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http://digg.com/video/michael-bolton-office-space
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[00:58:39] <Cromaglious> phlatplugins is driving me up the wall
[00:58:53] <Cromaglious> trying to cut an inside edge
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[01:05:15] <Cromaglious> wow didn't realize Ry underhill is STILL making Woodwright!
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[01:14:06] * lffurrywo is sick of rain
[01:17:51] <Jymmm> lffurrywo: 89F here.... Hottest March 14th on record
[01:22:24] lffurrywo is now known as furrywolf
[01:22:29] <furrywolf> it's not cold here. just wet.
[01:23:44] <malcom2073> It's pretty rainy here today too, supposed to be dry tomorrow
[01:24:23] <furrywolf> supposed to be more-rainy tomorrow here
[01:24:39] <furrywolf> I was hoping to do a dump run, but doesn't look likely.
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[01:31:43] <Cromaglious> it's Pi day so grab a piece of Pie
[01:31:55] <furrywolf> argh. I hate web designers. hate, hate, hate. looking at a website now that decided to be "cool" and display a fade over the top and bottom of text boxes... breaking scrolling in not one way, but two! If you go down a page, you miss two lines... and the fade is OVER THE SCROLL BAR, so you can't click it.
[01:32:37] <malcom2073> The problem with the internet, is that people like me are allowed (sometimes encouraged) to design webpages
[01:32:59] <malcom2073> I'm a c++ developer :P
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[01:33:28] <furrywolf> that's not that bad. it's the people with MBAs you really have to worry about.
[01:33:38] <furrywolf> or art.
[01:33:48] <furrywolf> art majors
[01:33:56] <malcom2073> Heh
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[01:35:40] <furrywolf> brb
[01:35:55] <Cromaglious> ok got phlat toys working
[01:36:15] <Cromaglious> nw trying to print out the plot grrr
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[01:43:22] <Jymmm> /nick Jymmm
[01:44:41] * furrywolf wants toys
[01:56:10] <Cromaglious> finannally got it to print.. just realized I don't have enough over hang on Y to make the cut using the cnc, I have to use a band saw
[01:57:18] <furrywolf> I need a good bandsaw.
[01:57:34] <furrywolf> I bought an old Dayton one at a yard sale, but after trying to use it, I've decided it's worn out.
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[01:58:10] <Cromaglious> get the harbor freight, then get the cool blocks for $14 and then the bearing blade guide for $40
[01:58:25] <Cromaglious> then it cuts good as a delta
[01:58:41] <furrywolf> new tools cost too much
[01:58:50] <Cromaglious> is it a 93 1/2" blade 14"
[01:58:56] <Cromaglious> the Dayton
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[01:59:30] <zee-Lathe> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 1
[01:59:30] <zee-Lathe> HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.008
[01:59:30] <zee-Lathe> HOME_FINAL_VEL = 5.025
[01:59:35] <zee-Lathe> HOME = 1 ; HOME_OFFSET = 3
[01:59:50] <zee-Lathe> why does my lathe sit at -0.2189 after it's homed?
[02:00:12] <furrywolf> I think it's a 64.something" blade
[02:00:15] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: G53 / G54 ?
[02:00:20] <Cromaglious> inner tube to replace the rubber on the wheels, replace bearings good as new, oh and get the bearing blade guide too
[02:00:20] <furrywolf> 4x6" cutting area iirc.
[02:00:39] <Cromaglious> ahh... 12 inch I think
[02:00:40] <zee-Lathe> cpresser, im in g54 mode
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[02:00:45] <furrywolf> there's no rubber on the wheels. they're solid castings.
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[02:00:52] <Cromaglious> zee what's your stepping?
[02:01:02] <zee-Lathe> ?
[02:01:11] <furrywolf> the bearings are all floppy, and it pisses out gear oil if you try adding any, so you have to use grease instead of oil.
[02:01:14] <Cromaglious> rubber innertube to make them ALOT quiter
[02:01:24] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: well, perhaps you touched off? where does "G0 G53 Z0" (or other axis) move to?
[02:01:43] <furrywolf> the pivots that join the top and the bottom halves are shot, so the whole cutting assembley can move a half inch side to side
[02:01:47] <zee-Lathe> cpresser i havent touched off
[02:02:05] <zee-Lathe> im gonna clean the tool table
[02:02:07] <furrywolf> and it can't be adjusted to cut straight because of it.
[02:02:09] <Cromaglious> furry yeah sounds like its worn out
[02:02:45] <zee-Lathe> that didnt help
[02:02:46] <Cromaglious> unless you repllllllace pins, put bushings in to fix pivots
[02:02:47] <furrywolf> got it for $40, but was in a hurry, didn't have time to give it a thourough inspection.
[02:02:48] <zee-Lathe> still doing the same thing
[02:02:53] <zee-Lathe> magic -.2189 :)
[02:03:00] <furrywolf> one of them is cracked. would need cast iron welding to fix.
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[02:03:36] <furrywolf> I've yet to make it even cut a 2x4 at less than a 10 degree slant.
[02:03:36] <Cromaglious> brazing... mule team borax and a bit of brazing rod
[02:04:17] <furrywolf> I'll probably craigslist it when I find a better one I can afford.
[02:04:41] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: try "halcmd show | grep 218" :)
[02:05:09] <furrywolf> then "I can afford" part is the hard part.
[02:05:14] <furrywolf> s/then/the
[02:05:15] <Cromaglious> I'd really suggest a Harbor Freight one if you can find it.. they're 14" using 93 1/2" blade and with kool blocks and the bearing blade guide cuts really well
[02:05:22] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT -0.218884 halui.axis.2.pos-relative
[02:05:22] <zee-Lathe> 12 s32 RW 2187 stepgen.update-freq.tmax
[02:06:01] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: so what is halui.axis.2.pos-absolute?
[02:06:32] <furrywolf> I can find it at the local harbor freight. I can't afford it.
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[02:08:55] <Captain_Crow> hello
[02:09:44] <Cromaglious> craigslist it
[02:09:55] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT -0.218884 halui.axis.2.pos-relative
[02:09:55] <zee-Lathe> 12 s32 RW 2187 stepgen.update-freq.tmax
[02:09:58] <zee-Lathe> er
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[02:10:03] <zee-Lathe> there is no such pin cpresser
[02:10:30] <Cromaglious> you can find the one I have with the rusted up table and the guid blocl top for next to nothing and $60 on top of that you have an almost new saw
[02:10:33] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT -0.218884 halui.axis.2.pos-relative
[02:10:33] <zee-Lathe> 12 s32 RW 2187 stepgen.update-freq.tmax
[02:10:34] <Captain_Crow> is there a cnc program for modern linux distros or does using linuxcnc require using only a specific linux version?
[02:10:38] <zee-Lathe> man i need to stop pasting that lol
[02:10:39] <zee-Lathe> sorry guys
[02:11:28] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT 1 halui.axis.2.pos-commanded
[02:11:28] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT 1 halui.axis.2.pos-feedback
[02:11:28] <zee-Lathe> 7 float OUT -0.218884 halui.axis.2.pos-relative
[02:11:33] <zee-Lathe> see! im commanding 1
[02:11:35] <Cromaglious> Captain_Crow, there is a newer debian distro being distributed by linuxcnc.org
[02:11:39] <zee-Lathe> but its stitting at -.21884
[02:11:57] <Cromaglious> I believe linuxcnc will now run on ubuntu 12.04
[02:12:35] <Captain_Crow> is there a downloadable program rather than having to download an entire os though?
[02:12:58] <Cromaglious> yeah, kinda fun getting going though
[02:13:05] <Cromaglious> linuxcnc.org
[02:13:37] <Captain_Crow> is there a way to get it running on linux mint 17?
[02:13:38] <Cromaglious> then having to find a realtime kernel and get that going on your machine..
[02:14:07] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: maybe you can find it, but there's a distinct shortage of usefull tools around here, and they sell for way too much because of it
[02:14:50] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: i am out of clues. i would suggest you try to cancel all offsets and stuff; then check hal-values an try to spot an error/unusual value
[02:14:50] <Cromaglious> ahh.. so next time I'mmmmmmmmmmmmmm going through land of Orgenauts I should bring a trailer full of used SoCal Machine tools
[02:15:10] <zee-Lathe> what offsets?
[02:15:24] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/4913440535.html the only metal bandsaw on the local craigslist, and it's a good drive from here. the only other bandsaw posted is a wood one... for $900.
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[02:18:08] <cpresser> zee-Lathe:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/coordinates.html
[02:18:57] <Cromaglious> http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tls/4896437180.html
[02:19:46] <furrywolf> that's a 6+ hour drive, and more than I can afford.
[02:19:51] <Cromaglious> here's on just like mine
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/tls/4897613687.html
[02:19:52] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: there are also offset-values in the tool-table
[02:19:56] <Cromaglious> $110
[02:20:28] <furrywolf> that's a wood saw
[02:20:50] <Cromaglious> cuts metal just fine... with a good metal blade
[02:21:14] <furrywolf> doesn't make automagically straight cuts with gravity feed...
[02:22:24] <Cromaglious> true... But I've cut steel, bronze, delrin, oak, pine, balsa, copper, aluminum with my saw
[02:24:28] <furrywolf> my budget is about $50...
[02:24:52] <Cromaglious> keep saving
[02:25:08] <zee-Lathe> how do you change the startup g-codes?
[02:25:11] <furrywolf> saving requires spare money.
[02:25:17] <Cromaglious> or make a power hacksaw..
[02:26:38] <Cromaglious> wiper motor, battery charger, some tube nesting tube... and some hemi joints or bronze bushings and hard bolts
[02:26:54] <furrywolf> lol
[02:27:02] <furrywolf> I've seen a few antique power hacksaws at yard sales.
[02:27:26] <Cromaglious> there you go... cut just as good, just alot slower and cheaper
[02:27:56] <furrywolf> my current project is making my shoptask lathe/mill combo work...
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[02:31:15] <cpresser> zee-Lathe: .ini file
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[02:31:52] <furrywolf> time to wire some semi-temporary lights on the porch... first step is finding an extension cord to sacrafice I think.
[02:32:21] <furrywolf> remember, folks! as long as it has a plug on the end, you can claim it's temporary if any inspectors ever shop up and bitch. :)
[02:32:24] <zee-Lathe> i dont see the section
[02:33:45] <Cromaglious> They really love it when it's all powered from a 30amp dryer plug
[02:33:57] <Cromaglious> to a cord sub panel
[02:34:02] <furrywolf> s/shop/show
[02:34:03] <furrywolf> lol
[02:34:34] <zee-Lathe> nm found it
[02:35:16] <furrywolf> I have a long, skinny enclosed porch on one side of the house... installing some light sockets every 6' with LED bulbs.
[02:37:12] <furrywolf> got some porcelain lamp holders that were meant to screw 1/8ip to the back, bent the tabs over to the side so I can mount them flush... then just stick a piece of roof flashing before the bulb, and presto.
[02:38:35] <furrywolf> splice into the middle of a scrap extension cord...
[02:43:49] <Cromaglious> ok finanaly got phlat figured out now to make a sheet of gears
[02:43:56] <furrywolf> yay, I even have the perfect cord. an old troublelight with a flat zip-cord style wire.
[02:44:35] <furrywolf> it's not the original wire, as it's grounded while the light isn't...
[02:46:28] <furrywolf> wow, pretty sketchy plug in the light too... it just has loose blades that push against one side of the prong, no pinching/clamping action of any kind.
[02:48:02] <zee-Lathe> man this is so confusing.
[02:48:17] <zee-Lathe> if i mdi to g0 and read pos-relative
[02:48:23] <zee-Lathe> g01 z0 it reads 0.
[02:48:42] <zee-Lathe> scale is correct. its just after homing its being weird.
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[02:59:17] <zee-Lathe> cpresser it was a stored g54 causing the issue.
[03:00:03] <Tom_itx> what modal commands are active during each?
[03:00:10] <Tom_itx> nm
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[03:13:50] <zee-Lathe> man im fabricating an enclosure
[03:13:53] <zee-Lathe> using cardboard
[03:14:05] <zee-Lathe> its exactly like making ducts for cars :)
[03:14:14] <zee-Lathe> a pain in the a$$
[03:15:10] <furrywolf> lol
[03:16:15] <zee-Lathe> furry knows the pain
[03:16:16] <zee-Lathe> :)
[03:16:16] <furrywolf> I wrote a program a long time ago to generate cutting templates if you're rolling sheet into tube... you specify where each bend or radius change is, and it generates it. it only handles angular bends and conical diameter changes, however... and it's for round ducts, not enclosures... and I haven't seen the code in ten years. details...
[03:16:32] <zee-Lathe> im a bit old school
[03:16:38] <zee-Lathe> i just do layout with cardboard
[03:16:54] <zee-Lathe> unless im gonna get it bent somewhere else
[03:16:57] <zee-Lathe> then i need drawings :/
[03:16:59] <furrywolf> also, as to car ducts... flexible tube is EASY. :P
[03:17:05] <zee-Lathe> well im talking about
[03:17:13] <zee-Lathe> like a v mount intercooler/radiator setup
[03:17:17] <zee-Lathe> very common on rx7s
[03:17:46] <furrywolf> for hvac and intakes, flexible is easy. :)
[03:18:19] <furrywolf> hrmm, I don't think I got any pics of the intake I did for my subaru... I started with a stock one, then spent a day cutting and gluing it into a new shape.
[03:19:24] <furrywolf> it started out going from the back of the engine to an airbox on the passenger fender, with a bunch of tubes on the bottom, and a fat iac tube... now it goes to a cone filter on the driver's side, with all the tubes still on the bottom, and the iac routed around the back of the engine...
[03:20:43] <furrywolf> going to have to do some creative plumbing and ducting on someone else's subaru... the new engine is going to reach all the way to the back of the front grille. :)
[03:21:10] <furrywolf> radiator will probably go on top of the engine+transmission, with fans blowing the air down the sides of the tranny.
[03:23:30] <furrywolf> new engine is something like 8" longer than stock, and you can't move it back more than an inch without fucking up the cv joints.
[03:24:00] <furrywolf> probably going to leave tranny in stock location, and have the accessory belts running inside the grille.
[03:24:01] <Cromaglious> taking out a 4 and putting in a 6?
[03:24:04] <furrywolf> yep
[03:25:14] <furrywolf> original motor was a 1.8L EA81... currently it has a 2.2L EJ22 in it, already a few inches longer than the stock motor, had to use pusher fans... now swapping in an EG33, 3.3L 6-cylinder.
[03:25:41] <furrywolf> the EJ22 isn't a bad motor, and it's 60hp over stock, but he wants a lot more low-end grunt.
[03:25:59] <Cromaglious> wooo nice dual over head cam
[03:26:00] <furrywolf> EG33 is 230hp naturally aspirated, and a lot more torque.
[03:26:19] <Cromaglious> EA81 isn't that a brad motor?
[03:26:23] <Cromaglious> brat
[03:26:39] <Cromaglious> no Brat was 1.6l
[03:26:49] <furrywolf> early brats used the EA71, up to 1980 or so, then they used the EA81 until they stopped making them in 87 or whatever.
[03:27:01] <furrywolf> ea71 is 1.6l, ea81 1.8l.
[03:27:46] <furrywolf> one of my subarus has an EJ22 in place of the stock EA81, but I think I'm happy with that, not going to shove a 6cyl in mine.
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[03:28:00] <Cromaglious> had a buddy with a EA71 then with 356K miles on it
[03:28:13] <furrywolf> if I do any drivetrain mods, it's going to be cracking the tranny to fit a torsen diff in it.
[03:28:56] <furrywolf> while subarus do have more suspension travel than other cars, they're still cars, and are more prone to having a wheel in the air than a jeep is.
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[03:31:31] <furrywolf> the ea71 can be reliable, but the ea81 is more reliable... and more power.
[03:31:59] <furrywolf> most subaru motors are pretty reliable, and the ones in the '80s will generally last ~forever if maintained.
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[03:33:40] <furrywolf> I just replaced the distributor on my EA81 subaru... the old one got so much shaft play the rotor ate the sensor. my last one did that too... seems the dists are the first part to wear out, but they're 5 minutes to replace.
[03:34:12] <furrywolf> (yes, 5 minutes. and that includes needing to locate tools.)
[03:42:04] <XXCoder> hey furrywolf
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[04:06:48] <Cromaglious> 147 PS is 145 BHP 108 KW
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[04:16:53] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, said BRB 15 minutes ago
[04:18:23] <XXCoder> really? in my side it shows last time she said something about 5 minutes nd including time to locate tools
[04:19:19] * furrywolf is in more than one place at a time! muwahahaha!
[04:19:56] <furrywolf> was finishing up my light string... should have bought another socket. will do so tomorrow.
[04:20:39] <Cromaglious> I love the LED buld... replacing a 60w light bulb with a 7w LED
[04:20:40] <XXCoder> ahh lool
[04:21:10] <Cromaglious> or replacing the 23w CFL with a 7W LED
[04:21:12] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wanted to ask you - I cleaned van egr but it still errors out :( just much longer and van runs much better
[04:21:15] <furrywolf> 60W replacements are generally 9W. the 7W ones are dimmer.
[04:21:22] <XXCoder> so what else would I do?
[04:21:28] <Cromaglious> ok 9w...
[04:21:36] <furrywolf> and 23W CFLs need 15-19W LEDs. don't believe chinese "equivalents". look at the lumens.
[04:21:39] <XXCoder> I always look at lumens. "60w" is generally 840 lumens
[04:21:48] <XXCoder> indeed1
[04:22:22] <XXCoder> I once saw 100w "equivalent" that was ~400 lumens lol
[04:22:49] <furrywolf> check whatever sensors it uses to determine egr flow
[04:23:12] <furrywolf> cleaning a clogged EGR shouldn't make the vehicle run better, either...
[04:23:30] <XXCoder> oh it was other fixes too like iac and new termostat
[04:23:31] <Cromaglious> Now I have to find dimmers with a low end set... so I can go to almost off on the adjustment and still have light
[04:24:20] <Cromaglious> my old dimmers.. you get to around 1/4 or 1/3 and the LED goes out then you have to turn it up to 1/3 or 2/5 to get it to light again
[04:24:32] <furrywolf> people still use dimmers?
[04:24:46] <XXCoder> my home dinner room has dimmer
[04:24:50] <XXCoder> led lights work well there.
[04:25:02] <XXCoder> if its set to minium it would flash sometimes lol
[04:25:15] <XXCoder> caps would build up then flash then build up
[04:25:16] * furrywolf likes light, and usually wants a brightener, not a dimmer...
[04:25:51] <furrywolf> I need to get to sleep... bbl, wolfy bedtime.
[04:25:53] <Cromaglious> both bathrooms are on dimmers, dinning room, bedroom
[04:26:55] <furrywolf> ... god damnit. looks like my marginal battery decided to stop being marginal today.
[04:27:10] <furrywolf> FN port 3, A -11.5A (enabled), B 0.0A (disabled), C 0.0A (disabled), batt 22.4V, btemp 99.0C, SOC 64.0%, flags 0x08, extra id 2, data 0.00.
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[04:27:44] <furrywolf> it used to stay over 23V until <20% SOC... now it dropped down to the 22s while still over 60% SOC.
[04:28:30] <furrywolf> this means that the marginal battery is now officially a 4V battery, not a 6W battery.
[04:28:34] <furrywolf> 6V
[04:28:52] <furrywolf> but, for now, sleep. bbl.
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[06:48:24] <tiwake> is there a good house floor design thing I can use in linux?
[06:48:38] <tiwake> sketchup is windows/OSX only
[06:49:06] <XXCoder> maybe solvespace
[06:49:07] <XXCoder> its new
[06:49:22] <tiwake> and sketchup didnt look like it worked very well in wine
[06:49:22] <XXCoder> probably not though
[06:50:23] <tiwake> well, I'm at the stage where I cant decide how I want a floor plan to be, or really what I want in a house
[06:50:53] <tiwake> no basement, three stories is too tall
[06:50:58] <tiwake> other than that...
[06:51:15] <XXCoder> hmm make it 4d cube
[06:51:19] <tiwake> I know what I want for building materials, more or less
[06:51:20] <XXCoder> kidding
[06:51:24] <Jymmm> plumbing is always a good thing
[06:51:31] <XXCoder> why?
[06:51:38] <XXCoder> just use tubes to bring it outside
[06:51:43] <XXCoder> oh thats plumbing lol
[06:51:50] <Jymmm> that's lumbing
[06:51:59] <Jymmm> plumbing*
[06:51:59] <tiwake> cut a hole in the concrete floor
[06:52:30] <tiwake> ah, anyway
[06:54:20] <tiwake> egh... that one looks like a screen shot from the sims
[06:54:27] <XXCoder> well
[06:54:38] <XXCoder> sims with cheats can be pretty decent planner
[06:54:49] <tiwake> (looking at random house designs online)
[06:55:24] <tiwake> there are a couple things
[06:56:54] <tiwake> using ICF for the outer walls (maybe for a wall or two for the master bedroom for sound-proofing.. hehe) so the walls would be pretty strong in general, which would allow for a flatter roof. really steep roofs are evil XD
[06:57:13] <XXCoder> is there trees near house?
[06:57:22] <XXCoder> if so, steep is bit better, less roof shoveling
[06:57:30] <XXCoder> same for heavy snows
[06:57:35] <tiwake> true too
[06:57:43] <tiwake> no snow around here, just lots of trees
[06:57:49] <tiwake> (oregon coast)
[06:57:57] <XXCoder> other way is metal roof
[06:58:04] <XXCoder> there is couple cons but easy clean
[06:58:05] <tiwake> metal roof is going to happen
[06:58:36] <XXCoder> thinking about sims
[06:58:41] <XXCoder> it really can work as designer.
[06:58:49] <XXCoder> it even has funtures
[06:58:55] <tiwake> heh
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[06:59:24] <XXCoder> no idea if it supports multifloor though
[06:59:28] <tiwake> never played it, dont have a copy of it, and dont have a copy of windows to run it on
[06:59:58] <XXCoder> yea I guess it means you gonna use something
[07:00:14] <XXCoder> solvespace might work but it is awkward compiling it from what I read
[07:00:22] <tiwake> I was thinking about pencil and paper really
[07:00:33] <XXCoder> windows version would work in wine if hardware accercation enablked
[07:01:13] <tiwake> oh gosh so many things I could do
[07:01:19] <tiwake> for the house
[07:01:43] <XXCoder> just be sure you has a shop you'll be fine lol
[07:01:52] <tiwake> thats the other thing
[07:02:07] <tiwake> do I want a garage and shop to be the same building?
[07:02:14] <tiwake> should it be attached to the house?
[07:02:24] <XXCoder> well can be seperate by 3 feet or so
[07:02:34] <XXCoder> cheaper insurance and 3 feet is nothing even in heavy rain
[07:02:56] <XXCoder> well dunno about your insurance and state definitions
[07:03:03] <roycroft> in many places a detached garage increases property taxes by quite a bit more than the same size attached garage
[07:03:13] <tiwake> thats a good point
[07:03:30] <XXCoder> roy really? I would think it'd be cheaper since less fire risk
[07:03:39] <Jymmm> Insurance is higher on a detached garage too
[07:03:39] <XXCoder> propety tax ahh
[07:03:41] <tiwake> optimize house, garage, and shop design for tax purposes
[07:03:46] <roycroft> property taxes have nothing to do with fire risk
[07:03:48] <XXCoder> and insurance
[07:03:52] <roycroft> that's a matter for insurance
[07:04:04] <XXCoder> yeah I misread what you said roy
[07:04:23] <roycroft> i'd check into all of those things before deciding what to do
[07:04:31] <XXCoder> permissions too
[07:04:43] <roycroft> yes, zoning regulations are also important
[07:04:51] <XXCoder> seperate may mean he has to pay 2 permissions, house and garage vs one thing
[07:05:41] <roycroft> all other factors being equal i personally would prefer a detached shop with a covered walkway between it and the house
[07:06:00] <roycroft> i'd keep some things in the house though, such as my electronics workbench
[07:06:01] <XXCoder> careful with "covered" with laws definitions
[07:06:11] <tjtr33> sketchup ver 9 runs well under wine and ubuntu 10.04
[07:06:14] <tjtr33> i use it a lot
[07:06:29] <roycroft> i'm ignoring all those factors, xxcoder
[07:06:59] <roycroft> currently i use my attached garage as my main shop
[07:07:03] <XXCoder> yeah just need to be careful, for example connected roof may make it into one thing in eyes of law not house and garage for exampkle
[07:07:08] <tjtr33> make that ver 8, just checked
[07:07:09] <roycroft> i do woodworking, machining, and brewing in it
[07:07:12] <roycroft> as well as laundry
[07:07:22] <roycroft> i have a detached building that i use as a welding/grinding/painting shop
[07:07:36] <roycroft> my painting tent can be set up in the garage or the welding shop
[07:07:39] <Jymmm> bathroom (with shower) in shop/garage
[07:08:02] <XXCoder> living room spa room
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[07:10:10] <XXCoder> heh I did read about people actually putting spa in living room
[07:10:11] <XXCoder> insane.
[07:10:18] <XXCoder> spa is heavy
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[07:12:44] <Jymmm> un ground spa
[07:12:48] <Jymmm> in*
[07:13:05] <XXCoder> One I read about it was in second floor
[07:13:14] <XXCoder> I'm amazed house floor managed to hold
[07:13:22] <Jymmm> that's just dumb
[07:13:34] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:13:43] <Jymmm> unless it was like a split level
[07:14:37] <XXCoder> maybe it was that. been a long while
[07:25:18] <Jymmm> You could, but if there ever was a leak...
[07:25:32] <XXCoder> free house rot!
[07:25:40] <XXCoder> supply is limited
[07:26:04] <XXCoder> smart kid.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8461574144/h0DEC93EF/
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[07:32:13] <Jymmm> lol or smartass, either works =)
[07:32:24] <XXCoder> yep
[07:34:49] <tiwake> hmm
[07:34:55] <tiwake> where can I get sketchup 9?
[07:35:07] <tiwake> or 8 :P
[07:35:08] <XXCoder> isnt sketchup google?
[07:35:21] <tiwake> used to be, I think they sold it recently
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[07:35:38] <XXCoder> wonder if theres site for older versions
[07:35:52] <tiwake> tiz what I'm looking for
[07:37:15] <XXCoder> http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-stupid-kitchen-hacks-tested-usefulness/ the section on butter is funny
[07:38:35] <tiwake> http://filehippo.com/download_sketchup/9114/
[07:38:49] <tiwake> not sure I trust that source
[07:38:55] <XXCoder> dunno too
[07:39:14] <XXCoder> the egg hack is fine if its for yourself, definitely not reserant usable hack :P
[07:39:27] <XXCoder> (second page not suck yolk one)
[07:40:21] <Jymmm> easiest to just do it in your hand.
[07:40:41] <XXCoder> I remember this tip of putting eggs in vingear for a bit before boiling
[07:40:46] <XXCoder> 'so it peels off easier
[07:40:52] <XXCoder> may not be vingear
[07:41:03] <tiwake> nitric acid?
[07:41:05] <Jymmm> salt or baking soda
[07:41:20] <XXCoder> youre right
[07:41:40] <Jymmm> who's right?
[07:41:45] <XXCoder> you
[07:41:51] <XXCoder> http://www.thekitchn.com/are-hardboiled-eggs-easier-to-peel-if-you-add-baking-soda-to-the-water-putting-tips-to-the-test-in-the-kitchn-202522
[07:41:52] <tiwake> oh nice
[07:42:00] <tiwake> I'm right
[07:42:07] <XXCoder> lol
[07:42:13] <XXCoder> fine Jymmm
[07:42:17] <XXCoder> *is right
[07:42:18] <Jymmm> Eh, in actuality as long as the eggs are NOT fresh, they peel easily
[07:42:39] <XXCoder> its almost always "glued on" here
[07:42:55] <XXCoder> results are mixed apparently
[07:44:47] <tiwake> the garlic one is funny
[07:45:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:45:36] <Jymmm> garic is SUPER esasy to peel
[07:45:37] <tiwake> lol
[07:45:43] <tiwake> I love garlic so much
[07:45:53] <tiwake> screw you garlic haters
[07:45:54] <tiwake> haha
[07:46:50] <Jymmm> Place a whole head of garlic in a metal bowl, place another metal bowl on top, shake like hell. Garlic completely peeled. (seriously)
[07:48:31] <tiwake> step 1: buy peeled garlic in 5lb bags
[07:48:43] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d3oc24fD-c
[07:49:39] <tiwake> http://img.21food.com/20110609/product/1307482605239.jpg
[07:49:44] <tiwake> oh gosh
[07:49:50] <tiwake> garlic gasm
[07:49:57] <tiwake> I love garlic so much
[07:50:02] <XXCoder> :P
[07:50:25] <Jymmm> 4000 clove chicken, and a small diet soda.
[07:50:50] <tiwake> diet soda? blarf
[07:51:31] <XXCoder> oh I read bit ago that apparently scientists figured out how to unscamble egg
[07:51:39] <tiwake> yeah
[07:51:40] <XXCoder> cook and scamble it, they can undo it
[07:51:48] <tiwake> protein folding
[07:51:50] <tiwake> research
[07:52:04] <XXCoder> its bit odd but maybe something useful will be found.
[07:52:05] <tiwake> though its still not quite the same... heh
[07:52:31] <XXCoder> I had to laugh a bit. one of plots in thursday next book series has unscambled egg recipe thats basis of time travel
[07:52:46] <tiwake> it is rather useful... because of how proteins arrange themselves in dense clusters, like an egg or skin cells or w/e
[07:58:55] <renesis> eggs are neat
[07:59:34] <Jymmm> and tasty
[07:59:53] <renesis> ya
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[08:01:44] <Deejay> moin
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[08:47:02] <XXCoder> diy surface grinder dang
[08:47:29] <XXCoder> http://www.hossmachine.info/projects_4.html#surface%20grinder
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[09:13:16] <XXCoder> http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer
[09:13:18] <XXCoder> insane
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[10:31:39] <ReadError> hey guys
[10:31:46] <ReadError> whats the tool called that does this..
http://www.ahsystems.com/catalog/data/info/oc530.jpg
[10:31:53] <ReadError> camfer ?
[10:32:02] <ReadError> rounds the end of a tube
[10:32:30] <ReadError> er chamfer isnt it
[10:35:55] <archivist> it that started as tube then it has been formed rather than cut
[10:35:59] <archivist> if
[10:36:29] <ReadError> yea
[10:36:35] <ReadError> i want to round the end
[10:36:47] <ReadError> of brass/copper tube
[10:37:17] <archivist> cutaway drawing?
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[10:39:21] <archivist> are you wanting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_spinning
[10:40:16] <ReadError> yea
[10:40:22] <ReadError> something i can chuck in a lathe
[10:40:30] <ReadError> and press a tube into to reduce it
[10:41:19] <archivist> other way round, tube in a collet on a former, tool leans on it
[10:41:56] <archivist> you want to upset the metal, may need annealing mid process
[10:42:08] <ReadError> its not structural
[10:42:26] <ReadError> is there a name for said device/tool?
[10:42:31] <archivist> it hardens then wrinkles or splits
[10:43:00] <archivist> hence need for the annealing, can only go so far
[10:44:00] <archivist> it may be sensible to start with flat sheet on a spinning lathe
[10:44:52] <ReadError> im only using 5mm tube
[10:45:04] <ReadError> and reducing it to 2-3 at the tip
[10:45:13] <archivist> want to leave a hole?
[10:45:17] <ReadError> yea
[10:45:55] <archivist> you may get away with a collet and a hand rest only
[10:47:09] <archivist> this guy has a roller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um-biLfru-c
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[10:51:15] <archivist> so a ball race in a tool holder pressed against the tube to form the shape
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[10:57:01] <ReadError> there has to be something easy for this
[10:57:10] <ReadError> like a bowl type thing
[10:57:13] <ReadError> jam tube in
[10:58:33] <archivist> not sure that will work but
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37-pc-Doming-Block-and-Punch-Set-made-of-Steel-Dapping-/290516481067
[10:58:59] <archivist> clockmakers use that for doming hand washers
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[11:00:17] <archivist> your problem is other parts of the tube will deform as much as the end possibly
[11:00:43] <archivist> depends on grip, support etc
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[11:01:31] <archivist> and how many you want to make
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[12:14:01] <ketul> I am interested for New realtime kernels in LinuxCNC
[12:14:20] <ketul> can anyone help for getting started
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[12:24:28] <SpeedEvil> What do you maen by that?
[12:26:56] <archivist> gsoc student
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[12:56:53] <jthornton> anyone have a clue what this means on wheezy
http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=22823
[12:58:19] <archivist> did you say yes to an OS upgrade
[12:58:41] <jthornton> not that I know of
[12:58:58] <jthornton> it shows up on both of my wheezy computers now
[12:59:26] <jthornton> kinda hard to answer two questions with a yes or no
[12:59:48] <archivist> I hate upgrades and the breakages
[13:02:09] <jthornton> it's a trick question... do you want to do a or b yes or no?
[13:03:15] <archivist> I suppose it is asking you have already said yes to upgrade now shall we chuck stuff or not
[13:07:41] <jthornton> now I get this
http://postimg.org/image/7h0840vbn/
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[13:09:42] <archivist> I suppose they are also admitting upgrading is not safe
[13:10:09] <jthornton> dunno, never had this problem before
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[13:16:04] <SpeedEvil> Upgrading is never safe.
[13:16:10] <SpeedEvil> Downgrading is never safe.
[13:16:16] <SpeedEvil> Staying static is never safe.
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[13:16:35] <jthornton> lol
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[13:27:24] <pcw_home> Thats the standard upgrade message but in Debian its designed to make you queasy
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[14:14:44] <Tom_itx> how is it an upgrade if it doesn't remove packages or install new ones?
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[14:16:28] <pcw_home> its upgraded your confusion
[14:16:50] <Tom_itx> windows just does it and makes you regret it
[14:17:03] <pcw_home> :-)
[14:18:37] <archivist> a few months ago I did a win7 laptop that had no updates for years, took best part of a couple of days
[14:21:15] <pcw_home> Yeah my ebay laptop had a fresh (and relatively ancient) win7 installation, also took days to get up to date
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[14:23:14] <archivist> reboot hell :)
[14:23:53] <pcw_home> then update-grub busted the MBR on the windows drive
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[14:27:46] <archivist> the reason the upgrades had never been done was an original intel driver(not even needed) being incompatible after it went from win98 to win7
[14:35:23] <ssi> http://www.recilaser.com/en/newsInfo/ba9e706849167e770149177de8e00e86.htm
[14:35:24] <ssi> hah neat
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[14:51:17] <ssi> thanks for the info, reci:
[14:51:18] <ssi> Do not clean the exterior surface of the output widow mirror with tools such as tampon; otherwise the output power will be seriously affected.
[14:51:41] <ssi> If the methods above don't work effectively, it is necessary to go after the professional workers to
[14:51:44] <ssi> use tampon with alcohol to clean the mirror surface from middle to edge. The best solution is to
[14:51:48] <ssi> prevent the window from being polluted.
[14:51:51] <ssi> apparently professional workers are the only ones qualified to wield a tampon
[14:52:54] <archivist> I have never wielded a tampon when cleaning a window
[14:54:55] <ssi> perhaps you should try it
[14:54:59] <ssi> but only if you are professional worker
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[14:58:37] <archivist> I do odd jobs for a window company, does that make me a professional :)
[14:58:42] <ssi> yep
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[14:59:41] <archivist> but we use elephant sized bog roll
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[16:28:29] <furrywolf> I hate batteries.
[16:30:54] <_methods> only if you use a tampon
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[16:32:12] <furrywolf> ... is that to me, or did I walk in on something? lol
[16:34:01] <furrywolf> one of my L16s has decided to become 4V instead of 6V, so now I can't run large loads or the inverter will trip on undervoltage.
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[16:39:41] <_methods> yeah ssi is trying to become a professional worker
[16:41:57] <renesis> cant use tampon until pro
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[16:44:22] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I occasionally wonder about simple lead-acid cells in jars, with a little reprocessor that takes the cell contents, melts, adds CO/... and out pops lead and acid, which go into a new battery
[16:45:14] <furrywolf> I have a feeling, though I've never done the math, that the energy input needed to make a lead-acid battery exceeds the energy it stores over its life...
[16:46:29] * furrywolf isn't sure how tampons relates, so goes back to posting a wanted ad on craigslist for batteries
[16:48:37] <renesis> because ur a girl and tampons are for girls
[16:49:23] <renesis> not enough tampons in STEM fields
[16:49:29] <SpeedEvil> It was following on from archivists comment that he uses elephant-sized bog-roll
[16:50:19] <renesis> which followed on cleaning lasers with tampons is only allowed by certified professions
[16:50:37] <renesis> do not try this, with tampons, at home
[16:50:53] <furrywolf> lol
[16:51:12] * furrywolf is soft and fluffy
[16:53:48] <furrywolf> I could re-arrange my batteries to not use this one, but it'll leave me with pretty crap capacity, and this battery does still store a decent Ah, it just self-discharges in a couple days... not sure which is worse.
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[16:54:45] <archivist> dead batteries are dead, replace
[16:55:04] <furrywolf> do I want ~160Ah with a cell that self-discharges, or do I want ~100Ah that stores reliably? heh
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[16:56:51] <furrywolf> I might be able to toss a couple semi-dead marine deepcycles in parallel with some of the re-arranged batteries to make up some of the capacity... probably the best option.
[16:57:51] <furrywolf> archivist: replacing with new batteries is expensive
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[16:59:31] <Cromaglious> furry research high frequency battery rejuvenators... the cut the lead sulfication on the plates and get some of it to reconvert to klead and back to sulphuric acis and the rest sublimes to the bottom of the batter, so no internal shorts (self discharge)
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[17:00:36] <furrywolf> sulfation doesn't cause internal shorts. the exact opposite, in fact. the sulfate is an insulator, which results in reduced capacity.
[17:01:11] <furrywolf> internal shorts are caused by too much crap at the bottom of the battery, or swollen, buckled, crumbling, disintegrated, or otherwise failed plates.
[17:03:18] <furrywolf> also, my experience is those things are all utterly useless, and the best cure for sulfation is an extended overcharge with a cheapo unregulated transformer+rectifier charger, keeping the water topped up.
[17:04:00] <furrywolf> if you read the instructions for many of them, you're supposed to use them while also charging the battery continually... and guess which part is actually being helpful? heh
[17:05:11] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I've heard simply opening them up, and actually properly soldering a shorting bar across them. (lead of course)
[17:05:45] <furrywolf> that would fix a bad contact... not going to do much for any other failure.
[17:05:47] <SpeedEvil> Sulphation can also cause plate geometry changes as I understand it, which can also flake bits off
[17:06:00] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Or a partially shorted cell. For some values of 'fix
[17:06:16] <Cromaglious> so if you automate the charge and discharge of a battery you can bring it back?
[17:06:37] <SpeedEvil> Cromaglious: In limited cases, yes
[17:06:48] <SpeedEvil> If there have not been certain classes of physical damage
[17:07:02] <SpeedEvil> - you're not going to remove sludge from the bottom of the battery, or ...
[17:07:38] <archivist> you can pressure wash and refill acid
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[17:08:33] <furrywolf> hrmm, radio shack is apparantly selling their parts drawers. do I need a nice sliding drawer storage thingy?
[17:09:20] <SpeedEvil> You could always make one out of old batteries :)
[17:09:33] <furrywolf> "WE HAVE, SHOWCASES, CHECKOUT COUNTERS, POS SYSTEM, SECURITY SYSTEMS, MONITORS, DESKS, CHAIRS, LADDERS, STOCKROOM SHELVING, PARTS BIN, ETC,ETC,ETC,ETC!!!!!!!!!!"
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[17:10:19] <SpeedEvil> Sounds worth checking out at least
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[17:12:22] <CaptHindsight> sad that the best stuff at Radio Shack is their cabinetry and show cases
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[17:13:40] <SpeedEvil> :/
[17:14:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - the internet prettty much killed the remnants of the electronics retail shop.
[17:14:26] <SpeedEvil> Those that hadn't gotten eaten by large catalog stores.
[17:14:54] <furrywolf> I think idiotic management killed them... like having 95% of the store be stupidly overpriced cell phone accessories that no one would ever buy. cigarette USB power adapters for $20, etc.
[17:14:54] <CaptHindsight> now i have to order a fuse, led or 4 pin molex rather than drive 20 minutes to get one
[17:15:07] <CaptHindsight> yes, I agree
[17:15:29] <SpeedEvil> Problem is at some point you lose thefootfall.
[17:15:31] <CaptHindsight> they should have sold the top 200 electronics items on alibaba or similar
[17:15:32] <furrywolf> they had a good idea with their maker-oriented remodel... but too late.
[17:16:06] <furrywolf> being able to take your stl file down to the local radio shack and print it would have brought a decent number of people in I suspect.
[17:16:11] <SpeedEvil> In principle radio shack could have had an awesome maker platform - but a couple of years too early
[17:16:22] <SpeedEvil> 3d hasn't properly hit yt
[17:16:22] <SpeedEvil> et
[17:16:36] <CaptHindsight> of like Fastenal, have several regional hubs and what they dont have today, it's at the store the next day
[17:16:43] <Cromaglious> I ordered resistors online, thursday, received them from Ohio Saturday
[17:16:43] <furrywolf> the one that's selling all the fixtures was starting their maker remodel... didn't get it finished.
[17:17:20] <CaptHindsight> they could have sold unlocked everythings
[17:17:22] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: I have never ordered anything from fastenal. every time I go in there, the high prices, high shipping charges (even between stores), and crap service have always resulted in my leaving.
[17:17:28] <CaptHindsight> phones, tablets, netbooks etc
[17:18:21] <furrywolf> I wanted some little screws, I think they were 6-40 or something... they wanted something like 15 cents a screw, would only get me a bag of 50, and wanted $5 to ship it from the hub to the store, a week later.
[17:18:51] <CaptHindsight> my hub is ~300 miles away and it gets here the next day
[17:18:58] <furrywolf> they couldn't get the metric bolts I needed, period.
[17:19:01] <CaptHindsight> they run a truck every night
[17:19:06] <furrywolf> while a local store was able to
[17:19:25] <furrywolf> I can't remember all the times I've tried them, but I've never left with anything.
[17:19:32] <CaptHindsight> Radio shack could have had 10-20 regional warehouses with all the top selling China gadgets
[17:20:02] <CaptHindsight> the stores could have been for local pickup and warranty
[17:20:14] <CaptHindsight> also to demo new stuff
[17:20:43] <CaptHindsight> anti-apple products
[17:21:04] <CaptHindsight> the could have debunked the over priced iCrap
[17:21:49] <furrywolf> pissing apple off is bad when you're large enough to be worth suing.
[17:22:02] <CaptHindsight> but they wanted to make the majority of their income on cell plans
[17:22:36] <furrywolf> I think they could have done well with the maker stuff... trying to pretend to be a mini-hackerspace, etc...
[17:23:04] <CaptHindsight> with a chain of stores with overheads much higher than a kiosk at the mall
[17:23:28] <furrywolf> malls suck. anything in a mall I avoid.
[17:23:33] <SpeedEvil> Plus - with a one-man-band - staffing isn't an issue
[17:25:30] <furrywolf> the weather is being weird today... feels like a storm. it's getting windy, but the humidity is dropping to record lows... and 29.7 barometer isn't good either...
[17:25:56] * furrywolf checks what the nws has to say
[17:26:35] <CaptHindsight> dry heat is good for arthritis
[17:26:46] <furrywolf> "Models are in decent agreement indicating that this
[17:26:47] <furrywolf> band will be heavier (periods of moderate to locally heavy rain)"
[17:26:50] <furrywolf> yay.
[17:27:39] <furrywolf> "Gale Warning from 10 am this morning to 5 PM PDT this afternoon" redundancy, anyone?
[17:28:36] <furrywolf> meh, I can't run the microwave without firing up the genny. I hate batteries.
[17:28:41] * furrywolf eats bagels and lox instead
[17:29:46] <furrywolf> I need to make a trip to the dump today, go to the hardware store, and shuffle batteries around... probably eat, then dump, try to get it done before the rain hits.
[17:31:21] <SpeedEvil> Question is - can you pick up new batteries at the dump :)
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[17:32:37] <furrywolf> no
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[17:53:40] <furrywolf> wtf?! I've apparantly been blocked from craigslist, by IP.
[17:54:20] <SpeedEvil> Are you on a shared IP?
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[17:58:58] <furrywolf> no
[17:59:36] <Jymmm> More than likely by subnet, not individual IP
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[18:10:03] <furrywolf> why would you do a subnet block on static IPs?
[18:11:16] <CaptHindsight> maybe they think the spammers (or whatever they have a beef with) have a block of ip
[18:12:00] <SpeedEvil> Or a dynamic IP kill
[18:12:07] <SpeedEvil> asuming it's dynamic rather
[18:12:15] <SpeedEvil> maybe some pople on that subnet have dynami
[18:12:16] <SpeedEvil> c
[18:13:45] <CaptHindsight> some spammers are very hands on, I get requests from the same ip at times with captchas that I can hardly read in blocks of 10-100
[18:14:26] <CaptHindsight> same ip block, different username and different email address
[18:14:27] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: There's no way to know that your IP is static from the craiglist end.
[18:15:53] <renesis> also if someone on the same block hit from two IP, its safest
[18:16:00] <renesis> maybe someone just doesnt like you furrywolf
[18:16:41] <ReadError> mcmaster bans you
[18:16:46] <ReadError> if you browse too much ;/
[18:16:51] <ReadError> maybe similar ?
[18:16:52] <renesis> no shit?
[18:16:55] <ReadError> ya
[18:17:00] <renesis> without buying?
[18:17:03] <ReadError> had to call them and be like 'hey bro unban me'
[18:17:03] <renesis> what is too much
[18:17:08] <ReadError> nah dude i had shit in my cart
[18:17:13] <ReadError> and couldnt even checkout
[18:17:24] <renesis> how long were you browsing?
[18:17:29] <renesis> like two weeks? two hours?
[18:17:36] <ReadError> less than an hour
[18:17:59] <renesis> thats really weird ive worked on BOM shit and been there all day
[18:18:19] <ReadError> well i was sourcing a lot of various stuff
[18:18:22] <ReadError> and using the search
[18:18:57] <renesis> they they finally overhaul their site to make search useful and direct linking possible
[18:19:08] <renesis> and now they get mad when people use it?
[18:19:56] <renesis> maybe you searched to quick and they thought you were a DOS attack because stupid security script parameters
[18:22:02] <archivist> or thought it was a bot scraping the prices
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[18:27:39] <renesis> yeahs its maybe how you were browsing not how much
[18:27:44] <renesis> but thats dumb
[18:30:17] <furrywolf> I did just do several quick searches in a row...
[18:30:43] <Jymmm> furrywolf: they have no idea whats static or dynamic, if they're gettng hit by multiple ips in the same subnet, block the subnet
[18:31:10] <Jymmm> and it's not viewing, it's posting they usually block on.
[18:31:53] <Jymmm> so look for posts in your area tha look like spam and you found the bastard
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[18:38:38] <furrywolf> kinda hard to look for posts when you're blocked. :P
[18:39:12] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You're blocked from VIEWING or POSTING ?
[18:40:05] <XXCoder> furrywolf: got any vpn?
[18:42:13] <furrywolf> Jymmm: anything. loading craigslist.org.
[18:42:41] <furrywolf> yes, I do use a vpn... to a static IP. my isp doesn't let you use the web in a functional fashion.
[18:43:03] <alex4nder> you in prison?
[18:43:05] <XXCoder> heavy filters or what? not sure what you mean funcional way
[18:45:13] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Be nice and email help@craigslist.org with you IP letting them know you can't view
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[18:47:42] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: Maybe craigslist blocked known VPN providers.
[18:48:30] <Jymmm> Aw fuck, the new thunderbird has poofiness bullshit.
[18:49:25] <Jymmm> Puts up a "please wiat" spinning icon every time you switch folders, even if you've already been to one.
[18:51:11] <furrywolf> XXCoder: virgin "improves my browsing experience" by downsampling all images to jpeg quality 10 or so, blocking random things, blocking video, fucking with DNS results, and injecting their javascript into anything that even resembles a html file.
[18:51:40] <furrywolf> they intercept and proxy anything that looks like a http connection.
[18:52:40] <furrywolf> most non-trivial websites stop working due to the various things they "improve", especially any sites that combine javascript and images. which is, you know, most of them these days.
[18:52:52] <furrywolf> for example, ebay stops working.
[18:54:01] <furrywolf> so, to have functional web browsing on virgin, you need to tunnel everything somewhere else... in my case, my linode. you can't even use virgin's dns, you have to use your own. and they like intercepting dns queries too, so you have to tunnel your own dns even...
[18:57:36] <SpeedEvil> Can't you turn that off?
[18:59:31] <furrywolf> no
[19:00:35] <skunkworks> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,29442.msg205846.html#msg205846
[19:00:37] <furrywolf> bbl, off to the dump and the hardware store.
[19:02:54] <pcw_home> to the dump
[19:02:55] <pcw_home> to the dump
[19:02:57] <pcw_home> to the dump dump dump
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[19:04:19] <Cromaglious_> weeee
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[19:41:10] <Cromaglious_> ok, installing sketchup make 2014, then I can install phlatscript sketchUcam I think it's called now
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[20:10:57] <t12> so i'm trying to find a cheap single phase 440hz 115v power supply
[20:11:00] <t12> er 400hz
[20:12:43] <t12> think i can just use 2 3phase vfd outputs
[20:13:12] <t12> maybe hard to actually get 115 out of that
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[20:21:28] <zeeshan> what kind of load?
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[20:31:01] <t12> little motor for a gyro
[20:31:06] <t12> from wwII aircraft junk
[20:31:17] <t12> i think its a 2ph motor, with phase shift caps next to the motor
[20:32:07] <t12> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Static-Inverter-12-VDC-400-VA-120-VAC-400-Hz-Fan-Cooled-/291407400431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d93c0def maybe this
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[20:32:53] <t12> the motors in these systems are crazy
[20:33:03] <t12> like a 3ph motor, with a built in 3ph synchro for analog servo i guess?
[20:33:12] <t12> but tiny tiny
[20:33:15] <t12> like half a coffee cup
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[20:43:37] <XXCoder> damn
[20:43:50] <XXCoder> furry have really bad isp
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[21:10:55] <XXCoder> hey fur
[21:11:01] <XXCoder> damn your isp sounds really bad
[21:11:05] <furrywolf> batteries shuffled so I have a 24V instead of 22V bank again... but at even less capacity.
[21:11:13] <XXCoder> makes comcast around here seem tame
[21:11:25] <XXCoder> heard of tor browser though?
[21:11:56] <furrywolf> ah, yes, tor... let's redirect my browsing through 20 hops all overloaded with people running bittorrent to an exit node that's probably blocked everywhere!
[21:12:14] <XXCoder> it's surpising effective
[21:13:47] <furrywolf> now I need to decide if I want to run the genny a bit to get the overall SOC up and try to equalize the now-very-mismatched strings...
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[21:16:50] <XXCoder> plan to rebuild batteries or?
[21:17:00] <furrywolf> scrap.
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[21:17:11] <furrywolf> there's no rebuilding pasted plate batteries.
[21:17:24] <XXCoder> make homebrew batteres? heh
[21:17:31] <XXCoder> one thats rebuildable
[21:17:40] <furrywolf> I do plan on trying to repair my NiFe one of these days, but that takes money.
[21:18:04] <furrywolf> I have 40 300Ah NiFe cells that need an electrolyte change.
[21:18:43] <XXCoder> yea need money
[21:19:37] <furrywolf> around $1000
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[21:20:50] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0K41mQVMJw probably fake but jeez
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[21:23:31] <furrywolf> 200lbs of KOH, 10lbs of LiOH, 60+ gallons of distilled water for final fill, another 60+ gallons to rinse the old crud out, vats suitable for mixing such chemicals in,...
[21:23:45] <XXCoder> wonder if you could distall water
[21:23:57] <XXCoder> cut that expense in least
[21:24:05] <furrywolf> I plan to RO+DI water.
[21:24:31] <XXCoder> ahh not too bad then
[21:24:57] <XXCoder> https://www.ehow.com/how_5700913_make-potassium-hydroxide.html
[21:25:32] <XXCoder> wood ashes -> KOH
[21:25:45] <furrywolf> yes, you do realize every one of those will cost a lot more than just buying it, right?
[21:25:59] <furrywolf> getting wood ashes to sufficient purity is not easy.
[21:26:17] <furrywolf> in particular, carbon is very bad for nife batteries. want to guess what a lot of ashes is?
[21:26:32] <XXCoder> oh dunno carbon? lol yeah
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[21:27:02] <furrywolf> this isn't making soap. batteries are a little more picky about impurities. :P
[21:27:44] <furrywolf> also, interestingly, firefox is rejecting ehow's ssl cert.
[21:28:11] <XXCoder> probably due to man in middle attack by virgin
[21:28:14] <XXCoder> its fine here
[21:28:25] <furrywolf> no, I proxy everything to my linode, remember? heh
[21:28:38] <XXCoder> ahh yea somethings going on then
[21:28:41] <furrywolf> first time I've ever seen firefox bitch about anything other than small cites with self-signed certs.
[21:28:47] <furrywolf> sites
[21:31:17] <XXCoder> fuk that site. I hate sites that use billion domains scripts to work.
[21:31:32] <XXCoder> Found site that shows how make KOH from iodine and possium
[21:31:42] <furrywolf> "This website does not supply ownership information." seems to be firefox's main complaint
[21:31:50] <furrywolf> right, let's make something cheap from two more expensive things!
[21:32:03] <t12> lol
[21:32:09] <t12> stereo amp + stepup transformer appears to work well
[21:32:21] <XXCoder> just bit surpised it would be more money
[21:33:29] <furrywolf> t12: for what? for esex, just buy a real power box. :P
[21:33:38] <XXCoder> so you cant make those 2 chemicals without getting em cheaper as is?
[21:37:04] <furrywolf> potassium hydroxide is prepared directly from mined materials, and is relatively common, used in vast quantities, and is easy to store and transport. pure potassium metal is rare, dangerous, ... and produced by electrolysis of potassium hydroxide. :P
[21:38:01] <XXCoder> I guess any pure form of very reactive material is pretty rare
[21:38:21] <XXCoder> aluminium is bit strange as its really reactive but it protects itself with very hard oxide
[21:38:46] <XXCoder> odd that white powder is rust of alum rust. :P
[21:39:24] <furrywolf> potassium will try to protect itself with oxides too... just those oxides happen to be quite explosive. and catches fire on contact with water, and all sorts of other fun things.
[21:39:47] <XXCoder> yeah and iron oxide sucks lol
[21:39:55] <XXCoder> odd one is tin pest
[21:40:16] <XXCoder> tin pest helps make more of tin pest
[21:40:32] <XXCoder> so where do first tin pest come from lol
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[21:40:38] <XXCoder> you know?
[21:41:18] * furrywolf re-reads earlier sentance... say small sites with self-signed ssl certs ten times real fast.
[21:41:51] <XXCoder> said it 10 times no problem, but then I didnt use togue or mouth in general lol]
[21:42:59] <furrywolf> hrmm, you're non-speaking, not just non-hearing? didn't know that. I'll wait for someone else to say it ten times real fast. :P
[21:43:11] <XXCoder> I could speak it if I knew how
[21:43:19] <XXCoder> voice works fine
[21:44:41] <XXCoder> there is such thing as handtwisters
[21:44:44] <XXCoder> but its rare
[21:45:04] <XXCoder> I found one word but forgot what word it was aw
[21:47:33] <XXCoder> It's toothbrush! It's drinking fountain! It's magical floating toothbrush!
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6325196288/h622F5895/
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[21:48:37] <furrywolf> it's a 3d rendering?
[21:48:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:48:57] <XXCoder> pretty good one, besides magic floating part
[21:49:07] <furrywolf> physics do not apply to renderings. :P
[21:49:16] <XXCoder> yup lol
[21:49:50] <furrywolf> also, while converting a large volume of water falling a short distance to a small volume of water shooting a high distance is quite possible, I don't think that device does it. :P
[21:50:17] <XXCoder> dunno
[21:50:24] <XXCoder> right shape funnel
[21:50:44] <XXCoder> likely real world it'd be shorter shoot up
[21:51:08] <furrywolf> for one, the waste percentage isn't nearly high enough - there's only a few dribbles falling off the bottom of the toothbrush, while twice the height would suggest at least half the input water would need to be dumped
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[21:51:42] <XXCoder> good thing rendering dont need to worry about physics eh
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[21:52:22] <furrywolf> these are basic things any redneck should know. :P
[21:52:45] <furrywolf> when you build a ram pump to get water up to your house from your stream, you need to know how much water you'll get vs how high you are...
[21:53:29] * SpeedEvil imagines a redneck ram pump to involve a wheel and a male sheep.
[21:54:00] <furrywolf> no, it involves leaky check valves and rusty pipe fittings
[21:54:04] <renesis> what did i just walk into
[21:54:16] <renesis> this is weirder than laser tampons
[21:54:24] <XXCoder> https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/gearcoil.gif another impossible animation
[21:54:29] <SpeedEvil> Ram pumps are rather cool.
[21:54:56] <SpeedEvil> I do like the spiral coil of pipe pump too
[21:55:15] <renesis> xxcoder: why is that impossible?
[21:55:22] <XXCoder> free energy
[21:55:37] <renesis> what
[21:55:45] <renesis> no
[21:55:54] <renesis> the spring gets hotter and the energy goes away
[21:56:06] <XXCoder> exactly, it would stop
[21:56:15] <XXCoder> its from site that says it will rotate forever
[21:56:22] <renesis> but its a cool animation that doesnt break reality
[21:56:27] <renesis> oh
[21:56:30] <renesis> well theyre dumb
[21:56:31] <SpeedEvil> Err
[21:56:37] <renesis> but they can make cool gifs
[21:56:38] <furrywolf> is it being advertised as a free energy device?
[21:56:39] <SpeedEvil> Surely it's nothing to do with hotter
[21:56:39] <furrywolf> ah
[21:56:44] <SpeedEvil> It's to do with balanced torque
[21:56:48] <SpeedEvil> It never moves
[21:56:54] <XXCoder> yup
[21:57:02] <zeeshan> lol it never moves
[21:57:03] <zeeshan> haha
[21:57:09] <furrywolf> I was assuming one of the shafts was being driven...
[21:57:10] <renesis> i figured the gears were driven
[21:57:25] <XXCoder> http://www.besslerrad.de/Bhask.GIF
[21:57:28] <renesis> and someone like, jumped the spring a few teeth
[21:57:29] <XXCoder> now thats fun
[21:57:51] <renesis> thats neat
[21:57:54] <XXCoder> "outbalanced" wheels used to vbe common
[21:57:59] <XXCoder> and still nonworking
[21:58:03] <renesis> friction, obviously
[21:58:12] <renesis> but yeah it looks cool
[21:58:19] <XXCoder> im sure you all has machinist handles that has 3 handles
[21:58:20] <renesis> needs more frames
[21:58:28] <renesis> or faster resolution
[21:58:43] <renesis> revolution
[21:58:45] <XXCoder> hang it and it will not "correct" balance (assuming connected to firctionless bearing exactly at center and balanced)
[21:58:54] <furrywolf> you can make one of those that appears to work well enough to fool laypeople if you fill it with propane or another gas that you can make do a phase change when one side is heated
[21:59:23] <XXCoder> furrywolf: theres real one that works, but it uses heat source to send fluid to other side
[21:59:32] <XXCoder> aka thristy bird method
[21:59:44] <XXCoder> (anyone ever seen one of those thristy bird toys? lol)
[21:59:50] <furrywolf> yes
[21:59:50] <renesis> ha ya
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[22:02:08] <furrywolf> ... lol. the top news item on wikipedia is a penis transplant.
[22:02:20] <XXCoder> not surpised
[22:02:24] <XXCoder> there was recent first
[22:02:26] * furrywolf tries to decide if it's actual news or trolling by someone with admin access
[22:02:35] <XXCoder> and its done in africa
[22:03:57] <XXCoder> http://www.packratworkshop.com/pics/minto1a.jpg I cant find later version
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[22:06:29] <XXCoder> nice article on wally wonder wheel
http://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/solar-wheel-zmaz76jaztak.aspx
[22:06:42] <XXCoder> not surpised its flawed but basically works
[22:07:37] <furrywolf> it's just a heat engine... no laws of thermodynamics broken.
[22:07:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:08:01] <XXCoder> it does look like one of those ricious "overbalance" wheels but actually works,
[22:08:38] <furrywolf> I've always wanted to build a fake perpetual motion machine as a garden water feature... have a chain bucket pump lifting water up and dumping it onto the top of a waterwheel on the same shaft... and a hidden electric pump to supply the extra water to make up for losses.
[22:09:04] <XXCoder> I just want magic floating facuet that pours water at full speed
[22:09:11] <XXCoder> trick is too simple
[22:09:39] <furrywolf> not sure what you mean
[22:10:02] <XXCoder> http://cdn.instructables.com/FME/87HY/H1JUHKVR/FME87HYH1JUHKVR.LARGE.jpg
[22:10:08] <XXCoder> its real
[22:10:47] <FinboySlick> Pretty clever fountain.
[22:11:08] <furrywolf> hrmm. it's very light, hollow, counterbalanced by a very dense weight on the very tip of the spout, and supported by a jet upwards in the middle of the falling water?
[22:11:25] <XXCoder> hard clear plastic tube inside
[22:11:29] <XXCoder> it pushes water up
[22:11:36] <XXCoder> and holds tap up
[22:11:40] <furrywolf> bah, that's cheating.
[22:11:56] <furrywolf> my design would actually be floating. :P
[22:12:14] <furrywolf> would need some fancy engineering to ensure dynamic stability though...
[22:12:14] <XXCoder> yeah. you cant see it flowing upwards since downwards is covering it lol
[22:12:33] <XXCoder> fancy indeed
[22:13:12] <furrywolf> I saw a picture of a firehose jetpack once...
[22:13:31] <XXCoder> hmm not unique enough
http://3.lushome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/water-fountains-design-ideas-floating-tap-fountain-1.jpg
[22:13:50] <XXCoder> it does not pump enough water so can see support
[22:14:03] <XXCoder> add 2x ore pumps stat!
[22:14:42] <furrywolf> I could design one with no hidden support...
[22:14:57] <XXCoder> that'd be hell of trick. do it :)
[22:15:04] <furrywolf> too much work. :P
[22:16:32] <Cromaglious_> ok 7 tooth 21" gear cut out
[22:16:47] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:16:55] <XXCoder> probably be a issue if power went out
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[22:17:10] <furrywolf> you'd need a strong jet upwards, and a very very light, balanced "tap". to make it stay centered and level, you'd need to design a funky shaped reaction surface... maybe aiming into a hollow cylinder, which will self-correct angular rotation, with a funnel shape so any horizontal error will result in a corrective force...
[22:17:26] <furrywolf> it'd probably still end up going up too high for the corrective forces to work, then tumbling.
[22:18:14] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: Not much to prevent it from spinning around the Z axis.
[22:18:26] <furrywolf> you'd might need to depend on surface tension around the outside of a cylinder, and other hydrodynamic effects...
[22:18:31] <furrywolf> FinboySlick: that's a feature.
[22:18:33] <XXCoder> that'd be extra surreal
[22:18:45] <moorbo> Do you guys know of a place where a person can read about fastening
[22:18:47] <XXCoder> though maybe fins inside that funnel
[22:19:04] <Nick001-shop> How do I get stepper-xyxa into the new debian Linuuxcnc? It doesn't seem to load up as many configurations as Ubuntu did.
[22:19:17] <FinboySlick> moorbo: Depending on the type of fastening you're talking about, 50 Shades of Grey might work.
[22:19:18] <moorbo> I hear most of machining is just keeping your piece in one place.
[22:19:27] <furrywolf> the obvious answer is to use the incoming water jet to spin a small turbine to run a small uC to activate a variety of hidden control surfaces and reaction control jets. :P
[22:19:30] <moorbo> FinboySlick: thanks for uselessness.
[22:20:39] <FinboySlick> moorbo: It's typically referred to as workholding.
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[22:20:56] <furrywolf> I haven't read 50 shades of grey, but from everything I hear, it's fucking awful, both as a story and as an introduction to bondage.
[22:21:11] <XXCoder> yea it used to be twight fanfiction
[22:21:13] <Deejay> gn8
[22:21:14] <XXCoder> so not surpised
[22:21:56] <furrywolf> "Although we sincerely wish otherwise, we've just spent $12,000 proving that the Minto wheel isn't really a practical solar-powered engine" lol
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[22:21:57] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: I needed an popular reference for the joke to work.
[22:23:13] <jdh> I have a rigid robot arm end effector. I want it to be not-so-rigid so that it can give a little when inserting something. What is the proper terminology for a wobbly joint for that?
[22:23:28] <iceberg303> Noob to the CNC and I have someone helping me but they use commercial software Mach3. I'm looking for controller that can be sued with both Mach3 and LinuxCNC. That said I'm having trouble understanding whic parallel port boards will work and Im looking at this setup:
https://buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-3axis-100-elcombo
[22:23:33] <furrywolf> jdf: erectile dysfunction
[22:23:54] <jdh> I'm sorry, have you consulted a urologist?
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[22:24:17] <XXCoder> urologist would have issue with furrywolf heh
[22:24:20] <furrywolf> iceberg303: linuxcnc will work with all parallel breakout boards, as it's very configurable.
[22:24:26] <FinboySlick> jdh: I'd go for flexible coupling, though I don't think that's entirely accurate.
[22:24:35] <iceberg303> Thanks!
[22:25:19] <furrywolf> the one I'm using with linuxcnc was sold on ebay as a "mach3 breakout board"... linuxcnc lets you specify which pins are used for what, in any configuration.
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[22:25:34] <XXCoder> http://www.thescienceforum.com/personal-theories-alternative-ideas/27356-why-i-wanst-taught-about-minto-wheel-thermodinamics.html
[22:25:45] <FinboySlick> iceberg303: You can have linuxcnc use the same pins for the same singals as mach3, the trickier part will be finding a pc with good realtime behavior.
[22:25:53] <furrywolf> what directions do you want give? how stiff? something like a rubber vibration isolation bushing might do the job...
[22:26:22] <jdh> I want it to give in YZ more or less
[22:26:38] <jdh> and a little X
[22:27:03] <jdh> inserting a rod into a hole. It needs to seat fairly firmly
[22:27:34] <iceberg303> will a core2 duo at 2.6Gha work my understanding was that it would
[22:27:39] <jdh> I'd like to be able to swap out the part with the hole without resetting teh arm
[22:27:56] <furrywolf> make a small metal box that's large in x and small in y and z, insert it into a cube, fill with 2-part rubber of appropriate density?
[22:28:13] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wonder if 3 of those, with 1/3 rotation offset, would help make rotation smoother
[22:28:32] <jdh> that might work. the rod is held with a pnuematic V gripper
[22:28:43] <furrywolf> iceberg303: it has more to do with the randomness of individual manufacturers, bios versions, on-board hardware, etc, than cpu speed. an old pentium 2 will run linuxcnc great.
[22:28:58] <iceberg303> ok
[22:31:17] <FinboySlick> iceberg303: You can boot off the linuxcnc livecd, run a latency test and use the machine havily.
[22:31:43] <FinboySlick> You want to keep your latency numbers below 15000 I'd say.
[22:32:51] <pcw_home> Core 2 Duos are normally quite good
[22:33:14] <Cromaglious_> furrywolf: home many relay's are on your board?
[22:33:34] <Cromaglious_> how many
[22:33:37] <furrywolf> one, and I'm not currently using it. (just turning the spindle on manually)
[22:33:49] <Cromaglious_> ahh you and I have the same board
[22:33:59] <Cromaglious_> i already fried on.. Got 2 more
[22:34:02] <Cromaglious_> one
[22:35:11] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhFKHTdNPt4 now thats interesting lol
[22:35:26] <XXCoder> design varation, I think works better and can pack even more in
[22:35:43] <furrywolf> my first one exploded.
[22:35:46] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Shape memory alloys?
[22:36:07] <XXCoder> no, it has low temperate fluid inside
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[22:36:12] <furrywolf> also, I don't see how you can conclude we have the same board based only on us both having boards with only one relay. I suspect there's more than one board with only one relay. :P
[22:36:13] <XXCoder> heat pumps it to other side
[22:36:26] <FinboySlick> OK.
[22:36:46] <XXCoder> its not best idea for power generating but I might do it for fun
[22:36:57] <XXCoder> its not like I actually need it
[22:38:15] <furrywolf> someone I know has a very neat device based on heating fluids... it's a tracker for a solar panel array. it has two tubes/tanks on the outside edges of the array, with some shades to only pick up sun from certain angles. as the sun moves, if it's not aimed centered, one cools and the other heats, causing the panel to tilt towards the sun until they're balanced again.
[22:38:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I saw another that literally use solar panels to center solar panels
[22:38:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/xDVSBd9.png
[22:38:54] <zeeshan> lathe enclosure nightmares
[22:38:54] <zeeshan> lol
[22:38:56] <XXCoder> the controlling panels is small, enough to power motor
[22:39:10] <XXCoder> motor turns based on which side gets more power
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[22:39:49] <furrywolf> http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/solar-tracker-zmaz77ndzgoe.aspx similar to that
[22:40:06] <XXCoder> http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/
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[22:40:26] <XXCoder> wow thats nice
[22:40:35] <XXCoder> basically solid state and run forever
[22:40:45] <furrywolf> he says it works great, but takes about a half hour of cold morning sun before it aims into the sun from the nighttime neutral position
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[22:41:17] <XXCoder> half hour hmm bit slow but decent
[22:41:34] <Cromaglious_> furrywolf: mine also is labeled Mach3 break out board
[22:41:48] <Cromaglious_> Mach3 battery Operated boyfriend
[22:42:03] <furrywolf> the "neutral" position is where a fixed non-tracking array would be, so for that half hour you're just getting the same output you would if you had no tracker.
[22:42:14] <XXCoder> yeah not bad
[22:43:02] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: does it look like
http://fw.bushytails.net/bbcaps/bbcap01.jpg ?
[22:44:27] <furrywolf> XXCoder: it's certainly the most clever design I've seen. the only moving part is the fluid...
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[22:44:50] <XXCoder> yep. while solar one I linked you uses sun to turn panel towards subn
[22:45:09] <XXCoder> so it doesnt even need to be plugged in, but it does use motor that evenually wears
[22:45:50] <Cromaglious_> furrywolf: exactly
[22:46:01] <furrywolf> I decided trackers weren't useful where I currently am... my morning sun is blocked by mountains and the evening sun by trees, so the benefits of tracking would be less.
[22:46:15] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: exactly? complete with the exploded capacitor? :)
[22:46:26] <XXCoder> and the chair too
[22:46:30] <XXCoder> heh
[22:47:02] <Cromaglious_> ok Very similar - the expolded cap
[22:47:16] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it would aim to most light whenever so not too bad actually
[22:47:31] <Cromaglious_> mine got zapped, now exploded caps
[22:47:42] <Cromaglious_> no boomed caps
[22:48:00] <XXCoder> http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/headdim.jpg the sensor and power source lol
[22:48:25] <XXCoder> attached
http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/headmounted.jpg
[22:49:27] <XXCoder> field problem fixed hack
http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/1stbar.jpg
[22:50:03] <furrywolf> these days panels are so cheap I suspect we'll see a lot fewer trackers in PV systems
[22:50:19] <XXCoder> final version
http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/barworking.jpg
[22:50:41] <XXCoder> guess so if can just point in couple peak times
[22:51:17] <tiwake> finally got google sketchup version 8 working
[22:51:25] <XXCoder> tiwake: nice :)
[22:51:39] <Cromaglious_> that's so when there is output from the tracking panels it'll rotate until both panels are receiving identical amounts of light?
[22:51:50] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: yeah
[22:52:02] <XXCoder> when equal there is no volt difference
[22:52:08] <tiwake> now I need to decide the shape of the house... heh
[22:52:08] <XXCoder> so motor dont rotate
[22:52:30] <Cromaglious_> and when output is < certain voltage it won't track like at night?
[22:52:31] <tiwake> meh, shape would depend on size of the property
[22:53:07] <XXCoder> it depends on difference not amount (well besides not enough difference to rotate in first place)
[22:53:16] <XXCoder> night it gets no power so it wont even move
[22:53:33] <XXCoder> morning one side would be well lit, making good voltage difference so it would start turning
[22:53:35] <Cromaglious_> ahh self powered kewlios
[22:54:01] <Cromaglious_> or is it getting power from the main panels?
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[22:54:07] <XXCoder> nope
[22:54:12] <XXCoder> from what I see anyway
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[22:55:02] <XXCoder> guy apparently figured how to waterproof it.,
http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/weatherproof.jpg
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[22:56:29] <XXCoder> love how guy updates stuff but dont remove old stuff
[22:56:31] <XXCoder> http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/newsensors2.jpg
[22:56:38] <XXCoder> sensor version 2
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[22:57:36] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_:
http://www.mdpub.com/suntracker/images/newsensors.jpg amazing eh
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[22:59:13] <furrywolf> let's say the tracker really does get the full 40% extra power output. when panels were $20/watt, you could spend lots of money on a tracker and still come out ahead. but at $0.70/watt, just adding 40% more panels is a lot easier...
[23:00:59] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah but then he probably spent few dollars
[23:01:07] <XXCoder> http://www.mdpub.com/images/125hexback2.jpg he also made this
[23:01:11] <furrywolf> and gives you a much more reliable system with no moving parts, and a 40% increase in power on overcast days too, not just clear ones.
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[23:01:27] <XXCoder> he work out in sticks sometimes so he really needs ways to make power.
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[23:06:03] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wonder if its worth it to have solar in washington state
[23:06:10] <XXCoder> summers maybe but rest of year
[23:12:16] <furrywolf> you should be able to find solar data for your area online
[23:12:33] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[23:12:47] <XXCoder> doubt will do solar for now, since dont own home here
[23:12:48] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: It depends.
[23:13:04] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: First step - can you feed back to the grid, or do you need to use it promplty
[23:13:33] <SpeedEvil> If you have to use it locally - then that sets the maximum practical solar typically at ~2* baseload or so probably
[23:13:49] <SpeedEvil> Unless you have a lot of sun correlated load.
[23:13:52] <SpeedEvil> AC for example
[23:14:06] <SpeedEvil> then going as large as your AC or even more can be worth it
[23:14:50] <XXCoder> http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/map_pv_us_annual10km_dec2008.jpg
[23:15:00] <XXCoder> im at bad corner of usa
[23:15:18] <XXCoder> 303.5
[23:15:22] <XXCoder> er 3-3.5
[23:16:05] <XXCoder> http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/map_csp_us_10km_july_feb2009.jpg 2009
[23:16:07] <XXCoder> july
[23:16:27] <XXCoder> its only NOT red area in washington lol place I live at sucks sun-wise
[23:16:57] <XXCoder> winter
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/map_csp_us_10km_december_feb2009.jpg below 2 lol
[23:17:48] <SpeedEvil> What would you be wanting this for
[23:17:54] <SpeedEvil> Do you have AC?
[23:18:01] <XXCoder> nah just was mostly curious.
[23:18:12] <XXCoder> but yeah if I ever need it, I would use solars for AC
[23:18:18] <XXCoder> its BIG power use
[23:18:30] <SpeedEvil> I note as a datapoint - that in order to power a 1 watt load 24*7, I need a 250W solar panel and a 100Ah battery here
[23:18:43] <SpeedEvil> And it still may die if there is an unsunny dec/jan
[23:18:53] <SpeedEvil> (Scotland)
[23:18:58] <XXCoder> AC only solar is nice idea
[23:19:06] <XXCoder> covers bad times when its REALLY sunny
[23:19:19] <XXCoder> easy enough to build something like guy did
[23:20:19] <SpeedEvil> Of course, shading, insulation, ... are all reasonable things to approach first
[23:20:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:21:11] <zeeshan> 浙江省 汀田镇
[23:21:18] <zeeshan> man that looks so cool
[23:21:20] <zeeshan> chinese symbols :D
[23:21:42] <XXCoder> you know what its saying? lol
[23:21:46] <zeeshan> no
[23:21:46] <zeeshan> lol
[23:21:50] <zeeshan> i see a window
[23:21:51] <zeeshan> thats about it
[23:21:51] <XXCoder> for all you know, it means "im tasty with sauce"
[23:22:39] <XXCoder> http://chinese-culture-symbols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bad-chinese-translation.jpg
[23:22:45] <zeeshan> lol
[23:23:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/xDVSBd9.png
[23:23:15] <CaptHindsight> Ting Town of Zhejiang Province?
[23:23:18] <zeeshan> for the panel in green
[23:23:30] <XXCoder> yummy
http://www.thetraveltart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Shanghai-Restaurant-Funny-Chinese-Food-Menu.jpg
[23:23:30] <zeeshan> i'd like to put a led strip there
[23:23:35] <zeeshan> any suggestions for a really bright one? :p
[23:23:44] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: nice. thats what it says
[23:24:09] <XXCoder> so many options
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Today+s+menu_7f3cd0_4265362.jpg
[23:24:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/111439792809
[23:24:46] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: does it come in a form factor
[23:24:51] <zeeshan> thats protected and heatsinked
[23:24:53] <zeeshan> and ready to wire
[23:25:03] <CaptHindsight> and add
http://www.ebay.com/itm/30W-50W-100W-200W-UV-Ultra-Violet-Purple-380-385nm-395-450nm-Led-Light-Lamp-DIY-/221709912489 for getting a tan while you work
[23:25:29] <XXCoder> 9k lumen
[23:25:30] <XXCoder> insane
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[23:26:37] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-strip-light-Natural-White-SMD-5050-60LED-M-5M-Waterproof-IP65-lumen-4500K-/131332982010?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e940e44fa
[23:26:38] <zeeshan> lol
[23:26:44] <zeeshan> 10 bucks says that isn't 3m adheisve
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[23:36:05] <Cromaglious_> it is 3M! Mong, Mang, Mongle
[23:37:00] <Cromaglious_> or Mongolian Manual Manufactory
[23:38:46] <zeeshan> haha
[23:45:24] <Tom_itx> Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Co
[23:45:36] <XXCoder> LOL
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/9/6/381396_v1.jpg
[23:45:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: heh, sounds like your weather is even better than mine.
[23:47:05] <Cromaglious_> Sunny and 92F here
[23:47:27] <Cromaglious_> Long sleeve weather
[23:47:44] <XXCoder> heavy rain and winds here
[23:47:48] <XXCoder> typical spring
[23:49:05] <furrywolf> ... 92F is naked in the pool weather, not long-sleeve weather
[23:51:33] <Cromaglious_> for me it's long sleeve weather... Keep the sun off me... and a wide brimmed had
[23:51:35] <Cromaglious_> hat
[23:53:34] <_methods> damn 92 where you at?
[23:53:47] <_methods> that's my kinda weather there
[23:54:02] <XXCoder> 92f comes up pretty often during summer but not any other time. usually only july
[23:54:21] <_methods> it was only about 75 today
[23:54:23] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: AC is something I think I could really use one or two days a decade
[23:54:25] <XXCoder> too bad usa didn't sign paper on say sept 1776 lol
[23:54:32] <XXCoder> not july 4th :P
[23:54:57] <furrywolf> 92F is way too fucking hot
