#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-12

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[00:03:58] <_methods> hah that nixie tube clock is brilliant
[00:04:00] <_methods> nice work
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[00:06:06] <Rab> _methods, thanks!
[00:06:49] <_methods> no thank you
[00:06:52] <_methods> good stuff
[00:07:32] <Rab> If the router had been working back when I did the clock, I wouldn't have had to use hand tools.
[00:07:53] <_methods> indeed
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[00:08:48] <_methods> hah love the lamp and the desk
[00:08:51] <_methods> is that a steel case
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[00:10:18] <_methods> hehe i should be drawing up my damn bearing blocks but i'm pervin your site
[00:11:00] <Rab> _methods, yeah, steelcase desk.
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[00:11:13] <_methods> i love my steelcase
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[00:11:28] <_methods> it's a bit cluttered at the moment lol
[00:11:43] <Rab> I got a pair for $30 at gov't auction like 20 years ago...now they go for hundreds on CL. It's crazy.
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[00:11:56] <_methods> yeah
[00:12:05] <_methods> i need a damn matching chair
[00:12:12] <_methods> the chair is next to impossible to find
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[00:13:50] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c9h1rkbyvx5f108/2015-02-11%2019.12.46.jpg?dl=0
[00:13:57] <_methods> it's a tad messy at the moment lol
[00:15:30] <Rab> _methods, here's a bearing block to inspire you to do better: http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/zpbbottom.jpg
[00:15:46] <_methods> ahh fun
[00:15:51] <Rab> Hole saw and hacksaw. ^_^
[00:16:07] <_methods> oh lawxc
[00:16:30] <_methods> i have a waterjet for stuff like that lol
[00:20:22] <_methods> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/ymount.jpg
[00:20:36] <_methods> is that a technics in the background?
[00:20:48] <MacGalempsy> having a problem getting v 2.6.0 to accept my password
[00:20:48] <_methods> sl-1200?
[00:20:53] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts?
[00:23:06] <Rab> _methods, I doubt it, but I'm not sure. That's at my friend's house.
[00:23:25] <_methods> ah
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[00:46:32] <renesis> _methods: i dont think so, on 1200s the aluminum top comes down maybe 1/2" before the heavy rubber base
[00:46:45] <renesis> also the sides look shiny, not like dull rubber
[00:47:10] <renesis> also the bottom has a giant chamfer instead of a bigass radius
[00:47:53] <_methods> i just saw turntable lol
[00:48:01] <_methods> looked kinda like a 1200
[00:48:28] <renesis> good money in making things look like 1200s
[00:49:25] <renesis> turntable i want looks like a 1200, but has 72rpm mode, can pitch up to 20% and has reset, also built in RIAA pre, also usb interface, also like 1/4 the cost
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[00:53:07] <_methods> what table is this?
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[00:56:29] <renesis> http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/583f30b3a8662772/
[00:57:13] <renesis> blatant 1200 clone
[00:57:17] <_methods> wow only $300
[00:57:27] <renesis> think theyre less at sweetwater
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[00:57:53] <renesis> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/665946-REG/Audio_Technica_AT_LP120USB_AT_LP120USB_Direct_Drive_Professional.html
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[00:58:23] <renesis> so $500 for a set, instead of like $2000 or whatever the fuck someones want to charge for a good 1200
[00:58:40] <_methods> yeah
[00:59:07] <_methods> hang out at some clubs you'll find some pill junkie that will dump them for $300 lol
[00:59:10] <fluffybitchx> got Y and Z moving under software control. With steppers, 10tpi plain leadscrews, and 2:1 belt reduction, let's just say the machine is not going to win any speed awards. also learned that if you crash Z, it rips the bushes out of the worm gear mechanism. And learned that Y binding is indeed a slightly bent leadscews.
[00:59:19] <fluffybitchx> s/scews/screw
[01:00:03] <renesis> im hungry
[01:01:46] <fluffybitchx> I could get 1.7 in/second, but it wasn't as reliable as I'd like. set it to a nice safe 1 in/sec.
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[01:02:12] <fluffybitchx> I could get even faster if I cranked the acceleration way down, but I suspect the result on an actual part would be slower.
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[01:04:49] <fluffybitchx> I cranked the bushes on the Z wormdrive down tighter, but I suspect they'll still be ejected if I run it all the way to a stop again. it needs limit switches, or maybe backing the drive current way down.
[01:05:15] <fluffybitchx> it's a weird design, placing too much stress on parts held in with a simple grub screw.
[01:07:12] <fluffybitchx> and Y... there's definitely a couple thous wobble on the leadscrew. I probably just need to find the high spot, stick some soft aluminum in there for protection, and give it a good adjusting with a crowbar.
[01:07:45] <fluffybitchx> I couldn't see the wobble while hand-cranking it, as it was lost in all the other wobbling from hand-cranking, but it's quite obvious when motor driven.
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[01:17:12] <MacGalempsy_> is anyone running the new debian 2.6.0?
[01:17:38] <Tom_itx> i have it on a test ssd
[01:17:56] <Tom_itx> but i'm actually using 2.6 on lucid
[01:18:01] <fluffybitchx> bah, no barge landing.
[01:18:53] <skunkworks> MacGalempsy_: the new livecd (wheezy) requires you to enter the username - then the password
[01:20:13] <fluffybitchx> bbl, work
[01:20:48] <Tom_itx> skunkworks can you set it for no login?
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[01:21:02] <skunkworks> I don't know.
[01:21:14] <Tom_itx> err actually i think i did that..
[01:21:27] <Tom_itx> been a while since i had the ssd hooked up
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[01:23:14] <Guest77326> will linuxcnc work with mintlinux17 (it's LTS)
[01:23:54] <_methods> is mint linux?
[01:23:56] <_methods> lol
[01:24:01] <XXCoder> it is
[01:24:04] <Guest77326> yep
[01:24:05] <XXCoder> offshoot of ubuntu
[01:24:12] <_methods> i was being sarcastic
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[01:24:14] <XXCoder> dunno if it has rtos though
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[01:25:21] <MacGalempsy_> ok/
[01:25:25] <MacGalempsy_> thanks skunkworks
[01:26:20] <MacGalempsy_> skunkworks: all it says is password
[01:26:27] <Guest77326> good one too... I use mint 17 and xfce...
[01:26:52] <XXCoder> Guest77326: the new xfce?
[01:27:11] <Guest77326> been a computer nut for years, and mint 17 with xfce is the best I know of
[01:27:14] <_methods> why not just use xubuntu then?
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[01:27:25] <MacGalempsy_> is there something different that happens when I INSTALL (GRAPHICAL)?
[01:27:42] <Guest77326> cause, this is better.... kinda like debian vs ubuntu
[01:28:29] <Guest77326> so, ubuntu vs mint. tri it... you'll like it
[01:29:17] <skunkworks> MacGalempsy_: did you accidenlty not enter the username first? hit cancel and it should first ask you for a username.
[01:30:03] <Guest77326> tried to run red hat... back when there was NOTHING automatic. Finally got it to run by using turbo linux, which was an improver red hat
[01:30:25] <MacGalempsy_> oh, ok. im a linux idiot
[01:30:39] <_methods> i made the mistake of starting with slack
[01:30:46] <_methods> took me like 3 days to get my keyboard to work
[01:30:58] <XXCoder> it slacked off
[01:31:00] <XXCoder> thats why
[01:31:11] <_methods> i think it was mostly operator error
[01:31:18] <XXCoder> and wtf keyboard? something like network card sure but..
[01:31:19] <_methods> or slack hated my keyboard and me
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[01:31:22] <Guest77326> hey, just download the iso for mint 17 with xfce. Most computer reviewers now rate it ahead of microsoft.
[01:31:28] * zeeshan needs enclosure for machine
[01:31:30] <_methods> it was x11 fun
[01:31:34] <zeeshan> so i can do some high speed machining!
[01:32:09] <XXCoder> Guest77326: did you hear this, first new xfce version since 2 1/2 years ago
[01:32:24] <skunkworks> even slow speed machining is a pain without an enclosure if you use coolant
[01:32:29] * skunkworks knows
[01:32:42] <zeeshan> haha
[01:32:45] <PetefromTn_> LOL I hear htat..
[01:32:58] <PetefromTn_> I would build a nice table enclosure for that baby..
[01:33:00] <_methods> rainsuit
[01:33:07] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7446/16320069197_f139614de5_z.jpg
[01:33:12] <zeeshan> i kinda wish i made it have ears
[01:33:14] <skunkworks> shower curtain
[01:33:15] <zeeshan> like mini mouse :/
[01:33:24] <zeeshan> i have a table enclosure
[01:33:29] <zeeshan> but its kinda lame
[01:33:37] <zeeshan> cause it has no front door thingy
[01:33:41] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were making an oval pocket in a plate
[01:33:52] <zeeshan> no :P
[01:33:53] <skunkworks> zeeshan: did you get your Z figured out?
[01:34:03] <zeeshan> skunkworks: yes
[01:34:08] <skunkworks> what was it?
[01:34:15] <zeeshan> pcw told me to move pwoer from l2 to l1
[01:34:19] <zeeshan> and that seems to have fixed it
[01:34:33] <skunkworks> huh. I don't know what that means..
[01:34:38] <zeeshan> i have 240 single phase
[01:34:50] <skunkworks> right - those drives take 3 phase?
[01:34:50] <zeeshan> each leg to netural is 120v
[01:34:53] <zeeshan> no
[01:34:56] <skunkworks> oh
[01:34:57] <zeeshan> they're single phase drives
[01:35:04] <zeeshan> pcw's logic was there is a transient overvoltage
[01:35:06] <zeeshan> which blows it
[01:35:16] <skunkworks> huh - cool
[01:35:32] <zeeshan> are you using the 3 phase drives
[01:35:33] <zeeshan> or single?
[01:35:58] <zeeshan> or non builtin power supply ones
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[01:36:35] <skunkworks> we have b40a40ac - 3phase in
[01:36:42] <zeeshan> ah
[01:36:49] <skunkworks> they are nice
[01:37:30] <zeeshan> i dont feel like they're industrial quality
[01:37:41] <zeeshan> like i dont want to be negative
[01:37:58] <zeeshan> but like if you look at their fault protection
[01:37:59] <zeeshan> it self rests
[01:38:01] <zeeshan> *resets
[01:38:07] <zeeshan> what kind of nonsense is that?
[01:38:15] <zeeshan> you could have an intermittent short in the motor
[01:38:20] <zeeshan> and it'll keep self reseting
[01:38:28] <zeeshan> till the drive or the motor blows up
[01:39:19] <skunkworks> I am sure they have issues.. But they make a butt ton of drives
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[01:39:31] <skunkworks> they are everywhere
[01:40:54] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RrTkzmmS8g
[01:40:56] <zeeshan> video of the action
[01:40:56] <zeeshan> :)
[01:41:58] * zeeshan is brushing like a mad man
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[01:43:53] <_methods> right on man
[01:44:06] <MacGalempsy> hey, what do you know?! when you get the login and password right, it lets you right in! lol
[01:44:14] <_methods> hahah
[01:44:25] <_methods> did you change the password on yourself
[01:44:34] <_methods> it's hell being the administrator
[01:44:35] <_methods> damn users
[01:44:41] <_methods> heheh
[01:45:55] <MacGalempsy> the dumb part is that you HAVE to enter a password
[01:46:07] <_methods> it's for your own good lol
[01:48:22] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan congrats man that looks great!
[01:49:47] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: totally jealous here. mine only moves
[01:49:51] <MacGalempsy> no spinning yet
[01:50:09] <MacGalempsy> well, it did with 2.5. but I just got logged into 2.6
[01:53:38] <Connor> zeeshan: You got it running!
[01:54:03] <Connor> What type of end mill holder did it end up being ?
[01:54:16] <zeeshan> it uses ott groove pull studs
[01:54:18] <zeeshan> but im not using them
[01:54:22] <zeeshan> just using a manual drawbar
[01:54:27] <Connor> and... Dude.. get a REAL brush. :)
[01:54:41] <zeeshan> i like acid brushes! :P
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[01:54:53] <Connor> ott groove ? never heard of it..
[01:55:41] <zeeshan> european holder
[01:55:44] <zeeshan> from the 1980s
[01:55:47] <Connor> Ick.
[01:55:51] <Connor> Can you convert it ?
[01:55:58] <zeeshan> yea i use mari tool pull studs
[01:56:00] <zeeshan> to convert to cat40
[01:56:11] <zeeshan> i wish i had money to fix that drawbar
[01:56:17] <zeeshan> its gonna cost like 800$ in rebuild parts
[01:56:23] <zeeshan> while is crazy.
[01:56:24] <Connor> What's wrong with it ?
[01:56:29] <zeeshan> it doesnt pull hard enough
[01:56:33] <zeeshan> only pulling with like 300-400lb of force
[01:56:39] <zeeshan> when its supposed to pull at 3300lb..
[01:57:19] <Connor> belleville springs bad?
[01:57:25] <zeeshan> no idea
[01:57:31] <zeeshan> this drawbar is retarded
[01:57:36] <zeeshan> they are inside the damn hydraulic cylinder.
[01:57:43] <zeeshan> so you cant even inspect them without taking it all apart
[01:58:15] <zeeshan> did you see pics of it?
[01:58:20] <Connor> no
[01:58:24] <Connor> just watched your video
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[01:58:46] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16411520752/
[01:59:01] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16412452475/in/photostream/
[01:59:05] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16406155082/in/photostream/
[01:59:08] <zeeshan> that grabs onto the tool
[02:00:26] <Connor> That is a bit strange.
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[02:00:56] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DECKEL-FP3-HYDRAULIC-DRAW-BAR-/201283259626?
[02:01:03] <zeeshan> i honestly thought it'd look like that..
[02:01:05] <zeeshan> which makes more sense.
[02:01:28] <zeeshan> i thought maybne someone took out the spring packs
[02:01:39] <zeeshan> but i looked at the original drawings, and they dont have em like that
[02:02:02] <zeeshan> brb gotta fix the thermostiatc valve.. again!
[02:02:03] <Connor> Could it be held by the hydro ?
[02:02:25] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[02:02:28] <zeeshan> oh
[02:02:34] <zeeshan> hydro only releases the tool
[02:02:42] <zeeshan> brb
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[02:08:04] <PetefromTn_> that all looks to be in pretty good shape really
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[02:09:36] <PetefromTn_> I would just disassemble the cylinder and inspect it to see what the problem is... it is probably something simple that you could either replace the part or possibly even fabricate a new one..
[02:11:30] <Guest77326> sounds like bad pump, or a leaking relief valve
[02:11:43] <PetefromTn_> Well I delivered the parts I just made to my customer and the seemed very happy with them LOL
[02:11:51] <Guest77326> hook up a pressure gauge
[02:11:59] <PetefromTn_> agreed it could easily be something stupid like that.
[02:12:17] <PetefromTn_> but it IS apparently belleville driven hold in.
[02:12:36] <PetefromTn_> so the hydraulics only serve to release the tool.
[02:12:42] <Guest77326> don't knowthe system
[02:12:43] <PetefromTn_> which is as it should be
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[02:13:45] <PetefromTn_> you cannot really safely rely on hydro to hold the tool in during the cut in case of pressure loss or whatever most mills use some sort of bellevilles spring packs to hold the pullstud in
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[02:16:09] <PetefromTn_> well now that those parts are finished I am in the unenviable position of having nothing to machine again sigh...
[02:16:46] <PetefromTn_> so I am going to continue to work on the CNC lathe and maybe do some more tweaking on the mill possibly trying to get the spindle orient working here..
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[02:20:32] <PetefromTn_> just watching the movie Brick Mansions and there is some pretty cool free running scenes in there
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[02:24:22] <tjtr33> PCW, hello, did you get to try the ethernet mesa cars on a laptop?
[02:25:52] <tjtr33> i just got an old Thinkpad up on latest live image ( well installed now ) and 12455 jitter now with loads running ( no youtube, but mp3 ogv 4 glxgears etc for a few hours)
[02:27:03] <skunkworks> tjtr33: try the -rt kernel
[02:27:16] <skunkworks> (you would need to run that to run the ethernet boards
[02:27:17] <skunkworks> )
[02:27:30] <tjtr33> thx skunkworks , will look how to do that
[02:27:50] <skunkworks> you can get it from the synaptic package manager (assuming your using wheezy)
[02:27:51] <tjtr33> (scrolls back to yesterdays discussion )
[02:28:11] <skunkworks> 686 pae rt something something
[02:28:16] <tjtr33> heh i must have an open synaptic on one these desktops
[02:28:36] <skunkworks> update manager will lock it too
[02:28:42] <skunkworks> or apt-get
[02:30:45] <tjtr33> i see rtai
[02:31:57] <MacGalempsy_> well my latency test is 1037476 max servo and 40356 max jitter. I understand the results may be bet the fastest, but should this suffice for getting things up and going?
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[02:32:25] <MacGalempsy_> * may not be
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[02:34:53] <tjtr33> skunkworks, wait arent i runing a realtime kernel if i install the live cd? uname -r shows 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae
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[02:37:33] <skunkworks> that is rtai - you want rt preempt
[02:38:39] <tjtr33> linux-image-rt-686-pae thx!
[02:38:51] <tjtr33> bbl off to store
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[02:44:21] <fluffybitchx> what terms would I search for to find aluminum boxes? I've always called them alarm boxes, but that doesn't seem to find anything.
[02:46:08] <Tom_itx> skunkworks the ethernet boards only work on the -rt kernel?
[02:46:46] <micges> Tom_itx: for now yes
[02:46:51] <Tom_itx> hmm
[02:47:00] <Tom_itx> does mesaflash work on ethernet?
[02:47:27] <micges> you mean on ethernet boards?
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[02:47:28] <fluffybitchx> ... what the fuck? ebay now hides the item description unless you click a button, which then uses javascript to show the description clipped to an unscrollable lightbox-style box?
[02:47:29] <Tom_itx> yes
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[02:47:42] <Tom_itx> i assume the interface would be ethernet
[02:47:59] * fluffybitchx wants a 7i76e, but can't afford it
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[02:48:12] <jdh> there are kidney trade inprograms
[02:48:18] <fluffybitchx> and now that I know my mill is slow as shit and the y leadscrew is bent too, I'm even less inclined to spend money on it.
[02:48:31] <micges> mesaflash works with all mesa pci/eth/lpt boards
[02:49:21] <Connor> PetefromTn_: We still have my X Axis ballnut mount to make.. and the extension block and other stuff. :)
[02:51:03] <Tom_itx> nice
[02:51:04] <PetefromTn_> Connor yeah and WE have a spindle orient and toolchanger to get working hehehe
[02:51:26] <micges> fluffybitchx: waterjet on 7i76e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-ZH-gYd7w
[02:51:32] <Tom_itx> micges, what was that sserial part you were working on recently?
[02:51:40] <Tom_itx> anything i should update to?
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[02:51:59] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yup! :)
[02:52:05] <micges> just more detail information about sserial
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[02:52:20] <PetefromTn_> well you know where I live man...
[02:52:21] <Tom_itx> i might take a peek
[02:52:29] <XXCoder> and pee
[02:52:37] <XXCoder> and pe
[02:52:40] <XXCoder> :P
[02:52:42] <Tom_itx> Connor did you see i've pretty well gotten the code for the C6 ready to go?
[02:52:56] <Tom_itx> just waiting for the isolation board
[02:53:06] <PetefromTn_> I thought the 7i76 was a stepper control card?
[02:53:14] <micges> Tom_itx: slowly working on organising it to simmilar way as pinfiles
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[02:53:21] <Tom_itx> nice
[02:54:42] <micges> everything is stopped becouse I need to finish adding limited jerk planner to lcnc/mk
[02:55:23] <fluffybitchx> gah. I have no idea how ebay decided anything this utterly stupid was a good idea.
[02:56:44] <PetefromTn_> please Lord get fluffywhatshisname a better internet connection so we don't have to hear him whine every day about websites and how slow his stuff is....
[02:57:05] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: this has nothing to do with slowness. it has to do with utter idiocy.
[02:57:33] <fluffybitchx> ebay has now decided that when you click on a listing, all you will see is the images, price, and useless "item specifics" usually pre-filled from the wrong item. The sellers actual description won't be shown.
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[02:58:17] <_methods> looks the same as usual to me........
[02:58:23] <fluffybitchx> Useful things like what the item it is, what's included, the seller's terms, etc... all gone.
[02:58:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just opened my own ads and they look the same to me too..
[02:59:03] <PetefromTn_> opened a few other ones just to check.. yup same same
[02:59:10] <fluffybitchx> I probably got stuck in some beta program.
[02:59:21] <roycroft> exept the ebay i go to shows me the seller's description just fine
[02:59:32] <Tom_itx> micges does the mk code parallel lcnc or is it quite a bit different?
[02:59:34] <roycroft> except, that is
[02:59:35] <fluffybitchx> I'll take a screenshot of what all listings now look like.
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[03:00:34] <Connor> Tom_itx: No. I didn't. How's it working ?
[03:00:48] <Tom_itx> well i'm waiting on hardware but the code looks good
[03:01:13] <Tom_itx> i added a delay so the inhibit to the drive will kick before the fwd/rev relays kick
[03:01:13] <micges> Tom_itx: hal drivers/mesa drivers are still 99.9% same code
[03:01:49] <Tom_itx> i think that kinda started at the fest in wichita didn't it?
[03:01:50] <_methods> need to find a cheap broach set
[03:02:08] <Tom_itx> the 2 branches that is..
[03:02:32] <micges> Tom_itx: most differencies are at kernels supports and guis
[03:02:54] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/ebaywtf01.png http://fw.bushytails.net/ebaywtf02.png all listings are now like that, with the useful stuff hidden.
[03:02:56] <Tom_itx> i haven't looked at mk
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[03:05:24] <fluffybitchx> I can't even imagine what compelled them to do something so obnoxious... they running short on money and deciding to save bandwidth fees?
[03:08:25] <tjtr33> any notes on how to measure latency ( w/o latency-test ) ?
[03:08:49] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: wow strange
[03:08:53] <XXCoder> why would they hide
[03:09:35] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: I have absolutely no idea. I can only think they're trying to save bandwidth, and possibly further their transformation into a marketplace for new products, all identical...
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[03:10:01] <tjb1> evening fellas
[03:10:02] <XXCoder> "The Product" that everyone and nobody needs!
[03:10:20] <PetefromTn_> tjb1 evening
[03:10:35] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: What are those things you had a picture of yesterday?
[03:10:55] <PetefromTn_> the parts I made?
[03:11:02] <fluffybitchx> in addition to being fucking annoying, it's going to result in people buying things without reading the item description, and returns, paypal claims, etc, etc...
[03:11:11] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: yes
[03:12:03] <PetefromTn_> they are a lower intake manifold cover for a mazda engine that allows the tuner guys to work on the motor without worrying about getting debris falling into it . it is just an ornate cover really and a place to advertise thier business
[03:12:09] <roycroft> are you on a mobile defice, fluffybitchx?
[03:12:16] <fluffybitchx> no
[03:12:20] <roycroft> or a device that ebay might think is a mobile device?
[03:12:24] <fluffybitchx> no
[03:12:34] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: nice work
[03:12:39] <PetefromTn_> thanks man..
[03:12:52] <roycroft> perhaps there's a user preference setting that lets you hide the full description by default
[03:12:53] <PetefromTn_> Customer loved em I delivered them earlier today.
[03:12:59] <roycroft> and it accidently got toggled
[03:13:00] <fluffybitchx> I'm on a laptop vpn'ed through my server. the only browser info they get is a current firefox install, and the ip is a hurricane electric colo.
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[03:13:05] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Any sort of finish on them?
[03:13:20] <roycroft> it seems that some here, including myself, see the full description by default
[03:13:32] <roycroft> so i don't think it's a system-wide change that ebay made
[03:13:40] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: perhaps they're trying it on a few people at first to see how pissed off it makes them, to make sure they won't lose too large a percentage of their buyers when they roll it out fully.
[03:13:45] <roycroft> i just did a couple random searches
[03:13:48] <fluffybitchx> ebay always does this with new "improvements".
[03:13:50] <PetefromTn_> well just a brushed aluminum finish really.
[03:14:00] <roycroft> they usually inform folks when they do stuff like that
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[03:15:53] <fluffybitchx> and yet, they've apparantly done it, and I see no mention of informing anyone.
[03:16:20] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Should have done clear powdercoat :)
[03:17:18] <PetefromTn_> well actually I am working on an anodization setup as money permits
[03:17:35] <PetefromTn_> but right now the CNC lathe retrofit is paramount
[03:17:55] <fluffybitchx> http://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Why-do-you-have-to-click-on-a-link-to-see-item-description/qaq-p/23618689 only thing I can find on it, at all.
[03:18:19] <fluffybitchx> forum thread started 40 minutes ago
[03:18:33] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/u9nVgqR.jpg got some free swag when I delivered the parts YAY!!
[03:18:46] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: great I am part of the "beta"
[03:18:56] <roycroft> i can't see an account setting to toggle that
[03:19:12] <roycroft> if they do it to me i'll be on the phone with them immediately, demanding that they restore the correct behavior
[03:19:45] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: on the phone? hope you have four hours to kill! (that's how long it's taken when I've tried calling...)
[03:19:56] <roycroft> i usually get through fairly quickly
[03:20:01] <PetefromTn_> me too
[03:20:06] <roycroft> and i have a speakerphone with a headset, so the wait doesn't bother me
[03:20:22] <PetefromTn_> I have had questions about my ebay sales ads and got thru in like 20 minutes or less
[03:20:26] <tjb1> I had to fight for several hours to get a negative feedback removed for someone who didnt even pay for the item
[03:20:43] <roycroft> i've always had a good relationship with ebay
[03:20:55] <roycroft> perhaps they have you two marked as troublmakers :P
[03:21:05] <fluffybitchx> I had a good relationship with ebay until they decided to cancel my paypal account.
[03:21:19] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I don't like about ebay is their fees ;)
[03:21:26] <tjb1> roycroft: well I did sell digital pictures to get my feedback above 100 when paypal decided they wanted to freeze my account every other week
[03:21:37] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ i agree but do you work for free?
[03:21:37] <fluffybitchx> in order to get my paypal account back, they want copies of, among other things, my social security card, bank statements, and utility bills. I told them not a chance in hell.
[03:22:08] <PetefromTn_> no but their fees are a bit much I think...
[03:22:16] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, it's a necesary evil to get all that cheap chinese crap we like
[03:22:25] <tjb1> Started account in 2008, sold a ps3 and games in like 2011. Paypal account instant froze as soon as funds entered
[03:22:46] <tjb1> That lasted 3 months and then they did it again the next time I sold something
[03:23:02] <PetefromTn_> you mean they held the funds?
[03:23:07] <fluffybitchx> I've been on ebay since... *thinks*... 2001.
[03:23:09] <tjb1> Yes
[03:23:20] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Until positive feedback, confirmed delivery or 30 days
[03:23:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah they do that for new sellers I had my funds held for awhile too
[03:23:26] <tjb1> Almost no one leaves feedback
[03:23:41] <tjb1> I had to call every time after the item was delivered to get funds released
[03:23:45] <roycroft> they hold funds until you have 10 sales that go well
[03:23:46] <PetefromTn_> but the more you sell the less time they hold it..
[03:23:46] <Tom_itx> my only complaint is they ALWAYS settle disputes in favor of the buyer
[03:24:04] <tjb1> The account was 3 years old and had over 10 sales
[03:24:06] <fluffybitchx> a couple years ago they decided my account was suspicious, and killed my paypal account. Despite having 100% positive feedback over 10+ years, not a single buyer claim, etc. despite calling them on the phone repeatedly, waiting for hours, they wouldn't reactivate it until I sent them copies of all the documents they requested.
[03:24:10] <tjb1> As soon as I got above 100 feedback it ended
[03:24:14] <roycroft> if you ship using ebay's shipping center they know the tracking number and they unfreeze the funds a day or so after it's delivered
[03:24:27] <tjb1> roycroft: this was 3-4 years ago
[03:24:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is true too but I usually ship myself.
[03:25:03] <Tom_itx> same here
[03:25:21] <PetefromTn_> hard to find a box I fit in tho :P
[03:25:31] <Tom_itx> har har
[03:25:38] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[03:26:43] <roycroft> i don't think there's anything inherently bad or evil about ebay
[03:26:59] <roycroft> i think people get upset/frustrated because they have unrealistic expectations
[03:27:04] <roycroft> for the most part
[03:27:05] <fluffybitchx> if they haven't gotten rid of it by tomorrow, I'll call them.
[03:27:14] <roycroft> or send them an email
[03:27:23] <fluffybitchx> they no longer give you any way to send an email.
[03:27:24] <roycroft> they are pretty responsive to emails, and you don't have to camp out on hold
[03:27:38] <tjb1> What drives me absolutely crazy is one seller with the same thing listed 8 billion times
[03:28:04] <fluffybitchx> tjb1: which is against their policy, but ebay only enforces policies when they think it costs them money, not when it makes them money.
[03:28:32] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: I don't consider it an unrealistic expectation that the item description should be shown when I click the item listing.
[03:29:18] <fluffybitchx> I've reported several counterfeit/fake products, and NONE of them have been removed. not a single one. ever. even when it's shipping a chinese product in place of the advertised name-brand good, etc.
[03:29:28] <fluffybitchx> if ebay is making money, they don't care about you.
[03:29:56] <roycroft> look at a listing again, fluffybitchx
[03:30:14] <roycroft> right next to the "see full item description" button is a "tell us what you think" link
[03:30:23] <roycroft> don't keep telling *us* what you think - we know what you think
[03:30:27] <roycroft> tell ebay what you think
[03:30:38] <fluffybitchx> yes, and I told them what they think. guess how much ebay is going to care?
[03:30:38] <tjb1> "To see a listing’s full description, you need to click a button. What do you think of this?"
[03:30:42] <tjb1> lol
[03:30:57] <tjb1> Someone took the time to write that and didn't see anything wrong with the idea
[03:31:04] <roycroft> if you tell them, they won't care
[03:31:12] <fluffybitchx> ebay did this for a reason. they probably have, in their minds, a very good reason. and thus, like every other time they screwed their users, they won't care about other reasons.
[03:31:13] <roycroft> if you and a lot of other people tell them, they will care
[03:31:28] <roycroft> there is another option, you know
[03:31:31] <roycroft> stop using ebay
[03:32:09] <fluffybitchx> they got many thousands of complaints (judging from the thousands of forum posts) when they removed all advanced search features, and didn't care then either. I, along with many other people, LIKED wildcard searches, and the other stuff they removed.
[03:32:22] <fluffybitchx> they removed them "to make searching easier".
[03:32:38] <fluffybitchx> too bad ebay put every single other auction service out of business.
[03:32:39] <roycroft> i can still do advanced searches
[03:32:45] <fluffybitchx> I think furbid is still around, and that's about it.
[03:32:46] <roycroft> i do them every day
[03:32:57] <fluffybitchx> you can't still do a wildcard search, or some of the other things they removed.
[03:32:59] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: have you used aliexpress?
[03:33:12] <fluffybitchx> no. I don't buy much chinese crap anymore. sick of throwing it all out.
[03:33:31] <roycroft> i'm starting to think that i use spock's ebay, and you use spock with a beard's ebay
[03:33:41] <fluffybitchx> even when I buy a chinese crap product, I buy it from a US seller, so I get it in 3 days, not 3 weeks, and they can't try to make me send it back to china when it's defective.
[03:33:59] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: my experience with chinese junk is they usually dont want it back
[03:34:05] <roycroft> mine too
[03:34:12] <roycroft> usually they either just send more or refund
[03:34:35] <renesis> heh, working with CM, you tell them to send more and you dont pay for the junk
[03:34:49] <renesis> usually just send pictures back
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[03:35:30] <renesis> usually you get fucked in the end somehow anyway, tho
[03:36:06] <fluffybitchx> I've also found items purchased from US sellers have a much higher chance of actually being the item described in the listing, while chinese sellers seem more than happy to toss an "equivalent", "upgraded", "newer" (I've heard many excuses) item in the box instead.
[03:36:10] <tjb1> renesis: what is CM?
[03:36:17] <renesis> contract manufacturer
[03:36:26] <roycroft> i've been an ebay member since 2001, with hundreds of transactions as both buyer and seller
[03:36:41] <renesis> most chinese junk in america is funded by american companies
[03:36:47] <roycroft> and i've only had two of those go south to the point that i did not get good product or a refund, and never have had problems getting paid as a seller
[03:36:54] <fluffybitchx> same here. 2001, several thousand transactions, was an ebay powerseller for a while...
[03:38:07] <fluffybitchx> I've had lots of cases where I've been screwed by sellers. sometimes I got refunds, sometimes I didn't.
[03:38:19] <fluffybitchx> I've NEVER gotten ebay to penalize a seller selling counterfeit items.
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[03:38:44] <roycroft> i bought some software once that turned out to be counterfeit
[03:38:46] <fluffybitchx> even if they give me a refund, they let the seller go on ripping off everyone else.
[03:39:01] <fluffybitchx> the more items sold, the more money ebay makes. they won't do anything that'll make them less money.
[03:39:05] <Cromaglious> This blows... I can connect to the router at the other end of the building...
[03:39:10] <roycroft> i complained to both ebay and paypal (i paid for it with paypal)
[03:39:11] <Cromaglious> cann
[03:39:11] <fluffybitchx> they'd rather lose you, the buyer, than the seller.
[03:39:19] <roycroft> paypal refunded my money immediately
[03:39:23] <Cromaglious> damn bash completion
[03:39:26] <roycroft> then ebay ordered the seller to refund
[03:39:30] <roycroft> which he did
[03:39:37] <Cromaglious> gotta figure out how to turn it off
[03:39:45] <roycroft> i told them that paypal had already refunded and they said "well just keep it"
[03:39:49] <Tom_itx> good thing this is #linuxcnc and not #rag-on-ebay
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[03:39:58] <roycroft> i figured that was good enough punishment for the seller :)
[03:39:59] <tjb1> heh
[03:40:08] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx seriously
[03:40:27] <fluffybitchx> I bought some cordless drills that never showed up, ebay wouldn't decide on the case, didn't get a refund. I bought a locking differential that never showed up, and research found out the same guy sold the same item to many people, none of whom got it. only got a partial refund.
[03:40:35] <Tom_itx> fluffybitchx we get the idea
[03:40:36] <Tom_itx> ok?
[03:41:08] <Cromaglious> I bought one of the ELM 327 bluetooth OBD2 readers and I opened it up and it was missing all the caps, resistors for the GM car interface older than 2004
[03:41:16] <renesis> wait were bitching general and not about fake shit?
[03:41:27] <renesis> ebay/PP refunded me for a broken AP
[03:41:33] <tjb1> tomorrow is friday! :)
[03:41:39] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[03:41:49] <Cromaglious> seller refunded the money, but I contacted the consumer affairs at the DOJ state of CA
[03:41:53] <Cromaglious> they didn do shit
[03:41:54] <fluffybitchx> renesis: I've gotten lots of fake stuff too. Fake wire, ebay wouldn't do anything. Bought a Feeldoe and got shipped a chinese knockoff, ebay wouldn't do anything. etc, etc.
[03:41:57] <PetefromTn_> so is anyone making anything really cool with LinuxCNC?
[03:42:17] <renesis> why are you buying feeldoe on ebay
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[03:42:31] <renesis> cant you buy those 1st party
[03:42:31] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, if I could get InkScape turning out gcode files
[03:42:34] <tjb1> Do I want to know what a feeldoe is?
[03:42:48] <tjb1> Sounds like an animal sex toy
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[03:43:10] <PetefromTn_> never used inkscape for anything but text and images to .dxf conversions
[03:43:35] <fluffybitchx> renesis: you get really good deals when people doing the "passion parties" realize no one will ever actually attend one, and dump their inventory on ebay. and as I don't make much money, I need to save it whereever I can.
[03:43:36] <renesis> ha, feeldoe's site looks like from 1998
[03:43:38] <tjb1> yep do not search feeldoe
[03:43:44] <Cromaglious> damn winbloz machine just fell off as well
[03:43:55] <renesis> heh, k
[03:44:31] <fluffybitchx> renesis: I don't think it's changed much since then, no. :)
[03:45:38] <tjb1> guessing fluffybitchx is female
[03:45:42] <renesis> tho yeah, your experience kind of just makes my point, heh
[03:46:10] <renesis> tjb1: spells her name like a guy, or is usin someone elses user
[03:46:24] <roycroft> fluffybitchx just needs to stop using ebay'sbeard.com :P
[03:46:26] <Cromaglious> Randy G...
[03:46:52] <renesis> maybe its a verb
[03:46:58] <fluffybitchx> the time I got ripped off I bought from a dealer... the listing said it was a feeldoe, had pictures of an actual feeldoe,... got a crap $10 chinese knockoff in the mail.
[03:47:00] <tjb1> Cromaglious: That just adds to the confusion
[03:47:20] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:47:26] <XXCoder> just googled it
[03:47:32] <fluffybitchx> virtually every time I've been ripped off, on anything, it's been from a dealer, not an individual. the only time I can think of where an individual ripped me off was the locking differential.
[03:48:03] <fluffybitchx> found out he ripped people off on craigslist and various jeep forums, too... was talk of trying to track him down and extract jeep parts and/or teeth from him. heh.
[03:48:57] <fluffybitchx> oh! and I got ripped off last year on some lathe tooling. the seller kept dragging it on with excuses until 46 days after the listing ended, then never replied again.
[03:49:05] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: What kind of anodizing?
[03:49:22] <Tom_itx> </rant!>
[03:49:30] <renesis> paypal would give you that money back
[03:49:59] <fluffybitchx> now I know to file a case 44 days after it ends, no matter how good the seller's excuses are, because they're just intentionally stalling for time until the period you can file a case runs out.
[03:50:23] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[03:50:24] <fluffybitchx> no, they wouldn't. said I waited too long, tough shit.
[03:50:32] <Tom_itx> good irc has ignore
[03:50:48] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: you have 45 days after the listing ends to file a case... if the deadline passes, you can't file one.
[03:51:08] <tjb1> papa tom is angry
[03:51:09] <SpeedEvil> It varies.
[03:51:19] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: don't worry, I don't like you either.
[03:51:20] <Tom_itx> no not really
[03:51:24] <PetefromTn_> wasn't talking to you could care less about your ebay gripes..
[03:51:27] <Cromaglious> sheeshz.. trying to get to grub to boot into rtai kernel and it already has...
[03:51:27] <tjb1> I need some popcorn
[03:51:34] <SpeedEvil> I've recently got a refund on some polythene that was 100, not 200um thick
[03:51:37] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Just color or hard anodizing?
[03:51:47] <PetefromTn_> both really
[03:51:53] <SpeedEvil> And less recently from two 1800mm glass tubes.
[03:52:01] <PetefromTn_> I could stand to make my aluminum parts color anodized people like color LOL..
[03:52:03] <SpeedEvil> That the seller shipped in three layers of bubble-wrap.
[03:52:13] <Tom_itx> tjb1 it just shortens the scrollback
[03:52:31] <PetefromTn_> never blocked anyone on here dunno how really LOL
[03:52:39] <PetefromTn_> or ignored rather
[03:52:40] <tjb1> Anyone have a sand muller?
[03:52:46] <renesis> /ignore [nick]
[03:52:54] <fluffybitchx> SpeedEvil: I got a part with legs on the back shipped in nothing but a padded mailer. it arrived with all the legs bent flat, quite expectedly...
[03:52:57] <PetefromTn_> thanks
[03:53:39] <tjb1> or experience with casting sand
[03:53:48] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: yeah, bright annodizing seems popular with a certain portion of car people.
[03:53:50] <tjb1> mostly interested in how many times it can be used/heated before it needs mulled
[03:53:58] <SpeedEvil> I generally don't bother casting sand, I get it from the builders merchant
[03:54:28] <SpeedEvil> tjb1: more seriously - it depends if you want to recover it all, and are willing to seive the lumps out - and what you're doing.
[03:54:31] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: you can try making some in different colors and see what your customer, and their customers, thinks...
[03:54:38] <SpeedEvil> For example - oil sand, or sodium silicate
[03:54:42] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: Well this will be used in production and I am trying to keep price below the oxide used to prevent the brazing material from moving
[03:54:44] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ now if you were an op you could -v nick for a couple hrs
[03:54:55] <PetefromTn_> I found out about a new local place that does pressure blasting and powder coating
[03:55:06] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: So it can be done by hand?
[03:55:08] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I can maybe talk them into doing my CNC lathe tins for cheap..
[03:55:26] <SpeedEvil> tjb1: in many cases, yes, you can simply pour it through a screen and discard
[03:55:28] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: You should get your own powdercoating setup
[03:55:29] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx LOL
[03:55:42] <PetefromTn_> I probably will but just for smallish parts
[03:55:46] <Tom_itx> i know, i've done it
[03:56:08] <fluffybitchx> harbor freight has one for $59 or something...
[03:56:11] <PetefromTn_> honestly the places that do thier powdercoat work do it so cheaply it is not worth investing too much into it here
[03:56:16] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: eastwood guns are good
[03:56:23] <tjb1> only about $200 for the better gun and accessories
[03:56:24] <fluffybitchx> I've heard you want to get a dedicated oven for it, not use your kitchen one. heh.
[03:56:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen the home shop style stuff
[03:56:34] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: What happens to the water bonded sand when heated?
[03:57:01] <SpeedEvil> never tried just water
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[03:57:15] <Tom_itx> i was in HF today... man it was like flies on manure in there...
[03:57:21] <SpeedEvil> But - if you're actually using just water - sand is damn near free.
[03:57:29] <SpeedEvil> $100/m^3 or something
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[03:57:55] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: it requires the clay though
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[03:58:39] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: worst I've ever seen was the dollar store in gilroy, ca. there were people fighting over items strewn on the floor from knocked-over displays. looked more like an aid shipment to a third-world country than a store...
[03:59:04] <XXCoder> crazy
[03:59:11] <XXCoder> fight for dollar items?
[03:59:18] <fluffybitchx> there is nothing, and I mean nothing, worth fighting someone over at the dollar store. heh.
[03:59:21] <unfy> priorities, yo
[03:59:42] <Tom_itx> i wasn't planning a purchase rather just checking if they sold something
[03:59:53] <renesis> fuck the dollar store
[04:00:00] <tjb1> Tom_itx: I have the fluorescent desk lamp that let out magic smoke
[04:00:05] <renesis> buy some plastic cups, shattered in a month
[04:00:12] <tjb1> replaced caps, fuse blew, replaced fuse and blew out the new caps
[04:00:15] <tjb1> I give up :(
[04:00:17] <renesis> but some cups at target, decade later same fuckin cups
[04:00:21] <Tom_itx> heh
[04:00:53] <tjb1> Well I "replaced" the fuse - https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqbd2tvpduc2qbf/2015-02-11%2019.03.03.jpg?dl=0
[04:00:59] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: a family friend just got their hardwood workbench... it's not bad. it is hardwood. just it's made from tiny scraps with thousands of finger joints! we counted that one piece of a drawer, about 16" by 3", was actually 17 pieces of wood finger-jointed together.
[04:01:20] <unfy> tjb: if this is rolled up aluminum foil, you're getting a thwacking
[04:01:37] <unfy> it's not. and... uhhhh.... wow. heh
[04:01:44] <Tom_itx> yeah at least use a solid copper bar
[04:01:44] <renesis> nice
[04:01:49] * renesis approves
[04:01:57] <Tom_itx> copper tubing works nice
[04:01:58] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple cool platic cutting boards at the dollar store cheap I cut into CNC projects
[04:02:18] <fluffybitchx> it could be worse. it could be a .22lr round.
[04:02:21] <tjb1> oh here is the clear picture - https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6u5f4sh5li5tfg/2015-02-11%2019.03.11.jpg?dl=0
[04:02:31] <renesis> damn i didnt think about raw material at the dollar store
[04:02:40] <tjb1> dead fuse still on other side - https://www.dropbox.com/s/id66lefd3goix22/2015-02-11%2017.41.01.jpg?dl=0
[04:03:10] <unfy> renesis: i've used the dollar store for some raw material before. just gotta realize it's not the best quality
[04:03:12] <renesis> middle cap looks kinda iffy
[04:03:31] <unfy> prolly just lighting, renesis
[04:03:43] <renesis> unfy: raw material from asia at low margins is a pretty good deal
[04:04:05] <tjb1> renesis: dont worry, that one let off some steam and fixed itself after I rigged the new fuses up
[04:04:05] <unfy> renesis: a lot of what the dollar store has for $1 ... aint worth $1.
[04:04:15] <renesis> ya obviously
[04:04:24] <unfy> but, in a pinch, it can be useful
[04:04:27] <fluffybitchx> yep
[04:04:31] <renesis> tjb1: haha
[04:04:42] <unfy> cutting boards are a prime example of useful :D
[04:04:48] <tjtr33> skunkworks, I nstalled the rt-preempt kernel ( uname -r shows 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae ) and running linuxcnc shows "LinuxCNC requires ... 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae to run" i'm missing something big here ;)
[04:04:51] <unfy> (as mentioned by someone above)
[04:05:03] <tjb1> I'm sure I will have cancer shortly from breathing in the nice chemicals from 2 capacitors
[04:05:03] <fluffybitchx> the ones here are only useful because sometimes they get things on closeouts... some company changes their logo or such and wants to clear out a warehouse of something, so they give it to the dollar stores to dump it.
[04:05:11] <cradek> rt-preempt requires the uspace build of linuxcnc
[04:06:05] <fluffybitchx> also, the ones here now sell solar lights, and at $1, they're finally cheap enough I don't care if people run them over, which usually happens before they fail due to crap parts...
[04:06:22] <skunkworks> tjtr33: you need to pull 2.7 or later
[04:06:27] <tjtr33> cradek thx is that apt-get able
[04:06:29] <tjtr33> oops
[04:06:59] <skunkworks> I usually Git it - but I think you can get debs from the build bot.. don't ask me how
[04:07:25] <tjtr33> ok got a hint now, thx
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[04:16:56] <MacGalempsy_> well there goes my next few days.... popped breaker and it doesnt reset...
[04:18:22] <tjtr33> buildbot.linuxcnc.org only lists Wheezy(realtime with rtpreempt) architectures: amd64 , so no debs suited to my pentium m?
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[04:19:03] <unfy> mac: doh
[04:19:31] <fluffybitchx> MacGalempsy_: on?
[04:21:22] <tjb1> later folks.
[04:22:02] <fluffybitchx> cyas
[04:26:32] <MacGalempsy_> just ordered a couple on ebay for 5 bucks each
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[04:51:10] <fluffybitchx> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[05:06:41] <tjtr33> wah! got LinuxCNC2.7.0-pre2 installed by adding repo. axis sim ran but was very 'stopanimation' jerky. not unresponsive, just chunky video updates.
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[05:08:33] <tjtr33> so i ran latency-test woah! i saw over 250uSecs. so whats this rt-preempt all about? i was near 12uS with rtai. is it just hardware dependant & thus 'just depends'
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[05:19:14] <tjtr33> http://ibin.co/1rMc5oC76eOg
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[05:24:15] <tjtr33> http://ibin.co/1rMddyJICEY7
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[05:29:31] <AndChat|144384> tjtr33: awesome
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[05:29:39] <tjtr33> someone was looking for gentoo linuxcnc here's 2.7 already http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/sfnet_gentoocnc/downloads/distfiles/linuxcnc-2.7.0_pre2.tar.gz/
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[05:30:37] <tjtr33> awesome? its gumby & pokey motion
[05:30:48] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[05:30:49] <skunksleep> tjtr33: is that with -rt?
[05:31:48] <tjtr33> yes cant get < 25uS at startup of latency test with preempt, usually50 and once > 250 while rtai is consistant 11-12uS loaded
[05:32:40] <tjtr33> look at the desktops in the rtai shot, theres 3 loaded desktops, rt-preempt has only the 4 glxgears
[05:33:04] <skunksleep> -rt is a bit softer.. But you would use it with mesa stuff - so only a base period
[05:33:51] <skunksleep> And you should run servo period only on the latency test
[05:34:12] <tjtr33> theres an option?
[05:34:48] <skunksleep> Yes. Try --help
[05:35:05] <tjtr33> cuz man latency-test doesnt work
[05:36:06] <skunksleep> My testing -rt seem to peak around 70us on decent systems
[05:36:10] <tjtr33> hmmm latency-test --help HAL: ERROR: thread 'fast' not found lat.hal:3: addf failed
[05:36:37] <tjtr33> can you try the cmd ?
[05:37:16] <skunksleep> Hmm I just did it today.. But I don't remember how
[05:37:40] <tjtr33> ok, this is so bad i must think i'm doing it wrong
[05:37:58] <skunksleep> Can you try latency-test period for grins?
[05:38:30] <tjtr33> haha 328685 !!!!!
[05:38:33] <skunksleep> (I don't have a system near me at the moment)
[05:38:38] <skunksleep> Yeck
[05:39:03] <tjtr33> hammer rest and get 25-28uS afterwards
[05:39:07] <tjtr33> reset
[05:39:50] <tjtr33> i gotta go try rtai again to see my system isnt munged ( brand new 2nd hand thinkpad :)
[05:40:26] <tjtr33> its on another laptop, so this wont break here
[05:40:37] <skunksleep> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20-%2011102014%20-%2004:52:05%20PM.png
[05:41:15] <tjtr33> thats nice
[05:42:08] <skunksleep> Also try idle=poll also
[05:42:08] <tjtr33> i was thinking ethernet servo and a laptop might be nice on the road to try out
[05:42:46] <tjtr33> i got single core, so i didnt think much of those isolcpu/hog things would apply
[05:42:55] <skunksleep> I did too but the laptot that ran rtai great ran -rt crappy just like yours
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[05:44:22] <tjtr33> is that a grub line?
[05:45:16] <tjtr33> ok i see it
[05:45:32] <skunksleep> Yes - on the kernel line
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[05:50:06] <tjtr33> ok rebooting
[05:51:55] <tjtr33> same o same o
[05:52:18] <tjtr33> 25-30uSecs
[05:52:47] <tjtr33> i began with a pretty tight rtai system, already turned everything off in bios
[05:53:36] <tjtr33> i see no effect from idle=poll and theres only 1 core.
[05:54:08] <tjtr33> no bigge, the keys were falling off my gateway, and this T40 was liek 80 bucks
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[05:59:01] <tjtr33> :) 6857 started up latency test on rtai :)
[05:59:23] <tjtr33> now to duplicate all the apps i had running
[06:00:16] <tjtr33> 4 glxgears 8593
[06:02:04] <tjtr33> 10157 with picture viewer risotto
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[06:03:54] <tjtr33> no change with ePDF viewer
[06:04:17] <tjtr33> ah bt it opens so far up on sreen you canmove it
[06:05:20] <tjtr33> not risotto ristretto image viewer
[06:05:36] <tjtr33> well looks good enuf to let it cook overnite
[06:06:04] <skunksleep> Does it have a printer port?
[06:06:05] <witnit> how do i start gcode file from the command line, or do it from a gpio.001.in type input?
[06:06:48] <tjtr33> yeah its loaded, xtra drive bay, dvd/cd dual pcmcia, vga usb and ps2
[06:07:22] <tjtr33> you can pass the filename to linuxcnc, not sure thats what you're lookin for
[06:08:17] <witnit> how do i hit the play button
[06:08:23] <witnit> without clicking the play button
[06:08:33] <witnit> or a keyboard command
[06:08:52] <tjtr33> ah 'start' not 'load' i dunno
[06:08:56] <skunksleep> Look at halui
[06:09:02] <witnit> they broke it skunksleep
[06:09:22] <witnit> i ts not in the list anymore so i cant play pause and resume like i used to
[06:09:40] <skunksleep> ?
[06:10:14] <witnit> halui.machine.on
[06:10:17] <witnit> like that
[06:10:43] <witnit> I dont understand but it does not show up anywhere when i try setp
[06:10:58] <witnit> "not found"
[06:11:27] <skunksleep> Are you loading halui in the INI?
[06:11:39] <witnit> its not something that normally loads?
[06:12:03] <witnit> i mean axis is there and i click play, but no control of it
[06:12:12] <witnit> via halui'
[06:12:37] <tjtr33> halui.machine.on is in the 2.7 docs, you say it doent respond?
[06:12:44] <witnit> yeh
[06:12:47] <witnit> not found
[06:13:05] <witnit> using linuxcnc-dev btw
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[06:13:59] <skunksleep> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halui_examples.html
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[06:14:18] <skunksleep> It isn't loaded by defailt
[06:15:11] <witnit> ohhh thanks, I was quite lost as to how it could work without signals and such to reference
[06:15:46] <witnit> im so foolish, exactly what i need, I didnt realize it was not some aspect of AXIS
[06:16:16] <witnit> i thought if you got the play and pause buttons you already got the signals and did not need to load more items
[06:16:49] <skunksleep> Ah
[06:18:10] <witnit> well see, i have this machine, that its more like a gcode ladder logic, but i turn on the machine, the pc boots and it loads up linuxcnc, loads the file then enables the machine, then it hits play
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[06:18:48] <witnit> but i upgraded to a 7i92 and lost the autostart features i had in place and just could not find them
[06:20:11] <witnit> another problem i have, is, for example i have Dout-01 and i want to trigger it with Din-05 like a pushbutton on the box, (manual part eject) how would i connect such a thing?
[06:20:13] <tjtr33> witnit will now take over the world """Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world"""
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[06:21:28] <witnit> I tried to net my signal from Din but it says i cannot hook to a signal already hooked to a Dout, but thats exactly the thing i need
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[06:24:04] <witnit> do i need some sort of external halcmd setp gpio.out true; wait a moment ; false, then again how do i trigger via a button on the side of the machine without hardwiring it or interupting the gcode
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[06:42:19] <PetefromTn_> hehe I love that show
[06:42:55] <marmite> i love you ;)
[06:44:03] <PetefromTn_> marmite you been running that vacuum system too much I think you mighta sucked all the oxygen out of the room man hehe
[06:44:33] <marmite> probebly yes
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[06:47:54] <unfy> heh
[06:51:25] <witnit> PetefromTn_, I took some pics for you tonight
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[06:52:01] <witnit> one a homebrew airloader for single spindle and some shots of one for a multispindle machine
[06:53:03] <PetefromTn_> sweetness
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[06:53:39] <witnit> when i ran it i had plastic in it instead of steel, you probably would want some conduit or black pipe for an inner liner
[06:54:02] <witnit> http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=42901425974237691115
[06:54:45] <PetefromTn_> Ok thanks man I will try to download it here in a minute
[06:54:53] <PetefromTn_> working on my facebook page
[06:55:12] <witnit> you taking pictures with ducklips?
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[06:55:22] <witnit> =D
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[06:55:40] <PetefromTn_> heh no I am just starting my small business page
[06:56:05] <witnit> nice =D
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[07:34:30] <witnit> anarchos2, will this help http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/structure.html#_debugging_flags
[07:34:38] <witnit> "remap" flags?
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[07:59:44] <Deejay> moin
[08:04:04] <witnit> morning D
[08:04:15] <renesis> only by 4 minutes
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[08:18:36] <RyanS> Why do people rave about modular milling vices ie expensive and steel
[08:19:34] <toastydeath> modular milling vises are great for production work
[08:19:37] <witnit> repeatability?
[08:19:53] <toastydeath> they open and close fast, you can leave them on the machine MOST of the time
[08:20:01] <toastydeath> they're highly configurable
[08:20:39] <toastydeath> the more lean you want to run the shop the faster the setup changeover needs to be
[08:20:43] <RyanS> toolmaker vice sort of accuracy ?
[08:20:54] <toastydeath> Toolkmaker vises, imho, aren't really that accurate
[08:20:58] <toastydeath> they're quite cheap/shitty
[08:21:04] <witnit> they are good for swapping out the whole vice
[08:21:10] <RyanS> ok
[08:21:12] <witnit> if you have ten of them great
[08:21:17] <witnit> but just one... not so much
[08:21:26] <archivist> use the right tool for the job in hand
[08:21:42] <witnit> its like jigs, you setup each then when the job comes back around you slap the vice in place and its all preset
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[08:22:23] <toastydeath> (that also depends on the type of modular vise - some are table replacements)
[08:23:40] <toastydeath> in terms of accuracy, it's hard to gauge because the vise jaws tend to be quite accurate over their rather narrow width
[08:23:51] <toastydeath> because of how most close, you do not get much part kick up
[08:24:06] <toastydeath> which is 99% of what I personally want in a vise, lack of kick up
[08:24:16] <toastydeath> and is why i think toolmaker's vises are dumb
[08:24:28] <RyanS> That's quite interesting how they need to use an overhead crane to lift a vice
[08:24:53] <toastydeath> a tombstone?
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[08:25:57] <RyanS> just the fact that a 200 mm vice is like 100 kg
[08:26:55] <archivist> the forces in milling can be very high
[08:27:30] <toastydeath> none of our modular vises were that heavy, we had kurt doublelocks
[08:27:36] <toastydeath> and like one tombstone nobody ever used
[08:28:11] <toastydeath> we did have a box angle plate that heavy from an ancient HMC
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[09:28:33] <witnit> not sure if you guys got to see this or not, but it works now
[09:28:35] <witnit> http://what.duckdns.org/rifraf.mp4
[09:30:31] <witnit> if the controller for it ever dies, i will have a project on my hands
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[10:00:13] <jack16> made little program to generate gcode for spiral drilling with endmill. Anybody interested? http://youtu.be/J2rpPNYLmis
[10:00:46] <jack16> It would be cool to make it canned cycle for easy access from mdi
[10:03:36] <witnit> hey nice work, that looks great
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[10:03:39] <witnit> pastebin it?
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[10:04:04] <witnit> or this
[10:04:06] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/
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[10:16:37] <jack16> http://pastebin.com/Pf4Xs561
[10:17:08] <jack16> code is very minimal, does no setup
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[10:17:50] <jack16> feedback is very velcome
[10:19:00] <jack16> r is spiral radius, hole diameter will be 2*r + cutter diameter
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[10:22:24] <jack16> safe_z is height for rapids, must clear fixture etc
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[14:13:06] <JT-Shop> jack16, you can put that in a ngcgui subroutine and have it in a tab
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[14:14:19] <jack16> thanks, have to look up what ngcgui is. I'm new to this.
[14:14:57] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html
[14:18:02] <jack16> Thanks.
[14:18:38] <jack16> Anybody knows how to reverse path in gcodetools?
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[14:44:37] <__rob> hello
[14:45:01] <__rob> so I've been trying to work out what tolerances I need for my machine with certain tools. Since I have "correctly set" everything, my circles are now too small
[14:45:32] <__rob> I'm getting 16.8mm circles that should be 17mm.. the steps per mm are set based on the actual pitch of the leadscrew
[14:45:39] <__rob> really not sure what else it could be
[14:45:45] <__rob> I've measured the tool on the calpipers
[14:45:49] <__rob> set that correctly
[14:45:59] <__rob> 0.2 seems a huge amount off
[14:46:21] <FinboySlick> rob_h: Got a dial indicator with which you could confirm the axis travels?
[14:46:30] <__rob> no, just a cheap set of calipers
[14:46:46] <__rob> and its got a slide ruler on one of the travels
[14:46:51] <__rob> that looks to be correct
[14:47:02] <__rob> over 90mm if anything its 90.1, but hard to say
[14:47:03] <FinboySlick> __rob: What about backlash?
[14:47:25] <__rob> well could that account for a circule being smaller overall ?
[14:47:34] <archivist> yes
[14:47:37] <__rob> there will be some slight backlash as the couplers are helical ones
[14:47:46] <__rob> and they definately have a bit of movement
[14:48:10] <__rob> maybe I should replace them
[14:48:13] <archivist> the thread/nut on the screw can be a source of error
[14:48:32] <__rob> ok, well thats proxxon's one
[14:48:37] <__rob> so should be relatively good
[14:48:42] <__rob> better than 0.2
[14:48:47] <archivist> never expect perfection
[14:48:52] <FinboySlick> __rob: Even a very cheap dial caliper would be very very handy in your situation.
[14:49:01] <__rob> no, just wondering what is the best thing to adjust
[14:49:09] <__rob> that I can rely on for all my cuts
[14:49:29] <archivist> you need to measure and diagnose the source of error
[14:50:33] <archivist> I dont expect the cutters that were pointed at yesterday to be that accurate either
[14:51:39] <FinboySlick> __rob: if you really want t ghetto it, you can stry to squeeze a relatively strong spring between your caliper jaws and somehow jam it somewhere where you could measure small amounts of travel on an axis, basically just enough to measure backlash.
[14:52:13] <__rob> yea, there is backlash on the couplers
[14:52:25] <__rob> I can see them move, and drawing a line across them I can see it 'break'
[14:52:30] <FinboySlick> There likely is backlash in the screws too.
[14:52:35] <__rob> not much tho, 0.5 degrees maybe
[14:52:54] <__rob> and its 1.5mm per revolution
[14:53:37] <__rob> so even at 1 deegree that would be 0.004 mm error
[14:53:58] <FinboySlick> __rob: I don't think that's where most of your backlash comes from.
[14:54:17] <FinboySlick> But every little bit adds up.
[14:55:06] <__rob> yea
[14:55:10] <__rob> 0.2 seems alot though
[14:55:24] <__rob> I am cutting quite small amounts aswell
[14:55:43] <__rob> dunno if that has an effect, like too small for the size of the bit or something
[14:55:58] <archivist> are you properly measuring tool dia
[14:56:32] <__rob> yea, although I incorrectly entered the number of flutes
[14:56:35] <__rob> 4 instead of 2
[14:56:46] <__rob> but that doesn't change the diameter of the tool
[14:57:11] <FinboySlick> __rob: If your circles are too small, your tool might be the right size but it might have 0.1 of runout (assuming the rest of the machine would be perfect)
[14:57:43] <archivist> that would cut oversize :)
[14:58:28] <FinboySlick> I wasn't understanding it as a hole/pocket.
[14:58:47] <FinboySlick> I guess clarifying this would be a first step though.
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[14:59:21] <__rob> ahh yes its a pocket
[15:00:31] <archivist> care and checking of ones calipers too, I have seen the gib badly adjusted so the measure incorrectly
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[15:05:37] <FinboySlick> __rob: Machine will likely never be perfect but if you can accurately measure the error at its source, you can compensate in software for most things.
[15:06:20] <__rob> right well i'm about to order some other couplers
[15:06:28] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaw-Shaft-Coupling-Spider-Flexible-Coupler-10-x-10mm-/160661911381?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item2568323755
[15:06:30] <__rob> these things
[15:06:35] <__rob> gotta be better then the helical ones
[15:06:42] <FinboySlick> __rob: Grab a dial indicator along the way.
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[15:11:40] <archivist> show an image of the helical as that should have no backlash at all
[15:18:21] <archivist> grub screws holding the coupler to the shafts are a common problem though
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[15:20:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part1.aspx
[15:21:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part2.aspx
[15:21:18] <__rob> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/501165371/50PCS-Mini-8mm-to-10mm-Setscrew-Beam-font-b-Coupling-b-font-8x10mm-font-b-Helical.jpg
[15:21:19] <__rob> one of these
[15:21:55] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/mechanical-drives/how-coupling-types-affect-bearing-forces
[15:22:19] <Swapper> Are the bearing preload OK ?
[15:22:20] <archivist> __rob, only the grub screw can have problems with those
[15:22:46] <Swapper> angular contacts or what takes up the axial load ?
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[15:28:29] <archivist> there is a certain lack of solid information on the proxxon site
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[15:37:32] <__rob> yea, the manual is awful too
[15:38:03] <__rob> Swapper, so its just stepper motors coupled to the lead screw with those couplers
[15:38:33] <__rob> and 3 washers either side of the plate, with 2 nuts tightend against it
[15:38:38] <__rob> just enough so it can still move
[15:38:39] <CaptHindsight> Swapper: angular contact bearings carry the load in both in axial and radial directions
[15:38:57] <__rob> there are no bearings atall on the table
[15:39:06] <__rob> just a hole for the leadscrew to go through
[15:39:42] <archivist> is it a ball screw or plain threaded rod
[15:39:46] <Swapper> CaptHindsight: yea i know that, but if where discussing 0.2mm backlash and there is no bearings at all ?
[15:39:48] <CaptHindsight> Swapper: the preload on the bearings is what removes the lash/play in the positioner if the ends of the screws have been fixed properly
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[15:40:28] <CaptHindsight> Swapper: what lash are you measuring?
[15:40:39] <CaptHindsight> nut to screw?
[15:40:48] <Swapper> CaptHindsight: i where only askin rob
[15:40:52] <archivist> not him its __rob who needs to measure
[15:40:59] <Swapper> what axial takeup system he uses
[15:41:04] <Swapper> angular contacts or whatever
[15:41:14] <Swapper> washers aperently
[15:41:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I'm just trying get some clear info here :)
[15:41:32] <Swapper> im not the one asking :)
[15:41:46] <Swapper> im also trying to get more info from rob
[15:42:30] <Swapper> __rob: in my world you might have quite some lash if theres not bearings taking up the axial load
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[15:43:22] <Swapper> as i understand its Screw <------> |whasher|--[coupler]--[motor]
[15:44:12] <Swapper> prefered it would be Screw <------> |AB|spacer|AB|--[coupler]--[motor]
[15:44:30] <CaptHindsight> __rob: have pics of the setup?
[15:45:22] <CaptHindsight> if it is actually bearing free how long will this stay aligned?
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[15:52:54] <__rob> I have a video
[15:53:13] <__rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdspVQ5G2YM
[15:53:51] <__rob> it might also be that for some reason inventor has decides to do the toolpath differently
[15:54:06] <__rob> so it bores down, then cuts outwards in a spiral
[15:54:13] <__rob> but only gets like 1 pass on the final outside
[15:54:24] <Swapper> do you use HSM ?
[15:54:28] <__rob> yea
[15:54:39] <__rob> maybe there is deflection happeneing and it needs to run round a few more times
[15:54:44] <__rob> I just reran the same gcode
[15:54:53] <__rob> and it was still getting ally off the edge
[15:54:58] <Swapper> do you have cutter compensation in computer or control ?
[15:54:58] <__rob> not much, but then this is not much
[15:55:05] <__rob> at the moment in computer
[15:55:15] <__rob> with the cutter set to the measured size of the cutter
[15:55:33] <__rob> I've just added a circular pass to run around the outside a few times
[15:55:35] <__rob> see if that helps
[15:55:37] <Swapper> and the size of the cutter is correct ?
[15:55:40] <__rob> yea
[15:55:42] <__rob> 3.96mm
[15:55:51] <__rob> maybe too small a cutter for a 17mm hole
[15:55:58] <Swapper> nah
[15:56:29] <__rob> might also be unevenness in the flutes perhaps along the cutter height ?
[15:56:37] <Swapper> with the exact size of the cutter and and some finising passes it should be ok
[15:56:49] <__rob> cos its cutting the hole out sideways not all of the profile ever sees the tip of the cutter
[15:56:51] <Swapper> problem doing pockets and backlash is often that the hole gets oval
[15:57:08] <Swapper> or marks at the 9-12-15-18 a clock marks
[15:57:09] <__rob> well its slighly oval
[15:57:11] <__rob> 0.05
[15:57:23] <__rob> but I am wondering if that is due to the same as above
[15:57:25] <Swapper> the oval is the backlash probably
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[15:58:49] <__rob> right
[15:59:10] <__rob> so the last one, after 2 passes was almost correct in 1 direction
[15:59:14] <__rob> the other was 0.15 off
[15:59:27] <__rob> but the same leadscrews are used for both
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[15:59:35] <archivist> pitch of the screw mentioned earlier means it probably is not a ballscrew
[15:59:51] <__rob> no, dont think it is
[16:00:01] <__rob> there is a big brass (i think) block under each table
[16:00:04] <archivist> so expect backlash then
[16:00:07] <__rob> right
[16:00:23] <Swapper> yea and without a ballscrew and no bearings taking up angular force i guess thats the problem
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[16:01:11] <__rob> guess it is more of a "hobby" mill
[16:01:17] <__rob> still, it aint that cheap
[16:01:40] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a brass nut on leadscrew
[16:01:43] <Swapper> yea, its no production shop running proxxons :)
[16:02:29] <Swapper> i had a X2 desktop mill with angular contacts and ballscrews, still couldnt get a deasent hole for a bearing fit.
[16:02:31] <__rob> yea, indeed, but then I expected to get better tolerance than that
[16:02:41] <Swapper> round interpolation is hard to get exactly right
[16:02:47] <Swapper> backlash whise
[16:02:48] <CaptHindsight> a round post is also holding the head
[16:02:51] <__rob> so software backlash settings might help ?
[16:02:57] <archivist> yes
[16:03:05] <__rob> and be fairly robust ?
[16:03:11] <__rob> I mean, that is a constant .. so
[16:03:28] <archivist> not a constant as the machine will wear
[16:03:30] <Swapper> might help, but try to get rid of as much in the mechanical parts first
[16:03:37] <__rob> theorectically it should correct down to at least < 0.2 as I have at the moment
[16:03:43] <CaptHindsight> I'd check the runout in that "spindle" as well
[16:04:07] <__rob> well they are smaller holes so surely runout will make it bigger
[16:04:08] <__rob> not smaller
[16:04:17] <CaptHindsight> that's more of an under-built reprap design
[16:04:17] <Swapper> yep
[16:04:40] <__rob> CaptHindsigh, what is.. the proxxon ?
[16:04:52] <__rob> or my CNC attachements
[16:04:56] <Swapper> cant you make some bearing mounts? Cheap angular contacts wont cost that much
[16:05:10] <CaptHindsight> even skate bearings will help
[16:05:12] <Swapper> 15$ maybe per axle
[16:05:39] <__rob> yea, I was planning to mill the parts to replace what I have done by hand
[16:05:42] <__rob> nothing is that accuracter
[16:05:45] <Swapper> http://www.vxb.com/
[16:05:57] <Swapper> they got cheap angulars
[16:06:04] <Swapper> got all mine from them
[16:06:39] <CaptHindsight> I also find deals on Amamzon for bearings if the know the part number
[16:06:59] <CaptHindsight> often vendors will have 1-2 bearings available for well under list price
[16:07:43] <CaptHindsight> it might be mistakes by the vendors, but I've gotten some expensive bearings for <50% the usual price
[16:08:28] <__rob> cool, I'll try the software backlash first, then try and mill some replacement mountings
[16:08:32] <Swapper> problem with bearings is that you probably need some specific one at a specific time :)
[16:08:58] <__rob> at the moment the only thing holding it "on-axis" is the steppers
[16:09:22] <__rob> via the couplings, which are also flexible
[16:09:23] <CaptHindsight> what are the bearings now? washers?
[16:09:23] <__rob> so not idea
[16:09:24] <Swapper> yea thats asking for problems
[16:09:25] <__rob> deal
[16:09:26] <__rob> ideal
[16:09:28] <__rob> ..
[16:10:02] <archivist> so your couplers act as springs on the screw too!
[16:10:31] <PetefromTn_> morning folks
[16:10:37] <Swapper> probably the whasers keeps the backlash down to about 0.2 mm
[16:10:57] <CaptHindsight> that how my cheap routers showed up, the lash was supposed to be taken up by the spring couplings
[16:10:57] <Swapper> but springs in that regon
[16:11:01] <Swapper> er region
[16:13:27] <Swapper> https://www.damencnc.com/images/gallerycontent/Proxxon%20KT150%20CNC%20Retrofit/axis-asm.jpg
[16:13:59] <Swapper> https://retromaster.wordpress.com/tag/proxxon-mf70/
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[16:15:33] <Swapper> i love google picture search :)
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[16:26:27] <CaptHindsight> https://retromaster.wordpress.com/tag/proxxon-mf70/#jp-carousel-304
[16:26:47] <CaptHindsight> https://retromaster.wordpress.com/tag/proxxon-mf70/#jp-carousel-1092
[16:27:54] <CaptHindsight> makes sense if the challenge was " make some sort of positioner from parts only found at Ace hardware and you have 60 minutes, GO!"
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[16:29:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL
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[16:41:26] <Swapper> But for that size mill its deasently ok ?
[16:43:44] <CaptHindsight> it's a great learning experience...
[16:44:23] <CaptHindsight> you get to understand how even though all the parts seem to be there why does it perform so poorly
[16:44:59] <CaptHindsight> what does each component do and why is it there and how do you align them all
[16:45:07] <archivist> will help manage ones expectations for accuracy
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[16:45:51] <Swapper> yep and then when you understand what you "realy" need you cry a bit when you see the prices
[16:46:11] <CaptHindsight> or find bargains on ebay
[16:48:02] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about how much life you can get with the right picked threaded rod and nuts and grease.
[16:48:04] <SpeedEvil> or oil
[16:48:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/sch/ds_machine/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= has lots of positioners for cheap
[16:49:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/sch/automation_wholesale/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
[16:50:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/usr/motion_constrained
[16:50:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/usr/outback6
[16:51:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/usr/austieiscute
[16:51:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/usr/megasalvage
[16:52:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/usr/hi-techsources
[16:55:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thomsonlinear.com/downloads/articles/Why_Lead_Screws_Best_Fit_Linear_Motion_Applications_taen.pdf
[16:57:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tolomatic.com/files/PDF/9900-9187_00_ActuatorLife.pdf
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[17:15:28] <CaptHindsight> Xacto started selling blades with a titanium coating
[17:15:37] <zeeshan> pics
[17:16:55] <CaptHindsight> heh New and already Discontinued http://xacto.com/products/cutting-solutions/blades/classic-blades/11-Blade-Classic-Fine-Point.aspx
[17:18:54] <CaptHindsight> got mine at wallymart
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[17:21:42] <Rab> Wonder what the issue was (or if they just didn't sell).
[17:22:30] <zeeshan> gillette got mad at them
[17:23:25] <zeeshan> http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m2mpNgiZZ7jQDeshTERAXzw.jpg
[17:23:38] <zeeshan> are these type of terminals where you just wrap copper through the hole
[17:23:39] <zeeshan> solder
[17:23:42] <zeeshan> and then heat shrink?
[17:23:46] <CaptHindsight> lasts too long?
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[17:24:02] <Rab> CaptHindsight, not according to some reviews: http://www.amazon.com/X-ACTO-11-Precision-Series-Blades/dp/B005JDF28S
[17:24:42] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7345/16325356779_d0f0ceed37_h.jpg
[17:24:44] <zeeshan> got em mounted
[17:24:45] <zeeshan> :)
[17:24:55] <CaptHindsight> amamzon has goten so slow I have to reload it at least twice to get a page to load
[17:24:59] <Rab> zeeshan, hey, I have a bunch of those! There's actually a connector that slips over the terminals. But I'm sure you could solder to them directly if you worked quickly.
[17:25:15] <zeeshan> gimme the connector!
[17:25:16] <zeeshan> :P
[17:25:34] <Rab> I have more sensors than I have connectors!
[17:25:57] <Connor> zeeshan: Are you having to fabricate a encoder for the mill?
[17:26:09] <zeeshan> rab sunx?
[17:26:18] <CaptHindsight> hmm I paid maybe 10% more for mine
[17:26:20] <zeeshan> Connor: yea the stock sensor was just single hall effect
[17:26:27] <Rab> zeeshan, https://www.ia.omron.com/products/family/447/dimension.html
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[17:26:30] <zeeshan> just speed sensing
[17:26:32] <zeeshan> not quadrature
[17:26:46] <Connor> You keep the hall effect? or just switch to all optical ?
[17:26:52] <zeeshan> optical
[17:27:12] <zeeshan> there is a guard this all hides in
[17:27:17] <zeeshan> so ambient light shouldnt be an issue
[17:27:20] <Rab> zeeshan, Omron. Interesting that the pins look so similar, maybe it's a semi-official standard.
[17:27:31] <zeeshan> hm!
[17:27:34] <zeeshan> now you've got me wondering!
[17:27:38] <Connor> what are those wires in that picture for ?
[17:28:01] <zeeshan> gear shifter
[17:28:22] <zeeshan> im manually shifting right now :P
[17:28:28] <Connor> Ick
[17:28:29] <Rab> zeeshan, EE-SX672 is the exact model.
[17:28:36] * zeeshan doesnt envision shifting automatic ever
[17:28:53] <zeeshan> wow rab
[17:28:59] <zeeshan> thats like the exact sam,e
[17:29:00] <Connor> Because you blew up the shifter control..
[17:29:08] <zeeshan> yep!
[17:29:09] <zeeshan> :P
[17:29:15] <zeeshan> i dont have a pinout for it
[17:29:20] <zeeshan> even though i can technically replace the component
[17:29:23] <zeeshan> cause its a very simple circuit
[17:29:31] <zeeshan> i still have no ideas how the wires connect
[17:29:41] <zeeshan> i lost my pic for it during disassembly
[17:29:43] <Rab> These are right-angle, I guess you need flat: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/307/EE_SX47_67-297507.pdf
[17:29:51] <Connor> How many different speeds can you shift ?
[17:30:01] <zeeshan> connor infinite
[17:30:04] <zeeshan> w/ vfd :-)
[17:30:07] <zeeshan> stock 18
[17:30:23] <zeeshan> 2.54 pin spacing rab hmm
[17:30:38] <zeeshan> interesting
[17:30:39] <zeeshan> mine has the same!
[17:30:54] <Connor> stick into a 1:1 and be done with it unless you need something different.
[17:31:17] <zeeshan> connor it'd be nice to have to work for back gear
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[17:31:27] <zeeshan> slowest gear = 10 rpm!
[17:31:32] <zeeshan> @ 60hz
[17:31:41] <Connor> nice
[17:32:00] <zeeshan> http://www.737flightsim.com/StabTrim/4pole001.JPG
[17:32:03] <zeeshan> i eveny t his son of a bitch
[17:32:07] <zeeshan> he has theconnectors
[17:32:10] <Rab> The Omron sensors are neat. They run on 5-24V, have internal filtering and open-collector outputs, and a status LED!
[17:32:18] <zeeshan> rab exact same here
[17:32:19] <zeeshan> lol
[17:32:21] <zeeshan> i think these might be a copy
[17:32:30] <zeeshan> theyre by panasonic/sunx
[17:32:30] <Connor> who has the connector ?
[17:32:33] <Connor> and what is that?
[17:33:24] <zeeshan> http://canada.newark.com/productimages/standard/en_US/5040510.jpg
[17:33:31] <zeeshan> that
[17:33:39] <zeeshan> apparently they show using a special tool to crim pit
[17:33:47] <zeeshan> but im not spending 200 on that tool
[17:33:53] <zeeshan> i think you can shove this right inthe vise and press it
[17:33:58] <zeeshan> like an idc crimp cable
[17:34:07] <Rab> Looks that way.
[17:34:44] <roycroft> $200 is cheap for a crimp tool :)
[17:34:55] <zeeshan> okay buy me one
[17:35:06] <roycroft> i'm sorry, but i can't
[17:35:26] <roycroft> because i have too many not cheap crimp tools already
[17:35:32] <roycroft> and have no spare cash for that reason
[17:35:33] <Rab> Every name-brand contact specs a $$$ crimping tool, but that's for commercial purposes...you can usually use cheapie crimpers.
[17:36:57] <TekniQue> Yeah the usual price for a crimp tool from the connector manufacturer is like $1200
[17:37:20] <TekniQue> each new type of terminal has its own $1200 crimp tool
[17:37:46] <TekniQue> and pin removal tools for the Molex CMC connectors I use on my ECU are like $200 each
[17:37:51] <TekniQue> and you need two
[17:38:11] <TekniQue> $200 for a slug of aluminium with two sharp needles coming out of it
[17:38:20] <TekniQue> I built my own...
[17:38:45] <TekniQue> took a short piece of 0.8mm MIG welding wire and ground it to shape
[17:39:22] <roycroft> i've made my own crimp tools for connectors that i don't plan on terminating on a regular basis
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[17:39:30] <TekniQue> yeah same
[17:39:35] <roycroft> usually the engineering drawings for the connectors provide enough information
[17:39:52] <TekniQue> I've sometimes modified the jaws of existing tools
[17:40:02] <roycroft> then a chunk of steel in the mill and a few minutes produces a crimp tool
[17:40:02] <TekniQue> to crimp different terminals
[17:40:10] <zeeshan> i use windshield wiper reinforcement stainless
[17:40:15] <zeeshan> to make my pin extraction cool :D
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[17:40:33] <roycroft> but for some stuff i use the real thing
[17:40:59] <roycroft> i manage several telecom huts, and i have a $3500 hydraulic crimp tool for power connectors in them
[17:41:03] <Connor> zeeshan: What is this ? http://www.737flightsim.com/StabTrim/4pole001.JPG
[17:41:10] <zeeshan> no idea
[17:41:12] <roycroft> that's my most expensive crimp tool
[17:41:13] <zeeshan> i found that on the net
[17:41:15] <Connor> oh
[17:47:08] <zeeshan> im confused about how these will interface with the 7i77
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[17:50:59] <zeeshan> from past conversations i have to put a pull down resistor @ the encoder inputs
[17:51:32] <zeeshan> not sure how i will do this without shorting stuff
[17:51:38] <zeeshan> physically at the 7i77
[17:54:43] <TekniQue> zeeshan: have you made anything on your new mill yet?
[17:54:53] <zeeshan> couple things :P
[17:55:23] <TekniQue> make me a rotor for my small water brake
[17:55:28] <TekniQue> I blew up the old one
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[17:58:23] <zeeshan> pics
[17:58:24] <zeeshan> :D
[17:58:39] <TekniQue> I don't have any pics of the damaged rotor
[17:58:55] <TekniQue> I have pics of it before it went to shiut
[17:58:57] <TekniQue> shit
[17:59:01] <zeeshan> yes
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[18:00:27] <anarchos> hmm
[18:01:14] <TekniQue> zeeshan: it's such a simple shape I could easily make it on a manual mill with an indexing table
[18:01:20] <TekniQue> http://imgur.com/VCgHIt2,qYMjzKe
[18:01:27] <anarchos> is there any plans on backporting machine kit's remote control stuff into regular linuxcnc?
[18:02:48] <TekniQue> zeeshan: what happened was the input shaft got damaged and I pressed it out of the rotor to fix it
[18:03:12] <TekniQue> then when I pressed it back together it seized and went in crooked
[18:03:24] <TekniQue> and so the rotor was loose on the press fit
[18:03:40] <TekniQue> and when it hit 6000RPM it got wobbly and contacted the stator
[18:03:51] <TekniQue> stator survived
[18:04:01] <TekniQue> rotor has several bent fins
[18:05:06] <TekniQue> and 30mm steel shaft that was driving it snapped
[18:05:16] <TekniQue> torque arm bent like a banana
[18:06:13] <TekniQue> if all else fails, I'll spend a day making one on a manual mill
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[18:07:26] <TekniQue> manufacturer have stopped making them
[18:07:44] <TekniQue> according to their inventory they have a couple
[18:07:49] <TekniQue> in stock
[18:07:54] <TekniQue> but they can't find them
[18:08:52] <anarchos> i one time drove 4 hours, across the border into WA to buy something that was "in stock"...
[18:08:58] <anarchos> it wasn't :(
[18:11:06] <TekniQue> but this week I have purchased parts from two different dyno vendors
[18:11:09] <TekniQue> for both of my water brakes
[18:11:29] <TekniQue> and I have to say dealing with Superflow is much more pleasant than dealing with Land & Sea
[18:11:51] <TekniQue> I ordered that torque arm for the Land & Sea brake 4 months ago
[18:13:03] <TekniQue> and I think they've finally shipped it now
[18:19:41] * Loetmichel has just put his glasses in the ultrasonic cleaner... MUCH BETTER... "a wonder, i can see again!"
[18:19:46] <ssi> ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEESHAN
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[18:28:59] <Swapper> TekniQue: proly stupid question, what is a waterbreak ?
[18:29:06] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: I have them physically check stock for me before I do that. Sometimes I even call twice to get a different person to check.
[18:30:13] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_brake
[18:31:20] <Swapper> ahh like a reversed pump
[18:31:31] <Swapper> kinda.. or nah
[18:31:43] <CaptHindsight> torque converter
[18:31:45] <Swapper> what is the application ?
[18:31:53] <Swapper> dyno bench for cars ? :)
[18:32:14] <CaptHindsight> air brakes are for stopping planes, water brakes are for stopping boats and ships :)
[18:32:16] <anarchos> i think i might try to build a machine from scratch, using granite surface plates
[18:32:45] <Swapper> anarchos: Epoxy granite must be easer?
[18:32:50] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: I use the ones from Shars since they are local
[18:33:15] <CaptHindsight> and sometimes the Enco surface plates and table combos are lower cost than just the plate itself
[18:33:20] <CaptHindsight> watch for the sales
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[18:34:33] <anarchos> Swapper: possibly...although i just want something small, so I'm thinking just two plates anchored together at a right angle, with a cast iron plate "L" shaped bracket on the sides as well..
[18:34:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/epoxy-granite/30155-epoxy-granite-machine-bases-polymer-concrete-frame.html this thread is going on to it's 8th year!
[18:34:54] <anarchos> CaptHindsight, yeah, i think i got a few hundred pages into that thread before giving up :P
[18:35:40] <CaptHindsight> the end result is few % binder and the rest aggregate
[18:36:18] <CaptHindsight> and sometimes using a vacuum bag helps if you have bubbles that you don't want
[18:36:36] <anarchos> http://i.imgur.com/RRJFufT.jpg
[18:36:56] <anarchos> that was my initial concept from last summer, but i think i'm going to go with linear slides instead of box ways
[18:37:26] <CaptHindsight> Epoxy-Rice Machine Bases
[18:38:16] <anarchos> i also think i'm going to make the base more square, only a little less wide than the x-axis travel
[18:39:51] <anarchos> iirc i based that design off of a 18x24 surface plate that was cut in half, so i might do 18x24 for the base, then do the 9x24 for the column
[18:42:25] <anarchos> i even went so far as to call a local counttop installer and ask how much to slide one in half ($25 and a 6 pack) :P
[18:42:31] <anarchos> counter top*
[18:42:58] <anarchos> slide=slice. i'm no good at typing today
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[18:48:39] <CaptHindsight> the problem with making your own polymer granite bases is getting the forms square and flat
[18:50:39] <CaptHindsight> what does a piece of 1/2" thick plate glass sell for ~18 x 24?
[18:51:12] <Rab> If you can jig the pieces into precise geometry, maybe you can fill the gaps with epoxy? Then sink bolts to secure?
[18:51:45] <CaptHindsight> we put aluminum slugs in then machine later
[18:52:21] <Rab> Are surface plate edges typically precisely perpendicular?
[18:52:33] <anarchos> no
[18:52:40] <CaptHindsight> http://elmontglass.com/calculator.html $54
[18:52:54] <CaptHindsight> they are in the ballpark
[18:53:06] <anarchos> Rab: well, they can be, they have to be special ordered for the most part (i looked into it)
[18:53:15] <Rab> Hmm...I feel like the countertop dudes won't be able to guarantee a precision cut.
[18:53:25] <CaptHindsight> usually just the tops are speced to some smoothness
[18:53:27] <anarchos> no, for sure
[18:54:00] <anarchos> the 90 degree bit of my design would require lots of tramming.
[18:56:12] <anarchos> i figured if i build it and everything worked out, I'd send off my base to be ground square to the surface. since both surfaces with the ways on it are precision ground, only the couple inches on the base where the base meets the column would actually need to be ground. all other sides don't really matter, as long as the sides with the ways and where the two pieces meet are square/flat
[18:58:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/527/Universal_Right_Angle_Iron_8x10x12quot
[18:58:31] <CaptHindsight> mount that on a granite plate
[18:58:51] <anarchos> wow
[18:58:59] <Rab> Nice!
[18:59:11] <anarchos> thats 12" high, eh?
[18:59:59] <anarchos> if only they made that in a 18-24" version, it would be perfect :D
[19:00:07] <anarchos> just use that as the column :P
[19:00:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/20360/Universal_Right_Angle_Iron_10_x_12_x_16 bigger one
[19:00:40] <anarchos> ooh they do make a 16"er
[19:01:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/2395/6quot_x_9quot_x_12quot_4_Face_Granite_Angle_Plate
[19:01:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/2342/Grade_B_18quot_x_24quot_Black_Granite_Surface_Plate
[19:02:24] <CaptHindsight> did what you're trying to do years ago with these
[19:03:09] <anarchos> i wonder how feasable it would be to just order a custom size right angle plate
[19:03:17] <anarchos> like, base+column as one solid piece
[19:03:34] <ssi> probably expensive
[19:03:40] <anarchos> yea
[19:03:40] <CaptHindsight> what material and from where?
[19:03:45] <anarchos> granite
[19:04:01] <CaptHindsight> starrett does that and they are thousands
[19:04:20] <anarchos> yea
[19:04:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.standridgegranite.com/custom-bases-and-machining
[19:04:55] <CaptHindsight> probably 20x what it would cost you DIY
[19:05:03] <anarchos> yeah i've seen that one before, looks expensive :P
[19:05:22] <CaptHindsight> military and guberment lab stuff
[19:05:27] <anarchos> if i could find a place that sold cheaper plates finished on both large faces, that would be ideal
[19:06:12] <anarchos> but those angle cast iron things are interesting. they'd make good supports for the column
[19:06:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.standridgegranite.com/images/stories/Products/inserts.jpg you just bond in inserts and machine
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[19:07:21] <anarchos> i was thinking of using expanding concrete anchors for the base/column connection
[19:07:38] <anarchos> never thought about epoxying inserts in...
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[19:09:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-2-in-Diamond-Drill-Bit-RD-71104/202528417
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[19:09:55] <anarchos> but then again, i don't know how much the base/column connection matters, in terms of being square
[19:10:22] <anarchos> because i think if you even had precision ground everything, you're never going to get it completely square without tramming
[19:10:40] <CaptHindsight> you still have to mount your linear bearings
[19:10:43] <anarchos> so as long as it was ball park square, which im sure a surface plate is, it could just be shimmmed
[19:11:11] <Swapper> guess thats the pros of pouring the slab your self, that insterts can be placed for linear ways and stuff and ground
[19:11:11] <CaptHindsight> what precision are you shooting for?
[19:11:23] <anarchos> .000000001
[19:11:26] <anarchos> ;)
[19:11:29] <skunkworks> miles?
[19:11:31] <anarchos> lol
[19:11:37] <CaptHindsight> you'll need a laser anyway
[19:12:15] <anarchos> im not too sure, to be honest. i have my x2 mill to about .00075-.001", so somethign better than that
[19:12:26] <anarchos> would .0002" be feasable, do you think?
[19:12:35] <CaptHindsight> 5um
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[19:12:57] <CaptHindsight> thats about the limit with out temp control and laser micrometers
[19:13:22] <anarchos> yeah, that seems like a good number then :P
[19:15:26] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1rQgmuUHYsPw htis will hold that but it non contact and in a temp controlled enclosure
[19:16:36] <anarchos> cool.
[19:16:56] <anarchos> i never even concidered they had laser micrometers :P
[19:17:47] <anarchos> do they have them as real time closed loop systems?
[19:18:02] <anarchos> like a encoder, but for actual movement, not just motor movement?
[19:18:09] <CaptHindsight> you can make them work with Linuxcnc
[19:18:49] <CaptHindsight> that setup has 1um encoders and laser micrometers
[19:19:00] <FinboySlick> How fast they react would be important if you're going to measure direct movement though.
[19:20:18] <FinboySlick> Though I guess one could use traditional encoders and correct with periodic readings from the micrometer.
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[19:22:38] <CaptHindsight> if you hold temperature the frames don't change size much
[19:23:33] <CaptHindsight> but if you walk in at 8am and the room is 20C and then 27C at 10am don't expect the same results
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[19:24:56] <FinboySlick> FreezingCold left the room my ass, I'm still cold ;)
[19:25:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nagase-i.jp/eng/product/product_11.html
[19:25:41] <CaptHindsight> Minimum resolution of 0.00001° and indexing accuracy of 0.0003°
[19:27:15] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: speaking of cold, how has it been up there?
[19:28:39] <CaptHindsight> back to the freezer again here, I don't see us above freezing here for the next two weeks
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[19:35:40] <anarchos> do you guys find metal suppliers will sell you very small amounts?
[19:35:52] <anarchos> i'm having trouble finding stuff less than like 10 feet long :P
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[19:36:02] <CaptHindsight> metal supermarkets will sell you anything
[19:36:18] <anarchos> i just want some 3x1 and 2x1 bar stock that's like 6" long
[19:36:21] <cradek> don't forget to look in your yellow pages
[19:36:41] <cradek> my <300k city has a great local place
[19:36:49] <anarchos> there's a guy on ebay that have decent prices...shipping prices to canada kinda suck, but better than metal depot
[19:38:03] <CaptHindsight> welding and machine shops often have leftover pieces
[19:38:23] <anarchos> there's only one place within 45 minutes from me that sells metal, and the last time i called they said they wanted a minimum order of 12 feet, but they "might" have some smaller stuff if i dropped by
[19:38:41] <CaptHindsight> how remote are you?
[19:39:05] <anarchos> Whistler, so about 45 minutes to Squamish and 1.5 hrs to Vancouver
[19:39:41] <CaptHindsight> lots of places are like that with either a minimum order of $300 or some # pf lbs/kg
[19:40:14] <CaptHindsight> the places I go to have a scale and just charge for smaller parts by the lb
[19:40:38] <CaptHindsight> let you sort through their drops
[19:40:55] <anarchos> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-X-2-ALUMINUM-6061-T6511-FLAT-BAR-8-long-1-000-Solid-Plate-Mill-Stock-/350846377956?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b012dfe4
[19:41:14] <Rab> anarchos, never hurts to browse in person. We have metal places like that here. Their catalog is all full-length stock, but of course they do custom cutting and end up with the offcuts.
[19:41:55] <anarchos> 2x the price to ship than the actual item :P
[19:42:11] <CaptHindsight> Stoner Tools heh
[19:42:14] <PetefromTn_> definitely visit the place that said they only sold 12 ft lengths they will undoubtedly have smaller drops and they usually sell them at reasonable pricing. The place I get most of my materials from here does that.
[19:42:55] <PetefromTn_> I typically buy the 12 ft lengths at least because I will often use it down the road if not for that particular job.
[19:43:17] <anarchos> i just don't have the space...or a bandsaq
[19:43:20] <PetefromTn_> my scrap bins are getting fuller all the time LOL ;)
[19:43:27] <anarchos> saw*....my shop is a walk in closet :P
[19:43:29] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It's unpleasantly cold but the days are getting a bit longer. We've had a few chilly evenings around -37C this week.
[19:43:44] <PetefromTn_> can you get a hacksaw? lOL
[19:43:52] <anarchos> well yeah..:P
[19:44:01] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[19:44:07] <anarchos> i bet one of the depts at work has a bandsaw too
[19:45:06] <anarchos> nice thing about the place 45 minutes from me is that they will deliver for free (they supply my work, so the guy said it would be no problem to just put my stuff on the truck that comes up 4-5 times a week)
[19:45:22] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: I thought your nick was familiar, you'rem in that great area for skiing and bad for mech and electrical tech
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[19:45:30] <anarchos> yup :P
[19:45:59] <CaptHindsight> an now no more Radio Shack even
[19:47:45] <Rab> Anybody have experience with mobile device mounting systems? I'm looking at handlebar mounts from Ram Mounts, curious what else is out there.
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[19:48:07] <JT-Shop> ram has them, what kind of handlebar?
[19:48:30] <Rab> Bicycle, varies from 25.4-32mm.
[19:48:39] <Rab> Motorcycle mounts would work too.
[19:49:09] <Rab> The nice thing about the Ram stuff is that it's modular and sells a-la-carte, so you can build up custom armatures.
[19:49:16] <JT-Shop> yea, my mountain bike has tapered bars too
[19:49:59] <JT-Shop> I buy a ton of ram parts from expressmounts.com
[19:50:40] <Rab> Great link, thanks! I've just been shopping on Amazon.
[19:51:17] <JT-Shop> I buy them for my dash mount that I make http://gnipsel.com/spyderstore/
[19:51:29] <_methods> +1 for ram
[19:51:35] <_methods> little spendy but quality stuff
[19:52:48] <_methods> i put a ram computer mount arm on my toolbox
[19:54:45] <anarchos> i have a question about my new vise. so there's a little 1/4" round brass thing with a ball bearing on top that impedes the last .5" of travel, any idea what it's for? http://i.imgur.com/AtGM2t6.jpg
[19:55:35] <Rab> Low-profile grease nipple?
[19:55:49] <cradek> yeah that's for oil, but I bet it shouldn't be in the way!
[19:56:16] <anarchos> yeah i can actually get it to slide up and over, but it sorta tilts the jaws a bit
[19:56:30] <anarchos> maybe i'll dremel a little slot into the block to make it fit
[19:56:35] <cradek> got a bench grinder?
[19:56:38] <Rab> haha @ extreme wrinkle paint finish
[19:56:38] <_methods> wtf is up with that paint
[19:56:59] <Deejay> hrhr
[19:57:00] <CaptHindsight> thats candy apple blue
[19:57:03] <_methods> jesus where did you get the vise so i dont' get one there
[19:57:04] <anarchos> i think they put the bag on it while it was wet :P
[19:57:58] <Rab> Chinese kid trying to get the order out the door before the beatings increase.
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[19:58:30] <_methods> is that a shars vise?
[19:58:33] <_methods> or ebay special?
[19:58:39] <anarchos> kbc tools
[19:58:47] <_methods> hehe thx for the warning
[19:59:00] <anarchos> it's the same as all the others for sale, im sure made in the same factory :P
[19:59:24] <PetefromTn_> button oiler
[19:59:28] <anarchos> bad quality control, though, on kbcs part
[19:59:31] <_methods> is that the 3" vise?
[19:59:34] <anarchos> yea
[19:59:41] <_methods> i got the 4" cnc one for mine
[19:59:45] <_methods> it's almost too big
[19:59:46] <anarchos> only place i could find who sold the 3", in canada
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[20:01:20] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/products/view/18988/4quot_Lock_CNC_Vise
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[20:01:52] <Connor> _methods: I want one of those in 5"
[20:02:10] <anarchos> yeah it's just about perfect size for the X2, but the mounting holes don't like up perfectly...
[20:02:12] <_methods> 5" on my x2 would not work so well lol
[20:02:14] <PetefromTn_> I dunno about yours but mine was LESS than satisfactory
[20:02:21] <_methods> that's why i got the cnc ones
[20:02:21] <anarchos> i need it to sit about .75" further back
[20:02:26] <fluffybitchx> going to try fixing my x leadscrew today... yay big hammers.
[20:02:33] <_methods> that way i can clamp it wherever
[20:02:36] <_methods> and on its side
[20:02:36] <anarchos> yeah
[20:02:36] <Connor> G0704 is a bit bigger than a X2
[20:02:42] <CaptHindsight> some of the Shars vises are crap some are fine
[20:02:50] <anarchos> i was thinking of just clamping it on the coolant troff (sp)
[20:02:53] <_methods> oh for a vise it's a turd
[20:03:00] <_methods> it's fine for my home hobby stuff though
[20:03:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine was neither flat nor square
[20:03:11] <_methods> but i'd never buy one for work it would be broke in a day
[20:03:13] <Connor> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=multicat_cnc_vise
[20:03:25] <fluffybitchx> I need a good vise... only one I have is for my sherline.
[20:03:41] <_methods> the glacern vises are nice
[20:03:44] <PetefromTn_> I still have it tho and occasionally use it with soft machined jaws for second ops
[20:03:46] <_methods> glacern for cheap
[20:03:52] <_methods> kurt for good
[20:03:56] <_methods> chick for production
[20:04:07] <PetefromTn_> only problem is they are not that cheap...
[20:04:22] <Connor> was going to say. Glacern is not cheap
[20:04:25] <fluffybitchx> ok, I need one that's both good and cheap. :)
[20:04:33] <cradek> haha
[20:04:35] <_methods> vs kurt......
[20:04:38] <Connor> fluffybitchx: Umm.. not happening...
[20:04:45] <_methods> glacern is cheap lol
[20:04:53] <PetefromTn_> not really
[20:04:54] <fluffybitchx> yeah, I'll probably just get a chinese cheapo.
[20:04:56] <Connor> Glacern is about the same as Kurt from what I can tell.
[20:05:03] <fluffybitchx> I don't need a good vise for my not-good chinese machine.
[20:05:21] <ssi> welcome to the wonderful world of tolerance stacking
[20:05:23] <_methods> oh well screw glacern then
[20:05:32] <_methods> i haven't looked at their prices in awhile
[20:05:39] <_methods> they think they're kurt now or something?
[20:05:43] <FinboySlick> fluffybitchx: If you need one that's relatively precise for its price, look at toolmakers vises. They're not very practical though.
[20:06:07] <fluffybitchx> FinboySlick: I actually have a decent toolmaker's vise... it's too small, and is meant to be clamped in my non-existant larger vise.
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[20:07:55] <fluffybitchx> I got it on craigslist... some guy was bored at work and made it. all parts are precision ground tool steel, including the body... it's a work of art. heh.
[20:08:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/files/products/catalog2015/page133.pdf these are all pretty nice
[20:08:10] <anarchos> i wish someone sold a 3" "CNC" vise
[20:08:17] <PetefromTn_> having had several different chines clone vises and used all sorts of high quality vises in pro shops around here I have come to the realization what while a kurt is certainly NOT cheap it is a bargain really for what you are getting.
[20:08:39] <ssi> I have a kurt dl430 double 4"
[20:08:42] <ssi> and I paid $250 for it
[20:08:48] <_methods> score there
[20:08:54] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: given the quality of my machine (old chinese crap, with substantial issues), I don't think a chinese vise is going to be the part I get most annoyed with.
[20:09:07] <PetefromTn_> I used to think that too...
[20:09:27] <fluffybitchx> heh. Well, I can always upgrade later.
[20:09:33] <PetefromTn_> but when you cannot rely on things gettting clamped straight or flat you quickly change your mind..
[20:09:56] <ssi> YEP
[20:10:00] <PetefromTn_> even on a piece of shit machine as long as the cutter is square to the work LOL
[20:10:04] <fluffybitchx> my machine doesn't seem to be straight or flat to start with... I think it was damaged more when it got forklift-bumped than the guy I bought it from said.
[20:10:32] <Rab> anarchos, what makes it "CNC"? There are precision machinist's or toolmaker's vises going down as small as you want.
[20:11:06] <anarchos> Rab: I just meant one of the ones marketed as "CNC". flat sides with the channel for clamping.
[20:12:00] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: I have the inverse problem. I can clamp my work quite square and straight with the table. I just can't get the rest of the machine to agree ;)
[20:12:07] <_methods> CaptHindsight: do you have one of the v series shars vises?
[20:12:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah well typically you can tweak the machine to cooperate even on a chinese machine
[20:12:41] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I have a few of the 690V
[20:13:07] <_methods> that's a good deal for sure
[20:13:09] <PetefromTn_> its a matter of degrees of frustration really LOL...
[20:13:54] <_methods> half the price of kurt
[20:14:05] <fluffybitchx> I just need a better machine... if I spot something better within my budget, I'm building a pretty nice control system, and can just move it to another machine...
[20:14:09] <_methods> the uR's look good for a real cnc machine
[20:14:16] <_methods> be nice to have front fixed jaw
[20:14:27] <FinboySlick> I still need to gather up about $30k and then I'll have a real house with a 25'x25' basement dedicated workshop.
[20:14:51] <CaptHindsight> I use the V's for big parts 24" apart
[20:14:58] <fluffybitchx> I wish I could afford a house. heh. that comes before milling toys.
[20:15:02] <Rab> anarchos, yeah, try looking for keyword 'toolmaker's vise'. Not finding anything specifically in 3", but that sounds like what you're looking for.
[20:15:30] <FinboySlick> fluffybitchx: Well, if you can come pick it up, you can have the old one when I'm done moving.
[20:15:50] <fluffybitchx> your house? heh
[20:16:19] <FinboySlick> Sure. You might have to take it appart to fit it down the street though.
[20:16:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kbctools.com/products/WORK%20HOLDING/VISES%20@@26%20ACCESSORIES/MILLING%20MACHINE%20VISES/3884.aspx look at the prices for Palmgren
[20:16:56] <Connor> I have this one.. http://www.shars.com/products/view/62/5x5x112quot_Lock_Down_Precision_Milling_Machine_Vise
[20:17:03] <Connor> it's okay.. but.. nothing to write home about.
[20:17:33] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: which Shars was a POS?
[20:17:39] <CaptHindsight> was/is
[20:17:43] <Connor> the 6" CNC
[20:17:56] <Connor> http://www.shars.com/products/view/69/6quot_Lock_CNC_Vise
[20:17:58] <Connor> that one.
[20:17:59] <__rob> is it likely to have different backlash on each axis
[20:18:04] <__rob> using the same parts
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[20:18:26] <__rob> Its measuring that way, and I am getting better result with backlash compensation
[20:18:29] <CaptHindsight> never tried or saw one of those there
[20:18:32] <__rob> but assumed they were both the same
[20:18:43] <Rab> anarchos, http://www.shars.com/products/view/105/Precision_Toolmakers_Vise_3quot
[20:18:55] <PetefromTn_> actually while that looks like it I paid a lot more than that for mine... maybe they changed it?
[20:19:19] <Connor> Shipping?
[20:19:34] <PetefromTn_> no I mean before shipping
[20:19:34] <Connor> I think that's been the price for a while now..
[20:19:39] <Connor> could have came down..
[20:19:44] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/products/view/148/3quot_x_5quot_Precision_Toolmakers_Vise
[20:19:49] <PetefromTn_> I think I paid like $199.99 for it plus shipping
[20:19:51] <_methods> 3"x5"
[20:20:17] <fluffybitchx> hrmm... I bet I could use a touch probe to map out how not-square our various machines are, then use the kinematics engine to compensate.
[20:20:22] <Connor> Not very much in the way of 5' vises out there.. 4 or 6..
[20:20:30] <Swapper> __rob: you will probably have less backlash on z then the other axies
[20:20:33] <Connor> err 5"
[20:20:35] <_methods> yeah 5 is kinda bastard size
[20:20:47] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tld/4884595369.html Kurt D-688 6.00" Machine Vise - $325
[20:20:50] <anarchos> Rab: yeah I looked at that one, $170 CAD though (versus $110 for the one i nought)
[20:20:50] <Connor> 4 is too small and 6 is too big on my machine..
[20:20:56] <cradek> fluffybitchx: you genreally can't measure your machine with itself
[20:21:33] <PetefromTn_> I have the Kurt D688 as well... excellent vise
[20:21:41] <_methods> yeah
[20:21:44] <_methods> hard to beat kurt
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[20:21:50] <FinboySlick> Oh wow, it's so tiny! :) http://www.shars.com/products/view/108/Precision_Toolmakers_Insert_Vise_1quot
[20:21:59] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tld/4839417612.html Kurt DC 600 C Double Locking Vise - $999
[20:22:06] <Rab> This is a godlike vise: http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/tls/4799906910.html
[20:22:10] <CaptHindsight> reduced from 1499
[20:22:12] <_methods> i had a bunch of doublelocks go bad and they sent me all new tightening assemblies
[20:22:18] <_methods> for free
[20:22:19] <fluffybitchx> the only kurts I've seen on ebay within my price range looked like they were used as backdrops for faking apollo photos...
[20:22:20] <PetefromTn_> I bet that bitch is really heavy LOL
[20:22:33] <anarchos> have you seen Orange vises?
[20:22:36] <anarchos> they look neat
[20:22:40] <_methods> yeah they're like chick
[20:22:44] <_methods> for production
[20:22:48] <PetefromTn_> they are highly regarded but NOT cheap
[20:22:52] <Swapper> fluffybitchx: haha
[20:22:56] <_methods> not cheap at all
[20:23:20] <_methods> i'm surprised there are no chinese knockoffs
[20:23:21] <PetefromTn_> honestly I think when I get some spare change I will get another D688
[20:23:44] <anarchos> $1199 with a sale price of "$call" for the 6" Orange.
[20:23:52] <PetefromTn_> and have two matched height vises that should handle 99 percent of my clamping needs
[20:24:24] <_methods> chick and orange make great tombstones
[20:24:27] <PetefromTn_> I will say the 8.8" opening PLUS the ability to swap the jaws for even more is really really nice..
[20:24:55] <_methods> well chick does
[20:25:04] <_methods> i'v never used an orange one
[20:25:11] <CaptHindsight> Hermann Schmidt Grinding Vise - $475 ? http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4881907172.html
[20:26:24] <CaptHindsight> https://www.hschmidt.com/productcart/pc/Precision-Grinding-Vise-4-Capacity-V0-4-15p213.htm
[20:26:44] <CaptHindsight> light and small for >$800
[20:26:50] <PetefromTn_> I can't get over that crinkle finish on the chines vise picture hehe
[20:27:10] <CaptHindsight> applied with a spatula
[20:27:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah heh
[20:27:23] <PetefromTn_> crazy
[20:27:36] <anarchos> lol
[20:27:52] <PetefromTn_> no offense man..
[20:28:09] <PetefromTn_> but it looks kinda funny
[20:28:12] <anarchos> none taken, it is pretty shitty :P
[20:28:39] <CaptHindsight> scares the chips away
[20:28:48] <_methods> well i'll be damned they do have chinese knockoff's of chick vises
[20:30:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah Chinese Chicks hehehe
[20:30:30] <_methods> hahaha
[20:30:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/voltera/voltera-your-circuit-board-prototyping-machine wow up to $260K already
[20:30:52] <ssi> I need to kickstart some bullshit
[20:30:57] <_methods> it's pretty sad when a cat card game can make like $4million in 2 days
[20:31:05] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:31:10] <_methods> and a cnc machine only gets like $250k
[20:31:15] <PetefromTn_> ssi AGREED!!
[20:31:44] <PetefromTn_> do they really get that much money? How the hell does that work?
[20:31:46] <CaptHindsight> I don't want to have a half assed product
[20:31:46] <anarchos> wow that's so cool
[20:31:51] <ssi> PetefromTn_: less 10%
[20:31:54] <CaptHindsight> but people don't seem to mind
[20:32:56] <PetefromTn_> so the kickstarter pages each actually get that much money less 10 percent in actual cash or what surely they have to pay it back at some point right? I don't understand how that whole thing works...
[20:32:56] <anarchos> we are living in a great time :P
[20:32:58] <anarchos> that's amazing
[20:33:37] <fluffybitchx> unfortunately, as much as I would like if the exploding kittens thing turned out to be an elaborate hoax, I don't think it is.
[20:33:38] <CaptHindsight> https://medium.com/@stevekreyos/the-rise-and-fall-of-kreyos-new-ac4e2d847964 this was the project that started the backlash
[20:33:47] <CaptHindsight> and that video game that was never released
[20:35:12] <CaptHindsight> "we are a marketing team without engineers"
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[20:35:41] <ssi> PetefromTn_: they don't have to pay anything back
[20:35:49] <ssi> PetefromTn_: presumably they should deliver what they promised in the campaign
[20:35:56] <ssi> but there's nothing stopping them from failing to do so
[20:37:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.inc.com/welcome.html?destination=http://www.inc.com/alex-daly/playbook-crowdfunding-indiegogo-or-kickstarter.html
[20:37:56] <fluffybitchx> CaptHindsight: sounds pretty typical for what I can tell about the honesty of chinese manufacturers.
[20:38:06] <anarchos> waahoo! spoke to the metal place again, got a different guy...they have 1x2" 6061 in stock, $11.something a foot with a 2 dollar cut fee per cut. Wonder why the last guy told me i had to buy a shit ton :P
[20:38:53] <anarchos> no 1x3 though :/
[20:39:36] <fluffybitchx> I got annoyed at the local place when they told me they'd sell me a 1x2ft piece of 1/2" plate for $30... and a $70 cut charge.
[20:40:03] <anarchos> i might as well head on down there today
[20:40:09] <anarchos> :D
[20:40:17] <anarchos> make sure that same guy is working :P
[20:40:45] <PetefromTn_> that is not a terrible price really.. I think you could get it a bit cheaper but if they have the lengths you need in stock and are willing to cut to length it is not bad.
[20:40:59] <PetefromTn_> bring a box of donuts...hehe
[20:41:10] <PetefromTn_> you might just get some stock for free LOL
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[20:41:18] <anarchos> that's a good idea.
[20:41:43] <PetefromTn_> sounds like that kreyos project got the royal screwing job...
[20:41:52] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, is there some easy way o distinguishing HSS from carbide?
[20:42:09] <LeelooMinai> Assuming it's not obvious.
[20:42:22] <PetefromTn_> usually carbide is a slightly greyer color and HSS is shinier
[20:42:32] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: the best part will be when the chinese factory starts selling them on ebay for half the wholesale cost.
[20:42:54] <fluffybitchx> LeelooMinai: carbide feels noticably heavier
[20:42:58] <LeelooMinai> Yes, that's why I put the "obvious" part. I usually can easily tell, but I have this endmill here and I am not sure.
[20:42:58] <cradek> LeelooMinai: it's enough heavier that you can just feel the difference
[20:43:42] <LeelooMinai> It's a small mill though - only 3.175mm
[20:43:57] <fluffybitchx> put it in a full cup of water, measure the overflow, look up a table of density of hss and carbide, weigh it, compare? :)
[20:43:59] <LeelooMinai> I could weight it, but not sure if that would map into anything tangible:)
[20:44:51] <anarchos> well, i'll be back later. metal time :D
[20:44:52] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: Or I could use that little scale for jewels I have that measures to some crazy precision:)
[20:45:14] <fluffybitchx> but that won't tell you the density. you have to measure or compute its volume too. :P
[20:45:22] <fluffybitchx> or compare to an identically-sized endmill of known composition.
[20:45:41] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: I was hoping for something less involved I guess
[20:46:22] <fluffybitchx> use it and see how long it takes to wear?
[20:46:27] <PetefromTn_> cut something hardish with it and if it burns up it is probably HSS LOL...
[20:47:24] <Swapper> try scratching a HSS tool with it ?
[20:47:41] <LeelooMinai> Wouldn't hss scratch hss though?
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[20:47:54] <Swapper> not as easily is my guess
[20:48:01] <Swapper> compare to a known carbide
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[20:48:40] <fluffybitchx> how about a spark test? I can't remember what carbide looks like.
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[20:48:50] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, it scratches HSS like it was butter
[20:49:18] <fluffybitchx> now try scratching it with hss
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[20:51:04] <LeelooMinai> Same:)
[20:51:14] <fluffybitchx> so it's probably hss then
[20:51:42] <LeelooMinai> BUt I meant that it scratches without effort
[20:52:02] <fluffybitchx> I usually identify carbide by weight... as soon as you pick it up, it just feels so much heavier.
[20:53:03] <LeelooMinai> I think I will try to find that tiny scale
[20:57:52] <fluffybitchx> bbl, working on my car then working on my mill.
[20:58:59] <fluffybitchx> car needs exhaust work, then trying to make my x axis leadscrew work.
[20:59:43] <LeelooMinai> Ok, it has 0.01g accuracy, let.s see:)
[21:00:05] <witnit> fluffybitchx, did you ever get pics of your leadscrew area, (i think i fel asleep after i asked yesterday)
[21:00:07] <LeelooMinai> 3.53g
[21:00:32] <fluffybitchx> witnit: once I got CNC working, the problem with Y is now obvious - bent leadscrew.
[21:00:35] <_methods> http://www.foodiggity.com/shop/cock-blocker-wine-stopper/
[21:00:53] <fluffybitchx> I couldn't see the wobble while the whole thing was wobbling as I hand-cranked it, but once it was motorized, the bend was obvious.
[21:00:58] <witnit> yeah, my next suggestion was to put an indicator on it
[21:01:09] <CaptHindsight> maybe an add-on for reprap with 4-5 nozzles, one for solder paste, conductive ink, insulator, adhesive and resistors
[21:01:18] <fluffybitchx> today I'm working on the X leadscrew, which has a quite substantial bend. heh.
[21:01:33] <_methods> reprap strapons lol
[21:01:46] <CaptHindsight> filament fetishists
[21:01:52] <_methods> strapon nozzles
[21:01:53] <witnit> are there any bridgeport reprap strapons out there?
[21:01:58] <witnit> CaptHindsight, ++
[21:01:59] <_methods> i pray not
[21:02:03] <LeelooMinai> No I should find density of HSS and carbide I guess
[21:02:07] <LeelooMinai> Now*
[21:02:10] <_methods> that's sacrilege of some unknown order
[21:02:33] <CaptHindsight> oh and nozzle 6 for hot air
[21:02:50] <fluffybitchx> witnit: http://fw.bushytails.net/bentleadscrew01.jpg is my X leadscrew.
[21:02:58] <witnit> hahaha bushytails
[21:03:07] <CaptHindsight> and it just needs to almost work
[21:03:31] <witnit> hahahah yeah i dont think you need an indicator, looks like bent during unloading
[21:04:11] <fluffybitchx> the good news is the actual screw part runs true, so even if straightening it utterly fails, I can just cut it on the unthreaded part and couple on fresh shaft. the thrust bearings are on the other end of the screw, nothing but torque on that end.
[21:04:23] <witnit> perfect
[21:04:56] <fluffybitchx> witnit: the story I got was it was hit by a forklift. looking at the damage, I think the part left off was "and then it fell off its stand onto a concrete floor".
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[21:05:50] <witnit> sounds about right,
[21:05:55] <fluffybitchx> that end of the shaft is inside the box with the pulleys... the bend was from the box being ripped off the side of the machine and the box hitting the shaft.
[21:06:24] <witnit> yeah weight of machine in motion would be plenty to fold that over :)
[21:06:51] <fluffybitchx> the y leadscrew is much less bent... just a few thousandths. I'll probably find the high spot and lever on it with a crowbar and a bit of aluminum angle to avoid thread damage, without removing it from the machine.
[21:07:26] <witnit> you got pics of the whole machine?
[21:07:44] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg
[21:07:56] <fluffybitchx> that pic is old... it's been cleaned up a bit and has steppers now. heh.
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[21:09:24] <fluffybitchx> bbl, I told someone I'd meet up with them to use their torch... mine is out of gas.
[21:09:47] <witnit> hey thats great, if you had a servo spindle you could do tapped holes around a hexagon without laying anything out
[21:09:55] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, got another Spyder accessory to make... a cup holder LOL
[21:10:05] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:10:29] <PetefromTn_> are you making them?
[21:10:33] <JT-Shop> I'm machining out some delrin clamps for a cup holder on the Spyder
[21:10:34] <JT-Shop> yea
[21:10:44] <JT-Shop> not the cup part, just the mount
[21:11:05] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
[21:11:17] <PetefromTn_> I need to come up with some more ideas for products myself
[21:11:40] <PetefromTn_> I have some things I want to try but I am always looking for new ideas.
[21:11:42] <JT-Shop> this one is for the passenger
[21:11:55] <Moronicsmurf> Custom milling paintball guns is ever popular around here.
[21:11:58] <PetefromTn_> The CNC lathe will be a big boon to me here once it is working
[21:12:03] <Moronicsmurf> seems to be pb players everywhere so.
[21:12:18] <witnit> JT-Shop, what do the clamps look like?
[21:12:52] <PetefromTn_> I don't know jack about paintball guns but I am an avid air gunner and Field target Competitor..
[21:12:54] <JT-Shop> I don't have a photo at the moment but it is two parts that clamp onto the passenger hand hold bar
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[21:16:08] <Moronicsmurf> PetefromTn_: well the tech is similar in both of em just diff. regulators.. but its cosmetic milling and anodizing they usuall want, removing materials for weight.
[21:16:28] <JT-Shop> if this works out, I'll need to make some fixtures to machine them
[21:16:36] <PetefromTn_> are you talking about modifying them or making them from scratch
[21:17:12] <Moronicsmurf> Modifying them usualy but sometimes making custom bodies have been asked for as well - i dont but they ask anyway.
[21:17:13] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop Nice man glad to hear you are going into production with it..
[21:17:28] <PetefromTn_> so you do this work?
[21:18:07] <Moronicsmurf> PetefromTn_: i mainly do mods on a manual mill actually, but there is others ive seen doing this and i get asked quite often for this types of jobs.
[21:18:30] <Moronicsmurf> sitting here mostly to see if you are dashing out insights into linuxcnc.. *cuz i burned my controller boards yesterday* ;D
[21:18:33] <PetefromTn_> hmm I don't even know anyone who shoots paintballl
[21:19:01] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: do you make any paintball gun parts?
[21:19:13] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, I did calculations and seems HSS is 8g/cm^3 and Carbide 15.6g/cm^3, I took 0.8 of the volume of the bit to account for flutes at the end, and got it almost spot on for the carbide density.
[21:19:30] <Moronicsmurf> CaptHindsight; we discussed potential biz oportunities. 09
[21:19:32] <Moronicsmurf> =)
[21:19:41] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight No actually I do not but if there is a good market for it I would make about anything LOL...
[21:20:05] <PetefromTn_> who did?
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[21:20:20] <CaptHindsight> I get contacted all the time for graphic and image anodizing on them
[21:20:35] <CaptHindsight> but I only sell the tech, not the service
[21:20:50] <PetefromTn_> I SO need to get anodizing going here.
[21:20:59] <PetefromTn_> they race shop guys have been asking about it too..
[21:21:23] <CaptHindsight> I used my anodize inks on 5 year old unsealed and it came out great
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[21:21:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know whenever I get a setup going I WILL be contacting you about your inks..
[21:21:48] <CaptHindsight> no sulfuric acid refresh needed
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[21:22:28] <CaptHindsight> maybe anodize ink markers for custom guns
[21:22:32] <PetefromTn_> even if it was just a little bit of income for when things are slow it would be worth it to me just to have the ability here to do a nice job..
[21:22:33] <Moronicsmurf> hmm around here we arent even allowed to buy sulfuric acid in the first place. *hmpf, sweden..*
[21:22:37] <CaptHindsight> you just draw freehand
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[21:23:05] <CaptHindsight> Moronicsmurf: how about old car batteries?
[21:23:23] <Moronicsmurf> you need to go to a recycle station or an authorized dealer to have em refilled.
[21:23:26] <roycroft> i can't find sodium hydroxide in local supermarkets any more
[21:23:34] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at the power supplies you told me about and I need to determine which one would work for the most reasonable price that is not a piece of junk..
[21:23:47] <roycroft> it's used in meth labs, so people can't be trusted with it any more
[21:23:49] <roycroft> and i need some
[21:23:57] <roycroft> so now i have to figure out how to buy it
[21:24:09] <Moronicsmurf> couldnt that be made?
[21:24:11] <roycroft> sulphuric acid is no problem to make
[21:24:22] <roycroft> i suppose i could make a lot of ashes
[21:24:59] <roycroft> er, sulphuric acid is no problem to buy, rather
[21:25:01] <Moronicsmurf> sodium hydroxide can be made from ordinary salt that isnt iodized if i remember my chem
[21:25:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chemistrystore.com/Chemicals_S-Z-Sodium_Hydroxide.html
[21:25:21] <roycroft> i haven't checked the home improvement stores yet
[21:25:27] <roycroft> they may still have it
[21:25:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chemistrystore.com/Chemicals_S-Z-Sodium_Hydroxide_Bead.html
[21:25:40] <roycroft> since it's a common drain opener
[21:25:52] <Moronicsmurf> hehe, i find those stores amusing, would i try to buy from them and ship here i would prob. get arrested :D
[21:26:05] <CaptHindsight> and used for making biodiesel
[21:27:12] <roycroft> yes
[21:27:32] <roycroft> in texas you have to have a permit to legally posess an erlenmeyer flask
[21:27:41] <roycroft> arguably even a glass stir rod
[21:27:56] <roycroft> so we're not as bad as texas in that regard
[21:28:09] <_methods> the chemistry set i had when i was a kid would probably land you in jail now
[21:28:12] <roycroft> funny, because texas touts itself as an anti-regulation state
[21:28:40] <Moronicsmurf> So anyone here ever tried connect a granite devices servo controller to a 7i48 analog interface and did it successfully. And if so, got a schematic? *having issues*
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[21:28:52] <Moronicsmurf> i shall add, its the Argon servo controller.
[21:28:56] <Nick001-shop> is there info on the tank layout and the rest of the anodizing process. All I seem to find is BS and directions to start buying someone's magical process.
[21:29:09] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: are you serious?
[21:29:51] <roycroft> i am serious
[21:29:52] <PetefromTn_> there will always be shitheads that make dangerous or addictive things out of everthing they can get their hands on. The fact that we have to regulate the things is a shame really. Pretty soon crayola crayons will be outlawed LOL
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[21:30:03] <roycroft> texas requires a permit to posess any chemistry lab apparatus
[21:30:10] <roycroft> because of teh meth
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[21:30:44] <roycroft> homebrewers have to get permits to buy flasks for making yeast starters
[21:30:55] <CaptHindsight> second prize, 2 weeks in Texas, first prize, 1 week in Texas
[21:31:08] <PetefromTn_> prize or penalty?
[21:31:15] <CaptHindsight> what load of crap then about how small guberment they are
[21:31:26] <CaptHindsight> too much regulation
[21:31:48] <PetefromTn_> I have been to Texas once.........once
[21:31:56] <roycroft> yet if you're a "business" you can build a dangerous chemical plant that is adjacent to a public school and not need a permit nor any inspections
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[21:32:08] <Moronicsmurf> Well you should visit sweden then you will find that your regulations is quite loose and easy going. =)
[21:32:11] <roycroft> of course, such a chemical plant would never blow up or anything
[21:32:19] <roycroft> oh, wait, that's happened twice in the past few years in texas
[21:32:37] <CaptHindsight> in China I can't ship liquids without a permit
[21:33:15] <CaptHindsight> but I can recycle oil from the sewer pipes and sell it for cooking oil
[21:33:28] <Moronicsmurf> yeah well why not..
[21:33:31] <Moronicsmurf> *cough*
[21:34:03] <CaptHindsight> I see all forms of different paranoia when traveling
[21:34:31] <CaptHindsight> what one country sees as a positive others find a threat
[21:34:40] <Moronicsmurf> last time when i imported epoxy from germany i had to pay crapton of extra because of chemical liquids.
[21:35:05] <Connor> Anyone know if C.L.R. would work on taking surface rust off of a vise or mill ?
[21:35:07] <roycroft> and the new governor is against even keeping a list of such chemical platns
[21:35:32] <roycroft> he says "if you want to know what businesses are doing, drive around, stop, and ask them"
[21:35:45] <CaptHindsight> heh
[21:35:53] <roycroft> yet if you're a private citizen you need a permit to own a beaker or flask
[21:36:59] <CaptHindsight> crony capitalism at its finest
[21:38:05] <CaptHindsight> is it difficult for a small business to obtain said license?
[21:38:21] <FinboySlick> Government doesn't write regulations, 'experts' do. Experts come from industry. Industry doesn't like competition.
[21:38:45] <CaptHindsight> but it's supposed to be a free market :)
[21:38:49] <CaptHindsight> waaahhh
[21:39:09] <Moronicsmurf> well there havent been a free market for a long time.
[21:39:33] <CaptHindsight> most people are lost by the time this conversation gets this far
[21:39:48] <CaptHindsight> 3+ nouns to remember
[21:39:52] <FinboySlick> Maybe there will be an opportunity when it all comes crashing down.
[21:40:31] <CaptHindsight> how about all the free cell phones the guberment gives out?
[21:40:46] <CaptHindsight> thats the #1 complaint I hear around here
[21:41:04] <CaptHindsight> how that is causing their taxes to increase
[21:41:09] <Moronicsmurf> free cells? why would they do that for other reason than spying?
[21:41:13] <FinboySlick> I mean, at some point it'll have to crash. If only because we've run out of space to write down the digits on the debt ;)
[21:42:13] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: the Chicago biys figured out how to do that in South American and Japan over the past 30-40 years
[21:42:20] <CaptHindsight> no crash
[21:42:44] <CaptHindsight> biys / boys
[21:43:47] <FinboySlick> Could be another 40. It's just that at the point where you borrow to cover interest payments... there's no way out.
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[21:45:54] <TekniQue> Swapper: this water brake is used to dyno test snowmobile engines
[21:46:20] <TekniQue> I have another bigger unit I use to dyno test car engines and snowmobiles that have more power than the average sports car
[21:46:55] <adb> pics
[21:47:11] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I know what you're saying, but now back to my machines...
[21:49:21] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Indeed. Better focus on doing something good ourselves than what others are doing wrong. Just sucks to have them in our way at every corner.
[21:54:44] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:59:43] <Connor> Anyone know if C.L.R. would work on taking surface rust off of a vise or mill ? Without damaging it??
[21:59:50] <TekniQue> adb: http://www.foo.is/albums/misc/2015_02_01_00_37_30.sized.jpg
[21:59:53] <Swapper> TekniQue: ahh ok
[22:00:01] <TekniQue> this is my full sized engine dyno
[22:00:11] <TekniQue> http://www.foo.is/albums/misc/2015_02_01_00_51_04.sized.jpg
[22:00:24] <_methods> Connor: don't spill it on your garage floor if you do lol
[22:00:27] <_methods> don't ask me how i know
[22:00:37] <Connor> Why? What does it do?
[22:00:46] <_methods> turned my concrete to dust
[22:00:53] <adb> TekniQue, cool,
[22:00:57] <Connor> Really ?
[22:00:59] <Connor> WTF?
[22:01:09] <_methods> yeah
[22:01:21] <witnit> clr, destroyer of rome
[22:01:35] <Swapper> TekniQue: looks real cool
[22:01:44] <_methods> yeah it ate up the concrete where i spilled it
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[22:04:12] <Connor> Can I clean cast iron with CLR?  No, CLR cannot be used on cast iron; the acids in CLR will react with the metal.
[22:04:20] <Connor> Guess that answers that.
[22:04:44] <CaptHindsight> try naval jelly
[22:04:58] <witnit> belly jelly?
[22:05:00] <Connor> WTF is that ?
[22:05:33] <CaptHindsight> https://metalworking-blacksmithing.knoji.com/naval-jelly-the-1-rust-remover/
[22:05:36] <PetefromTn_> I usually just try to rub some motor oil into it and leave it sit...then come back with a very soft grit pad to knock off the surface rust..
[22:06:00] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid
[22:06:04] <_methods> http://imgur.com/2HF5ZKo,qhYOXoi
[22:06:10] <_methods> clr left on concrete
[22:06:31] <Connor> damn
[22:06:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-16-fl-oz-Naval-Jelly-Rust-Remover-6-Pack-553472/203009402
[22:06:39] <_methods> yeah
[22:06:41] <Connor> How long was it on there ?
[22:07:11] <_methods> overnight
[22:07:25] <_methods> i had to repair my washing machine and cleaned the inner tub with clr
[22:07:32] <_methods> and it spilled onthe garage floor
[22:07:37] <_methods> i didn't think anything of it
[22:07:41] <_methods> until the next day lol
[22:08:36] <toast-work> Connor: vinegar.
[22:08:47] <toast-work> get a few gallons of vinegar and a big tupperware thing
[22:09:02] <Connor> I don't think the mill table will fit..
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[22:09:27] <_methods> hehe kiddie pool
[22:09:31] <Connor> Got some rust under the vise...
[22:09:46] <toast-work> oh, then hold pls
[22:09:52] <_methods> stone it
[22:10:19] <roycroft> just remember that any time you actually remove rust you're damaging the part
[22:10:32] <roycroft> if you can convert the rust back into metal you're better off
[22:10:40] <roycroft> there will be less loss that way
[22:11:02] <roycroft> electrolysis is probably the best way to conserve the integrity of a part
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[22:12:37] <tjb1> JT-Shop: everything good?
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[22:13:35] <PetefromTn_> we stoned the tables on the VMC's lightly all the time when there was a little bit of surface rust under the vise or whatever. They sell stones made for this.
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[22:14:34] <toast-work> Connor: sorry got disconnected
[22:14:41] <toast-work> you are looking for this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/
[22:14:48] <toast-work> except rather than a bucket
[22:14:50] <toast-work> you soak a rag
[22:14:53] <_methods> yeah i stone my table after every time i move vises
[22:15:43] <Connor> makes me want to remove the vise before I shut down or plan on not using the machine for a long time..
[22:15:55] <roycroft> that would be the thing to do
[22:16:00] <Connor> but, that's not realistic.. having to tram the thing every damn time.
[22:16:11] <roycroft> it seems counterintuitive to remove rust by putting a wet rag on it though :)
[22:16:14] <Connor> especially if you use soft jaws.
[22:17:08] <_methods> use a sub plate
[22:17:59] <Connor> I'm being OCD. I don't want rust.. but.. it's going to happen. Like getting a dent in your brand new car / truck..
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[22:18:50] <_methods> hehe put cosmolene under your vise
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[22:19:26] <Connor> Use oil instead of water soluble coolant.
[22:19:27] <Connor> :)
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[22:27:47] <JT-Shop> tjb1, not making much progress on it
[22:28:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: When you made your hoist, what (if any) references did you use to calculate everything ?
[22:29:49] <JT-Shop> used what I had
[22:29:56] <Jymmm> ...
[22:31:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: That's pretty ambiguous, I have no idea what you had.
[22:31:49] <witnit> lul
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[22:33:54] <Nick001-shop> JT-Shop - any particular grade of titanium you use for your anodize tank?
[22:34:32] <Connor> WTF... My kitchen sink supply lines go from 1/2 Copper to 3/4" umm.. Not sure.. not galvanized.. looks maybe chrome..
[22:34:46] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, I just used the materials I had on hand and did no calculations other than if it looks right it probably is
[22:35:07] <Connor> I may have to cut that out...
[22:35:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ah, so as far as weight capacity, you just went with what you knew?
[22:35:30] <_methods> JT-Shop: i'm sure zeeshan would disapprove of your willy nilly methods
[22:35:32] <_methods> lol
[22:35:57] <_methods> just doing something..........it's insanity
[22:36:05] <witnit> hahahhh
[22:36:19] <witnit> you all too funny
[22:36:41] <witnit> willy nilly methods hahaha
[22:36:47] <_methods> heheh
[22:36:52] <JT-Shop> Nick001-shop, I think it is just titanium http://anodizingracks.com/
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[22:37:30] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop gonna make a triple header? http://i.imgur.com/z0rXSbV.jpg
[22:38:05] <JT-Shop> I just want to get the board to move the extruder lol
[22:38:10] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:38:20] <Tom_itx> he's testing it there
[22:38:46] <_methods> unicorn shit
[22:38:57] <_methods> hahah
[22:39:14] <witnit> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MCn9lL94sxQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[22:39:17] <Nick001-shop> I was looking at building my own rack and I only found one company that has titanium strip and they're calling out type 1-4 alloy and dose it make any difference for anodizing?
[22:39:30] <JT-Shop> _methods, actually quite sound engineering, having seen many commercial hoists I just copied what I saw
[22:39:46] <Nick001-shop> dose/does
[22:39:58] <JT-Shop> I just got some ti wire from mcmaster
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[22:44:07] <Tom_itx> well i got my isolation board today, maybe i can get some controlled spindle movement this evening
[22:45:15] <witnit> we need a easy upload place for photos of and links to everyones builds, so they could upload and share in chat
[22:45:25] <Tom_itx> the relays are on a slow boat from china but at least it'll only be a month instead of a quarter since i beat their new year.
[22:45:27] <Moronicsmurf> imgur.com
[22:45:34] <Moronicsmurf> just start an account, share a shortlink
[22:45:37] <Tom_itx> imagebin
[22:45:43] <witnit> see look
[22:45:51] <witnit> two different places already
[22:45:56] <Tom_itx> i use my own server
[22:46:24] <witnit> need 1 that is a quick link post/upload by username
[22:46:52] <Moronicsmurf> yeah imgur allows you to ctrl+c directly into your account or just drag and drop to your gallery. =)
[22:47:05] <_methods> yeah
[22:48:19] <witnit> would a wordpress driven interface for managing imgur hosted photos/schematics/pdfs be usable
[22:48:38] <Moronicsmurf> this there is project themes for wordpress already
[22:48:40] <witnit> public and moderated posting methods
[22:48:58] <Tom_itx> you keep adding stipulations...
[22:49:05] <Moronicsmurf> i use wordpress on my own site, roughedge.se - but its the usual blog stream.
[22:49:17] <witnit> yeah but one would need a project which would include video, photo, pdf, compressed config filed etc
[22:49:31] <Moronicsmurf> well start one. ;)
[22:49:33] <_methods> isn't that called youtube
[22:49:41] <_methods> lol
[22:49:45] <witnit> ehh, yeah but how do you manage each host
[22:49:48] <witnit> for one project
[22:49:53] <Moronicsmurf> subdomains
[22:49:56] <Moronicsmurf> a multidomain setup
[22:50:02] <Moronicsmurf> its quite easy actually.
[22:50:18] <witnit> you cant imgur here and youtube there and pastebin in another spot, you need a project area
[22:50:59] <witnit> so you could list hardware, controls, software, then also have your photos and video close by without sending people individual links to all info
[22:51:10] <Moronicsmurf> you mean like; http://www.buildlog.net/
[22:51:50] <witnit> yep
[22:51:57] <witnit> thats what i mean :)
[22:52:00] <Moronicsmurf> copy paste. ;)
[22:52:46] <moorbo> what is a good way to create an image of my sdcard
[22:52:55] <moorbo> so if my rpi kills it, I don't have to go and redo everything
[22:53:03] <Moronicsmurf> what operating system u using?
[22:53:04] <roycroft> dd (1) - convert and copy a file
[22:53:20] <moorbo> dd if=/original of=/newthing.img
[22:53:21] <Moronicsmurf> dd is the easiest
[22:53:22] <moorbo> or whatever?
[22:53:29] <_methods> DD FTW
[22:53:45] <witnit> maybe
[22:53:48] <witnit> http://www.linuxweblog.com/dd-image
[22:53:48] <moorbo> osx is what I'm using
[22:53:50] <Moronicsmurf> yeah you can basicly use it to stream through a hardware device to somewhere else even. ;)
[22:53:52] <witnit> will help
[22:53:54] <roycroft> then use dd
[22:53:58] <Moronicsmurf> moorbo, so you have dd. =)
[22:53:58] <roycroft> which os x has
[22:54:04] <moorbo> yes :)
[22:54:11] <roycroft> because os x is unix
[22:54:16] <moorbo> thanks witnit
[22:54:21] <roycroft> it's just fancy unix
[22:54:27] <moorbo> yeah true that
[22:54:31] <witnit> just read some on dd
[22:54:41] <witnit> there is some other things in that link you do not need
[22:54:51] <witnit> if you just want to make an image of a drive
[22:55:05] <roycroft> plug the flash card into a usb card reader
[22:55:14] <roycroft> then mount will tell you the name of the device
[22:55:16] <roycroft> dd the raw device
[22:55:25] <witnit> click your heels three times....
[22:55:40] <Moronicsmurf> clicking heels would not help. ;)
[22:55:44] <Moronicsmurf> but typing correctly would
[22:55:45] <moorbo> dd if=/dev/diskX conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /someplaace/hda.img.gz
[22:55:46] <roycroft> i.e. if it's /dev/disk7 mounted on /Volumes/MyCard
[22:55:48] <moorbo> i'm guessing
[22:55:50] <moorbo> ?
[22:55:53] <roycroft> then dd if=/dev/rdisk7 of=file
[22:56:28] <moorbo> rad
[22:56:30] <moorbo> thanks for the help!
[22:57:06] <roycroft> if you have to restore do the opposite
[22:57:09] <roycroft> plug the card in
[22:57:20] <roycroft> dd if=file of=/dev/rdisk8
[22:57:33] <roycroft> or whatever the device name is at the time
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[22:57:46] <roycroft> which can vary, depending on what other usb devices you have mounted
[22:57:51] <moorbo> yeah for sure
[22:58:30] <moorbo> when following the archlinux install guide, does the partition stil have to be resized?
[22:58:38] <roycroft> but always use the raw device, i.e. /dev/rdisk7, and not the block special device, i.e. /dev/disk7
[22:58:43] <moorbo> or is that an artefact from the old install method
[22:59:16] <moorbo> as in alarm/rpi only sees 2gb
[22:59:35] <Moronicsmurf> well if you dd'ed a 32gb drive the file will be 32gb..
[22:59:43] <Moronicsmurf> if you dd a 2gb drive, it will be... <fill in>gb.
[22:59:54] <Moronicsmurf> so if you install expand, and the dd..
[23:00:03] <Moronicsmurf> it will be.. when restoring. =)
[23:00:35] <moorbo> I thought I was in archlinux-arc
[23:00:36] <moorbo> arm
[23:00:37] <moorbo> weird
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[23:00:48] <moorbo> I was wondering why there was activity
[23:00:57] <_methods> hahahha
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[23:11:34] <JT-Shop> dang cold weather
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[23:22:47] <JT-Shop> tjb1, any idea what the fan is for that came with my ramps kit?
[23:23:42] <tjb1> can use it for electronics or hotend
[23:24:21] <tjb1> JT-Shop: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1508153_10205167934453937_736673789926260631_n.jpg?oh=b19f36c0d555b539a39081b3a3c4b1e3&oe=555C9256&__gda__=1431175406_f436333e56e07ace6ae5bb6972f94aa2
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[23:29:15] <JT-Shop> make some kind of mount to go on top of the drivers?
[23:30:21] <JT-Shop> I got what looks like a piece of double stick tape just big enough to fit the heat sinks on. I assume peel one side and put all 6 of them on then cut apart
[23:31:27] <Tom_itx> if it's thermal bonding tape
[23:31:40] * JT-Shop tosses an extra log on the stove
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[23:32:08] <JT-Shop> it came with the heat sinks and is marked 3M
[23:32:09] <tjb1> JT-Shop: yes
[23:32:12] <Tom_itx> gonna work on my spindle a while i think
[23:32:16] <tjb1> stick to big chip
[23:33:01] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:33:37] <tjb1> JT-Shop: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypbmk4jyk2q9cpg/2014-04-13%2012.40.41.jpg?dl=0
[23:33:45] <tjb1> make it look like picture
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[23:35:14] <JT-Shop> ok, pictures are good!
[23:35:31] <JT-Shop> make them all random angles?
[23:35:33] <JT-Shop> just kidding
[23:35:49] <tjb1> joker eh
[23:36:33] <Cromaglious> ok... stupid question, how do I see pin status in linuxcnc?
[23:36:46] <JT-Shop> in Axis?
[23:37:18] <JT-Shop> tjb1, do I need to power the board somewhere when I use the smart lcd?
[23:37:29] <Cromaglious> trying to find which pin my home switches are showing up on
[23:37:45] <JT-Shop> Cromaglious, are you using the Axis GUI?
[23:37:47] <tjb1> you need to put the diode in place under X axis driver
[23:38:17] <Cromaglious> yes I am
[23:38:40] <JT-Shop> Machine > Show Hal Configuration add each pin to the watch window
[23:38:46] <JT-Shop> diode?
[23:39:14] <tjb1> http://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4#D1.2C_D2_-_Diodes
[23:39:55] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:40:10] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man it is pretty freakin' cold here today... I dunno what the actual temp is but the wind is a BITCH!
[23:40:31] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop make sure it's oriented the right way
[23:41:25] <JT-Shop> where does the 5v rail get the power if your not hooked up to the usb?
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[23:42:12] <tjb1> ramps
[23:42:14] <tjb1> through the diode
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[23:42:39] <Tom_itx> tjb1 even on a 24v system?
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[23:42:59] <Tom_itx> i can't remember... it's been too long for me
[23:43:04] <tjb1> thats why he got the taurino power
[23:43:06] <JT-Shop> D1 is installed
[23:43:13] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:45:11] <Cromaglious> JT-Shop, thanks looking now
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[23:48:02] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/Passenger%20Cup%20Holder/Cup%20Holder%20Prototype%2001.jpg
[23:48:23] * JT-Shop goes inside to heat up some chicken n dumplins
[23:48:32] <JT-Shop> thanks for the help
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[23:50:26] <tjb1> http://www.topyprecision.com/products/u_type_clips.aspx
[23:50:31] <tjb1> Anyone know where I can buy those
[23:50:43] <tjb1> Somewhere that doesnt require quotes and dealing with salesmen
[23:50:54] <Topy44> seriously? you just highlighted me over at #reprap a few minutes ago with that link :)
[23:51:18] <Tom_itx> tjb1 fastenal probably has them but...
[23:52:03] <tjb1> all I can find is the one with the nut attached
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[23:58:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-speed-nut-clips-fender-trim-PANHEAD-SHOVELHEAD-ELECTRAGLIDE-POLICE-COP-FL-/311292401408?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item487a791700&vxp=mtr
[23:59:04] <Tom_itx> those seem to have no screwhole
[23:59:40] <tjb1> barb might cause an issue
[23:59:44] <tjb1> I think they are called speed clips