#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-23

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[00:00:26] <furrywolf> also, I'd be making one more aimed for tinkerers than nerds... and there isn't much of a nerd population around here. (local university has _no_ computer courses, for example, which tends not to attract them)
[00:00:52] <_methods> well i only go to mine when someone specifically asks me for help or something
[00:01:18] <_methods> i can't handle all the aspergers in there
[00:01:24] <furrywolf> yours, as in, you run it?
[00:01:32] <_methods> i started it
[00:01:35] <_methods> me and 4 other people
[00:01:52] <furrywolf> I'd probably end up with more rednecks than nerds...
[00:01:59] <_methods> none of us go there anymore lol
[00:02:23] <andypugh> Some of my best aquaintances have Aspergers.
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[00:03:18] <PetefromTn_> hell that could be me!
[00:03:31] <furrywolf> I have enough crap here and in storage to mostly stock a shop for electronics, welding, automotive, and basic small machining...
[00:03:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't think a shoptask qualifies...sorry LOL
[00:04:00] <andypugh> So have I, but I wouldn’t want anyone else messing with it. :-)
[00:04:11] <_methods> you really don't want these people messing with it
[00:04:46] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: hence "basic" and "small" as qualifiers. I have the sherline too, with a lot tooling.
[00:04:49] <_methods> i walked in there one day and guy was grinding a chunk of aluminum on the pedestal grinder
[00:04:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly I kind of enjoyed our recent little LinuxCNC Fest we had here at my shop...
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[00:05:37] <dirty_d> uhhg, i wish freecad worked better, its actually pretty nice
[00:05:38] <andypugh> Nothing wrong with grinding aluminium. If he put the right wheel in :-)
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[00:05:39] <PetefromTn_> it was fun hanging out with SSI and Connor and making shit for our machines...
[00:05:52] <_methods> it was not the right wheel lol
[00:06:04] <PetefromTn_> glaze it up nice did it ;)
[00:06:19] <_methods> um yeah
[00:06:47] <furrywolf> for electronics I have four 'scopes (two of which work, one of which I can assign a minion to fix in lieu of dues, once isn't worth using), distortion analyzer, function generator, frequency counter, etc. for welding I have a 300A ac/dc welder, a portable wire feeder that runs off it, and a hundred or so pounds of assorted rod, plus a smaller 110v mig welder. for automotive I have two brake lathes, valve grinder, valve seat grinder, and all small rebu
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[00:07:00] <furrywolf> for machining I have the sherline mill, a sherline lathe, and the shoptask...
[00:07:24] <furrywolf> I also have a _lot_ of assorted electronics parts.
[00:07:38] <zeeshan> valve grinder
[00:07:38] <zeeshan> nice
[00:07:47] <PetefromTn_> sounds like you should quite your job and open an automotive shop.
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[00:08:37] <furrywolf> I also have parts of some kind of boring machine, but I couldn't identify quite what it is.
[00:08:51] <furrywolf> not enough parts. :)
[00:10:35] <furrywolf> zeeshan: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/49404.jpg one of those
[00:10:44] <zeeshan> thats bad ass
[00:10:48] <zeeshan> how much do those go for?
[00:11:01] <furrywolf> dunno
[00:11:12] <furrywolf> I got it for about $5....
[00:11:15] <zeeshan> wut
[00:11:15] <zeeshan> :d
[00:12:04] <andypugh> That’s a tool and cutter crinder
[00:12:05] <furrywolf> one of the local high schools decided autoshop was bad for students and that they should learn pottery instead. the pottery teacher wanted all that "useless automotivey crap" out of his new space. I told him I'd give him $100 and make half of it go away. :P
[00:12:37] <andypugh> Ah, no, actually, I will agree with you that it is a valve grinder
[00:12:49] <zeeshan> andypugh: doesnt look like you can adjust all the fancy angles
[00:12:56] <zeeshan> needed for end mill grinding
[00:13:22] <zeeshan> id love to have a tool grinder
[00:15:21] <furrywolf> got the 300A welder, brake lathes, valve grinder, tire changer, tire balancer, and other stuff. I no longer have the tire machines - I leant them to a friend, and his house burned.
[00:15:54] <furrywolf> I probably could have gotten it all free if I agreed to take everything, but there was also a lot of garbage I didn't want to deal with. (used parts, etc)
[00:16:23] <furrywolf> the school simply gave the space to the pottery teacher, and he wanted it gone, not caring what it was, just that it was in his way.
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[00:16:37] <furrywolf> I got two of the 300A welders, gave one to a relative. he especially wanted them gone so he could plug his kilns into the outlets.
[00:17:13] <furrywolf> between me and two buddies, we got four truckloads of stuff for that $100...
[00:17:46] <andypugh> In the future kids won’t be allowed private cars, so why teach them how to fix them?
[00:17:59] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/newwelder01.jpg two of those. old, but relatively indestructable, and nice output. 500lbs of transformer...
[00:18:17] <andypugh> (And, to be fair, who really needs to know how to re-grind valves now? )
[00:18:31] <furrywolf> andypugh: oh, they can have them, they'll just let someone else fix them, because they'll know pottery instead.
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[00:18:56] <PetefromTn_> meh pretty soon the cars will all be electric LOL..
[00:19:19] <_methods> oh man i can't wait till i don't have to drive anymore
[00:19:20] <andypugh> When did _you_ last need a valve grinder? I play with old vehicles as a hobby and I have never needed a valve grinder!
[00:19:27] <furrywolf> someone asked me how big it was, so http://fw.bushytails.net/sizecomp01.jpg is it with a variety of other objects that make it look bigger. :P
[00:19:28] <_methods> google can't make those self driving cars fast enough
[00:19:37] <furrywolf> andypugh: I've never used it. lol
[00:19:52] <furrywolf> all the bad valves I've had were bad in ways that required replacing, not regrinding.
[00:20:31] <andypugh> furrywolf: Get the Li-Ion battery pack for the Ryobi drill. It’s a huge upgrade.
[00:20:57] <furrywolf> andypugh: I sold those a while ago. I have dewalt with li-ion now.
[00:21:01] <furrywolf> this was a long time ago...
[00:21:51] <andypugh> I am a bit committed to Ryobi One+ now. I think I have 6 tools and 4 batteries.
[00:22:06] <furrywolf> I also got silicone instead of jelly, also a huge upgrade.
[00:22:41] <furrywolf> I had a pretty good ryobi set too... a couple drills, sawzalls, circular saws, and flashlights, a vacuum, an impact driver, a chopsaw, about five chargers...
[00:22:48] <furrywolf> sold it to a relative when I switched to dewalt.
[00:23:58] <furrywolf> ryboi was good tools, but dewalt was a bit heavier-duty, and has more tools available.
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[00:24:28] <alex4nder> furrywolf: haha, I learned to weld on a dialarc HF .. minus the dildo
[00:24:55] <PetefromTn_> anyone else enjoy shows like Anthony Bourdains No reservations...
[00:24:56] <furrywolf> this isn't the HF model sadly.
[00:25:06] <alex4nder> furrywolf: yah. :/
[00:25:10] <alex4nder> but a solid unit none-the-less
[00:25:52] <furrywolf> and the parts to convert it are non-trivial, I checked. better off getting a newer welder.
[00:26:12] <furrywolf> they're quite solidly built... around 500lbs with the wheels...
[00:26:33] <alex4nder> yah, with a nice consumption of 50 amp service
[00:27:16] <furrywolf> I think they want a 120A breaker or something. lol
[00:27:20] <PetefromTn_> My Tig welder is like that...
[00:27:39] <furrywolf> and require you to use #4 power wire... for short runs.
[00:27:39] <PetefromTn_> it is a big transformer machine, high frequency 350 amp.
[00:27:53] <PetefromTn_> weighs a metric ton LOL
[00:28:01] <PetefromTn_> but damn if it does not work great.
[00:29:04] <furrywolf> my plasma cutter is similar, but not quite as heavy. no brains, no electronics, no displays, no knobs... a transformer and a tap switch. heh.
[00:30:31] <furrywolf> the miller dialarc uses a magnetic amplifier for the power control... no electronics.
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[00:34:58] <furrywolf> one of the brake lathes is for drums, and needs a motor. the other is an on-vehicle rotor lathe (trues them perfectly, including wheel bearing runout!) which runs.
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[02:24:34] <XXCoder1> kniow what I want to do?
[02:24:45] <XXCoder1> plow grass under and cover it with concerete
[02:31:03] <malcom2073> +1
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[02:31:43] <furrywolf> yay, got a bunch of peppers repotted, and grape clones... planted? what do you call sticking a dead-looking branch in soil and hoping it sprouts? heh
[02:34:37] <furrywolf> manzano peppers never cease to amaze me... one of mine, in just a little 5" pot, had gotten ~5ft tall... I went to move some of the other pots around it, containing less-healthy peppers, and found they were all attached to the manzano with big thick roots. it had invaded all the pots within a foot and a half.
[02:35:20] <XXCoder1> jeez
[02:35:24] <XXCoder1> in least it wasnt mint
[02:35:30] <XXCoder1> mint has power of mint
[02:35:56] <furrywolf> manzanos grow very large root systems... and have no problem sending out feelers until they find some source of nutrients.
[02:36:10] <XXCoder1> yummy nutrients
[02:36:24] <XXCoder1> what I do want to do is grow rhuarbs plant
[02:36:27] <XXCoder1> cant spell it
[02:36:33] <XXCoder1> but damn yummy sour plant
[02:36:41] <XXCoder1> and of course toxic leaves :P
[02:37:06] <furrywolf> http://www.eatmorechiles.com/Manzano.html those
[02:39:32] <furrywolf> http://www.ecoseeds.com/Manzano.red.plant.JPG "An old, untrellised Manzano red pepper plant, about 10 feet wide and 30 feet long. See the tennis-ball sized red fruit to get an idea of the size of the plant."
[02:39:50] <XXCoder1> large
[02:40:09] <XXCoder1> I do want to grow bamboo too but too hard to manage so forget it
[02:40:34] <furrywolf> "The sprawling Manzanos or Rocotos (Capsicum pubescens) is unusually large, needing 3-4 feet, but in Florida, Hawaii and Coastal Southern California they are perennial vine-like plants that can be trellised like grapes, growing multiple stems from the roots, each growing to 15 feet long. The Manzanos when 3-4 years old, and when they are trellised, can produce hundreds of pounds of fruit per plant."
[02:40:50] <XXCoder1> so much
[02:41:03] <furrywolf> ... and this is why they send out roots and take over every other pot near them. heh.
[02:41:40] <furrywolf> I have a couple in my greenhouse, in pots... the oldest is about four years old. it's not very large right now, only about 5ft tall and rather spindly, because most of it died off in a hard freeze last winter.
[02:41:54] <furrywolf> before than it was as tall as the greenhouse (~9ft) with hand-sized leaves.
[02:43:00] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/manzanoleaf01.jpg now that's a leaf.
[02:44:22] <furrywolf> ... why would anyone WANT bamboo? lol
[02:44:23] <XXCoder1> yeah
[02:44:36] <XXCoder1> oh I do belive bamboo will be future hardwood replacement
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[02:44:56] <XXCoder1> its basically grass (same family) so it grows fast yet very hard woo
[02:44:59] <XXCoder1> wood
[02:45:52] <furrywolf> yes, I've seen bamboo flooring. I consider it more of a way of trying to find a purpose for something you can't get rid of, rather than someone you want...
[02:46:04] <XXCoder1> for now.
[02:46:13] <XXCoder1> evenually cant get enough hardwood
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[02:46:48] <furrywolf> s/someone/something
[02:48:26] <furrywolf> it's kinda like toxic waste... best way to get rid of it is to convince someone to buy it from you. :P
[02:49:08] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:49:34] <furrywolf> http://i.imgur.com/a9r4d24.jpg?1 me want. (speaking of things that might count as toxic waste...)
[02:49:47] <XXCoder1> lol yea
[02:49:48] <XXCoder1> whats name
[02:49:59] <furrywolf> Reaper
[02:50:31] <XXCoder1> thats good name
[02:52:26] <furrywolf> "The aftermath was very painful...I held it down but probably shouldn't have. I laid on the floor for about a half hour just trying to find a place to hide from the pain...ate a banana and started to feel a little better. I was in pain and had to stoop over hands on knees several times as I tried to cook some dinner on the grill for the fam..."
[02:52:50] <furrywolf> http://thehotpepper.com/topic/36599-stc3248-2013-grow-log-seasons-greetings-and-seasons-end/page-62
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[02:55:05] <XXCoder1> thye all look mean lol yeppers
[02:56:11] <georgenz> Hey guys, does anyone here know about braking resistor values for teco servo drives
[02:56:42] <furrywolf> that thread mentions pod porn, which brings up something I need to buy... I'm looking for a _cheap_ dslr. an older model, low-megapixel sensor, pretty basic lens. anyone have one they want to get rid of?
[02:57:28] <georgenz> I have a 16.5 ohm resistor in my electrical cabinet and wondering if tjat is too low?
[02:58:12] <furrywolf> I see them on craigslist occasionally, listed for >2x ebay value...
[02:59:09] <XXCoder1> georgenz: can always do serial
[02:59:53] <georgenz> Well... there r 3 in serial 5R5 each
[03:00:04] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: with big enough and mean enough peppers harvest you could always distall em into pure hot sauce
[03:00:16] <georgenz> Big things.. 500W each maybe
[03:00:17] <XXCoder1> it cost hundred buck to buy gram of 11 million SU hot sauce
[03:00:54] <furrywolf> lol
[03:00:58] <XXCoder1> georgenz: wish can help more than that hope someone can do that
[03:01:50] <georgenz> Thx. No info in manual
[03:02:36] <furrywolf> does the manual mention how/when the resistor is used?
[03:03:57] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/1i0biX1.png
[03:03:58] <zeeshan> :-)
[03:04:13] <zeeshan> i need location of those 2 grooves
[03:04:15] <zeeshan> accurately
[03:04:18] <zeeshan> and i think i can make this baby
[03:04:44] <furrywolf> it has two grooves?
[03:05:41] <bobo__> don't see slots in side to check washers. why not ?
[03:07:30] <furrywolf> what about some type of expanding collar, then measure its position? i.e. turn a ring with a D-shaped profile with the outside the same radius as the balls/groove, slot it, compress it until it snaps outwards into your existing groove, then measure is position? or can you just try to find the edges by eye?
[03:08:27] <zeeshan> bobo__:
[03:08:28] <zeeshan> no need
[03:08:32] <bobo__> yes -I thought only one ball groove . but I am old
[03:08:36] <zeeshan> im making green cap removeable
[03:08:41] <PetefromTn_> georgenz http://machmotion.com/documentation/Drives%20-%20Servo/Teco/Manufacturer%20Manuals/TSTA-User-Manual.pdf page 5-69
[03:08:53] <furrywolf> bobo__: were you the one with faulting drives? I can't remember. my memory sucks.
[03:09:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im thinking ill cut it on the bandsaw
[03:09:17] <zeeshan> and try to measure on the shadow graph
[03:09:18] <zeeshan> somehow.
[03:09:44] <zeeshan> ghetto techniques :)
[03:10:02] <bobo__> furrywolf: not me . I hope
[03:10:22] <zeeshan> not it wasnt him
[03:10:25] <zeeshan> it was someone else :P
[03:10:37] <furrywolf> zeeshan: how about putting the ball in the groove, pressing it outwards with something, then measuring where the ball is? :P
[03:11:48] <zeeshan> yea that might work
[03:11:54] <zeeshan> i can use grease to hold the ball in the groove
[03:11:59] <zeeshan> might be hard
[03:12:01] <zeeshan> but doable.
[03:12:14] <furrywolf> I was thinking something more like a wedge.
[03:12:18] <furrywolf> or a pair of wedges
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[03:13:12] <zeeshan> if i cross section it
[03:13:16] <zeeshan> i can throw it on the cmm
[03:13:20] <zeeshan> with a fine probe
[03:13:33] <furrywolf> lol
[03:13:34] <zeeshan> measure 3 points and grab the circle
[03:13:45] <zeeshan> the cylinder is garbage anyway ;p
[03:14:08] <zeeshan> shit idont even likely need cmm
[03:14:10] <zeeshan> i can do it at home
[03:14:14] <zeeshan> with a touch probe
[03:14:17] * zeeshan needs a touch probe!
[03:14:21] * furrywolf doesn't consider scoring garbage, and things a simple, mechanical measuring solution might well be more accurate than a probe for something like that... :P
[03:15:53] <georgenz> Thanks pete... that is much more comprehensive that the manual included.. it also means the resistors in the electrical cabinet will work... yay. Spec says min resistance 15 ohm and the ones in cabinet are 16.5.. brilliant!
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[03:16:42] * zeeshan needds to eat
[03:16:47] <zeeshan> tis already 10pm f.
[03:17:08] <furrywolf> lol
[03:17:13] <furrywolf> I usually eat around noon-2ish.
[03:17:21] <PetefromTn_> no worries man. I actually used a heating element for my Z axis braking resistor...
[03:17:51] <bobo__> zeeshan -I still don't see how these ball s lock the rod in the lock position
[03:18:06] <bobo__> go eat
[03:19:09] <furrywolf> bobo__: look at the top of the diagram, and you'll see the red part can't move forwards because the ball is between it and the orange part. in order for the red part to move, the green piston first has to push tbe blue cam forwards, letting the ball move.
[03:19:32] * furrywolf may have the colors wrong, recalling it from memory...
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[03:22:07] <tjtr33> georgenz, PetefromTn_ teco drives have built in braking resistors, you can add extra if you need to , see "5-6-7 Selecting for External Regeneration Resistor"
[03:22:50] <tjtr33> they make it quite scientific, calculating the joules of energy needed. then sizing additional resistance accordingly
[03:24:58] <bobo__> furrywolf thanks -----forgot the shaft top part (red )
[03:26:56] <zeeshan> yea its a bit hard to see
[03:27:05] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 yes I was aware of that thank you. already been down that road trying to determine the right size resistor.
[03:27:07] <zeeshan> i personally think its a complex but smart design
[03:27:23] <zeeshan> they prolly use joules
[03:27:42] <zeeshan> cause its easier to figure out the energy to dissipate if you had large stuff attached to your motor
[03:27:58] <tjtr33> hokay
[03:28:01] <bobo__> on the drawing ---to me it looks as if the red part is 2 pieces
[03:28:05] <zeeshan> bobo__: nope
[03:28:06] <zeeshan> 1 piece
[03:28:07] <furrywolf> bobo__: there's also a force multiplication in there, as the springs push the ball backwards on a slope on the blue cam, while the red part has a much sharper slope... but I'm not sure whether it works that way or not. the
[03:28:39] <zeeshan> its a bit easier to see if you think of the blue thing as a cam
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[03:29:36] <furrywolf> when moving backwards, the blue cam is pushing the ball... when the ball gets past the orange ring, the cam will shove it outwards, rolling it against the steep slope of the red part...
[03:29:48] <bobo__> no just the drawing -----red ring red cap inside ring
[03:30:25] <furrywolf> zeeshan: where did you get the 2700lbs from?
[03:30:31] <zeeshan> manufacturer
[03:30:39] <zeeshan> who sent me the drawings
[03:30:53] <bobo__> and yes it is a neat design
[03:30:59] <furrywolf> because it might have a multiplication factor of the ratio of the two slopes, that is the springs might only need to push, say, 500lbs...
[03:31:00] <zeeshan> well you see all these drawbars
[03:31:05] <zeeshan> that are simply push
[03:31:16] <zeeshan> they are okay but not as safe since relying on spring pressure only
[03:31:20] <furrywolf> and if you put 2700lb springs in there, it might go crunch.
[03:32:06] <zeeshan> well when hydraulic pressure is pushing on it
[03:32:07] <furrywolf> the orange part and the red part form a pair of wedges, that the ball is shoved between.
[03:32:12] <zeeshan> the slope isn't doing anything
[03:32:25] <zeeshan> the gap opens up
[03:32:29] <zeeshan> and ball is free to move
[03:32:54] <zeeshan> but in the closing position
[03:33:03] <zeeshan> the cam causes a radial force o nthe balls
[03:34:51] <bobo__> stuff i have read seems to be 1200pounds to 2500pounds of Pull force ,to retain tool holder in spindle for 40 taper
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[03:35:27] <furrywolf> I'm just thinking about how closing works... first the piston moves back. the spring starts pushing the blue cam and pins back, staying against the piston. since the ball is wedged above the orange ring, it is pushed back too, pushing the red part back. but as soon as the ball gets past the orange ring, the cam will shove it into the tapers instead of push backwards...
[03:36:02] <furrywolf> the only forces applied to move the red part backwards come from the ball
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[03:37:12] <furrywolf> so closing goes spring force, cam-wedging force, locked.
[03:39:35] <zeeshan> all this talk
[03:39:44] <zeeshan> that coulda been avoided just by a bloody animation !
[03:40:14] <bobo__> yes Mr Disney
[03:40:21] <zeeshan> hahaha
[03:42:01] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WDdf3kr.png
[03:42:05] <zeeshan> one of my old drawings from a job
[03:42:14] * zeeshan is a visual person
[03:42:23] <furrywolf> or, to put it another way, the springs are moving 12mm while the rod is only moving 5.8mm, so unless part of that movement is spent not applying force, there's some leverage. :P
[03:42:45] <furrywolf> do you have an uncolored drawbar drawing handy?
[03:42:45] <zeeshan> where are you getting 12mm from
[03:43:08] <furrywolf> roughly measuring the distance the blue cam moves compared to the distance the rod moves, shown to be 5.8mm
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[03:45:14] <bobo__> zeeshan chrome ----- car brake cyl are not chromed------ also ID / bore chroming is not off the shelf stuff ------- smooth chrome is usualy ground
[03:47:05] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea
[03:47:12] <cornmander> hi all, I'm trying to get a KB electronics VFD working with a 7i76, controlled via linuxcnc, and I'm confused about how I should set things up to allow for bidirectional spindle control... the spindle operates at -5V to 5V, where -5V is 2K RPM counterclockwise, and 5V is 2K RPM clockwise... I tried setting that up in pncconf and the spindle spins when the brake is on...
[03:47:47] <zeeshan> bobo__: cars are cheap :-)
[03:47:53] <zeeshan> but good point
[03:47:56] <zeeshan> it doesnt need to be chrome
[03:50:19] <Rab> http://austin.craigslist.org/bfs/4869215716.html
[03:50:31] <Rab> Man, that crush grinder is an ugly piece of machinery!
[03:50:37] <XXCoder> man
[03:50:51] <XXCoder> finally find part # fr part im having problem with
[03:50:52] <XXCoder> F6RZ9D477AA
[03:51:00] <XXCoder> but ghere is NO pics of it jeez
[03:51:44] <Rab> Like this? http://www.oemfordpart.com/oe-ford/f6rz9d477aa
[03:51:54] <furrywolf> zeeshan: uncolored diagram?
[03:52:10] <XXCoder> Rab: thats the sole pic I found. no real pic
[03:52:12] <zeeshan> why do you hate my colored diagram!
[03:52:54] <bobo__> no flesh colors
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[03:57:55] <furrywolf> because you used scribbles instead of the paint tool. :P
[03:58:04] <furrywolf> paint bucket tool
[04:00:19] <zeeshan> its not white space background
[04:00:28] <zeeshan> i tried to used bucket
[04:00:29] <zeeshan> :P
[04:01:25] <zeeshan> im messing around with the cam in solidworks
[04:01:31] <zeeshan> (its not dimensioned fully correctly
[04:01:37] <zeeshan> but yea when the cam moves to the left
[04:01:47] <zeeshan> due to the dowels being pushed cause of the piston
[04:02:13] <zeeshan> the ball is no longer wedged , it falls into that round cavity thing on the cam
[04:02:30] <zeeshan> but when the cam moves to the right cause of spring pressure
[04:02:54] <zeeshan> it looks there is a multiplier effect in order to shut the thing
[04:02:57] <zeeshan> cause of the wedgs
[04:03:00] <zeeshan> wedges
[04:03:10] <furrywolf> which means you do not want 2700lbs of springs, or bad things will happen.
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[04:03:27] <zeeshan> well
[04:03:38] <zeeshan> sec ill tell you approx +/- 2 springs
[04:03:38] <XXCoder> Rab: anyway pic I found in least tells me shape of it
[04:03:40] <zeeshan> how many springs there were
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[04:03:47] <XXCoder> so I may finally be able to find other end
[04:03:53] <Cromaglious> there now the kb works
[04:07:14] <bobo__> cornmander: ask Cromaglious about his kb
[04:07:49] <zeeshan> there were 36 belleville washers in there
[04:08:00] <zeeshan> .484" id, 1.340 od
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[04:08:11] <Cromaglious> I haven't been on this tty for 2 days and it qouldn't take kb input... restarted the window and now everything works again
[04:09:09] <Cromaglious> ugh Shop Smith contraptions are evil! the table saw blades even more so
[04:10:03] <zeeshan> so 36 / 5.8 mm movement
[04:10:29] <zeeshan> er 5.8 / 36 = .16mm movement per spring
[04:10:33] <Cromaglious> that bigassed freaking hole in them... I need to make an arbor to take standarded 10" table saw blades
[04:11:05] <Cromaglious> zee sounds about right
[04:11:11] <zeeshan> .15mm movement is 15% of spring deflection which yields 687 N of force according to specs online
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[04:12:05] <zeeshan> 153lb.. * 36 = 5520 lb
[04:12:06] <zeeshan> hmm !
[04:13:04] <furrywolf> springs in series add travel, not force
[04:13:19] <zeeshan> nub mistake
[04:13:34] <furrywolf> and your travel is actually closer to 12mm, not the 5.8mm the rod moves.
[04:13:46] <zeeshan> i dont believe you :p
[04:13:50] <bobo__> thickness mayby ?
[04:14:13] <bobo__> maybe
[04:14:19] <zeeshan> the blue cam only moves 5.6mm
[04:14:25] <zeeshan> i mean 5.8mm
[04:14:30] <zeeshan> so the springs only compress 5.8
[04:14:37] <zeeshan> the dowels are pushing directly on the blue cam
[04:14:42] <zeeshan> which directrly pushes on the springs
[04:14:43] <furrywolf> but, of course, the cam doesn't apply driving force over its entire travel... you'll need to identify where it does and doesn't during the retract direction...
[04:14:59] <zeeshan> i strill dont see wher eyou're getting 12mm multiplication from
[04:15:03] <furrywolf> zeeshan: look at where they show the springs on the upper and lower diagrams. notice how far they've moved. :P
[04:15:26] <furrywolf> now look at the end and notice how far it shows 5.8mm is, setting the scale
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[04:18:33] <zeeshan> 53 pixels for the springs
[04:18:55] <zeeshan> 28 pixels for the collar nut on the left
[04:19:11] <zeeshan> 1.9 factor
[04:19:21] <furrywolf> so my 12 guess isn't far off. :P
[04:19:23] <zeeshan> haha yea
[04:19:26] <zeeshan> 11~ mm
[04:19:32] <zeeshan> hmm i dont see whats causing that
[04:19:54] <bobo__> guys does Dwg say drawn to scale ?
[04:19:56] * furrywolf does, but isn't sure what effect it actually has
[04:20:03] <zeeshan> bobo__: its likely not to scale
[04:20:10] <zeeshan> but it should be relative to each compoennt
[04:20:27] <zeeshan> that makes n osense to me
[04:20:30] <zeeshan> the bloody piston is moving the blue thing
[04:20:34] <furrywolf> bobo__: I'm fairly sure it's to scale. it has that obessive quality to it.
[04:20:38] <zeeshan> which we know moves 5.8 mm for sure
[04:20:50] <zeeshan> yet the springs that the blue cam is pushing
[04:20:54] <zeeshan> displacee almost double that.
[04:20:57] <bobo__> not when I was drafting
[04:21:00] <furrywolf> the piston only moves the blue thing. the balls move the red thing. the piston does NOT move the red thing.
[04:21:02] <zeeshan> that makes no sense.
[04:21:11] <zeeshan> bobo__: rofl i just realized
[04:21:13] <zeeshan> this is hand drawingt.
[04:21:16] <zeeshan> *drawn.
[04:22:11] <zeeshan> the red thing doesnt move ?
[04:22:14] <zeeshan> its fixed..
[04:22:57] <zeeshan> hm
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[04:23:00] <zeeshan> looks like it does move.
[04:24:22] <ffurrywol> <furrywolf> the piston and springs move the blue thing, which moves the balls, which move the red thing. because of the various cams and slopes (there's three of them involved!), there isn't a linear relationship between them.
[04:24:55] <zeeshan> these bastards made it so complex
[04:25:02] <zeeshan> yet its so cool!
[04:25:08] <ffurrywol> lol
[04:25:24] <zeeshan> hats off to them
[04:25:27] <zeeshan> doing this stuff without cad
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[04:26:16] <zeeshan> i think i might finally get it.
[04:26:19] <zeeshan> following what you said
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[04:26:28] <zeeshan> the blue thing displaces 5.8 mm due to piston
[04:26:45] <furrywolf> no, the blue thing displaces 11mm due to piston
[04:26:45] <zeeshan> but due to the slope / leverage action
[04:27:30] <zeeshan> okay piston travels 11 mm
[04:27:50] <zeeshan> which in turn moves the blue shit
[04:28:04] <zeeshan> which in turn compresses the springs and also at the same time
[04:28:06] <zeeshan> pushes against the red thing
[04:28:14] <furrywolf> the red thing only moves less than the diameter of the balls. let me guess, they're 6mm?
[04:28:26] <zeeshan> 6.2mm
[04:28:29] <zeeshan> :)
[04:29:02] <zeeshan> oikay i see it now.
[04:29:07] <zeeshan> since the ball moves out of the way
[04:29:10] <zeeshan> the red thing can now move
[04:29:16] <furrywolf> you should model it and animate it. :P
[04:29:19] <zeeshan> makes sense now.
[04:29:34] <zeeshan> they have offset it ina way
[04:29:37] <furrywolf> right, that's the lock part...
[04:29:38] <zeeshan> that it doesnt move the full diameter of the ball
[04:29:47] <furrywolf> the pull stroke is where it's interesting
[04:30:12] <zeeshan> man germans can really design stuff
[04:30:13] <zeeshan> :-)
[04:30:34] <zeeshan> it'd take me a long ass time to come up with this type of mechanism
[04:30:42] <zeeshan> they prolly dream this stuff up
[04:30:56] <furrywolf> at first, the springs push the cam backwards, and the ball is stuck on the orange ring, so it directly pushes the red thing backwards. here you have a 1:1 force relationship.
[04:31:51] <zeeshan> thats the initial tiny slope
[04:31:52] <zeeshan> o nthe cam
[04:31:53] <zeeshan> i see it
[04:32:32] <furrywolf> no, the slope is irrelevant at that point, because the ball is on top of the orange ring, and can't ride up the slope.
[04:33:33] <zeeshan> see that longer slope
[04:33:37] <zeeshan> and then the flat portion on the cam?
[04:33:52] <zeeshan> when the displacement gets to the point where the ball is being pushed by that long slope
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[04:33:57] <zeeshan> whats is frigging cool is
[04:34:00] <zeeshan> the red thing's slope
[04:34:07] <zeeshan> helps guide the ball into the ball groove
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[04:34:27] <zeeshan> at the same time it's moving back too
[04:34:29] <zeeshan> (red thing)
[04:34:40] <furrywolf> then, as you get further back, the orange ring ends. the ball is still in the steeper indent on the blue cam, 50 degrees, but has the pair of 75 degree slopes on the other side, one on the orange ring, one on the red part. now the forces get complicated. you have a horizontal component still pushing it back, plus a vertical component provided by the slope of the cam, pushing it into the two other slopes, increasing the force.
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[04:35:43] <zeeshan> i think im gonna buy the spring packs
[04:35:48] <zeeshan> i know i can get themn for $70
[04:35:59] <furrywolf> then, as it moves back more, the blue cam pushes the ball out of the indent, and it begins riding on the shallower 20 degree section. this causes a much larger vertical component, pushing into the 75 degree slopes of the vee, greatly multiplying the force.
[04:36:01] <zeeshan> because that stuff really needs to be right and i cant sit here and reverse engineer it
[04:36:18] <zeeshan> unless i guess i have exact dimensions for everything
[04:36:48] <zeeshan> dude
[04:36:53] <zeeshan> you can see clearly why they do that
[04:36:56] <furrywolf> finally, after the ball is pushed all the way between the orange ring and the red part, it gets to the flat part of the cam, which no longer applies any force at all - but at the same time makes sure there's no possible way it can move.
[04:37:58] <furrywolf> I'm not sure whether it actually rides on the flat part or not. it looks like it should, but the upper diagram shows it doesn't, and instead stays in the force-multiplying region.
[04:38:08] <zeeshan> yea
[04:38:19] <zeeshan> theyre using the slope to force it into the ball groove
[04:38:24] <zeeshan> so it doesnt go on the flat portion
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[04:38:57] <zeeshan> the flat portion would have to be ground
[04:39:03] <zeeshan> if the ball rested on it,
[04:39:06] <zeeshan> which it isnt
[04:39:16] <zeeshan> that cam has turning marks on it
[04:39:37] <furrywolf> which means the final holding force is set by the 20 degree slope and the 75 degree slopes, and you need to do some vector math. :)
[04:39:57] <zeeshan> you really need the geomtry
[04:39:59] <zeeshan> angles are a bitch
[04:40:02] <zeeshan> if you slightly have them off
[04:40:10] <zeeshan> it changes the force by huge amount
[04:40:12] <zeeshan> damn you sine!
[04:40:30] <furrywolf> nah, one of the nice things about sines is they're nice and smooth.
[04:42:01] <zeeshan> force is say 1000 and you estimate sine of 20 vs sin of 30 , 342 lb vs 500lb
[04:42:02] <zeeshan> big error
[04:42:58] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucAH-7yFmR8 inside of a small chinese led filament bulb factory
[04:44:02] <zeeshan> notice no safety glasses
[04:44:03] <zeeshan> lol
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[04:45:17] <furrywolf> these led filament bulbs are cool. I might need to acquire a few. not sure what I'll use them in, but they're still cool. lol
[04:45:34] <furrywolf> the "filaments" appear to be strips of OLEDs on glass, dipped is phosphors
[04:45:40] <furrywolf> s/is/in
[04:46:20] <zeeshan> those worers dont look happy
[04:46:21] <zeeshan> lol
[04:46:25] <zeeshan> *wokers
[04:46:30] <zeeshan> qslkjsaldkjasldk i can type. i give up
[04:47:16] <LeelooMinai> You cannot even type that you cannot type:p
[04:47:40] <zeeshan> furrywolf: put em on your cnc machine
[04:48:06] <furrywolf> put several on top and have them flash when the axes move? :P
[04:48:32] <zeeshan> yes, you know like those red green yellow lights on cnc machines in an industrial setting
[04:48:42] <furrywolf> how to make retro scifi props while saving electricity. :P
[04:49:34] <zeeshan> whats the point of the glass bulb? :)
[04:50:19] <furrywolf> they run at high voltage
[04:50:25] <furrywolf> keeps fingers out.
[04:50:32] <furrywolf> also, they look very delicate!
[04:50:35] <zeeshan> how many volts?
[04:51:28] <furrywolf> 50-70 depending on what you read, and they're in pairs in series.
[04:51:34] <monkeyisl> i wanna build a cnc ... where i start from?? lol hi zeeshan
[04:51:43] <zeeshan> hi
[04:53:31] <LeelooMinai> monkeyisl: From robbing a bank I would say:)
[04:54:02] <monkeyisl> why does it ask much moneY? lol
[04:54:56] <LeelooMinai> monkeyisl: If it's for milling stuff it probably will
[04:55:20] <monkeyisl> because of spindle?
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[04:56:29] <furrywolf> grrrrrr!
[04:56:30] <LeelooMinai> monkeyisl: Because of everything pretty much - for milling it has to be rigid, you want some quality rails and ballscrews, etc. But if it's for some, I don't know, CNC then... I guess you should start from describing what is it supposed to do:)
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[05:11:02] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[05:11:24] <bobo__> nite
[05:23:20] <XXCoder> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/9/2/374092_v1.jpg lol
[05:24:59] <Cromaglious> MDF with aluminum angle rails with belt drives is probably about the cheapest. right enough to running a trim router on low density wood/plastic and be within 0.010 of where you want to be.
[05:25:39] <Cromaglious> s/right/rigid/
[05:27:20] <Cromaglious> for steel you need rigidity from more steel or cast iron
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[06:25:51] <witnit_> I want to get the guys at the shop each a pair of really nice safety glasses (i wear prescription safety) what kinds are your favorites? coated maybe?
[06:29:50] <XXCoder> damn
[06:29:51] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.io/project/1965-full-size-wireless-redstone-lamp
[06:29:54] <XXCoder> I want one
[06:30:09] <XXCoder> too bad no cnc :(
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[06:42:22] <XXCoder> xvideo
[06:42:28] <XXCoder> jeez
[06:43:04] <XXCoder> wrong channel lol
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[07:16:36] <Cromaglious> witnit, Anything stylish looking disappear out the door tooooooo fast
[07:17:04] <Cromaglious> aka smith and wessons, wrap arounds, sunglass safeties,...
[07:18:29] <Cromaglious> I really like the old birth control safety glasses with glass covered lenses, with the side shields permanently attached. either in light tan or light blue almost a robin blue
[07:19:38] <Cromaglious> they last forever and ugly enough they never leave the shop and actually work. But the important thing is they are comfortable!
[07:20:56] <Cromaglious> the cheap plastic safety glasses... the lenses scratch inside of a day and then they get tossed and they get a new pair. so some guys might be going through 5 to 15 pairs a week...
[07:21:12] <Cromaglious> witnit_: you there?
[07:28:26] <Cromaglious> witnit_ , nudge nudge
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[07:53:32] <Deejay> moin
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[07:56:28] <witnit_> Cromaglious, its a small shop family and close friends we all share tools and it works out nice. They only go through a <5 pair each a year I bet.
[07:56:51] <witnit_> I just think if i can get some really good scratch resistant ones it would be best
[07:57:18] <witnit_> but im not sure the brands or industries that use hardcoated safety glasses
[07:57:41] <witnit_> I want something they can wipe off and if there is a spec of metal it wont instantly leave a deep groove
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[08:00:29] <witnit_> morning Dee =D
[08:06:43] <Deejay> mojn witnit_
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[09:46:41] <MacGalempsy> Is this the same MrSunshine that plays bf43?
[09:46:49] <MrSunshine> nop
[09:46:58] <MacGalempsy> ahhh. ok
[09:48:21] <MacGalempsy> hes pretty good, and his wife MrsSunshine plays pretty good too
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[10:03:13] <MrSunshine> heh
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[11:31:25] <jack16> What's your recommendation for 400 hz inverter to go with chinese spindle (2.2 kW)? Supplied on just blew off.
[11:32:18] <jack16> caught fire, actually
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[11:34:28] <archivist> one has to ask, did the motor kill the inverter
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[11:39:40] <jack16> motor spins freely, each phase pair gives same 1.6 Ohm resistance. I'd bet it's ok
[11:40:24] <archivist> check leakage to ground too
[11:41:02] <archivist> you may have shorted turns a simple resistance test will not show
[11:42:05] <archivist> if you can measure inductance as well, that should spot that
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[11:50:15] <jack16> on leakage, can't test inductance
[11:54:44] <jack16> on=ok
[11:54:58] <Loetmichel> archivist: even better than measuring inductance is pulse the windig with a dc current and look on the answer on an oscilloscope: if you see some decreasing ringing thats a sure sing of a winding short
[11:55:35] <Loetmichel> if it simply leaps up voltage wise and dissiüpates its usually ok
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[13:25:29] <MrSunshine> yeey looks like my luabindings for opencamlib works somewhat =)
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[14:57:16] <JT-Shop> so much for the USPS bragging about delivering mail... I've not had any mail since the 13th and don't expect them to show up till the 25th or 26th
[14:58:53] <skunkworks> yeck, has the weather cleared finally?
[14:59:53] <JT-Shop> no precip expected till Saturday but frozen sleet and snow still on the ground and any county roads that are not paved
[15:01:41] <pcw_home> you mean rain or sleet or snow _do_ stay these couriers...
[15:02:35] <JT-Shop> lol yea no one comes out here when there is snow on the road. I have a UPS shipment that has been "out for delivery" since last Monday
[15:02:43] <JT-Shop> no trash collection either
[15:08:41] <_methods> damn
[15:08:58] <_methods> you're going to have to start eating your neighbors
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[15:09:32] <malcom2073> Lol
[15:10:03] <_methods> anyone in here had good luck with any turning inserts with UHMW?
[15:10:08] <malcom2073> They do that to us, and our post office keeps hours of 11am to 3pm, so it's difficult to get there to pick things up
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[15:11:27] <jthornton> I use inserts designed for aluminum with dead sharp edges on plastics
[15:11:57] <_methods> yeah we're using the smallest ic now
[15:12:43] <_methods> i've got an email out to the sandvik rep i guess they have some dcgx inserts that are supposed to eject the "chip" more like streamer away from the chuck
[15:13:08] <_methods> and by chip i mean rope
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[15:13:11] <archivist> you need the ground sharp ones
[15:13:23] <_methods> yeah we might have to use HSS for this one
[15:15:11] <jthornton> http://www.toolmex.com/images/ecomm_images/Items/Large/DCGT-AK.jpg
[15:15:29] <_methods> yeah
[15:15:30] <jthornton> I use inserts similar to that one with sharp edges
[15:15:39] <_methods> that's what the dcgx is i guess
[15:15:44] <_methods> similar geometry
[15:16:04] <_methods> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?c=dcgx%202%281.5%290-al%20h10
[15:16:54] <_methods> probably need to look at the 01 though
[15:17:04] <jthornton> I like the polished ones they seem sharper
[15:17:29] <_methods> i'll try them out
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[15:39:30] <ssi> marn
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[15:44:00] <ssi> pcw_home: hey I was gonna order that P2 IDC to DB25 adapter on the store, but it's marked not in stock! :(
[15:47:21] <pcw_home> I'll check when I get in, I'm sure there are some around
[15:47:27] <ssi> thanks
[15:47:42] <ssi> I can make one if necessary
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[16:01:53] <jdh> same as a motherboard idc26 to pport db25?
[16:01:59] <ssi> probably
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[16:19:08] <_methods> anybody built a linuxcnc box lately with a new mobo?
[16:19:34] <_methods> i need to build another box for a mill and was thinkin about just buyin a new rig
[16:19:51] <_methods> instead of doing my usual scrounge it up
[16:20:52] <ssi> I usually just buy off-lease dell low profile desktops from tigerdirect
[16:20:57] <ssi> $150-200 apiece, and they work great
[16:21:29] <_methods> that sounds good
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[16:22:44] <_abc_> Hello. Does anyone have a linuxcnc config for those simple parallel port 3 and 4ch Toshiba 6600 and 6560 boards sold on ebay? These two kinds of boards are different.
[16:23:15] <_methods> pretty sure the linuxcnc wiki has them on there
[16:23:33] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
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[16:24:14] <_methods> hmm not seein them on there
[16:24:25] <_methods> oh nm
[16:24:28] <_methods> first board at the top
[16:24:39] <_abc_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560 this seems to be one board
[16:24:44] <_methods> yea
[16:24:57] <_methods> its a very common board
[16:25:08] <_methods> univerally regarded as a POS
[16:25:31] <_methods> i've never used one myself but i have seen many stories about them
[16:26:39] <_abc_> Well this is what they sell on ebay and lots of gullible people buy
[16:26:45] <_abc_> See the info on the mods there.
[16:26:47] <_methods> yeah i now they work
[16:26:53] <_methods> lots of people use them
[16:26:54] <_abc_> They work very slowly.
[16:27:24] <_methods> s/now/know
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[16:31:34] <_methods> hehe use it till it blows up then buy a real board from mesa
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[16:31:53] <_abc_> Those are Mesa board clones?
[16:31:57] <_methods> no
[16:32:08] <_methods> i'm not sure who they cloned on those
[16:32:24] <_methods> i'm sure someone in here might know
[16:32:36] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572
[16:32:37] <pcw_home> look hard to beat for a used computer for Linuxcnc
[16:32:58] <_methods> wow $39
[16:33:07] <_methods> yeah free shipping too lol
[16:33:16] <ssi> hah yeah
[16:33:18] <ssi> get two
[16:33:25] <pcw_home> no hdd
[16:33:30] <ssi> cheap ssd
[16:33:48] <_methods> i have 2 64gb ssds in my drawer
[16:33:50] <_methods> hmm
[16:34:05] <JT-Shop> crumb, sheetcam fails to generate my dog turd profile
[16:34:28] <_abc_> Does it only do human turds?
[16:34:29] <JT-Shop> I guess it don't like polylines
[16:34:38] <_methods> no one likes poly lines
[16:34:40] <JT-Shop> this is my first turd
[16:34:45] * _abc_ can't unsee Tom Cruise's gold gilded turd from his daughter.
[16:34:51] <ssi> lol I just bought two of those dc7800s
[16:35:01] <JT-Shop> this is a septic tank cleanout marker
[16:35:05] <_methods> bastard
[16:35:09] <_methods> save some for me lol
[16:35:12] <ssi> haha there's plenty
[16:35:18] <ssi> but hurry ;)
[16:35:27] <_abc_> What's a dc7800 please?
[16:35:34] <ssi> a computer
[16:36:54] <_methods> heheh
[16:37:53] <_methods> man $39 + free shipping
[16:37:54] <_methods> score
[16:39:35] <miss0r|shop> I have 2x dc7800p laying around
[16:39:44] <miss0r|shop> I never managed to get them stable with windows XP :-/
[16:40:57] <pcw_home> easily solved
[16:40:59] <_methods> windows.........
[16:41:17] <JT-Shop> oh well, onecnc created the G code path and now I just have to add the start code
[16:41:42] <miss0r|shop> well, the problem is my CAMM-3 mill here - it needs to be handled as a printer with a kernel-mode driver
[16:41:59] <_methods> ahhh
[16:42:08] <_methods> is that one of those pcb mills
[16:42:28] <miss0r|shop> it's a camm-3 PNC-3100. it does it all. even aluminum if you don't run it too hard
[16:42:49] <_methods> oh wild
[16:42:57] <_methods> that thing looks crazy
[16:43:15] <_methods> what's with the single tslot lol
[16:43:32] <miss0r|shop> I got it for next to nothing 1500USD.. It used to be something like 30K usd back in the day
[16:43:43] <_methods> looks pretty solid
[16:43:58] <_methods> but damn 1 tslot
[16:44:06] <_methods> that's just cruel
[16:44:14] <miss0r|shop> It is. I am looking into buying a 'mod-chip' for it, so it can be used with linuxcnc
[16:44:29] <_methods> i guess you just throw a sub plate on there
[16:44:32] <ssi> it's cute
[16:44:52] <miss0r|shop> theres a ready made one, I can buy on a forum for camm-3 owners. but noone knows if it only works with the pnc-3000 model
[16:45:39] <miss0r|shop> _methods: At the moment I am milling an aluminum bracket for my arboga mill cnc convertion - doing that with a vise. Regularly I have a vacuum table bolted on there
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[16:46:32] <_methods> definitely cool
[16:46:47] <_methods> except for the whole stuck with brother software thing
[16:46:55] <miss0r|shop> it would be sweeter if I could use linuxCNC with it. the software for this (Modela Player 4) is somewhat limited
[16:47:17] <ssi> you can convert anything
[16:47:21] <_methods> yeah
[16:47:24] <ssi> depending on how willing you are to hack :)
[16:48:03] <miss0r|shop> indeed. forexample, I can't do that 'spiral-doown' movement with this software. I don't know the english term for this
[16:48:15] <_methods> helical bore
[16:48:21] <_methods> helical interpolation
[16:48:34] <miss0r|shop> indeed. That is not an option. which means it just plunges the mill down
[16:48:54] <miss0r|shop> in other words: I have set all z-movement painfully slow
[16:50:16] <miss0r|shop> I was amazed when I took it apart for lubrication when I bought it. The Z linear rold are 50mm in diameter!
[16:50:27] <miss0r|shop> rods*
[16:50:38] <_methods> yeah looks like a solid build
[16:50:52] <_methods> does it use servos?
[16:51:03] <miss0r|shop> too bad they totally discontinued this series
[16:51:14] <miss0r|shop> no, steppers
[16:51:17] <_methods> ahh
[16:51:55] <_methods> wow here's your WTF for the day
[16:51:59] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lygdoU7nA&feature=youtu.be
[16:52:13] <_methods> too cold outside
[16:52:17] <_methods> put a stove on your back
[16:52:27] <miss0r|shop> like right now: The modela player software takes .dxf files. At the moment I can see it decided not to do one of the paths specified! I will have to do that manualy afterwards :-/
[16:52:55] <miss0r|shop> _methods: looks comfy :D
[16:53:04] <_methods> looks insane
[16:53:22] <miss0r|shop> I wouldn't want to be fishing down wind from this guy
[16:53:35] <archivist> ready smoked fish
[16:53:59] <miss0r|shop> I might pour something realy flammable down his exhaust pipe :D
[16:54:06] <_methods> i thought us americans had the stupid market cornered
[16:54:25] <miss0r|shop> ... you haven't watched alot of russian videos online, have you? :D
[16:54:34] <_methods> hahah yeah
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[16:55:01] <miss0r|shop> i'm sorry, but the russians are about to run off with the title formerly owned by the americans
[16:55:20] <miss0r|shop> with a twist of insanity
[16:56:00] <_methods> no kidding
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[17:00:25] <miss0r|shop> _methods: What I am milling right now: http://picpaste.com/pics/DSC_0050-U65PqS1Q.1424710809.JPG
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[17:01:21] <miss0r|shop> and some parts I milled on it yesterday: http://picpaste.com/pics/DSC_0051-mA7bMEqY.1424710863.JPG
[17:01:33] <miss0r|shop> not including the belt gears and bearings ofc. ;)
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[17:04:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods: Soviet era pocket warmer
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[17:07:23] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the skits about CCCP1 TV that SCTV used to do
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[17:19:33] <marmite> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15996745/ferretmynt.jpg iam currently milling this
[17:20:05] <miss0r|shop> marmite: what it is :D
[17:20:14] <marmite> price for a thing :D
[17:20:20] <marmite> ferret on the pic
[17:20:50] <miss0r|shop> cool. When I'm done with my CNC convertion here I am going to be milling the sh*t out of alot of stuff :) stuff like that included
[17:23:59] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that is one tough crazy russian that REALLY wants to be warm LOL.
[17:29:35] <marmite> sweet :D
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[17:29:38] <marmite> what are you converting
[17:30:16] <miss0r|shop> heart pounding! 1 2,5 meter long 30mm diameter aluminum rod just decided to fall to the floor behind me (And I am standing with hearing protection on next to the mill)
[17:30:41] <miss0r|shop> I damn near shat my slev!
[17:31:11] <marmite> hahahahhaha :D fuck
[17:31:22] <marmite> better change those pants
[17:31:44] <miss0r|shop> yeah no kidding
[17:33:09] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have had that happen to me before while working in the shop... I don't usually wear hearing protection but when the mill is running it is somewhat noisy. Then something falls off a shelf or a piece of metal I propped up somewhere falls down flat onto the concrete floor is enough to make you think a bomb went off or something hehe
[17:34:03] <miss0r|shop> Indeed. and I have my back to the entrance :) (Not that I am jumpy or anything) But I do live somewhat out in the middle of nowhere
[17:37:48] <_methods> wow snow in texas
[17:38:06] <_methods> very glad it's 60 here hehe
[17:38:29] <marmite> snowing and -2 celcius here
[17:38:44] <miss0r|shop> sounds nice. I have around -2 -3. and a bit of snow
[17:38:54] <miss0r|shop> I have a wood stove in the shop here, does the trick :)
[17:40:15] <miss0r|shop> marmite: Where are you from?
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[17:40:38] <marmite> sweden!
[17:40:39] <marmite> and you?
[17:40:44] <miss0r|shop> Denmark!
[17:40:51] <marmite> awsome!
[17:40:54] <miss0r|shop> I thought it was mostly americans in here
[17:41:00] <marmite> mostly yes
[17:41:06] <PetefromTn_> nice and shitty and rainy here this morning. Not as cold tho probably in 40's F.
[17:41:24] <miss0r|shop> marmite: Where in Sweden, if you don't mind me asking?
[17:41:36] <marmite> enköping like 50km from stockholm
[17:41:55] <_methods> is that where they have that huge lan party
[17:42:04] <marmite> nah thats jönköping
[17:42:09] <_methods> oh heheh
[17:42:10] <marmite> enköping is the home of bacho
[17:42:11] <marmite> ^^
[17:42:14] <_methods> just remember the kopin part
[17:42:17] <marmite> ahh
[17:42:56] <miss0r|shop> hehe. I had to use a map to locate it :)
[17:43:03] <marmite> yeah i understand that
[17:43:47] <miss0r|shop> and I must've slept through geography back in school.
[17:43:59] <marmite> :P
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[17:49:00] <miss0r|shop> marmite: it's been a while since I did anything but just drive through sweden to get to Bornholm: is the swedish liqour still only available in thoes "system pola... something" ?
[17:49:15] <marmite> yeah sorry to say that :/
[17:49:18] <marmite> or germany :D
[17:49:22] <marmite> that what i do :D
[17:49:28] <marmite> drive thrue denmark to rödeby
[17:49:29] <miss0r|shop> indeed. Swedens liqour store
[17:49:35] <marmite> fairy to germany and purtgard
[17:50:10] <miss0r|shop> indeed. I go there my slev once in a while. Usualy I would stack up on soda, but now they are cheap in denmark when on discount.. which is almost always
[17:50:18] <marmite> sweet :D
[17:50:22] <marmite> denmark has foxi kondi
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[17:50:23] <marmite> fav soda
[17:50:29] <miss0r|shop> Mine also :)
[17:50:34] <marmite> sweet!
[17:50:46] <miss0r|shop> Regular price for 1,5L faxe kondi is 10kr on discount
[17:52:03] <marmite> not bad
[17:52:14] <marmite> what about the faxe kondi energi drink?
[17:52:39] <miss0r|shop> I don't know. I haven't tried it - isn't it just like faxe kondi without the boubles?
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[18:00:07] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7X9X8LTe0 Pretty cool wood stove
[18:03:03] <miss0r|shop> PetefromTn_: sweet
[18:03:06] <miss0r|shop> I want one
[18:03:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.. that thing is pretty simple
[18:05:16] <zeeshan> hey guys
[18:05:18] <zeeshan> i still cant figure this out
[18:05:29] <zeeshan> the most precise way to measure this ball groove seat location
[18:05:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/1i0biX1.png
[18:05:48] <zeeshan> to the right of the orange thing
[18:08:22] <ssi> ball groove
[18:08:56] <_methods> you should be able to do it with a depth mic
[18:09:21] <zeeshan> depth mic is
[18:09:28] <zeeshan> |__| at the tip
[18:09:31] <_methods> a depth micrometer
[18:09:34] <zeeshan> at least mine is
[18:09:39] <_methods> lol
[18:09:45] <_methods> you think that's the only tip for a depth mic
[18:09:51] <zeeshan> for mine yea
[18:09:52] <ssi> haha
[18:09:55] <zeeshan> i have 3 of em!
[18:09:56] <zeeshan> :P
[18:09:56] <_methods> you can replace the shaft
[18:09:58] <zeeshan> theyre all square
[18:10:05] <ssi> replace the shaft so you can measure your ball groove
[18:10:09] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can rin a dial indicator across it
[18:10:14] <zeeshan> i have a confident bore measurement
[18:10:31] <_methods> google groove depth mic maybe.........
[18:10:56] <PetefromTn_> not sure exactly what you are measuring but it looks like a dial bore gauge would work no?
[18:11:08] <_methods> he wants to measure dist to groove
[18:11:14] <zeeshan> im trying to measure the lengthwise distance
[18:11:15] <zeeshan> to groove
[18:11:29] <PetefromTn_> oh I thought you wanted diameter in bottom of groove
[18:11:33] <zeeshan> its a partial 6.2 mm diameter arc
[18:11:44] <zeeshan> i have that already
[18:11:48] <zeeshan> i used a 6.2mm ball bearing
[18:11:49] <_methods> you could also put a pin guage in there and measure down to it
[18:11:55] <zeeshan> and measured relative to that
[18:11:55] <_methods> or a jo block
[18:11:57] <ssi> hold a ball of known diameter in the groove and take a depth measurement to the ball
[18:12:08] <ssi> then add the radius of the ball
[18:12:14] <_methods> any number of ways to measure that
[18:12:15] <zeeshan> ssi: why didnt i think of that
[18:12:19] <zeeshan> thats a good idea
[18:12:19] <zeeshan> haha
[18:12:23] <ssi> because you're in canada and your brain is frozen
[18:12:25] <zeeshan> haha
[18:12:55] <zeeshan> looks like ill be making this cylinder from scratch
[18:13:00] <ssi> superfun
[18:13:02] <zeeshan> i got a quote for hard chrome plating
[18:13:04] <_methods> much easier to measure to a jo block than a ball
[18:13:04] <zeeshan> $150
[18:13:04] <zeeshan> not bad
[18:13:15] <zeeshan> how is a joe block going to fit inthere?
[18:13:23] <_methods> nm
[18:14:23] <_methods> lol
[18:14:50] <zeeshan> fak so much to do!
[18:15:04] <ssi> inorite
[18:15:13] <ssi> hopedfully I'll have the plasma table operational by midweek
[18:15:17] <ssi> then it's on to the HNC
[18:15:22] <zeeshan> you have thc on that?
[18:15:25] <ssi> yuh
[18:15:29] <zeeshan> fancy
[18:15:31] <zeeshan> you build the frame?
[18:15:34] <ssi> yuh
[18:15:37] <zeeshan> nice
[18:15:46] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-aodrIIIAAxIZv.jpg:large
[18:15:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cylinders-Valves-UFC-2100-Hydraulic-Actuator-/161050910891 this might work
[18:16:34] <zeeshan> nice ssi
[18:16:47] <zeeshan> i like your enclosure
[18:16:48] <zeeshan> haha
[18:16:51] <ssi> :D
[18:16:52] <_methods> one of our customers just got one of those sabre plasma tables
[18:16:55] <ssi> I made that saturday
[18:16:58] <zeeshan> is that a g540 i see?
[18:17:00] <ssi> yeah
[18:17:01] <_methods> he said i could go down there and copy it
[18:17:06] <_methods> plasma/router table
[18:17:08] <ssi> that machine is the very first one I built
[18:17:09] <zeeshan> i see some mesa hardware too
[18:17:13] <ssi> it originally was G540 and mach
[18:17:18] <zeeshan> MACH
[18:17:19] <ssi> and a candcnc thc
[18:17:27] <ssi> yeah mach because of the thc
[18:17:40] <zeeshan> write a userspace comp
[18:17:41] <zeeshan> :p
[18:17:44] <ssi> then I redid it with 5i25 and mesa thcad
[18:17:57] <ssi> and a mesa io breakout for limits and io
[18:17:58] <_methods> that sabre is a decent built machine
[18:18:00] <zeeshan> whats that big ass green thing
[18:18:01] <ssi> and ohmic sensing
[18:18:03] <zeeshan> that monitor is sitting on
[18:18:10] <ssi> it's a diacro VT-19 NC punch press :D
[18:18:14] <ssi> well, the control cabinet for it
[18:18:21] <zeeshan> you has a punch press
[18:18:22] <zeeshan> wtF
[18:18:29] <ssi> it's not technically mine
[18:19:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cylval.com/bore-cylinder-2100-series-universal-front-mount-p-255-l-en.html
[18:19:36] <zeeshan> apt
[18:19:37] <zeeshan> capt
[18:19:42] <zeeshan> i need to put all that wedge action shit inthere
[18:20:07] <zeeshan> also i'd like to get some experience in building this sort of stuff
[18:20:08] <zeeshan> never done it before
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[18:23:57] <marmite> miss0r|shop: kinda but with some energi stuffs
[18:24:39] <membiblio> Good Afternoon.
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[18:25:50] <_methods> hello
[18:26:48] <membiblio> I have a Routech 250 that I would like to run with LinuxCNC and am looking for information to accomplish this.
[18:28:19] <membiblio> The Routech 250 contains a num1040W that I will probably rip out and many Yaskawa Servopack SGDB-20VD and 15VD that operate on a rs485 bus and a couple of Frenic5000G9S for running the bits.
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[18:29:24] <membiblio> How do I tell LinuxCNC to control one of the ServoPack Xvd's over the 485 bus?
[18:29:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UEaiefYhA 3D printed dishwasher - Not
[18:31:42] <Rab> Design students should be flogged!
[18:33:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150220-an-all-in-one-cnc-3d-printing-and-laser-engraving-machine-launches-on-kickstarter.html ok now people are just taking Chinese routers and making kickstarter projects with them
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[18:35:18] <Rab> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/the-make-anything-piranha-fx-launches-on-kickstarter-4.jpg
[18:35:31] <pcw_home> Pretty sure those Yaskawa drives do step/dir and probably analog velocity mode
[18:35:33] <Rab> nice work surface
[18:35:52] <zeeshan> lol
[18:36:04] <CaptHindsight> thats industrial cardboard
[18:36:27] <_methods> make anything...........as long as it's plastic or plywood lol
[18:36:43] <CaptHindsight> anyone recognize the software used?
[18:37:00] <_methods> that looks like some 3d printer trash on the laptop
[18:37:39] <CaptHindsight> lets do a Linuxcnc kickstarter and use the profits for a big party
[18:37:45] <_methods> hahaha
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[18:38:03] <CaptHindsight> or fund RTAI, premmt_rt etc
[18:38:37] <CaptHindsight> $3k with all the options
[18:38:37] <_methods> that is so genius, take off the shelf cheap engraver and create kickstarter
[18:39:03] <_methods> just add paint
[18:39:13] <CaptHindsight> maybe he takes them like I did and has them anodized
[18:39:15] <_methods> and seemingly catchy name
[18:39:25] <CaptHindsight> is that one painted?!
[18:39:30] <_methods> no idea
[18:39:47] <_methods> tiger make anything machine
[18:39:57] <_methods> tiger DX2000
[18:40:23] <CaptHindsight> lets see what his BOM is...
[18:40:25] <Rab> The gantry looks like black plastic. I hope the bed is anodized, not painted.
[18:40:26] <_methods> and it's big brother the king cobra dx300000
[18:41:43] <_methods> freed from teh slave markets of china to unleash your filament fetish fantasies upon the world
[18:41:52] <CaptHindsight> 3-axis stage $500, router $100, Laser $100, probe $50, controller $200 max = ~$1K
[18:42:16] <CaptHindsight> oh forgot the extruder $50
[18:42:23] <_methods> you can't forget that
[18:42:30] <_methods> that's the most important part
[18:42:30] <Rab> "Whether you want to carve in wood, aluminum, soft metal or plastic"
[18:42:48] <Rab> ...Lead?
[18:42:52] <CaptHindsight> butter, cheese, chocolate etc
[18:42:56] <_methods> hahah
[18:43:13] <_methods> use the glittery lead dust for other arts and craft projects
[18:43:22] <_methods> or just eat it
[18:43:32] <CaptHindsight> not a bad project since he makes >100% profit
[18:43:54] <CaptHindsight> for doing not much more than bundling the parts in one box/kit
[18:44:31] <CaptHindsight> for $100 more it could be 2x the size
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[18:45:45] <CaptHindsight> looks like the t-slot was anodized and then cut since the ends are not finished
[18:46:09] <Rab> They show a bigger one in the background of one pic.
[18:46:32] <CaptHindsight> http://shop.nextwaveautomation.com/shop/ the co behind it
[18:47:18] <CaptHindsight> software http://shop.nextwaveautomation.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=3
[18:48:05] <CaptHindsight> they sell plugins separately for dovetails and hole patterns
[18:52:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc with controller for $1k
[18:53:29] <CaptHindsight> just needs laser, touch probe and extruder
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[19:01:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/touch-and-tool-probe-quarter-inch-shaft $135 touch probe
[19:02:57] <unfy> interesting
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[19:09:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Good-cooling-1W-808nm-IR-laser-module-focusable-burning-Laser-/231254129898 1W 808nm laser $100
[19:09:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusable-Adjustable-2-4W-2400mW-808nm-810nm-IR-Infrared-Laser-Diode-Module-LD-/110887329735 2.4W for ~$200
[19:10:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GT8S-Extruder-Nema-17-Stepper-Motor-Metal-J-head-hotend-Prusa-Mendel-3D-printer-/201293607731 $50 extruder and nozzle
[19:12:46] <PetefromTn_> LOL I can't tell if you are mockin' him or supporting him hehe.... Looks like just another chinese CNC router to me man.
[19:12:53] <Rab> "$51.00 Reserve not met"...looks more like $150 for that extruder.
[19:13:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Geeetech-Dual-head-Metal-Aluminum-extruder-Hotend-V2-0-0-3mm-nozzle-Reprap-3D-/281539573158 $100 for a dual
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[19:13:59] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I am putting together a competing and superior product
[19:14:00] <PetefromTn_> what would you use a dual one for? I know shit about 3d printing...
[19:14:24] <CaptHindsight> two different filament types
[19:14:26] <renesis> prob to not have to change out filaments
[19:14:36] <PetefromTn_> then It's probably NOT the best idea to send traffic to the competitions websites LOL..
[19:15:56] <PetefromTn_> before long everyone and their brothers cousin will have a little POS chinese CNC router in the kitchen hehe. Printing all manner of stupid shit it's a revolution!!
[19:17:22] <Rab> If you order the china stuff, wait for the slow boat, test that it's working, then box it up and send it to domestic buyers, I'd say that you might legitimately be doubling the value to a lot of people. ;)
[19:18:00] <CaptHindsight> Rab: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/ stocks most of it near me
[19:18:11] <CaptHindsight> I should help him bundle this stuff
[19:19:32] <Rab> They might have a pretty large QC reject bin, could be gold.
[19:20:00] <CaptHindsight> he doesn't have a machine shop
[19:20:31] <CaptHindsight> the labor to rebuild them is more than the cost of the machines
[19:20:37] <PetefromTn_> I would be curious to see what your version of it looks like Captain. I am sure it will be better as from what I hear of these chinese ones that would not be hard to do...
[19:20:44] <CaptHindsight> well unless we find a trainable monkey
[19:21:13] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did you see my chinese table rebuild?
[19:21:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw a photo or two sounded like a complete teardown and redesign no?
[19:21:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[19:22:02] <CaptHindsight> they just don't bother fixing the ballscrews
[19:22:07] <PetefromTn_> I must say that the guys videos are quite polished.
[19:22:24] <PetefromTn_> He almost had me sold LOL
[19:22:27] <CaptHindsight> and they don't mind using "red oxide" treated fasteners
[19:22:56] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am doing it wrong....
[19:23:10] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to buy some chinese junk and fix it up and resell it here..
[19:23:33] <PetefromTn_> Lord knows I have enough trouble finding customers as it is hehe
[19:24:09] <CaptHindsight> looks like bundling it all in one box is the way to go
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[19:24:34] <PetefromTn_> It slices, it Dices, It Juliennes!!
[19:24:48] <CaptHindsight> include that $40 Intel box with Linuxcnc installed
[19:25:33] <CaptHindsight> and $60 19" LCD
[19:26:45] <Connor> CaptHindsight: I didn't see it.
[19:27:04] <CaptHindsight> Connor: what didn't you see?
[19:27:19] <Connor> (02:21:13 PM) CaptHindsight: PetefromTn_: did you see my chinese table rebuild?
[19:29:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc turn this into ..
[19:30:01] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfx640QhFQt
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[19:30:26] <Connor> So, what all did you do ?
[19:31:12] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfxYmtiVBf6 complete rebuild, there was ~2mm lash on all axis
[19:31:25] <CaptHindsight> ballscrews were not fixed
[19:31:38] <Connor> yea, Was it already black ?
[19:31:48] <CaptHindsight> they cut the screws short so I had to shim them
[19:31:55] <Connor> It looks different than the other one.. different profile on the gantry
[19:31:58] <CaptHindsight> no I anodized most of it as well
[19:33:26] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfyNModSxeR side by side
[19:34:17] <PetefromTn_> how much better would you say is the improved version?
[19:34:32] <CaptHindsight> no measurable lash
[19:34:54] <CaptHindsight> and now square
[19:35:31] <PetefromTn_> what kind of rigidity are you getting from the gantry design? what are you using the machine for?
[19:35:43] <Connor> any pictures of the ballscrew changes ?
[19:35:54] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfz7t5OV7eL before
[19:36:27] <CaptHindsight> you could grab the gantry and slide it ~2mm out of the box
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[19:37:02] <CaptHindsight> the coupling provided some spring pressure axially on the screw
[19:37:09] <LeelooMinai> Was it even worth buying it and modifying instead building from scratch?
[19:37:25] <Connor> They could of at least put 1 set of AC bearings on the far side and used the coupler + stepper motor on the other to support it.. (free floating)
[19:37:27] <CaptHindsight> well it was local and I wanted to see
[19:37:53] <PetefromTn_> Oh so this was an automation direct machine then?
[19:38:15] <CaptHindsight> yes, was a $600 special
[19:38:28] <CaptHindsight> bought a few to try
[19:38:34] <CaptHindsight> all had similar issues
[19:38:53] <LeelooMinai> Maybe that's why it was "special" :)
[19:38:55] <Connor> So, what did you do on the ballscrew side of things ?
[19:39:13] <CaptHindsight> these were the 45cm x 30cm version
[19:39:58] <Connor> CaptHindsight: Was that the WORK envelope, or the footprint ?
[19:40:09] <CaptHindsight> work XY
[19:40:27] <Connor> Damn, that's almost what mine is. Mine is 18x12
[19:40:45] <CaptHindsight> I think the Z is around 4-5 inches
[19:40:53] <Connor> Mine is 4.5
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[19:41:04] <PetefromTn_> funny it looks bigger than that in the pictures.
[19:41:11] <Connor> 18" WIDE x 12" DEEP
[19:41:13] <CaptHindsight> at least the z had a 2mm pitch screw
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[19:41:38] <Connor> Mine is 5mm pitch on Z, 10mm on X/Y
[19:41:39] <CaptHindsight> or was it 10mm XY and 5mm Z
[19:42:02] <Connor> That's probably what it is. that's what I did.
[19:42:18] <Connor> I went with 12mm supported rails though
[19:42:58] <CaptHindsight> still have one left
[19:44:26] <PetefromTn_> BRB...
[19:44:37] <CaptHindsight> the linear bearings were also crunchy
[19:44:51] <CaptHindsight> had to take them apart and clean + relube
[19:45:04] <Connor> Probably all the grit from the factory.
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[19:45:22] <CaptHindsight> yeah, probably a dirt floor or storage area
[19:48:08] <jdh> I just got a tour of our co-located aircraft engine plant
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[19:48:27] <jdh> tons of huge VMCs
[19:48:27] <Connor> co-located ?
[19:48:29] <_methods> sweet
[19:48:41] <_methods> pics?
[19:48:50] <jdh> same property as our plant
[19:49:26] <jdh> making turbines and associated parts
[19:49:56] <jdh> 5 axis milling of huge blade/disc assemblys
[19:50:24] <_methods> AAR?
[19:52:11] <Cromaglious> that's something I really need to do on the Creatorspace.us 3040 machine... rebuild the gantry to get more Z height and more z stroke.
[19:52:28] <_methods> or spirit?
[19:58:50] <_methods> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-tech-20150222-story.html#page=1
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[19:59:01] <_methods> hahah i thought there were no women in the tech industry
[19:59:09] <_methods> how can they be leaving in droves now
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[20:05:44] <_methods> if they would just finally classify the porn industry as the tech industry it is they could even out their male to female ratio
[20:05:50] <ssi> hah
[20:06:19] <_methods> haha win win scenario
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[20:14:00] <ssi> hurry up airplane loan people!
[20:14:04] <ssi> D:
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[20:36:28] <jdh> never borrow money for a hobby
[20:36:58] <jdh> only for housing and world class hookers
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[21:03:26] <Cromaglious> trying to find a specific font is not fun
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[21:12:21] <_methods> no fonts are a nightmare
[21:15:35] <MrSunshine_> to install or on the computer ?
[21:15:57] <_methods> to find
[21:16:15] <MrSunshine_> http://www.1001fonts.com/ i find that site quite usefull =)
[21:16:17] <_methods> if you're trying to find a matching font that someone has used and you don't know the font
[21:16:27] <_methods> can be a real nightmare
[21:16:42] <_methods> half the time they don't even know the font they used
[21:16:47] <_methods> and all they have now is a jpg
[21:17:14] <MrSunshine_> https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
[21:17:25] <MrSunshine_> etc
[21:17:56] <_methods> hah cool
[21:18:20] <_methods> my god thanks for that
[21:18:22] <_methods> i had no idea
[21:19:53] <MrSunshine_> there is always someone else that has had the same problem and finaly gone bananas on the problem :P
[21:20:00] <_methods> indeed
[21:21:00] <MrSunshine_> like ive done the last days .. i wanted to be able to do waterline stuff in aspire ... so ive been writing lua bindings for opencamlib to be used with a lua script to interface to aspire to be able to make true waterline operations :P
[21:21:20] <MrSunshine_> not done yet but import of stls work and i can get the loops for the toolpaths out of lua atleast =)
[21:21:37] <_methods> yeah you won't find any free cam stuff that does waterline i'm pretty sure
[21:22:31] <MrSunshine_> i think you can do waterline in aspire .. using the roughing toolpath with some cleverness (adding base heights etc to the model) and a small stepdown =)
[21:22:50] <_methods> hehe pseudo pathing lol
[21:23:18] <MrSunshine_> sucks that they havent implemented waterline .. the 3d finnishing toolpath SUCKS at steep angles :/
[21:23:31] <MrSunshine_> works fine on shallow angles etc .. but angles thats like a degree or something it goes bonkers on
[21:23:39] <_methods> most cam packages have issues with steep angles
[21:23:48] <MrSunshine_> waterline methods should not have
[21:23:49] <_methods> real pain getting it set just right to deal with them
[21:24:00] <_methods> getting cut off angles set just right
[21:24:12] <_methods> and step downs
[21:25:01] <MrSunshine_> but "drop" cutting doesnt work nicley with steep angles
[21:25:22] <MrSunshine_> i think waterline would be the pathing strategy
[21:26:54] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> You around?
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[21:27:15] <PCW> Yeah
[21:27:34] <moska1> hello
[21:27:39] <Nick001-shop> How do I get the firmware for 5i25 and 7i76
[21:28:37] <Jymmm> Send $10,000 USD to....
[21:29:16] <Nick001-shop> will you take Confederacy money
[21:29:35] <Jymmm> Thus why I said USD
[21:29:53] <Jymmm> Or your weight in gold
[21:30:11] <Nick001-shop> Confederacy was the US to some folks
[21:30:59] <Jymmm> Uh huh
[21:31:27] <_methods> the war of northern aggression as they like to call it down here
[21:31:46] <_methods> they're still kinda butt hurt about it too
[21:32:02] <cradek> the war that wasn't at all about slavery
[21:32:10] <moska1> PCW: you can give a recommendation to a servo drive
[21:32:11] <cradek> I thought they always called themselves the CSA
[21:32:15] <moska1> I want to buy a
[21:32:27] <_methods> yeah csa
[21:34:07] <PCW> Nick001-shop: if you got a 5i25 with a 7I76 it should have the correct firmware
[21:34:59] <moska1> 5i25+7i77
[21:36:29] <Nick001-shop> I'm not seeing it in stepcfg or package manager. The highest I see is 5i23
[21:38:42] <Nick001-shop> Or is it on the 5i25 itself and how do I load it?
[21:39:14] <micges> you must flash 5i25 with proper firmware
[21:39:26] <micges> find packet mesaflash
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[21:42:40] <Nick001-shop> Keyboard hell - found it and installing it
[21:43:36] <Nick001-shop> I have to dl the file in support software? And then what?
[21:43:46] <micges> download zip file for it
[21:44:26] <micges> extract it and interesting bit file is in config/hostmot2/5i25_7i76x2.bit
[21:44:46] <Nick001-shop> did it on the win computer.
[21:45:02] <micges> then: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --write path/to/that/bitfile
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[21:45:11] <micges> and power cycle pc
[21:46:37] <Deejay> gn8
[21:47:01] <moska1> can someone give a recommendation to a servo drive
[21:47:12] <moska1> please
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[21:49:21] <Nick001-shop> Do I put the whole 5i25 dir on the stick and put the path to stick/configs/hostmot2
[21:49:22] <PetefromTn_> servos and drives are very specific to each other. It would be nearly impossible for someone to give you a recommendation to a servo drive without knowing a lot more about your system unless they just don't care about how it works for you hehe
[21:52:03] <micges> Nick001-shop: you can
[21:53:01] <micges> moska1: what do you need them for?
[21:53:27] <Nick001-shop> OK _ linix is still installing software from that command. It somehow picked up language packs
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[21:55:18] <Nick001-shop> Linux
[22:02:36] <moska1> servo control
[22:03:09] <moska1> i have one very old parker
[22:03:43] <moska1> will change
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[22:05:35] <moska1> oooooo ok
[22:07:26] <Nick001-shop> what is the path to a dir in desktop?
[22:07:51] <Jymmm> ~/Desktop/blah ?
[22:08:43] <Rab> moska1, what type of servos and encoders do you have?
[22:10:04] <moska1> the encoder is inside motor
[22:10:13] <Nick001-shop> not working -board not found
[22:10:25] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sgjbKMCxH0i
[22:11:03] <moska1> i have 50 V DC
[22:11:20] <moska1> for the drive
[22:12:20] <Rab> moska1, do you know what type of encoder output? Quadrature, resolver, etc?
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[22:15:36] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sglNEChLN4y
[22:16:13] <Rab> Great, do you know the model or specs of the motors?
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[22:16:31] <moska1> mom
[22:17:13] <Rab> dad?
[22:18:31] <moska1> momend
[22:18:40] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sgmKEm6SrHd
[22:18:48] <moska1> :)
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[22:19:30] <moska1> i havo nothing found about
[22:19:49] <moska1> the motors
[22:21:04] <moska1> the encoder works with 5i25 and 7i77
[22:22:35] <moska1> but the old parker drive not really
[22:25:00] <moska1> I think change
[22:25:19] <moska1> the parker
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[22:25:35] <Rab> What's the model # of the Parker drive?
[22:26:27] <moska1> HFC / AX drive
[22:28:30] <moska1> http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/9nxrvW8q/file.html
[22:29:21] <moska1> this is only what I found
[22:32:09] <Rab> moska1, Advanced Motion Controls BE25A20 might be a reasonable workalike.
[22:32:25] <Rab> http://www.a-m-c.com/products/drives.html
[22:32:46] <Rab> I don't think that's a current production model, but you can pick it up on eBay for cheap.
[22:33:16] <Rab> If you want new drives, use AMC's site.
[22:35:13] <Rab> The Parker drive supports 24-100VDC 12A (24A max), BE25A20 is 40-190VDC 12.5A (25A max)...should be fine with motor voltage of 50V.
[22:35:15] <moska1> AMC ????
[22:35:25] <micges> Nick001-shop: does lspci show mesa board?
[22:36:09] <Rab> moska1, AMC = Advanced Motion Controls = www.a-m-c.com
[22:36:37] <moska1> sorry
[22:36:59] <moska1> my head smoked
[22:37:52] <Simonious> Is anyone able to tell me how CAMBAM stacks up vs VCARVEPro?
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[22:40:01] <moska1> and thats works with 7i77
[22:41:41] <moska1> yes thanks
[22:42:07] <moska1> give me some light
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[22:46:05] <moska1> my encoder have 3 channel
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[22:59:09] <Nick001-shop> <micges> lspci shows it as the last card Device 2718:5i25. Got into the 5i25 manual and it has some into to try out. Back to the Linux box -)
[23:01:21] <Cromaglious> oh boi... I emailed a ebay seller about a bluetooth OBD2 cartridge they wave to see if it will work on my car using J1650 VPW protocol and they offer me a full refund
[23:01:38] <Cromaglious> I should have gotten the refund for something I haven't bought yet
[23:01:48] <JT-Shop> yea, the mail finally ran today
[23:01:54] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, steppers are in
[23:02:10] <Cromaglious> I got my live center today as well :)
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[23:16:27] <furrywolf> argh, bbl
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[23:41:24] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yay!
[23:43:05] <JT-Shop> yea, just got to wire them up and get the nerve to connect 24v to the ramps
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[23:43:44] <JT-Shop> crap 40% chance of snow tonight
[23:44:19] <JT-Shop> next two days are sunny and above freezing... there may be hope
[23:44:59] <JT-Shop> still waiting on a UPS shipment
[23:45:06] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:45:09] <Tom_itx> it's just 24v
[23:45:20] <Tom_itx> not like it's 3phase mains
[23:45:41] <JT-Shop> 3phase mains are no problem, I understand them
[23:45:45] <Tom_itx> hah
[23:45:58] <JT-Shop> I don't understand all I don't know about the ramps yet
[23:47:08] <Tom_itx> there pretty straighforward i think
[23:51:53] <JT-Shop> I need to get some communications going on this computer (Wheezy) to do some testing. I have to cut the baud rate in half to use linux :(
[23:52:18] <JT-Shop> can you believe windoze is better at USB?
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[23:54:44] <_methods> doesn't debian just have an iso? their website has like 3 dvd's?
[23:55:22] <_methods> nm found install image
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