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[00:00:32] <zeeshan|2> so basically i have both 24v inputs and 5v inputs
[00:00:42] <PCW> hmm that wont actuate a 24V field input
[00:00:56] <PCW> what is that signal from?
[00:01:03] <zeeshan|2> fault signal from servo drives
[00:01:15] <zeeshan|2> to tell linuxcnc "fault @ servo drive"
[00:01:19] <zeeshan|2> before the f-error kicks in
[00:01:41] <zeeshan|2> if its not easy to do, ill just rely on ferror
[00:03:03] <andypugh> I am liking InventorHSM as a CAM system. Though at $10000 it ought to be good (I am playing with the 30 day trial)
[00:03:08] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jRnGlIXp0p78nr_78HcGdtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:03:09] <PCW> I would probably not common the grounds so you either need to connect it to a level translator to +24 ( an OPTO would be ideal )
[00:03:11] <PCW> or perhaps connect to a spare encoder input
[00:03:37] <zeeshan|2> okay f-error it is :)
[00:03:57] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: nice|!
[00:04:02] <PCW> A encoder input will work
[00:04:11] <zeeshan|2> PCW: they'll all be used :)
[00:04:13] <zeeshan|2> eventually
[00:04:17] <zeeshan|2> 5 axis and spindle
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[00:04:46] <andypugh> The feature to limit the 5-axis algorithms to 4-axis is missing, so I am doing 4 setups at 90 degrees
[00:05:41] <PCW> Thats nice though its seems like a lot of brass made into chips
[00:06:09] <andypugh> Yes, but I couldn’t find a flat slab for the job. I will keep the chips for casting.
[00:06:46] <PCW> Ahh good
[00:07:04] <andypugh> It’s going to be some of these:
http://www.geutskens.eu/neracar/images/PPL/8-Accessories/804-Headlamp%20Electric/23-805-Bracket,%20Off%20side-R-gec.jpg
[00:07:59] <andypugh> I want to get into casting, but I want this job done first, so despite the fact that it is an ideal opportunity, I an machining from solid.
[00:08:02] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: free versions has 4 axis?
[00:08:31] <andypugh> No, the free version (HSM Express) only has 2D and 2.5D.
[00:08:54] <zeeshan|2> okay you're running the real deal
[00:08:54] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:09:00] * zeeshan|2 got confused for a sec
[00:09:05] <andypugh> 3+2 is in the full version, and 5-axis in the Pro version.
[00:09:09] <PCW> Is this for your Neracar?
[00:09:12] <andypugh> Yes
[00:09:26] <zeeshan|2> whats the diameter of the brass for scale
[00:09:27] <PCW> broken?
[00:09:41] <micges> PCW: does 7i77 reports inputs 16-19 in mode 3?
[00:09:54] <PCW> Yes
[00:09:57] <andypugh> That’s 2” brass bar
[00:10:05] <zeeshan|2> rich guy
[00:10:05] <andypugh> I have been making headlights:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JqMiezKZO-Cwmt1JMMShgdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:10:09] <zeeshan|2> that isnt cheap!
[00:10:40] <zeeshan|2> 100 bux for 1 foot
[00:10:47] <micges> PCW: so maybe they can be used to use 5v inputs while 24v field ?
[00:11:40] <PCW> unfortunately not, the bit input use the field voltage set threshold
[00:12:09] <micges> ah ok
[00:12:11] <PCW> though thats something that probably could be fixed
[00:12:34] <andypugh> The guy on eBay seemed to get his price wrong :-) The picture says 150mm but the auction says 300mm and 300mm turned up:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301250810916
[00:12:43] <PCW> (also the ability to set EEPROM thresholds on some pins)
[00:12:59] <micges> yeah that would be neat
[00:13:50] <PCW> the analog data is there just needs some code munging
[00:14:11] <PCW> found a bug in mesaflash I think
[00:14:55] <micges> go on
[00:15:28] <PCW> I cant get the WPO option to work
[00:16:03] <PCW> (segv's with what I think is reasonable syntax)
[00:16:19] <micges> what board and command line?
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[00:17:29] <PCW> 7I76E
[00:17:31] <PCW> lets see
[00:17:32] <PCW> mesaflash --device 7i76e --addr 10.10.10.10 --wpo 0x3B00 0x00009000
[00:18:09] <micges> should work, let me test
[00:18:29] <furrywolf> that's the board you're sendine me? thanks! :P
[00:18:39] <furrywolf> sending
[00:19:08] <micges> PCW: mf from package or git?
[00:19:21] <PCW> git
[00:21:04] <micges> same here
[00:21:18] <PCW> seems like something else didn't work that I expected
[00:21:55] <PCW> furrywolf: I did look for the proto but no luck
[00:22:08] <PCW> not sure where it went
[00:22:27] <furrywolf> oh well. if I'm not broke after taxes and a trip to the dentist, I'll order one...
[00:23:58] * furrywolf spends most of the time broke
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[00:26:36] <furrywolf> current, immediate issue is what to do about the ants! they're early this year! usually they don't show up for a couple more months, but already there's a fucking million of them on the floor... since this morning. there were zero this morning. I hate ants.
[00:26:42] <micges> PCW: mesaflash --device 7i76e --addr 10.10.10.10 --wpo 0x3B00=0x00009000
[00:27:06] <micges> syntax like set ip
[00:27:28] <PCW> ahh
[00:27:35] <micges> I'll make both syntax possible
[00:28:33] <PCW> I dont think I could get the sserial stuff to list either (maybe its not in yet though)
[00:28:54] <micges> I used = becouse it's possible to have one argument for --option
[00:29:00] <micges> in library I used
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[00:29:39] <PCW> oh ok not a big deal cant remember if the --help text shows this
[00:29:57] <micges> yes it's there
[00:30:13] <PCW> well maybe I cant read :-)
[00:30:28] <micges> heh
[00:31:30] <micges> --sserial should show shortly what remotes it found
[00:31:54] <micges> all latest remote discovery code is there
[00:32:07] <micges> try git pull --rebase
[00:32:31] <PCW> I just downloaded the zip and compiled
[00:32:44] <Tom_itx> 7i90 pwmgen is loaded but when i try to setp i get a not found error
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[00:33:50] <micges> Tom_itx: add 'show all' before setp to see if there is a typo
[00:33:51] <Tom_itx> oh nice... i'll have to grab that
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[00:36:05] <Tom_itx> what does --rebase do?
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[00:38:23] <PCW> mesaflash --device 7i76e --addr 10.10.10.10 --sserial
[00:38:24] <PCW> just hangs
[00:38:55] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: will the card work for u?
[00:39:02] <XXCoder> 52 card
[00:39:28] <atom1> zeeshan|2, i'm not sure yet but probably
[00:39:44] <zeeshan|2> i hope it works!
[00:39:45] <atom1> i may not get reverse without some fussing with it
[00:39:54] <zeeshan|2> well its got 2 relays
[00:39:58] <zeeshan|2> thats all you should need for reverse
[00:40:00] <atom1> yeah
[00:40:10] <zeeshan|2> do you want the circuit diagram?
[00:40:16] <zeeshan|2> i think theres one on the website too
[00:40:19] <atom1> i'll figure out how they're configured once i get pwm going
[00:40:26] <atom1> i may have it already
[00:40:32] <atom1> i found the manual for the driver
[00:40:40] <atom1> it's on my website
[00:41:22] <atom1> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/
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[00:41:31] <atom1> i think mine's the KBIC
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[00:51:59] <furrywolf> meh. I'm too exhausted to do anything useful.
[00:52:10] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf:
[00:52:16] <zeeshan|2> what made you exhaustedf
[00:52:38] * XXCoder throws ball
[00:52:52] <XXCoder> lot work at work eh?
[00:54:02] <micges> Tom_itx: it makes clean git history in lcnc so I use it in my repos too
[00:54:47] <furrywolf> zeeshan: working too hard, with bad weather screwing up routes and making me have to do other people's work too.
[00:54:52] <micges> PCW: it works here, can you test 192.168.x.x address?
[00:54:59] <XXCoder> oh thats fun
[00:55:51] <Tom_itx> PCW you said i can set the frequency for each pwm instance right?
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[01:00:21] <micges> PCW: does it print anything before hang?
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[01:13:39] <PCW> no
[01:14:22] <micges> what remotes do you have on 7i76e?
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[01:16:06] <PCW> normal 7I76 IO but is it possible you have hardwired address in mesaflash (that is a hm2 address not from the IDROM)
[01:17:13] <PCW> it looks like it is stuck polling (Ethernet packet LEDs running at high speed when hung)
[01:18:52] <PCW> I ask about addresses because this has the encoder DPLL sampling option which required moving a large chunk of addresses around (so sserial is not in the same place it was before)
[01:19:04] <micges> ah yes
[01:19:12] <micges> you're right
[01:20:07] <PCW> this is also a bit of a pain for us as we have a bunch of test programs that use hardwired addresses (we should have known better...)
[01:20:59] <PCW> everything past the encoder base address has been moved
[01:22:38] <micges> it's big fix, I can't do it right now, I'm fighting with limited jerk, you can fix sserial addresses in hostmot2_def.h
[01:22:41] <atom1> how do i update the master source for it?
[01:23:05] <PCW> It good to fix this since I have about run out of static address space so new firmware will start having addresses allocated at compile time instead of from constants
[01:23:07] <atom1> git pull says up to date
[01:23:35] <PCW> just dont fetch new source from mesa for a while :-)
[01:24:09] <micges> atom1: so there was nothing new
[01:24:15] <atom1> ok
[01:24:26] <atom1> nothing to test?
[01:24:29] <PCW> or use the pre-encoder-dpll versions of hostmot2.vhd and IDROMConst.vhd
[01:25:14] <micges> PCW: ok I'll fix all supported modules addressing then
[01:25:46] <PCW> the new FPGA firmware works fine with linuxcnc since it only uses the IDROM addresses
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[01:26:32] <PCW> the regmap file _does say_ not to depend on the addresses
[01:27:22] <micges> so I can't read too :)
[01:27:30] <PCW> :-)
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[01:29:18] <PCW> mesaflash is probably waiting for the sserial command register to clear (which will never happen since the address is wrong)
[01:30:12] <PCW> ok mystery solved and its....
[01:30:13] <micges> did you fix 6 defines in hostmot2_def.h ?
[01:30:14] <PCW> Dinner time!
[01:30:33] <micges> see ya
[01:30:42] <PCW> I didnt try
[01:30:52] <PCW> bbl
[01:34:58] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF0pMILT7_Y
[01:35:01] <XXCoder> pretty cool
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[01:43:22] <new2cnc> sorry to interrupt. I am having trouble in running my linuxcnc. I tried open on my desktop and when I try to run in terminal it says linuxcnc: command not found. I have been stuck with this for 2 days now, anyone keen on giving me some adivce please
[01:44:19] <micges> new2cnc: do you have linuxcnc package installed?
[01:46:17] <new2cnc> yes
[01:48:57] <new2cnc> yes but it wasn't install by me. is there a way to check?
[01:49:03] <micges> what 'dpkg -s linuxcnc' says?
[01:50:08] <micges> check first two lines of output
[01:50:21] <new2cnc> >< not installed
[01:51:31] <LeelooMinai> new2cnc: Check also if you have linux installed:)
[01:52:17] <new2cnc> yes on that one. the system is running on a ubuntu 14.04
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[02:03:28] <new2cnc> wait I just realise the linuxcnc that I have in my system run through a script.
[02:06:28] <skunkworks> how did you install linuxcnc?
[02:11:34] <new2cnc> I have no idea. one of my mate installed it and he gave up on getting it work. So out of interest I took it up
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[02:14:44] <new2cnc> now I can run linuxcnc but right after I select a configuration. it give an error.
[02:14:45] <new2cnc> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4gTSkZ4hgzzNHMycmVCNGR1ems/view?usp=sharing
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[02:18:45] <flyback> seriously
[02:18:51] <flyback> you people need to get lathe more often
[02:19:05] * flyback ducks
[02:20:02] <Tom_itx> jason?
[02:20:45] <flyback> hey
[02:20:50] <flyback> how you been?
[02:21:03] <Tom_itx> working on my mill a bit
[02:21:07] <flyback> cool
[02:21:10] <malcom2073_> flyback: Are you also "beanbag"?
[02:21:15] <flyback> yep
[02:21:25] <malcom2073_> Ok, figured
[02:21:46] <flyback> I thought I would share the joke I made this morning heh
[02:22:25] <malcom2073_> I'd never heard it, but I don't hang out around machinests much :)
[02:23:18] <flyback> about to order a hakko fx-888
[02:23:38] <flyback> between xmas money and $200 bonus I got from boss for pulling a all nighter to save a raid and 3 frozen vm's
[02:24:19] <flyback> I love my aoyue 968 classic 35w and sparkfun/attent 937b 50w irons but they fail on rohs ground planes
[02:24:29] <flyback> like camp on a joint for 45 mins no melt, fail
[02:25:12] <mozmck> is there a sample config for a 7i80/7i92 around? or should I just modify a different one?
[02:25:15] <flyback> plus my vision has deteriated since I turned 40 and I got gout in some joints so I need a no shit iron
[02:26:01] <flyback> heh Tom_itx I still have 1-2 mediatek flash programmers
[02:26:06] <flyback> using flashrom-mediatek
[02:26:22] <flyback> but now someone ported serprog to stm32 so I will eventually use that
[02:28:24] <flyback> glad to see you still around
[02:28:24] <flyback> heh
[02:28:59] <Tom_itx> mine's in a box somewhere
[02:30:03] <Tom_itx> how can i temporarily disable my home switches?
[02:30:09] <Tom_itx> <- forgot
[02:33:43] <Tom_itx> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1
[02:35:28] <Tom_itx> mmm that didn't seem to work
[02:37:21] <micges> mozmck: besides loadrt line there is nothing special about those configs
[02:37:38] <micges> mozmck: loadrt hm2_eth board_ip="192.168.1.121" debug=0 config=""
[02:48:14] <skunksleep> I thought I had a 7i90 config handy but I don't.
[02:49:02] <skunksleep> Tom_itx: some of the homing velocities need to be 0
[02:49:43] <Tom_itx> i managed to get past that
[02:50:15] <Tom_itx> i'm trying to bench test the control
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[02:52:55] <mozmck> micges: thanks
[02:52:56] <atom1> odd, if i setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.pwmgen.pwm_frequency 25000 i get 4.16450khz output
[02:53:06] <atom1> but if i setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.pwmgen.pwm_frequency 250000 i get 250Khz
[02:53:26] <atom1> and i need 25khz
[02:54:08] <Tom_itx> i suppose i could try stepgen instead of pwmgen
[02:54:13] <micges> iirc you can't get more than 192kHz
[02:54:21] <Tom_itx> i want less
[02:54:28] <Tom_itx> i want 25khz
[02:54:48] <micges> how did you check output frequency?
[02:54:50] <Tom_itx> the LA says i get 250Khz with the 2nd line ^^
[02:55:02] <Tom_itx> logic analizer
[02:55:30] <Tom_itx> it's not a steady pulse though, it's bursts
[02:55:45] <micges> pastebin output from 'show all hm2' command
[02:57:31] <atom1> how do you copy that from hal configuration?
[02:59:10] <micges> open terminal, goto source/bin and run 'halcmd show all hm2'
[02:59:11] <atom1> one sec
[02:59:18] <atom1> yeah i figured that out
[03:01:11] <atom1> http://paste.debian.net/143862/
[03:02:19] <atom1> pwm stuff is around 624
[03:05:23] <atom1> and 336
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[03:07:50] <Tom_itx> i don't have the scale etc set yet
[03:09:22] <micges> I don't see anything wrong
[03:09:35] <micges> set scale to 1.0 and value to 0.5 and check again
[03:11:04] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks
[03:11:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic.jpg
[03:11:24] <Tom_itx> that's what it looks like
[03:12:34] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic1.jpg
[03:13:30] <micges> it's with scale 1 and value 0.5?
[03:13:56] <atom1> no
[03:13:59] <atom1> i'm working on that
[03:14:02] <micges> ok
[03:14:08] <atom1> that's with the pastebin settings
[03:15:55] <micges> you have enable=0 and value = 0 there
[03:16:18] <atom1> i may have done that after i stopped the spindle
[03:17:03] <atom1> aarg, it won't let me change value... it's connected to a signal
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[03:19:06] <Tom_itx> that gives me 25khz
[03:20:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic2.jpg
[03:22:27] <Tom_itx> so how do i go about setting the scale for the spindle?
[03:22:37] <Tom_itx> max 5k rpm
[03:22:52] <Tom_itx> encoder is 500 quad cpr with index
[03:23:20] <Tom_itx> pwm -> 0-10v
[03:24:21] <micges> you want to command pwm in rpm?
[03:24:46] <atom1> i think so
[03:25:17] <micges> set scale to 5000
[03:25:40] <micges> hold on
[03:26:13] <micges> yeah scale=5000 should work
[03:26:23] <atom1> i don't have the encoder feedback hooked up just yet
[03:26:24] <micges> duty cycle = value / scale
[03:26:50] <micges> you can see on vfd for now
[03:26:52] <atom1> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.pwmgen.00.scale 5000
[03:27:20] <micges> or simple multimeter
[03:27:34] <atom1> meter will have to do... it's a sherline control with a pot
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[03:27:52] <atom1> and i don't have the dac hooked up just yet, i was testing the pwm first
[03:27:59] <micges> ah ok
[03:28:09] <furrywolf> meh. now, instead of being broke, I'm going to be even broker. I need more/new work.
[03:29:00] <XXCoder> fun.
[03:29:55] <furrywolf> got a notice today that one of my customers lost a contract with one of their customers.... and that I'm losing $2500 a year in work.
[03:29:58] <atom1> once i get pwm going, i need a pulse signal every time the spindle switches direction. i was planning to use a oneshot hooked to motion.spindle.on
[03:30:12] <XXCoder> ouch
[03:30:18] <furrywolf> I don't have a spare $2500 a year. I don't have a spare $250 a year!
[03:31:27] <atom1> the pulse resets the drive so it goes into a ramp mode to prevent overloads
[03:32:06] <atom1> then i can hopefully use the relays to reverse direction
[03:32:53] <micges> motion.spindle-forward and motion.spindle-reverse should be handy
[03:33:06] <atom1> yeah but it needs to sense both
[03:33:15] <atom1> and 'on' will trigger on either case
[03:33:50] <atom1> and if it gets a false 'on' it won't matter because it was starting up anyway
[03:34:06] <atom1> even if it doesn't change direction
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[03:34:12] <atom1> this is to protect the drive
[03:34:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/KBIC_Data_Sheet.pdf
[03:36:46] * furrywolf curls up and sighs
[03:37:02] <XXCoder> furrywolf: good luck though
[03:37:11] <XXCoder> hope theres new jobs or something
[03:38:39] <flyback> heh furrywolf ltns
[03:38:43] <flyback> did you ever get this nife working
[03:39:39] <furrywolf> no
[03:39:41] <furrywolf> too much $$$.
[03:39:47] <flyback> :(
[03:40:13] <flyback> well hopefull you find a cheap cache of used lead acids eventually then
[03:40:24] <XXCoder> mining light thing?
[03:40:47] <furrywolf> xxcoder: I have 40 300Ah nife cells
[03:40:48] <flyback> I mean like retired forklift batteries that couldn't live a fridge anymore but can still run lights for 2 4 hrs etc
[03:40:56] <flyback> not cheap used lead acid disposable shit
[03:41:17] <XXCoder> 400 Ah? dang
[03:41:20] <XXCoder> er 300
[03:41:23] <XXCoder> * 40 even
[03:41:32] <flyback> XXCoder, nife charge retension is horse shit
[03:41:37] <flyback> but almost unlimited cycles
[03:41:41] <XXCoder> you can easily have off grid power and live on it
[03:41:44] <flyback> which is fine for wind, solar etc
[03:41:56] <flyback> yeah but she can't afford the chemicals to rebuild the cells
[03:41:58] <flyback> :(
[03:42:00] <flyback> wish I could help
[03:42:22] <XXCoder> if I had money I'd send furry job to build my cnc router
[03:42:26] <XXCoder> small one
[03:42:41] <furrywolf> no, nife has _excellent_ charge retention. what it sucks at is efficiency and water usage.
[03:42:53] <flyback> water is not an issue really :)
[03:43:19] <XXCoder> unless ya in calfornia fly. comlate change is relaly killing that state.
[03:43:23] <furrywolf> distilled water runs $1.50/gallon, the cells hold 60 gallons, and they need topping up constantly.
[03:43:29] <flyback> na rain water capture or something
[03:43:37] <flyback> actually furrywolf just make a distiller
[03:43:43] <furrywolf> I got a used RO+DI system to produce the water.
[03:43:45] <XXCoder> hmm conve er yeah like fly says
[03:43:50] <flyback> aren't you in a hot area all the time
[03:43:56] <furrywolf> no
[03:44:02] <flyback> oh I thought it was a sun bake
[03:44:10] <furrywolf> an abnormally hot summer day here is 70-75F.
[03:45:25] <flyback> mabye it's worth trying one of those lead rejuivation chemicals even if they shame off some capacity but work again, I dunno anymore
[03:45:29] <flyback> I wish I could help more
[03:45:35] <flyback> shame/shave
[03:46:22] <XXCoder> http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/tech/innovation/machine-makes-drinking-water-from-air/
[03:46:34] <flyback> yeah that's easy sorta nature does it
[03:46:41] <flyback> did you see the guy 3d printing ceramic
[03:46:45] <Tom_itx> pretty sure i need to invert the signal too
[03:46:47] <flyback> for evaporative cooling
[03:46:54] <flyback> that's been used for centuries
[03:46:59] <XXCoder> flyback: yeah theres another that uses no power and stuff
[03:47:05] <XXCoder> looks like mesh
[03:47:05] <flyback> clay pots allowed to evaporate water
[03:47:09] <XXCoder> cant find it though
[03:47:23] <flyback> I noticed this when I was cleaning a terra cotter clay dish I use as a fire shield for heaters, etc
[03:47:25] <furrywolf> I have no shortage of water. I was simply listing the main drawbacks of nife batteries.
[03:47:31] <flyback> I had just washed it off in hot water
[03:47:38] <flyback> and a few mins later it was cold
[03:47:40] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah but then free distilled water
[03:47:57] <flyback> yeah I could live with the water thing
[03:48:29] <furrywolf> I already built a RO+DI system to produce water.
[03:48:32] <XXCoder> bicycle and drink after heh
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2839124/The-bottle-makes-water-appear-AIR-Gadget-uses-solar-energy-collect-moisture-flask-ride-bike.html
[03:48:33] <flyback> cool
[03:48:36] <XXCoder> oh missed that
[03:48:44] <XXCoder> whats full name?
[03:48:47] <flyback> those sewage water purifiers look good too
[03:48:57] <flyback> for cities
[03:49:14] <XXCoder> wow new to me... make power AND water
http://www.treehugger.com/wind-technology/wind-turbine-makes-clean-water-desert.html
[03:49:19] <flyback> and you can have a few hundred feet of pipe of uv leds or gamma emitters
[03:49:25] <flyback> as a final sterializers
[03:49:30] <atom1> micges, yeah the signal needs inverted... the higher the rpm, the lower the high time on each pulse
[03:49:32] <flyback> if people get worried about a breech
[03:50:08] <flyback> or just chlorine
[03:50:21] <XXCoder> good one
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/08/16/peru-university-invents-billboard-that-makes-100-litres-of-drinking-water-per-day-out-of-thin-air/
[03:50:28] <XXCoder> sorry on so many links lol
[03:50:34] <flyback> yeah probably works like plants
[03:50:40] <flyback> that condense water
[03:50:55] <micges> atom1: try scale = -5000
[03:51:07] <flyback> OH CHRIST
[03:51:15] <flyback> I'M not reading that url anymore
[03:51:15] <atom1> heh forgot about that :)
[03:51:16] <flyback> Not only will it save lives, ground water and improve the quality of health for billions – it could stop wars and land grabs in places like the Middle East.
[03:51:16] <flyback> But there are those in places of money and power who will fight tooth and nail to make sure that this technology is never adopted on a wide scale, unless of course they own it and are charging for each “unit” of the water it produces.
[03:51:26] <flyback> conspiracy shitheads
[03:51:41] <XXCoder> flyback: nestile is one of most evil companies out there
[03:51:55] <XXCoder> not literally evil but yeah
[03:52:41] <furrywolf> all serious attempts at atmospheric water gathering have turned out to be not as useful as claimed.
[03:52:46] <XXCoder> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2630864/The-fence-make-water-air-Researchers-reveal-harvest-morning-fog-drinking-farming.html
[03:52:50] <atom1> micges, nope that didn't get it this time
[03:52:59] <furrywolf> the areas that could use it most are the same areas that tend to have dry air that's the most difficult to get water out of.
[03:52:59] <XXCoder> not the mesh variant I was talking about but interesting nevertheless
[03:53:18] <atom1> i can invert the io pin i think
[03:53:24] <micges> yes you can
[03:53:29] <furrywolf> active solutions produce much more water, but take power. passive solutions require fog and dew, precluding their use in dry areas.
[03:53:36] <flyback> hmm furrywolf I do like that company that came out with absorbtion chiller a/c units for hot countries and states
[03:53:45] <flyback> cause their highest power demands are when it's hottest out
[03:53:49] <flyback> so it works perfect
[03:53:55] <furrywolf> biological fouling and other maintenance is an issue with all systems
[03:54:06] <XXCoder> FINALLY!!
[03:54:08] <XXCoder> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/this-tower-pulls-drinking-water-out-of-thin-air-180950399/?no-ist
[03:54:14] <XXCoder> damn it was hard to find
[03:54:27] <flyback> I already knew what it was dude
[03:54:28] <XXCoder> 25 gallon a day
[03:54:33] <flyback> it's just condensing
[03:54:37] <XXCoder> I know
[03:55:03] <flyback> furrywolf, you could use solar boiling or a chorinte drip
[03:55:05] <atom1> i tried it with the pwmgen.00.invert_output but got an error
[03:55:07] <furrywolf> this has been around for hundreds of years. it's just a new shape. it didn't work before, either.
[03:55:11] <flyback> not the greatest tasting but works
[03:55:15] <atom1> i think i need to do it on the IO pin
[03:56:21] <flyback> "[In Ethiopia], public infrastructures do not exist and building [something like] a well is not easy," Vittori says of the country. "To find water, you need to drill in the ground very deep, often as much as 1,600 feet. So it's technically difficult and expensive. Moreover, pumps need electricity to run as well as access to spare parts in case the pump breaks down."
[03:56:26] <flyback> solar pump is easy and cheap
[03:56:38] <XXCoder> still 1,600 feet
[03:56:39] <flyback> and use a bldc or induction shaft type pump
[03:56:42] <flyback> not many parts
[03:57:20] <flyback> but you got islamic nutballs over in african states trashing all technology
[03:57:37] <XXCoder> yeah. this mesh is basically not tech
[03:57:39] <flyback> and warlords
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[03:58:09] <furrywolf_> stupid fucking internet connection.
[03:58:27] <XXCoder> more details
http://www.wired.com/2014/03/warka-water-africa/
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[03:58:56] <atom1> micges, i get errors trying to invert the pwmgen.00 or the GPIO.020 pin
[03:59:13] <atom1> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.020 is_output 1
[03:59:17] <atom1> tried that
[03:59:31] <atom1> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.020.is_output 1
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[03:59:33] <atom1> and that
[04:00:03] <flyback> furrywolf_, you need a ble link :P
[04:00:14] <XXCoder> ble?
[04:00:21] <flyback> bluetooth low energy
[04:00:25] <XXCoder> oh
[04:00:28] <flyback> low speed but very tough and low power
[04:00:48] <flyback> dialog semi has a arm cortex m0 core with ble 4.9MA in tx and rx
[04:00:49] <XXCoder> does it need some isp?
[04:01:03] <flyback> well yeah she would have to have someone with a link :P
[04:01:48] <furrywolf_> why would I use some weird slow low-power technology as opposed to, say, wifi?
[04:01:58] <norias> hmpf
[04:02:01] <flyback> nothing I kinda meant it in jest
[04:02:14] <flyback> it is really cool shit
[04:02:19] <flyback> I mean holy fuck
[04:02:21] <pcw_home> atom1: You will not be able to set a GPIO pin to output mode if its part of an enabled input only module
[04:02:23] <flyback> 4.9ma tx/rx
[04:02:38] <furrywolf_> range? six feet?
[04:02:45] <XXCoder> one mm?
[04:02:46] <flyback> no way more than that
[04:02:54] <furrywolf_> ten feet?
[04:03:02] <atom1> PCW, i just need to invert the pwm signal
[04:03:15] <flyback> > 330
[04:03:17] <XXCoder> plkenty of eink screens on alibaba
[04:03:29] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be adopted to linuxcnc for display lol
[04:03:29] <atom1> and it says i need to set to output before i can set invert_output
[04:03:30] <furrywolf_> can you just set the duty cycle to 1-duty cycle or something?
[04:03:31] <flyback> 0.27mbit
[04:03:33] <flyback> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
[04:04:10] <atom1> that should be an output signal...
[04:04:14] <flyback> I believe you can canuck with the duty cycle
[04:04:19] <flyback> like you can in zigbee
[04:04:31] <pcw_home> then you just invert the GPIO output pin
[04:04:42] <XXCoder> example
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EINK-6-2-inch-TFT-LCD-Screen-PW062XS3-LF/1874270472.html
[04:04:51] <XXCoder> oh nm
[04:05:10] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Whlesale-New-original-ED060SC4-Eink-LCD-for-Ebook-reader-large-sty-in-stock/578463573.html
[04:05:36] <atom1> ok well that worked! thanks
[04:05:49] <pcw_home> invert_output parameter
[04:05:51] <flyback> porbably the same one bgmicro sells for $1.99
[04:05:54] <furrywolf_> you can adapt anything to display anything. the question is how much work it takes. another question is why you want a slow, mono technology...
[04:05:55] <flyback> nightmare to drive
[04:06:01] <flyback> furrywolf_,
[04:06:06] <flyback> it retains when off
[04:06:11] <flyback> it's not just a grey lcd
[04:06:18] <furrywolf_> yes, I know what it is.
[04:06:23] <XXCoder> shes right it is slow
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[04:06:29] <XXCoder> not good for cnc actuallt
[04:06:39] <flyback> oh yeah you would be like ugh
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[04:06:47] <XXCoder> good for many uses but not cnc when it need to fresh at in least 30 fps for numvbers
[04:06:58] <XXCoder> damn
[04:07:03] <XXCoder> thanks for tip furry
[04:07:12] <pcw_home> 30 fps is useless for numbers
[04:07:20] <furrywolf_> and displaying info while off isn't very useful either, or at least I can't think of any application for that. heh.
[04:07:21] <XXCoder> pcw eink is even slower
[04:07:23] <flyback> http://www.bgmicro.com/
[04:07:38] <XXCoder> furry weather which update each say hour with 99% of it off
[04:07:45] <XXCoder> battery would last months
[04:07:53] <furrywolf_> yes, weather != cnc control.
[04:08:22] <flyback> XXCoder, RTL-SDR YOU can download weather satalite images
[04:08:22] <flyback> :P
[04:08:24] <XXCoder> didnt say it was same :)
[04:08:29] <flyback> as well as weather bands
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[04:08:53] <flyback> im buying a 2nd one and putting it on a old router with rtl_433 to read the new water and power meters
[04:08:54] <flyback> to log
[04:08:59] <furrywolf_> I can't think of a useful application for power-off display on a cnc machine. anything it could display would be either irrelevant or subject to change without it knowing.
[04:09:09] <flyback> those protocols are low cpu so a old router with usb works fine
[04:09:14] <XXCoder> yeah thats why I agreed with you
[04:09:23] <XXCoder> initally I thought it would be awesome but yeah
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[04:09:51] <XXCoder> thanks again for bgmicro though that sits nice
[04:10:20] <atom1> next to hook up the DAC and see if i get 10v
[04:10:33] <atom1> another day..
[04:10:48] <flyback> they used to have these nice industral cf 2gb
[04:10:50] <flyback> have smart
[04:10:54] <flyback> 40mb/sec
[04:10:58] <flyback> $5-$7
[04:11:08] <flyback> but now some asshole buys them all up and sells them for $25/each on ebay
[04:11:18] <XXCoder> aw
[04:13:08] <XXCoder> lol bg has traffic lights group
[04:13:19] <XXCoder> no item though
[04:13:33] <flyback> really? must have finally sold out
[04:13:34] <XXCoder> I has walk/stop sign, but no idea how to wire it up so it works
[04:13:56] <furrywolf_> it has, what, four wires? it can't be hard. :P
[04:13:58] <flyback> XXCoder,
http://www.bgmicro.com/leds.aspx
[04:14:09] <XXCoder> furrywolf_: for enginner it isnt
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[04:14:15] <XXCoder> and it has 3
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[04:14:20] <zeeshan-mill> hey guys
[04:14:25] <zeeshan-mill> i keep getting this error
[04:14:27] <zeeshan-mill> havent changed anything.
[04:14:29] <XXCoder> my guess is its for high low and enable
[04:14:49] <atom1> does the spindle index pulse need to be reset each time it's triggered?
[04:15:03] <furrywolf_> high low enable? it has brains? I was figuring it had two lights.
[04:15:34] <micges> atom1: yes
[04:15:54] <furrywolf_> speaking of spindle index, do I need an actual index sensor, or can I screw with timing (like a skipped slot) and have it sense that with the quadrature sensor?
[04:15:54] <XXCoder> it would display time left with STOP
[04:15:57] <zeeshan-mill> how do you copy and paste
[04:16:01] <zeeshan-mill> from linuxcnc errors?
[04:16:04] <XXCoder> it would count down then just STOP
[04:16:21] <zeeshan-mill> im getting an "insmod error inserting /usr/realtime ....
[04:16:27] <norias> so... linuxcnc doesn't ship with a gui text editor?
[04:16:28] <zeeshan-mill> hm2_pci.ko
[04:16:33] <furrywolf_> oh... in that case, it probably receives instructions from the main controller. I doubt it has the timer internally.
[04:16:40] <XXCoder> so basically it needs power source and a way to know when to display WALK then time
[04:16:42] <XXCoder> it does
[04:16:50] <XXCoder> it has how long settings and circuit board
[04:17:01] <XXCoder> tiny switches
[04:17:12] <furrywolf_> that's... odd. it must have been designed as a retrofit to an old system.
[04:17:21] <furrywolf_> so it probably emulates two lights.
[04:17:22] <XXCoder> probably uis
[04:17:35] <furrywolf_> so one of them is common, one makes it say stop, one makes it say walk. :P
[04:18:08] <XXCoder> thats why my guess is it just gets pulse then process till end result of stop
[04:18:11] <furrywolf_> it probably completely emulates an old unit with two incandescent lamps.
[04:18:22] <XXCoder> unfortunately I cant figure more than that
[04:18:25] <furrywolf_> probably expects a constant signal, not a pulse.
[04:18:51] <furrywolf_> old units had two lights. if it's designed to replace them, that'll be its inputs.
[04:19:09] <XXCoder> found it in closet
[04:19:10] <atom1> micges, that explains why i only saw one pulse on the LA then :D
[04:19:19] <furrywolf_> you connect one wire to neutral, then when one is hot it displays walk, the other hot displays stop, or such.
[04:19:23] <atom1> at least i know it's working
[04:19:27] <XXCoder> model jxm-300vie
[04:19:40] <XXCoder> im kind of wrong, 3 wires each side
[04:19:49] <furrywolf_> for spindle index, many things with indexes use a skipped slot or something for the index... can linuxcnc work with that without too much extra coding?
[04:19:51] <XXCoder> one side has switches to set time
[04:21:47] <furrywolf_> it runs off 110AC...
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[04:22:59] <furrywolf_> http://www.trastarusa.com/ email them and ask for wiring info?
[04:23:10] <XXCoder> thanks
[04:23:20] <pcw_home> furrywolf_ I dont think theres any such code for missing slot index
[04:23:21] <pcw_home> (might be possible for most of the ways linuxcnc uses index but not generally reliable especially with reversals)
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[04:23:42] <flyback> http://www.bgmicro.com/mini-pump-air-gas.aspx
[04:24:18] <furrywolf_> I don't have software spindle control... just need to synchronize movement for single-point threading.
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[04:25:58] <pcw_home> thats normally done with an encoder with a index (if you have good speed control, index only will work)
[04:26:05] <Tom_itx> will i need to set up PID with the encoder to monitor the spindle speed?
[04:26:14] <pcw_home> No
[04:26:14] <furrywolf_> it almost sounds like the countdown and the hand/person are completely independent, so the symbol will be emulating two lamps (one common and two hots), while the countdown is probably power and trigger or such.
[04:26:28] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:26:46] <Tom_itx> i _will_ need to scale on the encoder since i swapped it out
[04:27:04] <furrywolf_> yes, I know it's normally done with an encoder with an index. I want to know if I can avoid a separate sensor for the encoder, because I'm lazy, space is tight, and it's more stuff to align. :)
[04:27:06] <XXCoder> I bought it for $10 like a billion years ago and wanna see it work lol
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[04:28:16] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: for tapping and threading, Z is electronically geared to the spindle so the spindle speed accuracy is not terribly important
[04:28:26] <Tom_itx> ok
[04:28:28] <zeeshan-mill> when i do : loadrt hostmot2
[04:28:28] <zeeshan-mill> loadrt hm2_pci
[04:28:34] <zeeshan-mill> it fails
[04:28:44] <zeeshan-mill> http://pastebin.com/h8CC9ccs
[04:28:46] <zeeshan-mill> dmesg
[04:28:57] <zeeshan-mill> all i did was run a 15 ft vga cable
[04:29:09] <furrywolf_> what color are the wires?
[04:29:33] <XXCoder> white, red, brown
[04:29:34] <pcw_home> probably need more of dmesg to makes sense
[04:29:41] <zeeshan-mill> thats all i see?
[04:29:55] <furrywolf_> connect white to neutral, and hot to red or brown, plug it into the wall, see what happens?
[04:30:13] <zeeshan-mill> btw
[04:30:15] <zeeshan-mill> i blew up another Z drive.
[04:30:18] <zeeshan-mill> exact same manner
[04:30:23] <zeeshan-mill> i dont know what the hell is going on what that shit
[04:30:25] <furrywolf_> so don't do that?
[04:30:26] <XXCoder> ehh would like to wait for them to contact me lol
[04:30:33] <zeeshan-mill> if i power cycle within 20 seconds
[04:30:34] <zeeshan-mill> it blows up?
[04:30:41] <norias> anyone in here do coding on linuxcnc?
[04:31:19] <zeeshan-mill> and mesa isnt working anymore :(\
[04:31:42] <furrywolf_> standard is, according to a random .gov spec document I found, red for the hand, brown for the person.
[04:32:21] <furrywolf_> brb
[04:32:35] <pcw_home> got to be more of dmesg
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[04:32:49] <zeeshan-mill> http://pastebin.com/3nxFxfMx
[04:32:51] <zeeshan-mill> full dmesg
[04:33:20] <pcw_home> cut off at the end
[04:33:25] <XXCoder> weird because both sets has it
[04:33:39] <XXCoder> one side is number display and other is both person/hand
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[04:34:56] <zeeshan-mill> pcw_home, that is the last line
[04:35:01] <zeeshan-mill> im doing dmesg >> output
[04:35:04] <zeeshan-mill> to grab the dmesg
[04:35:20] <Connor> Is it just the Z that's blowing ?
[04:35:20] <renesis> just dmesg and see if it matches
[04:35:24] <zeeshan-mill> connor yes
[04:35:26] <zeeshan-mill> second time.
[04:35:31] <zeeshan-mill> thats a seperate issue though
[04:35:36] <zeeshan-mill> i wanna know whats up with mesa
[04:35:54] <renesis> maybe its truncating the output for some random unknown wtf reason
[04:36:10] <zeeshan-mill> renesis, it mathes
[04:36:12] <Connor> Wonder why it's only blowing Z drivers..
[04:36:14] <zeeshan-mill> 81.951313
[04:36:21] <zeeshan-mill> is the last line
[04:36:22] <pcw_home> I would do
[04:36:23] <pcw_home> sudo dmesg -c
[04:36:25] <pcw_home> linuxcnc
[04:36:26] <pcw_home> dmesg >badfoofoo
[04:36:49] <renesis> because z driver is the diff one?
[04:37:07] <renesis> would be weirder if only one of the other drives blew
[04:37:31] <renesis> sounds like a half developed protection or power sequencing circuit
[04:37:57] <pcw_home> Z axis brushes need changing/commutator needs cleaning
[04:38:08] <zeeshan-mill> http://pastebin.com/jMKeK2SJ
[04:38:25] <Connor> Have you had the Z axis moving yet?
[04:38:28] <pcw_home> Z axix motor top larger for drive
[04:38:31] <renesis> pcw_home: im assuming unloaded?
[04:38:36] <zeeshan-mill> it blows up
[04:38:41] <zeeshan-mill> when the drive is in disabled state
[04:38:44] <zeeshan-mill> when i power cycle it
[04:38:46] <zeeshan-mill> not when i run it.
[04:39:04] <renesis> right so it doesnt sound like an output circuit issue, unless it is because of some power sequence issue
[04:39:22] <zeeshan-mill> x y z are on the same contactor
[04:39:24] <furrywolf_> found another page saying red is hand, brown is person, white is neutral.
[04:39:25] <pcw_home> thats still only bits of dmesg
[04:39:25] <zeeshan-mill> so they get turned on at the same time
[04:39:35] <zeeshan-mill> pcw_home, i swear thats what it is showing me
[04:39:36] <renesis> put an index mark on the spindle and see if it moved at all?
[04:40:07] <renesis> i doubt it, but if it does you have some clues
[04:40:25] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:40:29] <renesis> well, ext time you decide to blow one up
[04:40:37] <renesis> ^n
[04:40:40] <renesis> missed
[04:41:25] <zeeshan-mill> when i start the comp
[04:41:28] <zeeshan-mill> the 5i25 red light flashes
[04:41:31] <zeeshan-mill> like itn ormally does
[04:41:45] <renesis> zeeshan-mill: how are your partitions setup?
[04:42:11] <zeeshan-mill> when i do lspci -vvv
[04:42:14] <renesis> maybe you ran out of /var
[04:42:15] <zeeshan-mill> i dont see 5i25 there
[04:42:25] <zeeshan-mill> renesis, hm
[04:42:31] <zeeshan-mill> i dont knwo how to answer your q
[04:42:39] <renesis> then its prob not an issue
[04:42:49] <furrywolf_> xxcoder: try wiring it up and see what it does?
[04:43:07] <XXCoder> furry, if it is like that I guess sign detects change from stop to walk and starts timer
[04:43:13] <pcw_home> so maybe 5I25 damaged
[04:43:14] <pcw_home> try lspci | grep 2718
[04:43:26] <zeeshan-mill> no reply
[04:43:41] <XXCoder> yeah evenually will try, just need safe way to test
[04:43:46] <zeeshan-mill> that means 5i25 is not detected?
[04:43:51] <zeeshan-mill> let me try changing the ports.
[04:43:53] <zeeshan-mill> pci ports
[04:43:54] <furrywolf_> xxcoder: could easily be the two sets get connected together, and they just build the symbol+countdown module as two separate units in the same box.
[04:43:56] <renesis> modprobe all the things!
[04:44:03] <zeeshan-mill> brb
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[04:45:14] <furrywolf_> safe? a power cord with the end chopped off and a couple wire nuts.
[04:45:19] <furrywolf_> how much safer do you want?
[04:45:27] <XXCoder> I dont have wire nuts :)
[04:45:36] <renesis> crimped rings, screw terms
[04:45:52] <renesis> or AMP fast-on with the correct thickness
[04:46:01] <renesis> thickness != width
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[04:46:49] <furrywolf_> ... who doesn't own wire nuts?
[04:47:01] <renesis> theyre hackish
[04:47:18] <XXCoder> actually I do but it has screw down umm fork? dunno what its called
[04:47:19] <renesis> i use them for quick dirty shit
[04:47:26] <renesis> spade
[04:47:47] <XXCoder> okay. anyway gonna get a switch so I can switch walk/no walk
[04:47:47] <renesis> http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/196650/crimp-terminals/spade-terminals/1.html
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[04:48:23] <XXCoder> furry thanks a ton though
[04:48:29] <furrywolf_> switches require power wiring. for testing, wire nuts are excellent.
[04:48:44] <XXCoder> evenually make up something to control it lol
[04:48:52] <XXCoder> I dont want to strip off spades
[04:49:12] <zeeshan-mill> fixed it
[04:49:15] <furrywolf_> oh, it already has disconnects?
[04:49:17] <zeeshan-mill> it wasnt seated right i guess.
[04:49:20] <zeeshan-mill> now it works
[04:49:20] <XXCoder> built in
[04:49:34] <zeeshan-mill> that was weird :)
[04:49:37] <zeeshan-mill> scared me for a sec
[04:49:43] <furrywolf_> Units shall be supplied with three colored coded wires as defined below:
[04:49:44] <furrywolf_> Red (Connection to Pedestrian Hand Switch pack output), Brown (Connection to Pedestrian Man Switch
[04:49:44] <furrywolf_> pack output) & White (AC Neutral)
[04:49:47] <zeeshan-mill> so why would my Z drive be blowing
[04:49:50] <zeeshan-mill> this is the second one ive blown
[04:49:52] <furrywolf_> another one, NY DOT this time.
[04:49:53] <zeeshan-mill> i only have one more spare left
[04:50:04] <pcw_home> if you have an older MB that has had vacant PCI slots they are likely dirty
[04:50:06] <zeeshan-mill> ill tell you guys how i blow it up
[04:50:20] <XXCoder> funny, I always thought it was hot, netural and signal
[04:50:24] <zeeshan-mill> i disable the drive.
[04:50:30] <zeeshan-mill> i press e-stop which kills power
[04:50:41] <zeeshan-mill> after all the devices turn off (caps discharge)
[04:50:46] <zeeshan-mill> ~ 20s econds
[04:50:49] <furrywolf_> no, it's to emulate two incandescent lamps, like I said. :P
[04:50:51] <zeeshan-mill> i release the e-stop
[04:50:59] <zeeshan-mill> and instantly the z drive blows up
[04:51:02] <renesis> you could ring it out with a DMM
[04:51:11] <zeeshan-mill> and the z drive mains fuse blows up
[04:51:14] <Connor> When you kill the power, does that kill the logic PSU too?
[04:51:16] <zeeshan-mill> but not the internal fuse of the drive.
[04:51:22] <zeeshan-mill> connor no.
[04:51:25] <furrywolf_> don't have your e-stop kill power to the drives! if you insist on that, put a 1000uf cap on the drive power input terminals, or something. or have the e-stop kill the power before the filter caps.
[04:51:35] <renesis> from common to other wires you should get a fraction of the total resistance from hot to hot
[04:51:36] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf_, i contacted amc
[04:51:38] <XXCoder> furrywolf_: yeah.
[04:51:39] <zeeshan-mill> they said power cycling is fine.
[04:52:00] <zeeshan-mill> why isnt my X and Y drive blowing up?
[04:52:04] <zeeshan-mill> why only Z?
[04:52:04] <renesis> have you checked your power?
[04:52:09] <renesis> put a scope on that shit
[04:52:18] <pcw_home> Z is a much bigger motor
[04:52:18] <zeeshan-mill> its literally
[04:52:26] <zeeshan-mill> 15amp fuse -> motor
[04:52:29] <furrywolf_> do you have a lower voltage supply tapped off the main supply somehow?
[04:52:31] <renesis> obviously use correct probes or dropping resistors or just use a fuckin dmm
[04:52:38] <zeeshan-mill> pcw_home, but in disabled state will it still consume current?
[04:52:56] <zeeshan-mill> renesis, i dont wanna blow up another drive.
[04:52:58] <zeeshan-mill> thats my final drive
[04:53:01] <renesis> does it have a breaker, pcb fuse?
[04:53:04] <furrywolf_> xxcoder: the original units had two lamps, and no brains. so the new ones emulate that.
[04:53:08] <pcw_home> There should be no fuse connected to the motor
[04:53:17] <XXCoder> you did tell me that yes
[04:53:23] <zeeshan-mill> i dont have a fuse to the motor
[04:53:26] <zeeshan-mill> i have a fuse to the Z drive
[04:53:27] <renesis> pcw_home: i mean on the driver input
[04:53:37] <renesis> maybe inrush is fucking something
[04:53:40] <zeeshan-mill> it did the EXACT same thing
[04:53:44] <zeeshan-mill> literally blew up the exact same parts
[04:53:51] <zeeshan-mill> its a mirror copy almost lol
[04:53:58] <renesis> parts are blown?
[04:54:03] <renesis> pics
[04:54:04] <XXCoder> you sure it's not deju vu, zee? lol
[04:54:09] <zeeshan-mill> XXCoder, nahh lol
[04:54:10] <XXCoder> seriously it sucks
[04:54:34] <zeeshan-mill> it was working so good the last couple days
[04:54:38] <zeeshan-mill> and now ive blown 2 drives in a row
[04:54:49] <zeeshan-mill> in between the 2 blow ups
[04:54:52] <zeeshan-mill> i did move Z and it was working fine.
[04:54:56] <renesis> is your estop involved?
[04:54:59] <pcw_home> I would disconnect your Z motor and do a hipot test
[04:55:02] <zeeshan-mill> involved in what
[04:55:18] <renesis> i dont think he has a hipot tester?
[04:55:27] <furrywolf_> a simple ohms-to-ground reading is probably sufficient.
[04:55:37] <zeeshan-mill> ohms to ground from where to where
[04:55:48] <furrywolf_> again, do you have a lower voltage suply tapped off your main supply somehow?
[04:56:00] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf_, i dont get your Q
[04:56:02] <furrywolf_> on the motor. none of its leads should have conductivity to ground.
[04:56:04] <renesis> ohms reasing wont tell you when the enamel on the coils is breaking down
[04:56:05] <zeeshan-mill> i have a 24vdc supply
[04:56:07] <pcw_home> from either motor lead to graond
[04:56:13] <zeeshan-mill> and 5vdc suypply
[04:56:23] <zeeshan-mill> and furrywolf_ remember x and y drives are on the same circuit
[04:56:25] <zeeshan-mill> and they dont blow up
[04:56:35] <furrywolf_> like a multi-tap transformer with two outputs sharing a common ground, or something like that.
[04:56:37] <pcw_home> (when both motor leads are discconected from drive)
[04:56:41] <renesis> do you have relays on the output?
[04:56:49] <renesis> estop relays between the drive and motor?
[04:57:11] <Connor> He has a contactor between supply and drives
[04:57:16] <zeeshan-mill> l1 -> x , y -> contactor -> drive
[04:57:21] <renesis> i would debug the fuck out of your wiring before attaching another drive
[04:57:23] <zeeshan-mill> l2 -> z -> contactor -> drive
[04:57:54] <furrywolf_> are l1 and l2 fed from the same source?
[04:57:54] <Connor> that's interesting.. l2 is Z only ?
[04:57:55] <zeeshan-mill> l1 -> x,y, 24vdc psu, 5v psu, lubricator, lamp, fans, computer, one leg to spindle vfd
[04:58:26] <pcw_home> Since its only Z you are having an issue with, I would check that theres not a problem with the motor
[04:58:26] <zeeshan-mill> l2 -> z drive, hyd pump vfd, coolant pump vfd
[04:58:39] <zeeshan-mill> okay ill check motort
[04:58:46] <furrywolf_> are these ac lines, or outputs from something else?
[04:58:55] <zeeshan-mill> ac lines
[04:58:59] <furrywolf_> that is, l1 and l2 are 120vac?
[04:59:00] <renesis> yeah maybe one of your systems is dumping energy into the driver during an off state
[04:59:02] <zeeshan-mill> im gonna kill power to system before itest
[04:59:09] <zeeshan-mill> so measure motor coil resistance
[04:59:14] <zeeshan-mill> and then one leg of coil to ground
[04:59:16] <furrywolf_> so your drives run directly off mains voltage?
[04:59:23] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf_, yea
[04:59:29] <zeeshan-mill> they got internal supply to convert to dc
[04:59:40] <renesis> whats after the supply relay?
[04:59:48] <renesis> besides the z drive
[04:59:59] <furrywolf_> hrmm, I don't recall any AC-handling bits on that picture you pasted yesterday.
[05:00:00] <zeeshan-mill> what supply relay
[05:00:08] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf_, its another module
[05:00:10] <zeeshan-mill> on the opposite side
[05:00:11] <furrywolf_> renesis: <zeeshan-mill> l2 -> z drive, hyd pump vfd, coolant pump vfd
[05:00:13] <furrywolf_> ah
[05:00:16] <pcw_home> you disconnect both motor leads from the drive an then measure from one motor lead to groumd
[05:00:23] <renesis> the estop between the supply and drive
[05:00:33] <zeeshan-mill> brtb gona measure
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[05:00:48] <furrywolf_> ok, in that case, I take back what I said. your e-stop shouldn't be causing a problem. I thought you had a separate dc supply for the drives, and were interrupting it between the supply and drive.
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[05:00:51] <renesis> thats not very hipot pcw_home, heh
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[05:01:24] <pcw_home> Was this mill outside at all?
[05:01:41] <renesis> furrywolf_: if he has more than the z drive on the z drive side of the relay, then maybe something is dumping power into the z drive
[05:01:50] <renesis> pcw_home: for years =\
[05:02:00] <furrywolf_> renesis: he doesn't have a relay, he has a contactor, on the AC input.
[05:02:16] <furrywolf_> the drives have built-in ac power supplies.
[05:02:23] <renesis> contactor isnt a relay?
[05:02:42] <furrywolf_> no, as it opens two gaps, not one. :P
[05:03:03] <renesis> its dual pole?
[05:03:18] <renesis> DPST or DPDT relay
[05:03:23] <furrywolf_> the only thing I can think is a wiring fault allows it to see 240v during e-stop... but that'd be highly odd.
[05:03:54] <furrywolf_> and not likely if he's not opening the neutral too.
[05:04:01] <renesis> of course itd be odd but this is a work in progress
[05:04:28] <Connor> I would double check his L2 buss.
[05:04:30] <renesis> so is the DC supply input on the same net as the Z drive input?
[05:04:43] <Connor> I think DC supplies are on L1
[05:04:55] <furrywolf_> again, he doesn't have a separate dc supply. the drivers have their own built-in power supplies.
[05:04:56] <furrywolf_> other than small ones
[05:05:09] <renesis> theres other things in the system, de def has dc supplies
[05:05:09] <Connor> He has a Logic Supply.
[05:05:23] <renesis> 09:03:17 < zeeshan-mill> l2 -> z drive, hyd pump vfd, coolant pump vfd
[05:05:29] <renesis> what does that mean
[05:05:45] <furrywolf_> right, but those other supplies shouldn't be able to cause a catastrophic failure of another mains-powered device...
[05:05:59] <Connor> He has the Z Drive, Hydraulic and coolant pump on L2
[05:05:59] <furrywolf_> renesis: it means the l2 pin on his contactor is powering the three devices listed
[05:06:11] <renesis> unless theres something wonky with the protection, sequencing, or inrush circuits, and hes unlucky
[05:06:59] <furrywolf_> zeeshan: is there any other way for power to get into the driver? non-optoisolated control inputs? a feedback loop of some form running off an external power supply?
[05:07:01] <renesis> those circuits tend to be simpler discrete things that dont always act predictably
[05:07:22] <renesis> instead of cutting power, it may be browning out because of energy in the other systems
[05:07:32] <renesis> not that likely, but nothing is likely
[05:07:46] <renesis> if were only considering likely things, he doesnt have a problem and were done!
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[05:07:56] <R2E4> Hi all
[05:08:10] <renesis> hi
[05:08:24] <R2E4> Howz it going?
[05:08:30] <furrywolf_> if there's an external source of power into the driver, it could react unhappily to having it powered with the mains input off.
[05:08:31] <R2E4> You knoiw linuxcnc well?\
[05:08:43] <renesis> furrywolf_: yes
[05:08:54] <renesis> thats what ive been trying to say for the past 10 min or whatever
[05:09:09] <R2E4> I tried to get a p[ost to work with mastercam. it sent my machine into using machine coords.
[05:09:16] <renesis> because a circuit might depend on ramp down timing from 0V condition that isnt happening
[05:09:20] <R2E4> How do I get it back to using G54
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[05:10:04] <renesis> and i dont think this is as likely as an intermittent wiring issue
[05:10:09] <renesis> or intermittent short
[05:10:28] <renesis> i think most of zees bench testing was done with the cab in another orientation
[05:11:21] <renesis> also he mentioned the same stuff blew up, like parts lost their smoke
[05:11:33] <furrywolf_> yes
[05:11:37] <renesis> pics would help, possibly localize it to input or output
[05:11:53] <furrywolf_> the original pic he had, of the first driver, showed what looks like a 3-terminal regulator and a filter cap exploded.
[05:12:14] <renesis> they usually only explode when you reverse them
[05:12:27] <renesis> theyre well protected from pretty much everything else
[05:12:43] <renesis> unless theyre asshats and dont have a rev bias diode across the vreg
[05:12:47] <zeeshan|2> 590 mohm
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[05:12:54] <zeeshan|2> between coil and ground
[05:13:00] <renesis> in which case, abnormal timing of rail dropout could blow it up
[05:13:04] <furrywolf_> that's entirely acceptable.
[05:13:14] <furrywolf_> assuming you mean Mohm. :)
[05:13:15] <pcw_home> OK well that sounds OK
[05:13:31] <furrywolf_> they also explode if you severely overvolt them.
[05:13:36] <zeeshan|2> yes megaohm
[05:13:37] <renesis> you have something that measures 590meg?
[05:13:50] <zeeshan|2> thats qwhat the klein autoranging multimeter says
[05:13:50] <zeeshan|2> haha
[05:14:01] <renesis> how does it say it?
[05:14:01] <zeeshan|2> i take it as "very high"
[05:14:10] <zeeshan|2> er
[05:14:14] <zeeshan|2> i meant to say .590 mohm
[05:14:16] <zeeshan|2> Mohm
[05:14:17] <renesis> good because it wont be accurate considering the input impedance of the dmm
[05:14:19] <zeeshan|2> not 590 Mohm
[05:14:25] <renesis> oh
[05:14:30] <renesis> so 590k
[05:14:34] <zeeshan|2> yea
[05:14:36] <renesis> thats a real life value
[05:14:59] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: to answer your q
[05:15:02] <furrywolf_> > zeeshan: is there any other way for power to get into the driver? non-optoisolated control inputs? a feedback loop of some form running off an external power supply?
[05:15:08] <zeeshan|2> the only external power supply to the drive is the enable signal
[05:15:11] <zeeshan|2> from the 7i77
[05:15:12] <pcw_home> How clean is the commutator area?
[05:15:21] <zeeshan|2> it does not have a commutator
[05:15:24] <zeeshan|2> its a tachometer
[05:15:30] <zeeshan|2> unless theyre the same thing :P
[05:15:31] <pcw_home> the motor does
[05:15:40] <zeeshan|2> i havent taken it apart
[05:15:57] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse this had to happen to my Z axis
[05:16:00] <zeeshan|2> the one that is the pain in the ASS!!!
[05:16:01] <zeeshan|2> :)
[05:16:08] <pcw_home> might not be a bad idea to check that area
[05:16:14] <zeeshan|2> could it be something to do with the fact that i have my brake turned on always
[05:16:25] <zeeshan|2> and during start up the motor tries to move a little
[05:16:31] <zeeshan|2> but it cant
[05:16:37] <zeeshan|2> making it draw major current
[05:16:44] <furrywolf_> that shouldn't fry anything.
[05:16:54] <pcw_home> The drive should current limit if it needs to
[05:17:00] <renesis> is the drive current limited?
[05:17:00] <furrywolf_> any driver that melts on a non-moving axis has design issues.
[05:17:03] <renesis> neat
[05:17:30] <furrywolf_> any chance your brake power is somehow mis-wired and getting onto the motor circuits?
[05:17:43] <zeeshan|2> no
[05:17:55] <zeeshan|2> i tripled checked the brake
[05:18:05] <zeeshan|2> its the only one that spits out 176 ohms reading
[05:18:13] <zeeshan|2> wow
[05:18:16] <zeeshan|2> im a fucking idiot
[05:18:16] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[05:18:25] <zeeshan|2> WOW just wow, i just realized what idid when measuring
[05:18:32] <zeeshan|2> BAHAHHA im embarassed to admit it
[05:18:40] <zeeshan|2> i measured the CONNECTOR
[05:18:44] <renesis> circuits live?
[05:18:48] <zeeshan|2> not the frigging motor !
[05:18:55] <zeeshan|2> i disconnected the connector from the motor
[05:18:58] <zeeshan|2> and measured the connector
[05:18:59] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[05:19:08] <furrywolf_> so you made sure your drive wasn't shorted to ground, then? :P
[05:19:08] <zeeshan|2> so dumb.
[05:19:15] <zeeshan|2> im gonna remeasure the motor.
[05:19:35] <renesis> its worked fine before tho, right?
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[05:20:13] <renesis> if its a short its something intermittent, which is usually electromechanical, which might be the dirty motor electronics, or something thats shifted when the cabinet was reoriented
[05:20:55] <furrywolf_> the damage is pretty good, like high voltage where there shouldn't be any.
[05:21:05] <furrywolf_> any chance your motor power is shorting to the tach?
[05:21:11] <renesis> pics or it didnt happen
[05:21:21] <renesis> heh, that would be awesome
[05:22:41] <furrywolf_> one of the more-exploded tantalum caps I've seen.
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[05:23:31] <renesis> and those things can get pretty explody
[05:23:51] <furrywolf_> yes
[05:31:05] * furrywolf_ notes measurement is taking abnormally long, and wonders if investigation into abnormal measurements is underway
[05:32:13] <zeeshan|2> 8.8 Mohm reading now
[05:32:27] <zeeshan|2> its a pain in the ass to get to the motor
[05:32:49] <zeeshan|2> renesis: yes it worked fine before
[05:33:19] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16245459030/
[05:33:23] <zeeshan|2> pics are there ren
[05:33:30] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16406891086/in/photostream/
[05:35:26] <renesis> yeah man see that little maze of sot23, dpak, soic, and 0805? it looks a lot like analog power timing crap
[05:36:03] <furrywolf_> that second url redirects to flickr.com
[05:36:17] <zeeshan|2> god i hat eflickr
[05:36:17] <renesis> everything else on the board is IC-centric
[05:36:18] <zeeshan|2> and their stupid shit
[05:36:23] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16406891086/
[05:36:24] <zeeshan|2> second link
[05:36:32] <furrywolf_> I do too. so don't use it. :P
[05:36:45] <zeeshan|2> havent found a better site yet
[05:36:45] <zeeshan|2> :P
[05:37:07] <renesis> just use imgur its 2015
[05:37:18] <zeeshan|2> imgur has limit of 300 imgs
[05:37:34] <zeeshan|2> if there was a short in the motor windings
[05:37:39] <renesis> anyway, they dont want you to know what the circuit is
[05:37:41] <zeeshan|2> a temporary short like youre saying
[05:37:43] <renesis> all the chips are wiped
[05:38:01] <renesis> they swear theyre chinese or something
[05:38:25] <zeeshan|2> man my servo experience hasnt be too great at all
[05:38:28] <zeeshan|2> :(
[05:38:50] <renesis> step/dir/fuckit
[05:38:54] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:39:17] <renesis> have you spent more than a fully outfitted tormach on this thing yet?
[05:39:37] <zeeshan|2> no
[05:39:41] <zeeshan|2> about 3000 total
[05:39:44] <zeeshan|2> w/ the machine included
[05:40:05] <renesis> man fuck this fixed zoom wont load a real image bullshit
[05:40:09] <renesis> it wont let me zoom
[05:40:12] <furrywolf_> I guess it's like that auto-retracting table saw... works great, but e-stops are very expensive? :)
[05:40:37] <zeeshan|2> it only handled two power cycles
[05:40:41] <zeeshan|2> before the drive blew
[05:40:43] <renesis> thats not so bad, $3k
[05:40:53] <zeeshan|2> dude if i bought these drives new
[05:40:55] <zeeshan|2> i'd be crying
[05:40:57] <zeeshan|2> theyre like 700$
[05:41:08] <zeeshan|2> i lost 100
[05:41:08] <renesis> so it maybe didnt handle any properly and it just took two times to completely break it
[05:41:10] <zeeshan|2> on 2 drives
[05:41:12] <furrywolf_> only? my stepper drives are $700 new. lol
[05:41:29] <renesis> each or multichannel?
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[05:41:43] <furrywolf_> each
[05:42:05] <renesis> i hope not for your sherline
[05:42:30] <furrywolf_> zee: remove the drive, power up, and measure every wire to it. line voltage should be 120, all motor leads to each other or ground should be 0, tach should be 0 (measure to ground too), control lines should be 5v or whatever, etc.
[05:42:44] <furrywolf_> for my shoptask. centent cn0165s.
[05:42:51] <renesis> oh cool
[05:43:54] <zeeshan|2> you really want me to power this blown drive up?! :P
[05:44:07] <renesis> without the drive
[05:44:17] <furrywolf_> no, if you look at the first thing I said, "remove the drive". lol
[05:44:20] <zeeshan|2> ah you scared me for a sec :)
[05:44:21] <pcw_home> that looks like maybe a buck converter blew (from 170VDC to +15 or somr such)
[05:44:24] <renesis> do what furry says it makes sense
[05:44:48] <furrywolf_> make sure there's no power leaking to the drive somehow from any of the wiring, and that all wiring has the voltage and polarity expected.
[05:44:54] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: why would it blow 2 seperate drives
[05:44:58] <renesis> yeah big coil next to it
[05:45:05] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: what is confusing me
[05:45:08] <zeeshan|2> is it was running just fine?!?!
[05:45:15] <zeeshan|2> and all it took was a power cycle to blow it?
[05:45:28] <furrywolf_> yes, the 3-legged part could be a pass transistor for a switching supply. I haven't traced it, and I hate working on things with ground part numbers.
[05:45:39] <renesis> ya
[05:46:06] <furrywolf_> that's certainly possible given the inductor and the large diode next to it...
[05:46:30] <pcw_home> dont know, but that 4700 uh choke looks like part of a a HV non isolated buck converter
[05:46:50] <zeeshan|2> i cant believe you guys can look at this circuit
[05:46:54] <zeeshan|2> and make sense of it by just looking at it.
[05:46:55] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:47:07] <furrywolf_> that'd support my theory that the cap was overvolted. it looks overvolted. :)
[05:47:12] <renesis> thats a lot of sot23 for a smps unless its its some ancient tl494 style pwm chip and everything protection startup related is external
[05:48:12] <renesis> so you maybe burped the smps control circuitry, because it looks hella analol hacker, and it flipped out and blew its output
[05:48:17] <renesis> stuck on or something
[05:48:48] <furrywolf_> there's a 14 pin and an 8 pin chip that could well be control, but with the markings sanded off...
[05:48:53] <renesis> look close for anything else burnt up, if its just that area, you can maybe just replace the parts
[05:49:04] <renesis> right but you can maybe reverse the pinout
[05:49:04] <zeeshan|2> renesis
[05:49:09] <zeeshan|2> i can buy these drives for cheap
[05:49:13] <zeeshan|2> i dont mind buying them
[05:49:14] <zeeshan|2> its just
[05:49:16] <zeeshan|2> im gonna blow it up again
[05:49:19] <zeeshan|2> which i do mind..
[05:49:26] <renesis> well having them work twice might get spendy
[05:49:27] <zeeshan|2> i only have 1 spare left
[05:49:39] <zeeshan|2> and i really dont want to blow that one up
[05:49:43] <renesis> i would take the other shit off its post relay power relay
[05:49:53] <pcw_home> any chance that the primary got overvolted somehow?
[05:50:02] <renesis> it maybe doesnt have very good brownout immunity
[05:50:18] <furrywolf_> any chance the VFDs could be back-feeding? were they turned on when you e-stopped?
[05:50:25] <renesis> yeah i keep telling him to check power with a DMM or scope or something
[05:50:26] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: yes they were on
[05:50:29] <zeeshan|2> but no motors were running
[05:50:34] <renesis> it wouldnt matter
[05:50:48] <renesis> this has to do with the vfd power supplies pushing energy into each other
[05:50:53] <furrywolf_> if they're just standard rectify-and-filter inputs, they shouldn't be capable of backfeeding.
[05:50:53] <zeeshan|2> why does it only blow up my z drive
[05:51:02] <renesis> and your big one flipping out and burning up an SMPS transistor
[05:51:03] <pcw_home> a sneak path in the primary switching when the drives are disabled could be deadly
[05:51:11] <furrywolf_> do you have an oscilloscope?
[05:51:14] <zeeshan|2> no i dont
[05:51:14] <renesis> your board is what happens when an SMPS stops pwm'ing =\
[05:51:16] <zeeshan|2> i can buy one
[05:51:21] <renesis> then use your dmm at least
[05:51:27] <renesis> do you have an rs232 dmm?
[05:51:32] <zeeshan|2> no
[05:51:46] <pcw_home> are all the drives primary wiring paralleled?
[05:51:47] <furrywolf_> might be interesting to clip a 'scope on random wires and e-stop a few times...
[05:52:08] <furrywolf_> pcw: the one that blows is on a separate contactor pole than the two that don't.
[05:52:21] <renesis> i didnt know that
[05:52:42] <renesis> i thought they were on the same one, but is estop even being tripped? did estop blow shit up or normal power down killed it?
[05:52:44] <pcw_home> even a 100 ma sneak path from 220 could kill the drive if its disabled/unloaded
[05:53:08] <renesis> thats 20W yo!
[05:53:19] <furrywolf_> renesis: he gave details on how it was powered more than once. you even asked about the difference between a contactor and a relay.
[05:53:20] <zeeshan|2> when you say primary wiring paralleled
[05:53:23] <zeeshan|2> what do you exactly mean
[05:53:31] <zeeshan|2> like l1 is powering up all the drives?
[05:53:34] <furrywolf_> you're only switching the hots, not the neutral, right? (and are you sure of that?)
[05:53:46] <pcw_home> Ill bet you have a sneak path and are overvolting the primary somehow
[05:53:48] <renesis> yeah i still dont think theres a difference
[05:53:50] <renesis> but whatever
[05:53:54] <zeeshan|2> what is a sneak path
[05:53:55] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:54:02] <renesis> contactor is just the industrial supply name for a bigass relay
[05:54:12] <furrywolf_> is there any chance you're opening the neutral instead of the hot?
[05:54:24] <renesis> zeeshan|2: short, cap or inductor in a silly state, shrug
[05:55:06] <renesis> its like how car people call capacitors condensers
[05:55:25] <furrywolf_> car people call contactors solenoids. :P
[05:55:51] <renesis> because theyre attached to solenoids a lot of the time!
[05:55:54] <furrywolf_> any chance one of your VFDs is wired across both L1 and L2, rather than L2-neutral?
[05:55:55] <zeeshan|2> i wish i could invert the colors for this
[05:55:59] <renesis> and they call them relays, mostly
[05:56:22] <renesis> solenoid in a car usually makes me think starter motor engage
[05:56:33] <furrywolf_> renesis: no, for example, a fender-mounted starter solenoid is just a contactor.
[05:56:48] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[05:56:50] <zeeshan|2> wiring diagram
[05:56:53] <zeeshan|2> of exactly what i followed
[05:56:53] <renesis> why is there a relay on the fender?
[05:57:07] <renesis> have you like triple checked that?
[05:57:12] <zeeshan|2> instead of "breaker"
[05:57:23] <zeeshan|2> they are fuses
[05:57:23] <furrywolf_> because it uses the little wire from the ignition switch to turn on the big wire to the starter motor.
[05:57:27] <zeeshan|2> thats the only difference
[05:57:46] <renesis> why would that be on the fender, tho?
[05:57:53] <renesis> cars are so weird
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[05:58:47] <furrywolf_> your description of the wiring does not match the diagram. your diagram shows only the driver on a set of contactor contacts, while you said there's also two vfds on it.
[05:58:55] <furrywolf_> because the battery is mounted next to the fender?
[05:59:02] <renesis> wow
[05:59:10] <furrywolf_> and the logical place to put it, keeping the wires short?
[05:59:17] <renesis> when i zoom in dropbox pdf, it zooms the dropbox border
[05:59:19] <renesis> not the pdf
[05:59:22] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:59:38] <renesis> their android pdf reader is a bit on crack too
[05:59:57] <furrywolf_> are your VFDs 110 or 220 input?
[06:00:04] <renesis> man fuck you guys i was reading this i ate all the bourbon chicken bites and dont even remember doing it
[06:00:11] <zeeshan|2> 2 vfds are 110v input
[06:00:18] <furrywolf_> ... is renesis just flyback under another nick?
[06:00:18] <zeeshan|2> spindle is 220v input
[06:00:36] <renesis> no im good at electronics shit =)
[06:00:44] <furrywolf_> so the VFDs running off the same contactor contacts as the z-axis drive are 110V?
[06:00:49] <renesis> you calls relays contactors so you cant say shit =p
[06:01:15] <furrywolf_> a contactor breaks the circuit in two places, while a relay breaks it in one, or something like that. the mechanical design is different.
[06:01:25] <renesis> or something like that?
[06:01:41] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16081023790/
[06:01:43] <furrywolf_> yes, or something like that. if you care, go do your own reading.
[06:01:44] <zeeshan|2> the best is to look at this picture
[06:01:45] <renesis> relays come in single or multiple pole, and single or dual throw
[06:01:48] <zeeshan|2> this will explain it all
[06:01:56] <renesis> normal relay to me is DPDT
[06:01:58] <zeeshan|2> the bottom set of fuse holders are L1
[06:02:07] <zeeshan|2> the second set of fuse holders above them are l2
[06:02:11] <zeeshan|2> the 2 big ass fuse holders are l1 and l2
[06:02:16] <renesis> which you say is a contactor but they dont call them that at digikey or mouser
[06:02:24] <zeeshan|2> the big ass fuse holders go to the contactor right above them
[06:02:28] <furrywolf_> renesis: a contactor usually uses a pair of contacts that close onto another pair of contacts, so when it opens, there are two air gaps, not just one.
[06:02:29] <renesis> well, maybe if theyre huge
[06:02:36] <zeeshan|2> which then powers the spindle vfd
[06:02:50] <zeeshan|2> the X Y Z drives go to a 3 pole contactor
[06:02:54] * furrywolf_ once again saves it and opens it in gimp, because flickr sucks.
[06:02:55] <zeeshan|2> and get killed together
[06:03:07] <renesis> furrywolf_: okay so lots of relays do that
[06:03:31] <zeeshan|2> c axis and a axis (not powered right now, fuse is removed from fuse holder)
[06:03:36] <zeeshan|2> go to their own contactor
[06:03:41] <renesis> standard dual throw stuff, its not going to short out the legs
[06:03:45] <furrywolf_> earlier you said the Z driver was on the same contactor output as two VFDs.
[06:03:45] <zeeshan|2> lastly both coolant pump and hyd pump have their own contactor
[06:03:53] <furrywolf_> that's not what you said earlier!
[06:03:53] <renesis> flyback probably knows this, too, btw
[06:04:03] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: my bad
[06:04:32] <renesis> furrywolf_: and youre bitching at me because im trying to clarify what hes said?
[06:04:42] <renesis> eheheh
[06:05:36] <furrywolf_> so the Z drive has its own contactor contact, with nothing else running off it?
[06:05:53] <renesis> is that for power or estop or what
[06:05:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, watched the NY CNC video or whatever it's called and the guy was changing the bits few times. How does it work on z position? I did not see any calibration going...
[06:06:05] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: exactly
[06:06:25] <zeeshan|2> this is driving me insane
[06:06:31] <zeeshan|2> :(
[06:07:11] <zeeshan|2> would i get this kind of damage
[06:07:24] <furrywolf_> why does your wiring make it look like everything runs through the spindle circuit? lol
[06:07:27] <zeeshan|2> if somehow the motor shorted against the tachometer?!
[06:07:42] <renesis> thats the main circuit, no?
[06:07:50] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: thats the mains side
[06:07:52] <zeeshan|2> to the entire thing
[06:07:56] <furrywolf_> <furrywolf_> any chance your motor power is shorting to the tach?
[06:07:58] <zeeshan|2> notice the empty lugs? thats where the power comes from the breaker panel
[06:08:04] <renesis> i just see it conned to L1/L2/GND
[06:08:12] <renesis> and comm and the motor
[06:08:42] <furrywolf_> ah, so this picture is of a previous state, not its current state.
[06:08:50] <renesis> zeeshan|2: what is the sequency that it blows up?
[06:09:17] <renesis> 20 second power cycling of what relays, and what was the off/on/off/etc order
[06:09:20] <zeeshan|2> power on the system
[06:09:34] <furrywolf_> you're sure you have neutral and ground into the box correct, right? and that you don't have a hot neutral or something silly?
[06:09:37] <zeeshan|2> power it off
[06:09:38] <renesis> does that power the spindle relay?
[06:09:40] <zeeshan|2> wait 20 seconds
[06:09:43] <zeeshan|2> power it back on
[06:09:44] <zeeshan|2> boom
[06:09:53] <renesis> that just does the main disconnect?
[06:09:59] <renesis> or it does each relay in a sequence
[06:10:01] <renesis> or what
[06:10:09] <zeeshan|2> when i press e-stop
[06:10:11] <zeeshan|2> it kills all contactors
[06:10:15] <zeeshan|2> in one shot
[06:10:24] <renesis> is that what you mean power off/on?
[06:10:28] <zeeshan|2> yes
[06:10:29] <renesis> the e-stop?
[06:10:30] <renesis> k
[06:10:36] <renesis> when does main disco happen?
[06:10:45] <zeeshan|2> after i e-stop
[06:10:53] <zeeshan|2> sometimes i just shut it right off
[06:10:54] <renesis> did it blow up before or after main disco
[06:11:04] <zeeshan|2> it blew up asap i got out of e-stop
[06:11:11] <renesis> right that could cause the condition me and furry were thinking
[06:11:12] <zeeshan|2> shot a spark out
[06:11:20] <renesis> okay
[06:11:29] <renesis> are they the same relays?
[06:11:53] <renesis> same model? so timing due to mechanicals and coil force
[06:12:16] <zeeshan|2> you mean contactors?
[06:12:21] <renesis> oh def not
[06:12:33] <renesis> yeah man the switches with the coils next to them
[06:12:38] <zeeshan|2> there are no relays
[06:12:46] <furrywolf_> he's going to insist on calling the contactors relays, because he doesn't think distinguishing terms are useful. he probably calls semitrucks cars too.
[06:12:58] <zeeshan|2> it goes +24vdc -> e-stop -> contactor1 coil, contactor2 coil, contactor 3 coil
[06:12:59] <renesis> i do actually
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[06:13:05] <renesis> i ride my car to school, to
[06:13:12] <zeeshan|2> man its not a relay
[06:13:15] <zeeshan|2> its similar
[06:13:23] <zeeshan|2> its called a contactor because it disconnects contacts
[06:13:26] <zeeshan|2> which can be more than one
[06:13:28] <renesis> how is that not a dual pole single throw relay?
[06:13:49] <renesis> i dont even own any single pole single throw relays =\
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[06:14:05] <furrywolf_> sure you do. cars are full of them.
[06:14:13] <renesis> no i mean in parts bins
[06:14:29] <renesis> point is relays can be single or dual throw and have as many poles as you need
[06:14:45] <furrywolf_> again, are you absolutely sure you have neutral and hot correct? have you measured 120V at the input to your driver, 120V hot to ground, and 0V neutral to ground?
[06:14:50] <renesis> its the most general term
[06:15:30] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: before i hooked up anything
[06:15:41] <zeeshan|2> i measured the voltage at the connector that connects to the servo drive
[06:15:44] <zeeshan|2> i was geetting 120v
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[06:15:57] <renesis> from where to where
[06:16:49] <renesis> N to L1? or GND to L1
[06:17:09] <renesis> because if you swap N and L1 youll still get 120V between them because its the same thing
[06:17:41] <furrywolf_> renesis: just like how a semitruck tends to have a hinge in the middle and a car does not, a relay tends to have a hinged contact, while a contactor does not.
[06:17:58] <renesis> tends to?
[06:18:14] <renesis> what is hinged?
[06:18:23] <renesis> like a spring contact?
[06:18:26] <zeeshan|2> i measured ohms from l1 @ connector to l1 at mains
[06:18:33] <renesis> an actual multipart hinge?
[06:18:33] <zeeshan|2> n to n @ mains
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[06:18:40] <zeeshan|2> and gnd to chassis
[06:18:43] <furrywolf_> a relay is shaped like _/_, while a contactor like _"_.
[06:19:04] <zeeshan|2> contactors also have contacts!
[06:19:10] <zeeshan|2> fancy ones
[06:19:23] <furrywolf_> rather than a single hinged contact, it has a pair of contacts that both open
[06:19:39] <renesis> furrywolf_: in the world of very big thing to certain people you may be correct, but a relay is a switch operated by a coil, it may have several poles, can be dual or single throw, and theres lots of diff switch mechanical setups
[06:20:09] <renesis> theyre all switches
[06:20:36] <renesis> a common relay does mean all the relays are the common type, whatever that is, totally depends on what you work with
[06:20:57] <furrywolf_> right, and cars, trucks, semis, gokarts, unicycles, and stilts are all locomotion aids, so lets call all of them the same thing.
[06:21:14] <renesis> well it would be correct to call a car a vehicle
[06:21:27] <renesis> because a car is a vehicle does not make a truck not a vehicle
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[06:21:36] <renesis> hell a space ship is a vehicle
[06:22:21] <renesis> anyway, for future reference furry, a relay is a switch operated coil
[06:22:30] <renesis> well, reverse
[06:22:39] <renesis> contactor is the same thing
[06:22:40] <furrywolf_> zeeshan: check your z motor wiring again, being sure to measure between the tach and power wires, and everything to the ground... also make sure the control signals to the driver are what you think they are...
[06:22:56] <furrywolf_> the machine works otherwise, right?
[06:23:06] <furrywolf_> that is, until it blows, all parts function like they should?
[06:23:51] <zeeshan|2> yes it works fine
[06:23:54] <furrywolf_> renesis: a car is an engine operated vehicle. a semitruck is an engine operated vehicle. a gokart is an engine operated vehicle. therefor, a semitruck is a car is a gocart is a scooter.
[06:23:58] <zeeshan|2> and then it blows after a power cycle
[06:24:05] <renesis> no furry
[06:24:06] <furrywolf_> at this point, I'm deciding you're either trolling or retarded.
[06:24:10] <renesis> but theyre all vehicles
[06:24:19] <renesis> reed relays are reed relays
[06:24:23] <renesis> contactors are relays
[06:24:27] <renesis> get over it move on
[06:24:36] <renesis> reed relays are relays
[06:24:56] <renesis> man its been almost 40 hours since i slept
[06:25:05] <zeeshan|2> could voltage be going up the ground
[06:25:08] <zeeshan|2> of the servo motor?
[06:25:12] <zeeshan|2> from another device?
[06:25:15] <zeeshan|2> but i guess in that case
[06:25:19] <zeeshan|2> why is only Z blowing
[06:25:22] <zeeshan|2> other shit should blow
[06:25:29] <furrywolf_> yes, but only if the motor has a ground-power short...
[06:25:38] <zeeshan|2> which it doesnt
[06:25:42] <renesis> maybe if other grounds went open
[06:25:42] <zeeshan|2> because ohmmeter told us that
[06:26:00] <renesis> no return, flyback voltages
[06:26:04] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: my weedwacker is a vehicle too!
[06:26:04] <zeeshan|2> :P
[06:26:11] <renesis> it is
[06:26:19] <renesis> but that doesnt make a contactor a vehicle
[06:26:38] <renesis> it also doesnt make the vehicle called a spaceship a weedwacker
[06:26:46] <renesis> im assuming your weedwacker is some sort of riding mower
[06:26:52] <zeeshan|2> renesis: if you call a relay a contactor @ a place like eaton
[06:26:54] <zeeshan|2> you'd prolly get fired
[06:26:55] <zeeshan|2> :)
[06:27:07] <renesis> i dont work there
[06:27:18] <zeeshan|2> if you did!
[06:27:19] <renesis> and why would i call a relay a contactor
[06:27:21] <renesis> it isnt
[06:27:26] <renesis> but a contactor is a relay
[06:27:28] <zeeshan|2> why would you call a contactor a relay?
[06:27:30] <furrywolf_> power it up with the bad drive removed, and carefully measure every single wire to the driver, and make sure they're exactly what they should be. with no drive, every wire that goes to the motor should read completely dead, both to each other and ground. same for the tach. your control inputs should all be logic voltages. the hot mains input should read 120v to the neutral, the ground wire, and the frame. the neutral input should read 0v to ground an
[06:27:38] <renesis> because its a coil operated switch
[06:27:44] <renesis> its a type of relay
[06:27:48] <furrywolf_> because he's defective, and won't listen even though I've explained the difference several times.
[06:27:50] <renesis> a relay is not a type of contactor
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[06:28:06] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: and if they all do?
[06:28:07] <zeeshan|2> then what :(
[06:28:31] <furrywolf_> then get an oscilloscope and see if anything really weird happens on e-stop...
[06:28:33] <renesis> do what furry says step by step
[06:29:23] <furrywolf_> be warned you'll be working and measuring live, disconnected wiring for this step. assume ALL wires are live, even those going to the disconnected motor and tach.
[06:29:45] <renesis> i like taping open wires down
[06:29:46] <furrywolf_> this means don't use your fingers to hold the tip of the probe to the wire. :)
[06:30:10] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: the only thing live is
[06:30:13] <furrywolf_> especially don't do this with both hands, when measuring the mains input, one hand per probe. :P
[06:30:16] <zeeshan|2> the retarded iec c14 connector
[06:30:21] <zeeshan|2> which is very hard to get owned by
[06:30:41] <furrywolf_> yes, in theory. but you're working with a system that may well have a short somewhere backfeeding power.
[06:30:41] <zeeshan|2> cause the damn live portions are so deep inside it
[06:30:53] <zeeshan|2> well in that case
[06:30:59] <renesis> http://w3.siemens.com/mcms/industrial-controls/en/controls/contactor/contactor-relay/pages/default.aspx
[06:31:01] <zeeshan|2> shouldnt i just quickly measure ohms between ground
[06:31:07] <zeeshan|2> and the primary side of ALL my devices?
[06:31:09] <zeeshan|2> with power turned off.
[06:31:13] <renesis> zeeshan|2: do what furry says!
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[06:31:23] <renesis> anyway, siemens and me are right
[06:31:26] <furrywolf_> if it's frying because you're somehow ending up with 220v on the motor leads even with the driver removed, you don't want to find this out when you complete the circuit yourself.
[06:31:32] <renesis> you talk shit about eaton anyway
[06:31:38] <renesis> laters
[06:31:59] <ve7it> problem could be a loose N connection.... instead of your broken Z drive wire in a 100w light bulb and do the same on the L1 side... on powerup if one pops, its because of a bad neutral connection
[06:32:13] <furrywolf_> no, you shouldn't. shorts are often non-linear. this is why insulation testing is always done at high voltage, because problems often don't show up at the fraction of a volt a multimeter uses.
[06:32:33] <renesis> this ve7it guy is smart
[06:32:35] <furrywolf_> testing powered up is more reliable than ohms measurements
[06:33:23] <furrywolf_> yes, it could be a bad N... which is part of why I've suggested several times actually measuring things. :)
[06:33:32] <zeeshan|2> okay tell me again
[06:33:33] <zeeshan|2> once more
[06:33:40] <zeeshan|2> im measuring l1 and n
[06:33:43] <zeeshan|2> at the connector of the drive
[06:33:48] <zeeshan|2> with a volt meter
[06:34:15] <zeeshan|2> i dont have a 100 watt bulb
[06:34:17] <zeeshan|2> those things are rare now
[06:34:25] <zeeshan|2> its all led :P and ccfl
[06:34:27] <zeeshan|2> or halogen
[06:34:59] <furrywolf_> you're measuring EVERY WIRE that connects to the driver.
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[06:36:04] <furrywolf_> hot to neutral should be 120v. hot to ground should be 120v. hot to the metal chasis should be 120v. neutral to ground should be 0v. neutral to chasis should be 0v. in e-stop, all should be 0v. every wire to the motor and the tach, measured to each other and to ground, should be 0v. every control to the drive should be a low-level logic voltage, whatever yours is.
[06:38:13] <zeeshan|2> okay
[06:38:17] <zeeshan|2> going to do it now :)
[06:39:10] <furrywolf_> and I'm going to go to bed. it's an hour and forty minutes past my bedtime, because I've been doing this.
[06:39:15] <zeeshan|2> thank you!
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[06:39:47] <furrywolf_> right now you're trying to determine if voltage is somehow getting into the drive from an external source, that shouldn't be.
[06:39:55] <furrywolf_> or if you have a major wiring issue, like bad neutral.
[06:40:21] <zeeshan|2> ill be optimistic :P
[06:40:25] <zeeshan|2> i know its likely not wiring
[06:40:33] <zeeshan|2> because i moved the drive
[06:40:41] <zeeshan|2> from the Z axis wiring
[06:40:44] <zeeshan|2> to A axis wiring
[06:40:51] <zeeshan|2> and it did the exact same thing
[06:40:58] <zeeshan|2> that only confirms l1, n , gnd are all good
[06:41:15] <zeeshan|2> but it could still be getting voltage on the control side
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[06:41:45] <furrywolf_> so you swapped the power plug (sounds like computer plugs?) between when the first drive blew and the second drive blew?
[06:42:16] <zeeshan|2> check this
[06:42:17] <zeeshan|2> out
[06:42:30] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7480/16082519967_8e2e4ad967_h.jpg
[06:42:37] <zeeshan|2> a proper link this time :)
[06:42:48] <zeeshan|2> i moved the drive from the Z axis spot
[06:42:52] <zeeshan|2> removed the A axis drive
[06:42:55] <zeeshan|2> er
[06:43:00] <zeeshan|2> left the A axis drive where it is
[06:43:10] <zeeshan|2> just moved the J6 connector
[06:43:20] <zeeshan|2> and servo motor wires to the A axis.
[06:43:23] <zeeshan|2> drive
[06:43:30] <zeeshan|2> and it did the exact same thing
[06:44:08] <furrywolf_> so you moved the control, motor power, and tach wires, and it blew the drive you moved them to?
[06:44:13] <zeeshan|2> yes
[06:44:23] <zeeshan|2> the only thing i didnt move
[06:44:27] <zeeshan|2> was theL1 N gnd
[06:44:31] <zeeshan|2> on th drive power side.
[06:44:55] <furrywolf_> so you swapped from a drive on l2 to a drive on l1, then?
[06:45:04] <zeeshan|2> no
[06:45:07] <zeeshan|2> it stayed l2.
[06:45:12] <zeeshan|2> a c and z are all l2
[06:45:18] <furrywolf_> ah
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[06:46:36] <witnit> is anyone familiar with these units? Im curious about backlash in the spindle during reversing the spindle rotation. I intend to use this with dual servos for ridgid tapping. Suggestions to alternatives preferably much smaller.
[06:46:40] <furrywolf_> definitely check for unexpected power on the motor, tach, and control wires... also check for motor to tach shorts.
[06:46:41] <furrywolf_> bbl
[06:46:45] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sugino-Selfeeder-Mechatric-Self-feeding-Drill-Package-MSX-113S-Used-WARRANTY-/390017659354?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5acedd31da
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[06:53:36] <RyanS> hmm this venturi burner i built works fine until i mount it on a forge, then it chokes up. if i blow air around the nozzle it fires like satan himself designed it... forge too small?
[06:54:28] <RyanS> and LOUD with added air
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[07:14:44] <witnit> hello new2cnc welcome!
[07:15:38] <witnit> i used to be new2cnc as well, now im referred to as bad@cnc
[07:17:17] <RyanS> im tootight4cnc
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[07:31:05] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/fKIOl#0
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[07:31:07] <zeeshan|2> second failure pics
[07:31:14] <zeeshan|2> this one blew up even worse!
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[07:32:47] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/rIy7k#0
[07:32:49] <zeeshan|2> first failure
[07:33:26] <zeeshan|2> hm
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[07:33:32] <zeeshan|2> now that i look at it closely
[07:33:35] <zeeshan|2> that 3 pin thing
[07:33:40] <zeeshan|2> does have a missing pin even in normal state
[07:33:46] <zeeshan|2> it looks like the caps just blew up
[07:34:25] <zeeshan|2> what is interesting is the only ones that failed are the yellow ones
[07:34:33] <zeeshan|2> in the first failure the black caps didnt fail
[07:35:13] <bobo_> pcw_home Sneak path ----Thankes been a long time since I've heard that term. Zeeshan listen up to what he says.
[07:35:33] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: lol
[07:36:09] <zeeshan|2> bobo
[07:36:13] <zeeshan|2> analyze both failures!
[07:37:43] <bobo_> my money is along the lines of where PCW is exploring
[07:38:04] <zeeshan|2> i dont get what he means by sneak path
[07:38:11] <zeeshan|2> a high voltage
[07:38:13] <zeeshan|2> wher eit shouldnt be?
[07:42:45] <bobo_> sneek as in custormer equipment setting ,the Z drive design is being hammered above what circuit can take.
[07:43:41] <zeeshan|2> i am doubtful of that because
[07:43:47] <zeeshan|2> the motor wasn't in running state when this happened
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[07:43:56] <bobo_> such as drives switching low volt supp;y
[07:44:25] <witnit> is this ac drive?
[07:44:31] <zeeshan|2> witnit: yes it takes ac input
[07:44:43] <zeeshan|2> i havent shown the ac rectifier stuff
[07:44:44] <witnit> whats the output?
[07:44:50] <zeeshan|2> but the bottom left side
[07:45:04] <zeeshan|2> where the red and black wire are, is what the voltage supply outputs
[07:45:11] <zeeshan|2> output of what?
[07:45:19] <witnit> I just had these older copely I was not sure if they were good for parts
[07:45:25] <witnit> looked similar
[07:45:39] <witnit> there were some customer specific not pots type drives
[07:45:49] <bobo_> witnit Z is talking about the Servo Drive
[07:45:50] <witnit> and i dont think i have use for them
[07:46:40] <bobo_> Servo drive on Z axis
[07:47:02] <zeeshan|2> i really dont wanna get a larger capacity drive
[07:47:04] <zeeshan|2> and have it blow up
[07:47:06] <zeeshan|2> doing the same thing
[07:47:25] <zeeshan|2> i'm afraid now~! :P
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[07:47:44] <Connor> Send AMC a picture of the damage and see if they can give you a idea of where to look.
[07:47:57] <zeeshan|2> i sent it to one of their representatives
[07:47:58] <zeeshan|2> lets see
[07:49:29] <bobo_> Zeeshan are all 3 drives the same ? or is Z a larger amp cap than X an Y ?
[07:49:36] <zeeshan|2> all 3 are the same
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[07:52:38] <Connor> yea, you got one strange mystery..
[07:52:41] <Deejay> moin
[07:53:49] <bobo_> Hi Deejay
[07:53:54] <Deejay> hi bobo
[07:57:27] <zeeshan|2> im thinking
[07:57:36] <zeeshan|2> im just gonna remove the servo drives from the e-stop contactor loop.
[07:57:52] <Connor> That's really not a solution.
[07:57:58] <zeeshan|2> the disable
[07:58:13] <zeeshan|2> is much "softer"
[07:58:14] <zeeshan|2> on the drive
[07:58:17] <zeeshan|2> vs a power cycle
[07:58:23] <bobo_> Zeeshan my thinking is the drives switching low voltage supply is locking up from restarting at a partically charged level
[07:58:26] <Connor> you really need to figure it out.. power cycling the drives shouldn't blow them up.
[07:59:17] <bobo_> DC buss level
[07:59:18] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: what is the low voltage supply that youre talking about
[07:59:36] <zeeshan|2> so youre talking about the DC regulation
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[08:00:08] <zeeshan|2> it just makes no sense to me why it blows up on the Z drive only
[08:00:12] <zeeshan|2> thats what really bothers me
[08:00:20] <zeeshan|2> it should be doing that to all drives
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[08:00:41] <zeeshan|2> the only thing different about the Z drive in terms of power supply
[08:00:44] <zeeshan|2> is that it's powered using l2
[08:00:49] <zeeshan|2> not l1 like x and y are.
[08:01:33] <bobo_> dc low voltage power supp;y for control bd
[08:01:50] <witnit> so you think maybe the motor is shorting back into your drives because bad motor?
[08:02:06] <renesis> 12:03:15 < bobo_> Zeeshan my thinking is the drives switching low voltage supply is locking up from restarting at a partically charged level
[08:02:10] <bobo_> such as 5 volt -- etc
[08:02:11] <zeeshan|2> witnit i measured the motor lead to motor ground
[08:02:13] <renesis> +1 bobo_
[08:02:15] <zeeshan|2> and there is no resistance
[08:02:29] <zeeshan|2> er
[08:02:30] <renesis> it looks like a TL494 circuit, analol hax
[08:02:31] <zeeshan|2> there is resistance.
[08:03:45] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: but all the other x and y drives
[08:03:48] <zeeshan|2> also have 5v going to them
[08:03:51] <zeeshan|2> from the control side.
[08:03:55] <zeeshan|2> why dont they blow up
[08:03:55] <renesis> theyre not the same circuit
[08:04:26] <renesis> discrete control circuitry for switcher psu can be sensitive to all sorts of random things
[08:04:28] <zeeshan|2> same circuit as in power circuit?
[08:04:35] <renesis> yes
[08:04:37] <bobo_> Zeeshan the VFD s are on the same AC hot lead as that Z drive-------I think ?
[08:04:43] <witnit> what kind of feedback device does the motor use?
[08:04:52] <zeeshan|2> witnit tachometer
[08:04:58] <renesis> a modern smps would have a lot more integration and wouldnt let itself get stuck on
[08:05:00] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: bobo yes
[08:05:25] <zeeshan|2> okay so to test this vfd back feeding into the drive
[08:05:35] <zeeshan|2> all i need is a volt meter
[08:05:36] <witnit> tachometer back to drive or tachometer to control?
[08:05:41] <zeeshan|2> and hopefully it can pick it up?
[08:05:50] <zeeshan|2> witnet tachometer back to drive for velocity feedback
[08:05:53] <renesis> wtf no way
[08:05:56] <renesis> it just wont
[08:06:01] <zeeshan|2> ok i need a scope then
[08:06:01] <renesis> not accurately even if something blips
[08:06:17] <renesis> averaging time on dmm is huge compared to an event that could cause this
[08:06:19] <witnit> possible it could be shorting back through tach?
[08:06:24] <renesis> if you want to see you need a scope
[08:06:30] <zeeshan|2> witnit please explain
[08:06:32] <zeeshan|2> shorting how
[08:06:33] <renesis> or microcontroller skills and balls
[08:06:57] <renesis> did you check the motor electronics?
[08:07:06] <zeeshan|2> i only checked motor leads
[08:07:07] <renesis> this is dc brushless?
[08:07:08] <zeeshan|2> motor lkead to ground
[08:07:14] <zeeshan|2> its brush.
[08:07:26] <zeeshan|2> i checked electromagnetic brake coil to ground
[08:07:27] <renesis> have you cleaned it out?
[08:07:28] <zeeshan|2> they were fine
[08:07:34] <zeeshan|2> no
[08:07:39] <witnit> well, my tach was an amature directly behind my servos brush motor and it could get back through can you loop without tach and test tach leads during operatoin?
[08:07:41] <renesis> maybe theres just brush dust on the circuits
[08:08:05] <renesis> or something stupid, paperclip in a vent who knows, you blew two drives i think its time to check, ya?
[08:08:29] <zeeshan|2> witnit my tachometer sits
[08:08:33] <witnit> maybe voltage spikes on it i dunno just trying to imagine what would have the amps to pop those circuits without a backfeed directly from the amps output
[08:08:34] <zeeshan|2> in a seperate box behind the motor
[08:08:45] <zeeshan|2> like its part of the motor
[08:08:51] <zeeshan|2> its on the same shaft
[08:08:55] <zeeshan|2> but its got a partitin
[08:08:59] <zeeshan|2> partition
[08:09:01] <witnit> glentek motors?
[08:09:05] <zeeshan|2> no siemens
[08:09:19] <renesis> like, you could have some gunk that is RC parallel and on transistions its shorting through the cap enough to fuck something
[08:09:19] <witnit> mine were not sealed from the main motor in any way
[08:09:40] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/$T2eC16J,!)0E9s37F,2HBQ,w9,Vqh!~~60_35.JPG
[08:09:43] <zeeshan|2> you see trhat plastic box?
[08:09:45] <renesis> so like, you cut the power and it goes from 120V to 0V at the equiv of 10MHz
[08:09:46] <zeeshan|2> thats where my tacho sits
[08:10:02] <witnit> link?
[08:10:10] <zeeshan|2> "
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/$T2eC16J,!)0E9s37F,2HBQ,w9,Vqh!~~60_35.JPG "
[08:10:12] <renesis> and it flips out switcher control circuits during powerdown sequence
[08:10:15] <zeeshan|2> i dont know why its not pasting right
[08:10:21] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIEMENS-DUBAI-STOCK-MOTOR1HU3-071-1HU3071-1-HU3071-0AF01-Z-1HU30710AF01Z-1HU1052-/261243288451
[08:10:39] <renesis> are yours clean like that?
[08:10:44] <zeeshan|2> yea
[08:10:46] <zeeshan|2> fairly clean!
[08:11:00] <renesis> no vents anywhere?
[08:11:05] <renesis> looks sealed
[08:11:05] <zeeshan|2> nope
[08:11:07] <zeeshan|2> it is.
[08:11:08] <zeeshan|2> :)
[08:11:32] <zeeshan|2> what are the chances
[08:11:40] <zeeshan|2> that the vfds are being gay
[08:11:50] <zeeshan|2> and back feeding into the drive
[08:11:55] <zeeshan|2> they do stay on for a while.
[08:11:59] <zeeshan|2> even after disconnecting
[08:12:11] <zeeshan|2> they hold their charge for like 15 seconds
[08:12:11] <Connor> Looking at you schem, X Y and Z are all on L1
[08:12:22] <zeeshan|2> connor it isnt
[08:12:30] <Connor> Schem Wrong ?
[08:12:31] <renesis> i dunno man i wouldnt blame the others vfd for the spindle drives psu flipping out
[08:12:38] <zeeshan|2> are you lookign at drop box link?
[08:12:43] <Connor> Yes
[08:12:47] <bobo_> Z is on L2
[08:12:53] <zeeshan|2> its wrong then :P
[08:13:02] <Connor> It's yellow...
[08:13:37] <Connor> VFD's can be regenerative.. and dump power back into the buss...
[08:13:52] <zeeshan|2> yellow is l2 connor
[08:13:59] <zeeshan|2> diagram is right
[08:14:04] <zeeshan|2> er
[08:14:08] <zeeshan|2> it is wrong!
[08:14:17] <Connor> X and Y are yellow too.
[08:14:37] <zeeshan|2> yea i f'ed up the diagram
[08:14:41] <zeeshan|2> i changed wiring a bit after
[08:14:46] <bobo_> L1 or L2 to neutral =120VAC , L1 to L2 ====220 VAC
[08:15:03] <zeeshan|2> sorry about that
[08:15:08] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7471/16081023790_ea7e9061b0_h.jpg
[08:15:16] <zeeshan|2> i hope you guys can read that
[08:15:24] <zeeshan|2> this is the best image to describe power distribution
[08:15:35] <zeeshan|2> you can see l1 and l2 pretty clearly here
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[08:15:52] <zeeshan|2> and the vfd theory goes out the window
[08:16:17] <zeeshan|2> cause x y , hyd pump vfd, coolant pump vfd, power supplies, fans, pc are all on l1
[08:16:37] <zeeshan|2> since the spindle vfd is 240v
[08:16:41] <zeeshan|2> its on both l1 and l2
[08:17:05] <Connor> I dunno.. I think I would call it a night and see what AMC says.
[08:18:02] <zeeshan|2> agreed! :)
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[08:21:16] <bobo_> zeeshan if you call AMC might be worth while to have revision # of bds
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[08:26:21] <zeeshan|2> i emailed em
[08:26:22] <zeeshan|2> if they dont respond
[08:26:24] <zeeshan|2> ill call
[08:26:31] <zeeshan|2> email is nice cause i can send pics
[08:27:58] <bobo_> zeeshan been able to get those special fittings yet ----lub sys plumbing ?
[08:28:03] <zeeshan|2> yes
[08:28:06] <zeeshan|2> in 2 weeks
[08:28:07] <zeeshan|2> ill get them
[08:28:16] <zeeshan|2> they are non-standard fittings
[08:28:21] <zeeshan|2> 100% sure abou that
[08:28:27] <zeeshan|2> i ordered 10 of each
[08:28:27] <zeeshan|2> lol
[08:28:36] <zeeshan|2> i dont want to deal with this nonsense again
[08:29:16] <bobo_> just love it -----tell them it's for my heart-lung mach
[08:29:36] <zeeshan|2> Non-Warranty $323 $100 Repair price not to exceed $323 Warranty $0 $100 There is no charge for warranty repairs, however if there are no problems found (NPF), there is a processing fee of $100
[08:29:39] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[08:29:49] <zeeshan|2> amc will repair drives for $323
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[08:33:47] <bobo_> I bet they know the switcher design is on the very edge
[08:36:12] <zeeshan|2> clearly its a dog shit drive
[08:36:17] <zeeshan|2> for it to explode like this
[08:36:27] <zeeshan|2> i might just end up getting a yaskawa or something
[08:36:47] <bobo_> hang on
[08:37:17] <zeeshan|2> i mean if a VFD can detect a short
[08:37:19] <zeeshan|2> in a motor coil
[08:37:31] <zeeshan|2> i don't see why this drive cant.
[08:39:27] <bobo_> my thought is ----set up the AC input for a brown out voltage level ----it shuts down and stays off for say 5min
[08:40:13] <zeeshan|2> shouldn't have to man
[08:40:38] <zeeshan|2> i give up for the night :)
[08:40:40] <zeeshan|2> gnite!!
[08:41:08] <bobo_> turn on is via resistor to limit inrush-------charging the DC caps
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[08:43:55] <anarchos2> so I see in the linuxcnc.org gmoccapy thread there's a 1.5.0 version. I'm running the latest 2.6.5 but my gmoccapy is 1.3.6....do i have to update it independently of linuxcnc?
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[11:30:05] <witnit> micges I tried to do ad you said yesterday but i dont know how to get SMP PREEMT, to install it fresh from iso means i can't do build-dep linuxcnc without changing to rtai.. so now i have the dependencies built how do i go back to SMP PREEMT
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[11:33:48] <witnit> "dvipng" was the file it could not aquire it seems
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[11:34:36] <micges> don't make build-dep, just simply configure and make
[11:34:38] <witnit> ohhh k, I think i got it :/ just sudo apt-get install kernal?
[11:34:50] <witnit> oh, but it would not build
[11:34:56] <witnit> it needed lots of things
[11:35:24] <witnit> I did sudo apt-get install build-dep linuxcnc
[11:35:39] <micges> it will print what you need to install
[11:35:59] <micges> hold on
[11:36:10] <micges> do you have preempt kjernel installed?
[11:36:36] <witnit> yeah
[11:36:47] <micges> switch to it
[11:36:48] <witnit> I did apt-get updaate/upgrade
[11:37:06] <witnit> and had to reinstall it after build-dep linuxcnc
[11:37:38] <micges> forget build-dep, it works only under rtai
[11:38:15] <witnit> but it would not let me do "make" without alot of items
[11:39:01] <micges> does build-dep install needed packets besides other kernel?
[11:39:17] <witnit> libudev-dev not found
[11:40:02] <witnit> i dont know much about what im doing :/
[11:40:28] <micges> are you under rt-preempt kernel?
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[11:43:04] <witnit_cnc> Linux debian 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[11:43:12] <witnit_cnc> correct or did ruin things again ahahaha
[11:45:08] <micges> install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae
[11:45:21] <micges> it's available in synapti
[11:45:22] <micges> c
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[11:52:37] <witnit> how does one know without coming here and asking you specifically. these types of things such as which kernal and why i play ./configure with a special option for my needs
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[11:56:03] <micges> I know, Ipromise I'll make wiki for it
[11:56:22] <witnit> yeah.. but how do you know
[11:56:55] <witnit> like what circle of knowledge do i need to be aware of to not need a wiki for it
[12:00:05] <micges> I know which kernel becouse I've choosed it making hm2_eth driver
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[12:09:46] <witnit> okay it seems after doing install libudev-dev the ./configure was fine
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[12:15:42] <witnit> im not entirely sure what compiling is, but i been doing alot of it lately =D
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[12:22:41] <witnit> micges thank you very much for making the driver, it is very much appreciated
[12:23:41] <micges> welcome
[12:23:58] <micges> remind me what board do you have?
[12:24:35] <witnit> 7i92
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[12:30:24] <witnit> I had this idea for an online configurator through mesa, you pick the card combination you want through an online form and it pre-flashes the cards and is supplied with a bootable usb linuxcnc (too much?)
[12:32:09] <micges> yeah that would be neat
[12:32:50] <witnit> it would sell
[12:32:51] <witnit> hahahah
[12:37:19] <witnit> just get yourself a robotic arm and large programming bank with a couple hundred of each card. A boxing machine and shipping labeler then get to programming
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[12:58:35] <Tom_itx> micges thanks for your help yesterday
[13:00:53] <micges> welcome
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[13:33:22] <jthornton> I placed an order with Reprapdiscount on Monday and it is supposed to be here today... how do they ship that fast from Hong Kong when it takes 3 days to ship from SE MO to NE AR and that is only 150 miles
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[13:37:19] <malcom2073_> DHL rocks?
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[13:57:16] <JT-Shop> FedEx
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[14:58:36] <malcom2073_> Huh, well that's interesting
[14:59:43] <jack16> wut?
[15:03:13] <malcom2073_> Fedex is getting faster
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[15:21:47] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYczDsj0ATI in Taipei today
[15:27:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah In saw that earlier.. Unbelievable and tragic
[15:32:04] <Deejay> hi mister PetefromTn_!
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[15:32:33] <CaptHindsight> it's in a densely populated area, the river runs through town
[15:32:35] <PetefromTn_> HEY DEEJAY!
[15:33:00] <CaptHindsight> makes sense that the pilot aimed for it vs the surrounding buildings
[15:33:04] <Deejay> :-)
[15:33:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah well considering the densely populated area he did a fantastic job getting it to the river
[15:37:12] <PetefromTn_> altho honestly from the looks of that video it does not appear he had a great deal of control at that point...
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[15:46:25] <jack16> It's miracle that some passengers survived
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[15:52:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is amazing. One video I saw that showed the wreck panned down to the river and that bridge is really high up from the water level below. Amazing that anyone survived.
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[15:59:00] <mozmck> PCW: does the hm2_eth driver support the 7i92?
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[16:01:58] <witnit> ... seems to work, im bad at this and i have it talking to axis gui
[16:02:18] <micges> mozmck: yes
[16:02:20] <mozmck> witnit: a 7i92?
[16:02:23] <witnit> yes
[16:02:36] <witnit> i still dont have it right though
[16:02:43] <witnit> its telling me things i dont understand
[16:02:46] <mozmck> ok, thanks. I was looking at the driver and didn't see any mention of it
[16:03:15] <witnit> i hear there is a wiki in the making for it :)
[16:03:41] <mozmck> is there a link?
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[16:04:19] <witnit> not yet, but in the last 24 hours micges has given me enough links and input to get it working :)
[16:04:32] <witnit> if you want to look at irc logs
[16:04:44] <gene80> Hey everybody!
[16:04:51] <witnit> hello gene
[16:05:58] <mozmck> ok, thanks! I'm new to mesa hardware here. I'll check the irc logs.
[16:06:04] <mozmck> zlog
[16:06:04] <zlog> mozmck: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-02-04.html
[16:07:05] <gene80> this is a CF, first quality, I am ssh'd into my mills machine, and running konversation on it because the konversation from the wheezy (hybride.iso) is hard coded for only debian lists.
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[16:08:49] <gene80> I lost the main drive in the house machine last friday, and have been running on a couple houirs sleep a night, trying to get an install that will actually run from one of these new 4k-sector disks. Right PIMA
[16:08:51] <witnit> i need a map for all the sshing i do, I reallly like byobu, do you use it?
[16:10:22] * JT-Shop hates waiting and waiting
[16:10:42] <gene80> So now in my attempts to make kmail run again, I've installed a non rt amd64 kernel as some of my kmail folders are north of 5Gb! kmail crash, allocate failures.
[16:11:50] <gene80> But, I just found that linuxcnc kicks back for lack of a rtai patched kernel, won't even get to picking a sim mode.
[16:11:58] <mozmck> gene80: what distribution are you running?
[16:13:17] <gene80> So, has Seb managed to build a replacement (hybride.iso from lcnc's site) that is rtai AND PAE or better yet, a full amd64?
[16:14:22] <gene80> This is your version of 12.04 LTS I think, sort of wheezyish.
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[16:15:21] <mozmck> for my main computer with email and all, I run Linux Mint 17.1 and I just compile linuxcnc for uspace to run sim
[16:16:54] <mozmck> The reason linuxcnc won't run for you is that it was compiled for rtai and requires those realtime modules to run. You have to compile it for uspace to run it with a non-rtai kernel.
[16:17:47] <gene80> I haven't added that repo to my sources.list yet, I don't think this has been a big whirlwind of trying to find a distro whose partitioner knows about 4k/sector disks
[16:19:04] <mozmck> what repo?
[16:19:06] <gene80> that would be "deb
http://linuxcnc.org wheezy base 2.7-uspace"?
[16:19:42] <mozmck> oh, I'm not sure. you might have to get it from buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[16:20:08] <gene80> lemme run synaptic up the flagpole & check, brb
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[16:21:58] <JT-Shop> tjb1, bulldog and ramps 1.4 have arrived!
[16:22:11] <PetefromTn_> WOW that vacuum fixture with the gaskets really seems to hold the parts downz!!
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[16:23:37] <Rab> PetefromTn_, cool! Are you using a compressed air venturi>
[16:28:21] <JT-Shop> tjb1, is there some place to find the instructions on them?
[16:28:25] <cpresser_> my machine has an absolute encoder. so i want to disable homing. for now i have 'immediate homing', but thats not what i want
[16:28:49] <CaptHindsight> gene80: 64b RTAI has been working for 6+ months
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[16:29:01] <gene80> Ok, now have the uspace installed. But I don't see a newer 3.4.9-rtai-pae kernel yet.
[16:29:31] <gene80> Capthindsight: where can I get that kernel from?
[16:29:49] <CaptHindsight> gene80: but you have to build it all from source
[16:30:03] <gene80> which repo
[16:30:25] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI
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[16:33:57] <gene80> Loverly, gotta install git first :) Wrote that down, thanks
[16:38:58] <gene80> Actually, iceweazil pulled the zip just fine. So I'll have something to play with if & when I get email working, thank you
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[17:09:13] <PetefromTn_> anyone know of a local source for vacuum pump oil?
[17:09:39] <cradek> good lord, do not advise gene to build rtai and a kernel from source
[17:09:43] <Brunetty> Local?
[17:09:44] <cradek> that's insane
[17:10:23] <cradek> if he's installed linuxcnc's uspace build he should use the debian -rt kernel
[17:10:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah IE not ordering online
[17:12:23] <PetefromTn_> I think O'reilly's has it.
[17:12:40] <pcw_home> with uspace you can run rt with a stock kernel (at 20 Hz or so)
[17:13:30] <PetefromTn_> cradek LOL
[17:13:31] <mozmck> that will keep him busy, but might increase list traffic :)
[17:14:15] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Video? :)
[17:14:49] <PetefromTn_> video of what?
[17:15:02] <Connor> the vacuum fixtures.
[17:15:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh man
[17:15:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I will try to do that
[17:15:15] <Connor> duh.
[17:15:20] <PetefromTn_> but I got a little problem
[17:15:42] <pcw_home> auto parts stores often have vacuum oil
[17:16:17] <Connor> what's the problem ?
[17:16:37] <PetefromTn_> the gaskets I bought are either porous slightly or something is leaking because the pump sucked up some coolant while the cutting was happening
[17:16:51] <PetefromTn_> the vacuum fixture holds the parts down like gangbusters tho
[17:16:51] <Connor> Ick
[17:17:03] <PetefromTn_> so I am trying to decide what to do about it
[17:17:22] <PetefromTn_> I THINK I can put an air compressor big water trap inline
[17:17:22] <pcw_home> non detergent 30 wt motor oils should OK also
[17:17:33] <PetefromTn_> Really?
[17:17:35] <Connor> would a little vacuum chamber in line help ?
[17:17:38] <PetefromTn_> I thought it would combust
[17:18:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah it probably would
[17:18:09] <PetefromTn_> I have that bigass air cylinder here
[17:18:14] <Connor> air compressor water trap same idea.
[17:18:38] <PetefromTn_> either way the parts were looking glorious!!
[17:18:58] <PetefromTn_> and the parts held down even with the coolant getting sucked up throughout the program
[17:18:58] <Connor> which air pump you end up getting / using ?
[17:19:11] <PetefromTn_> I got the little AC one from HF
[17:19:23] <Connor> which one?
[17:19:37] <PetefromTn_> the fixture is working beautifully tho which is amazing since it is the first one I ever made
[17:19:48] <PetefromTn_> just gotta do something about the coolant
[17:20:33] <Connor> They have the 2.5 CFM and 3 CFM 2 Stage, and the Venturi version.
[17:20:40] <PetefromTn_> 25
[17:20:44] <PetefromTn_> 2,5
[17:20:47] <PetefromTn_> 2.5!!
[17:20:53] <Connor> ROFL
[17:21:11] <Connor> I never understand why the have 2 sku's for the same part.
[17:21:23] <Connor> 61245 and 98076
[17:21:36] <Connor> and 61176 / 60805
[17:21:55] <Rab> I think it might be for different factory sources.
[17:22:17] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/qe9c7EG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1G5AYEn.jpg
[17:22:34] <Rab> Sometimes different skus have different packaging, but the items are identical. Sometimes they vary slightly.
[17:23:09] <PetefromTn_> so right now I gotta run into town and get some more compressor oil so I can empty the vacuum pump of the coolant and put some fresh stuff in there
[17:23:19] <Connor> PetefromTn_: why does the center groves go all the way to the edge ?
[17:23:27] <PetefromTn_> and I need to setup some kind of water trap or something to keep it from happening again
[17:23:48] <Connor> You could make a trap out of PVC
[17:24:02] <PetefromTn_> I thought it looked pretty that way.....Shit I dunno man LOL
[17:24:31] <PetefromTn_> I just wanted to make sure the vacuum reached the gasket area and I got a good suck down all around the part
[17:24:46] <PetefromTn_> they are only .04 deep and the slot is .08 deep for a .125 gasket
[17:25:07] <Connor> 2 Encaps and some pvc.. install 2 connectors at the top..
[17:25:25] <Connor> or one at top and one on the side.
[17:25:29] <PetefromTn_> I tried putting the vacuum pump up high and it definitely slowed down the coolant but it still sucked it up slowly
[17:25:57] <PetefromTn_> there is enough in there now that the little sight window looks kinda green heh
[17:26:04] <PetefromTn_> damnit
[17:26:25] <PetefromTn_> and I was getting all excited about it :D
[17:27:07] <Connor> http://www.labconco.com/images/cms/large/7873400.jpg
[17:27:09] <Rab> Grainger have vacuum water separators which look just like compressed air separators...not sure what the difference is for vacuum.
[17:27:11] <Connor> something like that
[17:27:13] <PetefromTn_> gotta look at this air cylinder here and see if there is enough distance between where the air would come in and out..
[17:27:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah something like that with a little drain at the bottom should work.
[17:28:09] <PetefromTn_> honestly a compressor water trap SHOULD work fine.
[17:28:17] <PetefromTn_> as long as it is not a POS
[17:29:43] <PetefromTn_> the good news is once I get this sorted the fixture should work great. The parts were really solid on there and the cuts looked good but I forgot to change from the tabbed program I had before to the complete cutout program I needed AND I forgot to add a finish pass... What a shithead lOL
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[17:32:23] <PetefromTn_> I would prefer something clear so I can monitor it to see if it is working so I don't have to keep dumping this pump oil..
[17:32:37] <PetefromTn_> which kind of rules out the big air cylinder..
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[17:39:50] <jdh> acrylic tubing
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[17:55:31] <ssi_> :I
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[17:55:48] <ssi> jdh: any idea how easy it is to bend acrylic tubing?
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[17:58:15] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[18:02:22] <Loetmichel> *update on my car: it developed another fault on the Breake test at mot/tuev: one brake fluid tube broke... I just got it back home, with the tuev test passed... and a new brake line... Cost: same 605 eur the Mechanic said yesterday... gave him 700, he didnt accept that, had to take one 50eur note back. :-)))
[18:04:38] <PetefromTn_> jeez man wish mechanics here were that good and honest
[18:05:14] <ssi> nice
[18:05:51] <ssi> this year when I got my annual done on the cherokee, I asked my IA how much I owed him. He said "I dunno, how much did we do last year?" I said "three hundred I think?" He says, "No, that's way too much. Give me two hundred"
[18:05:55] <ssi> wooo
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[18:09:31] <PetefromTn_> nice
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[18:10:00] <Loetmichel> ssi: wtih wasnt just Tuev/annual... it was 4 slightly used winter tyres, 2 new whisbones for the front axle, all new brake pads, exhaust rust holes welded, hole in the vaccum system found and mended AND tuev... and all for 605 eur... dirt cheap
[18:10:15] <Loetmichel> and he changed 5 light bulbs around the car that were dead ;-)
[18:10:40] <ssi> Loetmichel: this was annual on an aircraft, and it actually cost me quite a bit more but I did all the work myself :)
[18:10:45] <ssi> I just have a good IA
[18:10:54] <anonimasu> hmm, I hello
[18:10:58] <ssi> my very first annual on the cherokee, I took it to a scummy criminal of a mechanic
[18:11:01] <ssi> and he charged me $8800
[18:11:01] <anonimasu> mhm, I have a bit of a problem
[18:11:15] <anonimasu> where do I stick the aboslute data from my encoders?
[18:11:28] <anonimasu> if I want to use them for coordinate systen
[18:11:29] <anonimasu> if I want to use them for coordinate system
[18:12:09] <anonimasu> err sorry.. bit shitty keyboard.
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[18:24:53] <Loetmichel> ssi: cherokee was a jeep in my imagination ;-)
[18:25:00] <ssi> easy mistake to make :)
[18:25:28] <Loetmichel> but as i sais: the tuev fee alone are ~180 eur
[18:26:15] <Loetmichel> and the mechanic had to buy the brake pads and the whisbones...(and some bulbs and the brake hydraulic line)
[18:26:44] <Loetmichel> so i think i would have spent 1800-2000 eur for the whole package at the "official" opel garage
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[18:31:56] <PetefromTn_> Connor ya know man that is not a bad idea to MAKE a water trap really. A couple pipe caps, a length of large diameter tube and my 1/8 NPT tap and some glue and ot could be nice. Just wish I could do it with a see through tube I dunno
[18:33:48] <Connor> http://www.clearpvcpipe.com/
[18:34:21] <PetefromTn_> thats sweet but I am really looking for a Low cost local option so I can get these parts made soon..
[18:34:47] <Connor> yea. then normal pvc and just drain it before every use.
[18:35:13] <PetefromTn_> I did not try that other more O-ring type of gasket material it may just keep out the coolant with a good enough seal.
[18:35:26] <PetefromTn_> the bitch is ANY leak no matter how minute will suck up coolant
[18:35:40] <Connor> yup. You need a trap to be safe.
[18:35:53] <CaptHindsight> HF has those low cost see through filters with pipe threads on the inlet and outlet
[18:35:53] <PetefromTn_> and the way the machine floods these parts that is gonna happen about anywher around the part
[18:36:05] <CaptHindsight> they even have an easy to use drain
[18:36:06] <PetefromTn_> I considered a fuel filter
[18:36:29] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure if there is a LARGE fuel filter option that has two vertical ports
[18:36:53] <Rab> Seems like if coolant can get sucked in, so can metal particulates...possibly even worse for the pump.
[18:36:55] <PetefromTn_> instead of the more typical inline stype
[18:37:05] <PetefromTn_> sure
[18:37:11] <Rab> It might be worth it to have a filter after the water separator.
[18:37:18] <PetefromTn_> which is why a Filter/water trap would be good
[18:37:33] <PetefromTn_> I would prefer this pump to last me awhile LOL
[18:37:41] <Connor> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-standard-air-filter-68279.html
[18:38:27] <PetefromTn_> I suppose I should try using the rubber O-ring gasket here to see how it fares.
[18:38:39] <PetefromTn_> Amazing how hard the vacuum pulls the parts down really
[18:38:40] <pcw_home> dont want any debris either
[18:39:13] <PetefromTn_> I was surprised to watch it pull down so quickly like that and when I tried to physically push it off the fixture it was not happening
[18:40:01] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna wait to pick up the kids from school and then run into town to get the new Vacuum pump oil and see about some sort of off the shelf filter/seperator
[18:40:36] <Rab> Did you play with the vacuum pressure to find the threshold for reasonable hold-down force? Reducing the vacuum might result in less coolant contamination.
[18:40:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly I cannot yet.
[18:40:59] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a brand new vacuum gauge
[18:41:11] <PetefromTn_> but the seller on ebay sent me a freakin' check valve by mistake
[18:41:26] <PetefromTn_> and now I have to order another gauge from someone else
[18:41:44] <PetefromTn_> I was just doing a test run here of the system with the lines plumbed straight in.
[18:42:07] <PetefromTn_> so I really have no idea what the vacuum pressure actually was
[18:42:20] <Rab> Keep the check valve, maybe you can make a vacuum reservoir out of an air tank and reduce pump duty cycle.
[18:42:20] <PetefromTn_> whatever it is was quite sufficient tho LOL
[18:43:12] <pcw_home> is it water based coolant?
[18:43:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.kelvin.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/500026.jpg I have one of these up in the attic
[18:43:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is a solubile oil
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[18:43:34] <PetefromTn_> trim sol
[18:43:54] <pcw_home> so you wil get moisture in your pump :-(
[18:44:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah unless I fix the problem with a trap or something
[18:44:57] <PetefromTn_> I suppose I could machine the parts dry with compressed air but really wanted to make this system work as intended
[18:45:11] <PetefromTn_> that is one nice thing about the venturi pump I suppose
[18:45:21] <PetefromTn_> no worries about this
[18:45:33] <PetefromTn_> just loosing a little bit of coolant in the process
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[18:49:05] <Connor> Confirmed: FCC Will Try To Regulate Internet Under Title II
[18:49:53] <ssi> ugh
[18:51:01] <Connor> ssi: what's wrong with that ?
[18:51:22] <ssi> if you don't see anything wrong with it then I have zero interest in discussing it with you :)
[18:51:55] <Connor> I don't really like regulation. But.. I REALLY hate what the Cable and Phone company's are doing.
[18:53:49] <ssi> I'm not crazy about it either, but trading the option to deal with one company or another for the overwhelming burden of government regulation is incredibly foolish
[18:54:03] <ssi> the market was already providing a solution to comcast
[18:54:07] <ssi> so much for that
[18:54:57] <Connor> Okay.. So.. which one...
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602 http://www.grizzly.com/products/11-x-26-Bench-Lathe-w-Gearbox/G9972Z http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Variable-Speed-Lathe/G0752
[18:55:10] <ssi> what do you intend to do with it
[18:55:14] <ssi> keep it manual or convert it?
[18:55:29] <Connor> Manual for a long while.. then possibly CNC it.
[18:56:00] <Connor> The 60752 is the G0602 with VFD 1HP in it.
[18:56:09] <ssi> yeah I wouldn't do that at all
[18:56:17] <ssi> I'd get the 602 and get my own motor and vfd
[18:56:23] <ssi> it'll be cheaper and you'll be able to get nicer parts
[18:56:33] <Connor> The 69972Z is 11 x 26 vs 10 x 22
[18:56:42] <Connor> G9972Z
[18:57:00] <ssi> I dunno anything bout the 9972
[18:57:05] <ssi> looks pretty much the same as the 602
[18:57:27] <Connor> look a little closer at it.. back in a few
[18:57:29] <ssi> you just have to decide if the extra bed size is worth the money
[18:57:40] <ssi> or you could just buy my already converted 602 :)
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[18:59:34] <_methods> well if douche baghehe
[18:59:37] <_methods> oops
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[19:04:21] * zeeshan|2 is trying to talk to amc :/
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[19:05:06] <zeeshan|2> i talked to a local sales person for them
[19:05:09] <zeeshan|2> and this is what he said:
[19:05:21] <zeeshan|2> Is it possible when you powered the Z axis the motor dropped the load and there was energy driven back into the drive? Is the brake still engaged when you powered the Z axis drive? I can run the pictures by AMC to see if they can identify the damaged area as this might help diagnose the issue.
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[19:06:59] <zeeshan|2> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fd_1423052956
[19:07:01] <zeeshan|2> this made me laugh
[19:08:09] <pcw_home> paid by the hour?
[19:08:11] <MrSunshine> hmm .. think about it .. how much in our world and our technology wouldnt have been if someone didnt invent the lathe =)
[19:09:01] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:10:25] <zeeshan|2> the motor doesnt move at all visually
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[19:10:44] <zeeshan|2> when i remove power from the drive
[19:11:09] <zeeshan|2> the only thing i can think of
[19:11:18] <zeeshan|2> is there is no delay of brake re-engagement
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[19:11:42] <zeeshan|2> it instantly re-engages
[19:15:06] <PetefromTn_> for that money I would be looking for a used 12x36 like I used to have...
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[19:16:44] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the bicycle repairman sketch on Python
[19:17:01] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: he prolly doesnt have the space
[19:17:07] <PetefromTn_> Okay just drained the oil from the vacuum pump, er at least what I could get out of it. Lots of nice Green oil LOL
[19:17:24] <PetefromTn_> I put the remainder of the oil from the container that came with the lathe in it
[19:17:29] <PetefromTn_> and of course it is not enough
[19:17:34] <PetefromTn_> so Gotta go get some more oil
[19:18:01] <PetefromTn_> might just shake it around a bit and drain it again with the HF oil in it to clean as much of the coolant out as possible
[19:18:10] <PetefromTn_> then put the new oil in it
[19:18:21] <PetefromTn_> I blew the crap out of the lines to the fixture
[19:18:44] <PetefromTn_> made a nice showery waterfall in the machine for a second that was pretty
[19:19:14] <PetefromTn_> then I blew it out for another couple minutes and blew off the fixture some more
[19:19:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:19:44] <PetefromTn_> I removed the porous gaskets and installed some of the other type I got which feels like a soft O-ring material
[19:20:12] <PetefromTn_> and tried to make the cuts line up where the two ends meet as good as I can
[19:20:33] <PetefromTn_> gonna head into town to get the new oil and some kinda trap here in a few.
[19:20:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh well live and learn right
[19:21:28] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 ;)
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[19:32:50] <Jymmm> or run for politics
[19:34:00] <Jymmm> What is the smallest gas (propane or butane) continaer available that I can connect a line to?
[19:35:00] <Jymmm> I could use a bic lighter, but no idea on how to connect a line to it.
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[19:35:38] <Jymmm> and an electric valve of equiv size
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[19:36:30] <PetefromTn_> you tryin' to light a giant Spliff hehe
[19:37:04] <Jymmm> No, more like a portable bunsen burner sorta thing
[19:37:25] <Jymmm> electronically controlled
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[19:37:59] <Jymmm> It's a SFX thing
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[19:40:16] <_methods> you look at camping butane tanks?
[19:40:35] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Butane-Nozzle-Cans-To-Screw-Gas-Screw-Bottle-Stove-Adapter-Converter-For-Camping-/251291436175
[19:40:40] <Jymmm> _methods: example? link?
[19:40:45] <Jymmm> loking...
[19:41:01] <_methods> maybe not so good example one sec
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[19:41:11] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-G-Works-Butane-Adapter-Duralumin-40g-Convert-Cylinder-Type-To-Screw-Outdoor-/321643526953
[19:41:43] <Jymmm> Ah, I have sorta the first one, hang on...
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[19:42:05] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triangle-Three-Leg-Butane-Gas-Stove-Adaptor-Nozzle-Bottle-Screwgate-Transfer-/161041164332
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[19:42:15] <Jymmm> http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/user_uploads/1326809427_55315.jpg
[19:42:32] <_methods> yep
[19:42:34] <Jymmm> yep, that's what I have.
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[19:43:10] <Jymmm> I was hoping like a CO2 BB gun soze, but I think the 8oz can would be a simpler option, I'll just have to "up size a bit
[19:43:14] <_methods> ahh
[19:43:27] <_methods> well i think they sell like "pancake" butane cans
[19:43:28] <Jymmm> Ok, now, a valve?
[19:43:42] <Jymmm> Yeah they do, for $$$$
[19:43:50] <_methods> ahh
[19:43:56] <Jymmm> VERY expensice for the isobrutane
[19:44:23] <Jymmm> 4x 8oz cans = $5.
[19:44:45] <Jymmm> 1x 6oz isobritane pancake = $12
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[19:45:49] <_methods> i can't remember what i used to use in my whisperlite
[19:46:04] <_methods> liquid fuel
[19:50:14] <Jymmm> Well, 32oz of butane for $5 works for me
[19:50:56] <jdh> ssi: small stuff bends well with heat. fir this use just cut and use fittings
[19:51:13] <Jymmm> I just need an electric vavle now
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[19:53:32] <Rab> Jymmm, maybe you can refit a microtorch?
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[19:54:31] <Rab> Rat Shack used to sell a bi-fuel pocket torch which used cartridges, but they weren't cheap.
[19:54:53] <Jymmm> Rab: Ah, I remember those, yeah pricy.
[19:55:09] <Jymmm> I think the oz can will work KISS.
[19:55:15] <Jymmm> 8oz
[19:55:59] <Jymmm> This guy is nuts
http://youtu.be/kQb1NTi0Xg8
[19:57:32] <Jymmm> OHHHHHH, I think the surplus place has some. Made for air, but wouldn't butane be fine too?
[19:57:59] <Jymmm> like these
http://www.ascovalve.com/Applications/Products/MiniatureSolenoidValves.aspx
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[19:58:20] <Jymmm> with a 8 port block (I forget the real name of them)
[19:58:20] <Rab> This is me not offering an opinion for liability reasons.
[19:58:39] <Jymmm> lol, fuck liability
[19:59:08] <Jymmm> are there special valves for flammable gas over air?
[19:59:42] <Jymmm> leak test, blah blah blah
[20:01:17] <Rab> Most valves will tell you what they're rated for in the spec sheet.
[20:02:00] <Rab> This guy's video plays like he's dropping some prison knowledge.
[20:02:21] <Rab> "If you don't have a file, you can just rub it on some concrete."
[20:02:34] <Jymmm> lol
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[20:06:41] <Jymmm> Love his engines too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09R6teBOlco
[20:10:36] <Jymmm> _methods: I found my electric ignighter. And guess what???
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[20:13:47] <roycroft> what kind of electric igniter are you talking about?
[20:13:59] <roycroft> i'm looking for some right now and having a hard time finding what i want
[20:14:15] <Jymmm> roycroft: Heh, this kind...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCqxjRrFhmk
[20:14:21] <Jymmm> roycroft: AND
[20:14:46] <Jymmm> roycroft: I already have that exact PCB sitting on my desk =)
[20:14:51] <roycroft> that's probably not what i need
[20:15:04] <roycroft> i need to light some propane burners without bending down and sticking a long match near them
[20:15:25] <Jymmm> You can get a manual bbw one
[20:15:28] <Jymmm> bbq
[20:15:46] <roycroft> i've never been impressed with the reliability of the piezo units for barbeques
[20:15:54] <[cube]> could use a piece of nichrome wire
[20:16:09] <[cube]> hook it up to a wallwart
[20:16:12] <Jymmm> roycroft: theres one on my water heater
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/23/2380ac34-bb8f-4b25-a366-4d2d0881c567_400.jpg
[20:16:13] <roycroft> i've found some that are battery-operated, but usually they are "kits" with way more than i need
[20:16:34] <Jymmm> roycroft: for how much?
[20:16:48] <roycroft> $60-$100
[20:17:02] <roycroft> i've only started looking for one
[20:17:15] <[cube]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHpyNAYekg
[20:17:21] <Jymmm> [cube]: Ni-Chrome only gets around 2100F, I'd be relictant on igniting gas
[20:17:30] <roycroft> so i'm not discouraged yet, but when you mentioned one i thought i'd ask
[20:17:47] <Jymmm> roycroft: try a fly swatter, it does a nice arc
[20:18:21] <roycroft> bbiab - time to go to lunch
[20:20:04] <Jymmm> [cube]: I have around 50K feet of various Ni-Chrome. As you see in that video, it takes a few moments to get up to temp. I rather not have gas released that long unburned.
[20:20:46] <Jymmm> [cube]: GREAT for electric matches though =)
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[20:31:12] <Jymmm> [cube]: I've found that aromatic fuels do not like to ignite in colder (<60F) temperatures very well.
[20:31:30] <[cube]> hmm
[20:31:53] <[cube]> im planning to build a propane furnace in a couple weeks
[20:32:15] <Connor> a 12x36 is just too big.
[20:32:28] <Jymmm> [cube]: Take a bic lighter, put outside in <60F and hard tome lighting it. Toss in your pocket for 20 minutes, no problem.
[20:32:36] <[cube]> was goign to make the burner removeable
[20:32:39] <Connor> I like that the 12x36 has the power corssfeed.
[20:32:44] <[cube]> and just light it by hand
[20:32:53] <[cube]> then put it back in its hole
[20:33:02] <Jymmm> [cube]: Maybe one of these
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/23/2380ac34-bb8f-4b25-a366-4d2d0881c567_400.jpg
[20:33:17] <[cube]> remote igniter would be nice tho
[20:33:37] <[cube]> yeah i've got one of those lying around
[20:33:48] <[cube]> have you noticed how expensive those are new??
[20:33:48] <Jymmm> [cube]: $13 for the "universal one
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Brinkmann-Universal-Push-Button-Ignitor-812-7221-S/203016481
[20:33:49] <[cube]> like $20
[20:34:02] <[cube]> hmm
[20:34:09] <[cube]> I'm in canada
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[20:34:31] <Jymmm> [cube]: still beats a match
[20:34:40] <Jymmm> Try Canadian tire
[20:34:44] <[cube]> i like the big lighter idea
[20:34:47] <[cube]> just ripit apart
[20:34:57] <[cube]> use the internal piezo thing
[20:35:12] <Jymmm> Not piezo, high voltage
[20:35:23] <[cube]> ah
[20:35:25] <[cube]> Jymm... what do you think of this...
[20:35:35] <Jymmm> piezo uses quartz crystel
[20:35:45] <[cube]> I purchased some stainless temperature probes
[20:35:54] <[cube]> i beleive they're rated for 700 C
[20:35:57] <[cube]> K type i think
[20:36:09] <[cube]> im wondering if they'll hold up in in he furnace
[20:36:18] <[cube]> or if they'll get destroyed
[20:36:20] <mozmck> micges: in the manpage for hm2_eth it gives lines to put in the file /etc/iptables/rules.4 - should that be the only thing in the file or in addition to what is already there?
[20:36:30] <[cube]> they were so cheap i dont really care if i break one
[20:36:36] <Jymmm> [cube]: 1300F seems a bit low to me
[20:36:42] <[cube]> yeah
[20:36:51] <[cube]> definitely on the threshold
[20:36:57] <[cube]> would be nice to have a temp readout tho
[20:36:59] <[cube]> even if crude
[20:37:08] <Jymmm> [cube]: My cheap IR Gun reads that
[20:37:12] <Jymmm> and I love it
[20:37:19] <[cube]> yeah i've got one as well
[20:37:23] <[cube]> and a thermal cam
[20:37:33] <Jymmm> bastard
[20:37:38] <mozmck> micges: my rules.4 already had :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] and :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0], should those stay there?
[20:37:48] <Jymmm> I SO want a thermal cam
[20:37:59] <[cube]> not sure if you were here when discussing the other night
[20:38:08] <[cube]> its a cheap $200 phoen attachment
[20:38:11] <[cube]> but works great!
[20:38:16] <[cube]> android or iphone
[20:38:20] <[cube]> seek thermal
[20:38:20] <Jymmm> ???????????????????
[20:38:28] <[cube]> takes video too
[20:38:40] <Jymmm> link?
[20:38:45] <Jymmm> to device
[20:39:00] <[cube]> http://www.amazon.com/Seek-UW-AAA-Thermal-Imaging-Connector/dp/B00NYWAHHM
[20:39:05] <micges> mozmck: I 'think' it should be only rule
[20:40:13] <mozmck> micges: ok, thanks - I'll remove those two lines.
[20:40:23] <Connor> Interesting... The 11x26 G9972Z has a powerfeed lever... I don't see anything like that on the G0602.. just the halfnuts.
[20:40:28] <[cube]> btw Jymmm, here is the probe I got:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3M-Stainless-Steel-Thermocouple-K-type-Probe-Sensor-High-Temperature-/251505355433?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160
[20:40:49] <[cube]> i'm going to drilla hole and stick it right in the center of the forge
[20:40:54] <[cube]> and cross my fingers :P
[20:41:10] <[cube]> oh there we go
[20:41:18] <[cube]> Operating Temperature:-100 - 1250 degrees C
[20:41:28] <Jymmm> [cube]:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3M-Stainless-Steel-Thermocouple-K-type-100mm-Probe-Sensor-High-Temperature/111519913899?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620091118%26meid%3Dac085a9445df4b788f4de6c57ac1b0a1%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251505355433&rt=nc
[20:41:39] <[cube]> yeah same one
[20:41:42] <[cube]> I bought 2
[20:41:43] <Jymmm> [cube]: 1200C = 2200F
[20:41:54] <[cube]> yeah
[20:42:00] <Jymmm> not the same I don't think
[20:42:08] <[cube]> basically it stops working when it melts :P
[20:42:33] <Jymmm> lol
[20:42:36] <[cube]> i dont plan to go above 1000
[20:42:44] <[cube]> hottest I'll go is for melting copper
[20:42:46] <Jymmm> C or F ?
[20:42:49] <[cube]> C
[20:43:09] <Jymmm> But your furnace / crucible will
[20:43:10] <[cube]> i will have forced air though
[20:43:14] <[cube]> but on a regulator
[20:43:32] <[cube]> yeah, if it breaks no harm done
[20:43:37] <[cube]> few bucks
[20:44:10] <Jymmm> Yeah, but I'm saying to melt copper, yur furnace /crucible will get much hotter than the copper will.
[20:44:27] <[cube]> hmm yeah
[20:44:34] <[cube]> its mainly for aluminum
[20:44:44] <[cube]> and I'm building a massive steel crucible
[20:44:47] <Jymmm> and copper is a mther fucker to melt
[20:44:59] <[cube]> from a really thick piece of pipe that was used as a satellite dish stand
[20:45:27] <[cube]> yeah ther other day i was playing with mapp torch and melting copper wire in some fire bricks
[20:45:30] <[cube]> verry finnicky
[20:45:35] <[cube]> but i did get it to melt
[20:46:08] <[cube]> very inconsistent
[20:46:14] <Jymmm> I dont' play with MAPP much, Just have 100LBS of propane. Though I could to an oxy-propane I suppose
[20:46:40] <[cube]> yeah the furnace will be propane
[20:46:42] <Jymmm> burns very clean
[20:46:52] <[cube]> when i get good enough i'll build a second one out of bricks
[20:47:03] <Jymmm> =
[20:47:06] <[cube]> and use burn oil
[20:47:06] <Jymmm> =)
[20:47:08] <[cube]> for melting steel
[20:47:15] <Jymmm> Ewwww
[20:47:23] <[cube]> just for fun :P
[20:47:27] <[cube]> to see if i can do it
[20:47:32] <Jymmm> just the nastiness you'll have to breath in
[20:47:42] <[cube]> yea?
[20:47:48] <Jymmm> Have a P95 fill face repirator
[20:47:56] <[cube]> hmm k
[20:48:00] <Jymmm> P95, not N95
[20:48:18] <Jymmm> P95 will filter out areomatics
[20:48:26] <Jymmm> and solvents
[20:48:38] <Jymmm> and bleach (as I found out)
[20:48:49] <[cube]> yeah i'll do some research
[20:49:14] <Jymmm> HF sells a half mask, and it works great
[20:49:21] <Jymmm> but no HF up there
[20:49:32] <[cube]> i bought a nice alumized suit
[20:49:35] <[cube]> used from the UK
[20:49:48] <[cube]> *aluminized
[20:50:05] <Jymmm> Just make sure to protect the toes and shirt collar =)
[20:51:14] <[cube]> hehe
[20:51:50] <[cube]> i need to pick up some decent gloves/mitts
[20:52:02] <[cube]> this is the suit:
[20:52:03] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/nIPkm
[20:52:20] <[cube]> 80% asbestos!
[20:53:01] <Jymmm> Now you REALY need a respirator
[20:53:07] <[cube]> lol
[20:53:23] <Jymmm> I wouldn't he handle that, much less wear one w/o it
[20:53:45] <[cube]> really eh
[20:53:54] <Jymmm> fuck no.
[20:54:00] <Jymmm> AND
[20:54:14] <Jymmm> I'd wear a tyvek bunny suit before putting that on
[20:54:46] * Deejay had to google that
[20:54:55] <Jymmm> http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/450778/Tyvek-Bunny-Suit-X-Large/
[20:54:57] <[cube]> u sure it's dangerous?
[20:55:13] <Jymmm> [cube]: if you like cancer
[20:55:54] <[cube]> yikes
[20:55:54] <Jymmm> [cube]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma
[20:56:42] <Jymmm> Asbestose is a HazMat material
[20:56:46] <[cube]> it's in the shed right now
[20:57:04] <[cube]> funny, it shipped from the UK like in a terrible box all broken
[20:57:13] <[cube]> and the material was exposed
[20:57:15] <Jymmm> lovely
[20:57:23] <[cube]> went through customs without issue
[20:57:33] <[cube]> pretty sure they opened it up
[20:57:52] <tjb1> JT-Shop: you awake
[20:57:55] <Jymmm> I'm just syaing that if it tore/ripped, I woulnd't want the fibers on my clothes/body/ground/carpet/garage/ etc
[20:58:12] <[cube]> yeah
[20:58:15] <[cube]> i'll have to inspect it
[20:58:29] <Jymmm> Thus the disposable tyvek bunny suit
[20:58:48] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[20:58:56] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz1o87ru9cyhgwm/IO.PDF?dl=0
[20:59:01] <zeeshan|2> can anyone spot any mistakes?
[20:59:41] <Jymmm> [cube]: I'm all about fucking around with things, but asbetose and caustic chemicals are my hard limits.
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[21:00:03] <Jymmm> [cube]: I use sulfric acid because I have to, but that' sit.
[21:00:20] <[cube]> yeah, agreed
[21:00:30] <Jymmm> I dont even want to mess with lye. Well, I do, but I won't.
[21:01:09] <[cube]> ah well
[21:01:11] <Jymmm> I have more and more safety gear as I know/understnad more.
[21:01:16] <[cube]> worst case, i wasted $100
[21:01:57] <Jymmm> back belt, ear plugs, ear muffs, full face shield, thermal gloves, P95 respirator,
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[21:03:15] <Jymmm> [cube]: You might research what flam proof suits are made out of today and go frm there.
[21:04:03] <[cube]> yeah
[21:04:28] <[cube]> i think more modern suits these days are made from regular fabric with aluminum itegrated into the fibers
[21:05:37] <PetefromTn_> Well folks back from town with some more Vacuum pump oil and some STUFF!
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[21:08:09] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/PfvoHvw.jpg
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[21:14:45] <PetefromTn_> so far I got like $200.00 or so into this vacuum pump setup. Hopefully this will work and I don't need to dig any deeper into the wallet heh
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[21:19:10] <_methods> hehe you don't want this thing sucking up all your money?
[21:19:25] <Tom_itx> seems it has
[21:19:45] <PetefromTn_> well I would certainly prefer it didn't
[21:20:04] <PetefromTn_> I am still way ahead if I can get it working and make these parts
[21:20:23] * zeeshan|2 is in contact with amc
[21:20:33] <zeeshan|2> i really hope these guys can figure out why its happening!
[21:20:37] <Tom_itx> american motors corp?
[21:20:44] <Tom_itx> they went out of business...
[21:20:44] <zeeshan|2> advanced motion controls
[21:20:56] <Tom_itx> too many gremlins
[21:21:08] <_methods> well just so you know its always your fault and never theirs
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[21:23:33] <mozmck> PCW: I'm not sure I understand the bit files that are in the 7i92 download. I want 3 stepgens and the rest IO right now - what bit file should I use?
[21:23:59] <mozmck> I have my own breakout board....
[21:24:17] <Tom_L> make one?
[21:24:52] <zeeshan|2> _methods: who AMC?
[21:25:02] <zeeshan|2> i dont want to warranty the drives or anything
[21:25:03] <mozmck> I don't know what the difference is? Does the bit file determine which pins the stepgens can be on?
[21:25:05] <zeeshan|2> i just wanna figure out the problem
[21:25:13] <Tom_L> yes
[21:25:24] <Tom_L> but it also depends on your hardware
[21:25:47] <Tom_L> if you're using a daughter card you need to make sure the outs can be outs and the ins can be ins
[21:26:04] <mozmck> so how does that work then if you want 4 stepgens instead of 3 - do you need a different bit file?
[21:26:21] <Tom_L> make one with 4
[21:26:27] <mozmck> I'm not using any daughter cards, just my own breakout board.
[21:26:30] <Tom_L> unless the one you have already has 4
[21:26:51] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I would love a 12x36, but.. no room. this 11 x 26 looks interesting.. it has a separate power feed lever.. it doesn't use the half nuts... But, no power crossfeed.
[21:26:52] <Tom_L> that's the ethernet board right?
[21:26:57] <Tom_L> Connor
[21:27:04] <mozmck> So I can't set the IO directions in the hal file?
[21:27:14] <mozmck> yes, it's the ethernet board.
[21:27:15] <Tom_L> Connor, i'd like to see how you hooked up your spindle board
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[21:27:21] <PetefromTn_> I would be surprised if it was all that much smaller..
[21:27:26] <Tom_L> mozmck, you can
[21:27:29] <Tom_L> if it's GPIO
[21:28:12] <Connor> Tom_L I've since removed it because I went with a 7i76.. but.. I used a pport pin for the pwm, and a 2nd pin for fwd/rev relay
[21:28:13] <mozmck> ok, so the GPIO can be set in HAL, but stepgens and other things have to be changed in the bit file?
[21:28:32] <Tom_L> Connor, so it only used one relay for fwd/rev?
[21:28:39] <Connor> Yes.
[21:28:41] <Tom_L> SPDT>
[21:28:43] <Tom_L> ??
[21:28:52] <Connor> Correct. SPDT
[21:28:53] <Tom_L> how did they do that with a SPDT relay?
[21:29:00] <Tom_L> i'd like to see how it was wired
[21:29:11] <Connor> okay.. one sec.. this the C6 or C41 ?
[21:29:22] <Tom_L> c6 but i have all their docs
[21:29:33] <Tom_L> do you wire the motor directly to the relays?
[21:29:39] <Connor> NO
[21:29:43] <Tom_L> then what?
[21:30:04] <Tom_L> i didn't think so but i can't see how to reverse it any other way
[21:30:04] <Connor> It's strictly a switching relay.. My speed controller has a fwd/rev setup with it.
[21:30:11] <Tom_L> mine doesn't
[21:30:22] <Connor> AH. Then, you don't wire it up.
[21:30:30] <Tom_L> but i want reverse
[21:30:32] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I can't seem to get this filter housing unscrewed...
[21:30:32] <Connor> or you have to add some sort of extra stuff.
[21:30:44] <Tom_L> the relays won't take the current?
[21:30:49] <Tom_L> they say 10A
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[21:31:11] <Connor> I don't think so.. I think they're switching current only.
[21:31:22] <Connor> and mine on the DC side would pull 16 amps.
[21:31:44] <Tom_L> i'm not sure what this thing draws, i haven't checked it under stall
[21:31:57] <Connor> What sort of motor is it?
[21:32:02] <Tom_L> stock sherline
[21:32:06] <Tom_L> 90v dc
[21:33:02] <Tom_L> what driver did you end up using that has reverse?
[21:33:06] <Connor> http://www.kbelectronics.com/manuals/kbcc_manual.pdf
[21:33:11] <Connor> KBCC-125R
[21:33:31] <Tom_L> along with the C41 board?
[21:33:35] <Connor> Yup.
[21:33:50] <Tom_L> i got pwm working but haven't hooked it to the board yet
[21:33:56] <Tom_L> it looks pretty clean
[21:34:07] <Connor> C6 doesn't work on PWM
[21:34:08] <Tom_L> ~0 - 100% duty
[21:34:23] <Tom_L> it said it needed a 25khz pwm signal
[21:34:31] <Connor> the C6 ?
[21:34:34] <Tom_L> yes
[21:36:09] <Connor> It uses a STEP signal at 25hz
[21:36:13] <Connor> not a PWM signal
[21:36:21] <Tom_L> well i can use a stepgen then
[21:36:27] <Tom_L> i started with a pwmgen
[21:36:35] <Connor> Yea. I never could get it to work right.. I just got the C41
[21:36:39] <Tom_L> This card requires a 25 KHz input signal to deliver 10VDC.
[21:36:54] <Tom_L> i'm gonna try it with the pwmgen first
[21:36:59] <Connor> Yea.. for some reason, I never could get the 25Khz
[21:37:09] <Connor> My voltage ended up being like 7 or 8v max
[21:37:16] <Tom_L> i got it on my Logic Analizer last night
[21:37:29] <Connor> You using pport?
[21:37:31] <Tom_L> scaled from 0-5000 rpm
[21:37:32] <Tom_L> no
[21:37:35] <Tom_L> mesa 7i90
[21:37:36] <Connor> I was.
[21:37:42] <Connor> which was probably my issue.
[21:38:12] <Tom_L> i don't see how to get revese with this without using the relays though
[21:38:22] <Connor> You can't.
[21:38:32] <Connor> You would need a DPDT relay on the DC side.
[21:38:38] <Connor> or contactor.
[21:38:46] <Tom_L> those relays aren't big enough?
[21:39:01] <Connor> I really don't think so.. and they're only SPDT
[21:39:09] <Tom_L> i was gonna use em both
[21:39:13] <Connor> designed to use with a VFD
[21:39:15] <Tom_L> since theyre only SP
[21:39:40] <Tom_L> just hook em both to the same signal and reverse the contacts
[21:40:27] <Connor> Might check to make sure you can do that.. one of them (on the C41) is controlled by the signal too.. not just the input to the relay
[21:40:42] <Tom_L> as they switch, i'll be sending an inhibit signal to the drive to help with inrush and overcurrent
[21:41:03] <Tom_L> i got an xacto knife for that :D
[21:41:33] <Tom_L> controlled by which signal?
[21:41:47] <Connor> the pwm/step signal
[21:41:53] <Tom_L> hmm
[21:42:02] <Tom_L> what for?
[21:42:11] <Connor> let me re-read the docs on the C6
[21:42:54] <Connor> Relays.. : 15A@24VDC; 10A@28VDC
[21:42:56] <Tom_L> i can at least use it for speed control
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[21:43:14] <Tom_L> and find a bigger DPDT relay
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[21:44:31] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/
[21:44:36] <Tom_L> there's my drive manuals
[21:44:41] <Connor> C6 works a tad different than C41.. so the relays may be independent of control signal.
[21:44:42] <Tom_L> i think i have the KBIC
[21:44:52] <Tom_L> i'll check for sure
[21:44:59] <Tom_L> on the relays...
[21:45:06] <Connor> Yea. That's standard.. you can buy the reversing module for it.
[21:45:16] <Tom_L> for what?
[21:45:22] <Connor> for the KBIC
[21:45:28] <Tom_L> where?
[21:45:40] <Connor> http://www.kbelectronics.com/Variable_Speed_DC_Drives/DC_Drives_Chassis.html
[21:45:46] <Connor> I would check with them.
[21:46:06] <Connor> also.. I have one that I blew up the speed controller side on.. the reverse module might be okay.
[21:46:19] <Connor> but, I'm kinda saving that for the lathe.
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[21:50:12] <furrywolf_> yay. the weather forecast for tomorrow is 12" of rain.
[21:50:18] <Connor> PetefromTn_: The G4002 / G4003 are getting a bit more than what I'll be able to afford too.. trying to keep around $1500
[21:51:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah I was talking about buying a used one..
[21:51:37] <Connor> I've not found one.
[21:51:50] <furrywolf_> a foot of rain in a day is GREAT fun to work in.
[21:51:51] <Connor> I've been looking for sub 1.5k lathe..
[21:52:23] <Tom_L> Connor, do you know if those boards have a PN on the bottom side?
[21:52:31] <Tom_L> i don't wanna dig it out if it doesn't ...
[21:52:41] <Tom_L> the KBIC
[21:52:46] <Connor> I don't think so.
[21:52:56] <Tom_L> how can you tell which one it is?
[21:53:00] <Tom_L> just the board layout?
[21:53:08] <Connor> possibly.
[21:53:54] <Connor> Probably a KBIC-120 or KBIC-125
[21:54:05] <Tom_L> that would be my guess as well
[21:54:10] <Tom_L> probably the 120
[21:54:54] <Deejay> gn8
[21:55:02] <Tom_L> what's the difference between the KBIC and the KBCC?
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[21:55:21] <zeeshan|2> just run it in forward! :P
[21:55:41] <Tom_L> NO!
[21:56:08] <Connor> I think heat sink and bearer strip.
[21:56:21] <Tom_L> KBCC "R" series has reverse
[21:57:21] <Tom_L> haha they're doing what i was gonna do i bet
[21:57:33] <Tom_L> inhibit, switch the relay and enable
[21:57:58] <Tom_L> The APRM eliminates contact arcing by allowing armature switching to take place only when voltage levels are near zero.
[21:58:18] <Connor> The R has a breaking resistor too.
[21:58:25] <Tom_L> yeah
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[21:58:48] <ve7it> anybody know anything about logan lathes?
http://nanaimo.craigslist.ca/tls/4846036006.html
[21:59:18] * furrywolf_ tosses a load of laundry in the washerdryer, then goes to do outside stuff before the foot of rain hits
[22:07:06] <furrywolf_> got my $2 chinese stop switch... I wouldn't use it on anything bigger than my sherline.
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[22:14:15] <Tom_L> Connor, is this the one you got:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KB-DC-MOTOR-SPEED-CONTROL-16A-DC-24A-AC-120V-50-60HZ-KBCC-125R-/331045258668?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d13d5c5ac
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[22:35:03] <PetefromTn_> don't know much about them but that looks like a nice one for a decent price if everything works..
[22:38:31] <Jymmm> Just wind the rubberband less
[22:39:04] <Jymmm> Dont ya wish speed control was as easy as 50¢ dimmer
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[22:40:57] <furrywolf_> yay! new backlight inverter fixed laptop. now screen is full brightness, and no whistling noises.
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[22:48:26] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: im gonna eat your BRains!
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[22:52:06] <furrywolf_> ... yes?
[22:54:03] <furrywolf_> meh, the backlight is still a little dim... I suspect the ccfls just have too many hours on them. but they're much brighter than before with the whistling inverter that wouldn't go over half brightness. hopefully the inverter wasn't killed by the ccfls somehow.
[22:56:00] * furrywolf_ wonders when zeeshan became a zombie
[22:56:58] <furrywolf_> also, I'm not too sure about this whole 1920x1200 on a 15" lcd thing... seems way too many programs still use bitmap fonts. lol
[22:57:14] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf_: i did everything you said last night
[22:57:23] <zeeshan|2> all the power side stuff.
[22:57:23] <furrywolf_> and found absolutely nothing, right?
[22:57:27] <zeeshan|2> yep
[22:57:39] <zeeshan|2> control signals all ok
[22:57:43] <zeeshan|2> the only thing i couldnt check was the tachometer.
[22:57:49] <zeeshan|2> because the motor isn't running
[22:57:53] <zeeshan|2> its in locked position
[22:57:56] <zeeshan|2> its giving 0 v.
[22:58:01] <furrywolf_> as long as it wasn't reading power shorted to it from something else, that's fine.
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[22:59:08] <furrywolf_> I figured it was most likely you wouldn't find anything, but I couldn't think of anything else to try...
[22:59:31] <furrywolf_> you might have to contact the drive manufacturer and ask them why it's suiciding itself.
[22:59:50] <zeeshan|2> hehe
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[23:00:41] <zeeshan|2> i cant find my damn 110v indication light
[23:00:47] <zeeshan|2> i wanna see if it blows up
[23:00:51] <zeeshan|2> when i mimic the situation
[23:01:15] <furrywolf_> how much of their pcb do you want to reverse-engineer, and how many drives do you want to blow up watching various wires on the 'scope? :)
[23:02:15] <zeeshan|2> not anymore
[23:02:16] <zeeshan|2> :(
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[23:06:43] <furrywolf_> an oscilloscope is really useful for tracking down weird problems.
[23:10:27] <furrywolf_> your problem is just... weird. if the motor or other signals aren't shorted to power, it means the completely self-contained system of driver and motor is causing the driver to fry. but the motor probably isn't shorted, even intermittantly, as it's unlikely it'd work fine except during power cycling. so that would leave the driver... but you fried two...
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[23:11:03] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of taking one of my working drives
[23:11:08] <zeeshan|2> X or Y
[23:11:10] <zeeshan|2> and plugging it in
[23:11:12] <zeeshan|2> and see what happens
[23:11:13] <furrywolf_> there's no main disconnect contactor before the axis contactor, right?
[23:11:17] <zeeshan|2> maybe it was a bunch of cap failures in a row
[23:11:17] <Tom_itx> POOF!
[23:11:35] <zeeshan|2> no furry
[23:11:41] <zeeshan|2> just a disconnect switch for the entire machine
[23:12:12] <furrywolf_> you could have a shorted motor of some form, but only causing problems during power cycling seems unlikely.
[23:12:27] <furrywolf_> there's nothing stupid like a contactor that disconnects the motor when the brake is on, right?
[23:12:43] <zeeshan|2> no , motor is directly wired
[23:12:45] <_methods> http://io9.com/bewildering-star-trek-van-shows-spock-piggy-backing-on-1683842915
[23:12:48] <zeeshan|2> with no swtcihes or breaks in between
[23:14:38] <_methods> mind blown
[23:14:45] <furrywolf_> lol
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[23:22:00] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/uhfbI9Y.jpg well...it worked!
[23:22:39] <Rab> Nice!
[23:23:32] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/l153OAg.jpg pretty nice finish on the edges too..
[23:23:38] <PetefromTn_> Rab Thanks man
[23:23:45] <Tom_itx> that looks like an exhaust manifold plate
[23:24:07] <PetefromTn_> it is actually a cover for the LIM on that Mazda
[23:24:32] <PetefromTn_> I have been thinking about a way to quickly deburr these on both sides..
[23:24:43] <Tom_itx> vibratumbler
[23:24:47] <PetefromTn_> where I have worked locally they all have those nice baldor grinders
[23:24:56] <PetefromTn_> and they usually have those scotch brite wheels
[23:25:08] <PetefromTn_> but those freakin' wheels are stupid expensive
[23:25:16] <Tom_itx> manual labor
[23:25:18] <PetefromTn_> but they work awesome for this kind of thing
[23:25:24] <Tom_itx> hire yourself to work for free
[23:25:47] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking of trying to cut some green pads and gang them on the arbor of my bench grinder
[23:26:07] <PetefromTn_> but I need to be able to cut them nice and clean or dressing it will be a real bitch
[23:26:12] <Tom_itx> you can probably get them at a paint shop
[23:26:40] <PetefromTn_> these plates get brushed finish so I can afford some green pad running around the edge before I apply the brushed finish..
[23:26:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah you can buy them but they are like $100 a wheel!!
[23:27:19] <Tom_itx> we got our 15" buffing wheels out of NY somewhere
[23:27:22] <Tom_itx> i forget the co
[23:27:30] <PetefromTn_> I can just hand deburr them while the machine is running the next batch with my whirlygig
[23:27:31] <Tom_itx> haven't had to buy one in quite a while
[23:27:35] <PetefromTn_> but that is a pain in the ass..
[23:28:07] <Tom_itx> well it's either that or waste your time typing on irc
[23:28:07] <PetefromTn_> I don't like ass pains LOL
[23:29:58] * furrywolf_ doesn't either!
[23:30:02] <furrywolf_> which is why I go slow and use lots of lube.
[23:30:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah these turned out pretty good.
[23:30:10] <_methods> why don't you just cnc chamfer it?
[23:30:14] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf_ you are a sick man LOL
[23:30:30] <PetefromTn_> well I would but that still leaves the bottom edge
[23:30:56] <_methods> well at least you'd only have to do one side
[23:31:00] <PetefromTn_> and there is not enough money in each part to justify too much screwing around really I need to just get em done...
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[23:31:48] <_methods> cnc chamfer the good side
[23:31:49] <PetefromTn_> gotta make 50 in this batch which I know is nothing for a commercial shop but I need to get these hopefully all done by tomorrow or the next day.
[23:32:07] <_methods> hand chamfer the other side
[23:32:40] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that my vacuum trap kept the coolant out of the pump pretty awesome. There was like two tablespoons full inside the bottom of it. and I could not see ANY coolant going up the lines at all from the trap
[23:33:20] <PetefromTn_> the other issue is that champfering the 1/8 thick plate if it is not perfectly flat will show any imperfections in Z height pretty good I would imagine
[23:33:36] <PetefromTn_> just really need to deburr them somehow they are fine the way they are..
[23:33:37] <witnit_> if you jig your parts in a suspended fashion, you could maybe use the same program and run the cutter underside, without rechucking
[23:34:21] <PetefromTn_> already made the fixture vacuum hold down
[23:34:29] <PetefromTn_> and the parts suck down flat to the surface.
[23:34:45] <PetefromTn_> fixture is only 1/2 inch thick since the milling is pretty light on it.
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[23:38:42] <witnit_> just look at a small 1/8- 3/16 boring bar for lathe and grind a 45 on it
[23:39:45] * JT-Shop debates with himself on building another fire in the heater before going inside
[23:40:24] <furrywolf_> bbl, doing more pre-storm outside projects
[23:42:39] <LeelooMinai> How is the Z position corrected when a tool is changed? I saw a video yesterday and the guy seemed to just change the bits...
[23:43:23] <PetefromTn_> you have to touch off each tool before you run the program as long as you have repeatable tool holders.
[23:43:26] <witnit_> preset your tools in the holders and program the offset of your end distance
[23:44:29] <witnit_> if you tell it what tool you put in it, it knows how long the tool is, since you measured it when you set it in the holder.
[23:44:32] <LeelooMinai> witnit_: And that would be accurate/repeatable enough?
[23:44:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-SCOTCHBRITE-6X1-2X1-LIGHT-DEBURRING-WHEEL-7S-FINE-01662-NEW-UNUSED-/251783655254?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9f79af56
[23:44:48] <witnit_> granite plate and heighth gauge
[23:44:57] <LeelooMinai> It was the "Tormach guy" doing that
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[23:45:01] <JT-Shop> depends on if your tool holders are repeatable
[23:45:06] <witnit_> then transfer the reading to the controller and tweak as needed
[23:45:31] <LeelooMinai> Right, I guess one cannot do it with normal collects, right:)
[23:45:33] <JT-Shop> yea, I think the Tormach has some kind of collar thing to get repeatable
[23:45:45] <JT-Shop> R8 = No
[23:45:56] <PetefromTn_> you can if you setup a tool touch off plate
[23:46:18] <witnit_> you can make bushings for the tools and put the bushing in the collet
[23:46:38] <witnit_> the colar wil stop in the same place each time and get you close
[23:46:51] <witnit_> its not a tapered seat though
[23:47:06] <LeelooMinai> If one has "normal" ER11 spindle, are there any attachments for those, to improve them in some way?
[23:47:31] <JT-Shop> if you have R8 type of collets it makes more sense to just break up the program between tools
[23:48:35] <LeelooMinai> I have ER collets
[23:48:58] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop which reprap are you building?
[23:49:50] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, a conventional xyz design of which I've not got a firm idea of lol
[23:50:06] <Tom_itx> marlin firmware?
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[23:50:19] <JT-Shop> yea and cura
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[23:50:46] <Tom_itx> did you find a hot end yet?
[23:50:49] <JT-Shop> LeelooMinai, yea it makes sense to just break your G code up between tools
[23:50:57] <PCW> witnit_: in case you didnt see it
[23:50:58] <PCW> 7i92 ste/dir sample hal/ini file
[23:50:59] <JT-Shop> thinking of the J head Mk8
[23:51:00] <PCW> freeby.mesanet.com:7i92step.zip
[23:51:01] <Tom_itx> there's a nice stainless finned one out that seems real good
[23:51:10] <JT-Shop> got a link
[23:51:15] <witnit_> thanks!
[23:51:15] <Tom_itx> i foget what it's called but i can find out
[23:51:21] <_methods> e3d
[23:51:23] <JT-Shop> I have the Bulldog XL extruder
[23:51:28] <_methods> e3d hotend
[23:51:37] <LeelooMinai> If some bit is in the collet, how does one find the top of the piece to be milled?
[23:51:39] <witnit_> I was having troubles getting it to fire up without the steppers tho
[23:51:58] <JT-Shop> and the Ramps 1.4 Ultimate Power Kit
[23:51:59] <andypugh> The discussion Kirk has been having about centres of rotation just became relevant to me with the Autodesk HSM post-processors
[23:52:10] <LeelooMinai> Or usually it's just done from the bottom or something? Using this touch plate I presume?
[23:52:16] <witnit_> I was trying to free up the first few pins by setting traj 0 but it crashed with default bits
[23:52:23] <JT-Shop> LeelooMinai, I use a dowel to find material top
[23:52:45] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i'm told you might wanna swap the drivers for the TI part
[23:52:47] <LeelooMinai> Dowel in the collet?
[23:52:49] <Tom_itx> they're alot better
[23:53:00] <andypugh> It turns out that the default post for EMC2 assumes head rotation and not table rotation, so all my back-side features came out in negative Z.
[23:53:06] <PCW> its unlikely to have crashed you may have a syntax error
[23:53:14] <PetefromTn_> no I think he means a dowl on its side to touchoff the first tool to the workpiece surface
[23:53:23] <witnit_> oh, it was asking for wait on s.axis
[23:53:51] <PetefromTn_> what I am talking about is an automatic tool probing routine you can setup on the machine if you build or buy some sort of tool probe.
[23:54:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop,
http://shop.arcol.hu/
[23:54:03] <witnit_> I set num_encoders=0 and the default encoder switched back to gpio but stepgen did not work the same as i expected
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[23:54:23] <_methods> yeah those arcol's are good if they're ever in stock lol
[23:54:23] <andypugh> I “cleverly” did a search-and-replace for -Z and replaced with +Z. It machined great. But a mirror of what it should have been….
[23:54:34] <JT-Shop> LeelooMinai, I can't find the video
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[23:54:44] <witnit_> andypugh too funny
[23:54:50] <LeelooMinai> I saw the Tormach Guy using some Heimer thing - I guess it was just some kind of indicator put into the collet
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[23:54:53] <_methods> http://e3d-online.com/E3D-v6
[23:55:18] <PCW> The stepgen should work the same, num_stepgens=0 should disable all stepgens
[23:55:26] <JT-Shop> LeelooMinai,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmRUJk0ptN4
[23:55:39] <JT-Shop> same thing for a mill
[23:55:52] <witnit_> I will get the hal, ini and output during init
[23:56:08] <LeelooMinai> JT-Shop: Not sure if it would work for vertical X axis though:)
[23:56:13] <LeelooMinai> Z*
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[23:56:21] <JT-Shop> yea, same thing on a mill
[23:56:26] <andypugh> Anyway, I managed to sort out the postprocessor, and hopefully it will now run right through and make the part correctly.
[23:56:54] <JT-Shop> except you put the dowel on top of the material then back off until it goes under
[23:56:55] <LeelooMinai> JT-Shop: I would think you would need a lot of force to move spindle higher with a pin like that
[23:57:04] <LeelooMinai> A, ok
[23:57:48] <andypugh> Backing off is the key, you don’t want to trap a hardened dowel under a hardened tool.
[23:57:52] <LeelooMinai> Aren't there some, hmm, nicer way of doing that? Some kind of system where the bit touches a metal piece and it's detected?
[23:58:02] <andypugh> Yeah, they exist.
[23:58:16] <JT-Shop> that's the fastest and most accurate method I know of
[23:58:17] <andypugh> I measure my tools in a fixture on the mill bed.
[23:58:53] <LeelooMinai> I mean both the bits and materials are usually conductive - one could detect them being close.
[23:59:11] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, your saying I should not use Marlin on the Ramp 1.4?
[23:59:49] <andypugh> I have a tool height gauging and tightening station built into the mill table:
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