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[00:00:05] * zeeshan is waiting for paint to try
[00:00:06] <zeeshan> dry
[00:07:37] <XXCoder> cool
[00:08:04] <zeeshan> frosting didnt block light
[00:08:08] <zeeshan> it did need a coat of paint
[00:08:24] <XXCoder> yeah thats what I guessed
[00:08:31] <XXCoder> it would blur light but still light
[00:08:32] <zeeshan> i really thought frosting would work!
[00:08:34] <zeeshan> yea
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[00:45:44] <witnit_> what is the highest number of .gpio.xxx. pins that mesa puts out?
[00:45:52] <witnit_> on one card
[00:47:13] <ssi> depends on the card
[00:48:28] <witnit_> ?
[00:48:37] <witnit_> so whats the HIGHEST
[00:48:46] <ssi> I dunno
[00:48:49] <ssi> probably less than .999 :)
[00:48:53] <witnit_> ha yeah :)
[00:49:31] <witnit_> I am making a spreadsheet to auto fill hm2_xxxx.gpio.xxx.xxxx TRUE/FALSE and was wondering the highest anyone would ever need
[00:49:41] <witnit_> so you can copy and paste to your .hal
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[00:56:14] <XXCoder> some hackers apparently broke apple's lightining plug protocols
[00:56:25] <XXCoder> might mean they now can root iphones
[00:56:36] <XXCoder> dont care much fo slavery made phones though
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[00:57:13] <malcom2073> Quite a barren household that soapbox leads to.
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[01:03:17] <pcw_home> most pins per card is 144 currently
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[01:04:18] <zeeshan-mill> man
[01:04:38] <zeeshan-mill> i cant get this bloody thing stablized
[01:04:44] <XXCoder> the disk?
[01:04:47] <zeeshan-mill> im uisng a 50 tooth gear
[01:04:51] <zeeshan-mill> and its still being a bastard
[01:05:19] <zeeshan-mill> at 10hz @ motor it gives an okay wave
[01:05:27] <zeeshan-mill> at 20hz it goes crazy
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[01:06:52] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/BM4E5XR.png <<-- at 20hz
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[01:07:43] <zeeshan-mill> sorry thats at 10hz
[01:07:58] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/HU35Oho.png
[01:07:59] <zeeshan-mill> at 20hz
[01:08:13] <XXCoder> thats weird
[01:08:21] <XXCoder> ypu sure its disk and not hardware
[01:08:31] <zeeshan-mill> i think disk is fine
[01:08:36] <zeeshan-mill> something up with the hardware
[01:08:41] <pcw_home> aliasing error
[01:08:47] <zeeshan-mill> whats aliasing
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[01:10:02] <zeeshan-mill> "effect that makes signals indistinguishable"
[01:10:10] <pcw_home> you are sampling the inputs at 2 KHz (500 usec) and you have 2ms per division so theres 1/4 division of uncertainty in your plot
[01:10:52] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[01:11:05] <zeeshan-mill> i should sample just 2
[01:11:08] <pcw_home> basically a beat between the data and the sample rate
[01:11:09] <zeeshan-mill> at 4khz
[01:11:29] <pcw_home> should be better at 4 KHz
[01:11:33] <zeeshan-mill> lemme try
[01:12:59] <pcw_home> without a real scope you have to rely on plots at low speeds and the timing data of the OPTO modules
[01:13:34] <zeeshan-mill> you cant increase the sample rate in halscope?
[01:14:10] <pcw_home> No, the only way is increase the servo thread rate
[01:14:14] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[01:14:21] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[01:14:26] <zeeshan-mill> so i guess i just have to trust my low speed data
[01:14:46] <XXCoder> that was 4 samples, and 2 worked fine?
[01:14:48] <XXCoder> try 3
[01:14:54] <XXCoder> if possible
[01:15:54] <zeeshan-mill> om monitor spindle revs
[01:15:56] <pcw_home> yes (checking the encoder velocity tracking will give you an idea if it goes south at a high speed)
[01:15:57] <zeeshan-mill> and spindle-vel-fb
[01:16:06] <zeeshan-mill> and just at low speed its going craz
[01:16:13] <zeeshan-mill> keeps jumping between 5-10
[01:16:16] <zeeshan-mill> and back and forth
[01:16:48] <zeeshan-mill> oh i forgot to change encoder scale to 50
[01:16:49] <zeeshan-mill> whoops
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[01:20:02] <zeeshan-mill> do you need index to work correctly
[01:20:07] <zeeshan-mill> to display velocity correctly?
[01:20:17] <zeeshan-mill> or is that just going to effect # of revs
[01:20:20] <pcw_home> no
[01:21:12] <pcw_home> index is used for homing, threading, and rigid tapping but has no influence on velocity
[01:22:29] <zeeshan-mill> yea something is wrong
[01:22:56] <zeeshan-mill> i should be close to 250 rpm
[01:23:05] <zeeshan-mill> and this thing is jumping between 25-45
[01:23:21] <zeeshan-mill> for velocity
[01:23:45] <pcw_home> which velocity pin?
[01:24:23] <zeeshan-mill> hm2_5i25.0.encoder.05.velocity
[01:24:33] <pcw_home> velocity from the encoder is in RPS (and scale should be 200 for a 50 slot wheel)
[01:24:42] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[01:27:50] <pcw_home> if you run it quite slowly (so the scope sample frequency is much higher than the frequency of the output waveform)
[01:27:51] <pcw_home> and plot the quadrature you may see that there are quadrature errors remaining
[01:28:17] <zeeshan-mill> ill put it in back gear
[01:28:28] <zeeshan-mill> velocity is jumping quite a bite
[01:28:29] <zeeshan-mill> bit
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[01:29:20] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[01:29:26] <zeeshan-mill> looks pretty good!
[01:29:29] <pcw_home> for low resolution encoders, the accuracy of the quadrature determines the velocity estimate accuracy to a large extent
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[01:29:57] <zeeshan-mill> im gonna post a ss
[01:30:01] <zeeshan-mill> please tell me what you think
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[01:31:08] <zeeshan-mill> man im definitely upgrading themotherboard next month
[01:31:13] <zeeshan-mill> cant take how slow this comp is lol
[01:33:18] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/BM4E5XR.png
[01:33:58] <skunkworks> that looks better..
[01:34:46] <pcw_home> need slower (or real scope) to check your wheel
[01:35:42] <pcw_home> 1/4 that speed would be good
[01:35:45] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[01:35:53] <zeeshan-mill> the only best thing i can do is
[01:35:55] <zeeshan-mill> spin it by hand
[01:36:01] <zeeshan-mill> slowly..
[01:36:12] <zeeshan-mill> its a pain in the butt to change my vfd configs right now
[01:36:18] <zeeshan-mill> cause its set to min freq 10hz
[01:37:14] <pcw_home> will your MB run at a 4 KHz servo thread?
[01:37:55] <zeeshan-mill> i thinkso
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[01:38:08] <zeeshan-mill> i spun it by hand
[01:38:11] <zeeshan-mill> and i see square waves now
[01:38:15] <zeeshan-mill> not trapezoids!
[01:38:48] <zeeshan-mill> is spinning by hand not acceptable?
[01:39:00] <zeeshan-mill> i guess its not consistent.
[01:39:09] <pcw_home> Its hard to tell with the +-500 usec jitter but it looks like red is lagging by more than 90 degrees
[01:39:22] <zeeshan-mill> lemme change the min freq of the vfd.
[01:39:26] * zeeshan-mill busts out manual
[01:39:52] <zeeshan-mill> actually elmme try changin the servo thread first
[01:39:53] <zeeshan-mill> thats easier
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[01:40:31] <witnit_> Here is a quick way to draw up all 144 pins at once or cut and paste what you need insert variables such as hm2_7i90. etc etc invert_output. any suggestions you guys have let me know
[01:40:33] <witnit_> http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=26535728561106969257&t=2653572856110696925715238
[01:40:55] <witnit_> openoffice spreadsheet
[01:40:57] <witnit_> btw
[01:42:03] <witnit_> I left it basic enough you should be able to use it as an example for other hardware printer ports and such
[01:45:07] <zeeshan-mill> if max jitter is 22000 ns
[01:45:14] <zeeshan-mill> i can run a servo thread of 100000 ?
[01:45:19] <zeeshan-mill> safely
[01:45:33] <pcw_home> Usually not
[01:45:37] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[01:45:52] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/BM4E5XR.png
[01:45:59] <zeeshan-mill> here is the scope at 4khz
[01:46:36] <pcw_home> umm thats the same one as before
[01:46:48] <zeeshan-mill> its 8000 samples at 4khz!
[01:47:03] <zeeshan-mill> before it was at 2khz
[01:47:34] <pcw_home> same url, same 2 KHz png
[01:47:46] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/Vb7PkGn.png
[01:47:49] <zeeshan-mill> sorry
[01:48:11] <XXCoder> looks reasonable
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[01:48:46] <ssi> zeeshan wtf are you doing working on machines tonight
[01:48:52] <ssi> shouldn't you be out with the ladies or something? :P
[01:48:56] <zeeshan-mill> no
[01:49:03] <zeeshan-mill> i already did an early vday
[01:49:04] <zeeshan-mill> :]
[01:49:06] <ssi> :P
[01:50:53] <pcw_home> looks like decent quadrature and will count right but enough distortion to need filtering of the velocity
[01:51:15] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[01:51:51] <zeeshan-mill> filteris currently set to 1
[01:52:06] <fluffybitchx> got a carload of yard sale stuff today, all of it cheap! yay!
[01:52:46] <pcw_home> Not that filter...
[01:52:47] <witnit_> :) nice, show us the goooods
[01:52:48] <pcw_home> velocity estimation when the encoder edge rate is less than the sample rate is done by measuring the time between edges
[01:53:55] <zeeshan-mill> how do i filter it?
[01:54:06] <pcw_home> lowpass
[01:54:15] <fluffybitchx> nothing too incredibly shiny, just cheap stuff. a cutter for up to 1.5" steel cable, $1. several unopened cans of bondo, $1. an epoxy resin kit with a couple cans of resin and hardener, microfibers, thickeners, etc, $1. a porter-cable hinge template set, $1. some like-new shovels, weed puller, maul, and pick, $1 each. etc.
[01:54:39] <zeeshan-mill> how close will my velocity to be actual?
[01:54:43] <zeeshan-mill> *to actual
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[01:55:00] <pcw_home> You can never have too many shovels...
[01:55:04] <ssi> what flavor of epoxy?
[01:55:06] <zeeshan-mill> hahah
[01:55:09] <XXCoder> hey fur
[01:55:11] <zeeshan-mill> nice fluffybitchx
[01:55:22] <XXCoder> ssi: strawberry ;)
[01:55:23] <pcw_home> the average should be right on
[01:55:26] <ssi> mmm
[01:55:31] <zeeshan-mill> cutter for steel cable is nice
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[01:57:10] <zeeshan-mill> should i be sending the filtered velocity to motion.spindle-speed-in?
[01:58:23] <furrywolf> ssi:
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/ that flavor
[01:58:36] <pcw_home> yes
[01:58:39] <ssi> good choice
[01:58:43] <ssi> did you get the mix ratio pumps with it?
[01:58:56] <ssi> that stuff is like $130/gallon fwiw
[01:59:31] <furrywolf> no. one can has a hand pump, but it doesn't do anything fancy.
[01:59:40] <ssi> it does something fancy
[01:59:49] <ssi> they're volumetric pumps
[02:00:06] <ssi> if you have the right pumps on the right cans, then it's one pump to one pump for the proper mix ratio
[02:00:26] <pcw_home> Thats convenent
[02:00:30] <ssi> yep!
[02:00:38] <ssi> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/pumps-and-metering-equipment
[02:01:28] <furrywolf> I got a half full quart of resin with the pump in it, a half full can of hardener with no pump, a full quart of resin, a full can of hardener, and three tubs of additivies.
[02:01:56] <ssi> now go get yourself a couple yards of e-glass and build an airplane :D
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[02:02:06] <ssi> with a quart of epoxy it'll have to be a pretty small airplane
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[02:02:53] <furrywolf> I got some shackles and other rigging supplies, also about $1, some marine paint (that shit's expensive!) also around $1, and other stuff all at the same sale...
[02:03:07] <furrywolf> I could have filled my car flat to the roof if I just wanted stuff, but I was trying to be picky.
[02:03:13] <ssi> mustve been a boat guy :P
[02:03:22] <ssi> ah well, nobobdy's perfect :D
[02:03:40] <furrywolf> he had LOTS of boat stuff, all dirt cheap. I'm not a boat person and didn't need any of it.
[02:03:52] <furrywolf> floats, drag nets, hydraulics, rudder controls, barrels of rope,...
[02:04:05] <zeeshan-mill> 0.01 gain seems to stablize it
[02:04:06] <ssi> I wouldn't mind having some cheap rope
[02:04:31] <ssi> good marine rope is effin expensive
[02:04:54] <furrywolf> it wasn't his stuff. he was cleaning out his friend's storage unit for him. apparantly the friend moved to colorado a while ago, and left a lot of his stuff, planning to come back for it someday... then decided he only wanted a few good bits and the rest could get dumped.
[02:05:10] <ssi> not a lot of good boating in colorado I guess :P
[02:05:26] <furrywolf> unfortunately, he wouldn't take $1 for the 15" 2hp planer. apparantly his friend was insistent on $400 for that.
[02:05:48] <ssi> still a pretty good price
[02:05:50] <ssi> what brand was it?
[02:06:35] <furrywolf> I also got some stainless shelving... was the only thing I didn't get for $1ish. spent $25 for it. industrial restaurant shelving, heavy stainless shelves, on infinitely-adjustable brackets on tall vertical supports with ceiling/wall mounts.
[02:06:37] <zeeshan-mill> its outputting 12.82 RPS @ 60hz at motor
[02:07:02] <furrywolf> grizzly, straight from taiwan, and looked well-used and rusty. I offered him $50, he said his friend would be a bit annoyed.
[02:07:10] <ssi> haha
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[02:08:29] <furrywolf> the other expensive thing there was a very large barrel of heavy chain. about 3" links, galvanized, brand new. said he spent $5000 on it.
[02:10:24] <furrywolf> also got an air hose, an extension cord, a drop light, a different marine epoxy product I'm not familiar with (sealed 1gal can plus about 8z of hardener), umm... I need to go unload the van. it's rather full. :)
[02:11:17] <furrywolf> he had a lot of chain and rigging supplies, but I have enough of that stuff.
[02:11:52] <furrywolf> he said to swing by tomorrow and see if his friend has decided to get rid of the planer cheap. might pick up a pile of load binders if they're still there.
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[02:15:51] <furrywolf> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/galleries/projects-tips-from-the-shop-of-jon-staudacher-gallerypage/_resampled/ResizedImage250983-staud1234.jpg you know, I'm all for creative construction, but.... I wouldn't build a car hauler from wood and epoxy.
[02:17:04] <ssi> you'd be amazed what you can do with wood and epoxy :)
[02:17:19] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yE-jWIgAAduWf.jpg:large
[02:17:36] <furrywolf> the cable cutter I got is... interesting. it's a very hard steel blade, in a heavy cast frame, with a plunger that you hit with a sledgehammer. I guess if you don't like hydraulics... lol
[02:18:40] <furrywolf> http://www.e-rigging.com/one-and-half-inch-Impact-Cable-Cutter?gclid=CKSxpKXx4sMCFciBfgodZxsAxg like that, but probably not made in china. :)
[02:19:02] <MacGalempsy> had to reload windows 7... now time to start all over...
[02:19:36] * furrywolf suggests MacGalempsy start all over without windows
[02:20:08] <MacGalempsy> cant do it...
[02:20:16] <MacGalempsy> but thanks for the suggestion
[02:21:12] <furrywolf> he also had a smaller cable cutter, but it was rusted to hell and the blade was broken, so decided to only get the big one.
[02:21:39] <witnit_> MacGalempsy, can you virtualbox your windows distribution so you dont have to "start all over"
[02:22:10] <MacGalempsy> I have a couple of enterprise ssd that I was thinking about running a copy of linux cnc on
[02:22:14] <MacGalempsy> well on one
[02:24:04] <witnit_> I install linux then virtualbox, then install windows inside linux, and then if anything fails you can recover very quickly, ntm you can run it headless and be able to RDP into the machine from any of your other machines
[02:24:37] <witnit_> put it on a usb stick and take it with you if you need
[02:24:54] <MacGalempsy> if I was better with linux, then that would be the best. but this old dog doesnt have time to learn new tricks
[02:25:29] <witnit_> its really very simple, and for your time you maybe consider it. sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[02:26:20] <witnit_> "start all over" is a terrible feeling to go through ;(
[02:26:30] <furrywolf> the cable cutter is a morse-starrett #2
[02:26:37] <witnit_> !!! lucky
[02:26:54] <witnit_> you could probably make half your money back on it
[02:26:58] <witnit_> =D
[02:26:58] <MacGalempsy> I think the worst part is losing all the automatic email entries in outlook
[02:27:05] <witnit_> how lost is it?
[02:27:08] <witnit_> what ahppened?
[02:27:34] <MacGalempsy> luckily I had a d drive with all the data
[02:27:47] <furrywolf> $350 new, $50 on ebay
[02:27:50] <MacGalempsy> so the only parts I really lost are the installed software
[02:28:17] <ssi> having trouble finding my motivates
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[02:29:35] <tjb1> Cany anyone load the datasheet on this?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/211401-1/A1635-ND/241416
[02:31:36] <ve7it> not me...
[02:31:50] <ve7it> blank page
[02:31:52] <roycroft> it loads fine
[02:32:18] <furrywolf> their datasheet sender seems to be broken
[02:32:28] <roycroft> it works fine for me
[02:32:31] <furrywolf> sends back nothing
[02:33:27] <tjb1> roycroft: do you have pdf link?
[02:35:19] <witnit_> tjb1, does this help at all?
http://www.te.com/catalog/products/en?q=211401-1
[02:35:27] <witnit_> no pdf but 3d may help?
[02:35:46] <roycroft> tjb1:
http://www.roycroft.us/A1635-ND-DigiKey.pdf
[02:36:01] <tjb1> roycroft: the datasheet
[02:36:03] <roycroft> i just printed it to pdf and pushed to one of my webservers
[02:36:10] <tjb1> witnit_: I can't load that either
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[02:36:21] <roycroft> oh, the datasheet itself
[02:36:21] <roycroft> sorry
[02:36:42] <roycroft> yeah, that comes up blank for me too
[02:36:51] <roycroft> i wasn't paying close enough attention - sorry
[02:37:25] <tjb1> no worries
[02:38:07] <witnit_> tjb1,
http://www.datasheets360.com/pdf/-6769726848108066404
[02:38:41] <witnit_> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1276248.pdf
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[02:40:15] <tjb1> http://datasheet.octopart.com/211401-1-Tyco-Electronics-datasheet-556859.pdf
[02:41:36] <tjb1> thanks all
[02:41:54] <Crom_> Morning
[02:41:56] <roycroft> tyco's document server is down
[02:42:04] <roycroft> digikey may be linking to that
[02:42:21] <roycroft> it's a good thing other sites cache that stuff
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[02:42:53] <witnit_> morning :)
[02:43:55] <Crom_> Nice connector
[02:44:20] <tjb1> going to slap it on an 203w xbox 360 supply and run my printer
[02:46:18] <Crom_> Enough connectors to supply 5v 12v -5 -12 plus ground
[02:47:19] <furrywolf> you still need -5 and -12? running opamps?
[02:47:26] <tjb1> me?
[02:47:27] <Crom_> Uniconvert will work on cdrs up to verson 14
[02:48:00] <furrywolf> crom, since he mentioned them
[02:48:15] <Crom_> Dunno what voltages a xbox 360 ps supplies
[02:48:30] <tjb1> 3 x 12, 3 x ground, 1 x 5v, 1 x ps on
[02:48:43] <tjb1> will keep ps on and 5v in the supply
[02:49:30] <furrywolf> presumably the three 12v are just one rail, not three separate supplies?
[02:49:48] <tjb1> not sure
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[02:50:24] <tjb1> current problem is connectors are not happy with 10 amps through them -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/txbwp08osao0jy0/FLIR0103.jpg?dl=0
[02:50:33] <Crom_> I have old 12v rv dc/battery charger which I'm going to repurpose to be my cnc machine supply
[02:51:34] <Crom_> I believe i can get 32v out of the multitap transformer
[02:51:46] <furrywolf> I built a simple unregulated supply for mine... transformer, bridge, cap.
[02:52:03] * furrywolf wants a thermal camera
[02:52:28] <Crom_> Flir cameras are uber kewl
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[02:54:57] <Crom_> I need to find some big steppers for my cnc machine
[02:55:26] <furrywolf> how big? servos are a lot better...
[02:56:40] <furrywolf> I got name-brand (pacsci) 940ozin steppers, and still top out a little under 2in/s...
[02:57:35] <furrywolf> with 1.2in/sec a better limit, as anything above that I have to set the acceleration annoyingly low.
[02:57:35] <Crom_> I'm getting some tb6560 drivers so something in nema 23 to 48 range
[02:58:16] <Crom_> So I'm limited to 3amp phase
[02:58:26] <furrywolf> oh, you want little steppers.
[02:58:43] <Crom_> <32v
[02:59:07] <furrywolf> I'm running 8.5A/phase at 56V, and I only consider mine to be medium. :)
[02:59:14] <Crom_> Not tiny, but not huge
[02:59:38] <witnit_> i love 2 volt steppers tooo Crom_
[02:59:58] <witnit_> i <3 2 volts
[03:00:42] <Crom_> When i can afford a better ps and drivers then I'll find some in the 60v 6amp range
[03:02:11] <furrywolf> how big is your machine?
[03:02:13] <witnit_> anytime a less than sign is next to a number 3 i see hearts, but it makes me think of my g/f so it makes it ok
[03:02:41] <Crom_> Heh
[03:03:10] * furrywolf doesn't currently have a girlfriend, and thus is annoyed at sappy things
[03:03:19] <Crom_> My machine is a dream right now, the creator space is a yoocnc 3040
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[03:03:34] <witnit_> sorr furrywolf been there
[03:05:27] <witnit_> crom what kind of work are you wanting to do?
[03:05:37] <furrywolf> heh, google finds a lot of pretty poor opinions on chinese tb6560 boards.
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[03:06:13] <Crom_> Fudge
[03:06:18] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> heh, google finds a lot of pretty poor opinions on chinese tb6560 boards.
[03:06:42] <Crom_> Damn cig lighter times out after 5minutes
[03:06:57] <witnit_> Crom_, what kind of work are you planning to do?
[03:09:11] <Crom_> I want to be able to shape 4' x 8' x 1' sheets of Styrofoam and wood to 4" thick
[03:09:21] <furrywolf> cig lighter... times out? like you're using a vehicle that has added electronic controls to the cig lighter plug, rather than a fuse and some wire like every other vehicle?
[03:09:53] <Crom_> Another machine will be a sewing machine to do embroidery
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[03:10:38] <Crom_> 97 Cadillac
[03:11:44] <Tom_itx> ok scale isn't so bad with no PID.. with S150 i get ~100 with S5000 i get ~5500
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[03:11:48] <Crom_> Grandma s old car
[03:12:00] <Tom_itx> at the spindle
[03:12:11] <furrywolf> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies to adding "features" to cars, too. :)
[03:13:05] <furrywolf> I want to build a 4x8 plasma table one of these days... but since it's plasma, going to be all out of cheap materials (common angle iron for rails, etc), not shiny stuff.
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[03:13:36] <furrywolf> I'll probably make the gantry high enough to use it for router-type tasks as well
[03:14:38] <ssi> I am going to build anohter laser table soon
[03:14:41] <ssi> 4x8' this time
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[03:16:27] <furrywolf> a friend has one that uses expensive-looking rack gears... I'm just going to pull it around with aircraft cable.
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[03:18:21] <Crom_> My big machine will be 0.100" wall tube and 608zz bearing
[03:18:36] <Crom_> And angle iron
[03:19:42] <Crom_> Embroidery machine might be a repurposed 3040 with the capability to be used as a 3040
[03:20:12] <ssi> timing belt is a perfectly reasonable choice
[03:20:15] <ssi> and it's fairly cheap
[03:20:37] <Crom_> Mount a fabric hoop on the z carriage
[03:21:16] <Crom_> And call the sewing machine A axis
[03:22:48] <Crom_> And z will be fabric roller/positioner
[03:23:20] <Tom_itx> ssi how much of your laser survived?
[03:24:01] <ssi> none :P
[03:24:06] <ssi> I take it back
[03:24:06] <LeelooMinai> Mounting screws")
[03:24:09] <Crom_> Ouch
[03:24:11] <ssi> the linuxcnc configs survived
[03:24:13] <ssi> i had them in git :D
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[03:24:21] <Tom_itx> hah
[03:24:27] <ssi> which is actually quite valuable!
[03:24:31] <Tom_itx> you bet
[03:24:39] <Crom_> House burn up?
[03:24:42] <ssi> since I had rasterization and pulse-per-inch mode and all kinds of crap sorted out
[03:24:45] <ssi> yea
[03:25:11] <Tom_itx> iirc though you sailed thru the config on the first one
[03:25:15] <Crom_> My condolences dude!
[03:25:29] <ssi> it wasn't too bad, but some of the advanced stuff took some thinking and research
[03:25:44] <ssi> I need to get my plasma table set back up soon
[03:25:56] <Tom_itx> ssi, have you done PID loops on lcnc?
[03:26:05] <ssi> sure, for servos
[03:26:15] <ssi> I've built a few servo machines
[03:26:26] <Tom_itx> where do you feed the encoders and resulting output?
[03:26:32] <Tom_itx> this is on spindle
[03:26:50] <Tom_itx> i may fiddle with it a bit
[03:27:12] <ssi> well you need an encoder counter somewhere; I use all mesa stuff, so I'd bring it into an encoder input on a mesa card
[03:27:25] <ssi> and then the encoder component in hm2 has velocity and position outputs
[03:27:38] <ssi> you can feed those into your pid components depending on what loop you're trying to close
[03:27:43] <Tom_itx> yeah mesa here
[03:27:56] <ssi> are you just trying to stabilize spindle speed?
[03:28:00] <ssi> or do something fancier like orient
[03:28:01] <Tom_itx> i have the encoder & spindle pwm going
[03:28:11] <Tom_itx> who knows...
[03:28:14] <ssi> :)
[03:28:19] <Tom_itx> start with spindle speed control
[03:28:26] <Tom_itx> i have index as well though
[03:28:27] <ssi> I haven't gotten there yet, but on my VMC I need to eventually get to where I can do orient
[03:28:36] <Tom_itx> it's more for learning than anything
[03:28:39] <ssi> the toolchanger requires it
[03:28:51] <ssi> what sort of spindle motor do you have?
[03:28:59] <Tom_itx> dc brush
[03:29:03] <Tom_itx> it's a sherline
[03:29:09] <Tom_itx> stock control
[03:29:09] <Crom_> Hmm on the sewing machine I'll have to track position
[03:29:12] <ssi> I tried to do closed loop spindle speed on my HNC, but AC induction motors don't really have fine enough speed control for stable closed loop speed
[03:29:24] <Tom_itx> i may not get that far with this either
[03:29:36] <ssi> that should be fairly straightforward
[03:29:48] <Tom_itx> looks like it should be
[03:29:52] <ssi> you're just trying to close the velocity loop
[03:29:55] <Tom_itx> yep
[03:30:08] <ssi> so you command a velocity, the encoder gives you velocity feedback, and your pid component tries to minimize the error
[03:30:35] <Tom_itx> i need to read up on it first
[03:30:53] <Tom_itx> still doing some wiring on it after bench testing the pwm
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[03:31:06] <Tom_itx> then i'll attempt the PID
[03:31:25] <ssi> good plan
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[03:31:38] <Tom_itx> i've got the scale about as close as i can get it without pid
[03:32:00] <ssi> honestly closed-loop spindle speed isn't super useful
[03:32:07] <ssi> what IS useful though, is rigid tapping :)
[03:32:13] <Tom_itx> it's just a learning exercise
[03:32:27] <Tom_itx> that's really why i'm doing it is for tapping
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[03:32:42] <Tom_itx> where do you feed the index pulse for that?
[03:32:51] <Tom_itx> right now it's just sitting on a pin
[03:33:22] <ssi> hm2 encoder component takes it
[03:33:30] <Tom_itx> right
[03:33:36] <Tom_itx> i have it all set up
[03:33:37] <ssi> it uses that to determine position
[03:34:15] <Tom_itx> and fixed my scale from my old 28 count single channel encoder
[03:34:28] <Tom_itx> to a 500 cpr 2000 ppr quad
[03:34:47] <Tom_itx> quite a res improvement..
[03:35:24] <ssi> I don't have all my linuxcnc configs in git sadly
[03:35:28] <ssi> https://github.com/ianmcmahon/linuxcnc_configs
[03:35:31] <ssi> but there's what I do have
[03:35:36] <ssi> none of those have spindles under pid at the moment :)
[03:35:38] <Tom_itx> i'm not ready for it just yet anyway
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[03:35:56] <Tom_itx> just planning
[03:36:11] <ssi> I need a minion :/
[03:36:15] <Tom_itx> i need to post my updated configs again too
[03:36:32] <Tom_itx> it's a nice safe place to keep em too
[03:36:47] <Tom_itx> another good reason to keep em current
[03:37:33] <Tom_itx> what's the sabre?
[03:37:41] <ssi> cincinnati sabre 500 VMC
[03:37:46] <ssi> the new one I bougth in august
[03:37:51] <Tom_itx> neither of the others would have spindle :)
[03:37:55] <ssi> correct :)
[03:38:03] <ssi> and the spindle encoder wasn't working on the sabre last I screwed with it
[03:39:10] <ssi> https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10672253_10100490548539302_6407225546292985700_n.jpg?oh=3a0b5e82373d58ceec4dd22c6ee7ce8e&oe=555CD152
[03:39:13] <ssi> big bitch is big
[03:39:35] <Tom_itx> nice size
[03:39:47] <Tom_itx> not too big as vmc's go
[03:39:49] <furrywolf> that looks like it's asking to be an entry in one of those forklift fail videos.
[03:40:02] <ssi> furrywolf: it's actually a pretty safe arrangement
[03:40:06] <Tom_itx> furrywolf mostly sheetmetal
[03:40:13] <ssi> it's a 12,5k lift truck that weighs 20klb
[03:40:19] <ssi> and the machine is about 9k
[03:40:20] <Tom_itx> however most of the weight is at the back probably
[03:40:24] <furrywolf> must be lighter than it looks. :)
[03:40:36] <ssi> and yes, the weight is at the back
[03:40:45] <furrywolf> yeah, that's my thinking... all the heavy bits are at the far end, while all the sheetmetal is up front...
[03:41:05] <ssi> I couldn't get that far under it on the truck, and I lifted it just a bit to scoot it back some, and that did pick the back wheels of the lift up
[03:41:07] <ssi> that was a bit hairy
[03:41:11] <ssi> but once I got all the way under it it was stable
[03:41:23] <Tom_itx> ssi, which encoder is the spindle?
[03:41:23] <ssi> had to pick it up from the front though or else I wouldn't be able to position it in its place
[03:41:27] <Tom_itx> or do you remember...
[03:41:40] <ssi> on mine? 05
[03:42:00] <ssi> 7i77 is usually set up for 05 being spindle
[03:42:01] <Tom_itx> ahh ok i see it now
[03:42:30] <ssi> but there's nothing in the config to do pid for spindle
[03:42:38] <Tom_itx> right
[03:42:44] <ssi> I was getting zero counts on the encoder for some reason
[03:42:53] <Tom_itx> i just connected the bare min signals on mine
[03:43:09] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0W6_x0IQAAiHfB.jpg:large
[03:43:14] <ssi> that's the encoder
[03:43:21] <furrywolf> I need to build my spindle encoder... I'm just planning on cutting a bunch of slots in an aluminum disc and aiming some sensors through it.
[03:43:25] <ssi> looks like it's hall based
[03:43:42] <furrywolf> shiny
[03:43:59] <ssi> furrywolf: here's the encoder I made for my little g0602
[03:44:00] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/205204_655375525742_5631970_n.jpg?oh=89c1a8ec2fa3f7a5ebc033c35d8bd2c2&oe=5555D921&__gda__=1435291871_f282bb2490e6b5993b0d858fcbeead92
[03:44:05] <ssi> actually works really well
[03:44:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc2.jpg
[03:44:26] <Tom_itx> there's my new pulley setup
[03:44:37] <ssi> not bad
[03:44:37] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/new_pulley_mounted1.jpg
[03:44:40] <Tom_itx> and the old encoder
[03:44:41] <furrywolf> gah, ugly url
[03:44:49] <Tom_itx> oh poo
[03:45:01] <Tom_itx> fugly is free
[03:45:12] <ssi> I think he's talking about mine :P
[03:45:12] <XXCoder> fancy.
[03:45:17] <Tom_itx> oh
[03:45:31] <XXCoder> 3 sensors on disk
[03:45:32] <furrywolf> yes. :P
[03:45:32] <Tom_itx> hopefully no more burnt up v belts
[03:45:46] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how do it work?
[03:45:54] <furrywolf> XXCoder: ?
[03:46:11] <XXCoder> I know the general, it turns and sometimes block light
[03:46:19] <XXCoder> but 3 on same gear?
[03:46:21] <furrywolf> ssi: I'm planning on slots instead of teeth, for a little more don't-get-mushed-when-changing-belts-itivity.
[03:46:28] <ssi> XXCoder: quadrature
[03:46:31] <ssi> XXCoder: A/B/Z
[03:46:41] <ssi> one slot in the disk is deeper
[03:46:50] <Tom_itx> this was after i cut the encoder pulleys down so i could access the drawbar on the spindle:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/spindle_enc6.jpg
[03:46:53] <ssi> that's the index slot, and the corresponding sensor is positioned a little deeper on the disk
[03:47:01] <furrywolf> XXCoder: on ssi's, two of them are quadrature on the outside of the teeth, then one is mounted further inwards and looking for the single extra-deep tooth.
[03:47:10] <ssi> I drew it up in cad, and plasma cut the disk and the mounting plate for the sensors
[03:47:15] <ssi> so everything lined up properly
[03:47:26] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:47:29] <ssi> the A and B sensors need to be 90 degrees out of phase with each other with respect to the slots
[03:47:52] <ssi> that machine is a 7i43 with hand-rolled breakout boards
[03:48:00] <ssi> I had some issues with rise time on those optical sensors
[03:48:00] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/221664_655377352082_5844353_n.jpg?oh=71c83fcd5b375897d07eb3c645bbb257&oe=558BFE6A&__gda__=1435790455_1a65bcd1d65f937046dccf1e95005d88
[03:48:10] <furrywolf> mine will be much more like tom's old design, but 7" or so around. (based on memory, haven't measured)
[03:48:12] <ssi> ended up adding schmidt triggers to square them up
[03:48:12] <ssi> https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/207897_655377411962_259243_n.jpg?oh=eeac6085570328fe692cffa79e6e2523&oe=5550ACD2
[03:48:20] <furrywolf> or like ssi's design.
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[03:48:49] <furrywolf> you plasma cut that toothed disc? it's... too clean. lol
[03:48:55] <ssi> yep
[03:49:06] <furrywolf> methinks you have a fancier plasma cutter. :)
[03:49:06] <XXCoder> so relivate rotation sensor is usual, not abostuate
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[03:49:16] <furrywolf> mine is a huge transformer with two taps, and no precision.
[03:49:20] <ssi> XXCoder: talk english
[03:49:27] <furrywolf> lol
[03:49:37] <XXCoder> ssi: mispelled that all over
[03:49:37] <ssi> I just have a powermax 45
[03:49:39] <ssi> not THAT fancy
[03:50:07] <ssi> but when I get my height / speed / current dialed in just so, it makse some pretty nice, relatively low dross cuts
[03:50:15] <XXCoder> ssi: abostuate uses this
http://images.machinedesign.com/images/archive/talk3jpg_00000038653.jpg
[03:50:19] <furrywolf> English, eh, old boy? I fancy I'll need to have a butcher's at my dictionary to be sure I have the Queen's speech correct.
[03:50:36] <ssi> furrywolf: I was gonna go with my old standard, "Talk amurican"
[03:50:43] <ssi> but I'm not sure XXCoder is amurican
[03:50:53] <furrywolf> lol
[03:50:54] <XXCoder> american here
[03:50:58] <ssi> XXCoder: abostuate?
[03:51:04] <XXCoder> I cant spell that word
[03:51:06] <ssi> is that canadian for absolute?
[03:51:12] <XXCoder> thank you
[03:51:48] <ssi> and yes
[03:51:52] <ssi> quadrature is pretty standard
[03:51:56] <ssi> absolute encoders are fancypants
[03:52:18] <furrywolf> I have an old marquette sorta-lincoln made in italy... it's done entirely with iron. no electronics.
[03:52:24] <ssi> there's really not a tremendous amount of benefit to an absolute encoder other than the fact that you can know its position steady state without it having to move first
[03:52:40] <furrywolf> only power control is two taps and a high/low switch.
[03:53:24] <furrywolf> plus side is it'll do 50A for a million or so years. :)
[03:53:49] <ssi> and when copper breaks $500/lb for scrap you can sell it for a small fortune :D
[03:54:03] <pcw_home> No homing is one advantage of absolute multiturn encoders (AC servo commutation without requiring Hall signals is another)
[03:54:18] <ssi> yeah servo commutation is a good benefit
[03:54:21] <Tom_itx> evening pcw_home
[03:54:31] <pcw_home> Evening
[03:55:31] <Tom_itx> mind if i pm?
[03:56:00] <pcw_home> np
[03:56:21] <XXCoder> only one pm or it turns into pms :P
[03:56:37] <pcw_home> Fanuc pulse coders have absolute battery backed multiturn + a absolute commutation track
[03:57:18] <pcw_home> Many newer AC servo drives use serial absolute encoders
[03:57:21] <furrywolf> http://members.shaw.ca/SWSTUFF/spindle-encoder.html I need to build something like that. I plan on metal, not blue. :)
[03:57:24] <ssi> my fanuc encoders are quadrature plus the 4 bit greycode commutation track
[03:58:01] <ssi> I still haven't sorted out the commutation on them :P
[03:58:05] <ssi> been too busy to mess with it
[03:58:45] <pcw_home> Yeah those are 80s/early 90s
[03:58:49] <ssi> '93
[03:59:02] <ssi> is the vmc's birth anyway
[03:59:28] <furrywolf> I just need quadrature and index... don't need absolute to synchronize threading.
[03:59:44] <ssi> you don't even really need quadrature for that
[03:59:55] <ssi> you can do spindle synchronized motion with just an index pulse
[04:00:24] <pcw_home> sort of synchronized anyway
[04:00:42] <ssi> it's ok for threading
[04:00:45] <ssi> probably not great for rigid tapping
[04:01:29] <furrywolf> I'd be worried about the accuracy... with two levels of v-belt reduction, backlash and slip are facts of life, and with chinese motors, marginal power is a given, and the speed might change noticably when the cutter digs in.
[04:01:38] <pcw_home> well unless the load changes the spindle speed...
[04:01:39] <ssi> oh I'd be worried about the accuracy to
[04:01:49] <ssi> that's why i did a 32 slot disk on the g0602 :)
[04:01:55] <ssi> and I have a full on resolver on the HNC
[04:02:37] <Tom_itx> pcw_home would i get finer res with the spindle dac on the 7i47S?
[04:03:03] <pcw_home> maybe better linearity
[04:03:21] <pcw_home> (the PWM has 12 bit resolution)
[04:03:21] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what DAC they use on this board but i ended up at 1.4khz i think
[04:03:46] <pcw_home> cheap Optos probably
[04:03:51] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[04:04:05] <Tom_itx> i had to prove i could make it work though :)
[04:05:17] <pcw_home> Must have worked with the correct setup but I guess they didnt give you much clue what that was
[04:05:26] <Tom_itx> nope
[04:05:32] <Tom_itx> and the example was parport
[04:06:54] <pcw_home> I really dislike OPTOs in general and have replaced them where possible with AD isolators
[04:07:34] <pcw_home> Their still the most cost effective thing some places though
[04:07:40] <ssi> god it's only 11
[04:08:21] <pcw_home> Its only 8
[04:08:27] <ssi> indeed
[04:08:58] <ssi> it's only 0400Z :P
[04:09:06] <ssi> I'm working nights this weekend
[04:09:14] <ssi> eating at 4:30p and then working 5 to 1 is rough
[04:09:17] <ssi> hungry right about now
[04:09:40] <Tom_itx> i'm stuffed
[04:09:45] <furrywolf> ... I haven't used geda in a while. tried opening a .sch file found online. "Found an invalid color [ Horizontal, grid 5 mm, outline 7.5 x 7.5 mm ]". I see it still doesn't suck any less than it did before.
[04:09:48] <Tom_itx> after PF Chang's
[04:09:53] <ssi> lucky you :P
[04:09:59] <furrywolf> gschem
[04:10:00] <pcw_home> that Z is making me sleepy
[04:10:09] <pcw_home> 'nite
[04:10:12] <ssi> night pcw
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[04:11:51] <furrywolf> what do I download to show
http://members.shaw.ca/SWSTUFF/spindle-enc-ps.sch ? gschem seems to think it can, but can't.
[04:12:09] <ssi> eagle maybe?
[04:12:28] <furrywolf> isn't eagle non-free?
[04:12:35] <Tom_itx> eagle also uses .sch
[04:12:44] <Tom_itx> it would open the file either way
[04:12:44] <ssi> eh, sorta
[04:12:47] <ssi> and yes, eagle opens it
[04:12:58] <Tom_itx> you're just limited on new boards
[04:13:07] <Tom_itx> not sure you could edit it though
[04:13:31] <ssi> furrywolf: you want me to send you a pdf?
[04:13:32] <renesis> eagle is free with limited board size and schematic sheets
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[04:14:01] <renesis> personal licenses are pretty cheap, full blown eagle is one of the cheaper EDA packages
[04:14:06] <furrywolf> that would be free-as-in-beer only...
[04:14:12] <ssi> I have a full blown eagle license these days :D
[04:14:19] <ssi> it's about $1k
[04:14:20] <renesis> not even that if you want it functional
[04:14:29] <renesis> they allso have respectable copy protection
[04:14:34] <renesis> like, it works
[04:14:36] <Tom_itx> i don't mind eagle
[04:14:39] <ssi> I lived with the 160x100mm board size limit for a long time
[04:14:43] <renesis> yeah its good stuff
[04:14:46] <ssi> yeah eagle is a pretty decent package
[04:14:53] <Tom_itx> i've got an older unlimited ver
[04:15:00] <Tom_itx> haven't updated it
[04:15:11] <ssi> I'm pretty sure my license is for 7
[04:15:20] <ssi> I had a client buy it for me back in november
[04:15:26] <Tom_itx> yeah i remember
[04:15:33] <ssi> cause they wanted me to work on some bigger boards that one of their staff engineers designed
[04:17:45] <ssi> so I got this little spartan6 dev board
[04:17:49] <ssi> made by a company called Scarab Hardware
[04:18:08] <ssi> it's got an LX9 on it, a bunch of sdram and flash, two hdmi ports, and usb jtag
[04:18:31] <ssi> I'm gonna use it to develop firmware for the next gen commutation converter
[04:18:40] <ssi> then I'm gonna design and spin a new board
[04:19:18] <ssi> my last design didn't work out because I didn't give myself enough slack in the design :/
[04:20:30] <furrywolf> argh. I'm trying to download a schematic file converter. it seems to be ungodly huge. how the heck can a python script be dozens of megabytes?
[04:20:43] <ssi> just to view that scheme?
[04:20:49] <ssi> lemme put this pdf up for you
[04:21:03] <XXCoder> yet another battery
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/13/8033691/why-teslas-battery-for-your-home-should-terrify-utilities
[04:21:07] <XXCoder> lets see what happens
[04:21:31] <furrywolf> ... how would a home battery terrify utilities? a battery doesn't make power, just store it.
[04:21:34] <ssi> furrywolf:
http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/spindle-enc-ps.pdf
[04:21:48] <XXCoder> furrywolf: makes solar power and such more worth it
[04:22:28] <XXCoder> also, store low demend power pay cheaply then use em during peak hours
[04:22:40] <ssi> that shouldn't terrify utilities
[04:22:42] <furrywolf> ... that's a stupidly useless schematic. lol
[04:22:43] <ssi> it should make them happy
[04:22:59] <ssi> it's much easier on the grid if power usage is uniform
[04:23:11] <XXCoder> yeah but lkess profit
[04:23:19] <XXCoder> its all about green (usa)
[04:23:21] <ssi> lower price doesn't mean lower profit
[04:23:34] <ssi> people who are into green shit are usually bad at economics :P
[04:24:03] <furrywolf> I'll be happy when I see a battery that, over its life, stores more energy than you could buy with the same amount of money.
[04:24:12] <furrywolf> current batteries do NOT do this.
[04:24:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:24:22] <ssi> there you go introducing economics into the situation
[04:24:24] <XXCoder> someday maybe
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[04:27:43] <furrywolf> let's say you buy a deepcycle battery for $200 that stores 12v at 200Ah. to make it last more than a month, you only discharge it 50%, 100Ah, and say you get to do this 1000 times (very optimisitic). 1000*12v*100ah = 1200kwh. 1200kwh * $0.07 (national average) = $84. Your $200 battery only stored $84 of electricty throughout its entire life. you could have skipped the batteries and bought the electricity, more than twice over.
[04:27:54] <renesis> ssi: 7805 w/o reverse bias diode across it is bad sauce
[04:28:02] <ssi> renesis: it's not my schematic :)
[04:28:15] <renesis> k
[04:28:16] <ssi> I just opened it and pdf'd it for fw
[04:28:34] <ssi> furrywolf: 7c/kwh sounds low
[04:28:39] <furrywolf> I figured the schematic might contain something interesting... "apply 5v to the sensors and wire the output to the parport" isn't something I'd draw a schematic for. lol
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[04:28:47] <ssi> but your point is very valid
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[04:29:36] <ssi> "The average price people in the U.S. pay for electricity is about 12 cents per kilowatt-hour. ("
[04:29:47] <ssi> that's more in line with my understanding
[04:29:52] <ssi> 12-15c is usually what I figure
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[04:30:09] <ssi> "Idaho had the lowest price, at about 8 cents per kWh. "
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[04:30:42] <furrywolf> hrmm, I must be remembering an old figure. just found a current one, for 2014, of 10.42 cents/kwh.
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[04:31:15] <furrywolf> $125 instead of $84. still less than just the cost of the battery, not to mention the extra bits needed to use batteries.
[04:31:21] <ssi> at work they installed some ev charging stations in the parking deck
[04:31:29] <ssi> and they are free for four hours, and $20/hr after that
[04:31:43] <ssi> got me doing research on ev chargers and some back of the envelope math
[04:31:56] <XXCoder> HMM make capactors as batteries, charge only 5 min lol
[04:31:59] <ssi> if they were level 3 chargers, which are like 70kw chargers, that'd be a reasonable deal
[04:32:01] <furrywolf> and your math showed that electric vehicles do not pay for themselves? :)
[04:32:05] <XXCoder> too bad cap capacity is shit
[04:32:09] <ssi> but they're level 2 chargers, 6350w
[04:32:25] <ssi> AND, the 6350w is split between two outlets
[04:32:31] <ssi> so if two people charge at once you only get half that
[04:32:34] <witnit_> found a nice router table, outta do some foam or something
http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-x-108-GIDDING-LEWIS-HYDROSTATIC-ROTARY-TABLE-72-CNC-CROSS-SLIDE-/121129925283?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c33e7faa3
[04:32:41] <ssi> a leaf takes about 7.5hr to fully charge at 6350W
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[04:33:05] <ssi> so if your commute comes close to fully depleting your battery, the charger at work could cost you $80 or more A DAY
[04:33:08] <furrywolf> every time I've done the math, I've found that the battery cost alone exceeds the cost of purchasing gasoline to drive the same distance as the total lifetime of the battery, even with highly optimistic figures.
[04:33:08] <ssi> hahahahahah
[04:33:12] <XXCoder> witnit_: cut wood with it? heh
[04:33:16] <witnit_> :)
[04:33:18] <ssi> yeah
[04:33:30] <ssi> well I did some more figuring, and at 12c/kwh, EVs cost about 3c/mile
[04:33:36] <ssi> in electricity alone
[04:33:42] <furrywolf> ignore the electricity cost, and look at the battery cost.
[04:33:42] <XXCoder> nice
[04:33:47] <ssi> oh I know
[04:33:56] <XXCoder> did you include inital cost
[04:34:01] <ssi> my car is about 7c/mile at current fuel prices
[04:34:05] <ssi> maybe less
[04:34:24] <ssi> so I figure that if there were level 3 quick charge stations around, enough you could actually use an EV practically beyond commuting
[04:34:28] <XXCoder> my van should be at 20 mpog but with issues its at 17.3 mpg so lemme calculate cost
[04:34:46] <ssi> the overhead of the expensive high-current chargers, plus the overhead of the "filling stations" and their profit margins etc
[04:34:52] <ssi> could easily double the cost of the raw power
[04:34:54] <ssi> call it 6c/mile
[04:34:54] <XXCoder> ~12 cant per mile for my van
[04:34:58] <ssi> now wtf is the point
[04:35:03] <XXCoder> cent
[04:35:06] <furrywolf> I want a subaru diesel. 60mpg in a full-size awd suv.
[04:35:13] <XXCoder> elio
[04:35:18] <XXCoder> 84 mpg
[04:35:23] <XXCoder> too bad it wont be out till 2016
[04:35:24] <ssi> furrywolf: I'll believe that when I see it
[04:35:28] <ssi> I get 55mpg in my diesel
[04:35:34] <ssi> but it's not awd, and it's not an suv
[04:35:39] <ssi> and awd is a HUGE fuel penalty
[04:35:41] <ssi> my last car was awd
[04:35:59] <furrywolf> ssi: it's been on the market for something like 8 years, and has been shown repeatedly. top gear even did a test of it, got something like 65mpg.
[04:36:03] <XXCoder> van. big thing with big engine. even good condition 21 mpg isnt good
[04:36:14] <furrywolf> apparantly subaru has a prototype forester that gets 80mpg!
[04:36:27] <ssi> furrywolf: I mean real mileage. I did 812 miles on a single tank, took 14.2 gal to fill up after
[04:36:35] <ssi> 57.9mpg across the tank is real mileage
[04:36:39] <XXCoder> damn
[04:36:43] <ssi> I can get 200mpg in idealized conditions
[04:36:53] <XXCoder> I cant even go over 280 miles full tank of 16 gal
[04:36:58] <furrywolf> ssi: top gear did a miles-until-out-of-fuel test driving on uk roads, not a track.
[04:37:00] <renesis> i get 32 ideal
[04:37:10] <renesis> my cars like nomnomgasnom
[04:37:44] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bog4rilIIAAQs7j.jpg:large
[04:37:55] <ssi> note the 401.4 trip odometer, and better than half tank
[04:37:55] <renesis> i <3 top gear but theyre not exactly known for honest testing
[04:37:57] <ssi> that's miles since full
[04:38:33] <ssi> nominal 13 gal tank
[04:38:35] <ssi> :D
[04:38:42] <furrywolf> renesis: their tests match other people's.
[04:38:46] <ssi> I've been extremely happy with my diesel
[04:38:56] <ssi> put 43k on it since november 2013 :/
[04:39:09] <ssi> drove it to california and back in may of last year
[04:39:15] <renesis> furrywolf: thats good, they lied about the tesla roadster
[04:39:19] <ssi> overall average was 44.5mpg over 6500 miles
[04:39:23] <renesis> i think they ended up apologizing
[04:39:29] <ssi> and that was with highway speeds 85+ the whole way
[04:39:32] <XXCoder> https://4wheelonlineblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/elio2.jpg first prototype for elio.
[04:39:39] <XXCoder> http://netdna.coolthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Elio-car-3.jpg second prototype. ugly!
[04:39:41] <renesis> and its an entertainment show
[04:39:44] <ssi> >65mph kills economy in a hurry
[04:39:55] <XXCoder> current
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2015/02/04/3d/d1/a_elio.png
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[04:40:11] <ssi> XXCoder: that's horrible looking :)
[04:40:20] <XXCoder> which one? green one I agree!
[04:40:22] <renesis> yeah srsly
[04:40:28] <renesis> but the last one is least horrible
[04:40:33] <furrywolf> yes, the elio is one of the ugliest and least practical vehicles ever considered.
[04:40:58] <ssi> my car is a real car that you can put real people in and go places
[04:41:00] <ssi> AND HAUL MACHINES
[04:41:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3j0s6ZIQAA_KpF.jpg:large
[04:41:02] <ssi> :D
[04:41:09] <ssi> got 39mpg over 120 miles hauling that lathe
[04:41:19] <XXCoder> ssi: I miss my mecury sable 1988
[04:41:22] <renesis> honestly, mazdaspeed 3 is prob the most awesome most practical car
[04:41:30] <XXCoder> 16 mpg stinky but 3.8l large engine
[04:41:37] <XXCoder> plenty of power
[04:41:47] <ssi> diesel's the future
[04:41:48] <XXCoder> it was ugly bad paint but could beat brand new cars easily
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[04:43:33] <XXCoder> too bad it was totaled
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/221615_10151375329908253_817968195_n.jpg?oh=67d2785a380634582b8ef46922faa6d4&oe=554A95FC&__gda__=1432161454_6ce8df27a23cdac788a2c49bd1f8b755
[04:44:07] <furrywolf> I can't find a current mpg figure from the epa... only the one back from 2008 when subaru first thought about bring it to the US. in 2008 the epa gave it a 40.6mpg combined milage. the improved it since the first tests, and the epa figures are always low anyway...
[04:44:29] <XXCoder> it dont look too bad but I was almost killed. I would be if I didnt turn right so fast it hit almost flat in
[04:44:34] <ssi> yeah the epa numbers on my car are 30/42
[04:44:37] <XXCoder> 45 degrees in would be fatal
[04:44:37] <ssi> and it does way better than that
[04:44:48] <ssi> the chevy cruze diesel's epa numbers are better by like 1mpg
[04:44:52] <ssi> and in reality it's WORSE
[04:45:08] <ssi> the theory is that the government is fudging the numbers to make the government motors product look better
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[04:45:20] <zeeshan-mill> lalala
[04:45:25] <zeeshan-mill> time to test rigid tapping
[04:45:28] <XXCoder> ssi: isnt some is tested and some is report from company
[04:45:37] <zeeshan-mill> anyone got some sample g-code
[04:45:40] <zeeshan-mill> for rigid tapping
[04:45:58] <XXCoder> g83 x0. y0.
[04:46:09] <furrywolf> subaru has a prototype that gets 89MPG.
[04:46:14] <XXCoder> repeat, changing x by .2 or something lol
[04:46:31] <XXCoder> then finally g80 as well as m30 lool
[04:46:54] <XXCoder> actually next few lines if peck drills dont need g83 repeated
[04:47:02] <XXCoder> *of
[04:47:04] <zeeshan-mill> rigid tappin!
[04:47:05] <zeeshan-mill> g33.1
[04:47:33] <XXCoder> thought 33 was threading
[04:47:41] <XXCoder> or was that 73 (and one other number)
[04:47:43] <furrywolf> heh, a subaru diesel engine swap into a vw vanagon got 27.4mpg on a >2k mile trip.
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[04:48:20] <ssi> subaru doesn't even have any diesels on the market in the us do they
[04:48:26] <furrywolf> nope
[04:48:29] <furrywolf> the US doesn't want them.
[04:48:45] <furrywolf> subaru tried in 2008, but gave up.
[04:48:57] <ssi> VW's been selling a blue million of them
[04:49:05] <ssi> they probably didn't want to meet the new emissions standardss :P
[04:49:19] <XXCoder> good luck getting good mpg stuff into usa
[04:49:45] <ssi> vwag reported selling 100,000 diesels between vw and audi in the US in 2013
[04:49:54] <furrywolf> the milage figures are most impressive when you realize the forester is an all-wheel-drive SUV, not a tiny crapbox economy car like a vw, or a glorified gokart like the elio...
[04:50:10] <ssi> s/impressive/dubious/ :)
[04:51:04] <jdh> my yukon xl is an all-wheel drive suv, not a tiny crapbox economy car like a forester
[04:51:10] <furrywolf> ... they've been proven by government tests in both the uk and the us, people's experiences, and television shows... even people who swap them into other vehicles get excellent milage.
[04:51:13] <ssi> also my "tiny crapbox economy car" has more interior space than a forester
[04:51:32] <ssi> and probabyl more towing capacity :P
[04:51:39] <ssi> HAH YEP
[04:51:39] <jdh> oh yeah
[04:51:42] <XXCoder> ssi: elio have huge interior car for tiny car
[04:51:42] <ssi> 1,500 lbs
[04:51:43] <ssi> 2015 Subaru Forester, Towing capacity
[04:51:49] <ssi> mine's 2000lb
[04:51:54] <XXCoder> BIG football pro player can fit in with good room
[04:52:01] <ssi> tiny crapbox economy car ftmfw
[04:52:13] <furrywolf> swapping them into volkswagon vans is annoyingly popular (why do people like them so much?), and they generally get 27-35mpg, pushing a brick through the air, with a badly mismatched transmission that's geared for a gas motor and misses proper cruising rpms.
[04:52:14] <zeeshan-mill> looks like rigid tapping is working
[04:52:17] <zeeshan-mill> !!!!!1
[04:52:18] <jdh> Towing capacity: 6,000 to 8,100 lbs
[04:52:45] <XXCoder> http://blog.eliomotors.com/yes-you-will-fit-in-the-elio-9514/
[04:52:50] <ssi> jdh: haha thing is, I can tow 8000lb behind my car in four trips on less fuel than your yukon :)
[04:53:04] <jdh> yeah, but you can't tow my boat.
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[04:53:18] <ssi> probably can, just not "legally"
[04:53:26] <jdh> s/tow/stop/
[04:53:35] <ssi> changing the rules on me
[04:53:36] <ssi> heheh
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[04:53:48] <ssi> that's why god created trailer brakes!
[04:53:55] <furrywolf> and it's not too slow either... 154hp, 280ftlbs. not going to win races, but it's certainly not a slow vehicle.
[04:54:02] <jdh> trailer brakes don't last in saltwater
[04:54:34] <XXCoder> lol
http://www.csectioncomics.com/csectioncomics/comics-archive/2013-12-12-annual-archeology-convention-of-2500-256c.png
[04:54:42] <jdh> mine also exists.
[04:54:48] <furrywolf> I can tow anything in my truck... just don't expect it to go very fast. :P
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[04:55:03] <XXCoder> my old car sure can tow lots
[04:55:19] <furrywolf> and I'd need to dig air brake parts out of storage if your trailer has gladhands.
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[04:55:23] <XXCoder> 3.8L engine, as large as 1 or maybe 1.5 ton truck engine
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[04:57:55] <furrywolf> the aussies gave the diesel an average rating of 5.7l/100km, or 41.3mpg
[04:58:41] <furrywolf> again, keeping in mind this is a 4x4 SUV, not a gokart with a fairing.
[04:58:58] <ssi> is it fulltime awd?
[04:59:15] <furrywolf> yes
[04:59:25] <furrywolf> with, if I remember right, a computer-controlled variable center diff.
[04:59:45] <ssi> my last car was fulltime awd with haldex variable center
[04:59:45] <furrywolf> so if you start spinning, it starts locking...
[04:59:50] <ssi> and it was like a 30% fuel penalty
[05:00:01] <ssi> it was awesome, but the fuel economy sucked
[05:00:10] <ssi> it was also 425hp, fwiw: P
[05:00:14] <furrywolf> and yet subaru still gets >40mpg. :P
[05:00:30] <ssi> so quit masturbating over it and buy one already
[05:00:37] <furrywolf> they're illegal. :(
[05:00:42] <ssi> wonder why :P
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[05:01:01] <XXCoder> usa emissions laws
[05:01:05] <furrywolf> why? because a lot of politicians have friends at large oil companies, I suspect. :P
[05:01:07] <XXCoder> most likely amuwau
[05:01:11] <XXCoder> anyway
[05:01:18] <ssi> hasn't stopped all the other manufacturers
[05:01:41] <furrywolf> the motor is starting to get affordable to import... when one of my subarus needs an engine, I might get one.
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[05:01:54] <XXCoder> nice
[05:02:27] <furrywolf> the reports I've heard are that the motor is bulletproof, with the only common failure being cracked flywheels.
[05:03:27] <furrywolf> I put a '96 motor into one of my subarus, so obviously I don't mind putting used parts in. :)
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[05:04:01] * furrywolf still needs to take it to the exhaust shop... it's a little not having anything past the cats.
[05:04:43] <furrywolf> a little loud
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[05:23:53] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[06:09:42] <witnit_> Is this the same as a regular A/B encoder with 5v?
http://www.gagemall.co.kr/images/pdf/LinearGage.pdf
[06:09:59] <witnit_> something i can connect direct to an encoder input?
[06:10:38] <zeeshan> looks like it outputs square waves
[06:11:17] <witnit_> right
[06:11:20] <zeeshan> wow those are good for upto 590 ipm
[06:11:20] <zeeshan> nice
[06:11:21] <witnit_> so im good right?
[06:11:26] <zeeshan> just check
[06:11:28] <zeeshan> if its a 5v signal
[06:11:31] <witnit_> 90° phase difference, differential square wave
[06:11:31] <witnit_> differential square wave (RS-422A equivalent)
[06:11:31] <witnit_> (RS-422A equivalent)*
[06:11:37] <witnit_> was what i was looking at
[06:11:50] <witnit_> and was unsure if that was same as AB square
[06:12:24] <zeeshan> 90 degree phase difference
[06:12:28] <zeeshan> is a quadrature style encoder :)
[06:12:31] <zeeshan> so youre right
[06:12:44] <zeeshan> it looks like it operates on 5v
[06:19:31] <witnit_> hooray
[06:19:34] <witnit_> I want some
[06:20:07] <XXCoder> some 5v? sure (goes Emperior style lighning hands)
[06:20:34] <XXCoder> hopefully that charged you right up ;)
[06:20:43] <RyanS> ooo
http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/pins-the-alternative-to-parallels
[06:21:33] <XXCoder> looks almost like huge 123 blocks
[06:22:23] <RyanS> 'built-in' parallels
[06:22:50] <MacGalempsy_> hey guys
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[07:31:29] * zeeshan is looking at building an enclosure
[07:31:30] <zeeshan> http://www.toth-maschinenhandel.de/images/produkte/TN3/600_2028129288.jpg
[07:31:33] <zeeshan> this one looks so nice
[07:31:45] <Jymmm> http://cdn3.image.bored.com/thumbnails/dog-sign__big_no.jpg
[07:31:55] <zeeshan> lol
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[07:52:12] <witnit_> look how they do the control panel
[07:52:15] <witnit_> http://www.nowakproducts.com/davenport/O10.jpg
[07:52:44] <witnit_> zeeshan, ^^full swing
[07:52:59] <zeeshan> oo thats nice
[07:53:32] <witnit_> keeps it "right there"
[07:53:38] <witnit_> you know how that is
[07:53:52] <zeeshan> i have a rolling cart
[07:53:53] <zeeshan> w/ my comp
[07:53:59] <witnit_> exactly
[07:54:02] <witnit_> one cord in the way
[07:54:07] <witnit_> and you have problems
[07:54:15] <zeeshan> yea its one umbilical going to it
[07:54:23] <zeeshan> but it serves as my tool cart too
[07:54:25] <witnit_> i have this huge box and bad floors :(
[07:54:55] <zeeshan> i was thinking of mounting the umbilical on the ceiling
[07:54:58] <zeeshan> so that it falls straight down
[07:55:06] <zeeshan> that way it doesnt get in the way
[07:55:15] <zeeshan> i agree, it is annoying :P
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[11:51:07] <Jymmm> It is.
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[12:26:28] <marmite_> jupp
[12:26:30] <marmite_> it is
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[15:37:51] <JT-Shop> brrrrr
[15:41:17] <furrywolf> I have a kerosene shop heater. you can have it if you pay shipping. :P
[15:42:16] <JT-Shop> I have a bullet heater too, but I heat the shop with wood
[15:43:33] <furrywolf> never heard one called that before...
[15:49:30] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop have you done pid on any of your spindles?
[15:49:56] <Tom_itx> looking into that for a learning experience on mine
[15:52:05] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, no, mine is a vfd driven by the gs2 component
[15:53:39] <furrywolf> mine's a single-phase capacitor-start motor. :(
[15:54:10] <JT-Shop> there is a bit of info on this page about spindles
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/index.html
[15:56:38] <Tom_itx> ok
[15:57:25] <furrywolf> hrmm, harbor freight doesn't seem to have a test indicator. so much for squaring my mill up today.
[15:57:48] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i'd trust one of those from there
[15:58:44] <furrywolf> I don't think my crappy chinese mill will hold tolerances tighter than I could measure by eye... a finger indicator is just a formality. heh.
[16:01:58] <furrywolf> yay, more broken web design. a search on hf's website I did returns three pages. clicking to the next page says there's no results for your search.
[16:02:00] * JT-Shop pokes at the fire again
[16:02:57] <Tom_itx> fire up the smelter
[16:03:30] <furrywolf> oh well, looks like I'm ordering my indicator online. around here, if it's not available at ace hardware or harbor freight, you're ordering online. heh.
[16:04:39] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/JT%20Kossel/JT%20Kossel%20Frame%2001.JPG
[16:05:04] <JT-Shop> the furnace would warm it up guick in here
[16:05:09] <JT-Shop> quick
[16:05:45] <Tom_itx> goin with a delta?
[16:06:15] <JT-Shop> thinking about it
[16:06:53] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how well those work in comparison to the others
[16:06:58] <JT-Shop> seems to be the simple design when you look at them
[16:07:10] <Tom_itx> the 2nd gen one probably works good
[16:07:17] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:07:37] <Tom_itx> the other one isn't complicated, just alot of belt
[16:08:22] <furrywolf> so, for the same price, should I pick up a brand new chinese indicator, or a beat up starrett? I'm leaning towards the latter...
[16:08:29] <JT-Shop> yea the core xy is a bit more complicated
[16:08:42] <Tom_itx> you like a challenge...
[16:09:10] <JT-Shop> I'm still waiting on my steppers to show up
[16:09:22] <Tom_itx> where'd you get em?
[16:10:05] <JT-Shop> the link you gave me
[16:10:21] <Tom_itx> well at least you beat their new year stall
[16:11:00] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:11:11] <JT-Shop> I need a nema 17 solid model
[16:11:18] <Tom_itx> i'm waiting on some relays from there
[16:11:27] <Tom_itx> double stack
[16:11:56] <JT-Shop> lol I forgot
[16:12:10] <Tom_itx> http://grabcad.com/library/stepper-motor-nema-17
[16:12:15] <Tom_itx> solidworks..
[16:13:17] <JT-Shop> you have to register to d/l
[16:13:23] <Tom_itx> crap
[16:13:29] <Tom_itx> lemme find another one
[16:13:37] <JT-Shop> it says they shipped on 2/4
[16:13:54] <Tom_itx> NY starts the 19th
[16:14:37] <Tom_itx> http://www.quicksilvercontrols.com/SP/CAD/CAD.html
[16:15:08] <Tom_itx> those mostly look like servo
[16:15:35] <JT-Shop> yea
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[16:16:11] <Tom_itx> http://www.linengineering.com/stepper-motors/4018.aspx
[16:16:18] <JT-Shop> says they are 42 x 42 x 48
[16:16:40] <Tom_itx> the hole pattern would be the same
[16:16:49] <Tom_itx> you can fiddle with the length
[16:17:19] <Tom_itx> no cad on the last link
[16:17:25] <_methods> you till need nema17 model?
[16:17:42] <_methods> i think i have one i can put on dropbox for you if you don't want to login anywhere
[16:18:39] <JT-Shop> I might have one
[16:18:44] <_methods> what format you want?
[16:18:47] <Tom_itx> https://www.inventables.com/technologies/stepper-motor-nema-17
[16:18:52] <Tom_itx> can you import .step?
[16:18:56] <JT-Shop> solidworks if you have it
[16:19:05] <JT-Shop> sw can import most formats
[16:19:19] <Tom_itx> ^^ there's one
[16:19:19] <_methods> i got sldprt if you need it
[16:19:32] <JT-Shop> sldprt is good
[16:19:35] <_methods> Tom_itx got ya i guess
[16:19:57] <_methods> if not let me know i have nema17 and nema23 models
[16:22:58] <Tom_itx> http://my.solidworks.com/reader/3dccparts/catalogid%253D171%2526id%253D553243
[16:23:24] * furrywolf buys a new shars, hoping it's at least marginally better than the ones shipped straight from china
[16:23:30] <Tom_itx> :( login req
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[16:24:28] <JT-Shop> _methods, if you have a sldprt of a 17 that would be great
[16:24:34] <_methods> yeah i got ya one sec
[16:25:13] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[16:27:19] <furrywolf> bbl, laundry and playing with mill
[16:27:53] <_methods> sorry had to run upstairs to my drafting computer
[16:28:00] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/User%20Library-stepper-motor-nema17-fl42sth47-1684A-01.SLDPRT
[16:28:03] <_methods> there ya go
[16:28:13] <_methods> you want nema23 too?
[16:28:31] <JT-Shop> sure
[16:29:42] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/Lin-5718L%20NEMA%2023%20Stepper.sldprt
[16:29:48] <_methods> there ya go
[16:30:09] <PetefromTn_> oooooohh
[16:31:22] <JT-Shop> thanks
[16:31:40] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I see a design flaw with my frame...
[16:31:56] <Tom_itx> how so?
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[16:32:34] <JT-Shop> _methods the 17 would not open
[16:32:55] <JT-Shop> my bracket is wrong it puts the sides in the wrong place
[16:33:08] <_methods> the nema17 won't open?
[16:33:27] <JT-Shop> it says contact tech support
[16:33:31] <_methods> hmm
[16:33:34] <_methods> weird
[16:33:50] <JT-Shop> what version are you using?
[16:33:55] <_methods> 2015
[16:34:03] <_methods> that might be a problem lol
[16:34:05] <Tom_itx> save it as iges
[16:34:11] <JT-Shop> oh I was using 2014
[16:34:13] <_methods> i can't save it down to 2014
[16:34:22] <Tom_itx> iges will work
[16:34:25] <JT-Shop> I can open it up in 15 and save it as an iges
[16:34:29] <_methods> k
[16:34:55] <JT-Shop> I can't use 15 if I want to machine the parts as onecnc won't open a 15 sw file
[16:35:18] <Tom_itx> always some sort of hitch...
[16:37:59] <JT-Shop> tracking says my steppers have departed Suzhou sorting center LOL
[16:38:17] <Tom_itx> they're very slow updating that information
[16:38:26] <Tom_itx> you may only get 1 or 2 updates
[16:38:39] <Tom_itx> next time you see it probably will be in the US
[16:38:55] <Tom_itx> mine sat in chicago for a week
[16:41:01] <JT-Shop> it only shows tracking while in China
[16:41:22] <Tom_itx> usps should show it
[16:42:00] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVuKp5M3de8
[16:42:37] <JT-Shop> sure enough usps shows tracking
[16:43:03] <JT-Shop> looks like it is in New York
[16:43:10] <Tom_itx> yay!
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[17:20:08] <PetefromTn_> you can take this cold and shove it where the sun don't shine Mr. Winter... LOL
[17:20:50] <_methods> no doubt
[17:21:37] <JT-Shop> 4-6 inches of snow expected here tonight
[17:21:59] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY REALLY gotta get this house sold and move the hell back to Florida.. it was -3 here with wind chill this morning!!
[17:22:32] <_methods> um yeah F that
[17:22:39] <_methods> it's 30 here and i'm about to quit
[17:22:49] <PetefromTn_> they are saying we should be getting snow here tomorrow sometime
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[17:27:01] <_methods> i got a turkey on the egg right now
[17:27:17] <_methods> 2 hours left
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[17:32:36] <JT-Shop> the barbie got to 700F last night when the grease caught on fire
[17:32:44] <JT-Shop> that will make you pucker upu
[17:32:46] <JT-Shop> up
[17:34:55] <_methods> yeah that will melt some stuff
[17:35:35] <JT-Shop> I was only gone about 3 minutes...
[17:36:10] <Tom_itx> good the tank didn't get that hot..
[17:36:37] <JT-Shop> yea, I threw the dog water on it after shutting the burners off and moving the meat
[17:36:53] <_methods> heheh
[17:36:53] <JT-Shop> slammed the lid and waited for the super heated steam to slow down
[17:37:02] <JT-Shop> steaks came out great
[17:37:11] <Tom_itx> remember that recipe :)
[17:37:41] <JT-Shop> I think I have the layout right now
http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/JT%20Kossel/JT%20Kossel%20Frame%2001%20Rev%202.JPG
[17:38:51] <Tom_itx> what linux app will open .docx?
[17:38:54] <PetefromTn_> dog water?
[17:38:59] * JT-Shop wanders inside for a short nap
[17:39:13] <JT-Shop> yea the water dish for the dog, only water handy
[17:39:22] <_methods> libre office
[17:39:27] <_methods> or whatever they call it now
[17:39:31] <_methods> open office
[17:42:46] <Rab> Yeah, LibreOffice...Koffice as well.
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[17:44:11] <PetefromTn_> is it a bad thing if I actually like my kids favorite cartoon adventure time?
[17:45:17] <Rab> Haha, it has its moments for a cartoon created by stoners for stoners.
[17:45:41] <Rab> (Maybe that's all cartoons.)
[17:45:47] <PetefromTn_> it is kinda funny sometimes
[17:46:44] <PetefromTn_> I could imagine the writers sitting around stoned writing it tho it is REALLY WIERD
[17:49:04] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4892668333.html...
[17:49:25] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4892668333.html wonder if this is useful for ANYTHING?
[17:49:59] <XXCoder1> yes
[17:50:04] <XXCoder1> it keeps dust off surface
[17:50:09] <XXCoder1> some of surface.
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[17:50:53] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, love the buttons, your fingers wont get lost finding them in the bottom of those cones?
[17:51:09] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, you know its a mechanical duplicator device
[17:51:26] <Rab> PetefromTn_, not since the development of CNC I'm afraid. I'll bet it was a game-changer in 1955.
[17:51:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know what it is..
[17:51:44] <tjtr33> its like a touch probe.... hmm wonder if you could linuxcnc up a tracer
[17:52:00] <PetefromTn_> just wondered if there is anything useful for ANYTHING... LOL
[17:52:01] <XXCoder1> good for cnc history place I guess
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[17:52:05] <XXCoder1> assuming one exists
[17:52:07] <tjtr33> just using the probe routines
[17:52:37] <Rab> I've seen electronic tracer systems. You would probably want a 3D probe.
[17:52:43] <tjtr33> its auto-reverse engineering, no cad or lasers needed. helen keller follow the leader
[17:53:20] <tjtr33> but it was 2d, then you lowered the knee and ran again
[17:53:26] <Rab> Honestly you would probably rather capture offline, clean up and edit the toolpath, and run as a job, rather than do live tracing.
[17:53:35] <tjtr33> yah
[17:54:05] <Rab> Rigging the mill up for hydraulic control would be nightmarish, I wonder what could go wrong with that setup.
[17:55:44] <Rab> Those sure are some classy nameplates in the ad.
[17:56:23] <tjtr33> so the probe tip moved and opens a port to drive the respective axis. easy to dupe in HAL , might be fun, make sand cast forms from old parts
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[17:58:06] <tjtr33> dont use hydraulis at all, nice clean electric probe and hal comps to jog the axis
[17:58:14] <furrywolf> probably could build one using three power steering gearboxes.
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[17:58:56] <Rab> I wonder how to reuse the original probe. Might be able to use a set of pressure transducers for a proportional reading from compressed air.
[17:59:57] <Rab> Or, rig the probe directly to a 6dof pointing device:
http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse/spacenavigator.html
[18:00:45] <tjtr33> bet the probe pushes a pin that is a spool valve, chd the pin to make a contact. write the game style 'fill' routin that finds the included shape at that level
[18:01:00] <furrywolf> going to compressed air is asking for problems... if you really want to use the probe, find a way to hide direct pressure sensors in it somehow.
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[18:02:03] <tjtr33> no air no oil just use a tipping electrical probe that returns the trip direction, then command your normal drives, stepper or servo
[18:03:03] <furrywolf> I've never taken one apart, but it must have either very tiny valves, or a very large lever... if there's enough travel, even simple pots might work.
[18:03:38] <Rab> Apparently the full True Trace setup was typically a double-headed mill:
http://www.lislesurplus.com/2/28-tracer-mill-bridgeport-tru-trace-3DA-tra/picture-1.jpg
[18:03:52] <tjtr33> yes one [probes one cuts
[18:04:33] <Rab> Looks like two copies at once to me.
[18:04:37] <tjtr33> you cut (say) right till you bump the trip.
[18:04:52] <tjtr33> one is the model the other is the stock being cut
[18:05:04] <PetefromTn_> LOL I was just kidding guys..
[18:05:39] <Rab> Wonder if they could be rigged up to do scaling.
[18:05:44] <Rab> The Devil's Pantograph.
[18:06:02] <furrywolf> you could always rig up a small hydraulic pump and just screw pressure transducers into all the ports.
[18:06:36] <tjtr33> if it ran by numbers, you can scale rotate and translate
[18:06:38] <Rab> Yeah, that would work without modifying the priceless True Trace probe.
[18:07:59] <furrywolf> of course, there's plans for DIY touch probes that could be built in a lot less time and with a lot less money than a hydraulic supply and transducers. :)
[18:09:01] <XXCoder1> two wow
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[18:11:23] <tjtr33> lathe tracers too
http://www.mimiktracer.com/
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[18:13:25] <tjtr33> yeah they use spool valves like in (Moog or Pegasus hydraulics ) "When the stylus comes in contact with the template it moves spools within the valve."
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[18:46:27] <furrywolf> heh, looking at the list of mythbusters episodes... the latest is "Can you drift into a parallel parking space without hitting the adjacent cars or the curb?". I don't need to watch it to know the answer to that, because I've seen it done.
[18:47:55] <furrywolf> care of a friend that got his license taken away for too many speeding tickets. :)
[18:48:54] <furrywolf> now his wife gets to drive him everywhere, and will for a couple more years still...
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[18:53:50] <XXCoder1> ow
[18:56:23] <XXCoder1> interesting
http://hackaday.com/2015/02/14/fixing-a-toyota-camry-hybrid-battery-for-under-ten-dollars/
[19:02:20] <furrywolf> should have used tinned busbars.
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[19:03:33] <furrywolf> my nife bank came with half tinned busbars and half bare copper... guess which half I'll need to hit with a wire brush when I put it back together? heh
[19:04:12] <XXCoder1> vingear, bush, base
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[19:04:19] <XXCoder1> *brush
[19:04:28] <furrywolf> I don't want acid anywhere near them without a face shield.
[19:05:01] <XXCoder1> vingear isnt very acidic but have to really clear em out so it dont keep corrading
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[19:05:13] <XXCoder1> baking soda is really powerful base
[19:05:22] <furrywolf> they'll keep corroding anyway. I just need to clean some of it off around the terminals. heh.
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[19:05:32] <XXCoder1> thats bit more tough
[19:05:53] <furrywolf> keep in mind these are flooded batteries, happily gassing KOH bubbles out onto the busbars...
[19:06:33] <XXCoder1> lol hacks
http://hackaday.com/2015/02/15/home-brew-vibration-cleaner-leaves-your-sla-prints-squeaky-clean/
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[19:07:14] <furrywolf> I have a small ultrasonic cleaner, and want a larger one.
[19:07:39] <XXCoder1> disk sander apparently works
[19:08:09] <furrywolf> yes, for about ten minutes. encasing it in foam is a bad idea. :P
[19:10:29] <XXCoder1> oh its for print cleaning not for batteries
[19:11:20] <furrywolf> ...
[19:11:23] <furrywolf> lol?
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[19:11:57] <CaptHindsight> why are so many people buying that crappy Form1? SLA with DLP or LCD is so much faster
[19:12:13] <furrywolf> bbl, need to unload yard sale crap from my van.
[19:12:28] <CaptHindsight> and now Form1 is not letting users adjust the print rates and laser output power
[19:13:48] <CaptHindsight> 20-minute alcohol bath?! you just need a quick soak or washdown
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[19:15:17] <CaptHindsight> a cheapo ultrasonic bath costs the same as a sander
[19:15:41] <XXCoder1> but if already own one
[19:15:50] <XXCoder1> cost is literal zero
[19:16:14] <XXCoder1> I do want to own ultrasonic cleaner though
[19:16:25] <CaptHindsight> but now you have wasted a baking pan
[19:16:44] <CaptHindsight> and a sander
[19:16:46] <XXCoder1> why? its still alum pan
[19:16:51] <XXCoder1> sander still sander
[19:17:00] <CaptHindsight> covered in foam
[19:17:16] <CaptHindsight> remind me not to eat your baked goods :)
[19:17:42] <XXCoder1> actually can make mold (by using plast sheets tape and well sander itself) foam up, clean out
[19:17:46] <XXCoder1> its now reusable
[19:17:54] <XXCoder1> I would not use kitchen pan actually
[19:18:03] <XXCoder1> just go to value vallage get pan for less than $1
[19:18:24] <CaptHindsight> why not make a pan?
[19:18:36] <CaptHindsight> why always spending money? :)
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[19:18:42] <XXCoder1> lol
[19:18:55] <CaptHindsight> it dosn't grow on tress yah know
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[19:19:47] <XXCoder1> that seal is pretty good
[19:19:56] <XXCoder1> consiering just clips and rubber lol
[19:20:51] <XXCoder1> roughly same volume
http://www.amazon.com/Ivation-IVUC96S-Ultrasonic-Adjustable-Auto-Shut-off/dp/B00E5PCX1A/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_2
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[19:28:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9eAiy0IGBI jump to 1:24, not to far off a guess from 1930
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[19:44:38] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx,
http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/JT%20Kossel/JT%20Kossel%20Frame%2002.JPG
[19:44:47] <JT-Shop> and tjb1 ^^
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[19:56:32] <tjb1> JT-Shop: what is your idea for motors and idlers?
[19:56:43] <furrywolf> I love my ultrasonic cleaner. You dump in greasy, rusty, dirty crap, and it comes out shiny.
[19:56:58] <furrywolf> and just using soap, no solvents.
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[19:57:18] <renesis> i need one of those for my dishes
[19:57:40] <furrywolf> if your dishes are rusty, may I suggest switching to stainless and/or keeping them seasoned? :P
[19:58:07] <furrywolf> also, they have them. they're called "dishwashers".
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[19:58:49] <ReadError> wives?
[19:59:07] <furrywolf> ...no
[19:59:19] <JT-Shop> tjb1, I'm thinking of putting the motors on top and put the idler in the bottom stop for the linear rail
[19:59:33] <JT-Shop> I still have the inside bracket to draw for the stepper
[19:59:54] <JT-Shop> I think I have the proportions close now
[20:00:30] <furrywolf> hrmm, I should have put up a larger load. today is very sunny.
[20:00:40] <furrywolf> I love my washerdryer, but it sure does use a lot of power. heh.
[20:01:08] <renesis> my dishes arent rusty
[20:01:16] <renesis> theyre just dirty
[20:01:20] <renesis> 00:04:03 < ReadError> wives?
[20:01:26] <renesis> yeah seriously
[20:01:32] * furrywolf points renesis to the ":P", indicating humor
[20:01:36] <JT-Shop> dang the best price for a set of hiwin mgn-12h 400mm is $300
[20:02:08] <renesis> my place wouldnt fit a dishwasher
[20:02:18] <renesis> i dont even have double sink
[20:02:47] <furrywolf> get a portable one. that's what I have. it's a freestanding thing with a butcherboard countertop square on top, and screws to the kitchen sink faucet to use it.
[20:03:09] <renesis> wouldnt fit
[20:03:20] <renesis> i would have to run the line like across the stove
[20:03:37] <furrywolf> it has wheels. you roll it out of the way, then roll it over to the sink to use it.
[20:03:50] <furrywolf> you also can get countertop dishwashers, if you have very few dishes.
[20:03:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Sets-400mm-Linear-Bearing-MR12-MGN12C-HIWIN-Kossel-Reprap-3D-Printer-US-Ship-/181228469450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a320efcca
[20:04:10] <JT-Shop> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400mm-linear-rail-with-MGN12H-size-Carriage-3-sets-for-Mini-Kossel-3D-Printer-/201259532835?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edc00c223
[20:05:01] <JT-Shop> PLEASE NOTE: These are low cost Chinese made linear recirculating ball carriages and rails, please accept they will not be as smooth as the NSK/Thomson/HIWIN units. Each unit is checked prior to shipping to ensure they are sufficiently smooth for building a Kossel Mini 3D printer without any issues.
[20:05:17] <furrywolf> http://www.livingdirect.com/Koldfront-6-Place-Setting-Countertop-Dishwasher-Black-PDW60EB/PDW60EB,default,pd.html?mtcpromotion=PLA%3EHome_Appliances%3EDishwashers%3ECountertop%3EPDW60EB&src=SHOPPING&kpid=PDW60EB&CAWELAID=120128520000036489&CAGPSPN=pla&kpid=PDW60EB&gclid=CLCKrsrf5MMCFUiEfgodkqoAlg like that. You can get even smaller ones, but I just clicked a random google result.
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[20:10:54] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you familiar with kbell enterprises in St Louis?
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[20:11:58] <CaptHindsight> <$100 version
http://www.rubbermaid.com/Assets/images/Product/2212-xlarge.jpg +
https://dcmcmillen.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/sprinkler1.jpg
[20:12:26] <furrywolf> lol
[20:14:18] <renesis> actually that plus a dish drying rack seems pretty reasonable
[20:14:45] <renesis> $20 hydro pump, heh
[20:14:52] <CaptHindsight> submitting it to hack-a-day as we speak
[20:15:46] <CaptHindsight> with 3d printed dish reack
[20:15:50] <CaptHindsight> rack
[20:16:58] <furrywolf> lol
[20:18:00] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/celf-centering-vise-for-milling-drilling-set-up-etc-bridgeport-/231450396116 hrmm, do I need a home-made vise for my chinese mill?
[20:18:29] <Rab> JT-Shop, seems like the rotating mass of the motors would cause less vibration of the frame from the fixed base, rather than up top.
[20:19:04] <furrywolf> renesis: also, if you want to save space, I can confirm the combo washer/dryers work just fine, even off 110v power.
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[20:19:39] <renesis> not happening, me or the landlord wont pay for that
[20:20:40] <renesis> fuck i gotta do laundry
[20:20:57] <furrywolf> you put clothes in, add soap, press two buttons, and 2.5-4.5 hours later (the 110v models aren't the fastest drying...) you have clean and dry clothes.
[20:21:11] <renesis> some girl in my classes all excited to get out of the dorms
[20:21:32] <renesis> im like, you got meal plan, washers and dryers, how can you comaplain
[20:22:10] <furrywolf> meh, even well-used name-brand vises are a lot more than I can afford. probably going to get more chinese products.
[20:23:19] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Milling-Machine-Vise-6-Wide-/291346676414 that's probably an ok deal, but it looks too large for my machine.
[20:23:53] <renesis> might buy sherline vises for my thing
[20:23:55] <jdh> how big?
[20:24:12] <renesis> the small toolmakers vise i have for it is too big
[20:24:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.squeegi.com/video.php?v=fb958aa6-eb6f-11e0-b88f-00259002621a Ronco Shower and Blow Dryer in a Briefcase
[20:24:23] <furrywolf> mine or renesis's?
[20:24:34] <furrywolf> I have a sherline vise on my sherline... it's little.
[20:24:37] <jdh> yes
[20:25:24] <furrywolf> I wouldn't suggest it on anything much larger.
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[20:25:55] <furrywolf> jdh: are you asking how big mine is or how big renesis's is?
[20:27:28] <renesis> i bet mine is bigger than furrywolfs
[20:28:44] <JT-Shop> Rab, interesting thought
[20:29:11] <JT-Shop> I'm thinking the shorter the belt the better... having belts on the plasma table
[20:34:09] <zeeshan> T16L250V isn't a damn common fuse
[20:34:10] <zeeshan> :/
[20:34:27] <_methods> wow i just had to use a cold chisel as a drift key
[20:34:37] * _methods needs to find or buy a new drift key
[20:35:26] <zeeshan> make one
[20:35:26] <zeeshan> :D
[20:36:01] <_methods> i did with a cold chisel lol
[20:38:05] <furrywolf> I had to drop my drawbar down the spindle and hammer on it the other day. unacceptable. will pick up some cold-rolled rod for next time.
[20:38:21] <zeeshan> wut
[20:39:10] <renesis> sometimes shit gets stuck yo
[20:39:27] <renesis> i use the black side of the plastic hammer first
[20:39:42] <furrywolf> I used my _threaded_ drawbar as a hammering aid. that damages the threads. hence the picking up of a piece of rod to use next time.
[20:39:45] * renesis try medium hammer solution before big
[20:39:49] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/0034.3129/486-1228-ND/639763
[20:39:52] <zeeshan> is this a common fuse?
[20:39:54] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: I always use deadblow hammer to loosen em from spidle at work
[20:39:56] <XXCoder1> ever time
[20:40:13] <renesis> zeeshan: i dont see why not?
[20:40:24] <XXCoder1> just loosen a little, deadblow from top, remove em then loosen all way to remove chuck
[20:40:29] <zeeshan> doesn't look like something you can pick up at the local store
[20:40:38] <renesis> the fuse you want is never available
[20:40:46] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: no, not using the drawbar on a part the drawbar threads into. using it on a standard tapered shank with a tang, no threads.
[20:40:48] <renesis> this is a general rule in electronics
[20:40:59] <zeeshan> lol
[20:41:05] <XXCoder1> ahh
[20:41:30] <renesis> most stores wont stock every fuse in every size ever, because store isnt a fuse warehouse
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[20:41:41] <zeeshan> then its not a common fuse
[20:41:54] <zeeshan> i can get cc and class j fuses like at 29083210 places
[20:42:07] <renesis> i dunno man 'common' kind of depends on your fuse and your local sources of fuses
[20:42:24] <jdh> not much here. home stores or auto stores maybe
[20:42:29] <furrywolf> I hammer on mine to loosen the things it threads into every time... but it's a very bad thing to hammer its threaded end against a tang.
[20:42:34] <renesis> ive had trouble finding 5x20 mm in 1.5A
[20:42:47] <jdh> use a 5 A instead
[20:42:52] <renesis> ikr
[20:43:07] <XXCoder1> indee
[20:43:35] <renesis> zeeshan: electronics come from the internet, you dont live in china, hong kong, or taiwan
[20:43:51] <jdh> I wonder if radio shack sold fuses
[20:44:14] <XXCoder1> yeah internet land is found at 2 places, north of north pole and south of south pole.
[20:44:15] <renesis> 5x20 is going to have a lot less selection than the 1/4" deals or automotive at local places
[20:44:25] <renesis> because 5x20 is for electronics geeks
[20:44:39] <furrywolf> radioshack has a decent selection
[20:44:42] <renesis> jdh: they did
[20:46:58] <renesis> zeeshan: are you asking if that type of fuse package is common?
[20:47:42] <renesis> 5x20 mm is common, its what you put in IEC input module fuse boxes
[20:47:52] <zeeshan> yea
[20:47:59] <renesis> its a normal fuse
[20:48:22] <renesis> 1/4" fuses are huge and the shit you mentioned is just goofy big
[20:48:36] <renesis> 5x20 mm is kind of normal
[20:48:42] <zeeshan> to me cc fuses are normal
[20:48:53] <zeeshan> i guess idont really work with dinky electronics :P
[20:49:15] <renesis> no just big retarded electronics
[20:49:43] <zeeshan> no, just power distribution
[20:49:48] <zeeshan> cc is on the smaller end of fuses in that context
[20:50:06] <renesis> so its on the smaller end of big retarded electronics
[20:50:16] <zeeshan> do you even know what electronics means
[20:50:31] <zeeshan> oh nm
[20:50:43] <zeeshan> i forgot you relays are contactors to you
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> =D
[20:50:57] <renesis> contactors are a type of relay
[20:51:04] <renesis> not all relays are contactors
[20:51:05] <XXCoder1> contractor contactors
[20:51:09] <zeeshan> and contactors and relays
[20:51:11] <zeeshan> are english to you
[20:51:12] <zeeshan> i forgot!
[20:51:54] <renesis> dont even know where youre going with that
[20:52:17] <zeeshan> some power distribution uses electronics yea
[20:52:21] <renesis> a contactor is a lot more a relay than a solid state relay is a relay
[20:52:23] <XXCoder1> no idea, my commet was just silly
[20:52:43] <zeeshan> that doesn't make fuses mean for power distributionit "
[20:52:44] <renesis> no i mean zeeshan noting that were speaking english
[20:52:45] <zeeshan> as
[20:52:46] <zeeshan> " on the smaller end of big retarded electronics"
[20:52:56] <renesis> sure it does
[20:53:07] <zeeshan> the only thing retarded is you
[20:53:14] <zeeshan> go back to your chem hw :P
[20:53:23] <renesis> if youre calling electronics 'dinky electronics' and electrical 'big retarded electronics'
[20:53:35] <JT-Shop> got a bit more drawn up
http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/JT%20Kossel/JT%20Kossel%20Frame%2003.JPG
[20:53:50] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: 3d printer?
[20:53:51] <renesis> man gettin all personal
[20:54:29] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:54:56] <renesis> and todays homework is calc
[20:55:37] <zeeshan> ive never seen the kossel before
[20:55:41] <zeeshan> that is a cool design
[20:56:46] <JT-Shop> the challenge is to make it without a printer to print the parts LOL
[20:57:00] <zeeshan> you have enough cnc machines :-)
[20:57:18] <zeeshan> the other day when my trigger wheel was made wrong
[20:57:30] <zeeshan> i was like "Damn it i have to wait another week to get another one cut on the waterjet"
[20:57:35] <zeeshan> then i realized i have a cnc mill
[20:57:36] <zeeshan> :-)
[20:57:36] * furrywolf sorta remembers some calc...
[20:57:40] <XXCoder1> kessel run in 12 parsics
[20:58:05] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: exactly you need cnc machine to make another
[20:58:11] <XXCoder1> im trying to start from bare lol
[20:58:19] <XXCoder1> drill press and table saw thats ut
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[20:59:01] <furrywolf> you can pick up a cheap ($40-ish new) xy table for your drill press, if you need any basic machining tasks.
[20:59:20] <zeeshan> i wouldnt be using a drill press to mill
[20:59:39] <furrywolf> I mean just for the construction of the cnc machine.
[21:00:09] <renesis> i dont think you need a cnc mill to make a mill
[21:00:11] <XXCoder1> yea thats what I always suspected - first drill press, drill with xy, mill machine, automatic manual mill, cnc mill, cnc router
[21:00:15] * JT-Shop should be assembling dual fills
[21:00:16] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-4-Cross-Drill-Press-Vise-X-Y-Clamp-Machine-Slide-Metal-Milling-2-Way-HD-/271595016820 like that
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[21:00:28] <renesis> manual machines could do it
[21:00:42] <XXCoder1> not bad actually
[21:00:55] <XXCoder1> I need to make wood parts though
[21:01:08] <XXCoder1> and well I forgot almost all skills from hs school lol
[21:01:32] <furrywolf> I have one of those cheapo xy tables... they're total, utter crap. but they will cut slots, etc.
[21:01:32] <XXCoder1> ill keep it in mind though :)
[21:01:42] <renesis> heh, the wheel for the x looks a bit inconvenient
[21:01:51] <XXCoder1> renesis: look other side
[21:01:51] <zeeshan> they'll also pull out your morse taper
[21:01:52] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:02:04] <furrywolf> they have no form of antibacklash of any kind, and you have about an eighth inch of backlash, between plain nuts, and the shafts just held in by c-clips with plenty of room.
[21:02:49] <XXCoder1> slightly bigger
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-5-Cross-Drill-Press-Vise-X-Y-Clamp-Machine-Slide-Metal-Milling-2-Way-HD/271595032748?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28810%26meid%3Dd3f9b78e892247318fb3da2374ce89fc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D271595016820&rt=nc
[21:04:34] <furrywolf> that one looks like it might have bearings and gibs, and suck less than mine.
[21:04:36] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop looks like you're gettin there
[21:05:00] <Tom_itx> you might consider the belt lengths you have readily available on that too
[21:06:38] <JT-Shop> I think you can get some pretty long lengths of gs2 belting
[21:07:01] <JT-Shop> but moving the idler up to just below the end of the linear will shorten it some
[21:07:06] <Tom_itx> they have them available for the delta bots somewhere
[21:07:12] <Tom_itx> i'm sure you can source it yourself
[21:07:47] <JT-Shop> the belt will be 900mm instead of 1200mm
[21:07:51] <Tom_itx> probably with the idlers etc too
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[21:09:27] <JT-Shop> wow when I open one of the stl parts up in SW it is 10 times too big I think
[21:09:54] <XXCoder1> that or all rest oif is is 1/10 ;)
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[21:10:47] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: have you made a lot of flanges?
[21:10:50] <zeeshan> on your mill
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[21:12:13] <JT-Shop> flanges?
[21:12:29] <zeeshan> http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/vibtif1431_v1.jpg
[21:12:30] <XXCoder1> had to google it too lol
[21:12:42] <zeeshan> thinks similar to that geometry
[21:12:58] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.turbo-flanges.com/images/LS1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.turbo-flanges.com/product_info.php?products_id%3D36&h=480&w=640&tbnid=w3DXnqgOIbScVM:&zoom=1&docid=lz042qop5Rnh1M&ei=0QvhVNzRCcGxyASeiIHwAQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CBsQMygAMAA
[21:12:59] <zeeshan> er
[21:13:03] <zeeshan> http://www.turbo-flanges.com/images/LS1.jpg
[21:13:48] <JT-Shop> I've made parts similar to those but not for autos
[21:14:03] <zeeshan> in the rectangular case
[21:14:05] <zeeshan> whats the best way to hold it?
[21:14:14] <zeeshan> you have to machine both outside and inside
[21:14:23] <zeeshan> say you're starting with flatbar
[21:14:27] <zeeshan> i feel like im doing it wrong
[21:14:54] <JT-Shop> drill the holes then bolt it onto a sacrificial aluminum bar
[21:14:57] <Tom_itx> drill the holes first and use them for clamps
[21:15:01] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:15:05] <Tom_itx> great minds...
[21:15:14] <zeeshan> how do you align it
[21:15:16] <JT-Shop> that way you can cut the outside profile
[21:15:20] <zeeshan> w/ the fixture
[21:15:40] <Tom_itx> the same way you align it in the model?
[21:15:50] <JT-Shop> on the one with 4 I would mill some bosses that fit the large holes
[21:15:51] <Tom_itx> index off one of the holding holes
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[21:16:25] <zeeshan> so then you'd need to drill and ream
[21:16:26] <zeeshan> the holes
[21:16:27] <furrywolf> a bit of drill rod the same size as one of the holes, or a coaxial indicator, or find a couple edges...
[21:16:29] <zeeshan> so you can fix it
[21:16:33] <JT-Shop> I make my fixtures to some repeatable dimension from the left and rear edge
[21:16:34] <zeeshan> *fit it
[21:16:48] <zeeshan> ah i see
[21:17:05] <Tom_itx> dowel pin the edge of the mateial and define it in your cad model
[21:17:13] <zeeshan> if you put dowel to the edge
[21:17:15] <zeeshan> you cant machine it
[21:17:19] <zeeshan> without moving em
[21:17:22] <JT-Shop> yup
[21:17:48] <zeeshan> ive seen people do this in one setup
[21:17:56] <zeeshan> i can't recall how :P
[21:18:10] <XXCoder1> clamo change without moving part?
[21:18:13] <XXCoder1> clamps
[21:18:19] <Tom_itx> waterjet? :)
[21:18:21] <zeeshan> yea maybe it was like that
[21:18:25] <zeeshan> no Tom_itx, on a mill
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[21:18:45] <Tom_itx> either way you're gonna have to move a couple clamps once
[21:19:17] <furrywolf> I've done stuff like that just clamping the outside and cutting the part free... make sure the last step is to get the spindle out of there asap, as otherwise it'll chew into the part when the part comes loose.
[21:19:25] <Tom_itx> several ways you can approach it
[21:19:37] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the inside yea
[21:19:56] <zeeshan> is that how you guys do the internal feature?
[21:19:58] <zeeshan> you just contour it
[21:20:10] <zeeshan> or would you use trochiodal milling
[21:20:12] <zeeshan> so make a bigger slot
[21:20:13] <XXCoder1> on cnc tend to cut interior and holes first
[21:20:16] <XXCoder1> then outside
[21:20:31] <XXCoder1> sometimes after adding screws to inside holes
[21:20:34] <zeeshan> yes but how is it being clamped when its being cut interior and holes
[21:20:38] <XXCoder1> clamps sometimes
[21:20:46] <XXCoder1> outside clamps
[21:20:46] <zeeshan> id like to make 10 of these
[21:20:57] <zeeshan> and theyre out of stainless 1/2"
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[21:21:06] <XXCoder1> outside clamps while inside cut then put inside clamps with outside clamps still on
[21:21:09] <zeeshan> so i need the clamping to be pretty secure
[21:21:13] <XXCoder1> make sure its secure then remove outside clamps
[21:21:22] <Tom_itx> use 3 dowels for alignment, clamp the outside of the material, mill the holes and move to internal clamps threaded inside the holes and finish the profile
[21:21:34] <XXCoder1> tend to not use pins here lol
[21:21:47] <XXCoder1> depends of course
[21:21:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: thats how i have my fixture made
[21:21:51] <zeeshan> 3 dowels
[21:21:52] <Tom_itx> they're not even close to the cutter if you do it right
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[21:22:31] <Tom_itx> make sure your zclear is high enough
[21:23:06] <XXCoder1> yeah lol I had to modify one really bad program, it went too close to one edge so cant clamp there
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[21:23:28] <XXCoder1> so I added m00 to adjust clamps so em wouldnt hit em, AND increase z clearance over those
[21:23:34] <XXCoder1> so it hops over
[21:23:34] <Tom_itx> option 2 is align the holes over prethreaded holes in your plate. drill them and add bolts, remove all other clamps and mill the holes and profile
[21:23:58] <Tom_itx> 3 bolts would be enough probably
[21:24:10] <XXCoder1> most common way for me to secure parts before border cut'
[21:24:20] <JT-Shop> zeeshan,
http://ibin.co/1rmN9LYNeYGr
[21:25:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you put that in stepjaws?
[21:25:46] <Tom_itx> parallels...
[21:25:59] <zeeshan> looks like that goes ina vise
[21:25:59] <zeeshan> :P
[21:26:07] <zeeshan> and his edges of the fixture are machiend nice
[21:26:08] <Tom_itx> that's what i meant
[21:26:10] <zeeshan> so you can reference off em
[21:26:30] <JT-Shop> yea, in a vise with parallels under
[21:26:32] <Tom_itx> you'd have too much overhang on your part though
[21:26:46] <zeeshan> im talking about the square one :)
[21:26:48] <zeeshan> or rect
[21:26:49] <Tom_itx> oh
[21:27:10] <JT-Shop> the long one you use more than one vise
[21:27:19] <zeeshan> id need to reindex that part
[21:27:23] <zeeshan> my machine only travels 15"
[21:27:30] <zeeshan> part is 17" i think
[21:27:30] <zeeshan> lol
[21:27:36] <Tom_itx> diagonal
[21:27:41] <XXCoder1> get bigger xy
[21:27:46] <Tom_itx> who says it has to be in x or y?
[21:27:53] <zeeshan> haha tom
[21:28:00] <Tom_itx> you think i'm kidding?
[21:28:01] <zeeshan> i didn't think about that :-)
[21:28:11] <Tom_itx> i make s*it work
[21:28:21] * zeeshan looks up dimensions
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[21:28:38] <Tom_itx> add the tool diameter in your calcs too
[21:28:46] <Tom_itx> it's the path not the part
[21:28:54] <zeeshan> yea
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[21:30:17] <furrywolf> my machine also travels 17", but it only has 11" overhang, so that's the largest area you can actually machine...
[21:31:27] <JT-Shop> for parts longer than your travel you need to be able to pick up some machined features from the first half on your fixture
[21:31:50] <zeeshan> yea to reindex
[21:32:08] <Tom_itx> yeah we've done parts over 100" long that way
[21:32:25] <zeeshan> tom
[21:32:30] <zeeshan> it works diagonal
[21:32:32] <zeeshan> good job :-)
[21:32:59] <zeeshan> i love running ideas by here
[21:33:08] <furrywolf> I might need to make a 16" diameter disc on my 11x10" mill... would have to mill it in quarters.
[21:33:09] <zeeshan> always come up with something better than i initially thought
[21:34:30] <furrywolf> the good part of it is that all four quarters are identical, and the first step is drilling 8 evenly-spaced holes, convienently indexing the next three steps...
[21:36:16] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:40:40] <JT-Shop> dang the only drawings of the hiwin rail is on grabcad
[21:40:57] <zeeshan> grabcad ftw
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[21:51:18] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak21wDMAQuA
[21:51:23] <zeeshan> this video might help .
[21:51:44] <zeeshan> looks like he's done the internal features and exterior in one go
[21:51:54] <zeeshan> but how did they put the holes in to hold the part onto the aluminum fixture?
[21:52:07] <zeeshan> complete seperate operation?
[21:53:27] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: maybe
[21:53:46] <XXCoder1> few jobs I do it usually drill holes not for part holes but for bolts
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[21:53:51] <PetefromTn_> I need to make some parts like that...
[21:54:07] <zeeshan> im gonna do asmall run
[21:54:09] <zeeshan> for the local guys
[21:54:38] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: so i guess ill need 2 fixtures
[21:54:48] <zeeshan> or a smart way to hold it inthe same fixture
[21:54:48] <zeeshan> :)
[21:54:52] <PetefromTn_> why
[21:54:56] <XXCoder1> yeah why
[21:55:09] <zeeshan> one to hold it down while i machine the bolt holes
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[21:55:22] <zeeshan> a quick setup type fixture
[21:55:24] <XXCoder1> just use hand clamps for that
[21:55:35] <zeeshan> yea but then ill need to square thwe work piece
[21:55:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah just clamp it down drill then screw it down
[21:55:39] <zeeshan> to the mill
[21:55:46] <XXCoder1> not if you cut all around
[21:55:59] <XXCoder1> precision when all outside is cut off isnt very needed
[21:56:09] <XXCoder1> just make sure all around will cut off
[21:56:10] <zeeshan> yes but the bolt holes need to be lined up
[21:56:12] <zeeshan> relative to each other
[21:56:19] <zeeshan> like if the work piec eisn't square
[21:56:22] <XXCoder1> just drill from those holes then tap em
[21:56:30] <XXCoder1> then put part on it and drill same places
[21:56:35] <PetefromTn_> not sure what you mean
[21:56:39] <XXCoder1> it will automically be aligned
[21:56:47] <XXCoder1> since its drilled same places
[21:56:48] <zeeshan> okay break this down into small steps
[21:56:55] <zeeshan> flat bar 1/2" x 18"
[21:57:02] <zeeshan> i need to mount this diagnonally on my mill
[21:57:15] <XXCoder1> zee first, use alum to make fixture, it should be pretty precise since you need to set x and y zero on it
[21:57:22] <zeeshan> i mount it directly to the table using regular clamps
[21:57:33] <XXCoder1> then drill holes and tap and store x and y for those holes
[21:57:58] <XXCoder1> with stock on that fixture, use clamps and program it to drill holes at same x, y (dont forget to set z)
[21:57:59] <zeeshan> yea
[21:58:10] <XXCoder1> bolt, remove clamps, then let it mill rest
[21:58:26] <XXCoder1> fixture is reuseable forever
[21:58:59] <zeeshan> so how am i lining up the stock
[21:59:00] <zeeshan> to the fixutre?
[21:59:18] <zeeshan> eyeballing it?
[21:59:32] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:59:33] <PetefromTn_> If you machine the fixture with the go around pass deep enough to leave an impression so you can line it up that usually works.
[22:00:09] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: thats smart idea
[22:00:11] <PetefromTn_> also if you want to reuse the fixture you can machine a slot along the X axis kinda shallow which will not interfere with the milling
[22:00:15] <XXCoder1> cut outline on fixture
[22:00:22] <zeeshan> outline of what?
[22:00:27] <XXCoder1> parts
[22:00:27] <zeeshan> the raw stock is a rectangular plate.
[22:00:28] <PetefromTn_> the final part
[22:00:35] <zeeshan> how does an outline onthe fixture help line it up?
[22:00:51] <XXCoder1> stock must be over all lines
[22:00:51] <zeeshan> im thinking of a raw stock
[22:00:58] <zeeshan> ah okay
[22:01:01] <XXCoder1> if you can see lines part will be bad
[22:01:08] <zeeshan> gotcha :P
[22:01:19] <PetefromTn_> if you can see where the outline of the part will be you can line it up easily unless you are really pushing the size of material to part ratip
[22:01:22] <PetefromTn_> ratio
[22:01:29] <zeeshan> its stainless
[22:01:34] <XXCoder1> fixture must be bigger than part of course
[22:01:35] <zeeshan> so id like to keep stock as small as possible
[22:01:36] <zeeshan> !
[22:01:53] <ssi> hi
[22:01:55] <zeeshan> hi
[22:02:04] <PetefromTn_> hi
[22:02:12] <ssi> :D
[22:02:18] <zeeshan> im thinking 1/2" rougher
[22:02:20] <zeeshan> then 1/2" finisher
[22:02:22] <PetefromTn_> should be pretty easy to line up the stock on the outline
[22:03:14] <PetefromTn_> like I said if you cut a slot along the X and machine a precise hole for location you should be able to relocate the part fixture back on the table later on with those two datums.
[22:03:31] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: easiest would be just cut air
[22:03:52] <XXCoder1> even normal part height it should slightly be lower than surface of fixture
[22:04:06] <XXCoder1> so it will cut a little into fixture the first time
[22:04:22] <PetefromTn_> isn't that what I said already?
[22:04:24] <XXCoder1> then its visiable and can align stock to it
[22:04:31] <zeeshan> just fyi
[22:04:35] <XXCoder1> I know, im adding air cut idea
[22:04:38] <zeeshan> my fixture won't be perpendicular to the table
[22:04:39] <zeeshan> er
[22:04:41] <zeeshan> to the axios.
[22:04:44] <zeeshan> itll be diagognal
[22:04:50] <zeeshan> lsdkjsd i cant type for shit today
[22:04:55] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about using the slot for picking up the fixture later on...
[22:06:29] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: why cant be set flat?
[22:06:46] <zeeshan> not enough travel :)
[22:06:50] <zeeshan> without having to index
[22:07:16] <PetefromTn_> basically, clamp down your substrate fixture, locate and drill all the holes and machine the perimeter of the actual part profile into the surface of the fixture maybe .020 deep, then machine an XY zero hole for reaquisition of the fixture and finally machine a shallow slot with say a quarter inch endmill along the X axis so you can pickup the exact angle the next time you want to machine one of those parts..
[22:08:09] <PetefromTn_> this is all of course with your substrate fixture set at the angle you need to reach all around the part inside your travel limits.
[22:09:51] <XXCoder1> or just get new xy lol
[22:14:19] <zeeshan> yes let me buy anotehr mill
[22:14:25] <zeeshan> ! :P
[22:14:33] <XXCoder1> yeah worth it LOL
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[22:18:35] <Tom_itx> think inside the box... (just don't forget it has corners)
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[22:19:08] <PetefromTn_> never have a big enough machine LOL
[22:19:28] <XXCoder1> even if your cnc mill could mill a alum building its not big enough LOL
[22:19:39] <Tom_itx> we used to run parts with the side doors open hanging out
[22:19:54] <Tom_itx> like 6 or so vises on the slab
[22:20:47] <Tom_itx> some darn wing stringer parts or something... i forget now
[22:21:10] <zeeshan> i kinda used all your ideas
[22:21:13] <zeeshan> and came up with something
[22:22:25] <PetefromTn_> I need to make windows on my mill for that it has solid steel sheetmetal sides. I figure if I ever get a job that needs that I will come up with something...
[22:22:39] <ssi> I have removable side panels on mine
[22:22:44] <ssi> but they're solid sheetmetal panels
[22:22:53] <PetefromTn_> but even inside the enclosure I can do something quite large..
[22:22:59] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/lg6Bt4O.png
[22:23:06] <ssi> yea
[22:23:07] <zeeshan> the flat corner highlighted
[22:23:11] <ssi> can do an engine block on it no problem
[22:23:13] <zeeshan> ill use to reline the fixture with the table
[22:23:20] <zeeshan> the hole to get origin
[22:23:21] <zeeshan> for g-code
[22:23:35] <PetefromTn_> should work I think..
[22:23:54] <zeeshan> its not super accuirate anyway
[22:23:57] <PetefromTn_> might want to put the slot across the whole width to ensure you have enough distance to get a good X alignment
[22:23:59] <zeeshan> +/-10 thou ok
[22:24:08] <Tom_itx> we cut some of those from SS once
[22:24:17] <Tom_itx> i forget what engine it was for
[22:24:20] <zeeshan> ls
[22:24:35] <zeeshan> a lot of gm use it
[22:25:44] <zeeshan> i stil gotta put the recess for the sch40 pipe
[22:26:02] <furrywolf> the rule for automotive stuff seems to be to make every hold a sixteenth too large, so it all lines up even with non-perfect tolerances.
[22:26:02] <furrywolf> hole
[22:26:24] <zeeshan> well to me the most important is the bores.
[22:26:26] <furrywolf> or more. :)
[22:26:30] <zeeshan> i dont want to port match by hand
[22:26:33] <zeeshan> cause thats annoying
[22:27:07] <furrywolf> heh. I've always labeled that as "too much work for not much gain".
[22:27:26] <zeeshan> well in a turbo system
[22:27:45] <zeeshan> it makes difference in the pressure between the exhaust valve and turbine blades
[22:27:56] <zeeshan> its already a havoc in there :P
[22:28:13] <zeeshan> any edges become hot spots too
[22:28:29] <ssi> fortunately turbo systems are pretty insensitive to exhaust flow divergence issues
[22:28:30] <furrywolf> hrmm, my internet connection is suddenly sucking.
[22:28:45] <ssi> NA engines respond more heavily to backpressure tuning and such
[22:29:57] <furrywolf> I've never been into speed enough to care about the relatively small gains such tuning gives.
[22:30:18] <zeeshan> what is exhaust flow divergence
[22:30:25] <zeeshan> that sounds like a nozzle
[22:30:26] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:30:29] <ssi> things like badly matched ports
[22:30:43] <furrywolf> I did an engine swap on my subaru, got 60% more horses... not going to spend a month to get another 5% on top of that. heh.
[22:30:45] <ssi> where you get a sharp corner that causes turbulent divergence
[22:30:46] <zeeshan> you still notice issues on turbos
[22:30:57] <zeeshan> the manifold pressure is unnecessarily high
[22:31:04] <zeeshan> edges retain more heat
[22:31:12] <zeeshan> exhaust gas temp goes lame
[22:31:16] <ssi> this is true
[22:31:27] <zeeshan> but you just turn up the boost
[22:31:32] <zeeshan> and bam its all good
[22:31:37] <ssi> more boost is always good :D
[22:31:38] <zeeshan> ive had issues with my car with too much heat
[22:31:42] <zeeshan> typical turbo bullshit
[22:31:49] <ssi> my last car ran 29psi :P
[22:31:53] <zeeshan> lol
[22:32:09] <zeeshan> with v8 unless you want like 1500hp
[22:32:16] <zeeshan> 29 psi is too much!
[22:32:20] <ssi> it wasn't a v8 ;)
[22:32:21] <furrywolf> my car runs 14.5psi... oh, wait, you mean gauge, not absolute. :P
[22:32:24] <ssi> it was a 2.0 i4
[22:32:47] <zeeshan> my junker eclipse was turbo for a while
[22:32:49] <zeeshan> 2.4L turbo
[22:32:49] <ssi> furrywolf: you must live relatively close to sea level :)
[22:32:56] <ssi> 2.4?
[22:32:59] <ssi> what gen?
[22:33:00] <zeeshan> yea
[22:33:02] <zeeshan> 3rd gen
[22:33:03] <ssi> the neon motor?
[22:33:05] <zeeshan> no
[22:33:06] <zeeshan> lol
[22:33:06] <ssi> o
[22:33:08] <zeeshan> 4g64
[22:33:08] <furrywolf> ssi: 16ft, I think.
[22:33:34] <ssi> yeah I forget sometimes that atlanta is the second highest elevation major metropolitan city
[22:33:37] <zeeshan> its was my fun car 18-24
[22:33:50] <zeeshan> now its collecting rod on my driveway
[22:34:06] <ssi> zeeshan: every DD I've had for the last almost 20 years has been turbo :P
[22:34:15] <zeeshan> my current dd is turbo too haha
[22:34:16] <furrywolf> going to do another subaru engine swap soon on someone else's car... 230hp with no turbo. :P
[22:34:21] <zeeshan> but i don't intend to modify it at all
[22:34:31] <zeeshan> no need for multiple projects :P
[22:34:31] <ssi> the last one was 425hp awd
[22:34:36] <ssi> was fun til I got a street racing ticket :P
[22:34:39] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/setup2007woot1.jpg
[22:34:41] <zeeshan> eclipse!
[22:34:51] <zeeshan> fak that pic is old
[22:34:59] <ssi> I never liked the 3gs
[22:35:07] <zeeshan> i liked it
[22:35:09] <ssi> buddy had a 3g 3.0l gt back in the day
[22:35:09] <zeeshan> just didnt like it was fwd
[22:35:12] <ssi> when I had my 1g gst
[22:35:16] <zeeshan> just spun wheels all the time
[22:35:17] <zeeshan> and broke axles
[22:35:28] <zeeshan> and if it wasn't axles it'd be the transmission
[22:35:30] <ssi> yeah that's why I got the R, for the awd
[22:35:38] <ssi> but honestly awd wasn't as awesome as I hoped
[22:35:39] <zeeshan> typical longitudal transmission bs
[22:35:45] <ssi> it didn't spin tires enough haha
[22:35:54] <zeeshan> have you driven a subie awd?
[22:35:56] <zeeshan> its completely different
[22:35:58] <ssi> and the fuel economy penalty sucked
[22:35:59] <ssi> yeah I have
[22:36:03] <zeeshan> symmetric awd ftw
[22:36:05] <ssi> I'm not a big fan tbh
[22:36:11] <furrywolf> someone I know has a toyota matrix... zippier than I expected. 180hp, NA.
[22:36:12] <zeeshan> i love my subie
[22:36:21] <ssi> I was planning on doing the race haldex controller, which would have given me adjustable balance
[22:36:25] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I have two subies. :)
[22:36:31] <zeeshan> which ones?
[22:36:39] <ssi> new stis are far too expensive
[22:36:39] <furrywolf> '83 and '84 wagons
[22:36:44] <ssi> $10k more than the R was, and slower
[22:36:45] <zeeshan> ah cool
[22:36:54] <furrywolf> the '84 is now a '96 imprezza under the hood...
[22:37:03] <zeeshan> fak subie motors though
[22:37:09] <zeeshan> well not just subie
[22:37:12] <zeeshan> but boxer engines in general
[22:37:15] <zeeshan> retarded design
[22:37:16] <ssi> lol the airplane I was flying today used to have a subie motor
[22:37:19] <ssi> which was a terrible idea
[22:37:23] <zeeshan> to put the piston pin
[22:37:27] <zeeshan> you gotta struggle lol
[22:37:29] <furrywolf> ... retarded because they run smooth with a nice low CG?
[22:37:33] <zeeshan> no
[22:37:35] <zeeshan> because they're a shit design
[22:37:40] <zeeshan> for assembly
[22:37:42] <zeeshan> and rebuilding
[22:38:09] <furrywolf> eh? you use a big hex driver to pull out the plugs on the back and under the water pump, pop the c-clips, and the pins pull out...
[22:38:10] <ssi> zeeshan: most airplane engines are boxers
[22:38:10] <zeeshan> they're also notorious for oiling issues
[22:38:17] <ssi> but they're aircooled with removable cyls
[22:38:17] <ssi> :D
[22:38:33] <zeeshan> im biased
[22:38:35] <zeeshan> i like my regular engines
[22:38:39] <zeeshan> theyre so easy to work on
[22:38:42] <zeeshan> fuck rotarys too
[22:38:43] <zeeshan> lol
[22:38:50] <furrywolf> I've worked on a couple subie engines, no complaints yet.
[22:38:50] <ssi> yeah fuck rotarys right in the ear
[22:39:10] <Tom_itx> i had a friend that raced those
[22:39:13] <Tom_itx> he liked em
[22:39:19] <zeeshan> i had a rotary for a longgg time
[22:39:25] <zeeshan> 3 of them
[22:39:29] <zeeshan> boom
[22:39:29] <zeeshan> boom
[22:39:31] <zeeshan> BOOM
[22:39:33] <ssi> I have a friend that had a couple of them
[22:39:39] <ssi> had an FD
[22:39:42] <furrywolf> just put together an ea81, going into an old brat that had an ea81. we're making a bellhousing adapter and a flywheel spacer to make it bolt to the old-style bellhousing.
[22:39:42] <zeeshan> apex seal out
[22:39:49] <ssi> and a 911 with a 13b in it
[22:39:51] <zeeshan> turbine blade disintigration!
[22:39:56] <ssi> yep
[22:40:11] <zeeshan> they also use fuel atomizer plates
[22:40:19] <zeeshan> that are made out of plastic and fall into the intake
[22:40:23] <zeeshan> and kaboom the apex seal too
[22:40:27] <furrywolf> with everyone I know, they've had about a half dozen rx7s... none of them seemed to be on the road more than six months at a time.
[22:40:34] <zeeshan> LOLfurry
[22:40:35] <zeeshan> it's true
[22:40:40] <zeeshan> i was one
[22:40:52] <zeeshan> v8 in rx7
[22:40:54] <furrywolf> kinda like air-cooled VWs. :P
[22:40:55] <zeeshan> is the best thing ive ever done
[22:41:09] <zeeshan> it makes me never want to modify anything else
[22:41:30] <zeeshan> iit's just really REALLY hard
[22:41:35] <zeeshan> to build a twin turbo setup for it
[22:41:42] <zeeshan> that is easy to work on and compact
[22:41:44] <ssi> why, space?
[22:41:47] <zeeshan> theres not much room at all
[22:41:50] <ssi> yea
[22:41:55] <zeeshan> my turbos last year were mounted too low
[22:41:58] <ssi> I used to do a lot with Z31s
[22:42:00] <furrywolf> someone I know now has an ls1 (or one of the other shiny SBCs, don't remember which) in an ancient jag xj12... bored and stroked, with a big aftermarket fuel injection system. much more power than the stock 12cyl. heh.
[22:42:02] <ssi> they have plenty of room :DH
[22:42:04] <zeeshan> so i had to use a scavenge pump to evacuate oil
[22:42:14] <zeeshan> which causes a shit load of issues
[22:42:36] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea the lsx is a whore motor
[22:42:37] <zeeshan> it's in everything
[22:42:40] <zeeshan> from dune buggys
[22:42:43] <zeeshan> to snowblowers
[22:42:49] <ssi> lsx swaps bore the shit out of me
[22:42:49] <zeeshan> to boats to cars, to lawnmowers
[22:42:50] <zeeshan> hahaha
[22:42:59] <zeeshan> its a good motor
[22:43:02] <ssi> it is
[22:43:05] <ssi> and it's simple to do
[22:43:05] <zeeshan> even though its a pushrod v8
[22:43:06] <zeeshan> hahaha
[22:43:11] <ssi> step 1: buy crate motor
[22:43:15] <ssi> step 2: install
[22:43:17] <ssi> step 3: fast
[22:43:21] <ssi> BORING
[22:43:29] <zeeshan> yea i did my swap in like 3 months
[22:43:35] <zeeshan> but the twin turbo is what excited me
[22:43:40] <zeeshan> i like fabricating
[22:43:47] <ssi> now, a rb26dettr
[22:43:49] <ssi> that's an interesting swap
[22:43:50] <ssi> :D
[22:44:29] <zeeshan> to be honest i was considering doing a 4 banger in the rx
[22:44:33] <zeeshan> but f doing custom mounts
[22:45:23] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps533f3917.jpg
[22:45:26] <zeeshan> where be the turbos?!
[22:45:31] <zeeshan> cant even see em
[22:45:33] <zeeshan> =D
[22:45:34] <furrywolf> my subaru swap wasn't too bad. plasma cut a bellhousing adapter, redrilled the flywheel, made a bunch of spacers for motor and tranny mounts, etc, built custom mounts for the shift linkage (I swapped in a tranny that fit neither the car nor the engine - needed adapters to the engine and to the car), built an air intake (with AEM dryflow), carefully disected the fuel injection wiring harness and re-wired it to work with the carb body, c
[22:46:01] <ssi> I did a subaru swap into a ferrari 308gts a couple years ago :P
[22:46:14] <zeeshan> f subaru motors!
[22:46:18] <zeeshan> you guys love your boxers eh
[22:46:29] <ssi> cause the only thing better than a ferrari is a ferrari that sounds like a drowning retard
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[22:46:41] <furrywolf> I re-engineered the cats to make them fit under the old body, but haven't gotten around to anything past the cats yet. it's loud. :P
[22:46:53] <XXCoder1> meow
[22:47:43] <ssi> http://www.motivateusnot.com/resize.php?name=LzM3OC9SaXZlcnMtSXQncy13aGF0LW1ha2VzLWEtU3ViYXJ1LWEtU3VibWFyaW5lLTRiMWQ2OGQ2MjU1ZGMuanBn&w=550&h=9999&extension=.jpg
[22:48:10] <zeeshan> LOL
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[22:48:14] <furrywolf> it only has 140hp, but it's reasonably zippy... I was happy when I did a test the other day... going up a hill at 40mph in 4th, dropped it into 2nd, and proceeded to spin both front wheels until I let off the gas...
[22:48:20] <zeeshan> furrywolf: turbo?
[22:48:24] <zeeshan> thats gotta be n/a
[22:48:27] <furrywolf> hell no
[22:48:28] * furrywolf likes NA
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[22:48:59] <ssi> NA is boring :)
[22:49:12] <zeeshan> at least hes not driving a prius
[22:49:21] <furrywolf> ... that is NOT how you make a subaru a submarine. someone here built a "submaru" for the kinetic sculpture race. :P
[22:49:24] * JT-Shop hates google groups
[22:49:45] <ssi> zeeshan: what's wrong with prius?!
[22:49:52] <zeeshan> nothing
[22:49:54] <furrywolf> a lot. a whole lot.
[22:49:56] <ssi> hahah I'm just kidding
[22:49:56] <zeeshan> moar gas for me
[22:49:59] <furrywolf> worst car I've ever driven.
[22:50:03] <ssi> f priuses
[22:50:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/GL1wjt1.jpg
[22:50:06] <zeeshan> thats my subiee
[22:50:18] <furrywolf> and I've driven a tracker, a metro, a vw bug...
[22:50:28] <furrywolf> and the prius is worse than all of them.
[22:50:29] <zeeshan> i kinda want an exhaust on it
[22:50:30] <ssi> I had an '89 pontiac lemans
[22:50:33] <ssi> which was a rebranded metro
[22:50:39] <ssi> and I'd rather drive it than a prius
[22:50:45] <ssi> I paid $100 for it
[22:51:19] <zeeshan> haha
[22:51:29] <furrywolf> I did a major drivetrain upgrade on the '84 subaru... new engine, new transmission (NOT the one that goes with the engine, or the car - too easy!), new rear axle, 2" of lift, rear disc brakes,...
[22:51:49] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the one thing id like to do on this car
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[22:51:54] <zeeshan> is put a front diff.
[22:52:01] <zeeshan> the newer subies dont have vlsd
[22:52:04] <zeeshan> annoying
[22:52:15] <furrywolf> mine doesn't have lsds either.
[22:52:25] <zeeshan> you can't really say you got an awd then! :P
[22:52:32] <furrywolf> I didn't. :P
[22:52:33] <zeeshan> its more like 2 wheel drive
[22:52:33] <XXCoder1> lsd
[22:52:35] <zeeshan> orhaha
[22:52:52] <zeeshan> we go to a steep hill in deep snow
[22:52:52] <furrywolf> also, the tranny I put in is real 4x4, not awd. :)
[22:52:54] <zeeshan> and see who can make it up
[22:53:08] <ssi> what is "deep snow"?
[22:53:14] <zeeshan> 6" minimum
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[22:53:19] <furrywolf> when the car was made, the options were a 4x4 4spd, or a 2wd 5spd... I swapped in a newer 4x4 5spd...
[22:53:23] <ssi> I didn't know they even made it that thick
[22:53:23] <furrywolf> 6" is not deep.
[22:53:29] <furrywolf> that won't even rub my diffs. :P
[22:53:34] <zeeshan> not in georgia :D
[22:53:37] <ssi> :)
[22:54:06] <furrywolf> I should have gone with 3" lift instead of 2". I might re-lift it.
[22:54:23] <zeeshan> wtf
[22:54:25] <zeeshan> you lifted your subie?
[22:54:26] <zeeshan> ahha
[22:54:35] <furrywolf> 3" makes fabbing the steering shaft slightly harder, and that was the most annoying part of the 2" lift already.
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[22:55:58] <furrywolf> I had to make a lot of bits to adapt the various parts... custom power steering hoses, etc too.
[22:56:01] <furrywolf> I swapped in power steering while I was at it - the original car was manual steering, but with the big(ish) tires the lift lets you put on, figured power would be nice.
[22:56:17] <furrywolf> but, of course, no one ever made a hose to connect a '96 pump to a '82 (I think it was) gearbox.
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[22:57:41] <furrywolf> let me guess, you're one of those weird people who likes cut springs and thinks sidewall is an evil that should be eliminated? :P
[22:57:41] <zeeshan> just us ss teflon hose
[22:57:52] <zeeshan> use
[22:57:59] <zeeshan> and an adapter fittings
[22:58:09] <zeeshan> cuts springs?!
[22:58:13] <zeeshan> wut
[22:58:20] <ssi> aeroquip 303 hose and 491 fittings :P
[22:58:29] <zeeshan> haha ssi
[22:58:33] <zeeshan> i knew you'd know your hose
[22:58:36] <zeeshan> you damn aircraft people
[22:58:43] <ssi> :)
[22:58:50] <ssi> hoses are expensive!
[22:58:54] <furrywolf> ... both of those are unneeded. power steering needs neither stainless braid nor teflon. I just used sae 100r5 hose.
[22:59:08] <ssi> I had to replace my oil cooler hoses this year due to 8yr AD
[22:59:14] <ssi> to buy them from a hose shop is about $600
[22:59:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its easy to work with
[22:59:15] <zeeshan> and cheap
[22:59:28] <ssi> I bought some 303 hose and reused the fittings and firesleeve and made my own
[22:59:37] <zeeshan> wtf
[22:59:37] <ssi> 303 is neither stainless braided nor teflon
[22:59:40] <zeeshan> thats too much money hose
[22:59:42] <zeeshan> for hose
[22:59:46] <ssi> but it's oil rated, fuel rated, pressure rated
[22:59:52] <zeeshan> i use aeroequip.cc
[23:00:03] <zeeshan> www.aeroquip.cc
[23:00:12] <ssi> furrywolf:
https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10917296_410114125823017_3758359561834189446_n.jpg?oh=db5c8ca94f0ac4e3c99706aecaf7a198&oe=554826B4
[23:00:19] <ssi> zeeshan: I use aircraftspruce.com :)
[23:00:23] <ssi> except I go there in person and buy it
[23:00:24] <zeeshan> :P
[23:00:26] <ssi> because I'm awesome like that
[23:00:31] <ssi> there's two in the country
[23:00:33] <ssi> one in Corona, CA
[23:00:37] <ssi> one in Peachtree City, GA
[23:00:57] <ssi> it's a 30m drive, or I can takeoff from the airport I live at, and by the time I hit 1500' AGL, I can glide into peachtree city airport
[23:01:01] <ssi> and walk to spruce
[23:01:11] <zeeshan> haha
[23:01:12] <zeeshan> nice
[23:01:17] <zeeshan> yea its better to buy stuff in real life
[23:01:22] <zeeshan> i try to do that as much as i can
[23:01:29] <ssi> I've gotten so close with the will call sales manager that I go over to his house on weekends and play music with him :D
[23:01:31] <zeeshan> but unfortunately, aerqouip hoses
[23:01:35] <zeeshan> and madnrel bends are 2 things
[23:01:39] <zeeshan> i can never find cheap locally.
[23:01:46] <zeeshan> the aluminum aeroquip that is
[23:01:50] <ssi> the thing that sucks about making hoses with aeroquip fittings is the tools
[23:01:57] <zeeshan> why
[23:01:59] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aqmandrel.php?clickkey=37524
[23:02:02] <ssi> cause they're SPENSIVE
[23:02:03] <zeeshan> you can use the aluminum wrenches
[23:02:06] <zeeshan> i made some
[23:02:06] <ssi> I actually made my own
[23:02:08] <zeeshan> yea
[23:02:09] <zeeshan> ahha
[23:02:12] <furrywolf> I had to get my fittings from a couple different places, since no place had all of them at a reasonable price. the long 90 was the hardest to find.
[23:02:12] <zeeshan> and a vise
[23:02:19] <zeeshan> ive never used that mandrel before
[23:02:21] <zeeshan> whats that for
[23:02:23] <ssi> but I have some aeroquip mandrels now
[23:02:31] <ssi> that's how you install and remove 491 fittings
[23:02:40] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aq491.php?clickkey=18886
[23:02:42] <zeeshan> okay they must be diffrent from what i use
[23:02:55] <ssi> see how the black part is tapered and threaded?
[23:03:05] <ssi> the 303 hose is rubber with a steel braid inside
[23:03:12] <ssi> you wrap tape around it, use a cutoff wheel to cut it square
[23:03:14] <ssi> take the tape off
[23:03:21] <ssi> then the gold part reverse threads onto the hose
[23:03:22] <zeeshan> thats what i do
[23:03:28] <zeeshan> i dont see where that mandrel comes in
[23:03:31] <ssi> then you tighten the black part on the mandrel real tight
[23:03:40] <furrywolf> http://hosewarehouse.com/190260-16S-SAE-JIC-37-Deg-Swivel-90-Degree-Long-Fitting-100R5-Reusable those, with a long run before the bend.
[23:03:42] <ssi> that allows you to thread the black part into the gold and the hose
[23:03:51] <ssi> you have to lube up the black part's stem
[23:03:58] <ssi> and then use a ton of force while you thread it in
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[23:04:57] <ssi> you must use 816 fittings or something
[23:04:58] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aq816.php?clickkey=11680
[23:05:10] <ssi> those go on the braided stainless hose
[23:05:12] <zeeshan> i honestly dont use anything but SS teflon
[23:05:14] <zeeshan> for most of my stuff
[23:05:17] <zeeshan> its not as flexible
[23:05:20] <zeeshan> but its the only hose i know of
[23:05:23] <zeeshan> that doesnt smell like fuel
[23:05:29] <ssi> http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=4470821001
[23:05:29] <zeeshan> after a while
[23:05:29] <furrywolf> yeah, I used reusable fittings on mine too.
[23:06:14] <zeeshan> most of that ss braider rubber
[23:06:16] <furrywolf> -6 100r5 (which is 5/16") for the pressure, -6 (which is 3/8") and tranny cooler line for return.
[23:06:18] <zeeshan> of nylon braided rubber
[23:06:23] <zeeshan> permeates fuel after a while
[23:06:27] <zeeshan> fuel vapor that is
[23:06:29] <furrywolf> the stuff I used is steel braided
[23:07:08] <furrywolf> no, I don't know why -6 100r5 is smaller than 6/16ths. I bet ssi does. :P
[23:07:28] <ssi> I don't deal with 100r5
[23:07:36] <zeeshan> f sae
[23:07:40] <ssi> agreed :)
[23:07:41] <zeeshan> jic ftw
[23:07:46] <ssi> AN ftw
[23:07:47] <ssi> heh
[23:07:58] <zeeshan> doesnt sae use a 45 degree taper
[23:08:01] * furrywolf notes the main difference between jic and an is the price.
[23:08:02] <zeeshan> vs the 37 degree an uses
[23:08:07] <zeeshan> no
[23:08:10] <zeeshan> its a much better sealing system
[23:08:13] <zeeshan> cause of that taper angle
[23:08:16] <zeeshan> its like r8 vs cat40!
[23:08:17] <zeeshan> :P
[23:08:23] <furrywolf> jic is the same taper as an, no?
[23:08:27] <zeeshan> no
[23:08:28] <zeeshan> its 37 deg
[23:08:32] <zeeshan> sae is 45 degree
[23:08:37] <furrywolf> jic != sae.
[23:08:48] <zeeshan> i know :P
[23:09:21] <ssi> zeeshan: you watch that video I linked?
[23:10:03] <furrywolf> JIC and AN are both 37 degrees.
[23:10:12] <furrywolf> and, as far as I know, completely compatible.
[23:10:17] * JT-Shop gives up and goes inside
[23:10:40] <ssi> lol
[23:10:54] <zeeshan> thats pretty much the same way i assemble hose
[23:10:56] <zeeshan> in that video
[23:10:57] <furrywolf> the main difference being the price. :P
[23:11:01] <zeeshan> where is he using the mandrel
[23:11:03] <zeeshan> i dont have sound right now
[23:11:05] <ssi> you see what the mandrel does now?
[23:11:08] <zeeshan> he's driving
[23:11:08] <zeeshan> LOL
[23:11:10] <zeeshan> he's driving it
[23:11:16] <ssi> yeah you have to
[23:11:17] <zeeshan> i just use a wrench
[23:11:23] <ssi> the black part is two pieces
[23:11:28] <ssi> the B nut spins freely on the stem
[23:11:33] * furrywolf waits for zee to disagree about jic and an
[23:11:38] <ssi> if you didn't have a mandrel there'd be no way to spin the stem in
[23:11:48] <zeeshan> there is silly
[23:11:59] <ssi> not on these fittings
[23:12:01] <zeeshan> just tighten it to a plug fitting
[23:12:01] <zeeshan> :P
[23:12:06] <ssi> well yeah you could do that
[23:12:11] <ssi> same thing really
[23:12:14] <ssi> but the mandrels are nice to have
[23:12:19] <zeeshan> this poor guy
[23:12:21] <zeeshan> is giving his entire force
[23:12:25] <zeeshan> to turn that thing haha
[23:12:29] <ssi> also the mandrel has a shaft that runs all the way through the stem
[23:12:35] <ssi> to keep the stem from crushing
[23:12:39] <zeeshan> ah
[23:12:41] <ssi> and yes, it takes a LOT of force
[23:12:46] <ssi> the stem actually threads into the hose ID
[23:12:55] <furrywolf> mine weren't too hard to get together... greased them well, pushed hard.
[23:13:19] <furrywolf> then flushed the grease and crap out of the finished hose when done
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[23:13:21] <zeeshan> ss
[23:13:26] <zeeshan> aeroquip performance fittings are diff
[23:13:27] <zeeshan> for racing
[23:13:35] <ssi> which fitting number do you use
[23:13:45] <furrywolf> I used -6 for my power steering.
[23:13:50] <ssi> -6 is the size
[23:13:54] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faeroquipperformance.com%2Ffile%2F2767-StartLite%25C2%25AE%2BRacing%2BHose%2Bwith%2BReusable%2BFittings.pdf&ei=AyjhVJr4I4z-yQTS2YGgDg&usg=AFQjCNGx8sl9SCLbnwZCLotpgerZC96o8Q&bvm=bv.85970519,d.aWw&cad=rja
[23:13:56] <zeeshan> see if that opens a pdf
[23:14:03] <zeeshan> look at step 5
[23:14:05] <ssi> ya
[23:14:06] <furrywolf> ok, what do you mean by fitting number, then? :P
[23:14:13] <zeeshan> thats where their fancy thing wrenches come in play
[23:14:18] <furrywolf> http://hosewarehouse.com/190260-6S-SAE-JIC-37-Deg-Swivel-90-Degree-Long-Fitting-100R5-Reusable is the only one I remember the part number of
[23:14:22] <furrywolf> because it was annoying to find.
[23:14:23] <zeeshan> so they got an extra hex
[23:14:26] <zeeshan> fixed to the stem
[23:14:28] <ssi> furrywolf: the ones in that video were 491-4
[23:14:30] <zeeshan> unlike the fittings you posted
[23:14:35] <ssi> aeroquip 491 series, -4 size
[23:14:49] <furrywolf> the "video" is a box saying "please use a different OS with our proprietary software installed".
[23:15:10] <zeeshan> i didnt know you could put jic fittings
[23:15:14] <zeeshan> on sae hose
[23:15:16] <zeeshan> interesting
[23:15:56] <ssi> hm
[23:15:57] <furrywolf> the long 90 is much, much harder to find than the short 90. :)
[23:16:00] <ssi> those teflon racing fittings are kind apricey
[23:16:07] <zeeshan> depends on where you get em
[23:16:08] <zeeshan> ! :P
[23:16:14] <ssi> and that's coming from an airplane guy hahahah
[23:16:18] <furrywolf> lol
[23:16:48] <zeeshan> http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/s.nl/it.A/id.67563/.f?sc=23&category=553478
[23:16:50] <ssi> yea the 816 fittings sorta work the same way as your racing fittings
[23:16:52] <zeeshan> i use "Fragola" performance sometimes
[23:16:54] <zeeshan> theyre made in usa
[23:16:59] <ssi> 491 fittings are much simpler, cheaper, and hold higher pressure I think
[23:17:00] <furrywolf> I used nice fittings for the pressure line, for the return I just used generic chinese AN fitting...
[23:17:28] <furrywolf> hrmm, I probably have a picture of my gearbox around somewhere...
[23:17:42] <zeeshan> http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/aer-fbm1122/overview/
[23:17:47] <zeeshan> 20 bux for the aeroequip brand
[23:17:49] <zeeshan> -6
[23:18:12] <ssi> zeeshan: retail on the 491-6 fitting is $13.50
[23:18:14] <zeeshan> use the straights when you can
[23:18:16] <ssi> and that's for a FAA-PMA part
[23:18:28] <ssi> I pay about $9 with my dealer discount
[23:18:30] <zeeshan> for a 90degree?
[23:18:37] <zeeshan> or straight
[23:18:40] <ssi> they don't come in 90 degree, they're all straight
[23:18:49] <zeeshan> oh straight -6 from aeroequip is 6.97
[23:18:49] <ssi> you'd use a 90 degree AN elbow with it
[23:18:56] <zeeshan> http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/aer-fbm1103/overview/
[23:19:01] <zeeshan> but definitely not faa approved :P
[23:19:04] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an822.php?clickkey=13804
[23:19:15] <zeeshan> yea thats a big no no for car guys
[23:19:16] <zeeshan> haha
[23:19:20] <ssi> btw
[23:19:22] <zeeshan> we like our mandrel 90s!
[23:19:26] <ssi> summit racing is also within 20 minute drive for me
[23:19:35] <zeeshan> i love summit racing
[23:19:37] <zeeshan> they are canada friendly
[23:19:45] <ssi> I went down there and bought four of their fuel jugs last weekend
[23:19:46] <zeeshan> they even do all your customs paper work for you
[23:19:55] <zeeshan> the vp racing fuel jugs?
[23:19:59] <ssi> vp style ones
[23:19:59] <zeeshan> for race fuel?
[23:20:01] <zeeshan> haha nice
[23:20:02] <ssi> but they're summit brand
[23:20:12] <furrywolf> I like my mandrel 90s too. :P
[23:20:13] <ssi> they're great for tankering fuel in the airplane :D
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[23:20:24] <zeeshan> furrywolf: they're pretty!
[23:20:24] <zeeshan> :P
[23:20:37] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B96_gg5IYAA4fne.jpg:large
[23:20:55] <furrywolf> at some point a picture of my gearbox will upload... internet connection sucking today.
[23:20:55] <zeeshan> nice
[23:21:01] <zeeshan> brb
[23:21:15] <ssi> it's been a long time since I bought so much blue gas :P
[23:21:17] <ssi> it's cheap these days
[23:21:17] <furrywolf> or, at least, a picture of a very small part of it, because there's no angle you can see anything more than a little bit of it at once from.
[23:21:55] * furrywolf should have downsampled, but was lazy
[23:22:47] <ssi> oh here we go
[23:22:51] <ssi> stratoflex 680 fittings
[23:22:54] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/strato680.php?clickkey=13804
[23:23:07] <ssi> only $119 for -6 90 degree
[23:23:08] <ssi> :D
[23:23:17] <furrywolf> lol
[23:23:19] <furrywolf> I was annoyed mine cost $15.
[23:23:49] <ssi> I never use stratoflex shit.... the prices are stupid
[23:24:11] <ssi> even their firesleeve costs more than aeroquip
[23:24:25] * furrywolf thinks everything to do with airplanes, boats, or RVs is stupidly overpriced.
[23:24:52] <ssi> with airplanes it's mostly because of the damn PMA regs
[23:24:58] <ssi> cost of certification is a big part of it
[23:25:17] <jack16> so, today made first presentable piece. I like it!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ut1h8in1n3m7ibj/IMG_20150216_022143.jpg?dl=0
[23:25:29] <ssi> we were talking about that today; the -6 I 've been flying has a SPRL fuel valve in it
[23:25:35] <ssi> and it's the "cheap" option, at $160
[23:25:36] <furrywolf> and not all to do with "because our customers obviously have too much money", like the other two? :P
[23:25:41] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sprlfuelvalves.php?clickkey=9216
[23:25:53] <ssi> I have the andair valve for mine
[23:25:53] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/fs20tYPE4.php?clickkey=9216
[23:25:59] <ssi> which is "expensive" at $280
[23:26:04] <ssi> but it's WORTH the extra 50%
[23:26:47] <ssi> andair is a small company making bespoke airplane parts, and I know what goes into making small runs of custom parts like that
[23:26:47] <furrywolf> STILL uploading a 2mb image...
[23:26:56] <ssi> so I don't gripe too much about prices on things like that
[23:27:46] <furrywolf> except you can buy an automotive fuel valve for $10... sure the aerospace version is going to be a bit better, but is it 28 times better? heh
[23:28:00] <ssi> yes.
[23:28:14] <furrywolf> and rather than a small run subject to inter-batch tolerances and such, they're produced by a machine by the million, and will all work.
[23:28:19] <ssi> http://www.jmsonline.net/moeller-4-way-shut-off-valve-moe-03330410.htm?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CLvn7JSN5cMCFVQ2gQod_mwAdA
[23:28:24] <ssi> that's the valve that vans supplies with the kits
[23:28:58] <ssi> if you're the kind of person who will spend 5-10 years and >$80,000 building an airplane
[23:29:02] <ssi> and cheap out on a fuel valve like that
[23:29:12] <ssi> then you deserve what you end up with :)
[23:29:14] <furrywolf> no load. and I don't think it's my connection.
[23:29:33] <ssi> http://www.starmarinedepot.com/moeller-brass-four-way-valve/pzz5385.html?gclid=COfjjLuN5cMCFS1o7Aod9gsAvQ
[23:29:36] <ssi> try that one
[23:30:16] <furrywolf> lol, I have a couple of those. except I didn't get them from a marine place, so they were a third the cost. :P
[23:30:32] <ssi> well I have a couple of them as well, and I didn't pay anything for them
[23:30:37] <furrywolf> I also have the version with 6 fittings.
[23:30:40] <ssi> but I'm not putting them in a $120,000 airplane
[23:30:50] <ssi> http://www.europa.com/~swayze/RV-7A/Fuselage/100_7788%20(Small).JPG
[23:31:03] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Suabru%20PS%2002.jpg fittings on my gearbox. finally!
[23:31:09] <ssi> http://www.europa.com/~swayze/RV-7A/Fuselage/100_7375%20(Small).JPG
[23:31:11] <ssi> looks so much better
[23:31:18] <ssi> feels better, positive actuation with stops
[23:32:24] <furrywolf> see, I don't have $120k to spend on anything, much less transportation.
[23:33:21] <ssi> me either
[23:33:27] <ssi> that's why I built it, $6000 at a time :P
[23:34:03] <furrywolf> if I ever have an aircraft, it'll probably be because I pirated a copy of the ch 701 skyjeep blueprints and built it from scrap metal.
[23:34:18] <ssi> "scrap metal"?
[23:34:31] <furrywolf> ... metal found at the local scrapyard
[23:34:39] <ssi> god help us all :P
[23:35:15] <ssi> btw the metal is the cheapest part by a long sho
[23:35:29] <furrywolf> http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7drawings.html you can buy just the plans. :P
[23:35:34] <ssi> I'm aware
[23:36:13] <ssi> it's really not hard
[23:36:34] <ssi> and if your scrapyard has 2024-t3 alclad in the approprate thicknesses and big enough, I guess have at it
[23:36:35] <XXCoder1> design for plane??
[23:36:56] <furrywolf> and, fortunately, due to their shape, power/weight, and reliability, subaru motors are quite popular for DIY aircraft... and I can work with one with my eyes closed. heh.
[23:37:05] <ssi> ugh don't do a subaru
[23:37:12] <ssi> the plane I was flying today used to be a subaru
[23:37:20] <ssi> til it failed and went down in a field
[23:37:28] <ssi> and was sold for next to nothing, and rebuilt with a proper engine
[23:37:36] <XXCoder1> planes. dang you guys is rich
[23:37:42] <furrywolf> mechanical failure, or user error, like keeping the automotive electronic ignition? heh
[23:37:45] <ssi> it costs more to do a subaru than a lycoming
[23:37:49] <ssi> mechanical failure
[23:37:52] <ssi> PSRU failure
[23:38:11] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: read the whole conversation. like the bit about how if I ever have a plane, it'd need to be built from scrap metal and car parts.
[23:38:24] <ssi> it was FORTY KNOTS slower with the subie than it is with a 150hp lycoming
[23:38:31] <ssi> had holes in the bottoms of the wings for radiators
[23:38:32] <XXCoder1> ahh
[23:38:47] <ssi> a PSRU for a subaru installation costs more than a used lycoming
[23:38:49] <ssi> just don't do it :P
[23:38:54] <furrywolf> psru? as in a prop gearbox, not the engine itself?
[23:38:58] <ssi> correct
[23:39:05] <furrywolf> ... so nothing made by subaru failed, then. :P
[23:39:28] <ssi> and that changes the situation how, exactly?
[23:39:36] <furrywolf> don't blame subaru. :)
[23:39:41] <ssi> I'm not blaming subaru
[23:39:55] <ssi> I'm blaming people who insist on using subarus in aircraft installations :P
[23:40:11] <XXCoder1> onder if can build plane with lathe and mill lol
[23:40:16] <furrywolf> well, people have put them in the ch701, and reported good performance...
[23:40:22] <ssi> XXCoder1: you can build a plane with tinsnips and a file
[23:40:29] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: and an air rivet gun.
[23:40:37] <XXCoder1> lols ok
[23:40:50] <ssi> most builders actually don't have machine tools
[23:41:08] <furrywolf> an air nibbler will probably make your life much better too.
[23:41:47] <XXCoder1> I always wanted to fly a plane
[23:41:52] <XXCoder1> just once or something
[23:41:54] <ssi> so do it
[23:42:03] <XXCoder1> nah cant
[23:42:06] <ssi> why not
[23:42:10] <XXCoder1> I cant talk by radio
[23:42:14] <furrywolf> "just once" takes, what, $45k? :P
[23:42:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Fuck a plane, get a squirrel suit!
[23:42:22] <ssi> what do you mean?
[23:42:24] <XXCoder1> and money yes lol
[23:42:29] <ssi> what city are you in?
[23:42:32] <XXCoder1> ssi: I has no spoken native language
[23:42:48] <XXCoder1> my spoken language is "none of the above"
[23:42:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Well, if it's JUST ONCE, that are alternative options available.
[23:42:57] <ssi> that shouldn't be an issue for "just once"
[23:42:59] <Jymmm> there*
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[23:43:06] <ssi> what city are you in
[23:43:15] <XXCoder1> yeah would have to have someone else start fly then I take over for a bit
[23:43:21] <furrywolf> I really like the ch701's sub-100ft takeoff... and that building it is easy, as no metal needs to be bent in more than one direction. :)
[23:43:21] <XXCoder1> but money still a issue
[23:43:40] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: ever seen bush plane?
[23:43:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: takeoff/flying is easy it's landing that's a bitch =)
[23:43:54] <XXCoder1> it could literally land ontiny strip on hill and fly off
[23:44:10] <ssi> XXCoder1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQP-H_31JQ
[23:44:14] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13NubUmsBXk
[23:44:15] <ssi> one of my favorites
[23:44:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: But you said JUST ONCE, you never said anything about landing
[23:44:48] <furrywolf> heh, they point out that just because you stuff in a larger engine, doesn't mean the Vne goes up. I wonder how many people forget that? :)
[23:45:17] <XXCoder1> ssi looking
[23:45:21] <ssi> furrywolf: not only that
[23:45:26] <ssi> Vne is in true airspeed
[23:45:28] <ssi> and most people don't know that
[23:45:41] <ssi> because it's marked on an airspeed indicator, people assume it's in indicated airspeed
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[23:45:50] <ssi> most airplanes can't fly high enough and/or fast enough to make that an issue
[23:45:54] <ssi> but a lot of experimentals can
[23:46:03] <ssi> and people blow through vne without realizing it
[23:46:22] <furrywolf> that would seem logical... and the only airspeed calibration cable I've seen was only a couple knots...
[23:46:52] <DaViruz> that deadstick takeoff seems a tad.. suicidal
[23:46:57] <ssi> true diverges from inidicated with decreased density
[23:47:01] <ssi> ie altitude
[23:47:05] <XXCoder1> DaViruz: did you see my video?
[23:47:08] <XXCoder1> pretty nasty
[23:47:13] <ssi> DaViruz: it's awesome!
[23:47:14] <XXCoder1> theres lots bush pilot stuff
[23:47:35] <DaViruz> ssi: sure, suicidal and awesome aren't mutually exclucive.. :)
[23:47:39] <furrywolf> I don't recall the absolute ceiling of the 701, but I'd bet it's pretty low. heh.
[23:47:48] <ssi> yea it's pretty low
[23:47:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: just toss a flar into the fuel tank, no need to deal with landing then.
[23:47:55] <ssi> this is more in the context of RVs
[23:48:03] <ssi> service ceiling on a 200hp RV is like 26,000
[23:48:09] <ssi> Vne is 200kt
[23:48:40] <ssi> but at 18,000', 150kt indicated is 204kt true
[23:48:42] <ssi> ie over Vne
[23:49:13] <ssi> calibrated airspeed corrects for installation and angle of attack errors
[23:49:27] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPhhFPTWq4k ending bit scary
[23:49:30] <ssi> for instance, the RV6 I was flying today has a weird pitot installation
[23:49:38] <ssi> was doing slow flight today, and it was flying indicating BELOW 0kt
[23:49:40] <furrywolf> hrmm, I didn't realize indicated and true differed by that much. static-pitot sucks more than I thought. :)
[23:49:50] <ssi> it's not pitot-static's fault
[23:49:59] <ssi> it's the fact that at 18k the air density is reduced by half
[23:50:00] <DaViruz> ssi: you must've put it in reverse accidentally
[23:50:11] <ssi> true airspeed is the speed that air molecules are traveling past the wing
[23:50:18] <ssi> indicated airspeed is dynamic pressure
[23:50:23] <ssi> which depends on density
[23:50:31] <ssi> DaViruz: heheh
[23:50:37] <ssi> gps was showing 38kt ground speed
[23:50:42] <furrywolf> probably put your static port somewhere that wasn't static... or your pitot iced up.
[23:50:45] <ssi> but at that high angle of attack, the pitot is pointing more up than forward
[23:51:02] <ssi> THAT is what calibrated airspeed is for
[23:51:03] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZTzQrz014 more extreme
[23:51:12] <ssi> convert KIAS to KCAS, then convert KCAS to KTAS
[23:51:28] <furrywolf> if I remember right, pitot icing will show as decreasing/negative airspeed as you descend...
[23:51:37] <ssi> in normal flight regimes KIAS and KCAS are very close for reasonable installations
[23:51:49] <ssi> pitot icing can do all kinds of crazy shit
[23:51:52] <ssi> normally it'll actually go up
[23:52:39] <ssi> I had water in my pitot in the cherokee the other day after a kid washed it for me, and it was showing 50kt on the ground
[23:52:42] <ssi> stationary
[23:53:33] <ssi> http://jdfinley.com/what-happened-to-the-subaru-aircraft-engine/
[23:53:50] <furrywolf> what did the kid do, aim the hose in it? normal water should drain out, that sounds like water stuck in a loop in the tubing.
[23:53:53] <XXCoder1> ssi: did you see my recent loink lol
[23:54:08] <ssi> watching now
[23:54:55] <ssi> same guy as the other vid heh
[23:55:12] <XXCoder1> one lanbding on river to bank?
[23:55:17] <ssi> ya
[23:55:21] <XXCoder1> ahh cool
[23:55:51] <ssi> if you like stol stuff, these are pretty cool
[23:55:51] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZouzzfZcrg
[23:55:59] <XXCoder1> looking
[23:56:32] <XXCoder1> sigh youtube center is bit buggy
[23:56:39] <zeeshan> random q
[23:56:41] <zeeshan> what do you guys eat?
[23:56:44] <zeeshan> :-)
[23:56:46] <zeeshan> i need some food ideas
[23:56:57] <XXCoder1> soylent for breakfast and whatever my sis in law cooks for dinner
[23:57:02] <ssi> zeeshan: small knowitall mechanical engineers
[23:57:08] <zeeshan> lol
[23:57:25] <ssi> I brought a frozen chicken pot pie to work with me :P
[23:58:39] <furrywolf> zeeshan: curry!
[23:59:09] <ssi> the guy that owns the RV6 I've been flying this week wants me to buy it from him
[23:59:17] <zeeshan> lol
[23:59:19] <ssi> said he'll give it to me for what he's got in it, which is $33k
[23:59:24] <zeeshan> you guys suck at cooking
[23:59:28] <ssi> it's tempting
[23:59:33] <zeeshan> until i see a cnc cooker
[23:59:33] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9gMdjZIQAAlRQ0.jpg:large
[23:59:34] <zeeshan> i wont be impressed
[23:59:35] <XXCoder1> cnc cooker
[23:59:41] <ssi> zeeshan: have you seen the food 3d printers?
[23:59:46] <furrywolf> curry is possibly the best food in existance.
[23:59:47] <zeeshan> haha yea
[23:59:49] <zeeshan> but its not the same
[23:59:51] <zeeshan> i want one to make lasagne for me
[23:59:57] <renesis> yellow curry sucks
[23:59:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im brown
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