#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-02

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[00:00:34] <andypugh> You cpould start with an old Tektronix Phaser.
[00:00:54] <furrywolf> oh phoo, what do I do with a cup of pure blue?
[00:00:59] <CaptHindsight> yes those are now made by Xerox
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[00:01:38] <andypugh> I have a Phaser 7600, but unfortunately that is conventional toner.
[00:02:30] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had a Phaser I would take out ISIS with it...hehe
[00:02:34] <CaptHindsight> toner based also works, but it's more for solid models
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[00:03:47] <CaptHindsight> toner is very similar to powder coatings
[00:03:55] <PetefromTn_> what is a good quality lowish priced scale that can weigh smaller parts in the sub ten pound range?
[00:03:55] <andypugh> Hmm, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xerox-Phaser-8560-Solid-Ink-Colour-Printer-Spares-or-Repair-/251808550303 is rather close to me
[00:04:52] <CaptHindsight> yes, thats the style
[00:04:55] <furrywolf> powder coating... that's an interesting idea. what if you use a cathode ray gun to selectively charge parts of your workpiece, sprayed powder coating, flashed a very bright ir light, repeat?
[00:04:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, postage scale
[00:05:12] <CaptHindsight> the inkjet printhead heats the wax up to ~125C
[00:05:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah a postage scale would probably work but do you have a specific one that works well?
[00:05:50] <CaptHindsight> the viscosity of the wax drops to ~10cPs at that temp
[00:06:08] <roycroft> i don't know what kind of granularity you need, petefromtn_, but i have this as a backup for my main brewing scale:
[00:06:11] <roycroft> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JQTVLY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[00:06:16] <PetefromTn_> I get people all the time wanting me to let them know the actual weight of my rifle parts and I need to get something to do that reasonably accurately.
[00:06:38] <PetefromTn_> hey that is kinda nic
[00:06:39] <roycroft> i have a trade legal scale that's been calibrated recently, and the weights i get from the amazon one are spot on accurate
[00:06:40] <PetefromTn_> nice
[00:06:46] <CaptHindsight> 1 cP = 1 mPa·s = 0.001 Pa·s = 0.001 N·s·m-2 = 0.001 kg·m-1·s-1.
[00:06:51] <PetefromTn_> up to 75 lbs too
[00:07:24] <roycroft> and it's cheap!
[00:07:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah not bad
[00:07:43] <roycroft> the detachable front panel is a really nice feature
[00:07:52] <roycroft> if you ever want to weight a big box or something that makes it easy
[00:07:56] <roycroft> weigh
[00:08:13] <PetefromTn_> I have a small scale for weighing my air rifle pellets and smaller stuff but it is really weight limited
[00:08:13] <roycroft> my only complaint is that it turns itself off too quickly
[00:08:18] <roycroft> probably about 2 minutes of idle time
[00:08:24] <roycroft> which is occasionally a problem for me
[00:08:31] <furrywolf> I have a little ebay drug scale, a harbor freight 70lb postal scale, and a heavy steel 250lb scale that needs calibration. (previous owner fucked with it, I re-calibrated it using weight bench weights, because they're what I had handy... not accurate.)
[00:08:41] <roycroft> but i don't have an ac adapter for it - i wonder if it might stay on all the time if it detects the wall wart
[00:08:58] <roycroft> i use a triple beam balance for weighing hops and water additions
[00:09:15] <roycroft> but the bigger one is fine for grain
[00:09:18] <PetefromTn_> I would like a triple beam scale and ALMOST got a great deal on one locally on craigslist
[00:09:40] <roycroft> i buy grain in 20kg sacks
[00:09:49] <roycroft> so i need a scale that will handle that much at leaset
[00:10:11] <PetefromTn_> but the jackass never called me back after I made arrangements to meet with him the next day
[00:10:15] <furrywolf> there's tons of triple beam scales on craigslist here....
[00:10:30] <roycroft> my main scale has a granularity of 10g, which is fine for my grain
[00:11:13] <PetefromTn_> I don't get it man...
[00:11:16] <CaptHindsight> the walmart digital postal and kitchen scales are good to +/- 1g for $25
[00:11:24] <PetefromTn_> I started stripping these tins for the CNC lathe today
[00:11:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh nice I need to get one of those then... Never even looked at walmart
[00:11:48] <furrywolf> I had an analytical balance once, sold it on ebay. it used a large set of binary-ish weights, with little hangers that could lift them off the beam, and a cam mechanism. turn a knob and it lifts/drops the right combination of weighs on the beam.
[00:12:04] <PetefromTn_> anyways
[00:12:13] <PetefromTn_> I sprayed the stripper on the parts
[00:12:24] <PetefromTn_> and it came off real quick on the first two parts
[00:12:31] <roycroft> this is my main scale:
[00:12:34] <roycroft> http://www.pennscale.com/products/bench-scales/7300-series/
[00:12:37] <PetefromTn_> then I switched to another two
[00:12:43] <roycroft> i got a good deal on it
[00:12:50] <PetefromTn_> and sprayed the exact same stuff the exact same way on it
[00:13:01] <PetefromTn_> and it just gummed up on me and the paint is all slimy now.
[00:13:08] <PetefromTn_> really pissing me off...
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[00:14:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/American-Weigh-Scales-Inc.-Digital-Kitchen-Scale/21281915 $13.97
[00:14:27] <PetefromTn_> have you tried that one?
[00:15:26] <CaptHindsight> not that exact one but i go through them all the time in the lab
[00:16:00] <CaptHindsight> they all are good to 1 gram even the ones that claim 0.1g
[00:16:21] <PetefromTn_> oh so you mean they suck basically?
[00:16:49] <andypugh> Can _you_ tell the difference between 10g and 11g ?
[00:17:09] <CaptHindsight> if all you need is down to the nearest oz, they have all be fine so far
[00:17:21] <PetefromTn_> OK LOL
[00:18:03] <CaptHindsight> they all seem to be able to count bills
[00:18:18] <CaptHindsight> 1 USD is ~1gram
[00:18:48] <andypugh> And 100USD = 1g too
[00:19:15] <furrywolf> bah, I can't seem to find a photo of how the weight mechanism in my balance worked. it was very cute.
[00:19:16] <PetefromTn_> na uh
[00:19:22] <CaptHindsight> those britsh pounds must be a bitch to lug around :p
[00:19:23] <andypugh> It seems odd to me haw the US don’t distinguish denominaitons by size and colour
[00:19:42] <PetefromTn_> shit it's all green to us here man..
[00:19:52] <CaptHindsight> they have recently become more colorful
[00:20:41] <andypugh> Ah, I haven’t been for a while.
[00:21:04] <andypugh> Euros are a bit _too_ colourful. Brash and garish even: http://www.fleur-de-coin.com/images/eurocoins/banknotes/specifications.jpg
[00:21:11] <furrywolf> it was entirely mechanical, with a mechanical display on it, and knobs. it had binary-coded-decimal weights, and each display digit worked a cam that would add or remove the correct set of weights from the beam.
[00:22:49] <furrywolf> with an ungodly number of tiny moving parts. :)
[00:23:06] <cradek_> that sounds like a mechanical wonder
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[00:23:38] <cradek> oh look here I am for real
[00:24:09] <PetefromTn_> heh
[00:24:29] <PetefromTn_> I think you are a figment of andypugh's imagination actually....
[00:24:38] <cradek> that could be
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[00:25:29] <andypugh> furrywolf: It seems you can still buy them: http://meihuatrade.en.alibaba.com/product/60117816536-0/BM328A_Mechanical_Balance_with_Accuracy_of_0_1mg_and_Mechanical_Weighing_Loading_of_10mg_199_990g.html
[00:26:03] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy that just posted a nice set of Mitu digital depth mics on a local machinist trade forum
[00:26:18] <PetefromTn_> and the ad says they are .00005 mics
[00:26:37] <PetefromTn_> I am sure they are SUPER accurate units
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[00:27:23] <PetefromTn_> but I have read several times that even seasoned machinists struggle to repeat measurements beyond .0005 with depth mics and usually can only do quite a bit less than that
[00:27:39] <furrywolf> andy: this one was a little tabletop model, not a big rolling thing... one small pan inside a glass box to keep out dust, air movements, etc.
[00:27:58] <andypugh> Did you look at the link?
[00:28:22] <furrywolf> yes. it's a big rolling thing.
[00:28:34] <andypugh> I don’t think it is.
[00:28:43] <furrywolf> or is that not a pair of wheels under the middle of it?
[00:28:43] <furrywolf> lol
[00:28:55] <andypugh> Why would you have a big rolling thing for 200g?
[00:29:09] <andypugh> That’s the beam-release knob
[00:29:32] <furrywolf> ah
[00:30:11] <furrywolf> http://genchem.rutgers.edu/balmech.html there we go, the style of the top one on that page
[00:30:31] <furrywolf> 0.1mg sounds right too
[00:30:51] <roycroft> funny, someone just posted a couple mitu digital mics on my local cl with a resolution of 0.00005"
[00:30:55] <roycroft> not depth mics though
[00:31:18] <roycroft> $225 for the pair - 0-1" and 1-2"
[00:31:29] <PetefromTn_> thats a good price
[00:31:31] <furrywolf> only thing I have that precise is a mitu thickness guage.
[00:31:33] <roycroft> yes, it is
[00:31:51] <PetefromTn_> this guys asking almost $500.00
[00:31:59] <roycroft> if i did not already have mics in that range i'd think about it
[00:32:06] <furrywolf> with a big CALIBRATION FAILED sticker on the box. as far as I could tell, all that was wrong with it was it was a tad sticky, which a drop of light oil fixed.
[00:32:12] <roycroft> mine aren't nearly as good, but at least i have some
[00:32:21] <PetefromTn_> I wonder what the practical limit really is with a mic like that in terms of accuracy
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[00:33:16] <roycroft> well i know i can't make parts nearly that accurate
[00:33:21] <roycroft> so it doesn't matter
[00:33:29] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: http://www.lathes.co.uk/pratt%2Dwhitney%2Dprecision%2Dmeasuring%2Dmachines/
[00:35:06] <PetefromTn_> andypugh yeah I know they MAKE stuff like this but my question is what kind of real measurements can you expect, I mean it is a manually held tool and in that range any temp swings and it goes out the window I would think..
[00:35:11] <toastyde1th> usually mics that fail calibration and discarded are from some sort of wear on the anvels
[00:35:45] <toastyde1th> i.e. they'll still pass gage blocks, but when you clamp them to an optical flat you can see they're out a ton
[00:36:03] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, that's why the inspection lab is a temperature controlled room
[00:36:13] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I am suggesting that if .00001 needs a machine like that then a hand-held depth gauge won’t be 0.00005
[00:36:15] <PetefromTn_> sure
[00:36:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I am saying too
[00:37:01] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:37:15] <andypugh> Back tomorrow, somehow it got late here.
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[00:38:54] <CaptHindsight> http://icdn1.digitaltrends.com/image/coolbox_-970x646-c.jpg coolbox, supposedly the ultimate toolbox :)
[00:39:07] <CaptHindsight> ultimately overpriced
[00:39:54] <CaptHindsight> http://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/coolbox-2-1500x1000.jpg
[00:39:55] <PetefromTn_> looks like a plastic piece of shit with an ipad on it to me...
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[00:40:56] <CaptHindsight> this must be for the unknowing family members of the dad with a workshop
[00:41:16] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4873371177.html for you mini lathe guys...
[00:41:32] <_methods> oh it's a radio with a toolbox attached to it lol
[00:41:46] <PetefromTn_> who'd a thunk it?
[00:42:33] <anarchos2> hmm, is there any way i can tell at which line of g code was last executed? linuxcnc is throwing a weird "spindle stop can't be executed until machine is on and out of estop" error, then freezing for 10 seconds at the exact same spot, but then when it unfreezes i can't tell at which line it was doing
[00:42:53] <anarchos2> there should be no spindle off at all in my gcode because i don't have spindle control...
[00:43:24] <_methods> post your code maybe
[00:43:41] <anarchos2> it's 3000 line long..
[00:43:44] <anarchos2> :P
[00:43:55] <_methods> pastebin
[00:44:40] <hetii> Q: Is it worth to use such device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfoMObhZVY instead step motors?
[00:45:42] <anarchos2> http://pastebin.com/6kihzgQ1
[00:45:45] <pcw_home> if you want low force and high speed, sure
[00:46:12] <anarchos2> i'd say the error is happening about 1/9th of the way through
[00:46:57] <_methods> hmm
[00:47:27] <LeelooMinai> That looks like a speaker without the cone:)
[00:47:52] <_methods> no m codes out of place
[00:48:05] <hetii> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BrmIqD6XQw
[00:48:42] <hetii> I plan build small cnc to make a prototype PCB board
[00:48:47] <hetii> and wonder whats is possible
[00:48:55] <_methods> you are calling a g43 on t0 when t2 is loaded though
[00:49:16] <_methods> H0
[00:49:52] <_methods> not sure if you put a length offset in or what though
[00:50:37] <anarchos2> ok i think i found where it errors out, line 721..... i zoomed way in and can see that's where it paused at, i think
[00:53:03] <anarchos2> yes, definately (if the 3d display is to be trusted) it's happening on 721 or 722
[00:53:15] <_methods> i have no idea i don't see anything in your code around there that would cause that
[00:54:01] <anarchos2> yeah that's the weird thing, and LinuxCNC freezes for 10 seconds
[00:54:03] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BcfYsH4jyM Damn this is a nice machine retrofit
[00:55:16] <cradek> weird. do you have a m5 in the program?
[00:55:26] <cradek> what version of linuxcnc?
[00:55:31] <_methods> i couldn't find any errant m codes
[00:55:55] <PetefromTn_> the only M5 I saw was in the beginning
[00:55:58] <_methods> m3, m8, m9, m6
[00:56:15] <_methods> yeah one m5 at beginning
[00:56:31] <_methods> and m30 at the end
[00:56:51] <_methods> i was even looking for a pause in there
[00:57:04] <_methods> didn't see any of those either
[00:57:25] <_methods> could the buffer be overfilling ?
[00:57:47] <_methods> readahead?
[00:58:16] <cradek> what version of linuxcnc?
[00:58:44] <anarchos2> 2.6.5
[00:58:51] <anarchos2> gmoccapy
[00:59:07] <cradek> try to reproduce it running AXIS
[00:59:45] <_methods> ahhhh
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[00:59:52] <_methods> another gmoccapy
[01:01:39] <anarchos2> ten four
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[01:04:51] <pcw_home> Wonder if this is related to that weird GUI hang Skunkworks found
[01:05:40] <pcw_home> (also hangs for 10 or 20 seconds)
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[01:23:29] <anarchos2> just faced off another piece of scrap and will attempt with axis
[01:23:42] <roycroft> i think the ssr for the hlt heater circuit has failed
[01:23:43] <anarchos2> i like doing things in metal vs faking it, makes life more exciting ;P
[01:23:49] <roycroft> ack, mischan
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[01:34:46] <anarchos2> hrm, in axis it doesn't get past line 103 :(
[01:35:13] <anarchos2> this is a joint 0 limit switch error....which in no way is tripped
[01:36:21] <Tom_itx> is it wired backward?
[01:38:14] <anarchos2> not that i'm aware of, it all seems to work. i have home and limit switches, so in theory the limit switches shouldn't even be used (because if i'm homed then the table travel settings stop it before it hits the limit switch)
[01:38:20] <anarchos2> homeing works flawlessly
[01:39:03] <Tom_itx> debounce?
[01:39:17] <anarchos2> also if i intentionally don't home, then run my axis' into the limit switches, the correct errors seem to pop up
[01:39:34] <anarchos2> i don't even know what debounce is, to be honest
[01:39:50] <Tom_itx> i had to add debounce to mine for noisy switches
[01:40:24] <Tom_itx> watch those lines in halscope
[01:40:29] <anarchos2> seems weird it happen on the exact same line of code?
[01:40:34] <anarchos2> wouldn't it randomly happen?
[01:44:42] <Tom_itx> yeah probably but i can't think of anything else ....
[01:45:48] <_methods> me either
[01:46:02] <anarchos2> hmm, well i suppose it doesn't hurt to try and add debounce
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[02:02:21] <anarchos2> ok i think it may be signal noise. I got it to run further, but then i tripped out at the exact same spot but two passes lower
[02:02:23] <anarchos2> super weird.
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[02:03:35] <witnit> Probably a silly solution but I am trying to compile a copy of linuxcnc, I downloaded the usb install, downloaded the source with git, ./autogen ./configure and it saying libmodbus-dev is not installed. Why isnt there a list of prerequisites on the linuxcnc install?
[02:08:08] <witnit> I install one thing it asks for and then it asks for more after i try to reconfigure, is there a way to just install them all at once before i try to compile and realize its missing more components? answer is yes, but where do i find a list of needed files I dont think i know where to look. In the past i had built from scratch without error or needing to find each package. Is there a go to guide im overlooking?
[02:09:04] <cradek> you could try apt-get build-dep linuxcnc, which is the canonical way to install build dependencies
[02:09:23] <witnit> thank you
[02:09:35] <cradek> that works for any package, it is not linuxcnc specific
[02:10:27] <cradek> if you are not building the packaged version there might be minor differences (especially if you are trying to build a different branch)
[02:10:28] <witnit> Oh, i am not so aware of such things thank you :)
[02:10:34] <cradek> welcome
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[02:11:14] <cradek> also see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies
[02:12:05] <anarchos2> Think this will be suficient for debounce to work? added to my .hal file http://pastebin.com/WL2Eks21
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[02:28:17] <witnit> ahh yes, all those little things it needed when I tried ./configure. it seems like it would make so much more sense to just have an option to type "install from source". What i mean is, why type configure, autogen, build dependencies etc etc. when you obviously need these things or they wouldnt be called dependencies.
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[02:33:21] <anarchos2> if i have debounce.0.0.in showing correctly in hal scope when my home switch is tripped, shouldn't debounce.0.0.out also show true?
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[02:34:25] <cradek> anarchos2: maybe you didn't add it to a thread
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[02:34:44] <anarchos2> it seems like debounce.0.0.in isn't making it to axis.0.home-sw-in using this line....net x-filt debounce.0.0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
[02:34:58] <anarchos2> hmm
[02:36:48] <witnit> ohhhh i just had a great Idea, directly on your interface for linuxcnc it has an option from the debug crash screen or while your interface is running to automatically upload your ini and hal file to pastebin and provide you with a url to share in this room
[02:37:03] <anarchos2> cradek, addf debounce base-thread
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[02:37:53] <anarchos2> ah, debounce.0
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[03:12:36] <Computer_Barf> does linux cnc generate the g-code?
[03:12:42] <Computer_Barf> or do I need another program for that?
[03:15:26] <Computer_Barf> nevermind, just read that it does not. What do you guys use for CAM?
[03:15:31] <PetefromTn_> no it does not generally but there are some add ons that can help you create simple G-code programs for typical applications using conversational approach...
[03:16:40] <XXCoder> I do need some kind of cam software evenally
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[03:40:52] <Tom_itx> anarchos2, did that help?
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[03:49:02] <Sairon> hmm
[03:49:32] <Sairon> autodesk fusion 360
[03:49:34] <Sairon> has cam
[03:49:44] <Sairon> haven't yet tried it on linux
[03:49:53] <PetefromTn_> yup looks impressive too
[03:50:20] <Sairon> i got in on the early deal
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[03:50:35] <Sairon> where the 3d cam is the same price as 2.5D
[03:50:39] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, Yup!! http://imgur.com/q1hanD8
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[03:50:51] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, my first anything in aluminum
[03:50:52] <Sairon> they appear to be using. oh heck
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[03:51:07] <Sairon> some cam that was a plugin for solidworks
[03:51:13] <Sairon> that they bought a while back
[03:51:14] <anarchos2> i broke all my 1/8 bits so a lot of detail got lost :P
[03:51:40] <Sairon> HSMWorks
[03:51:54] <PetefromTn_> is it really... interesting
[03:51:56] <Tom_itx> wrong feeds n speeds probably
[03:52:06] <PetefromTn_> what did you pay for the 3d cam setup
[03:52:10] <Sairon> hmm
[03:52:17] <Sairon> i think $45 a month
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[03:52:24] <Sairon> i'd have to look at my receipts
[03:52:43] <PetefromTn_> ok
[03:52:48] <Sairon> i haven't honestly played with it much
[03:52:55] <Sairon> i used HSMWorks in Solidworks
[03:52:58] <Sairon> and really liked it
[03:53:01] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, yeah, definately. I accident tried to take 0.4 inch instead of 0.4mm :P
[03:53:15] <Sairon> I teach it for Inventor
[03:53:33] <Sairon> hmm
[03:53:42] <Sairon> website claims 2.5D is free
[03:54:02] <anarchos2> i use HSMExpress, it's pretty decent
[03:54:11] <PetefromTn_> I was under the impression it was all free for hobbyists and startups
[03:54:13] <Sairon> same thing
[03:54:21] <Sairon> could be
[03:54:29] <Sairon> i don't think the 3d / 5 axis stuff is
[03:54:57] <anarchos2> yeah, HSMExpress is limited to 2.5D
[03:56:10] <Sairon> oh heck
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[03:56:20] <Sairon> fusion 360 ultimate is like
[03:56:24] <Sairon> $150 a month now
[03:57:20] <Sairon> yeah, i'm paying $40
[03:57:27] <anarchos2> autodesk fusion has a linux port?
[03:57:58] <PetefromTn_> no way it would be worth $150 a month to me anyways that is unfortunate
[03:58:20] <Sairon> hmm
[03:58:29] <Sairon> well, the $150 is 3D
[03:58:45] <Sairon> and it's cad and cam
[03:59:23] <PetefromTn_> yup and it still would not be worth that much to me.
[03:59:27] <Sairon> oh snap
[03:59:40] <Sairon> they added branching and merging to PDM
[03:59:48] <PetefromTn_> $1800 a year is a bit much
[03:59:58] <Sairon> depends on what you need
[04:00:12] <Sairon> $40 a month gets you cad and 2.5D cam
[04:00:52] <Sairon> it's a good deal for me, because i do design work
[04:00:56] <Sairon> and i machine stuff
[04:01:03] <PetefromTn_> so do I
[04:01:16] <Sairon> solidworks licenses aren't cheap
[04:01:24] <PetefromTn_> you can say that again
[04:01:53] <Sairon> i see it as
[04:01:59] <Sairon> i get both for a decent price
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[04:02:28] <Sairon> and i don't have to pay up front
[04:02:34] <PetefromTn_> if you are getting the 3d option and CAD and CAM for that $40 a month it is a good deal
[04:02:47] <Sairon> yeah, i am now, because i was an early user
[04:02:48] <PetefromTn_> if you are only getting 2.5D I dunno
[04:02:55] <Sairon> they cut that off in dec.
[04:03:07] <Sairon> hmm, fair argument
[04:03:10] <PetefromTn_> I wonder how much they will continue to hike the prices
[04:03:14] <Sairon> since they give the 2.5 away for free
[04:03:19] <Sairon> that was my thinking
[04:03:25] <Sairon> lock it in while it's cheap
[04:03:45] <PetefromTn_> hopefully you did indeed LOCK it in and they will continue to honor that price for the duration...
[04:03:54] <Sairon> right
[04:04:00] <Sairon> if not, eh, f' em
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[04:19:09] <Sairon> https://www.plethora.com/
[04:20:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this is why people have dedicated computers w/ cad
[04:20:14] <zeeshan|2> and no internet access
[04:20:19] <zeeshan|2> cause they download it illegally!
[04:20:22] <zeeshan|2> when they get rich they buy it
[04:20:37] <Sairon> eh?
[04:21:02] <zeeshan|2> and i think if you take a college course on cad/cam
[04:21:07] <zeeshan|2> prolly pay 300 bux for the course
[04:21:16] <zeeshan|2> you can get inventor for like 4 years
[04:23:03] <zeeshan|2> http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/students-university/popular
[04:23:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, that board says 24v max input
[04:23:16] <zeeshan|2> which board
[04:23:17] <zeeshan|2> u got it?
[04:23:18] <Tom_itx> you think i could get away with 24v input?
[04:23:20] <Tom_itx> no not yet
[04:23:28] <Tom_itx> or should i regulate it down a bit
[04:23:43] <Tom_itx> it's 24v unregulated
[04:23:54] <zeeshan|2> youre gonna blow it up
[04:23:57] <zeeshan|2> with unregulated
[04:24:07] <zeeshan|2> where are you reading 24vdc?
[04:24:08] <Tom_itx> i'll find a small 78xx then
[04:24:09] <zeeshan|2> i read 12vdc
[04:24:16] <Tom_itx> look at the board
[04:24:24] <zeeshan|2> o i see it now
[04:24:30] <Tom_itx> other pc is off right now but it's there
[04:24:34] <zeeshan|2> WARNING: Check the polarity and voltage of the external power source and connect the 12V or 15 - 24V, and GND.
[04:24:51] <Tom_itx> so what do you think?
[04:25:16] <Tom_itx> i may have a 7812 or something around here i could use
[04:26:03] <Tom_itx> i wonder what that feeds into on the board
[04:26:43] <zeeshan|2> i think it sbest to check the chip specs on there
[04:26:55] <zeeshan|2> they way theyve written it
[04:26:58] <zeeshan|2> 24vdc max
[04:27:06] <zeeshan|2> so 24.5 v will fry it
[04:27:22] <Tom_itx> i can find something less than 24 and regulate it
[04:27:37] <Tom_itx> shouldn't take much current
[04:27:39] <zeeshan|2> dont wanna use your comp 12v supply?
[04:27:52] <Tom_itx> pc isn't hooked to it in the control
[04:27:56] <zeeshan|2> ah
[04:27:58] <Tom_itx> i was gonna use the control supply
[04:28:08] <Tom_itx> which is 48 or 24 or 5
[04:28:18] <Tom_itx> i can add a 12 or 18v i suppose
[04:28:43] <Tom_itx> i didn't look at the board current draw
[04:28:49] <zeeshan|2> they have
[04:28:57] <Tom_itx> i have smps that i can regulate to that too
[04:28:59] <zeeshan|2> lm2907nat the entrance i think
[04:29:02] <zeeshan|2> and a 1n4004
[04:29:03] <Tom_itx> they're adjustable
[04:29:12] <Tom_itx> i'll probably do that
[04:29:23] <Tom_itx> add another smps and regulate it to 12 or 18 or so
[04:29:41] <zeeshan|2> 4007 good to 700v
[04:29:43] <zeeshan|2> er
[04:29:47] <zeeshan|2> 4004 good to 280v
[04:30:13] <Tom_itx> what's the lm2907?
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[04:30:21] <zeeshan|2> 2907 good to +28v
[04:30:33] <zeeshan|2> says frequency to voltage converter
[04:30:38] <Tom_itx> linear regulator?
[04:30:57] <Tom_itx> that would be for the output
[04:31:02] <Tom_itx> for the 10v
[04:31:22] <witnit> a laptop charger is a simple source for regulated supply right?
[04:31:44] <Tom_itx> i have plenty of smps regulators
[04:31:44] <zeeshan|2> 74hc14 looks like control signal side ic.
[04:31:49] <zeeshan|2> +7v max
[04:31:57] <Tom_itx> that's after it's regulated then
[04:32:00] <Tom_itx> on board
[04:32:01] <zeeshan|2> yes
[04:32:13] <Tom_itx> i'll look it over but probably add another smps
[04:32:26] <Tom_itx> are the relays 12v?
[04:33:10] <zeeshan|2> yrd
[04:33:11] <zeeshan|2> yes
[04:33:14] <zeeshan|2> i remember reading 12vdc on em
[04:33:28] <Tom_itx> i wonder if they're regulated onboard
[04:33:35] <zeeshan|2> screw this diagram
[04:33:37] <zeeshan|2> i finally found it
[04:34:02] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15732357843/
[04:34:03] <zeeshan|2> yea 12vdc
[04:34:10] <zeeshan|2> i barely read that
[04:34:12] <zeeshan|2> lm7805
[04:34:26] <zeeshan|2> so thats the 5v reg
[04:34:39] <zeeshan|2> input voltage max 35vdc
[04:34:49] <zeeshan|2> wait
[04:34:49] <Tom_itx> yeah but it'll get hot
[04:34:50] <zeeshan|2> i take that back
[04:35:03] <Tom_itx> lower you can keep that input the better for heat
[04:35:04] <zeeshan|2> 7-25V max
[04:35:07] <Tom_itx> on a linear reg
[04:35:09] <zeeshan|2> yea
[04:35:27] <zeeshan|2> well at least that answers
[04:35:34] <zeeshan|2> if 24.5vdc will blow it up
[04:35:54] <Tom_itx> yeah but mine is unregulated so i better add something there
[04:36:01] <furrywolf> 7805s are good to more than 24v. however, you may have 25v capacitors.
[04:36:21] <zeeshan|2> theres another regulator on there
[04:36:23] <zeeshan|2> that i can read
[04:36:25] <zeeshan|2> *cant
[04:36:52] <Tom_itx> what day did you send that?
[04:36:58] <zeeshan|2> monday
[04:37:01] <Tom_itx> i got my china junk yesterday
[04:37:07] <Tom_itx> so it'll be here soon
[04:37:16] <zeeshan|2> yes
[04:37:26] <witnit> wow zeesh that build looks great good looking enclosure
[04:37:37] <witnit> you wire that?
[04:38:05] <zeeshan|2> whatcha looking at
[04:38:21] <witnit> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15571410083/in/photostream/
[04:38:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
[04:38:25] <witnit> that machine
[04:38:28] <zeeshan|2> yes witnit
[04:38:30] <zeeshan|2> thanks man
[04:38:42] <Tom_itx> i redid all that... added din rails and moved stuff around some
[04:39:12] <zeeshan|2> you have so many mesa cards!
[04:39:29] <zeeshan|2> witnit: i have ocd
[04:39:35] <Tom_itx> i got 2 more i could stuff in there
[04:39:35] <zeeshan|2> im wiring up some stuff at my dads dental practice
[04:39:37] <witnit> din rails are great, they change EVERYTHING
[04:39:38] <zeeshan|2> its driving me insane
[04:39:40] <zeeshan|2> wires are EVERYWHERE
[04:39:43] <Tom_itx> the one on the right isn't there now
[04:39:46] <zeeshan|2> need zip ties!
[04:39:46] <Tom_itx> i replaced it
[04:40:02] <witnit> im always scared of putting my mesa cards in the same area as my capacitors and HV
[04:40:20] <zeeshan|2> well if it was industrial
[04:40:28] <zeeshan|2> that would be pretty illegal
[04:40:29] <zeeshan|2> :P
[04:40:42] <zeeshan|2> it's not against nec
[04:40:47] <zeeshan|2> since nec doesnt go inside a controller
[04:41:02] <furrywolf> nothing in a typical mill counts as HV.
[04:41:03] <zeeshan|2> but i know there is a csa article which strictly specifies that hv stuff in a controller
[04:41:19] <witnit> I put my pc in one box, my mesa in another and my HV in a third when possible
[04:41:20] <zeeshan|2> must have have its own seperate cover
[04:41:37] <witnit> then its all module based and I hook things together with rj45
[04:41:54] <zeeshan|2> shielded rj45?
[04:42:05] <XXCoder> interesting http://hackaday.com/2015/02/01/spline-thieving-makes-hobby-servos-even-more-useful/
[04:42:10] <furrywolf> IEC counts everything under 1000V as low voltage. :P
[04:42:12] <witnit> yeah? haha i dunno
[04:42:22] <zeeshan|2> youd knoiw!
[04:42:28] <zeeshan|2> shielded rj45 has a metal case around it
[04:42:31] <zeeshan|2> @ the connector
[04:42:55] <witnit> it its encoders and signal for amps i use shielded but i dont use it on the limit switches and things
[04:42:57] <witnit> buttons
[04:43:17] <zeeshan|2> yea all my limit s/w stuff is unshielded
[04:43:18] <zeeshan|2> 24vdc wire
[04:43:19] <witnit> is that bad?
[04:43:34] <zeeshan|2> i honestly have never encountered a safety switch that was shielded
[04:43:39] <zeeshan|2> and 24vdc
[04:43:43] <witnit> oh okay hahaha i try not to use solid rj45 either, I feel like it would break after time due to vibration
[04:44:02] <furrywolf> ... amazing, I had absolutely no idea that you could measure a shaft then cut something to match it! I thought that was impossible! ...
[04:44:28] <furrywolf> seriously, the idea that you can machine a part to match an existing part is surprising?
[04:44:34] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: you know your ltitle power supplies?
[04:44:39] <zeeshan|2> is that considered a smps?
[04:44:43] <witnit> some people dont know to use cooking spray on snow shovels to ease the job of moving snow either :)
[04:44:52] <zeeshan|2> or a buck converter
[04:45:06] <furrywolf> witnit: I've never had problems with snow sticking to the shovel.
[04:45:19] <furrywolf> a buck converter is a form of smps.
[04:45:40] <witnit> hooray compile is done!
[04:45:45] <witnit> such a long time to do that
[04:46:22] <zeeshan|2> by smps i mean ac to dc
[04:46:32] <zeeshan|2> by buck converter i guess i mean dc to dc
[04:46:44] <zeeshan|2> i dont know their inner workings :P
[04:46:50] <furrywolf> ac to dc is done with a variety of other topologies.
[04:46:58] <zeeshan|2> i know that.
[04:47:00] <zeeshan|2> :P
[04:47:03] <furrywolf> smps just means a power supply that uses switching, not a specific topology.
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[04:48:36] <furrywolf> buck is a smps, boost is a smps, cuk is a smps, flyback is a smps, sepic is a smps, forward is a smps, etc. :P
[04:48:55] * furrywolf got some cute chinese sepic converters somewhere...
[04:49:54] <zeeshan|2> speaking of smps
[04:50:06] <zeeshan|2> i have a 240/120vac power adapter
[04:50:09] <zeeshan|2> 50/60hz
[04:50:15] <zeeshan|2> i wanna power it up using 240v
[04:50:25] <zeeshan|2> are they expecting L1 to be 240v and N?
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[04:50:33] <zeeshan|2> or can i use it on L1 - 120 L2 120
[04:50:53] <furrywolf> unless it's horribly misdesigned, it won't know the difference.
[04:51:11] <zeeshan|2> https://www.euronetwork.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/a/mainslead-c5-stripped-end.jpg
[04:51:17] <zeeshan|2> must find this connector to
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[04:51:39] <furrywolf> that's a standard mickey mouse cord
[04:51:49] <zeeshan|2> http://www.electrical-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NEMA-6-15R-Plug.jpg
[04:51:54] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of just chopping the cord
[04:51:57] <zeeshan|2> and wiring this in
[04:52:01] <XXCoder> furrywolf: just was new idea to me. and that it was interesting
[04:53:55] * furrywolf bets they have an official name and iec number, but mickey mouse cord is what everyone else calls them. :P
[04:54:26] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:54:30] <zeeshan|2> yea its a iec c5/c6
[04:54:33] <zeeshan|2> depending on female/male
[04:56:02] <furrywolf> "iec c5" is 98,500 results. "mickey mouse cord" is 417,000.... :P
[04:56:17] <XXCoder> what a surpise lol
[04:56:26] <XXCoder> wonder if google fight still exist
[04:56:39] <XXCoder> it does. http://www.googlefight.com/'
[04:56:42] <XXCoder> it does. http://www.googlefight.com/
[04:57:27] <XXCoder> furrywolf wins, at 539 results. mine has 103
[04:57:40] <furrywolf> ... why the fuck does it need a plugin to work now?
[04:57:50] <XXCoder> however if I use orginial nick..
[04:57:54] XXCoder is now known as XX
[04:58:05] <XX> its animated
[04:58:18] <XX> 62.8 million to 539 :P
[04:58:20] XX is now known as XXCoder
[04:58:43] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:58:55] <zeeshan|2> last 20 fights: furrywolf vs xxcoder
[04:58:56] <XXCoder> havent used xx for so long
[04:58:58] <furrywolf> let's find a way to use flash for something utterly unneeded!
[04:59:11] <XXCoder> its OLD site
[04:59:25] <XXCoder> it havent changed since I last saw few years ago
[04:59:37] <zeeshan|2> furry why are you bitter
[04:59:42] <zeeshan|2> so much
[04:59:46] <furrywolf> lol
[04:59:49] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:59:55] <XXCoder> fleas in fur ;)
[04:59:55] <zeeshan|2> ol grumpy
[04:59:59] <furrywolf> because the world is full of stupid people.
[05:00:09] <XXCoder> fur probably is itchy too lol
[05:00:11] <furrywolf> and if I kill all of them, everyone will think _I'm_ the problem.
[05:00:22] <XXCoder> murder is overrated
[05:00:53] <zeeshan|2> there are a lot of stupid people
[05:01:05] <zeeshan|2> but you gotta not let them get to you :P
[05:01:06] <XXCoder> joke vs serious: 57.9k for serious, joke 21.1
[05:01:10] <zeeshan|2> try to find good!
[05:01:11] <XXCoder> 21.1k
[05:01:15] <XXCoder> errrr I mean m not k
[05:01:26] <XXCoder> for both
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[05:02:09] <furrywolf> the lack of time, money, space, energy, and a mature, intelligent, sane, practical, good with a strapon woman doesn't help either.
[05:02:23] <XXCoder> oh wow a new inkscape. beem a nit
[05:02:25] <XXCoder> *bit
[05:03:16] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: youre right. good vs bad: 485m good to 196m bad
[05:03:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[05:09:40] <Aero-Tec> any one here good with threading Gcode?
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[05:10:14] <zeeshan|2> g3333333333333333
[05:10:29] <XXCoder> meaning thread on bolts or in holes?
[05:10:40] <Aero-Tec> both
[05:10:47] <Aero-Tec> have hole to start with
[05:11:08] <XXCoder> only know gcode basics, zee might be able to help
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[05:11:48] <Aero-Tec> there was something about doing tapper threads that one had to do something extra for or something
[05:12:17] <Aero-Tec> was that fixed or changed at all?
[05:12:28] <Aero-Tec> or does it even need fixing?
[05:26:16] <witnit> I just compiled and started 2.8 but i dont see hm2_eth in /rtlib, am I supposed to compile something entirely different?
[05:28:05] <XXCoder> hmm
[05:28:06] <XXCoder> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[05:28:16] <XXCoder> wonder if its powrrful enough to run a small router now
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[05:33:16] <Aero-Tec> found the info about threading
[05:33:35] <furrywolf> is there a realtime kernel for it?
[05:34:32] <Aero-Tec> does G76 work?
[05:34:36] <XXCoder> a sec
[05:34:47] <Aero-Tec> would it be better then G33?
[05:35:19] <XXCoder> http://www.emlid.com/raspberry-pi-real-time-kernel/ apparently
[05:35:30] <XXCoder> there si others that state gonna compile kernel
[05:36:02] <XXCoder> site I linked to has realtime os image
[05:40:38] <witnit> oooh I think i found what i needed PCW answered this back in sept of 2014
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[06:23:37] <zeeshan|2> im confused on how to do this
[06:23:46] <zeeshan|2> i noticed a big problem
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[06:24:14] <zeeshan|2> if g-code is running , and linuxcnc keeps running the code
[06:24:18] <zeeshan|2> even though the spindle isn't spinning
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[06:24:55] <zeeshan|2> like it thinks the spindle is spinning, when it's physically not
[06:25:19] <zeeshan|2> i want to make a loop or something that checks vfd.outfrequency pin (which monitors the vfd output frequency)
[06:25:54] <zeeshan|2> and if it's less than a certain threshold, maybe 0.8Hz , linuxcnc should go in e-stop mode -- any clues on how to implement?
[06:26:21] <zeeshan|2> a monitor on the spindle velocity would also work..
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[06:47:23] <bobo_> does this mean Spindle has no feed back error as other axis have ? could one add another axis that is the spindle ?
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[07:21:56] <Tecan> anyone with 3d printers should give the new blender a try
[07:22:25] <Tecan> grease pencil has a ruler+protractor, and a 3d print toolbox addon that comes stock with it
[07:28:12] <LeelooMinai> 3D blobber
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[07:58:38] <Deejay> moin
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[09:01:42] <witnit> im not sure what all im doing right and what im doing wrong but it sure is neat to watch the lights on this 7i92 blink when i ping it, feels like progress somehow
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[09:04:29] <witnit> ooooh if you do a "ping -i .2 192.168.1.121" it goes fast :)
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[11:10:25] <witnit> hm2_eth: discovered 7I92
[11:10:49] <witnit> Im very happy right :) I thought this would take me alot longer to get working
[11:11:20] <witnit> right now* =D
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[11:22:28] <witnit> pcw_home thank you again, these cards are too awesome
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[12:13:27] <witnit__> it amazes me, i have been able to install every mesa card i have gotten, made sense of encoders, servos, gcode, bash, php, mysql, compiling, iptables, flashing bit files, countless items, and i still cant get this ..... label printer installed
[12:14:47] <witnit__> i dont even need it to install on linux anymore I ended up installing it in windows on virtualbox in linux and shared, but still It bothers me greatly i cant get it to work natively in linux
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[12:22:37] <_methods> hahahah
[12:22:41] <_methods> i hate printers
[12:22:43] <_methods> period
[12:22:57] <_methods> printers give me more nightmares than any tech device ever made
[12:28:30] <witnit__> its an intermec network printer :( everytime i send a job to it with linux it either dies or spits out hundreds of labels so frustrating
[12:30:22] <jack16> Can I set acceleration on per-move basis in gcode?
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[12:31:47] <_methods> hmm i'm not sure
[12:32:00] <witnit__> maybe you could set an mcode to run a halcmd?
[12:37:05] <witnit__> jack16 servo system or stepper?
[12:37:51] <jack16> stepper with software generation
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[12:44:19] <witnit__> I wonder if you could do something like setp stepgen.0.position-scale 10000 then make a move and do that again but with variable 5000
[12:44:33] <witnit__> and see then back again, does that work?
[12:48:56] <witnit__> It would make alot of sense to be able to adjust something like that on the fly with some outside variable, like a robot that had to pick and place items, it could adjust its velocity based on a weight of picked item
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[13:05:58] <_methods> well i'm pretty sure cradek would be the one to talk to about on that
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[13:12:48] <witnit__> oh yes, haah dont ever try anything i suggest on real hardware hahaha
[13:25:16] <jack16> I do not think you can touch hal unless program is paused
[13:26:10] <jack16> because gcode component is not synchronized with hal
[13:29:12] <witnit__> well, if that were true would it make a difference considering you are swapping velocity BETWEEN /per-move basis?
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[13:43:07] <jack16> " The variables are read during read-ahead and should not be used for run time evaluation of current position or other execution time variables."
[13:43:26] <jack16> hal variables from gcode
[13:46:12] <jack16> the only possible way can be from python remapping and emctask module
[13:51:23] <jack16> and I think it will be effectively read-only
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[14:11:50] <monkeyisl> hello http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/110-220V-40W-200-300mm-Mini-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-3020-Laser-with-USB/809293_997131630.html?s=p
[14:12:10] <monkeyisl> that will work for arylic 5T ~ 7T ?
[14:12:15] <monkeyisl> anyone has tried?
[14:13:44] <malcom2073_> Heh, I was like "wow they've gottne cheap! ohhhh shipping"
[14:14:59] <Rab> monkeyisl, sup
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[14:20:21] <cpresser> monkeyisl: what is 5T ~ 7T ?
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[14:23:28] <cpresser> monkeyisl: 40W will cut 3mm without problems; 6mm ist also okay
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[14:27:05] <jack16> Here is video review of this laser cutter http://youtu.be/KhhOHUe_b6o
[14:33:21] <monkeyisl> Rab : lol what!
[14:37:03] <kengu> https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10157189_907665935934582_7059786075856817691_n.jpg?oh=5e1faa5189763b69b6394e46dc889c63&oe=5563DC58
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[14:47:00] <monkeyisl> Thanks for your input.
[14:47:03] <monkeyisl> Rab : sup
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[15:59:52] <pcw_home> Changing acceleration during motion is a queue buster so likely to be a lose in most cases
[16:22:50] <Bushman> i will get gray hair cause of this DXF2GCODE program.
[16:23:06] <_methods> hahah
[16:23:24] <Bushman> it generated a code that creates random circles where they weren't suppose to be
[16:23:33] <PetefromTn_> IJ?
[16:23:36] <_methods> have you tried heekscam?
[16:23:43] <_methods> is this one a windows box or linux box?
[16:23:56] <_methods> i think heekscam is still free on linux
[16:24:19] <_methods> and the tool pathing on it was pretty good last time i used it for normal 2d pathing
[16:24:33] <_methods> s/one/on
[16:25:24] <Bushman> _methods: i work on linux and yes, i did try heeks... it's crashing all the time
[16:25:39] <_methods> ah that sux
[16:26:19] <Bushman> the DXF2GCODE seems ok for me... if only it wouldn't create random output lol
[16:26:25] <_methods> hahaha
[16:26:40] <_methods> yeah that can be a problem, unless you are an artist or something lol
[16:26:53] <_methods> and you'd like to add some entropy to your art hehe
[16:27:11] <_methods> art courtesy of dxf2gcode
[16:28:03] <Bushman> http://bushman.pl/misc/cad/owl01.dxf
[16:28:08] <Bushman> that's the source
[16:28:20] <PetefromTn_> you might try CamBam but it is not free. you can use it for like 50 times before the trial expires and if you can not shut it down you can stretch that out quite a bit LOL...
[16:28:48] <Bushman> http://bushman.pl/misc/cad/owl01.ngc
[16:28:52] <Bushman> that's the output
[16:29:11] <Bushman> PetefromTn_: i know bamcam and yes, it's not free
[16:29:31] <Bushman> i try to stick to free software
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[16:30:12] <Bushman> because pretty much 99% of the jobs i do in my homemade machine are hobby stuff
[16:30:33] <PetefromTn_> I wish there was a free 3d cam software that was worth a shit but so far I have not found one..
[16:30:39] <Bushman> where i can't justify spending more money on it :P
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[16:33:04] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you around?
[16:34:41] <_methods> well there is always fusion360
[16:34:49] <_methods> it's free for hobbyists and students
[16:34:52] <_methods> but it's not linux
[16:37:08] <Bushman> mhm
[16:38:33] <Bushman> oh, autodesk
[16:38:42] <_methods> yeah :(
[16:38:44] <_methods> it works though
[16:39:06] <_methods> i hate recommending it
[16:39:20] <_methods> but the toolpathing part of it really is pretty impressive
[16:40:43] <Bushman> well, there's also sheetcam. it's nice CAM software but trial version is limited to 140 something lines (including preprocesor comments and stuff like that)
[16:41:20] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said you did not want anything but freeware?
[16:41:28] <_methods> oh man i'd love to find some open source nesting software
[16:41:44] <Bushman> i'd love they made a student/hobby version with somewhat more workable limit.. like 500 lines or something
[16:41:48] <_methods> he did i was just throwing that out there
[16:42:04] <Bushman> i said i try to stick to freeware
[16:43:00] <Bushman> but just because you have a wife at home for free, doesn't mean you can't go to the streets and try comercial solutions
[16:43:22] <_methods> heheh
[16:48:18] <_methods> well i had decent luck with heekscnc
[16:48:36] <_methods> you might try spinning up a clean ubuntu vm and putting it on that
[16:49:08] <Bushman> if i would VM anything, it would be XP for stuff like that
[16:49:15] <_methods> that too
[16:50:00] <Bushman> cause for some reason people use libs that come from linux to code for windows and then port it back to linux with shitload of bugs
[16:50:02] <_methods> did you add the repo and apt-get heekscnc?
[16:50:14] <Bushman> yes, no change
[16:50:17] <_methods> hmmm
[16:50:24] <Bushman> crashes every time and bugs out the menus
[16:50:27] <_methods> well i haven't tried it in a couple years
[16:51:01] <Bushman> for now i'm using freecad for design in 3D and simply Inkscape for 2D
[16:51:03] <Bushman> :P
[16:51:11] <_methods> yeah i like freecad
[16:52:50] <_methods> you could try that shapeoko toolchain maybe
[16:53:09] <Bushman> never heard of.
[16:53:13] * Bushman googles
[16:53:44] <_methods> i think they use some program called easel
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[16:55:23] <_methods> http://www.easel.com/
[16:56:35] <_methods> i've never used it before so don't blame me if it sux ballz
[16:56:50] <_methods> blame PetefromTn_
[16:57:03] <_methods> heheh
[16:58:17] <Bushman> hmm...
[16:58:26] <Bushman> it works only with shapeoko machines
[16:58:32] <Bushman> arduino based
[16:58:47] <Bushman> or at least that's the impression i've got
[16:59:37] <PetefromTn_> shapeoshitty
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[17:03:59] <malcom2073_> Damn, I wanted to design and make projects from *fake* materials
[17:12:26] <Rab> Real materials harder than ABS and softer than aluminum.
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[17:14:50] <Bushman> inkscape you fool...
[17:15:16] <Bushman> it breaks some points into two or more during conversionf from object to path
[17:15:38] <Rab> The new Inkscape release includes gcodetools by default, apparently.
[17:15:43] <Bushman> and those points create tiny bumps on the new paths made from object's outline
[17:15:54] <Bushman> and those bumps cause the damn weird circles
[17:16:04] <Bushman> it does?
[17:16:12] <Bushman> oh.
[17:16:28] <Bushman> well, thank you Rab. i'll make sure to check them out ;]
[17:17:39] <Rab> Bushman, are you using gcodetools now?
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[17:18:31] <maZer`-> hi all
[17:19:25] <maZer`-> i have a problem with some code :D Always i try to run the programm from tool change
[17:20:03] <Rab> The plugin is great, but it has some weird gotchas. For example paths have a beginning and an end in Inkscape, and gcodetools respects that when plotting machine coordinates. So if you want to ensure climb milling, for example, you sometimes have to flip the object in Inkscape so the path is going the right way.
[17:20:04] <maZer`-> i get a error message arc move cannot be reached
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[17:25:23] <JT-Shop> what's the exact error message?
[17:28:12] <Tom_itx> wow. 10F today and 70 on friday
[17:38:36] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7307/16402882906_3764cf2978_h.jpg
[17:38:55] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7314/16242957797_6d61604d8d_b.jpg
[17:39:04] <zeeshan|2> yea i dont think im digging this car out
[17:39:10] <zeeshan|2> it'll stay there for the remaining winter :P
[17:40:23] <Tom_itx> looks like you're halfway there already
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[17:42:58] <zeeshan|2> thats my beater
[17:43:01] <zeeshan|2> that i transport metal in
[17:43:04] <zeeshan|2> its not worth digging out
[17:43:05] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:44:14] <zeeshan|2> i got a quote for that power drawbar
[17:44:19] <zeeshan|2> hydraulic cylinder repair
[17:44:22] <zeeshan|2> 1800$
[17:44:27] <zeeshan|2> yea i think im gonna pass.
[17:44:31] <Tom_itx> hah
[17:44:40] <zeeshan|2> i rather build a pneumatic system for that
[17:44:42] <Tom_itx> what about parts?
[17:44:50] <zeeshan|2> parts are about 500
[17:45:20] <Tom_itx> so fix it yourself
[17:46:10] <zeeshan|2> ill take it apart
[17:46:13] <zeeshan|2> and see whats up
[17:46:28] <Bushman> Rab: no. i'm using plain inscape and DXF2GCODE
[17:46:35] <Bushman> *inkscape
[17:46:41] <zeeshan|2> i realized that i can hook up the thing on test frame at the lab
[17:46:50] <zeeshan|2> and just pull on it and check for any displacement
[17:46:55] <zeeshan|2> and measure the force at that displacement
[17:46:57] <zeeshan|2> to "certify" it
[17:47:29] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is BS man...
[17:47:47] <zeeshan|2> i paid 1500 for the machine
[17:47:52] <zeeshan|2> im not gonna pay more than that one a hydraulic cylinder
[17:47:53] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:47:57] <zeeshan|2> *on
[17:48:01] <PetefromTn_> I hear ya
[17:48:35] <PetefromTn_> there are certain bits on these more commercial machines where you have to eat it but I would be surprised if you could not repair that yourself.
[17:48:47] <zeeshan|2> yea likew a spindle
[17:48:48] <zeeshan|2> or a bearing
[17:49:33] <malcom2073_> Woo! The guy with my mill is back from vacation... middle of the week it should be warm enough to melt the snow which means I can go get it this week maybe :-D
[17:50:39] <PetefromTn_> what mill?
[17:50:45] <malcom2073_> a clausing/condia cnc
[17:50:48] <malcom2073_> kondia*
[17:50:54] <renesis> i just realized the spring loaded engraving tool i got would be great for holding wire brushes, sanding pads and polishing pads
[17:50:57] <PetefromTn_> pics?
[17:51:04] <malcom2073_> http://mikesshop.net/mill/
[17:51:06] * renesis gonna make things perty
[17:51:37] <renesis> fixer upper
[17:51:40] <PetefromTn_> renesis nice man which one did you get?
[17:51:57] <PetefromTn_> you probably can do some cool engine turning with that thing
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[17:52:24] <malcom2073_> gonna need some work before it moves on its own heh
[17:52:27] <renesis> 2L 1/4" mini, i got it and couple conical bits, diamond tip scribe, and 4 flute endmill for $180
[17:52:43] <renesis> like half their retail for just the tool holder
[17:53:03] <renesis> http://www.2linc.com/engraving_mini_1-4.htm
[17:53:12] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073_ GOod luck with it man. looks like a pretty rigid knee mill.
[17:53:24] <renesis> i wanted the 3/8 shank one, but this is what ebay had, and this is working okay
[17:53:36] <malcom2073_> PetefromTn_: Yeah it's massive, should be pretty good for a knee mill
[17:53:38] <PetefromTn_> how did you get the deal?
[17:53:51] <renesis> ebay, sniped
[17:54:00] <PetefromTn_> new or used?
[17:54:06] <renesis> used but barely
[17:54:09] <PetefromTn_> aah
[17:54:17] <renesis> guy says he bought it and chucked it once, then sold the mill
[17:54:33] <PetefromTn_> is that thing ground internally? or is it something one could just machine?
[17:54:40] <renesis> is what it looked like, no chips, no oil stains when broken down, thing is clean
[17:54:52] <renesis> its a spring and two bearings
[17:55:04] <PetefromTn_> what kinda bearings?
[17:55:05] <renesis> most of the rotational load is on the bearings
[17:55:15] <renesis> like 3/16 balls
[17:55:25] <PetefromTn_> tiny balls heh
[17:55:42] <Rab> renesis, hot. I've been wanting to build a similar attachment for engine turning. That looks perfect.
[17:55:47] <renesis> its not very big, 3 krpm limited, they might be 1/4"
[17:55:48] <PetefromTn_> is it something you could take apart easily and snap some photos I would like to make one..
[17:56:04] <renesis> rab: yeah thats totally what i was thinking
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[17:56:38] <renesis> petefromtn_: yeah, hmm sec i can do now i guess
[17:56:43] <renesis> school in a bit =\
[17:57:27] <PetefromTn_> OK thanks man
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[18:00:14] <zeeshan|2> i called a local place
[18:00:19] <zeeshan|2> that apparently stocks the ott jakobs parts
[18:00:25] <zeeshan|2> they are like 25 min from me
[18:00:27] <zeeshan|2> lets see :P
[18:00:38] <zeeshan|2> i really dont want to run a damn manual drawbar if i dont have to!
[18:01:39] <renesis> one of the bearings flew away =(
[18:01:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Yes you do, you just don't know it yet =)
[18:02:12] <zeeshan|2> hey guys
[18:02:17] <zeeshan|2> why cant i legally buy windows 7 32bit anywhere?
[18:02:23] <zeeshan|2> i cant ran windows 8 on my dad's dental comps
[18:02:33] <zeeshan|2> *run
[18:02:40] <Jymmm> it's OEM,
[18:02:56] <PetefromTn_> renesis damn man how'd that happen?
[18:03:14] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-System-Builder-Packaging/dp/B00H09BO2M
[18:03:21] <renesis> not enough hands, i thought they were deeper in, ill find it
[18:03:24] <renesis> uploading pics
[18:03:28] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: can't download?
[18:04:41] <Tom_itx> why can't you run windoze ate?
[18:05:38] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[18:05:53] <Rab> zeeshan|2, 7 is EOL.
[18:05:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Not unlessy ou are a MSDN subscriber that I'm aware of
[18:06:03] <zeeshan|2> fak
[18:06:14] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: his digital xray stuff
[18:06:16] <zeeshan|2> isnt supported in 8
[18:06:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: you doing a reinstall or something?
[18:06:18] <zeeshan|2> only 7 32-bit
[18:06:21] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:06:26] <zeeshan|2> i have a key
[18:06:38] <zeeshan|2> but he lost the cd
[18:06:49] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: where did he buy it from?
[18:06:56] <zeeshan|2> dell i think
[18:07:31] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: call dell ask for a replacement media, they'll charge you for it, but then you'll have it.
[18:07:36] <renesis> weird imgur wont upload from my phone, filed needed to be copied
[18:07:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: No BM's?
[18:07:47] <zeeshan|2> BM?
[18:07:47] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: xp even?
[18:08:00] <PetefromTn_> bowel movements?
[18:08:07] <Jymmm> VM
[18:08:24] <Jymmm> XP virtual machine
[18:08:42] <renesis> petefromtn_: http://imgur.com/a/65yba
[18:08:43] <Jymmm> WINE ?
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[18:09:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Here's a 400 virus infected version you can download for free... http://getintopc.com/softwares/operating-systems/windows-7-ultimate-free-download-iso-32-and-64-bit/
[18:09:48] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[18:09:54] <PetefromTn_> Hey thanks Renesis
[18:10:01] <PetefromTn_> looks like an interesting design
[18:10:06] <zeeshan|2> rofl Jymmm
[18:10:07] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[18:10:48] <renesis> petefromtn_: theyre 5/32 bearings
[18:12:08] <PetefromTn_> nice does not appear to be a ground internal bore tho does it just use the bearings to slide up and down vertically I guess...to remain in position around the rotation and keep it vertical.
[18:12:45] <zeeshan|2> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934&CatId=4622
[18:12:47] <renesis> yeah
[18:12:53] <zeeshan|2> can you install this on multiple comps :)
[18:13:06] <PetefromTn_> are the little ball bearings pockets on the shaft also spring loaded
[18:13:16] <renesis> nope
[18:13:30] <renesis> its pretty tight, not much play
[18:13:34] <PetefromTn_> interesting. how snug is the fit when you insert it
[18:13:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: If you take the time to create yourself a XP VM, then you'll have a clean cnfige that you can copy/use anywhere, anytime, and even test intall without worries of virus, fucked up software, etc
[18:13:51] <zeeshan|2> ah
[18:14:38] <renesis> petefromtn_: bit of roational play, almost no play of the runout type
[18:14:50] <PetefromTn_> just ordered the 1/8x3" barstock for these parts I am gonna try vacuum fixturing today..
[18:14:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: I have a BASE VM, and APPS VM. I can copy teh BASE VM 50 times if I like, no having to wait 3 hours to do an install.
[18:15:20] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: kinda like ubuntu live cd!
[18:15:54] <renesis> well except you dont have to wipe out an os when its virtualized
[18:15:54] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Eh, kinda. you still need a OS installed, but I don't have to fuck around with M$ bs
[18:15:56] <PetefromTn_> renesis I am kind of surprised that the bore is not ground and the shaft is not also ground to fit nice and snug but that would make it cost a lot more I suppose... the bearings appear to only keep it from spinning.
[18:16:58] <renesis> it moves up and down nice, dunno how well itll wear
[18:17:03] <renesis> comes with three diff springs
[18:17:17] <PetefromTn_> thats a good idea too
[18:17:18] <renesis> its for engraving so fairly unloaded
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[18:17:39] <PetefromTn_> nice man thanks for taking the time to share the pics and information
[18:17:51] <Tom_itx> what controls the depth of cut on it as it rotates around a part?
[18:18:00] <Tom_itx> just spring tension?
[18:18:08] <renesis> you just rapid in to your depth and go
[18:18:38] <renesis> they have recommended feeds/speeds, i did some stuff in sharpie covered white delrin, came out perfect
[18:19:05] <PetefromTn_> you can only spin to 3k with it tho?
[18:19:08] <renesis> tom_itx: by second pass, youre kind of at final depth
[18:19:19] <renesis> first pass it seems that speed/feed/spring control depth
[18:19:33] <Tom_itx> their example shows it moving up and down across a bar though
[18:19:34] <renesis> i havent tried to raster or spiral pockets with it yet
[18:19:38] <Tom_itx> what controls the depth there?
[18:19:45] <Tom_itx> your gcode?
[18:19:47] <renesis> the small one is only 3k
[18:19:52] <renesis> gcode
[18:19:57] <renesis> oh
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[18:20:08] <Tom_itx> it doesn't show the whole tool moving up and down though
[18:20:17] <renesis> no i think in their example they keep z flat, so its just speed/feed/spring controlling depth
[18:20:20] <Tom_itx> so something must control the depth of cut
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[18:20:37] <renesis> i saw some demo where there was good amount of tool movement
[18:20:49] <renesis> it has like .4" of z movement
[18:21:10] <renesis> and how well it climbs up a part is prob going to have a lot to do with your tool
[18:21:39] <renesis> they recommend 120 and 90 deg tools, i want to try with 30 and 15 deg tools
[18:21:58] <renesis> but the 90 deg tool looks like it be fine for engraving panels
[18:22:09] <renesis> thats mostly what i got it for
[18:22:24] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF3PXqrJlpQ
[18:22:43] <renesis> yeah that guy has maybe 3 vids
[18:22:57] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVpr_u0PVo
[18:23:25] <Tom_itx> i don't recall the angle on my cutters
[18:24:01] <renesis> i have a bunch of 1/8" cutters with 30deg tips for PCB, sucks this thing takes 3/16 so gotta get some more
[18:24:06] <Tom_itx> they work pretty good though
[18:24:13] <renesis> 2L carbide prices are pretty okay for american tools
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[18:25:02] <renesis> i was paying $20 for 30 degree conical half round and pyramid cutters, 1/8" with .005" tips
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[18:26:22] <renesis> anyway, greatly varying depth is going to change spring tension so im sure it takes some tweaking
[18:26:55] <renesis> but not worrying about warped parts over 12" Y axis is nice
[18:28:06] <renesis> petefromtn_: 4 bearings instead of two would maybe be better, who knows
[18:28:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah maybe
[18:28:51] <renesis> top hole is just a vent
[18:28:53] <PetefromTn_> but they would have to be captured so they don't rub each other
[18:28:55] <renesis> bottom hole is set screw
[18:29:21] <renesis> yeah i mean just have same single ball pocket, but another one lower in the groove
[18:29:36] <renesis> so its located on two points in the groove instead of one
[18:29:43] <PetefromTn_> good idea
[18:29:59] <renesis> basically make the interface 4 bearings instead of two bearings and two cylinders
[18:30:54] <PetefromTn_> I would think just a brass or bronze snug fitting one with a sliding gound pin in a groove would work about as well and you could lubricate it. The only movement is the vertical movement it seems
[18:31:32] <PetefromTn_> wish I had a freakin' lathe here that worked HAHAHA
[18:32:27] <jdh> Ill sell you a 9x20
[18:33:05] <Jymmm> I'll sell you a 18x40 for half of whatever jdh sells you his for
[18:33:24] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[18:33:53] <jdh> half?
[18:33:59] <PetefromTn_> I am afraid ALL of my spare funds are going to be invested in building this standard modern CNC 14x40 lathe for the time being...
[18:34:12] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm what kinda 18x40 is it?
[18:34:53] <Jymmm> jdh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt8DoNerIPY
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[18:38:04] <roycroft> i saw a 12x36 on cl for $2500 this weekend - i excited
[18:38:13] <roycroft> then i found out it's a vintage 1940s craftsman/atlas
[18:38:18] <roycroft> so it should have been $400
[18:38:33] <roycroft> i thought at $2500 it was a modern lathe
[18:46:14] <jdh> there is one semilocal for 750 or so
[18:47:25] <zeeshan|2> 2500 is a lot
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[19:01:45] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: since you missed it over the weekend http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/8.jpg
[19:01:57] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:02:18] <FinboySlick> These better be very dark shades.
[19:02:43] <FinboySlick> Like dem Blues Brothers and stuff.
[19:03:10] <Rab> Could be pinhole lenses.
[19:03:13] <Rab> But probably not.
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[19:15:01] <_methods> that pic was a real hit at work
[19:15:13] <_methods> i don't think the 'durs liked it so much
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[19:20:13] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[19:20:14] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I had to save that one to HDD
[19:21:17] <_methods> poor weldurrs
[19:23:30] <zeeshan|2> honestly i dont find it funny
[19:23:36] <zeeshan|2> just shows you how poor they are there
[19:23:53] <zeeshan|2> if that was a hillbilly doing it, it would be funny :P
[19:24:16] <_methods> all welders are hillbilly's
[19:24:22] <_methods> its a bond they all share
[19:24:25] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:24:36] <Jymmm> no teeth?
[19:24:42] <_methods> that too
[19:24:44] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: no sleep w/ sister s
[19:24:53] <Jymmm> ah
[19:25:06] <Jymmm> I was going to say 14 and second child on the way
[19:25:15] <_methods> hahah
[19:25:41] <_methods> i wish i could have recorded those welders trying to figure out how to miter a 45
[19:25:46] <_methods> 3 welders
[19:25:50] <_methods> 1 45 deg angle
[19:26:00] <_methods> who will win
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[19:33:55] <OneTimePad> miter weld, or just a joint?
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[19:37:50] <James628> PCW: Are you online?
[19:38:13] <PCW> sort of
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[19:40:40] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLtL1R440E nice video on the 2L cutter
[19:40:47] <James628> PCW. Thanks :) I want to buy 9 pcs of 7i90 cards from webshop, but actual stock is zero. When you expect to restock?
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[19:46:09] <_methods> yeah we got a couple of those 2L things here
[19:47:03] <PCW> a couple weeks for 7I90s
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[19:47:34] <Jymmm> I was disappointed, I that it was to cut 2L Soda bottles cleanly
[19:47:48] <PetefromTn_> how do you like them?
[19:47:52] <Jymmm> s/that/thought/
[19:47:56] <_methods> everyone seems to like them
[19:48:02] <_methods> they don't work well for deep engraves
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[19:48:33] <_methods> alot of our stuff that gets carc painted has to get engraved with a normal engraving tool
[19:48:52] <_methods> but if it's just getting alodined or powder coated we use those
[19:49:40] <_methods> and it actually comes with a little gcode program that spits out engraving gcode if you don't feel like firing up mastercam or somethign to just make a quick engraving program
[19:49:42] <PetefromTn_> do you find you use them on flat surfaces too or moreso just for radiused or varying Z height surfaces
[19:49:51] <_methods> we use them on flat stuff
[19:49:59] <_methods> a lot of sheet metal parts are uneven
[19:50:08] <_methods> so we have to use them instead of a normal engraving tool
[19:50:09] <PetefromTn_> sure
[19:50:42] <PetefromTn_> BRB gotta pick up my kids from school
[19:51:07] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Let em walk home, uphill, both ways
[19:51:12] <_methods> yeah i gotta stfu too and go put some pemserts in so i can get some parts to paint
[19:51:15] <James628> PCW: OK I will wait. Could you compile a custom firmware for 7i90HD ?
[19:54:48] <zeeshan|2> hm
[19:54:50] <zeeshan|2> what to xray
[19:55:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: welds?
[19:55:42] <zeeshan|2> not strong enough
[19:55:44] <zeeshan|2> its for bones
[19:55:56] <zeeshan|2> ill try xraying a weld
[19:55:57] <Jymmm> halloween candy?
[19:55:58] <zeeshan|2> see what happens
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[20:05:43] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Actually they could walk home it is right around the corner literally.. I mean like less than a quarter mile. But I like to pick them up and take them home myself so I don't have to worry about them. plus it gives me a chance to enjoy my Bronco a bit hehe...
[20:08:47] <PCW> James628 : yes I can do that, its easier for me if you can make a pin_xxxx.vhd file of what you need
[20:15:52] <zeeshan|2> i finally found
[20:15:53] <zeeshan|2> skf parts
[20:15:58] <zeeshan|2> guess from where?
[20:16:08] <zeeshan|2> the canadian division that BUILDS skf lubricator systems
[20:16:09] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:16:13] <zeeshan|2> how pathetic is that
[20:16:18] <zeeshan|2> that they use fittings that ONLY you can buy from them
[20:16:25] <zeeshan|2> ive LOOKED and looked
[20:16:43] <zeeshan|2> theres no such thing has a regular nylon hose that can handle 45 bar (650psi) working pressure
[20:16:50] <zeeshan|2> thats 1 mm thick
[20:16:53] <zeeshan|2> its some propietary shit
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[20:35:53] <PetefromTn_> what are you talking about Zeeshan?
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[20:37:19] <unfy> the cheap 2 pack of chinese e-stop switches arrived today. they're cheap alright :D
[20:39:39] <PetefromTn_> oh really..
[20:39:41] <PetefromTn_> that sucks
[20:39:45] <PetefromTn_> how bad are they?
[20:40:14] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the weird hydraulic fittings
[20:40:23] <zeeshan|2> for my cental lubrication
[20:41:05] <PetefromTn_> Oh for the way oilers etc.
[20:41:23] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were talking about your drawbar hydraulics or something
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[20:47:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:47:25] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:47:32] <unfy> they uhm
[20:48:37] <unfy> screw + 2 plates for terminals. 4 terminals. 2 springs. maybe a third sping steel wire.
[20:48:57] <unfy> checking if terminal screws go into an insert or what
[20:49:09] <PetefromTn_> sounds just like the ones that came on my RF45 that I used in the CNC conversion.
[20:49:23] <PetefromTn_> they can be setup to work either closed or open as I recall.
[20:49:47] <unfy> nope. just bottom plate of each terminal is threaded.
[20:49:54] <PetefromTn_> overall is it going to work or is it such a piece of shit it will break the first time you slap it in an emergency...
[20:50:40] <unfy> i've slapped it a few times, it looks like it'll work that way. but... it is all pretty thin plastic imho
[20:50:48] <unfy> but, at $2 a piece... it is what you expect :D
[20:50:53] <PetefromTn_> figures
[20:51:27] <PetefromTn_> I will await mine to get here and I will let you know if it is the same type or crappier than I recall mine being. Thanks man.
[20:51:40] <unfy> there's a metal looking ring in the pic - that's plastic.
[20:53:29] <unfy> working on an imgur upload
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[20:53:47] <Rab> Just make sure you wire for N.C. so if it doesn't work, you can just tear it off the machine.
[20:53:53] <unfy> http://i.imgur.com/mikuR6Y.jpg pen is there for refernce
[20:54:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:54:39] <unfy> well, the spring steel wire i thought war there, is actually a coil spring
[20:54:50] <PetefromTn_> hehe so the shiny plastic bit is actually plastic
[20:54:59] <unfy> yes, yes it is :D
[20:55:03] <PetefromTn_> fuckers
[20:55:16] <PetefromTn_> Rab that's hilarious man..
[20:55:44] <unfy> looking at it
[20:56:15] <PetefromTn_> the good news is that since I setup my homes and limits on the VMC I have only had to smack the Estop once or twice since I got the machine working.
[20:56:23] <unfy> it's open all the time, pressing it causes both sets of contactcs (orange and green) to short. maybe. i'm not too confident in how the switching mechanism works yet
[20:57:15] <PetefromTn_> the ones I have here you can actually switch if you take it apart
[20:57:33] <PetefromTn_> the top part of the switch comes away from the bottom part with some little clips
[20:57:49] <PetefromTn_> and you can flip the contact carrier over or reverse it as I recall.
[20:58:03] <PetefromTn_> but it has been awhile since I took it apart so I may be just delusional.
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[20:58:24] <unfy> i lied
[20:58:27] <unfy> they're normally shorted
[20:58:44] <PetefromTn_> NC
[20:58:59] <unfy> it looks like you MIGHT be able to switch them
[20:59:00] <PetefromTn_> that's good
[20:59:28] <PetefromTn_> I already got the mail so if the UPS guy does not show it must be tomorrow before I can expect it.
[21:00:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/vacuumchucking.htm interesting but kinda caveman..
[21:01:10] <unfy> http://i.imgur.com/aruKo7m.jpg
[21:01:32] <unfy> ya might be able to switch the terminal around
[21:02:05] <PetefromTn_> cool
[21:02:09] <unfy> there's a lot of plastic everywhere and i'm a bit afraid of breaking it heh
[21:02:42] <unfy> got it apart
[21:02:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah the ones I have are the same way but these are rather decent plastic
[21:03:39] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOiBB3xEphk Pretty cool but I flinched each time it plunged into the glass LOL
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[21:06:02] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yeah, enjoy the bronco, screw enjoying time with the kids! lol
[21:06:19] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[21:06:33] <PetefromTn_> Can't I do both?
[21:07:10] <Jymmm> Nope... you must choose only one... <jeopardy theme song begins to play>
[21:07:28] <PetefromTn_> Ok then anyone wanna buy a nice clean bronco?
[21:07:32] <unfy> last 2 pics uploading
[21:07:47] <Jymmm> $10
[21:08:01] <PetefromTn_> ya cut me deep man...Deep
[21:08:17] <Jymmm> what year?
[21:08:23] <PetefromTn_> so whats with the 18x40 lathe man?
[21:08:28] <PetefromTn_> Oh 1993
[21:08:37] <Jymmm> OH, $2 then
[21:08:48] <Jymmm> 18x40 = JOKE
[21:08:52] <PetefromTn_> Big spender
[21:08:52] <unfy> http://i.imgur.com/TiPa87I.jpg
[21:09:12] <PetefromTn_> yup that is almost exactly the same as mine
[21:09:15] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: $2 = scrap value. I wouldn't want a post 1970 bronco
[21:09:38] <PetefromTn_> I'm sorry
[21:09:49] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE the big 79 models
[21:09:52] <Jymmm> Just pref is all
[21:10:01] <PetefromTn_> but finding one that is not a total POS is near impossible anymore
[21:10:17] <Jymmm> post 70 is when all the smog va lines crap started
[21:10:24] <Jymmm> vac*
[21:10:28] <unfy> 5v regulators arrived (smd), e-stop switches, and some more micro drill bits for pcb stuff
[21:10:41] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yeah, I know.
[21:10:55] <unfy> electronics workbench is starting to come together too \o/
[21:11:27] <PetefromTn_> I love the comments on that shot glass engraving.... How did you program this? .......CAREUFLLY!!
[21:12:26] <Jymmm> http://aboutcolonblank.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/measure-twice-cut-once.jpg
[21:12:42] <Jymmm> measure once, cut twice
[21:12:47] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I would love a big block 1979 model but if it is even close to being a nice truck people ask a damn fortune for them.. I get compliments on mine all the time tho..
[21:13:00] <PetefromTn_> TWIC priceless
[21:13:15] <PetefromTn_> maybe the board was just not long enough
[21:13:48] <Jymmm> Are you trying to justify dumbassery?
[21:14:32] <PetefromTn_> no just sayin' hehe
[21:14:43] <Jymmm> I'll take that as a yes.
[21:14:44] <Jymmm> =)
[21:14:47] <unfy> ROFL
[21:14:49] <unfy> i love it!
[21:14:57] <unfy> (measure/cut pic)
[21:15:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Do your kids iike fruit loops?
[21:16:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: http://www.gmofreeusa.org/food-testing/kelloggs/kelloggs-froot-loops/
[21:16:03] <Tom_itx> of course they like their dad!
[21:16:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: We're talking PetefromTn_ kids, not any/your offspring
[21:16:40] <PetefromTn_> naah they are more the cocoa crispies type...
[21:17:00] <Jymmm> It that Kellogs ?
[21:17:02] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx You're all heart man...;)
[21:17:07] <Tom_itx> hehe
[21:17:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx++
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[21:17:28] <PetefromTn_> I love those frosted mini wheats things
[21:17:33] <CaptHindsight> well who wants weeds growing in their Fruit Loops!?
[21:17:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: MILKweed?
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[21:18:19] <unfy> keep the weeds out of my frosted mini wheat bush garden
[21:18:22] <PetefromTn_> WTF is GMO?
[21:18:32] <Jymmm> Which is actually a very good medicinal plant btw.
[21:18:33] <unfy> genetically modified organism
[21:18:42] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell no..
[21:18:47] <PetefromTn_> seriously
[21:18:51] <Jymmm> yes
[21:18:56] <PetefromTn_> no more fruit loops for us
[21:19:02] <PetefromTn_> no soup for you...
[21:19:04] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:19:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Say THANK YOU MONSANTO
[21:19:13] <PetefromTn_> fuckrs
[21:19:18] <unfy> far beyond Mendel and his orchids...
[21:19:43] <unfy> or pea plants or whatever
[21:19:46] <Jymmm> Monsanto, the makers of Mustard gas, Agent, orange, roundup, and GMO cordn/soy
[21:19:47] <CaptHindsight> Monsanto makes M$ look like good guys
[21:20:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: understatement
[21:20:19] <PetefromTn_> Captainunderstatement?
[21:20:26] <unfy> >_>
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[21:20:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: REalize that it's ALL kollogs products, not just fruitloops, those were jsut what they tested.
[21:21:02] <PetefromTn_> well I think I got this vacuum fixture programmed here finally..
[21:21:17] <CaptHindsight> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2014/07/22/mike-adams-monsanto-nazis-disturbing-article/
[21:22:07] <PetefromTn_> it's getting where a man can't even eat his friggin' fruit loops without worrying about dyin' Jeez...
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[21:22:19] <Tom_itx> eat fruit loops and you'll end up looking like that welder
[21:22:35] <PetefromTn_> NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!
[21:22:49] <PetefromTn_> :D>
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[21:26:19] <Jymmm> OH noes, GMO cheerios (Most infants are given them) http://gmoinside.org/cheerios/
[21:27:09] <PetefromTn_> any of you ever heard of walter facemills?
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[21:27:25] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1qJ9rEUoXB6V good for the book cover
[21:27:35] <Jymmm> Is that anything like Betty Buttups?
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[21:29:10] <PetefromTn_> Shit....six more weeks of winter...THANKS PHIL!!
[21:32:26] <CaptHindsight> 12+ inches of snow yesterday follower by 10F today
[21:32:40] <Tom_itx> we had the 10F with no snow
[21:33:49] <Tom_itx> supposed to be close to 70 by the end of the week
[21:33:52] <Tom_itx> go figure
[21:34:03] <CaptHindsight> nice, we might break 32F
[21:34:51] <CaptHindsight> and we often get snow here after Cubs opening day
[21:35:19] <Tom_itx> one year we had straight line winds strong enough to bend over turnpike signs
[21:35:36] <Loetmichel> *NIIICE* finally i can thrash that "(§/$&("§&%("$&%(§$/ Speedport W700V router... got myself a Fritzbox 7270 V3 that was spare at the company... ;-)
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[21:39:08] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRB-woVjlFY Coconut sized balls coupled with chipmunk sized brains LOL....
[21:40:05] <Tom_itx> Alvin was pretty smart...
[21:40:43] <PetefromTn_> well yeah......for a chipmunk?
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[21:41:29] <_methods> is that the one where he goes into all the cardboard boxes
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[21:42:14] <_methods> yep
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[21:44:19] <CaptHindsight> "A stuntman has made aviation history by becoming the first skydiver in the world to land without the use of a parachute." They forgot to add "and survived"
[21:44:29] <ju_emb> Hi all,
[21:44:34] <PetefromTn_> yup
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[21:45:45] <ju_emb> new Chinese spindle just arrived but it has a BEST VFD and a Great manual in chinese language
[21:46:48] <ju_emb> someone here knows some about that VFD or knows where to find a manual in english
[21:47:22] <PetefromTn_> F4030.B27.085.Z05.02 Has anyone here heard of Walter facemills? This one is the part number for one a guy is selling online? He said it is USA made but I found this website looks pretty well chinese no?
[21:47:59] <ju_emb> the VFD say's FC300-B4-2.2G/T2
[21:48:08] <unfy> i wonder if there's some really soft metal that ya could fill in a PCB socket hole with, then drill through it. not to act as a via, but so that top and bottom of the pcb would be conductive to the pin etc hm
[21:48:23] <unfy> (a way to do eyelets without buying the $200-$500 in tools)
[21:48:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.e-walter.com/milling/F4030.htm
[21:48:30] <ju_emb> somehow I'm to stupid to get some useful from google about that VFD
[21:50:13] <PetefromTn_> http://www.walter-tools.com/en-us/tools/standard_products/milling/overview/face_milling/xtra_tec_hpc_mill/Pages/default.aspx
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[21:53:19] <tjb1> JT-Shop: ??
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[21:56:58] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/real-time-enabled-sitara-soc-shows-up-on-a-com/ $42 @ 1k pcs
[21:57:33] <CaptHindsight> might be fast enough for machinekit and a display at the same time
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[21:58:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ti.com/product/AM4379/samplebuy the price isn't too bad
[22:00:47] <CaptHindsight> SGX530 Graphics Engine Intel uses the SGX 540 in its Medfield platform
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[22:01:41] <Deejay> gn8
[22:02:48] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!
[22:03:36] <Deejay> PetefromTn_ :)
[22:04:12] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[22:20:21] <_methods> PetefromTn_: walter is not chinese
[22:20:24] <_methods> german
[22:20:36] <_methods> they are part of sandvik now
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[22:21:15] <PetefromTn_> apparently valenite?
[22:21:23] <_methods> no it's walter
[22:21:30] <PetefromTn_> just never heard them referred to as walter
[22:21:36] <PetefromTn_> not according to that link?
[22:21:45] <_methods> they make REALLY good drills at high D
[22:21:51] <_methods> 10xd +
[22:22:05] <PetefromTn_> Shit's spensive..
[22:22:06] <_methods> very hard to beat
[22:22:10] <_methods> very expensive
[22:22:26] <_methods> 6mm drill 60+mm long
[22:22:26] <PetefromTn_> how much would you say that facemill costs new?
[22:22:35] <_methods> that mill new is like $450+
[22:22:46] <Tom_shop> valenite is walter?
[22:22:52] <PetefromTn_> then I guess a brand new one at $250.00 is a great deal then.
[22:22:55] <_methods> it's walters version of the high feed cutter like the ajxu that zeeshan|2 has
[22:23:02] <_methods> yeah it's a good deal
[22:23:06] <_methods> but it's a high feed cutter
[22:23:07] <Tom_shop> we used valenite tooling
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[22:23:16] <_methods> hold on let me double check before i go spouting lies though
[22:23:31] <Tom_shop> not cheap but good
[22:23:40] <PetefromTn_> I have used valenite cutters too and always thought they were nice but never heard them called walter
[22:23:52] <Tom_shop> probably the parent company
[22:24:01] <Tom_shop> all our holders were valenite
[22:24:03] <_methods> http://www.walter-tools.com/en-us/tools/standard_products/milling/overview/face_milling/xtra_tec_hpc_mill/pages/default.aspx
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[22:24:15] <_methods> well i thought sandvik bought walter out
[22:24:25] <_methods> but it looks like valenite has them now or something
[22:24:44] <_methods> the walter titex drills are incredible
[22:25:06] <_methods> but i'd read the datasheet on that facemill
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[22:25:16] <Tom_shop> we used some of their insert drills for cutting TI
[22:25:54] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys pay per foot for Ti round stock say about 1.5"
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[22:26:27] <Tom_itx> that was always supplied by the client
[22:26:35] <Tom_itx> and we didn't do much round Ti
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[22:27:23] <Tom_itx> they did bring us a skid of ~24 x 12 x 12 blocks of it once
[22:27:33] <PetefromTn_> one of my customers has a lathe part they want me to make from Ti that is not real critically dimensioned and they are waiting for me to get the lathe operational.
[22:27:36] <Tom_itx> we had to hog some parts outa it
[22:27:53] <_methods> http://www.walter-tools.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/downloads/global/manuals/en-gb/handbook-tts-milling-2010-en.pdf
[22:27:56] <_methods> page 38
[22:28:01] <_methods> is the feed data for the 4030
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[22:30:01] <PetefromTn_> sounds like it has a metric arbor
[22:30:14] <PetefromTn_> Don't have anything but 3/4 arbor bases here
[22:30:22] <PetefromTn_> can't afford the cutter anyways damnit
[22:30:23] <_methods> and the max depth of cut is 1.5mm
[22:30:26] <PetefromTn_> so hell with it
[22:30:27] <_methods> so it is their high feed cutter
[22:30:57] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[22:30:57] <_methods> it does good but i think the mits ajxu is better
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[22:31:10] <_methods> i couldnt take cuts with the walter like i could with the mits
[22:31:23] <_methods> i would take 2mm DOC with mits no sweat
[22:31:34] <_methods> the walter if i tried that didn't work so well
[22:31:43] <_methods> i've stalled the spindle with mits before hehe
[22:32:01] <Tom_itx> that's just as hard on cutters
[22:32:15] <_methods> oh its not nice to the cutter or the machine
[22:32:26] <_methods> but the place i worked at was all for it
[22:32:42] <_methods> if i wasn't at 90% spindle load all the time someone was askin me questions
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[22:48:33] <furrywolf> went to the one remaining local electronics store today... not much different from last time I was there. everything annoyingly expensive, and they still use paper receipts to hide that they stay in business by laundering drug money.
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[22:52:16] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: and with "customers" as you it will stay that way
[22:52:36] <Loetmichel> because they wont have the money to go cheaper and/or clean
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[23:09:16] <Bushman> made this today:
[23:09:25] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/8RHgy5Nl.jpg
[23:09:32] <Bushman> it's about 100mm wide
[23:10:31] <PetefromTn_> is that an engraving filled in or what?
[23:12:35] <Loetmichel> filled engravings look awesome
[23:13:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4979&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- especially when milled deep into the perspex
[23:13:18] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you see my furnace?
[23:13:48] <PetefromTn_> no not really
[23:13:58] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/
[23:14:40] <PetefromTn_> nice man.. how big is that container?
[23:14:52] <PetefromTn_> and what do you think you can melt in it?
[23:16:08] <PetefromTn_> Grrr Freakin' ebay has been sending me a lot of emails with "Hey check it out we discounted our price on something you viewed"
[23:16:13] <PetefromTn_> that would be more than fine
[23:16:24] <PetefromTn_> except for the fact that I Already bought one from someone else damnit
[23:18:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, that's one bigass can of soup!
[23:19:29] <JT-Shop> I can fit an A8 crucible in it so I can melt up to 17lbs of brass/bronze and 5lbs of aluminum
[23:19:37] <JT-Shop> popcorn tin
[23:20:04] <Tom_itx> yeah i figured that or a trashcan
[23:20:09] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:20:18] <PetefromTn_> what do you plan to do with it?
[23:20:30] <Tom_itx> make castings?
[23:20:34] <JT-Shop> lost pla casting
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[23:20:50] <PetefromTn_> lost PLA? lost wax?
[23:21:01] <JT-Shop> reprap print the part then make a mold from the part and cast it
[23:21:02] <Tom_itx> will the PLA melt out that quick?
[23:21:10] <JT-Shop> similar to lost was
[23:21:12] <JT-Shop> x
[23:21:15] <JT-Shop> wax
[23:21:23] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[23:21:36] <PetefromTn_> got any particular parts you want to make?
[23:21:47] <JT-Shop> some parts for the spyder
[23:22:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/showthread.php?10742-lost-PLA-outboard-carburetor-casting-%28picture-heavy-%29
[23:22:58] <JT-Shop> the burner is dead simple to make and really rocks
[23:23:10] <furrywolf> I need a larger ultrasonic cleaner. I love mine, but it's just not big enough.
[23:24:48] <furrywolf> plastic carb? that's just wrong.
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[23:25:46] <PetefromTn_> how much do you figure you have in the furnace total
[23:27:05] <furrywolf> my approach probably would have been to cut an adapter plate to bolt another brand carb on.
[23:31:05] <JT-Shop> $90 worth of castable refractory cement, the rest I had laying about
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[23:31:47] <furrywolf> I've never seen plastic used for a structual carb component...
[23:31:49] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you around?
[23:32:04] <JT-Shop> I've seen plastic carbs
[23:32:46] <unfy> I was in the middle of building an electric furnace - but alas... ._.
[23:32:54] <tjb1> JT-Shop: probably
[23:33:15] <JT-Shop> but your not sure?
[23:33:19] <tjb1> no
[23:33:42] <JT-Shop> is this something I want to add to the order from reprapdiscount http://www.reprapdiscount.com/home/34-full-graphic-smart-lcd-controller.html
[23:34:10] <_methods> i never use mine
[23:34:14] <furrywolf> I haven't seen one, and hope I never do. :)
[23:34:29] <tjb1> JT-Shop: good if you want to print without computer
[23:34:30] <_methods> it's nice if you want to print without your computer hooked up though
[23:34:32] <tjb1> they are cheaper on ebay
[23:34:37] <tjb1> $20 something on ebay
[23:34:47] <tjb1> wont work on a delta, causes a lot of stutter on mine
[23:35:15] <furrywolf> plastic is not a suitable material for things like that! most/all plastics eventually crack in the presence of gasoline... hell, even plastic floats in carbs often fail... combined with heat also causing plastic to dry and crack, and the potential to leak gasoline on a hot engine on failure...
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[23:35:32] <unfy> furnace looks nice, jt
[23:36:14] <unfy> don't really see any cracks in the refactory, etc :D
[23:36:52] <JT-Shop> I plan on having the computer hooked up
[23:36:56] <unfy> i should prolly just break down and build something similar to "get stuff done in the mean time"
[23:37:01] <JT-Shop> thanks for the help
[23:37:34] <zeeshan|2> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=072952
[23:37:37] <zeeshan|2> i got a couple of these
[23:37:40] <zeeshan|2> wow theyre TINY
[23:38:08] <zeeshan|2> im suprised
[23:38:12] <zeeshan|2> it can load apps pretty quick
[23:38:57] <furrywolf> I have a laptop not much larger than a cd jewel case... but it's ancient. heh.
[23:39:12] <zeeshan|2> i thought celerons were crap processors?
[23:39:32] <zeeshan|2> celerons have come a long way since i remember them
[23:39:34] <zeeshan|2> they werent even dual core
[23:39:34] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:39:48] <unfy> the days since the 300/300A are long gone heh
[23:39:59] <furrywolf> celerons are normal processors that failed functional tests, but enough parts passed that they were able to disable the defective bits and sell them anyway... or at least that's what they used to be.
[23:40:00] <zeeshan|2> 22 nm chip
[23:40:16] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: exactly!
[23:40:29] <zeeshan|2> the 180 nm core
[23:40:31] <zeeshan|2> you remember ?
[23:40:34] <zeeshan|2> or even the 90 nm core celeron d
[23:40:35] <PCW> the 847s/1007s are like little I3's
[23:40:37] <zeeshan|2> slow as shit
[23:40:48] <_methods> wow they're finally figuring out the MH-53 is a dangerous piece of shit
[23:41:01] <furrywolf> so they're just as fast as normal processors, as long as your workload doesn't need the disabled bits. if your program doesn't cache well, you might not notice half the cache being disabled, etc.
[23:41:15] <zeeshan|2> i got these for my dad's dental office
[23:41:26] <_methods> whenever we used to a chopper infil with -53's we always requested 2x as many as we needed because half of them would break down lol
[23:41:26] <zeeshan|2> theyre literally runnign a scheduling and xray acquriing software
[23:41:28] <zeeshan|2> and charting
[23:41:36] <zeeshan|2> its really not super resource critical
[23:41:44] <zeeshan|2> like say 1080p movies!
[23:41:51] <zeeshan|2> but this plays 1080p fine
[23:41:57] <PCW> No so any more, Intel just uses the Celreon name for low end processors
[23:42:16] <zeeshan|2> im gonna pick up that motherbaord you recommended pcw
[23:42:20] <zeeshan|2> w/ the celeron
[23:42:27] <zeeshan|2> 1900 asrock
[23:42:41] <PCW> (the Baytrail Atoms were renamed Celerons also)
[23:43:39] <zeeshan|2> it looks the j1900
[23:43:46] <zeeshan|2> is a couple steps up from the 1007u
[23:43:52] <zeeshan|2> dual core vs quad core
[23:43:59] <zeeshan|2> higher base freq
[23:44:05] <PCW> Yeah, a bit lower power also
[23:44:08] <zeeshan|2> both are 22nm core
[23:44:33] <PCW> different architecture
[23:44:56] <furrywolf> the question is whether it was intended to be dual core, or if it's a quad core with two disabled. you should grind the top off and let us know. :P
[23:44:57] <zeeshan|2> you think adding a fan would be a good idea
[23:44:57] <PCW> J1900 is a Baytrail Atom, 1007 is a baby I3
[23:45:08] <zeeshan|2> i noticed it has it has no cooling fan
[23:45:11] <zeeshan|2> just a big headink
[23:45:14] <zeeshan|2> *heatsink
[23:45:21] <PCW> I have J1800 and it barely gets warm
[23:45:33] <zeeshan|2> i just hope it bolts on
[23:45:35] <zeeshan|2> it looks very tiny.
[23:45:43] <zeeshan|2> ill gain some major space in the enclosure
[23:46:15] <PCW> They are pretty snappy for ~10W
[23:46:47] <PCW> run circles around the old Atoms
[23:46:56] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[23:47:02] <zeeshan|2> damn it new egg is sold out
[23:47:40] <furrywolf> fans suck. if it stays cool with passive cooling, keep it that way.
[23:47:55] <zeeshan|2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157513
[23:47:58] <zeeshan|2> no parallel port :(
[23:48:19] <zeeshan|2> but i guess i dont need one.
[23:48:37] <PetefromTn_> DIE Parallel port!!
[23:48:45] <zeeshan|2> SUPER PORT!!!!!!!!!1
[23:49:04] <zeeshan|2> i need a serialk port though :(
[23:49:07] <PCW> It has a parallel port header (but no PCI slot)
[23:49:32] <PetefromTn_> oh really I thought it was PCI for your mesa cards the ticket!
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[23:50:03] <PCW> it does have a single serial port (on a header)
[23:50:04] <PetefromTn_> so I can't use the 5i25 in it then?
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[23:50:16] <zeeshan|2> nop
[23:50:26] <PCW> 6I25
[23:50:35] <PCW> 7I92
[23:51:01] <furrywolf> so, I don't care about sports, but a friend is a big seahawks fan. the type that has decals all over his van. how should I tortue him?
[23:51:04] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I thought I had this thing licked with the combo I have for the lathe damnit
[23:51:05] <zeeshan|2> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565
[23:51:06] <zeeshan|2> more expensive
[23:51:08] <zeeshan|2> but this has pci
[23:51:25] <zeeshan|2> but its also bigger :/
[23:51:51] <renesis> asrock is shit
[23:51:54] <zeeshan|2> i see a db9 port too
[23:51:54] <PetefromTn_> Sheeeeeit
[23:52:19] <_methods> PCW: do you give irc discounts hehe
[23:52:27] <zeeshan|2> yes we need irc discounts!
[23:52:35] <zeeshan|2> i need a 7i76 for the lathe! :P
[23:52:38] <PCW> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698&cm_re=j1900-_-13-128-698-_-Product
[23:52:40] <PCW> has PCI and is small
[23:52:41] <furrywolf> my plan is to use an ethernet board, and not need to worry about ports. :)
[23:52:54] <renesis> gigabyte > asrock
[23:52:57] <zeeshan|2> and 2 serial ports too!
[23:53:00] <zeeshan|2> serial ports are big deal :)
[23:53:10] <zeeshan|2> whats up with the dual rj45
[23:53:29] <renesis> server/firewall
[23:53:42] <zeeshan|2> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_706&item_id=070511
[23:53:48] <zeeshan|2> i have it locally cheaper! :)
[23:53:53] <zeeshan|2> but no stock
[23:54:17] <renesis> top right might be parport breakout header
[23:54:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah but is it one you have done all your fancy testing on pcw?
[23:54:26] * furrywolf thinks a 50% irc discount is a wonderful idea
[23:54:39] <PCW> The pretty much all have LPT ports
[23:54:54] <renesis> some dont have the header populated =\
[23:54:57] <PetefromTn_> I am always up for a good deal but honestly Mesa cards are really cheap for what you are getting..
[23:55:01] <zeeshan|2> soime genious realized
[23:55:04] <renesis> and its solder filled
[23:55:04] <zeeshan|2> the parallel port and serial port
[23:55:05] <PCW> Fancy testing as a real pentium (G3258)
[23:55:08] <zeeshan|2> dont need to be abandoned!
[23:55:17] <unfy> celery j1900's have put some horrible numbers on the wiki for latency test
[23:55:24] <renesis> business stuff has serial/parport stuff a lot
[23:55:32] <zeeshan|2> yea
[23:55:35] <renesis> every work dell ive had has parport/serial
[23:55:35] <zeeshan|2> its so easy to communicate over it
[23:55:38] <furrywolf> pete: the board of his I want costs twice what I spent for the mill itself.
[23:55:46] <zeeshan|2> but comms over uart
[23:55:48] <PCW> I get around 20 usec on the J1800
[23:55:51] <zeeshan|2> using linux is pretty easy now
[23:56:31] <zeeshan|2> im getting like 29000 with the athlon xp
[23:56:37] <zeeshan|2> nanosec
[23:56:45] <zeeshan|2> but its slow as hell
[23:56:56] <renesis> what chipset/mobo?
[23:57:00] <zeeshan|2> a7v400mx
[23:57:05] <renesis> asus?
[23:57:08] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:57:09] <PetefromTn_> then you should have bought a better mill I guess LOL
[23:57:15] <zeeshan|2> haha PetefromTn_
[23:57:17] <PCW> If you want fast but still cheap a G3258 is great
[23:57:18] <unfy> an amd 2800 system has been latency test for over a month now and is 10822/12874 as it's numbers
[23:57:20] <zeeshan|2> its so annoying trying to load a pdf
[23:57:26] <zeeshan|2> when trying to take snapshots too
[23:57:30] <zeeshan|2> lags like no tomorrow
[23:57:31] <furrywolf> I got something like 9us on my laptop, even hammering the cpu and video... as long as I don't initialize a hardware accelerated video, or do anything that triggers power management, like switch to battery.
[23:58:01] <renesis> i had that older atom board, intel mobo, was under 10us latency
[23:58:11] <renesis> but it died when it was living at a woodshop at work
[23:58:24] <PCW> Yes and about 100 usec actual latency
[23:58:37] <renesis> the atom?
[23:58:46] <furrywolf> initializing a hardware accelerated video gives a 32us spike, and power management a 120us spike. heh.
[23:58:47] <PCW> they are _dreadful_
[23:59:08] <renesis> dunno it worked, latency test never showed above 10us
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[23:59:20] <PCW> plot some function times on a Atom and move the mouse
[23:59:23] <renesis> this was an older one, dont remember the model