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[00:00:12] <PetefromTn_> might have to look it over and make them an offer cheap LOL
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[00:06:10] <_methods> you can get surface grinders all day for dirt cheap
[00:06:19] <_methods> i just saw 3 go at auction for like $75
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[00:06:31] <furrywolf> grrr!
[00:06:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah but are they fubar'd?
[00:06:46] <_methods> we just got a 4'x8'x16" surface plate for $175
[00:06:55] <_methods> gotta go to atl next week to pick it up
[00:07:12] <_methods> i got 2 lista cabinets for $65 each too
[00:07:13] <PetefromTn_> WOW thats a beast
[00:07:37] <_methods> nice to have all that real estate when you need to inspect big parts
[00:07:38] <SpeedEvil> How many of you are going?
[00:07:47] <_methods> probably just 2?
[00:07:48] <_methods> why
[00:07:55] <SpeedEvil> And/Or have you started taking the roids already?
[00:08:04] <SpeedEvil> Wait
[00:08:06] <_methods> heh that's what riggers ar for
[00:08:10] <SpeedEvil> 4'*8'*16"
[00:08:20] <SpeedEvil> That is ratehr bigger than I read at first
[00:08:27] <_methods> yeah
[00:08:31] <PetefromTn_> shit's hydro heavy LOL
[00:08:33] <_methods> i won't be lifting that lol
[00:08:38] <_methods> 5300lbs
[00:08:41] <SpeedEvil> That's what - 3 tons?
[00:08:43] <_methods> so not that bad
[00:09:11] <_methods> our little forklifts should be able to get it
[00:09:28] <SpeedEvil> Overkill - when the surface plate weighs more than the slab the building is built on
[00:09:38] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a decent used fourth axis for my VMC at one a dem tings..
[00:09:40] <moorbo> OH
[00:09:41] <moorbo> GOD
[00:09:57] <moorbo> the last stepper movement I did had F20....
[00:10:00] <_methods> yeah they had a bunch at that auction i got that plate at
[00:10:02] <moorbo> and now I moved to the opposite corner
[00:10:06] <moorbo> >_<
[00:10:09] <furrywolf> I have a rotary table I was thinking of CNCing for a 4th axis.
[00:10:17] <_methods> they had 2 big 5 axis machines
[00:10:20] <PetefromTn_> what they go for?
[00:10:40] <_methods> i think the one that was 40" x 60" x 24" went for $45k
[00:10:52] <PetefromTn_> no the rotabs..
[00:10:52] <_methods> the other big 8' cinci went for like $110
[00:11:00] <_methods> $110k
[00:11:08] <_methods> oh shit i didn't look
[00:11:16] <XXCoder> man
http://www.lileks.com/institute/comicsins/comicads/guns/8.html lot changes since then. train, bus and airplane? yeah right lol
[00:11:17] <_methods> i see so many rotabs i don't even look at them anymore
[00:11:37] <_methods> i'll keep an eye out for you though if you want
[00:11:50] <_methods> you want a full 4th?
[00:11:53] <_methods> or just a rotab?
[00:11:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah man. I would like to get a smokin' deal on one...
[00:11:57] <PetefromTn_> fourth
[00:12:00] <_methods> k
[00:12:03] <_methods> yeah i'll watch
[00:12:15] <PetefromTn_> you are not TOO far away from me aren't ya?
[00:12:20] <_methods> we got 2 haas and 2 yaskawas at the shop
[00:12:25] <_methods> so i really don't evenlook at them
[00:12:44] <PetefromTn_> 5C's or full fourth's?
[00:12:53] <_methods> full 4ths
[00:13:12] <_methods> not sure why we have so many
[00:13:17] <_methods> we only ever use 1 lol
[00:13:20] <PetefromTn_> they got a nice brand new VF3 at the shop I started working in. BRAND SPANKIN!
[00:13:30] <furrywolf> xxcoder: you still can pack guns on trains, busses, and planes... they just have to, in the case of planes, be in checked baggage, unloaded, and in a hard-sided case.
[00:13:52] <PetefromTn_> has tool and spindle remote probing and fourth axis pretty sweet it is also the extended travel one.
[00:13:54] <XXCoder> yeah there is people who use the fact that they have to use their own lock
[00:14:04] <XXCoder> and guns list include starter gun
[00:14:11] <_methods> wow haas with tool probe lol
[00:14:18] <XXCoder> it does not fire bullets but just caps
[00:14:23] <_methods> stupid haas
[00:14:29] <_methods> they nickle and dime you to death
[00:14:29] * furrywolf wonders what the difference between a rotary table and a full fourth axis is...
[00:14:35] <_methods> $5k for lights
[00:14:40] <_methods> oh you want a door?
[00:14:42] <_methods> $4k
[00:14:44] <XXCoder> does anyone here like haas
[00:14:51] <PetefromTn_> I do
[00:14:54] <_methods> 20mb ram
[00:14:58] <_methods> that will be $10k
[00:15:03] <furrywolf> xxcoder: on planes, fire is an even bigger risk than the security risk.
[00:15:05] <_methods> oh you want usb
[00:15:10] <_methods> that's anohter $20k lol
[00:15:32] <PetefromTn_> actually they told me the whole thing was like $85k or something like that..
[00:15:36] <_methods> i just drip feed all of ours
[00:15:44] <_methods> and use a flashlight
[00:15:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[00:16:00] <XXCoder> the gaintass router haas cost just $100k (pre-options)
[00:16:04] <PetefromTn_> They also have a big leadwell V40
[00:16:15] <XXCoder> giantass
[00:16:37] <furrywolf> so... what do you add to a rotary table to make it a full fourth axis? I usually figure a chuck screwed to a rotary table is a pretty good 4th axis...
[00:16:52] <_methods> your controller
[00:17:26] <_methods> the controller moves the rotab
[00:18:02] <furrywolf> wouldn't that be implied? heh
[00:18:12] <_methods> no a rotab is just a rotab lol
[00:18:15] <_methods> you move it by hand
[00:19:26] <furrywolf> in the context of adding a 4th axis to a cnc mill, I'd figure it implied cnc too. lol
[00:19:59] <_methods> i've used plain old rotabs on 3 axis vmc's before
[00:20:15] <_methods> sometimes you just need a chuck or whatever in there
[00:20:40] <furrywolf> I currently have a non-cnc rotary table I want to stick a stepper to, to use as a 4th axis...
[00:21:30] <PetefromTn_> LOL Red forman is on Star Trek Voyager hehe
[00:22:06] <XXCoder> heh little change to red foreman and it sounds like comic consection themed villian
[00:22:10] <furrywolf> methinks you mean "was", as I think that stopped airing a long time ago...
[00:22:43] <PetefromTn_> no I mean IS as in I IS watching it right now LOL
[00:23:46] <furrywolf> voyager always annoyed me too much to watch. it's like a comittee-designed star trek... let's pick a cast of characters based on the maximum potential for interpersonal conflicts instead of actual plot...
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[00:24:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah but.....three words.....SEVEN OF NINE!!!
[00:25:05] <_methods> PetefromTn_: what price are you lookin for on 4th and what size?
[00:25:37] <PetefromTn_> CHEAP!!!! oh yeah and did I mention.....CHEAP!! LOL
[00:25:44] <_methods> $200?
[00:25:45] <PetefromTn_> an eight inch or so would be fine.
[00:25:52] <PetefromTn_> sure
[00:25:53] <_methods> k
[00:26:03] <_methods> i'll watch for ya
[00:26:07] <Tom_itx> that's what she said
[00:26:16] <PetefromTn_> I guess it depends on what it is really....
[00:26:18] <_methods> hehe
[00:26:31] <furrywolf> notice the original star trek was about the cast fighting external problems, with the only interpersonal conflicts being humorous jibes between the three stars... while in voyager, what, HALF the fucking episodes are about characters having conflicts with each other in some fashion? vulcan vs human vs marquis vs borg etc etc etc...
[00:26:35] <PetefromTn_> if it is real nice I might be able to scrape up some more...
[00:26:53] <_methods> well i wouldn't pay more than $200 lol
[00:26:57] <_methods> i see them go for that
[00:27:02] <PetefromTn_> NICE...
[00:27:11] <_methods> i just saw a bridgeport go for $475
[00:27:19] <_methods> killed me
[00:27:27] <_methods> not enough room in the garage
[00:27:28] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf Honestly my favorite trek series is DS9...similar interpersonal relationships all the time.
[00:27:32] <furrywolf> hrmm, where are you seeing an 8" cnc table go for $200? on ebay I've only seen manual tables anywhere in that range...
[00:27:42] <_methods> ebay lol
[00:28:00] <_methods> i'm not giving up my secret fishin holes man
[00:28:13] <furrywolf> pete: ah, ds9... let's add spirituality and religion into a world that's supposed to have, according to roddenberry, advanced enough to eliminiate all that crap...
[00:29:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah well be that as it may...I like it.
[00:29:28] <PetefromTn_> and I don't really want to get into an argument about what it should or should not have been....I am too tired.
[00:29:33] <furrywolf> lol
[00:30:03] * furrywolf googles
[00:30:06] <furrywolf> "I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will -- and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." (Gene Roddenberry)
[00:30:09] <furrywolf> there we go. :)
[00:30:34] <furrywolf> he ever so slightly didn't like religion...
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[00:35:36] <_methods> CaptHindsight:
http://www.voxel8.co/
[00:36:42] <furrywolf> if you come across a cheap cnc 5"-6" table, let me know. :P
[00:37:07] * furrywolf only has a chinese mill/lathe combo machine, that won't fit anything larger
[00:37:12] <furrywolf> my current table is tiny...
[00:37:22] <_methods> 5" table?
[00:37:24] <furrywolf> it came with my sherline, and is appropriately scaled for it. :)
[00:37:26] <_methods> cnc ?
[00:37:26] <furrywolf> rotary table
[00:37:29] <_methods> oh
[00:37:32] <_methods> ok
[00:37:36] <_methods> yeah i'll watch out
[00:37:47] <CaptHindsight> _methods: looks like they added more info
[00:37:57] <_methods> that's another one
[00:38:18] <_methods> apparently 2015 is the year of 3d pcbs lol
[00:38:21] <CaptHindsight> saw that a few days ago
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[00:38:32] <CaptHindsight> FDM with a nozzle for silver paste
[00:38:53] <_methods> thing is $9k lol
[00:39:10] <CaptHindsight> and 10 supposed patents
[00:39:22] <_methods> i can get 2 x2's and build a bad ass 3d printer for that price lol
[00:39:26] <CaptHindsight> slow and expensive, low res
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[00:39:53] <CaptHindsight> and still only single sided
[00:40:03] <_methods> yeah
[00:41:08] <furrywolf> if I ever decide to build a 3d printer, I'll probably just chuck an extruder in the spindle of my mill... no reason to build a new xyz stage for the fun of it.
[00:41:15] <CaptHindsight> but all the glue gun nuts will go apeshit over it
[00:41:49] <CaptHindsight> I call it "Filament Fetish"
[00:42:01] <furrywolf> lol
[00:42:22] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's a _lot_ of cycles on the mill slides
[00:42:46] <furrywolf> speedevil: not any more than pocket milling in a hard material with shallow cuts...
[00:42:51] <SpeedEvil> true
[00:42:58] <furrywolf> and there's no stress on them at all, unlike pushing a cutter through metal.
[00:43:25] <furrywolf> and, that implies I'd ever use it more than twice. :P
[00:46:04] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: ink?
[00:47:22] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://static.squarespace.com/static/54a59cdce4b0e8454933affc/54a6ed46e4b0970e0f112f11/54a6efb6e4b0d05e1aa753a8/1420226486958/antenna2.jpg?format=500w
[00:47:45] <CaptHindsight> not sure if this pic is part of that printer or some better project
[00:47:49] <_methods> wow
[00:48:13] <_methods> nice
[00:48:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.voxel8.co/about/ it's one of the images from the About page
[00:48:35] <_methods> that doesn't look like what i saw that thing putting out lol
[00:48:59] <CaptHindsight> that is a nozzle on a pneumatic valve
[00:49:19] <CaptHindsight> we put those on little gantry printers all the time
[00:50:02] <_methods> interesting
[00:50:12] <_methods> what do you use for metering?
[00:51:20] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1nbjHlg3CndI
[00:52:31] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1nbjgQvB5Czw the valves are like this
[00:52:53] <_methods> how much do those things run
[00:53:00] <CaptHindsight> you adjust the fluid pressure and the amount that the valve opens
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[00:53:07] <_methods> i'd like to make a cnc solder paste disp with one of those
[00:53:31] <CaptHindsight> that gives you a set flow rate
[00:54:02] <CaptHindsight> you just toggle the valve on/off at the start/end of each segment
[00:54:04] <_methods> assuming your medium is same viscosity?
[00:54:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's the same viscosity at a given temp
[00:54:31] <CaptHindsight> unless it's poorly mixed
[00:54:53] <_methods> interesting
[00:55:05] <_methods> so how much do those setups run?
[00:55:15] <_methods> and how much air/psi?
[00:55:45] <_methods> sorry for all the questions
[00:55:52] <CaptHindsight> Nordson sells the vales for $500-1K, and a 3 axis gantry for $60K
[00:56:05] <furrywolf> capt: what are you making, anyway? (I missed the first part of this conversation)
[00:56:35] <CaptHindsight> 125psi max on the valve, 0-70psi on the fluid
[00:57:01] <_methods> well the valve price blows my 2nd plan for it lol
[00:57:14] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: we are just discussing some printed circuit board printers
[00:57:17] <_methods> i was thinking about making a cnc bar bot with that valve lol
[00:57:23] <CaptHindsight> used on ebay for ~$100
[00:57:36] <_methods> everyone uses those peristatlic pumps
[00:58:12] <_methods> i guess i could buy one of those valves and make a ghetto copy for my bar bot
[00:58:13] <CaptHindsight> depends on the pressure and flow rate you need
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[00:59:10] <furrywolf> wouldn't a bar bot have tolerances more than adequately served by cheap options?
[00:59:30] <_methods> yes and no
[00:59:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFD-Valve-Air-Pressure-70-psi-4-8-Bar-Dispense-Valve-/221632312223
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[01:00:03] <_methods> it's food grade so anything food grade is usually a PITA
[01:00:45] <CaptHindsight> depending on viscosity you could just use a syringe and syringe pump
[01:00:55] <_methods> yeah alcohol
[01:00:59] <CaptHindsight> they just don't respond as quickly
[01:01:09] <_methods> i just want simple and eaasy to clean
[01:01:18] <furrywolf> what do the new coke machines use, and how long before they hit the scrapyards?
[01:01:45] <_methods> and something besides peristaltic
[01:02:42] <_methods> syringe and syringe pump would probably do the trick
[01:03:43] <furrywolf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Freestyle those
[01:03:50] <furrywolf> (had to google for the name, never used one)
[01:03:54] <_methods> yeah the ebola machine
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[01:05:00] <furrywolf> ?
[01:05:31] <_methods> everyone goin up there and puttin their bugger fingers all over the machine
[01:05:53] <_methods> you have to touch this nasty screen with little kids booger hand prints all over it
[01:06:39] <furrywolf> I'm more thinking it's only a matter of time before they start getting scrapped, and probably have a quite nice assortment of precise metering pumps.
[01:06:42] <_methods> i call them the coca ebola machines
[01:07:00] <furrywolf> I don't drink soda... I call them foul-tasting sugarwater machines.
[01:09:58] <furrywolf> figure every cartridge slot has a very precise pump or valve associated with it...
[01:11:09] <_methods> CaptHindsight: thanks for the syringe pump idea that one hadn't crossed my mind
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[01:14:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20141002-italian-studio-lab-unveils-open-source-syringe-extruder-for-fdm-3d-printers.html ghetto version
[01:16:03] <LeelooMinai> Could be good for making cookies though
[01:16:10] <_methods> hah and here i was thinking of using a linear actuator
[01:16:26] <furrywolf> for a barbot you'll need a lot more speed than that design has.
[01:17:03] <_methods> not or like a real bar
[01:17:16] <_methods> i just want to make something for the house that's cheap and sanitary
[01:17:38] <_methods> s/or/for
[01:18:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20120517-burritob0t-a-3d-printer-prints-edible-mexican-food.html
[01:18:37] <furrywolf> edible mexican food?
[01:18:42] <CaptHindsight> lol
[01:18:47] <furrywolf> :P
[01:18:48] <LeelooMinai> How did they manage to pull that off...
[01:19:15] <furrywolf> I actually like mexican food... I dislike most of the stuff sold as mexican food.
[01:19:23] <CaptHindsight> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/01/14/syringe-based-3d-food-printer/
[01:19:38] <_methods> hahah
[01:19:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lixp5nOcU
[01:20:33] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.ponoko.com/2012/02/09/3d-print-food-and-other-things-with-the-dual-syringe-imagine-3d-printer/ use fr4 and solder paste and they are 2 years ahead
[01:21:50] <furrywolf> I don't think I want any "food" that can be extruded from a syringe.
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[01:22:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.structur3d.io/#discov3ry
[01:22:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.deskeng.com/de/3d-printing-on-the-cheap/
[01:22:36] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: Pasta maybe? :)
[01:22:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.deskeng.com/de/img/3d-printing-on-the-cheap_7.jpg chocolate
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[01:44:49] <jdh> what do people use for modeling for low end 3d printers?
[01:45:18] <malcom2073> jdh: I use solidworks
[01:45:37] <jdh> what free software do people use for modeling for low end 3d printers?
[01:45:47] <malcom2073> freecad, openscad, designspark mechanical
[01:45:50] <malcom2073> wait, I have a link for you
[01:46:27] <malcom2073> jdh:
http://reprap.org/wiki/Useful_Software_Packages
[01:46:56] <jdh> thanks
[01:46:58] <malcom2073> But the most common ones I hear about are openscad, freecad, and sketchup
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[02:06:34] <SpeedEvil> Blender.
[02:06:39] <SpeedEvil> If you are clinically insane.
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[02:10:09] * Jymmm raises hand
[02:10:41] <Jymmm> oh clinically, not institutionally, lowers hand.
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[02:12:54] <_methods> ok both
[02:13:02] <_methods> now get your hand back up
[02:13:46] <SpeedEvil> After spending ~ a week or so fighting it - I've come to the conclusion that - with the right tutorials - blender could be a usable - perhaps not great - CAD program for simple stuff.
[02:13:48] <_methods> the local hackerspace got a free shapeoko from a contest
[02:14:04] <_methods> they asked me to come in there and help them learn how to use it lol
[02:14:17] <SpeedEvil> The problem is that 99.9% of the tutorials are 'ok, now click this button, and wave the mouse around till it's about in the right place'
[02:14:23] <SpeedEvil> which isn't ideal for much CAD.
[02:14:24] <_methods> there's this guy in there i can't stand named stewart
[02:14:41] <_methods> i'm gonna go in there and for the sample part i'm gonna carve a paynis with his name on it
[02:14:57] <SpeedEvil> You _need_ to understand local and global axis, the coordinate system, and how to snap to crap.
[02:15:08] <malcom2073> Blender is an art program isnt it?
[02:15:08] <malcom2073> heh
[02:15:17] <malcom2073> It has to look good, not be precise :P
[02:15:37] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: basically yes. It's got so many features it is also usable - sort of as a solid modeler - if you know what bits not to touch.
[02:15:47] <malcom2073> yeah
[02:16:00] <malcom2073> I used it a while back, but realized I'm not in the slightest artistic, so I stick to CAD programs for 3d modeling stuff heh
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[02:16:36] <SpeedEvil> But 'what bits not to touch' include stuff like random keypresses - alt-B for examlpe, instead of shift-b sets you to a fun mode where you've just wiped out all of the view - until you re-press alt-b.
[02:16:41] <SpeedEvil> shift-b is box select
[02:17:06] <malcom2073> lol
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[02:18:39] <SpeedEvil> Or 'I now have a lovely solid model of a gearbox, but I can't work out how to remove the orange fur'
[02:19:22] <malcom2073> lol
[02:19:44] <malcom2073> Anyone here played with any of the DIY servobelt drive systems?
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[02:56:33] <t12> sdfsdf
[02:56:35] <t12> er
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[03:50:53] <furrywolf> hate my connection, so much...
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[04:04:58] <Computer_Barf> are angled gibs supposed to settle with gravity?
[04:05:09] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjUTJi3Xk5o
[04:06:42] <Computer_Barf> this mod he reverses the head plate as to gain movement, but I wonder about the gibs being upside down like that, and also the rigidity affected by the lack of length on the bottom causing cantilever flex
[04:07:34] <furrywolf> gibs should be supported by an adjustment mechanism of some kind, either locking screws for straight gibs, or a slide mechanism for tapered gibs. gravity should have nothing to do with your mill's adjustments...
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[04:09:20] <Computer_Barf> yes the g0704 has screws that hold the gibs in place, but i figured that there was some reasoning behind the tapered gibs being on top
[04:10:00] <_methods> wtf is up with that video
[04:10:04] <_methods> shit refuses to load
[04:10:16] <_methods> .wmv
[04:10:34] <furrywolf> I didn't even bother trying to load the video. it's youtube, so I know it's going to suck.
[04:11:01] <Computer_Barf> played fine for me , but ive noticed youtube acting funky lately. This new autoplay feature seems to cause videos to randomly skip to the next video mid play for me.
[04:11:18] <_methods> it's .wmv takin forever to load
[04:11:33] <Computer_Barf> how do you know its a .wmv on youtube/
[04:11:53] <_methods> it says .wmv on it?
[04:11:56] <XXCoder> title name
[04:12:06] <_methods> and besides he's using mach
[04:12:15] <_methods> so that's like 2 strikes against already lol
[04:13:03] * _methods gives up and goes back to looking at diy pipe benders
[04:13:18] <Computer_Barf> lol. well hoss does have alot of g0704 material, he sells the plans and such so alot of the g0704 folks get some info from him.
[04:13:55] <Computer_Barf> I got my kit from someone else but hoss has videos up on most every mod on these machines
[04:14:20] <_methods> his website is a train wreck
[04:14:35] <Computer_Barf> I do admit, i find his voice a bit hard to listen to
[04:15:06] <furrywolf> between youtube's shit player (the best way to watch youtube videos is to download them and use a proper player), and my lack of bandwidth (>ten times download time to play time ratio), I just ignore youtube links.
[04:15:37] <Computer_Barf> I often use youtube-dl when i find a channel I like
[04:15:44] <_methods> shit i'll be smoking crack and watching youtube all night
[04:15:57] <_methods> but not .wmv youtube lol
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[04:36:54] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16216978566/
[04:36:56] <zeeshan> conduit laid
[04:36:56] <zeeshan> :D
[04:39:24] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[04:39:35] <zeeshan> i dont understand something
[04:39:37] <zeeshan> with the main breaker off
[04:39:47] <zeeshan> i have 17.1 Vac between l1 and ground/n
[04:39:51] <zeeshan> l2 and ground/n
[04:39:52] <zeeshan> wtf!
[04:40:18] <SpeedEvil> Connect a 10K resistor across it
[04:40:21] <SpeedEvil> - the meter
[04:40:32] <SpeedEvil> you're seeing capacitive coupling of adjacent wires
[04:40:52] <zeeshan> that much?
[04:40:55] <zeeshan> 17.1??!
[04:40:55] <zeeshan> vac
[04:41:19] <furrywolf> and this is why you don't share servo drive and encoder wires in the same bundle, for example. :P
[04:41:35] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: into what is presumably a 1M input impedence meter.
[04:41:51] <SpeedEvil> this is a whole 300 microwatts or so of leakage
[04:42:13] <zeeshan> i feel like its some retarded capacitor
[04:42:16] <SpeedEvil> It might - if you short it - produce 30uA
[04:42:17] <zeeshan> plugged into the wall
[04:42:25] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: it is. Adjacent wires are capacitors
[04:42:34] <zeeshan> which adjacent wires?
[04:42:37] <zeeshan> i turned off the main breaker
[04:42:41] <zeeshan> there are no adjacent live wires
[04:42:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[04:43:06] <furrywolf> power supplies tend not to let capacitors leak back to the line
[04:43:16] <zeeshan> FREE EN ERGY guys
[04:43:20] <zeeshan> FREE ENERGY. i have discoverd it!
[04:44:03] <furrywolf> now try taping toast, buttered side up, to the back of a cat.
[04:44:25] <zeeshan> i wonder which device is pumping voltage
[04:44:44] <zeeshan> im gonna try turning of all the breakers and see what happerns
[04:44:48] <zeeshan> to isolate whats generating it
[04:44:59] <zeeshan> i mean 17Vac isnt enough to shock you
[04:45:06] <zeeshan> but im curious
[04:45:25] <furrywolf> if you're getting AC, it's definitely not some random capacitor leaking back to the line... it's picked up noise or a ground loop.
[04:45:56] <furrywolf> any non-active stored power would be producing dc
[04:46:12] <zeeshan> thats a good point
[04:46:38] <furrywolf> set your meter to its lowest current scale and see how many uA you get. :P
[04:47:02] <zeeshan> ill check tomorrow
[04:47:06] <zeeshan> i cant kill the pwoer now
[04:47:08] <zeeshan> downloading stuff :)
[04:47:55] <zeeshan> i dont know how im gonna fish wire through this
[04:50:01] <Tom_itx> fiberglass tape
[04:50:17] <zeeshan> i cant even make it past the first elbow
[04:50:21] <zeeshan> its getting stuck at a lip
[04:50:23] <zeeshan> w/ just one wire.. lol
[04:50:24] <zeeshan> yet along 3!
[04:50:26] <zeeshan> *alone
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[04:55:43] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: very few meters can do ACuA
[04:56:47] * furrywolf would consider "0" an acceptable reading. :P
[04:57:26] <furrywolf> also, my $39.99 chinese one does
[04:57:54] <furrywolf> I really, really hate my internet connection. right now I'm downloading firefox at 5.2K/sec. I might as well get a modem.
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[05:08:29] <furrywolf> dialup would have a lot better reliability and latency...
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[05:09:33] <XXCoder> what isp?
[05:10:05] <furrywolf> virgin mobile 3g
[05:10:19] <SpeedEvil> Is it poor signal?
[05:10:33] <SpeedEvil> or are you on 2g
[05:10:37] <furrywolf> it shows 2-3 bars...
[05:10:39] <XXCoder> ouch
[05:10:40] <furrywolf> 3g
[05:10:45] <XXCoder> 3g isnt that slow
[05:11:03] <furrywolf> xxcoder: it'll go up to 100K/sec when everyone isn't home and online
[05:11:20] <furrywolf> in a couple hours it'll work great. it'll also work great when I get up in the morning.
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[05:13:49] <bobo_> zeeshan : try a nerf ball and string with shop vac. for getting the wire feed thru
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[05:16:41] <furrywolf> hrmm, the current xfce isn't bad at all... I'm going to suggest it to everyone I know who uses gnome or kde!
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[05:19:39] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160774578693 that meter. I've been happy with it, as chinese products go.
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[05:20:40] <XXCoder> yeah I love xfce
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[05:40:22] <furrywolf> bbl, sleep
[05:40:33] <XXCoder> later
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[05:42:45] <furrywolf> cyas
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[05:50:49] <zeeshan> was a faulty multimeter
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[05:56:28] <bobo_> zeeshan: try a nerf ball and string with shop vac. for getting the wire fead thru conduit
[05:56:56] <zeeshan> its not a 100% sealed environment though?
[06:01:51] <bobo_> if a shop vac will not suck a small nurf ball on a string thru that short length of pipe , then it must be screen type conduit.
[06:02:50] <bobo_> or a pluged up shop vac
[06:03:53] <zeeshan> its 3 awg wire=/
[06:04:00] <zeeshan> im gonna just pull per section
[06:04:03] <zeeshan> and assemble the conduit around it
[06:04:18] <zeeshan> will be easier i'd think
[06:05:21] <Tom_itx> not when it comes time to service it
[06:05:41] <zeeshan> ??
[06:06:18] <bobo_> suck a string first ----------tye strinng to rope pull roap -----tye rope to wire bundle
[06:06:32] <Tom_itx> tie wire bundle to your ankle
[06:06:51] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i didnt get your service reference
[06:07:04] <Tom_itx> if you ever have to replace the wire you won't be able to
[06:07:22] <zeeshan> why?
[06:07:37] <Tom_itx> im gonna just pull per section
[06:07:37] <Tom_itx> <zeeshan> and assemble the conduit around it
[06:07:50] <zeeshan> i dont see how me doing that
[06:07:52] <zeeshan> vs pulling it
[06:07:55] <zeeshan> makes it any different
[06:08:05] <Tom_itx> unless you're gonna take it apart when that time arrives
[06:08:24] <zeeshan> i think pulling per section also lessens the chance of damaging the insulation
[06:08:35] <zeeshan> shrug i dont know
[06:08:38] <zeeshan> :/
[06:09:32] <Tom_itx> i put in 2 2-1/2" conduit when i build my garage and i'm not sorry i did
[06:09:47] <Tom_itx> in the floor
[06:10:39] <Tom_itx> i recently rerouted some stuff so i could get more in them :)
[06:10:51] <bobo_> tom_itx plastic or metal ?
[06:10:58] <Tom_itx> plastic
[06:11:05] <Tom_itx> it's in the footing
[06:11:35] <bobo_> glued joints ?
[06:11:54] <Tom_itx> yes
[06:12:20] <Tom_itx> sweeping 90 and iirc a couple 45
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[06:13:08] <Tom_itx> that was a long time ago
[06:13:18] <bobo_> sounds good what size garage?
[06:13:43] <Tom_itx> 24x24 then i added another 8' on the back later on
[06:14:45] <bobo_> going to try for 720 sq foot this spring
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[06:17:10] <Tom_itx> double it and put in 10' celings or you'll regret it in 5 yrs
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[06:18:28] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: were you palnning to run a supercomputer? :)
[06:18:32] <bobo_> please come down here and slap zoning into it
[06:18:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you never know
[06:18:54] <zeeshan> hehe
[06:19:14] <zeeshan> bob where are you from
[06:19:15] <zeeshan> bobo
[06:19:32] <bobo_> cols. ohio
[06:19:40] <zeeshan> not far away at all
[06:19:54] <Tom_itx> then i added a covered patio next to it
[06:21:08] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio21.jpg
[06:21:18] <bobo_> wish I could find a place such as Ox Tool or J. Kilroy has.
[06:21:21] <Tom_itx> all the steel was scrap
[06:21:30] <zeeshan> thats a lot of money :P
[06:21:41] <zeeshan> that looks great Tom_itx
[06:21:54] <Tom_itx> I beam thru the middle
[06:22:12] <Tom_itx> oh heck, it's not even installed in that pic
[06:22:28] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio23.jpg
[06:22:35] <zeeshan> did you put the concrete pad yourself?
[06:22:50] <Tom_itx> i did the holes and the neighbor did the pad
[06:23:02] <Tom_itx> he works for a construction co
[06:23:09] <zeeshan> nice
[06:23:11] <Tom_itx> loaned me the 12" auger
[06:23:30] <zeeshan> thats a nice neighbour to have :D
[06:24:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio_index.php
[06:24:08] <Tom_itx> that's that project
[06:24:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio5.jpg
[06:24:45] <Tom_itx> nice hole saw
[06:24:52] <zeeshan> hahah
[06:26:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio13.jpg
[06:26:36] <Tom_itx> I beam between the rear support boards
[06:26:49] <Tom_itx> it'll never blow off
[06:27:27] <bobo_> neighbors around here are upset their icecream cone is not as big as other neighbors..
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[06:41:42] <bobo_> zeeshan: does your mill have temp comp on the ram ?
[06:42:08] <zeeshan> temperature compensation?
[06:43:18] <bobo_> as in maho uses a mechanical bar on ram scale for temp comp
[06:45:05] <bobo_> front end of scale has metal rod/bar and rear has sheet metal mtg bracket
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[06:47:21] <zeeshan> i dont see that :P
[06:47:58] <bobo_> maho and deckel both rave about the temp. comp
[06:49:39] <XXCoder> any of you doctor who fans?
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[06:53:46] <bobo_> who ?
[06:53:55] <XXCoder> yeah who
[06:54:49] <bobo_> my phone booth was stolen
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[06:59:16] <XXCoder> phone booth?
[06:59:24] <XXCoder> ya some kind of superman? ;)
[06:59:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Sugar-Free-Gummy-Bears/dp/B008JELLCA ouch reviews
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[07:01:45] <bobo_> sugar-free why bother?
[07:01:56] <zeeshan> those gtives you the shits
[07:01:57] <zeeshan> lol
[07:02:00] <zeeshan> careful!
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[07:02:26] <XXCoder> yeah bears that cause you to shit so much apparently
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[07:03:03] <bobo_> oh ! for us old geezers then
[07:03:50] <XXCoder> "I ate these as an afternoon snack at work. About an hour later, I started to feel really bloated. 90 minutes in, my stomach was cramping and making all sorts of crazy noises. Two hours later I was glued to the toilet, letting out minute-long farts and trying to rip out my middle. Everytime I thought I was done, I'd be back in the restroom 10 minutes later. For hours this cycle repeated itself."
[07:04:25] <XXCoder> invent a methine powered car and you can power car that way lol
[07:05:23] <bobo_> or give to the neighbors grand kids for the ride home
[07:11:28] <zeeshan> bobo_: why are you still awake
[07:11:38] <bobo_> zeeshan: have you looked at www.dialog5.com website and look at Wessley's Project where there is a discussion about gear changing might be of use to you
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[07:15:03] <XXCoder> nice spacing
[07:16:03] <zeeshan> interesting
[07:16:08] <zeeshan> limit switches to do gear changing
[07:16:10] <zeeshan> mines hall sensors
[07:16:34] <zeeshan> quite differnt from that :P
[07:17:48] <bobo_> not that much different
[07:19:58] <bobo_> yours has 3 sense points per gear ? times 3 gear shifters
[07:20:13] <zeeshan> yes
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[07:21:59] <bobo_> and yours does the logic in the I.C.s vers softwre logic
[07:22:08] <zeeshan> i think it had a plc for it
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[07:23:57] <bobo_> oh! I.C. vers limit switches then
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[07:28:56] <bobo_> deckel and maho use a plastic gear in the shifter which is prone to breaking if the gears don't mesh easly during shifting
[07:29:13] <zeeshan> mine is metaL!
[07:30:12] <bobo_> sounds better than plastic
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[08:22:17] <Deejay> moin
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[08:48:11] <Jymmm> gawd, what a pita...
[08:48:24] <Deejay> morning Jymmm
[08:49:42] <Jymmm> CC pymt due 1/11th, Ck bill pay ETA 1/13th. Cancel billpay, says no. try 8 more times, still says no. Finally says yes on 11th attempt....
[08:49:52] <XXCoder> fun
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[08:51:01] <Jymmm> Cal CC company to make 3rd party pymt (as I do not want them to store bank acnt info - one time only), chat is useless, called three times, finally make EFT payment. sigh. 90 minutes later and here I am
[08:51:49] <Jymmm> Oh and add no CC branches within 100 miles, and even so, none open on weekends.
[08:51:54] <Jymmm> hi Deejay
[08:52:29] <Jymmm> Just sucked the way everythign landed on the calendar is all.
[08:53:04] <Jymmm> They might waive any late fee, but it's the bad mark and the % I worry about these days.
[08:53:32] <Jymmm> oh, you late one time, let's jack your interest to 23.999%
[08:55:37] <Jymmm> </rant?
[08:55:41] <Jymmm> </rant>
[08:57:21] <Jymmm> Heh, I think the CC is mucking with me as I havne't paid them any interest since I open the acount =)
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[16:41:13] <[cube]> Jymmm / zeeshan : success!
[16:41:14] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/UpiD3
[16:41:49] <[cube]> not a scratch on her
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[16:42:38] <Jymmm> Took small, try again ;)
[16:42:43] <Jymmm> too*
[16:42:48] <[cube]> haha
[16:43:17] <furrywolf> eh, sometimes good fun leaves a few scratches...
[16:44:23] <furrywolf> hopefully you own this house? :P
[16:45:01] <[cube]> heh yes :) it's here to stay
[16:45:22] <Tom_itx> why the tow hook? it would slide down just fine without it
[16:45:30] <CaptHindsight> why I no longer have my shop in the attic
[16:45:30] <Tom_itx> maybe a bit quicker than you wanted
[16:45:48] <[cube]> had a come-along on the hook
[16:45:52] <[cube]> and eased it down slow
[16:46:18] <Tom_itx> you could have avoided the hole in the wall
[16:46:24] <[cube]> weighed too much to muscle it down
[16:46:31] * furrywolf probably would have just slid plywood down the stairs, with a rope to limit the rate of sliding.
[16:46:56] <LeelooMinai> Couldn't two people just carry it? :) Doesn't look that big...
[16:47:05] <[cube]> its bigger than it looks in pics
[16:47:08] <furrywolf> leeloo: machine tools are small but heavy
[16:47:20] <[cube]> i can barely lift the the heavy end off the floor an inch
[16:47:25] <archivist> get bigger muscles
[16:47:31] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but what can it be - like 60kg?
[16:47:34] <[cube]> too much work :P
[16:47:40] <[cube]> 220kg
[16:47:43] <furrywolf> I had fun getting my milling machine from here to my shop/storage unit... with the wheeled cart it's on, it weighs a half ton or so.
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[16:47:45] <[cube]> well
[16:47:47] <[cube]> less than that
[16:47:50] <[cube]> with the bits removed
[16:48:01] <[cube]> probably a good 150 at least
[16:48:10] <furrywolf> built some ramps and comealonged it into the back of my van
[16:48:26] <[cube]> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/metal-lathe-12in-x28in-with-digital-readout.html
[16:48:49] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, maybe it's bigger than it looks:)
[16:49:25] <furrywolf> last time I moved it, I took it all apart, and had a helper... this time it was just me, so ramps it was.
[16:49:33] <[cube]> yep
[16:49:42] <[cube]> come-along has been so useful
[16:50:09] <[cube]> lift engine out of a car...move a mill..move a lathe
[16:50:32] <[cube]> a toddler could crank it
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[16:52:38] <furrywolf> I need to get my crane working. I have an autocrane 3203PR sitting in the bed of my pickup... needs repairs and installing. then moving things will be easy!
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[16:53:51] <[cube]> hah that looks sweet
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[16:54:21] <furrywolf> last owner went to change the fluid, and broke all the bolts that hold the reservoir on, then let it rust... and installing it needs substantial ironwork... so it's a "when I have time and money" project.
[16:54:23] <[cube]> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0547/3765/t/3/assets/store-heading-pic-1.jpg
[16:54:45] <[cube]> 'just sitting in the back of truck' eh :P
[16:54:55] <furrywolf> it's not like the harborfreight cranes that you can just bolt to sheetmetal... when you have a crane that can lift real things, it needs real steel underneeth it. heh.
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[16:55:16] <furrywolf> yes, just sitting in the back of it, at a diagonal in the bed... making the truck useless for anything else, and it's too heavy for me to get out. heh.
[16:55:48] <furrywolf> that's not a 3203. the 3203 is smaller.
[16:56:01] <[cube]> ah
[16:56:41] <furrywolf> http://www.modestosurplus.com/store/p113/AutoCrane_3203_12_volt_electric_over_hydraulic_crane_for_sale.html that's the size I have.
[16:56:58] <[cube]> still huge
[16:57:54] <furrywolf> it's not that huge... it's meant for an 8ft bed.
[16:58:26] <furrywolf> http://www.networkintl.com/contents/auction/QFPIRA00Q3CR/QFPIRA00R6XG/!QFPIRA00R6XJCrane.jpg
[16:58:34] <[cube]> what were you plannign to lift with it?
[16:59:14] <furrywolf> http://cranenetwork.com/equipment-pics/cranes/2529ddbc9f56c4f4c50d857d0.jpg that's a much newer model, but the same size... shows how it fits on a truck.
[16:59:28] <[cube]> could see it as a good alternative to a forklift
[16:59:53] <furrywolf> anything that needs lifting! machine tools, engines, firewood logs, ...
[17:00:14] <furrywolf> itself! I figure once I have it operational, all I need is a suitable gantry and it can lift itself out of the vehicle, for when I don't need it.
[17:00:31] <[cube]> ah yeah
[17:00:38] <[cube]> a little docking station
[17:00:45] <furrywolf> it's self-contained, just needs power and ground... leave a couple feet of slack in the wires and use an anderson plug, and it'll lift itself right out.
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[17:01:58] <furrywolf> also, lol @ trying to sell one for $4K.
[17:02:39] <[cube]> hehe
[17:03:27] <furrywolf> I got mine for $400 and the guy helped load it. heh.
[17:04:42] <furrywolf> only real repair it needs is the broken bolts drilled out from the reservoir. it could use new pump and winch solenoids, but they're $5 each. (if you get generic ones. if you call autocrane, I think they're $50... they're just ford starter solenoids!)
[17:05:07] <furrywolf> he said it worked great until he went to change the fluid, and broke the bolts...
[17:05:27] <[cube]> not bad at all
[17:05:56] <furrywolf> I wish it was the PRX model instead of the PR model, but oh well. (PR has power rotate, PRX has power rotate and extend)
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[17:06:40] <furrywolf> the PRX model extends with power, even under load... mine has a pin and a bunch of holes, and you have to set it before loading it. heh.
[17:07:21] <[cube]> yeah not bad for what you paid
[17:07:47] <furrywolf> building the support framework is the hard part... I can always swap it out for a newer/fancier model later.
[17:08:22] <[cube]> whats the max weight it can handle (approx)
[17:08:31] <furrywolf> while my truck does have an abnormally heavy-duty bed, I still can't bolt that to it without reinforcements.
[17:08:33] <furrywolf> 3200lb I think.
[17:08:43] <furrywolf> with the boom all the way in
[17:08:49] <furrywolf> goes way down as you extend the boom.
[17:09:07] <furrywolf> I have a 1.5ton truck, so it's a perfect match.
[17:09:15] <[cube]> nice
[17:09:57] <furrywolf> and I already have dual batteries and a 150A alternator, which the crane is supposed to like. :)
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[17:21:42] <zeeshan> HELP ME FISH WIRES CUBE
[17:22:42] <[cube]> lol
[17:22:53] <[cube]> good way to spend a saturday!
[17:22:59] <archivist> put some bait down
[17:23:57] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16216978566/
[17:24:00] <zeeshan> gonna use my friends advice
[17:24:05] <zeeshan> said remove the 2 90s at the sub panel
[17:24:12] <zeeshan> feed wire bundle through directly across
[17:24:25] <zeeshan> and then fish it through the 2 90s after
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[17:28:18] <Tom_itx> zeeshan slick em down with dish soap
[17:28:42] <zeeshan> why not ky jelly
[17:28:50] * zeeshan hides
[17:28:50] <Tom_itx> cheaper
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[17:45:11] <furrywolf> ky, and all personal lubes, are annoyingly expensive.
[17:46:26] <furrywolf> ky is actually one of the cheapest
[17:48:38] <zeeshan> nothing beats intimacy between the electrical wires and me
[17:48:44] <zeeshan> other than a bit of KY!
[17:48:49] <zeeshan> did i say that out loud
[17:48:49] <zeeshan> haha
[17:50:58] <XXCoder> ky is everywhere in most scary movies
[17:51:08] <XXCoder> alien drool? ky
[17:51:23] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.protoolreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/ptr/2478.jpg you need to buy in bulk
[17:51:51] <[cube]> that looks ideal
[17:52:04] <furrywolf> zeeshan: actually, they sell special lubes for electrosex...
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[18:15:41] <zeeshan> anyone have a cnc lathe in here?? :P
[18:15:49] <zeeshan> and uses their carriage to drill holes?
[18:15:51] <zeeshan> and tap
[18:16:19] <furrywolf> I will soon!
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[18:52:38] <tjtr33> hello, just dloaded the hybrid iso. csum is not whats listed on
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_LinuxCNC.html is that page up to date?
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[19:28:34] <gennro> So pretty much for a parallel port controller I need a logic level converter to protect the parallel port and then the outputs and inputs are configured in linuxcnc I assume?
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[19:30:47] <archivist> one of the cheap breakout boards can protect your port
[19:31:06] <gennro> yeah, was looking on ebay for those
[19:31:16] <archivist> I tend to use a uln200x /whatever
[19:33:11] <archivist> often the better stepper drivers have optos in them so the breakout board does not need them too
[19:33:11] <LeelooMinai> Is the rated output current in VFDs specified as total or per phase?
[19:33:26] <gennro> archivist, my plan is to use some 298 H bridges to run some small servos and some A4988s to run some steppers
[19:33:30] <LeelooMinai> I am looking at those GS2 drives again and again I don't get those ratings:/
[19:33:55] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/D89YDN8.png
[19:34:36] <archivist> some stepper chips are prone to letting the smoke out
[19:35:15] <gennro> yeah I figured it would be safer to have a logic level converter in between to prevent any of that
[19:35:18] <LeelooMinai> I think I am getting old:) I don't get how you input 16A at one phase at 110V into last one, that is 1600watt and only 750watt pops out...
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[19:36:57] <LeelooMinai> Any ideas? I mean the power cannot just disappear like that, unless by heat
[19:37:09] <archivist> go to a better maker who can work out their amps and watts
[19:37:11] <CaptHindsight> this a phase converter?
[19:37:29] <LeelooMinai> This is GS2 VFD from automationdirect - they are supposed to be pretty good
[19:37:36] <LeelooMinai> Yes 1 phase to 3
[19:37:55] <LeelooMinai> I just don't understand that table
[19:37:59] <archivist> the maths for the input is just wrong
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[19:38:06] <CaptHindsight> there was a discussion here about that a few weeks ago
[19:38:15] <CaptHindsight> let me find you some links that explain
[19:38:26] <archivist> it could be maximum starting current
[19:38:31] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I was part of it... And here I am again:)
[19:39:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dartcontrols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/De-Rating-VFD-for-Single-Phase-Power.pdf
[19:39:21] <gennro> Also I know there has been work on getting linuxcnc to work with raspberry pi's, anyone know the current working status of that?
[19:39:29] <LeelooMinai> I need to know if I buy the last one, what kind of spindle I can drive with it - 800watt, 15k or 2.2k - if any of those would be ok
[19:40:04] <CaptHindsight> what do you have for power? 120/208VAC single phase?
[19:40:17] <LeelooMinai> Just normal 15A fused 110V
[19:41:24] <LeelooMinai> I would think that 1.5k spindle would be ok, but that VFD chart confused me
[19:41:45] <archivist> CaptHindsight, the one she is pointing at is single phase rated
[19:42:30] <CaptHindsight> 1300W is all you circuit can have on that circuit into the VFD
[19:42:55] <LeelooMinai> Ok, right, but why they have only 0.75kW on output?
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[19:43:08] <LeelooMinai> Surely it cannot be 50% efficient...
[19:43:27] <archivist> they quote the loss wattage
[19:43:38] <CaptHindsight> 0.75kw 3 phase?
[19:43:43] <LeelooMinai> Yes, and it's only 10% or soe, so what happened to the rest?
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[19:44:24] <archivist> bad specs I think a peak is being quoted not the running
[19:44:30] <LeelooMinai> Yes, that's 3 phase output VFD of course
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[19:45:08] <archivist> during start a motor takes many times the running load
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[19:45:42] <LeelooMinai> Peak quoted? So that 0.75kW is per phase or what?
[19:45:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs3drives.pdf
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[19:46:05] <LeelooMinai> gs3 are some kind of vector drices
[19:46:16] <LeelooMinai> gs2 are normal pwm I think
[19:46:44] <LeelooMinai> And gs3 cannot run from 110V
[19:46:48] <archivist> no the running is 1 hp .77 kw regardless of number of phases
[19:47:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs2drive.pdf
[19:47:49] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but why is it only 750watt if 110V can have 1500watt available easily?
[19:48:31] <CaptHindsight> since the input is only single phase 60hz
[19:48:35] <archivist> made to a price only has cooling and deviced for .75kw
[19:48:57] <LeelooMinai> SO that would be good for what, 800watt spindle maybe?
[19:49:20] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if I can mill alu with that
[19:49:24] <CaptHindsight> 0.75kW
[19:49:40] <CaptHindsight> • 150% rated current for one minute
[19:50:32] <LeelooMinai> What happens if a spindle rated for more, gets less current? It works fine, just has less torque?
[19:51:24] <archivist> if you use a larger spindle you may overload the vfd
[19:51:34] <LeelooMinai> Or some other bad side effects would happen if one, say, used 750watt VFD to drive, say 2.2kW spindle
[19:51:38] <LeelooMinai> A, hmm, I see
[19:52:07] <archivist> often the vfd detects and shuts down, they eventually die
[19:52:36] <LeelooMinai> But why is that? Is that because of some inductive kick-back when slowing down?
[19:53:02] <archivist> I have some dead vfds and experience
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[19:55:01] <LeelooMinai> And I want to understand how things work:)
[19:55:39] <LeelooMinai> Cannot realloy aford dead VFDs too:/
[19:55:46] <LeelooMinai> afford*
[19:57:08] <CaptHindsight> trying to find you a good paper on how the converters work
[19:57:41] <LeelooMinai> Ok, well, I am reading that paper, and I think I may get a clue from there
[19:58:23] <LeelooMinai> Seems like the 1.73 derating is because the circutry is designed to take 3 phase input too and if you use 1 phase only part of it works (?)
[19:58:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.phasetechnologies.com/phaseperfect/files/phasewhitepaper.pdf
[19:59:19] <LeelooMinai> So maybe those 1 phase versions are not really optimized for one phase, just re-use topology for 3-phase ones or something?
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[19:59:25] <CaptHindsight> it has to do with power factor
[20:00:09] <CaptHindsight> voltage and current vs phase angle
[20:00:15] <LeelooMinai> A, hmm, power factor has to do with momentarily pushing back power to the mains, right?
[20:00:55] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
[20:01:23] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power#Real.2C_reactive.2C_and_apparent_powers
[20:02:12] <CaptHindsight> you might be trying to see this as a DC circuit vs AC
[20:03:57] <LeelooMinai> Ok, so it seems I am left with 0.75kw ac spindles
[20:04:58] <LeelooMinai> Could I use them to mill small alu parts at small speed?
[20:05:16] <LeelooMinai> I mean overall speed of milling the part
[20:05:49] <jdh> why not buy a combo 1.2kw spindle/vfd? (did I miss that part)
[20:06:18] <LeelooMinai> I think you did:)
[20:06:33] <LeelooMinai> Because seems those VFDs can output 0.75kW max
[20:06:47] <LeelooMinai> (110V ones)
[20:07:12] <jdh> I have not measured mine (1.5kw)
[20:07:50] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: can you use 2 poles and get 220VAC?
[20:07:53] <LeelooMinai> Also, those GS2 drives are otherwise nice: they have good documentation, modbus, etc. Detachable control panel, etc.
[20:08:30] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: In my room upstairs - I don't think so:)
[20:09:18] <CaptHindsight> how about a natural gas powered generator? too much noise?
[20:09:46] <LeelooMinai> That sounds scary... It's in my room, where I sleep, live, and do everything else.
[20:10:26] <CaptHindsight> either settle for 0.75KW or run some larger wires up from the panel
[20:11:10] <LeelooMinai> One other thing I was considering is that there are transformers from 100V to 220V - sub $100 and $2000 watt - not sure if that would help.
[20:11:22] <LeelooMinai> 2000*
[20:11:49] <jdh> magical power
[20:11:58] <CaptHindsight> all you'd have then is 220vac 7.5A vs 110vac 15A
[20:12:18] <jdh> less transformer losses
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[20:12:44] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I realize that, but maybe those 220V vfds would have less derating then? I don't know
[20:13:23] <LeelooMinai> They have 3HP rated ones for 220V
[20:13:49] <jdh> my 1.5kw rated vfd/spindle way exceeds my expectations
[20:13:53] <CaptHindsight> only other option would be having a large battery bank to store power for when you actually need >0.75KW
[20:14:32] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: Sounds potentially expensive? :)
[20:14:48] <jdh> you could get solar panels to charge the batteries
[20:15:05] <LeelooMinai> I mean the battery purchase part.
[20:15:06] <CaptHindsight> yes, unless you happen to find a Tesla battery pack (or similar) that fell off a truck :)
[20:15:20] <CaptHindsight> or a giant flywheel
[20:15:32] <LeelooMinai> Right, I think I saw some fallen off the track passig by my house yesterday
[20:16:10] <jdh> you could make a giant flywheel for the attic. it could also help steady your house in the waves.
[20:16:26] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I think those 220V ones provide more output power simply because 220V single phase is rated at more than 15A input
[20:16:39] <LeelooMinai> Well, more than 15/2A input
[20:16:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?1333237_g10e ~$100K 300KW
[20:17:01] <LeelooMinai> lol
[20:17:11] <LeelooMinai> Is there a huige flywheel inside?
[20:17:29] <jdh> so, you just have theoretical issues with 1.5/2.2kw rated combos?
[20:17:45] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Example_of_cylindrical_flywheel_rotor_assembly.png
[20:18:24] <LeelooMinai> jdh: I have 110V 10A outlets - I would say that is practical not theoretical issue:)
[20:18:40] <jdh> move?
[20:18:58] <LeelooMinai> Move where? Out of North America?:p
[20:18:59] <jdh> I'd hate to have a mill in my bedroom.
[20:19:00] <CaptHindsight> maybe a very large water tank to store water for the generator and wheel
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[20:19:28] <jdh> I do not think I have any 10A only outlets
[20:19:31] <LeelooMinai> jdh: It's not like I will mill anything while sleeping
[20:19:41] <LeelooMinai> 15A*
[20:19:43] <CaptHindsight> 110v 12A pump will get you how many gallons per hour while asleep?
[20:19:58] <jdh> I have enough issues with chips in shoes/shirts/etc while in the garage
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[20:20:24] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: I am waiting for proposing a wind mill on top of my house next:)
[20:20:26] <jdh> milling aluminum while wearing crocs is not good.
[20:20:48] <LeelooMinai> I could get some flower done in the process.
[20:20:58] <CaptHindsight> jdh: what do you use for a floor mat to wipe your feet before you enter the house? or do you just take off your sandals?
[20:21:39] <LeelooMinai> He can walk the stairs on his hands maybe:)
[20:21:50] <CaptHindsight> put the natural gas generator out in the backyard
[20:22:08] <jdh> plain old mat by the door
[20:24:41] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately there are limits to what one can power in the (typical) home
[20:25:10] <LeelooMinai> I don't plan to mill some huge parts... Maybe 800watt spindle would do?
[20:25:21] <LeelooMinai> If I go slowly
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[20:36:45] <CaptHindsight> I have an old Bridgeport that is only 1-1.5KW
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[20:38:44] <CaptHindsight> just checked an it's a 1HP version
[20:39:07] <LeelooMinai> The only problem with those smaller 800watt spindles is that they usually accept only small collets, like ER11. I guess I would need at least ER16 for more flexibility?
[20:39:21] <CaptHindsight> I just don't expect to use a 4" facemill and plow through things
[20:39:59] <LeelooMinai> Right, so that's my thinking too - I don't run some factory, just do hobby stuff, so can go slow and gradually
[20:41:04] <LeelooMinai> Would be nice if I could use that 1.5watt spindle with ER16 collets, but since you say my VFD could explode... oh, well:)
[20:41:12] <LeelooMinai> kW*
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[20:59:23] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: are you seeing any activity up there for diesel to natural gas conversions or factory natural gas powered semi trailer tractors?
[21:00:40] <zeeshan> no
[21:00:52] <zeeshan> they are doing steam engines in tractors
[21:00:52] <zeeshan> lol
[21:01:50] <CaptHindsight> coal or wood fired :)
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[21:04:13] <zeeshan> corn stock fired
[21:04:13] <zeeshan> :P
[21:05:16] <CaptHindsight> so you have to pull into a cornfield or silo for refueling?
[21:05:46] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[21:05:48] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16247508822_49a64c9294_h.jpg
[21:05:52] <zeeshan> how many code violations do you guys spot
[21:06:55] <CaptHindsight> first of all the electricity will flow 90 deg from normal since the panel is sideways
[21:07:02] <zeeshan> ROFL
[21:07:42] <zeeshan> i see 4 code violations
[21:07:53] <CaptHindsight> besides the front cover not being on
[21:07:59] <zeeshan> well not including that
[21:07:59] <zeeshan> :P
[21:08:12] <CaptHindsight> the bx should stop at the connector
[21:08:13] <zeeshan> notice how the ground
[21:08:19] <zeeshan> is going to the neutral bar
[21:08:20] <zeeshan> yep
[21:08:26] <zeeshan> bux is anotrher one .. no anti short bushing
[21:08:29] <zeeshan> vx
[21:08:30] <zeeshan> bx..
[21:08:49] <zeeshan> then the obvious one, running wires directly from the 15 amp breaker
[21:08:51] <CaptHindsight> you're missing a bushing for the jacketed cable
[21:08:59] <CaptHindsight> well yeah
[21:09:03] <zeeshan> and then using a non white conductor
[21:09:06] <zeeshan> for neutral :P
[21:11:11] <CaptHindsight> is the plastic connector from the service?
[21:11:21] <CaptHindsight> lower middle
[21:11:28] <JT-Shop> looks like you can touch up powder coat and reheat it :)
[21:11:30] <zeeshan> nahh
[21:11:42] <zeeshan> that goes to my house panel
[21:11:46] <zeeshan> which is sub panel now
[21:12:15] <CaptHindsight> you went with an aluminum bus bar!
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[21:12:27] <zeeshan> no
[21:12:30] <zeeshan> thats copper
[21:12:33] <zeeshan> tin plated
[21:12:52] <zeeshan> notice the plating bubbling :P
[21:13:00] <CaptHindsight> thats no fun, I like the finish of bare copper
[21:13:18] <zeeshan> me too
[21:13:25] <zeeshan> but tin plating makes it better for longetivity
[21:13:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.teknomega.com/image/image_gallery_uuid=a43845cb-6d1e-48c1-9414-73a386c248a9&groupId=107550&t=1288429829874
[21:14:06] <zeeshan> yea man
[21:14:15] <zeeshan> i did a lot of that at eaton
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[21:14:41] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zpsc0883b70.jpg
[21:15:47] <zeeshan> i believe that was for a data center
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[21:15:54] <zeeshan> yea it was.
[21:15:57] <zeeshan> http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/null_zps20437ba7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=189
[21:16:00] <CaptHindsight> we once had a 2000A service with a GFCI that would trip
[21:16:00] <zeeshan> this one was for a hospital
[21:16:08] <zeeshan> they spec all their stuff to be coated
[21:16:27] <zeeshan> http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/null_zps8c8e5be8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=183
[21:16:28] <CaptHindsight> ended up being that GE installed the current sense sensor backwards
[21:16:35] <zeeshan> hahja CaptHindsight
[21:16:37] <zeeshan> that happens
[21:16:48] <zeeshan> and its a bitch to change
[21:16:55] <zeeshan> if its not the split kind of current transducer
[21:17:09] <CaptHindsight> it sucks when you're trying to find out why and whats leaking
[21:17:23] <CaptHindsight> and it ends up being faulty brand new equipment
[21:18:28] <zeeshan> it happens
[21:18:33] <zeeshan> it shouldnt, but it does
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[21:20:35] <CaptHindsight> why do small CNG conversion kits cost $10K?
[21:20:49] <zeeshan> absolutely no idea
[21:20:55] <zeeshan> probably need special injectors
[21:20:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/gms-pickup-truck-cng-conversion-costs-11000/
[21:21:01] <zeeshan> need high pressure lines..
[21:21:08] <zeeshan> tank fitting..?
[21:21:17] <zeeshan> most time consuming part is prolly retuning the car for cng
[21:21:39] <zeeshan> i wouldnt run cng
[21:21:41] <zeeshan> too dangerous
[21:21:55] <zeeshan> especially with gas prices so low :P
[21:22:29] <zeeshan> jeez its at 48.36 / barrel
[21:22:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Breathing+diesel+exhaust+induces+changes+study+finds/10710209/story.html
[21:23:16] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's not economical
[21:24:09] <CaptHindsight> plus it looks like they have made them difficult to sell in the US by requiring EPA certification of >$100k
[21:24:33] <malcom2073> Well... I bought a mill
[21:25:08] <bobo_> long term LP gas has some value
[21:25:12] <zeeshan> you didnt buy my mill did you
[21:25:12] <zeeshan> lol
[21:25:15] <zeeshan> i sold one today
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[21:25:27] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Is your name Mark, and did I just hang out with you? :P
[21:25:40] <zeeshan> hah no
[21:25:43] <CaptHindsight> what did you get?
[21:25:49] <zeeshan> pics!
[21:25:53] <malcom2073> It's a Clausing Kondia
[21:26:00] <malcom2073> no pics, taking pics tomorrow
[21:26:09] <malcom2073> It needs work
[21:26:16] <zeeshan> bridgeport clone?
[21:26:28] <malcom2073> surface rust on the ways, electronics are questionable
[21:26:33] <malcom2073> it's a knee mill yea
[21:26:55] <malcom2073> CNC
[21:27:01] <malcom2073> has ballscrews already :-D
[21:27:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXndED39O4 like this one (only without the fisheye vision)
[21:27:06] <zeeshan> nice
[21:27:19] <zeeshan> http://runtrails.com/mymountaintrail/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140623dcapshaw-6957.jpg
[21:27:21] <zeeshan> looks biger
[21:27:22] <zeeshan> than a birdgeport
[21:27:37] <malcom2073> http://www.uvotech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/FV1-Brochure.pdf
[21:27:42] <malcom2073> Like that
[21:27:53] <malcom2073> Similar, but older than the video
[21:28:01] <zeeshan> nice 3000+lb
[21:28:10] <zeeshan> what kind of taper?
[21:28:12] <zeeshan> it must be not r8
[21:28:13] <malcom2073> Actually... may be identical to the one in the video
[21:28:13] <zeeshan> if its cn
[21:28:14] <zeeshan> c
[21:28:22] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Not R8... not sure.
[21:28:32] <zeeshan> whatrever isa 30 is
[21:28:32] <malcom2073> I'll take pics tomorrow
[21:28:32] <zeeshan> :P
[21:28:43] <malcom2073> yeah
[21:30:28] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2Wj-MDAP4 That, but a much beefier spindle, and cnc not power feed
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[21:33:16] <zeeshan> c
[21:33:24] <zeeshan> congrads on your new purchase , is a ncie machine
[21:33:52] <malcom2073> Thanks. Its gonna get a linuxcnc retrofit, if I can't use the servos, i have an anaheim automation 10A 3 axis stepper driver i picked up from an auction for super cheap...
[21:34:06] <zeeshan> dont do it!
[21:34:08] <zeeshan> dont!
[21:34:51] <malcom2073> Servos worth the effort to use?
[21:34:58] <zeeshan> yea
[21:35:02] <zeeshan> especially if theyre already on the machine
[21:35:04] <CaptHindsight> what so hard about servos?
[21:35:09] <zeeshan> and you got a driver
[21:35:26] <malcom2073> If I can hook the drivers to linuxcnc, sure.
[21:35:27] <zeeshan> you have the ability to do full closed loop with linuxcnc
[21:35:28] <zeeshan> take advantage of it
[21:35:36] <zeeshan> you should be able to
[21:35:42] <zeeshan> especially using a 7i77
[21:35:54] <malcom2073> I believe it has slides for feedback, its got huge boxes along each rail, it's weird
[21:36:08] <zeeshan> it probably uses absolute encoders
[21:36:20] <zeeshan> which is more reason not to get rid of servos
[21:36:35] <zeeshan> absolute encoder machines from back in the day are slow in terms of speed
[21:36:36] <malcom2073> Ok, well expect lots of questions in the next few months :-P
[21:36:37] <zeeshan> i think limited to 300 ipm
[21:36:46] <malcom2073> Speed isn't a huge issue, I got time
[21:36:47] <zeeshan> but theyre super accurate
[21:38:50] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjTVBSsPOKU
[21:38:53] <zeeshan> secksi
[21:39:20] <zeeshan> lol at it being called a 3 axis
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[21:43:18] <malcom2073> lol 3
[21:43:25] <CaptHindsight> heh 1st comment "Mazak does it better at at lower cost"
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[21:59:14] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:00:30] <malcom2073> gn8? goodnate? gunate?
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[22:09:12] <bobo_> zeeshan: is that elect pannel a service enterance or a sub feed pannel?
[22:10:31] <bobo_> service enterence
[22:18:28] <Loetmichel> malcom2073: german. "gute n(acht)"
[22:18:46] <malcom2073> Ah, that makes more sense, thanks. I've seen that before never understood it
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[22:19:56] <Loetmichel> which is literally "good night"
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[23:07:43] <zeeshan> bobo_: service entrance
[23:08:23] <CaptHindsight> http://makezine.com/2015/01/07/circular-knitic-an-open-hardware-knitting-machine/ I'm going to combine this with SLA and carbon fiber
[23:09:59] <CaptHindsight> The Carbolaseresinter Printer
[23:11:02] <furrywolf> went to a few yard sales today... didn't get much. a new harbor freight stainless screw assortment (the one with the pull-out drawers) for $5, and a M&K MX-80 powered sub, also $5.
[23:11:55] <malcom2073> It has a QC30 spindle, which is apparently a Erickson quick change
[23:12:19] <malcom2073> And is compatible with NMTB30 tool holders, if they're actually made to spec
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[23:12:27] <malcom2073> No tooling comes with it... figures.
[23:12:51] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Miller-Kreisel-M-K-MX-80-Audiophile-Powered-Subwoofer-/151464024722 I don't need more speakers, but for $5, I wasn't going to leave it there. :)
[23:13:24] <CaptHindsight> that becomes the problem, 10 years later you have all this neat stuff that you never use
[23:13:34] <furrywolf> ebay! :P
[23:13:48] <CaptHindsight> 5-10 years is my new max
[23:14:15] <furrywolf> according to ebay, I can turn a $200+ profit if I get rid of it.
[23:14:20] <CaptHindsight> if it's still in the box I get rid of it (even though two weeks later I'll finally need it )
[23:15:13] * JT-Shop has a kwik switch spindle on the BP
[23:16:02] <CaptHindsight> been tempted to do the same but it's an old J head
[23:16:14] <furrywolf> I've been tempted to make a faux fur making machine, but never a knitting machine. I think there's an untapped market for specialty faux fur products that would require a special machine to create.
[23:16:25] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll replace it with something newer and with more power
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[23:16:58] <furrywolf> it's a form of knitting, just with very different inputs and output.
[23:17:01] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: adhesive film, fur + wind tunnel?
[23:17:31] <furrywolf> no. :P
[23:18:17] <furrywolf> I know at least one company making specialty faux fur uses an antique wigmaking machine...
[23:19:07] <XXCoder> check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rih84vg3Frk
[23:19:42] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: which head is on yours?
[23:20:10] <CaptHindsight> I guess I could just make a new head for mine
[23:20:12] <zeeshan> is it true you cant run bare ground
[23:20:14] <zeeshan> in a conduit
[23:21:31] <furrywolf> dunno, but I generally run thhn in conduit, which is stranded, and you don't see a lot of bare stranded wire...
[23:21:34] <CaptHindsight> bare grounds are ok
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[23:22:12] <zeeshan> ll conductors are required to be insulated per section 310.2(A), however the exception states bare conductors are allowed where permitted by other sections of the code, such as 250.119 which states egc can be bare, covered, or insulated.
[23:22:12] <zeeshan> ??
[23:22:37] <JT-Shop> series 1
[23:23:32] <CaptHindsight> 250.62 says that you can use solid wire as a GEC.
[23:23:47] <CaptHindsight> 250.64 specifically says the GEC can be in a conduit if it is #6 or smaller without regard to whether it is stranded or solid. For GECs larger than #6 it does not specifically state it can be in conduit, but it is implied.
[23:24:20] <CaptHindsight> it must be green or bare or reidentify with green tape if larger than #6 200.6
[23:24:47] <CaptHindsight> forget that
[23:25:04] <zeeshan> ??
[23:25:21] <CaptHindsight> it just has to be sized properly
[23:25:30] <zeeshan> ok good!
[23:25:31] <CaptHindsight> color or jacket is not required
[23:25:46] <CaptHindsight> but the inspector might want green tape on the ends
[23:26:02] <furrywolf> and you might want green tape on the ends, so you know which is which after you pull them...
[23:26:21] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its pulled
[23:26:32] <zeeshan> i got black black white bare
[23:26:35] <zeeshan> easy to identify :)
[23:26:44] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16247508822_49a64c9294_h.jpg
[23:26:47] <zeeshan> you can see em there
[23:27:37] <XXCoder> http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm interesting. since it's realtime os, I wonder how easy it is to port linuxcnc to ut
[23:27:44] <zeeshan> thank u guys
[23:27:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Bridgeport-4hp-series-2-CNC-Three-Milling-machines-to-pick-from-pick-one-/141536993277
[23:28:40] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: it's not a <40 hour project
[23:29:03] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:29:06] <XXCoder> its asm based
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[23:32:22] <CaptHindsight> reverse engineer QNX
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[23:34:46] <XXCoder> I remember old qnx demo disk
[23:34:51] <XXCoder> that was damned impressive
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[23:36:44] <XXCoder> http://kolibrios.org/en/
[23:36:54] <XXCoder> wow almost as impressive as qnx
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[23:38:16] <furrywolf> I hate my connection.
[23:38:57] <XXCoder> http://kolibrios.org/en/ check this out
[23:40:24] <furrywolf> "Have you ever dreamed of a system that boots in less than 10 seconds from power-on to working GUI, on $100 PC? " ... kinda like linux on any sub-$100 pc?
[23:41:21] <furrywolf> I think my toughbook boots in about that, and it's loading a whole lot more crap than they are.
[23:41:22] <furrywolf> and written entirely in asm tends to imply unmaintainable by anyone other than whomever wrote it the first time.
[23:42:19] <XXCoder> there is that unless heavily documunated
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[23:42:47] <CaptHindsight> coreboot boots in <1 sec
[23:43:09] <CaptHindsight> the limitation is on the flash bandwidth
[23:45:02] <furrywolf> in addition to hating my internet connection, I also hate inkjets. I just tried printing a photo. the colors are way off. did a nozzle test... no yellow to speak of, and magenta is printing as black! normally I'd assume that meant just the end of the nozzle soaked up some black from the cleaning pads, but I just printed a 4x6 photo, which would be sure to get it all out! wtf?
[23:46:40] <gennro> inkjet printers, meh
[23:47:05] <CaptHindsight> the idea behind inkjet printers is to get you to buy as much ink as possible
[23:47:29] <XXCoder> inkjet ink is more expensive than blood
[23:47:34] <XXCoder> let alone oil
[23:47:46] <XXCoder> get laser printer
[23:47:56] <CaptHindsight> $5/L ink that gets sold for $5K/L after being filled into 15mL cartridges
[23:48:19] <furrywolf> I have a color laser printer in storage, but it's too low resolution for photos, and it needs a new blue transfer belt thingy, which costs as much as the printer is worth.
[23:48:25] <gennro> yeah I bought a laser printer a few months ago
[23:48:29] <XXCoder> chart
http://boingboing.net/filesroot/200912301004.jpg
[23:48:54] <CaptHindsight> I make my own ink so it costs me less than a laser
[23:49:25] <XXCoder> nice. how?
[23:49:56] <gennro> I was always told inkjet ink was unicorn blood.....
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[23:51:22] <furrywolf> hrmm, I'm no expert on the price of blood, but I do know when we ship boxes of it at work, they're insured in the $3k-$5k range. from what I've seen of them packing them, each one contains maybe 10 "units" of I think a pint each, or about 5L. by my math, that's closer to $1/ml...
[23:51:29] <gennro> so running machinekit on a raspberry pi using the GPIOs to run a 3d printer, even possible?
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[23:53:16] <furrywolf> no idea what machinekit is, but gpios should be fine for running a 3d printer, and the pi certainly has the cpu power.
[23:53:51] <gennro> machinekit is a fork of linuxcnc that supports more hardware and is upadting all the legacy stuff
[23:54:10] <gennro> better support for 3d printers and embedded linux solutions
[23:54:38] <furrywolf> wow they have an awful website.
[23:54:45] <gennro> yes they do
[23:54:50] <gennro> pi
[23:54:58] <CaptHindsight> the arm soc on the Rpi doesn't have real time GPIO's
[23:55:28] <gennro> yeah that is what I heard
[23:55:48] <CaptHindsight> machinekit uses the TI BBB with the two microcontrollers on chip that can handle real time stepping
[23:55:56] <furrywolf> can you bitbang the video port or something silly?
[23:56:43] <gennro> have also thought about using an arduino nano as a buffer
[23:56:48] <furrywolf> progress! ... maybe. now I have yellow, but no cyan nor magenta.
[23:57:34] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: soak the nozzles of cartridges in some IPA for a few minutes
[23:58:06] <furrywolf> and apparantly I don't print much yellow, as I have two yellow carts and one black cart left.
