#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-27

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[00:00:50] <tjtr33> oh and lddconfig after building fltk
[00:04:01] <dirty_d> cool
[00:08:10] <zeeshan> bobo_: 8 weeks because theyre gonna wait till they order another bunch of parts and send a bulk order. if i want it in 3 weeks i gotta pay a $200 shipping fee, screw that :)
[00:09:53] <bobo_> no delays due to may day ---may pole delay ?
[00:10:20] <zeeshan> delay cause its coming from hitler
[00:10:24] <zeeshan> jk!
[00:10:27] <zeeshan> i love germany
[00:12:34] <bobo_> you ought to visit germany ---- you would really enjoy it I think
[00:13:14] <zeeshan> i would need a guide
[00:13:24] <zeeshan> that knows cnc machining
[00:13:28] <zeeshan> and takes me everywhere! :P
[00:14:11] <bobo_> they have public trasnportation
[00:14:24] <zeeshan> no
[00:14:28] <zeeshan> autobahn!
[00:15:07] <bobo_> a autobahn tour bus
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[00:17:29] <bobo_> just rent a car and place Moose sticker in window
[00:21:08] <zeeshan> theres a black and white criminal on the run
[00:21:10] <zeeshan> in arizona
[00:21:11] <zeeshan> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/26/breaking-two-llamas-are-on-the-run/
[00:21:21] <zeeshan> haha bobo
[00:21:57] <Rab> Are these chinese breakout boards problematic, or worth the money? http://item.ebay.com/161515609008
[00:22:47] <Rab> I assume it's just level shifters on a board, how bad can it be? (Other than solder bridges etc.)
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[00:25:36] <furrywolf> Rab: my first one exploded.
[00:25:44] <XXCoder> heys
[00:25:56] <Rab> That meets my definition of problematic.
[00:25:59] <XXCoder> interview went poretty good, heres hoping
[00:26:07] <zeeshan> XXCoder: for what?
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[00:26:43] <Rab> furrywolf, but did it explode because of some intrinsic fault, or due to overvoltage or overcurrent on the breakout side?
[00:26:44] <XXCoder> cnc machinist work
[00:26:50] <zeeshan> nice!
[00:26:58] <XXCoder> yeah shops nice
[00:27:10] <XXCoder> pretty different than place im interning at
[00:27:12] <furrywolf> it exploded due to counterfeit chinese capacitors and/or a failed onboard voltage regulator
[00:27:12] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bbcaps/bbcap02.jpg
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[00:27:28] <zeeshan> what a hairy cap
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[00:27:44] <XXCoder> its good for you, lots fiber lol
[00:27:48] <zeeshan> haha
[00:27:53] <furrywolf> they're definitely chinese caps, but I can't rule out it exploding due to a failed voltage regulator. when I tested it post-failure, the reg read open. I don't know if it was previously shorted.
[00:28:06] <georgenz> Finally got my machine on the net and did the upgrade, but its still 2.6.4 is there anything else i have to do make it upgrade?
[00:28:20] <zeeshan> georgenz: did you get the spindle working?
[00:28:28] <XXCoder> how much do caps cost? if cheap enough as well as test it again but this time also test for shorts
[00:28:39] <Rab> furrywolf, was that cap on the input or output side?
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[00:30:29] <furrywolf> that cap appeared to be on the output of the onboard 10v regulator
[00:30:39] <furrywolf> it did measure 10v when I measured it initially...
[00:30:42] <georgenz> Not yet zeeshan
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[00:30:59] <Rab> hmm
[00:31:02] <georgenz> Apparently linuxcnc has a bug and i have an older version
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[00:31:04] <furrywolf> so either it decided to short, or the cap just randomly exploded. either is possible.
[00:31:47] <georgenz> Tried to update... it appeared to download and install, however its still the old version when i open it ?
[00:31:58] <Rab> Could be the cap failed short, and killed the regulator in the process. LM317 is supposed to be output-protected, but who knows about the chinese mystery version.
[00:32:24] <bobo_> georgenz: we want to know , are you a North or South islander ? also what is todays temp ?
[00:32:47] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[00:33:00] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I got parts to control and power my walk sign
[00:33:09] <XXCoder> it will arrive in maybe a month
[00:33:23] <furrywolf> Rab: gicen as the caps are counterfeit, it's quite likely every chip on the board is too.
[00:33:39] <furrywolf> ... the parts being a pc power cord with the iec end lopped off and a couple wirenuts?
[00:33:55] <XXCoder> nah that connector strip and 2 way switch
[00:34:08] <XXCoder> nice one too
[00:34:15] <zeeshan> whats the point of running a breakout board
[00:34:19] <zeeshan> when its a cheapo board like that
[00:34:25] <zeeshan> might as well directly wire the signals to your parallel port
[00:34:26] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:34:29] <XXCoder> from billion miles away so gonna wait a bit though :P
[00:34:43] <zeeshan> if you want a decent one
[00:34:45] <zeeshan> probotix rf
[00:34:51] <zeeshan> a bit annoying to work with
[00:34:58] <zeeshan> but doesnt explode and uses real parts
[00:35:10] <furrywolf> zeeshan: among other reasons, it has optoisolated inputs, a relay spindle control, and buffers to drive your stepper drives.
[00:35:15] <zeeshan> and rf isolation, which is ok for the speeds for steppers
[00:35:26] <georgenz> North island here... nice temp today, abt 25C
[00:35:46] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the whole point of optoisolation is to trust the board
[00:35:50] <zeeshan> to not damage your shit
[00:35:54] <zeeshan> i wouldnt trust that board lol
[00:36:09] <zeeshan> i blew 3 drives
[00:36:19] <zeeshan> and they didnt damage 7i77 luckily
[00:36:23] <zeeshan> so i guess the amc isolation works
[00:36:41] <XXCoder> zeeshan: whats motors status
[00:36:53] <zeeshan> theyve been purring everyday almost now
[00:36:54] <zeeshan> :D
[00:37:10] <XXCoder> so it was fixed?
[00:37:14] <zeeshan> ya
[00:37:21] <XXCoder> nice so what happened
[00:37:33] <zeeshan> pcw's suggestion work
[00:37:35] <zeeshan> different power source
[00:37:48] <XXCoder> so your power source got fried or>
[00:38:04] <zeeshan> no
[00:38:09] <zeeshan> its ac supply
[00:38:13] <zeeshan> two legs of split phase
[00:38:28] <zeeshan> which was causing transient overvoltage to blow up the amc drives
[00:38:40] <Rab> zeeshan, pretty much everybody you asked told you to try running everything off L1. :P
[00:38:51] <zeeshan> rab
[00:39:00] <zeeshan> i still have other things running off l2
[00:39:01] <zeeshan> like vfd
[00:39:12] <zeeshan> but they probably have better components in them
[00:39:17] * furrywolf thinks that zeeshan either has a bad neutral or those drives are utter shit
[00:39:22] <zeeshan> that can handle a 240vac transient spike
[00:39:28] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no.
[00:39:32] <furrywolf> yes
[00:39:34] <zeeshan> that woulda blown vfd on l2 too
[00:40:06] <furrywolf> transients are a normal part of life for mains-connected equipment. if that is what was blowing it, either the drives are crap, or your transients are much larger than normal.
[00:40:07] <bobo_> Oh this is going to end up a very ugly question of ----explain why in math terms
[00:40:42] <PetefromTn_> damn I ate too much heh
[00:40:53] <zeeshan> lets not discuss this anymore
[00:40:55] <zeeshan> that was a dark part of my life
[00:40:57] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:41:12] <Rab> zeeshan, I'm glad it's resolved!
[00:41:20] <zeeshan> yessir
[00:42:03] <bobo_> Pete it is 25C in NZ north island today !
[00:42:25] <PetefromTn_> I know that bastard is enjoying the kinda weather I need to be enjoying right...
[00:42:36] <PetefromTn_> some guys have all the luck hehe
[00:42:55] <PetefromTn_> he has told me about the paradise he lives in on a couple occasions
[00:43:03] <zeeshan> who
[00:43:08] <XXCoder> just get bulldozer on your truck and drive south till people dont know what it is
[00:43:20] <Rab> I went to Christchurch twice for work, once in the summer and once in the winter...winter was not pleasant.
[00:43:24] <XXCoder> then you find new home nearby
[00:43:25] <PetefromTn_> our friend in NZ
[00:43:29] <zeeshan> oh
[00:43:59] <Rab> Made sense why people were scarfing down fish'n'chips. I scarfed too.
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[00:44:07] <PetefromTn_> I have been helping him get his Cincinatti Arrow 500 working the same setup my machine has so we are in contact via viber pretty often
[00:44:11] <skunkworks> zlog
[00:44:11] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-02-26.html
[00:44:47] <zeeshan> i want to move to the maldives
[00:44:54] <zeeshan> but im afraid the mikron will sink the island
[00:44:58] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:45:02] <furrywolf> bbl, harbor fright stop, then off to work.
[00:45:08] <bobo_> Pete so why not get the flock and head for the South islant
[00:45:12] <PetefromTn_> he did tell me how he rented a catamaran Sailboat and went to the a tropical area only to wind up in a hurricane LOL
[00:45:29] <PetefromTn_> bobo Buy my house and you will see it happen LOL
[00:46:00] <georgenz> Im not really enjoyin the lovely weather outside... stuck in workshop tryin to figure what i am doing wrong
[00:46:21] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks..
[00:46:26] <PetefromTn_> is there good surf there?
[00:47:02] <georgenz> Yup... good surf
[00:47:19] <PetefromTn_> I understand windsurfing is big over there is that accurate?
[00:47:43] <bobo_> georgenz: ask andypugh
[00:47:43] <georgenz> Can anyone help me in upgrading my linuxcnc?
[00:48:02] <zeeshan> its really easy
[00:48:04] <PetefromTn_> whats wrong with your linuxCNC? I am running master
[00:48:11] <zeeshan> just go to sympatic package manager
[00:48:14] <zeeshan> and find linuxcnc
[00:48:16] <zeeshan> and install it
[00:48:37] <georgenz> Lots of watersports r big over here, we have a pretty big coastline for small population
[00:49:06] <zeeshan> do you know gary the goat?
[00:49:09] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan at the risk of sounding like I am bashing here, consider georgenz like me in that we don't know much about linuxCNC :D
[00:49:35] <zeeshan> :]
[00:49:38] <georgenz> Yes, I know garry
[00:49:42] <zeeshan> hes AWESOME
[00:49:43] <PetefromTn_> georgenz what makes you think you need a different version
[00:49:44] <zeeshan> i want to meet that goat
[00:49:59] <zeeshan> i think hes one island over
[00:50:23] <georgenz> PCW said the version i have is old and has a bug
[00:50:52] <PetefromTn_> okay well if PCW said it then it is true hehe
[00:50:56] <andypugh> sounds like a fair reason
[00:51:15] <andypugh> What version do you have?
[00:51:15] <PetefromTn_> hey andy
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[00:51:36] <andypugh> I appear to have spent two days away from home but logged in to IRC
[00:51:36] <bobo_> georgenz: when they ask for stuff to be "pasted" , try pastbin.com
[00:51:55] <skunkworks> DaViruz: no.. I owned a dodge stealth a long time ago... well - I guess sort of I guess - stealth -> skunkworks..
[00:51:58] <PetefromTn_> I don't think he has net access on the pC
[00:53:10] <zeeshan> why do people say
[00:53:18] <zeeshan> you should use hss to get better surface finish on aluminum
[00:53:26] <zeeshan> i asked this to my prof
[00:53:29] <zeeshan> and he said thats not correct
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[00:54:43] <zeeshan> from the mechanics point of view, the sticking / sliding region still exists with aluminum
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[00:54:50] <zeeshan> so i dont see why a coating is a bad idea?
[00:54:54] <zeeshan> especially for the sticking region
[00:54:59] <PCW> Well pncconf in 2.6.4 clearly has a bug. may still be there in 2.6.7
[00:55:01] <XXCoder> http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-motion-stabilized/ fun site
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[00:55:12] <bobo_> for us cheep people ---HSS can be polished better/cheaper
[00:55:14] <zeeshan> pcw
[00:55:25] <zeeshan> do you have have to have analogena 1
[00:55:38] <zeeshan> to register a voltage output on analog5 if you set it to 2v
[00:55:52] <zeeshan> i was trying to get georgenz to set analogout5 to 2
[00:55:56] <zeeshan> to see if its outputting anything, and it wasnt
[00:56:03] <zeeshan> but analogena was 0
[00:56:11] <PCW> no analog 5 is independent
[00:56:15] <zeeshan> hm
[00:56:40] <zeeshan> well something was wrong cause he set it to 2 for analog0
[00:56:46] <georgenz> Zeeshan... apparently... the coating can slightly blunten the edge
[00:56:54] <zeeshan> and there was still no voltage, but the x-axis works
[00:57:27] <Rab> I'll bet coated vs not strongly depends on whether you're trying to mill without coolant.
[00:57:29] <zeeshan> georgenz: are you talking about BUE ?
[00:57:30] <georgenz> Im not sure this the case, just what i have heard
[00:57:33] <zeeshan> rab
[00:57:38] <zeeshan> coolant doesnt lubricate in the sticking region
[00:57:43] <zeeshan> only thing that effects lubrication is a coating
[00:57:45] <zeeshan> in that region
[00:57:56] <Rab> hmm
[00:58:01] <georgenz> Is PCW still on?
[00:58:02] <PCW> 2 woudl probably be below the threshold of readbility
[00:58:16] <zeeshan> PCW: you wouldnt read 2V on the multimeter?
[00:58:19] <georgenz> There he is
[00:58:43] <PCW> nope you woudl read 2/mumble.scalemax
[00:58:47] <zeeshan> AH
[00:58:48] <zeeshan> hahaha
[00:58:50] <zeeshan> thats what was up.
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[00:58:57] <georgenz> PCW... i managed to upgrade to 2.6.7 but still no luck with analog5
[00:59:11] <PCW> so you need to fix your hal file
[00:59:57] <PCW> mumble.scalemax is normally set to max spindle RPM
[01:00:08] <PetefromTn_> can you post your .hal file so people can look at it. Not the one I sent you but the current one...
[01:00:29] <zeeshan> PCW: i was trying to get him to do this:
[01:00:45] <bobo_> pastebin.com
[01:01:16] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/BMguqfU5
[01:01:23] <georgenz> Hold on... ill try download irc for linux n chat on there rather than my phone
[01:01:26] <zeeshan> i was thinking that should output 2v
[01:01:28] <zeeshan> but it didnt
[01:01:53] <zeeshan> (all this in halrun)
[01:02:11] <zeeshan> so i dont know what the scalemax is set to
[01:02:13] <zeeshan> as default
[01:03:13] <georgenz> Anyone have a preferred irc application for linux?
[01:03:17] <zeeshan> i use xchat
[01:03:28] <XXCoder> hexchat here
[01:03:33] <XXCoder> fork of xchat
[01:03:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whats diff in it?
[01:03:53] <XXCoder> more current I guess
[01:04:00] <XXCoder> active dev
[01:04:19] <zeeshan> ah
[01:05:56] <PCW> I already found his hal file error (mismatched signal names)
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[01:06:11] <zeeshan> ah
[01:06:43] <Rab> georgenz, irssi
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[01:11:36] <_methods> irssi
[01:11:47] <_methods> quassel is nice too
[01:12:17] <PetefromTn_> I use Icechat but not sure if it works on linuxCNC or not..
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[01:12:42] <dirty_d> any tips on removing a set screw that seems to be put in place with locktite? cant use heat because its a motor bell with magnets
[01:12:50] <dirty_d> will something dissolve it?
[01:12:55] <XXCoder> gonna love curing temp
[01:13:07] <XXCoder> what is bell curie temp
[01:13:15] <XXCoder> maybe you can heat it but stay below
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[01:13:43] <dirty_d> theyre neodymium, so pretty low
[01:13:47] <georgenz> hey guys, on my machine now
[01:13:56] <zeeshan> dirty_d: cant it see 260C?
[01:13:56] <PetefromTn_> \o/
[01:14:21] <PCW> Dont think so, most rare earth magnets have a very low Curie temperture
[01:14:38] <PetefromTn_> maybe some actone?
[01:14:41] <zeeshan> i had plastic seals near a shaft
[01:14:55] <georgenz> PCW - can I please send you my HAL file?
[01:14:56] <zeeshan> i blew compressed air at it
[01:15:14] <zeeshan> while heating the area of interest with a focused flame
[01:15:44] <PCW> can you post it?
[01:15:47] <dirty_d> i gotta look up the type of magnets
[01:16:01] <georgenz> where do I post it to?
[01:16:18] <zeeshan> http://www.edshouseofgems.com/the%20Little%20Torch.jpg
[01:16:27] <bobo_> georgenz pastbin.com
[01:16:48] <XXCoder> dirty_d: opposite way would be chill bolt with dry ice
[01:17:17] <dirty_d> the exact type of magnet isnt specified
[01:17:18] <XXCoder> er *set screw
[01:17:25] <zeeshan> pete's suggestion wiill work too
[01:17:26] <zeeshan> :D
[01:17:40] <dirty_d> hmmm
[01:18:10] <dirty_d> stealing my gf's
[01:18:14] <zeeshan> if you go wit hthe heat method
[01:18:21] <dirty_d> non-acetone nail polish remover, lol
[01:18:22] <zeeshan> just keep an ir temp on the magnet
[01:18:27] <dirty_d> but maybe it will work
[01:19:24] <Rab> dirty_d, how do you change numeric parameters in solvespace? I'm not sure if it's not working, or if I haven't figured it out.
[01:19:47] <PetefromTn_> wtf is solvespace?
[01:19:54] <Rab> Seems like according to the manual, you can double-click on a number in the text window and modify. But nothing happens.
[01:20:12] <dirty_d> Rab, yea taht works for me
[01:20:36] <dirty_d> oh, you might have an older version with a minor bug, the edit text window opens in the wrong place
[01:20:43] <dirty_d> look towards the top left of your monitor
[01:20:47] <dirty_d> its small
[01:20:55] <georgenz> I've signed upto pastebin, but now have to find my HAL file - i cannot seem to locate it - any clues?
[01:21:17] <Rab> dirty_d, nothing there...wonder if it's incompatible with my WM. What is your desktop environment?
[01:21:54] <dirty_d> ldxe
[01:21:59] <dirty_d> shouldnt matter though
[01:22:17] <XXCoder> heh gonna love ego trip ops
[01:22:20] <dirty_d> when you double click it are you no longer able to rotate the view?
[01:22:32] <XXCoder> one op banned me because guy could not handle being ignored
[01:22:39] <Rab> No change to UI, it's like nothing happened.
[01:22:44] <XXCoder> epic| in ##cars
[01:23:12] <tjtr33> solvespace cad on ubu 10.04 with fltk 1.3.0, build from src ok, run ok so far. http://ibin.co/1t2j3jkiyLwb
[01:23:28] <dirty_d> hmm, i wonder if its looking somewhere else for the mouse click, try double clicking around it
[01:23:29] <tjtr33> i dont get the hidden lines tho ( cant hide em )
[01:24:22] <dirty_d> theres some setting i think
[01:24:30] <dirty_d> not sure where it is though
[01:24:31] <PetefromTn_> georgenz what operating system are you using that might help people guide you to the files.
[01:24:48] <georgenz> I think i have found it in the home folder
[01:24:55] <georgenz> its debian linux
[01:25:18] <PetefromTn_> ok
[01:25:36] <PCW> georgenz: when you start pncconf it has a default directory and name for the hal and ini files
[01:25:38] <PCW> default is
[01:25:39] <PCW> linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_Machine/my_LinuxCNC_Machine.ini
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[01:26:01] <PCW> (if you dont change these to something more sensible)
[01:27:47] <dirty_d> hex key looks like twisted wrought iron now
[01:28:10] <dirty_d> impressed with the strength of the 1.5mm set screw though
[01:29:20] <bobo_> glad hex key didn't snap
[01:29:51] <Rab> Doesn't work in blackbox or fvwm2 either...maybe it's my version of some library.
[01:29:56] <georgenz> try this? http://pastebin.com/jf7xvJq0
[01:32:50] <XXCoder> pretty awesome http://boingboing.net/2014/06/10/vermeers-paintings-might-be.html
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[01:33:52] <XXCoder> its about painting but has machines, cncs so on
[01:34:17] <dirty_d> hmm, i have an idea. Im going to heat the set screw with my soldering iron and the small tip
[01:34:25] <dirty_d> and just not let the magnets get hot
[01:34:41] <XXCoder> wouldnt it mean screw expands and tighten
[01:34:47] <XXCoder> wouldnt dry ice be better
[01:35:12] <dirty_d> dont have access to try ice
[01:35:16] <dirty_d> and its only a $10 motor
[01:35:22] <Computer_Barf1> what kind of cam do you guys use?
[01:36:20] <Rab> Heating might loosen the locktite, even if the screw expands.
[01:36:28] <XXCoder> rab there is that
[01:36:35] <XXCoder> can do cycles
[01:36:47] <Rab> And if the screw expands and contracts, that can only help things.
[01:36:49] <XXCoder> warm up, wait, try loosen
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[01:40:15] <PCW> (221) net spindle-vel-cmd-abs => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[01:40:17] <PCW> (230) net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[01:40:18] <PCW> error is just what I said, mis-matched signal names
[01:40:34] <PCW> broken hal wire
[01:41:07] <Rab> Haha, running solvespace 2.0 for Windows in an XP VM and editing isn't working there either. There must be something I just don't get.
[01:42:05] <dirty_d> hmm, thats weird
[01:42:14] <dirty_d> youre talking about the length constraint?
[01:42:18] <georgenz> should i just create a completely new PNC config?
[01:42:39] <XXCoder> solvespace create models but do it also export pathfiles?
[01:43:40] <Rab> dirty_d, I just want to edit coordinate parameters. Like I click on a point, and text box says: POINT at (-0.815, 0.906, 0.000)...how do I edit those parameters?
[01:43:42] <dirty_d> it said it outputs gcode, havent tried yet though
[01:43:49] <dirty_d> ohhh
[01:43:50] <XXCoder> not bad
[01:43:55] <dirty_d> no you cant edit that
[01:44:05] <dirty_d> not that i know of
[01:44:05] <XXCoder> why?
[01:44:22] <dirty_d> its done some other way i think
[01:44:37] <Rab> So if I have a box, and I want it to be exactly 2x2", how do I define that?
[01:44:49] <XXCoder> resize it to correct I guess
[01:44:52] <dirty_d> the length constraint
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[01:46:00] <dirty_d> hah! the soldering iron did it
[01:46:08] <Rab> ahhhhhh
[01:46:16] <XXCoder> dirty_d: way to go!
[01:46:30] <dirty_d> i can tell it has expanded though it broke free and was still squeeking after that
[01:46:34] <dirty_d> gonna let it cool
[01:46:38] <georgenz> PCW, are you please able to tell me what 221 and 230 need to be modified to for it to work? I'll try do it on mousepad.
[01:46:50] <Rab> dirty_d, figured it out. Thanks for your help.
[01:47:09] <dirty_d> no problem
[01:49:42] <XXCoder> dirty_d: soldering is nice idea, very local heat
[01:50:16] <PCW> georgenz: new config will have the same error
[01:50:17] <PCW> you need to make the signal names the same:
[01:50:19] <PCW> either remove -rpm from 230 or add it to 221
[01:50:45] <dirty_d> just didnt get hotter than i could hold where the magnets are
[01:51:23] <dirty_d> crap, i think the shaft is press fit in, lol
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[01:52:13] <PCW> or change to:
[01:52:15] <PCW> net my-funky-funky-signal => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[01:52:17] <PCW> net my-funky-funky-signal <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[01:52:18] <PCW> that will work just as well
[01:52:40] <PCW> Dinner!
[01:52:43] <PCW> bbl
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[01:54:03] <XXCoder> I cant delete object in solvespace
[01:54:10] <georgenz> thx PCW - it works!!
[01:55:28] <georgenz> really appreciate yr time and patience
[01:57:18] <dirty_d> hopefully this works http://imgur.com/YhTuV8J.jpg
[02:03:37] <dirty_d> http://www.cctvforum.com/images/imported/2014/03/242949_1.jpg
[02:05:23] <Rab> dirty_d, what are you doing to that poor motor?
[02:05:45] <dirty_d> making a little gear reducer thing to drive an 18" prop
[02:05:56] <Rab> cool
[02:06:37] <dirty_d> usually you need like a 250g motor to drive one that big, but this 50g one has enough power, just not the right speed/torque characteristic
[02:06:49] <Rab> O dear, TTF text entry segfaults.
[02:07:10] <dirty_d> whats that?
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[02:07:51] <Rab> Sketch curves from text in a TrueType font (T)
[02:10:05] <dirty_d> this is the idea, http://imgur.com/qUxjk6W.jpg
[02:10:08] <dirty_d> ahh
[02:10:20] <dirty_d> i havent tried it, but it should be easy to figure out why it segfaults
[02:10:35] <Rab> I hit T, it says 'click top left of text', I click in work area, it very briefly flashes 'click to place bottom left of text' and crashes.
[02:10:59] <dirty_d> ill run it in gdb and see what happens
[02:11:20] <tjtr33> AH! in solvespace get a dimension on the item you want to change, dbl clk the dimension text. a dlog appears and you CAN chg it :)
[02:11:34] <tjtr33> veryy intuitive, but it IS in the manual's examples
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[02:12:09] <dirty_d> that stupid window that pops up was the biggest problem getting it to work on linux
[02:12:44] <dirty_d> it was originally rediculously coded to hijack the main opengl window and draw an edit box as a 2D texture
[02:13:10] <Rab> Yeah, that's one of the few visible differences I saw in Windows.
[02:17:38] <renesis> tjtr33: sounds like solidworks
[02:17:56] <renesis> honestly i have no clue what my design workflow was when i used autocad
[02:18:13] <renesis> like, i guess i did a lot of math or something
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[02:22:39] <dirty_d> hmm, i think i can get away with letting this motor hold itself together with the magnets
[02:24:31] <dirty_d> hmm, these motors actually look like theyd be pretty easy to make asside from the laminations
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[02:31:23] <tjtr33> solvespace: you must have the feature 'active' to get the dimension, else you cant chg the dimension.
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[02:31:33] <tjtr33> If you follow the tutor, you get a long list of autogenerated feature names. and selecting one does not hilite anything.
[02:31:33] <tjtr33> SO immediately edit the name of each feature as you create it, else the list is rubbish
[02:32:36] <tjtr33> 'active' is a checkbutton in the feature list
[02:33:13] <dirty_d> i dont think ive tried any of that yet
[02:33:42] <tjtr33> lots to learn in any cad system
[02:33:42] <dirty_d> should be easy to change stuff though, the code is pretty simple and well written
[02:33:57] <tjtr33> is fltk using opengl?
[02:34:08] <dirty_d> yea
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[02:34:27] <tjtr33> urph the evilgl inside
[02:34:47] <tjtr33> thx for the help, gotta rest mah brainz
[02:35:03] <dirty_d> no problem
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[02:43:40] <tjtr33> XXCoder, delete in in the text window dialog, it says (rename/del) those words are actually buttons that act on the chosen ( red) feature
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[02:48:13] <dirty_d> do you have an edit control in the smaller window when you edit stuff?
[02:48:17] <dirty_d> i cant see it
[02:48:27] <dirty_d> but i can type and it gets it
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[02:51:31] <dirty_d> ahh, i see how to fix it
[02:51:45] <Computer_Barf1> do any of you use a CAM that supports 5th axis?
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[03:03:57] <XXCoder> tjtr33: thanks
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[03:04:52] <XXCoder> gonna do tut
[03:04:58] <XXCoder> http://solvespace.com/tutorial.pl
[03:05:43] <XXCoder> damn
[03:05:47] <XXCoder> it is nice
[03:05:58] <XXCoder> just learning curve like a cliff at beginning
[03:08:30] <tjtr33> XXCoder, in the text window, there is 'home' at top left. its a button, and easy way to get back 1 step.
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[03:08:37] <tjtr33> also in same window
[03:08:49] <XXCoder> yeah gonna o tutials first though
[03:08:52] <XXCoder> get some skills
[03:09:58] <tjtr33> in same window is 'line style/view/configuration' click on cong=figuration and scroll down to see soem stuff about gcode ( mya not be implemented i dunno )
[03:10:32] <tjtr33> yeah i'm only in 1st tutor now, i finished it, but still understanding what happened ;)
[03:11:22] <tjtr33> i wrote him a short thx, and he replied right away
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[03:12:05] <XXCoder> its a start
[03:12:16] <XXCoder> if it gets going it will become popular and get more devs
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[03:14:23] <XXCoder> how long has solvespace been around
[03:15:33] <XXCoder> 2008 is my guess
[03:15:40] <tjtr33> i found i had created a few extra features by accident , revealed when i went back and labled every item. now cleaner http://ibin.co/1t3H1xZftEbU
[03:16:36] <XXCoder> cool
[03:16:39] <tjtr33> the accidental extra items confuse the heck out of you when you try to dimension stuff
[03:16:43] <XXCoder> im now at basic L shape
[03:17:38] <Cromaglious> my wife dragged me off I'm back
[03:18:42] <XXCoder> constrant is nice
[03:20:56] <tjtr33> nolw that i have the features labled, making things to size is easy. select feature,select dimension, dbl clk on existing dim, edit new http://ibin.co/1t3IZUyWNKrN
[03:21:10] <dirty_d> i just fixed the edit control for the smaller window and pushed it to solvespace-linux-fixes
[03:21:24] <dirty_d> i didnt even notice that wasnt working, i dont think ive ever tried to change anything in there
[03:21:43] <XXCoder> tjtr33: how do I constrant endpoints to be same size
[03:21:46] <XXCoder> it errors out
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[03:22:04] <tjtr33> points have no size, what do you mean
[03:22:28] <dirty_d> does the horizontal and vertical distance work for you?
[03:22:36] <tjtr33> yah
[03:22:36] <XXCoder> no, the thickness for legs
[03:23:01] <dirty_d> nevermind
[03:23:04] <dirty_d> it doesnt exist
[03:23:14] <dirty_d> theres only one distance constraint
[03:23:37] <XXCoder> "And constrain the two short endcaps to have equal length"
[03:23:42] <tjtr33> ok, thickenss: see last sreenshot i posted
[03:23:49] <dirty_d> i guess you just use construction geometry if you need to do that
[03:24:03] <tjtr33> ^^ to dimension the angle plate thickness
[03:24:37] <dirty_d> just click on two lines, then the equal constraint
[03:25:05] <XXCoder> "Select the two short line segments"
[03:25:20] <XXCoder> which lines is that? thought it was short ones at ends
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[03:25:52] <dirty_d> i feel like freecad should ditch opencascade and worth this in instead
[03:27:15] <tjtr33> well i followed APT360 then Gcad3D, then HeeksCad, then Freecad now this. they are ALL good. but its a brand new wheel invented every few years.
[03:27:18] <georgenz> hey guys, back again - the vfd is working (sorta) if I click cw or ccw in the gui it puts out 1.02V and runs, however, if I press the + or - button just under spindle control it shuts down, the analog out then reads -9.9V
[03:28:11] <furrywolf> it doesn't like you, obviously.
[03:28:34] <georgenz> if I do an M3 S2000 command, it again goes to -9-9V
[03:28:44] <georgenz> -9.9V
[03:29:23] <XXCoder> "bad selction for distance / diameter constraint" this const can apply to 2 point, line seg, so on and on
[03:29:26] <XXCoder> 7 lines
[03:30:34] <tjtr33> i got that a lot at first. are you trying to set a size to an element?
[03:30:47] <XXCoder> starting again a little lets see if I screwed something up
[03:31:21] <XXCoder> I missed one horzional probably why. still going
[03:31:44] <Cromaglious> carp.. I only had 500 lines of scrollback
[03:31:58] <tjtr33> georgenz, sorry i dont know why you get that. is it a hal comp that outputs the voltage?
[03:32:10] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you remember the last thing you told me?
[03:32:16] <tjtr33> Cromaglious, use one of the web logs like MHA's
[03:32:17] <georgenz> I guess it is, just looking at HAL file right now
[03:32:31] <Cromaglious> tjb11, URL?
[03:32:42] <Cromaglious> or close
[03:33:01] <tjtr33> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/index-2015.html
[03:33:10] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, no
[03:34:11] <XXCoder> error
[03:34:13] <XXCoder> dammit
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[03:34:36] <tjtr33> are you trying to build solvespace? i had luck with fltk 1.3.0 then running ldconfig, then make clean, then dirty_d 's litany of ./autogen ./configure make (maybe make install )
[03:34:43] <dirty_d> tjtr33, freecad isnt what id really call usable
[03:34:51] <XXCoder> im only missing 2 same length symbol
[03:34:52] <tjtr33> right arm
[03:34:58] <dirty_d> the most important part is broken
[03:34:59] <XXCoder> tjtr33: im not sure whats going on
[03:35:10] <tjtr33> picture?
[03:35:15] <XXCoder> tjtr33: sec
[03:36:53] <Cromaglious> I have a http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Axis-MACH3-Interface-Board-CNC-With-Optocoupler-Adapter-Stepper-Motor-Driver-/121461115214
[03:38:03] <XXCoder> tjtr33: http://picpaste.com/error-1yIS87sM.png and http://picpaste.com/error2-pXUf0SmQ.png
[03:38:35] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[03:38:35] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[03:38:52] <Cromaglious> these are my current errors on solvespace
[03:39:04] <dirty_d> XXCoder, youre using the wrong constraint
[03:39:12] <XXCoder> oh which should I use
[03:39:15] <dirty_d> click the icon thats a triangle
[03:39:19] <XXCoder> looking
[03:39:28] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: sounds like it's sending crap to opengl...
[03:39:32] <dirty_d> thats the equal constraint for length/radius
[03:39:49] <dirty_d> XXCoder, then use the length constraint on either of the lines
[03:39:52] <dirty_d> but not both
[03:40:27] <dirty_d> that way they both stay the same length, but you only have to change it one place if you want to
[03:41:01] <Cromaglious> glxgear works, solvespace is using the same libs as glxgears
[03:41:01] <XXCoder> so just select one end?
[03:41:29] <dirty_d> yea one of the lines at the end
[03:41:35] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: yes, glxgears is generally not buggy. :)
[03:41:38] <dirty_d> one of the two selected in the picture
[03:41:38] <XXCoder> error if only one line selected
[03:42:02] <dirty_d> XXCoder, no do select two for the equal constraint
[03:42:06] <dirty_d> but one for length
[03:42:38] <XXCoder> so I select both ends, click tringle constrant
[03:42:52] <XXCoder> then select one end and do what
[03:42:53] <dirty_d> if by ends you mean two lines, yea
[03:42:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:42:57] <Cromaglious> hmm get a logtech unifying dongle for $9 or a dongle and a mouse for 50 cents more...
[03:43:08] <dirty_d> then select one end and click the 2.54 icon
[03:43:15] <dirty_d> thats the length constraint button
[03:43:39] <XXCoder> dirty_d: that locked size to 16.93?
[03:43:43] <Cromaglious> ok I'm rebooting for giggles and grins..
[03:43:51] <Cromaglious> bbiaw
[03:43:53] <georgenz> pcw - have issues with the analog out again - it is putting out 1V when CW or CCW is pressed, however when I press the spindle + or - button, the voltage jumps to -9.9V
[03:43:55] <dirty_d> XXCoder, yea it will lock it to whatever you want it to be
[03:44:04] <dirty_d> its locking both lines to that size
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[03:44:10] <georgenz> this is the same whether I use analog5 or analog4
[03:44:35] <XXCoder> interesting but right now ill leave it unlocked size
[03:45:04] <dirty_d> yea so now you drag the end of one line around, the other should change length with it
[03:45:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:45:21] <georgenz> and the same if I run an m3 s500 type command
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[03:45:52] <tjtr33> XXCoder, you dbl clk on the size number and get an editable dialog to chg it
[03:45:56] <XXCoder> tagent arc nice
[03:46:14] <XXCoder> tjtr33: cool but yeah tut dont do it so I dont. for now.
[03:46:19] <PetefromTn_> might be a scaling problem
[03:46:42] <georgenz> i was thinkin that, where is the scale set?
[03:47:29] <georgenz> the limits of the scale are set from 0 to 9.8V
[03:48:00] <XXCoder> lol when I screw i up completely screen turns red
[03:48:05] <XXCoder> good thing has undo
[03:48:34] <dirty_d> any of you figure out how to make it not draw back faces red and not be transparent?
[03:48:35] <pcw_home> limits should be -RPM to +RPM, scale should be +RPM
[03:49:07] <tjtr33> dirty_d, no, would be nice to get that workin
[03:49:39] <dirty_d> tjtr33, i saw where its decided in the code, but i see no option in the gui
[03:49:49] <renesis> georgenz: awesome, sounds like progress
[03:49:53] <dirty_d> havent really looked into it though
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[03:51:54] <Rab> dirty_d, down in the config screen.
[03:52:25] <Cromaglious> [ 243.988762] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[03:52:25] <Cromaglious> [ 243.988774] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[03:53:07] <Rab> Way down at the bottom, "draw triangle back faces in red".
[03:53:13] <Cromaglious> guess I'm gonna be compiling new radon drivers
[03:53:15] <tjtr33> dirty_d, haha bg pix http://ibin.co/1t3Sc3rr2z75
[03:53:18] <Rab> I don't know about transparency.
[03:53:31] <dirty_d> ahh nice! thanks
[03:53:56] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: I doubt it's the driver.
[03:54:40] <furrywolf> although you might want to make sure you have any appropriate firmware packages installed.
[03:54:52] <dirty_d> haha, didnt know you can set the bg
[03:54:52] <tjtr33> Rab, cool, no more monkey butt red rear
[03:54:54] <furrywolf> then again, I take back what I said. the radeon driver is shit. it could well be the driver...
[03:55:21] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think its trying to use opengl features that arent available with your gl lib
[03:55:29] <dirty_d> dont you have really old versions?
[03:56:49] <XXCoder> damn
[03:56:52] <XXCoder> its cool
[03:56:59] <XXCoder> and whoever did tutorial kick ass
[03:56:59] <tjtr33> i used fltk 1.3.0 cuz it asked for 1.3
[03:57:22] <Cromaglious> hmm checking
[03:57:43] <Cromaglious> tjb11, as did I, 1.3.3 actually
[03:57:56] <dirty_d> glxinfo tell you a lot about the capabilities
[03:58:07] <tjtr33> right, not same as what worked for me
[03:58:18] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone. good evening
[03:58:36] <tjtr33> i dunno who tjb11 is anyway
[03:58:51] <XXCoder> "thickness of line"
[03:58:54] <XXCoder> err
[03:58:57] <XXCoder> "thickness of angle"
[03:58:59] <XXCoder> whats it
[03:59:01] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, did you get those edm urls?
[03:59:06] <James628> pcw_home: Do you know when 7i90HD cards will be back in the store?
[03:59:23] <XXCoder> ohh
[03:59:35] <Cromaglious> server glx version string: 1.2 client glx version string: 1.4 GLX version: 1.2 OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1
[03:59:37] <MacGalempsy> sure did, but it got pretty cold last night, so there was a retreat to the gameroom
[03:59:45] <tjtr33> np
[03:59:58] <tjtr33> gnite all, thx all
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[04:00:41] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, seems old, i have mesa-libgl 10.4.5
[04:00:47] <tjb11> tjb11 is awesome
[04:00:47] <MacGalempsy> just got a Vonage account setup. now my clients will think we live in the middle of Houston, but quietly we live in the Ozarks!
[04:00:48] <tjb11> that's who.
[04:01:23] <Cromaglious> ok time to find a newer one
[04:01:28] <dirty_d> and opengl 3.3
[04:01:45] <dirty_d> your cards not that old to only support opengl 1.5
[04:02:11] <XXCoder> dirty_d: tut shows blue part but mines all gray how do I change color?
[04:02:44] <dirty_d> down in configuration in the small window probably
[04:03:52] <furrywolf> is accelerated 3d graphics a requirement for running this program? because I'm not even going to try downloading it if it is...
[04:04:26] <PetefromTn_> this is the first I have seen of the Solvespace program. Have not looked at it yet other than a quick youtube video or two. Any comments on what it does better if anything than Freecad?
[04:04:54] <furrywolf> if it runs for more than five minutes without screwing up, it's doing something better than freecad. :)
[04:05:33] <XXCoder> furrywolf: indeed!
[04:05:40] <XXCoder> I made complex 3d part and no crashy
[04:05:46] <Rab> XXCoder, click on the group-name -> color -> [change]
[04:05:51] <PetefromTn_> I don't really have that problem with freecad
[04:05:54] <XXCoder> freecad crash whe bI look at it funny
[04:06:46] <furrywolf> but, if it requires 3d acceleration, I'm not going to be able to run it.
[04:06:57] <XXCoder> good question
[04:07:17] <XXCoder> bryce 3 dont need it but it certainly cant export gcode lol
[04:08:08] <XXCoder> dirty_d: finally figured how to find out what group is what part
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[04:08:13] <XXCoder> so its now blue. thanks
[04:08:19] <dirty_d> cool, np
[04:08:29] <Cromaglious> that's gonna take awhile 14300 of 690256 files
[04:08:37] <tjtr33> woah! solvespace needs a better icon, thats just ugly!
[04:08:49] <tjtr33> (had to add it to the menus )
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[04:08:56] <renesis> make one and submit it
[04:09:02] <renesis> fork the project with your icon
[04:09:30] <XXCoder> yes icon takes 99% of work
[04:09:30] <renesis> call is solvesexy
[04:09:36] <renesis> obv
[04:09:37] <XXCoder> solvesexyicon
[04:09:57] <Cromaglious> --~ bbiab
[04:10:02] <XXCoder> damn I gonna try design my router table in it
[04:10:04] <XXCoder> I like it
[04:11:01] <XXCoder> almost finished besides 2 holes
[04:12:01] <renesis> theres a sex joke somewhere in that last line
[04:12:17] <XXCoder> yep
[04:12:22] <XXCoder> anything hole related
[04:12:30] <XXCoder> no wonder theres so many sex machinist jokes :P
[04:12:32] <XXCoder> jk
[04:15:18] <XXCoder> dirty_d: im confused on how to create workspace in non-xy,yz or xz plane
[04:15:28] <XXCoder> it shows 2 lines selected but it errors when I try
[04:16:17] <XXCoder> ph
[04:16:19] <XXCoder> oh
[04:16:27] <XXCoder> had to select dot too
[04:16:28] <Cromaglious> back
[04:16:56] <dirty_d> yup
[04:17:10] <Cromaglious> 29% at 206000 of 690k
[04:18:25] <dirty_d> you should just install a newer system
[04:18:43] <dirty_d> or dual boot with the linuxcnc pre-made system and a newer one
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[04:19:39] <XXCoder> oh look my angle grew legs lol
[04:19:45] <XXCoder> or 2 penises :P
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[04:22:17] * furrywolf hides the strapons from XXCoder
[04:22:29] <XXCoder> lol
[04:24:29] <XXCoder> done
[04:24:33] <XXCoder> nice tutorial
[04:25:06] <XXCoder> well part is done but tut arent
[04:26:31] <furrywolf> hrmm. this datasheet seems to have units errors. for example, last I checked, 0.010" was not 2.54mm.
[04:26:35] <dirty_d> if freecad used the geometry engine from this, that would be great
[04:27:58] <dirty_d> meh, whats a couple decimal points
[04:28:41] <dirty_d> this is not some mundane detain Michael!
[04:29:04] <Cromaglious> damn logitech you have to get thier bluetooth unifying dongle thingy
[04:29:09] <XXCoder> my model is watertight
[04:29:10] <XXCoder> cool lol
[04:30:19] <XXCoder> hmm STEP modek
[04:30:48] <dirty_d> i think you want export surfaces, and choose step format
[04:31:01] <XXCoder> already did, reading step file
[04:31:28] <dirty_d> you can understand those?
[04:31:34] <XXCoder> nah was just curious
[04:31:38] <dirty_d> oh ok, lol
[04:31:50] <XXCoder> wanted to know if its anything I can convert other format 3d file to
[04:31:51] * furrywolf orders sensors to build spindle encoder
[04:31:51] <dirty_d> I was gonna say, made no sense to me even though its plaintext
[04:32:13] <XXCoder> I made convertor once
[04:32:16] <dirty_d> furrywolf, those capacitive ones that have a plastic thing that slides on the shaft?
[04:32:32] <furrywolf> should I bother with an encoder for the mill spindle, or just the lathe spindle? I have neither variable speed nor software-controlled reversing...
[04:32:47] <furrywolf> dirty_d: no, your standard optical slot sensor for reading an encoder wheel
[04:33:39] <XXCoder> dirty_d: so I can import step file into some CAM software
[04:33:45] <XXCoder> then export gcode?
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[04:34:17] <furrywolf> since I can't rigid tap with no reverse, is there any reason I'd need spindle-synchronized movement on the mill?
[04:34:47] <dirty_d> ahh
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[04:35:12] <dirty_d> isnt the capacitive one cheaper and better though?
[04:35:22] <dirty_d> i think like $20
[04:35:31] <dirty_d> and 2048 counts/rev
[04:35:36] <furrywolf> $20 is substantially more than $2
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[04:35:43] <dirty_d> this is very true, lol
[04:35:50] <dirty_d> so its more a diy one?
[04:36:00] <furrywolf> I'm building http://members.shaw.ca/SWSTUFF/spindle-encoder.html
[04:36:00] <dirty_d> with your own encoder wheel and just a discrete sensor?
[04:36:13] <dirty_d> ahh ok, yea
[04:37:07] <furrywolf> adding a timing belt drive to a separate encoder would be a pain...
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[04:40:42] <dirty_d> yea
[04:41:36] <furrywolf> I'll probably re-use the encoder wheel gcode from that site, but build my own boards.
[04:41:47] <Cromaglious> wow ubuntu doesn't have flex or bison
[04:41:52] <XXCoder> dirty_d: check this out http://picpaste.com/angle-hL9whxCK.png
[04:42:14] <Cromaglious> err installed by default
[04:42:38] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: probably because the average desktop user will never compile anything with its own parser?
[04:43:06] <Cromaglious> yeah it's been 10 years since I've run linux
[04:43:23] <dirty_d> XXCoder, cool, i havent tried that yet
[04:43:43] <XXCoder> its pretty cool.
[04:44:55] <furrywolf> I suspect the majority of ubuntu users never compile anything, ever... and something with its own grammar is even less likely.
[04:45:11] <XXCoder> furry you probably would be right
[04:45:14] <XXCoder> its user focused
[04:45:22] <Rab> XXCoder, how did you make the surfaces opaque?
[04:45:30] <XXCoder> and I remember at one point I had to add and fix stuff so it could be compile
[04:45:44] <XXCoder> Rab: in that little window theres icons where you show and hide stuff
[04:45:53] <XXCoder> yours probably has solid surface hidden
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[04:46:08] <XXCoder> or you havent exuded anythibg
[04:46:34] <XXCoder> gonna run
[04:49:49] <georgenz> have been looking into my issue, this is from my ini file, can anyone see anything wrong here? I'm getting -10V on analog output when I make any speed command apart from cw or ccw on the GUI: [SPINDLE_9]
[04:49:49] <georgenz> OUTPUT_SCALE = 1
[04:49:49] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
[04:49:49] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 9.8
[04:53:01] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[05:11:31] <georgenz> are people still awake here?
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[05:20:47] <LeelooMinai> georgenz: Are you one of those people that only US is on the internet? :)
[05:20:53] <LeelooMinai> that think*
[05:21:18] <georgenz> well - it was VERY quiet
[05:21:35] <PetefromTn_> whatsup georgenz
[05:22:05] <georgenz> heya pete - still no joy with spindle - getting better
[05:22:13] <georgenz> but 2 days work on it and no cigar
[05:23:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah this stuff can sometimes take awhile.
[05:23:44] <georgenz> at the moment - I have the spindle turning cw and ccw
[05:23:58] <georgenz> at a speed that seems to be determined by the scale in the ini file
[05:24:15] <georgenz> [SPINDLE_9]
[05:24:16] <georgenz> OUTPUT_SCALE = 100.0
[05:24:16] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
[05:24:16] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 9.8
[05:25:46] <PetefromTn_> why is it 9.8?
[05:26:06] <georgenz> the manual of the hitachi says 0-9.8V
[05:26:25] <PetefromTn_> ok I have to check my settings..
[05:28:01] <PetefromTn_> my spindle now has encoder feedback so my settings are something like
[05:28:16] <PetefromTn_> encoder scale 50000
[05:28:27] <PetefromTn_> output scale 6000
[05:28:42] <PetefromTn_> output min limit 0
[05:28:50] <georgenz> what is weird is that the mdi commands arent doing diddly to the speed it runs at
[05:28:51] <PetefromTn_> output max limit 6000
[05:29:32] <georgenz> hmmm, shall I up my max limit to say 100 and see what happens?
[05:30:42] <PetefromTn_> I THINK the analog output is max of 10v but I am not sure.
[05:31:13] <georgenz> well, u got yrs set to 6000V
[05:31:18] <PetefromTn_> I would maybe make the change and disconnect it from the vfd and check with Vm to ensure you don't overvoltage it
[05:31:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but it might be setup in my hal because I have a spindle mask for the 2-1 ratio not sure exactly how that correlates.
[05:32:30] <PetefromTn_> I think it will work but I don't want to tell you wrong and hurt your expensive VFD
[05:34:03] <PetefromTn_> do you ever get close to 9 volts to the output and when you do what kind of RPM are you getting
[05:34:42] <Cromaglious> ok had to down load about 6 other tings for mesa... still trying to compile
[05:35:19] <Cromaglious> and I forgot to compile one
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[05:36:08] <georgenz> the limit is rpm - not volts
[05:36:23] <georgenz> it's worded really badly in the pncconfig
[05:36:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah I understand that
[05:36:36] <georgenz> so I had mine set to max rpm at 9.8rpm
[05:36:50] <PetefromTn_> what RPM did you get?
[05:37:40] <georgenz> well the rpm seems to come from the scale you set
[05:38:08] <georgenz> i was jst spinning at 1500rpm
[05:38:55] <PetefromTn_> what was the output voltage?
[05:40:31] <georgenz> 3.3v
[05:41:45] <PetefromTn_> that is at least close should be 2.45 if I did my math right..
[05:42:04] <PetefromTn_> probably didn't LOL
[05:42:16] <georgenz> the most important thing is it is doing what its told
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[05:43:05] <PetefromTn_> try changing that max limit setting to something conseratively larger
[05:43:19] <georgenz> ive jst put it to 3000
[05:44:27] <PetefromTn_> when you say your spinning at 1500 RPM do you mean you input MDI M3 s1500 or you measured the speed with a digital tacho at 1500?
[05:44:50] <georgenz> i got it bang on with digital tacho now
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[05:46:29] <PetefromTn_> Ok good
[05:46:57] <PetefromTn_> remember what I said about getting the VFD settings right before you go too crazy tuning the spindle parameters tho.
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[05:58:20] <georgenz> it all seems to be working bonza now thanks pete
[05:58:41] <georgenz> vfd still needs some work 0- but i'll get there
[05:59:00] <PetefromTn_> you are welcome.
[05:59:35] <PetefromTn_> if you don't mind getting me the wiring scheme you have for the 7i77 to the vfd pinout so I can set mine up with analog again I would appreciate it.
[05:59:59] <georgenz> yeah - no stress, Will do it moro
[06:00:01] <georgenz> am so happy yay
[06:00:20] <PetefromTn_> nice....now maybe you can start making some chips soon..
[06:07:13] <PetefromTn_> Well Gn8 all
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[06:07:54] <XXCoder> georgenz: congats
[06:08:40] <georgenz> thx man
[06:09:45] <XXCoder> I really to get off my ass and build frame for my cnc router
[06:11:32] <Cromaglious> and downloaded and just compiled 4 more packages
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[06:14:29] <Cromaglious> and another one... sheshz.. mesa is HUGE
[06:14:39] <XXCoder> mega mesa
[06:15:17] <Cromaglious> cd ../mesa; !./aut
[06:15:28] <Cromaglious> is becoming my comand line
[06:16:23] <Cromaglious> I just got xcb i though
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[06:18:34] <XXCoder> damn I love solvespace
[06:18:45] <XXCoder> gonna play with it but gonna sleep lol laters
[06:19:41] <Cromaglious> oh yeah I was gonna get a winbloz binary of it
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[07:47:02] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16472654040/
[07:47:05] <zeeshan> anyone know what you call these
[07:49:50] <Connor> They have Fadal on them..
[07:49:55] <zeeshan> yea
[07:50:05] <Connor> maybe something for a tool changer.. blanks or something?
[07:50:12] <Connor> for the forks to keep them safe?
[07:50:35] <zeeshan> hm
[07:50:36] <zeeshan> i dont know
[07:50:46] <Connor> they rubber or plastic?
[07:50:54] <zeeshan> some sort of hard plastic
[07:50:56] <zeeshan> prolly bakelite
[07:52:17] <zeeshan> i saw em on ebay
[07:52:19] <zeeshan> but i lost the damn link
[07:52:26] <archivist> could be a carbon filled plastic
[07:52:31] <Connor> I just did a google image search on "fadal fork protector" and found a picture of MY controller on emclog.archivist.info
[07:52:37] <zeeshan> connor wtf
[07:52:59] <archivist> shows my logging works :)
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[07:53:18] <Connor> but why did it come up under those keywords?
[07:53:29] <zeeshan> well searching irc logs sucks
[07:53:35] <zeeshan> cause it wont fucking hit.
[07:53:40] <Connor> and what the hell is the chances of me finding my OWN crap searchin on something totally unrelated ?
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[07:53:45] <archivist> google looks at whole pages
[07:54:19] <archivist> once in a while that happens on a search
[07:54:54] <archivist> having written a search engine I understand the cause
[07:57:02] <Connor> bed time, lated dudes
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[07:57:07] <zeeshan> nite
[07:57:25] <Deejay> moin
[08:00:42] <Swapper> moin
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[08:02:27] <archivist> connor fadal was sain in the channel the day before, that is another problem for search engines, scrolling data
[08:02:31] <archivist> said
[08:03:03] <Cromaglious> heh
[08:03:31] <Cromaglious> archivist, you get the root figured out?
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[08:04:16] <archivist> erm you forgot I said project is on roundtuit list
[08:04:34] <Cromaglious> ok I have hot plate .tap ready I think
[08:04:52] <Cromaglious> ahhh the dreaded Roundtuit
[08:05:03] <archivist> I know it is interesting and needs doing but where no prospect of immediate earnings
[08:05:19] <Cromaglious> I used to buy those in Korea and a bag of P
[08:05:23] <Cromaglious> s and Q's
[08:06:00] <Cromaglious> i'd put it as intensely interesting
[08:06:17] <archivist> it is hard to know which roundtuit to work on when there is no actual work to do
[08:06:38] <Cromaglious> hmmm do I take in my ubuntu box in to the space tomorrow... I think I do...
[08:07:14] <Cromaglious> well my photo interruptors are on their way back to china... post office said Insufficient address
[08:07:26] <Cromaglious> basturds
[08:07:27] <archivist> hehe
[08:07:49] <Cromaglious> wish I looked on the 21st.. I could have rescued them
[08:08:43] <Cromaglious> they were just 4.8 miles away
[08:10:09] <archivist> was the address that bad or useless postoffice
[08:10:48] <Cromaglious> dunno... I don't have a picture of the package
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[08:21:40] <Cromaglious> thought I had yum oh well
[08:22:41] <Cromaglious> up to 21 packages including mesa
[08:23:15] <Cromaglious> oh another 3 or 4 gotten via apt-get
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[09:04:10] <Cromaglious> n8
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[10:45:18] <Jymmm> Heh, Frys now sells 3D printer... $2300 USD
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[10:59:27] <SpeedEvil> Ow
[10:59:42] <SpeedEvil> Assuming it's not actually worth that.
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[11:04:12] <Jymmm> http://www.frys.com/product/8259446?site=sa:adpages%20page:P128_SUN%20date:022215
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[12:05:11] <Cromaglious> no way its worth that
[12:05:43] <SpeedEvil> But it has a camera!
[12:07:48] <Cromaglious> its a printer... if its printing i'm somewhere near or asleep... no need camera
[12:08:12] <archivist> "worth" and "what the market will bear" are unrelated :)
[12:08:32] <SpeedEvil> I wish Royal Mail would get more clue.
[12:08:54] <SpeedEvil> I want to be able to print letters from their printers near the destination, and have them recorded delivery.
[12:10:28] <Cromaglious> exactly... Post Office should have taken over email... though with a fairly flat tiered rate
[12:12:58] <Cromaglious> gn8 all
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[12:25:23] <CaptHindsight> still waiting for the 4D printers
[12:29:06] <skunkworks> *printing in time and space!
[12:29:38] <skunkworks> I want a quantum printer
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[12:31:00] * SpeedEvil quarks.
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[12:33:18] <CaptHindsight> "FedEx, UPS Refuse to Ship Ghost Gunner Gun Milling Machine" it's a mill!
[12:33:27] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/02/25/fedex-ups-refuse-to-ship-ghost-gunner-milling-machine/
[12:34:00] <SpeedEvil> Meh. PR.
[12:34:37] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the initial reaction was 'Oh no, more cheap publicity'
[12:35:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150226-fedex-and-ups-refuse-to-ship-a-digital-mill-that-makes-untraceable-ghost-guns.html better pics of it here
[12:35:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/fedex-and-ups-will-not-ship-digital-mill-5.jpg
[12:36:57] <skunkworks> wow. Looks like a rotozip bitg
[12:36:58] <skunkworks> bit
[12:36:59] <SpeedEvil> Sure - it's arguably silly - but complaining about a company not wishing to deal with you, when they have that legal right - from someone that's allegedly taking a stand on legal rights is a bit week
[12:37:04] <SpeedEvil> wake
[12:37:08] <SpeedEvil> weak
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[13:04:51] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: iirc its not taht simple
[13:05:32] <Loetmichel> in germany the DHL have a official obligience to carrry ANY package from any citizen unless PRIVEN legal issues
[13:05:35] <Loetmichel> PROVEN
[13:05:47] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[13:05:51] <Loetmichel> i think in the us the usps will be in a similar role
[13:06:01] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, that is not the case for UPS, or FEDEX - in this case.
[13:06:06] <SpeedEvil> UPS is not USPS
[13:06:20] <Loetmichel> yes
[13:06:35] <Loetmichel> so that leaves usps to the "gfun maker"
[13:06:37] <Loetmichel> gun
[13:07:24] <SpeedEvil> Also - IIRC Fedex has a long history of not accepting anything at all gun-related.
[13:07:39] <SpeedEvil> Even when not prohibited by law
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[13:21:44] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: what i meant: most of the companys may have been in the right to deny him their services: one is not by definition...
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[13:34:30] <jdh> I've shipped guns fedex
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[13:35:59] <malcom2073> I'm waiting for someone to say "It's my religion to ship guns, so they can't deny me service". It's bound to happen
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[13:43:02] <JT-Shop> brrr it's 45F... in the shop!
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[13:43:50] <malcom2073> I believe it's 30ish in mine... fortunatly I'm not in there :-D
[13:43:54] <malcom2073> I will be this evening though :/
[13:46:34] <Swapper> its a world of differance to have some heat in the garage :)
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[13:51:41] <malcom2073> I agree, I'll hopefully have my heater running soon
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[14:35:00] <JT-Shop> anyone build a 4-20ma signal generator?
[14:35:11] <JT-Shop> or know how to build one cheap and fast
[14:38:38] <archivist> ew that takes be back to the 1960's had to calibrate 4-20ma loops
[14:39:34] <archivist> it is just a variable constant current source
[14:40:30] <archivist> so any accurate constant (or measure it with an accurate meter) current generator
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[14:43:29] <archivist> it was used in the brewery I was helping fit out for valve control and vat weight measuring etc
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[14:46:37] <JT-Shop> I need to test some bar gauges that take 4-20ma
[14:46:55] <lookup> Quick question, I am using a 2D plotter with no Z-Axis, however all of the G-Code path generators don’t take this into effect. What would be my best chance at drawing a path most suitable for 2D photos.
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[14:47:33] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Would a current-limiting power supply work?
[14:47:47] <FinboySlick> (the kind you find in school electronics labs and such)
[14:47:48] <JT-Shop> if I had one I guess it would
[14:48:05] <archivist> or a pot and op amp
[14:48:21] <JT-Shop> I have a lab power supply but it is only 18v and this system is 24v
[14:48:32] <archivist> http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/43-09/current_source.html
[14:49:07] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Your supply would probably still work, 4-20ma is designed to cope with voltage drops over long cables.
[14:49:14] <archivist> voltage matters little, it is the current that is sensed
[14:49:43] <JT-Shop> I need to hook it up and see how fine the fine adjust knob is
[14:50:17] <archivist> a google images "accurate constant current source circuit 4-20" finds a bunch
[14:50:40] * JT-Shop goes to dig around to see if I have a PLC with an analog out card
[14:50:44] <pcw_home> use a series resistor and measure the loop current with a decent DVM
[14:51:00] <archivist> the cheap way :)
[14:51:12] <pcw_home> (using a adjustable voltage supply)
[14:52:16] <JT-Shop> I have an adjustable voltage supply
[14:52:32] <JT-Shop> what size resistor
[14:52:53] <dirty_d> an opamp driving a transistor with the negative feedback being the sense resistor voltage would work no?
[14:52:55] <pcw_home> say 500 Ohm with a 24V supply
[14:53:07] <dirty_d> and the signal going to the non-inverting input
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[14:53:44] <archivist> whatever suits you and the resolution of your dvm I would use a 10 or 100 so the reading is sensible
[14:54:54] <archivist> 1k is 1 volt per milliamp
[14:55:34] <JT-Shop> ok, let me dig up a resistor
[14:56:58] <pcw_home> 1W or so
[14:58:05] <pcw_home> (or multiple smaller parallel or series)
[14:58:20] <jdh> I have a nifty fluke process calibrator that sources current and voltage
[15:02:04] <archivist> it is amazing that after all these years 4-20 is still around
[15:02:44] <archivist> reasonable standards do survive
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[15:05:47] <Deejay> re
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[15:07:48] <JT-Shop> 470 ohm gives me 20ma at about 9v
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[15:08:28] <JT-Shop> does that sound right?
[15:09:06] <Deejay> yip
[15:09:14] <Swapper> archivist: but its quite rugged way to send signal isnt it?
[15:09:50] <Swapper> archivist: btw, i added the 120ohm resistors to the powermeeter and i can now read the value i had problems with before.
[15:10:01] <Swapper> regarding the modbus problems
[15:10:04] <archivist> basically yes but for slow changing signals
[15:10:10] <pcw_home> also can power the devices on the loop
[15:10:40] <archivist> Swapper, Ok so was the terminator
[15:10:52] <Swapper> yea the absense of them
[15:10:58] <Swapper> the installers hadnt botherd
[15:11:07] <pcw_home> that is, there are 4-20 ma loop powered sensors and even readouts
[15:11:15] <archivist> your first lesson in transmission line reflections :)
[15:11:38] <jdh> we have 4-20 everywhere
[15:11:45] <Swapper> archivist: ive been down that path before but always thaught " it works or it dosnt"
[15:12:13] <Swapper> not that i can have consistent errors based on faulty installation like you explaind , that where new to me
[15:12:30] <archivist> I have been fixing stuff all my life, seen too many only just almost working
[15:13:02] <Swapper> now i only need to figure why i get negative AMP values
[15:14:33] <JT-Shop> PCW, thanks
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[15:24:55] * FinboySlick is only just almost working, but that's because he does IT.
[15:25:51] <jdh> Hey, I'm working too!
[15:26:21] <archivist> I only had about 2 hours work this week
[15:26:47] <jdh> I only did about 2 hrs
[15:27:43] <jdh> I'm supposed to move a bunch of MMI's off XP
[15:28:13] <archivist> onto what I refuse to move to win 8+
[15:28:18] <jdh> but the old MMI package won't work in win7
[15:28:45] <FinboySlick> jdh: Thanks for reminding me how lucky I am not to do Windows IT.
[15:28:50] <jdh> so I had to buy $21k worth of new lcenses
[15:29:31] <archivist> I had to move an office off xp a few weeks back, got some win7 boxes off fleabay
[15:29:59] <Swapper> i hate windows 8 and server 2012
[15:30:04] <FinboySlick> I wish ReactOS was a done deal.
[15:30:16] <jdh> then reload wonderware, plc programmers, drive/controller packages, source, etx
[15:30:42] <jdh> and rebuild the windows for the new version
[15:30:43] <Jymmm> VM's FTW
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[15:33:23] <jdh> which I should be doing instead of whinging
[15:33:30] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I see it as the insidious return of the mainframe.
[15:33:52] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: What, VM's?
[15:33:57] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Yes.
[15:34:22] <Rab> That happened 15 years ago with Terminal Services.
[15:34:46] <archivist> over selling VMs is a crime
[15:34:57] <jdh> we get 'thin client' pushes from IT every few years
[15:35:16] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Are you out of your fucking mind?! VM's are AWESOME!!! you can deploy/restore/recover/duplicate as fast as you can copy files.
[15:35:37] <archivist> and also provide a slow service
[15:36:09] <Swapper> vms is the shit
[15:36:10] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I'm not saying they don't have a legitimate use. Just that they're not the cure for everything IT they're being made to be.
[15:36:15] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: No install, reboot, update, reboot, install drivers, reboot, install service pack, reboot, install apps, reboot, update apps, reboot, reboot just because you havne't rebooted in 5 minutes, reboot
[15:36:31] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Well, yeah, but that's mostly a case of crappy OS.
[15:36:49] <Swapper> Templates ftw
[15:37:18] <Jymmm> If I install an app or driver, if it fucks up I van just revert to snapshot in 30 seconds without even rebooting
[15:37:38] <Jymmm> Virus? Malware? revert to snapshot
[15:37:39] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: That, or you could have a good FS that allows for snapshots.
[15:38:18] <FinboySlick> VMs are mostly a band-aid for windows problems nowadays.
[15:38:36] <Jymmm> Hardly, can use for nix too
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[15:39:27] <Jymmm> I want Type 1 embedded into HW at the BIOS level. Then any install is really just a VM
[15:39:29] <Swapper> Vms are a product of vastly improved cpus and memory
[15:39:36] <FinboySlick> They have their use, as i said. But these uses are not 'let's put it in a vm so we can dodge all the faults in our design'.
[15:39:47] <Swapper> how would it look to have physicals when you run 1000 vms ?
[15:39:49] <Jymmm> phy hdd just store the VM
[15:40:07] <Jymmm> Swapper: hmmm?
[15:40:43] <FinboySlick> Swapper: That's one of the legitimate uses, if you need 1000 machines in a rack, you go VM.
[15:40:44] <Jymmm> Swapper: We ran 30 VM servers from two (redundant) boxes
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[15:42:15] <FinboySlick> The OS should have good snapshotting. Using a vm because you want snapshotting is just a band-aid.
[15:42:55] <Jymmm> snapshots are not the only benefit of VM's
[15:43:13] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I know, but you get the point.
[15:43:24] <Swapper> its vastly more space efficient to run vms
[15:43:37] <Jymmm> Well, when ZFS becomes mainstream
[15:43:47] <Swapper> we run over 1000 vms + physical servers and the vms rule any day
[15:44:14] <Swapper> backup managment(snapshot) restore, DR , HA , DRS you name it
[15:44:34] <Swapper> the fact that if our main datacenter go down we fail over within 2 min to site 2
[15:44:39] <Swapper> do that on hardware
[15:44:44] <Jymmm> When I NEVER have to "INSTALL", just copy over an OS. I'll be happy
[15:45:18] <Swapper> when a OS is as simple as installing an "APP" i would be happy, and that printers go and die
[15:45:54] <Jymmm> Swapper: you're having issues with printing? lol
[15:46:09] <Swapper> i SO HATE printers
[15:46:16] <Jymmm> Swapper: Why?
[15:46:26] <Swapper> Mainly printer drivers
[15:46:43] <Swapper> and that users/costomers have all diferent kinds
[15:46:56] <Jymmm> Swapper: oh, different companies?
[15:47:04] <Swapper> and if they realy whant to make our life dificoult they all have 1 private printer
[15:47:05] <jdh> vms is properly known as OpenVMS now
[15:47:46] <Swapper> Jymmm: yea lots of diferent companies, we host there I T
[15:48:10] <Jymmm> Swapper: lol, I hated that "private printer" shit, but the easiest thing to do is seup a Win server srictly as a print queue for EVERYTHING, works great
[15:48:32] <Jymmm> no DIRECT printing, ever!
[15:48:38] <Swapper> we do that but it still goes belly up some times
[15:49:12] <Swapper> Microsoft GPP is sometimes "special" to handle :)
[15:49:19] <Jymmm> You just restart the print service nightly
[15:49:27] <Swapper> and crappy drivers on top of that
[15:50:10] <Swapper> oh yea, java and adobe can go and shove there stuff to
[15:50:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, just setup a VM of a win box for a print queue, and you'll reduces your tequiia intake by 80%
[15:51:40] <Swapper> i am having a vision to implement a system that uses RFID to check out the prints at the printer
[15:51:41] <jdh> I always bypass the IT win print queues
[15:51:45] <Swapper> but havnt had the time
[15:52:21] <FinboySlick> Allow me to re-state how lucky I am not to have to admin windows.
[15:52:34] <Swapper> FinboySlick: yep :)
[15:52:54] <Swapper> paperless office here we come (1995)
[15:53:07] <Swapper> paperless office where not (2015)
[15:56:17] <FinboySlick> Swapper: Hehe, we still deal with fax trouble here.
[15:56:45] <Swapper> ahh ok, that i dont have as much
[15:56:59] <Swapper> its all gone over to external fax > email serivices
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[15:57:12] <Swapper> or email alltogether
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[15:57:53] <FinboySlick> Swapper: Lawyers aren't even allowed to upgrade to that around here.
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[15:58:40] <Swapper> i think the only rules we have is that the goverment have to print stuff to paper
[15:58:43] <Swapper> for archiving
[15:58:52] <Swapper> and the "books" have to be saved i think in paper
[15:59:06] <Swapper> and that they cant leave the country
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[16:01:11] <Swapper> later, going home
[16:02:13] <ssi> lol someone sent me a picture of a form he got
[16:02:29] <ssi> and it says "This fax was automatically sent by the FAA's Registry Modernization System"
[16:02:34] <ssi> I lol'd irl
[16:13:39] <FinboySlick> I watched 'Bullit' a few months ago. They had a fax at the police station.
[16:13:54] <FinboySlick> Circa 1968.
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[16:26:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQGAaCSFlJI Bullitt Telecopier
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[16:34:22] <FinboySlick> Gotta love Steve McQueen's intense stare when the machine winds down.
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[17:24:54] <CaptHindsight> speaking of old services http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en/another_region_items/531 has contact info including Telex
[17:30:44] <Rab> Leonard Nimoy 1931-2015
[17:30:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCcK-XSuaHs 3D Printing of a small Jet Engine, go Aussies
[17:31:55] <archivist> a toy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brown-amp-Sharpe-2B-Single-Spindle-/111606015558
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[17:33:25] <CaptHindsight> archivist: do you move your machines yourself?
[17:33:49] <ssi> archivist: is it a grinder?
[17:33:53] <archivist> I have done, when I had a trailer
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[17:34:27] <archivist> ssi no a single spindle cam driven automatic lathe
[17:34:32] <ssi> ah
[17:34:46] <archivist> cnc fodder
[17:35:14] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I have a hard time seeing SLS turbine parts withstanding the temps
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[17:35:51] <DaViruz> "3d printing of a small jet engine"
[17:35:59] <DaViruz> must be very small, because i didn't even see it
[17:36:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/media-releases/monash-avalonairshow-2015#more-20018
[17:36:16] <ssi> http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4990290+_b83e0224f3804f6b69e54d2d5041dfd5.gif
[17:36:39] <archivist> CaptHindsight, and I always do my machine/large lump moves at home or wherever myself, I like to keep idiots out the way
[17:37:17] <CaptHindsight> archivist: same here
[17:37:42] <archivist> they wonder why I shout at them when they get too close to a propped item
[17:39:46] <archivist> bottom right machine was about the most dangerous http://www.claymills.org.uk/tour/workshop.html
[17:40:54] <archivist> side arm shaper earth floor at the time, open pit in front, move it off the floor back to its holding down bolts
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[17:43:47] <archivist> better image not scaled http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010347.JPG
[17:43:57] <CaptHindsight> ssi: the alloys are the same for SLS as they are for casting
[17:45:18] <CaptHindsight> what they leave out form the SLS stories is how the parts get heat treated after printing
[17:45:24] <CaptHindsight> form/from
[17:45:42] <DaViruz> seeing it actually run also seems left out
[17:46:03] <pcw_home> probably asplode
[17:49:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/3dprinting.html the injectors don't reach the 6000 F
[17:51:17] <skunkworks> rip Leonard Nimoy
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[17:52:26] <roycroft> he's not dead yet!
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[17:57:18] <skunkworks> he's dead Jim..
[17:57:18] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately yes he is... very sad
[17:58:11] <jdh> dont smoke
[17:58:34] <PetefromTn_> never could understand why anyone would want to..
[17:58:52] <roycroft> the reports on facebook are a hoax
[17:59:06] <roycroft> oh, now it's on the mainstream media
[17:59:19] <roycroft> there were reports two days ago on facebook that he died
[17:59:26] <PetefromTn_> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/star-trek-star-leonard-nimoy-dies-83/story?id=29274628
[17:59:29] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I don't think turbine blades in modern jets are cast either
[17:59:55] <zeeshan> hey guys
[18:00:01] <zeeshan> anyone have a lot of experience with hydraulic fittings?
[18:00:02] <zeeshan> :/
[18:00:03] <roycroft> yes, i see that the la times and ny times have confirmed that he passed this morning
[18:00:07] <roycroft> now i am sad
[18:00:07] <zeeshan> non common ones..
[18:00:16] <jdh> I saw a bunch being machined the other day
[18:00:49] <archivist> they leak
[18:01:11] <CaptHindsight> ssi: they used to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKnICj-j2wI
[18:01:40] <jdh> whats an uncommon one
[18:02:10] <archivist> ssi, you should see RR stuff, but they keep a lot secret
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[18:05:34] <archivist> The BBC did a series last year but they kept a lot of the turbine blade stuff out (cameras not allowed in)
[18:07:25] <CaptHindsight> probably to hide the child migrant workers :)
[18:07:52] <archivist> I know some of the work got exported
[18:07:52] <CaptHindsight> their little fingers can perform more precision assembly
[18:08:10] <ssi> lul
[18:08:21] <archivist> I got kicked off site on my first visit, was too young!
[18:08:46] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16477085580/
[18:08:48] <zeeshan> sorry for the big hand
[18:08:50] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:08:54] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16478343989/in/photostream/
[18:08:58] <zeeshan> female and male side
[18:09:04] <zeeshan> straight threads m12x1.5
[18:09:09] <archivist> under 18 at the time
[18:10:48] <archivist> zeeshan, you could make a new one on the lathe
[18:11:00] <zeeshan> archivist: ive learned one thing
[18:11:06] <zeeshan> and i dont mean to put down your idea :P
[18:11:22] <zeeshan> if you can buy it for relatively cheap, buy it! that way you can spend time on stuff you want to do!
[18:11:40] <cradek> zeeshan: that looks like old fuel/brake line, the type where you put the donut on the tube and the nut squishes it to seal
[18:11:44] <zeeshan> if i cant find it , that will have to be done
[18:11:44] <archivist> but you wanted the learning experience
[18:11:57] * archivist ducks and runs
[18:11:58] <cradek> zeeshan: you just cut off the end with a tubing cutter and use a new donut
[18:12:19] <zeeshan> wait
[18:12:23] <zeeshan> youre saying this is car brake line?
[18:12:26] <zeeshan> it looks different
[18:12:31] * cradek shrugs
[18:12:31] <zeeshan> but then again my car stuff is m10x1
[18:12:41] <zeeshan> so this is odd looking to me
[18:12:43] <cradek> hard to tell the scale
[18:12:43] <zeeshan> i think youre right
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[18:13:35] <ssi> yeah that's compression fittings
[18:13:40] <ssi> also wtf hobbit hands
[18:13:50] <archivist> car brake usually has the tube pushed up into shape, that is a compression fitting
[18:14:20] <cradek> look at you guys and your correct terms for stuff
[18:14:27] <zeeshan> hehe
[18:14:28] <cradek> that one is called "the kind where the donut squishes"
[18:14:34] <zeeshan> hahaha
[18:14:36] <ssi> precision in language is an important facet of engineering :D
[18:14:41] <archivist> I would be cutting that ring and not the tube to repair
[18:15:11] <cradek> surely the tube will be squished too (necked down where the donut was)
[18:15:26] <archivist> the tube often is out of shape due to a previous gorilla
[18:15:33] <zeeshan> why are we cutting stuff
[18:15:42] <zeeshan> the fittings are fine
[18:15:47] <zeeshan> i need a plug for the hose
[18:15:52] <archivist> the donut needs to be replaced to get a seal
[18:15:52] <cradek> haha
[18:16:03] <zeeshan> cause the hydraulics feeds both horizontal and vertical spindle drawbars
[18:16:07] <archivist> ask a better question!
[18:16:21] <zeeshan> since i dont have a vertical spindle one, id like to plug the hyd. hose to vertical drawbar
[18:16:37] <zeeshan> but to get a plug, i need to know what fitting it is
[18:17:09] <archivist> cap, blanking plug
[18:17:15] <zeeshan> http://agscompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/BLA-B710.png
[18:17:20] <zeeshan> could i take a regular brake line fitting like this
[18:17:25] <zeeshan> weld the end of it
[18:17:28] <zeeshan> and shove it in?
[18:18:48] <zeeshan> http://www.esska-tech.co.uk/esska_eng/bilder/hauptbilder_neu/96_verschraubungen/9622_stopfen/962290000200_700.jpg
[18:18:52] <zeeshan> doesnt look like it has the taper
[18:18:53] <zeeshan> for the seal
[18:20:22] <archivist> or make something like http://www.parquiponline.com/epages/r7pkf3sqk6uj.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/r7pkf3sqk6uj/Products/HBP10
[18:21:16] <archivist> this is better http://www.titaninst.com/universal-44-unf-10mm-od-x-9-16-unf-st-st-blanking-plug.html
[18:21:39] <archivist> probably wrong thread but design is right
[18:21:41] <zeeshan> it needs to be an inverted version
[18:21:41] <zeeshan> of that
[18:21:47] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16477085580/in/photostream/
[18:21:53] <zeeshan> im trying to plug this
[18:22:35] <archivist> that needs a cap not a plug
[18:22:39] <zeeshan> oh
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[18:23:20] <archivist> blanking cap is the search term (plus fitting type and size)
[18:24:05] <zeeshan> ok ill take a look after work
[18:24:05] <zeeshan> :)
[18:24:28] <archivist> something like http://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/512x512/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/P/2/P21171467_42.jpg
[18:24:29] <zeeshan> thanks!
[18:25:24] <zeeshan> do you know what the taper angle is?
[18:25:30] <zeeshan> for the flare to seat on
[18:25:44] <archivist> and the donut is called an olive over here
[18:25:59] <zeeshan> for car stuff we cal lit a bubble flare
[18:26:37] <archivist> bubble flare is the pipe itself upset in the tooling though
[18:27:11] <zeeshan> thats true
[18:27:12] <archivist> I think the angles depend on standard
[18:27:19] <zeeshan> i dont know much about compression fittings
[18:27:48] <zeeshan> the japense use a double flare
[18:27:57] <zeeshan> http://www.rtsauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bubble-flare-vs-double-flare-360x219.jpg
[18:27:59] <zeeshan> i remember this
[18:28:06] <zeeshan> so easy to make em weep if y ou swap those 21
[18:28:07] <zeeshan> *2
[18:29:05] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any thoughts on laser sintered single crystal superalloys vs castings?
[18:29:14] <archivist> anyway look in your machine parts list to see whose hydraulic fittings were used
[18:29:23] <zeeshan> archivist: lol
[18:29:32] <zeeshan> that aint happening!
[18:29:36] <zeeshan> no manual, yet
[18:29:48] <archivist> I thought you were on to getting that real soon now :)
[18:29:57] <zeeshan> i told them to order it, but no response yet
[18:30:01] <zeeshan> that was a couple days ago
[18:30:15] <andypugh> Can you laser-sinter into a single crystal? I would be very surprised if that was possible.
[18:30:15] <archivist> I remembered
[18:31:25] <zeeshan> archivist: if i was gonna make that fitting
[18:31:29] <zeeshan> how would i do the internal angle? :)
[18:31:31] <zeeshan> its kinda tight in ther
[18:31:33] <zeeshan> *there
[18:32:01] <archivist> I would grind up a small boring tool
[18:32:03] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: could the parts be heat treated after sintering to get a single crystal?
[18:32:20] <archivist> I doubt that CaptHindsight
[18:32:28] <CaptHindsight> or is that temp to close to its softening point?
[18:32:45] <CaptHindsight> reflow it
[18:33:00] <archivist> crystal making is an art form in an oven
[18:33:12] <andypugh> Rolls-Royce know how to heat-treat castings to convert them into single crystals. They refuse to patent the process…..
[18:33:24] <CaptHindsight> sinter, then place in ceramic mold, heat to melting pint?
[18:33:29] <andypugh> (So nobody knows _how_ they do it)
[18:33:29] <archivist> to hide the method
[18:33:35] <zeeshan> archivist: maybe i can use a threading insert :)
[18:33:51] <archivist> too large
[18:34:16] <zeeshan> http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/ttrikalin/tailstock%20drilling%20adaptor/IMG_7214.jpg
[18:34:19] <zeeshan> i guess i need something like that
[18:34:19] <zeeshan> :P
[18:34:22] <archivist> hell the taper from a drill bit may be ok
[18:34:28] <zeeshan> hahahahaha
[18:34:33] <CaptHindsight> I don't see why that won't work
[18:34:56] <zeeshan> i could take a shitty drill bit
[18:35:02] <zeeshan> and grind a custom taper to it
[18:35:11] <zeeshan> i have that drill bit grinder
[18:35:24] * zeeshan isnt the greatest at hand grinding
[18:36:38] <andypugh> Argh! They are called “Olives” not “Donuts"
[18:36:39] * FinboySlick thinks he'll get a $46.99 framed print of that.
[18:36:44] <andypugh> (Been reading back)
[18:37:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.google.com/patents/US4381944 Superalloy article repair method and alloy powder mixture
[18:37:53] <andypugh> Olive removal_ http://youtu.be/6kK9W3M3vT0
[18:39:14] <archivist> andypugh, I have one of those tools, now I know what it is!
[18:39:45] <archivist> monument made another which cuts
[18:41:31] <archivist> http://www.corgi-direct.com/monument-15mm-olive-cutter-1-3420325?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=GB&utm_campaign=GoogleBase&gclid=CLmCzq3jgsQCFY_MtAodGHsAtA
[18:42:03] <archivist> not very good, makes your hand hurt
[18:44:58] <andypugh> zeeshan: I got a whole bunch of tiny boring bars from eBay. Search for Horn (105, supermini) :https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#6057493351291797154
[18:46:30] <andypugh> archivist: “Pah! You have a _woman’s_ Hands!”
[18:47:42] <archivist> you should try this tool, this was when I was scrapping all day
[18:48:24] <archivist> I used a pair of snips faster and easier than the monument
[18:48:45] <archivist> snips/end nippers
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[18:51:15] <andypugh> Oh, I _know_ I have a woman’s hands. A work colleague took a photo that my hands appeared in and his wife was jealous of my nails. :-)
[18:55:00] <archivist> I was entertained a bit yesterday, delivered two double glazed units, got back to van and found fingers sticking to each other, did not feel the cut at all
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[19:06:23] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/mechanical-drives/polymers-outperform-metals-precision-gearing
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[19:15:39] <zeeshan> andypugh: thats a mother load!
[19:16:08] <andypugh> Not bad for £70 (they list at £25 each)
[19:16:19] <zeeshan> are they coated hss?
[19:16:20] <zeeshan> or carbide
[19:16:41] <zeeshan> im assuming hss
[19:16:45] <zeeshan> from the heat scoring :-)
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[19:18:00] <archivist> ph horn do lots of carbide stuff
[19:18:52] <archivist> hmm I dont see one small enough to bore 2 mm there :)
[19:19:05] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5925420197652077922
[19:19:07] <zeeshan> nice andypugh
[19:19:17] <zeeshan> you made your own t fitting
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[19:20:08] <andypugh> I was in a hurry. That’s quite a big-bore fitting for a car cooling system.
[19:20:19] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5860860184697043874
[19:20:25] <zeeshan> i need an outboard support like that for my mill
[19:20:26] <zeeshan> :{
[19:20:26] <andypugh> archivist: Horn do boring bars down to 0.2mm
[19:21:16] <archivist> I know they do very small too I have a catalogue, I made an hss one for the job I was doing
[19:22:12] <zeeshan> andypugh:
[19:22:13] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5753625305369773122
[19:22:16] <andypugh> I actually think that the smallest one down by the penny is smaller than 2mm
[19:22:16] <zeeshan> what is this nonsense
[19:22:47] <andypugh> I am a bad welder <shrug>
[19:23:01] <zeeshan> nope
[19:23:03] <zeeshan> not you
[19:23:10] <zeeshan> youre trying to well 1000 series aluminum there
[19:23:15] <zeeshan> weld
[19:23:18] <zeeshan> which welds like ass
[19:23:19] <zeeshan> :/
[19:23:31] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5501336824053407474
[19:23:32] <andypugh> It’s what I had.
[19:23:32] <zeeshan> i like this
[19:23:44] <zeeshan> youve done a lot of work
[19:23:46] <zeeshan> on different areas
[19:23:54] <zeeshan> respect :)
[19:24:23] <andypugh> There is a YouTube video of the drawbar, if you are interested.
[19:24:57] <zeeshan> i think i have seen it
[19:25:00] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5611905035055922322
[19:25:05] <zeeshan> you made these splines?
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[19:26:55] * zeeshan will be back
[19:27:05] <Connor> Leonard Nimoy, 'Star Trek's' Spock, dead at 83 :( :( :( :( :(
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[19:29:08] <roycroft> www.roycroft.us/bilbo.mov
[19:29:11] <roycroft> happy spock :)
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[19:54:31] <jdh> stoned spock
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[19:55:16] <XXCoder> woot
[19:55:19] <XXCoder> got job :)
[19:55:26] <CaptHindsight> \0/
[19:55:55] <jdh> cool
[19:56:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:56:04] <XXCoder> start this monday
[19:56:19] <Connor> XXCoder: doing what?
[19:56:26] <CaptHindsight> no more having to stay at home and chat on IRC
[19:56:27] <XXCoder> cnc machinist
[19:56:42] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I was busy full time job before :P
[19:56:44] <XXCoder> intern
[19:57:38] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Any noteworthy machines you'll get to pilot?
[19:57:58] <XXCoder> thet got bunch of machines
[19:58:01] <XXCoder> 25 I guess?
[19:58:22] <FinboySlick> Well, I assumed as much. I was wondering which you thought were most interesting.
[19:58:26] <XXCoder> one ahs over 50 tools, one has auto loader, one is over 120 inch long 10'
[20:07:40] <XXCoder> reading new employee stuff
[20:07:57] <XXCoder> only shattuck can take off lockouts for machines
[20:08:12] <XXCoder> so if your machine is locked out you're shat out of tuck :P
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[20:10:15] <Cromaglious_> ugh waiting for makercam to generate some g code
[20:10:26] <XXCoder> wait is fun
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[20:15:49] <XXCoder> hey tjtr33
[20:15:53] <XXCoder> I got job :)]
[20:16:48] <Cromaglious_> yea!!!
[20:17:22] <Rab> XXCoder, congrats!
[20:17:34] <Cromaglious_> oh that's why.. material at 0 and cut is at 0.25 will give you a M5,M30 file... -0.25 actually works
[20:18:44] <XXCoder> thanks
[20:19:40] <andypugh> zeeshan: Yes, I made the splines.
[20:22:15] <tjtr33> warning , those HP dc7800 SFF are waste of money & time. turned off everything disable-able in bios, tried idle=poll, isolcpus=1, combos of thos, and simply moving the mouse gets > 70000 base thread latency. dont even think of a flash video.
[20:22:48] <tjtr33> a usb mouse is slighlty BETTER than ps2
[20:23:05] <XXCoder> tjtr33: ps2 uses actual cpu INT
[20:23:12] <XXCoder> so it interrupts cpu
[20:23:14] <XXCoder> usb does not
[20:23:51] <andypugh> zeeshan: A slightly crazy setup: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5611904480713910226
[20:23:56] <tjtr33> ok 69xxx latency with usb mouse
[20:24:13] <XXCoder> tjtr33: try ps2 mouse, keep moving it while latency
[20:24:16] <XXCoder> it will be worse
[20:24:26] <andypugh> It’s what Machinerys Handbook calls an “Automotive Spline” which you can cut with the corner of an end-mill.
[20:24:42] <tjtr33> i didnt explain well, its crap with either
[20:24:44] <XXCoder> andypugh: its making ball screw?
[20:25:20] <andypugh> No, just putting the right end on a ballscrew
[20:25:26] <XXCoder> ahh
[20:25:32] <XXCoder> wonder how tough it is to make one
[20:25:32] <Rab> tjtr33, using SATA HDD?
[20:25:37] <tjtr33> yes
[20:27:39] <Cromaglious_> fsck'n Mach3... using makercam code Radius to end of arc differs from to start
[20:27:50] <XXCoder> Nimoy, or guy who acts Spock died
[20:27:57] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Could grind your own with a cnc lathe grinder
[20:28:30] <Cromaglious_> Lenny Nimoy
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[20:28:39] <Rab> tjtr33, the one I ordered will be here soon enough; I'll try to correlate your experience.
[20:28:58] <Cromaglious_> Damn! first De then Monty now Lenny
[20:29:21] <tjtr33> sorry bout that, i think its a waste of money and time, this morning it was over 250000 with no chgs, just running it in
[20:29:38] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah too bad no lathe here lol
[20:29:56] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: are those the $40 ebay specials?
[20:30:10] <tjtr33> yes, want one? cheap!
[20:30:22] <XXCoder> that looks like 6 feet for $40
[20:30:28] <XXCoder> cheap
[20:30:30] <tjtr33> we cannot have video ( and evil gl ) on same box
[20:30:31] <CaptHindsight> heh, friends don't let friends use Intel
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[20:30:47] <Rab> Somebody--ssi?--bought like a dozen of them, it'll be interesting to see what he has to say.
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[20:36:31] <ssi> what'd I buy?
[20:36:59] <Rab> Those $39 eBay computers?
[20:37:02] <ssi> oh
[20:37:04] <ssi> I bought two
[20:37:06] <ssi> not a dozen :)
[20:37:17] <Rab> Probably someone else.
[20:37:24] <furrywolf> anyone here have experience with intermodal shipping?
[20:37:25] <Rab> Have you had a chance to test them?
[20:37:26] <Connor> $39.00 ebay computers?
[20:37:27] <ssi> jymmm was gonna buy a bunch
[20:37:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572 these?
[20:37:31] <ssi> no, not yet
[20:37:49] <ssi> yep
[20:37:51] <Rab> CaptHindsight, yep.
[20:38:51] <CaptHindsight> what chipset is in that box?
[20:39:09] <CaptHindsight> the cpu http://ark.intel.com/products/30783/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E6550-4M-Cache-2_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB
[20:39:13] <furrywolf> I need to figure out how to get a large amount of my relative's stuff from NJ to CA... I could drive a u-haul, but that's a lot of work, and they want $3000 for the rental and it'd cost $1000 in gas... wondering if I could buy a 20ft container, pack it all in there, and have the container shipped here.
[20:39:28] <CaptHindsight> yup
[20:39:40] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how large is it?
[20:39:53] <XXCoder> maybe get cheap trailer if small enough
[20:40:02] <XXCoder> it probably will be ruined by end but hey $300
[20:40:03] <pcw_home> If you have 250000 latency you probably still have power management/fan control on
[20:40:06] <furrywolf> XXCoder: we could fit it all in a 20ft container easily, at least the portion we're keeping...
[20:40:43] <CaptHindsight> maybe the BIOS is broken, you turn of power management and it doesn't turn off
[20:41:41] <pcw_home> Should not really matter with the correct kernel settings
[20:42:38] <tjtr33> pcw_home, theres no 'turn off' in bios, there is a 'progress bar' where you can raise or lower the fan manually. you HEAR it, it tried off & i tried max and middle. still crazy numbers triggerd by sizing window or moving mouse
[20:42:58] <Jymmm> ssi: Ii bit the bullet on one, ETA Wednesday
[20:43:03] <ssi> cool
[20:43:07] <pcw_home> what os/kernel
[20:43:18] <tjtr33> debian wheezy pae....
[20:43:41] <tjtr33> another machine have to go look
[20:49:32] <unfies> btw, just for a cute note - don't trust ark - intel. it lies frequently :D
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[20:50:22] <tjtr33> screenshot of uname -a and latency http://ibin.co/1t8PZw8ml232
[20:51:22] <CaptHindsight> unfies: that is Intel
[20:51:56] <CaptHindsight> well not Lies, more untruthy
[20:52:40] <tjtr33> Linux HP 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[20:57:29] <pcw_home> http://ibin.co/1t8Rw3SYCj6c
[20:57:31] <pcw_home> similar vintage core duo running preemt-rt (and you tube videos)
[20:57:51] <XXCoder> http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/what-like-see-a-hundred-million-colors.html interesting
[20:59:42] <pcw_home> The stock Wheezy RTAI kernel also sucks on my (gen 2 I5) laptop but a current Preemt-RT kernel is much better
[21:00:48] <tjtr33> pcw_home, what i read about and buy never does what people say. i am cursed or, people do not test as hard as I do or some possibilty i have not thought of in the dozens of machines i have bought and tried.
[21:00:58] <tjtr33> i am begiining to become a disbeliever
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[21:02:05] <tjtr33> whatever, i suggest people do not buy these things, till others give thier reports
[21:03:25] <ssi> I'll try to make some progress on mine this weekend
[21:03:30] <ssi> if I don't get nascar'd to death :(
[21:03:41] <tjtr33> thx
[21:06:37] <furrywolf> ... nascared to death?
[21:06:42] <ssi> yeah
[21:06:45] <ssi> the race is this weekend
[21:06:53] <ssi> and I live basically at the racetrack
[21:06:56] <ssi> so it's hell weekend for me
[21:07:11] <ssi> the landlord lets people park RVs all around our hangars for like $150 for the weekend
[21:07:13] <furrywolf> seems like a good reason to move!
[21:07:17] <ssi> and usually he parks them in front of my hangars
[21:07:32] <ssi> which would make it difficult for me to get out there to work on machines
[21:08:42] <ssi> I'm certainly willing to move, if I can find a place where I can put four airplanes and a cnc machine shop with an adequate airstrip and a place to live
[21:08:45] <ssi> for as cheap
[21:08:52] <ssi> until then, one weekend a year is tolerable
[21:09:10] <XXCoder> can car IAC be cleaned by trottle body cleaner?
[21:09:21] <ssi> prolly
[21:12:51] <XXCoder> thanks. I guess ill start with trottle body, more complete cleaning
[21:12:57] <XXCoder> then iac then finally egr
[21:13:00] <furrywolf> what are you trying to fix?
[21:13:13] <XXCoder> tomorrow all day on new termostat which is nightmare for nissan quest
[21:13:38] <XXCoder> furrywolf: stinky mpg and rough idle when warmed up (whioch is rare since it can't really warm up)
[21:13:44] <XXCoder> also, egr underflow error
[21:14:16] <furrywolf> make sure your egr sensors are in good condition
[21:14:22] <furrywolf> is the idle rough but at the proper speed?
[21:14:29] <XXCoder> more or less yeah
[21:14:42] <XXCoder> feels like air control is unsteady
[21:14:56] <XXCoder> causes cyl to semi-misfire
[21:14:58] <furrywolf> probably not iac...
[21:15:06] <XXCoder> but once moving, smooth
[21:15:45] <furrywolf> iac problems tend to show up as random stalling or idling at wrong rpm, not idling at right rpm but roughly. (unless it's a volvo, in which case it should be crushed into a cube, as the volvos with that problem aren't worth fixing)
[21:15:51] <XXCoder> it happens only when warmed, AND in idle but not when park mode
[21:16:16] <XXCoder> actually may be bit unsteady with rpm
[21:16:33] <XXCoder> quest is bit tough as well as clean it up anyway as its bit common issue
[21:16:41] <XXCoder> egr is VERY common for those too.
[21:16:53] <furrywolf> egr is very common on everything. it's an evil technology.
[21:16:59] <XXCoder> lol yea
[21:17:22] <XXCoder> well going now. plan to remove trottle body and clean it and same time egr inside part
[21:17:28] <XXCoder> thanks
[21:18:16] <furrywolf> check normal tuneup tasks, like spark plugs good, oxygen sensors good (will need obdii reader that does graphs, or an oscilloscope), fuel pressure good, no vacuum leaks, pcv valve good, etc.
[21:21:03] <furrywolf> stuck open egr, egr gasket bad, egr sensor bad can do it too, as can a bad intake gasket or similar issues.
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[21:26:33] <furrywolf> so no one here has ever tried intermodal shipping?
[21:29:14] <tjtr33> had to google it, you mean ship to train to truck to site? yes, but the office handled it :)
[21:29:46] <furrywolf> yes, that's what I mean.
[21:30:19] <furrywolf> trying to move most of a small house from NJ to CA... was wondering how much it would cost to buy a 20ft container, pack it tight, and have it shipped truck-rail-truck to here.
[21:30:39] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what the gross weight of the items?
[21:31:13] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: whatever two bedroom sets, dining room table and chairs, lamps, a china cabinet and china, etc weighs. typical household items...
[21:31:53] <furrywolf> probably less than the tare of the container, for sure. :)
[21:32:04] <furrywolf> but bulky stuff
[21:32:29] <Cromaglious_> and when get here you'll have a really nice shed
[21:32:35] <furrywolf> yep!
[21:32:38] <CaptHindsight> being NJ you should be able to find a container for cheap
[21:32:41] <furrywolf> yep.
[21:32:50] <tjtr33> heh interweb is so smart 'what does my household weigh?" has loads of hits
[21:33:16] <CaptHindsight> the cost for transport is going to be ~$1k
[21:33:20] <furrywolf> it's the freight quote that's hard... most of the places I'm finding online explicitly say they don't deal with individuals, and those that don't all seem to be about having a representative contact you to see how they can handle your business logistics needs, etc.
[21:33:23] <CaptHindsight> plus insurance and fuel
[21:34:19] <Cromaglious_> now the hard part is actually getting an intermodal company to take you container
[21:34:38] <CaptHindsight> there are lots
[21:34:41] <SpeedEvil> it's probably cheaper to ship it to china, and back.
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[21:35:27] <furrywolf> u-haul will ship 16ft x 7.5ft x 5ft for $2600... but then we wouldn't get to buy a cheap container at the same time.
[21:35:30] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what are the 2 zip codes?
[21:35:44] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I guess the Jeep can't pull a container :)
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[21:35:58] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: it can, but I already took it across the country once. that's enough.
[21:36:02] <Cromaglious_> depends on the jeep...
[21:36:51] <furrywolf> the jeep would have no problem. it's the driver that doesn't like doing it. lol
[21:36:53] <tjtr33> the container idea maybe crippling you. a large box on a skid can be partial load, and maybe be cheaper cuz the trucker doesnt want to go back home empty. i sue online bid sites for such.
[21:37:03] <furrywolf> I'd need to hook the airbrake stuff back up too.
[21:37:29] <Cromaglious_> 20' container tares at what 6K?
[21:37:46] <furrywolf> (wouldn't want to tow anything larger than a utility trailer with nothing but the stock 4-wheel drum brakes... so would want a trailer with electric or air brakes)
[21:37:46] <CaptHindsight> or a few skids, but I think he like the idea of getting a container out of this
[21:37:53] <furrywolf> I think the one at work says 5400 on the side.
[21:38:00] <tjtr33> oh a beach house?
[21:38:18] <furrywolf> yes. containers here are STUPIDLY FUCKING OVERPRICED. beat-to-shit leaky 20-footers for $3000...
[21:39:20] <Cromaglious_> well a 20' container on a trailer with a household inside is gonna gross out over 10K#
[21:39:36] <furrywolf> the jeep could pull a semitrailer on a dolly, but the speed uphill would be a bit slow... the jeep is slow to start with...
[21:41:16] <SpeedEvil> 12MPH is not slow.
[21:41:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:42:12] <furrywolf> it has a design top speed of 55mph, and that's with the pedal down. lol
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[21:43:35] <Cromaglious_> I've pulled a 17K trailer with a 3/4 ton silverado chevy pickup it had an electric brake controller.
[21:43:50] <Cromaglious_> yeah 3K over max
[21:44:06] <furrywolf> I have a 1.5ton truck, with electric brake controller, and (if I hook it all back up) air brake control.
[21:44:18] <Cromaglious_> we've replaced the axles on the trailer 3 times over the last 10 years
[21:44:30] <tjtr33> XXCoder, just scrolled back, congratulations!
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[21:46:29] <furrywolf> I even installed one of the fancy electric controllers that works off hydraulic line pressure from the brake master, not one of those annoying accelerometer ones. :)
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[21:49:27] <furrywolf> rather than trying to guess how hard you want to be braking, it gives you precise control matching the tow vehicle's brakes.
[21:50:03] <furrywolf> hrmm, penske is a LOT cheaper than u-haul.
[21:50:14] <furrywolf> over $1000 cheaper
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[21:51:00] <furrywolf> $1500 for a penske 16ft vs $2500 for a u-haul 15ft.
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[21:52:26] <furrywolf> hrmm, where can you rent a truck with a manual? driving across country with an automatic is going to suck...
[21:53:04] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Got your Class A/B ?
[21:53:59] <furrywolf> no
[21:54:38] <Jymmm> Those are the only manual I can think of.
[21:54:41] <furrywolf> budget, despite the name, is only marginally cheaper than u-haul, and $900 more than penske...
[21:55:25] <furrywolf> I rented a u-haul with a manual around 1998 or so... lol
[21:56:56] <furrywolf> was a piece of crap. about half the warning lights on the dash were on, the air suspension didn't inflate, engine had a hard time going up gentle slopes... I think it was at the end of its service life.
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[22:02:50] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:05:18] <zeeshan-mill> hi
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[22:08:17] <bobo_> Hi zeeshan
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[22:09:56] <zeeshan-mill> :)
[22:10:00] <zeeshan-mill> i got the fitting
[22:10:03] <zeeshan-mill> testing out my horziontal drawbar
[22:10:09] <bobo_> euro hyd fittings suck ! as far as north america sourceing
[22:10:35] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[22:10:36] <zeeshan-mill> yea
[22:10:39] <zeeshan-mill> guess what
[22:10:42] <zeeshan-mill> im givign this thing about 100 lb
[22:10:44] <zeeshan-mill> with prybar
[22:10:46] <zeeshan-mill> and it doesnt move
[22:10:54] <zeeshan-mill> so i guess horizontal drawbar is good
[22:12:33] <bobo_> pry bar is bobo way . make up a real tester ------I dare you
[22:12:53] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[22:12:54] <furrywolf> bbl
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[22:20:35] <ssi> ugh my math is so rusty
[22:21:17] <Topy44> hi
[22:21:37] <XXCoder> tjtr33: thanks
[22:21:39] <XXCoder> hot damn
[22:21:52] <XXCoder> van trottle is fracking dirty
[22:22:09] <Topy44> quick question... is it possible to reverse linuxcnc's coordinate system for the Y axis? so that 0 is at the top left instead of bottom left
[22:22:44] <cradek> why do you think you want that? every cnc machine in the world is a right-handed coordinate system
[22:23:08] <cradek> (you can set up your machine like that, but the preview in AXIS will be the normal way)
[22:23:14] <Topy44> yeah, except... ours. :) specifically we are using linuxcnc to control a laser cutter, and we are using the lasersaur web frontend
[22:23:14] <XXCoder> I wish I can fracking remember which way is postive lol
[22:23:16] <XXCoder> I cant
[22:23:18] <zeeshan-mill> ssi what math
[22:23:23] <Topy44> which has 0 at the top left
[22:23:31] <zeeshan-mill> anyone know how the heck to stop ubuntu from bugging me
[22:23:35] <zeeshan-mill> everytime i connect to wifi
[22:23:38] <zeeshan-mill> it wants a bloody keyring
[22:23:40] <zeeshan-mill> like fuck off
[22:23:40] <ssi> zeeshan-mill: calculating the e-field of a charged disk :)
[22:23:43] <ssi> it's a 2d integral
[22:23:50] <zeeshan-mill> got the integral?
[22:23:51] <cradek> you can set up your axis directions however you want
[22:23:57] <ssi> working on it
[22:24:03] <Topy44> it works fine, but it means that we need to mirror the images when loading them into the frontend and they appear mirrored in the web frontend
[22:24:13] <Topy44> (but correct once they get into linuxcnc)
[22:24:19] <cradek> yeah :-/
[22:24:47] <Topy44> i know i can just invert the axis, but then the preview in axis will be mirrored
[22:25:28] <bobo_> zeeshan : http://adaptall.com/ ------ hyd stuff euro to other world conversion
[22:25:35] <cradek> yep unless you hack AXIS to be backwards
[22:25:46] <cradek> there's certainly no option for it, but you have the source
[22:25:58] <Topy44> yes of course, i was just wondering if there was some existing way to do it
[22:26:03] <cradek> nope, sorry
[22:26:16] <ssi> cradek: I ran into an issue on gantry machines where I incorrectly set the DISPLAY param to XYYZ, and it was doubling the Y preview area
[22:26:22] <zeeshan-mill> bobo i went to fluidline
[22:26:24] <ssi> I dont' suppose you could do something crazy like X-YZ
[22:26:28] <ssi> that'd be way too conveninet
[22:26:40] <ssi> DISPLAY GEOMETRY rather, something like that
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[22:26:48] <Topy44> hm
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[22:28:09] <Topy44> btw, anyone ever used "graster" or such to do laser engraving with linuxcnc?
[22:28:41] <ssi> I had laser engraving working in linuxcnc
[22:28:43] <ssi> but i didn't do a ton of it
[22:28:58] <XXCoder> lots white virus http://forum.xda-developers.com/
[22:29:00] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:29:08] <Topy44> how did you do it? using graster?
[22:29:31] <ssi> https://github.com/ianmcmahon/linuxcnc_configs/tree/master/laser
[22:29:32] <ssi> have at it
[22:29:51] <ssi> I cargoculted the engraving stuff from someone else
[22:29:58] <Topy44> thanks, i'll check it out
[22:33:28] <XXCoder> graser
[22:37:43] <bobo_> XXCoder : congts on the job
[22:37:48] <XXCoder> thanks
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[23:06:48] <dgarr> tjtr33: my latency results for an hp 7800 (ebay purhase 8 mo ago), these measurements today http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/7800/
[23:09:06] <tjtr33> dgarr, thx, now please PLEASE walk me thru what i amdoinf wrong. i will collect every bois setting, every service i stopped, very grub line and get them where you can look.
[23:09:16] <tjtr33> its great to know its that good for you
[23:09:41] <tjtr33> getting data now, will take a while
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[23:11:48] <PCW> still relatively terrible (I wonder how much cache size is related, the E8500 has 6M cache)
[23:17:03] <tjtr33> dgarr, had to finish up an email but i did notoce there was an entry for same machine in wiki latency pages. and i get nothing li9ke those readings
[23:17:51] <tjtr33> i DO see that theres a 'overcurrent on usb 6' so mayeb have an issue there ( despite usb irqs disabled )
[23:18:29] <tjtr33> PCW i dont know how to interpret the cache differences, thx
[23:19:09] <tjtr33> the wiki page said the user turned off audio, you cant, you can only disable the irq
[23:19:21] <tjtr33> ( not sure the 2 are equiv )
[23:19:24] <PCW> My impression after changing CPUs is that the CPU cache make a big difference in latency
[23:19:40] <PCW> might also be a different BIOS version
[23:19:44] <tjtr33> ok, well i cant unplug it ;)
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[23:20:02] <tjtr33> oh, cant find u/g for nios yet
[23:20:07] <tjtr33> bios
[23:20:41] <CaptHindsight> PCW: http://diy3dprinting.blogspot.com/2014/05/openexposer-low-cost-open-source-sla-3d.html
[23:21:09] <renesis> sla is sex
[23:22:05] <PCW> Dell has BIOS images
[23:22:43] <CaptHindsight> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FSoL4FmBFUw/U4ZE6FBlLII/AAAAAAAAEV4/_5d4fRNyvyk/s1600/openexposer+diy+sla+3d+printer+2.JPG spinning laser printer mirror
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[23:34:01] <dgarr> tjtr33: no idea, i don't think i did anything in the bios settings, put some photos of bios settins with the other stuff . it is odd that isolcpus=1 hurts with the rrtai on that machine, helps with the rt-preempt kernel
[23:36:18] <tjtr33> dgarr, sorry off at other machine.
[23:36:35] <tjtr33> dgarr will do.
[23:36:41] <tjtr33> thx!
[23:49:57] <Topy44> hm... i want to write a userspace component that, among other things, turns on the exhaust system
[23:50:27] <Topy44> what would be the proper way to integrate this?
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[23:50:49] <Topy44> when i click "run" i want it to call the command that turns on the exhaust, wait a few seconds, and then start the job
[23:51:05] <Topy44> and send the command to stop it again after the job has finished or been cancelled
[23:52:34] <furrywolf> grrr. the new battery charger I got showed up in the mail... despite the manual clearly giving dimensions smaller than the charger it's replacing, it is, in fact, larger.
[23:54:57] <tjtr33> dgarr, using latency-test vs latency-histogram ( same stimulus, 4x glxgears, 1 of which is max'd then restored ) http://ibin.co/1t9HoYEb2dQz http://ibin.co/1t9J8fGIWxaY the 2 measures dont agree
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[23:55:18] <tjtr33> dgarr, will now collect the dtaa i said i would ( was midstream b4 )
[23:57:11] <tjtr33> hmm how to screenshot bios sreens, camera or paper :)
[23:58:16] <Topy44> a "job running" hal pin would be a good start
[23:58:46] <furrywolf> The manual says it's 5.75" x 3.5" x 2". my tape measure says it's 6.25" x 3.75" x 2.75".
[23:59:02] <furrywolf> I am so so stupidly fucking sick of chinese products. this is even a major brand!
[23:59:29] <CaptHindsight> chinese inches?
[23:59:43] <dgarr> maybe Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz vs Pentium Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00 GHz
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