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[00:03:56] <MacGalempsy> hola
[00:09:18] * alex4nder orders a mesa 7i76e.
[00:09:24] <alex4nder> MacGalempsy: hey
[00:09:32] <MacGalempsy> hey
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[00:19:15] <CaptHindsight> why makes a small pneumatic 3 jaw chuck to hold 1/16 - 1/2" dia rods?
[00:20:41] <_methods> rohm?
[00:20:56] <_methods> kitagawa
[00:21:25] <_methods> schunk
[00:21:25] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't have to be precise either
[00:21:35] <_methods> hmm
[00:22:23] <CaptHindsight> more of a 3 jaw gripper I can spin with a stepper
[00:22:55] <CaptHindsight> it's the small stuff that's hard to find
[00:23:48] <_methods> http://www.produstrial.com/Air-Pneumatic-Three-Jaw-Chuck-Gripper-p/100516.htm?1=1&CartID=0
[00:24:16] <_methods> those seem pretty cheap
[00:24:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[00:24:26] <_methods> got some decent options too with magnets
[00:24:49] <CaptHindsight> I think all the parts are ferrous as well
[00:28:47] <_methods> that's a tough one i'm having a hard time finding much
[00:28:59] <CaptHindsight> sounds simple
[00:29:43] <CaptHindsight> another "do I really have to make this?"
[00:29:54] <_methods> http://www.destaco.com/3-jaw-parallel.html
[00:30:01] <_methods> looks like destaco has some stuff
[00:30:26] <CaptHindsight> the walmart of holding devices!
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[00:32:01] <_methods> except not cheap like walmart lol
[00:32:49] <_methods> these guys have some collet grippers
[00:32:52] <_methods> http://www.rad-ra.com/Grippers-Collet.htm
[00:34:16] <_methods> i was getting more hits searching for 3 jaw grippers
[00:36:47] <CaptHindsight> can be electric
[00:37:23] <_methods> i like the collet ones
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[00:48:47] <MacGalempsy> now that there is a hard wire from the router to the garage, lets see if the timing out continues
[00:48:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.festo.com/cms/en-us_us/16089.htm http://www.festo.com/cat/en-us_us/data/doc_enus/PDF/US/DHEB_ENUS.PDF
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[00:50:44] <XXCoder1> hardon wire :P
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[00:51:33] <MacGalempsy> I got one now, the ping dropped to 16ms, d/l 91.07 Mbps u/l 11.31Mbps
[00:51:52] <MacGalempsy> last night the wireless kept the ping at like 54
[00:51:58] <XXCoder1> not bad
[00:52:23] <MacGalempsy> im happy with it, we are in bum fuzzlle egypt
[00:52:32] <_methods> festo is too spendy for my blood lol
[00:52:50] <CaptHindsight> how are the ping times using your neighbors wifi?
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[00:53:25] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-3-Jaw-Cylindrical-Centering-Long-Stroke-Air-Gripper-MHSL3-50D-50mm-Bore-/181091609267
[00:53:27] <MacGalempsy> hehe. we arent close enough to a neighbor to intercept
[00:54:26] <CaptHindsight> _methods: thats a nice one
[00:55:51] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DE-STA-CO-16MM-STROKE-384LB-GRIP-FORCE-3-JAW-PARALLEL-GRIPPER-RTH-3M-L-/310777429372
[00:55:59] <_methods> under $100
[00:56:32] <_methods> gotta love ebay lol
[00:56:45] <_methods> the used smc one i saw on ebay was $1k
[00:56:47] <_methods> ouch
[00:56:53] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Vertical-Mill-Milling-Machine-9-x-42-Table-1-HP-/371259189848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5670c5aa58
[00:57:09] <XXCoder1> thats closest to me, and thousand+ miles lol
[00:57:35] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-Parallel-Gripper-3-Jaw-MHS3-125D-Y59A-/251604904389
[00:57:44] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder1: sounds like a road trip!
[00:57:49] <CaptHindsight> nice 2-tone paint job though
[00:57:58] <XXCoder1> also $2,600 more than what I have lol
[00:58:05] <XXCoder1> dont have anything to power it too lol
[00:58:25] <_methods> that is WAY overpriced
[00:58:30] <MacGalempsy> yeah 3phase can be pricey!
[00:58:43] <XXCoder1> looks almost same as one I use ar work, only one I use has automatic stuff
[00:59:17] <_methods> if it had the column extension maybe i'd pay that but i still doubt it
[00:59:52] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NFgxNjAw/z/wmcAAOxyoA1RL232/$%28KGrHqJ,!pIFElNqME8qBRL231tCiQ~~60_57.JPG
[00:59:55] <_methods> that table is REKT
[00:59:58] <CaptHindsight> I like this one
[01:00:13] <CaptHindsight> use rollers to hold the part
[01:00:26] <CaptHindsight> I could motorize the rollers
[01:02:53] <XXCoder1> interesting http://www.ebay.com/itm/LIGHT-MACHINES-SPECTRALIGHT-TABLETOP-CNC-MILLING-MACHINE-/351307083372?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51cb88ae6c
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[01:03:38] <_methods> nice little tabletop machine
[01:04:00] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novakon-NM135-Rev-2-Benchtop-CNC-Mill-/271765484619?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f467c344b too but large lol
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[01:05:59] <_methods> wow
[01:06:05] <_methods> not a bad deal i think
[01:06:11] <_methods> especially with all those tool holders
[01:06:58] <XXCoder1> yeah too bad I dont have money and 3-4 people as well as large truck to bring it here lol
[01:07:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Type-Variable-Speed-US-Machine-Tool-Burke/261776642138
[01:07:23] <XXCoder1> there is so many $700 engraving router cnc
[01:07:27] <XXCoder1> wonder if worth it :P
[01:09:24] <Tom_itx> the dir relays need to switch during the inhibit signal, i wonder if i should give inhibit a bit more time or if this looks ok: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic2.jpg
[01:09:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brown-and-Sharpe-No-3B-Standard-Vertical-Milling-Machine-/141219106341 a beastmaster
[01:09:56] <XXCoder1> dang
[01:10:03] <XXCoder1> has it seen wartime usage? :P
[01:10:24] <CaptHindsight> might have been worn out by the first one :)
[01:10:39] <XXCoder1> CaptHindsight: I once saw a press thats older than ww1
[01:10:50] <CaptHindsight> 5724 lbs.
[01:10:55] <XXCoder1> still in use by time I toured the place. 2013
[01:11:07] <XXCoder1> it was set in service in 1901
[01:11:43] <XXCoder1> probably still there, pressing wire achors
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[01:16:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHUNK-MPZ45-340530-3-FINGER-CENTRIC-GRIPPER-LOT-OF-2-/291381252909 2 for $50
[01:17:17] <_methods> wow score there
[01:26:53] <alex4nder> nice
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[01:52:50] <XXCoder1> hmm
[01:53:02] <XXCoder1> might adopt this kitty http://worth1000.s3.amazonaws.com/submissions/532500/532644_6b58_1024x2000.jpg
[01:54:21] <alex4nder> looks nice
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[02:00:23] <MacGalempsy> got a question about the pncconf. what does it mean Num of Channels next to Num of Smart Serial Ports?
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[02:05:18] <Tom_itx> there can be up to 8 channels on a port
[02:05:20] <Tom_itx> iirc
[02:05:37] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy ^^
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[02:06:47] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, festo gripper? the elephant trunk! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKJybDb1dz0
[02:07:01] <PCW> Yeah up 8 channels/port 4 ports max
[02:07:42] <MacGalempsy> I guess trying to use 7i77x2 with the 7i77 and 7i84 is a bad attempts?
[02:07:52] <MacGalempsy> got the pins showing
[02:08:46] <PCW> should be fine
[02:10:33] <MacGalempsy> ok. we'll see how things go. with it moving on 3 axis with the old linuxcnc, those seem to be hooked up fine. i am more concerned about the vfd, and possible screwing it up
[02:13:27] <MacGalempsy> PCW: what is the differnce between 7i77x2 and 7i77x2 with one 7i77?
[02:14:31] <PCW> just the tabs that pncconf presents AFAIK
[02:14:48] <MacGalempsy> ok
[02:15:44] <MacGalempsy> so with the combo that is running, the smart serial port is set to 1, but what is the significance of changing the number of channels(trying to figure out the correct setting
[02:16:15] <PCW> No idea, not a pncconf expert
[02:16:22] <MacGalempsy> heh. ok.
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[02:17:06] <PCW> in hal the ports are 0..3 as channels are 0..7
[02:18:26] <PCW> on (the first) 7i77 the channels are
[02:18:28] <PCW> 0 Digital I/O
[02:18:29] <PCW> 1 Analog out
[02:18:31] <PCW> 2 Expansion connector
[02:18:55] <PCW> all on port 0
[02:19:14] <PCW> bbl
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[02:44:13] <anarchos2_> anyone had any success embedding "features" into gmoccapy?
[02:45:56] <furrywolf> spent today working on cars instead of the mill... working on another subaru engine swap. putting a newer engine into an old brat. needed bellhousing adapter plate and flywheel spacer.
[02:46:09] <XXCoder1> fun
[02:48:12] <furrywolf> sigh, reading the news... 18 people killed in a stampede. one person was shocked by hitting electrical wires, and is expected to live. not a major disaster. but then people panic, and STEP ON OTHER PEOPLE. wtf?
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[02:50:33] <Cromaglious> during a stampede ALWAYS head for the side
[02:51:24] <XXCoder1> mob menlity
[02:51:54] <furrywolf> they weren't even running from anything! one person contacted electrical wires, and was shocked. there never was any threat to anyone else, nor any conceivable way people could think there was a threat.
[02:53:47] <XXCoder1> thats weird.
[02:54:46] <furrywolf> all the more reason to avoid ever attending things with lots of people.
[02:55:00] <anarchos2_> i can get it to embed and show up, but none of the buttons or anything like that work
[03:01:39] <furrywolf> I asked this before, but no one seemed to be around... I need some collets for my mill. I'm thinking of going with ER. should I get ER20 (1/2" max) or ER25 (5/8" max)? also, the sets of collets in 1mm increments should be adequate for inch-sized bits, right? I suspect the chinese sets advertised with inch sizes are in fact just the metric ones relabeled, since they picked weird sizes...
[03:03:08] <evil_ren> mine are reg spaced inch
[03:03:22] <evil_ren> 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, etc
[03:03:27] <furrywolf> are they an affordable chinese set? heh. yes, I know US manufacturers make proper inch-sized sets.
[03:03:36] <evil_ren> but yeah the inch and mm ones are spaced pretty close
[03:03:47] <evil_ren> i think mine came from taig
[03:03:54] <furrywolf> but the chinese set I was looking at was weird, and has things like 3/64 but no 1/16, making me think they're just the metric ones labeled as the closest inch size...
[03:04:01] <evil_ren> the couple replacements i got are from enco, prob chinese
[03:04:25] <evil_ren> theyre spring collets so they can get away with that, heh
[03:04:37] <XXCoder1> or make your own? lol jk
[03:04:48] <XXCoder1> I bet its bit tough
[03:05:31] <furrywolf> 1-16mm metric sets are $38, inch-labeled sets $90...
[03:07:16] <furrywolf> should I go with er20 or er25? does my chinese mill/lathe combo have the power and rigidity to push anything with a 5/8" shank around?
[03:08:12] <evil_ren> lighter materials, side cutting roughing endmills, id go big
[03:08:52] <evil_ren> just gives you more options
[03:09:45] <evil_ren> unless its like way more $$$
[03:09:48] <furrywolf> also gives me less money and less tool-to-table height...
[03:10:07] <XXCoder1> slow collet collection growth?
[03:10:14] <XXCoder1> may be able to afford that
[03:10:36] <alex4nder> furrywolf: what mill?
[03:11:27] <furrywolf> alex_joni: old shoptask mill/lathe combo
[03:11:53] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg (old photo - now has working cnc)
[03:12:05] <alex4nder> ah cool
[03:12:49] <XXCoder1> lathe mill. cant image how it works. guess I didnt work at mills enough
[03:12:53] <XXCoder1> my work dont own one
[03:13:22] <alex4nder> furrywolf: Re: cheap collet labeling.. yah, that happens a lot on the cheap end. and it works, because the collets have clamping ranges.
[03:13:46] <furrywolf> I'm definitely looking at the cheap end.
[03:14:22] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: imagine a milling head stuck over a lathe, and you have one.
[03:14:36] <XXCoder1> yah saw your pic
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[03:17:30] <alex4nder> I just ordered up a taig mill, and a 7i76e to go with it
[03:17:44] <alex4nder> which,... with the er16 spindle is.. small
[03:19:01] <furrywolf> grrrr. I need to shop somewhere other than ebay. ebay's new hiding the item description is so annoying it's difficult to shop there.
[03:19:50] <XXCoder1> fur youre a programmer eh
[03:20:12] <furrywolf> somewhat. I'm a lot of things. do you have a programming question?
[03:20:25] <XXCoder1> nah just was curious when I saw few c files
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[03:38:19] <furrywolf> I find all these sets with odd 32ths sizes but not standard sizes to be highly suspect. I might as well just get ones labeled in metric. heh.
[03:39:14] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:39:22] <XXCoder1> as long as those can hold whatever tools you need it to
[03:39:36] <furrywolf> I think including 3/64 instead of 1/16 might as well be a big sticker saying "these are really metric".
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[03:42:41] <furrywolf> http://www.ctctools.biz/ anyone ever order from them? I'm guessing not, seems like small chinese dealer...
[03:43:11] <furrywolf> their site is, however, engrish-free, which is quite a pleasant change for goods shipped from china.
[03:43:11] <jdh> I got an ER collet set from cdco toos
[03:43:50] <furrywolf> Rm13, 13F, World-Wide Ind. Centre, 43-47 Shan Mei Street, Fotan Shatin NT, Hong Kong and they're honest about where they are. :)
[03:44:03] <alex4nder> furrywolf: as long as you can cover a continuous range of clamping, metric vs. standard doesn't really matter
[03:45:24] <furrywolf> alex_joni: the metric ones come in 1mm increments and claim a 1mm clamping range. :)
[03:47:53] <alex4nder> furrywolf: so then you've got your standard measurements covered
[03:49:00] <furrywolf> meh, tooling costs too much. :(
[03:49:19] <furrywolf> how is anyone supposed to afford to have a variety of tooling at new prices?
[03:50:36] <alex4nder> if you're willing to buy chinese, it's not so bad
[03:51:00] <furrywolf> yes, it is. I'm trying to find cheapo indexable lathe tools, and not finding cheap.
[03:51:39] <alex4nder> $30 on ebay?
[03:51:59] <furrywolf> even harbor freight wants $25 just for 1/4" tools.
[03:52:03] <alex4nder> they'll probably give you cancer, but .. that's cheap
[03:52:13] <XXCoder1> is regular converting to indexable possible?
[03:52:42] <furrywolf> it'd be easier to convert a piece of steel bar into a toolholder than to start with one that already has something brazed to the end. :)
[03:52:49] <XXCoder1> lol ok
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[03:54:32] * furrywolf doesn't consider "having to work for three hours just to purchase a tiny accessory" to be cheap
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[04:03:25] <XXCoder1> wow http://www.technologyreview.com/news/534796/nano-manufacturing-makes-steel-10-times-stronger/
[04:07:41] <furrywolf> how, exactly, do they propose an electroplated coating makes steel ten times stronger?
[04:08:21] <furrywolf> sure, you can electroplate an inch of expensive metal onto a piece of cheap steel, and it'll be a lot stronger... but that's not useful.
[04:08:29] <XXCoder1> yeah dunno
[04:08:41] * furrywolf smells "give us money".
[04:09:27] <furrywolf> also, bulk electroplating like that is quite expensive. it's why metals obtained through electrolytic processes are expensive...
[04:09:55] <XXCoder1> thats why I pasted here, im not expert heh
[04:12:27] <MacGalempsy> anyone got a script that runs a mill back and forth to warm it up?
[04:12:39] <MacGalempsy> its so cold, I am starting to get following errors
[04:12:53] <furrywolf> as a general rule, anything that looks like a press release and lacks any details whatsoever, and mentions things like "will", "should", "up to", etc, is bull.
[04:12:55] <XXCoder1> sounds like simple g code
[04:13:09] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: g0 x+10 g0 x0 etc? :P
[04:13:18] <Cromaglious> oh wow! I still own itslinux.org and itslinux.com
[04:13:35] <furrywolf> s/+10/10
[04:14:10] <XXCoder1> yeah fur
[04:14:11] <furrywolf> any idea where I can get a mt3 extension that has a hole for a drawbar to run through it?
[04:14:14] <XXCoder1> that should work
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[04:14:30] <XXCoder1> hell if starting too fast causes errors
[04:14:32] <XXCoder1> start slow
[04:14:39] <XXCoder1> then increase speed as it warms up
[04:14:39] <furrywolf> there's tons of them out there, but they all have tangs...
[04:14:51] <furrywolf> I could bore one out, but I might as well just get what I want.
[04:15:23] <furrywolf> or I could just make a 3" thick spacer for the table...
[04:15:32] <furrywolf> stupid mill only having 3" z travel!
[04:17:15] <XXCoder1> for mill thats pretty sucky
[04:17:24] <XXCoder1> my cnc rputer has similiar clearance
[04:20:18] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, I saw something like that awhile back... Search for mt3 sleeve
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[04:20:41] <furrywolf> yes, I've seen lots of them... but none with a through-hole for a drawbar.
[04:21:45] <furrywolf> it's probably better to raise the vise than extend the spindle anyway, for runout and rigidity.
[04:21:52] <XXCoder1> interesting https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8448402688/h1B2E66C6/
[04:22:02] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/231174784106?lpid=82&chn=ps
[04:22:52] <Cromaglious> hole at both ends
[04:23:01] <furrywolf> yes, that's mt3 to mt2, not an mt3 extension like I asked about.
[04:23:16] <Cromaglious> oh you want mt3 to mt3
[04:26:59] <furrywolf> yes
[04:27:08] <Cromaglious> http://shopmasterusa.com/tools-complete-list/290-m3-m3-morse-taper-extension.html
[04:27:31] <Cromaglious> outside is draw bar ready.. dunno about the inside
[04:29:17] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/4897589754.html tempting...
[04:29:39] <XXCoder1> pretty cheap
[04:29:53] <XXCoder1> forgot what harbor metal lathe price was thoygh
[04:30:29] <furrywolf> I'd assume anything that old is better than anything you can get at hf right now. heh.
[04:30:45] <XXCoder1> lol yea
[04:31:10] <Cromaglious> ugh change gears
[04:31:32] <Cromaglious> I do need a 3 jaw chuck for my sheldon and a QCTP as well
[04:32:11] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: hrmm, that might just be what I need. It would figure it's from the same company as my mill... probably a common complaint!
[04:32:36] <furrywolf> (shopmaster makes (or, at least, tells china to make) my shoptask mill/lathe combo)
[04:33:55] <Cromaglious> hehe
[04:34:15] <Cromaglious> ST16 is the tool number
[04:37:25] <furrywolf> why are indexable carbide tools so much more expensive than brazed tips? you'd think drilling and tapping a hole would be cheaper than brazing...
[04:37:40] <MacGalempsy> in 2.6 what is the replacement for gedit?
[04:37:56] <Tom_itx> ?
[04:38:03] <Tom_itx> i installed gedit :D
[04:38:10] <MacGalempsy> ah ok I need to install
[04:38:19] <XXCoder1> emacs is awesome if you take time
[04:39:24] <MacGalempsy> got it. thanks tom
[04:39:55] <Tom_itx> np
[04:39:56] <furrywolf> ... emacs is not awesome.
[04:40:05] * alex4nder facepalms.
[04:40:45] <alex4nder> anyone in here using the realtime ethernet control in linuxcnc with a mesa board?
[04:41:23] <furrywolf> not I, but I want to be.
[04:41:47] <alex4nder> it's the route I'm going with with this new stepper build
[04:42:28] <alex4nder> I guess with a preempt_rt kernel
[04:42:28] <furrywolf> I want to switch to one, but I don't have enough money, and I really won't if I actually buy any of this tooling...
[04:42:54] <alex4nder> what are you using right now?
[04:43:31] <furrywolf> a $10 chinese breakout board on a parallel port
[04:43:38] <alex4nder> cool
[04:43:45] <alex4nder> that was like my old setup
[04:47:19] <furrywolf> grrr, that store I pasted has the cheapest prices I could find on a lot of tooling... then I go to check the shipping cost, and it's $34 for 3+ week ground.
[04:47:32] <Cromaglious> heh I tend to use joe
[04:47:37] <furrywolf> whoops, my bad. it's $34 for 6-9 weeks.
[04:47:52] <furrywolf> $37 for 3 weeks
[04:47:58] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, OUCHIES
[04:49:46] <Cromaglious> ahhh ,uch better a working keyboard
[04:53:29] <Cromaglious> whats the total bill?
[04:53:49] <Cromaglious> is it still cheaper than free shipping sites
[04:54:05] <Cromaglious> that's my criteria
[04:54:38] <furrywolf> no, it's higher.
[04:55:30] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[04:58:01] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-5-Rotary-Table-/201287191587 the cheapest rotary table on ebay. lol
[04:58:10] <furrywolf> bbl
[05:01:35] <Cromaglious> that's actually not a bad price on that
[05:01:47] <Cromaglious> would need to rebuild it...
[05:02:07] <furrywolf> would need a machine four times larger to use it...
[05:03:06] <Cromaglious> rebuild it, put pretty paint on it and resell it
[05:03:41] <Cromaglious> free local pickup though
[05:04:01] <Cromaglious> st petersburg, fl
[05:04:59] <Cromaglious> don't know if it's 30 seconds on the dial though
[05:05:21] <Cromaglious> err minutes
[05:05:36] <Cromaglious> that's 720 cranks to go around once
[05:05:54] <furrywolf> lol
[05:05:55] <furrywolf> bbl
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[06:28:11] <MacGalempsy> alright i told it to move 10 and it moved 9.9997!
[06:35:36] <Cromaglious> MacGalempsy, what's your distance per step?
[06:36:35] <MacGalempsy> its a closed loop servo system
[06:38:02] <Cromaglious> What's the distance between index pulses?
[06:38:41] <MacGalempsy> so when I hit the hard limit switch my Y axis is at -0.5183 how do I rest this to zero?
[06:39:01] <Cromaglious> what's the error on homing after it hits the index pulse?
[06:39:35] <Cromaglious> is that supposed to be 0?
[06:39:53] <Cromaglious> my limit switch is at -0.25
[06:40:27] <MacGalempsy> 50000 pulses per inch
[06:41:08] <Cromaglious> A-B pulses... is there an index pulse?
[06:41:12] <MacGalempsy> probably could use a little more tuning.
[06:41:37] <MacGalempsy> its been a while since I went through all that. I think it is .25 per turn
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[06:41:48] <Cromaglious> it's in in the .ini file
[06:42:09] <MacGalempsy> deadband?
[06:42:25] <Cromaglious> something like that... I only read it in passing..
[06:43:02] <MacGalempsy> deadband = 0.00002
[06:43:15] <Cromaglious> HOME_OFFSET = -0.200000
[06:43:15] <Cromaglious> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 1.000000
[06:43:15] <Cromaglious> HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.196850
[06:43:15] <Cromaglious> HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
[06:43:41] <Cromaglious> oops -0.20 not -0.25
[06:44:23] <MacGalempsy> i have those marked out
[06:45:05] <MacGalempsy> this is all so fresh to me that when something actually works, im very happy
[06:46:45] <MacGalempsy> the guys at copely control corp said they did extensive PID tuning on these amplifiers. do you think if I got those numbers from them I could just put them into this and have fantastic results?
[06:47:23] <Cromaglious> if you're running the same everything
[06:47:46] <MacGalempsy> everything except the old motherboard
[06:48:54] <Cromaglious> 02
[06:49:14] <Cromaglious> servo control is off loaded onto a control right?
[06:49:19] <Cromaglious> servo control is off loaded onto a controler right?
[06:49:31] <Cromaglious> so the MB doesn't need to be that fast
[06:50:29] <MacGalempsy> this is all japanese to me.
[06:51:12] <MacGalempsy> they tuned the controls, but I still need to pid tune, right?
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[06:58:25] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: do you use mesa?
[06:59:12] <Cromaglious> nope mach3 breakout board and steppers on tb6560 drivers
[06:59:21] <Cromaglious> OLD school
[06:59:49] <MacGalempsy> in HAL I am trying how to turn on/off pins from command line. any help?
[07:00:03] <MacGalempsy> ran show pins
[07:00:15] <Cromaglious> no idea.... I editted the hal configuration
[07:00:59] <Cromaglious> moved aall limits and home for each axis onto one pin
[07:03:52] <Cromaglious> oops all homes on pin 11 all limits on pin 10
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[07:05:35] <Cromaglious> bbl gotta wash die out of my hair
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[07:23:17] <Cromaglious> back
[07:23:30] <Cromaglious> damn grey hair
[07:23:56] <Cromaglious> vanquished for another 2 months...
[07:41:34] <archivist> MacGalempsy, some inaccuracy is to be expected (nothing is absolutely perfect), it just needs quantifying to see what the error sources are and if correctable
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[07:43:19] <archivist> or within acceptable limits for the technology
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[07:51:09] <MacGalempsy> archivist: the tuning could be better because at high velocities a following error occurs
[07:52:20] <archivist> JT has a tuning guide on his site
[07:53:21] <archivist> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
[07:53:50] <MacGalempsy> thats what I used last time, but it was a few years ago
[07:54:05] <archivist> I had some fun eating my own dogfood in measuring an axis error http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[07:54:24] <archivist> he has updated that page since
[07:54:48] <MacGalempsy> since it moves at slow for no. i would like to work towarsds getting the rest of the stuff to work
[07:55:46] <MacGalempsy> I have 12 relays that actuate various items. do you know how I can manually "flip the switch" using halcmd?
[07:58:08] <archivist> setp http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
[08:07:01] <MacGalempsy> thanks.
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[08:10:53] <Deejay> moin
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[08:15:16] <MacGalempsy> Deejay: hi
[08:22:28] <Deejay> hi MacGalempsy :)
[08:22:36] <MacGalempsy> you staying warm today?
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[08:35:17] <anarchos> do frame sizes refer to the bolt spacing on servos?
[08:35:47] <MacGalempsy> like nema40?
[08:36:09] <anarchos> metric, 60mm, 80mm, 100mm, etc
[08:36:24] <MacGalempsy> I think so
[08:37:10] <MacGalempsy> yeah. they do
[08:37:29] <anarchos> centre to centre, in a square, I assume?
[08:38:31] <MacGalempsy> the spec sheet for the model you would buy shows the diagram
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[11:01:40] <MacGalempsy> anyone still awake?
[11:06:23] <archivist> not everybody is in your timezone
[11:06:59] <SpeedEvil> 11AM here.
[11:07:10] <SpeedEvil> I'm significantly over 50% awake
[11:08:21] <evil_ren> 3am
[11:08:24] <evil_ren> still awake
[11:09:17] <MacGalempsy> ahahaha
[11:09:21] <MacGalempsy> 0500 here
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[11:31:39] <MacGalempsy> morning
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[11:50:39] <Loetmichel> *yawn*... already 4 hours at work, still not fully awake... *mornin*
[11:51:12] <MacGalempsy> nice. im just getting off work... still reading stuff to try and get things to work...
[11:52:07] <Cromaglious> yea itslinux.org is almost back up
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[12:05:31] <Cromaglious> itslinux.org IS back up
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[12:17:01] <CaptHindsight> -12F (-24C) what am I doing here?
[12:17:33] <skunkworks> -12 here on the drive in too
[12:19:25] <CaptHindsight> it's warmer anywhere in Alaska today
[12:20:19] <MacGalempsy> question: iat -12F you should be thinking about a vacation towards the equator!
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[12:20:51] <MacGalempsy> we got down to 17F
[12:20:58] <MacGalempsy> shorts weather!
[12:34:23] <MacGalempsy> question I am trying the pyvcp tutorial and would like to know where to save the example xml files
[12:34:51] <skunkworks> I have mine in the config directory (that has your ini and hal files)
[12:36:09] <MacGalempsy> when I try to run this in terminal "halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypanel tiny.xml" it comes back with too many arguments
[12:38:42] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html#_stand_alone
[12:39:39] <MacGalempsy> ok
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[12:45:01] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: I was attempting the 2. Panel Construction
[12:45:20] <MacGalempsy> the tiny.xml
[12:47:02] <MacGalempsy> does linuxcnc need to be running?
[12:51:00] <JT-Shop> sorry, I have to take my wife to work be back later
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[13:02:34] <pcw_home> If linuxcnc is running you can use halcmd
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[13:14:34] <MacGalempsy> going to hit the sack. will be back around 1 or 2. thanks for the help guys
[13:14:40] <jdh> y'all gey up way too early
[13:14:46] <jdh> get
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[14:51:54] <_methods> i've never actually looked at the cnczone linuxcnc forums..........now i know why
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[14:57:00] <ssi> morn
[14:57:01] <_methods> this one guy actually had to search for information on the mesa site
[14:57:14] <_methods> i think he hates mesa now
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[14:58:01] <_methods> seems very upset about teh 1995 website pcw_home
[14:58:20] <ssi> lol
[14:58:32] <archivist> there is no pleasing some people
[14:58:35] <ssi> he's welcome to buy his hardware from someone with a flashier website
[14:58:42] <_methods> it's hilarious
[14:59:13] <archivist> flashy websites are very often broken and unusable
[15:01:08] <PetefromTn_> probably one of the folks who had Mach3 on their Tormach and now knows he needs to switch camps heh
[15:01:31] <_methods> there are some real machtards on there for sure
[15:02:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh I was reading last night some of the comments about the news on Tormach's forum.. jeez
[15:03:21] <_methods> they're mad?
[15:03:35] <PetefromTn_> No not mad really..
[15:03:58] <_methods> i guess i can understand if you're only capable of using windows
[15:04:08] <PetefromTn_> just a lot of comments about how it has always worked fine for them and not wanting to switch
[15:04:13] <_methods> probably alienates the majority of their users
[15:04:34] <_methods> kinda llike giving apple people a mouse with 2 buttons
[15:04:41] <_methods> it just confused them and made them angry
[15:05:31] <PetefromTn_> It is kind of amusing that the builder of their machines sees the improvements and better stability and other obvious points about the move and they are still wanting to bury their heads in the sand....
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[15:06:29] <_methods> can't fix...............
[15:07:19] <dirty_d> linuxcnc can only step steppers at a multiple of (1 / BASE_PERIOD) Hz right?
[15:08:16] <archivist> use a mesa card for higher
[15:08:30] <cradek> no
[15:08:43] <cradek> stepgen doesn't quantize like that
[15:09:03] <cradek> when it runs, if a step is needed since last time, it makes one
[15:09:11] <dirty_d> right
[15:09:13] <cradek> that gives intermediate rates (with higher jitter)
[15:09:23] <dirty_d> so every base period it either steps or doesnt
[15:09:27] <cradek> yep
[15:09:42] <dirty_d> so then it is a multiple of that frequency
[15:09:51] <cradek> well no
[15:09:51] <PetefromTn_> or you can just buy a cheap mesa card and not worry about any of that...
[15:10:02] <cradek> say you get a step 2 out of every 3 times it runs
[15:10:22] <cradek> it's a lousy (jittery) waveform, but it's not at base period, and it's not at 2*base period
[15:10:44] <cradek> if it was quantized like you say, you couldn't follow many paths
[15:10:57] <dirty_d> if my base period is 40,000ns, then it can step at 20,00Hz, 10,000Hz, 6666.6Hz
[15:11:01] <cradek> of course hardware stepgen is better
[15:11:02] <dirty_d> right>
[15:11:03] <dirty_d> ?
[15:11:17] <cradek> no!
[15:11:37] <cradek> it can step on average every 30000 ns too, or any other value
[15:12:04] <cradek> think of it as stepping to maintain position, not as rates
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[15:12:29] <dirty_d> ahh
[15:12:40] <cradek> imagine an algorithm like: if the commanded position is now closer to the next step than the current one, issue a step
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[15:14:08] <cradek> er I misspoke: if period is 40000ns, you can't step every 30000ns of course, but you can (on average) every 50000ns
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[15:19:10] <dirty_d> ok that makes sense
[15:21:17] <dirty_d> is there a good reason the period isnt dynamic? like schedule the thread to run at the exact time the next step should be?
[15:22:58] <cradek> that's not how the usual stepgen algorithm works, but I can see how it would be nice (I don't know if any rtos supports that kind of scheduling though)
[15:23:45] <archivist> would not be simple with 9 stepgens :)
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[15:24:24] <cradek> yeah might not be practical
[15:28:47] <dirty_d> ok
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[16:47:42] <_methods> wtf is up with everyone doing cnc pancakes
[16:47:44] <_methods> http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Pancake-portraits-future/story-26038719-detail/story.html
[16:51:06] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I like pancakes but I don't want to look down at my breakfast and see someone looking back at me..... well maybe Angelina?
[16:51:10] <TekniQue> surely it's easiest to just bake a normal pancake and then laser etch it
[16:51:21] <pcw_home> thats an interesting technique anyway (the long on the pan the darker)
[16:51:28] <pcw_home> longer
[16:51:44] <pcw_home> and no nasty laser taste!
[16:53:13] <ssi> laser does make food taste nasty
[16:53:55] <skunkworks> ssi, what did you cook on your laser?
[16:54:26] <ssi> I marked some toast :)
[16:54:58] <PetefromTn_> and his house....unfortunately hehe
[16:55:01] <ssi> I tried to pop a popcorn kernel but it didn't work
[16:55:18] <PetefromTn_> how come it would not pop a popcorn kernel?
[16:55:24] <ssi> I dunno
[16:55:28] <PetefromTn_> it worked in Real Genius or whatever it was...
[16:55:29] <ssi> focused it would just blow a hole through it
[16:55:33] <ssi> unfocused it just blackened the top
[16:55:50] <PetefromTn_> love that movie hehehe
[16:56:15] <ssi> maybe if I'd coated it in oil
[16:56:52] <PetefromTn_> maybe a focused beam from a longer distance....like a B1?
[16:56:57] <archivist> cooking requires time for the heat to conduct, my mother did not know that, she used to do cold and burnt beans in the same saucepan
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[16:58:31] <skunkworks> heh
[16:59:36] <PetefromTn_> from the sounds of that article the pancake is BUILT from start to finish in the time it takes to actually cook the pancake.... JEEZ that machine must really haul ass!!
[17:00:16] <dirty_d> anyone know of a better deal than this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-HSS-TIN-COATED-COAT-2-4-FLUTE-END-MILL-SET-MILLS-/351003084170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b96a058a
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[17:01:47] <ssi> I've had sets like that, and they're junky
[17:02:18] <ssi> honestly I think you're better off getting one or two sizes at a time of good quality endmills... buy what you need when you need it
[17:02:56] <PetefromTn_> agreed those are trash.. had a set when I first started...
[17:03:00] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/9336-lot-of-10-Niagara-Endmill-End-Mill-5-16-x-3-8-x-3-4-35100-HSS4-10-pieces/361202679222?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29171%26meid%3D476efd5fff5a425fa234a7a00548aff5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D351003084170&rt=nc
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[17:03:06] <ssi> THATs a good deal :)
[17:04:25] <dirty_d> good enough for aluminum and unhardened steel though right?
[17:05:12] <ssi> not in my opinion
[17:05:20] <ssi> will they cut it? sure
[17:05:45] <PetefromTn_> buy the cutter you need for the job. Before you know it you will have an assortment
[17:06:05] <dirty_d> what makes them junky?
[17:06:44] <archivist> alu needs different chip clearance to steel
[17:07:15] <ssi> the coating sucks, they gall up cutting aluminum... they're soft, steel will knock the teeth off them if you're not careful, or you'll overheat them and burn them
[17:07:39] <ssi> trust me, quality tools are a JOY to use compared to stuff like that
[17:07:54] <ssi> you can buy three quality endmills for the price of that set
[17:08:12] <dirty_d> what kind though? just uncoated HSS?
[17:08:19] <ssi> whatever you need
[17:09:33] <PetefromTn_> I use and recommend Maritool cutters...also Lakeshore Carbide makes good stuff... the cutter design depends on what you need to cut.
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[17:14:13] <dirty_d> they only make carbide?
[17:14:41] <dirty_d> if im not making parts for nasa, wont the cheap ones do? lol
[17:18:30] <jdh> cheap cutters suck
[17:18:47] <jdh> and are more expensive than good ones
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[17:25:32] <Rab> dirty_d, choose the cutter for the material, not for the customer.
[17:26:15] <dirty_d> isnt that what youre supposed to use for aluminum? 2-flute HSS?
[17:26:45] <dirty_d> ive been using uncoated 4-flute on aluminum and its been working fine
[17:28:57] <Rab> Sure! But those chinese end mills have a really poor finish under their dubious TiN coating, like some sweatshop kid finished them up with a die grinder. The chip is likely to stick to it when you need it to slide smoothly free.
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[17:38:30] <CaptHindsight> _methods: cnc breakfast foods are the future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oga_4uoCvnA
[17:39:36] <pcw_home> somehow I read chinese endmills as "cheese endmills"
[17:40:20] <PetefromTn_> well you were not far wrong there man hehe
[17:42:38] <dirty_d> Rab, like this? http://www.amazon.com/Kodiak-Diameter-Solid-Carbide-Flute/dp/B0070YYLLI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1424367663&sr=8-5&keywords=3%2F8%22+2+flute+end+mill
[17:42:41] <dirty_d> but that looks rough too
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[17:44:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/product_categories/view/2100602/HSS_2_Flute_Tin_Coated from China
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[17:46:42] <dirty_d> CaptHindsight, so crap?
[17:47:00] <zeeshan> ive tried the roughing chinese end mills
[17:47:00] <zeeshan> hss
[17:47:03] <zeeshan> no good :/
[17:47:15] <CaptHindsight> they work ok if the coolant is running
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[17:47:35] <CaptHindsight> not good when cutting dry
[17:49:28] <dirty_d> my chinese ones work good with WD-40
[17:49:37] <dirty_d> my chinese and only ones
[17:53:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/whether-like-3d-printed-food-way/
[17:53:52] * zeeshan wishes tool makers advertised cutting edge radius
[17:54:27] <archivist> I just want effin sharp
[17:55:34] <jdh> I have some chinese ones that will slice your finget if you hold them
[17:55:54] <jdh> but the dont cut Al worth crap
[17:56:02] <zeeshan> lol
[17:57:04] <dirty_d> these are the ones i bought when i made my mill http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1243&category=-1180321415
[17:58:33] <dirty_d> cant complain
[17:58:39] <dirty_d> i assume the same company makes these http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1244
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[18:00:33] <PetefromTn_> you get what you pay for man.... will they cut? Sure... for how long and to what quality of finish...who knows.
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[18:02:06] <unfy> all of the chinese. all of it. j/k
[18:03:00] <zeeshan> mari tool's micrograin carbide endm ills dont say made in usa
[18:03:02] <zeeshan> they might be chinese
[18:04:22] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Finishers-Square-End-2-Flute-Single-End-Uncoated/c78_79_80_223/p2162/End-Mill-2-Flute-Solid-Carbide-3/4-dia-X-1.50-Flute-Length/product_info.html
[18:04:25] <zeeshan> pretty sure these are chinese
[18:04:43] <zeeshan> getting sold for 4x the cost
[18:04:44] <zeeshan> :P
[18:05:43] <PetefromTn_> no but there is some question as to whether they are US made or what from what I have read.
[18:06:16] <zeeshan> you gotta be careful of a place that sells both :P
[18:07:34] <PetefromTn_> having bought quite a few things from them I have never had anything but good experiences. Take it for what it cost ye....
[18:07:59] <zeeshan> bias! :P
[18:08:45] <zeeshan> most of my carbide cutters are niagara cutter or hanita
[18:08:49] <zeeshan> i am biased towards them :P
[18:11:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[18:12:04] <zeeshan> do your grind your own flats on end mills?
[18:12:37] <PetefromTn_> I have some of those too... all them are decent and last awhile. Maritool and LSC are as good but cheaper in my experience. There is also some new ones the last shop I worked in had that were quite good and are cheap called...YS or something
[18:12:46] <PetefromTn_> I have before why
[18:12:53] <zeeshan> how to do it on carbide
[18:13:11] <Tom_itx> with a diamond or carbide cutting wheel silly boy
[18:13:13] <PetefromTn_> well in the shop we used the surface grinder with the fixture
[18:13:15] <dirty_d> is cobalt much better than HSS where temperature isnt a problem?
[18:13:28] <zeeshan> dirty_d: makes a hell of a difference in stainless!
[18:13:39] <zeeshan> m42
[18:13:52] <dirty_d> zeeshan, how with galling?
[18:14:18] <zeeshan> use coolant
[18:15:40] <Tom_itx> use WD40 for everything!!
[18:16:01] <dirty_d> i was surprised how much of a difference WD-40 actually makes, lol
[18:16:31] <PetefromTn_> I like WD40 but it is a poor substitute for a good flood coolant hehe..
[18:16:45] <PetefromTn_> it works okay in aluminum I think.
[18:17:08] <Tom_itx> whale oil
[18:17:21] <ssi> zeeshan: did you see the drill I borrowed from delta?
[18:17:26] <zeeshan> no
[18:17:32] <dirty_d> is there a type of end mill taht works well for almost anything except hardened steel?
[18:17:47] <dirty_d> not excellent, but well
[18:17:52] <zeeshan> 2 flute carbide
[18:17:52] <_methods> 4 fluted carbide endmill
[18:17:57] <dirty_d> lol
[18:17:58] <_methods> it will work on anything
[18:17:59] <zeeshan> as long as you dont have crazy run out
[18:18:00] <Tom_itx> 3 flute carbide
[18:18:00] <ssi> zeeshan: I needed to open these 1/4" holes up to 3/8" and bush them: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRGzGIAAAfqhR.jpg:large
[18:18:02] <Tom_itx> fwt
[18:18:07] <Tom_itx> ftw*
[18:18:09] <ssi> zeeshan: and some of them are inside ribs that are impossible to get to
[18:18:19] <Tom_itx> i actually don't like 3flute
[18:18:25] <dirty_d> uncoated carbide?
[18:18:26] <zeeshan> 90 angle drill? :D
[18:18:32] <_methods> i'm no fan of 3 fluters either
[18:18:37] <ssi> zeeshan: yes exactly, which I have already
[18:18:41] <ssi> zeeshan: but I needed the right bit
[18:18:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what do you think i do with all my broken drills?
[18:18:42] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRHcsIQAE6f_C.jpg:large
[18:18:43] <_methods> but if i had to pick just one endmill it woudl be a 4 flute
[18:18:50] <_methods> since it would work for steel also
[18:18:52] <zeeshan> thats nice
[18:18:56] <Tom_itx> they either become center punches or endmills :)
[18:18:58] <zeeshan> thats the one that uses square drive
[18:18:59] <zeeshan> right?
[18:19:03] <ssi> my friend took me up to the Delta maintenance shop at Hartsfield and we checked it out of the tool crib
[18:19:08] <ssi> no it's 1/4-20 threaded
[18:19:11] <zeeshan> ah
[18:19:16] <zeeshan> not common :P
[18:19:25] <ssi> that's a .373x.248 stubby threaded core drill
[18:19:32] <ssi> <3 aviation tools :D
[18:19:38] <PetefromTn_> I love 3 flute endmills in aluminum
[18:19:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: poke people with em
[18:19:50] <_methods> i just use 2 flute
[18:20:05] <zeeshan> 2 flute doesnt need as much feed
[18:20:09] <_methods> you can get a better finish i think with 3 flute
[18:20:09] <zeeshan> :P
[18:20:17] <dirty_d> so 4-flute carbide, but with what type or no coating?
[18:20:18] <Tom_itx> 2 flute for aluminum, 4 flute for steel
[18:20:25] <zeeshan> dirty_d: you want 2 flute!
[18:20:27] <Tom_itx> and titanium
[18:20:29] <_methods> what tom said
[18:20:30] <zeeshan> unless you want to feed fast
[18:20:44] <zeeshan> and you get 4 flute, make sure its center cutting
[18:20:48] <dirty_d> zeeshan, for steel or aluminum?
[18:20:51] <zeeshan> both
[18:21:00] <zeeshan> dont forget the basics..
[18:21:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i try to get all mine centercutting
[18:21:09] <zeeshan> rpm = 4*sfm / diameter of cutter
[18:21:09] <dirty_d> so 4-flute is worse for aluminum than 2-flute is worse than for steel?
[18:21:21] <_methods> 3.86*sfm
[18:21:21] <zeeshan> feed = rpm * number of teeth * chip load per tooth
[18:21:25] <Tom_itx> i don't think roughing endmills come centercutting
[18:21:26] <zeeshan> methods hush
[18:21:31] <zeeshan> :P
[18:21:33] <Tom_itx> smaller ones might
[18:21:52] <zeeshan> dirty_d: with 4 flute, you dont have as much evacuation space
[18:21:58] <zeeshan> so you start getting chip packing
[18:22:04] <Tom_itx> but then wtf would you be roughing with a small endmill?
[18:22:06] <zeeshan> this is a problem with a ductile material
[18:22:39] <dirty_d> i constantly blast the cutter with an airgun
[18:22:51] <zeeshan> that helps
[18:22:54] <Tom_itx> i bet that's noisy
[18:22:56] <dirty_d> with wd-40 too
[18:22:58] <zeeshan> but you really need coolant
[18:22:59] <zeeshan> or wd
[18:23:04] <Tom_itx> along with your vaccuum pump...
[18:23:07] <dirty_d> i wasnt getting any chips stuck with 4 flute hss on aluminum
[18:23:09] <Tom_itx> gawd
[18:23:14] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glanze-MT2-20-mm-Indexable-Endmill-with-3-APKT-Inserts-for-Milling-Machine-etc-/371189297028 20mm too big?
[18:23:37] <zeeshan> dirty_d: do the math
[18:23:41] <zeeshan> can your machine feed fast enough?
[18:23:46] <Tom_itx> dirty_d then you're not feeding it hard enough
[18:23:46] <zeeshan> for the size of cutter you have
[18:23:47] <MattyMatt> I broke a tooth off my favourite 4 flute carbide, it was only 3mm diameter
[18:23:59] <dirty_d> zeeshan, yea my machine can only do 2000 rpm
[18:24:20] <Tom_itx> time for a new spindle
[18:24:22] <zeeshan> so yea if youre using carbide 2 flute
[18:24:32] <zeeshan> 2000 * 2 * 0.005
[18:24:40] <dirty_d> i dont really need to upgrade anything yet, because it doesnt get used enough to warrant it
[18:24:42] <zeeshan> 20 ipm feed is ok?
[18:24:43] <zeeshan> :P
[18:24:49] <zeeshan> thats like on the low side of things
[18:25:00] <dirty_d> it will go over 100
[18:25:05] <dirty_d> but i dont ever push it that hard
[18:25:12] <PetefromTn_> there is no perfect cutter for any material and the number of teeth needs to be figured into feeds and speeds regardless. It comes down to chip evacuation and the material choice..
[18:25:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lies
[18:25:40] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:26:03] <zeeshan> i;d say there is no perfect general purpose cutter :P
[18:26:19] <dirty_d> theres no perfect general purpose anything
[18:26:45] <MattyMatt> with an insert head, you can at least change the inserts
[18:27:00] <zeeshan> i like indexable holders
[18:27:01] <MattyMatt> sharper ones for alu etc
[18:27:05] <zeeshan> but becareful!
[18:27:10] <zeeshan> if you crash one , $$$$$$4
[18:27:16] <_methods> $4?
[18:27:21] <zeeshan> $
[18:27:23] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:27:35] <_methods> $4 CAD
[18:27:41] <zeeshan> =[
[18:27:43] <_methods> hahah
[18:27:51] <MattyMatt> there's a chinese 2 flute/insert one here for £18 + inserts
[18:27:54] <zeeshan> that is like 10 cents us right now
[18:28:23] <PetefromTn_> check out the YG1 brand V7 series cutters.... they are reasonable and work really well.
[18:28:26] <Tom_itx> just get high quality carbide cutters and you won't regret it
[18:28:35] <dirty_d> what coating though for 2-flute carbide for aluminum or steel
[18:28:37] <Tom_itx> they will outperform any chinese knockoff
[18:28:38] <zeeshan> why not hss
[18:28:42] <_methods> those yg-1's are nice
[18:28:57] <Tom_itx> for some things coated hss is ok
[18:29:08] <_methods> if you want to buy US micro100 makes good solid carbide
[18:29:21] <PetefromTn_> I would get uncoated for aluminum..
[18:29:53] <dirty_d> jeez, thats expensive http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/36699049
[18:30:11] <_methods> hahahhahaha
[18:30:23] <dirty_d> well, expensive for the cheapest one on the site, lol
[18:30:24] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[18:30:33] <MattyMatt> I heard on the radio today that Stanley/B&D manufactured their first power tool in US in 25 years. soon the chinese brands will be made in US too >:)
[18:30:54] <PetefromTn_> LSC makes good tools man.
[18:31:03] <dirty_d> zeeshan, where did you come up with the 0.005" chip load?
[18:31:04] <_methods> unless you're doing production or cutting hardened material for the hobby machinist you might as well stick with HSS
[18:31:17] <dirty_d> thats what i figured
[18:31:41] <dirty_d> my endmills dont even get hot to the touch on my mill
[18:31:45] <dirty_d> and thats with no coolant
[18:31:53] <MattyMatt> or carbon steel is even easier to sharpen than HSS
[18:31:54] <Tom_itx> well they shouldn't
[18:31:54] <dirty_d> 2000rpm isnt very fast
[18:31:57] <PetefromTn_> if they get hot you are doing it wrong LOL
[18:32:02] <Tom_itx> if they get hot they're not cutting
[18:32:58] <zeeshan> dirty_d: charts online
[18:33:01] <zeeshan> give you a range
[18:33:31] <dirty_d> this isnt bad http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/38dia2fluteendmill-1.aspx
[18:33:53] <MattyMatt> at low rpm, you can get higher sfm by using a larger diameter
[18:34:31] <Tom_itx> the sfm is the same
[18:34:44] <PetefromTn_> HSS endmills are fine but even on my cheap flimsy machines I used both carbide and HSS. I have run a BUNCH of HSS aluminum parts lately with a 3/8 four flute from Fastenal believe it or not..
[18:35:37] <evil_ren> i dont like hss for my open step micro mill because it wears instead of chips and will eventually lock up an axis
[18:35:39] <PetefromTn_> it was HSS as is the 1/4 finish endmill I am using to do profile and internal contours. Leaves a nice finish and was pretty cheap really..
[18:35:46] <evil_ren> carbide will chip but still cut
[18:35:48] <_methods> Tom_itx: thx for that carbide link
[18:35:50] <_methods> they have good prices
[18:35:53] <evil_ren> finish will be ass but cycle will finish
[18:36:10] <Tom_itx> _methods i hear they're good cutters too
[18:36:13] <Tom_itx> jt uses them
[18:36:21] <_methods> for those prices i'll be finding out lol
[18:36:25] <MattyMatt> how is sfm the same? I thought it was speed of the teeth at the corners that counted with an endmill
[18:36:36] <_methods> $160 for 1" 4fl
[18:36:50] <_methods> 1.5" LOC 4"OAL
[18:36:53] <_methods> i'll take it
[18:37:13] <Tom_itx> ever try travers?
[18:37:17] <MattyMatt> now that's already more expensive than that glanze
[18:37:22] <Tom_itx> we used to get cutters from them
[18:37:36] <_methods> yeah travers, enco
[18:37:41] <_methods> the usual suspects lol
[18:37:55] <_methods> i was just going to drop a travers link in here this am
[18:38:11] <_methods> was 5 dial indicators 1-4" for like $70
[18:38:15] <Tom_itx> pretty easy to figure out...
[18:38:38] <Tom_itx> i used to get their catalog
[18:38:47] <zeeshan> _methods
[18:38:48] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1-carbide-endmill-4-x1-3-4-4flut-brand-new-/221692792745?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339deb8fa9
[18:38:49] <zeeshan> :D
[18:39:27] <Tom_itx> they had to hide the business end...
[18:39:40] <zeeshan> brand new :P
[18:39:45] <_methods> yeah that's a nice score
[18:40:14] <_methods> 1 definitely looks like a regrind though
[18:40:16] <Tom_itx> once you reach that diameter it's almost profitable to get insert cutters
[18:40:17] <_methods> the one on the right
[18:41:45] <_methods> still their 1/2" dia 1" LOC 3" OAL 4fl is $34
[18:41:53] <MattyMatt> not almost. £65 for the glanze, that's ~$100 from a reputable UK supplier
[18:42:15] <MattyMatt> 20mm 3 flute
[18:42:29] <MattyMatt> weird special inserts, but hey
[18:43:56] <PetefromTn_> http://fox13now.com/2015/02/19/suv-frozen-in-time-in-parking-lot-after-ice-storm/ Pretty cool..
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[18:44:28] <_methods> the same end mill with variable helix is only $48
[18:45:10] <_methods> $5 extra for wheldon flat
[18:45:22] * _methods will just get out grinder i think
[18:46:39] <MattyMatt> PetefromTn_, fiberglass the inside :)
[18:46:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah and do it quick like hehe..
[18:46:58] <MattyMatt> or sprayfoam, if it's just for a laugh
[18:47:28] <MattyMatt> both exothermic, now I engage the LGC
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[18:52:00] <Psyfull> Hi everyone, I'm trying to contact "andypugh" (he may have changed his pseduo) on recommandation of Marcin Jakubowski of Open Source Ecology. Anyone could point me in the right direction ? Thanks !
[18:52:18] <_methods> he'll probably be on in a little bit
[18:52:26] <_methods> it's still early for him
[18:52:43] <_methods> maybe around 3pm est
[18:53:27] <dirty_d> I wonder if these are any good? http://www.mcmaster.com/#30225a72/=vzabsd
[18:53:55] <_methods> for $10 more you could get carbide from msc
[18:54:01] <_methods> tht last link you posted
[18:54:03] <zeeshan> long live GPL
[18:54:05] <zeeshan> and fu tormach !
[18:54:18] <zeeshan> ive been following the mailing list
[18:54:19] <Psyfull> Good to know thanks. I'll do my best to be back around 3pm est. Cheers.
[18:55:25] <FinboySlick> dirty_d: I think there are certain types of coating that you want to avoid in aluminium, makes the endmill more sticky.
[18:55:35] <FinboySlick> Psyfull: Assuming you want those for alu, of course.
[18:55:37] <dirty_d> FinboySlick, pretty sure its the one with Al in it
[18:56:00] <dirty_d> TiCN says for aluminum
[18:56:37] <FinboySlick> OK. If you're going to spin it very fast, you might also consider single-flute.
[18:56:42] <dirty_d> TiAlN is not for aluminum
[18:56:53] <dirty_d> im gonna spin it very slow
[19:03:08] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-carbide-endmill-for-aluminum-roughing-3-4-LOC/151536042291 would something like that do? that lloks good for aggressive cutting
[19:03:22] <Simonious> http://www.candcnc.com/PSC-650.htm <- would it be a bad idea to just hook a supply to the geckos, hook up step and direction and go - instead?
[19:04:28] <_methods> not sure what you're asking there
[19:05:17] <Simonious> I'm saying skip the extra electronics, hook the geckos to the PC, power to the Geckos and obviously the motors to the geckos and skip the candcnc extras
[19:05:28] <_methods> sure
[19:05:44] <_methods> i think most people just hook up to their own power supplies
[19:06:04] * Simonious nods
[19:07:03] <_methods> are you using their THC or something?
[19:07:18] <Simonious> sorry, expand THC for me, what?
[19:07:24] <_methods> torch height control
[19:07:28] <_methods> for plasma
[19:07:56] <Simonious> no, pulled the torch off, still running the table with that box, but thinking about pulling the box and only using the geckos
[19:08:16] <Simonious> just have a router on it now
[19:08:24] <_methods> ok
[19:09:14] <Simonious> I just want to know if that is a terrible idea for any reason
[19:09:24] <_methods> not that i know of
[19:09:31] <Simonious> Based on what I think I know about geckos it'd be a lot cleaner setup
[19:09:44] <_methods> i think they only reason you would use their stuff is if you wanted "support" from them setting up
[19:09:52] <_methods> s/they/the
[19:09:56] * Simonious nods
[19:10:00] <Simonious> that's a big 'don't care'
[19:10:14] <_methods> yeah i'd just use whatever you wanted to then
[19:10:38] <Simonious> do you happen to know if one gecko faulting can be used to trigger a fault on another gecko?
[19:10:46] <Simonious> I think that's doable, but not sure of the how just yet
[19:10:58] <_methods> hmm i've never tried that before so i'm not sure
[19:11:06] <Simonious> I'd love for both sides of the gantry to stop when one side faults...
[19:11:11] <_methods> i would think you could do that in hal if the driver has a fault output
[19:11:33] <Simonious> I'm going to show my ignrance again.. what is hal?
[19:11:48] <_methods> the linuxcnc hardware abstraction layer
[19:12:00] <_methods> it's where you set up your inputs and outputs
[19:12:06] <Simonious> ah ha
[19:12:10] <zeeshan> he's the ai robot from the movie
[19:12:15] <_methods> that too
[19:12:17] <Simonious> :D
[19:12:25] * Tom_itx pokes zeeshan with a broken drillbit
[19:12:32] <zeeshan> :)
[19:12:48] <_methods> why is thier torch height control so expensive
[19:13:02] <Simonious> Well if I want to include the endstops I don't think I have enough lines for fault feedback to LinuxCNC unless I put another parallel port on there
[19:13:23] <Simonious> I was hoping to have the drivers fault each other directly
[19:13:27] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gM3wJ6Y.jpg
[19:16:02] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/vcck0fk.jpg needs more ice...
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[19:18:00] <MattyMatt> hot water in a plant sprayer
[19:19:37] <PetefromTn_> I think I will just wait for spring...
[19:19:50] <MattyMatt> I was in holland when it rained at night, froze in the day. 2 days running. the entire country and all its bicycles were glazed like shrimp
[19:20:29] <PetefromTn_> shrimp? You mean Donuts right? hehe
[19:20:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/14.jpg
[19:20:44] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16242957797/
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[19:20:52] <zeeshan> my beater car still looks like that
[19:20:53] <zeeshan> :P
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[19:21:09] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/12.jpg
[19:21:10] <PetefromTn_> poor RX7 hehe
[19:21:11] <Tom_itx> not snow
[19:21:16] <zeeshan> that aint the rx! :P
[19:21:31] <dirty_d> im so sick of this white bullshit
[19:21:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought you said beater car...;)
[19:21:40] <zeeshan> that would be my crown jewel
[19:22:00] <zeeshan> dirty_d: racism isn't tolerated
[19:22:28] <zeeshan> :F
[19:22:49] <dirty_d> hah
[19:23:01] <ssi> zeeshan loves white bullshit
[19:23:02] <MattyMatt> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=glazed+shrimp&tbm=isch ok, google agrees glazed shrimp implies sugar, not ice
[19:23:27] <MattyMatt> NSFW, if you're a glutton
[19:23:53] <dirty_d> i havent eaten anything today you bastard
[19:23:56] <dirty_d> lol
[19:24:27] <PetefromTn_> I suddenly crave Dunkin' Donuts...
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[19:26:19] <Simonious> dang I suck with cambam, need to put the time in - when doing a pocket how does one make it either spiral in from the OUTER edge of the pocket rather the center OR go back and forth doing rows instead of spiraling?
[19:26:59] <_methods> sorry i don't know cambam at all
[19:28:12] <PetefromTn_> I think it is in region-fill style...
[19:28:43] <Simonious> looking for that option..
[19:29:13] <PetefromTn_> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20%28x86%29/CamBam%20plus%200.9.8/help/cam/Pocket.htm
[19:29:34] <PetefromTn_> oops
[19:29:38] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[19:31:01] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cambam.info/doc/plus/cam/Pocket.htm
[19:35:09] <Simonious> Region fill style, thanks found it
[19:35:24] <PetefromTn_> sure
[19:42:11] <PetefromTn_> we are heading down to 2 degrees tonight apparenlty LOVELY!!
[19:42:25] <Simonious> not sure we've gotten that warm this week...
[19:42:30] * Simonious is in northern Minnesota
[19:43:20] <PetefromTn_> why the hell do you live there again? hehe
[19:43:42] <dirty_d> speaking of cambam, how the hell do you actually interact with the geometry you import?
[19:43:48] <Simonious> to be near family..
[19:44:07] <Simonious> dirty_d: I'm a cambam newbie, still learning
[19:44:19] <PetefromTn_> not sure what you mean?
[19:44:36] <PetefromTn_> family is why I moved here too...BIG MISTAKE! LOL
[19:45:00] <PetefromTn_> define interact...
[19:45:30] <dirty_d> PetefromTn_, i mean like it just looks like it draws a 3d model and doesnt actual recognize egdes and faces etc
[19:45:48] <dirty_d> i have a block with holes in it, but i cant select the holes to drill or anything
[19:46:07] <_methods> my family all lives in oregon and washington, so i moved to south carolina
[19:46:19] <Simonious> ^ XD
[19:46:23] <_methods> heheh
[19:46:25] <ssi> I just don't have family
[19:46:46] <PetefromTn_> most of my family is in Florida... and I want to move back there.
[19:47:30] <_methods> it's nice having no familial obligations
[19:48:00] <dirty_d> PetefromTn_, ahhh, edit->surface->edge detect
[19:48:28] <dirty_d> although, yikes...
[19:48:41] <dirty_d> it turns the holes into a set of line segments
[19:49:02] <PetefromTn_> I have not done a lot of 3d work with CamBam but I believe that is how it works. It is NOT Mastercam man..LOL
[19:49:35] <PetefromTn_> I usually make a lot of stuff in it with .dxf 2d drawings of 3d parts unless I actually need a 3d toolpath somewhere..
[19:50:12] <dirty_d> hmm
[19:50:54] <PetefromTn_> for the price and what it CAN do it is hard to find anything terribly better at least from what I have seen. Fusion360 looked promising but even that has gone up in price almost immediately..
[19:54:44] <dirty_d> yea i know, free cam software is seriously lacking
[19:57:29] <PetefromTn_> if you intend to use it make sure you go to their forum and download all of the available patches of which there are quite a few that add a lot of neat stuff to the program.
[19:59:56] <dirty_d> i guess id have to buy it first, lol
[20:01:57] <PetefromTn_> don't know I don't think so....
[20:02:30] <PetefromTn_> you get so many free tries of the program and it you can keep it open on your PC you can probably use it for a very long time heh
[20:03:18] <dirty_d> especially since im using mono on linux, lol
[20:03:26] <dirty_d> im gonna try pycam
[20:03:41] <PetefromTn_> good luck
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[20:09:26] <dirty_d> wow, yea this is bad.
[20:09:38] <dirty_d> pretty sure it only supports 3d milling
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[20:59:12] <_methods> hey what's the best soldering iron for someone starting out like $50 range?
[20:59:37] <_methods> or is there even one in that range worth getting?
[20:59:46] <jdh> cheap 25w
[21:00:08] <jdh> or chinese temp controlled
[21:00:22] <jdh> check mpjaa.com
[21:00:47] <_methods> nothing at mpjaa.com
[21:00:55] <_methods> bad link
[21:02:02] <PetefromTn_> anyone got an online news link that is like TV real time video?
[21:02:22] <_methods> do you have cable?
[21:02:33] <PetefromTn_> no
[21:02:37] <_methods> dish?
[21:02:42] <PetefromTn_> nope
[21:02:52] <PetefromTn_> we have cable high speed iternet
[21:03:19] <_methods> so you do have cable
[21:03:25] <_methods> oh but not tv lol
[21:03:29] <PetefromTn_> no cable tv
[21:03:58] <_methods> well.......... i'd personally just pull the block off my line lol
[21:04:06] <_methods> and watch tv as normal
[21:04:31] <dirty_d> _methods, i have this and its nice http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-2in1-SMD-Soldering-Rework-Station-Hot-Air-Iron-852D-5Tips-ESD-PLCC-BGA-/181139781537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2cc5b7a1
[21:04:31] <PetefromTn_> there is no TV just cable internet
[21:05:09] <_methods> yeah there is no tv because they put a filter on your line
[21:05:09] <dirty_d> the hot air gun is good for heat shrink tubing too
[21:05:43] <PetefromTn_> no we now have that digital TV and there is none unless you buy it...not even at the pole LOL
[21:06:04] <_methods> i think they are mandated to have the basic cable channels in the clear
[21:06:13] <_methods> so you would be able to get maybe like 15 channels
[21:06:22] <_methods> if they went full encrypted
[21:06:41] <_methods> i think on ours now you can get like 35 channels qam
[21:06:44] <_methods> in the clear
[21:07:00] <_methods> everything else is encrypted
[21:07:25] <PetefromTn_> no idea but was really looking for an online source
[21:07:36] <_methods> well they killed aero
[21:07:38] <Rab> _methods, the best semi-pro soldering station you can get is the Hakko FX-888. It costs more around $80 though.
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[21:07:50] <_methods> yeah i was thinking that
[21:08:02] <_methods> i've never used the hakko station though
[21:08:09] <_methods> i've got a jbc
[21:08:23] <_methods> but someone i know was askin what they should get in that low end range
[21:08:50] <_methods> personally i'd just drop the $200 on a real metcal used or something
[21:08:52] <Rab> Weller unfortunately have fallen off in quality in recent years. I use Weller at work and at home, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[21:08:56] <_methods> lol weller
[21:09:10] <_methods> i wouln't heat up a grilled cheese sandwich with a weller
[21:09:22] <jdh> heh. price didnt drop with quality
[21:09:38] <PetefromTn_> I got a Radio Shack one LOL
[21:09:41] <Rab> Shrug, when they work they work great. But you can say the same about AOYUE and clones.
[21:10:18] <_methods> you can find a metcal mx-500 for like $200
[21:10:35] <Rab> AOYUE/etc are definitely the best price/performance option for hot air, but they're basic china quality.
[21:11:40] <Rab> I know friends with Metcals and they like them...I had to throw in the "semi-pro" qualifier, which basically means Weller/Hakko to me.
[21:11:50] <_methods> i try to tell the guy he's better off spending $200 or so than wasting it on a $50-100 set up
[21:12:05] <_methods> yeah i hear good stuff about the fx888
[21:12:09] <_methods> i've just never used one
[21:12:26] <_methods> i might get one just to try out
[21:12:42] <Rab> Depends, if he's not doing production or serious hacking then the extra $100 can buy a number of other needed tools.
[21:13:05] <_methods> yeah
[21:13:08] <_methods> i agree
[21:13:43] <Rab> And that $200 figure...is that just the base? Pencil? Tips? Could add up fast beyond newbie pocket change.
[21:14:27] <_methods> you can find a base and handle with tip for ~$200 on ebay pretty much all the time
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[21:15:11] <Rab> Our last local electronics place liquidated all their stuff at or below cost...my friend had a Metcal tip orgy, I went for Kester solder. ^_^
[21:16:19] <_methods> yeah i'm not seeing too much on ebay right now though
[21:16:28] <_methods> but usually there are tons of the mx500's on there
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[21:24:17] <Psyfull> OK. I have to disconnect. Any chance someone has andypugh email ? Or if you can tell him to ping me at yann@velocar.cc ? Thanks again.
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[21:34:55] * adb link that velocar.cc
[21:37:36] <Psyfull> * adb link that velocar.cc > no emails adress allowed ?
[21:38:31] <adb> maybe , just first reading for now
[21:39:09] <Psyfull> Can you still transmit the message to andypugh ?
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[21:39:46] <Psyfull> or if you now a way to contact him.
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[21:40:45] <Psyfull> *know
[21:41:13] <adb> if i :ll seen him i:ll tel
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[21:43:22] <adb> yah see
[21:43:27] <anarchos2> man I think i need new limit/home switches
[21:43:35] <Psyfull> Thanks. If my email adress was blocked > yann (arobase) velocar (dot) cc
[21:43:41] <anarchos2> my debounce is set to 200 and I still get random limit switch errors :/
[21:43:48] <Psyfull> Have a nice day/evening !
[21:44:17] <adb> andypugh, Psyfull> OK. I have to disconnect. Any chance someone has andypugh email ? Or if you can tell him to ping me at yann@velocar.cc ? Thanks again.
[21:45:15] <andypugh> Ye still there?
[21:45:29] <adb> Psyfull, done , andypugh just comings
[21:45:35] <andypugh> I have been playing around with a slicer for a DLP.
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[21:46:02] <andypugh> This is fun: download this file then open it in a web browser http://filebin.ca/1sEXd87j1MJJ
[21:46:18] <anarchos2> is there a changelog for 2.6.6 yet?
[21:47:31] <andypugh> Then change the URL with a numer at the end, something like file:///Users/andypugh/Downloads/newfile_script.svg?2.12
[21:47:58] <andypugh> And the SVG only displays the Z-slize corresponding to the number :-)
[21:50:58] <Psyfull> Hi anypugh, sorry wrong timing on my side, someone already waiting for me. We can meet tomorrow here 3 or 4 pm est or can you communicate through mail ?
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[21:51:54] <MacGalempsy> hello
[21:52:21] <andypugh> bodgesoc@gmail.com
[21:53:20] <MacGalempsy> Guys last night linuxcnc was working well, then I shut it all down unplugged the machine, then when I started it up the program terminates with errors. can someone help me figure out the issue?
[21:53:43] <Psyfull> Great. I'll shoot you a mail before end of week. Have a nice day :)
[21:54:02] <adb> Psyfull, a+
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[21:56:03] <PetefromTn_> I am sure if you post a pastebin of the error someone here might be able to help you...
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[21:59:41] <Tom_itx> _methods reading the scrollback, i've got a weller WTCPT
[22:00:05] <Tom_itx> with several tips
[22:02:08] <Tom_itx> but it's older and has worked well for years
[22:02:21] <MacGalempsy> Weller really is the only way to go
[22:02:46] <Tom_itx> they were just bashing it after he asked above
[22:02:52] <Tom_itx> i like mine just fine
[22:02:52] <Deejay> gn8
[22:03:14] <MacGalempsy> later Deejay
[22:03:25] <Tom_itx> i've had a few cheap ones that maybe lasted a day or two
[22:03:27] <Deejay> see ya :)
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[22:04:02] <Tom_itx> the only reason i've replaced tips on mine is i happened to lose one
[22:04:58] <MacGalempsy> I picked up a EC4001 ESD at a steal a few years back. need to get a bigger tip
[22:05:25] <_methods> yeah weller was ok back in the day
[22:06:25] <Rab> Tom_itx, I've had several failures with the WES11 and WESD11 stations. The ferromagnetic regulation in the WTCPT is pretty bulletproof, but that station costs quite a bit more than the stated $50 budget.
[22:06:29] <LeelooMinai> You don't have to spend more than $100 to have decent rework station nowadays (that is solder iron + air)
[22:06:45] <_methods> i have one of those ghetto chinese rework soldering stations
[22:06:47] <_methods> it works
[22:06:50] <Tom_itx> Rab you pretty much get what you pay for
[22:07:03] <_methods> i have a jbc ad2700 and it blows everything i've ever used away
[22:07:16] <Tom_itx> but i don't need a $1500 soldering station either
[22:07:17] <Rab> Oops...WES51/WESD51.
[22:07:18] <LeelooMinai> Is that one of those inductive irons?
[22:07:28] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai mine is
[22:07:30] <_methods> yeah as soon as i pick it up i can solder
[22:07:30] <MacGalempsy> my longest surviving soldering iron is the radioshack pencil from 15 years ago
[22:07:46] <LeelooMinai> Those are nice, but there are not cheap ones afaik
[22:07:47] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy i burned 2 of those up in one day
[22:08:00] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: you must have got the bad batch
[22:08:03] <MacGalempsy> lol
[22:08:41] <PetefromTn_> my little Radio Shack POS station has worked perfectly fine each time I used it heh I think it was like $25.00
[22:09:02] <LeelooMinai> I have this one for 3 years or so and it's great value: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SMD-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-GQ-5200-Welding-Soldering-Iron-/310368958756?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item48436e7924
[22:09:39] <_methods> yeah i have the digital version of that
[22:09:57] <_methods> broke the heating element in the pencil changing tips
[22:10:16] <LeelooMinai> If you are into SMD, you need to desolder something sometimes, need something to heatshrink, the air is super-useful
[22:10:35] <LeelooMinai> _methods: The replacement soldering irons are like $8:)
[22:10:43] <_methods> if you have one
[22:10:48] <_methods> they seem to break when you need one
[22:10:52] <_methods> and don't have another one
[22:10:54] <_methods> lol
[22:10:59] <LeelooMinai> That's why I bought one just in case
[22:11:08] <_methods> i have 4 now just in case
[22:11:13] <LeelooMinai> ...
[22:11:24] <_methods> that heating element is made out of powdered sand or something
[22:11:29] <LeelooMinai> I have not broken mine in 3 years - not sure what you are doing there:)
[22:11:31] <_methods> sandstone lol
[22:11:40] <_methods> obviously more than you
[22:11:41] <PetefromTn_> we learned it when I was in the Coast Guard with a nice station wish I could remember what it was called..
[22:11:47] <LeelooMinai> Maybe you have hands like Shrek? :)
[22:11:53] <_methods> probably
[22:12:03] <_methods> if you're not breakin shit you're not making shit
[22:12:28] <PetefromTn_> I'm not makin' shit...
[22:12:29] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Here's me not making anything then:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/
[22:12:50] <LeelooMinai> Every board there is designed and assembled by me for hobby
[22:14:09] <LeelooMinai> But maybe I need to break my iron to be more, I don't know, credible? :)
[22:14:17] <_methods> yes
[22:14:21] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:14:52] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: now it seems to be working again...
[22:14:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah man.. You don't know shit about breakin' irons yet hehe
[22:15:06] <PetefromTn_> what is?
[22:15:08] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if one of the updates screwed it up
[22:15:29] <LeelooMinai> But anyways - those expensive inductive irons are nice, but $100 will get you by too. The only fail would be buying something for $10 without temperature controll imho
[22:15:40] <MacGalempsy> the issue I was having is gone now that linuxcnc was reinstalled and the configs were loaded fresh
[22:15:46] <PetefromTn_> I FAIL!
[22:15:59] <PetefromTn_> great man!
[22:16:12] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You have one of those "fire sticks"? :)
[22:16:52] <PetefromTn_> HELL YEAH!!
[22:17:10] <PetefromTn_> It'll burn the piss out of you ask me how I know...
[22:17:49] <LeelooMinai> My father used to have such a thing, but that was 30 years ago
[22:17:50] <_methods> especially your carpet
[22:18:07] <_methods> go to grab beer
[22:18:12] <LeelooMinai> The "tip" was a chunk of copper too:)
[22:18:16] <_methods> pencil goes flaming to carpet
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[22:20:42] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a station like you have and perhaps a nice O scope too but I have other things I need more at the moment.
[22:21:34] <_methods> yeah one day i'll get a scope but good magnifying glass is my next purchase
[22:21:36] * PetefromTn_ wonders if I should start chipping the ice from my Truck so I can go to the store...
[22:21:49] <LeelooMinai> You can always buy $300 or so rigol ds1052E or $400 one Z series one - they are great entry scopes and good value
[22:21:55] <_methods> when i do my first servo build i'll get a scope
[22:22:01] <_methods> but until then i really don't need one
[22:22:06] <PetefromTn_> I have one of those lighted table magnifying glasses....
[22:22:09] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ naw... wait for spring
[22:22:24] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx But the kids need milk and bread no?
[22:22:35] <_methods> steal from neighbors lol
[22:22:41] <Tom_itx> ever hear of delivery?
[22:22:43] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:22:43] <PetefromTn_> OOh thats a good idea
[22:23:22] <PetefromTn_> I will kick down their door and demand milk and bread and say that Methods told me to do it ;)
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[22:24:45] <_methods> hehe
[22:24:56] <_methods> grab me a sandvich too
[22:25:20] <PetefromTn_> I could stub my toe on the door tho probably easier just to defrost the Bronco....Sigh
[22:26:06] <_methods> it's even like 29 deg here too
[22:26:13] <_methods> i need to move to mexico
[22:26:29] <PetefromTn_> no man FLORIDA.... Mexico is crazy...
[22:27:06] <_methods> florida is crazy
[22:27:11] <_methods> whacky stop lights
[22:27:16] <PetefromTn_> heh probably
[22:27:25] <Tom_itx> you might fit right in
[22:27:28] <PetefromTn_> but I grew up there which might explain a lot...
[22:28:24] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys use for solder sucking? I ask knowing the answers that might come heh
[22:28:45] <Tom_itx> i have a solder sucker but i use solderwick
[22:29:22] <PetefromTn_> Ok
[22:29:29] <_methods> i have solderpult, solderwick and a hakko 808
[22:29:35] <_methods> the 808 is the shit
[22:29:53] <_methods> i only bust it out when i have a lot to desolder though
[22:30:13] <PetefromTn_> You guys got all the toys
[22:30:24] <_methods> the 808 is worth it's weight in gold
[22:30:32] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: If you design in SMD, you don't really need "solder sucker" :)
[22:31:05] <PetefromTn_> what if you screw it up?
[22:31:15] <LeelooMinai> If you for some reason need to desolder a lot of th parts, there are special desoldering "guns"
[22:31:16] <_methods> with smd you can just use wick
[22:31:32] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You usually desolder parts with air if their are smd
[22:31:56] <LeelooMinai> That's why combined soldering iron + air like I have is often called "smd rework station"
[22:32:26] <PetefromTn_> so those boards only have holes for mounting right..
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[22:32:54] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: And connectors here and there - but in general you deal with pads not holes
[22:33:00] <PetefromTn_> I should send you my damn main board for my Forced air heater that took a dump on me!
[22:33:57] <LeelooMinai> But good soldering wick is a good thing to have - it comes handy when you have to remove solder from some places
[22:34:06] <PetefromTn_> but you would probably critique my reflow job on the bigger pins and bash me on here in front of God and the world!!
[22:34:20] <LeelooMinai> Because air will melt it, but sometimes you also need to get rid of it:)
[22:34:35] <_methods> like farting?
[22:35:13] <PetefromTn_> I never fart
[22:35:17] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Are you 10 btw? :)
[22:35:52] <_methods> 11
[22:35:54] <PetefromTn_> why are you looking for a date? hehe
[22:36:06] <unfy> 10, linux, and cnc. sounds like someone's on the fast track to awesome ? :D
[22:36:27] <unfy> not to mention them keen magnifying lenses
[22:37:06] <_methods> hahah
[22:37:08] <PetefromTn_> Hell he passed by awesome and is straight on the road to FREAKIN' AMAZING!!
[22:37:12] <_methods> i should have bought themn
[22:37:19] <_methods> i need them before halloween
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[22:37:50] <_methods> those things were freaking awesome
[22:37:55] <_methods> need to add some leds to them
[22:38:22] <unfy> see, some green or red instead of the whites they came with would be the way to go
[22:38:56] <unfy> and put a res in line with it so that they're dim
[22:39:10] <_methods> definitely red
[22:39:22] <_methods> like the crazy cult guys on city of lost children
[22:39:43] <Aero-Tec3> can a variable contain text?
[22:40:25] <Aero-Tec3> like #<var1>= betty
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[22:40:45] <Aero-Tec3> or "betty"
[22:41:12] <Aero-Tec3> want to make things more readable
[22:43:26] <_methods> i dont think so
[22:43:29] <_methods> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:parameters
[22:43:57] <_methods> The only value type supported by parameters is floating-point; there are no string, boolean or integer types in G-code like in other programming languages.
[22:45:16] <Cromaglious> I wouldn't call G Code a programming language, it's more of a parameter script
[22:45:33] <_methods> that's straight from the linuxcnc wiki
[22:45:46] <_methods> i'm not smart enough to make a sentence that articulate
[22:46:02] <Cromaglious> well they're ID 10 T's
[22:46:54] <PetefromTn_> Funny I thought I have been PROGRAMMING my machine with G code for a long time now hehe
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[22:48:12] <_methods> i think g code is a "language" that is translated to TCL (tool cutter language)by the controller/linuxcnc
[22:48:21] <_methods> but once again i'm just makin things up so
[22:48:32] <Aero-Tec3> good things can be done with gcode programming
[22:48:43] <Cromaglious> You need a program written in a programming language to interpret a G Code script
[22:48:52] <Aero-Tec3> change a few things and a whole new part comes out
[22:49:11] <Aero-Tec3> I could do that as well
[22:49:28] <Aero-Tec3> but this is quicker
[22:49:43] <Cromaglious> hmm 2:49pm time to check mail
[22:49:47] <Aero-Tec3> less work
[22:50:58] <Aero-Tec3> thanks for the info
[22:57:19] <Cromaglious> woo hoo, 3/32" carbide endmills and 1/2" cool block for the band saw
[22:58:33] <PetefromTn_> Well chippin' ice here... Gotta get some milk and bread. BBL
[22:58:48] <Tom_itx> just toss hot water on it
[22:59:05] <PetefromTn_> I did... there is a LOT of ice
[22:59:30] <Tom_itx> you'll bust your windshield doing that
[23:00:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know...
[23:00:43] <PetefromTn_> I put it on the grille and hood
[23:00:57] <PetefromTn_> BBL guys...
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[23:01:57] <Cromaglious> I'd spray pam on the windshield before I went to bed
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[23:02:49] <_methods> maybe park in the garage...............
[23:02:55] <_methods> oh nm it's full of linuxcnc lol
[23:03:09] <Cromaglious> also used olive oil a couple of times...
[23:03:17] <Cromaglious> You can IF you have a garage
[23:03:29] <Cromaglious> or have room in the garage
[23:04:53] <Cromaglious> yep, I'm gonna have to get a 2nd parallel port board startech has a nice 2port one.. that'll give me three port
[23:10:46] <Aero-Tec3> got a 2 car garage, no room for cars, all work shop, the way god meant it to be, the car thing is all about units of measure, nothing to do with actually putting cars in it
[23:11:16] <Aero-Tec3> who would every do such a crazy thing as part cars in a garage?
[23:11:35] <Aero-Tec3> it is unnatural
[23:12:08] <_methods> i had to park my car in garage one time when i was hiding from the police
[23:12:15] <_methods> that was the last time my car went in the garage lol
[23:12:21] <Aero-Tec3> lol
[23:13:45] <Cromaglious> mine is all storage except when the door is up I can use my lathe
[23:13:58] <Cromaglious> My table saw is buried behind the lathe
[23:16:43] <Cromaglious> hmmm looking at the 0.78"x4" ER16 straight shank collet holder.. with a bit of work that could be turned into a spindle shaft
[23:17:34] <Cromaglious> bearing at the bottom, bearing at the top, stop collar/pulley at the top, presto spindle shaft
[23:18:11] <Cromaglious> little wavy washer between the pulley and the top bearing for preload
[23:29:28] <JT-Shop> there is always room for my wifes car in the garage... not much else will fit
[23:31:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you know if i need to hook the spindle encoder index signal up to anything special to use it for sync'd motion moves?
[23:31:19] <zeeshan> you do
[23:31:36] <Tom_itx> to what?
[23:31:44] <zeeshan> to a pin :-)
[23:31:44] <Tom_itx> hopefully i'll have reverse tonight
[23:31:48] <Tom_itx> well duh
[23:32:13] <JT-Shop> yea, Tom_itx motion spindle index or something like that
[23:32:23] <zeeshan> oh that
[23:32:26] <Tom_itx> it's already on a pin using hm2 encoder function
[23:32:34] <JT-Shop> in the Integrators manual look at the spindle examples
[23:32:39] <Tom_itx> i'll check on it..
[23:32:43] <zeeshan> too much work
[23:32:45] <zeeshan> just copy and paste this
[23:32:46] <zeeshan> lol
[23:32:49] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html
[23:33:09] <Tom_itx> i think i've looked at that
[23:33:10] <zeeshan> is it a quadrature encoder?
[23:33:18] * JT-Shop spent all day in a poop pumping plant trying to sort out analog signals gone bad
[23:33:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:33:24] <zeeshan> and youre feeding it to mesa ?
[23:33:27] <zeeshan> encoder ?
[23:33:28] <zeeshan> or gpio
[23:33:28] <Tom_itx> yep
[23:33:38] <Tom_itx> mesa or bust
[23:33:43] <zeeshan> well it depends
[23:33:44] <zeeshan> if its on gpio
[23:33:45] <zeeshan> or encoder
[23:33:57] <zeeshan> if you use encoder input at mesa
[23:34:07] <zeeshan> then you can use the fancy fast clock speed counting stuff :P
[23:34:09] <zeeshan> hardware counting
[23:34:45] <Tom_itx> i don't have PID on it but i do have pwm working
[23:34:58] <Tom_itx> and finishing wiring fwd/rev tonight probably
[23:35:06] <Tom_itx> all tested and the signals do what i want
[23:35:22] <Tom_itx> delay so there's no load on the relays during switching
[23:35:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you see the timing chart?
[23:36:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic2.jpg
[23:36:43] <Tom_itx> everything switches after inhibit
[23:37:00] <Tom_itx> the logic switch and actual relay contacts are shown there
[23:37:15] <zeeshan> fancy
[23:37:16] <zeeshan> :D
[23:37:25] <Tom_itx> takes the guesswork out
[23:37:56] <Tom_itx> i could half the inhibit signal and still be ok...
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[23:44:02] <zeeshan> Tom_itx:
[23:44:08] <zeeshan> is that output from a usb scope ?
[23:45:04] <Tom_itx> that's my saleae logic analizer
[23:45:26] <zeeshan> how does it work?
[23:45:32] <zeeshan> analizer ?
[23:45:33] <zeeshan> :-)
[23:45:42] <Tom_itx> ya ya
[23:46:12] <Tom_itx> https://www.saleae.com/
[23:46:18] <Tom_itx> they've got analog now too i think
[23:46:25] <Tom_itx> which is pretty cool
[23:46:36] <Tom_itx> with 10v logic signals now instead of just 5
[23:46:54] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: yah, their products are ridiculously good, for the price
[23:48:44] <zeeshan> so this is a DAQ ?
[23:51:48] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:51:55] <zeeshan> this looks nice
[23:51:59] <zeeshan> looks good for load cell input
[23:52:21] <zeeshan> is it compatible only with their software?
[23:52:24] <Tom_itx> they just came out with the analog stuff
[23:52:26] <zeeshan> or can i use it with matlab and labview?
[23:52:31] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[23:52:38] <zeeshan> im looking at the logic 8
[23:52:41] <Tom_itx> they have an api
[23:52:41] <zeeshan> looks very much like what i need
[23:52:53] <Tom_itx> i got the logic which is the older logic8
[23:53:06] <Tom_itx> first project paid for it :)
[23:53:22] <_methods> i bought a chinese knock off one for $6
[23:53:23] <_methods> lol
[23:53:36] <Tom_itx> i'd get the pro 8 if i were doing it over
[23:53:48] <zeeshan> it should keep up with the strain rate
[23:55:06] <Tom_itx> milled aluminum enclosure, not some cheap plastic crap
[23:55:29] <zeeshan> yea fuck the chinese bs
[23:55:38] <zeeshan> i try to buy north american stuff if i can
[23:55:42] <zeeshan> especially since it's not my own money :-)
[23:55:55] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im a bit confused
[23:56:02] <zeeshan> do you tap off a signal?
[23:56:05] <zeeshan> but splicing into the wire?
[23:56:18] <Tom_itx> just like you would use a volt meter
[23:56:21] <Tom_itx> gnd and signal
[23:56:22] <zeeshan> ah!
[23:56:24] <evil_ren> heh, needle probe
[23:56:39] <Tom_itx> they have microclips
[23:56:40] <zeeshan> this is a very useful tool
[23:56:46] <zeeshan> thank you for this!
[23:56:55] <Tom_itx> you can testdrive their software
[23:56:55] <zeeshan> the question is
[23:57:04] <zeeshan> is noise a big issue :P
[23:57:51] <tjb1> JT-Shop: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcrocholl/15965222710/in/photostream/
[23:59:03] <evil_ren> zeeshan: noise in typical systems is well under 100mV, which shouldnt affect a logic analyzer or most any digital systems
[23:59:27] <evil_ren> if noise is the actual issue youre trying to deal with, you want a scope
[23:59:33] <zeeshan> well i have analog outputs
[23:59:34] <zeeshan> from a load cell
[23:59:38] <zeeshan> 3mV/V
[23:59:41] <zeeshan> sometimes 5mV/V
[23:59:55] <zeeshan> i want to log the data from the load cell
[23:59:58] <zeeshan> and make use of it.