#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-26

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[00:00:14] <anarchos3> hmm, the distance from the centre of my shaft to the bottom of the moving table is 1.75"
[00:01:01] <anarchos3> so if i draw an arc with a radius of 1.75 and then an arc with a radius of 2.5 (shaft to top of stationary table is 2.5), i think i can do it
[00:04:58] <Cromaglious> hmmm MemRealloc isn't in /usr/include/*
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[00:11:40] <tjtr33> anarchos, what angular resolution do you try for?
[00:12:59] <tjtr33> with steppers and belts, it crude. with HD or worm it can be high even with steppers. simplest in some ways is encoder and servo
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[00:13:40] <_methods> does anyone sell a good servo kit? or are you better off just piecing it all together?
[00:14:06] <ssi> I haven't found any good small servos that you can buy reliably
[00:14:17] <ssi> if you want like 1kw servos, there are kits out there for $1500/axis or so
[00:14:39] <ssi> but no inexpensive NEMA23-sized servo kits that I've found
[00:14:42] <_methods> yeah i was trying to find small
[00:14:45] <_methods> that sux
[00:15:03] <_methods> i guess i'll just slowly piece it all together
[00:15:24] <_methods> just watch ebay
[00:15:50] <ssi> that's how I do it
[00:15:52] <_methods> are these electrocraft servos any good?
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[00:17:10] <_methods> looks like nema42's seem to be common
[00:18:10] <anarchos> i have never used them, but ive read good stuff abotu DMM servos
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[00:19:02] <anarchos> tjtr33: I'm thinking 180, or even a bit more
[00:19:05] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST went with DMM servos on both my machines hehe
[00:19:51] <anarchos> http://www.dmm-tech.com/multiaxissolutions2.html
[00:20:07] <_methods> did you buy a full kit PetefromTn_
[00:20:18] <anarchos> according to cncfusion forums you can just call them and they'll set you up with a kit of whatever size you need
[00:20:32] <Praesmeodymium-l> hmm maybe I cant afford this hobby yet lol
[00:21:02] <_methods> servos are just silly expensive this hobby isn't bad as long as you stick to steppers
[00:21:27] <PetefromTn_> I didn't buy anything from them actually but I was torn between those and the Teco motors and drives. their price came in slightly higher plus Canadian to US shipping so I went with Machmotion and the Teco stuff..
[00:21:45] <anarchos> canadian dollar is tanking, so might be cheaper these days
[00:21:50] <_methods> and you bought a full kit right?
[00:21:54] <_methods> would you do it again?
[00:23:15] <PetefromTn_> who?
[00:23:29] <_methods> you
[00:24:01] <PetefromTn_> I just said I did not wind up buying anything from DMM but I almost did.
[00:24:08] <_methods> no the teco kit
[00:24:19] <_methods> that's what you got right
[00:24:19] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah they are pretty damn nice so far...
[00:24:27] <_methods> so you're happy with it then
[00:24:34] <PetefromTn_> There is no such thing as a kit from them
[00:24:39] <_methods> ahh
[00:24:42] <PetefromTn_> but I did buy matched motors and servo drives
[00:24:55] <PetefromTn_> and they were ordered complete with premade cables and ends
[00:25:03] <_methods> sounds like a kit to me lol
[00:25:09] <ssi> lol
[00:25:11] <PetefromTn_> and they sort of pre-tune them so it works for MOST stuff
[00:25:21] <_methods> how much was all that?
[00:25:23] <PetefromTn_> Okay then I guess it was a kit then
[00:25:29] <PetefromTn_> about $1k per axis
[00:25:30] <_methods> how many motors and drivers?
[00:25:49] <PetefromTn_> 3 axes
[00:25:50] <ssi> 1 per axis :P
[00:25:53] <_methods> hehe
[00:25:55] <_methods> k
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[00:26:44] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I did wrong Is I should have waited until they got the larger Z motor in stock but I was impatient as usual.
[00:26:45] <anarchos> i like the idea of DMMs Dyn4 driver. AC110-220 input, 1 or 3 phase, so basically just hook it up to the mains, no PSU
[00:27:06] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-SERVO-1KW-750W-3-AXIS-KIT-DRIVER-MOTOR-MR-J2S-70A-CNC-ROUTER-WORKING-/281130058356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4174a84274
[00:27:16] <PetefromTn_> that DMM drive is what I was looking at actually as I recall.
[00:27:40] <XXCoder> heys
[00:27:49] <PetefromTn_> thats a good deal but those are used parts
[00:28:13] <XXCoder> nemo motors?
[00:28:17] <XXCoder> if so looks big
[00:28:46] <_methods> yeah i can live with used
[00:28:55] <_methods> i just want to play with servos
[00:29:17] <PetefromTn_> if I wanted used I would have just kept the ones that were in the machine...
[00:29:30] <XXCoder> even low usage?
[00:29:58] <PetefromTn_> how are you going to determine what low usage means?
[00:30:00] <_methods> yeah you're in a diff situation you need yours to work lol
[00:30:05] <_methods> i'm just playing
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[00:30:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh then disregard ;)
[00:30:23] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: hmm when guy states that I guess
[00:30:34] <XXCoder> dunno if would be truthful though lol
[00:30:49] <_methods> i would buy new too if i needed functional 100%
[00:30:58] <PetefromTn_> just playing I would do steppers but I think people underestimate the TOTAL costs of steppers to servos a lot..
[00:31:11] <ssi> those mitsu servos would run a pretty big machine
[00:31:15] <_methods> yeah
[00:31:22] <PetefromTn_> those servos would run my machine actually
[00:31:31] <ssi> yep
[00:31:37] <_methods> i will probably run my plasma on those
[00:31:39] <XXCoder> ricious overkill for my machine
[00:31:49] <ssi> I wouldn't use anything near that big on a plasma
[00:31:56] <PetefromTn_> depending on the NM ratings
[00:31:57] <_methods> plasma router
[00:32:11] <ssi> how does one route plasma
[00:32:19] <_methods> hahah attach router to z axis
[00:32:23] <PetefromTn_> my motors are all 1kw
[00:32:31] <Cromaglious> ugh not getting solvespace to compile
[00:32:39] <ssi> plasma/router is a crappy combination
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[00:32:45] <ssi> you're much better off with two tables
[00:32:51] <_methods> not as bad as a waterjet plasma lol
[00:32:51] <XXCoder> dual head plama/router cne lol
[00:33:00] <ssi> actually waterjet plasma sounds better
[00:33:03] <_methods> no
[00:33:06] <_methods> it's horrible
[00:33:08] <ssi> why
[00:33:09] <_methods> trust me
[00:33:11] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure I would agree with that but you have both so I bow to your experience
[00:33:17] <_methods> waterjet mess alllllll over
[00:33:21] <ssi> at least they both have water involved
[00:33:35] <ssi> problem with plasma/router is you really want a water table for plasma
[00:33:42] <ssi> and water and mdf don't mix :)
[00:33:50] <_methods> no doubt
[00:33:53] <XXCoder> router dont have to be mdf
[00:34:04] <ssi> no, but mdf is a common thing to route
[00:34:09] <PetefromTn_> if I ever build a big table it will undoubtably be both a CNC router and plasma table
[00:34:16] <ssi> furthermore, routers like to have vacuum beds
[00:34:23] <ssi> so you have these two very drastically different beds
[00:34:26] <XXCoder> vacuum ugh
[00:34:29] <XXCoder> I hte those
[00:34:37] <ssi> and swapping them out is 90% of the pain in the ass of just having two machines
[00:34:42] <XXCoder> clamps is king
[00:34:50] <ssi> if you absolutely had to do that, I'd say make a motion frame that sits on top of a table
[00:35:03] <ssi> then two tables, one water table and one vacuum table
[00:35:08] <ssi> move the motion frame back and forth
[00:35:20] <ssi> that's the "I have the space for two machines but I'm too much a brokeass to build two machines" plan
[00:35:20] <Praesmeodymium-l> any sites with good reading on a diy aluminum router/mill?
[00:35:42] <_methods> cnczone?
[00:35:45] <malcom2073> Praesmeodymium-l: cnczone has a bunch of decent topics on that
[00:35:46] <ssi> and after about a month of swapping htem back and forth you'll find the money to build a second motion frame :)
[00:35:48] <_methods> plenty of buildlogs there
[00:35:51] <malcom2073> What size, and what are you looking to cut with it?
[00:36:06] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium-l: look for "cnc 8020:" for good ideas too
[00:36:13] <XXCoder> it uses 8020 beams
[00:36:15] <ssi> and is it a router made of aluminum, or something with which to route aluminum?
[00:36:15] <Cromaglious> I'm seeing the virtue of having a slant bed router/plasma.. with the bed at 60 degrees against a wall
[00:36:25] <tjtr33> made of aluminum or able to cut aluminum?
[00:36:34] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: how do it hold water
[00:36:37] <ssi> Cromaglious: stuck with downdraft exhaust in that case
[00:36:42] <ssi> unless you can make a slant-bed water table somehow :D
[00:36:49] <ssi> spin the whole thing in a centrifuge I guess
[00:36:52] <malcom2073> ssi: Centrifugal tube!
[00:36:55] <malcom2073> have the whole room spin
[00:36:58] <Praesmeodymium-l> I was looking at cutting aluminum was the theory dependng on price to get there for a relatively small build
[00:36:59] <ssi> there ya go
[00:37:18] <tjtr33> steel framed machine to cut alum
[00:37:32] <Cromaglious> in a trough on the floor... back against the wall is metal
[00:37:35] <XXCoder> tjtr33: actually alum frame cnc can cut alum
[00:37:48] <Praesmeodymium-l> I saw the shapeoko cut aluminum and thought... thats not good enough in any way shape or form
[00:38:16] <tjtr33> XXCoder, opinions and viewpoint, I would not do it.
[00:38:27] <ssi> cheapers gonna cheap
[00:38:33] <Cromaglious> make it easy to tilt a vacuum/router table onto wheels and roll it away
[00:38:35] <XXCoder> possibky, depends on some factors
[00:38:37] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-200W-AC-SERVO-DRIVER-MOTOR-MR-J2S-20A-HC-KFS23-3-AXIS-CNC-PACKAGE-3-/281136641233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41750cb4d1
[00:38:42] <_methods> that one has 200w servos
[00:38:51] <_methods> i can live with $1200 too
[00:38:53] <XXCoder> 8020 frame to cut reaqlly thick alum? probably not good idea
[00:39:03] <ssi> give it a shot
[00:39:11] <ssi> XXCoder: thickness doesn't matter
[00:39:14] <XXCoder> heyy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJuOzobtJAU
[00:39:28] <XXCoder> thats different gantry design thaqt most I saw
[00:39:34] <ssi> a limp machine is going to have to cut slow
[00:39:47] <XXCoder> yea
[00:39:47] <ssi> you can cut aluminum but it'll take a month to make anything significant
[00:39:53] <XXCoder> month not so much
[00:39:55] <tjtr33> you should be able to find 3x400W for 1200$ used
[00:40:20] <ssi> _methods: I had six nice parker 200W nema32 brushless servos but I think I lost them in the fire :(
[00:40:29] <_methods> damn
[00:40:36] <XXCoder> wonder if I could adlopt that design to use umm forgot what those supported rods rails is called
[00:40:39] <XXCoder> sbr?
[00:40:49] <_methods> ok 3- 400w for $1200 is what i should be looking for ?
[00:41:03] <_methods> that would be a "good" deal
[00:41:28] <XXCoder> og guys I got interviww tomorrow, wish me lucjk
[00:41:32] <XXCoder> if I do
[00:41:42] <XXCoder> I will skip wood stage and go stright 8020
[00:41:51] <Cromaglious> do my thoughts are with you! Blessed be!
[00:41:55] <tjtr33> yes look for Yaskawa Panasonic Mitsubishi.
[00:41:58] <Cromaglious> dude my thoughts are with you! Blessed be!
[00:42:08] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Indeed. Break a leg and all that.
[00:42:09] <_methods> kk
[00:42:26] <XXCoder> I'm been an intern for hmm 8 months?
[00:42:37] <XXCoder> its been fun but I need more money
[00:42:44] <XXCoder> cnc machinist work btw
[00:42:47] <Praesmeodymium-l> iirc 3060 will fit sbr20 or sbr25
[00:43:21] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium-l: thanks
[00:43:33] <XXCoder> I has kit sbr20/16/12
[00:43:49] <XXCoder> short 2 foot ones lol and one foot for z (sbr12)
[00:44:05] <Praesmeodymium-l> I do a bit of aliexpress shopping and comparing for the hell of it
[00:44:18] <tjtr33> XXCoder, best luck on interview
[00:44:38] <XXCoder> thanks all
[00:44:57] <Cromaglious> where's Andy! get a letter of recommendation from him
[00:44:58] <Praesmeodymium-l> like how to get the price down on the next printer/lasercutter etc and still make it stiff the way I want because most repraps are a bit wobly and underpowered
[00:45:50] <_methods> a bit?
[00:46:22] <Praesmeodymium-l> mostly window shopping lol
[00:46:33] <malcom2073> Praesmeodymium-l: Used thk rails are a good way to get the price down and rigidity up.
[00:47:38] <Praesmeodymium-l> theres a decent hiwin clone reseller I found a little cheaper than makerslide lol for mgn-12+car
[00:47:41] <ssi> they're hard to find in long lengths
[00:47:48] <XXCoder> ...
[00:47:49] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
[00:47:51] <MacGalempsy> Got over to meet Ben today and pickup the book and PCB for the Pulse EDM
[00:47:53] <XXCoder> bit ricious
[00:47:55] <malcom2073> ssi: I just picked up some 2680's for fairly cheap :)
[00:47:56] <ssi> I hunted for several years to get the rails for my plasma table
[00:48:00] <XXCoder> same time bit copol lol
[00:48:06] <ssi> 2680mm?
[00:48:14] <malcom2073> yeah, combining them with a set of 920's for my table
[00:48:17] <ssi> nice
[00:48:18] <malcom2073> to give me 11.75ft
[00:48:23] <ssi> are there anymore available?
[00:48:35] <malcom2073> Probably not, they were used, cost me $350 for each rail
[00:48:45] <malcom2073> 30mm
[00:48:50] <Praesmeodymium-l> my idea of a huge project was a 1mx1m wood router
[00:48:53] <ssi> yeah they're not cheap at those lenghts
[00:48:59] <malcom2073> Just keep an eye on ebay though
[00:49:00] <ssi> I have 60" rails on mine
[00:49:16] <ssi> the Y pair I got from korea on ebay for like $400 + 150 shipping
[00:49:29] <malcom2073> I got the 4 rails for my 10x5 router for less than $1k all in all
[00:49:31] <ssi> the X rail I found in a surplus shop in CA marked $250, and I negotiated it to 200
[00:49:50] <ssi> I just happened to find it there on teh one trip where I drove out
[00:49:54] <ssi> I wouldn't have been able to fly it home
[00:50:00] <malcom2073> Nice
[00:50:07] <ssi> it was 80" when I got it and I had to cut it :(
[00:50:08] <ssi> broke my heart
[00:50:11] <_methods> put them in a ski bag lol
[00:50:28] <_methods> oh that's just my snowboard lol
[00:50:35] <XXCoder> ssi: bag of holding lol
[00:50:37] <malcom2073> awww heh
[00:50:39] <XXCoder> kidding, that sucks
[00:50:44] <Cromaglious> I want a 9'Y x 5'X x 2'Z with 10'Y x 6'X x 3'Z rails
[00:51:02] <Cromaglious> I want a 9'Y x 5'X x 3'Z with 10'Y x 6'X x 5'Z rails would be better
[00:51:07] <malcom2073> Heh wowza, I plan on my Z being 12" or so, at the most
[00:51:21] <malcom2073> of travel
[00:51:25] <Cromaglious> so plan on 18" of rod
[00:51:40] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, does Ben still use RC timing for pulses? use FETs or have isopulse yet?
[00:51:46] <malcom2073> I have a 12" throw actuator that I'm using, I think it is around 18" of rail
[00:51:56] <XXCoder> I want 4'x8'x1' cnc router space. it means even longer rods and sucj
[00:52:04] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: he has 2 books/boards one RC and one pulse
[00:52:07] <ssi> I'm planning on making the next laser 4x8'
[00:52:18] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, thx
[00:52:20] <ssi> and with 10 or 12" of four-post Z bed travel
[00:52:33] <ssi> and was contemplating something wacky:
[00:52:35] <MacGalempsy> once this thing comes close to being done, he's going to come over to the house for beers
[00:52:54] <ssi> if I individually control each Z post as an axis, I could do a kins which would allow me to tilt the bed
[00:52:57] <ssi> to cut angles
[00:53:13] <zeeshan> hi friends
[00:53:18] <zeeshan> ssi
[00:53:20] <zeeshan> did you say laswer
[00:53:22] <zeeshan> OH NOS
[00:53:22] <Praesmeodymium-l> why so much z? the lenses tend to only come in a couple focal lengths... oh wait I am at the hobbyiest laser level mabe in the ig toy world they comelonger than 4" lenses
[00:53:27] <ssi> i'd have to make gimbaled nut blocks to get a lot of tilt travel
[00:53:40] <XXCoder> ssi: crazy but awesome
[00:53:43] <ssi> I'd like to be able to run an 8" lens
[00:53:53] <ssi> and I think 12" travel would give me room for thick material plus 8" lens
[00:54:13] <XXCoder> that'd make your laser 2.5 dimension
[00:54:16] <Cromaglious> hmm if i made it 8.5' x 4.5" with 10' x 6' of rail I should be able to keep it rather stiff
[00:54:18] <ssi> yusss
[00:54:19] <ssi> sorta
[00:54:33] <Praesmeodymium-l> 8" lens... hmm thats quite the depth
[00:54:36] <ssi> being able to cut a beveled kerf could be really useful
[00:54:51] <Praesmeodymium-l> I have a little china blueox I just got done adding air assist too
[00:54:55] <zeeshan> im operating the laser cutter at school
[00:54:56] <zeeshan> its cool!
[00:55:02] <MacGalempsy> All I asked for was some FRICKIN SHARKS WITH FRICKIN LASERS ON THEIR FRICKIN HEADS!
[00:55:04] <XXCoder> ssi: what about angle and rotation for your laser
[00:55:06] <zeeshan> too bad it cant cut metal
[00:55:07] <XXCoder> easier
[00:55:11] <Cromaglious> HAHA
[00:55:13] <ssi> not easier
[00:55:33] <XXCoder> what would be issue?
[00:55:40] <Praesmeodymium-l> next task is to remove the chna controller and toss a smoothie in it
[00:55:50] <ssi> building something which had DOF in the head and actually still got the beam down the path with mirrors
[00:55:58] <ssi> would be very very tricky
[00:56:22] <ssi> but it occurs to me
[00:56:38] <ssi> if I tilt the bed, I'll have to continuously vary the height of the tilted bed to keep the focus constant
[00:56:46] <ssi> the math on that is gonan get stupid hard
[00:57:00] <XXCoder> control mirrors?
[00:57:29] <ssi> ok I guess maybe 5 axis laser isn't feasible for me :)
[00:57:35] <XXCoder> or lens so you can change angle from 0 degree (stright down)
[00:57:39] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, https://videobin.org/+8lo/bgo.html
[00:57:40] <XXCoder> to say 45 angle
[00:57:43] <zeeshan> just get a robotic arm
[00:57:44] <zeeshan> :D
[00:57:52] <zeeshan> give it a laser
[00:57:57] <XXCoder> you just need one dimension angle change
[00:58:01] <ssi> fiber laser would make this stuff easy
[00:58:02] <XXCoder> then you add rotation
[00:58:03] <ssi> but co2 not so much
[00:58:19] <Praesmeodymium-l> every interface is both a loss of power and a consumable point lasers eat the lenses and mirrors over time through various processes
[00:58:50] <XXCoder> I remember reading about using cd to make mirrors
[00:58:57] <XXCoder> probably low pwer laser
[00:59:10] <Praesmeodymium-l> or the hd paltter
[00:59:14] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[00:59:17] <XXCoder> youre righ
[00:59:27] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: awesome video. is that yours?
[01:00:12] <tjtr33> yeah, all linuxcnc and HAL
[01:00:20] <zeeshan> tjtr33: nice!
[01:00:30] <tjtr33> sanuk dii! its fun
[01:00:36] <Praesmeodymium-l> yeah too bad fier hasnt come dwon that would cetainly make wood/plastic laser cutters much easier and more useful
[01:01:01] <XXCoder> fiber cant carry co2 laser?
[01:01:10] <XXCoder> or just too pricy?
[01:01:31] <ssi> fiber lasers are yags usually I think
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[01:01:41] <XXCoder> yags?
[01:01:48] <ssi> er nm, it's a different thing
[01:02:01] <zeeshan> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8682/16647873022_99a9fc64f7_c.jpg
[01:02:04] <zeeshan> CNC kart!
[01:02:07] <zeeshan> i need one for the lathe like this
[01:02:14] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: once I get this power supply built, and the Frame built, I will likely be hitting you up for info
[01:02:15] <ssi> I need to make some stuff like that too
[01:02:40] <_methods> yes yag
[01:02:46] <_methods> for fiber
[01:03:17] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, its simple, i use a window comparator to decide 3 states. move fwd, move bwd , or dontmoveatall.
[01:03:28] <_methods> yttrium a something gallium or something like that
[01:03:33] <_methods> arsenic
[01:03:38] <_methods> i can never remember
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[01:04:16] <_methods> yttrium aluminum garnet lol
[01:04:21] <ssi> lol
[01:04:23] <ssi> NICE TRY
[01:04:28] <ssi> GaAs is another thing :)
[01:04:45] <_methods> neodymium-doped yttrium aluminium garnet; Nd:Y3Al5O12
[01:04:58] <ssi> or Nd:YAG, yes
[01:05:03] <_methods> sounds like some stuff i took at a rave one time
[01:05:11] <tjtr33> Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fanna Bo Besca the Third
[01:08:04] <MacGalempsy> sounds good
[01:10:50] <MacGalempsy> man, Mouser makes it easy to get a BOM put together.
[01:11:05] <XXCoder> oh mouser been a while
[01:12:37] <_methods> https://github.com/monostable/1clickBOM
[01:12:56] <_methods> i love that thing
[01:13:00] <zeeshan> wow
[01:13:03] <zeeshan> that is cool!
[01:13:07] <_methods> hell yeah
[01:13:13] <_methods> makes it easy to compare prices too
[01:13:26] <XXCoder> careful or csi or something will read that as one click boom lol
[01:13:37] <_methods> yeah don't google bom maker lol
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[01:14:19] <XXCoder> interesting plugin though
[01:14:54] <XXCoder> will wait for firefox
[01:14:59] <XXCoder> bom and fire fox :P
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[01:46:11] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: it looks like the pulse EDM power supply is about $400, plus the enclosure and a few odds and ends
[01:49:30] <tjtr33> sounds good fro maybe a 12 amp edm supply, how many amps draw and what resolution for on & off times?
[01:50:24] <tjtr33> i use a 75 amp board, 100Vdc supply, and hal for on & off, so i'm limited to thread period for resolution
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[01:51:11] <tjtr33> i imagine his servo is bang bang too ( up/hold/down )
[01:51:38] <tjtr33> ( bang bang is a control method, not very fancy )
[01:52:13] <tjtr33> i use those parts cuz they're handy ( i hack edm's for a living
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[01:54:20] <tjtr33> use the IR fet series, like IRF650's so they handle the overshoot caused by inductance in the system storing energy
[01:55:00] <tjtr33> he uses current limiting resitors, yes? like 9ohm 3-400W ?
[01:55:49] <MacGalempsy> im still reading up on specs
[01:56:52] <MacGalempsy> if you want, i can email you the spec sheet he sent me
[01:56:59] <MacGalempsy> pm me your email
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[01:59:15] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, thx but i should buy his book if i want that info
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[02:02:12] <tjtr33> btw: i have his original book. nice but not for me
[02:06:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, the fork of solvespace I linked?
[02:06:14] <dirty_d> it doesnt use gtk
[02:07:51] <dirty_d> you have me curious now though
[02:14:16] <tjtr33> Mac check the pm
[02:14:57] <tjtr33> dirty_d, did it build on ubuntu?
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[02:18:34] <dirty_d> tjb11, I havent tried, just on arch
[02:19:22] <tjtr33> thx ( tjtr33 :)
[02:19:23] <dirty_d> ./configure wont work you need LDFLAGS='-lX11 -lGLU -lGL -lfltk -lfltk_gl -lfltk_forms -lfltk_images -lpng' ./configure
[02:20:10] <tjtr33> fltk instead
[02:20:19] <dirty_d> i havent bothered figureing out why it doesn't do that automatically, they all end up in a variable in the Makefile
[02:20:37] <dirty_d> just isnt used
[02:22:17] <dirty_d> can't see what could be wrong with MemRealloc, looks like the only way it would fail is if realloc fails https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace/source/ce77197dac0580247dfb6d6c88ed57bdfae32226:src/fltk/fltkutil.cpp#L90
[02:22:52] <dirty_d> unless there really was no more free memory
[02:24:42] <tjtr33> does it fail MemAlloc() or realloc() ?
[02:25:41] <dirty_d> MacGalempsy, said the error said MemRealloc
[02:25:59] <dirty_d> im guessing from that oops() function
[02:26:48] <tjtr33> i gotta goto another machine, best of luck with solvespace ( modify that func for better err msgs ;)
[02:28:10] <Cromaglious> MemRealloc is defined in a fltk file
[02:28:21] <dirty_d> ohhh, an error compiling?
[02:28:26] <dirty_d> i thought you meant it crashed
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[02:31:04] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[02:31:04] <Cromaglious> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main'
[02:31:04] <Cromaglious> bsp.o: In function `SBsp2::DebugDraw(Vector, double)':
[02:31:04] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/bsp.cpp:670: undefined reference to `glLineWidth'
[02:32:48] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/srf/../dsc.h:161: undefined reference to `MemRealloc(void*, unsigned int)'
[02:32:57] <Cromaglious> I think he's talking about this one
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[02:35:11] <dirty_d> how'd you build it?
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[02:58:51] <XXCoder> anyone ever fixed nissan quest? lol
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[03:01:39] <Cromaglious> I've fixed a bunch of nissans
[03:01:59] <Cromaglious> even some V6's
[03:02:06] <XXCoder> cool
[03:02:14] <XXCoder> just trying to figure how to remove egr
[03:02:37] <Cromaglious> year and engine?
[03:02:38] <XXCoder> its easy to remove, if it wasnt behind and hard to get to lol
[03:02:43] <XXCoder> 1996 nissan quest
[03:02:44] <XXCoder> v6
[03:03:30] <Cromaglious> well maxima EGR wasn't easy to get to either...
[03:03:40] <Cromaglious> I think it's about the same engine
[03:03:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:04:01] <Cromaglious> just gotta do what you gotta do to get to it
[03:04:03] <XXCoder> have to clean it
[03:04:08] <XXCoder> po400
[03:04:28] <XXCoder> or 401 forgot which is which, I had ford contour with exact same issue and just fixed that lol
[03:05:32] <XXCoder> insuffecent flow error
[03:05:37] <Cromaglious> oops you gotta take off the intake and it's a bit different than the Maxima
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[03:07:21] <XXCoder> must take off?
[03:07:24] <XXCoder> how hard is it
[03:07:30] <XXCoder> and require gasket replace?
[03:09:34] <Cromaglious> looking
[03:10:26] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt3MsLREgis
[03:10:34] <XXCoder> villager but more or less same enginbe
[03:10:41] <Cromaglious> PO401 code
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[03:11:32] <Cromaglious> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgfT3kuY8lc
[03:12:02] <anarchos2> hmm, shoulda tested my Y axis before tightening the gibs down....not sure if i fixed the problem, or just can't reproduce it now :P
[03:12:27] <XXCoder> v6 honda isnt same
[03:12:33] <anarchos2> i put a pen in the chuck and have it drawing boxes over and over again, and it seems to be dead nuts now...
[03:12:33] <dirty_d> hmm, autocad360 isnt showing the locked constraint on lines
[03:12:44] <dirty_d> i mean fixed
[03:12:59] <anarchos2> i could only figure out how to contrain to a point
[03:13:04] <anarchos2> in fusion360
[03:13:45] <dirty_d> ahh thats why, you just cant
[03:14:12] <dirty_d> weird, its telling me my sketch os overconstrained when i try to use a symetry constraint
[03:14:37] <dirty_d> its just a box and 2 lines in a + over the origin
[03:14:47] <dirty_d> since you cant select the origin
[03:14:52] <dirty_d> axes
[03:16:07] <Cromaglious> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtBKGs1wEw 96 maxima
[03:16:50] <Cromaglious> VG33E engine?
[03:17:05] <XXCoder> dunno
[03:17:12] <XXCoder> think mines nissan quest gxe
[03:17:42] <XXCoder> that egr isnt same place as mine
[03:17:54] <XXCoder> mines attached to intake manafold at back
[03:18:12] <Cromaglious> 4th VIN digit is engine
[03:18:38] <Cromaglious> checking some more
[03:19:22] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, im confused, were you the one trying to compile solvespace, or someone else?
[03:19:51] <Cromaglious> I'm trying to compile it also
[03:21:15] <dirty_d> theres a problem with Makefile.am i think
[03:21:29] <XXCoder> need to do this also lol http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0996b43f/80/23/0e/32/large/0996b43f80230e32.gif
[03:21:32] <dirty_d> you need to explicitly add libraries when you ./configure
[03:21:33] <XXCoder> so nasty
[03:21:43] <dirty_d> i still have no idea how the hell autoconf and automake work
[03:21:51] <XXCoder> its voodoo
[03:24:08] <renesis> read the gcc manual
[03:24:33] <Cromaglious> 8th digit is engine on 96's W or 1 are both VG30E
[03:26:24] <XXCoder> this is amazing http://maxima.org/forums/4th-generation-maxima-1995-1999/595990-comprehensive-pictures-directons-egr-tube-cleaning-p0400.html
[03:26:31] <XXCoder> too bad m vans not same design
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[03:29:13] <Cromaglious> util.o: In function `CnfFreezeColor(RgbColor, char const*)':
[03:29:13] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/util.cpp:212: undefined reference to `CnfFreezeInt(unsigned int, char const*)'
[03:32:12] <furrywolf> identify which parts are in the way. remove them. reinstall in reverse order.
[03:32:53] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wow thats so detailed lol
[03:33:31] <Cromaglious> I said just gotta do what you gotta do to get to it
[03:33:35] <furrywolf> it's how I work on things. :P
[03:33:40] <XXCoder> yea
[03:33:42] <Cromaglious> ditto
[03:34:01] <XXCoder> I gonna do 3 things for van before I can finally "ship" ford contour to my neice
[03:34:19] <XXCoder> clean egr and its stuff, clean iac, and finally replace termostat
[03:34:27] <XXCoder> van mpg is really tanking now
[03:34:29] <furrywolf> is the first one "actually work on it, instead of watching youtube videos about how to work on it"? :P
[03:34:49] <XXCoder> I prefer to see someone else do it to learn but unfortunately nothing on quest
[03:35:53] <furrywolf> I've only worked on one quest. we decided it wasn't worth fixing. I think someone ended up getting bored and burning it. yay rednecks.
[03:36:27] <XXCoder> quest isnt bad
[03:36:36] <furrywolf> I think I still have one of its relays running the headlights in my jeep. :P
[03:36:42] <XXCoder> one I got had over 20 issues though LOL
[03:36:46] <XXCoder> only 3 now I think
[03:36:56] <XXCoder> organ donor van lol
[03:37:57] <furrywolf> it was beat to hell, and wouldn't run, with no sign of life from the computer. the owner didn't want to buy a manual for it. it ended up getting parted out. and, around here, if you leave a vehicle sitting for too long in some areas, drunk kids burn them...
[03:38:03] <furrywolf> on the riverbar,
[03:38:23] <furrywolf> on the riverbar, "too long" is about five minutes unattended. in town it doesn't tend to ever happen. between... :P
[03:38:35] <XXCoder> jeez
[03:39:24] <XXCoder> my old car toyata camry 1986 was once solen
[03:39:26] <XXCoder> stolen
[03:39:31] <XXCoder> it was found 10 miles away
[03:39:45] <XXCoder> probably was on way to chop shop when they realized how shitty it was
[03:39:49] <Cromaglious> actually watching a youtube video saved me a trip BACK to the autoparts on geting a window motor once
[03:39:52] <XXCoder> it could barely up hulls lol
[03:39:59] <XXCoder> hills
[03:41:32] <Cromaglious> I got caught behind the San Francisco gay pride parade once... My civic wouldn't make it up the hill, clutch...
[03:42:06] <MacGalempsy> my botherinlaw had his 1996 acura integra stolen, it was all riced out. when they recovered it, all it was the chopped chassis on a shit trailer.
[03:42:16] <MacGalempsy> EVERY other part was gone
[03:42:16] <furrywolf> ... people think san francisco has hills. SF has bumps. we have real hills. :P
[03:42:42] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: where are you?
[03:42:48] * furrywolf is glad crom supports said parade
[03:42:53] <furrywolf> far northern california
[03:43:23] <Cromaglious> you get a chance to see the naked dikes on bikes :)
[03:43:36] <Praesmeodymium-l> we get that in portland too
[03:43:42] <Cromaglious> furrywolf lives in the state of Jefferson
[03:44:08] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: my toyata heh I usually sped up before going up hill. But one day I had stopped car at hill so I had to stop. It couldn't go up very fast at all after it. 3 mph. :P
[03:44:10] * furrywolf likes dykes
[03:44:54] <Cromaglious> I have a step daughter who's so inclinded
[03:45:22] <furrywolf> the other day I came across a f-350 diesel with a large cabover camper on the side of the road going up a steep hill. turned out his fuel system sucked air at steep angles. I towed him up the hill in my subaru, didn't even have to slip the clutch.
[03:45:28] <Cromaglious> no CnfFreeze* in /usr/include
[03:45:31] <furrywolf> is she single and good with a strapon? :)
[03:45:57] <Cromaglious> commited, dunno, don't wanna know
[03:46:00] * furrywolf fails to see how people can drive vehicles that have difficulty climbing hills
[03:46:11] <XXCoder> its challenge thats for sure
[03:46:40] <Cromaglious> that night I changed the clutch after I got home
[03:46:43] <XXCoder> my toyata has crappy tranny too so it could sometimes fail to shift so I stay stuck at 35 mph in freeway while I ramp down and up on rpm
[03:46:58] <XXCoder> it fails on 1-2 too
[03:47:00] <furrywolf> eww, automatic.
[03:47:16] <XXCoder> yeah it was real shitty car lol
[03:47:28] <XXCoder> everyone should own shitty car in least once
[03:47:32] <furrywolf> sounds like sticking valve body. electronic or hydraulic shift logic?
[03:47:49] <XXCoder> anyway it lasted 3 years before it got too problemic so I went and got mecury sable 1988
[03:47:52] <XXCoder> damn I loved that one
[03:47:55] <furrywolf> usual fix is to flush the tranny and try various additives.
[03:48:05] <XXCoder> toyata camry I mean lol
[03:48:28] <XXCoder> back then I havent started fixing cars
[03:48:35] <Cromaglious> ahhh it's in fltkmain.cpp
[03:48:41] <XXCoder> mecury sable is when I started
[03:48:42] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: bleh. I'm having a hard time finding a mature, intelligent, sane, practical woman who likes wolfies and is good with a strapon...
[03:48:48] <XXCoder> because tuneup is $600
[03:49:18] <Cromaglious> furry get to Sac more often
[03:49:21] <XXCoder> 3.8l engine in midsize sedan lol that was fun one
[03:50:20] <furrywolf> I haven't done any real tests to see how fast my other subaru is now... need to get an exhaust built first.
[03:50:47] <furrywolf> it's not a race car, but I spun both front wheels at >40mph the other day, so it's not lacking in power either.
[03:51:08] <Cromaglious> ok CnfFreezeInt is defined in fltk/fltkmain.cpp
[03:51:26] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I just wish I started fixing ars earlier mecury sable was a real pleasure to drive for last 5 months
[03:51:30] <Cromaglious> but it's not in any Makefile
[03:51:39] <XXCoder> after 9 years of minor issues
[03:52:08] * furrywolf has difficulty with the concept of "mercury" and "fun" being together.
[03:52:19] <XXCoder> 3.8l engine hell yes fun
[03:52:50] <XXCoder> but fixing it was "fun" lol so hard to do anything when its so big theres inches clearance all around
[03:52:51] <furrywolf> a big engine won't make up for the apperance, comfort, handling, or reliability.
[03:53:16] <XXCoder> my shitty paint sable could beat brand new hondas lol
[03:53:58] <XXCoder> unmodified with shitty sparkplugs (it had same ones for almost entire 9 years)
[03:54:21] <furrywolf> "expensive spark plugs make more power" is a myth spread by those selling spark plugs. :)
[03:54:31] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I dont sub to that either
[03:54:32] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, I modified the Makefile.am files it should just build with "./autogen.sh && ./configure && make"
[03:54:40] <XXCoder> its just that it was probably orginial
[03:55:03] <anarchos2> do i need to do something like addf and2.0 base-thread
[03:55:08] <XXCoder> bought car at 67,000 miles and totaled at 89,000 miles
[03:55:13] <anarchos2> to use and2.0?
[03:55:19] <XXCoder> I dont drive much for those 9 years
[03:56:14] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you cloned the solvespace-linux-fixes repo, not official right? I just made those build fixes to the solvespace-linux-fixes one.
[03:56:57] <furrywolf> hopefully not totalled because you were having too much fun with your large engine?
[03:57:23] <XXCoder> nah moron turned left without looking and very fast speed too
[03:57:28] <XXCoder> 90 degree turn
[03:57:38] <Cromaglious> so I should regit it?
[03:57:40] <XXCoder> I would have been killed if I didnt turn right
[03:57:52] <XXCoder> as it is I still get bad dizzy spells
[03:57:59] <XXCoder> and its been near 2 years
[03:58:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, yea delete everything and just git clone again
[03:58:20] <Cromaglious> k
[03:58:21] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you have fltk installed right?
[03:58:59] <XXCoder> furrywolf: basically I drive like old man usually.
[03:59:07] <Cromaglious> yep
[03:59:31] <dirty_d> you need fltk, libpng, and the opengl libraries installed
[03:59:34] <dirty_d> i think thats it
[03:59:38] <dirty_d> and X11
[04:00:15] <furrywolf> and possibly -dev versions
[04:00:20] <dirty_d> yea
[04:00:44] <dirty_d> hmm, technically you shouldnt need libspnav, but the build stuff could be wrong
[04:01:04] <dirty_d> i just happen to have it, so that could be one reason it compiles for me and not you
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[04:01:56] <dirty_d> nah, uninstalled it and it still works
[04:02:50] <Rab> dirty_d, compiled and ran solvespace under Slackware 13.37, worked great. Thanks!
[04:03:45] <Rab> Right now I'm trying to get it working with my SpaceNavigator.
[04:04:04] <dirty_d> no problem
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[04:05:10] <dirty_d> hmmm, so that lets you rotate the model and stuff at the same time as using the mouse?
[04:05:56] <Rab> I guess so?
[04:06:01] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads$ git clone git@gitorious.org:solvespace/linux-fixes.git
[04:06:02] <Cromaglious> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/robi/Downloads/linux-fixes/.git/
[04:06:02] <Cromaglious> Permission denied (publickey).
[04:06:02] <Cromaglious> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[04:06:04] <dirty_d> what the hell, there are constraints in autodesk 360 that I cant see
[04:06:12] <dirty_d> use the https link
[04:08:31] <renesis> hmm solvespace looks pretty neat
[04:08:55] <dirty_d> yea i know right? i just found out it existed a couple days ago
[04:09:32] <dirty_d> its not loaded with all kinds of crazy features, but it seems like it does everything that a cad program should do, and well
[04:09:46] <Cromaglious> working
[04:09:51] <dirty_d> cool
[04:10:04] <dirty_d> plus its so simple you can just figure out how to use it by screwing around
[04:11:05] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: overriding commands for target `Options'
[04:11:05] <Cromaglious> Makefile:145: warning: ignoring old commands for target `Options'
[04:11:05] <Cromaglious> Makefile:155: warning: overriding commands for target `Options'
[04:11:05] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: ignoring old commands for target `Options'
[04:11:25] <XXCoder> trying to compile linuxcnc?
[04:11:31] <Cromaglious> Makefile:155: warning: overriding commands for target `we'
[04:11:32] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: ignoring old commands for target `we'
[04:11:32] <Cromaglious> Makefile:162: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.
[04:11:39] <Cromaglious> solvespace
[04:11:46] <dirty_d> meh, it works at least, lol
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[04:13:26] <Cromaglious> sending my makefile
[04:13:49] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you wanna dcc get
[04:14:20] <Rab> SpaceNavigator works! Had to do ./configure --with-libspnav=/usr/local
[04:14:33] <Rab> whoooooooooooaaaaaaa
[04:15:01] <Rab> Too twitchy to use, going to have to tweak the driver options.
[04:15:23] <renesis> i know few ME into those
[04:15:45] <renesis> also some who cant stand them, feel weird, havent used long enough to decide
[04:17:27] <Rab> If anybody has $99 burning a hole in their pocket, definitely buy one: http://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700028-SpaceNavigator-3D-Mouse/dp/B000LB7G00
[04:17:50] <Cromaglious> ahhh I have fltk 1.1 not 1.3
[04:18:30] <Rab> renesis, I've only used it with SketchUp under Windows...never had a Linux program that supported it.
[04:18:46] <renesis> neat that its working
[04:18:57] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, still works though?
[04:18:59] <renesis> its just normal HID or needs driver?
[04:19:26] <renesis> it doesnt havce a scroll wheel! =\
[04:19:44] <Rab> renesis, it's a HID, but you need a special driver to use it.
[04:20:01] <Rab> It's not a substitute for a mouse, you would use them together.
[04:20:22] <renesis> right because hid prob doesnt support back flips and barrel rolls
[04:20:27] <Cromaglious> FLTK_OPTIM = -Os -Wall -Wunused -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing
[04:20:28] <Cromaglious> FLTK_PREFIX = Usage: fltk-config [OPTIONS]
[04:20:28] <Cromaglious> Options:
[04:20:28] <Cromaglious> [--version]
[04:20:28] <Cromaglious> [--api-version]
[04:20:29] <Rab> Indeed.
[04:20:36] <Cromaglious> this is what ends up in my Makefile
[04:20:46] <renesis> but thats cool you can plug it in and see it no drama
[04:21:06] <Rab> I had to install and run the daemon first.
[04:21:19] <furrywolf> that means the detect for fltk didn't work. could be a bug in autoconf, could be your version is screwy.
[04:21:59] <furrywolf> gah, I'm exhausted. it's too early to go to bed, but I'm utterly useless.
[04:22:06] <Cromaglious> compiling 1.3.3 now
[04:22:21] <renesis> i went to bed at 6pm yesterday and woke up at midnight
[04:22:35] <renesis> school at 11am sucked =\
[04:22:45] <Cromaglious> I went to bed at 5am this morning and got up at 9:50am
[04:23:10] <renesis> thats 5 hours yo thats like, an awesome long night of sleep
[04:23:12] <Cromaglious> still compiling
[04:24:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, your distro should have a package for that already
[04:24:12] <dirty_d> what are you using?
[04:24:35] <renesis> sounds like maybe distro package isny current?
[04:24:36] <Cromaglious> I kinda miss goofy... amd 4x86-133 running slack kernel 1.3.48
[04:24:48] <renesis> wtf man
[04:24:51] <dirty_d> wait what?
[04:25:04] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, running ubuntu 10.04 from linuxcnc .iso
[04:25:21] <dirty_d> ok, lol
[04:25:27] <anarchos2> does halshow work without any corresponding .hal file entries? ie: can i just hook a button upto pin 12 on my parport and see it in halshow?
[04:25:42] <dirty_d> ubuntu doesnt have 1.3?
[04:26:01] <dirty_d> of fltk i mean
[04:26:41] <Cromaglious> ok recompilng solvespace
[04:26:53] <Cromaglious> yeah! Makefile is happy
[04:26:58] <anarchos2> i'm getting super confused...i have a button, it works when testing with my meter (continuity test. NO, closed when pressed). I have 5V going into it, and the ohter wire going into pin 12, but it just seems to do nothing :/
[04:27:16] <furrywolf> do you have a pulldown resistor?
[04:27:17] <renesis> do you have a pulldown?
[04:27:41] <Cromaglious> anarchos2, stepper breakout? pin12 goes to ground to trigger
[04:27:45] <anarchos2> breakout board has them built in
[04:27:56] <anarchos2> and 12 is set to pull down
[04:27:57] <renesis> pullups or pulldowns?
[04:28:06] <renesis> sucks
[04:28:10] <anarchos2> it can be both..
[04:28:22] <renesis> right but if you have it set right its something else
[04:28:26] <Cromaglious> g++: /usr/local/lib/libfltk_gl.a: No such file or directory
[04:29:07] <renesis> is that where you installed too?
[04:29:33] <anarchos2> a pull up would give me basically the reverse of what it would naturally do, right? like give voltage when the button is not pressed, and cut to 0 when it is?
[04:29:34] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you still have the version before i commited?
[04:29:36] <renesis> if you just do make install itll usually just /usr/local it, looks right
[04:29:46] <dirty_d> it shouldnt be trying to link against the static libraries
[04:30:02] <renesis> anarchos2: yeah but you need to ground the other side of the switch
[04:30:05] <dirty_d> i just changed that to use the shared libraries
[04:31:03] <dirty_d> anarchos2, yea but then youd connect the switch to ground instead of 5V
[04:31:36] <dirty_d> just inverts the logic
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[04:32:59] <anarchos2> oooh
[04:33:03] <anarchos2> i dont get it, but it works
[04:33:04] <anarchos2> heh
[04:33:41] <anarchos2> if i connect the switch to ground instead of 5v it works
[04:33:56] <renesis> the input itself doesnt sink or source current, so no voltage drop across the resistor unless the switch is closed
[04:33:56] <XXCoder> furrywolf: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-Pcs-8-Position-Double-Row-Screw-Terminal-Covered-Barrier-Strip-600V-25A/1488544_32217656545.html
[04:34:06] <renesis> anarchos2: its in pullup mode, then
[04:34:09] <XXCoder> cool. same time from same seller for my van brake lights
[04:34:47] <anarchos2> so with the pull up, it's giving me some voltage from the input pin, and then when the button is pressed it's sinking that voltage into ground?
[04:35:58] <renesis> pull means its connected to power
[04:36:17] <renesis> so switch open, no current across pullup, voltage is same both sides
[04:36:26] <renesis> *pullup means
[04:37:00] <renesis> when you close the switch, it pulls the resistor down to GND
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[04:37:36] <renesis> so resistor is now from VCC to GND, with the input connected to ground directly because closed switch
[04:37:58] <renesis> http://imgur.com/rmaAavD
[04:38:01] <Cromaglious> ok I have to find libfltk_gl
[04:38:27] <renesis> randomly drew this for another thing couple days ago, but 1K is a pullup, fan sense is a switch
[04:39:13] <anarchos2> renesis, so if i wasn't using my fancy breakout board, i'd be connecting a resistor from VCC->pin12, which would be providing a bit of current, then when the switch is closed, that current goes to ground, making pin12 see 0 current?
[04:39:32] <renesis> almost
[04:39:50] <renesis> the connection is right
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[04:43:13] <renesis> im drawing pics
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[04:44:40] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:44:46] <XXCoder> night
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[04:47:01] <XXCoder> what do peoplenuse this for?? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-Pieces-ethernet-RJ45-male-to-USB-female-connector-converter-adapter-Free-Cable-Tie/1488544_32217742640.html
[04:47:48] <renesis> anarchos2: http://imgur.com/AKJlooe
[04:48:19] <renesis> anarchos2: get it now?
[04:48:38] <renesis> pulldown is same thing but reversed
[04:51:32] <renesis> hi-z means high impedance, no current, resistive brick wall
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[04:54:36] <anarchos2> right, i think i get it
[04:55:12] <XXCoder> woot http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-Sale-6-Terminals-3-Position-ON-OFF-ON-DPDT-Boat-Rocker-Switch-16A-250VAC-20A/1488544_32257100218.html
[04:55:22] <XXCoder> now I can power my walk/stop sign
[04:55:24] <renesis> yeah it sounded like you mostly did, except pin 12 always sees 0 current, it only sees voltage
[04:55:39] <XXCoder> expecially since same store has safe connectors strip so I can wire it up.
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[04:55:51] <Rab> XXCoder, that adapter is something to do with USB ADSL modems.
[04:55:58] <XXCoder> oh
[04:56:13] <XXCoder> making sure, it will work with 120v?
[04:56:27] <XXCoder> not sure how much A it uses, but lots led shouldnt be too much eh
[04:56:44] <renesis> kind of tight for 120v
[04:57:19] <XXCoder> 120 volt, 6w
[04:57:26] <Rab> Looks like it lets you run ethernet over a USB cable, if you felt a need to do that. Obviously it doesn't convert to USB signaling.
[04:57:27] <XXCoder> im sure you can figure a from that
[04:57:50] <renesis> its a sparkgap and resistive insulation issue more than power drops across the pins
[04:57:52] <Rab> Weird, but apparently really common. Even Walmart carries them.
[04:58:07] <renesis> wtf
[04:58:49] <renesis> comes with free cable tie
[04:58:57] <renesis> i would get it
[04:58:57] <XXCoder> .06 Ampo
[04:59:00] <XXCoder> er .6 amp
[04:59:03] <Rab> XXCoder, that switch? Should be fine.
[04:59:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:59:18] <XXCoder> getting it
[04:59:20] <renesis> oh
[04:59:37] <XXCoder> evenually I want it to be controlled by computer or something
[04:59:48] <Rab> To the extent that a $.59 power switch off AliExpress is hopefully fine.
[04:59:50] <XXCoder> hell if I ever has full size cnc I would use it as status
[04:59:52] <renesis> i thought you meant putting 120V on the usb adapter
[05:00:05] <XXCoder> renesis: LOL nope but can see how you got confused
[05:00:05] <renesis> rab: i dont even try and bring that up in here
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[05:00:27] <renesis> on and on about machine quality and fuck china this and fuck china that
[05:00:35] <renesis> shit parts from ali express every day from the same people
[05:00:37] <renesis> shrug
[05:00:41] <XXCoder> Rab: its always a gamble
[05:00:51] <XXCoder> order and roll a d20
[05:00:57] <XXCoder> see if above 6 lol
[05:01:04] <renesis> dude you pay them nothing what is the motivation for them to make a good part?
[05:01:09] <XXCoder> bad stuff, above 15 is fine :P
[05:01:24] <XXCoder> I should add bot here
[05:01:27] <XXCoder> roller bot
[05:01:40] <XXCoder> ;roll d20 something
[05:02:05] <XXCoder> ordering two switches in case one is bad
[05:02:12] <XXCoder> 59 cent why not
[05:02:20] <renesis> right because if one is bad the other will def be okay
[05:02:31] <renesis> because fires and other peoples insurance companies
[05:02:35] <XXCoder> maybe but two rolls twice better chance lol
[05:02:50] <renesis> why not just roll a 10 sided die?
[05:03:10] <XXCoder> two d5 and one d10 do not have same probility curve
[05:03:20] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, libfltk_gl is part of fltk
[05:03:23] <renesis> does if you adjust the threshold
[05:03:29] <dirty_d> same package
[05:03:56] <Rab> Solvespace seems like tha shiznit so far.
[05:04:05] <renesis> have you used solidworks?
[05:04:07] <XXCoder> good or bad shit
[05:04:13] <Rab> Prints lots of error messages to console: Vector::WithMagnitude(1.57501) of zero vector!
[05:04:23] <renesis> shiznit usually indicates that its the good shit
[05:04:37] <XXCoder> me no speek engglush
[05:04:38] <Rab> XXCoder, shit is just shit: bad. THE shit, is good.
[05:04:53] <XXCoder> thanks tho
[05:04:58] <renesis> the shit = drugs.
[05:05:01] <renesis> drugs = good.
[05:05:10] <XXCoder> that aliexpress store seems awesome
[05:05:11] <renesis> help you remember
[05:05:14] <XXCoder> bunch cnc stuff too
[05:05:17] <XXCoder> like e stop
[05:05:23] <XXCoder> limt switches so on
[05:05:30] <Rab> renesis, I've never used SW...I cripple myself by avoiding payware whenever possible.
[05:05:53] <anarchos2> Now my next question is, and this might actually be a "feature", but i hooked up a physical e-stop button, it works, but if i shut down linux cnc and open it back up, without hitting the estop button, linuxcnc works and thinks everything is ok, but my actual motors won't spin
[05:05:59] <anarchos2> until i hit the estop and reset it
[05:06:00] <XXCoder> lol guy has key activated switch
[05:06:03] <renesis> i know is why i asked before asking how it is compared to SW
[05:06:12] <XXCoder> good for game where it enables ultimate weapon or something
[05:06:33] <Rab> Prob should make a Windows VM with SW and Altium warez, to get familiar...but I'd rather spend time on tools I actually use.
[05:06:35] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-5-pcs-lot-Electric-2-Positions-ON-OFF-Metal-Keylock-Switch-w-Keys/1488544_32271403779.html
[05:06:49] <XXCoder> also, what is solverspace?
[05:06:54] <XXCoder> some kind cam software?
[05:07:03] <renesis> parametric cad
[05:07:29] <XXCoder> lol another key "button"
[05:07:34] <renesis> rab: im not sure id even try SW in a VM
[05:07:44] <renesis> ive thought about it, but its pretty heavy
[05:07:59] <XXCoder> keypad
[05:08:01] <renesis> pretty well behaved but itll take a break and shoot you hourglass for awhile, some stuff
[05:08:06] <XXCoder> damn guy got good cnc shit
[05:08:13] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-5-pcs-lot-4-x-4-16-Key-Matrix-Membrane-Switch-Keypad/1488544_32272533613.html
[05:08:16] <Rab> Looks like it has some very basic 2D CAM stuff, too.
[05:08:38] <renesis> you should be able to drop model views into 2d drawings
[05:08:53] <XXCoder> 2d is good for cnc router
[05:08:57] <renesis> thats how you do dxf/pdf drawings in SW
[05:09:28] <renesis> oh nm you said CAM
[05:09:33] <renesis> coool
[05:09:52] <renesis> rab: have you tried gcodetools for inkscape yet?
[05:10:02] <XXCoder> renesis: gonna try that too
[05:10:07] <XXCoder> I love inkscape so yea lol
[05:10:16] <renesis> i got it to gen gcode but it totally destroyed the toolpath with overshoots and tangents
[05:10:42] <renesis> no idea wtf it was trying to do, have to figure out a few options didnt immediately make sense
[05:10:42] <Rab> renesis, yeah, that's how I've done all my projects so far.
[05:10:45] <anarchos2> brb
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[05:10:51] <XXCoder> favorited that aliexpress store
[05:10:53] <XXCoder> awesome one
[05:11:06] <renesis> rab: you like it? got a decent tutorial link or you just read a fuckton of forum posts?
[05:11:35] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/spacer-toolpaths.png
[05:11:39] <renesis> docs i found looked more like quick walkthroughs
[05:12:21] <Rab> I do like it, but only because it's very simple. But it has practically zero functionality I'd expect to see from CAM, or maybe I need to do more exploring.
[05:12:40] <renesis> right i just want to use it for engraving stuff
[05:12:50] <Rab> There is some basic optimization. But you have to be pretty good at Inkscape to make a sane toolpath.
[05:12:59] <XXCoder> I am
[05:13:04] <renesis> good like how?
[05:13:05] <Rab> I've done lots of engraving with it.
[05:13:25] <renesis> you just have to make continuous paths?
[05:13:42] <Rab> renesis, yeah, that's a big one.
[05:13:49] <XXCoder> one path only?
[05:13:57] <Rab> Correct.
[05:14:03] <XXCoder> or is it lift and move to next if more than ahh
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[05:14:13] <renesis> it cant handle more than one?
[05:14:22] <renesis> so i would have to gen code for like, each letter?
[05:14:26] <XXCoder> what if I use box, circle so on
[05:14:33] <Rab> Not like that, sorry.
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[05:14:50] <XXCoder> strange I would think it would use g12, 13 for circle for example
[05:14:57] <XXCoder> g2 g3 even
[05:15:08] <XXCoder> *g02, g03
[05:15:10] <renesis> i dont even think a lot of high end CAM apps do that
[05:15:23] <Rab> An object in Inkscape is composed of multiple path segments. If you don't combine those segments, gcodetools will happily generate a plunge for each segment.
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[05:15:51] <renesis> okay so its about how things are grouped
[05:16:00] <Rab> Which consumes a lot of time and is really bad form if you'd like to cut a contiguous path.
[05:16:17] <XXCoder> should be fine if seperate tracing or something?
[05:16:24] <Rab> It's separate from grouping, you need to combine path with Ctrl-K.
[05:16:40] <renesis> right i remember reading about that
[05:17:02] <renesis> i tried to feed it some hershey fonts and it just went nuts
[05:17:11] <renesis> everything as one segment
[05:17:34] <Rab> Another gotcha: paths have a direction in Inkscape, although it's invisible. So if you want to ensure climb milling, for example, and the toolpath gcodetools generates is going the wrong way for that, you have to flip the object in Inkscape.
[05:17:37] <renesis> anyway, if its been working for youll ill look into some more
[05:17:46] <renesis> well they have starts and stops
[05:17:50] <renesis> thats normal
[05:18:02] <Rab> Direction, beginning/end, whatever.
[05:18:02] <renesis> usually doesnt matter, heh
[05:18:15] <renesis> yeah thats how most cad abd graphics stuff is defined
[05:19:02] <XXCoder> mirror object then resize it to negative size so pathway is reversed but same shape
[05:19:10] <Rab> I probably can't show you the engraving stuff I've done because it incorporates my employer's name. But it was very successful.
[05:19:19] <XXCoder> it will set back to normal so its not negative size
[05:19:33] <renesis> good to hear
[05:19:58] <XXCoder> I just need a flipping working cnc router before I can even begin lol
[05:20:10] <Rab> Also, there's some facility in gcodetools for tool sizes but I never took the time to figure it out. I just set the stroke width to the cutter size, and dimension as needed. ;)
[05:20:18] <Cromaglious> I need one better than a 3040
[05:20:26] <XXCoder> ordered, hope this time the stop/night light saga ends! im sick of it
[05:20:38] <XXCoder> nice
[05:20:50] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: 3040
[05:20:50] <Cromaglious> on AL I'm doing good to cut .060 deep with a 0.002 step over
[05:20:52] <XXCoder> ?
[05:20:55] <renesis> rab: ha, manual compensation
[05:21:01] <Cromaglious> google yoocnc 3040
[05:21:05] <XXCoder> looking
[05:21:16] <renesis> i used to do that in autocad with offset
[05:21:29] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: not fancy but hella better than mine
[05:21:40] <Rab> renesis, that's what I mean by not actual CAM. Just a lot of stuff you have to do manually.
[05:21:50] <XXCoder> mine is still just electrics rails and ballscrew kit lol
[05:21:55] <XXCoder> need a frame dammit
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[05:22:01] <Cromaglious> I'm up to 2 broken mills, my 1/4 corncob got here today though
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[05:22:24] <Rab> But I admit that the very second I got gcodetools to spit out something usable, I stopped learning and started making parts. So maybe it's more advanced than I can testify.
[05:22:27] <zeeshan> nice crom
[05:23:16] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16630381372_e4ab82d4b5_b.jpg
[05:23:19] <zeeshan> ^ before
[05:23:28] <Rab> renesis, I also had to do extensive hand-editing of the gcode to get FleshCut to accept it. Modern LinuxCNC might be more permissive/capable.
[05:23:39] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8595/16030549593_c2f93028be_b.jpg
[05:23:43] <zeeshan> After
[05:23:51] <renesis> ive never used code in linuxcnc without having to edit it
[05:23:54] <Rab> zeeshan, nice work!
[05:24:00] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8580/16650443325_884964a8f0_b.jpg
[05:24:05] <zeeshan> i cant beleive how good this degreaser works
[05:24:06] <bobo_> needs to be green
[05:24:07] <zeeshan> thanks man! :D
[05:24:47] <zeeshan> bobo i agree
[05:24:47] <zeeshan> haha
[05:24:50] <zeeshan> bloody green machines
[05:24:54] <zeeshan> im plagued by them
[05:25:05] <renesis> rab: i dont have toolchanger and lots of cam apps output fucked up non standard drill code
[05:25:06] <XXCoder> dang
[05:25:13] <XXCoder> zeeshan: from junk to amazing
[05:25:16] <Rab> renesis, as you might imagine, you can do sorta-3D CAM by building up layers in Inkscape and exporting them separately, then combining the gcodez into one job. But that takes some dedication.
[05:25:16] <renesis> so very least, i strip out tool changes
[05:25:35] <zeeshan> XXCoder: hehe!
[05:25:36] <XXCoder> Rab: or scripts
[05:25:36] <renesis> at that point if just be doing shit by hand
[05:25:37] <bobo_> you are just getting worn down on the green------LOL
[05:25:47] <zeeshan> bobo_: if i get another green machine
[05:25:48] <zeeshan> ill snap
[05:25:51] <zeeshan> :)
[05:26:00] <renesis> conditional gcode in linux cnc is probably better than it was like 8 years ago
[05:26:00] <XXCoder> and ship me all green machines right?
[05:26:17] <Rab> XXCoder, sure, I wrote a simple bash processor to munge a bunch of stuff I was having to repeat for each file.
[05:26:36] <bobo_> green shadow graph
[05:26:53] <zeeshan> luckily mitutoyo has some nice style
[05:26:54] <zeeshan> blue!
[05:26:59] <renesis> i just select from the safety block to the beginning of the actual moving code and hit delete
[05:27:04] <renesis> takes a few sec =)
[05:27:10] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ship me green machines then lol
[05:27:14] <zeeshan> XXCoder: never
[05:28:01] <renesis> tho i always love seeing the line where it sets my spindle speed
[05:28:06] <renesis> gotta rub it in and shit
[05:28:12] <zeeshan> inkscape sounds like its nurbs curves based?
[05:28:26] <XXCoder> nurbs dnno but its vector graphics
[05:28:29] <renesis> vector graphics, its free illustrator
[05:28:30] <XXCoder> uses SVG format
[05:28:43] <XXCoder> its one of best programs
[05:29:14] <zeeshan> oh it uses bezier curves
[05:29:14] <renesis> only alternative i can think of is dia and dia kind of sucks
[05:29:18] <zeeshan> nkscape has a comprehensive tool set to edit paths, as they are the basic element of a vector file. The Node tool allows editing single or multiple paths on single or multiple node levels by editing the position of nodes and control points of Bezier paths or Spiro curves.
[05:29:39] <renesis> well, right, because it has pen
[05:30:10] <renesis> i always found that weird, my pen irl doesnt do anything like that
[05:30:16] <Rab> My favorite use right now is to import mechanical drawings in PDF, scale them to 1:1, break the groups apart and delete extraneous stuff, then model assemblies.
[05:30:17] <zeeshan> i used autodesk alias
[05:30:24] <zeeshan> and that stuff was way beyond my head
[05:30:33] <renesis> rab: nice
[05:30:48] <Rab> renesis, I used to use xfig, which is fairly powerful but has a really bad '80s interface.
[05:31:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4x7DtfH.png
[05:31:01] <renesis> i recall
[05:31:03] <zeeshan> we had to make a car body
[05:31:05] <Rab> Not everybody provides models, but everybody has a datasheet.
[05:31:08] <zeeshan> as you can see, im not creative
[05:31:11] <renesis> had that xpdf aesthetic
[05:31:33] <renesis> looks like an audi tt
[05:31:40] <zeeshan> i dont know what i was thinking
[05:31:45] <zeeshan> i literally started with a box
[05:31:51] <zeeshan> with fenders, and then added curves
[05:31:56] <renesis> that basically is the simplified design concept of a tt
[05:32:12] <zeeshan> im not good with that stuff
[05:32:14] <Rab> ...or New Beetle
[05:32:22] <zeeshan> i hope to never use that software again
[05:32:39] <renesis> new beetle arcs change less
[05:32:56] <renesis> also the top arc flows into the body arc on a bug
[05:33:04] <zeeshan> stop calling my car a bettle
[05:33:05] <zeeshan> you bastards
[05:33:12] <renesis> http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2006/04/07-audi-tt-design/Audi-TT-old-new-comparison-lg.jpg
[05:33:12] <zeeshan> :D
[05:33:12] <Rab> I actually like the New New Beetle.
[05:33:20] <zeeshan> rab you must be gay!
[05:33:22] <zeeshan> jk
[05:33:23] <renesis> i didnt i called it a tt
[05:33:33] <zeeshan> oh wow rab
[05:33:35] <zeeshan> theyve changed it quite a bit
[05:33:38] <XXCoder> new new beetle does look nicer
[05:33:42] <renesis> i just dont like new beetles because the a pillars are ridiculous
[05:33:42] <zeeshan> looks way better
[05:33:46] <renesis> amazing design, tho
[05:33:48] <XXCoder> bubble one is meh
[05:34:02] <zeeshan> http://lotpro.com/blogphotos/Volkswagen/Motorsports/Rallycross/2015/tn_CAS14%202015%20Beetle%20Rallycross%207up%20(12).JPG
[05:34:03] <Rab> zeeshan, I drive a Volvo, so that puts me back in breeder territory.
[05:34:03] <zeeshan> i dig it
[05:34:10] <zeeshan> haha
[05:34:21] <zeeshan> http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/volkswagen/beetle/2014_01_14_volkswagen_beetle_dune_03.jpg
[05:34:23] <zeeshan> wow i really like this
[05:34:28] <zeeshan> looks good in two tone
[05:34:33] <renesis> https://www.google.com/search?q=new+beetle+profile&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=965&tbm=isch&imgil=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%253BbhIhFYMphDdJGM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.newcars.com%25252Fvolkswagen%25252Fnew-beetle%25252F2010&source=iu&pf=m&fir=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%252CbhIhFYMphDdJGM%252C_&usg=__5wna4SzdnuoeQzljzOfLZaM15tw%3D&ved=0CCcQyjc&ei=YLDuVOnuJ9fhoATBh4DwDA#imgdii=_&imgrc=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%3BbhIhFYMphDdJGM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.newcars.com%252Fima
[05:34:40] <renesis> roof arc goes all the way to the bumper
[05:34:42] <XXCoder> nice and very long url
[05:34:43] <renesis> not zee's car
[05:34:46] <renesis> wtf url
[05:34:54] <renesis> http://images.newcars.com/images/car-pictures/original/2010-Volkswagen-New-Beetle-Coupe-Hatchback-2.5L-2dr-Hatchback-Exterior-Profile.png
[05:35:17] <Rab> renesis, A pillars are ridiculous on most vehicles now. That's probably most of the rollover protection.
[05:35:17] <XXCoder> I don't even see vw beetles around here
[05:35:22] <XXCoder> rarely old ones
[05:35:23] <renesis> rab: basically beetle has my cars biggest safety issue, but much worse
[05:35:30] <renesis> the A pillar is directly in dorward vision
[05:35:39] <renesis> and during turns is blocks massive FOV
[05:35:42] <renesis> because its so slanted
[05:35:45] <XXCoder> never see any new beetle or new new beetle (nor any new new new beetle lol)
[05:36:08] <renesis> rab: they can be thick and closer to the driver and not be as bad is more verticle
[05:36:24] <renesis> i think its mostly a design and aero thing
[05:36:34] <MacGalempsy> sorry not a fan of the new beatle!
[05:36:34] <renesis> its the reason my car is gorgeous
[05:36:56] <Rab> MacGalempsy, I thought the old New Beetle was pretty cheesy.
[05:36:57] <MacGalempsy> kind of looks like a PT Cruiser
[05:37:04] <renesis> http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2013-porsche-cayman-renderings-released_9.jpg
[05:37:12] <renesis> best new beetle ^
[05:37:21] <renesis> never wanted a 911, ever
[05:37:24] <renesis> want that
[05:37:33] <Rab> renesis, that's obviously where VW was trying to go. ;)
[05:37:46] <MacGalempsy> no arguement on the best new beetle, but who are you trying to kid about the 911?
[05:37:48] <renesis> their engine is still in the wrong place
[05:37:51] <renesis> thats mid
[05:38:08] <MacGalempsy> we'll race and then you can change your mind :)
[05:38:19] <MacGalempsy> you can get a good look from the back
[05:38:21] <renesis> 911 is a beetle
[05:38:30] <Cromaglious> yup
[05:38:35] <renesis> id rather have a 914, 944, 928, cayman, or boxter
[05:38:36] <MacGalempsy> maybe back in the day
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[05:38:40] <renesis> no dude
[05:38:47] <renesis> the 911 is continuous development
[05:38:52] <renesis> literally the only car like that
[05:38:53] <Cromaglious> 914 is a mid engine as well as a Fiero
[05:39:05] <renesis> 911 is directly descendent of a 356, which is blatantly a sport beetle
[05:39:09] <Cromaglious> My Brother has a 912
[05:39:19] <renesis> 912 are going to be worth $$$
[05:39:25] <renesis> all the 911 chassis are used up
[05:39:28] <MacGalempsy> we can say all VW and Pcar are descendants of the beetle
[05:39:32] <renesis> so theyre dropping sixes into 912 now
[05:39:40] <renesis> resale going waaaay up
[05:39:51] <renesis> air cooled 911 are just bonkers now
[05:40:21] <renesis> also lots of people say 912 are more fun because they cant bite you in the ass as hard
[05:40:23] <MacGalempsy> yeah. when o-dummy printed 3x the amount of money, prices of awesome cars tripled in price
[05:40:27] <Rab> Thanks, Adolf!
[05:40:35] <Cromaglious> I've had a '68 autostick beetle, '69 beetle, '68 Westie, 69 bus, 70 walk thru, and a '71 westfalia
[05:40:42] <renesis> adolf did good things
[05:40:52] <renesis> well, gave money to people who did good things
[05:40:54] <Cromaglious> Dr P did better!
[05:40:57] <renesis> ya
[05:41:01] <renesis> <3 the dr
[05:41:09] <renesis> but hes the reason the 911 isnt dead
[05:41:16] <Cromaglious> The British saved VW!
[05:41:19] <renesis> and the reason the 914 or the boxter never got the engines they deserved
[05:41:23] <renesis> the 911 was the drs pet
[05:41:33] <roycroft> please keep your hatred of our president and your love of hitler out of this channel
[05:41:47] <Cromaglious> It was the British ocupation force which cranked up the VW line again... so the occupation troops had cars
[05:41:52] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8764344525/
[05:41:53] <renesis> like, 60 years to make a rear engine piece of shit into the most winning car in racing
[05:41:59] <roycroft> that has nothing to do with cnc or machining
[05:42:06] <MacGalempsy> i'll take that anyday of the week
[05:42:21] <renesis> its a frog
[05:42:30] <renesis> IM GONNA JUMP! ANY MONUTE NOW!
[05:42:30] <Cromaglious> I have a billet shifter on my 69 bus
[05:42:33] <renesis> thats the stance of a 911
[05:42:42] <Cromaglious> err had
[05:42:43] <Rab> roycroft, duly noted, mea culpa.
[05:42:53] <MacGalempsy> jump right pass everyone
[05:43:01] <renesis> i dont love hitler
[05:43:11] <renesis> i <3 dr porsche
[05:43:29] <Cromaglious> Mac: ummm NO... In my Corvair I had 911's for the first 1/5 mile everytime
[05:43:58] <Cromaglious> notice it's a fifth... they'd blow by me before the 1/4
[05:44:06] <MacGalempsy> not that 911
[05:44:12] <renesis> sports cars arent about going fast in lines
[05:44:36] <renesis> muscle can go fast or turn
[05:44:40] <renesis> sport can go fast and turn
[05:44:41] <Cromaglious> In my Corvair if I could stay ahead of them into the corners I had them BEAT!
[05:44:42] <MacGalempsy> x50 with GT2 engine upgrade. dont hate
[05:45:12] <Cromaglious> Corvair == low end, 911 == highend
[05:45:21] <renesis> 911 = all ends
[05:45:29] <renesis> theres like 10 versions of the fucking car
[05:45:37] <Cromaglious> I was only good for 113mpg they were good for 150mph
[05:45:43] <Cromaglious> mph
[05:45:52] <MacGalempsy> all I know is I never need to get another Supercar.
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[05:46:06] <renesis> the 911 is yours?
[05:46:09] <MacGalempsy> now I focus on buliding my shop
[05:46:10] <Cromaglious> MacGalempsy, DUDE! you are SOOOOOoooo right
[05:46:29] <Cromaglious> I have a deville... that's bad enough
[05:46:36] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I have had it for about 2 years now
[05:46:47] <Cromaglious> it'll smoke them up to about 20mph
[05:46:52] <MacGalempsy> lol
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[05:46:55] <renesis> macgalempsy: cool, no problems?
[05:47:12] <Cromaglious> over 20 it won't break loose
[05:47:13] <MacGalempsy> I've had two problems
[05:47:34] <renesis> that sucks, big deals?
[05:47:35] <Cromaglious> DAMN IT! libfltk_images.a is fsck'n me now
[05:47:51] <MacGalempsy> one is an bank 2 error
[05:47:51] <Cromaglious> Here Robi, bend over!
[05:48:05] <MacGalempsy> only when its cold and I get on it.
[05:48:21] <MacGalempsy> after all that I think if there is a hairline crack in the charcol canister
[05:48:32] <Cromaglious> plug wire or bad lobe on distributor?
[05:48:34] <MacGalempsy> the other part is the rear spoiler.
[05:49:06] <MacGalempsy> the mechanic ripped it all down last year and the last thing he had to check was under the intake manifold...
[05:49:33] <MacGalempsy> that was like 1700 to have that and the rear spoiler hydraulics rebuilt
[05:49:51] <Cromaglious> crank fire is the BEST!
[05:49:57] <MacGalempsy> I like to think i drive so fast the spoiler cant handle all the downforce
[05:50:10] <Cromaglious> I did a buick crank fire mod on my '68 westi
[05:50:43] <renesis> macgalempsy: fucked
[05:50:51] <Cromaglious> hydraulics. not good
[05:51:03] <renesis> i never really liked the variable spoilers
[05:51:06] <Cromaglious> Screw actautor Good
[05:51:21] <renesis> they make sense but they seem so gimicky
[05:51:28] <Cromaglious> Ballscrew conversion there you go! cnc wing on a 911
[05:51:29] <MacGalempsy> I like it better than the gt2 wing
[05:51:38] <renesis> haha, the P1 spoiler is so fast its almost like the car is giving cars behind it the finger
[05:51:52] <renesis> gt2 is fixed whale thing?
[05:51:58] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[05:52:09] <renesis> yeah those are a bit, uh...
[05:52:11] <Cromaglious> That wing is lovely I do admit
[05:52:16] <renesis> flamboyant?
[05:52:32] <Cromaglious> Lovely
[05:52:35] <MacGalempsy> mine is a 996tt with the big turbos and GT2 engine, but has a sunroof, stereo, and AWD
[05:52:43] <renesis> its more like modywork than a wing
[05:52:54] <renesis> tho i guess originally it was to fit the turbo motor
[05:53:05] <MacGalempsy> the PO was an exectutive at Principle financial
[05:53:07] <Cromaglious> yep...
[05:53:24] <renesis> *bodywork
[05:53:26] <MacGalempsy> it was a special offer to people who had bought several pcars over the years
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[05:53:50] <MacGalempsy> its going to the shop next week to get a lift back to factory ride height
[05:53:52] <Cromaglious> mac I'm going out side to have a smoke.... So I don't cry
[05:54:03] <renesis> its a dealer thing or factory?
[05:54:15] <Cromaglious> hehe I had to do that on all my buses
[05:54:17] <renesis> kinda of nuts i guess for dealer mod
[05:54:22] <MacGalempsy> which part?
[05:54:40] <MacGalempsy> factory M110
[05:54:55] <MacGalempsy> it even had a fuel cooler! lol
[05:54:58] <renesis> gt2 engine in a daily drivable 911
[05:55:01] <Cromaglious> pulled the spring plate off and index them 1 or 2 teeth lower, so the bus rode higher in the ass end
[05:55:19] <renesis> like, besides the intercooler?
[05:55:36] <MacGalempsy> its all factory
[05:55:37] <Cromaglious> Keep it from vapor locking...
[05:55:47] <MacGalempsy> the msrp was like 196k
[05:55:49] <renesis> cool
[05:55:55] <MacGalempsy> all those options add up
[05:56:03] <MacGalempsy> it was a steal at 46
[05:56:04] <renesis> yeah i bet
[05:56:09] <renesis> 146?
[05:56:12] <MacGalempsy> no 46
[05:56:14] <renesis> you got that shit for 46?
[05:56:18] <Cromaglious> 996 has the really nice looking front I think
[05:56:18] <MacGalempsy> yeah bro!
[05:56:24] <renesis> wow awesome
[05:56:48] <renesis> i like the 993 front end honestly
[05:56:50] <Cromaglious> which wheels? or do I have to back scroll and find the URL
[05:57:00] <renesis> i havent really loved any of the water cooled 911s
[05:57:04] <MacGalempsy> the shop I take it to in OKC is one of 6 factory certified shops and the guy there never saw that one
[05:57:19] <MacGalempsy> renesis: I agree, like a 75 rsr clone is on my list
[05:57:31] <renesis> nice
[05:57:40] <renesis> i like the 70s ones
[05:57:54] <MacGalempsy> white with "Carrera" on the side
[05:57:57] <renesis> they got kind of dumb in the 80s, stupid plastic trim
[05:57:59] <Cromaglious> ok wheels... the '70s BBS look so much better though
[05:58:12] <renesis> macgalempsy: low near the rockers?
[05:58:26] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[05:58:29] <renesis> i think i know exactly the graphic, sexy shit
[05:58:53] <georgenz> Hey guys... am trying to get my machone center going, made good progress so far with servos, tryin to get spondle running now but not having much luck. Have a mesa 5i25 and 7i77 hooked into a hitachi vfd, think i have wired it right, but not 100% I cant get it spinning. The cw/ccw signal is working fine. However analog signal is dead when I try run it. Its connected onto tb5 pwm. Any ideas?
[05:58:56] <MacGalempsy> hard top. no targa crap
[05:59:30] <renesis> targa 911 is ugly
[05:59:31] <MacGalempsy> did you test out the VFD before hooking it up?
[05:59:35] <renesis> i dont like the rear glass
[05:59:39] <georgenz> Nope
[05:59:43] <Cromaglious> waterboxen!!! I remeber a guy who rebuilt his corvair to be water cooled... very nice and 350HP to boot!
[06:00:10] <renesis> yeah but shit probably weights 4500lbs
[06:00:11] <georgenz> But no signal coming frm tb5 seems the issue?
[06:00:12] <Cromaglious> ok --~ smokey time
[06:00:17] <renesis> laters
[06:00:26] <MacGalempsy> laters
[06:00:32] <Cromaglious> nah I like 996 better than 993 front end
[06:01:13] <renesis> 996 is a boxter, boxter is not 914 enough so could be sexier
[06:01:14] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: I was torn, but once you get it, you dont see that part
[06:01:26] <renesis> cayman is clearly a nod to the 550
[06:01:28] * renesis approves
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[06:02:58] <zeeshan> georgenz: what vfd?
[06:03:00] <zeeshan> wj200?
[06:04:10] <AndChat|31961> Yeah.. thats it
[06:04:23] <zeeshan> are you sure you have hal setup right?
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[06:04:40] <AndChat|31961> Im jst gonna try run an analogue signal into it n see what happens
[06:04:47] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you scared him off! lol
[06:04:53] <zeeshan> =]
[06:06:15] <AndChat|31961> Am not sure... i set it how i thort it should work. Ill be back in a sec, will try run signal in manually
[06:06:17] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: you can do a couple steps
[06:06:27] <zeeshan> to ensure if its your wiring
[06:06:29] <zeeshan> or if its linuxcnc
[06:07:13] <zeeshan> is your e-stop working?
[06:08:06] <MacGalempsy> ohhh good one
[06:09:49] <zeeshan> ?!?!
[06:11:46] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: close linuxcnc, open up a terminal and type:
[06:11:52] <zeeshan> loadrt hostmot2 loadrt hm2_pci loadrt threads addf hm2_5i25.0.read thread1 addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1 addf hm2_5i25.0.pet-watchdog thread1
[06:12:00] <zeeshan> then type show pin
[06:12:06] <zeeshan> to ensure youre communicating with 7i77
[06:12:19] <AndChat|31961> Ok... estop working fine. If i manually feed vfd with 0.5V it runs, direction changes as it should too
[06:12:26] <zeeshan> ok good
[06:12:56] <zeeshan> once youre done that
[06:13:19] <MacGalempsy> AndChat|31961: it sounds like you are at the most exciting time of getting the machine done
[06:13:24] <zeeshan> type: setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[06:13:32] <zeeshan> this should make your motor spin clockwise
[06:13:39] <AndChat|31961> All servo drives are operating and homing correctly
[06:13:39] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[06:13:40] <zeeshan> to make it stop.
[06:13:53] <AndChat|31961> So i assume 7i77 is communicating?
[06:13:53] <zeeshan> this is the best way to test if you have a linuxcnc configuration issue
[06:13:55] <zeeshan> or some issue with 7i77.
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[06:14:10] <zeeshan> i know your 7i77 is working, im saying to check 7i77 is working after you type those commands
[06:14:30] <AndChat|31961> Ok... hold on
[06:14:40] <zeeshan> shit iforgot 2 lines
[06:14:55] <zeeshan> after the line addf hm2_5i25.0.pet-watchdog thread1
[06:14:58] <zeeshan> type "start"
[06:15:00] <zeeshan> loadrt pid
[06:15:18] <zeeshan> ill post the commands on pastebin so its easier to see
[06:16:47] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/uUJNuJLe
[06:17:44] <zeeshan> ignore that one.
[06:17:59] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/RJ3qXGrU
[06:18:03] <zeeshan> im tired :-)
[06:18:08] <AndChat|31961> First line... bash: loadrt: command not found
[06:18:21] <zeeshan> you have to load the program
[06:18:24] <zeeshan> halrun first
[06:20:32] <AndChat|31961> Error: function hm5125.0.read not found
[06:20:49] <AndChat|31961> My bad
[06:20:51] <zeeshan> _
[06:20:54] <AndChat|31961> Hold on
[06:24:09] <AndChat|31961> The pet-watchdog command is failing..
[06:25:22] <AndChat|31961> Ok... underscore instead of hypen
[06:25:52] <zeeshan> my bad
[06:25:53] <zeeshan> :)
[06:26:09] <AndChat|31961> Ok... typed that all in
[06:26:16] <zeeshan> if you do show pin
[06:26:18] <zeeshan> you see stuff?
[06:26:23] <AndChat|31961> Nope
[06:26:42] <zeeshan> youre typing "show pin" ?
[06:26:53] <AndChat|31961> Hold on
[06:27:05] <AndChat|31961> Oh... yup
[06:27:10] <zeeshan> ok good
[06:27:17] <AndChat|31961> Lots of stuff
[06:27:19] <zeeshan> tb5
[06:27:23] <zeeshan> is your analog out ?
[06:27:28] <zeeshan> for spindle?
[06:27:47] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[06:27:51] <zeeshan> to make spindle spin
[06:27:54] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[06:27:56] <zeeshan> to make spindle stop
[06:29:35] <AndChat|31961> Hold on... im looking through hundreds of lines to try find it
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[06:32:56] <AndChat|31961> Ok... what i see is: 5 float IN 0 hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[06:33:16] <zeeshan> yea
[06:33:18] <zeeshan> just do
[06:33:19] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[06:33:21] <zeeshan> i mean
[06:33:25] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[06:33:27] <zeeshan> to make it spin
[06:35:14] <AndChat|31961> Ok... will need to set cw or ccw too
[06:35:27] <zeeshan> no
[06:35:38] <AndChat|31961> They r on output 1 and 2
[06:35:45] <zeeshan> oh
[06:35:55] <zeeshan> i see what you mean
[06:35:55] <zeeshan> :P
[06:36:28] <AndChat|31961> Output 1 and 2 on tb8
[06:36:29] <zeeshan> did you have to energize output 1 or two
[06:36:33] <zeeshan> when you fed it voltage
[06:36:34] <zeeshan> directly
[06:36:36] <AndChat|31961> Ya
[06:36:38] <zeeshan> to make it spin
[06:36:38] <zeeshan> okay
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[06:41:09] <AndChat|31961> How do i enable the tb8 output 1
[06:42:24] <zeeshan> set hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 1
[06:42:29] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 1
[06:42:33] <zeeshan> i think
[06:42:35] <zeeshan> check your pin list
[06:42:39] <zeeshan> it should be similar to that
[06:44:25] <AndChat|31961> How do u copy and paste in the terminal?
[06:44:41] <zeeshan> highlight the text
[06:44:54] <renesis> heh, depends on terminal
[06:44:54] <zeeshan> and i think right click
[06:45:13] <renesis> normally, linux, highlight is copy and paste is middle click
[06:45:34] <renesis> but theres a lot that just use right click, or windows or hybrid models
[06:45:50] <AndChat|31961> Ok... i clicked ctrl c n it booted me out... have to start again
[06:45:55] <zeeshan> haha
[06:45:57] <renesis> haha
[06:45:58] <zeeshan> thats a good way to exit :)
[06:46:13] <renesis> yeah ^c in linux is kill running terminal process
[06:48:26] <renesis> andchat|31961: try highlight, and then paste into url box or something with right click
[06:48:55] <renesis> if that doesnt work, highlight then use edit menu or right click where you highlighted
[06:49:14] <renesis> if you have fancy terminal with tabs and menus, its usually that
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[06:50:40] <AndChat|31961> Ok
[06:50:50] <AndChat|31961> Have typed all that and nothin
[06:50:59] <AndChat|31961> Will jst check pin output
[06:51:21] <zeeshan> before you do that
[06:51:26] <zeeshan> try disabling output 0
[06:51:27] <zeeshan> try disabling output 1
[06:51:28] <zeeshan> i mean
[06:51:33] <zeeshan> and enable the other direction output
[06:51:46] <zeeshan> and set analogout5 = 2
[06:51:53] <zeeshan> maybe the direction does not correspond
[06:51:55] <zeeshan> so it doesnt want to spin
[06:52:22] <AndChat|31961> The output is functioning correctly but nothing on analog
[06:52:48] <zeeshan> can you hook up a multimeter to it
[06:52:54] <zeeshan> and see if youre measuring 2 volts
[06:52:56] <AndChat|31961> U need the = sign?
[06:53:00] <zeeshan> no
[06:53:09] <zeeshan> if you have analogout5 set to 2
[06:53:13] <zeeshan> you should be outputting 2v
[06:53:15] <AndChat|31961> There is 0 volts on it
[06:53:58] <AndChat|31961> Zip nada ziltch zero
[06:53:59] <zeeshan> the mesa7i77 card
[06:53:59] <zeeshan> has
[06:54:02] <zeeshan> green light ojn?
[06:54:13] <zeeshan> on
[06:54:24] <AndChat|31961> Yup.. the 7i77 is working perfectly apart frm that
[06:54:42] <zeeshan> do you have anything hooked up
[06:54:56] <zeeshan> to analogout 4?
[06:55:12] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... ill try it
[06:55:16] <zeeshan> yea worth a shot
[06:55:58] <zeeshan> silly q, but are you probing bnetween analogout and ground right?
[06:57:03] <AndChat|31961> Probing between aout and the gnd pin nxt to it
[06:57:17] <zeeshan> ok
[06:59:41] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... tried probing 3 and nothing there either
[06:59:49] <zeeshan> okay wtf.
[06:59:50] <zeeshan> lol
[06:59:57] <zeeshan> you have a servo hooked up to analogout3?
[07:00:05] <AndChat|31961> Yet 0,1 and 2 seem to drive servos so must work
[07:00:32] <zeeshan> do your servos need to be enabled
[07:00:40] <zeeshan> to work
[07:00:43] <zeeshan> servo drives that is
[07:00:47] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... tried setting 3 and probing it tho
[07:00:58] <zeeshan> the only thing i can think of is..
[07:01:44] <zeeshan> maybe you want to enable
[07:01:56] <zeeshan> im trying to remember
[07:02:04] <zeeshan> i recall that mine just showed the voltage
[07:02:38] <zeeshan> you dont have any voltage set
[07:02:45] <zeeshan> for analogout0, 1,2 right
[07:02:53] <AndChat|31961> Enable what exactly
[07:03:03] <zeeshan> hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[07:03:08] <zeeshan> be careful!
[07:03:20] <zeeshan> if you dont have the servos tuned
[07:03:33] <zeeshan> or have voltage set on the analgout 0 1 2
[07:03:41] <zeeshan> where your servos are connected, you will have axis movement!
[07:05:05] <AndChat|31961> If u r sayin servos 0 1 and 2, if enabled they will move
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[07:05:43] <zeeshan> im saying if you have hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout0 , hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout1 or hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout2
[07:05:49] <zeeshan> set to a value other than 0 they will move
[07:06:05] <zeeshan> since you already had the jogging working in linuxcnc,
[07:06:16] <zeeshan> your drives must be tuned so i dont think you will get much dirft
[07:06:17] <AndChat|31961> If that is set, and the enable is set they will move
[07:06:17] <zeeshan> *drift
[07:06:27] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: exactly
[07:06:35] <zeeshan> if theyre set to 10
[07:06:42] <zeeshan> they'll move at full speed
[07:06:45] <zeeshan> or -10
[07:07:37] <AndChat|31961> They r not tuned yet, but they rnt doin anything nasty
[07:07:47] <zeeshan> you should be fine
[07:08:08] <zeeshan> when i was first testing my stuff out
[07:08:14] <zeeshan> i had my hand near the e-stop :)
[07:10:30] <AndChat|31961> Ok... so. We (I) am doing something wrong
[07:10:54] <AndChat|31961> When i analog2 same... 0 volts
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[07:11:06] <zeeshan> okay
[07:11:08] <zeeshan> that must mean
[07:11:15] <zeeshan> analogena must be 1
[07:11:30] <zeeshan> sorry , its been a little while since ive tested like this :)
[07:11:39] <AndChat|31961> Im jst tryin to start linuxcnc again
[07:11:47] <AndChat|31961> It errored me so reboot
[07:12:50] <AndChat|31961> Ok... so servos r all still workin
[07:12:51] <AndChat|31961> Phew
[07:13:27] <zeeshan> i guess you just need to set hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena 1
[07:13:32] <AndChat|31961> Im gonna have to quit for the nite and pick up again moro
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[07:14:42] <Cromaglious> argh... solvespace want libfltk_gl.a and I don't have it
[07:15:53] <AndChat|31961> Thx for yr help so far
[07:15:59] <zeeshan> np
[07:16:30] <AndChat|31961> Im in pncconfig jst checkin i havent set up anythin wrong
[07:16:40] <AndChat|31961> There is no encoder on spindle yet
[07:18:10] <AndChat|31961> Not many options in there for me to stuff up tho
[07:19:05] <bobo_> what brand of mill ? are you working on
[07:19:54] <zeeshan> bobo send me some tg100 collets
[07:19:54] <AndChat|31961> Cincinnati arrrow 500
[07:20:47] <bobo_> PetefromTn has similar . i think
[07:23:06] <bobo_> tg 100 arn't those for very small dia. .... working on watches now?
[07:23:14] <zeeshan> no
[07:23:16] <zeeshan> :P
[07:23:17] <zeeshan> theyre big
[07:24:43] <zeeshan> gnite! :P
[07:25:31] <bobo_> oh i remember ,your almost free tool holder deal
[07:25:54] <bobo_> nite
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[07:45:25] <Cromaglious> wooo any ER11's even ER16 you wanna get rid of ;)
[07:45:49] <Cromaglious> nitey nites
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[07:46:48] <Cromaglious> I can't find a source for those er11's or er16s collet chucks the chinese put on all there spindles
[07:47:10] <archivist> you are not trying hard :)
[07:47:16] <archivist> fleabay
[07:47:58] <Cromaglious> found them... wasn't using the magic word chuck
[07:49:57] <Cromaglious> ER11 16mm shank, 6mm thru hole
[07:50:52] <archivist> some thing like I used http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_10_20_Tool_grinder/IMG_1382.JPG
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[07:52:09] <archivist> the run out on the cheap ER stuff is not that good though
[07:53:11] <Cromaglious> I'm not doing your stuff... most of my stuff 0.001 TIR is good enough
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[07:55:29] <Cromaglious> so you get any closer to figuring out the root width?
[07:55:55] <archivist> not bothering at the moment, I need to feed
[07:56:12] <Cromaglious> I finally got to bed about 5:20am here it's 23:55 now
[07:56:23] <Cromaglious> got up at 0950
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[07:56:44] <georgenz> Zeeshan... r u still here?
[07:57:01] <archivist> I am thinking the machine needs a 6th axis to make bevel work easier
[07:57:19] <Cromaglious> not sure zee may have gone to bed
[07:57:49] <georgenz> Yup... im abt there too. Been workin on my machine all day. Close but no cigar
[07:58:22] <archivist> you can see the rotation of the smaller rotary http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_11_bevel/IMG_1632.JPG a pain to set up
[07:58:37] <Cromaglious> been trying all day to get solvespace compiled... hangup now is libfltk_gl.a
[07:58:55] <archivist> are you putting it on linux?
[08:00:23] <Cromaglious> trying
[08:00:49] <Cromaglious> ahh spin the blue
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[08:01:31] <Cromaglious> quite the 5 axis you have going there, and yes the 6th would really help
[08:01:35] <Deejay> moin
[08:01:55] <Cromaglious> top of the morn to you Deejay
[08:02:15] <Cromaglious> how big is the blue rotary?
[08:02:19] <archivist> so the right rotary has the root taper angle, was too lazy to do the maths to leave at 90 degrees
[08:03:34] <archivist> I do try to reduce the maths I need to think about
[08:03:52] <Cromaglious> that a 6" rotary table?
[08:04:12] <Cromaglious> or 150mm
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[08:06:29] <archivist> right is a 4 " vertex the left is a 6" copy
[08:07:41] <archivist> the lack of right hand support is a real problem needs a block and bearing
[08:08:17] <Cromaglious> there I go, 150mm x 16mm shaft with a ER16. make a bearing block and put a pully on top the drive it with a treadmill motor for a spindle
[08:09:13] <renesis> archivist: haha wtf
[08:09:16] <renesis> awesome
[08:09:33] <archivist> whenever using ER colletts make sure your blank reaches full depth of the collett
[08:09:57] <renesis> to keep from grooving the ID?
[08:10:08] <Cromaglious> http://www.ebay.com/itm/C16-ER16A-200L-Straight-shank-Collet-Chuck-Holder-toolholder-CNC-Lathe-MILLING-/161303499118
[08:10:12] <renesis> or warping the fingers, or what
[08:10:14] <Cromaglious> 200mm long even better
[08:10:35] <archivist> nah, very springy and run out of truth is item is short
[08:10:40] <renesis> i have ER16 and i always push tools past the ends but honestly i dont know exactly why it just seems like a good idea
[08:10:42] <archivist> is/if
[08:11:07] <renesis> oh like they can get pushed into a weird angle?
[08:11:08] <Cromaglious> always do here... easy to get longer tools
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[08:11:15] <Cromaglious> yep
[08:11:30] <archivist> if the taper is not in contact all the way very inaccurate
[08:11:42] <Cromaglious> just barely past is good enough
[08:11:43] <renesis> my smaller collets dont have full length ID, makes 1/8" shank stuff easy to deal with
[08:12:38] <renesis> doesnt seem to be a problem with larger stuff, usually try and stick them in almost to the flutes if i can get away with it for a part
[08:13:20] <Cromaglious> renesis that URL I posted is a ER16 collet chuck with a 16mm shaft long enough to be a spindle shaft.
[08:13:35] <Cromaglious> almost 8"
[08:13:41] <renesis> oh wtf
[08:13:56] <renesis> pretty hardcore, yo
[08:14:01] <archivist> I put a holder in the lathe put in a collett and a bit of bar then another er holder on that the run out was....terrible
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[08:14:58] <renesis> yeah mine just has ER16 mounted to a shaft thats pressed into a pair of bearings like 4" apart
[08:15:20] <Cromaglious> hmm ER11 with a 8mm 150mm long shaft...
[08:15:32] <Cromaglious> fun part is now finding the bearings
[08:15:59] <renesis> are those open shafts or solid?
[08:16:00] <Cromaglious> time to get a QCTP and some nicer boring bars
[08:16:41] <Cromaglious> I think the longer ones are solid... they don't show an end though
[08:17:55] <renesis> just says straight shank so thats what id assume
[08:18:07] <georgenz> Anyone got ideas for what to try. Im tryin to setup my spindle on 7i77. Servos all working well. But i cnt get the analog out workin on the spindle. Im using tb5 for it, been trying all day with no luck. Im not at workshop now, jst wanting ideas to try in the morning
[08:18:23] <renesis> i dont remember why having the open shaft was useful, but i def remember knocking something out with the long hex key couple times
[08:18:58] <renesis> georgenz: do you have a scope?
[08:19:50] <renesis> dmm is prob enough but you wont be able to see any noise or junk if its there
[08:20:28] <georgenz> Yup.
[08:20:37] <georgenz> Have been using dmm
[08:20:49] <renesis> i think you mentioned the spindle working when fed voltage directly, so i would start troubleshooting connections and configs
[08:21:06] <renesis> is the pin dead with a DMM?
[08:21:38] <georgenz> If i put a 1.5v battery on wires to vfd, it runs
[08:21:52] <Cromaglious> I just ordered 2 new "mach3 interface board"s lpt breakouts.. I think I killed mine
[08:22:02] <georgenz> With dmm tb5 reads 0 between analogout and gnd
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[08:22:38] <georgenz> I think its a config issue
[08:22:55] <renesis> are the servo drives using analog out?
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[08:24:45] <georgenz> Yup
[08:25:09] <georgenz> They r running -10 - +10V
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[08:25:28] <georgenz> Spindle running 0 to +10V
[08:25:30] <renesis> yeah i would try and get some help tomorrow going through the configs
[08:26:25] <renesis> would be super unlucky to just have that one pin fuck up
[08:26:32] <renesis> everything else working
[08:26:51] <georgenz> Esp since i tried analog 4 and 3 also
[08:27:32] <renesis> well, you could try swapping servos onto the outputs that arent working
[08:27:48] <renesis> and moving config over, and you could confirm as a config issues
[08:27:56] <renesis> but that kind of sounds like making a mess
[08:28:16] <georgenz> Does since they r working perfect right now
[08:28:25] <renesis> ya
[08:28:29] <georgenz> Dont wanna play too much!
[08:28:31] <renesis> if not broke...
[08:28:50] <renesis> yeah sounds like everything else working
[08:29:31] <georgenz> Its gonna b somethin stupid knowing me
[08:29:42] <renesis> dude it always is
[08:29:55] <renesis> fuckin semicolon or decimal place or something
[08:30:23] <renesis> big problems are usually pretty easy to see, haha
[08:30:40] <georgenz> U mean because of the smoke??
[08:31:06] <renesis> i do electronics stuff, so ya
[08:31:21] <renesis> tho mostly you hear the problems before you see them
[08:31:34] <renesis> if thats not the case, youre probably blind in a spot
[08:32:11] <georgenz> Took me an embarrassingly long time to get vfd setup tho. Its not finished, but running
[08:32:44] <georgenz> Like a 100 page quickstart guide in tiny txt
[08:33:03] <renesis> heheh
[08:33:51] <georgenz> They r all like that tho... i setup a bonfig drive a while back and the option that stopped it working was option number 432
[08:34:31] <georgenz> Why the hell does any motor drive have 500 options and doesnt just work when u get it is beyond me
[08:35:26] <renesis> because its not integrated, up to the end user to figure it out so more options is more likely to work in more situations
[08:36:05] <renesis> if everyone had an iCNC running iOS, im sure drivers would be click, working
[08:36:27] <archivist> never
[08:36:41] <renesis> thats where 3d printing is headed
[08:36:53] <archivist> that would be iFuchdUp
[08:37:07] <renesis> i dont think metal removal will ever become widespread in home settings
[08:37:09] <archivist> there is no universal answer
[08:38:10] <renesis> if there was machinists would wake up the next day and make something else, anyway
[08:38:17] <renesis> just because
[08:38:50] <bobo_> georgenz any thing in here that might help ? http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/
[08:38:53] <archivist> I think that holy grail of an easy setup to suit all is a complete mistake
[08:39:21] <renesis> well, itd be a compromised system
[08:39:34] <renesis> so kind of by definition, not that awesome
[08:40:04] <renesis> i think wood shops could aproach that kind of solution
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[08:40:26] <renesis> machines in that world do things way more consistently
[08:41:03] <renesis> smaller range of envelopes too
[08:41:58] <renesis> for metal work, youre pretty much working from watch internals to building size grinders
[08:42:27] <renesis> its like how you cant make an apple pc just using apple pcs
[08:42:48] <archivist> 3d printers vary from concrete house making to home toys
[08:43:01] <renesis> right but its a lot less messy
[08:43:14] <renesis> and a lot less dangerous
[08:43:32] <renesis> like, i feel qualified to work on a lathe because im scared shitless of lathes
[08:43:37] <archivist> nah there are 5axis metal spray machines too
[08:43:45] <renesis> walk up to a mill, no issues way confident, mill is fren
[08:44:01] <renesis> lathe is like, hey watch out i might eat you because yeah, im a lathe
[08:44:20] <renesis> archivist: i just mean DFM
[08:44:22] <archivist> both are as dangerous
[08:44:33] <renesis> which im not a fan of for fast prototyping
[08:44:56] <renesis> right but theres something about rotating the work versus rotating the tool
[08:45:18] <archivist> I use both lathes an mills, my horizontal mill spat out 40lbs of metal one day
[08:45:34] <renesis> also tools near chucks just strikes me as crazier than cutters near tables and fixtures
[08:45:39] <archivist> bolt it down tight!
[08:45:44] <renesis> yeah totally
[08:45:54] <renesis> and mill is not a toy, no shop machines are
[08:46:00] <renesis> simplest ones can be the scariest
[08:46:17] <renesis> but like, im okay with a mill
[08:47:25] <archivist> I stopped a lathe rather quick one day, the chuck unscrewed
[08:47:26] <renesis> but yeah, i would worry about a 80 lb teenage girl working a full size engine lathe
[08:47:48] <renesis> i wouldnt worry about an 80 lb girl working a 3d printer
[08:47:59] <renesis> you can have a 3d printer in a living room
[08:48:21] <renesis> i had a micro mill in a room with carpet for awhile, it sucked
[08:49:22] <renesis> so yeah, i think 3d printing will end up like easy bake ovens
[08:50:00] <renesis> when they start doing food with them if people dont buy them restaurants will
[08:50:02] <archivist> a certain part of that market sure but I would never generalise
[08:50:22] <renesis> yeah i dont think itll happen in industry
[08:50:46] <renesis> not like accountants and product designers will all die off
[08:51:02] <archivist> they should
[08:51:04] <georgenz> There is a lot of good stuff in that link thx
[08:51:27] <archivist> bad accountants are bad
[08:51:42] <renesis> well, wait until they tell their bosses china doesnt work anymore
[08:51:43] <archivist> easily kill good companies
[08:51:50] <renesis> then they can die
[08:51:58] <renesis> so 2-5 years in a lot of cases
[08:52:40] <archivist> china is cheaper, kill the workers, oops transport is expensive, restart local production
[08:52:58] <renesis> basically
[08:53:33] <renesis> were building engineering departments over there and filling them with chinese engineers
[08:53:46] <renesis> its not like that shit or those people will dissolve when we leave
[08:54:13] <archivist> they also reduce ranges to just the popular in shops distribution companies thus killing the user base, they dont have the item user wants
[08:54:18] <renesis> like, by the time we get manufacturing back, well suck at engineering
[08:54:33] <renesis> but thatll work out because well be india and chinas working class
[08:54:39] <renesis> no more complaining about no jobs
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[08:56:12] <archivist> I am complaining about no work!
[08:56:23] <renesis> no things arent bad yet!
[08:56:31] <renesis> there will be work when things are bad!
[08:56:35] <archivist> they are for me
[08:56:45] <renesis> they can get worse
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[08:56:55] <archivist> £4 earned so far this week
[08:57:19] <gonzo__> have noticed that our company are bringing production slowly back home. As we ended up with just as many people who were originally employed to build kit, being requied to fix the poor quality, or wrongly speced stuff that was built in china etc
[08:57:33] <bobo_> georgenz: the link...probely only goog for some compare and contras , PetefromTn has Arrow 500 ....PCW is the person to ask about the boards
[08:57:48] <renesis> gonzo__: right it makes sense on paper, the 'plan'
[08:58:07] <renesis> but shit never goes right, eventually youre just stuck there because thats where supply chain is
[08:58:21] <renesis> but accountants are figuring out its not making money anymore
[08:58:41] <georgenz> Thx bobo
[08:58:56] <georgenz> Cant wait for the morning to hit it again
[08:59:25] <gonzo__> in reality, half the issues were bugs in our designs. But building them extrernally, you don't see it till it's done. Locally, the designers catch these things quicker, and can verbally fix it inmmediatlty
[09:00:01] <renesis> thats built in to process places i work for
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[09:00:15] <renesis> minimum you expect like two rounds of fuckups before you build something you can sell
[09:00:48] <renesis> but yeah, between shipping delays, manufacturer fuckups, blatant dishonesty and shady paperwork
[09:01:05] <renesis> shipping your engineers 5000 miles away 10 times a year
[09:01:29] <renesis> bet its killed more companies than its made money
[09:01:39] <renesis> meanwhile, china is getting good at making stuff
[09:01:50] <gonzo__> our stuff is small qty, so there is no real trial batches. So lots of fettling on the way. Can't do that if it;s not under your nose
[09:01:53] <renesis> if you pay them and babysit they do a great job
[09:02:07] <renesis> yeah thats tough
[09:02:25] <renesis> you dont have lots of swing in the factory or with the supply chain there
[09:03:11] <gonzo__> yep, we've been hit by grey market comonente as well. When you are nolonger in control of your parts purchasing
[09:03:14] <renesis> the other end of the spectrum is when you ship half a million units a year, and its all coming out of one factory
[09:03:46] <renesis> one fire, one pissed of manager, who knows, your whole business trashed
[09:04:04] <renesis> but kickbacks, so fuckit right
[09:04:10] <renesis> baby gotta go to college
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[09:05:18] <renesis> ha, its sucks because i see MADE IN THE USA and my first thought is, wow what corners did they have to cut to compete
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[09:09:30] <Cromaglious> vinland engineering in florida will engineer it here, have the mechanicals made in asia, bring it back here, install the firmware, then deliver. They never let the firmware get to asia
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[09:10:50] <renesis> thats smart
[09:11:09] <renesis> companies i work for usually direct ship
[09:11:24] <Cromaglious> they control about 60% of the vending machine engineering here in the US
[09:11:33] <renesis> so like, other than samples of first run, goes straight from factory to distributor
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[09:12:15] <renesis> you basically need to ship the firmware there because the product needs to go through full testing
[09:12:28] <Cromaglious> if there is firmware... it goes out the door to a competing company and before you know it, your under bid and lose all the business
[09:12:42] <renesis> and yeah i guess company i work for now does a lot of local manufacturing
[09:12:58] <renesis> but its their low run high cost products
[09:13:37] <archivist> I had some protection in my firmware :) two people asked me why the firmware did not work in standard hardware :)
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[09:14:19] <Cromaglious> I'm gonna be saving my money fr the next couple of month, then get a quick change tool post for my lathe. A chinese 250-100 qctp
[09:14:31] <archivist> the printer would throw the head to fast across the carriage
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[09:15:27] <Cromaglious> hehe certain resistors had to be certain values? if the firmware didn't read a certain value range, off to the races?
[09:15:46] <archivist> hard to reverse engineer because I used the text in the name printing as a constant in the servo loop
[09:16:16] <archivist> and a solder short on the pcb
[09:16:26] <Cromaglious> hehe couldn't change the name
[09:16:50] <archivist> and read the data indirectly
[09:17:00] <Cromaglious> we wrote our code for the super nintendo to reconize developement systems and refuse to run...
[09:17:23] <Cromaglious> 90% of the code was compressed and encrypted
[09:17:26] <renesis> haha thats so mean!
[09:17:39] <renesis> dev units are bonus pay for techs
[09:18:43] <Cromaglious> the copy protection nintendo used for carts was basiccally a capacitence /resister network...
[09:19:21] <Cromaglious> sheesh that was 22 years ago..
[09:19:23] <renesis> so you had to copy hardware too?
[09:20:24] <Cromaglious> had to hack a cart to get developement version to run from socketed eproms
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[09:21:10] <Cromaglious> so we could drop off an eval copy to the publisher as required without packing along the snasm system (dev box)
[09:21:12] <renesis> and hacking a cart literally meant tweaking RC values??
[09:21:20] <Cromaglious> yep
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[09:21:47] <renesis> heh, vintage h4x
[09:22:00] <Cromaglious> we'd burn games onto our cart and play them to get ideas
[09:22:02] <renesis> did they at least use good caps?
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[09:22:19] <renesis> seems like carts would eventually stop working
[09:22:27] <moorbo> was anything good in the 80s and 90s?
[09:22:28] <renesis> like, 10-20 years
[09:22:29] <Swapper> hi all
[09:22:30] <Cromaglious> decent caps.. non electrolidic
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[09:22:49] <moorbo> renesis: you'd think..but they keep going
[09:22:51] <renesis> right bit overkill for timing constants
[09:22:57] <Cromaglious> renesis, that was the tinning on the edge connector...
[09:23:19] <renesis> i know ive fixed a few
[09:23:26] <renesis> pretty awesome to not have to do the wiggle
[09:23:55] <renesis> and that started happening waaaaaay before the caps would have drifted that far
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[09:24:04] <archivist> never use electrolytic for timing
[09:24:12] <Swapper> made some finds today on the scrapyard, two reversingheads (i think), incerts, reamers , chuck 26kg of stuff for about 15$
[09:24:29] <archivist> others dont drift substantially
[09:24:38] <Cromaglious> I think we found some gold plated card edge at the right pitch and soldered those onto our dev cards
[09:24:51] <archivist> scrap yards can be very useful
[09:24:59] <renesis> this is nes or snes?
[09:25:04] <Swapper> yea fore shure
[09:25:22] <Cromaglious> snes 65816 chip wonderful chip BTW
[09:25:54] <archivist> 6502 the original RISC
[09:25:55] <Swapper> i whent there to find some cable to connect a Kollmorgen Comcoder servo motor
[09:26:03] <Cromaglious> and the Sony sound module, got some code written that would take midi files and play them
[09:26:08] <Swapper> found a 18 wire cable atleast
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[09:26:45] <archivist> I would want separate power lines to encoder
[09:26:53] <Cromaglious> 65816 boots up as a 6502
[09:27:07] <Swapper> archivist: what do you mean ?
[09:27:19] <Swapper> archivist: the power to the servo is its own cable
[09:27:35] <archivist> servo noise coupling to data
[09:27:36] <Cromaglious> so inductance doesn't put noise into our data lines and give false readings
[09:27:48] <Cromaglious> s/our/your/
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[09:28:12] <Swapper> its ac servo so its two cables to the servo
[09:28:43] <Swapper> but i have to make a new connector housing since i cant find the darn connectors
[09:29:00] <renesis> connectors are stupid
[09:29:11] <renesis> solder all the things, cover in hot glue
[09:29:19] <Swapper> yea the ones on the Kollmorgen stuff is some not used so often brand
[09:29:35] <renesis> you need like 5mm of hotglue for every 1000V
[09:30:25] <Swapper> yea i will make a permanet connection to the motor and then make the plugs in my controll cabinet
[09:30:42] <Swapper> its Dsub 15 for the encoder at that side
[09:30:45] <Swapper> so thats great
[09:30:47] <Swapper> cheap
[09:31:01] <Swapper> only need to find a 400vac rated 3phase connector
[09:31:11] <Swapper> to put in the chassies
[09:33:11] <Cromaglious> 65816 could address 16MB of Ram in 64K chunks, ok you could play bank switching a bit... swap 32K in and out as required. on the SNES 0-32K was hardware, 32k-64K was ram, you had 128K of ram just below 8MB, ROM was all over the place and you had some 'fast' ram at over 0x80000, then ROM and you had to work with nintendo to see if they would give you fast ROM's
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[09:35:19] <Cromaglious> you could have a 32KB game, 64KB, 128K, or 256KB really hard to get them to spring for anything over 128KB
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[09:35:38] <Cromaglious> hmm I got something wrong..
[09:35:40] <renesis> cromaglious: you ever seen any of kevtris's stuff?
[09:35:47] <Cromaglious> nope
[09:36:38] <Cromaglious> kewl Friday I get to play on the 3040 again and this time I have a 1/4" corncob (1/4 roughing end mill)
[09:36:53] <renesis> http://blog.kevtris.org/
[09:37:05] <renesis> does a lot of emulation hardware stuff
[09:37:46] <renesis> i guess latest thing is an HDMI output modules for NES that has bunch of sound chips emulated
[09:39:20] <renesis> you have 1/4" roughing endmills?
[09:40:03] <renesis> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/53278-hertel-rougher-finisher-regular-length-hss-3-flute-roughing-end-mills.html
[09:40:06] <renesis> cool
[09:40:45] <Cromaglious> 4 flute
[09:42:30] <renesis> yeah i never really thought to look for little ones
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[09:52:38] <Cromaglious> I had to buy a 1/4 er11 collet and now I have a 1/4" end mill to go in ti
[09:52:46] <Cromaglious> s/ti/it
[09:56:29] <Cromaglious> wow this is whack... http://thefreethoughtproject.com
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[11:37:08] <MacGalempsy> morning again
[11:37:21] <MacGalempsy> just about done with work for the night! woohoo!
[11:38:03] <Deejay> morning MacGalempsy
[11:38:28] * Deejay already had lunch
[11:38:29] <MacGalempsy> Hi Deejay. It is indeed morning here, but it is the end of my day! lol
[11:38:41] <MacGalempsy> << works graveyard shift
[11:39:41] <Deejay> uuh
[11:40:23] <SpeedEvil> http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/12/105/20141326 composites are awesome.
[11:40:35] <SpeedEvil> (limpet teeth as strong as carbon fibre)
[11:40:55] <MacGalempsy> Deejay: its not so bad. get to meet a lot of cool people from around the world while working nights
[11:41:31] <MacGalempsy> SpeedEvil: I guess they would have to be strong to grip onto rocks
[11:42:53] <SpeedEvil> The sucker grips rocks
[11:43:07] <SpeedEvil> the teeth are used to rasp algae and lichen off the rock
[11:44:03] <MacGalempsy> I got a shell from a tide pool near santa cruz when I was a kid. still have it. they are cool
[11:45:06] <MacGalempsy> I'll have to get out my scanning electron microscope to look at the teeth
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[11:46:34] * SpeedEvil needs a SEM.
[11:46:38] <SpeedEvil> Also a GC/MS.
[11:46:42] <SpeedEvil> And minions.
[11:47:52] <Deejay> :D
[11:49:14] <MacGalempsy> notice none of the authors had 3letter iniitials after their names?
[11:49:21] <MacGalempsy> Minions!
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[11:50:04] <__rob> Hello
[11:50:08] <__rob> about to upgrade my couplers
[11:50:17] <__rob> just wanted to check here first if its better to get Spider or Oldham style
[11:50:37] <__rob> seems the Oldham ones are nicer for parallel axial mialignment
[11:50:46] <__rob> not sure if the spider ones cater for that
[11:52:29] <jthornton> my guess not knowing where your going to use the couplers is you need zero backlash couplers
[11:53:43] <archivist_herron> I happen to use oldham style as the plastic is a tight ish fit
[11:53:58] <archivist_herron> if made properly
[11:54:05] <__rob> yea, I want zero backlash
[11:54:10] <__rob> I have helical ones at the moment
[11:54:15] <__rob> and i can see them wind up and down
[11:54:30] <__rob> so i want rid of that
[11:55:06] <__rob> so from what i have read, spider and oldham style are both zero backlash
[11:55:21] <__rob> but spider caters for angular misalignment, oldham for parrallel ?
[11:55:24] <__rob> is this correct
[11:55:31] <archivist_herron> that if I remember is compression due to lack of proper ballscrew mointing
[11:55:55] <__rob> yea, well the leadscrew mount is very bad
[11:56:00] <__rob> I am replacing that aswll
[11:56:08] <__rob> I did what I could by hand, but I want to mill a V2
[11:56:24] <archivist_herron> helical is ok
[11:56:50] <__rob> I'd rather have something htat hasn't even got the potential for wind up though
[11:56:55] <__rob> so wondering which of these 2 to get
[11:56:57] <__rob> spider or oldham
[11:57:04] <__rob> its a small mill
[11:59:50] <jthornton> you got a link to those couplings, I don't know them by those names
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[12:03:46] <archivist_herron> this style iirc http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-6-6-35-8mm-Flexible-Shaft-Coupling-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Coupler-ConnectorD19L25-/360953081039
[12:04:51] <archivist_herron> iirc his ballscrew thrust is on the stepper through the coupling hence the compression
[12:07:15] <_methods> the only way you'll get "0" backlash is a direct drive keyed shaft directly mounted to the motor
[12:07:33] <jthornton> ah he wants to use the stepper motor bearings for his thrust bearings...
[12:07:36] <_methods> all couplers inherently have some backlash
[12:08:06] <_methods> a solid couple will give you the least backlash
[12:08:41] <jthornton> http://ondrivesus.com/articles/zero-backlash-shaft-coupling.htm
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[12:10:10] <archivist_herron> bellows have a lower torque limit, some care needed for them
[12:10:21] <jthornton> http://www.zero-max.com/stainless-steel-single-flex-screw-couplings-p-53-l-en.html
[12:10:47] <skunkworks> zero backlash.. http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/adaptfinal1.JPG
[12:11:11] <archivist_herron> alignment is fun if you get multiple bearings in line
[12:11:32] <_methods> fun = nightmare
[12:12:56] <archivist_herron> I have a crankshaft alignment tool for outer bearing other side of the flywheel
[12:13:03] <skunkworks> quite a few people have broken shafts off steppers from hard coupling
[12:13:56] <_methods> something has to give
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[12:14:32] <archivist_herron> or set up for less that a thou of bend
[12:18:34] <CaptHindsight> __rob: http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part1.aspx http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part2.aspx
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[12:21:35] <CaptHindsight> for servos you generally find Oldham couplings and not spiders
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[12:23:25] <CaptHindsight> tuning a PID for soft spiders would be challenging for the beginner
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[12:38:52] <archivist_herron> plastic on the oldhams is hard enough
[12:42:27] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORIv7K4Mtk
[12:48:31] <skunkworks> loves the tool preveiw.
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[12:55:03] <_methods> yeah that is nice
[12:55:15] <_methods> you don't have to go to another simulation window or anything
[12:55:17] <_methods> does it right there
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[12:56:08] <_methods> did that sprutcam used to be esprit?
[12:56:32] <_methods> nm esprit is still esprit
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[13:23:18] <Tom_itx> http://www.st.com/web/en/seminar/design-tips-for-driving-dc-bldc-motors?sc=dc-bldc-webinar
[13:23:23] <Tom_itx> if anybody's interested
[13:23:45] <malcom2073> DC BLDC? :P
[13:23:52] <malcom2073> Oh, DC & BLDC heh
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[13:45:37] <_methods> wow that's a quicky
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[14:32:20] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/A0Iyl#0 SNOW!! ;)
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[14:33:15] <jdh> bummer
[14:33:44] <jdh> I went bikung last night until the sleet got too bad.
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[14:34:47] <_methods> man that looks cold
[14:35:02] <PetefromTn_> I drove my wife to work in her trooper this morning
[14:35:10] <PetefromTn_> the roads in town were clear
[14:35:21] <PetefromTn_> but there were a couple cars in ditches
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[14:35:43] <PetefromTn_> and a big dozer was pulling them out on a large hill near my house
[14:36:17] <PetefromTn_> honestly what is really funny is it felt a LOT colder last week when we did not have any snow. this morning it was kinda nice outside..
[14:36:40] <_methods> hehe it's not the heat it's the humidity
[14:37:40] <PetefromTn_> its actually quite nice outside even tho it is like 29 degrees somehow hehe
[14:37:56] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of when I went skiing in tahoe
[14:38:12] <PetefromTn_> there were people wearing tee shirts and shorts while skiing
[14:38:21] <PetefromTn_> weird
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[14:41:53] <_methods> is chinese new year over yet
[14:42:02] <_methods> i need to get some cheap laser collimator lenses
[14:42:19] <PetefromTn_> I think we need a month long new years celebration...
[14:42:34] <_methods> we have one it's black history month
[14:42:40] <archivist> I just want the beer
[14:43:05] <PetefromTn_> some tsing tao?
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[14:47:29] <_methods> https://gigaom.com/2015/02/24/want-fiber-do-more-to-get-it-google-exec-tells-cities/
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[15:01:45] <ninho> i want extract some files .zip in una directory,no one know the shell comand?
[15:02:14] <_methods> unzip -e filename
[15:02:59] <_methods> http://linux.die.net/man/1/unzip
[15:03:16] <ninho> ive many zip and i want puy it in one directory
[15:03:56] <_methods> unzip \*.zip
[15:04:51] <_methods> unzip \*.zip -d dir you want
[15:05:04] <_methods> i think -d will do it you need to read the man page
[15:06:42] <ninho> thanks man work it ;)
[15:06:51] <_methods> np
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[16:06:47] <ssi> morn
[16:07:07] <_methods> wud up
[16:07:16] <ssi> nutn
[16:07:25] <ssi> couldn't get out of my driveway today
[16:07:29] <_methods> wow
[16:07:33] <ssi> because teh road was covered in semi trucks full of racecars
[16:07:38] <ssi> :'(
[16:07:41] <_methods> wtf is that all about ?
[16:07:49] <ssi> nascar race this weekend
[16:07:56] <_methods> oh
[16:08:09] <_methods> you live by the track?
[16:08:13] <ssi> yes
[16:08:18] <_methods> you sell parking lol
[16:08:29] <ssi> ugh the landlord tends to less RV parking
[16:08:37] <ssi> and he fills up the areas around my hangars so I can't get in and out
[16:08:38] <ssi> drives me crazy
[16:08:39] <_methods> how convenient
[16:21:20] <_methods> sounds like a good time to put the turret punch on wheels and make some slugs
[16:21:37] <_methods> especially from 1am to 6am
[16:21:52] <Rab> Speed holes!
[16:21:55] <_methods> heheh
[16:22:03] <_methods> thunka thunka thunka thunka
[16:22:17] <_methods> 2" sq punch heheh
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[16:24:43] <ssi> lol
[16:24:56] <XXCoder> heh
[16:25:03] <XXCoder> gonna love press
[16:25:17] <XXCoder> I worked near one that I call "earthquake maker"
[16:25:34] <XXCoder> its so damn loud when cutting thicker sheets (I'd guess 2-3 mm?)
[16:25:43] <_methods> heh 1/4"
[16:25:45] <_methods> loud
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[16:49:13] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PCS-Waterproof-Momentary-Rotary-Roller-Lever-Limit-Switch-ME-8108-NEW-/391040430542
[16:49:18] <_methods> anyone ever try those out?
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[16:50:01] <XXCoder> fancy.
[16:50:07] <_methods> cheap
[16:50:36] <XXCoder> not for me ol I got 3 for few bucks and got e stop and attachment to controller too
[16:50:41] <XXCoder> my machine isnt fancy
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[16:53:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150225-pebble-time-smartwatch-with-3d-print-customization-launches-on-kickstarter.html reaches $8m in 1 day
[16:53:24] <_methods> jesus
[16:53:36] <_methods> people still doing this smartwatch thing
[16:53:51] <CaptHindsight> this might be the largest kickstarter ever
[16:53:59] <ssi> I'm pretty sure it is
[16:54:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yeah probably beats exploding kitten
[16:54:10] <XXCoder> if it did it sure will be short record!
[16:54:10] <ssi> I think the exploding kittens one was the biggest, and it hit 8.2 in 30 days
[16:54:36] <CaptHindsight> early bird offer of $159 for one Pebble Time ?
[16:54:53] <XXCoder> therre is no $1 or $10 something for news. too bad
[16:55:06] <CaptHindsight> I guess it's just for the novelty of it being new
[16:55:14] <_methods> thanks to cell phone with time on it i no longer need a watch
[16:56:20] <XXCoder> though if lots appts its useful _methods
[16:56:35] <XXCoder> directly check appts list without taking phone out
[16:56:40] <CaptHindsight> 3rd generation
[16:56:52] <archivist> which makes me an out of work clockmaker
[16:57:11] <_methods> luckily i haven't reached the level of lazy where i can't reach into my pocket and grab my phone
[16:57:12] <XXCoder> archivist: always wanted proper watch
[16:57:15] <XXCoder> no battery
[16:57:17] <XXCoder> at all.
[16:57:29] <XXCoder> _methods: sometimes thats bad idea to do so
[16:57:34] <XXCoder> like at work
[16:58:17] <archivist> I have a mechanical watch or few (loose and dead in scrap boxes)
[16:58:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150224-hermle-unveils-giant-hybrid-5-axis-metal-3d-printer-cnc-mill-mpa-40.html
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[16:59:25] <XXCoder> new one eh
[17:00:36] <XXCoder> bah hoped for new video
[17:00:40] <XXCoder> but cool nevertheles
[17:00:49] <CaptHindsight> I'm still trying to figure out what the watch does besides tell time
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[17:01:08] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: appointments list
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[17:01:13] <XXCoder> besides dunno
[17:01:21] <CaptHindsight> I had one in the 80's that did that
[17:01:45] <XXCoder> really? never knew 80s had watch with appointments
[17:02:09] <CaptHindsight> is it a wireless display that you push messages to?
[17:02:12] <archivist> casio had some specials
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[17:02:58] <archivist> one would see the flashing on a PC display to program it
[17:02:59] <XXCoder> gonna run, interview. later all
[17:03:06] <XXCoder> archivist: oh yeah!
[17:03:10] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:03:18] <XXCoder> laters wish me luck
[17:03:34] <archivist> break a leg
[17:03:59] <ssi> the only thing about the pebble that's even remotely compelling for me
[17:04:21] <ssi> is the fact that you can get text messages and see who's calling without reaching in your pocket
[17:04:30] <CaptHindsight> it's over $10M right now
[17:04:36] <ssi> when I'm running a lathe for instance, and I get a message, I like to be able to see if it's something worth stopping for
[17:04:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises/description
[17:04:47] <ssi> and all my pants pockets are greasy around the outside from checking my phone while doing machine work
[17:04:50] <ssi> heh
[17:04:51] <archivist> I am immune from kickstarter junk
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[17:05:09] <ssi> that said, I think the pebble itself is an ugly useless piece of equipment and I don't want it
[17:05:11] <_methods> pete leaves to go buy quickstarter junk
[17:06:40] <CaptHindsight> ah so it already has 6500 apps and 26K+ devs
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[17:06:55] <CaptHindsight> that the hook
[17:07:18] <CaptHindsight> you get people to think that they can make money/business of the apps for it
[17:07:25] <CaptHindsight> of/off
[17:07:55] <CaptHindsight> I knew it had to be more than just the watch
[17:08:34] <CaptHindsight> it's like selling picks, shovels and pans to the gold miners
[17:09:17] <archivist> and claims
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[17:10:05] <archivist> I wonder what percentage of the miners broke even
[17:10:22] <CaptHindsight> the numbers were really low
[17:10:43] <CaptHindsight> the suppliers all got wealthy
[17:10:55] <ssi> same with bitcoin
[17:11:04] <archivist> and Apple
[17:11:07] <ssi> only way I made any money at bitcoin was the fact that I designed and built hardware and sold it to people
[17:12:20] <cradek> http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/
[17:12:48] <ssi> lol
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[17:15:19] <CaptHindsight> if bitcoin was legit for a few $million someone in Taiwan could have made ASIC's and cleaned up
[17:17:25] <ssi> someone did
[17:17:28] <ssi> several someones did
[17:17:45] <ssi> I got four engineering samples of one of the early chips and built hardware to run it
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[17:17:58] <ssi> and ended up with five hundred of those chips over the next few months, and had a big farm running
[17:18:04] <CaptHindsight> I mean just kept one step ahead and controlled the game not just selling ASIC boards to miners
[17:18:04] <ssi> in 2013
[17:19:10] <ssi> there was a lot of that too
[17:19:32] <ssi> the guy that designed the asics I used built the worlds biggest private asic mining pool
[17:19:38] <ssi> I think it was like 40% of the network at one point
[17:20:14] <CaptHindsight> there were 2-3 different ASIC announcements, were 2 scams that never shipped?
[17:20:15] <ssi> the hilarious irony of bitcoin... all these communist-minded people had this idea that bitcoin was taking the power of currency back to the proletariat
[17:20:20] <ssi> and natural capitalist patterns emerged
[17:20:23] <ssi> and they got all butthurt about it
[17:20:37] <Rab> Worth noting that "e-paper" was a weasel-word in the context of the original Pebble. It wasn't e-ink, but a comparatively power-hungry persistant LCD technology. Not sure if the color display in the new watch is an extrapolation of the same stuff.
[17:21:16] <Rab> ssi, I thought bitcoin was more of a Libertarian anarcho-capitalist phenomenon.
[17:21:45] <ssi> depends who you ask :)
[17:22:38] <ssi> but the reason that litecoin and all the scrypt variants emerged is because people didn't like the idea that people who had the capital to build asics would eventually crowd out people who only wanted to mine on video cards from best buy
[17:23:45] <CaptHindsight> if the ASIC's gave you the advantage why would anyone sell the ASIC's? :)
[17:23:58] <ssi> there's a couple answers to that
[17:24:01] <CaptHindsight> or actually gave the advantage
[17:24:11] <ssi> asics are manufactured in huge quanitty
[17:24:24] <ssi> and spinning up the infrastructure to run them is hard, time consuming, expensive
[17:24:24] <CaptHindsight> if you want to
[17:24:39] <CaptHindsight> not if you're in Taiwan
[17:24:45] <ssi> you can maximize your profits by taking some percentage of the chips you make and selling them to third parties who will do that work
[17:25:21] <DaViruz> my house just burned down
[17:25:39] <ssi> did it?
[17:25:57] <ssi> was it bitcoin related? or laser?
[17:25:58] <DaViruz> well, in the bitcoin simulator
[17:25:59] <ssi> or 3d printer?
[17:26:01] <ssi> oh
[17:26:27] <DaViruz> it's kind off clever actually
[17:28:10] <CaptHindsight> I need to make a low cost lithography system for ASIC's
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[17:31:56] <CaptHindsight> controlled by Linuxcnc of course
[17:32:56] <ssi> do it
[17:33:01] <ssi> you'll need a wirebonder too
[17:33:53] <CaptHindsight> for ~1 um geometry people could make their own IC's at home
[17:34:11] <ssi> that would be awesome
[17:34:14] <ssi> I'd love to play with something like that
[17:34:54] <CaptHindsight> 10Mhz clocks
[17:38:40] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/370720808856?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0
[17:38:51] <__rob> how zero-backlash are these likely to be ?
[17:38:56] <__rob> with a single nut
[17:39:08] <__rob> also C7.. but C5 looks too expensive
[17:40:00] <__rob> also wondering if I bought 2 nutsand sprung them if this would make it really zero
[17:40:10] <_methods> they make a 2 nut version
[17:40:17] <archivist> C number is the quality
[17:40:35] <__rob> in terms of the variation in the lead etc.. ?
[17:40:42] <_methods> i think it's dfu1605 maybe
[17:40:45] <archivist> and play
[17:40:57] <__rob> right, so I really want to get backlash as small as possible
[17:41:18] <__rob> so the double nut version can be preloaded ?
[17:42:27] <__rob> ughh, googled that dfu1605, first result is $100 for the nut alone
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[17:43:31] <archivist> quality costs
[17:43:39] <_methods> yeah
[17:43:41] <tjtr33> double nut _is_ preloaded, its 2 nuts with a precision shim between. oreo cookie of ballnuts
[17:44:01] <_methods> unfortunately every time you add 0's to your precision you add 0's to the end of the price
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[17:46:18] <ssi> usually more 0's on the price than on the precision :(
[17:46:30] <ssi> it goes up by like cubic orders of magnitude or something
[17:46:41] <archivist> or compensate
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[17:48:09] <dirty_d> i got down to 0.0015" jsut with oversized balls
[17:48:16] <Rab> ...
[17:48:19] <dirty_d> lol
[17:48:37] <dirty_d> have no room for double nuts in my machine anyway
[17:49:22] <archivist> I tend to write unidirectional gcode like a manual miller would use
[17:49:57] <archivist> even write shuffles to remove lash
[17:50:32] <dirty_d> do you compensate depending if climb or conventional milling?
[17:50:45] <__rob> dirty_d did you have to load the nut yourself ?
[17:50:49] <__rob> with replacement balls ?
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[17:51:13] <dirty_d> __rob, yea it was hard at first, but once you do it you start to get really good at it
[17:51:31] <_methods> the chinese ones?
[17:51:37] <_methods> how do you do yours?
[17:51:42] <dirty_d> probably, i used cncfusion.com
[17:51:45] <archivist> dirty_d, usually conventional milling as my machine is not up to climb
[17:51:59] <_methods> does it have a tube on it?
[17:52:03] <dirty_d> i pushed them in one by one with a mini screwdriver or something
[17:52:38] <dirty_d> once you figure out how to do it, it only takes like a couple minutes to load them all.
[17:52:41] <_methods> i just ordered some oversize bearing for mine
[17:52:52] <_methods> so i'm about to have to do the same thing
[17:52:57] <dirty_d> its definitely worth it, the balls are cheap
[17:53:02] <_methods> yeah
[17:53:05] <dirty_d> its just a matter of guessing what size to use
[17:53:08] <dirty_d> it was kinda trial and error
[17:53:10] <_methods> like $5 for 100
[17:53:14] <dirty_d> yea
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[17:55:27] <_methods> was hoping they'd show up today
[17:55:31] <_methods> but chinese new year
[17:56:00] <_methods> 11 months of work and 1 month off
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[17:57:50] <CaptHindsight> a month is for lucky and wealthy to just around a week for the less fortunate
[17:58:24] <CaptHindsight> I'm already getting emails from people back at work there
[18:02:39] <dirty_d> more snow...
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[18:06:11] <ninho> ciao a tutti belli e brutti
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[18:08:05] <_Sync_> CaptHindsight: the litho isn't really the most critical thing
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[18:14:48] <jdh> unrelated: I want to ssh over BT to my android phone and then ssh out from there over gsm. Any suggestions on how?
[18:16:32] <_Sync_> can't you just tether and then ssh directly?
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[18:20:29] <jdh> no
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[18:21:01] <dirty_d> wifi isnt an option?
[18:21:12] <jdh> no
[18:22:07] <dirty_d> then this i guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network
[18:22:09] <CaptHindsight> at 1um we can just inkjet circuits
[18:22:54] <CaptHindsight> but unless I also make the fluids in China not many can afford the $10K/per liter prices
[18:23:06] <SpeedEvil> Sure they can
[18:23:13] <SpeedEvil> If the circuits are 1um
[18:23:24] <SpeedEvil> (resolution)
[18:23:46] <SpeedEvil> You're not going to be printing an A4 page of densely packed 1um circuitry too often
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[18:25:37] <CaptHindsight> it would be several uL per circuit
[18:26:04] <dirty_d> jdh, if you know java it shouldn't be that hard
[18:26:41] <dirty_d> basically just a RFCOMM bt socket on the phone that proxies to a TCP connection
[18:27:00] <_methods> can't most phones BT tether now?
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[18:27:18] <dirty_d> if you make the app so you just set a hostname and port to proxy to, then thats pretty much all you need to do, it should "just work"
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[18:28:04] <jdh> I can't tether
[18:28:11] <_methods> bluetooth tether?
[18:28:27] <_methods> not usb tether
[18:28:29] <jdh> I can't tether via anything
[18:28:34] <_methods> hmm
[18:28:45] <_methods> well that certainly makes it more challenging
[18:28:45] <dirty_d> jdh, if you root it you can if thats an option
[18:28:57] <dirty_d> unless theres another reason
[18:28:58] <jdh> Not rootable either
[18:29:03] <dirty_d> ahh
[18:29:09] <_methods> but your phone has an ssh client
[18:29:20] <_methods> and no internet access?
[18:29:22] <jdh> even rooted, tethering isn't workable
[18:30:59] <jdh> I can BT serial from the PC, thats about it.
[18:31:14] <_methods> hmmm
[18:31:18] <jdh> maybe adb, but probably not
[18:31:48] <dirty_d> are you going to be connecting to the same host/port out from the phone mostly all the time?
[18:32:42] <_methods> ok so your phone has the internet and you want to ssh out through yoru phone sorry had to reread all that
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[18:33:56] <_methods> you might be able to use cu
[18:34:05] <_methods> start a BT serial connection with that
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[18:34:10] <_methods> http://linux.die.net/man/1/cu
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[18:34:39] <_methods> assuming the pc is linux
[18:35:22] <_Sync_> CaptHindsight: it is far cheaper to buy real masks
[18:35:46] <_Sync_> at 1µ they cost around $200 in boro/hardchrome
[18:36:18] <SpeedEvil> I think he may have been meaning not masks, but circuitry
[18:36:21] <SpeedEvil> but I dunno
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[18:37:40] <SpeedEvil> Also - geometry. 1um*($10K/$200) 20ml = 20m^2
[18:38:04] <_Sync_> the most limiting factor is cleanliness, buying MIF chemicals is expensive and annpying to deal with
[18:38:19] <_Sync_> and after that doping
[18:38:22] <mozmck> hmm, this looks like a pretty good deal: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4899641511.html
[18:38:50] <_Sync_> one is basically limited to diffusion which is shit for that technology step
[18:39:16] <_Sync_> and even buying an old ion implanter is super annoying because of the fun gasses
[18:39:20] <_methods> wow $4800
[18:39:27] <SpeedEvil> Also, I point everyone to #homecmos
[18:39:30] <SpeedEvil> which is awesome
[18:39:32] <dirty_d> jdh, wait yea you should be able to use adb to do this
[18:39:48] <SpeedEvil> The aim of #homecmos is to make stuff in the garage using non-toxicish materials
[18:40:46] <_Sync_> that's not a bad deal mozmck
[18:41:18] <mozmck> Wish I had space and spare cash!
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[18:51:59] <anarchos> I really want a machine like that, just need the space! ;)
[18:52:19] <zeeshan> i guess thats parts of the problem
[18:52:21] <zeeshan> they dont specify life
[18:52:50] <_Sync_> depends, with regular bearings you get a failure in millions of revs
[18:52:52] <zeeshan> usually in _american_ catalogs,
[18:52:58] <zeeshan> you get 10^6 cycles
[18:53:06] <zeeshan> at that speed, and load
[18:53:07] <_Sync_> with ballscrews it is harder, but you can just test them
[18:55:24] <zeeshan> if they're failing at rated speed and rated load well before 10^6
[18:55:30] <zeeshan> cycles, i guess theyre not good! :P
[18:55:42] <zeeshan> but most of these companies source their stuff from well known bearing manufacturers
[18:56:06] <zeeshan> so many of the big names get their stuff from china now
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[18:57:56] <zeeshan> i ordered my hydraulic cylinder parts
[18:57:59] <zeeshan> will take 8 weeks! :P
[18:58:24] <_Sync_> sure, but if you compare regular bearings you usually can find differences
[18:58:45] <zeeshan> theres that reliability factor too
[18:58:48] <_Sync_> and with ballscres I have found that the cheap ones either don't hold their preload
[18:58:51] <zeeshan> usually you use 90%
[18:59:03] <zeeshan> lower it down to 50%
[18:59:05] <_Sync_> or cannot acheive their linear precision
[18:59:06] <zeeshan> and you'll be oaky! :P
[18:59:17] <zeeshan> my lathe ones have been working good
[18:59:22] <zeeshan> but im no where close to their rated load and speed
[18:59:27] <_Sync_> I can also just spend 20ct more for a proper bearing
[18:59:35] <zeeshan> ct?
[19:00:01] <_Sync_> with regular bearings it usually is that much, spindle bearings another story
[19:00:46] <zeeshan> spindle bearings are so expensive :[
[19:00:49] <zeeshan> but so precise!
[19:01:34] <zeeshan> http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/procurement/counterfeit-bearings-seized-at-toronto-airport-81870/
[19:01:35] <zeeshan> lol
[19:01:58] <_Sync_> for some application I had to get some small lash free screws
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[19:02:31] <_Sync_> 6x1mm 40mm stroke screw costs around 1k
[19:07:54] <jdh> if you need that, you don't waste time complaining about nut cost
[19:08:19] <zeeshan> :-)
[19:08:30] <jdh> you just buy and move along
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> dude
[19:10:52] <zeeshan> we spent $300
[19:10:56] <zeeshan> on a piece of glass..
[19:11:06] <zeeshan> 2.625"x12.375x 1/8"
[19:11:10] <zeeshan> quartz
[19:11:19] <zeeshan> i thought that was crazy expensive
[19:11:35] <zeeshan> but apparently not to the lab budget!
[19:11:57] <_Sync_> nah, try buying custom bandpass filters
[19:12:39] <ssi> http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/warren-g-and-kenny-g-finally-perform-together.html
[19:12:42] <ssi> ahahah
[19:12:53] <_methods> buwhahahha
[19:12:58] <_methods> i got 5 on it
[19:13:12] <CaptHindsight> speaking of masks, zeeshan did yoiu ever get yours?
[19:13:18] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: no
[19:13:20] <zeeshan> :{
[19:13:33] <zeeshan> im getting eager to try photopolymer
[19:13:43] <zeeshan> so i am going to just laser etch a transperency sheet
[19:13:48] <zeeshan> it only has 1 thou res
[19:13:51] <zeeshan> but thats good enough for now
[19:14:30] <dirty_d> what am i looking at here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-DFU1605-double-ball-nuts-for-ball-screw-RM1605-/111148472553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e0f718e9
[19:14:35] <dirty_d> how are they connected together?
[19:14:47] <_Sync_> seriously, get some quotes from real mask places
[19:14:52] <_Sync_> in 1µ they are cheap as shit
[19:14:53] <_methods> with a metal tab
[19:15:01] <_methods> and screws
[19:15:18] <_methods> preload and screw in place
[19:15:34] <CaptHindsight> looks like nobody has tainted the waters yet by crowdfunding a desktop integrated circuit printer that doesn't work
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[19:15:48] <dirty_d> that shitty looking screw is where you adjust preload?
[19:15:54] <Connor> That nut is WAY expensive. Check with LMB2008
[19:15:57] <_methods> the 2 nuts
[19:16:09] <zeeshan> thats like 2.25x the price
[19:16:32] <_methods> it proably with ballscrew
[19:16:32] <Connor> I think I paid twice that for a total of 3 screws ALL double nutted.
[19:17:06] <dirty_d> this is the kit i have from cncfusion http://www.cncfusion.com/images/G0704/Kit/SDC10448.JPG
[19:17:14] <dirty_d> they look like the same nuts almost
[19:17:19] <_methods> that's for 2 doublenuts
[19:17:30] <zeeshan> those look like nice mounts
[19:17:40] <jdh> is that a go704 kit?
[19:17:40] <dirty_d> whats LMB2008?
[19:17:45] <dirty_d> jdh, yup
[19:17:50] <jdh> nifty
[19:17:52] <Connor> Linear Motion Bearings 2008
[19:17:55] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/linearmotionbearings2008/m.html
[19:17:58] <Connor> He's a ebay seller.
[19:17:58] <zeeshan> contact him
[19:18:14] <_methods> yeah that guy
[19:18:15] <dirty_d> ahh
[19:18:54] * zeeshan is using solid couplings for the motor
[19:19:01] <zeeshan> i wonder how long my stepper bearings last
[19:19:02] <zeeshan> :p
[19:19:03] <Connor> cgxfred@aliyun.com is a email address I have for him if you need to order something not in his ebay store.
[19:19:21] <Connor> His name is Chai
[19:19:51] <Connor> I last dealt with him @ that email address Sep 25 2014
[19:19:52] <zeeshan> package has a ciggarette smell to it
[19:19:54] <zeeshan> fresh from china
[19:20:03] <Connor> Oh.. and is it still Chinese new year?
[19:20:48] <dirty_d> dont see any double nuts in that store
[19:20:55] <zeeshan> you'll need to custom order
[19:20:55] <Connor> and you may be better off ordering a complete screw turned correctly with the double nut installed.. They really need to to be matched up to the screw.
[19:21:16] <zeeshan> 1605 DOUBLE BALLNUT
[19:21:19] <zeeshan> is what you wanna ask him about
[19:21:20] <dirty_d> they do? i thought that was more the case with oversized balls
[19:21:37] <zeeshan> connor
[19:21:39] <zeeshan> mine were ordered seperate
[19:21:42] <zeeshan> they fit fine
[19:21:48] <Connor> What about the preload ?
[19:21:55] <zeeshan> 0 backlash
[19:21:56] <zeeshan> :)
[19:22:03] <zeeshan> i havent measured preload
[19:22:06] <zeeshan> but backlash
[19:22:06] <Connor> and do we know for a fact that they're going on the same ballscrew ?
[19:22:23] <zeeshan> huh?
[19:22:33] <zeeshan> i ordered 2505 screw w/ single nut
[19:22:36] <zeeshan> it had 4.5 thou backlash
[19:22:39] <Connor> the screw may not be a LMB2008 screw.
[19:22:43] <zeeshan> so i ordered a double nut and put it on there
[19:22:44] <zeeshan> and it worked
[19:22:50] <Connor> YOU did.. came from Chae.. his might not..
[19:22:51] <zeeshan> oh
[19:23:17] <zeeshan> connor
[19:23:20] <zeeshan> did you see my before and after pic
[19:23:23] <zeeshan> of cleaning tools?
[19:23:31] <zeeshan> its amazing how much of a diff there is
[19:23:47] <zeeshan> zep purple power
[19:23:53] <Connor> zeeshan: No. and dang it.. you can put my name on the same line as your question. :)
[19:24:00] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16647873022/in/photostream/
[19:24:08] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16030549593/in/photostream/
[19:24:09] <zeeshan> !
[19:24:36] <zeeshan> im gonna clean my garage floor with this stuff
[19:24:36] <zeeshan> :D
[19:24:39] <Connor> nice. Is it a de-rust ?
[19:24:43] <zeeshan> no
[19:24:45] <zeeshan> degreaser
[19:25:03] <zeeshan> they didnt have much rust on em
[19:25:09] <Connor> I like the tool rack
[19:25:12] <zeeshan> just two rotations with a scotch brite pad
[19:25:19] <zeeshan> cleaned up the tapers
[19:26:14] <Connor> I'm still working on my Damn kitchen. I have most of the wall cabinets hung.. and the base cabinets temp set. I need to install wall board..but.. snowed in AGAIN.
[19:26:36] <zeeshan> any pics?
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[19:27:20] <Connor> dirty_d: I hope your using a different coupler than what's shown in that picture.. those aluminum spiral ones SUCK. Get oldhames from McMaster
[19:27:30] <Connor> Not yet.
[19:27:52] <zeeshan> i need new couplers
[19:27:58] <zeeshan> instead of the solid one im using right now :/
[19:28:02] <Connor> I like the ez-level hardware I used.. those are nice.
[19:28:16] <Connor> Solid, ick. you looking to break the shaft on the stepper?
[19:28:20] <zeeshan> lol
[19:28:25] <zeeshan> well theyre pretty well aligned
[19:28:33] <dirty_d> Connor, its a spiral one
[19:28:49] <Connor> dirty_d: Yea. Those suck. you need to use oldhams.
[19:29:04] <dirty_d> Connor, not ridig enough?
[19:29:08] <dirty_d> rigid
[19:29:17] <Connor> They'll break under the metal fatigue.
[19:29:29] <Connor> http://www.mcmaster.com/#oldham-couplings/=w2wf9j
[19:30:02] <Connor> You buy 2 halfs.. and the disc. The disc act's as a mechanical fuse and can also be replaced if it wears out.
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[19:30:17] <Connor> much better for Offset miss alignment.
[19:30:27] <Connor> 0 backlash.
[19:30:33] <zeeshan> i called my local supplier
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[19:30:37] <_Sync_> you can also buy metal bellows one for more torsional rigidity
[19:30:43] <zeeshan> he says he can get lovejoy couplings faster
[19:30:59] <ssi> I've used plenty of lovejoys
[19:31:06] <zeeshan> are they good?
[19:31:08] <ssi> sure
[19:31:09] <zeeshan> the zero backlash versions
[19:31:12] <ssi> I think oldhams are slightly better
[19:31:14] <ssi> but lovejoys are fine
[19:31:17] <Connor> I didn't think lovejoy's where 0 backlash
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[19:31:27] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/curved-jaw.aspx
[19:31:34] <ssi> the spiders are rubber and slightly oversized
[19:31:34] <_Sync_> they should be
[19:31:36] <ssi> so tehy take up the lash
[19:31:42] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/mini-disc.aspx
[19:31:42] <dirty_d> hmm
[19:31:53] <zeeshan> that looks like the two diff styles
[19:31:54] <zeeshan> with 0 backlash
[19:32:08] <dirty_d> my kit came with shitty lovejoy couplings with a lot of backlash
[19:32:23] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/mini-jaw.aspx
[19:32:23] <zeeshan> these?
[19:32:26] <zeeshan> those arent zero bcklash
[19:32:31] <zeeshan> those are the most common ones
[19:32:40] <Connor> I tend to think of using lovejoy for shaft driven motor applications like sanders and such.. oldhams where you need 0 backlash.
[19:32:42] <dirty_d> i had like 0.010" backlash on all axes, got the spiral ones, and oversized balls and its down to 0.0015"
[19:33:05] <dirty_d> yea those ones
[19:33:10] <Connor> That's not bad for single nut C7 scres.
[19:33:25] <_Sync_> Connor: they allow for more play in all directions
[19:33:28] <_Sync_> but they will wear out
[19:33:34] <_Sync_> the bellows ones are much better
[19:33:40] <_Sync_> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/bellows.aspx
[19:34:09] <Connor> I like the way oldhams go together.. you can remove the motor without having to loosen the coupler.
[19:34:10] <zeeshan> thsoe doesnt say zero backlash
[19:34:13] <ssi> bellows are fragile
[19:34:52] <zeeshan> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/oldham.aspx
[19:34:56] <ssi> I have small bellows couplers in my HNC
[19:34:57] <zeeshan> looks like they have oldham style ones
[19:35:04] <ssi> they couple just a gear train that runs the resolver and tach
[19:35:12] <ssi> and HIGH accel during servo tuning was enough to break the bellows
[19:35:21] <ssi> just the inertia of that gear and the resolver/tach
[19:35:24] <ssi> crazyness
[19:35:31] <_Sync_> yeah that can happen if you are crazy fast
[19:35:41] <ssi> it was an oscillation
[19:35:42] <_Sync_> but a geartrain on the resolver 0o
[19:35:46] <zeeshan> ssi nice
[19:35:46] <zeeshan> !
[19:35:52] <dirty_d> i dont think my steppers are strong enough to break any kind of coupler
[19:36:02] <_Sync_> but generally they are the best choice if you are closly aligned
[19:36:05] <ssi> _Sync_: it's a very tight train :)
[19:36:13] <ssi> that machine is precise as hell
[19:36:23] <ssi> and the resolvers turn 5:1 vs the ballscrews
[19:36:29] <zeeshan> wow
[19:36:32] <_Sync_> sure but, wouldn't it be easier to run high resolution resolvers?
[19:36:32] <zeeshan> lovejoy is a good company
[19:36:33] <ssi> it's timing belt not gears
[19:36:37] <zeeshan> can tell theyve got engineers there
[19:36:39] <zeeshan> wwith their data spec sheets
[19:36:40] <zeeshan> ahha
[19:36:41] <_Sync_> I guess it depends on the age of the machine
[19:36:45] <ssi> '78 :P
[19:36:51] <_Sync_> yeah well
[19:37:01] <_Sync_> resolvers were spendy back then
[19:37:03] <ssi> but the original control was 0.000020" resolution
[19:37:23] <dirty_d> what is?
[19:37:25] <ssi> I can't imagine what those machines cost new
[19:37:30] <dirty_d> thats possible?
[19:37:38] <_Sync_> why not dirty_d?
[19:37:39] <ssi> sure
[19:37:49] <_methods> how you think they make cmm
[19:37:53] <CaptHindsight> _Sync_: I was thinking about an inkjet printer for IC's on synthetic paper using polymeric materials
[19:37:56] <dirty_d> i feel like if you breathed on something it would move that much
[19:38:06] <ssi> it will :P
[19:38:09] <_methods> temp controlled
[19:38:12] <ssi> you need temperature control to really hold those tolerances
[19:38:13] <zeeshan> looks like the GS series
[19:38:14] <dirty_d> whats cmm?
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[19:38:19] <zeeshan> is what they offer for servo coupling applications
[19:38:20] <_methods> vibration damped
[19:38:32] <_methods> coordinate measuring machine
[19:38:52] <dirty_d> ahh
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[19:39:08] <CaptHindsight> 75um geometry could still print circuits in the many Khz range and they would visible to the naked eye
[19:39:08] <_Sync_> good luck with that CaptHindsight
[19:40:21] <dirty_d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=844UiRBVxlY
[19:40:26] <CaptHindsight> Epson heads are good down to ~2pL, they just have a giant fluid reservoir
[19:40:27] <dirty_d> thats a big gear theyve got there...
[19:40:45] <CaptHindsight> giant for this application
[19:40:52] <_Sync_> you call this big dirty_d?
[19:41:02] <CaptHindsight> but it can hold 8 different fluids in one head
[19:41:22] <dirty_d> but wait, theres more!
[19:42:00] <_Sync_> yeah there are some larger ones, but those are not really that huge
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[19:42:09] <_Sync_> probably windmill gearboxes
[19:42:25] <CaptHindsight> it could hold a conductor, resistor, n-type semi, p-type, dielectric and an insulator
[19:43:28] <_Sync_> I'm not so sure on the performance of organic semiconductors
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[19:45:06] <jdh> my spleen makes pnp junctions
[19:45:13] <CaptHindsight> another idea could be to place discrete transistor die on inkjet printed paper
[19:45:49] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, trying to compile libfltk_gl.a
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[19:48:39] <CaptHindsight> how to sync motion in Linuxcnc to a stack of SVG images?
[19:49:21] <CaptHindsight> I want to finish the config for Linuxcnc to control SLA printers that use a projector (DLP/LCD etc)
[19:49:22] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you dont have to
[19:49:42] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you have the wrong version of the solvespace code or something
[19:49:46] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: you mean somehow control more than just the Z?
[19:50:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, how are you building? "./automake && ./configure && make"?
[19:50:48] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: yes, Z for the 1-axis and coordinate the images for the projector
[19:51:49] <CaptHindsight> then this may be expanded for SLA + other operations like inserting fasteners, machining operations etc
[19:52:45] <Cromaglious> trying automake now
[19:52:58] <CaptHindsight> an M-code may be used to signal for the next image to be displayed
[19:53:56] <CaptHindsight> so the G-code to control the simplest of SLA printers will just have Z motion and and M-code for the images
[19:54:10] <Cromaglious> g++: /usr/local/lib/libfltk_gl.a: No such file or directory
[19:57:20] * SpeedEvil imagines setting the individual images up as tools.
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[20:05:36] <Cromaglious> hmmm bicycle fron hub is 100mm wide I can probably find ceramic bearing to fit in them for a 8mm shaft. gives me the basis to build a spindle using a ER11a 8mm shaft 150mm long straight collet check extension tool C8-ER11A-150L
[20:06:16] <bobo_> zeeshan: 8 weeks ! if they were sent a shovel to dig up the ore , would that help ? may be 10 weeks with their May day stuff. --just in time mafg. sucks
[20:06:22] <jdh> rear is 130mm
[20:08:38] <Cromaglious> 4:1 pulley set lets me use a 3220 AC induction motor for a 14Kish rpm spindle
[20:10:14] <Cromaglious> hmm 3:1 using a 6500rpm treadmill mill gives me almost 20Krpm
[20:11:03] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you need to delete the source you have now and re-clone it
[20:11:10] <Cromaglious> k
[20:11:43] <dirty_d> git clone https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace-linux-fixes.git
[20:11:49] <dirty_d> then just
[20:12:06] <dirty_d> you know, what i said before
[20:12:27] <dirty_d> oops, ./autogen.sh not ./automake.sh
[20:12:50] <dirty_d> ./autogen.sh then ./configure then make
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[20:13:57] <Cromaglious> ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
[20:14:04] <dirty_d> yea
[20:14:12] <georgenz> Hey guys... second day trying to get spindle running...
[20:14:56] <Cromaglious> georgenz, whats the pin supposed to source 50ma?
[20:15:34] <Cromaglious> put a LED with a resister on that output and ground and use that as a id10t light
[20:15:44] <georgenz> Im not sure on the source
[20:16:04] <georgenz> I have cw and ccw functioing on outputs 1 and 2
[20:16:32] <Cromaglious> compiling
[20:16:37] <georgenz> The analog output 5 doesnt seem to be working for me
[20:16:49] <georgenz> Its either my shoddy wiring or setup
[20:16:49] <Cromaglious> even for a servo?
[20:17:17] <georgenz> The three servos on analog 0 to 2 are working fine
[20:17:21] <georgenz> I have set spindle as analog 5
[20:17:35] <dirty_d> analog output? whats taht PWM from the parallel port?
[20:17:53] <dirty_d> my spindle is still controlled by fingers
[20:17:56] <georgenz> PWM from 7i77
[20:19:13] <Cromaglious> it can't find -lGL and I have /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.a
[20:19:14] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so
[20:19:14] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1
[20:19:14] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1.5.070701
[20:19:52] <dirty_d> paste the whole output to pastebin.com
[20:19:58] <Cromaglious> k
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[20:20:39] <PCW> georgenz:analog out 5 has a different enable, it maybe not 'net'ed to the proper signal in HAL
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[20:21:31] <georgenz> Ok?
[20:21:54] <PetefromTn_> Cool man I just put a bid in on a job that would be about a week and a halfs worth of work... WISH ME LUCK GUYS!!
[20:22:11] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/0xNaASFw
[20:22:18] <georgenz> The enable pin isnt being used on my vfd, do u mean analog output enable or vfd enable?
[20:22:38] <georgenz> Fingers crossed for u pete
[20:22:41] <PCW> I mean the pin in the HAL file
[20:22:44] <bobo_> good luck Pete
[20:22:56] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, I rubbed my budda belly for you
[20:23:14] <Cromaglious> the one on the alter not on my belly
[20:23:28] <georgenz> So that pin in the HAL file will... when netted enable the analog output?
[20:23:33] <PetefromTn_> Thanks guys I am sure to get it with budda belly on my side!
[20:24:11] <PCW> yes I think its xxxxxxx.spinena
[20:24:13] <bobo_> rubbing Cat now
[20:24:36] <Cromaglious> ditto, black kitty as well
[20:24:45] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, seems like libgl-mesa isnt installed right or something
[20:24:48] <PetefromTn_> OH shit no black kitty's man...
[20:25:48] <Cromaglious> and the white doggy belly
[20:25:56] <georgenz> PCW, do i open terminal and halrun?
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[20:26:28] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, So solly no christians here... black cats are GOOD luck!
[20:26:59] <PetefromTn_> well okay I'll take your word for it... ;)
[20:27:29] <Cromaglious> ever see a wiccan with a white cat?
[20:27:50] <PetefromTn_> never seen a wiccan?..
[20:28:28] <FinboySlick> Heh, and I wouldn't think of wiccans first when I think 'lucky person'.
[20:28:41] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, try LDFLAGS='/usr/lib/mesa' ./configure && make
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[20:28:51] <dirty_d> if that doesnt work run make clean, then make again
[20:28:58] <Cromaglious> it's that lady with the peasant skirt kinda hippy looking with the point up star at her throat
[20:28:59] <georgenz> Hey Pete... did u have any troubke getting yr spindle to drive?
[20:29:11] <PetefromTn_> define trouble heh
[20:29:27] <georgenz> Like... it wouldnt turn when u told it to
[20:29:31] <PetefromTn_> what you need to do is first get it to run under internal control
[20:29:37] <Cromaglious> ok reloading mesaGL
[20:29:49] <georgenz> How to do??
[20:29:53] <PetefromTn_> there is a setting that is for the input type
[20:30:35] <PetefromTn_> get it wired up for power and set the input type to panel IE the control panel and then you can turn the spindle on and adjust the speed that way to make sure everything is working
[20:30:58] <PetefromTn_> then you need to get it wired into the 7i77 and switch the setting to take the external control.
[20:31:34] <georgenz> What is the IE contol panel
[20:31:53] <Cromaglious> ahh LDFLAGS ok trying that and installing some more mesaGL dev stuff
[20:31:59] <georgenz> I have vfd running
[20:32:12] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i dont think you need to install any more opengl stuff
[20:32:15] <PetefromTn_> that means In other words not a vfd acronym
[20:32:17] <georgenz> However the analog5 isnt outputting anything
[20:32:21] <dirty_d> it just didnt know where the actual shared library files were
[20:34:18] <PetefromTn_> what do you have on the analog 5 output for wires?
[20:34:21] <PCW> georgenz: it probably is not enabled, If you created your configuration with pncconf and its not the latest, it has errors in the hal file you must fix
[20:35:02] <georgenz> Ok. It was downloaded maybe 2 weeks ago, so is fairly new
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[20:35:25] <georgenz> Was created with pncconfig
[20:36:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9383 Printable Threaded Rod, http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9190 Printable Linear Rail
[20:36:57] <georgenz> How do i check to see if there is errors in the hal. Sorry am new to this game
[20:37:04] <PCW> I would look at pins that control the spindle to trace where the trouble is
[20:37:06] <PCW> using machine --> show hal configuration --> show
[20:37:07] <PCW> in axis
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[20:39:32] <georgenz> Im not sure how to do that sry pcw
[20:39:51] <PCW> do you have linuxcnc running?
[20:39:53] <PetefromTn_> machine- show hal config-
[20:40:19] <georgenz> Linuxcnc isnt running
[20:40:39] <PCW> well thats the first step :-)
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[20:41:45] <georgenz> Ok.. running
[20:42:31] <georgenz> Ok... in hal config
[20:42:42] <PCW> other way is (with linuxcnc running) type:
[20:42:43] <PCW> halcmd show pin *spin*
[20:42:45] <PCW> and paste the results on a public paste site
[20:43:34] <PCW> (type the command in a terminal window)
[20:45:30] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, heh had to install lib mesa glu dev
[20:45:43] <dirty_d> ok
[20:45:52] <georgenz> If i look at pins in the config and find analog5 it says... hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 <== spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[20:46:51] <PCW> that looks right
[20:46:53] <Cromaglious> it failed on <GL/glu.h>
[20:47:37] <PCW> but what pin drives the signal spindle-vel-cmd-abs?
[20:47:58] <georgenz> I didn the command in terminal window. Has come up with stuff, the pc isnt on the net so cant really paste it anywherr
[20:49:13] <PCW> the data should show the values and you shoud be able find out what wrong from these values
[20:49:20] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, http://pastebin.com/gR1Wb1iv
[20:49:32] <georgenz> I have 9 float OUT 0 motion.spinfle-speed-out ==> spindle-vel-cm
[20:49:48] <Cromaglious> bbiab --~
[20:49:58] <georgenz> Thats supposed to be cmd not cm
[20:51:09] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, tahts a weird error, what version of gcc do you have?
[20:51:26] <georgenz> Then nxt one dwn is 9 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs ==> spindle-vel-cm
[20:51:42] <_methods> take a pic and post it on imgur
[20:51:56] <_methods> if you can't pastebin
[20:52:15] <PCW> so the hal file is in error
[20:52:44] <PCW> nothing drives the signal spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[20:53:16] <PCW> (that the actual hardware gets the spindle speed from)
[20:53:41] <georgenz> Ok... i have just enabled it in linuxcnc and showpin again
[20:53:59] <georgenz> Ive got...
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[20:55:00] <georgenz> 9 float OUT -1 motion.spindle-speed-out ==> spindle-vel-cmd
[20:55:22] <PCW> not used so not relevent
[20:56:21] <georgenz> 9 float OUT 1 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs==> spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs
[20:57:00] <PCW> ok so the signal names dont match
[20:57:40] <georgenz> 9 float OUT -0.0166667 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps==> spindle-vel-cmd-rps
[20:57:57] <PCW> not relevent
[20:58:01] <georgenz> And..
[20:58:13] <PCW> stop
[20:58:15] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, im thinking maybe the version of gcc that was used to compile fltk has a different ABI than the one youre using to compile solvespace?
[20:58:21] <dirty_d> im not sure thats strange
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[20:59:04] <georgenz> 9 float OUT 0.01666667 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs ==> spindle-vel-cmd-rps-abs
[20:59:10] <georgenz> Ok....
[20:59:34] <PCW> the error seems to be that spindle-vel-cmd-abs is use one place and spindle-vel-cmd-abs is used in another
[20:59:59] <PCW> sorry spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs vs spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[21:00:22] <georgenz> Ok...
[21:00:28] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, run "strings src/fltk/fltkmain.o | grep Fl_Gl_Window | grep init"
[21:00:47] <PCW> so hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 is not connected to anything
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[21:01:36] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, and "strings /usr/lib/libfltk_gl.so | grep Fl_Gl_Window | grep init"
[21:01:44] <dirty_d> or /usr/local/lib or whatever
[21:01:50] <georgenz> Easy fix?
[21:02:08] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/WidFK6Fj
[21:02:10] <PCW> works like this on a net command:
[21:02:12] <PCW> net bluewire hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[21:02:13] <PCW> net bluewire motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[21:03:05] <Tecan> one word 8 syllables
[21:03:09] <PCW> dont get confused by the name of the signal (the first name after net) I can be _anything_
[21:03:14] * Tecan does some random body motions
[21:04:00] <georgenz> So i type those commands in terminal?
[21:04:14] <georgenz> Or in hal cmd or halrun?
[21:04:20] <dirty_d> I think i know what the problem is
[21:04:22] <dirty_d> damn
[21:04:40] <PCW> you need to edit your hal file to fix
[21:05:42] <Cromaglious> brb mail
[21:06:23] <georgenz> How to do?
[21:06:27] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, run this http://codepad.org/flfNpH1Y
[21:06:31] <dirty_d> inside the src directory
[21:07:47] <dirty_d> i think your fltk was built in a way that it requires linking to the static libraries and/instead of the shared ones
[21:07:50] <dirty_d> or something
[21:08:03] <PetefromTn_> georgenz sorry man I gotta go pickup my wife be back in a bit. I think you are in better hands than I can help you with so good luck.
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[21:08:38] <georgenz> Thx pete
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[21:08:55] <georgenz> Hopefully when u r back itll b spinning
[21:09:19] <PCW> depending on system you use gedit or mouseoad and edit the hal file ( in ~/linuxcnc/configs/ )
[21:09:28] <PCW> mousepad
[21:11:19] <georgenz> The pncconf file?
[21:11:49] <PCW> no, the hal file
[21:13:02] <georgenz> Is that in root dir?
[21:13:39] <Cromaglious> ran this http://codepad.org/flfNpH1Y/fork
[21:14:01] <PCW> it loos like you have:
[21:14:03] <PCW> net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[21:14:05] <PCW> net spindle-vel-cmd-abs => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[21:14:07] <PCW> which is like
[21:14:08] <PCW> net redwire <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[21:14:10] <PCW> net bluewire => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[21:14:11] <PCW> so they dont connect
[21:15:12] <georgenz> Ok... i cant find hal file frm mousepad. Linux is new to me
[21:15:13] <Cromaglious> result is http://pastebin.com/PFHrL7tq
[21:15:14] <georgenz> Sry
[21:15:48] <PCW> the hal file is in your home directory (~) in linuxcnc/configs
[21:15:49] <PCW> beyond that I'm not sure where pncconf puts them or names them
[21:17:00] <anarchos3> does the qtvcp stuff work with linuxcnc, or is that for machinekit only?
[21:17:06] <georgenz> Ok... ill b back in 15 mins n have a look for it. Thx so far n glad u have found my issue
[21:17:49] <PCW> what linuxcnc version is this if its recent this should be fixed
[21:19:00] <Cromaglious> woohoo cord for my skilworm drive finally showed up as well as the live center for the shopsmith lathe
[21:24:07] <Cromaglious> and the USB to ps2 kb/mouse adapter
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[21:27:36] <Cromaglious> wooo hooo house is OFICIALLY paid off and the lien is recinded
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[21:29:42] <anarchos3> http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/
[21:30:18] <anarchos3> has pcie headers
[21:30:47] <anarchos3> that + a mesa board might be kinda cool.
[21:31:22] <furrywolf> you buy cords? I always just stuff in some soow and put a plug on the end.
[21:32:58] <Cromaglious> only for cutting tools... I want the molded plug on the end and it's 2m long
[21:33:38] <Cromaglious> and its abrasion resistant
[21:34:05] <furrywolf> I'm waiting for a couple things in the mail, but none of them are cords... an LED light bulb, an onboard 5a marine battery charger, a finglonger, and an led filament bulb...
[21:34:20] <furrywolf> oh, and some high-voltage 3-terminal regulators
[21:34:23] <Cromaglious> anything else I hack off a piece of extention cord
[21:34:46] <furrywolf> soow is abrasion resistant. soow is the nick thick rubbery stuff that feels like welding cable.
[21:34:50] <Cromaglious> thosee LED filament bulbs are kewl
[21:35:13] <anarchos3> I'm waiting for my laser tachometer...starting to think it might not arrive before i take off for my extended trip :(
[21:35:17] <furrywolf> extension cord is sjtw, and not nearly as nice.
[21:35:27] <anarchos3> tracking page says it left China, but hasn't hit Canada yet.
[21:35:39] <Cromaglious> those are only 4.99
[21:35:48] <furrywolf> ?
[21:36:08] <Cromaglious> and 3.99 shipping DOH
[21:36:24] <furrywolf> what is?
[21:37:02] <georgenz> Linuxcnc version 2.6.4
[21:37:18] <Cromaglious> led filament bulb
[21:37:38] <Cromaglious> doesn't say if it's dimmable
[21:37:41] <furrywolf> hrmm, the one I got was $8.something on ebay.
[21:37:48] <georgenz> PCW. My linuxCNC version is 2.6.4
[21:38:36] <Cromaglious> it's at 2.6.7 now
[21:38:54] <furrywolf> led bulb was $5, marine charger was $30, finglonger (yes, I know that's not its real name) was $17, led filament bulb $8something...
[21:39:22] <PCW> might upgrade to the latest (2.6.7) to see if that fixed the issue or learn to edit hal files
[21:39:23] <PCW> (you will almost certaily need to do this at some point)
[21:39:38] <PCW> certainly
[21:40:12] <PCW> anarchos3: you could use Ethernet also
[21:41:02] <furrywolf> marine charger will let me fix my air compressor, which will be nice.
[21:41:27] <PCW> (assuming it doesn't use something dorky like a USB-Ethernet chip)
[21:41:42] <georgenz> Ok.. ill download latest version.. I will need to modify HAL at some point i think for doing toolchange stuff etc
[21:42:51] <Deejay> gn8
[21:42:58] <furrywolf> I'll probably need to rtfm on hal to make my spindle encoder work
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[21:46:52] <Cromaglious> I now have 3 LPT ports in my linuxcnc machine in the mini-box.com case with atom motherboard. I have a 680GB 2.5 sata drive on order the lpt card and 3.5" will not coexist
[21:47:27] <Cromaglious> a 5mm 2.5 might fit over the top of the card
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[21:48:24] <Cromaglious> hmm 4.59mm maybe...
[21:48:47] <furrywolf> grrrr. too many imaginary ratings on chinese led lamps. Wattage: 7Watts Lumens : 1350 Lumens methinks no, especially not from a corncob bulb with no heatsinking...
[21:49:26] <Cromaglious> 1350 lumens at 1mm right in front of the element
[21:49:42] <furrywolf> lumens are a measure of energy, not intensity.
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[21:51:28] <furrywolf> I've converted most of my lights to LED... Costco has 3-packs of perfectly nice 60W equivalent bulbs for $10.99. got rid of most of my CFLs.
[21:52:07] <furrywolf> bbl, back to housework
[21:52:12] <georgenz> Looking at download page, download version seems to be 2.6.4 not 2.6.7 how do I download the latest?
[21:54:55] <PCW> apt get upgrade probably
[21:57:31] <georgenz> Where do i find upgrade!
[21:57:35] <georgenz> ?
[21:57:37] <PCW> dont do this often but probably something like
[21:57:39] <PCW> sudo apt-get update
[21:57:41] <PCW> then
[21:57:42] <PCW> sudo apt-get upgrade linuxcnc
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[21:57:57] <Cromaglious> georgenz, in ubuntu software center, go to 'edit', software sources
[21:58:17] <Cromaglious> other software tab
[21:58:45] <Cromaglious> click add
[21:58:57] <georgenz> Alriggt... ill have to somehow connect the internet to my machine
[21:59:22] <PCW> yep really akward otherwiise
[21:59:27] <Cromaglious> type in deb http://linuxcnc.org lucid base 2.6
[22:00:32] <Cromaglious> add again and type 'deb-src http://linuxcnc.org lucid base 2.6'
[22:01:53] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, my wife works at Ace hardware and she's getting the $6 60w equiv LED bulbs Leit Electric I think
[22:02:14] <Cromaglious> it's one of the higher rated bulbs...
[22:02:25] <georgenz> I'll shoot up the rd n get a wifi stick to put on machine. bbl
[22:02:37] <Cromaglious> CFL are crap! I never liked them
[22:02:45] <jack16> How can I show actual cutting speed in GUI?
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[22:03:17] <PCW> You can have axis show the velocity
[22:03:35] <PCW> its a check box in some menu
[22:06:43] <skunkworks> jack16: you have to turn off the offsets... (it is a bug)
[22:11:25] <jack16> skunkworks, thanks.
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[22:20:42] <jack16> Is there any way to display speed in halscope? (I'm using software step generation)
[22:21:09] <ssi> just set a channel to the appropriate velocity signal
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[22:23:53] <anarchos3> hmm, anyone happen to know if the Mesa cards Tormach sells with their PathPilot upgrade kit are just stock Mesa cards?
[22:24:03] <anarchos3> They're cheaper than buying from Mesa and Mesa is out of stock anyways.
[22:24:23] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you there?
[22:24:39] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, yea im trying to see what caused that
[22:25:06] <Cromaglious> ok I was able to recompile fltk with shared libs have a new error
[22:25:41] <dirty_d> ok can you put it on pastebin?
[22:25:53] <DaViruz> skunkworks: i just realized your nick is probably a reference to lockheed martin
[22:26:06] <DaViruz> any affiliation?
[22:26:13] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/RRY4Scbj
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[22:26:59] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, id delete everything and git clone solvespace again to be safe
[22:27:03] <dirty_d> but ill take a look at that
[22:27:14] <Cromaglious> k i'll try that
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[22:28:20] <PCW> anarchos3 they are the same cards
[22:28:24] <Cromaglious> ok gitting again
[22:28:54] <PCW> but I dont think they will sell to you unless you own a Tormach mill
[22:30:32] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, can you pastebin the entire output, looks like that might be caused by something else like a header not being found
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[22:32:44] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, at the top of fltkmain.cpp add #include <unistd.h>
[22:32:55] <dirty_d> they didnt include the right headers for some stuff
[22:33:00] <Cromaglious> k
[22:34:39] <Cromaglious> configing
[22:35:33] <anarchos3> PCW: their online store doesn't seem to ask any sort of questions about owning a mill...
[22:35:37] <Swapper> are reversing tapping heads used nowadays ?
[22:35:44] <Cromaglious> hmmm libfltk is in /usr/lib hopefully it'll find it
[22:37:23] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src$ ./solvespace
[22:37:23] <Cromaglious> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
[22:38:00] <Cromaglious> dmesg: [170123.380272] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[22:38:00] <Cromaglious> [170123.380282] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[22:38:51] <Cromaglious> starts then stops
[22:38:58] <Cromaglious> it compiled :)
[22:39:43] <dirty_d> i think thats because you linked it against the mesa implementation of opengl, but your system is using the ati one
[22:39:51] <dirty_d> possibly
[22:40:04] <Cromaglious> so I should try opengl opengl?
[22:40:07] <dirty_d> what graphics card do you have?
[22:40:38] <Cromaglious> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[22:40:38] <Cromaglious> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
[22:41:27] <dirty_d> whats glxinfo | grep "vendor" tell you?
[22:42:12] <dirty_d> might be fglrxinfo
[22:42:47] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src$ glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[22:42:47] <Cromaglious> server glx vendor string: SGI
[22:42:47] <Cromaglious> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
[22:42:47] <Cromaglious> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[22:42:59] <dirty_d> hmm, thats confusing
[22:43:18] <dirty_d> pastebin /var/log/Xorg.log.0
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[22:44:00] <Cromaglious> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:44:15] <dirty_d> yea
[22:46:24] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/4wz7q8by
[22:50:14] <dirty_d> yea i think you linked against the wrong libgl
[22:50:40] <dirty_d> ubuntu might have a tool or something that manages symlinks to various implementations or something
[22:50:50] <dirty_d> that might be why it wouldnt link in the first place
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[22:50:59] <dirty_d> it hasnt been set up yet maybe
[22:51:39] <dirty_d> do you have glxgears installed, or fglrxgears?
[22:51:48] <dirty_d> if so run it and see it both/one works
[22:52:02] <dirty_d> then pastebin the ouput of ldd $(which glxgears)
[22:52:10] <dirty_d> and/or fglrxgears
[22:53:12] <Cromaglious> glxgears
[22:53:34] <Cromaglious> works
[22:54:06] <Cromaglious> 4912 frames in 5sec
[22:54:38] <dirty_d> ok so opengl works
[22:54:50] <dirty_d> but pastebin the ldd thing
[22:55:03] <tjtr33> Cromaglious, where did you get fltk1.3 for ubu 10.04? "checking for FLTK API version 1.3... no"
[22:55:32] <tjtr33> or, is it neccesary
[22:56:09] <Cromaglious> http://www.fltk.org/software.php?VERSION=1.3.3&FILE=fltk/1.3.3/fltk-1.3.3-source.tar.gz
[22:56:12] <tjtr33> thx
[22:58:18] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/MPG40pTw
[22:59:00] <dirty_d> wow, this motor looks a lot smaller in real life http://i.imgur.com/JQd4qAr.jpg
[22:59:36] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, what about the ldd command
[22:59:44] <dirty_d> ldd $(which glxgears)
[22:59:54] <Cromaglious> oh oops
[23:00:45] <Cromaglious> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x007da000)
[23:00:45] <Cromaglious> libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0x00e7b000)
[23:00:45] <Cromaglious> libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x001c9000)
[23:00:45] <Cromaglious> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0x00ebd000)
[23:01:09] <dirty_d> do the same for the solvespace binary
[23:01:14] <Cromaglious> k
[23:02:31] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/k0YeVzcF
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[23:02:44] <Cromaglious> same libGL
[23:02:50] <dirty_d> http://memecrunch.com/meme/31HP1/looks-good-to-me/image.jpg
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[23:03:33] <Cromaglious> always love a good beshimee sp?
[23:03:48] <dirty_d> lol
[23:04:06] <dirty_d> so it just crashed?
[23:04:55] <dirty_d> at least you're not alone https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28216
[23:05:11] <Cromaglious> it's more of a controled xexit and it then displays that z_buffer error
[23:05:47] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes$ src/solvespace
[23:05:47] <Cromaglious> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
[23:06:17] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[23:06:18] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[23:06:18] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes$
[23:09:19] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[23:09:20] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[23:09:20] <Cromaglious> oh what's that cmd to slowpaste output... Hmm I'll have to find the source that's 20 years old..
[23:09:21] <dirty_d> ooo fancy http://i.imgur.com/oaKJ7cp.jpg
[23:09:27] <Cromaglious> damn I've been using Linux for 20 years!
[23:09:29] <dirty_d> that tiny motors gonna power this
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[23:10:05] <Cromaglious> sheeshz... anyone seen pictures of Linus' daughter lately?
[23:11:03] <Cromaglious> HE SPAWNED twice MORE!
[23:11:19] <dirty_d> nope
[23:14:28] <Cromaglious> well he has 3 girls now
[23:16:43] <dirty_d> actually i didnt really know anything about him other than that he wrote linux, and hes kind of a dickhead
[23:16:50] <dirty_d> lol
[23:17:35] <Cromaglious> I like him, he's under incredible pressure at times
[23:18:09] <Cromaglious> on relax days he's great, on disaster days, he is hell on earth until things are working again
[23:18:57] <Cromaglious> I still have a bug licker from the first linux convention in San Jose
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[23:19:54] <ssi> oh man I've been using linux for 20 years too
[23:20:00] <ssi> that's depressing :P
[23:20:13] <ssi> I realized earlier today that I've been a dvoraker almost half my life now, too
[23:20:17] <dirty_d> well thats annoying... http://i.imgur.com/PjHlYH6.jpg
[23:20:25] <Cromaglious> I first got it vi planet connect dish in '95 I believe
[23:20:28] <dirty_d> i was hoping i could just swap the connectors around
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[23:20:57] <Connor> Why would you want to swap them around ?
[23:21:02] <dirty_d> why the hell would they put the power supply and motor wires into the same connector but have separate ones for the input signals?
[23:21:05] <Cromaglious> heh
[23:21:24] <dirty_d> the input signals all go to the same place, one cable, the power and motors are separate
[23:21:29] <Cromaglious> time to get connectored pig tails...
[23:21:37] <dirty_d> not my motors have to be physically tied to my power supply wires
[23:21:43] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_11_21_14_02.jpg
[23:22:02] <Connor> That's how mine are done.
[23:22:06] <dirty_d> not that its a big deal, but it seems common sense to make it the other way around right?
[23:22:54] <Connor> Honestly, never thought about it.
[23:23:05] <dirty_d> my old ones were inside a pc
[23:23:16] <dirty_d> then the pc died and the stepper drivers dissapeared somehow
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[23:23:28] <Connor> *boggle*
[23:23:35] <dirty_d> yea, me too
[23:24:17] <Connor> That's my controller after I redone it. Still have a tad more work to do on it still.. but.. I got it moving the Z axis with Mesa card a while back (upgrading from pport)
[23:25:43] <dirty_d> i was thinking about making an external controller with something cheaper
[23:25:52] <dirty_d> like one of the $15 stm32 dev boards
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[23:26:03] <dirty_d> and connect that to the parallel port
[23:26:21] <Connor> nah. stick with a PC.
[23:26:35] <dirty_d> then at least the signal is somewhat realtime, but the actual stepping is controled by a hardware timer
[23:26:43] <dirty_d> well commands realtime
[23:26:52] <dirty_d> and stepping very exact realtime
[23:27:14] <dirty_d> well it would just be a dumb controller
[23:27:32] <dirty_d> like it would read commands that tell it to step at x frequency for y steps
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[23:27:56] <dirty_d> and maybe "if you hit a limit switch stop and report back the position somehow"
[23:28:26] <JT-Shop> dammit I just trashed my burner tube
[23:29:11] <Connor> how?
[23:29:32] <JT-Shop> I enlarged the air input the wrong way
[23:32:06] <JT-Shop> oh well make a new one
[23:33:24] <JT-Shop> the prototype burner in action http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/Burner%20Test%2003.jpg
[23:33:54] <furrywolf> shint
[23:33:55] <furrywolf> shiny
[23:34:00] <furrywolf> aim a bit more towards the outside
[23:34:05] <PCW> look good
[23:34:21] <Tom_itx> PCW thanks for swapping boards..
[23:34:37] <PCW> NP
[23:35:38] <JT-Shop> there ain't no sights on that burner
[23:35:55] * furrywolf adds a fancy tritium-powered sight to it
[23:36:26] <Tom_itx> PCW and the free sample! just opened the box...
[23:36:33] <dirty_d> what did you make the insulation out of?
[23:36:40] <JT-Shop> the tuyere is cast in stone now lol
[23:36:46] * furrywolf wants to sample a 7i76e
[23:37:05] <Connor> JT-Shop: what is the burner for ?
[23:37:20] * SpeedEvil prefers plutonium powered sights.
[23:37:31] <furrywolf> it looks like we're not having a service yet for my relative, so I don't need to fly to NJ now... which means I'm not completely broke, and might be able to consider playing with my mill again.
[23:37:46] <JT-Shop> that one is for casting aluminum
[23:38:20] <dirty_d> furrywolf, whats the interface to those cards? step at x rate for y steps?
[23:38:26] <JT-Shop> the refractory is only rated to 2400F, the next one will be made from 3000F refractory for brass
[23:38:28] <furrywolf> since he's being cremated, we're going to have a mini family reunion / service combination in the summer, with the urn instead of the body... scheduling it for later lets a lot more of the family attend than a rushed service.
[23:38:36] <furrywolf> dirty_d: dunno, ask pcw. he's the expert. :)
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[23:39:07] <ssi> dirty_d: nah they behave more like position mode servos
[23:39:12] <SpeedEvil> In principle - can one sag the edge of a cylindrical alumina crucible to make a lip?
[23:39:21] <SpeedEvil> I'm aware that it would need to be quite hot indeed
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[23:39:42] <dirty_d> hmm
[23:45:26] * furrywolf curls up and sighs
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[23:55:44] <tjtr33> dirty_d, solvespace built w/o errs, wheres the app? do i need to run ac-aux/install.sh?
[23:56:02] <dirty_d> src/solvespace
[23:56:52] <tjtr33> hah! i swear i didnt see it there works thx!
[23:58:14] <tjtr33> i built fltk 1.3.0 and had to do make clean for a couple mistakes, else not bad
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