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[00:30:05] <witnit> im looking for minimal backlash ballscrew system but heavy duty like this, any ideas where to find such things....cheap..
[00:30:07] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/linear-positioning-machine-table-slide-gilman-8-x-10-x-3-/391060940437?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b0d0c6695
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[00:30:57] <XXCoder1> make your own
[00:31:07] <XXCoder1> honestly cheapest if you has stuff to mae em I bet
[00:31:53] <witnit> I was hoping for something with ballscrew already, gibs etc
[00:32:16] <XXCoder1> chinese ones?
[00:32:23] <XXCoder1> you'll need to buy new bearings
[00:32:23] <witnit> no
[00:32:30] <XXCoder1> because chinese ones is shit
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[00:32:43] <witnit> rexroth or something i dunno
[00:33:54] <witnit> okay, this is what i want, but not $2k a pop
[00:33:56] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GILMAN-8-X-8-SLIDE-W-BALLSCREW-ACTUATOR-NOS-/400854024155?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d54c2ffdb
[00:36:52] <XXCoder1> looking
[00:37:02] <XXCoder1> dang
[00:42:01] <witnit> I can buy a whole lathe for that price
[00:42:33] <XXCoder1> then make balscrew yes lol
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[01:45:04] <Crom_> I ned to find more people to join our makerspace here in Temecula
[01:45:29] <Crom_> any ideas?
[01:45:58] <Crom_> ugh this bluetooth keyboard the right shift is run internet not shift grrrr
[01:46:18] <bobo_> where is Temecula ?
[01:46:36] <Crom_> and I can't browse on the computer while it is running a cut... otherwise it loses steps
[01:46:54] <Crom_> Southwest Riverside county se of Los Angeles
[01:47:13] <Crom_> on Interstate 15 just north of San Diego County
[01:47:37] <Crom_> metro area has 300K people
[01:47:48] <bobo_> I am in ohio -----sorry
[01:47:56] <Crom_> all I need is 45 people
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[01:49:10] <bobo_> do you have a You-tube presentation ?
[01:49:39] <Crom_> creatorspace.us
[01:49:51] <Crom_> I haven't really looked at the web site acutally
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[01:51:00] <bobo_> would think Car hobbiest -------would be interested
[01:51:06] <Crom_> I'm thinking maybe getting the senior center to get them to bring the oldsters over here for a tour and see if we can get some codgers during the day before school lets out and let them do wood work
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[01:52:02] <bobo_> Oh god ------the burnt out old loosers
[01:52:04] <Crom_> and pay membership...
[01:52:40] <Crom_> table saw, band saw, routertable, radial arm saw, lathe, metal lathe
[01:52:56] <Crom_> hm radio
[01:52:59] <Crom_> ham radio
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[01:54:10] <bobo_> would think your bigest problem is quality ----not quanity of members
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[01:54:18] <PetefromTn_> gonna try to make some snow cream here LOL
[01:55:51] <Crom_> don't really care about the quality... right now we need the quantity
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[01:59:15] <bobo_> might be worth trying senor center ----selling idea of us old bozos hooking up with our family to do projects
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[02:01:09] <bobo_> Crom : car clubs ?
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[02:03:10] <bobo_> Crom : hobby store ads ?
[02:03:51] <MacGalempsy> looks like its going to be a slow night... I ordered the relays that were recommended and they are the wrong g.d. ones
[02:04:57] <bobo_> Wrong as in ?-----575 volt dc----
[02:06:17] <bobo_> 2 volt 75 amp coil ?
[02:09:23] <PetefromTn_> damn snow cream is not bad really!
[02:09:35] <bobo_> where is Pete ------ out tasting yellow snow ?
[02:09:56] <PetefromTn_> yup love it!!
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[02:11:55] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST tastes like vanilla soft serve ice cream. Amazing...
[02:14:11] <bobo_> the Yellow snow does ? thanks for the warning ------will stay away from the soft ice cream places now
[02:15:02] <PetefromTn_> no smartass the pure white powder snow...
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[02:15:56] <PetefromTn_> some condensed milk, some vanilla extract, some sugar, and whatever else my wife's friends recipe called for and four cups of pure white snow and you got a nice treat!!!
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[02:16:57] <Crom_> so true!
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[02:17:13] <bobo_> I thought late winter was bad in ohio ----guess it isn't any better in Tn.------come on Spring
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[02:24:43] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: no wrong as in negative logic instead of positive logic
[02:25:44] <bobo_> bummer bummer bummer
[02:26:08] <MacGalempsy> anyways, now that I know there is an electrical store down the street that has an EE sitting behind the counter, I wont be buying parts off the internet anymore!
[02:26:11] <Tom_itx> so change your pins in hal
[02:26:24] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: its part of the learning process!
[02:26:30] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy ^^
[02:26:59] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: the MESA 7177 only has positive outs
[02:27:18] <MacGalempsy> they had the relays, but not the bases
[02:27:35] <MacGalempsy> so 2 days isnt so bad. it gives me some time to work on cleaning up the wiring clutter
[02:27:36] <bobo_> Question might be --why is a EE behind the counter ?
[02:27:50] <Tom_itx> you can't switch the wires on the relay??
[02:28:00] <MacGalempsy> i tried that but it started smoking
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[02:28:19] <MacGalempsy> just playing it safe
[02:28:31] <Tom_itx> there's gotta be a way... it's just a friggin relay
[02:28:55] <MacGalempsy> its cool. i just put them in the electrical stuff I got and marked them for a future project
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[02:29:33] <MacGalempsy> anyone build one of these?
http://www.homebuiltedmmachines.com/index.php?page=home
[02:31:22] <XXCoder1> interesting
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[02:34:34] <MacGalempsy> I just ordered the pulse starter kit for $88.
[02:35:03] <MacGalempsy> this will be perfect for making a small EDM!
[02:35:37] <Tom_itx> or knockin yourself on your butt
[02:36:05] <MacGalempsy> hehe! part of the build will be a wooden floor
[02:37:01] <XXCoder1> rubber platform on glass
[02:37:11] <XXCoder1> very good non-conductivity
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[02:40:44] <bobo_> Ben Fleming ----- I saw a EDM set-up at the michigian model show --several years ago------was impressed
[02:41:26] <MacGalempsy> to my surprise, he works at the University of Arkansas, where my wife is attending
[02:41:55] <bobo_> go pick his brain
[02:42:22] <MacGalempsy> once I get it going, I might go over and buy the guy a beer (if I ever start drinking again!)
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[02:42:52] <bobo_> red pop works
[02:43:30] <MacGalempsy> so many people dont trust people who dont drink!
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[02:44:22] <bobo_> me ---i would stay away from Pets yellow snow stuff
[02:44:35] <MacGalempsy> bahahaha.
[02:45:34] <PetefromTn_> WHY man it is good!
[02:45:48] <MacGalempsy> what is the recipe?
[02:46:15] <XXCoder1> hey wolf
[02:46:15] <MacGalempsy> all our snow melted this morning (after salting the driveway at 0400)
[02:46:43] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it has four cups pure WHITE snow, a cup of condensed milk, 1/4 cup sugar, 1 teaspoon vanilla, and some other stuff....
[02:47:15] <MacGalempsy> oh, that doesnt sound too bad
[02:47:42] <PetefromTn_> its really surprisingly good I tell ya. I ate two bowls of it LOL
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[02:48:21] <bobo_> EDM one of the big things is dielectric.-----water is a really usefull dielectric , but there is some condicution needed or else the voltage is too high
[02:48:23] <PetefromTn_> after our Shrimp fettucini and Spinach pies it was a nice desert..
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[02:50:00] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/97sxZol.jpg MMmmmmm!! LOL
[02:50:47] <bobo_> O no yellow snow -- with cheese cake --- talk about yeng vers yang
[02:51:00] <MacGalempsy> looks like you sprinkled it on the shrimp
[02:51:17] <PetefromTn_> no thats pecorino romano hehe
[02:51:38] <PetefromTn_> and no we don't have any cheesecake which is something of a capital crime if you ask me...
[02:51:49] <PetefromTn_> so the snow cream is gonna have to do.
[02:55:26] <furrywolf> got my chinese test indicator in the mail... seems to work acceptably.
[02:56:17] <bobo_> indicator of what ?
[02:56:52] <furrywolf> of movement?
[02:57:33] <furrywolf> a dial indicator with a little lever on the bottom making it a flippy thingy instead of a pushy thingy.
[02:57:53] <bobo_> Oh -----good
[02:58:11] <furrywolf> need to square my mill... but that'll probably get put off for a while now.
[02:58:23] <XXCoder1> cool
[02:58:32] <XXCoder1> sigh really need to get my cnc rolling lol
[02:58:37] <XXCoder1> stalled for over year now
[02:59:09] * furrywolf bolts XXCoder1's walk/stop sign to it, and sets it to "walk", to see if that gets him out of "stop".
[02:59:18] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:59:29] <XXCoder1> that would be funny use
[02:59:36] <XXCoder1> if I had big cnc mill I would use it
[02:59:49] <XXCoder1> walk for running and stop for finished/problem
[02:59:53] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder1: where are you on the project? we seem to be in a similar boat
[03:00:04] <XXCoder1> MacGalempsy: I has all electrics but zero fram,e\
[03:00:21] <furrywolf> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1963/030quot_Dial_Test_Indicator_0005quot got one of those
[03:00:22] <MacGalempsy> that can be a problem
[03:00:38] <XXCoder1> MacGalempsy: Im also not sure how to build it
[03:00:44] <XXCoder1> and willpower lacking
[03:01:01] <MacGalempsy> haha, you just dont hate your day-to-day job enough!
[03:01:02] <XXCoder1> also too busy fixing cars, my car is fine now but van is having couple major issues with egr and iaxc
[03:01:39] <XXCoder1> need that type of dial indictor
[03:01:41] <XXCoder1> maybe later
[03:01:42] <furrywolf> you haven't fixed the egr yet?
[03:01:47] <XXCoder1> it is fixed in car
[03:01:53] <XXCoder1> van also has same issue
[03:02:00] <furrywolf> what was it on the car?
[03:02:17] * furrywolf always wants to know what the problem turned out to be, to use as a data point for future repairs
[03:02:18] <XXCoder1> the holes near trottle block was completely blocked
[03:02:23] <XXCoder1> carbomn
[03:02:24] <jdh> got pedals?
[03:02:30] <jdh> <urk>
[03:02:37] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: as I said, 90% of the time it's a coked up line. lol
[03:02:38] <XXCoder1> I made internal tube inside manfold very clean
[03:02:54] <XXCoder1> and it passed stall test!
[03:02:56] <XXCoder1> finally.
[03:03:05] <furrywolf> stalled when you applied vacuum to the valve?
[03:03:10] <XXCoder1> easy to do, just connect egr vaccum line to vaccum source
[03:03:14] <XXCoder1> boom barely could run
[03:03:19] <furrywolf> yep :)
[03:03:28] <XXCoder1> I tried directly making vaccum myself, could make it stall a little
[03:03:48] <furrywolf> easiest way to determine if the problem is in the egr flow path, or in the controls/sensors.
[03:03:52] <XXCoder1> I need to do same test on van before I try remove trottle (basically same design)
[03:04:13] * furrywolf has fixed too many cars
[03:04:38] <XXCoder1> hmm lemme try now brb
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[03:16:07] <bobo_> MacGalempsy EDM as i have been led to believe the mach.makers include a book listing best volt amp feed-rate settings for materials. you mught try to get that info before building a mach
[03:16:41] <bobo_> also best wire type
[03:17:24] <zeeshan> HElLO BOBO
[03:17:42] <bobo_> Hi zeeshan
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[03:19:07] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16433008947/
[03:19:10] * zeeshan was having fun today
[03:19:18] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16454121839/in/photostream/
[03:19:21] <zeeshan> can you tell what it is? :-)
[03:19:51] * furrywolf can!
[03:19:59] <furrywolf> they're links to an annoying image hosting service.
[03:20:06] <zeeshan> haha
[03:21:05] <furrywolf> it's your blue part, magnified.
[03:21:20] <zeeshan> yessir
[03:21:26] <zeeshan> that thing has some serious angles in it
[03:21:28] <bobo_> one i have is tan
[03:21:37] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: hey
[03:21:46] <XXCoder1> well dunno result on this test
[03:21:57] <XXCoder1> I disconnected vacuum source and connected egr to it
[03:22:20] <furrywolf> hey hey my my rock and roll etc? P
[03:22:23] <XXCoder1> it didn't stall but later when I just left source disconnected it stalls a little I guess because it needs vacuum to run stuff
[03:22:44] <furrywolf> no, it's because you're creating a vacuum leak.
[03:22:46] <XXCoder1> there is no other source of vacuum, ford cougar was easier because it had source with 3 connectors so I could skip one
[03:23:06] <XXCoder1> I could not suck hard enough to do anything
[03:23:22] <furrywolf> when you let it suck air in, the air doesn't go through the mass airflow sensor (or carb, if you have an old car), and doesn't result in any fuel being added to go with the air, causing it to lean and run rough.
[03:23:24] <XXCoder1> so either it failed or I suck on suckoing lol
[03:23:42] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: it ran fine with egr connected to vacuum though
[03:23:43] <furrywolf> I'd say the test failed, and you probably have another plugged line or passageway.
[03:23:47] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:24:00] <furrywolf> right. the egr valve is sealed - once the valve moves, it doesn't suck any additional air in.
[03:24:07] <furrywolf> but with the line just open, it sucks air in continually.
[03:24:18] <furrywolf> the vacuum side is just a diaphragm
[03:24:38] <XXCoder1> it stuck to vacumm source just fine, so line could hold vacuum
[03:24:43] <XXCoder1> so egr is fine just clogged stuff
[03:25:01] <XXCoder1> it wasnt fastened to vacuum source, its too small hose to bigger connector
[03:25:10] <furrywolf> most likely a clog, could also be a bad valve. clogs are more common.
[03:25:30] <XXCoder1> yeah plan to clean it out when has time and car fueled up
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[03:33:43] <bobo_> zeeshan that looks like the so called "blue " part on the shadow graph "
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[03:41:17] <zeeshan> yessir
[03:41:18] <zeeshan> :]
[03:41:24] <zeeshan> i have an accurate model of it now
[03:41:34] <zeeshan> within a thou or two
[03:41:46] <PetefromTn_> thats a mile heh.
[03:42:07] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[03:42:14] <zeeshan> whats a mile
[03:42:31] <PetefromTn_> just bustin your chops man..
[03:42:32] <zeeshan> a mile is 6336000 thousands
[03:42:33] <furrywolf> why do you need an accurate model of the cam? I thought you were only making a new cylinder...
[03:42:43] <zeeshan> furrywolf: want to fully simulate
[03:42:45] <zeeshan> before making
[03:43:00] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you lost a decimal somewhere
[03:43:01] <zeeshan> perhpas moving the cam to a seperate unit and using a standard single acting hydraulic cylinder
[03:43:07] <zeeshan> did i
[03:43:10] <zeeshan> whoops i did
[03:43:28] <zeeshan> i also missed a t in thousandths
[03:43:39] <zeeshan> and an h :(
[03:43:44] <furrywolf> lol
[03:43:46] <Crom_> ugh mach3 suxs
[03:44:09] <zeeshan> crom you just found out? :)
[03:44:36] <Crom_> ugh mach3 suxs BIG TIME
[03:44:40] <zeeshan> i was trying to think about this, for position control
[03:44:44] <zeeshan> proportional -> position
[03:44:47] <zeeshan> derviative -> velocity
[03:44:54] <zeeshan> integral -> ?????
[03:45:32] <zeeshan> i was going through my notes,, we had a d^2 too
[03:45:36] <zeeshan> which would i guess be acceleration
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[03:47:01] <PetefromTn_> Crom_ Agreed...
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[03:49:51] <bobo_> if it wasn't for mach3 , i do not think there would be as much DUI cnc
[03:50:27] <PetefromTn_> so folks drive their CNC's under the influence because of Mach3 then?
[03:50:42] <bobo_> DUI = do it yourself
[03:50:52] <mozmck> that would be DIY
[03:50:56] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[03:51:45] <furrywolf> lol
[03:51:59] <mozmck> DUI = Driving Under the Influence (of alcohol), possibly because of trying to use mach3 ;)
[03:52:25] <PetefromTn_> it drove them to drink hehe
[03:52:28] <furrywolf> flashcut will drive you to drinking too. :)
[03:52:43] <bobo_> yes DIY --- must have been thinking yellow snow
[03:52:56] <PetefromTn_> or perhaps you ate too much yellow snow?
[03:53:05] <mozmck> I see some people who really like flashcut - never have used it or even seen it really.
[03:53:17] <XXCoder2> ate yellow snow before
[03:53:24] <XXCoder2> apple juice with snow
[03:56:58] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wt5EV2LMcc
[03:57:02] <zeeshan> i found an animation for my drawbar
[03:57:41] <zeeshan> lol wtf
[03:58:33] <XXCoder2> I guess blue/purple thingy is coolant
[04:00:32] <PetefromTn_> LOL that would have been helpful when you first started tearing into the damn thing huh..
[04:01:06] <furrywolf> that's a different cam profile than yours
[04:01:20] <zeeshan> yea i just noticed
[04:01:25] <zeeshan> and the hyd cyl is a bit diff
[04:02:46] <zeeshan> pete
[04:02:48] <zeeshan> did you see the tool kart
[04:02:53] <zeeshan> cart
[04:03:42] <PetefromTn_> nope
[04:04:13] <zeeshan> https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8575/16630381372_c44af76dfb_k.jpg
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[04:04:19] <zeeshan> im gonna modify it to add a plywood top to hold my comp
[04:04:26] <zeeshan> i feel like i can hang stuff from the sides of it
[04:04:27] <zeeshan> more stuff
[04:04:34] <zeeshan> like wrenches and stuff for the machine
[04:04:37] <PetefromTn_> hey that is not bad huh
[04:04:43] <zeeshan> yea man
[04:04:51] <zeeshan> you were right that its easier just to get the cart
[04:04:57] <XXCoder2> dont forget to use time lord tech like you did for rest of garage you somehow fit all that stuff in lol
[04:04:59] <zeeshan> rather than building one
[04:05:00] <PetefromTn_> sure
[04:05:09] <zeeshan> it needs a paintjob
[04:05:13] <furrywolf> ah, the ubiquitous chinese clamping set.
[04:05:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: AWESOMELY CHEAP!
[04:05:21] <zeeshan> and works!@
[04:05:33] <furrywolf> yep. I have one too. :P
[04:05:34] <zeeshan> you know american sets are like 300$+
[04:05:35] <PetefromTn_> nothing wrong with those clamping sets..
[04:05:43] <zeeshan> i aint paying that for a bunch of bolts.
[04:05:44] <zeeshan> f that
[04:05:46] <furrywolf> $40 from harbor freight
[04:05:57] <zeeshan> yea this is $60 from busybee tools
[04:06:01] <zeeshan> canadian tax :-)
[04:06:18] <PetefromTn_> I need to get another set.
[04:06:24] <zeeshan> its useful!
[04:06:50] <zeeshan> im thinking i should move the tool racks a bit higher
[04:06:59] <zeeshan> and use the space under em for stuff
[04:07:01] <PetefromTn_> definitely
[04:07:10] <zeeshan> but what i need more tool space!
[04:07:17] <PetefromTn_> I keep my angle plates and collet chucks down there.
[04:07:30] <zeeshan> nice
[04:07:48] <zeeshan> im thinking of moving my granite table on it too
[04:07:51] <zeeshan> its in the basement right now
[04:07:56] <zeeshan> its a tiny one
[04:08:00] <PetefromTn_> thats what mine has LOL.
[04:08:03] <PetefromTn_> it is on top...
[04:08:11] <bobo_> zeeshan your finding that ott-jakob thing amazes me. good job
[04:08:12] <zeeshan> nice
[04:08:40] <zeeshan> bobo_: google hard enough till your eyes blow up
[04:08:41] <zeeshan> :(
[04:08:56] <zeeshan> i have a bit of OCD
[04:09:01] <zeeshan> more than a bit
[04:09:24] <zeeshan> do you guys check all your power switches once
[04:09:25] <zeeshan> or twice?
[04:09:34] <zeeshan> before exiting the shop
[04:10:34] <furrywolf> we check power switches?
[04:10:40] <zeeshan> :-(
[04:10:57] <PetefromTn_> I shut down the machine, pull the main disconnect on the back, then unplug the compressor and everything else and then go inside and flick the breaker to the machine generall...
[04:11:01] <bobo_> also ---and Pete too--check out the clamping system at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2j2jRf4Js .
[04:11:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: even after i do something similar
[04:11:55] <zeeshan> i gotta go back and check once more :{
[04:13:18] <furrywolf> I shut the power to my entire house off at night, does that count?
[04:13:48] <zeeshan> haha
[04:13:50] <zeeshan> are you serious
[04:14:08] <furrywolf> except during the summer
[04:14:10] <Crom_> laterz
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[04:14:44] <furrywolf> I should note that shutting off the inverter on my solar system is primarily to save battery charge...
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[04:16:27] <XXCoder2> nice
[04:16:34] <XXCoder2> off grid or just power boost
[04:16:47] <furrywolf> off-grid
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[04:26:26] <bobo_> zeeshan did you also see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRxIzYHgj6o , which shows the fingers being locked .
[04:27:34] <XXCoder2> nice
[04:30:10] <zeeshan> that looks crazy
[04:30:13] <zeeshan> very different from mine i think
[04:31:33] <bobo_> just the finger part ? may be same/similar
[04:33:35] <XXCoder2> damn
[04:33:36] <XXCoder2> http://makezine.com/2015/02/24/beautiful-weeds-preserve-a-dandelion-in-resin/
[04:33:38] <XXCoder2> I want one
[04:37:10] <XXCoder2> I also want alum chips one
[04:37:22] <XXCoder2> but not because of magic crap stuff I see online lol
[04:38:48] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: are u having to fabricate a whole new drawbar?
[04:39:22] <XXCoder2> http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/images/pics_rev/tb&hhg.jpg
[04:39:31] <XXCoder2> guys making em for "aura" stuff
[04:39:36] <XXCoder2> but I like the look
[04:39:43] <XXCoder2> so I wanna make em
[04:39:50] <XXCoder2> not exactly same though
[04:41:15] <zeeshan> no mac
[04:41:19] <zeeshan> justthe tube
[04:42:08] <furrywolf> that's new-age crap... you see them posted on craigslist about how they channel energy even better than crystals... yay defective people.
[04:42:13] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: check this out
http://www.homebuiltedmmachines.com/index.php?page=home
[04:42:18] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: yeah woo woo stuff
[04:42:32] <XXCoder2> I just like look. I want big sphere of it or something
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[04:43:07] <zeeshan> lol
[04:43:09] <zeeshan> thats sweet dude!
[04:43:12] <zeeshan> did you get one
[04:43:22] <XXCoder2> hell no Im not supporting any woo woo stuff
[04:43:34] <zeeshan> mac
[04:43:34] <zeeshan> :P
[04:43:36] <MacGalempsy> just ordered the board and the book. we'll see what the parts cost is
[04:43:40] <XXCoder2> oh didnt see, sorry
[04:43:49] <zeeshan> what th ehell is woo woo stuff
[04:43:50] <zeeshan> haha
[04:43:55] <XXCoder2> crazy stuff
[04:43:55] <zeeshan> hookers?
[04:43:57] <zeeshan> oh
[04:44:00] <XXCoder2> spirits and stuff
[04:44:06] <XXCoder2> "aura" so on
[04:44:09] <zeeshan> alcoholics
[04:44:11] <XXCoder2> no
[04:44:17] <zeeshan> oh
[04:44:18] <zeeshan> like ghosts
[04:44:26] <XXCoder2> yeah
[04:44:27] <zeeshan> energy
[04:44:37] <zeeshan> e=mc^2 answer to lifes questions
[04:44:44] <XXCoder2> nah
[04:44:46] <XXCoder2> 42 lol
[04:44:50] <zeeshan> its an inside joke for me
[04:44:50] <furrywolf> zeeshan: it's like how crystals help channel cosmic energy to boost your chi and make your bong work better.
[04:44:59] <zeeshan> i used to do some trolling on test papers
[04:45:18] <zeeshan> e= 1/2 mv^2
[04:45:24] <zeeshan> in the beginning of the paper i'd write
[04:45:27] <zeeshan> "let v = c"
[04:45:40] <zeeshan> then i'd write 2e = mc^2
[04:45:48] <zeeshan> troll
[04:46:07] <zeeshan> give me chi
[04:46:10] <zeeshan> to make a new hydraulic cylinder
[04:47:16] <furrywolf> it's, like, the crystals create a focal point for the cosmic energy that, like, makes the plants grow and, like, helps channel that energy directly into your chi and, like, gives you a positive aura and helps, like, relax you and improve your positive thinking, and... fucking it. I can't keep pretending to be that brain-damaged. I've met way too many people like that.
[04:47:35] <XXCoder2> yeah
[04:47:45] <XXCoder2> not common around here but yeah met a few
[04:48:02] <XXCoder2> belivers
[04:48:37] <furrywolf> they're sadly common here.
[04:48:46] <PetefromTn_> honestly to me I feel if it works for people and makes their lives better even if it is completely imagined then so be it...Happy for them.
[04:49:04] <XXCoder2> I prefer realism
[04:49:09] <furrywolf> that's the same argument people use for why we should tolerate religion.
[04:49:15] <XXCoder2> nobody can directly see it but I try to get as close as possible
[04:49:58] <PetefromTn_> we shouldn't tolerate religion?
[04:50:19] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: I agree.
[04:50:28] <XXCoder2> My view is simple. people can belive whatever as long as its stoved down my throat
[04:50:36] <MacGalempsy> as long as one finds inner peace, its all good!
[04:50:46] <XXCoder2> "Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat. "
[04:50:46] <zeeshan> im religious
[04:50:47] <zeeshan> becareful
[04:51:00] <furrywolf> lol
[04:51:07] <XXCoder2> zee sorry not being careful anytime soon
[04:51:36] * furrywolf will need to remember that quote
[04:51:36] <zeeshan> just like you don't like religious people's views
[04:51:41] <zeeshan> they dont like yours.
[04:51:48] <zeeshan> so please don't shove it in my childs face either
[04:51:49] <zeeshan> thank u
[04:51:52] <XXCoder2> I got no issue with that
[04:52:00] <MacGalempsy> im religious too, whats so bad about being a believer?
[04:52:17] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder2 have you ever traveled outside your native country?
[04:52:24] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: its not fair if it does not go both ways
[04:52:30] <zeeshan> yea!
[04:52:33] <zeeshan> neutrality is best
[04:52:46] <zeeshan> religious is a very personal thing
[04:52:53] <XXCoder2> I wish its true for everyone
[04:53:03] <zeeshan> anti-religion seems personal too
[04:53:08] <XXCoder2> notice I never say anything
[04:53:13] <furrywolf> except somehow way too many laws are based on religion
[04:53:22] <zeeshan> like what furrywolf?
[04:53:24] <XXCoder2> and im one of more miliant atheists out there
[04:53:33] <XXCoder2> but I keep it personal
[04:53:48] <furrywolf> zeeshan: anti-choice, anti-love, anti-"vice", etc, etc.
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[04:53:57] <zeeshan> gays should be burned
[04:54:05] * zeeshan is trolling
[04:54:10] * furrywolf beats zeeshan with a strapon
[04:54:10] <zeeshan> but i see what you mean
[04:54:17] <zeeshan> yea, i think let people be gay
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[04:54:17] <XXCoder2> you got dicked
[04:54:22] <XXCoder2> ;)
[04:54:24] <zeeshan> its their business
[04:54:30] <zeeshan> my problem with gays is
[04:54:45] <zeeshan> for some reason a lot of them feel the need to be super affectionate in front of others
[04:54:49] <XXCoder2> ah ah careful with "them"
[04:54:54] <MacGalempsy> some religions like Christianity and Islam say spreading the word is the responsible part of the religion. so how can you blame people for "whipping it out"?
[04:55:00] <XXCoder2> not everyone is same if member of same group
[04:55:50] <MacGalempsy> anyways before we get into religion too much. anyone got any EDM advice? lol
[04:55:57] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i want a taper burner edm
[04:56:00] <zeeshan> they are bad ass
[04:56:02] <XXCoder2> yeah wear lot of rubbers
[04:56:04] <XXCoder2> ;)
[04:56:04] <zeeshan> *tap
[04:56:04] * furrywolf will be much happier when religion is finally eliminated
[04:56:14] <zeeshan> religion keeps growing
[04:56:19] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: sure for a minute then theres new stuff
[04:56:24] <zeeshan> at a faster rate than athiesm
[04:56:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL Good luck with that...
[04:56:29] <zeeshan> so i dont think that's going to happen anytime soon
[04:56:29] <MacGalempsy> the taper would just be the electrode, or like a 5axis?
[04:56:32] <XXCoder2> we will always have problems
[04:56:43] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: was a typo
[04:56:46] <zeeshan> i meant tap
[04:57:08] <MacGalempsy> lol. that website I posted has a board for that kind, they call it a R/C EDM
[04:57:29] <PetefromTn_> you mean a sink edm?
[04:57:34] <zeeshan> well edm isn't really something fancy
[04:57:43] <zeeshan> its just puled high voltage dc
[04:57:44] <MacGalempsy> the R/C is the power type
[04:57:45] <zeeshan> pulsed
[04:57:48] <zeeshan> but high amperage
[04:57:51] <MacGalempsy> Resistor/ Capacitor
[04:57:52] <zeeshan> wait sorry,
[04:57:56] <zeeshan> low voltage, high amperage
[04:58:00] <furrywolf> zeeshan: fortunately, the percentage of religious people drops every year
[04:58:14] <zeeshan> furrywolf: hate religion all you want
[04:58:15] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: is that really a fortunate thing?
[04:58:26] <furrywolf> religion is rather unpopular when people are given a choice, and the efforts to try to get it out of schools are starting to work.
[04:58:28] <zeeshan> i can sense MacGalempsy and pete have faith
[04:58:32] <zeeshan> i will stick with my brothers :)
[04:58:35] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: yes
[04:59:02] <zeeshan> i have a choice
[04:59:04] <zeeshan> i choose to be religious
[04:59:10] <PetefromTn_> In my view Religion and Culture walk hand in hand and wish all you want but they will ALWAYS be a part of the human equation...
[04:59:14] <MacGalempsy> most studies show religious people have the best outlooks on life
[04:59:49] <zeeshan> we will all find out the truth one day
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[05:00:00] <MacGalempsy> in this day and age, I need all the help I can get to stay positive! hahaha
[05:00:04] <furrywolf> yes, because if you're completely delusional already, it helps you imagine everything else is all well and good too.
[05:00:16] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the problem with human beings is they think they know everything
[05:00:39] <MacGalempsy> not really delusional, but whats the worst thin that happens? I die and there is nothing? its a state of mind
[05:00:57] <XXCoder2> You're talking about thT P something wager
[05:01:09] <XXCoder2> pascal wager?
[05:01:19] <furrywolf> zeeshan: no, the problem with RELIGIOUS ones is they think they know everything, because they have faith in what they've been told.
[05:01:44] <zeeshan> the creator's message cannot be refuted
[05:01:53] <furrywolf> notice how every time there's more evidence something they believe is utterly wrong, they try to create excuses for it. remember, god put the dinosaur bones in the ground just to test you.
[05:02:03] <zeeshan> can you disprove religion?
[05:02:11] <zeeshan> you're gonna throw the theory of evolution at me?
[05:02:43] <zeeshan> i think religion has been distorted over time
[05:02:55] <zeeshan> it's like passing a message in a circle
[05:03:05] <zeeshan> it changes its meaning at the end
[05:03:09] <zeeshan> but the point is, the message was delivered
[05:03:16] <zeeshan> how you want to percieve it now is up to you
[05:03:21] <zeeshan> some choose to kill others
[05:03:25] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: thats why my view is that any claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
[05:03:26] <furrywolf> can you disprove evolution?
[05:03:37] <zeeshan> hell no
[05:03:40] <zeeshan> evolution definitely happened
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[05:04:15] <furrywolf> here's my theory: our planet was created by Dog. He drooled, and the oceans were formed. He scratched his fur, and all life fell out of it. You don't want to know where the mountains came from. Prove it wrong.
[05:04:27] <zeeshan> furrywolf: that is perfectly fine
[05:04:33] <zeeshan> if you really believe that
[05:04:34] <MacGalempsy> I think that goes back to the changing message. I mean when certain religious texts were written the understanding of the world was very different
[05:04:42] <zeeshan> then that's upto you
[05:04:43] <PetefromTn_> honestly furrywolf and XXcoder2 I am glad that you have the right to choose to not believe in anything that is a wonderful thing to have that right. What REALLY bothers me is the attitude you appear to have about it. Just because you choose to not believe in anything does not mean you are smarter or wiser than those who do. Your Attitude is disturbing at best.
[05:04:57] <zeeshan> ^
[05:04:59] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: Sorry if I seemed that way
[05:05:15] <zeeshan> #relgioncnc
[05:05:20] <zeeshan> :-)
[05:05:24] <PetefromTn_> I don't know how else it could be taken really..
[05:05:31] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I find people who talk to invisible personal beings disturbing, and think they need psychriatric care.
[05:05:33] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: point mine out
[05:05:38] <MacGalempsy> G-code = Godcode
[05:05:48] <zeeshan> furrywolf: do you really think
[05:05:52] <zeeshan> we can understand everything around us?
[05:06:04] <XXCoder2> That's what science is for
[05:06:05] <zeeshan> we can't even visualize 4d
[05:06:16] <zeeshan> science tries to prove things yea
[05:06:21] <furrywolf> nope. I do, however, rather strongly think that the answer isn't to make crap up, and even worse, stick to that crap in face of better ideas.
[05:06:24] <zeeshan> and comes up with laws that predict certain behaviours
[05:06:26] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: its all about discovery
[05:06:38] <zeeshan> but do you really think we're capable of understanding erverything?
[05:06:41] <XXCoder2> and easiest person to fool you? yourself.
[05:06:45] <zeeshan> if you with suskind's lectures
[05:06:59] <zeeshan> he comes to a point where he's like "some things are beyond our understanding"
[05:07:02] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: we did not understand how orbits worked back then. we do now
[05:07:09] <XXCoder2> knowledge marches on
[05:07:13] <zeeshan> dude
[05:07:16] <zeeshan> those things are a joke
[05:07:20] <furrywolf> if no one knows something, the answer is that no one knows it. the answer isn't to make up some story about imaginary all-powerful beings who made it that way.
[05:07:25] <zeeshan> we can figure it out
[05:07:27] <zeeshan> like isaid
[05:07:29] <XXCoder2> we build on previous knowledge and reject wrong notions. that is all
[05:07:38] <XXCoder2> I know I have been wrong many times
[05:07:39] <zeeshan> we can never ever see 4 dimensionally
[05:07:41] <zeeshan> if we tried.
[05:07:45] <zeeshan> we were born in a 3D world
[05:07:46] <XXCoder2> more times than I care to admit
[05:07:52] <zeeshan> shit we even have to represent 1d and 2d
[05:07:54] <zeeshan> in a 3d perspective
[05:07:56] <zeeshan> to understand it
[05:08:06] <zeeshan> can you imagine a line by itself?
[05:08:11] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: there is notions that universe really is 12D
[05:08:15] <zeeshan> almost everyone has to join 2 dots in space
[05:08:23] <zeeshan> to come up with a 2d line
[05:08:31] <XXCoder2> (time is seperate, that is why we say 3 + 1 dimension)
[05:08:31] <zeeshan> yea string theory says that
[05:08:34] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: I think if you look at modern science, and some of the explainations of how processes work, you would find the same thing. people made up storys (hypotheses) to explain a phenomenon
[05:08:45] <zeeshan> einsteins didnt thingso.
[05:08:48] <zeeshan> he called it spacetime.
[05:08:52] <zeeshan> they go hand in hand
[05:08:54] <zeeshan> which is why we have gravity
[05:09:03] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: well I hope it leads to cheat on speed limit of light speed, we really need ftl travel.
[05:09:12] <MacGalempsy> evenutally after testing those hypotheses particular ones were disproved and others were accepted.
[05:09:16] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: but scientists are more than happy to change their opinions when better theories come along, while religiousists stick to the same crap no matter what happens.
[05:09:22] <zeeshan> i don't think he's unreasonable to think that there are things beyond our abilities
[05:09:28] <zeeshan> he= it's
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[05:09:38] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: relious people that can accept change is fine to me
[05:09:47] <MacGalempsy> with religion, it is similar, but the problem is so complex that no one can solve it, so we just do the best we can
[05:09:53] <XXCoder2> (bit of irony) evolution of religion.
[05:10:27] <XXCoder2> MacGalempsy: I have a problem when religion tells person to supress other people rights.
[05:10:28] <PetefromTn_> as Zeeshan said earlier Religion is a very personal thing. If you choose to believe whatever it is you believe that is your choice and you can either choose to respect the person for that choice or call him or her names and show animosity towards them both of which only proves to show your own inadequacy.
[05:10:34] <XXCoder2> women seem to have it down hard.
[05:10:35] <MacGalempsy> the underlying factor is that something (God) put this all in motion, and we want to worship that
[05:10:40] <furrywolf> religion is very against evolution of religion... every time a religion tries to evolve, it's historically resulted in bloodshed, because religion is all about not thinking...
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[05:11:11] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: no, Dog did. see above. no one has yet proven me wrong, so I must be right.
[05:11:26] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: I have tried my best to respect everyone. I give it stright what I think when argument is related. not other times.
[05:11:29] <furrywolf> also, the world is only a week old. all of your memories, including those of your god, were put there by Dog to test your faith.
[05:11:34] <XXCoder2> I suck on social stuff
[05:12:00] <zeeshan> no matter if youre gay or straight
[05:12:10] <zeeshan> no matter what your race
[05:12:22] <zeeshan> no matter what your views towards religion are
[05:12:23] <XXCoder2> or species. (joking)
[05:12:24] <zeeshan> i love you ALL
[05:12:29] <zeeshan> cause you are all my cnc buddies!
[05:12:41] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: you're cool man :)
[05:12:52] <MacGalempsy> so one part of religion is obvious how things came to be, but the other part is that it was around before organized governance, so it can fundamentaly be a control technique
[05:12:58] <zeeshan> this is the best chatroom in the world
[05:13:09] <zeeshan> so glad i found it :d
[05:13:13] <XXCoder2> yeah
[05:13:19] <furrywolf> but it could be better. there's no one for me to curl up on in here. :(
[05:13:20] <XXCoder2> #cnc and #diycnc suck
[05:13:36] * furrywolf needs to get katsmeow in here
[05:13:37] <MacGalempsy> I wish the conversation got this lively when I needed LinuxCNC help! hahahahaa
[05:13:45] <zeeshan> furrywolf: get mr dog :-)
[05:13:51] <zeeshan> i want a dog
[05:13:56] <zeeshan> but i dont think i can handle the walks
[05:14:00] <XXCoder2> diycnc is silent with sucky mod that kick because i didnt complete all sentance at once in single line
[05:14:10] <zeeshan> XXCoder2: most of those are 3d printing channels
[05:14:11] <zeeshan> lol
[05:14:11] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: we have 4 dogs. come get one
[05:14:12] <XXCoder2> sometimes I think and add stuff man
[05:14:12] <PetefromTn_> the reality is that those that believe in whatever their religion is are going to do it whether you like it or not. anything you do that you think will change that is futile at best. The ONLY real answer in the world to change the wars and killing related to religion is for people to become accepting of others beliefs. Unfortunatley for some religions this goes against thier beliefs.
[05:14:25] <MacGalempsy> if you dont like it, bring it back
[05:14:27] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: you show up at like 3am
[05:14:29] <zeeshan> lol
[05:14:42] <zeeshan> no MacGalempsy i couldnt break a dogs heart like that
[05:14:43] <XXCoder2> 9 pm gonna go soon. got stuff to do then bed
[05:14:53] <zeeshan> they are so loyal
[05:15:02] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: indeed. that is why I usually do not debate about religion
[05:15:03] <zeeshan> no matter how much of a dick you are to them
[05:15:05] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: which is why we need to eliminate religion from schools and anywhere else young people might be exposed to it, so we can save their minds before it's too late to change them.
[05:15:10] <XXCoder2> I has a analog but it is really offensive
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[05:15:33] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: it's always gonna happen unfortunately
[05:15:40] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: if you want I can send you pm if you promose not to be offended, because I warned you
[05:15:46] <furrywolf> lol
[05:16:13] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately by doing so much like the passage of time and loss of culture doing that would be more tragic than the alternatives...
[05:16:22] <furrywolf> I'd love another dog, but I don't have the time to properly care for one... dogs are family members, not objects.
[05:16:30] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder2 No thank you I do not wish to receive any anti anything from anyone..
[05:16:36] <MacGalempsy> how can one promise to not be offended?
[05:16:37] <furrywolf> change isn't always a loss.
[05:16:44] <PetefromTn_> sure it is...
[05:17:08] <furrywolf> why can't we have a change to a culture based on thinking, compassion, exploration, and love of your fellow people?
[05:17:10] <XXCoder2> MacGalempsy: what it means is that get offended but accept and move on
[05:17:21] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could bring back even a small fraction of the culture my family enjoyed into my kids lives
[05:17:28] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: its anti argument with other side actually but yeah offensive
[05:17:29] * furrywolf wouldn't consider this a loss
[05:17:41] <Crom_> one would think that a wizard for cutting around a rectangle would put the rectangle in the middle of the work area.... ARGHHH
[05:17:52] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: world is quite different now :/
[05:17:58] <zeeshan> i miss the 80s
[05:18:00] <zeeshan> when i was born
[05:18:03] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder2: lol. fair enough, I guess
[05:18:03] <zeeshan> it was different
[05:18:08] <PetefromTn_> yes it is.. and so much beauty has been lost.
[05:18:10] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: yeah there is one and only one human constant
[05:18:15] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: change.
[05:18:23] <PetefromTn_> disagree
[05:18:24] <XXCoder2> everything will change but change itself
[05:18:49] <PetefromTn_> I have had the good fortune to travel to a lot of other countries
[05:18:52] <Crom_> ditto Thn again I was born with a Texan in the whitehouse
[05:19:06] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: I do want to
[05:19:09] <Crom_> not GW or GH they are from Boston
[05:19:17] <XXCoder2> but I cant afford it AND pay interpeters
[05:19:21] <XXCoder2> two interpeters
[05:19:33] <XXCoder2> one to english then uet another to country language
[05:19:34] <PetefromTn_> and the one thing that always amazes me is the beauty and variety that comes from the cultures of other peoples much of which is largely based upon their religious beliefs.
[05:20:08] <MacGalempsy> somehow I endup visiting socialist and communist countries
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[05:20:13] <PetefromTn_> even in the most impoverished countries and most desperate situations
[05:20:29] <furrywolf> I want to visit bangladesh and get a good curry.
[05:20:40] <furrywolf> unfortunately, traval is not compatible with my finances.
[05:20:44] <PetefromTn_> people have a way to cling to thier religious and cultural beliefs and it is a PRIVELEGE to see and experience it.
[05:21:12] <Crom_> PetefromTn_: yeah, i love the wood working from the quakers nd Amish, and Menenites
[05:21:50] <XXCoder2> I still remember 80s
[05:21:52] <furrywolf> bbl, it's now past my bedtime, and I'm exhausted. didn't get much sleep last night thinking about family.
[05:21:58] <XXCoder2> now its very different
[05:22:03] <XXCoder2> amazing
[05:22:05] <PetefromTn_> quite frankly in my short experience on this earth I cannot imagine a world without religion... it would be the literal destruction of our world and would destroy so much of what is most beutiful about humanity..
[05:22:20] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: we will pray that the lord presents himself to you in a dream tonight
[05:22:22] <MacGalempsy> lol
[05:22:29] <XXCoder2> I probably will live abother 30 years. thats equal time distance to 80s
[05:22:36] <XXCoder2> I cant image what it will be life.
[05:23:40] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: it'll be so horrible when people use their brains, don't kill each other for no reason, try to advance our understanding of the world, and love each other... gah, the horror.
[05:23:45] <furrywolf> bbl
[05:23:46] <XXCoder2> change. the constant. PetefromTn_ that is why I don't push atheism to everyone. either it blooms or it dies out. so be it.
[05:24:04] <PetefromTn_> just because technology and innovation flourishes does not mean culture and religion must be layed by the wayside. In Fact I think that it is an integral part of the future and hopefully we can bring the most beautiful and colorful traditions and rituals along for the ride.
[05:24:36] <XXCoder2> I just hope that humans will treat each other better across time. no more supressions, no more murder because person thought different.
[05:24:52] <XXCoder2> there will always be traditions
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[05:25:11] <PetefromTn_> I think I have said my peace here.
[05:25:11] <XXCoder2> some last briefly, some last very long time
[05:25:30] <PetefromTn_> I hope my words did not offend anyone
[05:25:37] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: not for me
[05:25:45] <XXCoder2> sure I disagree to it some but thats normal
[05:26:27] <XXCoder2> and above: s/life/like
[05:27:57] <XXCoder2> ell time for me to make a change of state and get ready on stuff then sleep. night all :)
[05:28:51] <Crom_> not here either, I'm Budhist, wife is Wiccan
[05:28:52] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[05:29:18] <Crom_> nite
[05:30:18] <Crom_> <-listening to Steam Powered Giraffe
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[05:31:47] <Crom_> Broke a bit tonight 1/8" end mill
[05:32:03] <Crom_> damn wizards
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[05:32:21] * PetefromTn_ <--- enjoying some moby and massive attack
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[05:33:16] <bobo_> Moby ?
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[05:34:54] <zeeshan> bobo_: too new for you!
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[05:38:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah Moby..
[05:38:56] <bobo_> the whale song ?
[05:43:20] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLOgY8hWe1I
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[05:48:57] <bobo_> Oh David whats his face-- (Bourne )
[05:49:35] <PetefromTn_> my wife brought home some magazines from work they laid out for patients to read. Several of them are Machine Design.com. Very cool stuff...
[05:51:52] <bobo_> pete did you see that hyd hold down --you-tube ?---for when vacume table is not enough
[05:52:06] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WUh6jVNX9c Massive Attack..
[05:52:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did. Looks expensive heh
[05:52:34] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/freescales-popular-i-mx6-soc-sprouts-a-cortex-m4-mcu/ imx6 with an integrated 200Mhz M4 uC, if they connected it to some GPIO this will be a perfect low power CNC controller SOC
[05:53:14] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about building something shop made that uses the vacuum clamping with some ground location pins for pallet changing as well as vacuum clamping in general. Basically a poor mans version of the mitee bite 300 series..
[05:53:32] <bobo_> make your own ---- use harbor f air over hyd
[05:54:25] <bobo_> air over hyd pump
[05:54:45] <PetefromTn_> what does that air/hydro pump give you?
[05:56:06] <bobo_> air pressure pumping oil cyl for higher pressure
[05:56:57] <bobo_> higher oil pressure
[05:57:29] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQD2oxtw5jk This is basically what I am after...just cheaper hehe
[05:58:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: put on your fishnets...
[05:58:56] <PetefromTn_> ?
[06:00:40] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: why dont you just make one?
[06:00:59] <PetefromTn_> I would but right now I can't afford the damn materials LOL
[06:01:18] <zeeshan> bobo
[06:01:18] <PetefromTn_> would need a couple hundred bucks worth of fortal plate.
[06:01:19] <zeeshan> http://gifmaker.cc/PlayFrameAnimation.php?folder=2015022417hrP83BoLNQ8A0VS6tOmEnU
[06:01:32] <zeeshan> unclamped
[06:01:33] <zeeshan> to clamped state
[06:01:44] <PetefromTn_> nice graphic
[06:01:51] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: very nice gfx
[06:02:03] <zeeshan> thank you!
[06:02:21] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: nice work!
[06:02:33] <XXCoder2> glad I checked in time lol
[06:02:48] <zeeshan> mitee bite makes some good stuff
[06:03:03] <zeeshan> i want their clamps
[06:03:05] <zeeshan> that grab from the sides
[06:04:26] <zeeshan> has anyone looked at
[06:04:37] <zeeshan> how to correlate servo motor current
[06:04:40] <zeeshan> to feed force?
[06:04:57] <bobo_> zeeshan that is very good . hope you look into making replacements ---- could be worthwile for you
[06:05:08] <XXCoder2> night all
[06:05:13] <Cromaglious> nite
[06:05:18] <zeeshan> bobo_: patent infrigement lol
[06:05:23] <zeeshan> nite XXCoder2
[06:05:24] <XXCoder2> oh looks like update shutdown. thats fun
[06:05:26] <XXCoder2> laters
[06:05:36] <PetefromTn_> gn8
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[06:05:50] <zeeshan> honestly icould just replace my drawbar with a 1800psi hyd cylinder
[06:05:51] <zeeshan> lever arm
[06:05:58] <zeeshan> and some belleville stacks and itd be cheaper and easier
[06:06:04] <MacGalempsy> gnite
[06:06:04] <zeeshan> but ireally like this cam lock mechanism
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[06:10:36] <PetefromTn_> http://fox13now.com/2015/02/24/watch-christina-aguileras-hilarious-spot-on-impression-of-britney-spears/ Very funny stuff...
[06:15:23] <MacGalempsy> that was a great impression
[06:16:47] <zeeshan> shes good
[06:16:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right. She is pretty damn talented.
[06:17:27] <MacGalempsy> she looks more endowed
[06:17:29] <MacGalempsy> than usual
[06:17:43] <PetefromTn_> there is that too...
[06:18:12] <zeeshan> guys always go for the boobies
[06:18:28] <PetefromTn_> actually I am more of a leg man...
[06:18:33] <zeeshan> lol
[06:18:35] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[06:18:51] <MacGalempsy> haha.
[06:19:24] <MacGalempsy> this whole DIY EDM thing has got my mind racing around
[06:20:11] <PetefromTn_> there was a project awhile ago on the home machinist forum where folks were building a simple sink edm machine I am sure you could find it with a google search pretty easily.
[06:20:33] <PetefromTn_> or maybe it was in the Home machinist magazine?
[06:20:43] <MacGalempsy> it looks like a mill with a differnt head
[06:20:50] <MacGalempsy> and a tank
[06:20:51] <zeeshan> http://www.kistler.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/media/933-971_web.png
[06:20:55] <zeeshan> how would i mount a sensor like this
[06:21:00] <zeeshan> to measure cutting forces on the cnc
[06:21:02] <zeeshan> would be COOL
[06:21:42] <MacGalempsy> from all the machines I see on ebay, the power source is the most expensive part
[06:21:57] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[06:21:59] <zeeshan> the edm?
[06:22:08] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[06:22:16] <zeeshan> i think its cause its low voltage
[06:22:18] <zeeshan> high current pulses
[06:22:24] <zeeshan> you prolly need fancy electronics to do that
[06:22:59] <zeeshan> maybe it can be done using IGBTs ?
[06:23:29] <MacGalempsy> that website I posted as the board to make the pulse powersupply
[06:23:44] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/IXGK320N60B3/IXGK320N60B3-ND/3586354
[06:23:44] <zeeshan> wow
[06:23:47] <PetefromTn_> MacGalempsy I apologise man that link you showed IS the same sink EDM I was talking about..
[06:23:47] <zeeshan> this baby can handle 500A
[06:25:15] <PetefromTn_> probably be cheaper to just find a used CNC EDM and retrofit it than build one from scratch possibly.
[06:25:33] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Charmilles-110-EDM-sinker-machine-/271773566948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f46f787e4
[06:25:36] <bobo_> EDM power supply is the main part and it's control is the secret
[06:25:38] <PetefromTn_> or at least easier
[06:25:52] <MacGalempsy> theres the mechanical, then solder the powersupply together and automate
[06:26:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah simple as dirt right ;)
[06:26:51] <bobo_> also the other main ingrediant is the dielectric
[06:26:53] <Cromaglious> t xxx11 xming running on the windows box yeah
[06:27:16] <MacGalempsy> yeah. 5gallons = $100
[06:27:22] <PetefromTn_> no idea what you area talking about man..
[06:28:14] <PetefromTn_> Feel like a damn winter shut in over here lately...
[06:28:23] <MacGalempsy> like bobo_ says. its about powersupply and feedrate
[06:28:24] <PetefromTn_> ready for some damn spring
[06:28:30] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i came across a sink edm
[06:28:33] <zeeshan> for $800
[06:28:42] <zeeshan> wanted it so bad, but couldnt fit in the garage
[06:29:15] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537463454/
[06:29:18] <zeeshan> there was so much shit for it
[06:30:03] <MacGalempsy> since I am just looking to interior parts, I figured a small desktop sinker EDM would be the right tool for the job
[06:30:04] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/city-of-toronto/monarch-lathe-for-sale-machine-shop-downsizing/1043312640?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[06:30:05] <zeeshan> wow
[06:30:11] <zeeshan> he still has it for sale!
[06:30:16] <zeeshan> even the monarch lathe
[06:30:17] <zeeshan> haha
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[06:30:39] <bobo_> the flushing fluid---can use water but water is highly processed
[06:31:05] <PetefromTn_> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Stafford-Township-House-Explosion-293849541.html HOLY SMOKES!!
[06:31:10] <zeeshan> bobo buy that lathe
[06:32:01] <zeeshan> how much gas was inthat house
[06:32:03] <zeeshan> jeez
[06:32:45] <MacGalempsy> http://www.machinesused.com/machine_details.cfm?ID=12196 the perfect size
[06:33:00] <zeeshan> that is SWEET
[06:33:04] <bobo_> will you bring it (monarch) over to Pete's house and install it ?
[06:33:05] <Cromaglious_> wow big booooom
[06:33:06] <zeeshan> that is the perfect size
[06:33:06] <PetefromTn_> That must have been unreal to be standing there and see that explode
[06:33:31] <zeeshan> that looks too expensive for me
[06:33:31] <zeeshan> ;[
[06:33:37] <zeeshan> bobo_: too far :P
[06:34:03] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking the $300 head and the DYI powersource
[06:34:17] <PetefromTn_> I doubt I could fit that huge bastard in my shop LOL
[06:34:24] <MacGalempsy> after the board gets here in a few days, I will get a cost together for the powersupply
[06:34:50] <PetefromTn_> would be neat to make it a linuxCNC driven sink EDM...
[06:35:05] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: that is the idea!
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[06:35:50] <zeeshan> i t hink my next purchase will be either a 3d printer
[06:35:54] <zeeshan> or surface grinder
[06:36:11] <zeeshan> first the cnc mill needs to pay for itself
[06:36:28] <bobo_> Charmilles D10 Sinker Type EDM ----neat mach , but stuff like tooling is very $
[06:37:03] <Cromaglious_> I just bought a live center for the crappy shop smith lathe at the Creatorspace.us
[06:37:07] <MacGalempsy> thats what the CNC mill is for!
[06:37:16] <Cromaglious_> that'll make it a bit less crappy
[06:37:55] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did your 12x36 come with a stready rest?
[06:37:56] <PetefromTn_> Shop smith lathe?
[06:38:04] <Cromaglious_> wood lathe
[06:38:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah it came with everything Steady, Follow, live and dead centers... two chucks, etc etc.
[06:38:32] <zeeshan> mine doesnt have a steady rest :(
[06:38:40] <zeeshan> i think i will need it for the hyd job
[06:38:40] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell miss it right now too...
[06:38:56] <Cromaglious_> shopsmith, lathe, tablesaw, sander, jointer, drill press, table belt sander
[06:38:57] <MacGalempsy> will have to keep an eye on the D10, until this cnc is 100%, my wife will kill me if I take up anymore garage space
[06:39:01] <PetefromTn_> honestly it would be quite simple to make a better one. with bearings instead of bronze tips.
[06:39:16] <Cromaglious_> all in one doesn't do anything great, does every ok
[06:39:24] <zeeshan> you just gotta make the v groove accruate?
[06:39:29] <zeeshan> and the centerline fairly accurate?
[06:40:02] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, you also have to make sure there is no rack in the frame, that leads to taper
[06:40:06] <PetefromTn_> meh none of it needs to be really accurate.. the bearing tips are adjustable... as long as it is straight it should be good...
[06:40:09] <Cromaglious_> rack or twist
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[06:40:27] <zeeshan> Cromaglious: you dont know me by now?!
[06:40:31] <zeeshan> i make everything 10x bigger
[06:40:31] <zeeshan> :[
[06:40:47] <Cromaglious_> heh
[06:40:55] <PetefromTn_> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/33980d1304105607-shop-made-tool-pics-100_1361-stdy-.jpg
[06:41:03] <zeeshan> wow
[06:41:05] <zeeshan> that is sexy
[06:41:06] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, the tim the toolman taylor wanna be
[06:41:18] <MacGalempsy> :O
[06:41:43] <zeeshan> whats the reasoning
[06:41:44] <Cromaglious_> PetefromTn_, nice!
[06:41:46] <zeeshan> behind making it 2 piece?
[06:42:07] <Cromaglious_> easier to fab most likely
[06:42:26] <PetefromTn_> not sure really... no real purpose that I can see other than just being able to remove the workpiece without moving the steady rest.
[06:42:37] <zeeshan> oh that makes sense
[06:42:40] <zeeshan> if you have heavy stuff
[06:42:53] <zeeshan> you can just open the top and lift it out a bit easier
[06:43:23] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious_: you sound like Al!
[06:43:31] <Cromaglious_> oh the swing open, yep... have a bridge hoist/crane in the shop and drop it straight down... no manuvering it through the hole
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[06:43:45] <zeeshan> well i was kinda imagining
[06:43:51] <zeeshan> sliding the steady rest out first
[06:43:51] <Cromaglious_> or engine lift
[06:43:53] <zeeshan> then removing th epiece
[06:43:59] <zeeshan> you'd leave it chucked on the chuck
[06:44:14] <PetefromTn_> http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/338-barrel-in-a-steady-rest.jpg mine looked like that only green..
[06:44:25] <zeeshan> pete thats a really nice one
[06:44:31] <zeeshan> it'd be easy to replace that with bearings
[06:44:37] <Cromaglious_> also you don't have to change zero if you need to take it out to test fit, then have to put it mack in the lathe
[06:44:45] <PetefromTn_> that is what I was planning before I sold the machine...
[06:45:05] <Cromaglious_> I need to make a steady rest and a follow rest for my sheldon
[06:45:07] <MacGalempsy> bbiab
[06:45:07] <PetefromTn_> now I will probably make one like that shop built one for my new CNC lathe..
[06:45:14] <zeeshan> cu mac
[06:45:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: we have cnc mills
[06:45:32] <zeeshan> life will be easy
[06:45:33] <zeeshan> :-)
[06:45:53] <PetefromTn_> sure man...just need some materials and time..
[06:45:57] <zeeshan> yea
[06:46:19] <zeeshan> a lot of my friends who stayed back to do internship
[06:46:30] <zeeshan> are doing their capstone projects
[06:46:35] * zeeshan has been collecting their scrap metal
[06:46:36] <zeeshan> haha
[06:47:13] <zeeshan> 1/2" plate is okay to find
[06:47:16] <zeeshan> but for some reason 1" plate is harder
[06:47:20] <zeeshan> in scrap form
[06:47:56] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/33980d1304105607-shop-made-tool-pics-100_1361-stdy-.jpg
[06:47:57] <zeeshan> hey pete
[06:48:00] <zeeshan> this one you posted
[06:48:05] <zeeshan> this guy must have some sort of key slot
[06:48:10] <Cromaglious_> yep, scrap yard had a 600# hunk of 6" plate about 14" wide man I wanted that SOO bad
[06:48:14] <zeeshan> to stop that steady rest from rotating?
[06:48:27] <zeeshan> lol crom
[06:49:01] <PetefromTn_> key slot?
[06:49:14] <Cromaglious_> it would take my saw 2 days to cut it... and it would take me a week to get my band saw setup to cut it
[06:49:18] <zeeshan> you see the clamp oin the bottom
[06:49:29] <zeeshan> its only got 1 hex head holding the steady rest down to it
[06:49:36] <zeeshan> im wondering how he's stopping it from rotating
[06:49:43] <PetefromTn_> probably pinned to the base
[06:50:00] <PetefromTn_> I will probably just tig weld mine together.
[06:50:05] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, i agree with PetefromTn_
[06:50:15] <zeeshan> yea tigging should be good enough
[06:50:26] <zeeshan> its amazing how much 1 sample angle
[06:50:35] <zeeshan> *simple angle makes a mounting bracke tlook so nice
[06:51:21] <Cromaglious_> abom79 just put a slot in his to match the the slot for the way on the original lathe.. he made a spacer for his
[06:51:31] <zeeshan> yea isaw the video :D
[06:51:43] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/eb/05/00/eb0500a6ffa954772141b8250e0f991a.jpg Ghetto version heh
[06:51:49] <zeeshan> lol
[06:51:51] <zeeshan> LOL
[06:52:02] <zeeshan> that looked like 3d printer person made
[06:52:11] <Cromaglious_> that'll be mine
[06:52:15] <zeeshan> :D
[06:52:22] <Cromaglious_> I should take a picture of my 90 plate
[06:52:45] <Cromaglious_> lag bolts for bracing just welded in place
[06:52:55] <zeeshan> lol
[06:53:01] <zeeshan> zzzzzzzzzz
[06:53:03] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/cb/8a/0a/cb8a0a2e7417238dc5b82fdfac21ac21.jpg Something like this only bigger and thicker?
[06:53:13] <zeeshan> i liked the closed models
[06:53:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah that first one is a beauty
[06:53:53] <zeeshan> maybe ill make one this weekend
[06:53:59] <zeeshan> ill start lookign for material
[06:54:03] <PetefromTn_> shit make two...LOL
[06:54:04] <Cromaglious_> niec 688zz skateboard brearings
[06:54:09] <zeeshan> i think i want it out of 3/4" or 1" thick material
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[06:54:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah at least 1"
[06:54:39] <Cromaglious_> know anyone that casts iron?
[06:54:43] <PetefromTn_> or make it out of 3/4 and tig two together
[06:55:07] <PetefromTn_> you could capture the guides in between the two halves if you were clever..
[06:55:22] <zeeshan> we'll see
[06:55:24] <zeeshan> too tired to think anymore
[06:55:26] <zeeshan> :-)
[06:55:27] <zeeshan> gnite!
[06:55:32] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[06:55:38] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna head to bed too..
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[06:55:42] <bobo_> nite
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[06:56:00] <bobo_> nite nite
[06:57:00] <Cromaglious_> nite nite nite
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[07:00:47] <Cromaglious_> i'm still here just exited on my phone
[07:08:16] <bobo_> any way -- maker space . people from car clubs --- hobby shop customers
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[07:43:05] <Cromaglious> bobo_, you still here?
[07:43:31] <Cromaglious> hmmm hobby shop customers... instant 3d printer and cnc mill customers
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[07:50:13] <bobo_> i think so
[07:53:55] <bobo_> was looking at the ott-jakob web site ----- interesting tool holder clamping system
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[08:00:59] <Connor> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
[08:01:56] <Connor> I think that one is going to blow exploding kittens away.
[08:02:10] <Connor> $7,955,731 with 30 days to GO
[08:02:24] <Connor> Kittens just got $8,782,571
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[08:02:51] <Deejay> moin
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[08:09:21] <bobo_> Hi Deejay
[08:09:35] <Deejay> hi bobo
[08:09:41] <Jymmm> $200 for that watch... I'm just not seeing it.
[08:11:04] <Deejay> greetings, Jymmm :)
[08:11:16] <Jymmm> Howdy Deejay =)
[08:14:53] <bobo_> Deejay : any idea where Nick Mueller is ? I really miss his you-tube series
[08:15:08] <Deejay> ah, nick "der grantler" mueller :)
[08:15:14] <Deejay> heard of him ;)
[08:15:59] <Deejay> but i dunno... perhaps syyl_ knows more
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[08:17:33] <Cromaglious> I hate apps that wont move to the SD card
[08:20:00] <Jymmm> Who the fuck creates an OS that limits/restricts where content/apps are required to be stored?! That has got to be the dumbest thing google has ever done.
[08:20:13] <Deejay> google is evil
[08:20:55] <Jymmm> Deejay: Google Inc, A Commercial NSA Company.
[08:21:04] <Deejay> hehe yip
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[08:25:59] <Cromaglious> ugh... makercam.com makes crappy g code, the wizards in Mach 3 make worse G code
[08:27:27] <archivist> use inside rear of skull for teh bestest gcode
[08:27:49] <Deejay> hehe
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[08:29:06] <archivist> there is no cam for my attempt at bevel gear milling that I know of
[08:29:39] <Cromaglious> there is lots and lots of trig in that
[08:30:02] <Cromaglious> have you looked for mathmatical models of bevel gears??
[08:30:08] <archivist> having the ability to shove the trig IN the gcode is one of the linuxcnc real advantages
[08:30:51] <archivist> er yes :)
http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[08:31:17] <archivist> I have an error to still find
[08:31:50] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[08:32:03] <Cromaglious> what error?
[08:32:28] <archivist> see last picture the gears mesh at the wrong angle
[08:33:34] <archivist> this is either backlash in the rotaries or a set up error(tooth gap) or something else
[08:34:15] <archivist> but I had spent too much time for the price I quoted
[08:35:11] <bobo_> archivist not that I understand but was thinking this was a good deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Xs6Exx3XQ
[08:35:13] <archivist> and customer was whining about me cutting steel rather than brass which costs a lot
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[08:35:55] <archivist> that is the same but spur/helical
[08:36:25] <Connor> archivist So what are you going to do ?
[08:36:54] <Cromaglious> hmm if you try to cut a 45 angle what it turn out to be? is it off the same 10 degrees or is it proportional?
[08:36:54] <archivist> bobo_, if you look at my cutter it is also straight sided for generation
[08:37:29] <bobo_> he also shows bevel ( stright ? ) gear cutting
[08:37:31] <Cromaglious> the shafts being 45 degrees alignment
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[08:39:21] <bobo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQtx80euGM
[08:41:10] <archivist> that is a spur not a bevel
[08:41:31] <bobo_> Oh
[08:41:38] <archivist> technique is similar but moooooore maffs
[08:41:52] <archivist> taper paths
[08:42:10] <bobo_> ok
[08:42:32] <bobo_> cone ?
[08:42:59] <archivist> yes
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel that shows the cone form
[08:43:43] <Cromaglious> hmm it the angle it's off by equal to the angle between the top of the teeth and the root of both gears at the edge?
[08:43:49] <Cromaglious> s/it/is/
[08:44:26] <archivist> the big difference is rotating one rotary by the as well as of lifting the cutter
[08:44:36] <Cromaglious> is the root supposed to actually be the top of the tooth?
[08:44:37] <archivist> the big difference is rotating one rotary by the other as well as of lifting the cutter
[08:45:07] <archivist> root is not wide enough, probably my main error
[08:45:39] <archivist> but each gear takes 4/5 hours of machine time
[08:46:54] <bobo_> how many hours of thinking/setup time ?
[08:49:22] <archivist> a "few" lots of book reading then one finds a page like
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2918/page_0087t.jpg
[08:49:52] <archivist> picture worth a few thousand words
[08:50:50] <archivist> I use one cutter but intend to over rotate to make the gap
[08:51:00] <archivist> tooth gap
[08:51:53] <archivist> look on youtube for gleason bevel gear generation
[08:52:15] <Cromaglious> looks like you put addendum onto the tooth instead of taking more dedendum
[08:53:52] <Cromaglious> made the root the pitch line instead of the middle of the tooth
[08:54:27] <SpeedEvil> Gear words are such fun
[08:54:36] <Cromaglious> looking at the picture closer it looks to be one tooth or the combined addendum
[08:54:47] <archivist> the addendum/dedendum are modified from normal in the gleason system
[08:55:24] <Cromaglious> well it looks like your error is in the pitch line addendum dedendum figuring code
[08:55:55] <archivist> that is in the maths correctly I think, the rotation not giving a proper tooth gap is I think the main error
[08:56:23] <archivist> the involute curve on the two look right
[08:56:49] <Cromaglious> a full tooth?
[08:57:19] <Cromaglious> I could see a 1/4 to 1/3 tooth not 1/1 tooth
[08:57:28] <archivist> I dont have good enough measuring tools to prove the curve
[08:57:56] <archivist> they feel right in mesh
[08:57:58] <Cromaglious> you have pin guages?
[08:58:04] <archivist> no
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[08:58:22] <Cromaglious> small wire from different motors?
[08:58:54] <Cromaglious> use a micrometer on them...
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[08:59:16] <archivist> dont forget the taper :)
[09:00:00] <archivist> I need
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gleason-Gear-Testing-Measuring-Tool-/140779835755 but that is currently beyond my means
[09:00:27] <Cromaglious> not really caring about the taper tight now... Trying to find how much deeper the teeth have to mesh before the shafts are at 90 degrees
[09:00:33] <archivist> and a sensible cmm
[09:00:44] <Cromaglious> you are trying to make them mesh at 90 degrees correct?
[09:00:55] <archivist> yes
[09:03:16] <Cromaglious> can you hold them at 90 to each other with the outsides meshed
[09:03:26] <Cromaglious> so the tips are apart
[09:04:25] <archivist> 8 degs approx wrong
[09:04:43] <Cromaglious> then measure parallel to one shaft and perpendicular to the other and find how far the parallel shaft is offset from the perp shaft tips
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[09:05:59] <archivist> that needs to be done on an optical setup, would take an hour or two to setup
[09:06:54] <archivist> and as there is a basic tooth root error, I would try to fix that first next time I try to make some
[09:08:02] <Cromaglious> that maybe true but I don't think it's 4 degrees per tooth worth
[09:08:56] <archivist> remember the tip engagement will not change much/at all
[09:09:24] <Cromaglious> 4 degrees is 1.11111% of 360 degrees hmm maybe it is..
[09:09:29] <archivist> so it will be bigger that first imagined I think
[09:10:03] <archivist> gnats cock but 1.1% matters :(
[09:10:38] <Cromaglious> 8 degrees is 8.88889% of 90
[09:11:13] <archivist> that cheating
[09:12:08] <archivist> percentage of full scale bites in many measurement systems
[09:12:44] <Cromaglious> you're about 10% on 90 degrees. which the 8.88889% is really close to that
[09:14:08] <archivist> if you look at the root on the brass bevel, it is just not there it is a v like the cutter
[09:14:19] <Cromaglious> get a magnifying glass at look to see how much more tooth engagement you need
[09:15:06] <Cromaglious> 10% ain't much of a tiny gear tooth
[09:15:55] <archivist> I know, I have made a homebrew measuring machine but it is poor for these bevels
[09:16:05] <Cromaglious> your using a straight V? and the brass gear is actually an involute gear form?
[09:16:53] <archivist> yes, that is generation
[09:17:09] <archivist> measuring machine
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=travelling
[09:18:42] <Cromaglious> and you can't use a hobb either... just a shit load of passes to get the proper involute shape
[09:18:51] <archivist> yup
[09:19:08] <Cromaglious> and they have to go all the way to the tip
[09:19:36] <archivist> a bit further to get rid of machine errors
[09:19:46] <renesis> archivist: cool inspection scope
[09:20:08] <renesis> whats the length on the little gear teeth?
[09:20:11] <archivist> contemplating a new machine
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[09:21:54] <MacGalempsy> ok back
[09:22:02] <archivist> the small bevel is 10mm dia large is 15.7
[09:22:33] <archivist> something like a .5 mod size near the outer
[09:23:46] <Cromaglious> yup wider root, narrower tooth
[09:25:00] <renesis> good detail, like in the grain texture in the chip at the end of the tooth
[09:28:06] <archivist> very inconvenient to use though, with no vertical rotation of an item being measured
[09:28:10] <renesis> how do you make the lines?
[09:28:47] <archivist> see top picture that is the measuring eyepiece with the two lines
[09:29:13] <renesis> its wires?
[09:31:14] <archivist> spiders web or engraved on glass (likely)
[09:31:15] <renesis> so you just have an eyepiece and it has two fixed lines centered?
[09:31:16] <Cromaglious> if you could view the gears meshed you could calculate the pixels required to make it seat deeper. Derive the distance by calculating the gear pitch
[09:31:44] <archivist> one line is rotated and then you read the vernier
[09:32:13] <Cromaglious> in pixels
[09:32:15] <renesis> okay right its the whole assembly thats what i thought
[09:32:42] <renesis> should start dimensioning my drawings in pixels
[09:32:45] <archivist> I have a spare I may mount a camera on
[09:34:42] <Cromaglious> measure the angle at the contact line and it's straight trig from there
[09:35:16] <archivist> I am thinking of modifying this to be my next measuring setup
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[09:36:27] <archivist> need to borrow some of the swift microscope and make tables for item mounting
[09:37:49] <archivist> the lenses are duff in that citizen
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[09:53:07] <archivist> zeeshan,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2918/page_0088.jpg
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[13:52:39] <Swapper> anyone have experience in reading powermeeters via modbus?
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[14:31:01] <jdh> not me!
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[14:40:44] <Swapper> trying to read this meeter
http://www.shmcomms.co.uk/images/PDFs/Man_CG_EM24_Modbus.pdf
[14:42:19] <Swapper> But as soon as i read the V L1-N at adress 0 i get no values
[14:42:20] <Swapper> it faults
[14:46:56] <archivist> first you got the baudrate and handshakes working properly
[14:48:25] <Swapper> i can read all other values fine
[14:48:28] <Swapper> so i get data
[14:48:42] <Swapper> but not two specific values
[14:48:46] <Swapper> 0 and 12
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[14:52:10] <archivist> but what is "it faults"
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[14:52:39] <Swapper> i get modbus exceptions
[14:55:03] <tjtr33> diagnostic function 08 ok?
[14:55:20] <tjtr33> ( nice unit, i use Dranetz )
[14:55:47] <archivist> basic handshake and did you read the use a terminating resistor bit of the doc
[14:55:58] <Swapper> im using a modbus master from
http://www.csimn.com/index.html
[14:56:11] <Swapper> it doesnt have much debug functionality
[14:56:30] <archivist> scope
[14:56:50] <archivist> or logic analyser
[14:57:28] <Swapper> i have a scope but not the know how on how to interpret the data it gives
[14:58:06] <tjtr33> whats the problem? line analyzers usually are 'the cnc just goes nuts sometimes'
[14:58:09] <archivist> if it is a digital scope you can grab the message you send and the reply
[14:58:10] <Swapper> im more on the level that i need 2 know that i have converted the datasheet values to the correct ones for the master
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[14:59:46] <Swapper> Modicon adress:300013 Physical adress:000Ch > decimal register nr 12 ?
[15:00:02] <Swapper> read as holding register
[15:00:16] <Swapper> INT32
[15:09:34] <tjtr33> "<Swapper> i can read all other values fine " so your conversion sounds ok, reg 12decimal is not so different from 14decimal ( A L2 )
[15:10:32] <Swapper> exactly
[15:10:44] <Swapper> 12 would be the logical value there
[15:11:05] <tjtr33> and you an read A L2 ok?
[15:11:15] <Swapper> yep i get a value at lest
[15:11:17] <Swapper> least
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[15:17:50] <tjtr33> dunno, if you cant read 2 of umpteen registers, i suspect the CGavazzi unit, id be suspect of any data from other registers
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[15:19:27] <archivist> I would suspect the wiring, and the terminator
[15:20:02] <Swapper> for only 2 specific registers?
[15:21:26] <archivist> signal corruption can look like that
[15:22:06] <archivist> section 1.3.1
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[15:24:37] <Swapper> ill make shure there are terminators
[15:24:40] <archivist> it is something known as "pattern sensitive fault"
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[15:25:19] <Swapper> ahh ok
[15:25:30] <Swapper> so those specific requests cause a crc
[15:25:35] <Swapper> or corupt data
[15:25:36] <Swapper> every time
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[15:25:51] <tjtr33> modicom addr 300015 ok? similar pattern and the bitweight 8 is common
[15:25:57] <archivist> also you can see a similar error on serial networks where you get parity/stop bits incorrectly set
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[15:26:32] <Swapper> i cinda ignored the serial errors part since i got other values
[15:27:00] <Swapper> but your right, ill dubble check parity/stops and termination resistors
[15:27:01] <archivist> I am used to debugging serial years ago :)
[15:27:32] <Swapper> i figured someone here could know a thing or two regarding this sort of stuff :)
[15:27:59] <archivist> I even have a dedicated serial analyser
[15:28:07] <Swapper> would it be possible that values got wrong or would that be CRCed away ?
[15:28:59] <Swapper> i have a rigol but havent checked more the RS232 only to test the decoder
[15:29:12] <Swapper> debugging R485 mobus on that i dont know how
[15:29:18] <archivist> I would go through all set up variables making sure they are right
[15:29:40] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kkf4A0gZKg 11-axis CNC screw machine jump to 2:00
[15:30:15] <tjtr33> re: the test function: you get back what you send. should be able to debug a pattern err
[15:31:41] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, haha that guy's biz is to do english vids for companies.
[15:32:13] <CaptHindsight> I have the sound turned down :)
[15:32:13] <tjtr33> seen him before on a few sites
[15:32:32] <tjtr33> me too, listening to Big Bang Burger Bar
[15:32:57] <Swapper> archivist: thanks again, ill check this out.
[15:32:58] <_methods> all that shit and they use a push stop on it
[15:33:16] <CaptHindsight> I need to pick up fasteners by the threads and perform operations on their heads
[15:33:56] <archivist> soft jaws threaded
[15:34:12] <_methods> collet jaws
[15:34:15] <_methods> should work fine for that
[15:34:19] <_methods> what i always use
[15:34:26] <_methods> collet chuck in sub
[15:34:30] <archivist> and me often
[15:35:09] <jdh> I have an AB arm that picks up by head, drops in fixture for verification, then picks up 90 degrees off to make the head visible
[15:35:38] <CaptHindsight> fasteners on a conveyor belt, pick, hold, rotate 360 deg, place on belt
[15:36:26] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_KY4P241Zc
[15:36:32] <_methods> star screw machien
[15:36:48] <_methods> sliding head hehe
[15:37:43] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any idea how long the bar stock is that it's holding?
[15:37:50] <_methods> probably 8'
[15:37:53] <_methods> but i have no idea
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[15:38:03] <tjtr33> what changes when you rotate 360 degrees?
[15:38:17] <_methods> probably under 6' actually
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[15:39:14] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: have to rotate the heads 360 deg past a nozzle
[15:39:23] <tjtr33> oh :)
[15:40:01] <tjtr33> earl schiebe auto painting
[15:40:15] <_methods> haha you see the sub eject the part at about 4min
[15:40:40] <CaptHindsight> up to 10 parts per second throughput, so how to best reduce the number of parallel machines performing the operation?
[15:42:00] <archivist> _methods, see also the citizen machines with a second spindle for rear operations
[15:42:01] <SpeedEvil> Overclocking.
[15:42:05] <_methods> yeah
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[15:42:13] <_methods> didn't citizen buy star?
[15:42:21] <_methods> i thought they were they same thing or soemthing
[15:42:23] <archivist> dunno
[15:42:51] <archivist> both sliding head swiss type machines
[15:42:51] <tjtr33> dont rotate part past nozzle, put many nozzles around part
[15:42:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuYuwdV-Rs cam controlled screw machine
[15:43:20] <_methods> old school
[15:43:45] <CaptHindsight> real men don't use gcode, they machine the program into steel :)
[15:43:51] <_methods> heheh
[15:44:16] <_methods> we had 3 of those things at a shop i worked at finally replaced them with a couple stars
[15:44:40] <archivist> cams are cast iron not steel :)
[15:44:54] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: a billion parts per year :)
[15:46:40] <archivist> machine similar to mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEHq0ktAiGc
[15:47:14] <tjtr33> carl segan scale you need 32 pcs per sec for abillion a year ( and no down time )
[15:47:50] <_methods> you sound like my old boss
[15:47:52] <CaptHindsight> 3 plants so ~10/sec per plant
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[15:51:09] <CaptHindsight> sounds easy until you see the cycle times
[15:52:30] <archivist> the multi splindle automatics really churn stuff out
[15:53:52] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JZX1JkYQk
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[15:56:37] <CaptHindsight> I want one now
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[15:56:52] <CaptHindsight> 11 axis min from now on
[15:57:50] <CaptHindsight> I didn't see any vids for screw machine linuxcnc conversions
[15:58:11] <CaptHindsight> what the max for axis in linuxcnc?
[15:58:31] <archivist> erm...... 9
[15:58:56] <archivist> time to add another 3 methinks :)
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[15:59:37] <archivist> but going to need some mods to enable multi spindle work
[16:00:44] <archivist> really need more trajectory planners with a few axes per planner and some synchronisation at points in a cycle
[16:02:46] <tjtr33> its always been said that you an expand past 9. and calling some of them axis is a stretch, just a plc controlled feed to a limit
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[16:03:19] <hkais> hello together
[16:03:53] <archivist> some would recommend multiple PCs with linking at possibly clacsicladder
[16:03:55] <hkais> I've just started to get familiar with CNC engraving. And saw that my favorite OS Linux has a OSS version of CNC software.
[16:03:58] <hkais> great!
[16:04:39] <hkais> Anyway I am wondering, if there is a list of well known and well working CNC engraving machines with LinuxCNC? Can someone help me out of the dark?
[16:05:24] <tjtr33> may help
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
[16:06:17] <tjtr33> archivist, yes it would be nice to sync 2 linuxcnc controls, or at least handshake
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[16:09:11] <tjtr33> handshake we can do easy, say a robot feeding a lathe, but not synced motion afaik
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[16:15:40] <archivist> if you look at a lot of the automatics, there are multiple ops that are interleaved (timed) but separate motions
[16:16:05] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7kMevlclKg low throughput version
[16:16:16] <hkais> are there any CNCs outside to buy with the support for linuxCNC which are well known to work?
[16:16:30] <Rab> Tormach ;)
[16:16:44] <archivist> that wickman cnc was even craftier, as it was running two threading ops on one spindle
[16:16:48] <CaptHindsight> hkais: whats your budget? what size?
[16:17:45] <hkais> size for typical office articles (pens, some wood parts, cdcovers, ...) roughtly about 50-80cm in each dimension
[16:18:13] <hkais> budget as cheap but good quality as possible. also used devices are okay
[16:18:21] <archivist> may want a rotating axis then
[16:18:55] <hkais> CaptHindsight: ^^^
[16:19:00] <_methods> you can buy those 3020's or 6040's for $1k
[16:19:10] <CaptHindsight> hkais: with spindle or laser?
[16:19:15] <tjtr33> hkais small engraver that works out of bix w linuxcnc sable2015
http://goo.gl/SsTcru i got one and it works fine
[16:19:32] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-AXIS-CNC-6040-ROUTER-DRILLING-MILLING-PROFESSIONAL-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-/171456563604
[16:19:36] <CaptHindsight> 80cm drives the price up a bit
[16:20:07] <hkais> archivist: a spindle and 3 axises for the spindle
[16:20:35] <tjtr33> 32" engraving , thats big
[16:21:14] <PetefromTn_> Was interesting to watch Astronauts on a space walk lubricating ballscrews on the Canada Arm part of the International Space Station. Looked like kind of a tedious maneuver...LOL
[16:21:44] <archivist> http://www.engraversjournal.com/article.php/2557/images/Rotary-Leadpic-BIG.gif
[16:22:00] <hkais> _methods: thx for the link, do not get the vendor of the 6040? Who is the vendor of it?
[16:22:22] <_methods> it's nameless chinese
[16:23:10] <_methods> there are tons ofmakers for those machines
[16:25:06] <PetefromTn_> now they are lubricating some linear bearing tracks and some latching mechanisms.. Pretty cool CNC stuff in SPACE!!
[16:25:45] <hkais> CaptHindsight: thought of a spindle. but if lasers are not to pricey maybe they are an option. Can you recommend some?
[16:26:03] <hkais> many thx to all! Have not thought it will be so much support
[16:26:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl6060-desktop-cnc-router-with-3-stepper-motors-2 is $900 + old PC and some stepper drives
[16:27:13] <hkais> what is the recommended development process on getting an engravement to a piece? (from the idea to the spindle/laser) Can someone recommend me a toolchain? Ideally which is very easy to use, also for non engineers.
[16:28:05] <tjtr33> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vtaefGN3VI
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[16:31:50] <_methods> what kind of mill is that?
[16:31:54] <_methods> i want one of those lol
[16:32:19] <tjtr33> russian, you cant get it, out of biz now, very nice
[16:32:26] <_methods> damn
[16:32:40] <tjtr33> mactep ( i dont have cyrillic font/keys )
[16:32:44] <CaptHindsight> hkais: check out the wiki, it has tons of past experiences
[16:33:30] <tjtr33> <tjtr33> may help
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
[16:33:43] <tjtr33> bbl
[16:36:10] <CaptHindsight> time to get Linuxcnc to run a SLA DLP/LCD printer
[16:36:58] <CaptHindsight> it just needs to sync to a series of SVG images
[16:37:25] <PetefromTn_> thats impressive, I thought you needed a lot of cooling flood for granite and marble engraving...
[16:37:32] <CaptHindsight> Z motion, 1st image, z motion 2nd image, z motion ......
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[16:41:12] <PetefromTn_> any idea what GCA would mean during a spacewalk?
[16:41:16] <hkais> great many thanks for you help so far. will invest some time to get to the point to start
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[16:48:11] <_methods> ground control
[16:48:26] <_methods> i think that's who gca is
[16:48:49] <PetefromTn_> they have EVA which I THINK is extra vehicular activities..
[16:49:01] <PetefromTn_> not sure what GCA is but they keep mentioning it.
[16:49:09] <Roguish> good morning all. is the mail server down? i haven't received any email since Monday.
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[16:54:25] <_methods> https://www.etsy.com/listing/222600700/custom-flight-case-for-han-solo-or-rebel
[16:54:55] <PetefromTn_> Cool... I WANT!!
[16:55:07] <_methods> hehe
[16:56:34] <PetefromTn_> She's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy....and you can get some cool riffs on it too!
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[17:01:48] <jdh> they talk to major tom
[17:02:11] <PetefromTn_> love that song hehe
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[17:03:40] <hetii> Hi :)
[17:04:33] <jdh> pete: do theu still have moonshine bars up there?
[17:05:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL dunno man I actively try to stay away from the real redneck spots that might have it...
[17:05:27] <hetii> Where can I find some tested circut hardware that based on discrete component that alow me control 3 step motors and work with linuxcnc ?
[17:06:21] <PetefromTn_> why did you run out?? ;)
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[17:13:18] <PetefromTn_> Interesting to see what a NASA grease gun looks like hehe
[17:23:54] <PetefromTn_> They keep mentioning wire ties, I wonder what kind of wire ties they use on the outside of a space station
[17:24:41] <jdh> UV stabilized
[17:24:49] <jdh> ss?
[17:25:14] <PetefromTn_> no idea trying to see one when they install one..
[17:26:00] <PetefromTn_> I did see what looked like a coated wire with rings on each end that the astronaut was kind of twisting like a bread bag tie or something..
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[17:29:50] <PetefromTn_> one thing that is really cool is when they traverse across the length of the station body it does not appear that they are constantly tethering themselves to it. They seem to tether once they get where they are going to be doing work.
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[17:30:40] <_methods> that's because they're in no risk in a studio in hollywood lol
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[17:32:24] <PetefromTn_> hehe I am sure they have those little thrusters or whatever in case they did manage to lose hold of the station and start drifting off. Either way it all looks like an E-ticket ride man..
[17:34:34] <PetefromTn_> three astronauts are coming home on march 11 using the soyoz capsule with a parachute assisted landing in the Soviet union apparently.
[17:34:55] <jdh> heh. fun!
[17:36:07] <_methods> better than the old space shuttle ionic vaporization landing technique
[17:36:41] <PetefromTn_> the Soviets are bringing three more astronauts up later in March apparently.
[17:37:05] <_methods> maybe we can beg for a spot on their rocket lol
[17:37:20] <PetefromTn_> Hell I would take a ride!
[17:37:37] <_methods> yeah man
[17:39:34] <PetefromTn_> they have a cool little toolbox they carry with them with all sorts of stuff in it. everything is tethered. When he was greasing those points on the robotic arm some grease came loose and stuck to his helmet LOL.. Apparently applying grease and wiping it up is kind of problematic in space LOL
[17:40:14] <_methods> wiping up grease on earth sux
[17:40:19] <PetefromTn_> the station is quite huge really...
[17:40:21] <_methods> can't imagine it's any more fun in space
[17:41:29] <PetefromTn_> the guy is moving across the body to the tranquility module and you can see him from a camera mounted out on the end and see the side of the body of the main part of the station. It is REALLY BIG
[17:43:41] <PetefromTn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station apparently it is 240 feet long, 350 feet wide, and 66 feet high. I had no idea it was so big...
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[17:44:30] <_methods> yeah it's man's greatest feat of engineering i'd have to say
[17:44:39] <_methods> nothing like it has ever been created
[17:45:29] <PetefromTn_> apparently they are working on making it even larger and adding mating capability for more craft to interface to it.
[17:46:01] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/49rJ7.png
[17:46:08] <_methods> and we do this
[17:46:15] <_methods> just think if that was flipped
[17:46:19] <_methods> what we could achieve
[17:46:46] <_methods> but our wonderfully myopic leaders continue to line their pockets and kill without restraint and profit from it
[17:46:49] <_methods> so lovely
[17:47:11] <PetefromTn_> whats funny is that is from 2010 and I believe the NASA budget has been cut considerably since then.
[17:47:30] <_methods> my brain can't even comprehend how this happens
[17:47:42] <_methods> but i guess since the dollars aren't going into my bank acct
[17:47:49] <_methods> i just wouldn't understand lol
[17:48:41] <PetefromTn_> they were discussing with a NASA engineer future plans that called for some sort of inflatable pods that could accomodate more people and equipment inside and are much lighter to bring up into space...
[17:49:13] <zeeshan> archivist: that is cool
[17:49:19] <PetefromTn_> that Canada arm is massive...
[17:50:51] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of what appear to be gold anodized grab handles all over the station they hold on to.
[17:52:26] <PetefromTn_> wow he just said he got some video and some Gopro! I had no idea there were gopro cameras in space...
[17:57:16] <archivist> zeeshan, shows the tool and motion and how the machine is special for the job
[17:57:25] <zeeshan> yes
[17:57:30] <zeeshan> need to replicate that motion
[17:57:49] <archivist> look on youtube there is one or more
[17:57:57] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any news on that virus that targets selfishness and duchebaggery neurons?
[17:58:07] <archivist> just synchronised motion
[17:58:10] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2szHk0OCU
[17:59:30] <zeeshan> that mechansim is so cool
[18:00:07] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAXvAXFwN0
[18:00:12] <zeeshan> i could prolly do this with the horizontal spindle
[18:00:14] <zeeshan> and a 4th axis?
[18:00:38] <CaptHindsight> hate to crash that cutting tool
[18:00:40] <archivist> may need 6
[18:01:10] <archivist> depends of you do the angle setting as well
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[18:03:04] <archivist> helical needs 5 if you set the angle by cnc
[18:04:50] <archivist> when I did my first helical I did some setup cheating and did an angle path Z(X or Y) cant remember
[18:05:05] <zeeshan> im confused as to why,, do you have just have 2 spindles whose axis is at an angle to each other
[18:05:15] <zeeshan> with an involute gear cutter one one axis
[18:05:18] <zeeshan> and sync motion between the two
[18:05:32] <zeeshan> do = don't
[18:05:56] <archivist> either the path is at an angle or the rotary is set to an angle or both
[18:06:41] <pcw_home> 5 axis:
[18:06:43] <pcw_home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SXT9iMY1U
[18:06:52] <zeeshan> thats for bevel
[18:07:03] <archivist> you see all the helical machines can set the hob at the screw angle and the blank at the helical gear angle
[18:07:05] <zeeshan> but damn look at that machine eat chips
[18:07:19] <jdh> eat?
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[18:08:17] <zeeshan> yes eat
[18:08:18] <zeeshan> :)
[18:08:20] <CaptHindsight> imagine having to hand draw the prints to scale for that gear
[18:09:47] <archivist> damned shiny cut surface, why the machine had to be rigid
[18:12:53] <zeeshan> i might have a manual for the mikron soon
[18:12:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zpYvpxV.png
[18:13:10] <zeeshan> i found a person who was very willing to help in their company
[18:13:12] <zeeshan> gave me that
[18:13:42] <CaptHindsight> nearly as fast as a trained monkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJj5O05ip1s
[18:16:53] <zeeshan> http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5447494-nutella-jar-caused-house-fire-say-firefighters/
[18:16:54] <zeeshan> wtf
[18:17:33] <archivist> 3 to watch it though!
[18:17:56] <PetefromTn_> LOL what the hell was that about
[18:18:03] <CaptHindsight> spontaneous combustion?
[18:19:01] <CaptHindsight> ah jar acts as lens causing light to focus on a combustible material
[18:19:14] <zeeshan> thats a bit scary
[18:19:14] <zeeshan> lol
[18:19:23] <CaptHindsight> no hazelnuts were harmed
[18:22:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/video/#!/news/local/WATCH--NJ-Gas-Explosion-Destroys-Home/293920291 Coulda been much worse!!
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[19:15:58] <ssi> I got my $39 computers in the mail :D
[19:16:42] <_methods> damn that was quick
[19:16:45] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprint.com/46934/amazon-3d-printing-patent/ Amazon Files Patent for Mobile 3D Printing Delivery Trucks
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[19:16:59] <_methods> i ended up just using one of my old htpc's that the chromecast made obsolete lol
[19:16:59] <ssi> free 2 day fedex
[19:17:08] <Jymmm> ssi: link?
[19:17:31] <CaptHindsight> have to combine 3d printers with drones now
[19:17:39] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[19:18:13] <ssi> I should get some 6i25s for these
[19:18:19] <ssi> they have 1 PCI slot but 3 PCIE
[19:20:25] <Jymmm> ssi: TY. SATA ports?
[19:21:22] <ssi> yeah looks like three sata ports
[19:21:29] <ssi> comes with a sata cdrom
[19:21:32] <ssi> no hard drive in it
[19:21:35] <ssi> I stuck a 120G ssd in it
[19:22:03] <Jymmm> http://cdn3.volusion.com/wafsx.utqdd/v/vspfiles/photos/437348-001-2.jpg?1387802031
[19:22:23] <Jymmm> Shit $40... you can't beat that
[19:22:24] <ssi> looks right
[19:22:27] <ssi> yeah seriously
[19:22:30] <ssi> especially free shipping
[19:22:32] <ssi> I bought two of them
[19:23:03] <Jymmm> how big is it?
[19:23:17] <ssi> uhm
[19:23:22] <Jymmm> 18x18x4 ?
[19:23:23] <ssi> ~12x16x3?
[19:23:25] <ssi> low profile
[19:23:49] <Jymmm> Hmmm
[19:24:10] <ssi> a little smaller than the dells I typically buy
[19:24:47] <Jymmm> front and rear sounds ports... I need a replacement media box, @ $40, I can have a spare on the shelf too
[19:25:11] <Jymmm> ssi: Have you tested your yet?
[19:25:18] <ssi> not yet
[19:25:40] <Jymmm> ssi: Please let me know when you have.
[19:25:46] <ssi> I certainly will
[19:25:56] <ssi> I'm gonna get this one running for the plasma table
[19:27:32] <Jymmm> ssi: HDD sits below ODD ?
[19:27:40] <ssi> below power supply
[19:27:47] <Jymmm> full 3.5" ?
[19:27:47] <ssi> below the cdrom is a spot for a floppy
[19:27:51] <ssi> you could put an hdd there if you want
[19:27:51] <ssi> yes
[19:28:57] <Jymmm> ssi: I HATE YOU
[19:29:01] <ssi> do you?
[19:29:14] <Jymmm> I'm like... do I get 2, 3, 4 or em?
[19:29:18] <ssi> haha
[19:29:19] <ssi> I got two
[19:29:27] <ssi> wouldn't cry about two more haha
[19:29:36] <Jymmm> they stack easily
[19:29:43] <Jymmm> great spares
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[19:34:59] <miss0r|shop> meh... damn chinese new year. I want my parts now damnit!
[19:37:17] <LeelooMinai> miss0r|shop: I was considering hanging out a black flag with sad face outside my window every time Chinese new year starts:)
[19:37:44] <miss0r|shop> I can certainly relate
[19:37:58] <miss0r|shop> I had to buy new indexable inserts locally.
[19:38:02] <miss0r|shop> :'-(
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[19:41:00] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: one more week :(
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[19:44:10] <_methods> i hope they put my ballnuts on the boat before they started partying
[19:44:55] <anarchos3> I like doing my taxes when I get a refund ;)
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[19:47:26] <PetefromTn_> heh I just finished mine going thru all the receipts and paypal stuff was time consuming.
[19:48:31] <anarchos3> i realized I need to wait until march 1st (or later depending on when the forms get send out) because you have to file the first 60 days of 2015's RRSP contribution along with 2014s filing
[19:48:45] <anarchos3> which i neglected to do last year, so i believe I can refile and get a larger refund
[19:49:32] <PetefromTn_> nice.. always nice to NOT have to pay.
[19:49:45] <PetefromTn_> If I did not have kids I would probably be paying now too..
[19:51:04] <anarchos3> I work seasonally, and do a metric ton of OT during the winter, so I'm taxed on the assumtion I'm making a ton per year, since the cheques are quite large during the winter. Then my summer income is $0 and they give me a ton of it back :P
[19:52:10] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had a TON of anything going on sigh...
[19:53:00] <CaptHindsight> start bundling those cnc machines with router, extruder, laser and ice cream scooper
[19:53:20] <PetefromTn_> you forgot cat food dispenser.
[19:53:33] <PetefromTn_> and automated ass scratcher
[19:53:50] <PetefromTn_> come to think of it I need one of those!
[19:53:55] <CaptHindsight> tennis ball shaver
[19:54:07] <PetefromTn_> pumpkin carver
[19:54:12] <anarchos3> heh. I'm hoping I can finish/polish my GIS system this summer while travelling and hawk it off to work as a "contractor" next fall.
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[19:55:51] <anarchos3> They got me to make a new map, and then they hired these GIS "professionals" to take what I did and expand on it, but it turns out they dont know what they're doing at all. Worst part is the woman is the wife of one of the guys who works there, so no one wants to say that these GIS people are idiots and we're paying them for nothing....it's kinda weird.
[19:56:41] <anarchos3> so my plan is to complete what i started, in my own time, show up in the fall and be like "give me tons of money, please" ;-)
[19:58:42] <SpeedEvil> are you aware of the openstreetmap stack?
[19:59:47] <anarchos3> not exactly, no. i am aware of openstreetmap
[20:00:22] <SpeedEvil> There are a lot of useful GISy tools - opensource that can be used to make quite nice maps
[20:00:41] <SpeedEvil> From openstreetmap data - using the existing data or makign your own
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[20:02:41] <anarchos3> I kind of looked into that and it didn't really fit what we need. basically i need a master database (postgresql+postgis) that's made with QGis mostly (major changes) and then the attributes updatable via google earth/embedded html popups, as well as data aquisition using GIS Pro on iPads...
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[20:03:03] <anarchos3> so it seemed like OSM would work, but i found it easier to hack together some PHP scripts to tie it all together.
[20:03:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:05:23] <anarchos3> i have it all working, but it's very "hacky", so i plan on polishing it up, adding user management as well as ability to roll back changes and all that stuff, this summer.
[20:05:41] <anarchos3> any security expert would have a heart attack looking at the source of my code ATM
[20:06:16] <anarchos3> passing SQL queries via GET and POST, etc :P
[20:07:14] <miss0r|shop> Now I just wait for the correct size nema 23 and the ballscrews:
http://picpaste.com/DSC_0055-TYAKNcPh.JPG
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[20:08:57] <anarchos3> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4th-5th-Rotational-Axis-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-/161417226313?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2595376849
[20:09:32] <miss0r|shop> anarchos3: yeah I looked at that one. It looks realy flimsy to me
[20:09:51] <anarchos3> I was thinking of taking the basic concept of that and building my own
[20:10:01] <anarchos3> cast iron plate instead of aluminum
[20:10:10] <anarchos3> servos with brakes on them
[20:10:26] <miss0r|shop> indeed. I am sorry I can't stay. I need to get some food in me before I die ;) have a good one
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[20:11:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/cnc-router-rotational-axis-the-4th-axis
[20:12:43] <_methods> you have one of those?
[20:13:25] <CaptHindsight> no, this is not show and tell
[20:13:37] <anarchos3> heh
[20:15:11] <anarchos3> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Rotational-Axis/261300446896?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620091118%26meid%3D9f7d32e9b1c74b3ca1c405fcef7bcbe5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D161417226313&rt=nc
[20:15:17] <anarchos3> also this style.
[20:15:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Trunnion-Table-For-Haas-Nikken-Tsudakoma-Troyke-4th-Axis-Rotary-Table-/201142202149 over kill for you but a good deal unless the bearing is siezed
[20:17:52] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: whenever I've tried those units (trunnions, rotary tables, routers) they all need to be rebuilt
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[20:18:22] <CaptHindsight> careless assembly and no alignment at the factory
[20:18:31] <anarchos3> yeah for sure
[20:18:49] <anarchos3> i was more thinking about trying to build my own, just looking at ideas for small ones
[20:18:59] <CaptHindsight> I only use them for demo systems to show a concept
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[20:19:17] <anarchos3> i really like the idea of the one that has the 5th axis belt actually arcing around through the side plate
[20:19:48] <anarchos3> seems like you could maximize your trunnion size that way, and not loose Z axis height by mounting the 5th motor underneath
[20:19:56] <CaptHindsight> I find harmonic drives for low prices on ebay
[20:20:45] <MrSunshine_> hmm anyone knwo what happened to the cam workbench for freecad ?
[20:21:47] <anarchos3> CaptHindsight, there's some chinese 4th axis's that claim to have used harmonic drives in them
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[20:22:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, but I would expect them to also need a bit of tweaking
[20:24:59] <PetefromTn_> we need a #chinesemachinetooloverhaulin' channel
[20:25:06] <_methods> tv show
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[20:26:15] <zeeshan> so trhat hyd cylind
[20:26:18] <zeeshan> costs $199 to replace
[20:26:22] <zeeshan> i think im just gonna buy it lol
[20:26:38] <zeeshan> it makes no sense to machine it and then pay $150 for hard chrome
[20:26:54] <zeeshan> will take 6 weeks to get, but thats ok
[20:27:32] <PCW> From Micron?
[20:27:56] <zeeshan> no, from ott-jakob
[20:28:00] <zeeshan> micron doesnt offer a replacement cylinder
[20:28:07] <zeeshan> or na replacement drawbar!
[20:28:14] <PCW> Is that who made the original?
[20:28:26] <zeeshan> yes most european machines use ott jakob drawbars
[20:28:37] <zeeshan> and a lot of machines that use hsk tool holders also use their drawbars
[20:28:43] <CaptHindsight> spring return, hydraulic actuator with how much force and stroke?
[20:28:48] <PCW> Not bad at all considering
[20:29:01] <CaptHindsight> if it bolts right in
[20:29:04] <zeeshan> mind you, this is jsut the hydraulic cylinder
[20:29:06] <zeeshan> none of the guts
[20:29:10] <zeeshan> if you want the guts, its another 2500$
[20:29:19] <zeeshan> but i dont need them cause mine are ok
[20:29:27] <PCW> do they have the washers?
[20:29:28] <CaptHindsight> oh, just the new body
[20:29:45] <zeeshan> washers are 75$ from manufacturer
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[20:29:54] <zeeshan> seals are another $80
[20:30:04] <zeeshan> so basically 400 bux to rehaul this
[20:30:09] <zeeshan> vs pay 3000 for a new drawbare
[20:30:11] <Jymmm> ssi: When you get a chance can you CONFIRM 4 or 3 sata ports?
[20:30:11] <Tom_itx> save the baby seals!!
[20:30:19] <ssi> I only see three on the motherboard
[20:30:22] <ssi> two blue and a white
[20:30:26] <CaptHindsight> $2700 as a unit, $8700 in parts :)
[20:30:40] <PCW> still not bad ( well better if not needed... )
[20:30:53] <Jymmm> ssi: Yeah, me too in another pic... but the 770 not the 7800
http://www.northeastnetwork.com/ebayimages/Motherboards/437793_1.jpg
[20:31:08] <zeeshan> on the bright side a few of us learned something new in here :)
[20:31:16] <Jymmm> ssi: Err reverse that but with dvd-RW
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-dc7800-SFF-Intel-Core-2-Duo-E4500-2-20-GHz-RAM-2-GB-DVD-BURNER-/271610991364?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3d46d304
[20:31:21] <zeeshan> that ott jakobs with cam lock design + belleville washers is a safer design
[20:31:29] <zeeshan> than just belleville stacks
[20:31:34] <ssi> it doesn't actually say dc7800 on it anywhere fwiw
[20:31:36] <Connor> zeeshan: So, what's wrong with the power drawbar ?
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[20:31:46] <zeeshan> broken stacks
[20:31:49] <ssi> on the back it says MXL8180JY6
[20:31:50] <zeeshan> scored cylinder
[20:31:58] <zeeshan> easy to fix , just need parts
[20:32:00] <Jymmm> ssi: mobo alone...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DC7800-Small-Form-Factor-SFF-Motherboard-437793-001-/140609281259
[20:32:06] <Connor> OKay. Cool.
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[20:32:42] <zeeshan> i spent a few hours yesterday reverse engineering their stuff on the shadowgraph
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[20:32:55] <zeeshan> was a learning experience :p
[20:33:35] <Jymmm> ssi: 2.2+RW or 2.3+ no RW same price
[20:33:45] <ssi> gotcha
[20:34:00] <ssi> this one is a 2.33, no RW
[20:34:29] <Jymmm> A) HP dc7800 SFF Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20 GHz RAM 2 GB DVD BURNER
[20:35:04] <Jymmm> B) HP dc7800 SFF Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33 GHz RAM 2GB DVD-DRIVE. No Hard Drive
[20:35:30] <Jymmm> let me lookup the cpu specs...
[20:36:25] <Jymmm> Intel Core2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33GHz = 1510
[20:37:19] <Jymmm> Intel Core2 Duo E4500 @ 2.20GHz = 1268
[20:37:42] <Jymmm> higher is better cpi marks.
[20:37:47] <Jymmm> cpu*
[20:38:08] <moorbo> I think my phone has better specs
[20:38:25] <Jymmm> moorbo: for $40 with free shipping?
[20:38:40] <moorbo> not for that low
[20:38:43] <moorbo> but getting close ;p
[20:38:54] <ssi> can you stick a mesa card in your phone and run a cnc machine?
[20:39:12] <moorbo> I can run a cnc machine with it
[20:39:16] <moorbo> but not put in a mesa card
[20:40:37] <Jymmm> Intel Atom D525 @ 1.80GHz = 694
[20:40:56] <Rab> Watch out for the DC7800P ultra slim version, it doesn't have an external parport. Not sure if there's a header on the MB.
[20:41:10] <ssi> the ones I got have a parport, but I don't need it
[20:41:18] <Jymmm> Rab: these do have the port =)
[20:41:49] <_methods> parallel card is like $11
[20:41:53] <Jymmm> Ok, so this C2D is almost 3xx better cpi than the Atom D525
[20:42:02] <Jymmm> cpu*
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[20:42:42] <Jymmm> ssi: You're an asshole! damnit! lol
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[20:42:53] <ssi> totes
[20:43:01] <Jymmm> 4, 6, 8 ???? argh!!!
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[20:43:07] <ssi> all the computers
[20:43:44] <Jymmm> I mean shit, I could buy spares for the shelf even, cheaper than anything I could ever repair
[20:44:05] <Jymmm> not even a sata /db25 cable is that cheap
[20:44:07] <ssi> don't buy them all up!
[20:44:22] <Jymmm> No, I won't, though I might want to
[20:44:25] <Jymmm> =)
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[20:44:32] <_methods> those were a pcw spot
[20:44:41] <Jymmm> Like lil mionons, I'll aint them yellow and one eye
[20:44:46] <Jymmm> paint*
[20:45:05] <Jymmm> Fuck, even spare DVD-RW drives aren't that cheap
[20:45:34] <Jymmm> Mind you, I have a crapload of hdd's already
[20:45:39] <ssi> I used to
[20:45:43] <ssi> but I turned them all into slag :D
[20:46:20] <Jymmm> I WISH it had 4 sata ports though
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[20:50:15] <skunkworks> /dev/md127 20T 3.4T 16T 18%
[20:50:27] <_methods> hehe
[20:50:29] <_methods> plenty of room
[20:50:35] <_methods> hello porn
[20:50:39] <skunkworks> not done copying yet...
[20:50:51] <_methods> fill'r'up
[20:50:56] <ssi> I have a couple of those :P
[20:51:14] <ssi> the server I have in a datacenter is a 8x2T raid6 that I built back in 2011
[20:51:28] <skunkworks> this is 8X3tb
[20:51:39] <furrywolf> I bought a 2tb external backup drive a couple months ago. I think it's larger than the sum of most of the drives I've ever owned.
[20:51:43] <ssi> my old raids are 14x500G, have two of those here
[20:52:45] * furrywolf doesn't need that much space
[20:52:57] <skunkworks> *work related...
[20:53:12] <ssi> mine's personal, but it's for app hosting
[20:53:23] <_methods> mine's for porn
[20:53:34] * furrywolf doesn't have any porn
[20:53:50] <skunkworks> everyone needs a hobby...
[20:53:55] <_methods> hehe
[20:54:18] <Rab> Jymmm, your frenzy was contagious...just bought one.
[20:54:35] <Jymmm> Rab: which?
[20:55:01] <Rab> The 2.33 without DVD-RW.
[20:55:09] <Jymmm> ah, why?
[20:55:38] <Rab> I've been screwing around with Machinekit for the BeagleBone Black and I'm fed up!
[20:55:58] <ssi> haha yeah that way lies madness, sadly
[20:56:04] <ssi> these are cheaper than beaglebones :'(
[20:56:13] <Rab> It's undeniable.
[20:56:43] <Rab> Plus, should be fast enough to add some features like a webcam to monitor the tool.
[20:56:44] <_methods> ahh but it's so cool they are the future man
[20:56:58] <skunkworks> Rab, seemed like a good idea at the time? ;)
[20:57:22] <Rab> skunkworks, intriguing at least.
[20:58:06] <ssi> it's something to hack on
[20:58:11] <ssi> which is a value in itself :)
[20:58:13] <Rab> The BBB is working fine, it's just slow. I might use it for a less demanding motion platform.
[20:58:31] <Rab> Or logic analyzer, or any number of other projects.
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[20:59:31] <skunkworks> if they get the gui totally separated from the realtime - it will probably work fine. (but then you need 2 devices to run a machine...)
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[20:59:44] <Praesmeodymium-l> I installed linucnc on this laptop originally hoping it might be big enough to do anything useful beyond we browse... is a jitter of 4million bad :p
[20:59:59] <_methods> hahaha
[21:00:05] <_methods> not at all
[21:01:25] <Rab> skunkworks, right. Could use a laptop that's unsuited for r/t as a console, though.
[21:01:36] <ssi> or a tablet
[21:01:43] <ssi> that you can carry from machine to machine
[21:02:54] <MacGalempsy_> hello
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[21:04:00] <Rab> The big dealbreaker was finding out that the realtime components like stepgen were rewritten specifically for the BBB PRU (obviously), but weren't used the same way as the LinuxCNC components and were missing features.
[21:04:23] <ssi> see what I wanted to do was come up with a cape with an s6lx9 on it and a pair of 26 pin headers
[21:04:28] <ssi> basically a 5i25 for bbb
[21:04:48] <ssi> but I quit working on it because there was little interest and issues with the gui
[21:05:09] <CaptHindsight> Rab:
http://linuxgizmos.com/freescales-popular-i-mx6-soc-sprouts-a-cortex-m4-mcu/ 1Ghz ARM A9 + 200MHz cortex-M4 core and dual GB ethernet, if the M4 can access the GPIO this could do what the BBB does and drive a high res GUI
[21:05:33] <Rab> CaptHindsight, interesting.
[21:05:37] <CaptHindsight> how much work to take the stepgen and make it work with a similar ARM soc?
[21:06:13] <CaptHindsight> dual core A8/9 with a separate M4 micro for stepping?
[21:06:15] <Rab> I dunno, it's coded in PRU asm.
[21:06:19] <CaptHindsight> ah
[21:06:29] <Rab> So I assume it's very specific to that TI product.
[21:06:29] <CaptHindsight> at least it was optimized
[21:06:47] <ssi> yes, very
[21:07:05] <Rab> I would also like to experiment with servo control, and that's apparently bleeding-edge untested in Machinekit.
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[21:07:45] <CaptHindsight> another option, modify Linuxcnc stepgen to work in the M4
[21:08:28] <Rab> Is the stepgen all C or is there inline x86 asm?
[21:08:48] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to look, maybe someone else knows off the top of their head
[21:09:44] <ssi> hostmot stepgen is such a better option :)
[21:10:45] <CaptHindsight> don't think that the imx6 will drop to $5ea
[21:11:45] <ssi> it would also be easy to spin a board with an imx6 and a s6lx9 and have integrated machine with superports for mesa daughterboards
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[21:12:26] <CaptHindsight> yes since it also has PCIe
[21:12:27] <Rab> If the BBB proved anything, it's that there's a large market for integrators (ie 3D printer and desktop mill mfgs) who are looking for a very small hardware platform with RT i/o. There was a pretty good shortage for a while.
[21:12:53] <CaptHindsight> I just use x86 for that
[21:13:02] <_methods> ^^
[21:13:07] <_methods> $39 free shipping
[21:13:40] <ssi> yeah but size/power/solidstateyness is a desirable feature too
[21:14:10] <CaptHindsight> the only interest was if a board with $5 arm soc could replace a $50 x86 mini-itx board well enough
[21:14:11] <ssi> I did a big integration project where we had a hundred shipping containers welded together and each container had a nema box with a bbb and cape I designed in it for environmental control
[21:14:19] <ssi> using a dc7800 per container would be a nightmare
[21:14:54] <_methods> my point is related to linuxcnc
[21:15:11] <ssi> so is mine in a roundabout way
[21:15:31] <ssi> especially when you get down to small machines like 3d printers and desktop routers, being able to miniaturize the control host is desirable
[21:15:48] <SpeedEvil> edison!
[21:15:48] <ssi> obviously for a 10klb vmc its less beneficial
[21:15:50] <SpeedEvil> (kidding)
[21:15:54] <_methods> and that i understand and it's fun to do it just because
[21:15:56] <CaptHindsight> imx6 also has the GPU power for the GUI
[21:16:16] <_methods> but you can get miniaturized systems that provide what you want you just have to pay accordingly
[21:16:56] <_methods> like that conga board
[21:17:05] <_methods> same footprint as a bbb and does 1000x more
[21:17:07] <Rab> Budget is a problem for a <$2K machine.
[21:17:12] <_methods> but it costs 1000x more lol
[21:18:30] <_methods> well we all know in the end you pay one way or another.....with your wallet or your time
[21:19:19] <CaptHindsight> it's surprising to me how little value some people place on their time
[21:19:38] <CaptHindsight> save $25 by writing 100 hours of code
[21:19:46] <_methods> hehe
[21:19:46] <ssi> don't neglect the value some people put on the joy of hackery
[21:19:53] <ssi> and learning
[21:19:58] <_methods> back to my just because statement
[21:20:04] <_methods> which is a great reason
[21:20:13] <_methods> i do it to myself quite often lol
[21:20:34] <ssi> I'm the idiot who built a $50k machine shop because he didn't want to pay someone $50 to cut an instrument panel
[21:20:40] <_methods> i think we all fall into the have fun hacking part
[21:20:46] <ssi> but I'm a far better human being because of the work I've done
[21:20:55] <CaptHindsight> how to get people interested in overthrowing oligarchs in their spare time?
[21:21:12] <Rab> ssi, have you cut 1000 panels?
[21:21:18] <ssi> nope
[21:21:25] <CaptHindsight> stepgen is all in C
[21:21:32] <ssi> I only cut one, and I ended up doing it manually on a mill because it ended up being carbon fiber
[21:25:12] <CaptHindsight> FPGA prices keep falling as well
[21:25:17] <ssi> yep
[21:25:21] <_methods> indeed
[21:25:27] <ssi> and the s6lx9 is VERY cheap
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[21:54:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:03:22] <dirty_d> got this cad program working on linux pretty well
https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace-linux-fixes
[22:03:34] <dirty_d> better than freecad
[22:03:52] <CaptHindsight> I only view files in Freecad
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[22:04:06] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d: what problems do you have with freecad?
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[22:08:26] <dirty_d> CaptHindsight, external geometry is completely broken
[22:09:15] <dirty_d> if you go back and edit a sketch, the edges get renamed and it rearranges the sketches that depend on uit pretty randomly
[22:14:32] <Cromaglious> well I blew up my breakout board and just ordered 2 more
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[22:15:01] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d: good to know, I only edit with NX, SW, Creo etc
[22:15:10] <CaptHindsight> but other will have problems
[22:16:38] <Connor> Cromaglious: How did you blow up your BOB ?
[22:17:55] <dirty_d> yea, freecad isnt truly parametric, its only parametric within the scope of a single sketch
[22:18:08] <dirty_d> until they fix the naming problem
[22:18:24] <dirty_d> solvespace seems to be completely parametric, haven't ran into any problems yet
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[22:24:44] <Cromaglious> Connor, yup sure did... zapped it with 19vdc some how
[22:24:55] <Cromaglious> hiya bobo
[22:25:06] <Cromaglious> so which Airprt has the code BOB
[22:25:13] <bobo_> Hi
[22:25:21] <Cromaglious> which is better than BOR
[22:26:01] <bobo_> no idea
[22:26:05] <Cromaglious> Bora Bora
[22:26:29] <bobo_> are we there yet
[22:27:22] <Cromaglious> In the stage show COmpleat works of William Shakespeare (abridged) The lighting guy is Bob, and one of the actors runs off and we changed it he was at the Airport trying to get on a plane to BOB
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[22:27:50] <Cromaglious> when he comes back in carrying a backpack with a lugage tag labeled BOB
[22:28:44] <Cromaglious> anytime a audience member comes on stage they get thier name and there after call them Bob
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[22:29:00] <bobo_> oh yes good old bill shakey-spear
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[22:31:53] <bobo_> stupid me --- chose to go tripping thru life in idiot parameter-------should have listened
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[22:38:32] <bobo_> Cromaglious let's get the whining started ---what is the weather now on the left coast
[22:39:09] <anarchos3> CaptHindsight, have you tried Fusion 360? Kinda dumb the "cloud" stuff, but it's pretty neat otherwise. Free for "startups" (which according to their docs include hobbyists) for a year and comes with HSMWorks capable of 3+2 milling
[22:39:18] <Cromaglious> nice and sunny 72 in the house with no heater on
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[22:40:15] <Cromaglious> grrr what's the shortcut for getting a git clone going
[22:40:19] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: nope, I just stick to what works. I don;t care much for Inventor or Autocad
[22:41:34] <Cromaglious> git:// DOH!
[22:41:47] <anarchos3> I was never a big fan of Inventor, but this is quite nice. I think I like it better than SW...but i am very much a beginner, so not sure about advanced features and whatnot, but for basic stuff the layout is quite nice
[22:42:49] <dirty_d> is that free?
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[22:43:00] <Praesmeodymium-l> for NC use yup
[22:43:47] <Praesmeodymium-l> I am using fusion 360 for mocking up a laser cutter and seeng if I can get it all to fit
[22:44:09] <dirty_d> its cad?
[22:44:27] <dirty_d> or like more assembly or whatever you'd call it
[22:44:28] <Praesmeodymium-l> yup
[22:44:41] <Praesmeodymium-l> its solid object modeling
[22:44:50] <Praesmeodymium-l> drag drop type in a number
[22:44:51] <dirty_d> is it 3d parametric?
[22:45:18] <Praesmeodymium-l> not really
[22:46:08] <anarchos3> according to Autodesk it is fully parametric as of a year ago
[22:46:22] <Praesmeodymium-l> ok then I just havent figured that out yet
[22:46:48] <dirty_d> hmm, i see free trial, but not free
[22:46:55] <Praesmeodymium-l> theres a ton of video... I should probably watch at least 1
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[22:47:31] <anarchos3> dirty_d: download trial, look in upper right corner where it says "30 days left" and then click that, and then click on "startup" use and it's unlocked for a year
[22:47:40] <dirty_d> ahh
[22:47:41] <anarchos3> dirty_d: plus they claim you can renew in a year
[22:47:57] <dirty_d> does it criple it in any way?
[22:48:01] <anarchos3> nope
[22:48:03] <dirty_d> sweet
[22:48:06] <dirty_d> installing it now
[22:48:17] <anarchos3> the best part is the HSMWorks CAM
[22:48:24] <dirty_d> wow it has cam too?
[22:48:36] <anarchos3> you can get HSMExpress for free for SW/Inventor, but that's limited to 2.5D
[22:48:52] <anarchos3> this is full HSMWorks
[22:48:58] <anarchos3> dirty_d: yup
[22:49:34] <dirty_d> i dunno how i havent heard of this before
[22:49:46] <dirty_d> ive been looking everywhere for a decent free cad/cam
[22:50:40] <anarchos3> it's $40/mo for the "crippled" 2.5D version, or $100/mo for what you are getting for free for non-commercial use, if you do anything commercial
[22:50:46] <anarchos3> which seems pretty reasonable, really.
[22:50:59] <dirty_d> yea im not gonna argue with that
[22:51:22] <dirty_d> and even then, if you were making money off it, $100/mo is awesome
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[22:51:58] <Cromaglious> ok wifes car has a new to me dor lock switch
[22:52:09] <dirty_d> missed the damn package with my stepper drivers
[22:52:25] <anarchos3> they had a deal too, which hopefully comes back at somepoint, of $40/mo for the 2.5D version, but free upgrade to the full 3D version, for free, as long as you didn't let anything lapse
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[22:52:46] <tjtr33> theres 2 designs on those cheap aluminum 'AB' axis.
http://goo.gl/FQ6A4B http://goo.gl/m9Yu8Z
[22:52:48] <tjtr33> one has C motor inside the B supports, other is outside. both are belt drive, so the one has an arc routed thru one support so the belt can go thru.
[22:53:03] <anarchos3> which i might concider if that deal ever comes back...$40/mo for a commercial licence of HSMWorks alone (which is $8-10k for SW) is a killer deal
[22:53:59] <ssi> I want to spend some time with fusion
[22:54:01] <anarchos3> tjtr33: I think i like the design of the first one.
[22:54:04] <ssi> but the cloudyness of it sucks for me
[22:54:07] <ssi> since I have the WORST internet now
[22:54:15] <anarchos3> ssi: it works for 30 days without any connection
[22:54:20] <anarchos3> apparently
[22:54:32] <ssi> when I used it last, it got really laggy when our internet got spotty
[22:55:23] <anarchos3> tjtr33: i might try to design one and make it out of cast iron plate...i got the go ahead to use the plasma cnc at work :D
[22:55:32] <tjtr33> i nee the yoke to be deeper, allowing a spindle mounted where the rotary table is
[22:55:34] <tjtr33> need
[22:55:39] <Cromaglious> I was looking at a 7" Z for 165 out of washington state
[22:58:02] <_methods> it works offline fine
[22:58:16] <_methods> it downloads all to your computer
[22:58:33] <_methods> the cloud part is basically just it checkin in and files
[22:59:52] <dirty_d> hmm, where the heck is the length constraint?
[23:01:08] <dirty_d> oh, there it is
[23:03:42] <dirty_d> its crazy slow in my VM
[23:05:00] <ssi> running fusion again
[23:05:06] <ssi> the login screen is SUPER LAGGY
[23:06:04] <dirty_d> i think virtualbox said something about my graphics card not being detected when i started it a few days ago, gonna restart and see if it works now
[23:06:07] <ssi> everything about it is super laggy :(
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[23:06:30] <ssi> and I don't see a "startup" option
[23:06:37] <ssi> just the $40/mo plan or the $130/mo plan
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[23:07:02] <anarchos3> it works pretty snapily on my POS computer. little nettop with 4gb of ram and like a dual core atom processor and windows 7.
[23:07:40] <ssi> it's funny because I'm running it natively and it's slower than running solidworks in a windows vm
[23:07:51] <tjtr33> anarchos2, vismach running gcode thru linuxcnc of deep yoke trunnion
http://ibin.co/1sv2WXkVti7c
[23:07:51] <ssi> the only reason I would bother with it is because i can run it natively
[23:07:51] <tjtr33> it can do true circles outside of G17 G18 G19 planes
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[23:08:59] <dirty_d> i guess it would have helped if i gave it more than 25MB of video memory too
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[23:17:05] <_methods> it's probably downloading updates when it's laggy
[23:17:58] <_methods> i think in the uppr right corner you can put it in offline mode if i remember right
[23:18:34] <_methods> it just downloads updates and doesn't say anything
[23:19:09] <_methods> most of it isn't too bad but the assembly mates are very strange
[23:19:23] <_methods> and the drawings suck
[23:19:33] <_methods> you can't make anything but the simplest drawings
[23:20:08] <_methods> but the toolpathing.....absolutely insane for that price tag
[23:20:32] <dirty_d> crap, now it just crashes when its starting
[23:21:48] <dirty_d> i did enable 3d acceleration in virtualbox, maybe thats why
[23:22:07] <dirty_d> gonna try enabling the expermental direct3d support for the hell of it
[23:22:20] <_methods> i only ever got it running in vmware
[23:22:28] <_methods> i never could get it to run in virtualbox
[23:22:32] <_methods> kept crashin on me
[23:22:56] <ssi> I hate trials
[23:23:02] <ssi> I installed it long ago and messed with it for like three minutes
[23:23:05] <ssi> and my trial is now expired
[23:23:10] <ssi> and I can't seem to find a startup option
[23:24:24] <dirty_d> it was there when i clicked on "30 days remaining"
[23:24:34] <ssi> right
[23:24:35] <dirty_d> after you click register for free something
[23:24:39] <ssi> I don't have any days remaining :)
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[23:24:50] <_methods> new email
[23:25:01] <ssi> sure, but what a tremendous pain in the ass
[23:25:04] <_methods> yeah
[23:25:12] <dirty_d> you only need to use the email once, lol
[23:25:35] <ssi> I have something up there that says "Free period has ended"
[23:25:42] <ssi> and it opens a window which gives me three paid options
[23:25:45] <ssi> and that's all I can make it do
[23:26:17] <_methods> well it's honestly not worth paying for
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[23:26:32] <_methods> if i was going to pay for something i'd get inventor or solidworks
[23:26:36] <_methods> free for it is ok
[23:26:49] <_methods> or $40/month is doable i would think
[23:26:57] <ssi> I'm certainly not going to pay for it if it's this laggy always
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[23:27:11] <dirty_d> _methods, why do the drawings suck?
[23:27:25] <_methods> try making a drawing and you'll see
[23:27:59] <MacGalempsy> evening all
[23:28:04] <_methods> hola
[23:28:28] <dirty_d> i will if it ever finishes loading, lol
[23:29:42] <_methods> you can't add sheets to the drawings and you had like 3 dimension options
[23:29:55] <ssi> yeah, same thing
[23:29:58] <dirty_d> you cant sketch on arbitrary faces?
[23:29:59] <_methods> linear dimension, arc dimension and something else useless
[23:30:04] <ssi> new account, blue box says "Free period ends in 30 days"
[23:30:08] <ssi> clicking that gives me three paid options
[23:30:18] <dirty_d> still laggy as shit
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[23:31:06] <dirty_d> hmm, cant seem to use the symetry constraint on the axis lines
[23:31:36] <_methods> yeah it's pretty rough around the edges for something they want people to pay for
[23:32:10] <dirty_d> actually the framerate is better, but the input lag is horrible
[23:32:40] <dirty_d> like the line cursor tool thing trails way behind the mouse cursor
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[23:40:43] <dirty_d> actually the video performance is really good, its just the input
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[23:50:28] <Cromaglious> hmmm getting a MemRealloc error on solvespace looks to be a gtk include
[23:53:08] <anarchos3> http://i.imgur.com/rA6lkNy.png
[23:53:24] <anarchos3> my 10 minute trunnion table :P
[23:55:55] <Cromaglious> no rotary table in the middle?
[23:56:09] <ssi> give him another ten minutes, jeez
[23:56:10] <anarchos3> it's a work in progress
[23:56:12] <anarchos3> heh
[23:56:40] <anarchos3> i need to figure out exactly how I'm going to draw the arc for the belt to run in
[23:57:46] <Cromaglious> hmmm 2 circles isn't there a snap line to arc
