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[01:22:41] <tjtr33> Cromaglious, do you do theatre stuff? this is like laser cut stage scenery
http://www.breathe.com.au/index_flash.html
[01:22:42] <tjtr33> choose projects / retail from the flash menu-thingy
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[02:15:31] <furrywolf> what is the black powder on parts after electrolysis rust removal? is it fine black iron oxide, or is it some carbon compound from the carbonate in the solution?
[02:21:09] <furrywolf> my first guess is iron oxide, but it seems to appear in quantities in excess of the rust removed...
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[02:25:54] <zeeshan> furrywolf:
[02:26:01] <zeeshan> i think its magnetite
[02:26:12] <zeeshan> similar what you get when you do black oxide treating
[02:26:31] <zeeshan> adds a layer of corossion resistance
[02:26:43] <zeeshan> fe3 O4
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[02:27:35] <furrywolf> I pulled the chain binder out of the bucket again today... most of it is looking pretty good. one hook still didn't make contact, and is still all rusty.
[02:27:44] <zeeshan> are you using evaporust?
[02:28:02] <furrywolf> no, I'm using electrolysis rust removal.
[02:29:07] <zeeshan> o
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[05:11:43] <zeeshan> quiet in here tonight :P
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[05:12:53] <CaptHindisght> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[05:13:04] <zeeshan> =]
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[05:15:48] <CaptHindisght> zeeshan: if you have a second to peek at
http://rusefi.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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[05:16:59] <zeeshan> 16x16!
[05:16:59] <zeeshan> ;p
[05:17:02] <zeeshan> fuel
[05:18:13] <CaptHindisght> I'll build the ECU but I'm not sure if their software is worth building on or if starting from scratch makes more sense
[05:19:41] <zeeshan> what i see missing is linux :)
[05:20:05] <CaptHindisght> yeah they use Chibios
[05:20:34] <CaptHindisght> http://chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
[05:22:19] <CaptHindisght> http://chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:matrix
[05:23:02] <CaptHindisght> it's a much smaller kernel
[05:23:47] <zeeshan> id try their software out
[05:23:59] <zeeshan> and compare with more famous ones like the ones that come with aem ems and haltec e6x
[05:24:04] <CaptHindisght> i just got a board in
[05:24:11] <CaptHindisght> stm32F4
[05:25:01] <CaptHindisght> they might have chosen chibios because they were already familiar with it
[05:25:48] <CaptHindisght> http://www.freertos.org/portstm32iar.html is where I would initially lean
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[05:27:54] <zeeshan> dont blow up your engine! :P
[05:31:16] <CaptHindisght> thats like building an uncrashable machine
[05:31:47] <CaptHindisght> with great power comes great responsibility
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[05:55:57] <zeeshan> CaptHindisght: my advice is if it is a cheap engine to replace, then its okay to try this stuff
[05:56:10] <zeeshan> but you can buy an aem ems for like 400-500 on ebay
[05:56:18] <zeeshan> and its well supported :P
[05:56:26] <zeeshan> but if youre in experimental mode, then i can see why you wanna go with this ecu
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[06:11:21] <LeelooMinai> Any ideas for something for spindle cooling (probably air) doable in a upstairs room?
[06:11:40] <LeelooMinai> That is compressor is out of the question:)
[06:12:08] <zeeshan> waterr cooler
[06:12:12] <zeeshan> w/ radiator
[06:12:48] <LeelooMinai> O, wait, I wrote it wrong - not spindle cooling (it's already air cooled), I mean something that would blow air at the cut point.
[06:15:08] <LeelooMinai> Or does blowing air always involve something big and noisy...
[06:15:38] <Jymmm> define noisy?
[06:15:55] <LeelooMinai> Lauder than the spindle I guess
[06:15:56] <Jymmm> vacuum cleaner?
[06:16:20] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, vacuum cleaners fall into the noisy category in my book:)
[06:16:21] <Jymmm> Use the exhaust from the spindle?
[06:17:06] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... Would that not restrict the spindle cooling though?
[06:17:41] <Jymmm> You just want cooling, not pressure, right?
[06:18:06] <Jymmm> basically flow
[06:18:09] <LeelooMinai> Well, I guess something that will cool the bit a bit:), and remove chips too, so they do not "weld"
[06:18:15] <LeelooMinai> For aluminum milling
[06:18:44] <Jymmm> liquid cooling
[06:19:19] <Jymmm> air pressure + chips = flying scrapnal
[06:19:53] <Jymmm> shrapnel*
[06:19:59] <LeelooMinai> Liquid cooling like pouring some liquid on the bit? That's not happening in my room...
[06:20:12] <zeeshan> welding happens as a result of incorrect cutting speed
[06:20:41] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but that's one aspect, removing chips is good in any case, no?
[06:20:48] <zeeshan> not coolant or lubricant can penetrate the sticking zone of chip formation
[06:20:53] <Jymmm> It doens't need to be gushing,
[06:20:54] <zeeshan> not = no
[06:21:16] <zeeshan> that is where coatings shine
[06:22:00] <Jymmm> Why does this sound so familiar?
https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/
[06:22:26] <LeelooMinai> Well, ok, then lets backtrack a bit. For my rather small "room" cnc, what would be a good approach when cutting aluminum? Do I need air/cooling at the cutting point?
[06:23:04] <zeeshan> cut it dry
[06:23:24] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: You do realize that there WILL be aluminum swarf in your room
[06:23:26] <zeeshan> you prolly dont want coolant mist and lubricant
[06:23:40] <zeeshan> floating around the inside of your house
[06:23:41] <LeelooMinai> Jymmm: No, there won't, I am working on it:)
[06:24:11] <zeeshan> also i think you should watch some videos on youtube to get a sense of how loud aluminum cutting is
[06:24:15] <zeeshan> w/ a high speed spindle
[06:24:39] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: Well, good luck with that.
[06:24:46] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX02cO2547M
[06:24:54] <zeeshan> shit is loud
[06:24:54] <zeeshan> :)
[06:25:03] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu-pi-6lJU
[06:25:06] <LeelooMinai> Jymmm: I am anclosing the table
[06:25:08] <zeeshan> and you're worried about running an air compressor :-)
[06:25:09] <LeelooMinai> en*
[06:25:35] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: That's a bit bigger spindle than mine though:)
[06:25:53] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQzoGTbPrSM
[06:27:03] <zeeshan> you could use a shop vac
[06:27:09] <zeeshan> to blow air at the cutter
[06:27:14] <zeeshan> and at the same time use it to suck away the chips
[06:27:15] <zeeshan> :D
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[06:27:50] <LeelooMinai> Or some kind of "silent compressor", if there are such things
[06:27:57] <zeeshan> there are
[06:28:02] <Jymmm> $$$$$
[06:28:05] <zeeshan> people convert refigerator compressors
[06:28:07] <zeeshan> al lthe time
[06:28:12] <zeeshan> for low flow, low pressure air
[06:28:17] <zeeshan> which would be adequate
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[06:29:08] <zeeshan> i think you'd be fine w/ running the cutter dry
[06:29:19] <zeeshan> just run it at the proper cutting speed
[06:29:22] <zeeshan> and feed
[06:29:36] <LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess I will not worry about it too much now
[06:30:10] <zeeshan> realize its a loud cutting process! :P
[06:30:12] <zeeshan> though
[06:30:27] <zeeshan> i'd say its a bit louder than running a vacuum
[06:30:32] <zeeshan> with a higher frequency noise
[06:30:44] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I did not expect it to be silent
[06:31:17] <LeelooMinai> That's a nice cnc there
[06:31:22] <LeelooMinai> That second small one
[06:35:26] <LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN-oXFDFSLA lol... chip massacre:/
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[06:36:49] <LeelooMinai> I better think more about shielding everything
[06:37:00] <LeelooMinai> Like whole Y axis
[06:37:40] <LeelooMinai> X rather
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[07:54:58] <Deejay> moin
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[09:25:00] <XXCoder> boo
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[09:58:25] <XXCoder> wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XITbj3NTLUQ
[09:58:38] <XXCoder> video is nearly 200 years old
[09:58:48] <XXCoder> one of earliest known ASL videos, my language
[09:59:02] <XXCoder> some signs is definitely antique and some is still same now
[09:59:49] <XXCoder> Some I'm sure because he is signing in very formal style
[10:00:08] <XXCoder> furtal speech after all someone died
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[10:06:06] <XXCoder> oh yeah I misunderstood beginning, hes talking about saving asl and keeping it in school. well im using asl 198 years later so I guess it worked lol
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[10:07:35] <XXCoder> glad it surivied. such a old video
[10:07:39] <XXCoder> and rare
[10:08:40] <archivist> note the date on the film, original 1913
[10:09:01] <XXCoder> oh yeah.
[10:09:11] <XXCoder> asl itself is 198 years though
[10:09:17] <XXCoder> approx anyway
[10:09:27] <archivist> movies did not exist 198 years ago :)
[10:09:50] <XXCoder> 102 years I could talk with them. I would have very heavy "accent" though lol
[10:14:03] <XXCoder> archivist: 3 am lol
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[10:17:40] <XXCoder> archivist: curious about one thing though
[10:18:01] <XXCoder> can you watch a 100 year old video and understand people? im sure yes
[10:22:34] <Jymmm> http://maba.dk/index.php/demo/livecd/
[10:22:59] <Jymmm> based upon
http://www.proview.se/doc/en_us/qguide_f.html
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[15:07:02] <tjtr33> Jymmm, MaBa Proview is interesting for process control, Vimeo has 5 vids on usage. but from 2010!
[15:14:22] <ssi> ugh why do taxes have to be so stupid complicated
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[15:18:55] <pcw_home> How else do we support tax attorneys?
[15:20:47] <JT-Shop> so they have a job
[15:20:53] <JT-Shop> because they can
[15:20:54] <JT-Shop> ...
[15:31:50] <tjtr33> Jymmm, avoid the goofy suggested download, just use sourceforge
http://sourceforge.net/projects/proview/
[15:32:05] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Britain-Model-61-6-Spindle-Automatic-Screw-Machine-/111196732774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e3d77d66
[15:32:08] <ssi> too big?
[15:32:10] <ssi> probably too big
[15:34:05] <tjtr33> Jymmm, new 2015 version at
http://www.proview.se/v3/index.php/download-mainmenu-17
[15:34:12] <archivist> that would be fun to put linuxcnc on
[15:34:40] <ssi> I wonder how many axes it actually has
[15:49:55] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprint.com/53286/gizmo-3d-printers-fastest/
[15:50:24] <SpeedEvil> Damn that would be awesome.
[15:50:39] <SpeedEvil> A 3d cutter using axes.
[15:50:44] <CaptHindsight> it's the top down projection version of last weeks $41M venture backed bottom up projection printer
[15:50:56] <CaptHindsight> those guys must feel dumb now
[15:52:01] <SpeedEvil> Naah.
[15:52:10] <SpeedEvil> they have $41M
[15:52:24] <CaptHindsight> heh, I meant their investors
[15:52:56] <CaptHindsight> that's why they operated in stealth mode until the check cleared
[15:53:13] * SpeedEvil fails finding the team of people cutting with axes, and ends up with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqG1l4lScsg
[15:53:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHUJgv2R3M single axe version
[15:55:12] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/czvrfR57eB8?t=19s 3 axes
[15:56:30] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if they're sharp?
[15:56:50] <CaptHindsight> start at 0:00
[15:57:00] <CaptHindsight> he cuts a log with them
[15:57:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:58:26] <CaptHindsight> on a unicycle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSXTkzlh_jg
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[16:15:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224743317/stepcraft-2-universal-desktop-cnc-3d-printer-for-e
[16:15:51] <CaptHindsight> they should focus these on custom foods
[16:16:18] <CaptHindsight> sculpted cheese and chocolates
[16:16:42] <SpeedEvil> Or a half-pig half turkey
[16:16:52] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if Dremel has a NSF version
[16:18:22] <CaptHindsight> at least they didn't show examples of aluminum or steel parts being destroyed
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[16:42:55] <ssi> SpeedEvil: five assed monkey?
[16:44:24] <zeeshan> anyone have a source for a made in usa/canada/europe deadblow hammer
[16:44:27] <zeeshan> 1 and 2lb
[16:46:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/3lLdqHE.jpg
[16:46:15] <zeeshan> :D
[16:46:19] <Rab> http://www.estwing.com/deadblow_hammers.php
[16:46:43] <archivist> wot no cat
[16:46:49] <zeeshan> haha
[16:46:52] <zeeshan> theres a car today
[16:50:38] <archivist> and big fault, no cables to the ground either side of a suspension bridge
[16:50:47] <archivist> it shall fall down
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[16:53:03] <zeeshan|2> lol archivist
[16:53:06] <zeeshan|2> i ts a model! :P
[16:53:58] <archivist> hey I got some books on bridges, accuracy in models ftw :)
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[17:00:50] <ssi> not sure those plywood "cables" are gonna hold up anyway
[17:00:56] <ssi> grain failure due to all the changes in direction :D
[17:00:59] <zeeshan|2> they hold up to 100lb
[17:01:02] <zeeshan|2> right in the middle
[17:01:05] <zeeshan|2> i consider that a success :)
[17:01:09] <ssi> hah nice
[17:01:19] <zeeshan|2> it creeks after that much weight
[17:01:24] <zeeshan|2> dont wanna break it :/
[17:01:48] <zeeshan|2> i think the glue joints will fail first
[17:01:58] <ssi> then you used the wrong glue :P
[17:02:00] <zeeshan|2> cause ive got the "cables"
[17:02:06] <zeeshan|2> glued right using their face
[17:02:11] <zeeshan|2> with no interlocking joint
[17:02:24] <zeeshan|2> so some parts of it will see direct shear
[17:02:33] <zeeshan|2> and glues suck in direct shear :p
[17:02:46] <ssi> just glue a sister member across the inner face
[17:02:54] <ssi> end grain glue joints suck anyway
[17:03:05] <ssi> if you can get a face grain glue joint it'll be stronger than the wood
[17:03:20] <ssi> even 1/32" plywood strip across the inner faces of the joint
[17:03:25] <zeeshan|2> what is end grain
[17:03:27] <zeeshan|2> and face grain
[17:03:30] <zeeshan|2> havent heard those terms before
[17:03:39] <ssi> it's a little weird with plywood
[17:03:42] <ssi> but consider a solid wood board
[17:03:45] <ssi> a 2x12"
[17:03:58] <ssi> the 12" wide by 8' long face, is face grain
[17:04:02] <zeeshan|2> ah
[17:04:06] <ssi> the 2" tall by 8' long face is edge grain
[17:04:12] <ssi> the 2"x12" dimension is end grain
[17:04:13] <zeeshan|2> so like in a tree if you chop, it
[17:04:17] <zeeshan|2> the circles that you see in the cross section
[17:04:18] <ssi> end grain you're seeing the end of the fibers
[17:04:20] <ssi> yes
[17:04:21] <zeeshan|2> are the end grain
[17:04:25] <ssi> exactly
[17:04:34] <ssi> and wood is like a million drinking straws bundled together
[17:04:45] <ssi> if you try to glue the ENDS of the straws together, it's much less strong
[17:04:50] <zeeshan|2> why is a face grain joint stronger
[17:04:52] <zeeshan|2> than end grain
[17:05:03] <zeeshan|2> just due to contact area?
[17:05:05] <ssi> imagine gluing two straws together side by side vs end to end
[17:05:06] <ssi> yes
[17:05:10] <ssi> and the way the fibers work
[17:05:40] <zeeshan|2> i havent worked with much woood :/
[17:05:53] <zeeshan|2> i just know that wood is like ceramic
[17:05:58] <zeeshan|2> its tensile strength is all over the damn place
[17:06:10] <archivist> zeeshan|2, we had a balsa crane competition at the UO, fun testing to failure
[17:06:27] <zeeshan|2> nice
[17:06:31] <ssi> wood is very important to pay attention to grain
[17:06:37] <zeeshan|2> wood is supposed to be stronger than steel
[17:06:40] <ssi> cause it has very different strengths in different directions
[17:06:41] <zeeshan|2> density to density.
[17:07:03] <ssi> metals have grain structures too
[17:07:05] <ssi> but not as critical
[17:07:05] <zeeshan|2> but making the comment is bold because theres 2139012309321932809 conditions with wood that can go wrong
[17:07:19] * roycroft lights a match
[17:07:23] <ssi> this is a useful document fwiw
[17:07:23] <ssi> http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC43.13-1b.pdf
[17:07:33] <ssi> chapter 1
[17:07:51] <zeeshan|2> wow
[17:07:53] <zeeshan|2> thats a good paper
[17:07:56] <zeeshan|2> start right from the beginning
[17:07:57] <ssi> yep
[17:08:04] <CaptHindsight> my search for "live blow" hammer has been unsuccessful
[17:08:07] <ssi> that's the governing document for working on airplanes fwiw
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[17:08:49] <ssi> you'll see legal logbook entries along the line of "performed structural repair IAW AC 43.13 section xx.xx"
[17:10:05] <zeeshan|2> speaking of materials
[17:10:08] <zeeshan|2> have you guys seen luders bands?
[17:10:13] <zeeshan|2> theyre pretty COOL
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[17:10:36] <ssi> no
[17:10:53] <zeeshan|2> when youre pulling on like a tensile test specimen
[17:11:06] <zeeshan|2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCders_band
[17:11:08] <zeeshan|2> you can see it here
[17:11:21] <zeeshan|2> they're like a wave
[17:11:32] <zeeshan|2> that seperates elastic and plastic region
[17:11:36] <zeeshan|2> its intersting to watch it
[17:11:41] <zeeshan|2> its like a wave propogating in the material
[17:11:52] <ssi> neat
[17:11:54] <zeeshan|2> materials are weird
[17:12:08] <zeeshan|2> the smp im working with is retarded
[17:12:18] <zeeshan|2> usually you'd think if you heat up something, itll become more ductile
[17:12:26] <zeeshan|2> this shit becomes exponentially less ductile
[17:12:29] <zeeshan|2> w/ temp
[17:12:34] <archivist> not hot short materials
[17:12:49] <archivist> brass is funny like that
[17:12:50] <zeeshan|2> what is hot short
[17:13:08] <archivist> becoming brittle when hot
[17:13:15] <archivist> less ductile
[17:15:31] <zeeshan|2> google fails at giving me data for brass
[17:15:36] <zeeshan|2> as a function of temp :/
[17:15:40] <zeeshan|2> stress strain data
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[17:21:31] <archivist> I had a play under a steam hammer with some, it cracked
[17:22:25] <zeeshan|2> oh
[17:22:31] <zeeshan|2> the term for it is hot tearing
[17:23:12] <zeeshan|2> that ive heard
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[17:27:44] <archivist> I suppose a country language error/difference :)
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[17:36:28] <Jymmm> tjtr33: I was curious about it's livecd more than anything else.
[17:36:43] <Jymmm> s/ite;s/that/
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[18:25:07] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: interesting on brass. isnt it most materials that get less brittle with heat? I bet could alloy that gives wider non-brittle temp range
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[18:57:38] <tjtr33> Jymmm, made thumb w unetbootin. booted fine, demo ran.
[18:57:44] <tjtr33> nice guis monitoring faked sensors.
[18:57:52] <tjtr33> lotsa files named rt-blahblah but not sure its realtime.
[18:57:53] <tjtr33> ubu 10.10 with linux 2.6.25
[18:58:10] <Jymmm> tjtr33: of the livecd I linked to?
[18:58:17] <tjtr33> yep\
[18:58:30] <Jymmm> cool
[18:58:38] <tjtr33> lots to learn tho
[18:59:01] <tjtr33> thx for linking it
[18:59:03] <Jymmm> tjtr33: I was actually looking for an Ardunio LiveCD environment for a friend.
[18:59:29] <tjtr33> like arduino IDE?
[18:59:41] <tjtr33> didnt check that
[18:59:41] <Jymmm> tjtr33: something that canbe stateful so the usb to serial drivers can be installed as needed.
[19:00:20] <Jymmm> a two partition thumbdrive if you will.
[19:00:45] <Jymmm> one partition the live env, the other the saved data/config
[19:01:03] <Jymmm> I forget the name of that
[19:01:15] <tjtr33> oh persistant data for live usb stick. did not see/check that
[19:01:23] <Jymmm> yeah, persistant.
[19:02:07] <Jymmm> I ant to give someone a nano and thumbdrive so they can play around
[19:02:11] <Jymmm> want*
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[19:37:18] <tjtr33> Jymmm, a 2nd partition is easy to make on thumb, works fine.
[19:37:26] <tjtr33> and live boot sees all my other HD partitions anyways.
[19:37:37] <tjtr33> but 'persistant' is spcl. it saves like browser bookmarks and program configs to the persistant media, not the ram based virtual drive.
[19:37:38] <tjtr33> so i didnt test that yet
[19:38:16] <tjtr33> best if you ask on their wiki
[19:38:28] <tjtr33> bbl
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[20:01:24] <Jymmm> tjb1: Yeah, I'm aware of it's special status =)
[20:02:27] <tjb1> ahem
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[20:31:10] <ssi> interesting
[20:31:22] <ssi> first time I ever heard "hot short" was when archivist said it earlier
[20:31:28] <ssi> and I just heard it again in a video about welding aluminum
[20:31:44] <ssi> talking about backing the puddle off at the end of a weld to avoid "hot short cracking problems"
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[21:20:35] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-wYitpBcek
[21:20:42] <Tecan> finally got around to uploading one
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[21:40:19] <tjtr33> Tecan, nice, very fast. is that linuxcnc control? hardware or software stepgen?
[21:44:26] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf!
[21:44:49] <ssi> NO
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[21:45:51] <_methods> lol
[21:48:45] <Simonious> well my pro trial of sketchup ran out today.. can't generate DXFs that way any more :/
[21:53:07] <unfy> hm, i see in later versions they removed dxf from free stuff. oh joy
[21:53:43] <Simonious> once Google sold it to Trimble things started to get suspcious - as in they want to monitize it as much as possible.
[21:53:53] <Simonious> Good for the, but not for anyone else.
[21:53:56] <Simonious> *them
[21:54:40] <unfy> looks like you can still find 'google sketchup 7' on the internet ... might support dxf stuffs
[21:55:47] <unfy> (a post by sketchup themselves claim that starting with ver 8 it became a pro only thing)
[21:57:18] <Deejay> gn8
[21:57:38] <unfy> deejay o/
[21:57:48] <unfy> simonious: freecad might work well for you, dunno
[21:57:53] <Deejay> o/
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[21:58:53] <Simonious> unfy: I'm not strictly opposed to that, but if I'm going to learn a new tool I'm thinking I should invest in learning SolidWorks.. obviously that costs even more, but..
[22:00:37] <dirty_d> you could always "try it before you buy it"
[22:00:42] <_methods> you can get inventor for free for a year under the startup/educational deal
[22:00:53] <dirty_d> can any of you recomment an electrinic edge finder, preferably the ball end type
[22:01:26] <ssi> _methods: I can't find that option anymore
[22:01:36] <ssi> and it drove me sufficiently crazy that I just went back to solidworks :P
[22:01:47] <_methods> one sec
[22:02:08] <_methods> http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional
[22:02:20] <Simonious> dirty_d: I think I may have access to an old copy of solidworks
[22:02:22] <_methods> oh wow it'd 3 years
[22:02:30] <_methods> s/it'd/it's
[22:02:59] <dirty_d> most of the electronic edge finders im finding have a 20mm shaft
[22:03:13] <dirty_d> not imperial
[22:03:17] <ssi> _methods: that seems to be for educational, but not startup
[22:03:31] <_methods> yeah it has startup option in there when you start filling it out
[22:03:38] <_methods> i think startup is only a year though
[22:03:42] <Simonious> _methods: that looks interesting, is that what you use? again if I'm going to invest in learning a new tool I'd like for it to be SolidWorks, but.. *shrugs*
[22:04:06] <_methods> i use inventor, solidworks, catia, nx, whatever
[22:04:12] <_methods> whatever i have to
[22:04:43] <_methods> inventor and solidworks are sufficiently similar
[22:04:55] <_methods> you should be able to fairly easily transition between the 2
[22:04:59] <Simonious> _methods: why doesn't ONE of those handle your needs?
[22:05:13] <_methods> it depends on who i'm working for and the customre
[22:05:18] <ssi> I always wanted to try catia and nx
[22:05:18] <_methods> customer even
[22:05:20] <Simonious> _methods: for instance my buddy here uses only SolidWorks
[22:05:27] <Simonious> that seems to satisfy all of his needs
[22:05:40] <_methods> i've had customers that wanted me to use proe or catia
[22:05:46] <_methods> to work with them more seamlessly
[22:06:01] <Simonious> and document translation between softwares doesn't exist?
[22:06:12] <ssi> _methods: ah also I just signed up for Inventor Pro
[22:06:15] <_methods> you often lose feature trees during translation
[22:06:16] <ssi> which is NOT inventor fusion
[22:06:19] <ssi> and is windows only
[22:06:36] <_methods> or part history
[22:08:08] <_methods> and a lot of those packages have manufacturing/machining processes attached to them
[22:08:21] <_methods> bom stuff
[22:08:30] <ssi> bom bom BOMMMMM
[22:08:34] <_methods> custom properties
[22:08:37] <dirty_d> any of you use one of these?
[22:08:40] <dirty_d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRECISION-ELECTRONIC-DIGITAL-EDGE-FINDER-CNC-MILLING-/330518419131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46ed6bb
[22:08:53] <_methods> i only use electronic edge finder when i have to
[22:09:19] <_methods> like when i'm workin on the far side of tombstone or somewhere impossible to see
[22:09:34] <_methods> otherwise i prefer a regular edgefinder
[22:09:52] <dirty_d> isnt electronic more accurate?
[22:10:10] <dirty_d> mechnical needs a certain amount of friction to offset itself
[22:10:20] <dirty_d> electric is on the slightest contact
[22:10:26] <ssi> how accurate do you need
[22:10:54] <dirty_d> its less about that and more about ease of use
[22:11:10] <dirty_d> and that i can modify it and attach a wire to hook up to linuxcnc
[22:11:26] <dirty_d> the ball appears to be held magnetically
[22:11:39] <dirty_d> so it should work for automatec center finding and stuff
[22:11:41] <_methods> let me go see which one i have
[22:11:44] <dirty_d> automated
[22:11:48] <_methods> i just threw the box away i think
[22:13:41] <_methods> i have one of the ones that can hit in z
[22:13:46] <_methods> not the ball one
[22:14:34] <_methods> http://imgur.com/OFniAq9
[22:14:38] <_methods> that's mine
[22:14:55] <dirty_d> where and how much?
[22:15:01] <dirty_d> i havent seen one like that
[22:15:08] <_methods> i think i paid about $100
[22:15:15] <_methods> let me see if i canfind a link
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[22:15:46] <_methods> http://www.kahntools.com/electronic-3-dimensional-finder.html?gclid=CL2Fk-nDxMQCFU8A7AodnWMAyA
[22:15:56] <_methods> guess it was like $200
[22:15:56] <_methods> lol
[22:16:08] <ssi> _methods: I need a tapping head
[22:16:30] <zeeshan|2> ill tap your head
[22:16:35] <ssi> hush you
[22:16:53] <zeeshan|2> for your drill press?
[22:16:57] <ssi> for the mill\
[22:17:00] <_methods> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/06499479
[22:17:02] <ssi> I want something like a tapmatic
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[22:17:19] <zeeshan|2> u should finish your mill
[22:17:22] <zeeshan|2> so you can rigid tap!
[22:17:24] <_methods> tapping head for what?
[22:17:26] <ssi> that'd be nice
[22:17:36] <_methods> for a manual mill?
[22:17:38] <ssi> yeah
[22:17:38] <zeeshan|2> whats left on it man
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[22:17:44] <ssi> zeeshan|2: everything
[22:17:58] <zeeshan|2> you figured out the servo shit
[22:18:03] <ssi> nah it's not done
[22:18:03] <zeeshan|2> you were working on the spindle encoder
[22:18:13] <ssi> I lost all my electronics equipment
[22:18:15] <zeeshan|2> :/
[22:18:16] <_methods> you try craigslist?
[22:18:24] <ssi> for a tapping head?
[22:18:25] <_methods> you might be able to go mooch one from a local machine shop
[22:18:31] <_methods> rent it lol
[22:18:34] <ssi> haha
[22:18:45] <ssi> I have one that's attached to a pneumatic motor
[22:18:46] <_methods> most shops usually have a few layin around
[22:18:48] <ssi> but I have no collets for it
[22:18:53] <ssi> and I'd have to find it
[22:19:19] <_methods> for all those 6-32 holes?
[22:19:27] <ssi> yeah
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[22:20:25] <ssi> k dinner bai
[22:20:26] <ssi> :P
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[22:24:49] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/city-of-toronto/tapping-head/1057067067?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[22:24:50] <zeeshan|2> =]
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[22:55:28] <Simonious> well I found a 2004 version of solidworks.. the install seems to have worked, so I guess that's something
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[23:17:14] <maZer`-> hi all
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[23:58:30] <malcom2073> "found" eh? :P
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[23:59:39] <jdh> I'm sure the extras the installer put in are harmless
