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[00:00:01] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/
[00:00:03] <zeeshan|2> one one that comes close to 1" dia is ott groove style
[00:01:00] <zeeshan|2> that looks bad ass!
[00:01:40] <JT-Shop> what does?
[00:02:24] <Nick001-shop> Got a question about a chinese stepper driver. It has a Dir+ and a dir - with a diode drawn between them . I only have a dir lead that I connect to the gecko diver. Do I do the same with the chinese unit and ignore the diode and dir- terminal.
[00:03:03] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: the furnace
[00:03:05] <zeeshan|2> and the burner
[00:03:10] <zeeshan|2> i dig the burner
[00:03:13] <JT-Shop> yea, the burner rocks
[00:03:23] <JT-Shop> and simple to make
[00:03:37] <zeeshan|2> i like how you went with the swirld design
[00:03:38] <JT-Shop> I'll have prints for it soon
[00:03:46] <zeeshan|2> to circulate the flame
[00:03:55] <zeeshan|2> to induce turbulence
[00:04:04] <JT-Shop> that seems to be how most furnaces are built
[00:04:18] <JT-Shop> including commercial ones
[00:04:56] <JT-Shop> might take the forms out tomorrow night
[00:05:17] * JT-Shop retires to the couch
[00:06:51] <furrywolf> anyone have some stepper motor cable they want to sell? 16/4 shielded, continuous flex would be perfect I think...
[00:07:48] <furrywolf> I am distinctly displeased with the crap I got... flexible servo stepper cable! is actually alarm cable, stiff enough a 6" section will hold the 25ft roll out horizontal...
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[00:08:51] <furrywolf> I have a roll of nice 4+2 separately shielded servo cable, but don't know if I want to waste it on steppers...
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[00:13:42] <PCW> Nick001-shop depending on whats driving it you may connect
[00:13:44] <PCW> DIR to DIR and DIR+ to 5V
[00:13:45] <PCW> or
[00:13:47] <PCW> DRI- to GND and DIR to DIR+
[00:14:10] * furrywolf buys more ebay wire
[00:15:10] <PCW> DIR to DIR- and DIR+ to +5V
[00:15:11] <PCW> or
[00:15:13] <PCW> DIR to DIR+ and DIR- to GND
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[00:16:05] <PCW> or DIROUT+ to DIR+ and DIROUT- to DIR- (differential)
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[00:22:33] <furrywolf> grrr. I fucking give up. my internet connection is sucking too badly to even search for cable, much less purchase it.
[00:23:11] <_methods> you still on dialup?
[00:23:32] <furrywolf> worse. 3g.
[00:23:47] <_methods> ouch
[00:24:12] <_methods> no dsl or cable?
[00:24:22] <furrywolf> nope
[00:24:42] <_methods> wow
[00:24:52] <_methods> where the hell you live?
[00:25:01] <furrywolf> far northern california
[00:25:13] <_methods> heheh got weed but no internet
[00:25:41] * furrywolf doesn't like weed
[00:25:43] <Jymmm> with enough weed, you don't need internet
[00:26:02] <_methods> you're livin in the wrong part of the country to not like weed lol
[00:26:41] <_methods> north of eureka or south of eureka?
[00:27:34] <furrywolf> northeast, not by much.
[00:28:03] <_methods> i went to elementary school in ferndale
[00:28:55] <furrywolf> one of the cities I avoid going to. :)
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[00:29:00] <_methods> yeah
[00:29:05] <_methods> not much there
[00:29:15] <_methods> kinetic sculpture race
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[00:29:32] <_methods> and that river run or whatever and that's about it lol
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[00:29:47] <_methods> what river is that? the eel river
[00:29:57] <unfy> rawr
[00:29:57] * furrywolf has been in the KSR several times
[00:30:19] <_methods> yeah that was the best part of livin there
[00:31:18] <furrywolf> the complete and utter lack of industrial supply, on the other hand...
[00:31:59] <_methods> yeah not much around there
[00:32:15] * furrywolf pokes all the people here who might have spare stepper drive cable
[00:33:13] <_methods> i just use regular hook up wire lol
[00:33:27] <furrywolf> for wires that flex continually?
[00:33:35] <_methods> yeah stranded hookup wire
[00:33:39] <furrywolf> and #16/4, not thin stuff...
[00:33:58] <_methods> i just use 18ga
[00:34:15] <_methods> actually i'll just use whatever i grab lol
[00:34:52] <furrywolf> I'm running 9A/phase... #18 just feels a little thin...
[00:35:04] <_methods> yeah you might come up a bit short there lol
[00:35:13] <_methods> 18 probably not going to cut it
[00:35:16] <Jymmm> Home depot carried 18/4 shielded hookup wire
[00:35:18] <_methods> water cooled 18ga
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[00:35:40] <malcom2073> High strand count speaker wire?
[00:36:24] <furrywolf> I suspect the stuff I got on ebay is similar to the home depot stuff... it's obviously intended to be communications cable, not motion control cable. stiff, thin insulation, thick strands.
[00:36:28] <_methods> 14ga should be fine under 15'
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[00:37:10] * _methods has no idea how long your run is going to be
[00:37:10] <Jymmm> You're not talking 9a/ph contonously, if ever
[00:37:38] <furrywolf> runs will be pretty short, under 5ft...
[00:38:33] <furrywolf> however, I haven't had any better luck finding cheap-but-good 18/4 either.
[00:38:45] <_methods> go rip the wiring harness out of your neighbors car
[00:39:01] <furrywolf> car wire, other than special sections, is NOT designed to flex.
[00:39:24] <_methods> so many rules
[00:39:37] <furrywolf> even just the wires to power door locks, windows, etc fail just from opening and closing the doors.
[00:39:46] <Jymmm> They have this by-the-foot in stores
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-500-ft-18-4-CL3R-Shielded-Security-Cable-57573044/202316270
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[00:40:11] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-4-awg-SHIELDED-STRANDED-SECURITY-CABLE-SOLD-BY-THE-FOOT-1-FT-SPEAKER-WIRE-OFC-/171013870651 I suspect that's what the home despot stuff is... and it's junk. that's what I got the first time.
[00:40:51] <Jymmm> how is it junk?
[00:41:19] <PetefromTn_> meh one is 16/4 the other is 18/4
[00:41:25] <furrywolf> it's stiff as fuck, paper thin insulation, and very very coarse stranding. it's designed to be put in a wall and left there, not flexxed.
[00:42:04] <Jymmm> They stuff I have/got was't like tat at all
[00:42:33] <furrywolf> compare it to any proper servo cable, where you'll find fine stranding, thick insulation, and a very tight minimum bend radius even with continuous flexxing. oh, and an actual rating for that, rather than no mention of it.
[00:42:56] <furrywolf> my connection is sucking too badly to load the home depot link it seems... first time timed out, second try just sitting there...
[00:43:17] <_methods> use lynx lol
[00:43:23] <furrywolf> real cable will have braid not foil, too.
[00:43:46] <_methods> i use lynx at work so no one can tell i'm surfin the web
[00:43:55] <Jymmm> and you'll pay he premium price for it
[00:44:00] <furrywolf> the servo cable I have is igus chainflex, and it's much, much better... but it's overkill for this application, as it has two extra separately shielded conductors for a tach, that I don't need.
[00:44:21] <furrywolf> I could just use it and leave the two extra conductors unused, but it's pretty fat because of them and the second shield...
[00:45:38] <Jymmm> I'll pay a premium for coax, but not too much of anything else.
[00:46:09] <furrywolf> ... have you ever built something with wire that needs to flex for every table movement?
[00:46:49] <furrywolf> it's like comparing a cheap stiff plastic extension cord to a nice rubbery soow cable...
[00:46:58] <Jymmm> Yes, but didn't need braided shielding
[00:47:21] <furrywolf> stepper drivers make a lot of noise, and should always have shielded cable.
[00:47:32] <Jymmm> Just just high count strands per lead
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[00:47:36] <Jymmm> used*
[00:47:57] <Jymmm> Yes, I used foil shield, not braided
[00:48:07] <furrywolf> good wire is easy to find... way out of my budget. looking for used/cheap. heh.
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[00:48:47] <furrywolf> all real systems use good wire, and it's available from many wire suppliers... at several bucks a foot!
[00:49:42] <_methods> jumper cables
[00:50:05] <Jymmm> Yes, I have some of that shitty wire I've picked up over the years, I rearly use it. I was just syaing that I only go out of my way for premium coax.
[00:50:49] <furrywolf> http://www.igus.com/wpck/3538/productoverview_CF?C=US&L=en they made the servo cable I have... it's quite nice.
[00:50:51] <Jymmm> Like UV proof, hi flex, direct burrial, doule shielded, hi dielectric
[00:51:19] <furrywolf> unless you're doing a fancy machine vision project, coax doesn't need to continually flex.
[00:52:00] <XXCoder1> 4.1 million, and the most backed project ever
[00:52:01] <Jymmm> IT does when you're rigging up portable stations
[00:52:03] <XXCoder1> hotda
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[00:52:30] <_methods> damn you exploding kittens
[00:52:38] <XXCoder1> it sure exploded.
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[00:52:50] * furrywolf doesn't see why
[00:53:04] <XXCoder1> its magic. theoatmeal magic
[00:53:04] <furrywolf> the gameplay seems stupid, the art sucks, the concept is mean to kitties...
[00:53:21] <LeelooMinai> So perfect?
[00:53:22] <furrywolf> very little strategy, mostly luck of the draw.
[00:53:41] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> That's a lot of choices. controlling directly from parport with linux cnc
[00:54:47] <PCW> from a parport:
[00:54:48] <PCW> ParportDIR --> DIR-
[00:54:50] <PCW> DIR+ to +5V
[00:56:05] <PCW> (for step connect the same but make sure you invert the step output in stepconf/HAL since ts active low when wired this way)
[00:57:18] <Nick001-shop> do I get the +5v from a usb connector
[00:57:35] <PCW> thats a safe way
[00:58:01] * furrywolf got an isolated 24v-5v dc-dc, not wanting to use a usb cable
[00:58:13] <PCW> the unsafe way is from a disk connector :-)
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[00:59:54] <PCW> it _may_ work the other way but parallel ports usually sink current much better than they source current
[01:02:09] <Nick001-shop> ok - will try it out in the morning - the unit is a HY-DIV268N-%a
[01:02:47] <Nick001-shop> 5A
[01:03:06] <Nick001-shop> Dinner time bye for now
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[03:00:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pml-pal.com/Accessories/air-collet-closer/ Gonna need something like this soon hopefully LOL
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[03:08:22] <PetefromTn_> anyone ever built one of these things from scratch? does not seem like it would be all that difficult once you have a CNC lathe...
[03:11:36] * furrywolf has seen a special collet for holding a dildo to an air cylinder, if that counts
[03:15:25] <furrywolf> http://www.mylovemachine.com/images/jetaime/option-extender.jpg google images++ :P
[03:17:04] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dunhamtool.com/products/cd0034.gif
[03:22:11] <unfy> as... "my love machine" ... that is just wrong
[03:22:13] <unfy> just wrong.
[03:22:29] <furrywolf> why's that?
[03:22:38] <unfy> i'm not posting porn links here :P
[03:24:01] <Jymmm> only got crappy porn huh? YEah, I wouldn't post that either.
[03:24:10] <unfy> XD
[03:24:17] * furrywolf doesn't like porn
[03:24:37] <furrywolf> I do, however, like love machines. too bad they're stupidly expensive, and generally huge and awkward. I should invent a non-sucky one.
[03:27:48] <furrywolf> probably a hollow cylindrical linear actuator with the dildo in the middle of it... much, much more compact than the crank-based systems they all use, since the dildo can retract into the actuator.
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[03:28:56] <furrywolf> linear motor is compact, crank and crosshead bearing not so.
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[03:33:53] <renesis> how do you not like porn
[03:34:05] <furrywolf> why would I want to look at pictures of people having sex?
[03:34:05] <Vertices> female
[03:34:23] <renesis> there is porn for females who dont like porn
[03:34:32] <renesis> there is porn of everything for everyone
[03:34:41] <renesis> so how can you not like porn!?
[03:34:52] * Vertices watching physics porn
[03:34:54] <renesis> anyway, machines dont have to be big and awkward
[03:34:55] <furrywolf> see above question.
[03:35:14] <renesis> because you can look at videos of people having sex
[03:35:27] <renesis> because it makes your brain release chemicals that get you horny
[03:35:41] <furrywolf> ... why would I want to look at pictures, videos, or prose of people having sex? there, happy?
[03:36:00] <renesis> mostly to get off
[03:36:10] <renesis> thats why most people do it
[03:36:14] <PetefromTn_> http://smg.photobucket.com/user/aboard_epsilon/media/drawbar/dbar3.jpg.html
[03:36:24] * furrywolf doesn't find it interesting
[03:36:37] <renesis> thats a sexy bearing assembly
[03:36:46] <renesis> furrywolf: yeah, wrong porn then keep looking
[03:36:55] <renesis> anyway, you can get a little machine
[03:37:02] <furrywolf> or maybe, you know, I just don't care for porn?
[03:37:06] <renesis> sometimes theyre more useful
[03:37:26] <renesis> because you can throw it in the trunk of a volvo or the back of a hatchback and gtfo
[03:37:58] <renesis> furrywolf: okay well im answering your swuestion litterally because youre pretending to be naive
[03:38:13] <renesis> you would look at it to get horny to get off
[03:38:44] <renesis> swuestion (c) rencorp 2015
[03:39:51] <renesis> guys know anyplace online that fabs rack chassis?
[03:40:08] <furrywolf> I've never seen a really little machine...
http://www.mylovemachine.com/sex-machines/PD376200-portable-sex-machine.html is the smallest I've seen yet.
[03:40:18] <renesis> or maybe some decent off the shelf broken down units
[03:40:39] <furrywolf> doesn't seem to mention what the stroke is
[03:40:54] <renesis> oh sorry i was confused i thought you meant the machine to make the sex machine
[03:41:01] <renesis> you just meant the sex machine
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[03:41:53] <furrywolf> ... the machine to make a sex machine? that would be a machining center, probably. :P
[03:42:02] <renesis> programmable motion profiles would be pretty neat
[03:42:21] <renesis> well yeah thats what i was saying, you could get a little machine tool
[03:42:27] <furrywolf> perhaps, but as far as I know, they're all crank-based...
[03:42:36] <furrywolf> I have a little machine tool... it's a sherline. :)
[03:42:46] <renesis> im sorry =(
[03:43:07] <furrywolf> http://www.sherline.com/mills.htm
[03:43:10] <furrywolf> ?
[03:43:54] <renesis> i have a taig, sherlines always looked goofy, bunch of people i knew talked shit when i picked out my mill
[03:44:07] <furrywolf> the sherline is an excellent mill... it's just tiny.
[03:44:16] <furrywolf> I got a shoptask mill/lathe combo as my current project.
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[03:45:10] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg looks like that. (or, well, looked like that... I've gotten one stepper on!)
[03:45:20] <PetefromTn_> http://penntoolco.blogspot.com/2012/05/royal-5c-pneumatic-collet-closer-for.html
[03:45:53] <renesis> http://www.chicagopartsnetwork.com/By-Location-/Elk-Grove-Village-/Welding-Machines-and-MIG-/Taig-cnc-mill-metal-milling-machine-router-engraver-imgpic.jpg
[03:46:30] <renesis> i have that guy, its built onto two big square iron tubes
[03:46:55] <furrywolf> my shoptask is a lot bigger than the sherline... I think I can fit the sherline inside of it. heh.
[03:47:09] <renesis> ground rotating mating surface where they meet so you can tram the column
[03:47:17] <furrywolf> biggest problem with the shoptask is only 3" of Z, and overall chinese build and design quality.
[03:47:48] <renesis> the place i work on breaks has one of those from previous engineering peoples
[03:48:23] <PetefromTn_> http://s72.photobucket.com/user/miltons_stuff/media/PneumaticCloser.jpg.html
[03:48:24] <renesis> no one uses it, has a lot of tooling but they kind of use the space for storage now so cant really get to it and use it
[03:48:31] <furrywolf> I wouldn't use it on brakes... I have a brake lathe for that! two, actually. (one for drums, one on-vehicle one for rotors)
[03:48:45] <furrywolf> renesis: so no one will miss any parts you remove and ship to me, then?
[03:49:41] <renesis> not back there until summer, but likely not
[03:49:49] <furrywolf> heh
[03:49:54] <renesis> dunno if its same machine, if not its close
[03:49:58] <furrywolf> good, I need a new tailstock handwheel, and some other bits. :P
[03:50:16] <renesis> can negotiate
[03:53:03] <furrywolf> is yours cnc or manual?
[03:53:40] <renesis> cnc, open loop stepper
[03:53:55] <furrywolf> same as mine will be when I get it working, then.
[03:54:00] <renesis> maybe one day i will buy it some limit and home switches
[03:54:19] <furrywolf> ... exact same. lol
[03:54:28] * furrywolf has that on the "one day" list too
[03:54:31] <PetefromTn_> I'm thinking some kind of wheel bearing/tapered roller bearing equipped tubular shaft with a sleeve machined to accept the bearings like a hub and then adapt the cylinder to that hub with another bearing reversed against a threaded end large nut for adjustments...
[03:55:05] * furrywolf is too tired to picture what pete just described
[03:55:10] <renesis> wot
[03:55:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pml-pal.com/uploads/images/Closer/005-web-ready.jpg
[03:57:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.travers.com/Travers%20Images/Current%20eSales%20Images/600x600/69-500-440.jpg
[03:57:23] <furrywolf> what about something simple, like a regular drawbar with a drum and a band brake, and just use the spindle forward/reverse with the brake on to tighten/loosen the collet?
[04:00:21] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OUTBACK-POWER-SYSTEMS-INVERTOR-FX-12-Volt-110-VAC-/201274404281 good deal if someone needs an inverter. (will likely sell FAST at that price)
[04:10:34] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
[04:10:43] <unfy> _methods : still here ?
[04:13:46] <furrywolf> no one in this channel to curl up on. :(
[04:16:39] <unfy> he had posted a link to some eyeglass frame mounted jewlers loops eye piece things. i watched the demo videos on the page for it...
[04:17:17] <unfy> the second video -- whenever the guy was looking through it, he had a hand on the side of the frame to stablize it
[04:17:24] <unfy> making it rather useless
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[14:56:19] <JT-Shop> could a gladevcp button open a file like the file open does in axis?
[14:58:36] <cradek> not really
[14:59:04] <cradek> halui doesn't have the ability to open a file, and if it did, it wouldn't appear in the other guis automatically
[14:59:05] <JT-Shop> I'd have to use the python interface to do that?
[14:59:07] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
[14:59:37] <JT-Shop> open a G code generator fill in the blanks and then on exit send the G code to Axis
[15:00:03] <JT-Shop> I've done it several times with my G code generators but I'm looking for a button to open the generator up
[15:00:04] <cradek> hm, we had some examples that did that
[15:00:25] <archivist> add to the menubar
[15:01:03] <JT-Shop> add to menubar using .axisrc?
[15:01:15] <cradek> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .py Python Script
[15:01:18] <cradek> py = python
[15:01:28] <cradek> it was this scheme (python as an input filter for .py files)
[15:01:38] <cradek> then see e.g. nc_files/holecircle.py
[15:01:39] <JT-Shop> yes, that is what I use
[15:01:44] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:01:53] <cradek> it pops up a gui and then eventually generates gcode
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[16:06:21] <PetefromTn_> hello linuxCNC
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[17:05:51] <gonzo_nb> nogs
[17:06:07] <gonzo_nb> bombe was boring. they need to be killed
[17:06:46] <gonzo_nb> pft, wrong window.....
[17:07:24] <archivist> we were wondering
[17:08:43] <gonzo_nb> bombe was refering to the crypto cracking machines at bletchley park
[17:09:45] <archivist> been there
[17:09:57] <gonzo_nb> great pieces of engineering, which apparently were considered looked boring by some film producers
[17:10:36] <gonzo_nb> the producers therefore have lost all rights to oxygen
[17:11:06] <gonzo_nb> did you see the collosus rebuild?
[17:11:36] <archivist> last time I was down was the first VCFuk
[17:12:35] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_06_19_Bletchley_Park_VCFUK/IMG_0724.JPG
[17:12:57] <archivist> so that would be a yes
[17:13:40] <gonzo_nb> hehe, I havr dozens of pics of it
[17:14:01] <gonzo_nb> what supprised me, that it runs every day as an exhibit
[17:15:10] <archivist> larger objects can be better kept running than as stuffed and mounted
[17:17:02] <gonzo_nb> they said they will run it that way till they are forced to make it a static display
[17:17:59] <gonzo_nb> I even took pics of the punch tapes, so I could transcribe the data later and see what the coded text was
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[17:19:20] <archivist> just ask them for a copy tape, it wouldnt surprise me if the Elliott could print one out
[17:19:36] <gonzo_nb> that is probably a measure of sadness!
[17:20:02] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bletchley
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[17:20:34] <gonzo_nb> they were giving out strips of punch tape to the kids with a little look up guide to read it. When they explained what it was, My daughter just r
[17:21:03] <gonzo_nb> rolled her eyes and explained we have a teletype in the living room
[17:21:35] <archivist> last image, I got caught by a journalist and they used that on the BBC web site
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[17:21:53] <gonzo_nb> one of the other lads with me just started reading the tape by sight
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[17:23:35] <gonzo_nb> that is quite a beard!
[17:24:29] <malcom2073> Heh, that is pretty much spot on how I would imagine someone with the handle "archivist" to look like.
[17:24:45] <gonzo_nb> definitly a machinests look
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[17:26:36] <archivist> was funny having to steal the image off
http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=vintage+computer+festival+bletchley&sa_f=search-serp
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[18:26:54] <pjm> gonzo_nb:
http://pjm.uhf-satcom.com/typex.jpg yesterdays type-X cipher machine
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[18:32:34] <JT-Shop> it's such a nice day I'm going to ride in the woods for a while
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[18:32:57] <norias> new hardware for my first linuxcnc came today
[18:33:02] <norias> exciting!
[18:33:28] <PetefromTn_> congrats...
[18:33:38] <PetefromTn_> and JT enjoy your woods ride LOL
[18:36:15] <norias> so far i've just got the computer part
[18:36:16] <icecube45> Hello! Does anyone here have linuxcnc running with a delta printer?
[18:36:23] <norias> and i'm waiting on the mesa cards
[18:36:31] <norias> (and downloading linuxcnc)
[18:37:09] <PetefromTn_> mesa cards is a good choice I have two sets just started working on the second retrofit now...
[18:38:41] <dr0w> icecube45: that kind of seems like using a crescent wrench to drive framing nails
[18:38:50] <icecube45> dr0w, I know :(
[18:39:05] <norias> hm
[18:39:16] <icecube45> dr0w, I'd be using something else.. but I obtained a delta with a bebopr++ control board (for free, so can't refuse)
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[18:39:27] <icecube45> dr0w, and bebopr++ only seems to support linuxcnc
[18:39:28] <norias> why would linuxcnc for a delta be so bad?
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[18:40:50] <dr0w> not bad, just maybe not linear
[18:40:52] <Rab> icecube45,
http://blog.machinekit.io/2013/07/linear-delta-kinematics.html
[18:41:12] <icecube45> haha! thanks Rab!
[18:41:24] <icecube45> I'll need to modify it, as my printer isnt a typical delta (gus simpson)
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[18:56:38] <_methods> so with the mesa cards can i use the existing servo amps and stuff on a machine?
[18:57:03] <norias> that's what i've been told
[18:57:09] <norias> (and will be doing this week)
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[18:59:51] <_methods> our plasma electronics are starting to get kinda sketchy and i'd love to have real ATHC on it
[19:00:23] <norias> what's an athc?
[19:00:32] <_methods> torch height control
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[19:00:51] <_methods> PCW: can i use this existing with one of your boards?
[19:01:06] <_methods> http://imgur.com/0XMn13P,iMjrPJu,OvcC95c,3Mt9ldY,0xDz9Ft,BYZXStM
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[19:02:08] <pcw_home> probably, looks like a standard analog servo drive.
[19:02:26] <_methods> i think its' yaskawa but i couldn't find anything
[19:02:30] <_methods> no model numbers
[19:03:33] <_methods> i'm just doing the initial research but it makes us plenty nervous i'd like to make it more reliable
[19:03:37] <pcw_home> Hmm reading the labels maybe no
[19:03:42] <pcw_home> not
[19:03:49] <_methods> komatsu just wants to sell us a new plasma
[19:03:56] <_methods> they don't want to support it anymore
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[19:04:17] <MrSunshine> linuxcnc always reads the full file when loading a file right ?
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[19:06:18] <pcw_home> the bottom connector sort of looks like a analog drive ( COMMAND+ andCOMMAND- )
[19:06:40] <_methods> kk
[19:07:30] <_methods> what information would i need to get off of all this stuff to make a better assessment?
[19:07:34] <pcw_home> so where does the top connector go, motor or controller?
[19:07:50] <_methods> i'd have to chase it out
[19:07:57] <_methods> the RST one?
[19:08:22] <pcw_home> No thats the motor windings
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[19:09:01] <pcw_home> I meant the next to the top (with the sin/cos/ref)
[19:09:02] <_methods> the one with TS GND on the top?
[19:09:07] <_methods> yeah i'll have to go look
[19:09:11] <pcw_home> yes
[19:09:14] <_methods> i think that goes to the pci card
[19:09:19] <_methods> in teh computer controlling it
[19:09:52] <_methods> i just grabbed a couple quick pics to see what you thought about it
[19:10:01] <_methods> if it was even possible i'll get better pics
[19:10:19] <pcw_home> A part number would help a lot
[19:10:38] <_methods> sure i'll get all that
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[19:11:34] <_methods> seems like everyone in here replaces all that stuff i just wasn't sure how feasible using existing is
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[19:22:37] <_methods> pcw_home: its a mts automation pack
[19:22:48] <_methods> 3 ac-07-s amps
[19:23:27] <_methods> and 1 cp-03-15s-s
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[19:27:17] <pcw_home> Ha! standard analog drives
[19:27:24] <_methods> that's a good thing then
[19:27:38] <pcw_home> Parker has the manuals
[19:27:43] <_methods> yeah
[19:27:52] <PetefromTn_> jeez man parker has it's fingers in everything LOL
[19:27:53] <_methods> i'm trying to find the right manual there though
[19:27:56] <_methods> yep
[19:28:33] <pcw_home> the second connector goes to the motor (it has a resolver)
[19:29:07] <pcw_home> the (DB9?) encoder connector is emulated encoder out from the drive
[19:33:21] <pcw_home> http://www.parkermotion.com/dmxreadyv2/faqsmanager/faqsmanager.asp?question=223
[19:33:23] <pcw_home> bbl
[19:33:29] <_methods> thx pcw_home
[19:33:55] <_methods> yeah that's where i was
[19:34:11] <_methods> trying to find the manual for the cp-03-15s-s
[19:36:07] <_methods> guess that's just the power distribution portion
[19:40:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: What do you think?
http://www.fasttech.com/products/3031/10004998/1390605-evod-6-in-1-rechargeable-1300mah-electronic
[19:40:14] <_methods> wow would be nice to get to retrofit a linuxcnc machine at work
[19:41:08] <Jymmm> _methods: Yeah, TurboCNC Rulez!!! YAY MS-DOS
[19:41:17] <_methods> hehe
[19:42:02] <Jymmm> Technically, it is faster.
[19:42:09] <_methods> it's turbo
[19:42:24] <Jymmm> No, it really is faster than LCNC
[19:42:50] <_methods> wtf is turbocnc i thought you were just jokin
[19:43:12] <Jymmm> http://www.dakeng.com/turbo.html
[19:43:22] <PetefromTn_> my friend Art uses turboCNC and I have been trying to convert him but he likes it and has been using it for a long time now hehe
[19:43:48] <PetefromTn_> it is a pretty basic system tho apparently
[19:44:11] <PetefromTn_> does not support a lot of things LinuxCNC does like Constant surface speed etc..
[19:44:14] <cradek> back in the early days I recall several people switching from turbocnc to linuxcnc because they wanted to cut helixes (like mill threads)
[19:44:18] <Jymmm> Yep, ascii art based.
[19:44:36] <cradek> why switch before you need to
[19:44:37] <_methods> lol the parallel port explained
[19:44:52] <_methods> Setting up Windows 9x to boot directly into MS-DOS
[19:45:28] <Jymmm> Works great on a 286 laptop too =)
[19:46:34] <Jymmm> I wonder if those BBB and the like could run it?
[19:46:50] <Jymmm> dedicated machine operation?
[19:47:02] <PetefromTn_> I can't remember if it supports cutter compensation or not... there were some things we have discussed that it does not do
[19:47:03] <_methods> msdos on bbb
[19:47:27] <Rab> Guessing not, it's a different architecture. You'd have to run a DOS emulator compiled for ARM, I think.
[19:47:28] <Jymmm> _methods: nfc, just wndering
[19:47:38] <Jymmm> Rab: ah
[19:47:52] <Rab> It might be a great fit for a native x86 platform like the Intel Edison!
[19:47:55] <Jymmm> It is what it is =)
[19:48:19] <_methods> turbocnc.............
[19:48:19] <PetefromTn_> why do you say that it is faster? What about it is faster?
[19:48:21] <Rab> And, of course, you need to have i/o comprehensible as a parport under DOS.
[19:48:23] <_methods> i know what you are now
[19:48:40] <_methods> TurboCNC can be run from a floppy disk
[19:48:54] <_methods> you win turbocnc
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[19:49:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: step/dir 120 vs 80 as example
[19:49:05] <Rab> They give you the source code if you register it, so you could maybe patch for 2015-era embedded hardware i/o.
[19:49:30] <PetefromTn_> hm
[19:49:40] <Jymmm> Rab: If you know Pascal. It's been a LONG time since I touched pascal
[19:50:05] <PetefromTn_> all I know is that art loves it because it is not written in C programming language he HATES C..
[19:50:18] <Jymmm> hahaha
[19:50:48] <LeelooMinai> Your friend has appropriate first name it seems
[19:51:21] <Jymmm> _methods: Yeah, it's small =)
[19:51:35] <PetefromTn_> I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere but since I know jack about programming unfortunately it went right over my head
[19:51:50] <Jymmm> _methods: and no memory managers need to be loaded, all built in.
[19:53:26] <Jymmm> I wonder if you could PXE boot DOS? lol
[19:53:47] <_methods> why not lol
[19:53:50] <cradek> I used to boot dos using boot roms on ethernet cards (they used to have a socket)
[19:53:57] <cradek> I'm sure you can do it with pxe nowadays
[19:54:06] <_methods> freedos
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[19:54:10] <Jymmm> cradek: OH GAWD... I remember those! lol
[19:54:32] <Jymmm> cradek: I might still have one around here somewhere ut no chip
[19:54:38] <cradek> my mill was run by a diskless dos machine for a while, actually
[19:57:03] <Jymmm> Cool, someone used it to make a animatronics
http://www.dakeng.com/gallery.html bottom of page
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[19:57:21] <Jymmm> What a slick idea.
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[19:58:45] <_methods> wow you can make that creepy doll with turbocnc
[19:58:51] <_methods> and run it on a floppy
[19:58:53] <_methods> sign me up
[19:59:18] <_methods> they should do a kickstarter
[19:59:36] <MrHindsight> I want one made of meat
[19:59:39] <_methods> change their name to kittencnc
[19:59:51] <_methods> explodingkittenCNC
[20:00:18] <_methods> hmmmm maybe i should make a cnc called teh explodingkittenCNC
[20:01:05] <norias> making bootable usb now
[20:01:08] <norias> :)
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[20:03:00] <Rab> Guessing your BIOS needs to support the USB device as a fake floppy.
[20:03:28] <PetefromTn_> damn those fork braces are pretty slick looking...
[20:04:01] <Rab> The ideal boot process would set up a ram drive, and copy everything into it. Then TurboCNC could run EVEN FASTER.
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[20:18:14] <Loetmichel> *HRMPF* there did the PC go... not even BSOD, just deadlock... had to reset. And on restart you could hear the HDD spin up, *CLICK* spindown. spin up, *CLICK* spindown. spin up, *CLICK* spindown. until i hitted it. now it works :)
[20:19:49] <jdh> WD stiction
[20:20:33] <_methods> hehe
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[20:22:19] <norias> hmm
[20:22:27] <norias> can't convince this thing to boot from usb
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[20:25:58] <cradek> norias: I have had good luck on two machines with
http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html
[20:26:59] <Loetmichel> jdh: i think its one of the ~10 molex-power-y-adapters in line with the disks supply. not the disk itself
[20:27:26] <PetefromTn_> actually turned out to be a nice day here today despite being kinda chilly...
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[20:29:30] <jdh> I biked 30 miles at 28f ladt night. pretty chilly
[20:29:54] <PetefromTn_> on what kind of bike?
[20:30:16] <_methods> hopefully a heated one
[20:30:29] <jdh> Lynskey Sportive
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[20:32:43] <CaptHindsight> is Jepler off for the year after all the time he put in the last year or two?
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[21:20:27] <norias> hmm
[21:21:51] <FinboySlick> norias: Do you get to the kernel?
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[21:22:08] <FinboySlick> If you jam after the kernel, you can simply add a root_delay=
[21:22:26] <FinboySlick> Typically USB isn't ready by the time the kernel wants to mount /
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[21:22:51] <norias> not even close
[21:23:01] <norias> so, i went and formatted the USB
[21:23:11] <norias> and i'm putting an ISO on with a different software
[21:23:24] <norias> using the one from pendrivelinux
[21:24:05] <norias> close to giving it another go
[21:25:30] <norias> there we go
[21:25:35] <norias> booting into debian
[21:29:45] <_methods> unetbootin
[21:30:04] <_methods> i've always had good luck with usb drives i make with that
[21:30:49] <FinboySlick> The gentoo minimal install CD along with RIPLinux all work quite well if you just dd the iso onto the usb stick.
[21:33:00] <cradek> the debian iso is also written to usb with dd or equivalent
[21:36:00] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:43:31] <norias> debian installer seems really stuck on using a CD
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[21:45:02] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: thank you!
[21:45:15] <zeeshan> that is a lot of photopolymer you sent :)
[21:45:59] <adb> norias, useing english language ?
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767968
[21:47:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: no problem
[21:48:12] <CaptHindsight> 100grams
[21:48:40] <CaptHindsight> I was half asleep and marked it 100mg
[21:48:44] <zeeshan> hahahaha
[21:48:57] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: is there instructions in there for use
[21:48:59] <zeeshan> i saw a msds
[21:49:07] <zeeshan> i briefly saw the package
[21:49:09] <zeeshan> had to leave
[21:49:37] <zeeshan> just need to know how much ambient light exposure is ok
[21:49:40] <CaptHindsight> I'll be back later but don't open it or use it in anything other than a dim room
[21:49:42] <zeeshan> like i hope i dont have spin coat this in the dark
[21:49:58] <zeeshan> okay
[21:50:10] <CaptHindsight> dim, for a few minutes is ok
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[21:50:16] <CaptHindsight> not for 8 hours
[21:50:48] <CaptHindsight> it cures from UV up to ~500nm Blue/green
[21:51:05] <CaptHindsight> be back later
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> ok well talk later
[21:51:12] <zeeshan> we'll
[21:51:27] <CaptHindsight> it also turns from the orange to white after curing
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[21:53:15] <zeeshan> thats sweet
[21:53:18] <zeeshan> so ill know if its cured
[21:53:34] <zeeshan> youre the best!
[21:57:44] <norias> hmm
[21:57:59] <norias> hate to be that guy
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[21:58:13] <norias> but i can't seem to get the ubuntu installer to be ok with not having a cd drive
[21:58:15] <norias> any ideas?
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[21:59:41] <adb> virtualbox ?
[21:59:55] <norias> ?
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[22:00:48] <adb> install ubuntu in virtualbox
[22:01:25] <adb> google it ...
[22:01:35] <cradek> are you using the linuxcnc debian hybrid iso?
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[22:01:37] <norias> a vm?
[22:01:41] <norias> i am
[22:01:43] <cradek> it absolutely does not need a cd
[22:01:51] <norias> right on
[22:01:52] <cradek> it installs from usb
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[22:02:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, the UV paint i got is in a blackened glass jar
[22:02:27] <Tom_itx> in a dark room when stored
[22:02:49] <zeeshan> do photo development labs
[22:02:56] <zeeshan> have spin coaters as standard equipment?
[22:03:01] * zeeshan has never used one
[22:03:02] <zeeshan> or seen one
[22:03:12] <Tom_itx> not a 'dark room' as such... just a dark room :)
[22:03:35] <zeeshan> i have it stored in a cabinet right now
[22:03:39] <zeeshan> that has no windfows :P
[22:06:53] <norias> its the whole "Detect and Mount a CD-ROM" step thats throwng everything for a loop
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[22:20:45] <norias> hmm
[22:20:52] <norias> this used to be 1000x easier
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[22:28:34] <PCW> I just made a usb stick image and it boot on most things
[22:28:35] <PCW> what CPU do you have?
[22:32:28] <zeeshan> PCW: have you used the 1900 mobo?
[22:32:41] <zeeshan> j1900
[22:33:06] <norias> eh
[22:33:09] <norias> worked this time
[22:33:13] <zeeshan> i have a silly Q for you guys
[22:33:23] <zeeshan> why does mari tool say to not use loctite
[22:33:25] <norias> i'm using q1900 asrock
[22:33:28] <zeeshan> or if using it, use it sparingly?
[22:33:35] <zeeshan> norias: is it quick?
[22:33:41] <zeeshan> im looking to replace my athlon xp 3200 cpu
[22:33:44] <zeeshan> w/ that celeron cpu
[22:33:49] <norias> seems pretty quick
[22:33:58] <zeeshan> my thing lags
[22:34:02] <zeeshan> when opening firefox.
[22:34:04] <zeeshan> its retarded!
[22:34:20] <zeeshan> like to get an idea, when you click firefox open
[22:34:22] <zeeshan> how long does it take?
[22:36:12] <zeeshan> This is to ensure lock tight is located towards the strongest area of the tool holder and will not be able to bulge tool holder taper if it should happen to expand. Use sparingly.
[22:36:16] <zeeshan> damn hydraulics!
[22:36:50] <norias> partitioning now
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[22:37:01] <norias> problem seemed to be cause by my method of creating the bootable USB
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[23:08:56] <norias> debian install process
[23:09:00] <norias> has definitely declined
[23:09:25] <norias> used to be waaay easier
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[23:10:43] <jack16> I think it's pretty easy.
[23:11:05] <jack16> Mint install is more streamlined, yes.
[23:13:28] <cradek> you use dd to make the usb
[23:13:36] <cradek> if you'd say more about what is going wrong, maybe someone would have some advice
[23:14:18] <cradek> there are only about 4 questions it asks - I do not see how it can be much easier
[23:14:39] <cradek> if it can't find a hard disk to install to, you should check your bios settings
[23:17:03] <zeeshan-mill> is a cat40
[23:17:08] <zeeshan-mill> supposed to slip without the dog keys in?
[23:17:10] <andypugh> I had to use an actual DVD with my Lathe PC
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[23:17:46] <andypugh> zeeshan: I don’t think it is intended as a driving taper
[23:17:54] <zeeshan-mill> yea
[23:17:58] <zeeshan-mill> its not like mt or r8
[23:18:01] <andypugh> Though there are keyless variants for super-high speed
[23:18:16] <zeeshan-mill> im just trying this tool holder for the first time
[23:18:18] <zeeshan-mill> had to pull the keys out
[23:18:23] <zeeshan-mill> cause theyre not spaced right
[23:18:37] <zeeshan-mill> theyre 1.861 apart current
[23:18:40] <zeeshan-mill> er 1.841
[23:18:47] <zeeshan-mill> but cat is 1.860
[23:18:50] <zeeshan-mill> trying to reshift them
[23:18:56] <andypugh> It’s not the asymmetric version is it?
[23:18:59] <cradek> on cat the keys are different - are they in the wrong sides?
[23:19:32] <andypugh> SK40 has two different-depth slots and a notch.
[23:19:42] <zeeshan-mill> |___|<----------1.841----------->|___|
[23:19:43] <zeeshan-mill> side view
[23:19:48] <zeeshan-mill> these are symmetric
[23:20:20] <andypugh> My mill was built as 30-INT then became BT30 when I added a stud-puller then became SK30 when I got 25 SK30 holders cheaply :-)
[23:20:28] <cradek> are you sure it's cat? in cat I'm pretty sure one is closer to the taper than the other
[23:20:32] <zeeshan-mill> no its not cat
[23:20:37] <zeeshan-mill> its iso40 din2080
[23:20:40] <zeeshan-mill> im using cat holders
[23:20:42] <zeeshan-mill> with a conversion knob
[23:20:46] <cradek> oh!
[23:20:54] <zeeshan-mill> youre right about cat40 spindle
[23:21:40] <malcom2073> That's what I want to do to my ISO-30, add a studd puller instead of the impact on it right now
[23:23:39] <zeeshan-mill> fak youre right cradek
[23:23:46] <zeeshan-mill> the actual cat40 tool holder is not symmetric
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[23:23:47] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[23:24:06] <andypugh> malcom2073:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical-mill-lathe-project-log/109301-cnc-post805228.html#post805228
[23:24:14] <zeeshan-mill> .342 slot one side
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[23:24:31] <zeeshan-mill> .241 the other side
[23:24:33] <zeeshan-mill> 100 thou smaller
[23:25:34] <malcom2073> andypugh: nice
[23:25:40] <Bushman> https://imgur.com/gallery/OkcJWk9
[23:25:41] <anonimasu> zeeshan-mill: I have the holder pic for you
[23:25:43] <anonimasu> err stuf
[23:25:47] <anonimasu> stud
[23:25:55] <andypugh> The video link is messed up, here is the working link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxrzJ_KfcQ0
[23:27:22] <zeeshan-mill> are the keys supposed to be clearance fit
[23:27:25] <zeeshan-mill> on the tool holder
[23:27:35] <andypugh> I think so, yes.
[23:27:57] <zeeshan-mill> theres like 20 thou gap
[23:28:00] <zeeshan-mill> between the dog teeth
[23:28:02] <zeeshan-mill> and holder slot
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[23:28:28] <malcom2073> andypugh: Very nice, that's exactly what I want to do :)
[23:29:08] <andypugh> I got lucky that the drawbar hole was quite large.
[23:29:32] <malcom2073> andypugh: Mine looks like it's got plenty of room, looking up the spindle, but I won't be able to tell until I take the impact setup off and look at it
[23:30:18] <malcom2073> Well, not a *lot*,
http://mikesshop.net/mill/image013.jpg
[23:31:39] <andypugh> Looks plausible.
[23:31:49] <zeeshan> i would really appreciate help!! :D
[23:32:09] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16203896138/
[23:32:13] <andypugh> 20 thou gap sounds relatively small.
[23:32:23] <zeeshan> is this normal?!
[23:32:42] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16365544916/in/photostream/
[23:32:44] <zeeshan> on the other side
[23:32:48] <zeeshan> i cant get the key on cause its too long
[23:32:55] <andypugh> I think that they normally look wrong, yes :-)
[23:32:56] <zeeshan> towards the axis of the spindle
[23:33:04] <zeeshan> well
[23:33:09] <zeeshan> that gap is what worries me :P
[23:33:13] <zeeshan> i thought it was supposed to sit flush
[23:33:21] <zeeshan> but i guess that doesnt logically make sense cause then it wouldnt be seated on the taper
[23:33:55] <andypugh> There is a taper that seats on face and taper, but BT / CAT etc don’t.
[23:34:10] <zeeshan> okay good
[23:34:13] <zeeshan> so my choices are
[23:34:16] <zeeshan> either modify the tool holder
[23:34:23] <zeeshan> mill 20 thou of it
[23:34:25] <zeeshan> or mill the key..
[23:34:28] <andypugh> Just shorten the key.
[23:34:29] <zeeshan> key seems easier!
[23:34:39] <andypugh> (I faced mine off on the lathe)
[23:34:44] <zeeshan> yea thats what i mgonna do
[23:34:49] <zeeshan> but damn it i gotta put the 4 jaw on!!!
[23:35:32] <zeeshan> i was thinking of putting it inthe 4 jaw and dialing the side that im about to face with an indicator to be flat
[23:35:33] <zeeshan> and then just face it
[23:35:37] <zeeshan> concentricity doesnt really matter
[23:36:03] * zeeshan is just going to mill with 2 key
[23:36:05] <zeeshan> *1 key
[23:36:42] <andypugh> I like the 4-jaw because there is no need to indicate, thinks aways get held square.
[23:37:08] <zeeshan> you might have a nice 4 jaw!
[23:37:16] <zeeshan> i think mine has slightly tapered jaws
[23:37:34] <zeeshan> so it has a tendency to move the axis of the part slightly to angle to the spindle axis
[23:38:11] <zeeshan> anonimasu: just got your pics
[23:38:17] <zeeshan> your pull stud is completely different! :P
[23:38:43] <cradek> that picture looks fine
[23:38:44] <zeeshan> do you mind if i post these on my flickr?
[23:38:49] <cradek> the flange shouldn't touch the spindle
[23:38:49] <zeeshan> so bobo can see also when he comes on
[23:38:59] <zeeshan> cradek okay perfect
[23:39:00] <cradek> the key should be narrower than the slot - it just keeps it all from spinning
[23:39:02] <zeeshan> is the key height okay?
[23:39:02] <anonimasu> no problem
[23:39:31] <cradek> I think it usually doesn't even use the keys if your tapers are in good shape
[23:39:32] <anonimasu> I were going to take a panorama of the shop but I'll do it when I climb the maho someday :p
[23:39:46] <zeeshan> cradek: i can spin the taper by hand
[23:39:54] <zeeshan> i blued the tool holder
[23:39:54] <anonimasu> I can assure you they use bith
[23:39:56] <anonimasu> both
[23:39:57] <zeeshan> and i can see its making contact
[23:40:00] <zeeshan> on the taper
[23:40:03] <zeeshan> fairly evenly
[23:40:04] <cradek> with the drawbar engaged??
[23:40:08] <zeeshan> yea
[23:40:11] <cradek> that ain't right
[23:40:16] <anonimasu> that's wrong
[23:40:24] <zeeshan> hm :(
[23:40:24] <anonimasu> both the taper, but the pins are driving too.
[23:40:33] <cradek> blue it up and find out what's not working right
[23:40:43] <zeeshan> but i can see lines
[23:40:45] <zeeshan> on the taper
[23:40:49] <zeeshan> lemme do it again and take a pic
[23:40:50] <cradek> ?
[23:40:58] <anonimasu> mhm, I think you need to adjust the pullstud
[23:43:22] <zeeshan-mill> ha
[23:43:24] <zeeshan-mill> i think your right
[23:43:30] <zeeshan-mill> i just noticed the top of the pull stud
[23:43:39] <zeeshan-mill> i can see its hitting something
[23:43:56] <anonimasu> if the maho spindle is the same I have measurements
[23:44:08] <zeeshan-mill> you have a diff pull stud
[23:45:02] <zeeshan-mill> it takes about 10 - 15 lbf of force
[23:45:05] <zeeshan-mill> to rotate thing thing
[23:45:12] <zeeshan-mill> rotate the tool holder
[23:45:35] <zeeshan-mill> 1.5 dist so 15ft-lb
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[23:47:01] <anonimasu> it should be totally impossible to move
[23:48:28] <andypugh> The pull-stud is probably bottoming out in the holder.
[23:48:35] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[23:48:47] <andypugh> (sorry, I was thinking drawbar)
[23:49:29] <andypugh> If it _is_ a pull-stud, is it the right one? Correct angle, for example?
[23:49:45] <zeeshan-mill> it has t obe the right one
[23:49:51] <zeeshan-mill> its the only one with .996 diameter
[23:49:53] <zeeshan-mill> :(
[23:50:08] <zeeshan-mill> i can see that the stud is bottoming out
[23:50:29] <zeeshan-mill> im just doign the blueing test , will post some pics
[23:50:36] <_methods> can you remove the tool now?
[23:50:52] <zeeshan-mill> ye3w
[23:50:55] <_methods> or is it stuck in ther
[23:50:55] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[23:50:57] <_methods> ok good
[23:51:26] <_methods> how did you determine this .996 diameter?
[23:51:29] <andypugh> Is the stud all the way into the holder?
[23:51:35] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[23:51:40] <zeeshan-mill> torqued to 60ft-lb
[23:51:55] <zeeshan-mill> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196844/
[23:52:05] <andypugh> That isn’t necessarily the same as being all the way in.
[23:52:07] <zeeshan-mill> you can see that there is a schs
[23:52:09] <zeeshan-mill> to adjust something
[23:52:22] <zeeshan-mill> well i dont see a gap between the pull stud
[23:52:24] <zeeshan-mill> and the tool holder
[23:52:34] <anonimasu> they need to be just right
[23:52:45] <andypugh> Do other tools pull up tight
[23:52:47] <andypugh> ?
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[23:53:36] <zeeshan-mill> ill try another sec
[23:54:36] <_methods> you have a pic of the pullstud in the toolholder
[23:55:07] <_methods> and take a pic of the toolholder in the spindle with drawbar engaged with a closeup on the gauge line of the spindle
[23:55:28] <andypugh> I can’t think how to compare stud-length without making a jig to measure with
[23:55:30] <_methods> so we can see gap between toolholder and spindle
[23:55:49] <PetefromTn_> he already posted a pic like that
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[23:56:02] <_methods> oh sorry i just hopped in
[23:56:13] <andypugh> But my thoughts would be turning to mdifying the holder or the pull stud to get the knob closer to the taper.
[23:56:52] <_methods> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196644/in/photostream/
[23:57:02] <_methods> is that the gap between spindle nose and toolholder?
[23:57:29] <_methods> i hope not lol
[23:57:37] <PetefromTn_> no
[23:58:05] <andypugh> This one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16203896138/
[23:58:11] <PetefromTn_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16203896138/
[23:58:54] <_methods> yeah that looks pretty excessive
[23:59:17] <_methods> clear at the bottom of the dogs
[23:59:32] <andypugh> It sounds to be touching. I don’t know how far the taper pulls up between touching and tight.
