#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-09

Back
[00:00:29] <LeelooMinai> I had to google them - what are they about? :)
[00:00:38] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/charger2.jpg had clutch screws. now has phillips.
[00:00:39] <LeelooMinai> Seems like you can turn them in only one dir?
[00:00:50] <fluffybitchx> google harder. :P
[00:00:50] <LeelooMinai> So what - one use screws? :)
[00:00:57] <fluffybitchx> those are not clutch screws.
[00:00:59] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: just use nonecludian shapes
[00:01:21] <LeelooMinai> Well, that's how clutches work though
[00:01:37] -!- mhaberler has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[00:01:38] <roycroft> so i have this for stubborn screws:
[00:01:41] <roycroft> http://www.shoptoolsforpros.com/media/catalog/product/cache/13/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/w/i/wivco-th28000-remover.jpg
[00:01:48] <fluffybitchx> http://www.classychevusa.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=588/prd588.htm
[00:01:57] <roycroft> the piece on the left attaches to an air chisel
[00:02:06] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, those are different
[00:02:10] <roycroft> you screw the handle into the threaded hole
[00:02:20] <roycroft> the red cap on top is where you put the screw bit
[00:02:29] <fluffybitchx> nice. I have the manual whack-with-a-hammer version.
[00:02:39] <roycroft> then you just start pounding on it with the air chisel and twist the handle
[00:02:46] <LeelooMinai> For clutch thoe came up: http://www.alcomet.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/h/ch_ss_a2.jpg
[00:02:47] <roycroft> i've never not been able to get a screw out with that
[00:03:04] <roycroft> and i've never broken one off while extracting it
[00:03:12] -!- rob_h has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[00:03:31] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@089144206129.atnat0015.highway.bob.at] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:03:39] <fluffybitchx> the case on my battery charger was about 30 clutch screws... last time I had it apart (rectifier upgrade), I used phillips to put it back together.
[00:03:40] <LeelooMinai> http://www.almproducts.co.uk/files/image/Screw%20Head%20types.jpg
[00:03:41] -!- asdfasd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[00:03:48] <LeelooMinai> The fourth one seems that evil kind:)
[00:04:18] <LeelooMinai> The fifth seems interesting
[00:04:27] <roycroft> i use a lot of those tamper-proof torx screws
[00:04:44] <roycroft> i have fiber vaults in the ground
[00:04:50] <fluffybitchx> the original rectifiers were selenium stacks, which failed long ago. then the 60A bridge failed. so I put in a 300A bridge. :P
[00:04:53] <roycroft> tweakers try to steal the fiber, thinking it's copper
[00:05:01] <LeelooMinai> lol
[00:05:20] <roycroft> the standard five-sided vault bolts don't stop them
[00:05:41] <LeelooMinai> You can always weld them shut:)
[00:05:42] <roycroft> so in addition to those, i had my vault lids designed with recessed hasps
[00:05:44] <roycroft> which i padlock
[00:05:45] <_methods> hahah
[00:05:52] <_methods> gonna go sell this glass
[00:05:57] <fluffybitchx> my suggestion would be to wrap the fiber in a shield wired to 10kv.
[00:06:02] <roycroft> and the cover that goes over the recess i attach with those tamper-proof torx screws
[00:06:18] <roycroft> in a really weird size that's almost impossible to get - i think it's t27
[00:06:26] <fluffybitchx> it's optical, so it won't care about a little bit of electrical noise in the area...
[00:06:37] <roycroft> guess what
[00:06:49] <LeelooMinai> Put a bear traps inside the boxes
[00:06:54] <roycroft> my vaults have never been broken into and my fiber has never been vandalized
[00:06:59] <roycroft> other fiber around town has been
[00:07:14] <roycroft> it costs me about $100/vault extra for the special lid
[00:07:21] <roycroft> it costs about $2750 to install a vault
[00:07:24] <roycroft> so that $100 is peanuts
[00:07:27] <fluffybitchx> there was a big problem with that near here a bit ago.... tweakers stealing fiber thinking it was copper.
[00:07:36] <LeelooMinai> If they are tweakers they may try to unscrwe them anyways and die of exhaustion after 10k turns
[00:07:48] <roycroft> they do try, leeloominai
[00:07:53] <roycroft> and they spend hours working at it
[00:08:01] <fluffybitchx> I think the best response to tweakers is to kill them quickly, not wait until they die of exhaustion.
[00:08:05] <roycroft> but with my three-barrier vaults they just move on to the easier ones
[00:08:10] <fluffybitchx> vaults with springguns would be nice.
[00:08:21] <roycroft> you can't buy five-sided sockets at a hardware store
[00:08:39] <roycroft> tweakers do not have the wherewithall to order them from a proper supplier
[00:08:51] <roycroft> so they will spent hours with whatever they can find trying to twist those things off
[00:08:53] <LeelooMinai> They could just dremel the heads off probably:)
[00:09:02] <roycroft> tweakers do not have dremel tools
[00:09:06] <roycroft> they have rocks
[00:09:09] <roycroft> and they have needles
[00:09:13] <roycroft> and shopping carts
[00:09:20] <LeelooMinai> Right, I guess they are not very sophizticated in the tool department
[00:09:25] -!- koo5 [koo5!~sirdancea@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:09:26] <LeelooMinai> s*
[00:09:34] <fluffybitchx> rocks in their heads and needles in their arms.
[00:09:42] <roycroft> any money they get goes towards their next fix
[00:10:51] * roycroft heads back out to the shop
[00:10:57] <fluffybitchx> well, so far so good. my power supply has been on for a while and nothing except the bleeder resistor is hot.
[00:11:17] <XXCoder> whats bleeder resistor do
[00:11:21] <fluffybitchx> and the pink led is still working, although it's turned slightly purpleish. :P
[00:12:06] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: the capacitor I used has a very low self-discharge rate. the bleeder resistor just wastes power so the system doesn't stay live even after the power is turned off.
[00:12:17] <XXCoder> ahh
[00:12:30] <fluffybitchx> when I tested it, after about an hour, the 60v had only dropped to 50v...
[00:12:43] <fluffybitchx> which is impressively good, imho.
[00:12:47] -!- adb has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[00:12:48] <XXCoder> very large resistor value so it will bleed all charge off evenually
[00:13:46] <fluffybitchx> 1.2K 10W
[00:15:38] <fluffybitchx> I'm actually quite impressed how slowly this cap self-discharges.
[00:15:57] <XXCoder> more effecient I'd guess
[00:16:39] <fluffybitchx> one of these days I'll upgrade that battery charger to include voltage regulation... if I'm bored. heh.
[00:17:45] <LeelooMinai> tm32 swo speed
[00:17:58] <LeelooMinai> oops, sorry
[00:19:07] <PetefromTn_> chillin' out watching the machine make parts makes me smile...
[00:20:08] <fluffybitchx> only my sherline makes parts... too many projects left on my new one.
[00:20:22] <fluffybitchx> and my sherline doesn't really make parts... it makes very small parts.
[00:20:57] <PetefromTn_> I know they are nice little machines but I cannot imagine what I would do with one
[00:21:35] <fluffybitchx> someday I'll have a need to make small things. :P
[00:22:08] <PetefromTn_> really enjoying this vacuum clamping stuff
[00:22:28] <jdh> using a HF pump?
[00:22:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[00:22:41] <jdh> nifty
[00:22:42] <PetefromTn_> working really good so far
[00:22:58] <PetefromTn_> it
[00:23:02] <jdh> was that some specific pattern in the plates or just something you made up?
[00:23:05] <PetefromTn_> it's so quiet
[00:23:16] <PetefromTn_> the engraving"
[00:23:20] <fluffybitchx> if you're using the one for hvac work, be sure to keep on top of the oil.
[00:23:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah got plenty of oil now
[00:25:28] <fluffybitchx> mmm, a lunch of fresh pineapple and lead-tainted gingersnaps. time to get back to work.
[00:25:41] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/lo273p4 Need some nema 7's for the conversion.
[00:26:09] <PetefromTn_> heh
[00:26:32] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that not having a lathe here is REALLY SUCKING ASS!!
[00:26:42] <fluffybitchx> nah, nema17 should be a good match.
[00:26:54] * fluffybitchx has never seen a 7, but figures it must be tiny
[00:26:57] <jdh> go buy a HF 10x
[00:27:16] <PetefromTn_> naah gonna just get this new CNC lathe going as soon as possible.
[00:27:21] <PetefromTn_> Can't freakin' wait
[00:27:42] <PetefromTn_> I spent the whole day cleaning up my shop today
[00:27:56] <jdh> I could spend a day or two doing that.
[00:28:02] <jdh> but, I biked all w/e
[00:28:02] <PetefromTn_> I went thru my drill index and spare drills and found the stuff I could not find for weeks now
[00:28:13] <Tom_itx> you'll feel bad now when you mess it up
[00:28:17] <fluffybitchx> lol
[00:28:19] <PetefromTn_> also organized a lot of my spare fasteners.
[00:28:21] <jdh> heh, I have a spot I put drills that I don't put back in the index
[00:28:26] <PetefromTn_> probably LOL
[00:28:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too and it started to have more drills than the index ;P
[00:28:46] -!- mozmck has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[00:29:19] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@67.210.159.245] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:29:20] <fluffybitchx> at my last place, I painted TOOLS in big letters on one shelf, for putting tools that needed to be properly reshelved.
[00:29:20] <PetefromTn_> I must say this little 1/4 inch 2 Flute fastenal endmill leaves a nice finish for a cheapass cutter..
[00:30:07] <fluffybitchx> I even did it all fancy, using four layers of paint, with printed-and-cut paper letters to mask... a red shelf with the letters in metallic silver.
[00:30:09] <Tom_itx> i try to replace the bad ones in the holder in an ongoing basis
[00:30:26] <fluffybitchx> and for about two days, I could see the writing! then I never saw it again, under the pile of unsorted tools. :P
[00:30:30] <Tom_itx> i have a short set and a full set... the short set is for everyday
[00:30:43] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[00:30:44] <Tom_itx> the good set is for 'projects'
[00:30:57] <fluffybitchx> I don't have a drill index. I have random piles of drills, including a 50cal ammo can about half full of them...
[00:31:06] <Tom_itx> and a box full that could end up as centerpunches
[00:31:26] <PetefromTn_> hehe center punches LOL
[00:31:43] <Tom_itx> i've made recess tools from some of them for the lathe
[00:31:52] <zeeshan|2> is the only difference between npn and pnp transistors
[00:31:56] <Tom_itx> whatever odd tool i may need...
[00:31:58] <zeeshan|2> the direction of current flow between e - c
[00:32:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I know I have ground a tons of custom cutters over the years
[00:33:04] * fluffybitchx hasn't, never having a good lathe
[00:33:17] <Tom_itx> ok i need to get after this drive inhibit logic..
[00:33:38] -!- KimK_laptop has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[00:33:50] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Kick it's ass man
[00:34:03] <Tom_itx> it's working
[00:34:15] <Tom_itx> but i want one relay to fire before the other one
[00:34:24] <Tom_itx> so i need to add a delay to it
[00:34:40] <fluffybitchx> or use a timer relay.
[00:34:47] <Tom_itx> naw, hal can do it
[00:35:10] <PetefromTn_> hal's yer pal
[00:35:13] <fluffybitchx> ah, I thought you were running them off a single signal.
[00:35:15] <Tom_itx> i just need to fix my bit file, grab the direction signal from somewhere else and put a delay after it
[00:35:44] <Tom_itx> it would probably be fine as it is
[00:35:55] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: motion.spindle-forward
[00:35:58] <Tom_itx> but there's .3ms delay in the wrong order of the signals
[00:36:29] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 possibly but i need to detach the fwd/rev from the hostmot2 driver first
[00:36:45] <Tom_itx> and pick it up somewhere else
[00:37:44] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get some kinda buzzer or something that I can make linuxCNC alert me to when a program is finished or to remove drop or something,,,
[00:37:59] -!- ejb has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…]
[00:38:08] <PetefromTn_> it would make for a LOT more TV time...
[00:38:32] <fluffybitchx> make it run the cutter into something noisy and expensive?
[00:38:40] <Tom_itx> use an Mcode to fire a pin for it PetefromTn_
[00:38:57] <Tom_itx> pretty darn easy if you ask me
[00:38:59] -!- KimK_laptop [KimK_laptop!~Kim@ip68-102-30-143.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:39:14] <jdh> could flash a screen button also
[00:39:50] <Tom_itx> he wouldn't see it
[00:39:51] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7318/16475943395_9dd957d9f0_h.jpg
[00:39:56] <Tom_itx> he'd be too busy watching tv
[00:39:59] <zeeshan|2> can someone guess what that 8 pin ic is for
[00:40:37] <zeeshan|2> this is a power supply
[00:40:45] <mozmck> zeeshan|2: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_4/1.html
[00:40:52] <Tom_itx> maybe part of a smps supply?
[00:41:00] <zeeshan|2> mozmck: ive read a book regarding bjt
[00:41:10] <zeeshan|2> thats why im trying to ask here to ensure i understood it right
[00:41:24] <Tom_itx> there's no choke near it though
[00:41:26] <Tom_itx> so it's not that
[00:41:29] <fluffybitchx> ... do you seriously have ANOTHER board with ground off chips?
[00:41:33] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: ROFL
[00:41:40] <zeeshan|2> its the power supply of the drives
[00:41:48] <zeeshan|2> ive testedf most of the components so far
[00:41:53] <zeeshan|2> i know the mosfets are fried
[00:41:58] <zeeshan|2> everything else checks out
[00:42:01] <zeeshan|2> just not sure about this ic either
[00:42:20] <zeeshan|2> i think these chips are switching the mosfets
[00:42:28] <fluffybitchx> this is the shunt regulator?
[00:42:29] <Tom_itx> are those 5 regs splattered around it?
[00:43:06] <Tom_itx> or small mosfets...
[00:43:21] <fluffybitchx> could be opamp, comparator, a dedicated shunt regulator control ic,...
[00:43:30] <fluffybitchx> draw a schematic and see what would make sense
[00:44:24] <zeeshan|2> posting a better pic
[00:44:52] <zeeshan|2> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8683/16292181407_77c7aec609_h.jpg
[00:45:11] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7438/16476340241_eba45043f4_h.jpg
[00:45:19] <zeeshan|2> ive tested all the resistors, caps
[00:45:24] <zeeshan|2> bridge rectifier
[00:45:31] <zeeshan|2> the mosfets are bad
[00:45:34] <mozmck> zeeshan|2: well, the direction of current in the base is different too. Practically that means that you typically need a positive voltage on the base of a NPN to turn it on, and ground on the base of a PNP to turn it on.
[00:46:03] <fluffybitchx> I don't know what could have blown the shunt regulator unless you overvolted the supply or blew the bridge.
[00:46:11] <zeeshan|2> bridge is fine
[00:46:15] <zeeshan|2> its outputting 170vdc
[00:46:20] <zeeshan|2> almost
[00:46:54] <zeeshan|2> im not sure of those two black diodes
[00:46:55] <zeeshan|2> are okay too
[00:47:02] <zeeshan|2> if they are indeed diodes.
[00:47:59] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: all i did was plug in this supply to a known shorted drive
[00:48:00] <zeeshan|2> remember? :D
[00:48:05] <zeeshan|2> thats when it stopped outputting 170vdc
[00:49:03] <fluffybitchx> and, as I said, I don't know why that blew it... unless it was just miller capacitance or something stupid.
[00:49:12] <zeeshan|2> i just compared the be25a20ac vs be25a20 (no internal supply)
[00:49:27] <zeeshan|2> and oure right the ac version has a builtin shunt regulator circuit, bultin brake/shunt regulator
[00:49:31] <zeeshan|2> and internal brake/shunt resistor
[00:49:49] <zeeshan|2> i guess thats what that 50 ohm 50 watt resistor is
[00:50:03] <zeeshan|2> er 10ohm , 50w
[00:50:44] <fluffybitchx> yes
[00:51:03] <zeeshan|2> you know the spec sheet for the irfp250 mosfet
[00:51:15] <zeeshan|2> says V_dss = 200V
[00:51:28] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx you're probably right heh
[00:51:42] <zeeshan|2> (drain to source voltage)
[00:51:44] <fluffybitchx> not much of a margin for error, which is fitting with the rest of the drive.
[00:51:45] <zeeshan|2> so you're right.
[00:51:50] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely need some kinda LOUD buzzer so I can hear it over Star Trek LOL
[00:51:54] <zeeshan|2> a 240v overvoltage could have fried it
[00:52:10] <zeeshan|2> maybe that is actualy what happened?
[00:52:19] <zeeshan|2> and the only reason i didnt notice the mosfet frying
[00:52:23] <zeeshan|2> is because my cc fuse reacted quickly
[00:52:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 are those tiny ones mosfets?
[00:52:41] <zeeshan|2> but when i removed this supply and plugged it to the load without the fuse
[00:52:43] <Tom_itx> maybe that 8leg is an opto
[00:52:45] <zeeshan|2> it faked it
[00:52:52] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nahh
[00:52:56] <zeeshan|2> the big ass things are the mofsets
[00:53:03] <zeeshan|2> with the shiney surface
[00:53:44] <zeeshan|2> so lets hypothesize here
[00:53:51] <zeeshan|2> a small 240v transient overvoltage
[00:54:22] <zeeshan|2> passes through the mosfets, but doesnt completely burn them, but that overvoltage also means 240vac * 1.414 = 339 V dc
[00:54:24] <zeeshan|2> makes it to the direct
[00:54:27] <zeeshan|2> *drive
[00:54:34] <zeeshan|2> causes something to explode in there which causes a short circuit
[00:54:48] <zeeshan|2> the cc fuse quickly blows up preventing much more current from passing through the mosfet
[00:55:16] * zeeshan|2 shrugs
[00:56:07] <zeeshan|2> actually t hat doesnt make sense
[00:56:25] <zeeshan|2> cause wouldnt the feedback circuit switching the mosfets limit the voltage
[00:57:04] <PetefromTn_> I thought you already determined that the motor was bad?
[00:59:00] -!- zeitue has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[00:59:17] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/08/americas/brazil-prison-break-seduction/index.html Priceless
[01:03:54] <_methods> better call saul
[01:04:29] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@subaru.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:04:33] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@subaru.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:05:45] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Client Quit]
[01:07:12] <fluffybitchx> ?
[01:07:32] <LeelooMinai> From breaking bad?
[01:09:02] -!- Nick001-shop has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]]
[01:09:26] -!- mhaberler has quit [Quit: mhaberler]
[01:10:36] <malcom2073> I wonder how much the knee on this mill weighs... wonder if my engine crane can lift it.
[01:10:58] <malcom2073> How much does one weigh on a bridgeport?
[01:10:59] * fluffybitchx has heard of breaking bad, but never watched it
[01:11:18] -!- zeitue [zeitue!~z@67.221.132.192] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:12:49] <zeeshan|2> haha nice
[01:14:10] <fluffybitchx> malcom2073: I doubt nearly as much as an engine.
[01:14:18] <fluffybitchx> how much does the entire mill weigh?
[01:14:25] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: 1.5 ton
[01:14:35] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: yours is prolly around 3000lb
[01:14:49] <zeeshan|2> a regular bridgeport j head
[01:14:51] <zeeshan|2> is round 2400lb
[01:14:58] <fluffybitchx> ok, and your engine crane is rated for... 2 tons?
[01:14:58] <malcom2073> Looking through the manual, maybe they list this stuff somewhere
[01:15:04] <tjb1> JT-Shop: jthornton
[01:15:12] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: from where to where are you trying t ogo
[01:15:13] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: At full extension, 500lbs
[01:15:22] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I'm trying to remove the knee
[01:15:23] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: it should be .5 ton
[01:15:23] <malcom2073> from the mill
[01:15:23] <fluffybitchx> do you need it at full extension?
[01:15:25] <zeeshan|2> thats 1000lb
[01:15:32] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: To get it high enough to remove the knee, I believe so
[01:16:07] <zeeshan|2> the knee prolly weighs 300lb
[01:16:14] <zeeshan|2> maybe 400
[01:16:24] <malcom2073> it's a bit bigger than a bridgeport knee, just eyeballing it
[01:17:19] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: You see the pictures of how I got it loaded?
[01:17:24] <zeeshan|2> no
[01:17:25] <zeeshan|2> link
[01:18:07] <malcom2073> Used this: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image001.jpg to do this: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image025.jpg
[01:18:24] <malcom2073> Wound up pulling the ram off before I loaded it on the trailer, used the crane to put both pieces on the trailer, worked so smooth
[01:18:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:18:43] <zeeshan|2> thats a mad max style truck
[01:18:44] <zeeshan|2> i love it
[01:18:47] <zeeshan|2> fuck i want one of those
[01:18:50] <zeeshan|2> that is SO BAD ASS
[01:18:54] <malcom2073> That thing is amazing,
[01:19:00] <zeeshan|2> id go off roading with it
[01:19:08] <malcom2073> Haha, it's soooo slow
[01:19:15] <malcom2073> And weighs 8 ton
[01:19:17] <malcom2073> just by itself
[01:19:18] <zeeshan|2> v8?
[01:19:25] <malcom2073> 4 cylinder, hydraulic drive system
[01:19:31] <zeeshan|2> needs a ls1
[01:19:32] -!- norias [norias!~jm@2601:7:9800:df14:ddc0:da19:f89:5e38] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:19:34] <zeeshan|2> v8 power
[01:19:38] <malcom2073> Needs a couple v8's
[01:19:47] <zeeshan|2> i love the look of it dude
[01:20:14] <malcom2073> Me too, I asked him if he'd sell it, it's already spoken for :(
[01:20:33] <zeeshan|2> rotate your mill head out of the way obviously
[01:20:38] <fluffybitchx> I'm planning on putting a crane on my pickup, but I think it's only rated for 3600lbs or 3200lbs, don't remember which, with the boom in and up...
[01:20:40] <malcom2073> It doesn't rotate
[01:20:51] <zeeshan|2> put it to the 1 ton seting of your engine hoist
[01:20:53] <zeeshan|2> should come out
[01:20:57] <zeeshan|2> legs will go around the mill
[01:21:08] <malcom2073> You think it'll be tall enough at the 1 ton setting?
[01:21:13] <malcom2073> The ram is off of the mill atm
[01:21:15] <malcom2073> so I have tons of space
[01:21:16] <zeeshan|2> yea
[01:21:17] <zeeshan|2> keep the chain short
[01:21:22] <Tom_itx> is red or yellow a 'high' in hal show?
[01:21:30] <Tom_itx> red?
[01:21:31] <zeeshan|2> red is off
[01:21:35] <zeeshan|2> yellow is high
[01:21:39] <zeeshan|2> on
[01:21:44] <Tom_itx> it should be red and green!
[01:21:46] <fluffybitchx> ... who the hell thought that color scheme up? lol
[01:22:01] <zeeshan|2> some people are color blind
[01:22:04] * Tom_itx lightly smacks the developers
[01:22:07] <zeeshan|2> my buddy cant see between red or green
[01:22:13] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image027.jpg How it sits now, once I get the table off I'll have tons of room
[01:22:19] <malcom2073> table and that Y motor heh
[01:22:24] <zeeshan|2> he intreprets it from the position of the lights
[01:22:32] <Tom_itx> well i think this is gonna work good
[01:22:47] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: you should be able to slide that table off
[01:22:50] <fluffybitchx> red and yellow is just as indistinguishable as red and green.
[01:22:51] <zeeshan|2> do you have a rolling cabinet?
[01:22:54] <Tom_itx> need to synthesize a new bit file and polish up the code a bit...
[01:23:06] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:23:07] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Nah, was gonna use the crane with an engine leveler to let me slide the table smoothly off
[01:23:12] <zeeshan|2> ah
[01:23:18] <malcom2073> figured I'd bolt to the T slot heh
[01:23:26] <zeeshan|2> machine looks not bad at all dude
[01:23:30] <zeeshan|2> needs a bitch of scotbriting
[01:23:34] <zeeshan|2> most of that looks like surface rust
[01:23:40] <malcom2073> Yeah, I got a couple gallons of evap-o-rust on order,
[01:23:46] <malcom2073> it's ALL surface rust, except the *top* of the knee
[01:23:46] <fluffybitchx> I need some kind of busbar with .250 disconnects... my fuse holder has .250 tabs, and I'd like to do the same with the grounds... but can't find one.
[01:23:46] -!- anarchos22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[01:23:46] -!- anarchos2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[01:23:51] <malcom2073> like, the top of the knee ways
[01:23:59] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: .250 disconnects ?
[01:24:08] <zeeshan|2> link of fuse holder?
[01:24:26] <fluffybitchx> radio shack one that holds four glass fuses
[01:24:26] -!- anarchos2 [anarchos2!~mike@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:24:35] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[01:25:19] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: when you get to see this message, i wanted to ask your opinion on this. moving from l2 to l1 seems to have fixed things, but why did my vfd that was on l2 not blow up
[01:25:27] <fluffybitchx> I was going to use blade fuses, but they're only 32V, not 60V...
[01:25:47] <fluffybitchx> you've connected your motor and your z axis is working?
[01:25:50] <zeeshan|2> no
[01:25:53] -!- anarchos [anarchos!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:25:59] <PetefromTn_> is that a series 2?
[01:26:06] <zeeshan|2> im just trying to get his opinion on why he doesnt thing the vfd didnt blow
[01:26:10] <zeeshan|2> *think
[01:26:25] <fluffybitchx> because the vfd isn't hooked up to a blown motor? :)
[01:26:29] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:26:33] <zeeshan|2> but the motor isn't bl own!
[01:26:50] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: http://cooper-bussmann.com/uploads/spec-pics/201304/cooper-bussmann-Compact-Modular-Fuse-Holders-comb-bus-bar.jpg
[01:26:54] <zeeshan|2> i use that
[01:26:57] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if you can make it work.
[01:27:00] * fluffybitchx has no idea what's blown
[01:27:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 he somewhat explained that yesterday...
[01:27:25] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i missed it i guess?
[01:27:27] <Tom_itx> the load dipping L2
[01:27:32] <Tom_itx> zlog
[01:27:33] <zlog> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-02-08.html
[01:27:37] <Tom_itx> 07
[01:28:01] -!- kwallace has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[01:28:10] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: yes, that's the fancy industrial bits way.
[01:28:33] <zeeshan|2> the pitch on that bus bar is .70" though
[01:28:34] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[01:28:50] <fluffybitchx> I got a $3 fuse holder.
[01:28:58] * fluffybitchx is not wealthy
[01:29:01] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: load dipping l2?
[01:29:09] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i got my shit from ebay
[01:29:17] <zeeshan|2> $15 for 20 cc fuse holders
[01:29:17] <Tom_itx> lemme see if i can find it
[01:29:18] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[01:29:28] <zeeshan|2> the fuses cost more!
[01:29:45] <norias> hmm
[01:29:54] <norias> radio shack filed for chapter 11
[01:30:02] <fluffybitchx> I probably should be using enclosed fuse holders... these are open ones more suitable for 12v stuff.
[01:30:13] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: ive seen enough open fuse holders
[01:30:14] <zeeshan|2> that are 600v
[01:30:16] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:30:16] <norias> i thought for sure with this whole "maker movement" that they were in the clear
[01:30:18] <Tom_itx> [22:27:03] <pcw_home> think of the big thump you get from multiple drives switching on on L1 charging their
[01:30:18] <Tom_itx> [22:27:04] <pcw_home> filter capacitors and pulling neutral down for 30ms or so when the contactor switches,
[01:30:18] <Tom_itx> [22:27:05] <pcw_home> nicely frying the drive on L2
[01:30:20] <zeeshan|2> look up class j fuse holders
[01:30:40] <malcom2073> Heh, manual doesn't say part weights
[01:30:42] -!- tjtr33 [tjtr33!~tjtr33@d47-69-239-176.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:30:53] amnesic is now known as amnesic_away
[01:30:57] <fluffybitchx> did you ever do that neutral resistance test?
[01:31:03] <zeeshan|2> no
[01:31:10] <zeeshan|2> whats a neutral resistance test
[01:31:12] <zeeshan|2> i might have done it
[01:31:24] <zeeshan|2> measuring neutral to ground from the connect of the drive?
[01:31:32] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[01:31:33] <zeeshan|2> ground = earth
[01:31:47] <Tom_itx> sky = lightening
[01:32:07] <PetefromTn_> makum big thunder hehe
[01:32:08] <fluffybitchx> connecting all the largest loads you have to L1, and measuring the voltage between N and GND. (or N and L2)
[01:32:15] <fluffybitchx> space heater, etc
[01:32:15] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: those sentence pcw wrote
[01:32:19] <zeeshan|2> dont register in my brain for some reason lol
[01:32:26] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:32:40] <Tom_itx> you were flustered
[01:33:11] <zeeshan|2> hes basically saying while the caps charge asap i switch on the l1 drives
[01:33:17] <fluffybitchx> I got a nice blade fuse holder that even has a busbar... but I don't know if using 32V fuses on 60V is a good idea. they don't have that long of an arc gap...
[01:33:26] <zeeshan|2> something happens to neutral
[01:33:33] <zeeshan|2> which fries the drive
[01:33:56] <fluffybitchx> I don't think that would happen with a non-defective neutral, which is why I suggested a neutral test.
[01:34:53] <zeeshan|2> i have measured continuity from neutral of the drive connector to earth bus bar in the enclosure
[01:35:24] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: have you seen what happens when you put 100v
[01:35:29] <zeeshan|2> on a 12v fuse
[01:36:02] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzIvgC09ji8
[01:36:04] <zeeshan|2> nm 250v
[01:36:05] <fluffybitchx> no, and by using properly rated fuses, I hope not to. :P
[01:36:36] <zeeshan|2> plasma baby!
[01:37:25] <Tom_itx> ok if i'm not using the direction pin does it matter if the motion.spindle-speed-out is positive or negative?
[01:37:31] -!- Crom_ [Crom_!~Robi@172.56.40.252] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:37:41] <Tom_itx> i'm switching the direction pin manually
[01:38:17] <zeeshan|2> who knows :P
[01:38:26] -!- jerryitt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[01:38:27] <Tom_itx> i will eventually...
[01:38:33] <Crom_> Converted the nt65 to dip switch step setup
[01:38:49] <Tom_itx> i think i will leave it in it's natural state and pass it happily on it's way
[01:40:08] <Crom_> Screwed first time... Switched the clock line instead of M1
[01:41:53] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: seems like they managed to fail miserably at blowing things up.
[01:41:57] <Crom_> Now waiting for the limit swtches
[01:41:58] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:42:05] <zeeshan|2> they managed to blow up fuses though!
[01:42:26] -!- new2cnc [new2cnc!1b7fc172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.27.127.193.114] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:43:46] <fluffybitchx> at least they didn't do the brianiac science abuse thing and stick explosives in it and pretend it was what actually happened.
[01:44:10] <Crom_> Hmmm fuses... Remind i need to go NAPA Autoparts and get some resetable fuses
[01:44:43] <fluffybitchx> I'm using 250V glass fuses... I'm sure that's 250VAC, but they're probably better than 32v blade fuses...
[01:45:14] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Good action shot if the guy I bought it from running the crane: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10904398_839988309398809_6502113110778006298_o.jpg
[01:45:34] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: The look on his face, is because the rear wheels of the crane had just come off the ground, and he pulled the mill closer to set back down :)
[01:45:42] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:46:37] <malcom2073> Fun fact: That guy is one of the first EMC2 guys
[01:47:20] <zeeshan|2> poor mill
[01:47:21] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a really fun nice machine for a retrofit. Good luck with it man
[01:47:23] <zeeshan|2> at least its found a good home
[01:47:24] <zeeshan|2> :)
[01:47:40] <zeeshan|2> try not to buy amc drives
[01:47:42] <Crom_> Those are the nicest little cranes, nice deck you can then set the lift on the deck, strap it down and drive it where you need it
[01:47:43] <zeeshan|2> i need a stack of them
[01:47:46] <malcom2073> It ran EMC2 with a servo2go card years ago, the retrofit is going to be the easy part. Refurbing it, is not heh
[01:48:47] <fluffybitchx> http://www.networkintl.com/contents/auction/QFPIRA06CGKE/QFPIRA0AOB6F/!QFPIRA0AOBETimage019.jpg I have one of those sitting in the back of my truck needing to be installed.
[01:48:55] <fluffybitchx> it's a bit smaller of a crane. heh.
[01:49:06] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: Nice, still looks pretty heavy duty
[01:49:15] <fluffybitchx> 3200lbs with the boom all the way in and up
[01:49:26] <zeeshan|2> what kinda truck
[01:49:42] <fluffybitchx> that's the slightly fancier model, mine doesn't have power boom extension. have to pull a pin, slide it, put pin in instead.
[01:49:45] <fluffybitchx> a jeep pickup
[01:50:08] <Crom_> Sheeshz heavy enough to need out rigger
[01:50:28] <fluffybitchx> 3200lb capacity, not crane weight. heh.
[01:50:44] <fluffybitchx> 1.5ton truck, so a good match...
[01:51:13] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[01:51:35] <Crom_> Build a box out of 8x12 tube and rig out riggers in the tube
[01:51:55] <fluffybitchx> ... it's not that big. heh.
[01:52:11] <fluffybitchx> it's meant to sit on the side of an 8ft service truck bed.
[01:52:17] <fluffybitchx> on top of the cabinets
[01:52:18] <Crom_> What the reach?
[01:52:39] <fluffybitchx> 12ft or so. I'd need to check the manual...
[01:52:47] <fluffybitchx> I've never used it.
[01:52:56] <fluffybitchx> need to build framework before I can install it.
[01:53:16] <cradek> malcom2073: is that matt shaver?
[01:53:22] <malcom2073> cradek: Yeah
[01:53:55] <Crom_> Still a tounge jack would work as an outrigger
[01:54:28] <fluffybitchx> I have a hilift on the truck. I figure I can stick it under the frame if I really do need lots of weight out to the side instead of the back.
[01:54:46] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: you didnt answer my q about neutral test! :P
[01:54:53] <fluffybitchx> it's a pretty heavy truck with very thick leaf packs, so I'm not too worried...
[01:54:58] <zeeshan|2> you really think a multimeter will pick that up
[01:55:12] <fluffybitchx> pick what up? I think your multimeter can measure volts, yes.
[01:55:45] <zeeshan|2> oh for some reason i thought it was a transient measurement
[01:56:00] <fluffybitchx> you want to load l1 and neutral with as much load as you can. space heaters are excellent. then measure neutral to ground, and neutral to l2.
[01:56:08] <Crom_> Most of my picks are 100' to 135' with a weight of 1500 to 3200#s
[01:56:27] <Crom_> Fiberglass pool shells
[01:56:49] <Crom_> Pin to middle of hole
[01:57:30] -!- Loetmichel2 [Loetmichel2!~cylly@p54B112B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:57:32] <fluffybitchx> yeah, that's just a tad bigger than the service bed crane in the back of my pickup truck. :P
[01:57:55] <Crom_> Had a 3800# at 160'. That was handled by 'The Crane Guys' in LA
[01:58:53] <Crom_> 300TON CRANE, 18 WHEELER SUPPORT TRUCK WITH COUNTER WEIGHTS AND JIB EXTENSION
[01:59:08] <Crom_> oops
[01:59:41] -!- Loetmichel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[02:00:02] <Crom_> Residential street... Block it for 2 hours
[02:01:03] <Crom_> Most pools are set with s 40ton boom truck
[02:01:13] -!- norias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[02:01:27] <fluffybitchx> I've only known one person with a pool, and it was poured concrete with a vinyl liner...
[02:01:44] <Crom_> Thats small enough to get in the driveway
[02:02:28] <Crom_> I'll put them in. I'll never have one myself
[02:02:34] <fluffybitchx> he sold that house. I don't currently know anyone with a pool, or here, know of anyone who has a private pool. I've never seen one...
[02:03:18] <Crom_> Viking pools are the best shells in the country
[02:03:29] <fluffybitchx> nowhere, in this county, have I ever seen a private pool. maybe one exists, but...
[02:03:43] <Crom_> Stayaway from aloha and san juan
[02:04:04] <fluffybitchx> what's wrong with poured concrete and tile or vinyl like normal people? lol
[02:04:38] <Crom_> Barrier reef and liesure are good shells
[02:05:04] <PetefromTn_> I love flying this Airhogs Quadcopter around the shop while the machine is running...;)
[02:05:05] -!- dangerousbeans [dangerousbeans!~joran@210.246.13.87] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:05:14] <Crom_> 1/2 the cost over the life of the pool
[02:05:41] -!- dangerousbeans has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:06:01] <fluffybitchx> based on randomly scrolling the google maps satellite image of the nearest city, I compute we have 0 pools.
[02:06:20] <Crom_> Fiberglass will flex and they are nonporus compared to plaster
[02:06:56] <fluffybitchx> ah-ha! I found ONE!
[02:07:23] <fluffybitchx> (I think)
[02:07:45] <Crom_> People here in the hills have a big pool and a trash pump for fire from fighting
[02:07:55] * fluffybitchx thinks crom wouldn't stay in business here
[02:08:20] <Crom_> So cal here
[02:08:22] <Crom_> ..
[02:08:45] <fluffybitchx> farnorcal here.
[02:08:47] -!- gennro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:08:54] <Crom_> I just hate the Hollywood hills pools
[02:09:23] <Crom_> Ummm isn't that called Jefferson?
[02:09:29] <fluffybitchx> ... I hate everything south of san jose or so. :P
[02:10:03] <fluffybitchx> no, it didn't pass. we're still stuck with you, sadly.
[02:10:08] <Crom_> Im from Richmond originally
[02:10:27] <Crom_> Its still Jefferson to me
[02:10:49] -!- gennro [gennro!~gennro@ip68-224-129-2.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:11:12] <fluffybitchx> I'm in the Eureka area, about an hour from oregon, and 6 hours north of san francisco.
[02:11:18] <Crom_> Graduated highschool morro bay
[02:11:40] <Crom_> Nice
[02:12:58] <Crom_> At least I'm in Temecula, mile and a half from sandiego county on I15
[02:13:13] <Crom_> Out of la proper
[02:13:25] <_methods> haha hour from oregon 6 hours from sanfran and 5 min from nowhere
[02:14:08] <Crom_> 5 minutes to the indian casino pachenga
[02:15:09] <fluffybitchx> no, not near a casino. heh.
[02:15:43] <Crom_> 2 sub division south
[02:16:33] <Crom_> Gotta grave behind the house and 300' away
[02:17:20] <Crom_> Wineries 15 minutes to the east
[02:18:51] -!- [cube] [[cube]!~cube@bas17-ottawa23-1242340091.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:22:22] <Crom_> Lots of illegals to tote and dig for cheap
[02:22:23] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:25:42] <Crom_> I still wanna get a excavator that'll fit through a 32" door
[02:26:18] <fluffybitchx> so you can drive it through people's houses?
[02:27:25] <Crom_> Yeppers
[02:27:56] <Crom_> This is the land of slab houses
[02:28:41] <fluffybitchx> this is the land of post and pier.
[02:29:22] <Crom_> Mod the boom to reach 11 ' at 35 degrees
[02:30:11] <Crom_> And side gates to drive a dump truck into a backyard
[02:30:45] <fluffybitchx> pools are so rare here, no one cares. heh.
[02:32:31] <Crom_> Woo wife got piggy loin numnums
[02:33:16] -!- FinboySlick has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[02:38:13] <Crom_> Almost home time to futz with picolcd
[02:39:04] -!- ejb has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…]
[02:41:29] <Crom_> Want get the buttons working eith linuxcnc for xyzovement and display coordinates
[02:42:37] -!- Cromaglious [Cromaglious!~Robi@172.56.40.252] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:42:38] -!- Crom_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:44:05] -!- Crom_ [Crom_!~Robi@172.56.40.252] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:44:10] -!- Cromaglious has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:44:22] -!- TTN has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[02:45:02] -!- TTN [TTN!~TTN@unaffiliated/ttn] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:46:16] <Tom_itx> how long does it take a typical relay to switch?
[02:46:27] <Tom_itx> 50ms? 100? more?
[02:48:01] -!- Cromaglious [Cromaglious!~Robi@pool-108-23-106-180.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:49:38] <fluffybitchx> less
[02:49:59] <fluffybitchx> there's a wide range of typical, but if you wire them to oscillate, they'll go pretty fast...
[02:51:26] -!- Cromaglious_ [Cromaglious_!~robi@pool-108-23-106-180.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:51:30] <fluffybitchx> 50ms would be a pretty slow or large relay, I think.
[02:51:34] -!- Crom_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[02:51:38] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[02:51:41] <Tom_itx> i don't need them to oscillate just need the switching time
[02:52:06] <fluffybitchx> look up the spec sheet for a similar relay
[02:52:17] <fluffybitchx> I know fast ones can do a few ms...
[02:52:23] <Tom_itx> holy crap.. this actually works like i wanted it to !
[02:52:38] <Tom_itx> hal'd a delay relay...
[02:53:42] -!- koo5 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[02:54:12] <Tom_itx> ok right now i have it set for a 6ms delay
[02:54:13] <PetefromTn_> SWEET!
[02:54:30] <Tom_itx> so the inhibit hits then 6ms later the fwd/rev relay trips
[02:54:48] <Tom_itx> i may give it a bit more than that
[02:56:39] <Connor> Tom_itx: What sort of relay you using?
[02:57:24] sweenzor_ is now known as sweenzor
[02:57:25] <Connor> Oh, and got my plumbing mostly done today.. Sill have a question.. I used 2" PVC for the whole thing.. most under sink drains use 1 1/2..
[02:57:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic1.jpg
[02:57:53] <Tom_itx> there's 11ms delay
[02:58:18] <fluffybitchx> that won't do at all. with 2" pipe, you might have a free-flowing drain that doesn't clog and make the rotorooter people money.
[02:58:23] <Tom_itx> and i think the inhibit pulse should be wide enough to trip the inhibit relay
[02:58:45] <Tom_itx> Connor i'm planning to use the 2 relays on the C6 board
[02:58:49] <Tom_itx> for fwd/rev
[02:58:56] <Tom_itx> i wired them to the same signal
[02:58:57] <jdh> Tom: real saleae?
[02:58:58] <Connor> Are they going to handle the current ?
[02:59:04] <Tom_itx> jdh of course!
[02:59:09] <jdh> cool
[02:59:12] <Tom_itx> Connor acording to sherline they will
[02:59:17] <Tom_itx> they say 6A is enough
[02:59:27] <Tom_itx> and i'm switching at near 0 current
[02:59:30] <Tom_itx> during inhibit
[02:59:36] <fluffybitchx> what're you switching, and what're the relays? heh
[02:59:50] <Tom_itx> switching spindle motor
[03:00:09] <Tom_itx> inhibit drive.. switch relays.. enable drive
[03:00:16] -!- amiri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[03:00:35] <Tom_itx> it's a fairly small motor
[03:00:45] <fluffybitchx> that should be fine, then... I always like to oversize relays, however.
[03:01:06] <fluffybitchx> I've seen a few of them form self-sustaining arcs during switching when the no and nc terminals are at opposite polarity
[03:01:20] <fluffybitchx> the sherline 90v dc one?
[03:01:20] <fluffybitchx> same as on my mill?
[03:01:27] <Tom_itx> yes
[03:01:43] <fluffybitchx> yeah, it's pretty small.
[03:01:50] <Tom_itx> that's why i'm inhibiting the drive during switching
[03:02:58] <fluffybitchx> I was only switching 14.4VDC once, but switched with the motor stalled, and it formed an arc between the no and nc contacts... which didn't stop until the relay was gone.
[03:02:59] <Tom_itx> now just waiting for my isolation board to come
[03:03:31] <Tom_itx> then i'll fine tune it
[03:03:36] <fluffybitchx> gone, as in, the contacts didn't exist anymore.
[03:04:01] <Tom_itx> i used to have some fairly large relays from an old elevator but i'm not sure where they are now
[03:04:15] <fluffybitchx> my sherline has manual spindle control... a knob. :)
[03:04:24] <Tom_itx> if i could find one i may see if it's workable
[03:04:34] <Tom_itx> fluffybitchx so does mine right now
[03:04:39] <Tom_itx> but that's about to change
[03:04:43] <fluffybitchx> the biggest relays I have are rated for 800A continous... at 12V.
[03:04:44] <Tom_itx> using the same control
[03:05:06] <fluffybitchx> diesel heavy equipment starter solenoids.
[03:05:46] <Tom_itx> pcw_home thanks for the abs suggestion...
[03:06:30] <Tom_itx> i didn't sent abs.0.out back to the pwm though, i sent the original value
[03:06:39] <Tom_itx> i wasn't sure if pos neg would matter to it
[03:07:18] <fluffybitchx> the relay that melted worked perfectly until the one time I tried switching it with the motor at locked-rotor. that was its last time. heh.
[03:07:40] <Tom_itx> well that's not good in any situation
[03:10:13] -!- norias [norias!~jm@2601:7:9800:df14:ddc0:da19:f89:5e38] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:19:08] -!- Guest4132 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[03:20:22] -!- Cromaglious_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[03:28:03] -!- Tolsun [Tolsun!~Brunetty@206.Red-79-145-105.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:29:13] -!- AR_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[03:29:24] -!- Brunetty has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[03:30:49] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: neutral bar to earth br
[03:30:50] <zeeshan|2> 0 V
[03:30:51] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[03:34:49] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:36:45] <fluffybitchx> under load?
[03:37:02] <fluffybitchx> why is it that I'm out of all the colors of wire I want to use, like red, and black, but I have plenty of things like purple, yellow,... bleh
[03:37:47] <XXCoder> "bleh" probably the reason. ;)
[03:38:49] <fluffybitchx> also I'm always out of the gauge I need.
[03:38:54] -!- Tolsun has quit [Quit: Ahora vengo]
[03:39:38] <zeeshan|2> i cant put it under load
[03:39:42] <zeeshan|2> it was never under load when it blew
[03:39:47] <zeeshan|2> everything is turned on :P
[03:39:53] <zeeshan|2> but not fully loaded .
[03:40:03] <zeeshan|2> purple yellow wire ist he best :D
[03:40:11] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2000-Lumen-CREE-XML-T6-LED-Black-Flashlight-Torch-Zoomable-5-Mode-Strobe-SOS-/400700768165?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item5d4ba07fa5
[03:40:14] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of picking this up
[03:40:14] <XXCoder> royal color
[03:40:26] <zeeshan|2> i wonder how many watt is consumes
[03:40:32] <XXCoder> 2000 lumen\
[03:40:37] <zeeshan|2> yea its bright as hell
[03:41:02] <XXCoder> probably drinks battery like it should be in BAA
[03:41:21] <XXCoder> (battery anomyous err forgot what last a is)
[03:41:30] <zeeshan|2> it says
[03:41:33] <zeeshan|2> 2.03 W consumption
[03:41:35] <zeeshan|2> for the led specs
[03:41:48] <XXCoder> 2w?
[03:41:54] <zeeshan|2> yea
[03:42:06] <XXCoder> dude my 1200 lumen bulbs use 12w each
[03:42:14] <XXCoder> no way in hell it can do that on 2w
[03:42:20] <zeeshan|2> http://www.led-tech.de/en/High-Power-LEDs-Cree/CREE-XM-Serie/CREE-XM-L-T6-Emitter-LT-1731_120_170.html
[03:42:55] <XXCoder> 975 lumen max, 3 mA max
[03:42:55] <zeeshan|2> 1x18650 or 3xaaa
[03:43:10] <XXCoder> er 3A
[03:43:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/aZAAAOxyHIlTXMu5/$_57.JPG
[03:43:35] <zeeshan|2> looks like it only uses 1 led.
[03:43:48] <XXCoder> overdriven maybe
[03:43:55] <XXCoder> can get away with if massive heat sink
[03:44:02] -!- fluffybitchx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[03:44:22] <XXCoder> maybe it means 2k lux
[03:44:28] <XXCoder> lux definitely is different unit
[03:46:03] -!- syyl [syyl!~sg@p579B1D8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:47:06] <zeeshan|2> maybe
[03:47:16] <LeelooMinai> No, they mean 2000 lumens
[03:47:46] -!- PetefromTn_ has quit [Quit: I'm Outta here!!]
[03:48:51] <LeelooMinai> Where 100watt incandescen light bulb would typically have, hmm, I think 1600 lumens or so
[03:49:08] <zeeshan|2> my cheapo flashlight is pissing me off
[03:49:16] <zeeshan|2> i just ordered this one
[03:49:18] <zeeshan|2> lets see how it works out
[03:50:11] <LeelooMinai> Those flashlights are cheap, but ok-ish, though most of the performance will really come from batteries one uses - really good ones will cost up to $30.
[03:50:21] -!- fluffybitchx [fluffybitchx!~randyg@174-144-163-192.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:50:35] <fluffybitchx> ok... am I too tired to work, or do I have some mis-labeled resistors? brown-green-yellow is 150K, right?
[03:50:39] <zeeshan|2> wonder where i can get 18650 batteries
[03:50:42] <zeeshan|2> locally
[03:50:44] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: <fluffybitchx> the test is useless unless you have a large load on one side of the line and not the other.
[03:50:44] <zeeshan|2> nefver seen them before
[03:50:56] <_methods> laptop batteries
[03:50:58] <fluffybitchx> you can't. they're too dangerous to sell retail.
[03:51:04] <_methods> full of them
[03:51:11] <zeeshan|2> sweet
[03:51:18] <LeelooMinai> The Chinese 18650 will probably die after 10 recharges - at leasts that's what people who tested them often say
[03:51:54] * zeeshan|2 will stick to aaa
[03:52:17] <fluffybitchx> for chinese 18650s, I've had good luck with the trustfire ones.
[03:52:20] <LeelooMinai> Most of those flashlights run on 18650 though
[03:52:33] <fluffybitchx> so, resistors... brown-green-yellow 150K, right?
[03:52:34] <XXCoder> 18650 rechargable lathium ion cells?
[03:52:40] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: yea
[03:52:45] <zeeshan|2> but i have a bunch of regular aaa
[03:52:46] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[03:52:51] <XXCoder> laptop batteries is best bet
[03:52:53] <fluffybitchx> I keep measuring 80K. I tried with two meters.
[03:52:56] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/resistorcalculator.php :)
[03:53:07] <XXCoder> get a dead one with its laptop, recharge (or attempt to)
[03:53:17] <XXCoder> then remove cells and yopu can use mulitmeter to find good cells
[03:53:25] <LeelooMinai> Seems like 150kΩ, yes
[03:53:34] <fluffybitchx> so...
[03:53:39] * fluffybitchx looks for a different resistor!
[03:54:17] * zeeshan|2 sends fluffybitchx 100, 10k, 100k, 1k
[03:54:28] <fluffybitchx> also, I might need some kind of inrush limiting on my power supply. now that I have a drive hooked up, it dims my lights to 2/3rds brightness for a couple seconds.
[03:54:37] <zeeshan|2> haha nice
[03:54:46] <XXCoder> heh I dont remember remember how to calculate reistance values on given circuit
[03:55:01] <XXCoder> dang
[03:55:01] -!- anarchos_ [anarchos_!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:55:03] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: i bet you'll remember
[03:55:06] <zeeshan|2> if you look at a circuit
[03:55:12] <XXCoder> been a decade
[03:55:25] <XXCoder> 2005 lol
[03:55:26] <fluffybitchx> barring a manufacturer defect, a dead laptop pack might well have one cell that's completely dead, which is why it stopped working... and the other ones are 95% dead.
[03:55:32] <fluffybitchx> it's not worth trying to salvage them.
[03:55:37] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: If you had to disarm a bomb strapped to your chest, and had to read a resistor value, would you do it? :)
[03:56:00] <zeeshan|2> yea f that
[03:56:02] <zeeshan|2> this thing takes aaa
[03:56:04] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: what do you need 18650s for?
[03:56:07] <zeeshan|2> im not using some weirdo battery ive never heard of
[03:56:08] <XXCoder> yeah as soon as im alone and far from others because I'd be dead lol
[03:56:14] <XXCoder> *soon
[03:56:14] <zeeshan|2> well it says you can use 1x18650
[03:56:16] <zeeshan|2> or 3xaaa
[03:56:23] <zeeshan|2> i figured 1 battery would be nicer :p
[03:56:26] <LeelooMinai> 18650 is pretty standard
[03:56:28] <fluffybitchx> ... 18650s aren't weird. they're in most laptops, like others said.
[03:56:31] <XXCoder> its rechargable though
[03:56:35] <zeeshan|2> yea but you cant buy them from
[03:56:37] <XXCoder> lobng life too
[03:56:37] <fluffybitchx> most of my flashlights use 18650s.
[03:56:38] <zeeshan|2> say a regular store
[03:56:52] <LeelooMinai> You can, but they will be probably more expensive
[03:56:52] <zeeshan|2> thats what i mean by weirdo battery
[03:56:53] <zeeshan|2> :)
[03:57:01] <XXCoder> nah free
[03:57:01] <fluffybitchx> I have an 18650 in my pocket right now, in fact. (no, I'm not happy to see you)
[03:57:01] <_methods> you can buy them all day long on ebay
[03:57:06] <_methods> with a charger
[03:57:07] <XXCoder> just find dead laptop battery
[03:57:13] <Rab> I have one on my bike.
[03:57:14] <fluffybitchx> don't buy the ebay ones. really. really.
[03:57:29] <fluffybitchx> unless you buy a name-brand one from a local seller
[03:57:30] <_methods> i'm just saying you can buy them
[03:57:31] <zeeshan|2> homedepot, canadiantire, princess auto, dont seem to sell em
[03:57:32] <zeeshan|2> :P
[03:57:42] <Rab> And Fry's sells them. But I don't know of another brick-and-mortar chain that does.
[03:57:46] <fluffybitchx> specifically, do not buy ultrafire on ebay. a few of them may be real (as real as ultrafire ever is), but most of them are fake.
[03:57:49] <XXCoder> try local old computer scrap place
[03:58:06] <_methods> yeah i just rape old laptop batteries
[03:58:06] <XXCoder> ask if they has just battery with no laptop
[03:58:08] <_methods> they're all over
[03:58:21] <XXCoder> poor cells
[03:58:23] <fluffybitchx> if you want chinese 18650s, dealextreme sells "genuine" trustfires, and I've had excellent luck with them. only one dead so far, and I've bought a dozen or so.
[03:58:37] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[03:58:37] <fluffybitchx> old laptops aren't going to have protected cells. you want protected cells.
[03:59:19] <XXCoder> protected cells. new to me
[03:59:46] <_methods> keeps them from blowin up
[03:59:50] <zeeshan|2> shit even walmart doesnt have em
[03:59:50] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:00:06] <XXCoder> shit walmart has everything. this battery must not exist LOL
[04:00:50] <fluffybitchx> http://www.dx.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-3000mah-rechargeable-li-ion-batteries-pair-120476#.VNgw7-KCNxA a slightly newer version than I have, but seems to be getting the same good ratings.
[04:01:23] <zeeshan|2> http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=19311.11&cat1=&uid=
[04:01:42] <XXCoder> 16 bucks
[04:01:44] <zeeshan|2> shipped from quebec
[04:01:47] <XXCoder> I'd go old laptop battery
[04:01:52] <zeeshan|2> no
[04:02:00] <zeeshan|2> i wants protected battery
[04:02:07] <zeeshan|2> im the kind of blowing shit up
[04:02:07] <fluffybitchx> eh? the one I pasted is $10.17
[04:02:15] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i aint waiting for china to get to me
[04:02:23] <XXCoder> fluffy I was talling about zee's link
[04:02:37] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: they ship from the US. they might have a UK warehouse too, don't remember.
[04:02:43] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: wtf mate
[04:02:45] <zeeshan|2> im in canada
[04:02:51] <zeeshan|2> how dare you say uk
[04:03:04] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4000-Lumens-XML-CREE-XM-L-3x-T6-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Hoster-/111004847721?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d8678e69
[04:03:10] <fluffybitchx> my experience shipping to canada is shipping from overseas might be faster. :P
[04:03:19] <zeeshan|2> haha
[04:03:27] <zeeshan|2> thats nice XXCoder
[04:03:38] <zeeshan|2> okay i gotta do the three S's
[04:03:40] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: that was my experence too. my packages to canada always arrive before canada store orders to friend of mine
[04:03:41] <zeeshan|2> its getting late
[04:03:44] <zeeshan|2> gnite all :D
[04:03:45] <fluffybitchx> that panasonic battery is NOT what you want. you don't want a flat-end cell (they don't make contact in half the lights out there), and you do want a protected cell, which that isn't.
[04:03:50] <XXCoder> by days each time
[04:04:05] <fluffybitchx> that said, the panasonic cell is an excellent cell - I have four of them. but I got protected, button-topped ones.
[04:04:26] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:04:27] <fluffybitchx> that's what's in my pocket right now, in fact.
[04:04:34] <zeeshan|2> why do you have batteries in your pocket
[04:05:16] <fluffybitchx> actualy, no, I have the newer 3400mah one. my bad.
[04:05:23] <fluffybitchx> because I have a flashlight in my pocket.
[04:05:44] <fluffybitchx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370925377492 are the ones I have four of. they work excellently.
[04:05:49] <zeeshan|2> o
[04:05:52] <zeeshan|2> fleshlight
[04:05:55] <zeeshan|2> or flashlight
[04:06:03] <zeeshan|2> oo those look nice
[04:06:04] <XXCoder> $12 each
[04:06:08] <XXCoder> not too bad
[04:06:19] <XXCoder> shipped from salty lake
[04:06:20] -!- anarchos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:06:20] -!- anarchos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:06:20] -!- syyl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[04:06:49] <fluffybitchx> flashlight. I have no need for a fleshlight. heh.
[04:06:54] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[04:06:57] -!- anarchos_ [anarchos_!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:07:01] <postaL> nothing wrong w/ a fleshlight
[04:07:02] <postaL> :x
[04:07:02] <fluffybitchx> yeah, they're the best deal I could find on genuine panasonics.
[04:07:18] <fluffybitchx> postaL: my toys are of the insertive variety...
[04:07:19] <zeeshan|2> do they recharge a shitload of times?
[04:07:22] <fluffybitchx> yes
[04:07:24] <XXCoder> useless to half of human species, postaL 1
[04:07:34] <postaL> :))
[04:07:48] <fluffybitchx> I have a lot of toys, but no fleshlight. :P
[04:07:55] <postaL> wifey bought me a fleshlight
[04:07:58] <postaL> it's an interesting one
[04:08:08] <fluffybitchx> lol
[04:08:15] <XXCoder> wife bought you one?
[04:08:20] <XXCoder> bit odd
[04:08:26] <postaL> yeah
[04:08:28] <postaL> not really
[04:08:29] <postaL> well
[04:08:34] <postaL> i guess to "normal" people it might be
[04:08:37] <fluffybitchx> did you buy her a toy in return? if not, I highly suggest the njoy pure wand. it rocks, and it's beautiful.
[04:08:46] <postaL> but we aren't your typical christian marriage
[04:08:53] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[04:08:57] <postaL> fluffybitchx: our toy chest is huge
[04:09:06] <fluffybitchx> but does it have an njoy pure wand? :P
[04:09:14] <XXCoder> I am big beliver in consent is only requiremwnt
[04:09:28] <postaL> googles njoy pure wand
[04:10:18] <postaL> those plugs looks nice
[04:10:19] <fluffybitchx> 1.5lbs of mirror-polished stainless steel
[04:10:40] <postaL> we have a hook that's built like these
[04:10:56] <postaL> lil over a lb
[04:11:08] <fluffybitchx> a hook... interesting. lol
[04:11:31] <XXCoder> hooked on hooks :P
[04:11:54] <postaL> :)
[04:12:04] <fluffybitchx> any e-stim toys yet?
[04:12:11] <postaL> oh ya
[04:12:29] * fluffybitchx needs more, but they're expensive
[04:12:30] <postaL> we have a eurostek
[04:12:48] <fluffybitchx> you have more money than I do, methinks.
[04:13:00] <XXCoder> or good shop
[04:13:09] <postaL> it was expensive
[04:13:09] <postaL> :x
[04:13:11] <postaL> but it's fun
[04:13:23] <fluffybitchx> I want to get a wetforher four... no immediate use for it (single right now), but it looks rather fun... I have a feeldoe and share, so even if I weren't single, it'd still be optional...
[04:13:26] <postaL> http://shop.erostek.com/products/ET312B-Power-Unit.html
[04:13:39] <postaL> are you on fetlife?
[04:13:53] <fluffybitchx> no
[04:14:42] <postaL> do you know what it is?
[04:14:50] <postaL> or are you just kinky in the bedroom?
[04:15:23] <fluffybitchx> I'm not into bdsm at all.
[04:15:33] <postaL> gotcha.
[04:16:17] <postaL> oh the things you talk about in linuxcnc
[04:16:45] <fluffybitchx> if we talk about them enough, we can make LeelooMinai leave. :P
[04:17:41] <fluffybitchx> grrr. I know I have 180K resistors, but I can't find any. this probably means I already pulled them out last time I was working on the drives, and lost them.
[04:17:59] <XXCoder> use umm series total to near 180k?
[04:18:49] -!- ve7it has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:19:20] <fluffybitchx> too much work
[04:19:23] * fluffybitchx uses 150k
[04:19:34] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S01060014d19d0b68.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:29:18] <XXCoder> lol http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sex-toys-that-were-clearly-designed-by-serial-killers/
[04:29:23] <XXCoder> considering recent topic
[04:33:59] <postaL> dildo maker
[04:33:59] <postaL> ha
[04:34:19] <XXCoder> that ones apparently only concept but jeez
[04:34:38] <fluffybitchx> ok! I think I have enough wires hooked up that I can get the laptop out and try making a motor move.
[04:38:55] -!- ve7it has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:39:08] <fluffybitchx> yay! motor turning!
[04:39:13] <fluffybitchx> it hasn't done that in way too long.
[04:39:19] <XXCoder> nice
[04:39:23] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S01060014d19d0b68.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:42:07] <fluffybitchx> ... and stopped turning. driver now goes into fault mode.
[04:42:34] -!- dhoovie [dhoovie!~kvirc@122.177.143.36] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:43:22] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:43:47] <XXCoder> not so nice
[04:45:06] -!- MacGalempsy__ [MacGalempsy__!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:46:21] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[04:46:54] <fluffybitchx> if I power cycle the driver to reset it, it'll work for about ten seconds at low speed before going into fault. at high speed the motor buzzes loudly then it goes into fault quickly.
[04:46:58] -!- gambakufu [gambakufu!~ah@109.67.29.243] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:47:12] <XXCoder> wonder wjats happening
[04:47:32] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[04:48:17] <fluffybitchx> either drive or motor is bad...
[04:48:31] <XXCoder> or too low resistance?
[04:48:32] <fluffybitchx> I have a spare of each to test with, but they're in storage, so not happening tonight. almost bedtime.
[04:49:03] <fluffybitchx> I tested the same-model drive with the same-model motor last time I got things together enough to test, with no problems at all. got rather impressive (although fake, since unloaded) rapids out of it too.
[04:50:37] <fluffybitchx> I think the motors are 2.3mH and the drive rated down to 0.5mH
[04:50:58] -!- anarchos [anarchos!anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:52:03] -!- norias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[04:55:46] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: I'm going to make you troubleshoot this one. :P
[04:56:10] -!- swingley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:59:22] <fluffybitchx> I guess tomorrow I'll swap motors and drives around and see what happens.
[05:00:39] -!- swingley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[05:00:51] <MacGalempsy__> back to where I left off a year ago! lol
[05:01:30] <fluffybitchx> ?
[05:01:52] <MacGalempsy__> movement on 3 axii
[05:01:57] -!- ChALkeR has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[05:02:08] <MacGalempsy__> but thats it...
[05:02:28] <MacGalempsy__> guess it would be good to go ahead and update to the new linuxcnc
[05:02:53] <fluffybitchx> movement on 3 axises sounds pretty close to working to me.
[05:03:42] <MacGalempsy__> there are a lot of auxillary stuff
[05:03:47] <XXCoder> not if really bad precision
[05:04:13] <MacGalempsy__> like pumps, dials, lights, automatic tool changer
[05:06:11] <MacGalempsy__> last time the wizard didnt have the stuff for one of the cards. hopefully the new version will have move stuff
[05:11:22] -!- Miner_48er has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[05:12:48] <fluffybitchx> set the current limit down from 9A to 5A, stays out of fault mode now.
[05:13:30] <fluffybitchx> with a 2:1 belt reduction and 10tpi leadscrews, I get 2.8IPS before it loses steps. well, imaginarily at least, since the motor is just sitting on a box under my workbench. heh.
[05:14:00] * fluffybitchx does some math
[05:14:21] <skunksleep> Wizard?
[05:14:43] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[05:14:52] <fluffybitchx> 3360rpm? not great, but that's steppers for you.
[05:16:57] <fluffybitchx> I'll probably be happy with 1IPS when it's all together... 10tpi leadscrews aren't how you get high-speed machining out of steppers...
[05:17:17] -!- MacGalempsy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[05:23:54] <fluffybitchx> running the motor back and forth at full speed is making it nice and warm. the driver, interestingly, is ICE COLD. I was worried I'd need to heatsink it, but I'm now thinking just screwing it to the box with some heatsink compound will be plenty.
[05:24:13] <fluffybitchx> and now time for bed. bbl.
[05:24:54] <fluffybitchx> it's really barely noticable as being above ambient, despite using the axis test to thrash the motor back and forth at full speed.
[05:39:24] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: do you remember a while back
[05:39:31] <zeeshan|2> i was arguing about 3 phase vs single phase power? :D
[05:39:48] * zeeshan|2 reads up
[05:40:33] <zeeshan|2> aw
[05:40:34] <zeeshan|2> fault mode!
[05:40:39] <zeeshan|2> at least it's not blow up mode
[05:43:01] -!- fluffybitchx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[05:44:49] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[05:47:28] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[05:56:34] -!- anarchos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[06:01:37] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[06:04:16] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[06:07:52] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:31:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/cnc-lathe/1049659141?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[06:31:18] <zeeshan|2> damn!
[06:31:18] <zeeshan|2> i want
[06:31:41] <zeeshan|2> a bit overpriced but its bad ass. 42" c-c, 2-1/2" spindle bore
[06:31:43] <zeeshan|2> but 30hp motor
[06:31:44] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[06:32:06] <zeeshan|2> thats 80A 3 phase.
[06:32:31] <zeeshan|2> id need a 140A single phase 240v to run just the damn motor
[06:37:22] -!- [cube] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[06:37:43] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:38:00] -!- Cromaglious has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[06:38:29] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-GILDEMEISTER-MF-TWIN-65-CNC-LATHE-Twin-Turret-Twin-Spindle-2-5-Bar-1999-/370981095423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56603247ff
[06:38:32] <zeeshan|2> one day i will own this
[06:38:36] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7II71STmNY
[06:38:40] <zeeshan|2> so secksi
[06:41:11] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[06:41:16] <MacGalempsy_> that looks like one big piece of equipment
[06:41:21] <zeeshan|2> its so CRAZY
[06:41:34] <zeeshan|2> twin spindle, live tooling
[06:41:38] <zeeshan|2> twin turret
[06:41:50] <zeeshan|2> the only thing you need to do is sit back and drink coffee
[06:42:00] -!- [cube] [[cube]!~cube@bas17-ottawa23-1279311656.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:42:04] <MacGalempsy_> and hope nothing detonates
[06:42:07] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[06:42:46] <MacGalempsy_> after I get this stupid cnc working 100%, my next machine is a sinker edm or plastic injection machine
[06:42:54] <zeeshan|2> what are you working on
[06:43:28] <MacGalempsy_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/sets/72157648156040358/
[06:44:17] <MacGalempsy_> after a year of not working on it, I just fired it up tonight for the first time
[06:44:26] <MacGalempsy_> right now it only moves x y z
[06:44:30] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[06:44:51] <MacGalempsy_> thanks, all the wiring took me 3 months solid then I got stuck with the programming\
[06:45:22] <zeeshan|2> what servo drives are those?
[06:45:24] <MacGalempsy_> but about to burn the new iso and see if the wizards are better
[06:45:38] <zeeshan|2> pncconf has gotten a big upgrade
[06:45:40] <zeeshan|2> from what i can tell
[06:45:44] <MacGalempsy_> they are custom.
[06:46:12] <MacGalempsy_> made by copely custom corps
[06:46:27] <MacGalempsy_> they guy on the phone said they spent several months tuning them
[06:47:09] <MacGalempsy_> brb going to get a blank disc
[06:47:23] <zeeshan|2> sleep time for me
[06:49:38] -!- Cromaglious [Cromaglious!~robi@pool-108-23-106-180.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:49:53] Cromaglious is now known as Cromaglious_
[06:50:27] -!- KimK_laptop has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[06:55:40] -!- tjtr33 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[07:01:53] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[07:03:41] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@089144206142.atnat0015.highway.bob.at] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:07:42] <Cromaglious_> well finally hacked on the YooCNC NT65-3x controller and got a DIP switch going for setting steps... now possible to select 1:1 1:2 1:8 1:16 steps TB6560 doesn´t do 1/4 step
[07:07:43] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:09:20] <Cromaglious_> still need to build a breaker out board for the probe and limit and home switches using photo interrupters. Need 5v, gnd, and some sort of plug for the wiring
[07:09:52] <Cromaglious_> thinking 1/4" stereo plugs for everything
[07:10:24] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[07:10:43] -!- ve7it has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[07:11:56] <archivist> use a DIN plug
[07:13:51] -!- Cromaglious_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[07:18:01] -!- Crom_ [Crom_!~Robi@pool-108-23-106-180.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:19:14] -!- Deejay [Deejay!~Deejay@unaffiliated/dj9dj] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:19:20] <Deejay> moin
[07:19:56] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[07:20:21] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:21:46] -!- The_Ball has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[07:34:37] <Crom_> morning
[07:35:19] <Crom_> mach3 really blows on converting pictures to gcode
[07:37:48] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:41:13] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[07:43:45] -!- FreezingCold has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[07:44:06] -!- FreezingCold [FreezingCold!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:53:13] -!- Komzzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[07:53:43] -!- mhaberler has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[07:54:12] -!- micges_ [micges_!~micges@enp72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:57:48] -!- micges has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[08:00:23] dramz_ is now known as dramz
[08:02:44] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[08:07:56] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:09:48] -!- tjb1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[08:10:16] -!- tjb1 [tjb1!~tjb1@cpe-69-207-197-216.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:10:28] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[08:11:29] -!- skunksleep has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[08:13:41] -!- sivu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[08:14:03] -!- amiri has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[08:14:03] -!- _methods has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[08:14:03] -!- jleh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[08:14:54] -!- _methods [_methods!~minotaur@192.81.210.43] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:15:03] -!- sivu [sivu!sivu@tyhma.paeae.fi] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:17:49] -!- anarchos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[08:18:06] -!- anarchos_ [anarchos_!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:21:26] -!- witnit [witnit!~ripple@208-38-253-24.hntninaa.metronetinc.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:38:04] -!- FrozenCow_ [FrozenCow_!~FrozenCow@092-111-152-106.static.chello.nl] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:43:00] -!- malcom2073 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[08:51:28] -!- rob_h [rob_h!~robh@176.249.89.25] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:51:46] -!- rue_shop3 [rue_shop3!~rue_mohr@d205-250-205-216.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:52:04] <rue_shop3> whats out there for cam software for linux?
[09:01:08] <archivist_herron> not a lot and it depends on what you want to do
[09:03:23] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[09:03:35] -!- Valen has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[09:08:01] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:10:25] -!- asdfasd [asdfasd!~332332@94.10.233.161] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:10:31] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[09:12:06] -!- jerryitt has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[09:12:59] <rue_shop3> tracing, pocketing, driling
[09:13:08] <rue_shop3> from a dxf
[09:13:55] -!- TTN has quit [Quit: gnight :)]
[09:14:11] -!- TTN [TTN!~TTN@unaffiliated/ttn] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:15:17] -!- dhoovie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[09:23:16] <Crom_> ugh mach3 sucks!!
[09:23:20] <Crom_> 87,338,854 dial2bird3.tap
[09:23:20] <Crom_> 155,460 dial2bird3out.tap
[09:24:01] <Crom_> dial2bird3.tap is generated from mach3, the out file is all the not needed crap taken out
[09:24:09] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~ballen@c114-77-179-73.hillc3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:25:51] <rue_shop3> whats filtered out?
[09:25:55] <rue_shop3> zero moves?
[09:26:04] <rue_shop3> redundant Z?
[09:27:46] <Crom_> straight line redundant moves
[09:28:01] <Crom_> there's a line every 0.002
[09:28:55] -!- mttr has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[09:29:03] <Crom_> so from x0 y0 z-0.002 to x0 y4 z-0.002 there is line for y0.000, y0.002, y0.004, ...
[09:30:22] <Crom_> working on the math to filter out circular redundants
[09:36:56] <Crom_> nite nite sleepytime
[09:36:56] -!- Brunetty [Brunetty!~Brunetty@unaffiliated/brunetty] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:37:04] -!- Crom_ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[10:04:22] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[10:07:16] -!- new2cnc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[10:08:11] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:08:13] -!- phantoxe [phantoxe!~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:10:23] -!- Reventlov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:10:56] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:33:35] -!- ashcan [ashcan!~robert@navsoft.plus.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:34:42] -!- ashcan has quit [Client Quit]
[10:36:01] -!- the_wench has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
[10:37:24] -!- archivist has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[10:38:14] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:41:04] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:50:02] -!- archivist [archivist!~archivist@host81-149-189-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:53:22] -!- logger[mah]_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:54:21] -!- gennro_ [gennro_!~gennro@ip68-224-129-2.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:54:24] -!- logger[mah] [logger[mah]!~loggermah@mah2.mah.priv.at] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:54:25] Loetmichel2 is now known as Loetmichel
[10:55:48] -!- gennro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:55:48] -!- remix_tj has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[10:59:33] -!- djinni` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[11:02:08] -!- djinni` [djinni`!~djinni@105.ip-167-114-152.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:03:43] -!- Nutter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[11:04:37] -!- Nutter [Nutter!~hehe@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:f62c:b508:6f00] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:05:08] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[11:07:07] -!- malcom2073 [malcom2073!~quassel@mikesshop.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:08:03] -!- TTN has quit [Quit: gnight :)]
[11:08:22] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:11:13] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[11:36:54] -!- zeitue has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[11:38:25] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:41:11] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[11:46:14] micges_ is now known as micges
[11:49:10] -!- zeitue [zeitue!~z@67.221.132.192] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:50:46] -!- phantoxe has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[11:55:39] -!- ChALkeR has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[12:06:07] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
[12:08:28] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:11:49] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[12:16:03] -!- robertm [robertm!~robertm@gateway/tor-sasl/robertm] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:28:46] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[12:33:30] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[12:34:26] -!- skunkworks has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[12:38:34] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:41:18] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[12:46:56] -!- codepython7771 has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[12:47:11] -!- balestrino [balestrino!~SB@131.114.31.66] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:52:17] amnesic_away is now known as amnesic
[12:54:51] dagjomar_ is now known as dagjomar
[12:59:20] amnesic is now known as amnesic_away
[13:04:43] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~skunkwork@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:06:35] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[13:08:40] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:11:12] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[13:27:25] -!- skunksleep [skunksleep!~AndChat14@str-broadband-ccmts-ws-26.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:35:36] -!- balestrino has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[13:38:46] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:39:25] -!- anarchos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[13:41:32] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[13:46:40] amnesic_away is now known as amnesic
[13:48:39] -!- phantoxe [phantoxe!~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:49:29] -!- newbiexunil [newbiexunil!~kvirc@85.207.94.139] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:55:48] -!- syyl [syyl!~sg@p579B1D8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:55:50] -!- karavanjo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[14:07:23] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
[14:07:43] -!- robertm has quit [*.net *.split]
[14:09:51] -!- karavanjo has quit [Quit: karavanjo]
[14:25:49] -!- `Nerobro [`Nerobro!~wolfeman@fg300a.skylan.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:35:30] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:38:49] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:38:56] -!- norias [norias!~jm@2601:7:9800:df14:ddc0:da19:f89:5e38] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:41:39] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[14:44:16] -!- fluffybitchx [fluffybitchx!~randyg@72.57.174.60] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:59:31] -!- phantoxe has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[15:02:43] <ssi> good morning linuxcncers
[15:08:01] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[15:10:33] -!- balestrino [balestrino!~SB@host121-221-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:14:10] -!- phantoxe [phantoxe!~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:18:19] <jdh> yeah.
[15:20:53] -!- newbiexunil has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net]
[15:26:52] -!- zeitue has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[15:26:59] <fluffybitchx> everything works perfectly at 5A, but if I set the driver current up to 9A where it should be, it faults after a couple seconds of movement.
[15:31:21] <fluffybitchx> I haven't tried middle settings yet, but there's still something off...
[15:31:37] <ssi> what drivers/motors?
[15:33:39] <fluffybitchx> centent cn0165 drives, pacsci E33NLFA-LNN-NS-0
[15:34:12] <fluffybitchx> 10A drives, 8.6A/phase motors
[15:35:00] <fluffybitchx> drives have 0.5mH minimum inductance, motors are 2.3mH, so not that.
[15:35:38] <ssi> what voltage is your supply?
[15:35:57] <fluffybitchx> 58V
[15:36:07] <fluffybitchx> (measured)
[15:36:49] <skunkworks> have you measured the voltage while running at the higher amperage?
[15:36:59] <ssi> yea I'm wondering if your supply is sagging under load
[15:37:01] <fluffybitchx> yes.
[15:37:05] <fluffybitchx> 58V. :P
[15:37:17] <skunkworks> I was wondering if it went up.. ;)
[15:37:23] <fluffybitchx> it drifts up to 59ish unloaded.
[15:37:44] <ssi> skunkworks: like regen overvolt?
[15:38:19] <fluffybitchx> the supply is oversized for just one drive. 40VAC 625VA transformer (puts out 43VAC measured), 50A bridge, 37,000uF capacitor in the supply, 1000uF cap at the drive.
[15:38:30] <fluffybitchx> it doesn't sag much with only one drive on it.
[15:38:37] <skunkworks> ssi, right
[15:39:00] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:39:06] <skunkworks> what is the max volts of the drive?
[15:39:32] <fluffybitchx> 80V
[15:39:42] <skunkworks> ok
[15:39:58] <fluffybitchx> it's not a voltage issue. :)
[15:40:25] <skunkworks> I guess is the drives can't handle the current for those steppers.. too much noise getting back into the electronics.. have you tried 7a or 8a?
[15:40:48] <fluffybitchx> no, I couldn't find the right resistor. lol
[15:41:20] <fluffybitchx> the drives are rated for 10A, and has resistors for all the way to 10A in the table on top of the drive
[15:41:42] <fluffybitchx> actually, I do have the right resistor for 7A... I just grabbed the one for 5A because I wanted to see if it was current-related.
[15:41:43] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[15:42:46] <fluffybitchx> but it shouldn't fault with any resistor... the manual even says to leave the resistor out if you want to run at the full 10A.
[15:42:51] -!- i_tarzan [i_tarzan!~i_tarzan@189.180.179.136] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:44:52] <skunkworks> I had an issue with parker drives when I didn't know the current of the steppers and over-drove them. the drives just acted stupid. (missing step, random error) lowered the current and everything was fine.
[15:45:47] <fluffybitchx> in this case, the drive is acting like it has a shorted motor. according to the manual, it only trips fault on short-circuit, undervoltage, or overheat. neither of the latter two is happening.
[15:48:18] -!- norias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[15:49:08] <fluffybitchx> bbl, time for work
[15:56:01] -!- fluffybitchx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[15:56:36] -!- the_wench [the_wench!~the_wench@host81-149-189-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:57:01] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[15:59:47] -!- f1oat [f1oat!~f1oat@AMontsouris-553-1-23-248.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:00:56] -!- codepython7771 [codepython7771!~codepytho@wg-dhcp201d193d016.secure.wireless.fsu.edu] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:01:09] <archivist> remind fluffybitchx about series or parallel for his coils
[16:02:35] -!- codepython7771 has quit [Client Quit]
[16:03:44] -!- FreezingAlt [FreezingAlt!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:06:50] -!- FreezingCold has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[16:07:30] -!- Merit2000 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[16:07:53] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Changing host]
[16:08:36] -!- PetefromTn_ [PetefromTn_!~IceChat9@75-136-60-251.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:08:43] -!- swingley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[16:10:32] <skunkworks> archivist: good point
[16:19:59] -!- FrozenCow_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
[16:26:26] -!- `Nerobro has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[16:32:47] -!- adb [adb!~IonMoldov@2a02:120b:2c0b:96c0:baac:6fff:fe67:305f] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:34:31] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[16:34:35] -!- FrozenCow_ [FrozenCow_!~FrozenCow@092-111-152-106.static.chello.nl] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:36:37] -!- koo5 [koo5!~sirdancea@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:37:53] -!- FreezingAlt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[16:39:13] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:40:25] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Changing host]
[16:42:14] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[16:49:56] -!- quiqua has quit [Quit: quiqua]
[17:09:19] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:11:57] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[17:13:17] -!- skunkworks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[17:21:08] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[17:22:12] -!- jerryitt has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[17:22:35] -!- toner [toner!~ink@c-71-198-91-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:25:52] -!- FrozenCow_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[17:36:01] -!- PetefromTn_ has quit [Quit: I'm Outta here!!]
[17:39:23] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:42:03] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[17:42:31] -!- ejb has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…]
[17:46:28] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:46:30] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:46:32] amnesic is now known as amnesic_away
[17:47:29] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Client Quit]
[17:54:36] -!- f1oat2 [f1oat2!~f1oat@AMontsouris-553-1-74-212.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:55:52] -!- f1oat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[18:09:27] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:12:05] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[18:26:24] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[18:26:44] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[18:38:42] -!- TTN [TTN!~TTN@27.110.122.139] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:38:42] -!- TTN has quit [Changing host]
[18:38:42] -!- TTN [TTN!~TTN@unaffiliated/ttn] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:38:59] -!- phantoxe has quit []
[18:39:06] -!- norias [norias!~IceChat7@173-13-55-44-Pennsylvania.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:39:32] <norias> hello
[18:39:33] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:40:36] <_methods> hello
[18:40:46] <norias> how are you?
[18:40:59] <_methods> i'm still on this side of the grass
[18:41:31] <malcom2073> Hi
[18:41:52] <norias> hmm, good point, methods
[18:41:57] <_methods> hehe
[18:42:07] <norias> so, i'm not too bright when it comes to electronics
[18:42:12] <norias> but i got some stuff from mesa..
[18:42:14] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[18:42:20] <norias> the 7i33TA
[18:42:27] <norias> and i see all the input is 5V
[18:42:38] <norias> how in the world does it get the 10V for output?
[18:42:57] <ssi> it creates it
[18:43:01] <ssi> with a charge pump I think
[18:43:09] <norias> so, hmm
[18:43:21] <norias> need way more A on the input than the output?
[18:43:35] <ssi> yeah, but the 10v outputs don't need to be much current
[18:43:40] <norias> ahh, ok
[18:43:48] <norias> surprising
[18:44:01] <norias> i guess all that really happens in the servo amplifier
[18:44:13] <ssi> yes; the servo reference inputs are fairly high impedance
[18:45:21] <zeeshan|2> your face is high impedance
[18:45:26] <ssi> it totally is
[18:45:29] <norias> spent the weekend reading about skunk works
[18:45:30] <zeeshan|2> dude
[18:45:32] <norias> good stuff
[18:45:34] <zeeshan|2> help me decide on wTF to do
[18:45:41] <ssi> easy
[18:45:42] <ssi> get on a plane
[18:45:45] <ssi> come here
[18:45:47] <ssi> lets build shit
[18:45:50] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:45:55] <jdh> buy new motors and drives
[18:45:57] <zeeshan|2> dude my kind isnt allowed in the south
[18:46:03] <ssi> bs
[18:46:04] <zeeshan|2> kkk will get me
[18:46:15] <ssi> you've obviously never been to the south
[18:46:19] <zeeshan|2> dude last time i went to nyc
[18:46:20] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[18:46:26] <zeeshan|2> this was 2 y ears after 9/11
[18:46:31] <zeeshan|2> i was at dennys
[18:46:35] <ssi> they're getting pretty close to eliminating white people around here
[18:46:43] <_methods> hahah
[18:46:45] <_methods> freaknik
[18:46:45] <zeeshan|2> some biker guys walked by us and went "snifff sniff "
[18:46:49] <zeeshan|2> "smells like taliban in here"
[18:46:50] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[18:46:57] <zeeshan|2> i couldnt stop laughing my ass off
[18:46:57] <norias> whoa
[18:46:59] <zeeshan|2> they got so pissed
[18:47:01] <ssi> you should have shot an RPG at them
[18:47:08] <_methods> pew pew
[18:47:35] <zeeshan|2> i c alled a place that has a test stand for my motor
[18:47:48] <_methods> were you wearing a thawb or something lol
[18:47:50] <zeeshan|2> 250$ to do diagnoistics, will waive it if i get it repaired from them
[18:47:57] <zeeshan|2> no _methods i was just wearing brown skin
[18:48:02] <_methods> hehe
[18:48:10] <_methods> but new york is liberal
[18:48:20] <_methods> they don't have racists there
[18:48:22] <_methods> only in the south
[18:48:32] <ssi> we have plenty of racists in the south
[18:48:34] <zeeshan|2> well historically south has been the most racist
[18:48:45] <ssi> that's why white people are almost extinct
[18:49:06] <zeeshan|2> help me decide. plug in motor to drive
[18:49:07] <_methods> they all moved to macon
[18:49:08] <zeeshan|2> and see if it blows up
[18:49:13] <zeeshan|2> if it blows up i now its motor
[18:49:22] <zeeshan|2> then i buy 1.2kW motor and drive matched set
[18:49:22] <ssi> the drives are cheap
[18:49:23] <ssi> :P
[18:49:26] <zeeshan|2> dude
[18:49:29] <zeeshan|2> theyre getting rare on ebay
[18:49:31] <zeeshan|2> the ac version
[18:49:34] <ssi> it goes in cycles
[18:49:36] <zeeshan|2> damn people in here buying shit
[18:49:46] <ssi> I shouldn't have told you about them
[18:49:49] <ssi> hahah
[18:49:54] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[18:50:03] <zeeshan|2> dude, im been demoting amc in here
[18:50:06] <zeeshan|2> so people would stop buying them
[18:50:09] <ssi> lawl
[18:50:09] <zeeshan|2> more stock for us
[18:50:32] <_methods> well if someone would stop burning them all up.........
[18:50:38] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[18:50:42] <zeeshan|2> this 3rd one hasnt burned so far
[18:50:46] <zeeshan|2> but the motor hasnt been hooked up
[18:50:52] <ssi> between the two of us we've killed a lot of those drives :P
[18:50:55] <zeeshan|2> im really hoping it's what pcw said . a transient problem
[18:50:58] <zeeshan|2> w/ me having one drive on l2
[18:51:01] <zeeshan|2> isntead of all of em on l1
[18:51:10] <zeeshan|2> ssi: youve only killed one
[18:51:15] <zeeshan|2> the other wasnt your fault lol
[18:51:20] <ssi> well technically it was
[18:51:20] <zeeshan|2> ive blown up 3
[18:51:46] <zeeshan|2> but you have to admit
[18:51:50] <zeeshan|2> theyre not well design drives
[18:51:59] <zeeshan|2> like if you compare it to say a yaskawa drive
[18:52:02] <zeeshan|2> or even allen bradley
[18:52:10] <zeeshan|2> those drives have a proper chassis
[18:52:19] <zeeshan|2> no bullshit like "Screwdriver slips and shorts shit"
[18:52:25] <ssi> yea I thought the same thing about those parker drives
[18:52:27] <ssi> but they screwed me
[18:52:34] <zeeshan|2> they were blown?
[18:52:37] <ssi> no
[18:52:39] <ssi> they are useless
[18:52:46] <zeeshan|2> why
[18:52:47] -!- TTN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[18:53:02] <ssi> because they have no velocity or torque mode
[18:53:12] <zeeshan|2> wtf do they have
[18:53:14] <ssi> the only way you can run them is to set them up internally and send them serial commands
[18:53:14] <zeeshan|2> current mode only?
[18:53:17] <ssi> position mode only
[18:53:19] <witnit> i have 6 yaskawa in operation that ran back in the late 80, early 90s
[18:53:21] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:53:21] <ssi> and you can't run them realtime
[18:53:37] <zeeshan|2> sounds like something thats meant to control
[18:53:38] <ssi> I have SIX of the bastards :(
[18:53:40] <zeeshan|2> hydraulic actuators
[18:53:49] <zeeshan|2> servohydraulic
[18:53:52] <ssi> they get used a lot for conveyor systems
[18:54:06] <witnit> I want some servohydraulic
[18:54:09] <witnit> gimme
[18:54:12] <zeeshan|2> we has at school
[18:54:19] <zeeshan|2> all our presses are servo hydraulic
[18:54:21] <zeeshan|2> shit is cool
[18:54:43] <witnit> are they accurate or just "cnc"
[18:54:52] <zeeshan|2> well we can hold a thou easily
[18:55:13] <zeeshan|2> its a press so we usually run it in force feedback mode
[18:55:21] <zeeshan|2> and punch displacement is more important
[18:55:31] <zeeshan|2> and that can hold a thou easy
[18:55:39] <witnit> I thought about replacing the hydraulic slides on my hardinge with servo actuated control vavle
[18:56:10] <ssi> when you do, send me the slides
[18:56:13] <ssi> I don't have them for mine
[18:56:14] <zeeshan|2> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8569/16298481399_69f157cca5_h.jpg
[18:56:17] <zeeshan|2> picked this up
[18:56:21] <zeeshan|2> i inspected the tools
[18:56:23] <zeeshan|2> only one is bad
[18:56:31] <zeeshan|2> and 2 nuts are bad
[18:56:38] <ssi> dang, nice
[18:56:39] <ssi> how much
[18:56:48] <zeeshan|2> 300 w/ the racks
[18:56:54] <ssi> not bad at all
[18:56:55] <witnit> well i plan to use them, i just want to control them with cnc instead of an adjustable button
[18:56:58] <zeeshan|2> there is a cabinet too but i couldnt bring it cause it wouldnt fit in my car
[18:57:02] <ssi> are they the right taper for your machine?
[18:57:05] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:57:05] <zeeshan|2> cat40
[18:57:30] <witnit> what machines do you have ssi?
[18:57:37] <ssi> I have an HNC
[18:57:43] <ssi> and a cinci sabre 500
[18:57:47] <ssi> and a southbend heavy 10
[18:57:51] <ssi> and an enco 9x42
[18:57:56] <ssi> and a 4x4' plasma table
[18:58:04] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16484748795/
[18:58:05] <ssi> and a reid 2C 6x18 grinder
[18:58:06] <zeeshan|2> wtf is this thing
[18:58:06] <witnit> pictures of the hnc?
[18:58:15] <ssi> and a diacro 18 turret punch press
[18:58:24] <ssi> and a G0602 converted
[18:58:29] <ssi> and a G0704 mid-conversion
[18:58:32] <ssi> I think that's it :D
[18:58:32] <zeeshan|2> holy shit
[18:58:34] <zeeshan|2> its a tapping chuck
[18:58:34] <_methods> tapping head
[18:58:53] <ssi> dang nice, does it have collets?
[18:58:56] <ssi> the collets can be expensive
[18:59:10] <_methods> they aren't too bad usually
[18:59:14] <zeeshan|2> i think that thing is a collet
[18:59:19] <_methods> no it has inserts
[18:59:20] <zeeshan|2> it says 5/8" on it
[18:59:30] <witnit> that it a tap holder it looks like
[18:59:30] <_methods> for diff size taps
[18:59:46] <witnit> does the bushing in it float?
[18:59:49] <_methods> yeah
[18:59:52] <zeeshan|2> that black thing spins
[19:00:12] <ssi> witnit: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/465123_811175720902_290089005_o.jpg
[19:00:16] <ssi> that's what it looked like when I got it
[19:00:16] -!- toast-work [toast-work!88a09759@gateway/web/freenode/ip.136.160.151.89] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:00:42] <zeeshan|2> thats a huge control cabinet
[19:00:43] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:00:47] <ssi> yeah
[19:00:47] <witnit> if you dont mind my asking what state do you live in ssi?
[19:00:50] <ssi> and it was FULL
[19:00:53] <ssi> witnit: georgia
[19:00:57] <witnit> damn
[19:01:11] <witnit> I just saw a chucker, michigan
[19:01:35] <ssi> I need to get my HNC set back up
[19:01:45] <ssi> I need to do a lot of things :(
[19:01:55] <ssi> need to set the plasma cutter back up too, and start building another laser
[19:01:59] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AHC-HARDINGE-AUTOMATIC-SUPER-PRECISION-LATHE-27019-/371236722957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item566f6ed90d
[19:01:59] <ssi> and finish the vmc retrofit
[19:02:06] <witnit> that would be a fun project
[19:02:11] <ssi> ugh no
[19:02:13] <ssi> you don't want an AHC
[19:02:14] <witnit> no?
[19:02:17] <witnit> why not?
[19:02:29] <ssi> they're all hydraulic and mechanical stops
[19:03:43] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~chatzilla@str-broadband-ccmts-ws-26.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:04:50] <witnit> I use a very similar machine, It has a turret in the back though, I just put a servo on it. and control each crosslide by triggering relays in sequence
[19:04:58] -!- danylevskyi has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:05:14] <witnit> 1 servo turret lathe
[19:05:34] <witnit> works great if you need 5,000 of something
[19:06:20] <ssi> if you have the machine, and you have repetetive jobs, sure
[19:06:27] <ssi> they don't make good linuxcnc retrofits tho
[19:06:40] <ssi> and that machine you linked isn't worth a third of the price they're asking
[19:06:42] <witnit> i run a screw machine shop, so yea repetitive is my thing :)
[19:06:49] <witnit> no, i bought mine for 250
[19:06:50] <witnit> hahahaha
[19:06:51] <ssi> I only paid $1000 for my HNC
[19:07:02] <witnit> nice
[19:07:19] <witnit> i got a dv-59 too in the deal
[19:07:48] <witnit> ended up spending more for a verticle slide and collet closer than i did the machine :)
[19:08:11] <zeeshan|2> anyone heard of
[19:08:13] <zeeshan|2> tg10 collets?
[19:08:18] -!- theorbtwo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[19:08:24] <witnit> nay
[19:09:42] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:10:10] <toast-work> yep
[19:10:13] <toast-work> I've used them
[19:10:18] <toast-work> would prefer not to use them again
[19:10:18] <zeeshan|2> are they any good
[19:10:20] <zeeshan|2> why
[19:10:25] <toast-work> they get stuck in the taper
[19:10:36] <toast-work> and don't come out easy
[19:10:37] <zeeshan|2> i dont plan to remove the tool
[19:10:43] <zeeshan|2> i just wanna hold different tools
[19:10:44] <ssi> ever? :P
[19:10:49] <zeeshan|2> well sometimes
[19:10:56] <zeeshan|2> ive tried it on a 1/2" end mill
[19:10:57] <toast-work> then get a heat shrink tool holder
[19:10:59] <zeeshan|2> seemed to grip it fine
[19:11:05] <zeeshan|2> no
[19:11:06] <zeeshan|2> these were cheap
[19:11:14] <toast-work> yeah, they're cheap because everyone hates them
[19:11:22] <zeeshan|2> im curious how well they grip tools
[19:11:31] <toast-work> same as every other collet
[19:11:37] <zeeshan|2> ok sweet
[19:11:41] <zeeshan|2> thats all that matters to me :D
[19:12:06] <toast-work> i.e. if you really haul on it, it'll spin
[19:12:32] <zeeshan|2> 3 of the tool holders
[19:12:36] <zeeshan|2> use a collet ive never seen before
[19:12:36] <zeeshan|2> sk10
[19:12:38] <zeeshan|2> theyre diny
[19:12:40] <zeeshan|2> dinky
[19:12:46] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[19:12:48] <ssi> I had a spindle that used those
[19:12:51] <zeeshan|2> lyndex collets
[19:14:07] <zeeshan|2> looks like same price as er collets
[19:14:10] <witnit> ssi do you have a barloader/puller on yours?
[19:14:23] <toast-work> i have ALSO used those
[19:14:29] <toast-work> and they are just as much a pain in the dick
[19:16:36] <zeeshan|2> for some reason
[19:16:40] <zeeshan|2> i always fucked fuck on shell mill holders
[19:16:44] <zeeshan|2> first i ordered the wrong one
[19:16:49] <zeeshan|2> now these 2 that igot with this haul
[19:16:59] <zeeshan|2> theyre too big
[19:17:00] <zeeshan|2> !!!
[19:17:40] -!- theorbtwo [theorbtwo!~theorb@cpc8-swin16-2-0-cust252.3-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:18:04] -!- Rickta59 has quit [Quit: leaving]
[19:18:20] -!- Rickta59 [Rickta59!~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-151-175.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:23:01] -!- framer99 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[19:24:41] -!- pandeiro has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:25:48] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[19:26:44] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[19:27:08] -!- FreezingAlt [FreezingAlt!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:28:03] -!- tom_o_t has quit [Changing host]
[19:28:22] -!- PCW [PCW!~chatzilla@99.88.10.65] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:35:07] -!- tronwizard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[19:35:25] -!- tronwizard [tronwizard!~tronwizar@24.229.167.126.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:37:35] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16484748795/in/photostream/
[19:37:39] <zeeshan|2> man im lost as to how this works
[19:37:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:37:47] <zeeshan|2> er i need a pic of th e front
[19:37:56] <Connor> >>
[19:38:01] <Connor> ??
[19:38:23] <zeeshan|2> ??
[19:38:33] <Connor> How what works?
[19:38:38] <zeeshan|2> that tapping chuck
[19:38:39] <Connor> That looks like a collet rack.
[19:39:00] <zeeshan|2> look at the tool damn it
[19:39:01] <zeeshan|2> ahha
[19:39:45] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:40:56] <Connor> If it's a tapping chuck. it's probably setup to hold a tap on 4 sides maybe ?
[19:41:09] <Connor> the square ended taps?
[19:42:22] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:42:27] <Rab> zeeshan|2, http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/part_pics/19719b.jpg
[19:42:51] <Connor> zeeshan|2: Figure out the driver failure ?
[19:43:42] <Rab> Looks like it takes quick-change inserts, which actually hold the taps.
[19:44:12] <zeeshan|2> connor no
[19:44:43] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7375/16297564118_5ec3532bcb_h.jpg
[19:44:46] <zeeshan|2> front of tool
[19:45:14] <Rab> Oh, it's got an insert installed.
[19:45:17] <zeeshan|2> is that whole thing supposed to pull out
[19:45:22] <zeeshan|2> and if so, how?!
[19:45:31] <Connor> slide it back..
[19:45:31] <Rab> http://img3.annuncicdn.it/96/c6/96c636464daca65cfb93302035ebb40f_orig.jpg
[19:45:35] <Connor> the outer coller
[19:45:47] <zeeshan|2> rab youre a google king
[19:45:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:45:49] <_methods> yeah it pulls out
[19:45:58] <zeeshan|2> what keeps the tap in?
[19:45:59] <_methods> you put in an insert for your tap size
[19:46:06] <_methods> ball baearings i think
[19:46:09] <_methods> pull the insert out
[19:46:13] <zeeshan|2> ok lemme try
[19:46:14] <Rab> http://img3.annuncicdn.it/9f/af/9faf609591808780847419dca33660b5_orig.jpg
[19:46:28] <Rab> Looks like ball bearing collar.
[19:46:30] <_methods> pull the head back and the insert should be able to come out
[19:47:13] <Rab> You can see from the back how the inserts are sized for individual taps: http://img2.annuncicdn.it/0a/9c/0a9c9c4eada1a58b68cf3160550d53b4_orig.jpg
[19:47:49] <_methods> i think some you have to compress the had back and twist it then the insert will come out
[19:47:54] <_methods> s/had/head
[19:48:45] <_methods> http://www.bilzusa.com/parts_info.php?tool=tapping_WFLK_chuck_cylindrical
[19:49:09] <_methods> http://www.bilz.de/fileadmin/Bilz/Produkte_Einzelseiten_Download/Gewinden/Kapitel_TapGrip_2014/WFLK_58-65_8-2014.pdf
[19:50:12] <_methods> haha the instructions are hilarious
[19:51:04] <_methods> well the translation at least
[19:52:30] <FinboySlick> As I understand, most auto-drawbars are pneumatic. Are there working electro-magnetic examples or would it be too difficult to reliably generate the necessary forces over the typical clamping distance?
[19:52:58] <_methods> that would be ugly in a power outage situation i think
[19:53:40] <FinboySlick> Well, from what I understand, spring pressure is what holds the tool. Pneumatic force is what releases it, no?
[19:53:54] <_methods> oh true
[19:54:14] <_methods> i thought you were talking about holding it with magnets
[19:54:20] <FinboySlick> I was just wondering if there are spindles doing it with an electro-magnet.
[19:54:30] <_methods> not sure
[19:54:31] <FinboySlick> Nah, that'd be pretty insane.
[19:55:16] -!- PetefromTn_ [PetefromTn_!~IceChat9@75-136-60-251.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:55:22] <FinboySlick> Yo pete.
[19:56:09] <PetefromTn_> hellp
[19:56:12] <PetefromTn_> hello
[19:56:13] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[19:56:17] <rue_shop3> I'm starting to understand the print bed adhesion is exponential with temperature. how about a show of hands, who has to scrape their print so hard it usually tears up the tape off the bed? (unheated bed) ???
[19:56:24] <Deejay> hi PetefromTn_
[19:56:31] <PetefromTn_> HEY DEEJAY!!
[19:56:53] <Deejay> yay \o/
[19:57:20] <_methods> wrong room
[20:02:27] <Tom_itx> be careful if you see some amc drives on ebay in the next few weeks
[20:02:53] * Tom_itx looks at zeeshan|2
[20:03:09] <Tom_itx> you making any headway?
[20:03:28] <ssi> witnit: no, no barfeeder on mine sadly
[20:03:35] <ssi> or cutoff slide or part chute
[20:03:51] -!- FreezingDroid [FreezingDroid!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:04:51] FreezingDroid is now known as FreezingCold
[20:05:39] <rue_shop3> wrong channel
[20:05:47] <rue_shop3> :)
[20:06:33] <rue_shop3> Tom_itx, I saw 5A axis driver boxes from china for $15 yesterday
[20:06:53] <rue_shop3> I cringed
[20:07:01] <Tom_itx> those are chinese amps
[20:07:10] <rue_shop3> yea
[20:07:23] -!- FreezingAlt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[20:08:39] <zeeshan|2> guess why i couldnt figure it out?
[20:08:48] <zeeshan|2> shit was jammed
[20:08:51] <zeeshan|2> those images you guys posted help a lot
[20:08:53] <Tom_itx> what was jammed?
[20:09:00] <zeeshan|2> the tapping chuck
[20:09:06] <zeeshan|2> was stick in the arbor
[20:09:12] <zeeshan|2> grease locked
[20:09:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:09:20] <Tom_itx> oh i thought you had a story about your Z drive
[20:09:23] <witnit> ssi i didnt have a barfeed either, so i did this for about $40 i suppose, grey pvc conduit, blackpipe liner, pushrod with leather seals. air from endcap on pipe 30lbs or so. pneumatic barload
[20:09:24] -!- fluffybitchx [fluffybitchx!~randyg@68.27.214.175] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:09:28] <zeeshan|2> some brake cleaner freed it up
[20:09:30] <zeeshan|2> works good now
[20:09:31] <ssi> nice
[20:09:49] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:09:56] <PetefromTn_> witnit please post what you are talking about if you have photos etc.
[20:10:18] <witnit> Petefromtn sorry no pics
[20:10:34] <Tom_itx> you have a hard stop it buts up against?
[20:10:45] <fluffybitchx> I turned my drives on before my laptop this time, and observed something odd: during the POST, the bios seems to be writing all sorts of stuff to the parallel port. do they all do this, or is my laptop odd?
[20:10:47] <witnit> yeah bolted on the back of the machine
[20:10:52] <witnit> just a collar
[20:11:26] <fluffybitchx> also, now I know to make very sure I don't turn them on in the wrong order, as there was a lot of movement.
[20:11:47] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: you dont have a breakout board
[20:11:49] <witnit> I just used a yoke and collar I could lift it off and slide the bar down the tube, pushing back the inner pushrod
[20:11:53] <zeeshan|2> with isolation?
[20:12:12] <fluffybitchx> ... isolation will just isolate whatever it is writing. :P
[20:12:35] <fluffybitchx> the board I have is semi-isolated. inputs and spindle control are isolated, step/dir is buffered.
[20:12:43] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[20:13:47] -!- md-2 has quit [Client Quit]
[20:14:05] <witnit> -----air line---{_|____black pipe_____] {}--pushrod-{}----------
[20:14:09] <witnit> PetefromTn_, ^^
[20:14:25] <witnit> hahaha pictures ahahha
[20:14:51] <PetefromTn_> how did you accomplish the floating pneumatics part?
[20:15:03] <witnit> taper cone on end of pushrod
[20:15:11] <witnit> low pressure when spindle turning
[20:15:30] <witnit> little bearing behind the cone
[20:15:36] <witnit> so the bar is suspended
[20:15:47] <witnit> between collet and cone
[20:16:39] <PetefromTn_> so other than the spinning cone the rest is not affixed to the machine itself
[20:17:00] <witnit> not the spindle no
[20:17:06] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: yea but w/ some breakout boards
[20:17:10] <zeeshan|2> the i/o section stays off
[20:17:24] <zeeshan|2> till you power up fully
[20:17:29] <zeeshan|2> ie 7i77 :)_
[20:17:39] <fluffybitchx> for putting flats on my motor shafts, should I try to cut them with an endmill, or just grab my angle grinder and have at it?
[20:17:40] <witnit> just held to the stand and a yoke behind spindle
[20:17:51] <PetefromTn_> I am going to want to have a pneumatic 5c collet drawbar and have been working on a design to machine one for the Standard Modern lathe here.
[20:17:51] <fluffybitchx> yes, if you spend $200 instead of $9, you get more features.
[20:17:53] <Connor> witnit What is this for ?
[20:17:54] <ssi> they're probably harder than you'd like
[20:18:00] <witnit> barfeed
[20:18:05] <ssi> just beware of grinding dust in your bearings
[20:18:17] -!- anarchos [anarchos!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:18:18] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[20:18:21] <zeeshan|2> grind dust in bearings is a good thing
[20:18:24] <zeeshan|2> it polishes them
[20:18:26] <ssi> :D
[20:18:29] <fluffybitchx> yes, I suspect they're fairly hard...
[20:18:29] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:18:36] <fluffybitchx> and my plan was a rag around the shaft. heh.
[20:18:39] <witnit> PetefromTn_, I will take pictures soon and show you how i did the push rod and mounting the collar and such
[20:18:40] <jdh> there was a collet chuck article in a mag in the last year or so
[20:18:45] <ssi> do you do port n' polish on your racecar by dumping blast media in the intake?
[20:18:48] <ssi> cause that's teh best way
[20:18:49] <ssi> everyone knows
[20:18:51] <PetefromTn_> a bar feeder of some sort at a later date is a foregone conclusion
[20:18:52] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: theyre not hard at all
[20:18:58] <Connor> fluffybitchx: Painters tape...
[20:19:02] <fluffybitchx> but, doing it with machine tools will make a nice neat flat, while a handheld anglegrinder will make an ugly flat.
[20:19:02] <witnit> off the the shop =D
[20:19:07] <witnit> to the*
[20:19:08] <zeeshan|2> i machined mine w/ an end mill
[20:19:08] <witnit> haha
[20:19:10] <ssi> fluffybitchx: surface grinder! :D
[20:19:15] <zeeshan|2> the hardest part is stopping the motor shaft from spinning
[20:19:20] <PetefromTn_> witnit thank you.
[20:19:34] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i disagree
[20:19:40] <zeeshan|2> you can do a good job with an angle grinder
[20:19:42] <zeeshan|2> if you take your time
[20:19:45] <fluffybitchx> maybe YOU can.
[20:19:49] <fluffybitchx> I have shakey paws.
[20:22:28] <fluffybitchx> stopping the shaft from spinning is easy. flip the power switch on the drive box. :P
[20:23:05] -!- Komzzzpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:24:17] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:24:26] <zeeshan|2> mine had a dual shaft
[20:24:48] <zeeshan|2> so i used a shitty drill chuck with a vise grip on the body of the drill chuck
[20:24:50] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:24:58] <fluffybitchx> that works too, but I figured just letting the motor hold itself in place was much easier.
[20:25:16] <zeeshan|2> wasn't sure if it'd make it loose steps
[20:25:18] <zeeshan|2> didnt wanna take a chance
[20:25:29] <PetefromTn_> I had more luck honestly with pinning the shafts to the pullies on the RF45 I built.
[20:25:41] -!- Komzpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:25:49] <rue_shop3> the cam package I'm looking at, dosn't seem to use arcs, it looks like its builting everything into line segments
[20:26:21] <zeeshan|2> yea i hate flats on a shaft
[20:26:59] <fluffybitchx> one of my three motors is drilled for a pin, but of course it doesn't match my pullies.
[20:27:11] <fluffybitchx> the rest of the mill is built with flats.
[20:27:18] <ssi> rue_shop3: that's pretty common
[20:27:26] <toast-work> most cam packages do everything with line segments
[20:27:36] <toast-work> since the circular interpolation, internally, is done the same way
[20:28:47] <fluffybitchx> the motor I have for Z is crappier than the pair I have for X and Y... I'm hoping having a slow Z axis doesn't turn into an annoyance.
[20:44:42] <anarchos> speaking of grinding flats, does anyone else have a cncfusion kit?
[20:44:45] -!- Demiurge has quit [Quit: Demiurge]
[20:45:04] <anarchos> my ball screws don't have flats, and i was wondering if that was an oversight or if i'm expected to do it myself :P
[20:45:35] <anarchos> just seemed a bit weird to sell a kit where everything is done for you and all you have to do is drill two holes...then send ball screws with no flats on the shaft :P
[20:46:39] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S01060014d19d0b68.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:47:11] <jdh> you dont use flats for all couplers
[20:47:30] <jdh> easy enough to file a flat
[20:47:50] <anarchos> oh no? I just kinda assumed mine needed them, since my couple is just a set screw holding onto a round bar
[20:48:18] <anarchos> i think it might be where i'm loosing z-steps, with the relatively high weight of my spindle/head
[20:48:26] <zeeshan|2> you know one cool thing ive recently started trying out
[20:48:39] <zeeshan|2> that i think works better than a flat
[20:49:25] <zeeshan|2> you put the pull on the shaft, take transfer screw, thread it in
[20:49:55] <zeeshan|2> after the mark is transfered, use a hand drill to jump the shaft
[20:50:00] <zeeshan|2> jump = dimple
[20:50:40] <anarchos> oh yeah, that would work too i bet
[20:50:50] <anarchos> just a little indentation for the set screw
[20:51:08] <zeeshan|2> you might shear it
[20:51:09] <zeeshan|2> if its to oshallow
[20:51:36] <zeeshan|2> can always do the math :P
[20:51:50] <fluffybitchx> works great until you realize it's in the wrong spot...
[20:54:05] <anarchos> lol
[20:54:14] <zeeshan|2> im abou tto hook up my Z axis motor
[20:54:15] <zeeshan|2> :p
[20:55:06] <jdh> bzzzzzz
[20:55:06] -!- anarchos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:56:26] -!- anarchos22 [anarchos22!~anarchos@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:56:27] -!- Nick001-shop [Nick001-shop!~chatzilla@50.107.131.199] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:07:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/design-tools
[21:08:59] <CaptHindsight> the unlimited connections version costs less than the limited to 1500
[21:09:44] -!- Loetmichel2 [Loetmichel2!~cylly@p54B11C48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:09:56] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:11:02] -!- Loetmichel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[21:12:38] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[21:15:25] <zeeshan|2> i am a happy person
[21:15:26] <zeeshan|2> !!!!!!!!!!!
[21:15:29] <zeeshan|2> IT DIDNT BLOW UP
[21:15:55] <zeeshan|2> i made a video of it, but no point in uploading
[21:16:00] <zeeshan|2> no fireworks
[21:17:49] <zeeshan|2> 11 e-stops so far
[21:18:38] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p5B2CC1EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:23:25] <Connor> zeeshan|2: What's changed ?
[21:23:35] <zeeshan|2> it can be only 2 things.
[21:23:38] <zeeshan|2> 1. the 2 drives were bad
[21:23:47] <zeeshan|2> or more than likely peter w. was right
[21:23:54] <zeeshan|2> moving from l2 to l1 fixed the problem
[21:24:02] <zeeshan|2> something to do with transient overvoltage
[21:24:12] <zeeshan|2> i really honestly didnt think that was the problem because my vfd which is also on l2 didnt blow up
[21:24:25] <zeeshan|2> but perhaps its input side can handle overvoltages a lot better than these shitty drives
[21:24:32] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[21:24:41] <Connor> OR.. Combination of the TWO
[21:24:55] <Connor> Weak Caps, and a transit overvoltage..
[21:25:12] <zeeshan|2> yes but the thing is it fried some sot-23 chip too
[21:25:30] <zeeshan|2> after reading about mosfets a bit
[21:25:52] <zeeshan|2> i think if they were indeed overvoltaged
[21:25:55] <zeeshan|2> they prolly passed 300 V
[21:26:00] <zeeshan|2> to the servo drive board
[21:26:14] <Connor> How would they have overvolted ?
[21:26:27] <zeeshan|2> pcw was saying something about a transient overvoltage
[21:26:31] <zeeshan|2> where when i kill 2 of my drives on l1
[21:26:41] <zeeshan|2> it blocks the neutral for the z drive
[21:26:43] <zeeshan|2> for 30 ms or so
[21:26:55] <zeeshan|2> which is enough to cause a large voltage spike
[21:27:30] <zeeshan|2> hows your kitchen|?
[21:27:41] <zeeshan|2> the other day i fixed my thermostatic mixing valve
[21:27:48] <zeeshan|2> that thing has so much calcification in there
[21:27:57] <zeeshan|2> was only getting luke warm water
[21:28:04] <zeeshan|2> finally have hot water again!
[21:28:37] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[21:29:15] <Connor> Got the plumbing done for the drain. now to remove some trim around the window.. shut water off and remove the old ball valves for the hot and cold water.. install sheet rock and put new ball valves on.
[21:29:41] <jdh> what a pain
[21:30:15] <zeeshan|2> fun
[21:30:28] <Connor> Debating about removing the trim. I could cut the old sheetrock off right below the window...
[21:30:55] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/IMG_2281.JPG
[21:31:31] <Connor> 4 x 8 sheet will cover that up and go about 6" up the window.
[21:31:38] <Connor> then new wall board goes on.
[21:31:52] <fluffybitchx> have you done a neutral test yet?
[21:32:02] <zeeshan|2> why do you wanna remove the trim
[21:32:04] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i did
[21:32:10] <zeeshan|2> the other day with stuff turned on
[21:32:14] <Connor> sheetrock goes behind the trim
[21:32:15] <zeeshan|2> there was 0 v between netural bus bar and ground
[21:32:23] <fluffybitchx> how much load did you put on it, and what did it read to ground?
[21:32:41] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: the same amount of load that caused it to blow up
[21:32:44] <zeeshan|2> 0
[21:32:55] <zeeshan|2> i dont think im gonna capture the neutral spike
[21:32:58] <zeeshan|2> without a scope
[21:33:28] <fluffybitchx> put large loads between l1 and neutral. space heaters, 500W halogen shoplights, etc.
[21:33:48] <Connor> I'm going to install wall boxes for the dishwasher and garbage disposal. Garbage disposal had one.. but.. it was on the inside of the cabinet..
[21:33:56] <Connor> dishwasher was wired direct.
[21:34:01] <zeeshan|2> i got 3 servo drives, 1 vfd, 3 power supplies
[21:34:04] <zeeshan|2> runing of l1 and n
[21:34:07] <zeeshan|2> thats a pretty big load?
[21:34:23] <fluffybitchx> no
[21:34:28] <zeeshan|2> Connor: trim is usually nailed in
[21:34:31] <zeeshan|2> i'd prolly remove the trim
[21:34:35] <zeeshan|2> it'll be easier to put the dry wall back on
[21:34:35] <fluffybitchx> in an idle condition, they pull very little.
[21:34:43] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: not trying to argue
[21:34:49] <zeeshan|2> but it blew up in the same state
[21:34:58] <roycroft> my garbage disposal has a receptacle inside the cabinet that's controlled by a switch above the cabinet
[21:34:59] <zeeshan|2> so i should be able to pick it up
[21:35:06] <roycroft> i think that's pretty common
[21:35:11] <roycroft> my dishwasher is also direct wired
[21:35:21] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: mine too
[21:35:24] <zeeshan|2> i found that a bit odd.
[21:35:29] <zeeshan|2> i thought it'd have a disconnet s/w
[21:35:39] <roycroft> the dishwasher?
[21:35:43] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:35:44] <roycroft> it does
[21:35:46] <zeeshan|2> its on a 115v 15a
[21:35:48] <roycroft> in the main panel :)
[21:35:52] <zeeshan|2> yea
[21:36:00] <zeeshan|2> but usually for a 240v circuit you need a disconnect right next to the machine
[21:36:04] <zeeshan|2> like look at your ac
[21:36:07] <roycroft> appliances are supposed to be on dedicated circuits
[21:36:10] <zeeshan|2> or hot tub
[21:36:11] <roycroft> right
[21:36:22] <zeeshan|2> actually you got a point too
[21:36:24] <zeeshan|2> my dryer draws 40A
[21:36:31] <zeeshan|2> but its on a receptable
[21:36:35] <zeeshan|2> *receptacle
[21:36:41] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[21:36:43] <roycroft> mine is too
[21:36:51] <roycroft> but the main breaker box is directly above it
[21:36:58] <roycroft> so it does not have and should not need a separate disconnect
[21:37:08] <zeeshan|2> well i think its either you have a disconnect
[21:37:09] <zeeshan|2> or have a plug
[21:37:22] <zeeshan|2> i havent read that part of the code in a while :P
[21:37:38] <zeeshan|2> my cnc machine is directly wired from a 100A breaker with no disconnect
[21:37:40] <zeeshan|2> pretty sure thats illegal
[21:37:43] <roycroft> my brew system is on a breaker that's in another room
[21:37:45] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:37:55] -!- knas [knas!~karl@2601:a:44c0:3a00:ed52:575f:1191:99eb] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:38:03] <roycroft> that was some weird wiring
[21:38:14] <roycroft> the brew system receptacle is right near the main panel
[21:38:35] <fluffybitchx> one of my motors seems to have a slightly bent shaft. not going to be a problem, but I can definitely eyeball a tiny bit of runout.
[21:38:36] <roycroft> but 1. i did not want to tear up the walls, and 2. i did not have a space in the main panel for another circuit
[21:38:37] <zeeshan|2> voltage/amps of brew system?
[21:38:47] <roycroft> so i backhauled it to a subpanel in another room
[21:38:49] <roycroft> 250vac/50a
[21:39:05] <zeeshan|2> thats some serious draw
[21:39:06] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:39:06] -!- knas [knas!~karl@2601:a:44c0:3a00:ed52:575f:1191:99eb] has parted #linuxcnc
[21:39:13] <zeeshan|2> welder territory
[21:39:21] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: bend it back
[21:39:26] <roycroft> well i run a 6000w heating element and a 1400w heating element at the same time quite often
[21:39:31] <roycroft> plus control circuitry and pumps
[21:39:40] <roycroft> my kettle is gas fired
[21:39:41] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: the point of adding all the loads is to get a measurement that simulates what it might measure while powering up various devices, in a steady-state and easy to measure condition.
[21:39:51] <roycroft> it would need to be 75a if i had an electric kettle
[21:39:56] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: it hasn't blown up
[21:39:57] <zeeshan|2> be happy!
[21:40:01] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:40:03] <zeeshan|2> i jogged the axis too
[21:40:15] <roycroft> 6ga wire is pretty expensive
[21:40:22] <roycroft> it was an expensive backhaul, to be sure
[21:40:22] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: no way man
[21:40:24] <zeeshan|2> thatseverywhere
[21:40:29] <zeeshan|2> 3 gauge is expensive!
[21:40:49] <roycroft> when i got my gtaw welder i scored pretty well
[21:41:05] <roycroft> my welding shop has no power, so i needed a 100' 6ga extension cord to run the welder
[21:41:11] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:41:24] <zeeshan|2> that mus tbe a heavy cord
[21:41:25] <roycroft> i was getting prices of $500 and up everywhere for that much soow
[21:41:25] <Connor> I think I'm going to install a receptacle under the sink for both dishwasher and disposal.
[21:41:30] <Connor> in the wall.
[21:41:38] <jdh> isnt that non code
[21:41:45] <roycroft> but i found a 100' coil on the home depot website for $300 with free shipping
[21:41:57] <zeeshan|2> thatd cost about 220
[21:41:58] <Connor> Why would it be none code ?
[21:42:00] <zeeshan|2> at graybar.ca
[21:42:06] -!- jerryitt has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[21:42:20] <roycroft> zeeshan|2: i have a hose reel on pneumatic wheels to store and cart the extension cord around
[21:42:22] <Connor> jdh: or you talking to zeeshan|2?
[21:42:27] <fluffybitchx> look for people scrapping mobile homes. they're often wired with 6/4 or 4/4 in flex conduit.
[21:42:31] <zeeshan|2> Connor: it'd be not to code if it wasn't gfci
[21:43:01] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[21:43:20] <zeeshan|2> i know csa says osmething like
[21:43:26] <zeeshan|2> within a 6 foot of a sink
[21:43:28] <zeeshan|2> needs to be gfci
[21:43:34] <Connor> Can you switch a GFI socket ?
[21:43:51] <zeeshan|2> http://www.zorocanada.com/i/G4560875/?gclid=COD5jtLq1cMCFQyCaQod5a0Axw
[21:44:02] <zeeshan|2> you can get one of those
[21:44:10] <zeeshan|2> 15a or whatever your wiring is for
[21:44:20] <fluffybitchx> I've found nusicance tripping of gfcis to be annoying enough to make me not want them.
[21:44:35] <zeeshan|2> yea but for a kitchen receptacle its not a big deal
[21:44:39] <zeeshan|2> its not like he's gonna be hooking vfds on there
[21:44:39] <Connor> I know what a gfci is..
[21:44:48] <zeeshan|2> connor i guess i didnt get your q then
[21:44:54] <zeeshan|2> 'switch a gfci'?
[21:45:13] <fluffybitchx> I tripped a gfci in my kitchen! I had to get a ground-prong-removal adapter to stop it...
[21:45:18] <Connor> Is it permissible to feed a GFCI with a switched circuit.
[21:45:33] <Deejay> gn8
[21:45:53] -!- Deejay has quit [Quit: bye]
[21:45:54] <zeeshan|2> youd need to see code for that :p
[21:46:00] <zeeshan|2> logically i dont see why you couldnt
[21:46:01] <fluffybitchx> of course, it's because I was powering a large switching supply in the kitchen...
[21:46:04] <zeeshan|2> as long as you're siwtching the hot.
[21:46:16] <zeeshan|2> you might cause the gfci to trip though
[21:46:47] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: mad scientist
[21:46:48] <fluffybitchx> I've had switched gfcis and never had one trip due to switching.
[21:47:13] <fluffybitchx> just like how when the power goes out, every gfci in the house doesn't trip. :)
[21:47:24] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[21:47:53] <zeeshan|2> i like to look @ code for this sort of stuff though
[21:47:57] <zeeshan|2> even though it makes logical sense
[21:48:10] <zeeshan|2> you never know there is one scenario where it horribly goes wrojng :P
[21:48:18] * zeeshan|2 stares at blown drives
[21:48:34] <zeeshan|2> this morning i actually woke up
[21:48:40] * fluffybitchx stares at zeeshan for refusing to do tests to help identify why they blew
[21:48:42] <zeeshan|2> dreaming i was an electron in a capacitor
[21:48:47] <zeeshan|2> and i b lew up
[21:48:50] <zeeshan|2> weird dream
[21:49:14] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i'll load a g-code
[21:49:25] <zeeshan|2> and measure the neutral bar to ground bar
[21:49:46] <zeeshan|2> ill turn on the hydraulic and coolant pumps too
[21:49:47] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor
[21:50:05] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna be shoving a space heater in there cause its not easy to wire
[21:50:11] <zeeshan|2> i kidna wish i put a receptacle inside the panel.
[21:50:40] <fluffybitchx> ugh, I snacked on too many of my lead-tainted gingersnaps, and now I don't feel well.
[21:51:53] <zeeshan|2> bbl need to work :{
[21:56:55] <fluffybitchx> and I need to head to storage to pick up more mill parts. bbl.
[21:59:16] -!- FinboySlick has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[22:00:01] <Connor> Hmm.. Garbage disposal on one circuit.. dishwasher on it's own.. I don't think anything in the kitchen has GFCI
[22:02:56] <skunksleep> fluffybitchx: archivist said to mentioned parallel vs series wiring takes different current in stepping motors
[22:06:04] -!- jduhls has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[22:06:33] <anarchos22> think an aquarium pump would put out enough air to run a fogless mister?
[22:06:38] <skunksleep> (You would have to do the research because I don't remember)
[22:08:12] <anarchos22> they're all measured in GPH, no type of PSI ratings at all
[22:08:40] <anarchos22> i'm sure it can do the volume of air (the mister has a 0.04 inch nozzle), just not sure about getting upto 15 psi
[22:10:07] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:11:47] <anarchos22> ooh, maybe one of those cheapo 12v tire inflator compressors would work
[22:13:01] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[22:15:54] -!- acdha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[22:18:47] <MacGalempsy> hello\
[22:19:31] <PetefromTn_> why do you want to use such a small compressor?
[22:19:35] -!- The_Ball has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:20:07] <anarchos22> according to my very rought calculations, 20PSI through a 0.04" nozzle would equate to 0.4 cfm, which is 11 L/min, roughly. This $11 tire inflator is rated to 35 L/min (from aliexpress, could just be a made up number)
[22:21:24] <anarchos22> PetefromTn_, I severely lack space. My shop is a walk in closet. Also, I'm poor, $11 vs the cost of a real compressor...
[22:21:50] <PetefromTn_> well this project with the vacuum hold down has shown me that prodigious flood coolant while great for surface finish and chip evacuation is less than ideal for the vacuum seals. A good mister design would go a long way to making this a more viable option for future projects.
[22:22:25] <renesis> petefromtn_: were the parts sliding?
[22:22:29] <PetefromTn_> no
[22:22:40] <renesis> it just sucked coolant up?
[22:22:54] <PetefromTn_> but the seals have a way of sucking thru the coolant which gets into the lines and without my new water trap would make it into the pump
[22:23:23] <renesis> heh, how fast is it filling the trap?
[22:23:26] <PetefromTn_> the vacuum force is impressive really
[22:23:33] <renesis> thats cool
[22:23:38] <PetefromTn_> oh it never came close to filling the trap
[22:23:46] <renesis> so whats the problem?!
[22:23:59] <PetefromTn_> but after a couple programs there would be like maybe three or four teaspoons in the trap
[22:24:33] <PetefromTn_> if the chips were evacuated by a mister it would not even be an issue whatsoever most likely.
[22:24:40] <renesis> its sucking it in just during cycling?
[22:24:45] <PetefromTn_> that and I think it would be cool to have BOTH
[22:24:47] <Rab> Does misting evacuate chips?
[22:25:00] -!- jvrousseau has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]
[22:25:40] <PetefromTn_> well I tried three different O-ring gasket types of materials and unfortunately the one that holds the parts from moving the best is somewhat porous
[22:25:43] <renesis> prob not from pockets?
[22:25:56] <Rab> I think you need some physical force or agitation. The improved lubrication would help the tool clear the chips, probably.
[22:26:00] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:26:01] <PetefromTn_> so while the cutting is happening it is continually sucking small amounts of coolant thru the gasket
[22:26:29] <Rab> PetefromTn_, been checking the oil in the pump for any more contamination?
[22:26:29] <PetefromTn_> actually yeah a good mister is MOSTLY compressed air so if setup properly it would evacuate chips.
[22:26:38] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:26:42] <Rab> PetefromTn_, ahh, I get it.
[22:26:43] <renesis> you used the foam santoprene?
[22:26:44] <PetefromTn_> there is none really
[22:26:51] <PetefromTn_> no
[22:27:00] <PetefromTn_> this was a neoprene type as I recall.
[22:27:23] <renesis> oh, similar, kinda spongy
[22:27:24] <PetefromTn_> if all you had to do was cutout and engrave or machine on the surface the vacuum hold down is great option
[22:27:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is kinda spongy
[22:27:53] <PetefromTn_> my wife watched me suck down two parts when the gaskets were completely dry
[22:28:13] <Rab> PetefromTn_, been viewing your project with interest. I would like to mill and engrave thin plate, and vacuum holding seems like a good solution.
[22:28:22] <PetefromTn_> and I put my fingers on the side of one of the parts and leaned against it with all my weight
[22:28:35] <PetefromTn_> and it would not move unless I gave it a jerking motion
[22:28:48] <PetefromTn_> it is indeed a good solution
[22:28:53] <renesis> rab: yeah seriously, im spending time thinking about how to move side clamps around to not crash engraving bits
[22:29:13] <PetefromTn_> do not expect to be hogging on it unless you have a LOT of surface arae...
[22:29:15] <PetefromTn_> area
[22:29:45] <PetefromTn_> these parts I am making have what I would call a medium amount of surface area but there are quite a few thru holes around the perimeter
[22:29:52] <renesis> an axis or my spindle would prob lock up first
[22:30:07] <PetefromTn_> the parts run is done now just need to deburr and finish the parts.
[22:31:06] <PetefromTn_> so I would say it was a success but I DID have to add some screws for the final operation as that was when the most coolant was getting sucked in... the rest of it, the engraving and the hole milling and rough partout was fine with pure vacuum...
[22:31:52] <PetefromTn_> if you machined it dry it would probably be perfectly fine but I seem to get a much better finish with the flood blowing stupid amounts of coolant onto the cutter.
[22:31:54] -!- norias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[22:33:25] <PetefromTn_> I actually used to make some automotive emblems that look like shields that were about 2.75" tall and had no holes in them. I am curious as to whether I could get away with engraving and parting them off from the stock as they have a bit less surface area to them.
[22:33:38] <PetefromTn_> basically it is ALL about surface area.
[22:33:54] <PetefromTn_> the more flat smooth surface you can suck down the stronger the bond to the vacuum of course.
[22:34:19] <Rab> PetefromTn_, did you try the vacuum venturi thing? Maybe you could hook up to the outlet and use it for pressure to your mister, get a twofer.
[22:34:25] <PetefromTn_> for instance if I were to make that edge lit LED sign again the vacuum hold down would be the first choice for sure..
[22:34:44] <PetefromTn_> no I chickened out and bought the electric one.
[22:35:55] <PetefromTn_> the pump is very quiet and works great so far despite my inital sucking up of coolant into it. I drained it out and replennished the oil with fresh oil immediately upon noticing the problem tho so it may have run a minute or two at most with coolant in amongst the oil.
[22:37:12] <renesis> rab: vacuum venturi works, used for a tweeter torture device, very loud
[22:37:52] <PetefromTn_> as money and time permits my goal is to create a vacuum hold down pallet type fixture to hold parts on the VMC using the setup I have here. That will take some large aluminum plate and careful machiniing and I cannot afford to buy the plate at this time.
[22:38:32] <PetefromTn_> right now the ultimate goal is to get the Standard Modern Lathe fully retrofit so I can use it in the shop.
[22:38:37] <Rab> renesis, is there an outlet you can feel air pressure from and maybe tie into? Or is it vented inside the device?
[22:38:57] <renesis> http://www.mcmaster.com/#vacuum-pumps/=vu81b6
[22:39:00] <renesis> open exhaust
[22:39:10] <Rab> PetefromTn_, did you buy the Harbor Fright 2.5cfm pump?
[22:39:25] <renesis> http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/13445k87p1-c01al.png?ver=10583807
[22:39:52] <PetefromTn_> yes
[22:40:09] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:40:13] -!- f1oat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
[22:40:18] <Rab> Nifty. I assume restriction from trying to capture the exhaust reduces effectiveness somewhat.
[22:40:30] <renesis> rab: so like, you get more air out than you put in if youre vacuumed space isnt sealed
[22:40:43] <renesis> im sure it would but its tweakable
[22:41:07] <renesis> i woudlnt get the fixed version to push a coolant mister
[22:41:21] <Rab> renesis, does compressed air consumption increase or decrease when the vacuum port is restricted?
[22:42:18] <renesis> shrug
[22:42:40] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[22:43:05] <renesis> we didnt use it continuously and it was so much more than what we needed
[22:43:25] <renesis> but the device in general doesnt seem very restrictive
[22:43:32] <Rab> I'm trying to figure out if you can make a situation where the mister scales back pressure if the vacuum holddown breaks, to minimize coolant ingestion. ^_^
[22:43:52] -!- adb has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:44:13] <PetefromTn_> if you have a venturi vacuum pump coolant getting into it is probably not an issue...
[22:44:54] <PetefromTn_> it might cause little variances in the suction but it would just expel the coolant whereas the electric pump can be damaged by the coolant
[22:45:38] <renesis> well, it would just recycle it
[22:46:20] <Rab> Sure. But that would minimize coolant consumption.
[22:46:22] <renesis> i think it would take a ton of coolant to mess up the vacuum
[22:47:46] <Rab> " You must be satisfied with a 28.0 inch vacuum, and have a high capacity air compressor = it uses a lot of air.." <-- review of the HF venturi thing
[22:48:09] <renesis> ton of air
[22:48:23] <renesis> its shorting your air hose to ground, so to speak
[22:49:17] <renesis> it didnt seem resitrctive at all, and my guess is once you open the vacuum gate enough to affect the air flow, your vacuum starts dropping off
[22:49:24] <fluffybitchx> I have a couple small venturi pumps... they use a decent amount of air. haven't used the larger HF one.
[22:50:26] <Rab> The inefficiency seems like a real drawback. Hitting your compressor hard compared to a piston-type vacuum pump.
[22:51:08] <fluffybitchx> yes. they definitely use a lot more air than they suck.
[22:51:16] <renesis> right, makes sense if you have a compressor running all day anyway
[22:51:46] <fluffybitchx> venturi pumps are, assuming you have an inline filter to keep large particles of crap out, extremely reliable and maintenance free, and don't mind liquid, which are definite plusses.
[22:52:37] <renesis> the adjustability was nice for my thing
[22:52:38] -!- amatecha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[22:53:13] <renesis> not sure how easy that is with a piston pump
[22:53:31] <fluffybitchx> a variable leak is always easy to build.
[22:53:42] <renesis> guess a bleed valve prob works
[22:53:46] <renesis> ya
[22:54:41] <renesis> and adjusting the venturi was kind of touchy, was like more, more, MORE, none
[22:54:52] -!- balestrino has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[22:55:31] <fluffybitchx> the little ones I have aren't adjustable, but they're really little... bricks about 2" by 1" by 1/2".
[22:56:19] <fluffybitchx> they use maybe 1cfm. I never measured the vacuum flow, but it wasn't bad, and could do a pretty good vacuum pressure.
[22:56:32] <renesis> yeah we got one like 6" long and maybe inch diameter
[22:56:48] <renesis> straight blew up the tweeters
[22:57:43] <Rab> I wonder what's inside the HF pump. Probably the same thing in a big plastic box.
[22:57:59] <renesis> http://www.mcmaster.com/#vacuum-pumps/=vu81ry
[22:58:17] <fluffybitchx> except probably of the lowest possible quality they could build and have it still stay in one piece long enough to get shipped to this country.
[22:58:21] <renesis> in the table i wonder if free air cfm is the vacuum input or the exhaust (vacuum + consumption)
[22:58:23] * fluffybitchx has been annoyed at chinese tools lately
[22:58:42] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:58:47] <fluffybitchx> free air cfm sounds like input to me...
[22:59:03] <renesis> from the compressor?
[22:59:10] <fluffybitchx> of vacuum
[22:59:18] <renesis> yeah i think so
[22:59:20] <fluffybitchx> free air cfm doesn't make much sense for a pressurized input
[22:59:47] <fluffybitchx> especially since it has an air consumption in cfm column.
[22:59:56] <renesis> right but it maybe means output to free air, so input plus vacuum
[23:00:55] <PetefromTn_> honestly I was somewhat impressed with the overall quality of the little vacuum pump
[23:01:01] <renesis> sucks more air than its using
[23:01:10] <PetefromTn_> and I have bought shitty tools from HF before
[23:01:15] <renesis> if its just the vacuum input
[23:01:26] <PetefromTn_> and been LESS than satisfied and returned them.
[23:01:37] <PetefromTn_> not saying it is the best thing ever whatsoever
[23:01:40] -!- toast-work has quit [Quit: Page closed]
[23:01:49] <PetefromTn_> but it is really pretty decent so far
[23:01:49] <renesis> vacuum pump is pretty simple
[23:01:55] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:02:02] <PetefromTn_> but so is a chorded drill
[23:02:11] <PetefromTn_> and they managed to screw that up for me LOL
[23:02:20] <fluffybitchx> are you using the air venturi vacuum pump or the electric vane vacuum pump?
[23:02:21] <renesis> thats considerably more complicated!
[23:02:31] <renesis> venturi pump is just some tubes and holes
[23:02:39] <PetefromTn_> ?
[23:03:00] <fluffybitchx> ... does your vacuum pump have a power cord or an air hose? :P
[23:03:01] <renesis> oh you mean the piston pump from HF?
[23:03:12] <PetefromTn_> oh you mean the electric pump is more complicated than the venturi well yeah of course it is.
[23:03:35] <renesis> oh, yeah piston pump from HF is rolling dice, def more complicated than a drill
[23:03:46] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were talking about the quality of the electric pump
[23:04:11] <renesis> yeah i would skeptical
[23:04:15] <PetefromTn_> but yeah that is what I bought the 2.5 electric model
[23:04:22] <renesis> but i got a compressor from them and it worked
[23:04:23] <PetefromTn_> and it is as I said pretty nice so far.
[23:04:27] <fluffybitchx> I have the name-brand one the HF one is a clone of...
[23:04:40] <renesis> turned to rust left on a socal balcony
[23:04:42] <renesis> but it worked
[23:04:52] -!- amiri has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[23:05:13] <fluffybitchx> ... if you think things rust in socal, try moving up here to coastalfarnorcal. :P
[23:05:14] <PetefromTn_> I actually have one of thier dual tank portable air compressors that I used for site work when I did custom cabinet installations.
[23:05:19] <PetefromTn_> had it for years
[23:05:20] <renesis> fluffybitchx: its prob QA rejects from the name brand's factory
[23:05:27] <renesis> thats what i think most of HF is
[23:05:29] <PetefromTn_> and it so far has never let me down.
[23:05:58] <PetefromTn_> I did buy their little air pressure regulator for it when I bought it. That was a piece of shit...
[23:05:59] <fluffybitchx> no, most of HF is clones. let's make copies of a successful product, but of inferior quality.
[23:06:18] -!- johtso has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[23:06:31] <renesis> some of the hand tools look exactly like the huskky/cobalt shit at home depot and lowes
[23:06:33] <PetefromTn_> it leaked from day one and the little adjusting knob broke off
[23:06:36] <fluffybitchx> I got a couple chinese air compressors a long time ago, they all still work too. the oiled ones work a lot longer than the oilless ones.
[23:06:38] <renesis> just a bit rougher, less shiny
[23:06:51] -!- calvinmetcalf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[23:07:01] <PetefromTn_> but the compressor and now this little vacuum pump seem to work very well and are quiet and smooth in operation.
[23:07:05] <fluffybitchx> that's because husky/cobalt/etc is also knockoff chinese junk. could well be the same as hf knockoff chinese junk...
[23:07:27] <renesis> well right, im saying HF is their leftovers
[23:07:38] <fluffybitchx> it's hard to get US-made tools these days... Craftsman is all chinese too now. (yes, including their wrenches and sockets)
[23:07:45] <renesis> who can afford american hand tools?
[23:07:47] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:07:52] -!- jduhls has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[23:07:54] <renesis> wiha screwdriver is like $30
[23:08:06] <fluffybitchx> unless you make enough money for the snapon truck to visit your shop, they're hard to get around here.
[23:08:19] <fluffybitchx> I usually buy used american.
[23:08:33] <fluffybitchx> my experience is a used american tool can be had for about the same as a new chinese tool, but will piss you off much less.
[23:09:40] <fluffybitchx> I'm pretty sure my $20 yard-sale 1930s craftsman drillpress will outlast a new drillpress from harbor freight. :)
[23:10:10] -!- icecube45 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:10:16] -!- MacGalempsy [MacGalempsy!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:10:58] -!- amatecha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:11:08] <fluffybitchx> complete with SKF bearings and a sticker proudly proclaiming them to be the most expensive bearings in the world.
[23:11:32] -!- koo5 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[23:11:33] <Rab> renesis, Wiha is german.
[23:11:53] <renesis> german != chinese
[23:12:04] <renesis> for the purpose of this discussion german is super american
[23:12:23] <Rab> Of course, a Klein screwdriver is $30 too.
[23:12:49] -!- MacGalempsy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[23:12:52] <PetefromTn_> I have several Klein screwdrivers. They are worth their price
[23:12:59] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@c211-30-128-202.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:13:05] <Rab> PetefromTn_, agreed.
[23:13:24] <LeelooMinai> Do they have internal motor to unscrew screws by itself? :)
[23:13:37] <fluffybitchx> I've tried finding US-made tools locally, and it's pretty hard. I was jabbering with the manager at one of the hardware stores, and he said he simply can't get most things US-made. he pointed to the lack of any US-made home-shop-sized table saws as something he'd tried hard to get...
[23:13:38] <Rab> I have a Milwaukee thing for that.
[23:14:05] <fluffybitchx> he was thinking he might try putting in a Proto shelf, something I encouraged.
[23:14:17] <renesis> machine supply places usually have american tools
[23:14:25] <renesis> usually even more than buying online =(
[23:14:31] <fluffybitchx> right, and you know how many machine supply places there are here?
[23:14:36] <fluffybitchx> hint: a very, very round number.
[23:14:44] -!- icecube45 [icecube45!~icecube45@unaffiliated/icecube45] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:15:19] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you around?
[23:15:37] <renesis> i dont think we have a grainger here
[23:15:40] <fluffybitchx> I tried finding a 1/8 endmill once, and called every place that sold tools, and every machine shop, and no one had one they'd sell nor knew where to get one locally. finally ordered online.
[23:15:43] <Rab> Grainger does carry Klein.
[23:15:44] <renesis> we have HF and an air gas
[23:16:24] <renesis> yeah nearest grainger is 100mi away
[23:16:53] <fluffybitchx> no idea where a grainger is nearest to here, since I've never seen one, ever.
[23:17:08] <renesis> maps says sac
[23:17:15] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:17:17] <Rab> Fastenal only seem to carry Gearwrench, which I doubt is made anywhere near USA.
[23:17:20] <renesis> oh wait, redding
[23:17:21] <fluffybitchx> if their store prices are anything like their online prices, I'd try to stay out of there. heh.
[23:17:27] <Rab> Although they sure do price it like that.
[23:17:31] <fluffybitchx> redding isn't too bad, about 3 hours...
[23:17:56] <tjb1> JT-Shop: maybe
[23:18:03] <renesis> need to go to redding to get my ears stabbed
[23:18:12] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@squal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:18:15] <fluffybitchx> ... that sounds unpleasant.
[23:18:24] <Rab> fluffybitchx, so you're not actually looking for a local place which sells US-made tools (at list price).
[23:18:27] <renesis> usually over before i know it started
[23:18:53] <tjb1> tried to go to radioshack to get capacitors...closed at 6
[23:18:57] <fluffybitchx> I'm looking for a place that sells good tools at reasonable prices. grainger isn't reasonable.
[23:19:06] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~ballen@220-244-24-74.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:19:08] <renesis> grainger is retail
[23:19:14] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: grizzly?
[23:19:19] <fluffybitchx> you sure there's one in redding? their online store locator doesn't show it.
[23:19:20] <renesis> cant wait tax
[23:19:24] <fluffybitchx> they say the nearest is sac.
[23:19:27] <renesis> sec
[23:19:27] <Rab> Hie thee to a flea market.
[23:19:39] <fluffybitchx> actually, the nearest is rhonert park.
[23:19:57] <renesis> Grainger 5080 Caterpillar Road Redding, CA 96003
[23:20:26] <tjb1> McMaster in california?
[23:20:35] <renesis> they have an LA warehouse
[23:20:50] <fluffybitchx> "Dec 7, 2011 - Grainger will close its Redding branch in three weeks, ending a nearly 30-year existence in the north state. The location on Caterpillar Road ..."
[23:21:02] <renesis> that sucks
[23:21:06] <renesis> so yeah, sac
[23:21:23] <tjb1> Does that mean they are going to have a RadioShack "sale"?
[23:21:25] <fluffybitchx> rhonert park is slightly closer than sac, but may well be smaller....
[23:21:35] <tjb1> Where they discount their already astronomical prices and they still are too expensive
[23:21:36] <renesis> fluffybitchx: so $100 in gas to pay more!
[23:21:42] -!- ariscop has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[23:21:58] <fluffybitchx> tjb1: since it's 2011, "had" is the right term.
[23:22:00] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Whats up boss?
[23:22:32] <JT-Shop> I think I have Marlin u/l to the ramps
[23:23:14] <fluffybitchx> around here, we have several dozen hydroponics stores, and not one real industrial supply store.
[23:23:17] <tjb1> its not going to do anything without thermistor input
[23:23:29] <JT-Shop> I plugged it in and could find it with the control software
[23:23:39] <renesis> well you have a lot more grows than shops
[23:23:42] <JT-Shop> is there a wiring diagram for the ramps?
[23:23:45] <tjb1> JT-Shop: windows?
[23:23:51] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:23:53] <fluffybitchx> every third house or so. lol
[23:23:59] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Well it should show up but it wont work without thermistors
[23:24:15] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Did you check in device manager?
[23:24:28] <fluffybitchx> the hydro shops make so much money that they bought all the advertising space on the local busses. even the windows. complete full-wrap-arounds with horrible stoner artwork.
[23:24:33] <JT-Shop> yea, it showed up in the device manager
[23:24:42] <tjb1> did you change com port?
[23:24:46] <tjb1> in the host that is
[23:24:55] -!- ariscop has quit [Client Quit]
[23:25:02] <JT-Shop> yea, I could connect to it on Com 7
[23:25:04] -!- norias [norias!~IceChat7@173-13-55-44-Pennsylvania.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:25:10] <_methods> http://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4
[23:25:16] <tjb1> oh im sorry
[23:25:21] <tjb1> you said you could find it
[23:25:25] <tjb1> I thought you said you couldnt
[23:25:25] <_methods> wiring diagram is at bottom of page i believe
[23:25:29] <JT-Shop> np
[23:26:15] <tjb1> JT-Shop: you can fake the thermistor input with a resistor
[23:26:19] <tjb1> unless you already have them
[23:26:30] <fluffybitchx> http://mattbearddesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Humboldt-Nutrients-Bus.jpg there. that's what our fucking busses look like. the hydro shops have more advertising money than anyone else in the county...
[23:26:38] <JT-Shop> oh, I should have said the taurion power
[23:26:59] <renesis> fluffybitchx: thats so cool!
[23:27:01] <JT-Shop> no, I don't have any... well I might have some
[23:27:04] <tjb1> JT-Shop: You can still follow Mega/Ramps
[23:27:25] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:27:27] <_methods> yeah the taurino power is just set up for 24v
[23:27:36] <_methods> pinout is same as mega
[23:27:56] <_methods> i just use a mega with the good caps
[23:28:01] <_methods> and 24v is fine
[23:28:13] <JT-Shop> T0 T1 and T2 is the thermister
[23:28:16] <tjb1> If anyone is interested in a smoothieboard, they are going around $100 for 4XC and $120 for 5XC right now on a group buy - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/deltabot/WNTOnAk4jZM%5B1-25-false%5D
[23:28:24] <JT-Shop> I have a 24v power supply
[23:28:48] <_methods> yeah 24v is the way to go
[23:28:58] <_methods> extruder and bed heat up way faster
[23:29:09] <_methods> 12v is for girlz
[23:29:10] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[23:29:16] -!- patricka_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:29:41] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:29:49] * fluffybitchx has absolutely no idea what a smoothieboard, 4xc, or 5xc is.
[23:29:53] <_methods> man i got a spacer cut out of some armor plate at work and now i have to machine it down lol
[23:29:54] <fluffybitchx> ...
[23:29:58] <fluffybitchx> that's rather sexist.
[23:30:00] <_methods> it's kickin the shit out of my x2
[23:30:12] <JT-Shop> so at the minimum I need a thermistor connected to T0?
[23:30:19] <_methods> or resistor
[23:30:59] <tjb1> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
[23:31:01] <_methods> what is it 10k resistor?
[23:31:11] <tjb1> 100k is the usual
[23:31:17] <tjb1> but default Marlin is for thermocouples I believe
[23:31:20] <fluffybitchx> http://mattbearddesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Humbold-Nutrients-Bus-Graphics.jpg both sides of our ugly busses
[23:31:42] <JT-Shop> I have a pile of resistors
[23:32:04] <_methods> i can never remember i always have to look it up
[23:32:05] <renesis> haha @ shrooms w/ underground view of mycellium and roots
[23:32:19] <_methods> but i have piles of thermistors now so i justhook one of those up
[23:32:32] <_methods> i don't have to hotwire anymore lol
[23:33:45] <_methods> i had to stop at .05" depth of cut i thought my poor x2 was gonna fall apart hahah
[23:33:56] <_methods> guess i'm going to have to lighten up
[23:34:11] <fluffybitchx> renesis: shrooms may well have played a role in the creation of the artwork
[23:34:24] <renesis> maybe
[23:35:43] <PetefromTn_> X2 FTW!! LOL
[23:36:36] -!- mttr [mttr!~mttr@0016019a1697.cpe.westmancom.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:36:47] <_methods> poor little x2
[23:36:52] <_methods> the gears sound so bad
[23:36:57] <renesis> guys has anyone used gcodetools for inkscape?
[23:37:01] <_methods> i need to do belt mod asap
[23:37:09] <PetefromTn_> the little chinese engine that could....not?
[23:37:18] <_methods> it's doing it actually
[23:37:22] <_methods> i'm kinda surprised
[23:37:37] <_methods> i just cut my engagement to about 35%
[23:37:44] <_methods> kept it at .05
[23:37:46] <PetefromTn_> is it CNC?
[23:37:53] <_methods> me-nc
[23:38:04] <PetefromTn_> yup it's C and DO..
[23:38:07] <_methods> yeah
[23:38:10] -!- ariscop has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:38:13] <_methods> workin on getting it done
[23:38:18] <_methods> that's why i'm cuttin this now
[23:38:32] <_methods> needed a spacer on my toolpost for lathe
[23:38:40] <_methods> so i can cut my ballscrews
[23:38:43] <PetefromTn_> cantcha do the parts at work in spare time?
[23:38:54] <_methods> sure but i'd rather do it here with a beer lol
[23:39:06] -!- anonimasu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[23:39:09] <_methods> and it forces me to do challenging things with crappy tools
[23:39:25] <PetefromTn_> better to get it done in ten minutes at work and get home with accurate part and relax drinking beer no?
[23:39:40] <_methods> hah that makes too much sense
[23:39:50] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry my bad ;)
[23:39:53] <_methods> hahah
[23:40:15] <_methods> i'm still trying to get used to this little lathe and the x2 to see what it's really incapable of lol
[23:40:19] -!- icecube45 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:40:20] -!- MacGalempsy_ [MacGalempsy_!~quassel@ip72-204-45-74.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:40:38] <_methods> honestly i'm pretty damn impressed with the x2
[23:40:48] <PetefromTn_> well at some point I guess it is better to have LITTLE machine tools than none at all..
[23:40:49] <_methods> i thought it was going to be WAY worse
[23:41:17] <PetefromTn_> right about now I am feeling like my lack of a lathe is akin to having no legs or something...
[23:41:25] <_methods> yeah no lathe is rough
[23:42:10] <PetefromTn_> I just keep trying to tell myself how wonderful it is going to be to have a nice CNC 14x40 lathe with 7.5HP and all the trimmings hehe
[23:42:11] -!- unfy [unfy!~Miranda@wsip-184-185-82-30.om.om.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:42:30] <_methods> definitely
[23:42:46] -!- icecube45 [icecube45!~icecube45@unaffiliated/icecube45] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:43:00] <_methods> i'm hopin i can use this x2 once it's cnc'd to prop me up on some jobs to pay for rent on a shop so i can get some real machines
[23:43:13] <_methods> i think i can get some little jobs from customers
[23:43:16] <PetefromTn_> no shit WOW
[23:43:21] <_methods> and stuff we turn away at work
[23:43:37] -!- MacGalempsy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[23:44:11] <PetefromTn_> believe it or not I had to turn away a job today hehe
[23:44:20] <_methods> hah congratulations
[23:44:24] <_methods> your first FU
[23:44:33] <PetefromTn_> it was just too much of a risk without enough pay I thought
[23:44:41] <_methods> most of it is lol
[23:44:43] -!- ariscop has quit [Client Quit]
[23:44:49] <PetefromTn_> but it was a one off kinda idea a guy had
[23:44:58] <PetefromTn_> and he had put a LOT of thought into it too.
[23:44:59] <Tom_itx> if it was easy i could do it
[23:45:02] <_methods> what can you swing on those grizzly lathes?
[23:45:08] <_methods> 7040?
[23:45:11] <_methods> is that the good one?
[23:45:14] <PetefromTn_> grizzly lathes?
[23:45:28] <_methods> i think the g7040
[23:45:34] <_methods> isn't that what everyone converts
[23:45:38] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[23:45:38] <_methods> i thought ssi had one
[23:45:47] <PetefromTn_> I had the 12x36
[23:45:53] <PetefromTn_> and it was pretty decent for its size
[23:46:02] <_methods> what kind of 12x36?
[23:46:03] <PetefromTn_> kinda wish I did not have to sell it to get this CNC lahte
[23:46:06] <PetefromTn_> asian
[23:46:07] <anarchos22> i want to get a 7x12 and CNC it
[23:46:12] <PetefromTn_> just like the grizzly
[23:46:22] <_methods> they will swing 7"?
[23:46:30] <PetefromTn_> no way LOL
[23:46:36] <PetefromTn_> unless it is paper mache
[23:46:36] <_methods> oh
[23:46:46] <_methods> i need one that can swing 6" uhmw work
[23:46:56] <PetefromTn_> it might do that I dunno
[23:47:05] <_methods> i'll have to look more
[23:47:21] <_methods> and then try and steal the work without getting fired lol
[23:47:41] <Tom_itx> that's a fine line to walk
[23:47:42] <_methods> i just need a few parts here and there heheh
[23:47:47] <_methods> yeah
[23:47:53] <_methods> probably a horrible idea
[23:47:53] <PetefromTn_> LOL sounds like me
[23:48:09] -!- norias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[23:48:22] <_methods> meh i have enough of my own dumb ideas to make
[23:48:31] <Tom_itx> or be up front about it and tell them if they don't want it you wouldn't mind doing it
[23:48:32] <_methods> i should just stick to that
[23:48:41] <_methods> yeah i probably will do that
[23:48:53] <_methods> better to be up front on that shit
[23:48:55] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have TONS of stupid ideas I can make but I have this funny need to make money..
[23:49:06] <Tom_itx> better to have a job and a lathe than just a lathe
[23:49:12] <_methods> ^^
[23:49:14] <_methods> i hear that
[23:49:29] -!- TTN [TTN!~TTN@unaffiliated/ttn] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:51:04] <fluffybitchx> grrrr. got my other identical motor and other identical driver set up. with the right current set resistor for 8.0A, so far it's randomly entered fault mode once.
[23:51:18] -!- ariscop has quit [Client Quit]
[23:51:25] -!- pandeiro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[23:51:40] <Tom_itx> power supply big enough?
[23:51:44] <fluffybitchx> the good is that, for the first time since starting this project, I have two motors turning at once.
[23:51:47] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: yes
[23:53:44] <fluffybitchx> last night, I found that with the right current set resistor, one of my motors and drives would enter fault mode at high speeds after a couple seconds, presumably due to it thinking the motor is shorted. with the current set turned down, it was happy. today I tried a different drive and different motor, and it seems to do the same thing.
[23:53:51] <fluffybitchx> methinks centent lies about their drives' capabilities...
[23:54:03] <fluffybitchx> they claim up to 10A, so they shouldn't be faulting at 8A.
[23:54:32] <Tom_itx> well they all want to claim the very highest numbers so you will buy their junk
[23:54:39] -!- tjb11 [tjb11!~tjb1@cpe-69-207-197-216.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:54:50] <fluffybitchx> they're $650 drvies, they shouldn't be entirely imaginary!
[23:55:07] -!- TTN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:55:10] <Tom_itx> even better for them
[23:55:43] <Tom_itx> but i agree they should do what they advertise
[23:55:44] -!- ariscop has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:55:47] <fluffybitchx> they're good down to 0.5mH, while my motors are 2.3mH. my guess is it can do high currents, or low-inductance motors, but not both at once, or something.
[23:56:07] <fluffybitchx> at first I was worried there was a bad motor or drive, but with two sets doing the same thing...
[23:57:44] -!- tjb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]