16] <_methods> beats the hell out of crankin handles
[20:23:11] <LeelooMinai> I will definitelly instal a camera on my cnc - so I can sit at the pc and watch the machine that is 3meters from me:)
[20:23:40] <XXCoder1> lol
[20:23:40] <MrFluffy> Im in the house 30m away, I cant even hear it running from here. Its odd.
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[20:24:00] <XXCoder1> I probably will do so too since my cnc will be in garage while my pc is some distance away.
[20:24:23] <XXCoder1> MrFluffy: maybe some barrier between you and it
[20:24:29] <XXCoder1> do a sound survey
[20:25:08] <MrFluffy> No I mean for years Ive been stood there getting chips on me, this all feels a bit clinical, draw, click and go
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[20:25:27] <XXCoder1> oh lol
[20:25:48] <MrFluffy> I run a cnc wire too, but I stand over that babysitting it because water escaping in random directions can get interesting.
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[20:26:19] <archivist> still have to stand over the stop button to catch your cockups
[20:27:03] <MrFluffy> Yes I aircut the program before touching off for real. Toolchain isnt that proven yet...
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[20:56:38] <skunkworks> !seen swpadnos
[20:56:38] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-10-31 00:54:44GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
[20:56:56] <archivist> same in any channel
[20:57:02] <Deejay> gn8
[20:57:11] <skunkworks> oh - duh
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[21:16:36] <XXCoder1> insane.
[21:16:37] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73txXT21aZU
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[21:34:55] <MrFluffy> Do I class as a heretic if I mention the runout on the crank?
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[21:43:11] <andypugh> One could make a much better glass steam engine by machining the glass. But that would seem to be missing the point.
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[21:50:46] <Connor> XXCoder1: I like Elbow engines..
[21:52:02] <MrFluffy> I like ones you can pour more methanol in until they go bang
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[21:54:44] <MrFluffy> that sounds purile, but I build the engines for my funnybike
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[22:18:49] <furrywolf> I think the point is to show off his glass skills, not build a commercially successful steam engine.
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[23:32:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I wanted to ask you about your satellite internets
[23:33:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Can you dl an iso quickly?
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[23:33:56] <JT-Shop> ul and dl depend on the weather and I'm supposed to get some speed I forget but I don't get that fast
[23:34:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: weather as in cloud cover?
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[23:37:18] <JT-Shop> I assume it is moisture not just clouds
[23:37:46] <Jymmm> ah. goes dead, or just dawg slow or same difference?
[23:38:45] <JT-Shop> all of the above
[23:38:53] <furrywolf> and, if you consider your data cap to your monthly bill, how much does downloading an iso cost? :)
[23:39:10] <JT-Shop> just depends on how much moisture is between me and the satellite I assume
[23:39:14] <Jymmm> Heh, ok. and you get 5GB for $60/mo?
[23:39:32] <JT-Shop> I can download unlimited at night with a scheduler
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[23:39:52] <JT-Shop> I'm on the 10GB plan, I think it's the min
[23:40:04] <Jymmm> $60?
[23:40:06] <furrywolf> JT-Shop: sounds like your dish is misaimed, you have bad cabling, or another problem... some slowdown is normal during bad weather, completely going dead is not.
[23:40:24] * JT-Shop hears the dinner bell
[23:40:37] <JT-Shop> could be the installer was from Arkansas
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[23:41:00] <JT-Shop> furrywolf, you have satellite?
[23:41:03] <furrywolf> I used to install satellite internet, and never saw a good-condition system competely drop. I did, however, see a fuckton of mis-aimed dishes and bad cabling.
[23:41:15] <furrywolf> no, but I spent three years installing it.
[23:41:15] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:41:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I hve no idea what that means, jsut wondering how much it was monthly
[23:41:23] <furrywolf> WildBlue, to be specific.
[23:41:37] <JT-Shop> that's what I have wildblue
[23:42:13] <JT-Shop> come by my shop and check my antenna LOL
[23:42:38] <furrywolf> dish must be sturdily mounted, and pass a push-pull signal test. the $5 cheapo signal meters, with the wildblue pointing aid, work _better_ than a $400 birddog. cabling should be quad-shielded solid copper, with properly installed compression terminations. wildblue is VERY picky about terminations.
[23:42:41] * JT-Shop hears grumbling now from behind the belt
[23:42:53] <furrywolf> crimping the cable, including stapling it instead of using flexclips, will kill your signal.
[23:43:38] <JT-Shop> it's solid mounted and the installer was very specific about grounding, I recall that much
[23:43:55] <furrywolf> no, no matter how much you want it to, it won't get a good signal through tree branches or your neighbor's house. lol
[23:44:21] <JT-Shop> where mine is mounted it is clear of land based objects
[23:44:43] <JT-Shop> chow time for me
[23:44:58] <furrywolf> depending on when it was installed, they had a ton of problems with defective TRIAs (the part on the dish), with many years being recalled. but, this was 5+ years ago.
[23:44:59] <JT-Shop> maybe the shop tilted over the last few years
[23:45:04] <furrywolf> and I need to run errands and go to work... bbl
[23:45:15] <JT-Shop> see you later
[23:47:38] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCy0NEbJf4s
[23:47:49] <_methods> 3d cheese
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[23:55:40] <CaptHindsight> a device worthy of a *duino controller
[23:56:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYB559Is9Y0 sadly NASA funded
