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[00:00:18] <evil_ren> by data do you mean analog data
[00:00:21] <zeeshan> yes
[00:00:58] <evil_ren> logic analyzer doesnt really do that
[00:01:21] <zeeshan> well it says
[00:01:27] <zeeshan> "analog sample rates 10MS/s"
[00:01:29] <evil_ren> some have a time domain scope display function, but its usually not their focus
[00:01:33] <zeeshan> 8 analog input
[00:02:08] <evil_ren> yeah then it should do it, i would try the software to make sure the time domain functionality does what you need
[00:02:32] <zeeshan> it looks like they release their api / sdk
[00:02:38] <zeeshan> so you can customize it
[00:02:54] <zeeshan> Saleae provides an SDK for the development of custom protocol analyzer plugins, an SDK for directly accessing data from Logic and Logic16 without the use of our GUI software, and a scripting interface for the Logic software specifically designed to allow third party automation.
[00:02:54] <evil_ren> right but do you want to use a tool or develop and debug a tool
[00:03:07] <zeeshan> well i just need something that can aquire the data reliably
[00:03:15] <zeeshan> and pass it into another software that already is setup for analysis
[00:03:45] <zeeshan> if i have a bunch of voltage data
[00:03:52] <evil_ren> so i would see if the software can export the analog data in a format you can use
[00:04:07] <zeeshan> i should be able to convert it to strain
[00:04:08] <evil_ren> prob does, usually they at least do csv
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[00:09:51] <_methods> sigrok
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[00:11:47] <evil_ren> _methods: this is open software for all the aquisition things?
[00:13:36] <_methods> yeah
[00:13:48] <_methods> open source and works with just about any hardware
[00:14:14] <_methods> http://sigrok.org/
[00:14:36] <_methods> http://sigrok.org/wiki/Category:Device
[00:14:43] <_methods> compatible hardware list
[00:15:04] <evil_ren> i been looking at the supported hw page for like 5 minutes im still not at the bottom, fuuuu
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[00:16:03] <evil_ren> http://sigrok.org/wiki/National_Instruments_GPIB-ENET
[00:16:25] <evil_ren> i would trip if i could do pc aquisition with my 80s tek vector graphics dso
[00:16:52] <evil_ren> still my fav scope =\
[00:17:40] <unfy> having worked with some cro's and dso's.... i dunno. i think i prefer dso's.
[00:17:50] <unfy> haven't tried a pc based dso though.
[00:17:50] <_methods> my uncle worked at tektronix for like 30 years
[00:18:02] <_methods> i should have gotten free scopes from him lol
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[00:22:02] <MacGalempsy> when going through the PVCP tutorial, does linuxcnc need to be running in the background?
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[00:34:45] <PetefromTn_> Wow man my truck is a complete and total Ice Berg....
[00:36:03] <_methods> florida calling
[00:36:24] <PetefromTn_> Florida SCREAMING!!
[00:36:54] <PetefromTn_> I even got some spray that is supposed to melt the ice from the windows and whatnot and I cannot even scrape that shit off...
[00:36:57] <_methods> good buddy of mine lives in port richey i need to get down there and visit one of these days
[00:37:15] <PetefromTn_> my whole hood and front fenders are encased in ice..
[00:37:29] <PetefromTn_> I managed to chip away around my windshiled wipers
[00:37:42] <PetefromTn_> but when I turned them on they got stuck in the straight up position...
[00:39:35] <PetefromTn_> I could not even roll down the back window to load the damn groceries LOL
[00:40:13] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: once you get it cleaned off, after you are done for the day put a piece of cardboard over the windshield
[00:40:36] <PetefromTn_> what does that do?
[00:41:06] <PetefromTn_> honestly I doubt I will get it off really I have never seen ice so hard stuck on something...
[00:42:10] <PetefromTn_> We are supposed to get down to 3 degrees tonight and tomorrow is more snow and ice so really unless I plan to roll it in the shop and use my heat gun to melt the whole damn truck I think I am gonna have to live with it for the time being LOL...
[00:42:24] <_methods> haha hair dryer
[00:42:58] <MacGalempsy> that allows you to pull off an icy piece of cardboard instead of scraping ice
[00:43:30] <PetefromTn_> my luck it will stick the cardboard to the windshield and become permanently fused heh
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[00:44:22] <MacGalempsy> haha. you could tarp the truck
[00:44:56] <PetefromTn_> well this is what you give up I guess to have a shop full of machines.... I can deal!
[00:45:28] <_methods> if that's the price, then let it be so
[00:45:30] <_methods> lol
[00:46:13] <PetefromTn_> well unless I can figure out how to put a 7k lb machining center on roller skates and move it in and out it is haha
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[00:49:18] <_methods> hah
[00:49:38] <_methods> you got a cnc mill make you some giant roller skates lol
[00:50:11] <PetefromTn_> when we moved it in we used some and it scared the crap out of me several times actually...
[00:51:43] <MacGalempsy> I would like to see the roller skate lift
[00:54:27] <_methods> moving machines is the most stressful thing in the world i think
[00:55:10] <_methods> riggers always amaze me
[00:55:16] <MacGalempsy> my VMC is about 800lbs, so relatively light, but still had to get a $800 lift to move it from the old house to the new
[00:55:21] <_methods> they must all take like bottles of xanax every day
[00:55:54] <MacGalempsy> isnt xanax an antidepresant sedative?
[00:56:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah I moved this machine myself and my wife and I had eyeballs like pie plates a couple times when it did not quite do what we expected LOL..
[00:57:46] <MacGalempsy> lol
[00:58:06] <MacGalempsy> adrenaline rushes from near death experiences make great sex
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[00:59:08] <_methods> then comes the expensive part everyone forgets about
[00:59:16] <_methods> wiring it all up and running air to it all
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[00:59:38] <_methods> no one ever factors in all that dumb stuff
[00:59:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah after moving this beast that was the last thing on our minds LOL.. I swear at one point I when we were jacking it back down onto cribbage blocks to get it off the skates and onto its pod pads it did a little short pirouette on us and I was between it and the wall I thought I was fucked there for a minute. Luckily it only had to go down 3/4 inch or so..
[01:01:01] <_methods> yea moving machines is always a good sphincter work out
[01:01:44] <PetefromTn_> yup absolutely.
[01:02:18] <PetefromTn_> I thought moving that 16x80 lathe I used to have was a pucker factor but this was another story altogether...
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[01:02:31] <_methods> yeah man
[01:02:39] <PetefromTn_> If we do indeed ever sell our house I will be anteing up for the riggers to take care of that shit...
[01:02:51] <_methods> yeah man they are worth it for sure
[01:02:57] <PetefromTn_> I am getting too old for that shit LOL...
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[01:03:07] <_methods> i wish i took pictures on a few of the moves i've done
[01:03:16] <_methods> but i'm usually so jacked up i forget to take pics
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[01:04:12] <_methods> we got a 2nd mits lvp2015 4kw laser and they had that whole thing like 10' in the air
[01:04:35] <_methods> i was freakin the F out and the wriggers are just like eatin chips and shit
[01:04:57] <_methods> 5'x10' bed laser all in the air
[01:05:08] <_methods> $1,000,000
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[01:10:48] <MacGalempsy> wow scarey
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[01:15:14] <_methods> that's why i like my little x2 minimill
[01:15:21] <_methods> i can pick that thing up and carry it wherever lol
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[01:15:54] <_methods> every time i get jealous about the machines you guys have in here i go move mine from one side of the garage to the other lol
[01:17:16] <ssi> hah
[01:17:27] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: hey fear keeps you young, and colon clean! lol
[01:17:33] <_methods> hahah
[01:17:56] <ssi> PetefromTn_: my move was pretty uneventful overall
[01:18:06] <ssi> aside from writing checks to the trucker and the forklift rental guy :)
[01:18:49] <XXCoder1> salso, _methods in least ya got somethinmg to move lol
[01:19:05] * XXCoder1 really needs frame for his cnc router
[01:19:23] <_methods> hehe
[01:19:40] * _methods is happy he has something.....even if it is little and pathetic
[01:20:18] <ssi> _methods: you still have more cnc mill than I do :)
[01:20:34] <_methods> whatever you got airplanes
[01:20:35] <_methods> lol
[01:20:36] <XXCoder1> use plasma cnc to make onme lol
[01:20:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is the writing checks part that would suck but Oh well...
[01:21:02] <_methods> it's so worth it for riggers
[01:21:03] <ssi> PetefromTn_: well to put it in perspective
[01:21:05] <_methods> they do that shit all day
[01:21:17] <ssi> I paid $850 freight for the cinci from louisville to south atlanta
[01:21:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[01:21:25] <ssi> plus I paid $600 to rent the 12k forklift
[01:21:33] <ssi> I got a quote fromw a rigger to fetch it and set it up
[01:21:36] <ssi> $4600
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[01:22:08] <_methods> well that's a good savings
[01:22:12] <ssi> heck yeah
[01:22:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah I paid $75.00 for the rollback wrecker and another $25.00 for a new pair of jeans because I shit my pants several times moving it..
[01:22:21] <_methods> for a vmc i'd probably wrent the forklift
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[01:22:25] <ssi> even having it moved freight and then having a rigger show up here to unload it was going to be $1800 minimum for teh eunload
[01:22:40] <_methods> but for anything more complicated than a vmc i say rigger
[01:22:44] <witnit_> wrent hehe
[01:23:12] <_methods> hahah
[01:23:17] <_methods> spell check dat
[01:23:25] <witnit_> write on man, do yo thang
[01:23:26] <ssi> yea the vmc is almost 10klb
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[01:23:33] <ssi> that's at the upper end of what I'm willing to deal with on my own
[01:23:35] <_methods> hahahahh
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[01:24:23] <_methods> so what was up with the opensource police in here lookin for andy
[01:24:30] <PetefromTn_> Starting to really like this Coke zero Cherry Flavor...
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[01:25:41] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[01:26:02] <XXCoder1> _methods: andy == zee?
[01:26:10] <_methods> no andypugh
[01:26:22] <_methods> but zeeshan blasted them with some tormach hate lol
[01:26:50] <zeeshan> i dont hate tormach products
[01:26:53] <zeeshan> just hate their retarded advertising
[01:26:58] <zeeshan> "we made this awesome software all on our own"
[01:27:03] <zeeshan> when 90% of the code is based on emc
[01:27:03] <zeeshan> fuckers
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[01:27:11] <PetefromTn_> heh
[01:27:15] <zeeshan> "spent thousands of man hours"
[01:27:23] <zeeshan> what the fuck do you think emc was made in a minute?
[01:27:25] <zeeshan> it took years
[01:27:29] <zeeshan> and it's still improving
[01:27:36] <XXCoder1> thousands of man hours browsing porn
[01:27:40] <XXCoder1> and code porn
[01:27:45] <zeeshan> im gonna download linuxcnc source code
[01:27:46] <zeeshan> and call it
[01:27:50] <zeeshan> MACH 69
[01:28:05] <zeeshan> will you guys buy it
[01:28:22] <jdh> it isn't really for sale is it?
[01:28:23] <witnit_> do we have to pay with money?
[01:28:27] <XXCoder1> nah call it linuxc^HZeeCnc
[01:28:31] <zeeshan> you can send me end mills
[01:28:33] <zeeshan> carbide please!
[01:28:47] <zeeshan> i read through gpl briefly
[01:28:55] <zeeshan> and it looks like theyre breaking the main rule
[01:29:05] <jdh> which is?
[01:29:11] <PetefromTn_> you need to redo linuxCNC like they did and I will send you a bunch of endmills man hehehe
[01:29:12] <witnit_> you should send them a GFY
[01:30:08] <zeeshan> In purely private (or internal) use with no sales and no distribution the software code may be modified and parts reused without requiring the source code to be released. For sales or distribution, the entire source code need to be made available to end users, including any code changes and additions in that case, copyleft is applied to ensure that end users retain the freedoms defined above.[4
[01:30:12] <MacGalempsy> obviously my linuxcnc is at the very basic levels. the current task at hand is to start testing pins, so I did a show pins and got the list. now it is on to testing pins with the pVCP tutorial but running into problems with the very basics
[01:30:26] <zeeshan> copied and pasted
[01:30:49] <jdh> z: they just have to make source available to customers.
[01:31:11] <witnit_> MacGalempsy, its almost always the basics for most of us, just overlooking something small or something you never even knew you needed
[01:31:14] <alex4nder> zeeshan: if you buy tormach, and they ship you 'pathpilot'.. you can ask for source
[01:31:31] <zeeshan> i dont want their shitty conversational program
[01:31:35] <alex4nder> right
[01:31:38] <zeeshan> i just want them to acknowledge the base is emc
[01:31:39] <alex4nder> so if you aren't a customer, it's not a problem
[01:31:39] <PetefromTn_> I do...heh
[01:31:40] <zeeshan> or linuxcnc
[01:31:49] <alex4nder> if you are a customer, you can ask for source, and then publish it
[01:31:52] <alex4nder> they can't stop you
[01:32:07] <MacGalempsy> i dont understand the line halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypandel tiny.xml
[01:32:23] <MacGalempsy> when I typed that into the terminal it came back as an error
[01:32:30] <PetefromTn_> apparently you can buy the program for $7.95 from thier website..
[01:32:39] <witnit_> okay MacGalempsy so what you are doing, is you are telling linuxcnc to make little panel
[01:33:04] <MacGalempsy> right
[01:33:24] <witnit_> can you copy and paste the what you are putting in the command line and what error is being returned?
[01:33:29] <witnit_> sftp://john@192.168.1.21:25000/home/john/shop/quotes/255np.ods
[01:33:32] <witnit_> ooops
[01:33:33] <witnit_> ahhaha
[01:33:39] <witnit_> lemme get a real link
[01:34:01] <witnit_> https://gist.github.com/
[01:34:08] <witnit_> paste to there MacGalempsy
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[01:34:52] <zeeshan> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IWantCredit
[01:35:01] <zeeshan> :D
[01:36:06] <MacGalempsy> ok. im going to keep it up
[01:36:45] <_methods> pete just wants a hello kitty axis gui
[01:36:57] <PetefromTn_> shit..
[01:37:04] <PetefromTn_> I want it all baby!!
[01:37:13] <_methods> hehe
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[01:38:36] <PetefromTn_> honestly after watching that video I posted from NYCCNC showing the new interface it looks really pretty nice and I would love to have something similar on my machine especially the new lathe. I just don't know shit about that sort of thing or I would do it myself heh
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[01:40:58] <_methods> wellll..........i've spent many man hours developing hellokittycnc
[01:41:10] <zeeshan> haha
[01:41:14] <_methods> it has a new kitty trajectory planner
[01:41:19] <PetefromTn_> does it look like that?
[01:41:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: time to learn :P
[01:41:26] <_methods> it has more pink
[01:41:29] <PetefromTn_> I could deal with a little kitty on it if it does..
[01:41:43] <PetefromTn_> hell I could care less if it is pink with purple polka dots..
[01:41:57] <zeeshan> i want mine to have nude chix on it
[01:42:06] <XXCoder1> man hour = one second
[01:42:11] <_methods> damn
[01:42:13] <_methods> valve time
[01:42:15] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I have enough to learn with just getting the machine configured and working
[01:42:18] <XXCoder1> so yeah I spent lots man hours chattng witgh you guys ;)
[01:42:34] <_methods> i'll release half life 3 when i release kittycnc
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[01:42:51] <_methods> omg
[01:42:57] <_methods> exploding kittehcnc
[01:43:00] <_methods> with the oatmeal
[01:43:02] <ssi> lol
[01:43:02] <XXCoder1> whooo
[01:43:04] <witnit_> do it
[01:43:10] <XXCoder1> gui drawn by theoatmeal!
[01:43:17] <PetefromTn_> You'll freakin' make MILLIONS!!
[01:43:21] <_methods> i'll take my $8mill now thanx
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[01:43:52] <PetefromTn_> frackin' amazes me some of the bullshit that gets people's money....
[01:44:15] <_methods> esploding kittehs is impotant
[01:44:35] <XXCoder1> and important too lol
[01:45:04] <PetefromTn_> esplodin' kittays!!
[01:45:14] <ssi> _methods: that reminds me
[01:45:17] <ssi> I wanted to back the kickstarter
[01:45:20] <ssi> I almost missed it
[01:45:37] <XXCoder1> 14 minutes everyone
[01:45:37] <_methods> hahah throw some more money in the oatmeal lottery
[01:45:40] <XXCoder1> hurry
[01:45:50] <PetefromTn_> 14 minutes to what?
[01:45:57] <XXCoder1> end of kitten kickstarter
[01:46:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh thank God...
[01:46:09] <XXCoder1> if you want that special full nfsw
[01:46:11] <ssi> it says right on the front page
[01:46:22] <ssi> "A card game for people who are into kittens and explosions
[01:46:25] <ssi> and laser beams"
[01:46:29] <ssi> that's pretty much me
[01:46:39] <PetefromTn_> on therir frickin' foreheads?
[01:46:41] <ssi> and sometimes goats
[01:47:19] <_methods> ssi burnt down his house playin a leaked beta version
[01:47:23] <ssi> :D
[01:47:27] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[01:47:28] <XXCoder1> lol
[01:47:51] <_methods> they had to go back to the drawing board lol
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[01:52:08] <ssi> you know what the amazing part of this is?
[01:52:22] <ssi> kickstarter gets $40k out of it, and amazon payments gets another ~40k
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[01:52:35] <XXCoder1> wow
[01:52:43] <XXCoder1> backer count is REALLY ticking up now
[01:52:47] <_methods> i thought they got %5
[01:52:47] <XXCoder1> 7 min
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[01:53:06] <XXCoder1> 17 new backers in 10 second
[01:53:12] <ssi> was I off by an order of magnitude?
[01:53:13] <ssi> haha
[01:53:24] <XXCoder1> 30 backers in 20 seconds
[01:53:24] <ssi> yeah I was
[01:53:26] <ssi> ok lemme restate
[01:53:32] <XXCoder1> thats more than one backer a second
[01:53:34] <ssi> kickstarter gets $437k
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[01:54:22] <ssi> math is hard
[01:54:27] <_methods> just wait till my esplodingkittaycnc comes out
[01:54:32] <ssi> :D
[01:54:35] <XXCoder1> lol
[01:54:56] <XXCoder1> 5 min
[01:55:02] <roycroft> math is the language of reality
[01:55:04] <XXCoder1> over 100 backers gained so far
[01:55:19] <roycroft> if you can't speak math you can't comprehend the real world
[01:55:25] <roycroft> so have a bong and relax :)
[01:55:29] <ssi> comprehending the real world is hardi
[01:55:40] <ssi> look at my hands... have you ever really LOOKED at your hands?
[01:56:51] <XXCoder1> yet anohter 100 new backers
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[01:57:01] <PetefromTn_> Watchin' Wicked Tuna....
[01:57:07] <XXCoder1> just insane.
[01:57:29] <XXCoder1> 2 min left
[01:57:32] <PetefromTn_> What's insane is how much money those assholes get for a fish...
[01:58:33] <unfy> what on earth are you guys talking about with the KS stuff ?
[01:58:35] <XXCoder1> holy crap
[01:58:41] <XXCoder1> unfy:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/
[01:58:43] <_methods> what's insane is how much they pay to fill their gas tanks to get that fish
[01:58:44] <XXCoder1> last chance lol
[01:58:56] <XXCoder1> 1 min left
[01:58:57] <unfy> lol. no.
[01:59:07] <XXCoder1> hurry hurry hurry hurry lol
[01:59:09] <PetefromTn_> how much could it possibly be it's just freakin' diesel..
[01:59:15] <unfy> while i like the oatmeal, and the concept seems okay. just no.
[01:59:28] <XXCoder1> 30 sec lol
[01:59:54] <PetefromTn_> maybe I should sell my damn machines and buy a boat LOL.
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[02:00:05] <_methods> boats are about as far from fuel efficient as it gets
[02:00:05] <XXCoder1> aaaaand thats it
[02:00:12] <_methods> no mas kitteh
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[02:00:24] <PetefromTn_> I spent most of my life on boats..
[02:00:44] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: if you ever do, sell me a mill for $1 lol
[02:00:45] <_methods> pirate pete
[02:00:55] <PetefromTn_> Aaarrh
[02:00:55] <XXCoder1> I probably would not be able to afford to bring it here lol
[02:01:01] <_methods> hahah
[02:01:20] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[02:01:24] <zeeshan> what do you guys think of the layout
[02:01:25] <unfy> in regards to kittehs - awesome sauce for the monis
[02:01:26] <zeeshan> none of the links working
[02:01:30] <zeeshan> decided to keep it simple
[02:01:35] <XXCoder1> backer # still increasing
[02:01:47] <XXCoder1> I guess its because they clicked before close
[02:02:12] <XXCoder1> finally end
[02:02:21] <unfy> static width is a bet meh. it could use a document title. otherwise.... sure
[02:02:30] <zeeshan> haha
[02:02:33] <zeeshan> untitled document
[02:02:34] <zeeshan> DOH
[02:02:43] <unfy> i usually prefer simple / elegant pages
[02:02:55] <zeeshan> i didnt use any fancy effects
[02:02:57] <zeeshan> other that hover
[02:03:12] <zeeshan> i need to figure out a way
[02:03:15] <zeeshan> how to oragnize images
[02:03:19] <zeeshan> like if im on my projects page
[02:03:24] <zeeshan> talking about upgrading the lubrication system
[02:03:27] <zeeshan> theres like 10 images
[02:03:32] <unfy> i used to do old school ansi looking boxes and drop shadows faked via html tables back in the html3 days...
[02:03:37] <zeeshan> i dont wanna dump them all in one page
[02:03:39] <unfy> simplicity ftw
[02:03:46] <zeeshan> and i also dont wanna sit there making a thumbnail for each one
[02:03:54] <zeeshan> theres gotta be an easier way? :D
[02:03:59] <_methods> i use koken
[02:04:31] <unfy> i use pmwiki for everything these days
[02:04:32] <_methods> koken for images
[02:04:32] * zeeshan needs to learn to use dreamweaver
[02:04:36] <evil_ren> heh @ html table shadows
[02:04:39] <zeeshan> http://www.adobe.com/inspire/2012/10/ten-steps-dreamweaver-cs6.html
[02:04:40] <_methods> dreamweaver lol
[02:04:43] <_methods> don't even go there
[02:04:49] <zeeshan> thats what im using to make this site
[02:04:54] <evil_ren> prob better off just installing a cms and editing a theme you like
[02:05:00] <zeeshan> no
[02:05:01] <zeeshan> !
[02:05:06] <_methods> pelican
[02:05:08] <evil_ren> eh?
[02:05:11] <Tom_itx> damn i hate messin with bulky wires in tight spaces
[02:05:14] <zeeshan> the problem with themes is i dont wanna spend time learning shit
[02:05:15] <_methods> like a bawse
[02:05:28] <zeeshan> if i do it from scratch i know where everything is
[02:05:40] <zeeshan> like those php scripts that setup a photo gallery drive me insane :(
[02:05:51] <Tom_itx> heh
[02:05:56] <evil_ren> dreamweaver producer nasty ass code, wysiwyg is hardly 'from scratch'
[02:06:01] <_methods> yeah
[02:06:12] <_methods> better off using kompozer
[02:06:32] <evil_ren> if youre not blocking out in like, photoshop, and writing text code, its not from scratch
[02:06:42] <MacGalempsy> witnit_:
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/187e6aeeb8e122c2fcb9
[02:06:54] <evil_ren> its like microsoft word for webpages
[02:06:57] <_methods> but if you don't have a site already use octopress/pelican/bootstrap
[02:07:12] <evil_ren> you wouldnt code c++ in microsoft word, even though technically its a text editor
[02:07:13] <zeeshan> i didnt say write code by scratch.
[02:07:23] <zeeshan> take it easy
[02:07:25] <zeeshan> its just a webpage
[02:07:29] <zeeshan> not a cnc controller
[02:07:31] <zeeshan> :)
[02:07:47] <_methods> heheh say that in a few years when you have piles of shit in there
[02:07:50] <_methods> and you have to migrate it
[02:07:50] <evil_ren> okay i will try and be less concerned (?)
[02:08:30] <zeeshan> renesis: it'd mean the world to me
[02:08:32] <zeeshan> if you cared less :D
[02:08:33] <evil_ren> if its not your full time job and you want a site with like, functionality, easier to just CMS and edit themes
[02:08:53] <zeeshan> i asked how to setup a gallery
[02:09:10] <zeeshan> then mentioned i use dreamweaver
[02:09:23] <evil_ren> with a gallery module for your cms
[02:09:41] <evil_ren> do you want to dreamwaver everytime you want to add photos?
[02:10:04] <evil_ren> or do you want to like, click browse, edit description, done
[02:11:06] <evil_ren> dreamwaver is like, its 2001 and its my job to do websites but i dont know hot to html
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[02:12:37] <evil_ren> http://www.zenphoto.org/
[02:12:50] <witnit_> MacGalempsy, open your terminal and go to the folder //home/aaron/linuxcnc/pVCP-test/tiny.xml
[02:12:55] <evil_ren> that didnt suck like 8 years ago, prob even better now
[02:13:04] <MacGalempsy> ok
[02:13:13] <witnit_> when you are in the folder that has tiny.xml try the same command
[02:13:20] <witnit_> but just type tiny.xml at the end
[02:13:33] <_methods> piwigo is nice too
[02:13:37] <evil_ren> this was pretty popular
http://galleryproject.org/
[02:14:00] <zeeshan> honestly
[02:14:08] <zeeshan> theres too much crap going on in those :P
[02:15:16] <_methods> yeah you probably need to stick with something simple
[02:15:59] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0e9kfgJ6s
[02:16:02] <zeeshan> trying to follow this
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[02:17:45] <PetefromTn_> What I don't get is who the hell pays more than $18.00 a lb for tuna?
[02:17:55] <_methods> japan?
[02:18:02] <_methods> sushi shops?
[02:18:35] <PetefromTn_> I guess... they are selling the tuna for that much to the docks so what the hell are they getting for it to the suppliers... its just insane
[02:18:57] <_methods> people pay big money for sushi
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[02:19:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am one of em but I don't like the tuna actually...
[02:19:29] <PetefromTn_> I love a good grilled tuna steak tho..
[02:19:33] <_methods> yeah
[02:19:40] <evil_ren> zeeshan: right, which is why i think you should find a simple cms with either a simple galley plugin or quick editing which allows posting images
[02:20:07] <_methods> evil_ren: some lessons can only be learned one way........with copious pain
[02:20:13] <evil_ren> like, youre effectively using dreamwaver to make some sort of custom proprietary cms
[02:20:25] <_methods> it's a static site
[02:20:57] <evil_ren> its zee, there will probably be lots of galleries happening
[02:21:12] <_methods> not with dreamweaver lol
[02:21:32] <evil_ren> well he will just good at tiling images with dreamwaver
[02:21:36] <evil_ren> weaver
[02:21:57] <jdh> I had tuna sushi tonight, it was great
[02:22:07] <evil_ren> seriously by now there has to be some sort of image upload form gallery wizard plugin
[02:22:09] <jdh> but, not fatty bluefin tuna
[02:22:10] <_methods> better off just using a static site generator like pelican or octopress
[02:22:24] <evil_ren> octopress sounds neat
[02:22:25] <_methods> they both have gallery plugins
[02:22:33] <evil_ren> i dont know anything about it, but cool name
[02:22:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah I like tuna just not SUSHI tuna...
[02:22:49] <_methods> it's by the guys that made github
[02:23:00] <_methods> it uses ruby though......:(
[02:23:00] <evil_ren> like, static gallery generators, or the generate gallery managers?
[02:23:09] <_methods> so i prefer pelican since it uses python
[02:23:16] <evil_ren> did they make github with it?
[02:23:21] <PetefromTn_> we used to catch a lot of Bonita down in florida.. they sure fight but we just threw them back
[02:23:28] <_methods> no they just made it in support of github
[02:23:35] <_methods> it all uses markup or latex
[02:23:40] <_methods> markdown
[02:23:43] <_methods> lol
[02:23:44] <_methods> markup
[02:23:49] <PetefromTn_> the guy just said they send most of it to Japan...
[02:23:54] <evil_ren> no i mean the github website
[02:24:04] <evil_ren> man im confused now
[02:24:06] <_methods> oh yeah i think they used it for that
[02:24:12] <evil_ren> oh thats cool
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[02:25:08] <_methods> http://octopress.org/
[02:26:21] <_methods> jekyll is what they used for github i think
[02:27:03] <_methods> https://help.github.com/articles/using-jekyll-with-pages/
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[02:28:20] <_methods> jekyll/ocotpress/pelican are all simple static site generators
[02:28:34] <_methods> but if you want a simple easy to migrate site it's the way to go
[02:28:44] <_methods> no databases
[02:29:19] <_methods> you can use database if you want but why
[02:29:49] <_methods> i don't think any of them are SEO friendly though
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[02:42:03] <evil_ren> _methods: jekyll is like, feed page content code and it takes care of headers and footers?
[02:42:45] <_methods> yeah
[02:42:48] <_methods> all ruby
[02:42:58] <_methods> which i'm not a big fan of
[02:42:58] <evil_ren> oh and i guess it has formatting stuff
[02:43:04] <_methods> yeah
[02:43:15] <evil_ren> so its like, keepin all the shit proper and consistent app
[02:43:30] <evil_ren> thats sounds awesome unless it doesnt work
[02:43:34] <_methods> it uses latex or markdown for formatting
[02:43:55] <_methods> probably more i don't know about
[02:44:37] <evil_ren> right i dont know if id ever need it, but it seems like would save the world daily if you had big giant site with user generated sub sites
[02:45:23] <_methods> pretty sure that's why github uses it
[02:45:24] * furrywolf exhausted-wolfy-flops
[02:45:26] <XXCoder1> on this application "carnal knowledge" is a crime that they cannot hire people on
[02:45:29] <XXCoder1> weird
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[02:47:24] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[02:47:35] <XXCoder1> exactly
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[02:48:29] <furrywolf> what are you applying for, exactly?
[02:48:38] <XXCoder1> cnc operator
[02:48:45] <XXCoder1> t same place I work now LOL
[02:48:51] <XXCoder1> only as actual job not intern
[02:49:37] <furrywolf> best guess I can find googling is that they mean rape.
[02:49:47] <XXCoder1> theres rape entry on other point
[02:49:56] <XXCoder1> and children stuff on another
[02:50:01] <XXCoder1> it leaves... regular sex?
[02:50:23] <XXCoder1> dont think theres anyone NOT qulity of that there. except possibly that guy
[02:50:27] <furrywolf> are there lots of children and vulnerable women working your cnc machines? lol
[02:50:34] <XXCoder1> thats the funny thing
[02:50:39] <XXCoder1> nope
[02:50:46] <XXCoder1> women yes but vulnerable hah
[02:51:50] <furrywolf> I've never seen an application, ever, that gave an enumeration of crimes you shouldn't have been convicted of. the most I've ever seen is "if you've been convicted of any felonies, what were they, and are you currently on parole etc?" type things.
[02:52:16] <XXCoder1> they do accept some crimes but some crimes is really a nono
[02:52:32] <XXCoder1> finicial, people related crimes
[02:52:40] <evil_ren> do your applications have the exception for marijuana crimes thing?
[02:52:44] <XXCoder1> they work with training clients
[02:52:48] <evil_ren> maybe thats just a california thing
[02:52:50] <XXCoder1> evil_ren: nope federial company
[02:52:59] <evil_ren> ha
[02:53:03] <XXCoder1> so no pot for me, not that I smoke em
[02:53:42] <evil_ren> last boss knew i smoked, hired me anyway
[02:53:48] <evil_ren> haha wonder if he regrets that
[02:53:55] <furrywolf> do you have some kind of prude or christian for a boss?
[02:53:59] <evil_ren> well, exex boss i guess
[02:54:35] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: possibly.
[02:54:49] <XXCoder1> many I do support, like not employing any sicko
[02:54:55] <evil_ren> possibly just HR there is like that
[02:54:59] <XXCoder1> like rapists and children related crimes
[02:55:22] <XXCoder1> money crimes I suppose makes sense from company view, they run on money after all
[02:55:33] <evil_ren> usually they just ask if a felony, and leave blank for what
[02:55:34] <furrywolf> in theory, once they've served their sentance, they've paid their debt to society and are ready to become productive members of it again.
[02:55:36] <XXCoder1> cardial knowledge yeah no damn idea whgat it means
[02:55:56] <furrywolf> carnal knowledge just means sex, but can be used to mean rape.
[02:55:59] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: some of crimes they list as "ban for 5 years"
[02:56:25] <XXCoder1> none of sex offenses is under 5 years but forever
[02:56:38] <Rab> XXCoder1, "right to work" state?
[02:56:43] <XXCoder1> nah
[02:56:45] <furrywolf> unless the job involves working with children, that's probably illegal.
[02:57:01] <XXCoder1> good thing. "right to fire" more like lol
[02:57:19] <XXCoder1> fur no idea
[02:57:21] <Rab> That's usually how it works.
[02:58:21] <furrywolf> sounds like you have a prude for a manager, who simply read through a (very very old) list of crimes and listed every one. heh.
[02:58:37] <XXCoder1> probably
[02:58:41] <XXCoder1> company is old
[02:58:49] <XXCoder1> so maybe it was NEW when they listed it
[02:58:55] <evil_ren> same photocopied application since 1978
[02:59:06] <XXCoder1> company was formed long while ago
[02:59:50] <Rab> All machines running off the same leather belt, and no carnal knowledge permitted.
[03:00:09] <XXCoder1> lol modern machines thankfully in most cases
[03:00:18] <XXCoder1> most ancient cnc machine is from 80s
[03:00:34] <XXCoder1> and couple mills and lathe from 60s
[03:00:39] <XXCoder1> rest is pretty good
[03:01:52] <XXCoder1> I still remember that 1901 press machine at navair factory
[03:02:01] <XXCoder1> guy said its been running nonstop
[03:02:11] <evil_ren> i dont think pressed have changed very much
[03:02:12] <XXCoder1> besides basic mainatance, it never broke
[03:03:15] <furrywolf> not much to brake...
[03:03:16] <furrywolf> :P
[03:03:22] <furrywolf> (pun intended)
[03:03:33] <XXCoder1> lol
[03:05:03] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: ironically they also has 2010 press that broke once a month
[03:05:14] <XXCoder1> its off into its own room because its sensive
[03:05:20] <furrywolf> chinese?
[03:05:30] <_methods> turkey
[03:05:34] <XXCoder1> probably it was far off cant see
[03:05:48] <XXCoder1> 1901 is damn full of dirt and oil
[03:05:54] <furrywolf> and there's your problem.
[03:05:59] <XXCoder1> it made me feel dirty and oily just looking at it
[03:06:08] <_methods> heheh
[03:06:30] <_methods> is it an obi press? or press brake?
[03:06:45] <XXCoder1> hmm not sure
[03:06:49] <XXCoder1> not familiar with presses
[03:07:08] <_methods> were they bending sheet metal in it?
[03:07:11] <_methods> or stamping out stuff
[03:07:15] <XXCoder1> it just pushes achor into wire
[03:07:24] <XXCoder1> making it one part
[03:07:36] <_methods> probably obi press
[03:07:53] <XXCoder1> I saw cutouts. damn it presses so hard
[03:08:08] <XXCoder1> big machine
[03:08:11] <_methods> i'm surprised they can still use it
[03:08:21] <_methods> osha doesn't like those old presses
[03:08:24] <XXCoder1> its immortal
[03:08:30] <XXCoder1> lol
[03:08:45] <_methods> that immortality comes with payment in mortal body parts
[03:08:46] <XXCoder1> I did read about elio tryng to sell off 2500 ton press
[03:08:58] <XXCoder1> not typo, 2500 ton
[03:09:08] <_methods> yeah that's a big press
[03:09:08] <XXCoder1> 5 million pound press
[03:09:31] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:09:52] <XXCoder1> elio menioned that its off on its own on special fountain and building structure around
[03:10:01] <XXCoder1> so workers dont feel it run lol
[03:11:47] <XXCoder1> http://www.eliomotors.com/the-elio-plant-equipment-11615/
[03:11:48] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: what state are you in?
[03:11:54] <XXCoder1> washington state
[03:13:21] <furrywolf> looks like it translates to statuatory rape of a minor. (not neccessarily forceful rape)
[03:13:35] <XXCoder1> interesting. thanks
[03:14:13] <furrywolf> nothing google finds is newer than the '60s. lol
[03:14:24] <_methods> yeah that's a big stamping press
[03:14:33] <XXCoder1> 2 floor tall
[03:15:20] <_methods> where is this plant?
[03:15:44] <XXCoder1> it says so on page lol
[03:16:05] <furrywolf> there's a 3 floor tall bandsaw at a mill here
[03:16:42] <_methods> i don't see where it says location in wa
[03:16:55] <XXCoder1> _methods: elio? its not at wa
[03:17:04] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: dang
[03:17:11] <XXCoder1> for cutting 2 floor tall parts?
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[03:17:44] <furrywolf> for cutting 2 floor wide trees. :P
[03:18:30] <XXCoder1> fun
[03:18:40] <XXCoder1> I wish we dont depend on trees so much
[03:18:50] <XXCoder1> would love to manage so forests actually grow
[03:18:53] <XXCoder1> like at sweden
[03:19:00] <XXCoder1> they sell LOT wood stuff yet forest grows
[03:19:23] <furrywolf> our forests are growing too
[03:19:28] <XXCoder1> pfft
[03:20:05] <furrywolf> note that I live in an area of really big trees, with pretty much the entire non-native-american history of the area being logging driven.
[03:20:18] <XXCoder1> nice
[03:20:25] <XXCoder1> washington uis halfway in between
[03:20:35] <XXCoder1> half is kept up, grow cut grow cycle
[03:20:44] <XXCoder1> but old forests is being cut once a while
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[03:21:53] <XXCoder1> elio
http://stores.ebay.com/automationrecovery1/
[03:22:03] <XXCoder1> 1.4 million for that press
[03:22:10] <XXCoder1> not even $1 a pound of power LOL
[03:22:38] <furrywolf> I need a small press brake.
[03:22:47] <XXCoder1> they have lots smaller ones
[03:22:50] <XXCoder1> all 150k
[03:22:53] <XXCoder1> $
[03:23:08] <XXCoder1> they have few cnc cam drill
[03:23:29] <XXCoder1> not many cnc and no mills on sale
[03:25:05] <_methods> it would be fun to make a small cnc press brake
[03:25:30] <_methods> i dont' think too many people have done diy cnc press brake
[03:25:40] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:25:52] <XXCoder1> you would need basic brake and some kinda way to move stuff
[03:26:49] <XXCoder1> or maybe just build whole thingn lol
[03:26:53] * furrywolf is exhausted from working too hard, and not being productive tonight. bleh.
[03:27:33] <XXCoder1> "explain why you are interested in this position"
[03:27:36] <XXCoder1> I hate that question
[03:28:22] <jdh> "I think it will better position me to take your job"
[03:28:34] <XXCoder1> "money"
[03:28:47] <XXCoder1> "money. what the fuck else do you think" lol
[03:29:01] <furrywolf> "it strokes my spot just the right way"
[03:29:05] <furrywolf> oh, you mean a job...
[03:30:16] <XXCoder1> lol
[03:30:20] <zeeshan> lol
[03:30:22] <Cromaglious> hmmm cnc pressbrake would be for production type jobs...
[03:31:22] <Cromaglious> or have a touch screen with material, thickness, bend angle and a recent job list to select from
[03:31:35] <furrywolf> I don't know anything about cnc press brakes, but what I'm finding googling shows most of them being only semi-cnc, with a human (or a trained monkey, since it's just following identical steps repeatedly) doing at least some of the part movement.
[03:31:58] <_methods> the backgauges and ram is cnc
[03:32:05] <XXCoder1> work got cnc press and its pretty cool
[03:32:10] <_methods> s/is/are
[03:32:20] <XXCoder1> and damn loud (sure can feel it running when thick sheet)
[03:32:35] <_methods> some cnc brakes are 6 axis though
[03:32:41] <_methods> they can get pretty crazy
[03:33:05] <Cromaglious> I've seen a fully CNC brake on a youtube video of a truck plant in germany
[03:33:08] <XXCoder1> curious if you guys get this
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/6/6/371466_v1.jpg
[03:33:45] <_methods> hehe
[03:33:48] <_methods> 88mph
[03:33:54] <XXCoder1> yep lol
[03:34:16] <Cromaglious> hah delorean.... funky industrial electrical connector...
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[03:37:18] <XXCoder1> lol
http://www.careerswales.com/en/jobs-and-training/job-seeking/vacancy-search/help-apprenticeships-jobs-growth-wales-applications/how-to-complete-the-why-i-am-interested-in-this-vacancy-box/
[03:37:25] <XXCoder1> look at bad examples
[03:37:53] <furrywolf> still only finding machines that require a person to do all the part positioning
[03:38:13] <XXCoder1> hmm theres presses that make holes
[03:38:17] <XXCoder1> and other that bend stuff
[03:38:27] <XXCoder1> I dont think theres any 100% cnc bender
[03:38:48] <XXCoder1> press at work is 100% automatic but it makes holes edges so on, no bending
[03:40:26] <furrywolf> you could make a 100% cnc one with a arm, magnetic or suction end effector, and some machine vision to make sure the part is lined up...
[03:40:59] <furrywolf> printing alignment marks on the part beforehand might make the task a lot easier.
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[03:43:13] <XXCoder1> interesting
http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/02/honey-on-tap/
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[03:43:47] * furrywolf doesn't like honey
[03:44:04] <XXCoder1> honey is one of very few basically immortal food
[03:44:17] <XXCoder1> as long as properly processed then packed
[03:45:16] <furrywolf> and that's supposed to make me like how it tastes?
[03:45:30] <XXCoder1> nah just saying fact about it lol
[03:45:44] <XXCoder1> bee vomit is yummy to me though lol
[03:46:13] <furrywolf> only sugar glop I like is maple syrup.
[03:46:17] <furrywolf> and then only sparingly
[03:46:38] <furrywolf> but when I do use it, I like the grade C bottom-of-the-pot variety, none of that "light amber" crap.
[03:47:07] <XXCoder1> MJaple I like only ones that take minute to get out of container lol
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[03:48:28] <furrywolf> ?
[03:48:42] <XXCoder1> seriously usually like lite versions. regular is too sweet to me
[03:48:56] <XXCoder1> as long as no hfcs
[03:49:53] <furrywolf> eww
[03:50:05] <XXCoder1> lol
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[03:50:14] <seb_kuzminsky> new release y'all!
[03:50:25] <XXCoder1> whats new on it
[03:50:35] <PetefromTn_> You Rock Sebastian LOL
[03:51:03] <seb_kuzminsky> changes in 2.6:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Released_2.6.X
[03:51:09] <XXCoder1> reading now
[03:54:11] <furrywolf> none of those changes say "fix bug where users don't have enough money to afford parts for their machines".
[03:54:33] <zeeshan> nice
[03:55:09] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yay! thanks!
[03:55:32] <seb_kuzminsky> yay! :-)
[03:56:55] <furrywolf> do I just run an apt-get update and upgrade and it'll fetch it? I haven't looked closely at what the cd installed yet.
[03:57:06] <cradek> yep
[03:57:16] <zeeshan> do we have an eta
[03:57:23] <Tom_itx> furrywolf there's a link to instructions there
[03:57:33] <zeeshan> for the new trajectory planner by rob ellenberg
[03:57:36] <zeeshan> coming to a stable release?
[03:57:40] <zeeshan> :D
[03:57:51] <furrywolf> I'll need to fetch the laptop from storage, as there's no internet there.
[03:57:57] <PetefromTn_> so does this have all the Tormach stuff in it hehe ;)
[03:58:16] <furrywolf> how about pcw's ethernet boards? :)
[03:58:44] <Tom_itx> those require preempt -rt iirc
[03:58:51] <Tom_itx> correct me if i'm wrong...
[03:59:02] <Tom_itx> as i'm sure you will :)
[03:59:13] <furrywolf> I did notice I'm picking up a wifi signal at storage... probably one of the houses behind it. I might have to scout it out and ask if I can leech off it.
[04:00:26] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/store/oil_filler_neck/oil_filler_neck.html
[04:00:30] <zeeshan> can someone test drive this
[04:00:34] <zeeshan> if the images open in a lightbox
[04:01:27] <furrywolf> yes, slowly. I hate lightboxes.
[04:01:56] <furrywolf> and your lightbox code breaks firefox's "view image" option, so I can't even get it out of the lightbox easily.
[04:02:53] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: I ould love that bug be fixed lol
[04:04:09] <furrywolf> wouldn't separating pricing and shipping, as done by roughly every other store on the planet, be easier for both you and your customers?
[04:04:11] <zeeshan> im using firefox?
[04:04:22] <zeeshan> no
[04:04:26] <zeeshan> in my expereince , that drives people away
[04:05:39] <furrywolf> ... it does? I avoid buying more than one item from any store that doesn't properly calculate shipping, as I know I'm getting ripped off by paying shipping multiple times, while they'll just pocket the extra.
[04:06:31] <zeeshan> do you buy aftermarket car stuff?
[04:06:36] <furrywolf> yes
[04:06:45] <zeeshan> well you
[04:06:46] <zeeshan> you
[04:06:49] <zeeshan> you're a special one
[04:06:55] <furrywolf> lol
[04:06:57] <zeeshan> most people don't care about the $1 they're losing in shipping
[04:07:01] <zeeshan> especially on rx7club
[04:07:20] <zeeshan> click pay recieve
[04:07:21] <zeeshan> easy
[04:07:23] <furrywolf> I care that $1 means I have to work an extra ten minutes, and if ten minutes of shopping around saves that $1...
[04:08:20] <furrywolf> I especially dislike ebay's pushing for free shipping listings.
[04:08:29] * zeeshan likes to hide handling costs
[04:08:39] <XXCoder1> whoa. 200k backers at 7 hours left, finished at 219,382. thats 19k in just 7 hours
[04:08:39] <furrywolf> and search for sellers who offer calculated shipping, not free shipping. more honest, and often cheaper too.
[04:09:18] <XXCoder1> included always mean its highest shipping can be
[04:09:23] <XXCoder1> like say across entire usa
[04:09:35] <furrywolf> speaking of aftermarket car parts, can you get THIN radiator fans? under 1.5". I have 2" ones, and they don't fit. this is what happens when you stuff too large of an engine in. lol
[04:09:51] <XXCoder1> heh
[04:10:01] <zeeshan> i use flex-a-lite fans
[04:10:04] <zeeshan> or mishimoto
[04:10:06] <XXCoder1> try mecury sable 1988 3.8l 2 ton truck engine in sedan car
[04:10:08] <furrywolf> I used a couple pusher fans, but cooling is marginal at low speeds. I'd much prefer a good thin puller fan.
[04:10:14] <XXCoder1> literal inches
[04:10:15] <zeeshan> but they're all crap compared to oem taurus fans
[04:10:17] <zeeshan> or rx7
[04:10:20] <XXCoder1> thats all you has fir fixing
[04:10:31] <furrywolf> oem taurus fans are >=2", no?
[04:10:35] <zeeshan> yea theyre huge
[04:10:45] <furrywolf> so that doesn't help me much. :P
[04:10:45] <zeeshan> but crazy airflow
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[04:11:02] <zeeshan> you cant move your radiator up more?
[04:11:12] <furrywolf> heh, someone I'm going to help with an engine swap is going to have to relocate the radiator to make room for the engine... that'll be fun.
[04:11:16] <zeeshan> http://energiejapanparts.com/energiejp2/energiejp/wp-content/uploads/impp_0808_07_z+cooling_mods+mishimoto_radiator_fans.jpg
[04:11:20] <furrywolf> no.
[04:11:29] <zeeshan> thats as thin as youre gonna get! :P
[04:11:39] <furrywolf> we're expecting the engine to be awfully close to the front bumper when he's done. :)
[04:11:39] <XXCoder1> 1 mm
[04:11:55] <zeeshan> i notice you cant copy an image in the lightbox
[04:11:56] <zeeshan> nice
[04:12:23] <furrywolf> zeeshan: that's what I said, it breaks firefox's "view image" function. have to grab the image url from the page info if you want to get it out of the stupid box.
[04:12:37] <furrywolf> I think I tried a couple of those fans, and they were >2.5" in the middle.
[04:12:51] <zeeshan> you can try to stagger the fans
[04:12:55] <zeeshan> rathern than have them side by side
[04:13:09] <furrywolf> yes. I've tried that. I couldn't even make a pair of 8" ones fit. :P
[04:13:19] <zeeshan> bad engine mount design then :P
[04:13:36] <furrywolf> moving the engine will screw up the cv angles...
[04:13:56] <zeeshan> move the rad :P
[04:14:02] <furrywolf> and make me have to re-design the shift linkage again. :)
[04:14:28] <furrywolf> radiator is taller than the core support. I'd need to use a shorter radiator, and relocate the a/c and hood latch too.
[04:14:50] <zeeshan> angle it
[04:15:07] <XXCoder1> time lord tech
[04:15:09] <furrywolf> I'll probably re-engineer the hood latch support bracket, which will let me fit in a larger pusher fan, see how that works.
[04:15:20] <furrywolf> right now it runs cool at idle, and at speed, but climbs up crawling.
[04:15:37] <PetefromTn_> I think it is funny how they try to put drama into these Fishing shows hehehe Anything for some drama...
[04:15:43] <zeeshan> its prolly cause its blocking some of the fans
[04:15:48] <zeeshan> which is a big problem with pushers
[04:16:04] <zeeshan> fins i mean
[04:16:04] <zeeshan> not fans
[04:16:09] <furrywolf> I'm losing air back out the condensor.
[04:16:16] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: its not realty show, its scripted reality shpw
[04:16:37] <furrywolf> the pusher fans are doing a very poor job actually getting air through the radiator... does a much better job cooling the a/c than the radiator.
[04:16:40] <XXCoder1> my van seem unable to keep itself warmed up, I guess its because termostat isnt working
[04:16:44] <XXCoder1> stuck open
[04:17:06] <XXCoder1> gonna clean iac and check maf first though lol
[04:17:07] <XXCoder1> fun
[04:17:36] <furrywolf> unable to warm up is either bad thermostat, bad gauge, or air bubble making gauge read low.
[04:17:55] <XXCoder1> nissan quests is apparently very hard tio get rid of air bubbles
[04:18:14] <XXCoder1> guage does go up, just slowly
[04:18:25] <XXCoder1> way too slowly
[04:18:33] <XXCoder1> and quickly goes down as I speed up
[04:19:25] <furrywolf> sounds like thermostat then
[04:19:50] <XXCoder1> yeah. it idles pretty badly and really bad mpg (~17.2 when should be 21 since majority freeway)
[04:20:11] <furrywolf> that's not thermostat.
[04:20:18] <XXCoder1> I know
[04:20:23] <XXCoder1> thats why im checking maf and iac
[04:20:37] <XXCoder1> mpg is costing me more money than lack of warmup
[04:21:15] <furrywolf> checked spark plugs, vacuum leaks, and other basic tuneup items?
[04:21:22] <XXCoder1> yeah
[04:21:26] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man all DRAMA!
[04:21:27] <XXCoder1> new sparkplugs
[04:21:39] <XXCoder1> old ones heh it was abused
[04:21:41] <furrywolf> zeeshan: my conclusion is pushers simply don't work well when you have a/c.
[04:21:52] <XXCoder1> I guess even orginal? LOL
[04:22:12] <furrywolf> you can't push air through something a layer back...
[04:23:39] <furrywolf> but, if I redesign the hood latch support, I should be able to get a larger pusher in there, which will hopefully help. I'll also be able to support the fan on metal brackets, rather than the stupid push-through zip tie thingies that came with the fans.
[04:24:23] <furrywolf> I want to build my own fan using blade tip magnets and a brushless motor around the outside. :)
[04:25:46] <furrywolf> also need to build a baffle so I don't have a hot air intake like I do now...
[04:26:45] <furrywolf> I mounted an aem dryflow with mesh sock kinda between the headlights and the radiator... which I suspect is getting pretty warm air.
[04:28:00] <XXCoder1> furry one of mods I want to do is control air flow
[04:28:19] <XXCoder1> so less air during winter to warm easier AND less air resistance
[04:29:57] <furrywolf> stuffing a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator is a somewhat time-honored tradition. however, on modern vehicles, the therostat will do a perfectly good job making the car warm up. as to air resistance, letting it flow through the radiator is less resistance than blocking it, unless you're planning building some fancy fairing...
[04:32:44] <XXCoder1> yeah its more latter thing but van its not worth it
[04:32:54] <XXCoder1> it already takes plenty cross section
[04:36:18] <furrywolf> some company makes a really thin fan, with a name I can't remember right now, that used a 3/8" wide timing belt to drive it, so you could mount the motor off to the side... but it was ungodly expensive.
[04:38:00] <zeeshan> got a pic?
[04:38:03] <zeeshan> i havent seen that :P
[04:38:07] <zeeshan> find it!
[04:38:12] * furrywolf googles
[04:38:45] <furrywolf> http://www.mattsonscustomradiator.com/side-winder.html
[04:39:02] <zeeshan> nice!
[04:39:03] <zeeshan> that is cool
[04:39:08] <zeeshan> 2400cfm
[04:39:10] <zeeshan> interesting!
[04:39:59] <furrywolf> I still like my idea of a tip-drive brushless motor better.
[04:43:10] <XXCoder1> just randomly remembered this
[04:43:18] <XXCoder1> my mom used to own a car that constantly overheated
[04:43:26] <XXCoder1> apparently fan wasnt installed right
[04:43:28] <furrywolf> I think that with the hood latch re-engineered, I can fit a much larger pusher in. will need to try and see what I can fit.
[04:43:28] <XXCoder1> so it blows out
[04:43:37] <XXCoder1> which probably isnt good idea
[04:43:42] <furrywolf> lol
[04:43:58] <XXCoder1> works when stopped but...
[04:46:42] <furrywolf> hrmm... why put the motor behind the fan? spread a couple of the tubes apart, run a long shaft through the rad, put the motor behind the front grille. :P
[04:47:08] <XXCoder1> use flex cable to put motor to side
[04:47:17] <XXCoder1> or belt around entire fan lol
[04:47:22] <furrywolf> why doesn't anyone make a radiator with such a feature integrated, anyway? I could totally see someone selling those.
[04:48:18] <furrywolf> a 1.5-core radiator, with one core with a fan mounted to it, motor in front, and two cores around the fan, with angled fins to feed off air blown outwards from the fan...
[04:48:38] <XXCoder1> 2 fans, front and back
[04:48:53] <furrywolf> that doesn't work any better than one fan, and uses twice the room.
[04:49:24] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[04:52:05] <PetefromTn_> down to 5 degrees on our way to -2 apparently tonight.... SHIT I HATE WINTER!!
[04:52:37] <XXCoder1> its middle of spring here
[04:52:41] <XXCoder1> 45f
[04:53:03] <furrywolf> it's the rainy season here, transitioning into the foggy season.
[04:53:45] <furrywolf> at the end of the foggy season, it'll change back to the rainy season.
[04:54:10] <XXCoder1> it was "early spring" heavy rain, then moved to mid-spring of sun sometimes rain
[04:54:14] <XXCoder1> too early :9
[04:55:06] <PetefromTn_> http://www.wbir.com/weather/ sayin' snow tomorrow a bit again too.... Gonna have a Broncosicle for a little longer I guess SIGH...
[04:56:07] <bobo_> http://www.zillow.com/browse/homes/fl/saint-lucie-county/
[04:56:51] <PetefromTn_> DUDE THAT IS COLD!!!
[04:57:15] <PetefromTn_> hehe
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[04:57:30] <PetefromTn_> I can't remember what our old Zip code was...
[04:57:47] <bobo_> pick your house now.----before I get there
[04:58:19] <PetefromTn_> Honestly man right now if I cold get my asking price for this house I would leave the machine here LOL
[04:59:13] <furrywolf> I wish I could get a house.
[05:00:23] <Cromaglious> 66f in the Kitchen which is unheated
[05:00:28] <Cromaglious> 9pm
[05:00:43] <XXCoder1> dont want a house
[05:00:48] <XXCoder1> I want a machien lol
[05:01:09] <furrywolf> warm in here at 58F
[05:01:14] <PetefromTn_> you can have both right here LOL..
[05:01:21] <XXCoder1> 50f here
[05:01:22] <furrywolf> machines require houses to put them in
[05:01:31] <PetefromTn_> we keep our house pretty warm at least 73 inside...
[05:01:36] <XXCoder1> that is true but rent is fine
[05:01:37] <furrywolf> eww
[05:01:55] <bobo_> So would the 2 of you rather hhave a House or mayby a really big nice shop you could also live in ?
[05:01:57] * furrywolf considers anything over 65F, inside, outside, or anywhere else except a hot tub or a shower, to be too damn hot!
[05:02:01] <XXCoder1> pete if I owned place I would set it to 60s.
[05:02:11] <furrywolf> bobo_: there's a difference?
[05:02:31] <XXCoder1> bobo_: yes if alone, no if family
[05:02:35] <furrywolf> bobo_: I have a workbench in my living room, complete with pegboard screwed to the walls.
[05:02:36] <PetefromTn_> no thanks man I HATE the cold.. I want to be warm inside my house and comfortable..
[05:02:47] <XXCoder1> 60s is netural to me
[05:02:49] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I want to be comfortable too!
[05:02:53] <XXCoder1> 70s is warm
[05:02:57] <XXCoder1> 80s is hot
[05:02:58] <furrywolf> 70s are too hot
[05:03:15] <XXCoder1> to me 50s is just a little bit cool
[05:03:15] <PetefromTn_> I would consider a big building with a house upstairs but I doubt my wife would go for it unless it was REALLY nice inside hehe
[05:03:29] <furrywolf> I don't have any kind of shop space, so the living room doubles as the shop...
[05:03:38] <furrywolf> no, guests never want to come over. why do you ask?
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[05:03:59] <XXCoder1> I guess you ligve alone or something like tjaty
[05:04:36] <furrywolf> it was rather warm here today... unseasonably sunny day. almost hit 60F!
[05:04:41] <PetefromTn_> I used to rent a house not far from here and we took a bedroom and made a shop out of it...
[05:04:48] <PetefromTn_> It was carpeted
[05:05:01] <PetefromTn_> I went to the landlord and told him what I wanted to do..
[05:05:14] <PetefromTn_> I bought 3/4 inch plywood and some visqueen plastic sheet
[05:05:15] <Cromaglious> 60 is cold to me... anything in the 70s is nice, I only start looking for someplace with air conditioner when it hits 90
[05:05:32] <PetefromTn_> played down thee plastic all over the floor and stapled it up the walls about three feet.
[05:05:45] <PetefromTn_> then we laid down the plywood and made a new floor in the whole room
[05:06:07] <PetefromTn_> Then I CAREFULLY brought my RF45 and 12x36 lathe and toolboxes etc in there..
[05:06:17] <furrywolf> it was around 65F last week... turned my van's a/c on for the first time this year.
[05:06:18] <PetefromTn_> Had it that way for about 5 years
[05:06:39] <PetefromTn_> when we left that was the cleanest room in the house LOL
[05:06:44] <XXCoder1> lol
[05:06:51] <PetefromTn_> it seriously was!
[05:06:58] <PetefromTn_> carpet looked PERFECT
[05:07:10] <Cromaglious> nice, i would love to have a RF45 square column
[05:07:17] <PetefromTn_> I repainted the walls and got my entire security deposit back..
[05:07:45] <PetefromTn_> it was a decent little machine. Mine was kind of a hybrid between the RF45 and the IH machine.
[05:08:04] <PetefromTn_> It had the big head with the large round ring Z slide
[05:08:11] <furrywolf> I really wish I could afford to buy a house... doesn't need to be anything fancy, something rotten out would be fine with me... but it's not likely to ever happen.
[05:08:16] <PetefromTn_> and the column had the 20" Z travel
[05:08:30] <Cromaglious> ugh staples what a rip off $33 for 100 color business cards
[05:08:31] <PetefromTn_> but the base and table travels were the same as the regular RF45's
[05:08:50] <Cromaglious> single sided!
[05:08:56] <furrywolf> houses cost a lot. :(
[05:09:12] <PetefromTn_> Right now I kinda wish I was a renter...I would be gone already LOL...
[05:09:16] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, find a FHA repo.
[05:09:54] <Cromaglious> so you have to put in some drywall and some wiring, and some plumbing...
[05:10:35] <furrywolf> I hate drywall. plywood! :P
[05:11:16] <bobo_> I just think the M Stewart concept of "A House" in America is way over blown.
[05:12:01] <Connor> Drywall is a pain.. I just had to hang a new sheet in the Kitchen the other day.. had to cut in 9 holes in it.
[05:12:23] <XXCoder1> drywall? plywood? steel!
[05:12:28] <XXCoder1> one inch, all walls
[05:12:37] <XXCoder1> sucks for wifi though lol
[05:12:38] <bobo_> also the new economy ,I think is going to change that concept
[05:13:25] <Connor> We have it 66F in the house right now.
[05:13:50] <furrywolf> new economy? is this some economy where hard work is rewarded?
[05:14:54] <PetefromTn_> we have been about 70-72 all day in the house.. probably making my electric bill go up but whatever I will deal with it.
[05:15:40] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[05:15:46] <bobo_> i think there will be a lot more home industry
[05:15:48] <Connor> Yup. No dought.
[05:16:26] <Connor> Got in my Ez-Level stuff for the cabinets.. going to try to hang the wall cabinets this week end and maybe even get the base cabinets installed..
[05:16:39] <PetefromTn_> nice
[05:17:08] <Connor> PetefromTn_:
http://www.ez-level.com/ Check it out.. nice setup for cabinets.. I always hated the idea of using shims.
[05:17:47] <XXCoder1> shimmy shims
[05:17:54] <furrywolf> ... does anything on that page tell you what they are?
[05:18:19] <Connor> http://www.ez-level.com/HowToOrder.html
[05:18:22] <Connor> watch the video
[05:18:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have done that for years.. I have a laser level system with auto leveing
[05:18:32] <Connor> I do too.. now.
[05:18:47] <Connor> $89.00 Bosh.. May take it back after the job is done. :)
[05:19:07] <furrywolf> I'm not watching a fucking video to learn what a product is.
[05:19:08] <Connor> I have a cheap-o Ryobi, but, it's not auto leveling..
[05:19:20] <PetefromTn_> honestly I mostly use my 7' level tho and verify with the laser
[05:19:36] <Connor> I only have a 3' level.
[05:19:47] <Connor> furrywolf:
http://www.ez-level.com/mm5/graphics/white-template/levelers-2.jpg
[05:19:49] <Connor> that says it all.
[05:20:04] <PetefromTn_> no man make him watch the video so he whines about it more
[05:20:30] <Connor> I also bought those cabinet jaw clamps..
[05:20:40] <Connor> should make things tons easier.
[05:20:52] <Connor> having the right tools makes a huge difference.
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[05:21:10] <furrywolf> you leave them in place? seems excessive for something that will never be moved...
[05:21:13] <PetefromTn_> I use pipe clamps and some large vise grip welding clamps
[05:21:19] <bobo_> are the ez-level plastic?
[05:21:32] <Connor> bobo_: No. Metal.
[05:22:03] <bobo_> OK you may proceed
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[05:22:29] <Connor> furrywolf: Tad speendy, but, my will make it tons easier to get level.
[05:23:41] <furrywolf> with routine adjustment, leaving them in would prevent countertop warping as the building settles, which would be nice.... but 99% of them will never be readjusted. heh.
[05:24:44] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I must have set and installed thousands of cabinets in my life by now hehe
[05:24:53] <Connor> My problem is, my cabinets are so damn cheap.. the sides aren't necessarily flush with the finished face-frame.
[05:25:05] <zeeshan> man
[05:25:07] <zeeshan> making a webpage
[05:25:09] <zeeshan> is time consuming work
[05:25:15] <zeeshan> but its a nice way to organize stuff
[05:25:20] <Connor> so, I don't know weather to level based on the face-frame, or what
[05:25:20] <PetefromTn_> I know I am working on mine now..
[05:25:27] <zeeshan> it took me an hour
[05:25:29] <zeeshan> just to do my aboute page
[05:25:36] <zeeshan> and i still feel it's incomplete
[05:25:48] <Connor> zeeshan: Your doing it the hard way. Use a CMS system like Joomla.
[05:25:58] <zeeshan> no
[05:26:03] <zeeshan> i want a fully customizable site
[05:26:08] <zeeshan> and that's not what's taking long
[05:26:09] <Connor> Me and the Wife use to do from scratch sites all the time..
[05:26:13] <zeeshan> it's trying to organize my thoughts
[05:26:32] <Connor> I could see why that would be a problem in your case zeeshan :)
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[05:26:38] <zeeshan> haha
[05:27:09] <furrywolf> I'm prone to making standard header/footer files and including them in content files... a good compromise between simple and not having redundent navigation etc.
[05:27:41] <Connor> Site I'm working on now..
http://www.keeautotop.com/joomla/
[05:27:49] <Connor> old site: not done by us:
http://www.keeautotop.com/
[05:28:57] <furrywolf> I see a lot of warped countertops, but I can't imagine the average homeowner is ever going to readjust them.
[05:29:31] <Connor> furrywolf: I didn't get it for readjustments.. I got it for easy of use and installation.
[05:30:43] <furrywolf> if you can pretend to be a contractor, you get them for $10/set... :P
[05:30:46] <PetefromTn_> Thats another thing I hate about Tennessee... most houses here area built on a basement or crawlspace so the floors are stick built.. SO over time everything moves with settling and temperature... In Florida almost all homes are built on Concrete slabs...
[05:31:18] <furrywolf> most houses here are post and pier with a crawlspace
[05:31:20] <furrywolf> slabs suck.
[05:31:28] <PetefromTn_> BS...
[05:31:39] <zeeshan> thats nice connor
[05:31:41] <furrywolf> any possible advantage of a slab goes away the first time something needs fixing, adding, etc.
[05:32:23] <furrywolf> a crawlspace makes maintenance easy... need new plumbing? more air ducts? sat tv? got a leaky drain pipe? no problem.
[05:32:26] <PetefromTn_> That has never happened to any house I have ever lived in down there and my family built houses down there... Yeah I will take a slab floor any day over this shit..
[05:33:05] <furrywolf> then you here about people with slabs needing to rip up the floor and jackhammer because when they flush the toilet it comes up in the living room carpet...
[05:33:07] <furrywolf> hear
[05:33:13] <Connor> furrywolf: and a moldy crawl space too.. that costs me $30k to fix!
[05:33:25] <PetefromTn_> exactly...
[05:33:45] <bobo_> and in Flordia , they tend to leave a nice clean slab ------ high wind high tide etc.
[05:33:57] <furrywolf> lol
[05:34:09] <XXCoder1> sparky slab
[05:34:10] <Connor> lol? WTF?
[05:34:17] <Connor> Moldy crawl space isn't funny.
[05:34:31] <furrywolf> slabs are great for disposable houses. if you plan for it to be around a while, put in a proper foundation and floor.
[05:34:50] <furrywolf> the lol was to bobo.
[05:34:52] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I HATE getting under the house in the crawlspace and ours is not that bad really...
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[05:34:58] <Connor> I like Slab with a Basement.
[05:35:13] <furrywolf> basements don't work here.
[05:35:21] <PetefromTn_> disposable?? You gotta be kidding me..
[05:35:50] <PetefromTn_> there are many old florida homes in WAY better shape than most any stick built homes here that are half thier age..
[05:35:52] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Mine isn't bad anymore either. It's like a mini basement.. thick plastic.. Foam on the outside walls.. a dehumidifier.. ]
[05:35:54] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yes. slabs are like apple products that are glued shut and the battery epoxied in... you only get one if you plan to throw it away when it breaks.
[05:36:20] <XXCoder1> make a land sub
[05:36:29] <PetefromTn_> most are also cinder block walls too nevermind the fact that they are now built with hurricane hangars and other regulations to ensure they can stand up to most anything...
[05:36:29] <furrywolf> because just like apple products, you need a jackhammer to get them apart. :P
[05:37:11] <Connor> zeeshan: Thanks btw.. Still working on it..
[05:37:24] <PetefromTn_> I have NEVER jackhammered shit in a florida home and lived there most of my life... I cannot recall anyone I know doing it either.. Most stuff is in the attick in Florida... You are a crackpot man...
[05:37:29] <furrywolf> all the old houses here, you can usually see multiple generations of plumbing, electrical, gas, etc under them... upgrades you can't do economically with a slab.
[05:38:03] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: talk to anyone who's ever had a DWV plumbing issue with a slap
[05:38:07] <furrywolf> slab
[05:38:17] <furrywolf> or houses with all the electrical ran in the slab...
[05:38:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah you see multiple generations because that is how many times it screwed up and had to be replaced LOL
[05:38:36] <bobo_> Conner the old electronic whole house air cleaners would produce small amount of ozone. ozone is bad for mold
[05:38:39] <PetefromTn_> nobody puts the electrical in the slab..
[05:38:51] <Connor> or if they do, it's in conduit.
[05:38:57] <furrywolf> yep. as it turns out, utilities wear out with time, or become obsolete, and need to be repaired, replaced, and upgraded.
[05:39:29] <zeeshan> connor do people come to you
[05:39:30] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: seen it. in conduit... usually just small enough to make sure you can't pull anything else in it.
[05:39:35] <zeeshan> to make websites?
[05:39:36] <PetefromTn_> my family and I BUILT homes in Florida I think I know a thing or two about it...
[05:39:38] <zeeshan> do you advertise locally or something?
[05:39:40] <XXCoder1> bobo_: bad because it promates mold or it is actually bad for mold - mold goes away?
[05:40:02] <Connor> They did. We're not taking on new clients now because of the wife. She's not able to work.. This was a existing client.
[05:40:09] <bobo_> kills most mold
[05:40:28] <furrywolf> I don't think I've ever met someone complaining about a moldy crawlspace. usually they don't mold, and if they do... don't live under your house?
[05:40:38] <PetefromTn_> but I see arguing with you is like wrestling with a pig in the mudd... you wind up dirty and the pig likes it..
[05:40:49] <PetefromTn_> You gotta be kidding me!!
[05:41:16] <PetefromTn_> They have quite a few companies here that SPECIALIZE in that removing mold and sealing up the damn crawlspaces
[05:41:17] <Connor> bobo_: Yea, we have one.. but the ozone was giving wife head-ach..
[05:41:34] <PetefromTn_> it is a HUGE problem
[05:41:36] <furrywolf> yes, there's lots of companies specializing in taking your money. :P
[05:41:48] <Connor> furrywolf: It was in our ductwork. causing our kitchen floor to give way and all other things..
[05:42:03] <PetefromTn_> no there are lots of companies that are making momey trying to FIX the mold and other problems in crawlspaces...
[05:42:04] <furrywolf> most crawlspaces here are dry and dusty... and I can't imagine any areas worse for moisture and high water levels...
[05:42:24] <Connor> furrywolf: You don't live in Tennessee
[05:42:27] <furrywolf> I've seen wet crawlspaces, but it's usually due to bad drainage around the house.
[05:42:35] <PetefromTn_> Personally I have never been in a crawlspace that was dry and dusty..
[05:42:47] <Connor> This was due to condensation from the HVAC
[05:43:00] <furrywolf> Connor: I live in the pacific northwet. some areas here get over 200" of rain a year. our trees get 50% of their moisture from the constant fog.
[05:43:35] <furrywolf> hvac... most people here only have H and V. AC is rare. :)
[05:44:08] <furrywolf> probably 25% of houses have no hvac of any kind, just a woodstove.
[05:44:14] <Connor> And... that's my point. Hot + Humid under house = Mold. 60% or better and you have a mold issue.
[05:44:53] <furrywolf> I've been in a couple hundred crawlspaces, and never complained about mold. I hate muddy ones with <8" of clearance, though. wiggling around on your stomach with your head turned sideways because it doesn't fit if you turn it straight...
[05:44:56] <Connor> anyway.. $30k later.. still redoing the kitchen and will need to order counter tops.
[05:45:11] <furrywolf> it's quite humid here. but not hot.
[05:45:36] <Connor> OKay, I'm done.
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[05:46:00] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[05:46:03] <furrywolf> if you're going to build a crawlspace, build it so all parts have at least 12" of clearance. otherwise you're just making people's lives harder. :)
[05:46:04] <zeeshan> first two links working
[05:46:08] <zeeshan> about and resume :D
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[05:46:40] <PetefromTn_> when we do cabinet installations we often have to work with contractors and wind up going into crawlspaces a lot around here.. Even in brand new houses they are usually pretty cold and damp
[05:46:41] <furrywolf> I'd love a basement, but they just don't work here. I'm not aware of any residence with one.
[05:46:54] <zeeshan> furrywolf: where are you again
[05:46:58] <zeeshan> cali?
[05:47:18] <Connor> zeeshan: Photos are better as JPG unless you need transparent background. pngs are good for vector and sprities and icons and stuff.. FYI.
[05:47:20] <furrywolf> zeeshan: far northern california coast. in terms of climate, think southern oregon, not what people normally think of when they hear california.
[05:47:47] <zeeshan> Connor: space wise?
[05:47:57] <furrywolf> we do not have sunny hot days. hot is 65F+, and sun is a rare treat. heh.
[05:48:07] <zeeshan> hehe
[05:48:12] <zeeshan> at least its still not -32 F
[05:48:14] <zeeshan> so fu
[05:48:15] <Connor> They're load a tad faster because of the compression
[05:48:16] <furrywolf> but we do have trees 50ft thick! :)
[05:50:14] <furrywolf> hrmm, googling says slabs are a bad idea in earthquake areas... which may also explain part of their non-popularity here.
[05:51:18] <zeeshan> furrywolf: finish off the machines section of my site
[05:51:19] <zeeshan> do it!
[05:52:04] * furrywolf is getting ready for bed, and is tired. web design requires fully awake brain.
[05:52:37] <furrywolf> otherwise, rather than useful sites, you end up with... you were the one I was annoying with animated gears, right? :P
[05:52:48] <zeeshan> yes
[05:52:51] <zeeshan> you annoyed me so much
[05:52:54] <zeeshan> that i dropped the whole gear idea
[05:52:54] <zeeshan> hahaha
[05:53:06] <zeeshan> they were driving me insane
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[05:53:29] <furrywolf> also finding that slabs are a bad idea where the water table is near the surface... which it is here. at my last place, my neighbor had a 10ft well. it kept her horses watered all year round.
[05:53:33] <furrywolf> lol
[05:54:08] <toastydeath> hahah yeah
[05:54:20] <PetefromTn_> the water table is near the surface EVERYWHERE in Florida...
[05:54:24] <toastydeath> shipyards have that problem with big machine tools
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[05:54:54] <furrywolf> this is why we don't get basements here. :(
[05:54:58] <toastydeath> have to sink bigass hydraulic cement piles
[05:54:59] <furrywolf> they leak, crack, FLOAT,...
[05:55:04] <PetefromTn_> you can dig a hole a foot deep in some places and hit water hehe
[05:55:07] <toastydeath> and then build the bed on those
[05:55:36] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yeah, her well was about a foot below the surface during the winter.
[05:55:52] <furrywolf> mine here is about 5ft below. it's a 30ft well, never been dry.
[05:56:03] <PetefromTn_> I kinda like basements.. but they almost never happen in Florida. Where I was born in Upstate NY they had them everywhere.
[05:56:12] <toastydeath> how deep is bedrock
[05:56:14] <furrywolf> yeah, when I was in NJ, basements were common.
[05:56:17] <bobo_> furrywolf think i read that large buildings in Mexico City are build upon a concrete dish to survive earthquakes
[05:56:29] <zeeshan> BobO
[05:56:31] <zeeshan> guess what!
[05:56:33] <furrywolf> toastydeath: dunno. it's mud about as deep as I've ever seen. heh.
[05:56:38] <PetefromTn_> half of Mexic City is sinking into the freaking ground..
[05:57:13] <toastydeath> apparently "how deep is bedrock in florida" is a common search term
[05:57:44] <PetefromTn_> been there a couple times.. they have churches that have been there for hundreds of years and most of the first floor is underground.. you actually go DOWNSTAIRS to enter the building
[05:57:47] <furrywolf> as I said, I'd love a basement... they're even better than crawlspaces for maintainability, and you can store stuff. but the water table here is just too high. I've heard of basements floating up. septic tanks float to the surface when you pump them, too. lol
[05:58:01] <bobo_> yes Mr. Z ?
[06:00:02] <furrywolf> apparantly crawlspaces have substantially higher resale values, $10k or more onto the house. :)
[06:00:03] <furrywolf> bbl, bedtime
[06:00:30] <bobo_> I took a test drive on your new web site and ended up in a ditch !
[06:01:21] <zeeshan> "chicken butt"
[06:01:31] <zeeshan> bobo it is not complete yet
[06:01:39] <zeeshan> i hope to get it running over the week
[06:01:42] <zeeshan> w/ some content
[06:01:52] <zeeshan> bobo_: my fittings are in
[06:01:54] <zeeshan> i pick them up tomorrow!
[06:02:05] <bobo_> it doesn't load for me
[06:02:13] <zeeshan> why
[06:02:17] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[06:02:19] <zeeshan> you are going there?
[06:02:38] * archivist giggles at the altervista 404s
[06:02:51] <bobo_> ya for fittings
[06:03:44] <zeeshan> archivist: hush :{
[06:03:55] <zeeshan> im mostly sharing it for layout
[06:04:00] <archivist> zeeshan, get your own domain name for street cred
[06:04:01] <zeeshan> so far there hasn't been much negative comments
[06:04:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh man it sucks!! ;)
[06:04:14] <zeeshan> archivist: i will do that after the site is fully live
[06:04:53] <bobo_> clicking on that link and it does not load
[06:05:14] <bobo_> must be censored
[06:05:37] <zeeshan> really?
[06:05:38] <zeeshan> wtf
[06:07:08] <PetefromTn_> Well bed time folks.. Gn8
[06:07:29] <bobo_> night
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[06:07:36] <zeeshan> nite
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[06:36:34] <zeeshan> la la lala
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[06:37:23] <Cromaglious> man in this day and age.. linux distros don't install a working samba implementation? criminal if you ask me
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[06:47:41] <MacGalempsy> miss me?
[06:47:56] <MacGalempsy> the annoying noob your cnc mentor warned you about
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[06:48:03] <zeeshan> :D
[06:49:24] <MacGalempsy> gosh, work started at 6pm. and nothing until 9pm and just now got off the phone (its 12:50) here
[06:49:44] <MacGalempsy> worst part is there is not a lot going on!
[06:52:53] <zeeshan> fak
[06:52:56] <zeeshan> my house is creeking
[06:53:01] <zeeshan> its -34C out
[06:53:11] <zeeshan> -30f
[06:54:40] <bobo_> what is temp. in garage ?
[06:55:13] <zeeshan> 0.1C
[06:55:37] <zeeshan> i took off the rad cap
[06:55:39] <zeeshan> on the rx7
[06:55:40] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Ow.
[06:55:43] <zeeshan> just incase
[06:55:53] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: fill with neat antifreeze?
[06:55:59] <zeeshan> nahh
[06:56:07] <zeeshan> i use 5% antifreeze on that car
[06:56:09] <SpeedEvil> Oh - riht - only 0C in garage
[06:56:14] <SpeedEvil> not an issue then
[06:57:33] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/machines.html
[06:57:50] <zeeshan> now the painstaking work making a webpage for each tool
[06:58:19] <zeeshan> bobo_: did you see the pic of the mikron
[06:58:21] <zeeshan> w/ the shields?
[06:58:39] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16400507428_b3fb93d599_b.jpg
[06:58:46] <zeeshan> i dont think i have to build shields for it
[06:58:54] <zeeshan> i just need to make the plexi a little taller
[06:59:13] <zeeshan> and come up with a solution to cover the front
[06:59:26] <bobo_> neat
[06:59:56] <zeeshan> bobo_: i can't see the horizontal spindle
[06:59:59] <zeeshan> like you can on the maho
[07:00:06] <zeeshan> i wonder if you have to take the entire vertical head off
[07:00:07] <zeeshan> to see it
[07:01:21] <bobo_> does this mean i will finaly see the vertical head removed ?
[07:01:27] <zeeshan> ahaha
[07:01:28] <zeeshan> yea
[07:01:48] <zeeshan> i really want to see if it does exist or not
[07:01:57] <zeeshan> cause all the manuals specify "horizontal spindle speeds"
[07:02:15] <zeeshan> and id like to see what kind of tool clamping pressure it has
[07:02:25] <zeeshan> to get a better idea of how bad my cylinder is
[07:02:39] <zeeshan> i don't see how that swing warm is supposed to hold the head
[07:04:00] <bobo_> those shields - can tthey be indivualy removed ? for parts sticking out one side --for example
[07:05:25] <zeeshan> yes
[07:05:38] <zeeshan> theyre held in by 2 bolts
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[07:06:14] <bobo_> wonder if the horz. hyd cylender can be swapted into vertical head ?
[07:06:23] <zeeshan> bobo_: haha that would be SWEET
[07:06:36] <zeeshan> but i think i want to keep it functional
[07:06:40] <zeeshan> ill fix the vert head hyd
[07:06:44] <zeeshan> i just need a better idea of clamping force
[07:06:57] <zeeshan> i plan to take apart the hyd cylinder this weekend
[07:08:32] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: the link to your racing doesnt work. what kind of racecar you have?
[07:08:40] <bobo_> might be something to sell ----hyd pull stud gage
[07:08:43] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: most of the links dont work
[07:08:43] <zeeshan> :{
[07:08:55] <zeeshan> bobo_: they are really easy to make
[07:09:01] <zeeshan> its just a piston with a gauge
[07:09:08] <zeeshan> or if you wana get fancy
[07:09:12] <zeeshan> you can use a beam w/ a strain gauge on it
[07:09:29] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: rx7
[07:09:41] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: nice. year?
[07:09:45] <zeeshan> 93
[07:10:10] <MacGalempsy> << envious, that is the best bodystyle
[07:10:13] <MacGalempsy> turbo?
[07:10:24] <zeeshan> yes
[07:10:26] <zeeshan> but it has a v8
[07:10:27] <zeeshan> not a rotary
[07:10:32] <zeeshan> wait till that page is up
[07:10:34] <zeeshan> you will see my venting
[07:10:35] <zeeshan> :-)
[07:10:41] <zeeshan> with documentation!
[07:10:59] <zeeshan> i want to make a section "Why I dislike rotaries"
[07:11:07] <MacGalempsy> want to race?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8764344525/
[07:11:08] <bobo_> seems people at pratical mach say they are very expensive--------pull stud gauge
[07:11:09] <zeeshan> and show the carnage
[07:11:25] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: your car?
[07:11:26] <zeeshan> that's sexy
[07:11:43] <MacGalempsy> thnx. took me 7 years to find it and say its only money
[07:12:01] <MacGalempsy> the last good buy before getting married
[07:12:08] <zeeshan> thats a 911 turbo right?
[07:12:13] <zeeshan> they all look the same to me
[07:12:13] <zeeshan> lol
[07:12:14] <MacGalempsy> yeah x50
[07:12:16] <zeeshan> nice
[07:12:49] <MacGalempsy> it has the gt2 engine and turbos. it was a special edition for people who bought multiple pcars
[07:12:53] <zeeshan> 450bhp in a 2900 lb car
[07:12:59] <zeeshan> ah
[07:13:13] <MacGalempsy> its like 496
[07:13:21] <zeeshan> must be a fun car
[07:13:26] <MacGalempsy> top speed is 192. I had it up to 175
[07:13:57] <zeeshan> haha, the fastest i've gone is 170mph
[07:14:01] <zeeshan> i;ll never do it again
[07:14:03] <zeeshan> it's too scary
[07:14:23] <MacGalempsy> i was racing a dodge challenger. he thought he had a chance while I was fucking with him
[07:14:53] <zeeshan> don't street race :P
[07:14:54] <MacGalempsy> he maxed at 155 and I let him have like 6 car lengths, then just said adios, and smoked him
[07:15:07] <MacGalempsy> it wasnt a street. it was the highway lol
[07:15:52] <MacGalempsy> what color is your rx7?
[07:16:00] <zeeshan> black
[07:16:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RTwQW8g.jpg
[07:16:07] <zeeshan> thats my powerplant
[07:16:50] <MacGalempsy> very awesome. you do all the engine machining?
[07:17:01] <zeeshan> no, its a bone stock engine
[07:17:03] <zeeshan> but i built the turbo kit
[07:17:24] <MacGalempsy> which v8 you go with?
[07:17:34] <zeeshan> lq9
[07:17:39] <zeeshan> which is the 6.0 liter iron block
[07:17:59] <MacGalempsy> did you have to beef up the suspension?
[07:18:11] <zeeshan> yea
[07:18:15] <zeeshan> lots of little stuff
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[07:18:23] <zeeshan> had to drop the steering rack a bit
[07:18:27] <MacGalempsy> show me a pic of the whole car
[07:18:28] <zeeshan> so it needed a bumpsteer kit
[07:18:40] <zeeshan> its completely bone stock from the otuside
[07:18:42] <zeeshan> i just painted it
[07:18:42] <zeeshan> thats it
[07:19:02] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/591CC9E4-F447-4449-932E-AB693EDEA705-768-0000002B15E26412_zps45b1c6f3.jpg
[07:19:02] <MacGalempsy> ah. that is a factory lower lip?
[07:19:11] <zeeshan> its a right hand drive
[07:19:19] <zeeshan> it came with that "jdm" r1 lip
[07:19:42] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/2B480DE1-7019-43F2-95E4-91C686617C89-7246-000012BAFD18356D.jpg
[07:19:43] <zeeshan> found some old pics
[07:19:44] <zeeshan> :D
[07:19:52] <zeeshan> ive been so focused on the fab work
[07:19:56] <zeeshan> not much exterior pics
[07:19:57] <zeeshan> ahha
[07:20:15] <MacGalempsy> did you get it wrapped?
[07:20:21] <zeeshan> wrapped?
[07:20:36] <MacGalempsy> oh those are painting pics
[07:20:45] <MacGalempsy> i meant plastic wrapped
[07:20:49] <zeeshan> oh hell no
[07:20:51] <zeeshan> paint for me
[07:20:51] <zeeshan> :D
[07:21:02] <zeeshan> it was my first time painting it
[07:21:06] <zeeshan> i completely f'ed up the first time
[07:21:09] <zeeshan> lots of orange peel
[07:21:12] <zeeshan> second time came out nice
[07:21:19] <MacGalempsy> I been thinking about getting mine wrapped with classic carrera white
[07:21:48] <MacGalempsy> really want to get some BBS LM in gold
[07:21:55] <zeeshan> too rich for my blood
[07:21:55] <zeeshan> :)
[07:22:10] <zeeshan> theyre like a 1000$ a wheel
[07:22:12] <zeeshan> f that
[07:22:26] <MacGalempsy> hard to find a set of them I need 8.5 in the front and 12 in the back
[07:22:53] <zeeshan> im sporting some cheapo xxr wheels
[07:22:55] <zeeshan> i like em
[07:23:06] <MacGalempsy> they kin dof look like LMs
[07:23:13] <zeeshan> yea thats the look i was going for
[07:23:30] <zeeshan> the lm's are flat faced though
[07:24:17] <zeeshan> the only reason i got the wheels was
[07:24:17] <MacGalempsy> my favorite car is...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8795788024/
[07:24:19] <zeeshan> i needed wider tires!
[07:24:29] <Cromaglious> I so want a yenko stinger
[07:24:41] <MacGalempsy> a small fender roll would look good with some wider tires on the rx
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[07:25:58] <zeeshan> you have a lot of 3d printers
[07:25:59] <zeeshan> lol
[07:26:52] <Connor> Yea.. I was thinking of getting a Lathe.. but.. I'm starting to rethink that.. maybe a 3D printer (or kit) or a Laser Cutter...
[07:27:06] <MacGalempsy> just one working. once this damn cnc gets going, I will finish the one in the server box
[07:27:16] <Connor> I could do more with the 3D printer or laser than I could with the Lathe right now.
[07:27:27] <zeeshan> i use my lathe so much!
[07:27:32] <alex4nder> zeeshan: which transmission did you bolt up to the V8?
[07:27:39] <zeeshan> but i could definitely use a 3d printer
[07:27:44] <zeeshan> t56
[07:27:47] <alex4nder> cool
[07:28:08] <zeeshan> thats anothe reason i went with v8
[07:28:14] <zeeshan> rx7 trans is garbage
[07:28:27] <alex4nder> I guess
[07:28:35] <zeeshan> its okay for 400~450hp
[07:28:35] <MacGalempsy> i wish there was a linuxcnc for dummies book. the manual is hard to put things together from base zero
[07:28:40] <zeeshan> if you make more, it has issues
[07:28:58] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: thats why we are here
[07:29:04] <zeeshan> we've been through it :P
[07:29:09] <alex4nder> zeeshan: I've had a couple single turbo FDs.. if you use the trans for the application it was designed (i.e. no torque) they're cool. ;)
[07:29:37] <zeeshan> hehe
[07:29:43] <alex4nder> your FD looks good
[07:29:54] <zeeshan> thanks man
[07:30:03] <zeeshan> i spent a lot of time on rotaries before i made the move
[07:30:12] <zeeshan> i miss 8000 rpm shifts
[07:30:16] <alex4nder> yah
[07:30:17] <zeeshan> and the smooth power bad
[07:30:19] <zeeshan> *band
[07:30:26] <Connor> I've got some 15mmx15mm Alum Extrusion.. thinking of using for a MendelMax
[07:30:42] <zeeshan> Connor: buy me a 3d printer
[07:30:44] <alex4nder> zeeshan: yah, I can see the draw to switching away
[07:30:45] <zeeshan> all your problems will be solved
[07:31:26] <zeeshan> i'm trying to find a pic of it being rotary
[07:31:27] <zeeshan> its old!
[07:31:33] <alex4nder> I have an RX-7 race mechanic in the family, so that was an upside.
[07:31:41] <MacGalempsy> the shittiest time I had with the yellow 3d printer the guy I bought the chassis from cast the parts from plastic instead of printing them
[07:31:44] <zeeshan> is he famous?
[07:31:48] <zeeshan> on rx7club?
[07:32:03] <alex4nder> he doesn't post; too many haters
[07:32:08] <zeeshan> haha yea
[07:32:10] <zeeshan> typical forum bs
[07:32:15] <MacGalempsy> we should do a linuxcnc summer run!
[07:32:35] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/rotary/done5.jpg
[07:32:43] <zeeshan> holy crap
[07:32:46] <zeeshan> my garage was so empty then
[07:33:07] <MacGalempsy> that intercooler is beast!
[07:33:14] <Connor> or, maybe this one..
[07:33:15] <Connor> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41967
[07:33:23] <alex4nder> zeeshan: he mainly does engine builds, engine management, and package development now
[07:33:29] <zeeshan> ah
[07:33:36] <zeeshan> he must make a killing on the the engine builds
[07:33:41] <alex4nder> haha
[07:33:42] <zeeshan> there will be enough of them to build :-)
[07:33:48] <alex4nder> he fixes other people's problems
[07:33:51] <alex4nder> his don't tend to blow up
[07:34:14] <MacGalempsy> Connor: you should do a hexapod. I hear the results are fantastic
[07:34:34] <MacGalempsy> the i3 is a pretty good starter design
[07:34:40] <Connor> Nah. Doesn't lend itself to the 15mm stuff I have already.
[07:34:53] <zeeshan> connor how about you use your mill
[07:34:58] <zeeshan> for a while before you build something else :-)
[07:35:03] <alex4nder> the curse
[07:35:06] <alex4nder> it never ends
[07:35:13] <zeeshan> im forcing myself
[07:35:16] <Connor> Because, it's in parts and a 3d printer can live in my office.
[07:35:20] <zeeshan> until i get some money back from the mill
[07:35:28] <zeeshan> i aint starting another project
[07:35:32] <zeeshan> next one will definitely be a 3d printer
[07:35:43] <Connor> I even have a extruder already.
[07:35:53] <Connor> I had plans to use my CNc Router as a printer..
[07:35:57] <Connor> but, never did.
[07:36:01] <zeeshan> do you even need servos
[07:36:03] <zeeshan> for a 3d printer
[07:36:04] <zeeshan> it's so slow
[07:36:05] <Connor> was going to use linuxcnc..
[07:36:11] <MacGalempsy> #reprap is a good place for more info
[07:36:21] <Connor> You use steppers.. and they're not slow.. they're rather fast.
[07:36:33] <zeeshan> arent you limited
[07:36:36] <zeeshan> by your extruder
[07:36:38] <zeeshan> if youre doing fdm
[07:36:49] <zeeshan> they look pretty slow to me when gluing material
[07:37:15] <Connor> It just takes a while to build up the material.. the x/y moves pretty damn quick.
[07:37:17] <MacGalempsy> the finish isnt so great, but if you need a hollow design it is nice
[07:37:33] <zeeshan> how quick
[07:37:56] <bobo_> conner have you looked at/seen a Atlas 6" lathe ? could set it up with a electronic threading
[07:38:03] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: the one that is in the server box has the intent to be able to add a dremel in for machining...
[07:38:08] <Connor> 200 IPM or better in some cases.
[07:38:21] <zeeshan> thats easy to do with small steppers.
[07:38:24] <Connor> bobo_: I have a 7x10 lathe.
[07:38:30] <zeeshan> i dont see it needing more than 200oz-in steppers
[07:38:31] <Connor> I want something bigger.
[07:38:45] <Connor> zeeshan: You don't typically see them much larger than that.
[07:38:46] <bobo_> Oh
[07:38:54] <Connor> bobo_: It sucks.
[07:39:26] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtJVww8Zvw
[07:39:26] <Connor> I want 10x22 or 11x26 but.. too much going on right now.. house is a mess, money is tight..
[07:39:30] <zeeshan> looks like 40 ipm
[07:39:38] <MacGalempsy> the local makers club are liking the xyz. supposedly it is like 400 and easy to put in custom firmware
[07:39:57] <Connor> zeeshan: Depends on the settings and what it's doing.. they can go faster.
[07:39:58] <MacGalempsy> use the stuff you have to make money!
[07:40:19] <Connor> the xyz ?
[07:40:25] <MacGalempsy> from my experiance, the limiting factor is filament feed without jamming
[07:40:37] <Connor> 1.75mm fixed allot of that.
[07:41:00] <Connor> along with pre-made hobbed direct drive extruders
[07:41:25] <zeeshan> so you got a feeder
[07:41:28] <zeeshan> and a melter
[07:41:30] <zeeshan> ?
[07:41:34] <MacGalempsy> http://us.xyzprinting.com/
[07:42:18] <MacGalempsy> i was using wades extruder,
[07:42:59] <Connor> zeeshan: you have a stepper with a hobbed gear like thing on it, which gripes the filament. It pushes it into the hotend.. which melts it.. and squirts it out in a very fine thread.
[07:43:11] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[07:43:26] <zeeshan> sounds like a mig welder
[07:43:26] <zeeshan> :D
[07:43:34] <zeeshan> kind of
[07:43:42] <MacGalempsy> if you print abs you need a hotplate, and a gust of cold wind will screw you
[07:44:05] <MacGalempsy> PLA prints with a fan, but it is not as tough
[07:44:18] <zeeshan> the school 3d printer
[07:44:20] <zeeshan> is nice and toasty
[07:44:24] <zeeshan> its cold in that damn room
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[07:44:31] <zeeshan> but its fully enclosed so you can feel the heat
[07:44:37] <zeeshan> when you open the door, its like an oven
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[07:44:58] <Cromaglious> ABS you really need to build a box around the machine
[07:45:01] <MacGalempsy> oh. over 85c and the steppers start to fail!
[07:45:06] <bobo_> mig welder running alum wire----problems
[07:45:33] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/cnc8.jpg
[07:45:41] <Cromaglious> you can run ducting for the servos
[07:45:56] <Connor> I had planned on adding a hotend to that machine.. it's fully enclosed.. was even going to heat it with a hair dryer..
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[07:46:29] <Connor> but found out that mixing machines not good idea.. to dusty after working with wood..
[07:46:38] <Connor> gantry too heavy for printer moves..
[07:46:55] <MacGalempsy> yeah. dust on the filament will clog the hotend
[07:46:56] <Connor> I might buy a ramps board and try to use it with it again and see..
[07:47:01] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stratasys-Dimension-BST-768-NOT-Working-/111598604859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fbcb923b
[07:47:02] <zeeshan> interesting
[07:47:43] <Connor> machine has 12x18x4.5" build area.. not much in Z height.. for a 3D printer.
[07:48:30] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you see the repair price?
[07:48:33] <MacGalempsy> 5k!
[07:48:33] <zeeshan> yea
[07:48:34] <zeeshan> haha
[07:48:35] <zeeshan> wtf
[07:48:38] <zeeshan> for an xy table
[07:48:41] <Cromaglious> that's what I need to do for the 3040, make a MDF hold down table. 1/4 nuts on the back side on a 1" by 1" grid
[07:48:53] <MacGalempsy> they quoted me 15k to retrofit this benchman xt
[07:49:12] <MacGalempsy> so far all I got into it is the mesa cards and way too much time
[07:50:44] <MacGalempsy> would either of you guys be willing to remote into my linux box and give me a lesson on setting up a pcvp and test a pin?
[07:51:05] <MacGalempsy> I think once I see it actually done, things would make a little more sense
[07:51:30] <MacGalempsy> or even if we did a google hangout and I just watch your screen
[07:51:31] <Cromaglious> I was wining this for 3 days... at $25, then it sells for $172
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261775820477?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
[07:52:08] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: you'll cry when you see what I got on a buy it now for $50
[07:52:17] <MacGalempsy> ill take a pic real quick
[07:54:16] <Cromaglious> the buyer that got it, bids in the last 5 minutes on like 10 other auctions in the past 30 days and wins them all
[07:54:23] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16587541542/
[07:54:44] <zeeshan> wow
[07:54:46] <zeeshan> for $50?!?!
[07:54:55] <zeeshan> thats a crazy deal
[07:54:57] * zeeshan wants
[07:55:08] <MacGalempsy> yeah. i had it on a search. i bought it after it being on there for like 30 secs
[07:55:26] <Cromaglious> Mac you're a BEOOOOCHT ;\
[07:55:43] <MacGalempsy> lol
[07:56:00] <Cromaglious> WOW that's like $1200+ of probe
[07:56:08] <MacGalempsy> there are 2 in there
[07:56:51] <Cromaglious> and all the tips, did I mention ALL the tips
[07:57:01] <archivist> a few strategic saved searches are well worth the effort :)
[07:57:02] <MacGalempsy> I need to test them, but I would be willing to do some trading to get my cnc going
[07:57:30] <zeeshan> $51
[07:57:34] <zeeshan> =]
[07:57:36] <MacGalempsy> :)
[07:58:41] <MacGalempsy> I wonder how many carats of rubies are in there?
[07:58:56] <Cromaglious> Man mad rubies
[07:58:59] <Cromaglious> made
[08:00:34] <bobo_> Destiny ?
[08:00:59] <bobo_> as in stargate ?
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[08:02:12] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: you talking to me?
[08:02:23] <MacGalempsy> like the video game Destiny?
[08:02:27] <bobo_> yes
[08:02:58] <MacGalempsy> its pretty cool
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[08:03:19] <Deejay> moin
[08:03:27] <bobo_> the screen shows Destiny
[08:03:28] <MacGalempsy> moin
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[08:03:38] <MacGalempsy> yeah its the intro screen to the videogame
[08:03:50] <Deejay> hi MacGalempsy :)
[08:04:00] <MacGalempsy> http://www.destinythegame.com/
[08:04:14] <bobo_> Oh !
[08:04:25] <MacGalempsy> after so many hours, it is kind of repetative
[08:04:52] <Cromaglious> ugh... my brother sent me a pdf to turn into a web page... Images are like 40x30 pixels I have to blow them up to like 400x300 and they look like crap, so now I'm looking for royalty free pictures to replace them with, NOT FUN!
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[08:13:21] <archivist> take new pictures
[08:16:15] <archivist> I re take pictures for the sites I do where needed as the "professionals" can be useless
[08:27:10] <Cromaglious> san francisco is a bit far from Temecula in Riverside county 2 miles north of San Diego County line
[08:33:46] <MacGalempsy> ok I have halcmd going, still trying to run the tiny.xml example without success
[08:34:14] <MacGalempsy> can someone who has done this walk me through the lines in halcmd?
[08:34:49] <MacGalempsy> the manual is of no help, I need some visual realtime assistance lol
[08:35:24] <archivist> do something see error message understand rinse repeat
[08:36:12] <MacGalempsy> typing the exact lines in the manual doesnt work
[08:36:39] <archivist> probably because you need to vary for your situation
[08:37:00] <MacGalempsy> this is the line I am running. what needs to be personalized?halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypanel tiny.xml
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[08:38:46] <MacGalempsy> that line returns too many arguments
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[08:40:39] <MacGalempsy> I did a cd to the folder of interest
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[08:41:34] <archivist> you are not using it in the way described on
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/tutorial.html
[08:44:23] <MacGalempsy> just following the one, which is obviously incorrect...
[08:45:03] <archivist> I dont know what you are following
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[08:45:19] <MacGalempsy> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[08:46:04] <MacGalempsy> step 2
[08:46:56] <archivist> I used a panel on
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG
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[08:47:11] <archivist> I never needed halrun though
[08:48:13] <MacGalempsy> i just want to get to the point where I can load the XML file so I can test some pins
[08:48:34] <MacGalempsy> nothing in the manual seems straight forward
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[08:49:15] <archivist> I went straight to the axis section
[08:50:02] <archivist> if there are bugs in the instructions tell someone like JT
[08:50:48] <MacGalempsy> I will try the AXIS section
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[08:56:24] <MacGalempsy> FINALLY! thank you archivist
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[11:55:27] <MacGalempsy> in HAL should I do a net before setp?
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[11:58:28] <MacGalempsy> net compartment-light => hm2_5i25.0.7177.0.0.output-3
[11:58:30] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic_hal.html#_setp_a_id_sub_setp_a
[11:58:37] <MacGalempsy> setp compartment-light bit
[12:04:57] <MacGalempsy> if a pyvcp widget is being used, does the setp still need to be set?
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[12:05:27] <archivist> I think that depends on your use
[12:06:51] <MacGalempsy> this example is just trying to turn on the compartment light. I have the toggle button set up. so just using the net function in the HAL file, then linking the <halpin> in the xml file will actuate the relay?
[12:07:50] <archivist> you may need the setp just so it defaults to off when axis starts
[12:09:06] <MacGalempsy> ok
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[12:18:48] <MacGalempsy> well, it errored...
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4a5d2049ce436c9086dc
[12:19:37] <skunkworks> 7i77.hal:26: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-3' does not exist
[12:20:09] <MacGalempsy> i did a show pins and that is where I got the number
[12:20:33] <skunkworks> .0.0 looks wonkey
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[12:20:55] <skunkworks> for one thing
[12:21:14] <skunkworks> eh maybe that is right
[12:23:05] <skunkworks> but it sounds like the pin is spelled wrong or the 7i77 isn't seen
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[12:23:51] <archivist> is this a sym setup
[12:24:32] <MacGalempsy> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a47fd87f4b4a70fdd9f7
[12:24:36] <MacGalempsy> that is the show pin
[12:26:11] <MacGalempsy> maybe 03
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[12:28:14] <MacGalempsy> well now linuxcnc started, but no light...
[12:29:09] <MacGalempsy> time to try a jumper
[12:35:29] <MacGalempsy> so the relay is powered up, so getting field power should flip the switch
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[12:36:00] <skunkworks> you should not be running as root either...
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[12:51:21] * JT-Shop has not received any mail or packages all week... so much for the post office promises
[12:53:02] <archivist> JT-Shop, seems there may be a doc bug on section 2
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[12:53:21] <JT-Shop> a missing > ?
[12:53:44] <archivist> dunno he gets a too many parameters error
[12:53:49] <MacGalempsy> ok. I was sending power to the relay in signal, but it needs to be grounded. if I change the output-03 to output-03-not will that be a ground?
[12:54:18] <JT-Shop> oh, loading a pyvcp panel stand alone?
[12:54:22] <archivist> yes
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[12:55:27] <JT-Shop> I'll look at it after I get the debian computer to talk nicely to git
[12:55:52] <JT-Shop> DIY high resolution 3D DLP printer (3D SLA printer) by TristramBudel
[12:56:09] <JT-Shop> How much did the printer cost? About 1750 euro's in materials.
[12:56:26] <JT-Shop> How long did it take you to build it? Somewhere between 1000 and 1500 hrs.
[12:56:43] <JT-Shop> and I like this comment the best
[12:57:07] <JT-Shop> How skilled do I need to be to build this? On a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being you have trouble replacing a light bulb, 10 being you have sent something in to space. I would say 8. if you read this Instructable very carefully maybe a skill level 7.
[12:57:36] <_methods> hahah
[12:58:39] <skunkworks> that isn't quite fair - elementry kids have sent stuff into space...
[12:58:54] <SpeedEvil> For very weak definitions of space in most cases.
[12:59:21] <archivist> they handed it to person who did it for them
[13:05:55] <MacGalempsy> the output-03 does not have the option for output-03-not. so how do I make output-03 send a gound instead of fieldpower?
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[13:15:10] <skunkworks> you probably have to set the GPIO parameter.. for invert to true (going by memory)
[13:16:21] <skunkworks> for that pin
[13:16:29] <pcw_home> 7I77 digital outputs are sourcing only
[13:16:43] <skunkworks> peter!
[13:16:46] <pcw_home> so the load must have one side grounded
[13:22:45] <MacGalempsy> this is the relay board I have in there. GND and VCC are fulltime powerhttp://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-4-CH-4-Channel-Relay-Module/dp/B0057OC5O8
[13:23:26] <MacGalempsy> 1-4 are going to the outs on the mesaboard
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[13:33:19] <MacGalempsy> ok. I think I got this figured out... time to rewire a few things...
[13:35:08] <pcw_home> you could drive that directly from 5i25 outputs
[13:35:16] <miss0r> and other famous last sentences such as "what does this button do" and "lets go play golf in the lightning"
[13:36:30] <pcw_home> Yeah lets go to a flat grassy area and swing a metal pole over our heads
[13:37:07] <miss0r> exactly :D I was referring to MacGalempsy's text
[13:38:27] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: I guess i'll just get some different relays
[13:38:41] <MacGalempsy> individuals instead of in a board like this
[13:38:44] <_methods> what's wrong with that relay?
[13:38:50] <pcw_home> you could run it from P2
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[13:39:22] <MacGalempsy> the ins need to ground out instead of source
[13:39:45] <xobmo> Howdy from TX, USA
[13:40:11] <_methods> so you want the relay to turn on while signal is low?
[13:40:21] <_methods> just invert your logic on teh signal side
[13:41:39] <MacGalempsy> not sure how to do that
[13:45:13] <pcw_home> you can invert the logic but it will not help
[13:45:27] <MacGalempsy> i was thinking about finding a sourcing relay module
[13:45:38] <MacGalempsy> since these ones seem to be sinking
[13:45:51] <MacGalempsy> any recommendations?
[13:46:05] <pcw_home> your relay board needs active low TTL signals, the 7I77 drives relays directly
[13:46:06] <Swapper> pcw_home: only to validate, 7i77 have protection on the outputs to drive normal relay coils ?
[13:46:15] <pcw_home> yes
[13:46:19] <Swapper> ty
[13:47:00] <pcw_home> relays above 60 mA need flyback diodes (below can do without)
[13:47:18] <pcw_home> max load is 350 mA
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[13:52:09] <Swapper> ok
[13:52:15] <_methods> so he could just desolder one of those relays from the pcb and use it directly then?
[13:52:27] <Swapper> if they are field voltage
[13:52:33] <Swapper> that should work
[13:53:05] <_methods> https://www.ghielectronics.com/downloads/man/20084141716341001RelayX1.pdf
[13:53:40] <xobmo> I have been dying to use my machine since the fall, gotta do a new install. Would fan noise cause missed steps on arcs like the "C" on the default AXIS code?
[13:54:59] <MacGalempsy> the desoldering sounds like the best plan.
[13:55:05] <pcw_home> They are made for interfaceing to microcontrollers so are 5V and have
[13:55:07] <pcw_home> their own relay drivers (opto isolators)
[13:55:08] <pcw_home> so to use as is I woud drive from the FPGA outputs
[13:55:48] <_methods> but he'll need the flyback diodes to run it alone
[13:55:48] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good method, but trying to avoid another wiring harness coming out of the machine
[13:56:40] <MacGalempsy> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/fziprelaymodules.pdf
[13:57:04] <MacGalempsy> they are pricey, but the ZL-RRL16-24-2 is sourcing
[13:57:06] <Swapper> MacGalempsy: what breakout board are you using ?
[13:57:20] <MacGalempsy> 5i25, 7i77 7i84
[13:57:41] <Swapper> ok then as pcw said above you dont need a flyback if the relays are below 60ma
[13:57:48] <Swapper> its in the 7i77 atleast
[13:58:00] <pcw_home> those have driver, you dont need drivers
[13:58:36] <_methods> the nominal current on the 5v songle relay is 71.4 mA
[13:59:47] <pcw_home> Pretty sure theres a little bare 4 relay DIN module from automation direct
[14:01:18] <MacGalempsy> ok. I will make up a wiring harness and run it from the 5i25
[14:01:41] <MacGalempsy> just to be clear, we are talkingabout the gpio pins, correct?
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[14:03:29] <Swapper> do you have 5v field voltage?
[14:03:30] <pcw_home> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Reviews/Catalog/Relays_-z-_Timers/Electro-Mechanical_Relays/Slim_-z-_Card_Relays,_5A_%28RS_Series%29/RS4N-DE?showReviews=true
[14:04:07] <pcw_home> for example (24V ~8 ma)
[14:09:05] <pcw_home> Yes, you can use GPIO pins to drive the SainSmart module
[14:09:06] <pcw_home> (you need to set them in open drain mode and invert the outputs)
[14:09:48] <MacGalempsy> ok. the help is really appreciated. its time to hit the sack. much appreciated. made a lot of progress today. so a BIG THANKS
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[14:46:13] * JT-Shop reads more about the unobtainiom parts of building a SLA
[14:46:41] <JT-Shop> Ideally you want to use a single surface mirror for this. Because this is one of the build quality determining factors a high quality mirror would do best. I did not manage to find any reasonable priced suppliers of 150x150mm single surface mirrors so far.
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[14:47:09] <JT-Shop> I suggest you do the same as I did, most universities with a physics lab have a thermal evaporator or sputter tool just give them a call and say you are working on a 3D printer. I am sure you can find a student/undergrad or teacher that is willing to help.
[14:47:31] <JT-Shop> yea we have several thermal evaporators but none of the rednecks can find the manual
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[14:49:22] <_methods> hahah
[14:51:17] <pcw_home> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-mirrors/flat-mirrors/4-6-wave-first-surface-mirrors/2077
[14:53:00] <_methods> so why can't you just aim the projector directly at the build platform?
[14:55:21] <pcw_home> probably just mechanically awkward (or maybe the projectors don like bein pointed down)
[14:55:43] <_methods> wonder if it's a bulb exploding thing or something
[14:58:34] <CaptHindsight> the mirror is used just to place the projector at a right angle to the build platform
[15:00:57] <CaptHindsight> it's easier to build and you'll get better prints by projecting down onto the surface of the photopolymer that messing with projecting up though the bottom of a vat
[15:02:18] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop:
http://www.sciplus.com/p/MIRROR-FIRST-SURFACE15MM-X-15MM-X-1MM-THKVERY-SMALL_248
[15:02:25] <CaptHindsight> <$5ea
[15:05:16] <JT-Shop> are any of these candidates for top down SLA?
http://semo.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=projector&sort=rel
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[15:21:09] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop:
http://semo.craigslist.org/bfs/4847008433.html - ideal for a very large top-down SLA
[15:21:13] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: most are 800x600 or 1024x768. Don't both with any DLP projector that has white spots or "sparkles", These are stuck micro-mirrors
[15:21:32] <CaptHindsight> both/bother
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[15:21:54] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can segment off the 'working' bit.
[15:22:05] <SpeedEvil> But - if one has failed, the rest are likely on the way out
[15:22:49] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: Church building with gym for sale?
[15:23:05] <SpeedEvil> Room for a really big vat and projector
[15:23:17] <SpeedEvil> Sorry -I should be more serious.
[15:23:33] <CaptHindsight> or funny :)
[15:23:37] <SpeedEvil> That too
[15:23:41] <JT-Shop> how do you tell if it has 'sparkles'?
[15:24:01] <CaptHindsight> turn it on, look for white spots
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[15:24:24] <CaptHindsight> LCD projectors don't have this problem
[15:24:45] <JT-Shop> http://semo.craigslist.org/ele/4858532645.html
[15:25:05] <JT-Shop> works but needs a bulb?
[15:25:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fixya.com/uploads/Images/CC064CB.jpg spots
[15:25:47] <tjtr33> thx to all the devs! i am overwhelmed. also the Lonnox Cut tutorials begins at
http://goo.gl/bvKuVo ( German only )
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[15:26:41] <JT-Shop> http://semo.craigslist.org/ele/4883017261.html
[15:26:57] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: GEtting the bulb - or convincing it to workwith the wrong bulb - can be annoying
[15:27:03] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, a lot of units have bulb life counters, a register that can be checked (can be fooled but usually a good indication )
[15:27:17] <JT-Shop> thanks
[15:27:34] <JT-Shop> http://jacksontn.craigslist.org/ele/4887611172.html
[15:27:37] <CaptHindsight> SVGA(800x600) InFocus LP280
[15:27:57] <JT-Shop> is that poor, good, great?
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[15:28:41] <SpeedEvil> Contrast ratio matters a bit - as the worse it is - the more you're rotting the resin
[15:29:17] <JT-Shop> Contrast(Full On/Off): 400:1 Auto Iris: No
[15:29:27] <JT-Shop> http://www.projectorcentral.com/InFocus-LP280.htm
[15:29:31] <CaptHindsight> for 100um XY (0.004") 80mm x 60mm (3.15 x 2.36" ) prints
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[15:30:00] <JT-Shop> ok so the infocus is a bit small then
[15:30:02] <CaptHindsight> not the greatest contrast ratio
[15:30:22] <JT-Shop> what is a good contrast ratio?
[15:30:30] <CaptHindsight> 1024 x 768 102 x 76.8mm for 100um XY
[15:30:41] <CaptHindsight> >1000:1
[15:30:52] <JT-Shop> ok, I'll keep looking for that
[15:31:49] <CaptHindsight> LCD projectors don't pass much light under 440nm (Blue)
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[15:33:25] <CaptHindsight> http://bucktownpolymers.com/rcpolymers00.html is the only source for resin that works from UV through 500nm (blue green)
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[15:33:44] <JT-Shop> ah so there is a catch with the LCD projector
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[15:35:02] <JT-Shop> so this is a good one?
http://clarksville.craigslist.org/ele/4843043580.html
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[15:35:45] <CaptHindsight> you also have to look at native resolution
[15:36:19] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: is specified for. Do most really not work at blue?
[15:36:24] <CaptHindsight> that's the actual number and aspect ratio of the micro mirrors
[15:37:03] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: the other photopolymers use photoinitiators that are only triggered <420nm
[15:37:08] <JT-Shop> http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-S316.htm
[15:37:29] <CaptHindsight> some are only UV - 390nm
[15:37:46] <JT-Shop> Contrast(Full On/Off): 15,000:1 Auto Iris: ** Native Resolution: 800x600
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[15:38:16] <CaptHindsight> nice and bright but 800x600
[15:40:12] <JT-Shop> how about this one
http://www.projectorcentral.com/InFocus-IN2104EP.htm
[15:40:46] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: ah
[15:40:52] <CaptHindsight> 1024x768 2,500 Lumens
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[15:43:14] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: we can make them trigger anywhere from UV through IR
[15:43:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes - and we can also do total synthesis of photopolymers in the shop.
[15:44:53] <CaptHindsight> or ebeam
[15:45:09] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/InFocus-IN2104EP-2500-ANSI-Lumens-VGA-DLP-Video-Projector-w-Lamp-No-Remote-/381164171599?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58bf27b14f
[15:45:42] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: I actually want to try e-beam SES
[15:45:45] <SpeedEvil> Or whatever you call it
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[15:46:31] <CaptHindsight> that ebay infocus ^^ looks good
[15:47:11] <JT-Shop> almost too good to be true... 159 Negative feedbacks in 12 months
[15:47:21] <JT-Shop> does sell a lot
[15:48:18] <tjtr33> others w/o bulb listed, and ~50$ for new bulb
[15:48:45] <tjtr33> newegg has the bulbs even
[15:48:51] <CaptHindsight> I'd skip the bulb and put an LED in
[15:49:24] <tjtr33> those 10W ?
[15:49:41] <CaptHindsight> 10W 405nm LED
[15:50:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10W-UltraViolet-UV-Purple-395NM-405NM-High-Power-Multichip-Intergrated-Led-Light-/221396739962
[15:51:26] <CaptHindsight> I use Blue LED's
[15:51:26] <SpeedEvil> Decent LEDs can hit 50% effiienciy
[15:51:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Watt-45mil-Chips-Blue-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp-Panel-450-460nm-2000-2500LM-/380857624277
[15:52:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-10W-10Watt-Blue-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp-450-460nm-200-250LM-Aquarium-DIY-/380609135646
[15:52:44] <CaptHindsight> the price on LED's just drops all the time
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[15:53:33] <tjtr33> so 1024x768 gives a 4"x3" work area at .004"rez?
[15:53:59] <CaptHindsight> yes XY
[15:54:07] <tjtr33> k, getting it now thx
[15:54:35] <CaptHindsight> and 2 x 1.5" at .002" res
[15:54:58] <tjtr33> yeah i was thinking gettting closer would make it finer
[15:55:14] <CaptHindsight> also more power
[15:55:36] <CaptHindsight> mW/cm^2
[15:55:53] <tjtr33> i saw one Taiwan unit that had a shroud around the nose, actually kissed the surface of the polymer, maybe avoiding ambient light
[15:56:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.asiga.com/products/printers/ maybe this?
[15:56:49] <jack16> I need to make 20 mm deep 2.8 mm slot in PVC. Will endmill handle it or I need to cut it from both sides?
[15:57:47] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I'm going to make a water soluble (after curing) resin for casting applications
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[15:58:53] <CaptHindsight> print, coat with casting compound, let it set and then soak in water to remove the resin mold
[15:59:14] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Are you some sort of chemist?
[15:59:22] <tjtr33> muhahahah
[15:59:24] <CaptHindsight> some sort
[15:59:31] <SpeedEvil> Sounds like fun.
[15:59:38] <CaptHindsight> I wear many hats
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[15:59:50] <SpeedEvil> 3d printing resin - done right - could be more lucrative than meth.
[16:00:36] <FinboySlick> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BJ23P3581 is surprisingly cheap.
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[16:05:04] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight, so I just need to find a projector like the InFocus IN2104EP to get started
[16:05:38] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: yes
[16:05:57] <JT-Shop> is the resin sensitive to ambient light?
[16:06:17] <CaptHindsight> you don't want to keep it in the window
[16:07:02] <CaptHindsight> it depends on the resin, I mix the Blue curing resins in a dim area
[16:07:40] <CaptHindsight> you don't need a darkroom
[16:09:25] <SpeedEvil> Keeping a box over it is a good plan
[16:09:29] <CaptHindsight> but 1-2 seconds in sunlight and it's solid
[16:09:47] <CaptHindsight> and hot
[16:10:05] <JT-Shop> so do you mix it up just before use?
[16:10:45] <CaptHindsight> no it's premixed and only one component, I was referring to production
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[16:11:29] * SpeedEvil wonders if there is anything that could be added to cheap fibreglass resin to act as a photocatalytic accellerator
[16:12:06] <CaptHindsight> those are unsaturated polyester and styrene
[16:12:27] <CaptHindsight> and it's called a photoinitiator
[16:14:22] <CaptHindsight> you can also place inserts into SLA as it is printing (if you use top down projection)
[16:17:08] <CaptHindsight> the cheap poly resins are pretty thick and also shrink a lot when cured
[16:17:40] <CaptHindsight> and the styrene odor is pretty strong for most people
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[16:18:20] * SpeedEvil is really, really cheap.
[16:18:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:18:33] <SpeedEvil> I should start with simple pulltrusion first.
[16:18:40] <SpeedEvil> I got a lot of filliment to play with
[16:18:58] <SpeedEvil> 17kg, it was cheap on ebay!
[16:19:13] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: are you going to use the polyester resin?
[16:19:18] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:19:35] <CaptHindsight> should work fine
[16:20:01] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: how will you cure?
[16:20:11] <SpeedEvil> heat. Lots of heat.
[16:20:42] <SpeedEvil> It seems to be how it's done in production with remarkably few issues.
[16:21:01] <CaptHindsight> you could use dual cure and skip the heat
[16:21:03] <SpeedEvil> And if Ican't do the 'normal' rate due to the wrong resin - it doesn't much matter.
[16:21:14] <SpeedEvil> Dual cure?
[16:21:44] <CaptHindsight> UV and a catalyst
[16:21:55] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[16:22:24] <SpeedEvil> I haven't done research tosee if there are available catalysts that would work.
[16:22:26] <CaptHindsight> UV cure the outside and then let is just sit and the catalyst will take care of the unexposed regions
[16:22:55] <SpeedEvil> Or does it normally cure with UV if strong enough?
[16:23:09] <CaptHindsight> MEKP as catalyst
[16:23:34] <CaptHindsight> the UV part requires a photoinitiator
[16:23:38] <SpeedEvil> Yes, I know - I was assuming naively that I'd need to add something else to make it photosensitive to a useful degree
[16:25:11] <CaptHindsight> or benzoyl peroxide or 2,4-dichlorobenzoyl peroxide as the catalyst
[16:25:33] <SpeedEvil> As photoinitiators?
[16:25:35] <CaptHindsight> (pimple cream active ingredient)
[16:26:10] <CaptHindsight> for the Pi I'd have to see where you can get that in the UK
[16:27:06] <CaptHindsight> the cheap polyester resin at boat yards usually comes with some MEKP
[16:27:22] <SpeedEvil> And yes -I've got plenty ofMEKP - that's not an issue
[16:28:07] <SpeedEvil> I assume the initiator would be very uncheap?
[16:29:18] <CaptHindsight> the ones in the UV to 420nm range aren't bad
[16:30:00] * SpeedEvil looks at his decapped 400W mercury vapour streetlight.
[16:30:17] <CaptHindsight> we buy by the pallet, I'm not sure about exporting to the UK though
[16:30:37] <SpeedEvil> yeah. I was meaning from a generic point of view, not 'please send me'
[16:30:51] <SpeedEvil> Is it a strong oxidiser or anything nasty to ship?
[16:30:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=photoinitiator
[16:31:04] <CaptHindsight> not nasty to ship
[16:31:14] <CaptHindsight> MEKP is
[16:32:24] <CaptHindsight> I went into a Lowe's home improvement store here for a gal of that cheap resin and I had to produce and ID
[16:32:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/UV-curable-Resin_276301172.html - sometimes I wish I had my own container in china that I could just fill up and get shipped to me.
[16:32:32] <CaptHindsight> because of the MEKP
[16:34:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:34:26] <SpeedEvil> I should probably stick to planning more near-term projects.
[16:36:25] <CaptHindsight> the Heat Cure part of that project is the most expensive
[16:36:34] <CaptHindsight> the cost of the energy
[16:37:29] <SpeedEvil> I'm really not sure it is. heating ~30kg or so of material to 1??C or so is basically trivial.
[16:37:59] <SpeedEvil> I mean - perhaps in an industrial scale where the materials are being bought in quantity
[16:40:13] <CaptHindsight> you can have a few KW of heaters in one pultruder, same for extruders
[16:40:33] <SpeedEvil> Yes, but probably not if I'm making one 6mm rod at a time.
[16:40:46] <CaptHindsight> that's what bumps the $1/lb PLA pellets >$10lb in filament form
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[16:42:28] <SpeedEvil> $10 of energy per lb is enough to heat it to 180000C
[16:42:51] * SpeedEvil checks.
[16:43:12] <SpeedEvil> Looks about right.
[16:43:18] <CaptHindsight> are you vaporizing? :)
[16:43:27] <SpeedEvil> And yes, I do know that that is not physical
[16:43:34] <SpeedEvil> But - still.
[16:44:55] <CaptHindsight> coating plants are moving to Radcure to save over heat cure, so yes it becomes a big issue for large scale
[16:45:55] <SpeedEvil> I can't see any way it could possible be at all meaningful for me.
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[16:46:16] <SpeedEvil> A 6mm extruder is basically not going to use meaningful power.
[16:46:35] <SpeedEvil> Oh. If you're talking about temperature cycled molds - then yes -that's going to be murder
[16:48:29] <CaptHindsight> yes, your 6mm rods a few at time won't matter much to your pocketbook
[16:49:27] <SpeedEvil> I can't see any concievable way that it could cost ~500kWh or so to heat 10kg of stuff.
[16:49:47] <SpeedEvil> At least in this context ofsimple pulltrusion with no mold being cooled down.
[16:50:30] <SpeedEvil> (500kWh = about what I paid for the materials)
[16:52:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.strongwell.com/markets/custom-pultrusions/ their composition has far less resin that what you'll make at home
[16:52:58] <CaptHindsight> fiberglass + clay + resin
[16:53:22] <SpeedEvil> I actually bought some 'filled' resin.
[16:53:32] <SpeedEvil> But yes - more filler could be used.
[16:53:48] <SpeedEvil> Sand as a bulking agent too
[16:54:31] <SpeedEvil> The initial design is very simple.
[16:55:34] <SpeedEvil> Dip tank for 'core' fibres and wrap. Linear fibres in a bundle, with a simple spiral wrap of a single fibre round the diameter to squeeze out resin and reinforce in the other direction, wipe off and stick in a IR oven.
[16:56:54] <CaptHindsight> ah ok, closer to casting, you're not curing it as it goes through the mold
[16:57:25] <SpeedEvil> No, there is no orifice which it's pulled through.
[16:57:38] <CaptHindsight> yeah I follow you
[16:58:04] <SpeedEvil> I wasn't sure how non-stick Icould get it in practice. I know IR oven will work fine - just may be rather slower.
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[17:03:51] <CaptHindsight> ghetto version could be made with tubing and a funnel
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[17:07:41] <SpeedEvil> Yes, I wasn't sure of the non-stick-ness though. I shoul probably have investigated more thouroughly
[17:10:05] <CaptHindsight> ptfe coated tube
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[17:12:09] <SpeedEvil> Easy to try.
[17:12:38] <CaptHindsight> make your own with the water based ptfe
[17:12:40] <PetefromTn_> hey folks..
[17:12:48] <ssi> hey pete
[17:13:00] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: \0/
[17:13:05] <PetefromTn_> what are we yappin' about..
[17:13:21] <CaptHindsight> DIY pultrusions
[17:13:21] <PetefromTn_> :D
[17:13:47] <PetefromTn_> OK Lemme google that ;)
[17:15:29] <CaptHindsight> fiberglass t-slot pultrusions could be another construction material for diyers
[17:16:00] <CaptHindsight> sell in 8ft lengths, easily cut at home to size
[17:16:10] <ssi> that'd be pretty awesome actually
[17:16:27] <ssi> if it were significantly cheaper than aluminum tslot of comparable size
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[17:18:57] <PetefromTn_> sounds like an extruded fiber/epoxy or something... I guess it would move pretty slowly thru the machine, are you building one Capt?
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[17:20:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/building-materials/struts-and-framing/8020/1515lite97-112-x-112-lite-tslotted-profile-97-stock-bar?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=CMf-s5GE8cMCFQYJaQodKJYABg
[17:20:41] <CaptHindsight> $47.95 ea. for 97" @ 8.5lbs
[17:21:35] <CaptHindsight> $5.64.lb in aluminum - list price
[17:22:21] <CaptHindsight> or ~$1/ft is that profile
[17:22:32] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRjU4na-ol8
[17:23:02] <CaptHindsight> sorry $6/ft
[17:24:00] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight,
http://www.frame-world.com/ its next door for you
[17:24:36] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: you'd think so but I buy from Steiner right down the street from them
[17:24:55] <tjtr33> hahah ok
[17:24:58] <CaptHindsight> frame-world only sells through distis
[17:25:10] <CaptHindsight> the nearest disti is in Elk Grove :)
[17:25:34] <tjtr33> ah, saves me a trip. i avoid salespirates like plague
[17:26:21] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty reasonable pricing for that extrusion no?
[17:26:40] <PetefromTn_> I have never bought any of that stuff
[17:26:42] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: in onesy twosey
[17:27:03] <PetefromTn_> my local customer has a lot of it and I have machined parts for him to go with the extrusions etc
[17:27:26] <PetefromTn_> he uses it for simple welding jigs and stuff for the bicycle frames parts
[17:27:34] <CaptHindsight> ssi was just saying that if it could be made lower cost in a pultrusion it would be popular
[17:28:06] <PetefromTn_> that is an interesting idea.. I just watched another video of pultrusion with CF
[17:28:19] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if that is how they make CF tubing?
[17:28:44] <PetefromTn_> never saw it before
[17:28:53] <CaptHindsight> there was a fiberglass t-slot supplier 10 years ago, but they went under
[17:28:57] <jdh> Pete: local hand made framemaker?
[17:29:10] <PetefromTn_> like CF arrow shafts and stabilizer bars etc..
[17:29:23] <PetefromTn_> jdh ?
[17:29:51] <CaptHindsight> CF tubing is made differently
[17:29:58] <jdh> you make things for a frame maler?
[17:30:01] <CaptHindsight> well you could make it that way
[17:30:02] <jdh> maker
[17:30:02] <PetefromTn_> they make bike frames for recumbent bicucles...
[17:30:08] <PetefromTn_> bicycles
[17:30:09] <jdh> oh. blah
[17:30:20] <PetefromTn_> why blah?
[17:30:31] <jdh> recumbblah
[17:30:38] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE recumbent bikes..
[17:30:42] <CaptHindsight> but the string CF tubes are made with woven fiber and then they impregnate it with epoxy
[17:30:50] <PetefromTn_> I have one I built myself from scratch..
[17:30:51] <CaptHindsight> string/strong
[17:30:54] <jdh> yeah. all you old farts do
[17:31:02] <PetefromTn_> I am only 43 ass
[17:31:23] <jdh> yeah. sad to be so young and an old fart
[17:31:33] <PetefromTn_> besides I would argue that recumbents are for YOUNG people even more than old ones...
[17:31:46] <PetefromTn_> people who want to go REALLY FAST!
[17:32:05] <PetefromTn_> and want their junk to work when they want to have kids later on...
[17:32:11] <jdh> my latest bike was made in Ooltewah. down the road from you
[17:32:15] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_:
http://media.techeblog.com/images/lfalexus.jpg weave the CF
[17:32:24] <Cromaglious> jdh 43 is young... I myself just entered middle age and I'm 50
[17:32:32] <PetefromTn_> shit that is complicated looking hehe
[17:32:53] <jdh> Crom. I'm oldrr than you!
[17:32:55] <PetefromTn_> I agree I feel pretty young even tho I have had some health issues before...
[17:33:07] <jdh> but I'm not an old fart yet
[17:33:07] <PetefromTn_> what bike was that?
[17:33:10] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: so you have a woven tube that you coat with epoxy
[17:33:45] <jdh> Pete: Lynskey Sportive - Titanium
[17:34:28] <SpeedEvil> Or impregnate with epoxy before it goes into the weaving process
[17:34:39] <PetefromTn_> OOh so you got an uber overpriced diamond frame then hehehe
[17:35:10] <jdh> I was happy enough for what I paid.
[17:35:18] <SpeedEvil> In principle with the proper weaving, you can customise the exact stresses and stiffnesses tobe right in each part of the structure - with no fixings or weldings
[17:35:27] <SpeedEvil> This is complex alas
[17:35:29] <jdh> <¬ cheap bastard
[17:35:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah cheap bastard riding the $2k bicycle..
[17:36:34] <PetefromTn_> You'd freaking love this place man. when the weather is not freezing there are thousands of those bikes rolling around the hills here and up into the Great Smoky Mountains National Park area..
[17:37:05] <jdh> heh. $2k would have made me really happy.
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[17:37:52] <PetefromTn_> https://proporzionedivina.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/day9buatois1web2.jpg I have a friend with one of these...
[17:37:56] <PetefromTn_> he let me ride it...
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[17:38:03] <PetefromTn_> that thing is kick ass
[17:39:19] <brlcad> seb_kuzminsky: hello, I'm here as well if you're available to talk
[17:39:46] <PetefromTn_> http://www.bicishoprecu.com/joomla/images/Modelli_Optima/baronorange.jpg I REALLY Like the Optima Baron....nice lines and FAST!!
[17:40:15] <PetefromTn_> They are just so damn comfortable to ride too...
[17:40:17] <seb_kuzminsky> brlcad: who are you?
[17:40:41] <seb_kuzminsky> brlcad: oh, i just saw your email, ok
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[17:41:36] <PetefromTn_> my personal recumbent is a home built frame I tig welded and it has a SWB frame with under seat steering. I love it but it makes people nervous riding it when they never tried it before... It takes a little getting used to....
[17:41:52] <jdh> pete: to each I suppose. they just dont do anything for me.
[17:42:03] <PetefromTn_> have you ever ridden one?
[17:42:29] <jdh> nope.
[17:42:53] <Cromaglious> UGH trying to figure out a font in a PDF where all the text has been converted to curse so it loses font info
[17:42:59] <PetefromTn_> If you are into bikes and cycling at all you need to try one... a GOOD one...and have someone who knows how to properly set it up for you do it...
[17:43:01] <Cromaglious> curve
[17:43:13] <Cromaglious> mmmmmm TIG
[17:44:06] <PetefromTn_> the only reason NOT to have a nice recumbent over a diamond frame is if you live where there is nothing but really tall hills.... but they are popular here where there is hills as well so that depends on your level of fitness I suppose..
[17:44:28] <Cromaglious> I really need to get a TIG setup
[17:44:53] <jdh> I'm pretty sure I would get run over on that here
[17:45:03] <Cromaglious> I have a Felt 90 and my knees are blown out so I'm thinking about getting a electric front wheel
[17:45:10] <PetefromTn_> It IS a bit harder to climb steep hills on one due to the fact that you cannot use your body weight on the pedals to assist you but they are so efficient it kind of offsets that somewhat.
[17:45:47] <Rab> Recumbent bah, you haven't lived until you've stepped up to an ElliptiGO.
[17:45:50] <PetefromTn_> They also have HIGH racers that are not so low but almost as efficient.... these are pretty cool to ride too...
[17:46:53] <jdh> heh. I saw an elliptigo here last summer
[17:46:57] <PetefromTn_> LOL elliptigo...
[17:47:04] <jdh> guy was working his ass off
[17:47:29] <PetefromTn_> http://test.rbr.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/performer-recumbent-hr-superman.jpg decent High racer..
[17:47:29] <Rab> jdh, you can spot recumbents here from a mile away because they all sport multiple, like, day-glo golf course flags...getting run over is a serious threat on any bike.
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[17:48:21] <PetefromTn_> I have ridden almost every style of bike there is... I RIDE a recumbent all the time when the weather is nice. Would not have it any other way...
[17:49:47] <PetefromTn_> My wife was apprehensive about getting one so I bought here a decent diamond frame cross tour style bike.
[17:50:27] <PetefromTn_> now whenever we go for a ride after we ride for a bit she complains her neck hurts and her butt hurts from the seat and I could go ride on for hours...
[17:51:24] <PetefromTn_> she just does not feel comfortable on my Under seat Steered recumbent which is understandable it is very different but super comfortable once you get used to it..
[17:52:20] <PetefromTn_> http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1792595_f520.jpg This bike has USS steering..
[17:52:33] <jdh> neck pain is a poorly fitted bike
[17:52:33] <Rab> jdh, I only know about ElliptiGO because my gf and I saw one while we were riding. We were laughing it up, assuming we'd drop him immediately...but then we were hammering hard and he just kept striding up behind. It was terrifying, like something from Terminator 2.
[17:53:02] <PetefromTn_> no it's not we had a pro bike shop set it up for her LOL...
[17:53:14] <Rab> He passed us and his calves were like coffee cans.
[17:53:31] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[17:53:34] <PetefromTn_> Coffee cans
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[17:53:45] <jdh> if it were set up right, her neck wouldnt hutt
[17:54:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I had several different quality diamond frame bikes and I experienced the same issues with sore butt and neck...
[17:54:38] <PetefromTn_> nevermind the danger of getting in an accident on one...
[17:54:44] <CaptHindsight> was just thinking about CF T-Slot
[17:55:05] <PetefromTn_> there are tons of people with spinal injuries from riding diamond frame bikes and having wrecks..
[17:55:27] <PetefromTn_> first thing that happens is you go over the freakin handlebars
[17:55:53] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: have you ever used these?
http://dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=102
[17:55:55] <Tom_itx> they shouldn't be riding them on the death road in the first place...
[17:56:17] <PetefromTn_> no I have not but those look cool capt.
[17:56:24] <CaptHindsight> http://dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=169
[17:56:25] <PetefromTn_> death road?
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[17:56:52] <PetefromTn_> woah those are cool..
[17:57:24] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx My family and I ride on the greenbelts here or on the roads up to the National park. Either one is pretty safe really..
[17:57:52] <PetefromTn_> the greenbelts the only vehicles allowed are golf carts used by the city..
[17:57:59] <ssi> just got the ball rolling on buying that other airplane :P
[17:58:04] <ssi> that makes four
[17:58:14] * ssi is out his damn mind
[17:58:15] <CaptHindsight> how about a CF bike frame kit?
[17:58:23] <Connor> ssi Where are you going to put it?
[17:58:28] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i was kidding but...
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/deathroad/deathroad_index.php
[17:58:30] <ssi> I guess I'm gonna pick up another hangar
[17:58:39] <jdh> what is this ome?
[17:58:39] <PetefromTn_> there are MANY CF bike frames available..
[17:58:41] <jdh> one?
[17:58:42] <ssi> RV6
[17:58:44] <Connor> Why do you need/want it ?
[17:58:54] <CaptHindsight> the neck and hub for the cranks are not off the shelf but just about everything else is
[17:59:20] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: anything for under $200ea
[17:59:35] <ssi> cause it's underpriced, it's fast enough that I can travel in, I can build tailwheel time which will help with the insurance on the RV7 when I get it done
[17:59:39] <ssi> I'll sell it once the RV7 is done of course
[17:59:47] <PetefromTn_> Its funny Tom when I visited South America a few times we took bus rides on roads like that. SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!
[18:00:07] <Connor> What's the main diff on RV6 vs RV7 ?
[18:00:16] <PetefromTn_> those bus drivers are fearless I swear..
[18:00:17] <ssi> they're extremely similar
[18:00:42] <ssi> RV7 is the newer style kit, the cnc prepunched style, has the new style solid aluminum spars, and it's slightly bigger in the interior and has a bigger tail
[18:00:47] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Doubtful hehe. Most are vacuum formed with aluminum cores in high strength areas..
[18:01:56] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I was thinking to sell the hub, neck and seat post areas along with sections of tube
[18:02:08] <CaptHindsight> you cut it to size yourself
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[18:02:42] <CaptHindsight> can people apply adhesive properly?
[18:03:05] <PetefromTn_> I should tell my bike builder friend about this stuff tho..
[18:03:18] <PetefromTn_> he is working on a new recumbent trike design right now.
[18:03:31] <CaptHindsight> I know some people with cnc machines to make the complex parts :)
[18:03:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I know right..
[18:04:05] <PetefromTn_> I have NOTHING going on right now and it really sucks...
[18:05:07] <CaptHindsight> could be a poopstarter
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[18:13:50] <CaptHindsight> https://goodwinds.com/connectors.html CF connectors
[18:20:23] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8MkbmXq2iE LOL
[18:22:15] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHbjYCYU53Q My idea of a CF bike frame hehehe...
[18:23:25] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: Death wish? :)
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[18:24:34] <PetefromTn_> LOVE IT!!
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[18:25:17] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You almost hit the bus there...
[18:25:48] <PetefromTn_> Naah it's so low it would just ride right under hehe
[18:26:12] <LeelooMinai> Or you would get stuck and get dragged over the city for whole day:)
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[18:26:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah but at least you are outside gettng some fresh air!
[18:27:06] <CaptHindsight> maybe suction cups on your helmet to better attach yourself to the bottom of the trailer
[18:27:15] <LeelooMinai> Maybe you should at least have one of those flags on a pole so people can see you:)
[18:27:43] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: doesn't help
[18:27:47] <LeelooMinai> I don't think drivers expect bikes that are like half a meter high:)
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[18:28:11] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RwSXMZyXq0 Actually this is a nice carbon bike for everyday riding..
[18:28:22] <PetefromTn_> That other thing is a purpose built racing bike
[18:28:34] <PetefromTn_> just happened to be riding it on the roads in that video LOL...
[18:28:48] <CaptHindsight> I use to have a really low red convertible and old people would rear end me at stop lights
[18:29:00] <PetefromTn_> Miata?
[18:29:05] <CaptHindsight> alfa
[18:29:28] <PetefromTn_> nice
[18:30:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/spider-1966-up/149001d1250699498-1986-alfa-spider-air-conditioning-alfa1.jpg after the 3rd time I gave up
[18:31:00] <SpeedEvil> nice
[18:31:16] <SpeedEvil> Add massive bull-bars on the back, painted red :)
[18:31:31] <CaptHindsight> with strobes
[18:31:42] <CaptHindsight> people are too blind here
[18:31:54] <SpeedEvil> A bouncy castle that rapidly inflates when you drop below 5MPH
[18:32:03] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine being back on a motorcycle again here
[18:32:39] <CaptHindsight> collision sensor and rocket launcher
[18:33:02] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe/ballscrew.html
[18:33:10] <zeeshan> damn this page took 2 hours to do
[18:33:12] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAHvFxvOyY
[18:33:21] <zeeshan> at this rate my whole site will take a month!
[18:33:56] <Rab> zeeshan, it's hard work.
[18:34:04] <zeeshan> :{
[18:34:24] <Rab> That's why I only ever put up the inconsequential stuff.
[18:34:25] <PetefromTn_> I think if he reaches 88MPH he will be going back to the future LOL...
[18:34:46] <zeeshan> rab i think this will look good for a job application
[18:34:49] <zeeshan> putting it on the resume :D
[18:35:02] <zeeshan> rab link to your website? :D
[18:35:10] <Rab> zeeshan, I wish clicking a thumbnail would bring up a larger image. Like, this doesn't tell me a whole lot:
http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe/code_th.png
[18:35:15] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/
[18:35:22] <zeeshan> rab
[18:35:25] <zeeshan> i havent made those pages yet
[18:35:33] <Rab> zeeshan, okok
[18:35:34] <zeeshan> that right pane is a navigation pane for the sub page
[18:35:43] <zeeshan> only did the main lathe page
[18:35:44] <zeeshan> and ball screw
[18:36:25] <zeeshan> i like your layout
[18:36:51] <Rab> Thanks man, steal anything.
[18:37:53] <Rab> I copied the idea from this site, which I really think is the best-designed page on the web:
http://yaml.org/
[18:37:55] <zeeshan> that flashcut driver
[18:37:57] <zeeshan> is pretty interesting
[18:38:26] <zeeshan> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/fcdriver/image/IB462_lid.jpg
[18:38:27] <zeeshan> jeez
[18:38:28] <zeeshan> haha
[18:39:12] <Rab> Think so? I like that it's all off-the-shelf parts, using basically the reference design from the datasheet...I know if I fry the output, I can just order another one from Mouser for $5.
[18:39:23] <zeeshan> well the look of it
[18:39:26] <zeeshan> that heatsink design
[18:39:43] <zeeshan> yea they're no AMC
[18:39:45] <Rab> Yeah, it's a little weird.
[18:40:18] <Cromaglious> nice heatsink
[18:40:25] <Rab> I've found several different datasheets for IB462, by different companies. I think there's some nameless OEM putting them out for companies to rebrand.
[18:42:22] <Rab> I'd be interested to see the different between the IB462 (2A) and IB463 (3.5A).
[18:43:01] <zeeshan> rab this is a servo driver?
[18:43:13] <Rab> Haha, no, very basic stepper driver.
[18:44:40] <Rab> I'm going add switches to the FleshCut box to enable half-stepping of the drivers...kinda lame that they didn't wire that up.
[18:46:08] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3cvfR8Mzg Womens HPV world record....
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[18:48:21] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_:
http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviews/why-you-should-be-riding-steel-and-not-carbon
[18:48:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vG1bzY4JUw Interesting...
[18:48:56] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: ^^ from the steel bike frame makers
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[18:56:21] <PetefromTn_> its kind of funny you posted that. MOST recumbent bike frames are some sort of steel. The worlds fastest bikes are also typically steel framed faired bikes. They are also not exactly light either...
[18:57:22] <CaptHindsight> I think it's due to the lack of understanding how to make the tubes and how to bond the joints
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[18:58:54] <PetefromTn_> altho my favorite the Optima Baron is actually aluminum framed.
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[19:03:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140814-designer-james-novak-creates-stunning-3d-printed-bike-frame.html
[19:04:16] <CaptHindsight> I hear the print only took 4 months
[19:05:26] <CaptHindsight> was actually <2 days using SLA
[19:07:55] <Rab> Wonder which plane the frame was printed on.
[19:09:55] <CaptHindsight> most laser SLA printers have a larger XY than Z
[19:10:00] <PetefromTn_> WOW there is NO WAY I would ride that thing...
[19:10:36] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Top Gear went on one of their silly trips along the Bolivian road, there was a lot of swearing.
[19:10:40] <Rab> I doubt he would be willing to ride it either. ;)
[19:10:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I noticed there were not photos of anyone actually riding it heh
[19:12:28] <SpeedEvil> I mean - maybe if it was CF or really good steel
[19:12:36] <SpeedEvil> but even then I think more bracing would be needed
[19:13:04] <PetefromTn_> there is also about zero adjustment in that frame
[19:13:08] <jdh> looks springy
[19:13:09] <Rab> Very weird how the chain goes through the frame, and without much clearance. Seems like a recipe for catastrophic failure.
[19:13:26] <PetefromTn_> also no brakes!
[19:13:51] <PetefromTn_> Lots of bikes have the chain run thru the frame tho..
[19:14:42] <Rab> Chain vs resin
[19:16:01] <CaptHindsight> I want to see him riding it down that Bolivian road
[19:17:38] <CaptHindsight> "This is what happens when industrial designers delude themselves that they understand engineering. Please James, stick to detergent bottle design."
[19:17:49] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I found video of the bike testing
[19:17:50] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQDy50V0foc
[19:18:38] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhlt1fsnhVE HPV flight!!
[19:21:21] <CaptHindsight> so being launched from a giant slingshot that was pulled by 1K men doesn't count?
[19:22:06] <PetefromTn_> no but it sounds like fun!
[19:22:32] <SpeedEvil> It's really easy.
[19:22:54] <SpeedEvil> Small efficient diesel engine, and biodiesel from lipo
[19:22:57] <SpeedEvil> HPV
[19:23:09] <unfy> eat bacon, obtain flight
[19:23:19] <CaptHindsight> does humans used as fuel count?
[19:23:27] <PetefromTn_> you mean eat beans no?
[19:23:41] <unfy> if it's from lipo, bacon!
[19:24:09] <CaptHindsight> are there any bacon powered engines?
[19:24:19] <FinboySlick> Human powered helicopter was one of the student competitions at my university.
[19:24:33] <CaptHindsight> burn to heat water, steam but thats pretty inefficient
[19:25:18] <FinboySlick> http://www.humanpoweredhelicopters.org/helios/helios_fiche_technique.pdf
[19:26:12] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: was that before this project?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJq10EQkog
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[19:26:42] <ssi> FinboySlick: I always wanted to submit a human powered helicopter design which was just a small turbine helicopter
[19:26:47] <ssi> with pureed human as fuel
[19:26:50] <ssi> turbines will burn anything
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[19:27:15] <CaptHindsight> alternative burials
[19:27:29] <CaptHindsight> we pay you for your loved ones
[19:27:31] <witnit_> burial at stmosphere
[19:27:38] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Yes, it was early 2000s.
[19:27:46] <unfy> that pdf wants you to generate 0.8HP to fly ?
[19:27:55] <CaptHindsight> "Cash for Grandpas"
[19:28:13] <unfy> wikipedia says: When considering human-powered equipment, a healthy human can produce about 1.2 hp briefly (see orders of magnitude) and sustain about 0.1 hp indefinitely; trained athletes can manage up to about 2.5 hp briefly[15] and 0.3 hp for a period of several hours.
[19:28:59] <CaptHindsight> how about a horse powered one?
[19:29:06] <ssi> horses weigh too much
[19:29:07] <FinboySlick> unfy: The goal was to be at least n meters from the floor for about a minute.
[19:29:10] <ssi> power density is poor
[19:29:26] <CaptHindsight> maybe just horse legs then
[19:29:39] <ssi> lol
[19:29:43] <unfy> finboy: i can see a serious athlete being able to do that with the design (assuming it works), then
[19:29:47] <PetefromTn_> you guys kill me...
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[19:31:30] <FinboySlick> They developed some sort of wonder-tech for the human-powered submarine and were trying to apply it to the helicopter challenge.
[19:32:18] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure how it worked, it was a bit like an ECU for the human motor ;)
[19:33:59] <ssi> PetefromTn_: this NOVA vid you linked is very much like what my day to day life is like
[19:34:05] <ssi> except they have way awesomer mustaches and glasses
[19:34:25] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to move to north GA and work with you then.... that shit looks like fun!
[19:34:36] <ssi> it's fun!
[19:34:41] <ssi> I've wanted to build a cnc hotwire btw
[19:34:44] <ssi> for composite wings
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[19:35:37] <PetefromTn_> If I thought I could make some money on it I would be down there helping you I am having difficulty finding work around here no matter how much I beg LOL...
[19:36:04] <FinboySlick> Would sink-edm be difficult to homebrew?
[19:36:05] <ssi> I have a friend that works for an AE/ME subcontractor for the USAF in macon
[19:36:12] <FinboySlick> The mechanics aren't that complicated.
[19:36:15] <ssi> and he needs more good machine shop contractors
[19:36:23] <ssi> he wanted to use me for a project but my machine wasn't ready obviously
[19:36:46] <PetefromTn_> well like I said man I am ALWAYS open to looking at work for the machines...
[19:37:40] <Connor> Damn it. I had to park my SVU at the bottom of the drive way yesterday.. Today.. it won't start.. battery completely dead.
[19:38:12] <Connor> I'm thinking the increased exposure, and the fact that I have a Iphone as a GPS plugged in all the time caused it.
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[19:38:33] <PetefromTn_> jeeez that sucks... but probably
[19:38:48] <Connor> I've got the charger on it.. MAN it pegged it out.
[19:38:57] <Connor> It's a AMCO Gold Battery too.
[19:39:30] <jdh> Im hoping winter is over today
[19:39:40] <ssi> I wonder if they ever get this thing out of ground effect
[19:39:43] <ssi> ground effect is cheating
[19:40:33] <FinboySlick> jdh: I think you'll have to keep hoping for a little while.
[19:41:05] <Connor> ssi: ground effect ?
[19:41:21] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_(aerodynamics)
[19:41:31] <ssi> within a wingspan of the ground, drag is drastically reduced
[19:42:08] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it seems like it is too high to get any real ground effect
[19:42:33] <PetefromTn_> when it was out over the ocean it looked like it was at least 50 feet up or more...most of the time
[19:42:34] <ssi> it has like a 100' wingspan, and it's only been 30' or so off the ground that I've seen in the video thus far
[19:42:37] <ssi> still in the second one tho
[19:42:57] <Tom_itx> Connor, i've got fwd/rev spindle working with the C6 now
[19:43:04] <Connor> Tom_itx: Nice.
[19:43:05] <PetefromTn_> they actually broke all records for human powered flight with it. shattered them more like it..
[19:43:17] <ssi> sure... it's a hard problem
[19:43:27] <ssi> just sayin that ground effect is cheating :)
[19:43:34] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: ask tjtr33
[19:44:20] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if it is cheating really. It IS the most efficient means of flight after all
[19:45:02] <Connor> I wish I had a start booster..
[19:45:20] <ssi> yeah and coasting downhill is the most efficient means of ground transport
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[19:45:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo
[19:45:37] <ssi> I bet I can set the world record for human powered ground transport
[19:45:41] <ssi> if I can coast downhill infinitely :)
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[19:55:10] <PetefromTn_> I wouldn't doubt it hehe
[19:56:04] <PetefromTn_> there is a LONG hill near my house coming down from the top of the world area and it is a relativley long straight road. I know a couple people who have taken bikes down it..
[19:56:22] <PetefromTn_> I think if I went down it on my recumbent bike I would probably crash and die...
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[19:57:03] <PetefromTn_> but I still have wondered what it would be like....just going down short hills on that thing feels like 90MPH... that would be insane fast down that hill...
[19:57:27] <PetefromTn_> even in my truck I can coast for miles after leaving the steep curvy part...
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[20:04:47] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCl3lfAx1Q Having spent MANY hours as a navigator in C-130 aircraft I simply cannot imagine what this must have been like...INSANE!!
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[20:09:43] <tjtr33> FinboySlick,
https://videobin.org/+8ku/bfq.html
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[20:13:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/EN-US/DIVISIONS/EFD/PRODUCTS/VALVE-SYSTEMS/SPRAY-VALVES/Pages/general-purpose-spray-valve.aspx they want $1650 for this spray valve
[20:14:22] <Cromaglious> for work it's a tax write off, and if you can afford that, then you can afford the tax write off
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[20:15:15] <PetefromTn_> what are you going to do with these valves Capt? Is this for your wild color anodizing stuff?
[20:15:50] <CaptHindsight> coating small parts with minimal loss of material
[20:16:33] <CaptHindsight> looks like I'll have to make them since I need a few hundred
[20:16:51] <tjtr33> sink edm machine porn, 7 axis for aero
http://www.yawjet.com/en/product/7-Axes-CNC-EDM/7axes_cnc_edm.html
[20:16:52] <PetefromTn_> wow
[20:17:18] <PetefromTn_> are you going to use the airbrush carcasses you were looking into earlier.
[20:17:25] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, hack fuel injectors?
[20:17:38] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: done that as well
[20:17:51] <CaptHindsight> might again for the actuator
[20:18:12] <CaptHindsight> just add nozzle and air cap
[20:18:13] <PetefromTn_> it sounds like you get to play with some cool and interesting projects...JEALOUS!!
[20:18:25] <ssi> PetefromTn_: the jet assist landing stuff was a terrible idea haha
[20:18:39] <PetefromTn_> actually they did use it a good bit.
[20:18:46] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: hurry up with the lathe maybe you can machine them for me :)
[20:18:51] <PetefromTn_> just that extreme version failed..
[20:18:59] <PetefromTn_> seriously...!
[20:19:03] <MattyMatt> anyone want 13 tons of capstan lathes?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-Lot-Metal-Working-Machines-Lathes-drills-grinders-Ect/391057502857
[20:19:04] <PetefromTn_> I am working on it man..
[20:19:16] <ssi> they used JATO a lot, but I don't think JAL vreally ever got used beyond the failed tests
[20:19:17] <PetefromTn_> waiting for cash from tax return right now tho..
[20:19:42] <PetefromTn_> our planes were actually equipped with the jato parts but of course we never used them.
[20:19:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/en-us/divisions/efd/Literature/Manuals/Valve-Systems/Valves/Nordson-EFD-781S-SS-Maintenance-Guide.pdf look at page 2 for the parts
[20:20:06] <ssi> I didn't know you were a herc navigator
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[20:20:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah was for a couple years
[20:20:29] <PetefromTn_> also radio and avionicsmen...
[20:20:39] <PetefromTn_> Don't remember shit about it now tho hehe..
[20:20:46] <ssi> heheh
[20:21:18] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: DIg deeper into the memory - maybe you were an astronaut too:)
[20:21:24] <PetefromTn_> I flew all around US, to Hawaii, guam, fiji, up to alaska, down to South America and Baja Peninsula etc..
[20:21:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/en-us/divisions/efd/Literature/Manuals/Valve-Systems/Valves/Nordson-EFD-787MS-Maintenance-Guid.pdf $1250 for the smaller ones
[20:21:54] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai you don't believe me?
[20:22:08] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: No, I do, why not - j/k
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[20:22:16] <PetefromTn_> I have pictures!!
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[20:22:37] <PetefromTn_> ;)
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[20:22:52] <LeelooMinai> When I played EVE online there was many former pilots playing it - go figure:)
[20:23:06] <PetefromTn_> not familiar with that.
[20:23:16] <PetefromTn_> Used to play Myst and Riven tho hehe
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[20:23:30] <PetefromTn_> kinda wish I still had it that was fun stuff.
[20:23:35] <ssi> I haven't tried eve, but I would like to
[20:23:43] <ssi> also that other one that I think Loetmichel plays
[20:23:45] <LeelooMinai> It's a sandbox space game - pretty complicated and massive
[20:23:49] <ssi> adjective: adjective or whatever
[20:23:58] <ssi> elite:dangerous
[20:24:25] <LeelooMinai> Run by a company in Icland called CCP
[20:24:37] <PetefromTn_> My wife enjoyed Myst and Riven too in fact she was talking about trying to get a copy again to play with. we never did finish any of them LOL
[20:24:42] <ssi> yea a friend of mine is dating a guy that works for CCP
[20:24:46] <ssi> he was living here in atlanta for a minute
[20:24:57] <ssi> then he moved back to iceland and took her with him
[20:25:20] <Loetmichel> ssi: elite:dangerous
[20:25:25] <ssi> ya
[20:25:28] <ssi> it looks interesting
[20:25:29] <PetefromTn_> he musta been a helluva guy to move to freakin' iceland with him LOL
[20:25:36] <LeelooMinai> I played it for year or two, but had to go "cold turkey" to concentrate on hobby stuff. But if I had two lives I would still play it:)
[20:25:39] <ssi> I'm also fond of kerbal space program
[20:25:45] <skunkworks> gog.com (good old games)
[20:26:01] <MattyMatt> conner have you seen car batteries replaced by supercaps? they sound more dependable for cold starting, if you don't run them flat of course
[20:26:46] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: problems of supercaps is that you have one or two starting trys
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[20:26:48] <Loetmichel> tries
[20:26:58] <MattyMatt> arr
[20:27:03] <Loetmichel> because the have much less capacity than a lead-acid block
[20:27:07] <Cromaglious> I'm not looking forward to changing my starter in my cadillac
[20:27:09] <MattyMatt> I'd have batteries+ caps
[20:27:19] <Loetmichel> although thei do not have the problem of high cold resistance
[20:27:23] <Cromaglious> new battery, new alternator
[20:27:35] <Loetmichel> bateris AND caps is the master way, yes
[20:27:51] <Cromaglious> the only thing left iss the starter. It's in the V under the intake manifold
[20:27:57] <MattyMatt> in severe cold, even a new battery struggles to deliver high current
[20:28:12] <Cromaglious> it's 71 outside
[20:28:31] * Loetmichel has started his 2.5 liter 6cyl diesel successfully with a 4 cell 2300mAh Liefepo4 pack frommy copters
[20:28:31] <MattyMatt> with both, you could use the caps, then let them trickle charge from the battery
[20:28:43] <Loetmichel> multiple times, even in the -10° cold
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[20:29:06] <Loetmichel> just have the pack in your trisers pocet bnefore connecting it to the dead lead acid battery ;-)
[20:29:23] <Loetmichel> trousers pocket for a while to warm it up
[20:30:24] <Loetmichel> these packs:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11184
[20:30:24] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4900064581.html Good deal I think..
[20:30:25] <MattyMatt> I has a 1980s citroen with a starting handle
[20:30:29] <MattyMatt> that was handy
[20:30:37] <MattyMatt> had
[20:30:46] <Loetmichel> try that on a big engine
[20:30:58] * Loetmichel friends had 2 tatra 813
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[20:31:10] <Loetmichel> (17.5 liters V12 diesel)
[20:31:34] <Loetmichel> which had a starting crank provided...
[20:31:38] <Loetmichel> for four people ;-)
[20:32:01] <Loetmichel> we tried it once in the summer
[20:32:19] <MattyMatt> all vehicles have that, it's called "you 3 get behind and push"
[20:32:21] <Loetmichel> nearly impossible to get the engine running even with 4 work hardened 100kg guys ;-)
[20:32:28] <furrywolf> I have a hard enough time starting my pull-cord generator.
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[20:32:50] <furrywolf> MattyMatt: unless they have a non-real gearbox, in which case you're screwed.
[20:33:04] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: i meant an actual crank you could plug in the front onf the engines Flywheel
[20:33:11] <Loetmichel> to turn the engine
[20:33:41] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: tatra 813 are 19 ton 4 axle trucks
[20:33:42] <MattyMatt> on the citroen it was also the wheel brace
[20:33:50] <Loetmichel> good lick with pushing them ;-)
[20:33:56] <Loetmichel> luck
[20:35:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/tatra_1_koffer_16.html <- there you can see the hole for the crank (above the tow coupling)
[20:35:26] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions.png http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions%202.png not nearly as easy as they make it sound. at all. the happy little engine they show? it actually hates you.
[20:35:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/tatra_1_koffer_17.html <- full RV ;-)
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[20:36:31] <Loetmichel> (yes, we made a mobile home of it ;-)
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[20:36:53] <furrywolf> lol
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[20:36:58] <_methods> now that's an RV
[20:36:59] <furrywolf> I want to make an rv out of an expandovan.
[20:37:01] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: you should eat mor german food ;)
[20:37:49] <_methods> german invasion RV lol
[20:38:14] <Loetmichel> how about this one, _methods? ->
http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/man_630_l2a_fertig_35.html
[20:38:30] <Loetmichel> inside:
http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/630_l2a_innen.html
[20:38:38] <_methods> nice
[20:38:59] <furrywolf> http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/bigmak1987/my%20Future%20RV/deployment013.jpg one of those. forget having a little popout... both sides extend out the full length of the truck.
[20:39:55] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: we used to drive them to maroc, algeria, libya, west sahara
[20:40:00] <Loetmichel> for vacation ;)
[20:40:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/595801/fullsize/van13.jpg
[20:40:53] <ssi> speaking of RVs
[20:40:57] <ssi> Loetmichel: I'm buying another airplane :P
[20:41:00] <Loetmichel> ... in full comfort of course, we are germans after all ;-)
[20:42:20] <_methods> now that's a van
[20:42:32] <PetefromTn_> exactly...
[20:42:41] <Loetmichel> i remember one trip to libya, where whe had to hire a local to tell us the way... ( libyans seem not to know abut gps at that time)... we made camp in the evening in the middle of the desert, and the driver asked the locad if he wanted to shower, too...
[20:42:52] <Loetmichel> local: "what SHOPERING? HERE?"
[20:42:56] <Loetmichel> "yes"
[20:43:09] <Loetmichel> local" HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU HAVE?"
[20:43:16] <PetefromTn_> You gotta be freakin' insane to go to Libya for vacation man...
[20:43:21] <Loetmichel> <- "only about 3000 liters per truck, why?
[20:43:21] <ssi> agreed
[20:44:18] <Loetmichel> it was 10+ years ago, there still was gaddafi at the top, it was reaonably safe then
[20:44:47] <PetefromTn_> did you at least have a 50 cal cannot on top of that thing?
[20:44:53] <Loetmichel> no
[20:44:59] <PetefromTn_> no machine guns?
[20:45:07] <Loetmichel> germany allows no weapons for private ppl
[20:45:08] <PetefromTn_> not even a pineapple?
[20:45:21] <Loetmichel> no machine weapons
[20:45:21] <ssi> only for extroverts?
[20:45:50] <Loetmichel> we encountered one roadblock on our journey
[20:45:50] <PetefromTn_> I must say Loetmichel you have balls as big as church bells my friend ;)
[20:46:05] <ssi> PetefromTn_: everybody you know has balls as big as church bells apparently!
[20:46:12] <Loetmichel> 2 landrovers and 20 ppl with assault rifles
[20:46:12] <ssi> or is it just me and loet
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[20:46:23] <PetefromTn_> apparently or maybe I am just a pussy hehehe
[20:46:27] <ssi> maybe! :D
[20:46:28] <Loetmichel> driver did pedal to the metal and lowered the cow bar...
[20:46:41] <Loetmichel> i have never seen a roadlock cleaned SO fast ;-)
[20:46:54] <Loetmichel> still dont know if that was bandits or police ;-)
[20:47:03] <Deejay> hrhrhr
[20:47:17] <ssi> and here I thought I was being adventurous by going to canada
[20:47:34] <PetefromTn_> might be just as bad LOL
[20:47:37] <Deejay> hi PetefromTn_ btw \o/
[20:47:40] <ssi> you ever piss off a moose?!
[20:47:42] <ssi> it's srs
[20:47:47] <PetefromTn_> HEY DEEJAY!!!
[20:47:57] <Deejay> argh, stop shouting that loud ;)
[20:47:58] <PetefromTn_> how do you do the hands up thing?
[20:48:11] <ssi> lol pete srsly?!
[20:48:12] <furrywolf> I went across the US in an old US military vehicle. the only roadblock was the US police. twice.
[20:48:20] <Loetmichel> i think the roadblock people saw two military trucks in khaki flooring it screaming in at their positon and the leading one lowering his ramming bar to 45°... they thought therer comes the army ;-)
[20:48:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I can't find left one..
[20:48:44] <ssi> it's in different places on different keyboards :P
[20:48:49] <PetefromTn_> \o/
[20:48:52] <PetefromTn_> WOOHOO
[20:48:53] <ssi> there ya go!
[20:48:54] <ssi> now try this one
[20:48:55] <ssi> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[20:49:04] <PetefromTn_> dafuq?
[20:49:07] <Loetmichel> harhar
[20:49:15] <ssi> ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ) settle down!
[20:49:23] <Loetmichel> btw: ever heard a tatra 813 at full throttle?
[20:49:26] <PetefromTn_> settle down nah!
[20:49:28] <ssi> ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻
[20:49:41] <furrywolf> ¡ǝuo sᴉɥʇ ʎɹʇ ʍoN :ǝʇǝԀ
[20:49:47] <ssi> !!
[20:49:56] <PetefromTn_> How the hell do you guys do that shit?
[20:49:59] <Deejay> hrhr
[20:50:01] <ssi> furry wins
[20:50:08] <Deejay> thought the same, ssi
[20:50:11] <furrywolf> me? I'm lazy and went to
http://www.upsidedowntext.com/ :P
[20:50:11] <Deejay> ;)
[20:50:26] <PetefromTn_> just copy and paste from there then?
[20:50:29] <furrywolf> yep
[20:50:31] <ssi> ƃuᴉzɐɯɐ sᴉ sᴉɥʇ
[20:50:35] <PetefromTn_> thats cheatin'
[20:50:38] <Tom_itx> well it's all garbage on my screen
[20:50:48] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: your unicode must be broken
[20:50:56] <ssi> l2unicodeplx
[20:50:57] <PetefromTn_> you guys crack me up man..
[20:51:24] <ssi> ⓦⓗⓐⓣ ⓐⓑⓞⓤⓣ ⓣⓗⓘⓢ ⓞⓝⓔ
[20:51:30] <ssi> not so good in a monospace font
[20:51:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah is it supposed to say something?
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[20:51:44] <ssi> ⓨ ⓔ ⓢ
[20:51:46] <furrywolf> ssi: that didn't render here
[20:51:52] <furrywolf> nor that
[20:51:53] <PetefromTn_> no not that one the other ones
[20:51:55] <ssi> renders on my terminal
[20:52:02] <_methods> that's all that matters lol
[20:52:06] <ssi> maybe getting lost enroute somewhere
[20:52:18] <PetefromTn_> it says what about this one and yes
[20:52:23] <ssi> yep
[20:52:31] <PetefromTn_> but what about the other stuff
[20:52:42] <ssi> what, the upside down stuff?
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[20:52:54] <PetefromTn_> is that what it is?
[20:52:59] <malcom2073> renders on mine
[20:53:02] <PetefromTn_> no not the upside down stuff
[20:53:11] <PetefromTn_> the crazy charachters before that
[20:53:16] <ssi> the tableflips?
[20:53:29] <_methods> whatever
[20:53:30] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell is that?
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[20:53:34] <malcom2073> ⓗⓘ ⓢⓢ ⓘ
[20:53:42] <MattyMatt> I can read ⓣⓗⓘⓢ ⓞⓝⓔ
[20:53:43] <PetefromTn_> Ooohhh
[20:53:53] <ssi> the bubble font crams together on my terminal
[20:53:58] <ssi> hard to read, but it's rendered
[20:53:59] <_methods> you guys and your crazy fonts
[20:54:13] <PetefromTn_> how do you do that?
[20:54:17] <furrywolf> bubble font?
[20:54:21] <ssi> with that link furry pasted
[20:54:24] <ssi> there's a bubble font tab
[20:54:30] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cptOpseUXjM#t=29 <- try that, dont find a better one now
[20:54:49] <PetefromTn_> ⓄⒽ ⓄⓀⒶⓎ!!
[20:55:01] <CaptHindsight> it's ascii hour! please no floods
[20:55:02] <ssi> heheh
[20:55:13] <_methods> ascii goatse
[20:55:14] <PetefromTn_> ⒸⓄⓄⓄⓄⓁ
[20:55:42] <Deejay> Loetmichel, i would estimate a full pull?
[20:55:45] <ssi> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[20:55:51] <Loetmichel> Deejay: sure
[20:55:57] <Deejay> *expect
[20:56:01] <_methods> FOOBAR
[20:56:09] <Deejay> yeah, nice smoke :)
[20:56:19] <Loetmichel> i meant the sound of the engine
[20:56:23] <MattyMatt> 𝕿𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖎𝖘 𝖌𝖔𝖔𝖉
[20:56:24] <PetefromTn_> ssi you gonna name your new plane the good ship lollipop?
[20:56:29] <Loetmichel> if ti revs up to fuill it sounds like a hjet engine
[20:56:33] <ssi> um, hadn't planned on it
[20:56:53] <CaptHindsight> ye olde fonts
[20:57:01] <Deejay> indeed, for a moment i thought "hey, wheres the jet engine?"
[20:57:02] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a good name no?
[20:57:15] <ssi> no?
[20:57:35] <PetefromTn_> how about the flyin' yellow submarine?
[20:57:41] <ssi> but it's not yellow!
[20:57:49] <PetefromTn_> it could be!!
[20:57:51] <Loetmichel> Deejay: it has an air colled engine with a two stage compressor on the front
[20:57:53] <ssi> and wouldnt' that be more of a supermarine?
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[20:57:56] <Cromaglious> http://mrsmosesmapcompany.com is the page I'm working on
[20:57:58] <ssi> someone already has that name :)
[20:57:58] <Loetmichel> thats where the sound comes from ;-)
[20:58:06] <PetefromTn_> you can call it ekranoplan!!
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[20:58:28] <ssi> but it is capable of getting out of ground effect!
[20:58:32] <ssi> and I know I'm a fatass but cmon man
[20:58:50] <Cromaglious> fixing the picture I notices some issues
[20:58:58] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[21:00:07] <Cromaglious> the bridge, bus and map are all lowres from the pdf
[21:01:36] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/Dt61k8g.jpg
[21:04:50] <Cromaglious> hehe
[21:06:42] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did any of those older injector have an easy way to swap out nozzles?
http://www.rceng.com/images/rc/Injector_Service3_L.jpg
[21:07:17] <Loetmichel> there you can hear it better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-opfNsCF320#t=140
[21:08:18] <Loetmichel> imagine TWO of them coming at you at 90kpha, spewing out black cluds and loering their ramming bars ;)
[21:08:23] <Loetmichel> kph
[21:08:25] <MacGalempsy> hello
[21:09:03] <Loetmichel> ... screaming at top RPM ;)
[21:09:17] <_methods> lederhosen all over the place
[21:11:54] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTc0WDY4NQ==/z/-3IAAOxy3HJTGJeD/$_57.JPG these must come apart
[21:12:17] <Cromaglious> nice! Russians make some killer trucks.. though once you get them new from the factory, you have to take it to a shop that takes it apart and puts it back together right
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[21:14:43] <Cromaglious> linuxcnc now at version 2.6.6
[21:14:55] <Cromaglious> my machine just upgraded it
[21:16:07] <Loetmichel> Cromaglious: we had one tour where whe had to change the valves 4 times
[21:16:22] <Loetmichel> because of a leak in the air intake after the filter, it ingested desert sand
[21:16:34] <Loetmichel> so we know how to fix them
[21:16:49] <Loetmichel> and they are easy fix if you have a big hammer and an arc welder ;-)
[21:17:58] <Deejay> hrhr, solid russian technology? ;)
[21:18:29] <PetefromTn_> One word......PINZGAUER!!!
http://www.autofoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Thor-Movie-Truck.jpg
[21:19:12] <Deejay> unimog ftw!!
[21:19:24] <PetefromTn_> MOG works too....
[21:19:36] * Deejay has two of them: http://zugtier.info/traktoren/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/unimog-406-01.jpg
[21:19:37] <Deejay> :)
[21:19:57] <PetefromTn_> NO SHIT!! Man I am SO jealous..
[21:20:02] <Deejay> hehe
[21:20:18] <PetefromTn_> ya see that I KNEW there was something I liked about you man hehe
[21:20:29] <Deejay> but they are older than i am... nearly 40 years
[21:20:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah but will still climb over or thru anything probably...
[21:21:04] <Deejay> yip! :)
[21:21:33] <PetefromTn_> there is a local guy that has one and he takes it to Home depot for wood supplies as it is mostly a bigass flatbed.
[21:22:17] <PetefromTn_> does yours have 16 forward gears??
[21:22:19] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[21:22:22] <Cromaglious> ohh that video was the Czech Tatra 813
[21:22:40] <Deejay> uh, not sure how many gears they have. too many to count
[21:22:46] <Cromaglious> kinda be kewl to tool around in a 12x12 Tatra
[21:23:12] <PetefromTn_> portal axles....DROOL!!
[21:23:14] <Cromaglious> 4x4 = 16 and 4 reverse
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[21:23:44] <Cromaglious> corvair of heavy trucks
[21:23:49] <Cromaglious> swing axles
[21:24:00] <Cromaglious> air cooled diesel
[21:24:55] <Deejay> should be more than 24 gears (still counting)
[21:25:09] <PetefromTn_> thats insane...
[21:25:45] <PetefromTn_> I used to build and four wheel Suzuki Samurai's and always wanted a LWB one.. They never brought them here to the USA.
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[21:26:10] <Cromaglious> got really good at fixing cast iron intakes didn't you?
[21:27:25] <PetefromTn_> who?
[21:27:36] <Cromaglious> buddy of mine in Missiouri used to keep one in the back of his Ford 1ton long bed... His backup vehicle for when he needed to go get recues in his big truck
[21:28:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pnw4x4s.com/forum/Garage/uploads/cache/garage_gallery_397371601.jpg?lbisphpreq=1
[21:28:58] <Cromaglious> nicely done!
[21:29:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah I WISH that was mine LOL
[21:29:47] <Cromaglious> everyone with a Samurai I know had to fix thier intake and exhaust manifolds at least once every 4 years
[21:30:59] <PetefromTn_> honestly I had over six different samurais and NEVER had a problem with engines on them... Broke other stuff tho.
[21:31:22] <Cromaglious> cage on that is aweful (old sense FULL of awe)
[21:31:43] <Cromaglious> aweful is a great word... dunn why it got the opposite meaning
[21:37:10] <Deejay> hmm, awesome
[21:38:09] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoyed my samurai's...
[21:38:26] <PetefromTn_> had a bunch of them in various different configurations over the years.
[21:38:41] <PetefromTn_> they are about the perfect vehicle for the tight twisty trails around here.
[21:41:57] <PetefromTn_> apparently today is the COLDEST day on record here in Tennessee....
[21:42:28] <jdh> winter sucks
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[21:43:07] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell does...
[21:43:43] <Deejay> good night, guys!
[21:44:20] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 Deejay!
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[21:49:31] <MacGalempsy> well, the relay board needed a mod, but its now a sourcing board!
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[21:50:31] <furrywolf> I have a subaru for little twisty trails... and a 5/4 ton jeep pickup for when brute force is the answer. :)
[21:50:40] <Cromaglious> bbiab just got my 4gb memory for this machine
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[21:52:07] <MacGalempsy> PCW:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16407702220/ problem solved!
[21:53:07] <MacGalempsy> now time to change to colored wires to limit the confusion
[21:55:19] <unfy> mac: was gonna suggest that as well
[21:55:31] <unfy> (go to standardized colors)
[21:55:34] <furrywolf> I've never owned a sammy, but from what I've seen, they're not bad offroad.
[21:56:40] <PetefromTn_> if you build them right they can go about anywhere really...
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[21:59:13] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/aHSJzq9.jpg This was my last one I actually daily drove it to work every day LOL...
[21:59:44] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: that short wheelbase and big tires reminds me of that pucker-factor you were talking about last night
[22:00:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah everyone says that but you would me amazed where that little truck has been hehe
[22:00:21] <PetefromTn_> that was actually when I first got it lifted..
[22:00:21] <furrywolf> bah. I need to either repair, re-motor, or replace my air compressor.
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[22:00:44] <furrywolf> only thing I have lifted right now is one of my subies.
[22:01:44] <furrywolf> only 2". I should have done 3". probably will re-lift.
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[22:02:39] <furrywolf> my truck has 38.5" swampers on it, but no lift.
[22:02:57] <PetefromTn_> Those were the 35" boggers on that zuki...
[22:03:05] <Cromaglious> hmmm missing 1 GB ugh... I'll fix it later
[22:03:37] <furrywolf> next time I get tires, I'll probably go for 42".
[22:03:48] <furrywolf> the 38.5s still look little.
[22:04:11] <furrywolf> but I'll need either wheel spacers or new rims to run taller+wider without rubbing the springs up front.
[22:06:51] <furrywolf> I'll probably go for recentered hmmwv rims
[22:07:56] <PetefromTn_> I'll tell ya what one thing is nice about the Zuks tho is they have awesome heaters in them!!
[22:08:57] <furrywolf> lol
[22:09:10] <furrywolf> I put a '80s ford truck heater in my '68 jeep pickup.
[22:09:27] <furrywolf> with the aid of some cutting and plastic welding.
[22:10:33] <furrywolf> stock it had no heater.
[22:10:44] <furrywolf> and oem heaters are ungodly expensive.
[22:13:16] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
[22:13:42] <brlcad> anyone going to midwest reprap fest?
[22:13:50] <brlcad> (or at it already)
[22:14:15] <_methods> lol
[22:14:42] <_methods> filament fetish convention
[22:14:57] <Cromaglious> I usually go with the skinniest tires I can get with adequate road holding grip
[22:15:17] <brlcad> ah, march 20 not feb 20 .. month early
[22:15:18] <Cromaglious> better mileage and I do better in snow with them
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[22:20:51] <cnc> hallo an alle die mich verstehen
[22:21:16] <PetefromTn_> mich who?
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[22:21:38] <_methods> lich mich stichen
[22:21:52] <_methods> :)
[22:21:59] <cnc> ??
[22:22:13] <cnc> danke für antwort
[22:22:17] <_methods> yo no hablo espanol
[22:22:34] <cnc> ich suche auf diesem weg hilfe
[22:23:18] <_methods> $8.8million
[22:23:27] <_methods> for esplodin kittay
[22:23:44] <cnc> I'm need help but my English not good
[22:24:05] <_methods> i think there are some german's on here
[22:24:12] <_methods> Loetmichel:
[22:24:14] <Cromaglious> neither is mine.. Then again I'm american
[22:24:57] <Loetmichel> cnc: wo ist das problem?
[22:25:35] <cnc> ach wie schön
[22:25:39] <cnc> ja
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[22:25:52] <cnc> wo soll ich anfangen
[22:26:12] <Loetmichel> am besten im query ich glaub nicht daß hier deutsch so gern gesehen wird
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[22:26:25] <cnc> habe 5i25 und 7i77 endcoder laufen
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[22:26:39] <Loetmichel> oh, dann bin ich eh raus.
[22:26:48] <Loetmichel> <- LPT-port user
[22:26:49] <Loetmichel> sorry
[22:26:56] <cnc> aber die ports für die motoren gehn nicht
[22:27:08] <Loetmichel> versuche es auf englisch.
[22:27:11] <cnc> kein signal messbar
[22:27:27] <Loetmichel> die jungs hier geben sich echt mühe "denglisch" zu verstehen
[22:28:10] <cnc> ok
[22:28:22] <Loetmichel> for the others around: he uses 5 i25 and 7i77 but he cant get any signal out of the motor ports
[22:28:37] <cnc> wer kennt pncconf
[22:29:12] <_methods> from teh 7i77?
[22:29:21] <cnc> wie was wo dort gemach wird
[22:29:38] <Loetmichel> cnc: _methods fragt von welcher karte
[22:29:41] <cnc> yes i hav 7i77
[22:29:42] <Loetmichel> die motorports
[22:30:01] <_methods> he's getting no signal coming out of the 7i77 to the servos?
[22:30:25] <cnc> my broblem
[22:30:26] <_methods> damn sorry i have to go pcw_home should be able to help you though
[22:30:52] <Loetmichel> _methods: as he builds the damn things i hope so ;-)
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[22:31:09] <cnc> ?
[22:31:36] <PCW> The analog outputs not working maybe?
[22:31:39] <Loetmichel> cnc: pcw_home ist einer der hersteller der Karten
[22:32:13] <Loetmichel> PCW: sound like it but cnc is a bit quiet about details as you can see ;-.)
[22:32:25] <cnc> aha dann wüste er garantiert was
[22:32:30] <Loetmichel> cnc: beschreibe einfach mal was genu nicht klappt und dann übersetze ich das
[22:32:43] <Loetmichel> genau
[22:33:17] <PetefromTn_> wonder if his drives were like mine and he needed to jumper the enable pins
[22:33:22] <Loetmichel> pcw fragte ob die analogen ausgänge zu den servos der karte nicht funkitonieren
[22:33:37] <cnc> ja
[22:33:46] <Loetmichel> <- finger sortieren ich muss ;-)
[22:34:05] <cnc> und signale sind ach nicht messbar
[22:34:43] <Loetmichel> PCW: he says the analog poerts are simply dead, no signals measureable at all
[22:35:09] <cnc> und der fehler "joint 1 following erro
[22:35:18] <PCW> is linuxcnc running
[22:35:25] <cnc> jap
[22:35:26] <Loetmichel> cnc: das ist normal wenn die motoren nicht arbeiten
[22:35:49] <PCW> are the 7I77 enables on?
[22:36:02] <cnc> welche
[22:36:11] <cnc> who
[22:36:49] <cnc> my endcoder works
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[22:37:07] <cnc> but TB5 no signal
[22:37:43] <Loetmichel> cnc: pcw fragt ob die enable eingänge auf der 7i77 eingeschaltet sind.
[22:37:52] <PetefromTn_> I had to jumper pin 1 to pin3 I think to get it working or something on my machine....
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[22:38:03] <PCW> Thats expected if there's no command or no enable
[22:38:36] <Loetmichel> cnc Int pete sagt daß er pin1 und pin3 brücken musste damit die karte funktioniert
[22:38:44] <Loetmichel> cnc und pete
[22:38:59] <PetefromTn_> not sure what is his setup tho..
[22:39:22] <PetefromTn_> I guess it depends a lot on the drives he is using and what they need to see of course
[22:39:24] <zeeshan> my german friends !
[22:39:31] <zeeshan> can you reship soomething from germany to canada!
[22:39:32] <zeeshan> :D
[22:39:43] <cnc> :)
[22:39:44] <PCW> what is the state of hm2-5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena ?
[22:40:01] <cpresser> zeeshan: sure.. need metric stuff? :P
[22:40:15] <zeeshan> haha no, we have metric
[22:40:18] <zeeshan> i need mikron parts
[22:40:18] <PCW> sorry hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[22:40:27] <zeeshan> specifically a mikron manual
[22:40:33] <zeeshan> but the damn person wont ship it outside germany
[22:40:34] <zeeshan> :(
[22:41:26] <cnc> ???
[22:42:38] <cnc> confused
[22:43:10] <JT-Shop> that's the state I live in
[22:43:29] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: its because you decided to be a 3d printer fan boi
[22:43:31] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:43:52] <Cromaglious> Zeeshan braucht eine Handbuchaus Deutschland nach Kanada versendet . Die Deutsch Anbieter versenden nicht nach Kanada
[22:43:53] <cnc> no cnc
[22:43:54] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:44:06] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: were any of those older injectors rebuild-able or could you change the nozzles?
http://www.rceng.com/images/rc/Injector_Service3_L.jpg
[22:44:20] <Cromaglious> google translate
[22:44:21] <PetefromTn_> someone needs to explain to him in German how to access his Hal pins for that 7i77 analog enable.
[22:45:02] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, it's in config.hal ?
[22:45:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so.
[22:45:16] <Cromaglious> or MyMill.hal or what ever he called it
[22:45:57] <PetefromTn_> me no sprechen doitsch unfortunately...LOL
[22:46:17] <PCW> in a terminal when linuxcnc is running type
[22:46:18] <PCW> halcmd show pin hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[22:46:25] <cnc> bei jedem kanal brücken
[22:46:25] <cnc> logisch oder ??
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[22:46:49] <cnc> ok i have doing
[22:47:16] <cnc> now
[22:47:31] <Cromaglious> bei jedem kanal brcken = Bridges in channel
[22:47:46] <cnc> Owner Type Dir Value Name
[22:47:47] <cnc> 12 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena <== x-enable
[22:47:57] <zeeshan> dun dun dun. :)
[22:48:20] <PCW> OK well you will not get any analog out until that is true
[22:49:41] <cnc> now everyone, thank you very much
[22:49:54] <Cromaglious> de nada amigo
[22:49:56] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: honestly
[22:50:01] <zeeshan> ive never heard of an injector being rebuilt
[22:50:07] <zeeshan> they change pintle caps
[22:50:12] <zeeshan> they sometimes replace the pintles
[22:50:22] <zeeshan> the remove the filters on the inlet side
[22:50:28] <zeeshan> and ultrasonic clean em
[22:50:29] <zeeshan> thats about it
[22:50:35] <alex4nder> places drill them out as well, and then characterize the new flow rates
[22:50:44] <zeeshan> yes but thats hax
[22:50:48] <cnc> ??
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[22:51:49] <alex4nder> zeeshan: so is methanol injection, raising fuel pressure, and unmetered nitrous, but people still do it. ;)
[22:51:58] <zeeshan> my only problem with it
[22:52:01] <Cromaglious> Sie werden ber Injektoren fr ein Auto oder einen industriellen Prozess Ich wei nicht, welcher spricht.
[22:52:04] <zeeshan> is the injector spray pattern gets messed
[22:52:11] <zeeshan> you get more droplets vs atomization
[22:52:28] <alex4nder> yah, you can't just drill a big hole and expect it to work
[22:52:37] <zeeshan> redneck engineering
[22:52:39] <zeeshan> ftw
[22:53:07] <zeeshan> for very large injectors
[22:53:11] <zeeshan> i like those injector dynamics injectors
[22:53:12] <zeeshan> theyre fancy
[22:53:19] <zeeshan> and those guys have real engineers! :P
[22:53:21] <alex4nder> paul yaw is a flake though
[22:53:29] <zeeshan> whats that
[22:53:47] <alex4nder> the guy who runs injector dynamics
[22:54:12] <zeeshan> oh
[22:54:13] <zeeshan> never heard
[22:54:15] <zeeshan> http://injectordynamics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Injector_Dynamics_Testing.jpg
[22:54:19] <alex4nder> they talk a big game, but then when things don't work as expected, for whatever reason, he's hard to get ahold of
[22:54:21] <zeeshan> i just get impressed when i see real testing equipment
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[23:00:06] <cnc> joint 1 following error
[23:00:14] <cnc> was ist das
[23:00:23] <zeeshan> servo trying to run away?
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[23:01:08] <cnc> no
[23:01:26] <PetefromTn_> is motor attatched to machine?
[23:02:27] <cnc> in momend i only work with 7i77
[23:02:55] <PetefromTn_> if no motor is attached and you attempt movement you will get a following error..
[23:03:02] <cnc> and look for signal on TB5
[23:03:25] <PCW> joint 1 following error is expected (set the ferror limits wider if you want to test)
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[23:07:36] <cnc> ok i must use all elements
[23:08:35] <PCW> when you first connect a motor _expect_ a runaway
[23:10:53] <cnc> not anderstand
[23:12:17] <cpresser> cnc: solange motor+encoder+parameter nicht passen ist es normal das der fehler kommt. du sollst ferror hochdrehen, und dann die sache inbetrieb nehmen
[23:12:26] <cpresser> cnc: und englisch lernen, sorry, ohne wird das echt schwer
[23:12:35] <cpresser> cnc: alternativ, mich kann man auch beauftragen^^
[23:13:09] <cnc> aha
[23:13:31] <cnc> aber welche parameter
[23:13:33] <PetefromTn_> Someone needs to invent an IRC universal automatic translator hehe
[23:13:52] <cpresser> cnc: alle paramter. PID
[23:14:11] <cnc> das ist
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[23:14:58] <cpresser> cnc: weisst du nicht was PID bedeutet?
[23:16:13] <cnc> nein lese grade
[23:16:37] <PCW> normal order of servo bringup:
[23:16:39] <PCW> 1. Get encoders working and scaled properly (direction correct also)
[23:16:40] <cpresser> cnc: dann musst du leider noch _sehr viel_ lesen. das sind grundlagen für ne CNC-Maschine
[23:16:41] <PCW> 2. Get drive enables working
[23:16:42] <PCW> 3. Set wide ferror limits (say 20 mm)
[23:16:44] <PCW> 4. Verify that feedback is negative (may need to change analog output polarity in HAL)
[23:16:46] <PCW> 5. Connect motor
[23:16:48] <PCW> 6. Tune
[23:17:02] <cnc> servo
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[23:22:07] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/FdNPjq3.jpg Just snapped this off my left nostril LOL...
[23:22:13] <cnc> where and in what hal
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[23:29:29] <PCW> Most linux setup information is in your hal and ini files
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[23:46:29] <Crom_> I really need a bt keyboard
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