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[00:00:18] <zeeshan|2> accoprding to that pdf
[00:00:23] <zeeshan|2> since i got conitunity between all pins
[00:00:32] <zeeshan|2> it could be a double-delta/extended delta.
[00:00:39] <zeeshan|2> or "dahlander (2 speed)"
[00:00:39] <furrywolf> since all six are connected, I'd say dahlander.
[00:00:49] <furrywolf> yes.
[00:01:53] <zeeshan|2> e delta PWS, or a 2-speed 1-wind - ing. Of the various possibilities of �6 unmarked leads�, the 2-speed 1-wind - ing is the most challenging to identify
[00:01:54] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:01:55] <zeeshan|2> GREAT!
[00:02:15] <furrywolf> you don't have unmarked leads. you have marked leads.
[00:02:34] <furrywolf> the forum post I pasted above sounds right to me. connect it and see it run. :P
[00:03:11] <zeeshan|2> i wonder find out for a while
[00:03:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:03:14] <zeeshan|2> im just wiring stuff up
[00:03:24] <furrywolf> ?
[00:03:35] <zeeshan|2> i still need 3 awg wire
[00:03:42] <zeeshan|2> to run a breaker panel to where the machine is
[00:03:53] <furrywolf> you don't need 3awg wire to test that motor.
[00:03:56] <zeeshan|2> i know
[00:04:01] <zeeshan|2> but its all in the box right now
[00:04:04] <zeeshan|2> and i dont wanna disassemble shit
[00:04:13] <zeeshan|2> to power it up i need to give power to the fuse block
[00:04:32] <zeeshan|2> i guess i can remove the fuses
[00:04:37] <zeeshan|2> for the other components :P
[00:05:04] <zeeshan|2> need to find some wire to make it to where the cnc is
[00:05:10] <zeeshan|2> 14AWG extension cable!
[00:05:26] <furrywolf> 14awg is fine for no-load testing of that motor
[00:05:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: remove drywall, cut live wires,
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[00:06:07] <furrywolf> don't you have LEDs to be playing with/
[00:06:08] <furrywolf> ?
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[00:10:49] <Tom_itx> pcw_home around?
[00:11:02] <furrywolf> brb
[00:18:40] <Jymmm> Shit, not having a drink in months I'd fail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvuWci2eoE8
[00:19:34] <_methods> why would you not drink in months?
[00:19:40] <_methods> no one likes a quitter
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[00:19:56] <Jymmm> lol
[00:20:42] <Jymmm> I'm not a quiter you bastard, just a lightweight =)
[00:20:47] <Jymmm> these days
[00:21:27] <_methods> hahah
[00:21:28] <Jymmm> Though I do like my Cadillac MArgaritas with Jose Cuervo Gold, on the ricks, with ice.
[00:21:36] <Jymmm> rocks*
[00:21:47] <_methods> from the super crew that brought you the butt selfie stick and the handicorn.......i give you
[00:21:50] <_methods> http://signup.thefoothammock.com/
[00:21:57] <Jymmm> Bascially you smell it before you ever get near it =)
[00:22:19] <_methods> apparently today is stupid invention day
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[00:24:26] <Tom_itx> gawd my head hurts... barometer 31.1 - highest since 1983
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[00:35:33] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I for tom
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[00:38:14] <Tom_itx> This video is not available.
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[00:42:44] <SpeedEvil> aww
[00:42:52] <SpeedEvil> Queen - Under Pressure
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[00:49:42] <_methods> get out a foot hammock, kick back and relax with your handicorn i promise your headache will go away
[00:49:52] <_methods> a swat team might show up though
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[01:07:58] <unfy> we've been discussing the handicorn on a few occaissions
[01:08:06] <unfy> "that's not even as useful as the handicorn" etc
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[01:10:49] <witnit_> oooh did someone mention the handicorn?
[01:10:56] <witnit_> I have two on order now
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[01:12:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:14:12] <Jymmm> handicorn?
[01:16:33] <SpeedEvil> http://geyserofawesome.com/post/107325330552/tired-of-your-boring-old-hand-transform-it-into-a
[01:18:02] <Jymmm> lol, cute =)
[01:19:52] <witnit_> I feel like if I order only one, it would get had and lonely
[01:20:28] <witnit_> sad*
[01:22:17] <_methods> i'm pretty sure if you buy a handicorn you get put on some sort of sex offender list
[01:22:25] <witnit_> hahhahhh
[01:23:15] <witnit_> what about all the bros for that unicorn cartoon
[01:23:26] <witnit_> i bet they ll have handicorns
[01:23:48] <_methods> they're also on sex offender lists already
[01:24:33] <witnit_> I play world of tanks, there seems to be alot of those guys out there
[01:24:45] <witnit_> whole battalions with little unicorns on there tanks
[01:24:58] <_methods> i hope you terminate them with prejudice
[01:25:00] <witnit_> their*?
[01:25:13] <witnit_> so much predjudice
[01:25:55] <witnit_> they be pew pew pew, and im all like ahh ahh ahh not tooodaayy broski
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[02:23:44] <zeeshan|2> aww furry diisconnected
[02:23:50] <zeeshan|2> spindle motor worked :)
[02:23:59] <zeeshan|2> it is a 2 speed motor
[02:24:18] <zeeshan|2> since i had 3 extra wired, i just ran them parallel to the same point
[02:24:20] <zeeshan|2> from the motor to the vfd
[02:24:26] <zeeshan|2> =)
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[02:31:51] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: how flat are the parts you need to print?
[02:31:57] <XXCoder> wow
[02:32:09] <XXCoder> its impossible to find luggage light parts
[02:32:15] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: +/- 10 micron
[02:32:19] <XXCoder> mines not connected properly and I find find hpw
[02:32:26] <XXCoder> *cant find how
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[02:38:19] <Tom_itx> pcw_home?
[02:39:57] <zeeshan|2> theoretical question of the night: what is the point of having a ground wire from a motor to an enclosure thats bolted to the machine? if you measure the resistance between the motor frame and eneclosure star ground point , its less than 1 ohm
[02:40:21] <zeeshan|2> (without running that wire)
[02:40:27] <Tom_itx> redundancy
[02:40:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:40:38] <zeeshan|2> but its held in by like 4 bolts!
[02:40:45] <zeeshan|2> thats hell of a lot more stronger than say 1 wire
[02:41:06] <Tom_itx> and you've never seen a corroded bolt?
[02:41:14] <roycroft> and over time those bolts could corrode such that they no longer conduct well
[02:41:43] <zeeshan|2> but even the flange of the motor
[02:41:49] <zeeshan|2> is resting against the machine
[02:41:53] <zeeshan|2> and its bare
[02:42:00] <zeeshan|2> i guess that can corrode too after some time
[02:42:03] <zeeshan|2> makes sense
[02:42:06] <Tom_itx> in the beginning the rule book was written... don't question the rule book!
[02:42:18] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: its nice to know an answer to a question like this
[02:42:38] <zeeshan|2> my dad likes to throw "back home, we never used to do that!"
[02:42:41] <Tom_itx> well i'm considering the same issues you are with my control box
[02:42:45] <zeeshan|2> i like to give him answers
[02:42:46] <roycroft> you've obviously never worked on a car before :)
[02:42:51] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: i have.
[02:42:57] <zeeshan|2> a LOT!
[02:43:04] <roycroft> they always have redundand ground straps
[02:43:15] <zeeshan|2> they do
[02:43:21] <zeeshan|2> they dont rely on the bolts from the engine to the frame
[02:43:31] <roycroft> and even though there's a lot of bare metal bolted together, when those ground straps start getting wonky you have ground problems
[02:43:32] <zeeshan|2> a lot of them theyre isolated caus eof rubber mounts
[02:44:19] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/Ut6z6fE.jpg
[02:44:21] <zeeshan|2> i dont work on cars!
[02:46:24] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps1e2af762.jpg
[02:46:27] <zeeshan|2> i dont work on cars :D
[02:46:38] * zeeshan|2 ends rant
[02:50:12] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: how do I find info on stuff like rear door luggage light stuff?
[02:50:24] <XXCoder> its not put together right by previous owner and i cant fix it
[02:50:48] <zeeshan|2> whatcha trying to do
[02:51:04] <XXCoder> well put it togerher
[02:51:09] <XXCoder> pretty much duh ;)
[02:51:21] <zeeshan|2> like throw a bulb in there?
[02:51:30] <zeeshan|2> or wire up anew luggage light housing
[02:51:40] <XXCoder> it falls out of door, the light housing
[02:51:49] <zeeshan|2> oh
[02:51:52] <zeeshan|2> thats usually an oem part :/
[02:52:08] <XXCoder> its not broken
[02:52:08] <zeeshan|2> maybe you can epoxy a new tab?
[02:52:12] <XXCoder> so far it looks fine
[02:52:16] <XXCoder> no broken tab
[02:52:33] <XXCoder> problem is I dont see how it should be placed in such way cover can attachn to it too.
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[02:52:50] <zeeshan|2> got a pic?
[02:53:10] <skunkworks> zeeshan|2: what car is that?
[02:53:17] <XXCoder> hold on though trying to google new word - housing
[02:53:19] <zeeshan|2> rx7
[02:53:23] <skunkworks> ah
[02:53:47] <XXCoder> that is fancy
http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/2004-2013-nissan-quest-trunk-light-led lol
[02:53:53] * furrywolf sees a mention of rx7s, and looks for a bucket of spare apex seals
[02:54:01] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: it worked!
[02:54:07] <furrywolf> your motor?
[02:54:13] <zeeshan|2> yes
[02:54:20] <zeeshan|2> you were right u1 v1 w1 is one speed
[02:54:24] <zeeshan|2> the 2's is the other
[02:54:38] <zeeshan|2> i disconnected all the wires from u2 v2 and w2
[02:54:48] <zeeshan|2> and just run those wires in parallel with the u1 v1 w1 line
[02:54:53] <zeeshan|2> since im only running one speed cause of the vfd
[02:55:04] <furrywolf> you can get those LED panel lights, with dome bulb adapters, much cheaper elsewhere.
[02:55:04] <zeeshan|2> figured they might as well share some current :)
[02:55:31] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: no apex seals here
[02:55:36] <zeeshan|2> blew too many rotarys
[02:55:37] <zeeshan|2> haha
[02:55:59] <skunkworks> boost in -> apex seals out
[02:56:04] <zeeshan|2> hahah exactly
[02:56:13] <furrywolf> my favorite was a relative's rx7 that, the second you started it, would launch the dipstick about twenty feet into the air. seems the side seals were blown...
[02:56:19] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: I guess its something that tend to be immortal basically
[02:56:27] <XXCoder> so nobody shows how to fix the darned thing
[02:56:34] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[02:56:43] <zeeshan|2> id need to see a pic of it
[02:56:44] <zeeshan|2> or a video
[02:56:45] <witnit_> does anyone have a good source for ipblacklists? something i can dump into smoothwall
[02:56:52] <zeeshan|2> //c4.staticflickr.com/8/7509/15977406582_f557f9dc96_h.jpg
[02:56:59] <zeeshan|2> so check out how my cnc controller came wired originally
[02:57:09] <zeeshan|2> theyre using bare spade connectors!
[02:57:09] <XXCoder> holy ethernet batman
[02:57:11] * furrywolf hands zeeshan some more letters
[02:57:22] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7509/15977406582_f557f9dc96_h.jpg
[02:57:33] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: whats the rear door called
[02:57:34] <XXCoder> hatch?
[02:57:42] <zeeshan|2> hatch in a 3 door
[02:57:48] <zeeshan|2> trunk in a 4 door
[02:57:54] <furrywolf> that's not that bad.
[02:57:58] <zeeshan|2> well shit dude
[02:58:03] <zeeshan|2> 2 of those wires are 110V and N
[02:58:07] <zeeshan|2> theyre right next to each other, bare!
[02:58:17] <zeeshan|2> in the red connector
[02:58:17] <furrywolf> don't stick your finger in it while it's on.
[02:58:22] <furrywolf> and don't bypass the line fuse. :P
[02:58:45] <XXCoder> and goodamn dont get dick anywhere near it
[02:58:53] <zeeshan|2> they liked living on the edge back then
[02:58:55] <XXCoder> I read few weird stories
[02:59:20] <furrywolf> I bet my silicone ones are quite excellent insulators.
[02:59:35] <zeeshan|2> finding 600v spade connectors is a pain in the ass
[02:59:38] <zeeshan|2> most stores carry automotive ones
[03:00:02] <furrywolf> hardware stores in the electrical section...
[03:00:17] <zeeshan|2> not the kind im looking for
[03:00:24] <zeeshan|2> http://ca-en.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70084054
[03:00:25] <zeeshan|2> that style
[03:01:00] <furrywolf> in fact, I just bought a 100 pack of blue insulated female disconnects last week, for use on my mill... checking now, 600V, 105C.
[03:01:02] <furrywolf> yes, that style.
[03:01:05] <zeeshan|2> where?
[03:01:07] <zeeshan|2> homed epot?
[03:01:21] <furrywolf> I got mine at Ace, but any hardware store should have them. and, of course, any electrical supply store.
[03:01:33] <zeeshan|2> ill take a loook tomorrow
[03:01:45] <zeeshan|2> i wanna use insulated ones for the 24vdc too
[03:01:51] <zeeshan|2> these are a little too hardcore for me :)
[03:02:30] <furrywolf> I might pick up a pack of red ones tomorrow... almost out.
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[03:03:44] <furrywolf> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA14R2CR2934 apparantly you can buy ace-branded terminals from newegg. lol
[03:06:47] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:06:56] <XXCoder> on one site live chat heh
[03:07:03] <furrywolf> ?
[03:07:26] <XXCoder> help on trying to find that housing light
[03:07:40] <witnit_> I use these things-
http://grafoplast.com/documents/catalogue.pdf
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[03:08:21] <witnit_> they go well with this kind of work
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[03:10:18] <furrywolf> wire markers? bah! as long as you connect your wires one at a time, you don't need to label them. :P
[03:10:39] <furrywolf> it's like working on an old international, where every single wire is the exact same color.
[03:11:20] <XXCoder> bah just use bare wires lol
[03:12:36] <furrywolf> no, that's working on an early '80s ford.
[03:12:58] <roycroft> knob and tube automotive wiring?
[03:13:04] <XXCoder> dammit
[03:13:15] * furrywolf looks for a pictute
[03:13:17] <XXCoder> the part must be basically immortal if nobody has it for sale
[03:13:21] <furrywolf> picture
[03:13:25] <furrywolf> what part?
[03:13:41] <XXCoder> my van's light housing for luggage compartment
[03:14:10] <furrywolf> http://www.fordcontour.org/uploads/1234386282/gallery_2786_155_16654.jpg
[03:14:25] <furrywolf> that's the type of part you get from a local wrecker, not online.
[03:15:03] <XXCoder> problem is im trying to see how it is supposed to be installed
[03:15:10] <furrywolf> you can also look for wreckers with that van in the yard, and ask them to pull it and ship it.
[03:15:25] <XXCoder> I have it. just not installed properly
[03:15:26] <furrywolf> ok. so get it from a local wrecker, and pay attention when removing it.
[03:15:29] <furrywolf> ah
[03:15:43] <XXCoder> previous owner made mess of this van
[03:15:51] <XXCoder> I fixed so many problems
[03:16:17] <XXCoder> for example, side window was held in by zip ties lol
[03:16:24] <XXCoder> rear window couldnt close
[03:16:41] <XXCoder> side door interior cover pops off (still does but better now)
[03:16:42] <roycroft> what?
[03:16:49] <roycroft> he used zip ties intead of duct tape?
[03:17:04] <XXCoder> well it had hole where window nut was supposed to be
[03:17:15] <roycroft> yeah
[03:17:15] <furrywolf> sounds like the car I have.
[03:17:17] <XXCoder> I bought used window nut and its now attached proper;y
[03:17:21] <roycroft> you make a duct tape rope and put it through the hole
[03:17:45] <furrywolf> when I got the car, the brakes didn't work... because it had no front pads. it had no pads because someone put the wrong rotors on, which allowed the pads to fall out between the rotor and bracket.
[03:17:49] <XXCoder> furrywolf: its pretty amazing conidition once couple issues was issues
[03:17:58] <XXCoder> *was fixed
[03:18:07] <XXCoder> most major was fuel pump died
[03:18:16] <furrywolf> every single repair I've done was someone else's repair.
[03:18:18] <XXCoder> followed by way too fucking miles on sparkplugs
[03:18:37] <XXCoder> I would say in least 60,000 miles on 10,000 mile sparklugs
[03:18:42] <furrywolf> as far as I can tell, they "fixed" things that probably weren't even broken, making them broken.
[03:18:46] <XXCoder> fun
[03:19:02] <furrywolf> there's no spark plugs that only last 10k.
[03:19:11] <furrywolf> even the $1.99 cheapos will do 100k.
[03:19:17] <XXCoder> oh well way too many miles whatever its supposed to be
[03:19:31] <XXCoder> maybe even when van was new LOL
[03:19:43] <XXCoder> gaps was way off
[03:19:58] <XXCoder> .056 to 0.076
[03:20:05] <XXCoder> supposed to be all 0.032
[03:20:36] <furrywolf> that's a pretty small gap...
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[03:20:53] <XXCoder> one sparkplug was almost unremovable - I broke 2 tools on it
[03:21:06] <XXCoder> chart says nissan needs 0.032
[03:21:17] <furrywolf> ... must be chinese tools. :P
[03:21:18] <XXCoder> new plugs was all pretty close to that
[03:21:33] <XXCoder> sears buys from chinese? dont think so, since it was 1980s one
[03:21:35] <furrywolf> proper tools will strip the threads out of the head before breaking.
[03:21:43] <XXCoder> other one yea chinese crap
[03:22:08] <furrywolf> heh. all new sears is chinese, as of a year ago or so. Craftsman is now chinese for everything, even the wrenches, sockets, etc.
[03:22:18] <XXCoder> anyway it was so damn hard bonded to block
[03:22:32] <furrywolf> that's why you use a liberal amount of antisieze putting them in.
[03:22:45] <XXCoder> I had to screw it down and out few times so it finally got most of way down (dunno if did go all way in)
[03:22:52] <XXCoder> yeah used e,
[03:22:53] <XXCoder> *em
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[03:23:52] <furrywolf> I think my car is .045 or something.
[03:24:03] <XXCoder> my ford contour is .05
[03:24:13] <XXCoder> heh sparkplugs there was insanely bad shape
[03:24:41] <XXCoder> guess should always replace sparkplugs when buy used car :P
[03:25:35] <roycroft> i don't have any spark plugs in my car
[03:25:39] <roycroft> that makes life easier
[03:26:29] <XXCoder> I bet
[03:26:42] <XXCoder> my bro's car has weird stuff
[03:26:45] <XXCoder> but then its 2014
[03:26:58] <XXCoder> it says ti should last very long time
[03:27:04] <XXCoder> I guess it means 200,000 miles or something
[03:27:13] <roycroft> i'm at 194k miles
[03:27:18] <roycroft> so my engine is almost broken in
[03:27:20] <furrywolf> roycroft: do you have glow plugs, high pressure fuel distributors, and other fun things like that?
[03:27:28] <roycroft> yes, i have all that other fun stuff
[03:28:30] <furrywolf> xxcoder: I replace plugs when I notice ignition-related misfires, not when I buy a car.
[03:28:51] <XXCoder> heh not something I can notice at all
[03:29:00] <XXCoder> well unless its very bad stalling due to that
[03:29:02] * furrywolf has noticed ford glow plugs last about as long as spark plugs...
[03:29:18] <roycroft> my car is a vw
[03:29:29] <roycroft> it uses bosch glow plugs, and they tend to last a long time
[03:29:30] <furrywolf> never worked on a vw diesel. I avoid vws in general.
[03:29:54] <roycroft> i currently own 3 vws
[03:30:03] <roycroft> two air-cooled buses and a tci new beetle
[03:30:34] <furrywolf> you're one of those weird people who likes the yearly engine rebuild, aren't you? :P
[03:30:41] <roycroft> come to think about it, i owned a '59 beetle once
[03:30:51] <roycroft> i also owned an '84 rabbit
[03:30:56] <XXCoder> yearly rebuild means car would live very long time
[03:31:00] <XXCoder> too bad I cant do that LOL
[03:31:05] <roycroft> and currently i have a '65 and a '74 bus, and a '99 beetle
[03:31:08] <XXCoder> honestly i would do 5 yr not yearly
[03:31:15] <roycroft> so a vw made in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s
[03:31:26] <roycroft> vw engines do not need to be rebuilt if they're taken care of
[03:31:30] <roycroft> not for a long long time
[03:31:32] <furrywolf> xxcoder: the life expectancy between rebuilds on an already-rebuilt air-cooled bus motor is something like 9000 miles.
[03:31:48] <XXCoder> pretty low
[03:31:51] <roycroft> funny, i've always gotten a lot more than that
[03:32:04] <roycroft> but i keep them clean, tuned up, and with good air flow
[03:32:08] <roycroft> and i don't abuse them when driving them
[03:32:16] <furrywolf> once they've been bored once, they lose the coating in the cylinders, and combined with the permanent state of overheating...
[03:32:34] <roycroft> except if you drive them correctly they don't ever overheat
[03:32:49] <roycroft> all that said i much prefer the type iv engine in my '74 bus
[03:32:53] <furrywolf> do you define "correctly" to include "keeping up with traffic"?
[03:33:10] <roycroft> they're a lot more robust than the upright engines
[03:33:16] <furrywolf> because if everyone else is going 70mph up a hill, you should too. :P
[03:33:19] <roycroft> i keep up with traffic
[03:33:23] <roycroft> but i'm allergic to freeways
[03:33:29] <furrywolf> lol
[03:33:32] <roycroft> and i don't go 70mph ever
[03:33:42] <roycroft> not uphill, not downhill, not in any of my vehicles
[03:33:51] <roycroft> the speed limit is 65mph on the freeways in oregon
[03:33:54] <furrywolf> see, for people who actually go places, at traffic speed, those engines last a year or so.
[03:33:54] <XXCoder> I heard some company finally figured how to do aluminum cyl. wall
[03:33:56] <roycroft> and 55 on the not freeways
[03:34:03] <XXCoder> so same temp = way better seal and better life
[03:34:09] <roycroft> and i drive 99+ % of the time on the not freeways
[03:34:10] <XXCoder> *same temp expansion pattern
[03:34:16] <furrywolf> all the reliable ones I've seen had subaru motors in them. :P
[03:34:42] <roycroft> there are high performance air-cooled vw engines
[03:34:50] <roycroft> but they're built from brand new engine cases
[03:34:54] <roycroft> and they're very expensive
[03:35:10] <furrywolf> someone I know recently got a project... a super beetle / subaru hybrid. not just a subaru motor, but the entire subaru drivetrain, suspension, wheels, steering...
[03:35:25] <furrywolf> front engined, of course
[03:35:31] <roycroft> i agree the the old upright engine cases are never the same after they're align-bored
[03:35:40] <Valen> I saw somebody stick an AWD subaru turbo something into a brumby i think
[03:35:49] <roycroft> the type iv pancake engine case rarely needs to be bored
[03:36:02] <roycroft> the type iv case is magnesium
[03:36:07] <Valen> or was it a mightyboy
[03:36:12] <furrywolf> it's half '70s super beetle and half '89 subaru, cut and welded at the rockers. so it has a subaru floor pan, but everything over it is vw.
[03:36:14] <roycroft> which is always fun when a moron who doesn't know any better starts welding on one :)
[03:37:02] <furrywolf> it looks perfectly normal, until you realize it has subaru rims, 4x4,...
[03:38:50] <furrywolf> I've never seen a vw engine burn, but I have seen a magnesium transmission burn... it's like a pure white ball of light, lighting up everything for a mile around...
[03:39:21] <XXCoder> thats one of things I want to do
[03:39:36] <XXCoder> just get junk magnesium
[03:39:45] <XXCoder> campfire with em
[03:40:47] <roycroft> or get a chunk of sodium and toss it in the lake
[03:40:55] <XXCoder> thats other one lol
[03:41:12] <roycroft> campfire in the rain
[03:41:23] <roycroft> in fact, when it rains it burns brighter
[03:41:25] <furrywolf> the problem with that is the tendency of the lake to toss the sodium back at you. (really!)
[03:41:34] <roycroft> yes, it's pretty violent stuff
[03:41:40] <XXCoder> yeah I would build some dropper
[03:41:46] <XXCoder> so it bounces up. probably.
[03:42:05] <XXCoder> roy its because its so hot it cracks water into oxy and hyrogen and burns em
[03:42:07] <roycroft> an excuse to build a trebuche!
[03:42:29] <roycroft> to hell with tossing pumpkins
[03:42:32] <roycroft> toss sodium
[03:42:42] <furrywolf> air cannons always win.
[03:43:29] <XXCoder> dry ice bombs :P
[03:46:32] <furrywolf> http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-long-sordid-tale-of-our-road-trip-through-frozen-hell-with-the-best-and-worst-station-wagons-in-the-world/ lol
[03:53:42] <XXCoder> reading lol
[03:55:05] <furrywolf> I've been on trips like that in vehicles like that. always fun!
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[03:57:18] <PetefromTn_> Well folks..I was offered a position at a local machine shop today without even being asked LOL...Kinda surprised me but nice at the same time
[03:57:54] <furrywolf> "I suggested in the strongest possible terms that we explore Plan B, which involved pushing the Reliant into the ditch and setting it on fire, warming our hands on the flames and cheering the demise of this horrible goddamn car"
[03:58:26] <furrywolf> pete: heh, I've been offered a job at sears and the local motor rebuild shop, just randomly...
[03:59:17] <PetefromTn_> the nice thing is I will be working with a friend who I worked with at the last shop I was working in. He is a nice fellow and we get along pretty good.
[03:59:32] <Tom_itx> so you took the job?
[04:00:37] <furrywolf> a customer was at sears trying to order a part for his air compressor, and the staff were too incompetent to figure out which part he needed (he was fucking holding it! an unloader valve!). they had three staff people all incompetently poking at their website trying to find what it was.
[04:00:52] <PetefromTn_> well they offered me a GOOD wage and they are going to let me work there on my choice of hours which should allow me to still work in my own shop enough so I am going in tomorrow morning to speak with them again about it. They seem very nice.
[04:01:02] <furrywolf> I explained to the customer what it was, found it on their website, and told him how to install it. the manager promptly asked me if I wanted to work there. lol
[04:02:25] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf nice man..
[04:02:31] <furrywolf> pete: sounds like a good job
[04:02:31] <witnit_> smooth
[04:03:36] <PetefromTn_> the nice thing is it is a smallish shop with only two other employees one of which is my friend and it is a nice clean heated place to work.
[04:03:40] <furrywolf> the motor shop was the rotor for my welder... I'd replaced a broken slipring, spliced the field winding to it, nicely wrapped it in twine and epoxied it... but didn't have a lathe big enough to turn it round, so I brought it to them. the guy there looked at it, and mentioned they could use some more help....
[04:04:16] <furrywolf> pete: as long as the owner isn't an asshole, that's a good thing.
[04:04:55] <PetefromTn_> I only had a short convo with him so far and he SEEMED nice. He is from Brazil and sounded very intelligent over the phone.
[04:06:49] <Tom_itx> doing what? running cncs or programming or both?
[04:06:57] <PetefromTn_> both
[04:07:41] <furrywolf> tom: in a 3-person shop, both, plus sweeping, making coffee, repairs, answering the phone, purchasing,...
[04:07:57] <PetefromTn_> they have HAAS VMC's and use Mastercam just like the other local shops and they have several CNC turning centers. Hopefully I will get some more time on both and learn even more.
[04:08:00] <furrywolf> the smaller the shop, the less well-defined anyone's job is.
[04:08:03] <witnit_> you learn so much doing it all
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[04:08:43] <PetefromTn_> true but it also means that there will most likely not be a lot of pecking order and everyone needs to pull the weight whenever possible however possible.
[04:08:59] <witnit_> yup
[04:09:16] <PetefromTn_> if it works out it works out if it doesn't it doesn't...
[04:09:23] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, i've been there
[04:09:37] <witnit_> do what you are best at and fill in as many gaps as you can
[04:09:52] <PetefromTn_> I am hopeful it will be something I can do and still have enough time to get a lot of work done in my own shop. I have current orders pending right now too...
[04:10:09] <Tom_itx> the owner was a good friend though which helped alot
[04:10:13] <witnit_> do you have production work or singular?
[04:10:55] <PetefromTn_> it is apparently kind of a short run/prototype shop.
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[04:11:19] <witnit_> its hard to judge how much time you really have when you do that kind of work
[04:12:03] <witnit_> things get rushed one minute or you have to wait on some key aspect of a job to be worked out before you can continue
[04:12:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pretty familiar with this sort of work the last shop I worked in did the same basic things...
[04:13:00] <witnit_> i have enough trouble judging when dealing with production work, like, when your supplier suddenly runs out of material or you have a machine catch fire
[04:13:06] * furrywolf has never worked in a shop, lacking sufficient skills
[04:13:09] <PetefromTn_> also my own shop is kinda like this despite my efforts to move into light production parts..
[04:13:23] <witnit_> turning or milling work>
[04:13:24] <witnit_> ?
[04:14:08] <PetefromTn_> ?
[04:14:26] <witnit_> you want to do light production, what kind?
[04:15:00] <PetefromTn_> well right now I am needing to retrofit my CNC lathe so currently I only have the VMC and Tig welding/fabrication
[04:15:27] <witnit_> lathe is so much nicer than mill for one man shops IMO
[04:15:50] <witnit_> you get a barloader and you are set
[04:16:16] <PetefromTn_> I have run manual lathes for decades but this will be my first CNC lathe. With any luck this new job will help me speed up the buying parts side of the retrofit process.
[04:16:25] <witnit_> nobody wants to spend their precious time chucking and unchucking parts and loading vises
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[04:16:50] <PetefromTn_> I know I see a lot of CNC lathe parts requests and wish I could take advantage of them but so far I am not ready..
[04:17:12] <witnit_> spindle bore>
[04:17:34] <PetefromTn_> well honestly if I can make a decent buck with it I don't mind running the VMC at all. In Face I kind of enjoy it.
[04:17:48] <PetefromTn_> I think it is like 1.625 or something like that..
[04:17:58] <witnit_> automatic feed?
[04:18:16] <witnit_> barfeed
[04:18:27] <PetefromTn_> no not yet it is just a bare carcass right now gutted of electronics. It will need a lot of work before it is ready....
[04:18:41] <witnit_> :) do you have pictures?
[04:18:52] <PetefromTn_> if I had the cash to order the parts I could probably have it running inside of a month or so easily.
[04:18:54] <witnit_> I like seeing things progress
[04:19:40] <PetefromTn_> not right now.. I kind of have it apart as I am repainting some of the sheetmetal. It is a 1997 model Standard Modern 14.5x40
[04:19:54] <PetefromTn_> 7.5HP spindle
[04:20:38] <PetefromTn_> kind of a smaller commercial machine and somewhere in between a full blown turning center and a manual engine lathe..
[04:21:37] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: damn awesome
[04:21:45] <PetefromTn_> what is..
[04:21:53] <XXCoder> your job offer
[04:22:07] <PetefromTn_> thanks man.. hoping for a good result.
[04:22:16] <PetefromTn_> tomorrow will tell a lot I think.
[04:22:38] <XXCoder> heh so far I still havent gotten job offer from that big shop
[04:23:01] <XXCoder> I think they are cold because of interpeter costs and they have weekly meetings :(
[04:23:04] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks
[04:23:15] <XXCoder> thats why 80% of deaf is unemployed
[04:23:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know you told us yesterday
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[04:24:10] <XXCoder> lol ok
[04:24:25] <XXCoder> well there might be another shop, it had hired deaf machinsts before
[04:24:29] <XXCoder> so bit better chance
[04:25:12] <PetefromTn_> honestly whil I am sure you are capable and skilled I would be apprehensive to put you in position of running a machine due to the lack of ability to hear problems or bad noises etc.. I know I am always listening for the bad boises LOL....
[04:25:23] <XXCoder> heh understandable
[04:25:37] <XXCoder> but then I has been running hurco vm20 for a while now
[04:25:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know..
[04:26:04] <witnit_> this was my last linuxcnc conversion, (this is not my video or machine but i have te same machine running EMC)
[04:26:07] <PetefromTn_> that is remarkable really.. I am glad you found a shop that was willing to work with you.
[04:26:07] <witnit_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdCd5tCb9E
[04:26:17] <XXCoder> Im getting to get feeling on bad cuts
[04:26:30] <XXCoder> I have grown to hate single flute 7/32
[04:26:34] <XXCoder> em
[04:27:06] <PetefromTn_> neato.. do you have any pictures of the lathe running?
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[04:27:30] <witnit_> nah maybe some of it disected
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[04:27:48] <XXCoder> cool lathe
[04:27:55] <witnit_> very quiet
[04:28:16] <witnit_> is fun, but it is air over hydraulic which is a total mess to have to manage
[04:28:40] <PetefromTn_> what is air over hydro?
[04:28:53] <witnit_> air rapid, hydraulic feeds
[04:29:05] <PetefromTn_> ?
[04:29:15] <witnit_> i shouldnt say air over ydraulic really that is soething else
[04:29:26] <witnit_> but its like, they rapid with an air piston on the slides
[04:29:44] <witnit_> then when triggered they switch over to a hydraulic which is valaves for a feedrate
[04:29:49] <witnit_> valved*
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[04:30:19] <PetefromTn_> you added hydraulic actuators to a benchtop atlas lathe from the 70's for CNC?
[04:30:30] <witnit_> no
[04:30:40] <witnit_> i just trigger all the events for the machine with emx
[04:30:42] <witnit_> emc
[04:30:52] <witnit_> the existing hydraulic feeds are manually set
[04:31:04] <PetefromTn_> it came that way?
[04:31:08] <witnit_> yeah
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[04:31:46] <PetefromTn_> ya sure you don't have a picture? I would be curious what that looks like...never heard of or seen anything like that?
[04:32:07] <witnit_> ill dig p something for you
[04:32:31] <PetefromTn_> cool...tomorrow tho. Gotta get to bed here got work tomorrow LOL...
[04:33:01] <witnit_> harding ahc
[04:33:09] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[04:33:12] <witnit_> would be suficient for you to find info on them
[04:33:15] <witnit_> hardinge ahc
[04:33:22] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said it was an atlas?
[04:33:28] <witnit_> nope
[04:33:31] <PetefromTn_> I know what a hardinge is..
[04:33:36] <PetefromTn_> had one for awhile here.
[04:33:36] <witnit_> someone else mentioned atlas
[04:34:01] <witnit_> this is not a speed lathe
[04:34:04] <PetefromTn_> no didn't you link the youtube video?
[04:34:16] <witnit_> that was a hardinge
[04:34:42] <PetefromTn_> no it was an atlas craftsman lathe..
[04:34:47] <witnit_> uhhh
[04:34:54] <witnit_> i will double check my link
[04:35:30] <witnit_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdCd5tCb9E
[04:35:31] <witnit_> ooops
[04:35:35] <witnit_> that link hahaha
[04:35:40] <witnit_> wronggg
[04:35:54] <PetefromTn_> same link
[04:36:44] <PetefromTn_> well Gn8 gotta get ta bed.
[04:36:55] <witnit_> later
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[04:45:45] <furrywolf> "Applications like "Choose us, because we'll wear beaver costumes in the paddock and our car is entirely coated in birch bark" give you much better odds."
[04:46:51] <XXCoder> whoa. nobody sells 3475 lights for my van. weird
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[04:54:19] <XXCoder> weird. manual says 3475 but online stores show need 3156
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[06:59:11] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: must be 3156
[06:59:15] <zeeshan|2> that is a standard bulb size
[06:59:18] <zeeshan|2> never heard of3475!
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[07:31:38] <Jymmm> Know where to get an 80CF (36" tall) Nitrogen tank cheap?
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[07:59:54] <Deejay> moin
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[09:03:35] <Tom_itx> 5�F
[09:04:19] * Jymmm hands Tom_itx a lump of coal
[09:04:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you up late
[09:10:26] <archivist> syyl, I saw your pictures, nice, mines is 6mm collet size too, I got a lathe and added cardboard box which make up to more than one
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lorch+watch
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[09:40:31] <The_Ball> Is there a good way to get more debugging info out of LinuxCNC? I've turned DEBUG= 7FFFFFF on but there still isn't much output about the joint following error
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[09:40:52] <The_Ball> mec/task/taskintf.cc 617: Error on axis 0, command number 113
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[12:28:07] <CaptHindsight> -9F (-23C) warmer than yesterday
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[12:55:55] <witnit> the_ball Im not sure how to get more debug, but have you seen this?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/N_mhihZyEJ8
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[12:59:21] <witnit_> my first guess woud be to increase ferror and see if it persists
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[13:27:17] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: yeah no idea why its listed as 3475 but reserach says yeah 2156
[13:27:27] <XXCoder> http://www.thetruckstop.us/forum/threads/how-to-35w-pin-mod-for-single-use-3157-bulbs.4446/
[13:27:43] <XXCoder> strange hack to use 3157 as "extra bright light"
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[13:39:45] <Tom_itx> 8�F warming trend.
[13:40:16] * Deejay requests also -20 C
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[13:49:03] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: lol
[13:52:25] <_methods> global warming in action
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[14:01:51] <JT-Shop> 6F here, glad to see the shop at 50F
[14:04:33] <_methods> we couldn't get 2 of our rotary screws to run this morning lol
[14:04:51] <_methods> they're on cold strike
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[14:05:37] * JT-Shop thinks he will burn several sticks of wood today
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[14:22:13] <_methods> it's so funny they started school 3 hours late today because it's cold
[14:22:14] <_methods> heheh
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[14:22:42] <_methods> cold delay
[14:23:09] <malcom2073> They used to do that when I was in school, cause our heaters sucked, and they refused to run them overnight
[14:23:39] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, the pressure front moved int Chicago near 6:30 am. broke out the pseudofed to relive the brain squeeze.
[14:32:18] <ssi> hey it's the tropics where I am
[14:32:19] <ssi> 10F
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[16:17:36] <zeeshan|2> brrrrr
[16:24:49] <tjtr33> if temperature in Fahrenheit was probability, then we'll reach normality near 3pm CDT ( -3 F and counting now )
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[16:50:33] <zeeshan|2> i have tacho wires going through a cable gland
[16:50:42] <zeeshan|2> but they need to be pined into a molex connector
[16:50:55] <zeeshan|2> which is already pinned to some other wires. so later on when i want to remove the tacho wires, it'll have to cut them if i leave it as is
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[16:51:10] <zeeshan|2> anyone got a suggest for a harness connector for 2x 18 awg wires
[16:51:13] <zeeshan|2> something not bulky
[16:51:49] <malcom2073> yes
[16:51:50] <malcom2073> I do
[16:51:51] <malcom2073> um
[16:52:00] <malcom2073> Drawing a total blank on their name, they're like $6 each
[16:52:07] <malcom2073> deutch!
[16:52:30] <malcom2073> let me find a link
[16:52:36] <moorbo> deutch?
[16:53:01] <malcom2073> Deutsch ATP
[16:53:13] <malcom2073> http://www.waytekwire.com/products/24/Deutsch-DTP-Compatible-ATP-Connectors/
[16:53:22] <malcom2073> Waterproof, as a bonus
[16:53:40] <malcom2073> Not*terribly* bluky, but not terribly thin either
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[17:00:10] <jdh> what's a harness connector?
[17:00:57] <zeeshan|2> what malcom posted
[17:01:07] <zeeshan|2> bottom right one
[17:04:08] <jdh> I have a bunch of Anderson PowerPole(tm) connectors
[17:05:31] <jdh> http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles/powerpole-sets/15-amp-red-black-anderson-powerpole-sets.html
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[17:23:01] <tjtr33> zeeshan|2, just use standard shrouded crimp on spades. use a male & a female on one side, and mates on other.
[17:23:02] <tjtr33> you wont inverts the tacho polarity. its cheap, a few cents
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[17:24:33] <tjtr33> like these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pack-of-25-Blue-Shrouded-Crimp-On-6-3mm-Female-Spade-Terminals-Connectors-/321215651507
[17:24:56] <jdh> you can stagger them also so they are thinner. I use the bullet shaped ones though.
[17:26:09] <zeeshan|2> okay good idea
[17:26:34] <zeeshan|2> tjtr33: what do you mean mates?
[17:28:13] <tjtr33> male to female, female to male mates as in the bible ;)
[17:28:20] <zeeshan|2> ah okay
[17:28:21] <zeeshan|2> hahah
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[17:59:06] <jdh> in some states (and .ca) you can mate teh other way.
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[18:05:36] <tjtr33> what would woody guthrie say about these single sex unions? " i dunno why we'd keep the girls out of the union! sounds kinda fascist ta me"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Woody_Guthrie_2.jpg
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[18:06:45] <cradek> woodie was on the front lines fighting for racial equality, and I have no doubts he'd be writing songs about the people fighting for their equality today too.
[18:06:54] <cradek> woody
[18:09:18] <tjtr33> "union maid" woody
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[18:25:31] <Tom_itx> why do i keep reading tacho as taco?
[18:25:45] <Tom_itx> quite confusing
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[18:31:02] <pcw_home> lunchtime?
[18:31:20] <Tom_itx> pretty close
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[18:32:39] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, does the driver detect what interface is plugged in on the 7I90? I didn't see any jumpers for that
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[18:50:15] <pcw_home> No 7I90 behavior is determined only by bitfile (except serial modes have some options set on the HDR26 connector pins)
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[19:09:23] <Tom_itx> i meant parport vs SPI or serial
[19:11:04] <pcw_home> No, the 7I90 configuration determines what interface it uses
[19:13:23] <zeeshan|2> any other safety checks to do
[19:13:33] <zeeshan|2> other than measuring resistance between live terminals and case ground
[19:13:57] <Tom_itx> you check that with the power off don't you?
[19:14:02] <zeeshan|2> yea
[19:14:09] <zeeshan|2> by live terminals i mean l1 and l2
[19:14:17] <zeeshan|2> not w/ power attached to em
[19:14:32] <zeeshan|2> i dont have a megger insulation rester
[19:14:39] <zeeshan|2> *tester, so i cant check insulation.. but it should be good!
[19:14:53] <zeeshan|2> any other quick and easy tests? =]
[19:15:05] <archivist> ground continuity
[19:15:21] <zeeshan|2> betweeen ground bar in cnc panel
[19:15:25] <zeeshan|2> and mains earth?
[19:16:18] <archivist> and case
[19:17:18] <archivist> then any safety issue will blow a fuse/ earth leakage breaker and you dont get hurt
[19:17:46] <Tom_itx> i'm tempted to put a GFIC outlet on mine
[19:17:53] <zeeshan|2> i cant with vfds
[19:17:56] <zeeshan|2> too much leakage current
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[19:18:11] <zeeshan|2> i think youd need to bump the breaker to trip at 30mA
[19:21:28] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if they have a gfci 100 amp breaker
[19:22:39] <zeeshan|2> nope :/ not for residential panel
[19:22:43] <zeeshan|2> at least by siemens
[19:22:47] <zeeshan|2> biggest i see is 60A
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[19:44:03] <jdh> http://amzn.com/B00OK091OW
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[19:45:21] <tjtr33> i like the craftsman style mortise & tendon
[19:45:37] <tjtr33> tenon
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[19:55:07] <malcom2073> Heh wow
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[20:24:39] <JT-Shop> this Hertel parting tool is nice
[20:27:20] <JT-Shop> I just need some of those high dollar inserts to show up
[20:27:57] <JT-Shop> https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/93651024?rItem=93651024
[20:28:07] <JT-Shop> I bet the insert don't fall out of this one
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[20:43:36] <_methods> i like the replaceable bottom blade on that
[20:43:55] <_methods> those things get killed easy and you end up having to throw the whole tool holder away
[20:44:42] <JT-Shop> yea, both top and bottom parts are only about $20 each
[20:44:45] <_methods> parting always seems go go wrong
[20:44:52] <_methods> parting and tapping
[20:45:18] <_methods> i just use those indexable parting blades anymore
[20:45:22] <JT-Shop> this one fits my tool holder without modification and cuts to the max size of the lathe collet 1.625"
[20:45:28] <JT-Shop> so it is good
[20:46:46] <_methods> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/60821188?CS_010=60821188&item=60821188&CS_003=7867724&src=pla&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test
[20:46:49] <_methods> like that guy
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[21:04:42] <JT-Shop> I break them too easy and then it's $110 in the trash
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[21:05:14] <_methods> i think we get them for like $40
[21:05:35] <_methods> hell i havne't looked an invoice in awhile though
[21:05:55] <_methods> i hope they aren't $120 like that iscar one
[21:06:06] <JT-Shop> I'm thinking the clamp type will hold the insert better for my abuse
[21:06:11] <_methods> yeah
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[21:06:36] <JT-Shop> I don't have a bar feed so I use the parting tool to index the material
[21:06:52] <_methods> ah that's your push stop
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[21:19:39] * Tom_itx wonders if JT-Shop knows what a parting tool is made for :D
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[21:20:32] <Tom_itx> i bet you've been doing it that way for years
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[21:21:47] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: how do you lock the chuck
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[21:24:28] <furrywolf_> what about a separate stop of some kind mounted on the backside of the table?
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[21:35:32] <furrywolf_> http://images.craigslist.org/00o0o_8aezR4tpIWc_600x450.jpg never seen one of those before... what the heck is that used for?
[21:38:07] <malcom2073> Hmm... goes inside some kind of pipe?
[21:38:17] <malcom2073> With a ratcheting mechanism so you can't go in reverse?
[21:38:56] <furrywolf_> it looks like a milling cutter to me, but it'd sure make an odd shape...
[21:39:17] <furrywolf_> http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/4833090735.html
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[21:45:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what sort of resistance did you get on your mains test?
[21:45:34] <zeeshan|2> i dont have the ground hooked up yet to the box from the main panel
[21:45:39] <zeeshan|2> still looking for thhn :/
[21:45:42] <zeeshan|2> its really expensive
[21:47:46] <Tom_itx> i'm getting 85 ohms across Hot & Neutral with the breakers off
[21:48:04] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what could be plugged into that circuit though
[21:48:08] <zeeshan|2> why are you measuring between hot and neutral?
[21:48:16] <Tom_itx> i wanted to see
[21:48:17] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:48:27] <furrywolf_> measure voltage now
[21:48:31] <zeeshan|2> did you check hot to case?
[21:48:32] <Tom_itx> 123v
[21:48:39] <furrywolf_> could just be picking up enough noise to confuse your ohms scale.
[21:48:47] <Tom_itx> i'm not at the control. i'm checking wiring to it first
[21:49:03] <furrywolf_> no, I mean measure voltage with the breaker off. :)
[21:49:22] <Tom_itx> i get around .5 to .9 across neutral to GND on all the other tests i did
[21:49:36] <Tom_itx> furrywolf_, it was 0
[21:49:44] <Tom_itx> i did :)
[21:49:48] <furrywolf_> lol
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[21:51:24] <Tom_itx> i get about 1 to 1.1 drop on the power cord on each leg
[21:51:48] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't think it would be that much
[21:54:21] <furrywolf> so any idea what that cutter is for? heh
[21:55:28] <Tom_itx> the insert is a roughing insert
[21:56:51] <Tom_itx> the tool is a small shell mill
[21:57:30] <furrywolf> so it's just roughing inserts, not some weird gear machining instead of hobbing cutter or something else that I was trying to figure out. heh.
[21:57:46] <Tom_itx> that was my best guess
[21:57:53] <furrywolf> I've never seen a cutter with fully round inserts like that... only square or triangular...
[21:58:07] <Tom_itx> they make round inserts
[21:59:09] <Tom_itx> the insert may be something else though
[21:59:22] <Tom_itx> http://shopmetaltech.com/products/round-insert-for-heavy-duty-roughing.html
[21:59:44] <furrywolf> I was trying to figure out if it was for making gear teeth, maybe for machining internal threads on a large-diameter part,...
[22:00:17] <Tom_itx> they look too rounded for gear cutting
[22:00:49] <furrywolf> see, the one you pasted LOOKS like a generic cutter, not some special profile...
[22:01:38] <Tom_itx> they may be for something special
[22:01:54] <Tom_itx> i don't see how they could index them to each other to cut gears or other profiles
[22:02:47] <furrywolf> the clamp looks like it's designed to index the wheels... the other ones I'm finding for round inserts just have the middle screw...
[22:03:08] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[22:03:12] <Tom_itx> i have my doubts
[22:04:27] <furrywolf> I can't find any like them searching. heh.
[22:04:53] <Tom_itx> like i said, it could be a special cutter
[22:06:11] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvUFABCJeY
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[22:09:00] <furrywolf> they almost don't even look like proper cutters...
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[22:09:19] <furrywolf> in that they're going to mush their way through material, not cleanly cut it... a distinct lack of angles.
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[22:14:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:18:14] <witnit_> the relief (angles) is ground into the holder
[22:18:31] <witnit_> those look like a custom insert to me
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[22:22:07] <witnit_> could be for making a groove on the inside of a large diamter hole, with, what is it called, helical drilling? i forget
[22:24:03] <roycroft> rifling?
[22:24:08] <witnit_> no
[22:24:39] <witnit_> just dropping a cutter in and then roating it around in bigger circles so you can bored a big hole with a small mill
[22:24:45] <witnit_> or recess a groove
[22:24:50] <_methods> looks like one of those 70's or 80's great "idea" roughing inserts
[22:25:10] <_methods> they used to make all kinds of silly geometry inserts
[22:26:38] <witnit> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f14/93553d1386798261-just-pics-spiral-milling-deckel-fp3-20131021_111352.jpg
[22:26:45] <witnit> that is just glorious
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[22:27:45] <witnit> bet you didnt know you wanted one of those!
[22:28:54] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[22:29:13] <furrywolf> that looks like one of those things you can be very proud of making on a manual mill, while it's really just a few lines of g-code this century. :P
[22:29:24] <furrywolf> linuxcnc should have no problem cutting that
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[22:32:33] <furrywolf> so what is it? heat exchanger? fusee? copper unicorn horn?
[22:32:59] <witnit> pete :) welcome
[22:33:26] <PetefromTn_> Thanks witnit.. Howsitgoin'?
[22:33:27] <_methods> spiral colonoscopy probe
[22:33:30] <witnit> narhwale tusk, for reddit, its like the golden bull, but narwhale
[22:33:52] <witnit> itschagwon gooood
[22:34:14] <PetefromTn_> thats nice..
[22:34:25] <PetefromTn_> worked my first day in the new shop today...
[22:34:38] <witnit> awesome, good atmosphere?
[22:35:52] <PetefromTn_> honestly it was very very nice. It is a small shop, two VMC's one CNC turning center, a pair of nice engine lathes and two vertical knee mills, a decent metrology room with CMM and some plates and a surface gringind area...
[22:36:38] <PetefromTn_> the owner is an 80 year old short Brazilian fellow who was very very nice so far.. I
[22:37:02] <_methods> oh damn you took a regular job
[22:37:21] <PetefromTn_> I spent the morning running their 16x60 manual lathe making some stainless steel turned tubing with thin walls that was kind of a bitch riging like a bell...LOL
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[22:37:43] * furrywolf read that as meteorology at first, and was wondering how the heck that fit in...
[22:37:46] <PetefromTn_> methods actually I was not looking for one really but it was offered to me the other day
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[22:38:13] <_methods> offer you couldn't refuse lol
[22:38:31] <PetefromTn_> a friend whom I worked with in the last shop recommended me when they asked him about someone else to work there..
[22:38:49] <PetefromTn_> They are paying me pretty decent and it is just part time I agreed to so far.
[22:39:01] <_methods> ah cool
[22:39:07] <_methods> just some supplemental cash
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[22:39:21] <PetefromTn_> This way I can still make my own parts here and take advantage of a somewhat more consistent payday with them LOL..hopefully anyways..
[22:41:13] <witnit> dang, i forgot to order din rail mounts with my card, those are the best thing ever
[22:41:39] <witnit> anyone running 7i92 or any eth series yet?
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[23:09:40] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: that is a cool sphere thing
[23:09:44] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if i can make it in solidworks
[23:09:47] <zeeshan|2> looks challenging
[23:10:24] <[cube]> zee: got this today
[23:10:25] <[cube]> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/metal-lathe-12in-x28in-with-digital-readout.html
[23:10:39] <[cube]> now...how do i get it in the house? ideas? :P
[23:11:04] <[cube]> it has to go up a small porch flight of stairs
[23:11:12] <[cube]> then down a flight to the basement
[23:11:20] <SpeedEvil> Well - it's only 220kg.
[23:11:33] <SpeedEvil> Surely you can just grab it in a bear-hug.
[23:11:51] <[cube]> lol
[23:12:04] <SpeedEvil> Is that 220kg bare.
[23:12:08] <SpeedEvil> or with the chuck/...
[23:12:16] <[cube]> probably with
[23:12:24] <[cube]> i'll take off whatever accessories i can
[23:12:24] <SpeedEvil> I guess pulling off the carriage, tailstock, chuck, could lower that a fair amount
[23:12:31] <[cube]> yeah
[23:13:27] <SpeedEvil> Anchor-bolts and come-a-longs?
[23:13:29] <[cube]> prolly going to bolt a ratchet hoist
[23:13:31] <[cube]> yep
[23:13:38] <[cube]> to the tops of the stairs
[23:13:52] <[cube]> and have a 1000lbs dolly
[23:14:47] <[cube]> moved an 800lbs mill down there 2 weeks ago
[23:14:55] <[cube]> but it was relatively easy because I could take it all apart
[23:15:05] <[cube]> this im certain will be a pita
[23:17:42] <SpeedEvil> I had a 1000lb dolly once.
[23:17:48] <SpeedEvil> Fortunately, she lost some weight.
[23:18:01] <PetefromTn_> ba dum bumb
[23:18:51] <PetefromTn_> a fridge dolly would be able to move that relatively easily I think with a corn fed boy pulling on it LOL...
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[23:19:41] <[cube]> haha
[23:19:52] <furrywolf> so the manual for my stepper drivers wants a 470uf cap installed at the driver's power input. how, exactly, do they want this done? the screw terminals aren't large enough to insert both the 16awg zip cord I'm using, the 470uf cap, and the .1uf cap they also want... I was thinking of just splicing the cap into the zip cord a few inches away from the driver, but that sounds like it'll result in a very unprofessional installation...
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[23:22:57] <jdh> what kind of stepper driver wants that?
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[23:23:06] <furrywolf> "The power supply terminals should have a capacitor of 470uf or greater connected across them" that's pretty hard when they're only big enough for #16 wire!
[23:23:14] <furrywolf> a centent cn0165
[23:24:14] <furrywolf> the cheap-and-lazy solution I'm tempted to do is just slit the zip cord, strip a section, wrap it around the cap's legs, solder...
[23:24:35] <witnit_> is it for you or customer>
[23:24:46] <furrywolf> me. so it has to be done perfectly. :P
[23:25:01] <witnit_> paint little smileys on it when you finish
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[23:27:42] <furrywolf> ?
[23:28:28] <PCW> heat shrink, lump in snake style
[23:28:45] <furrywolf> lol
[23:28:55] <furrywolf> the zip cord is enough smaller than the cap that it wouldn't shrink nicely. :)
[23:29:04] <tjtr33> thats 2 diff places "installed at the driver's power input" vs "The power supply terminals should have a capacitor of 470uf or greater connected across them".
[23:29:05] <tjtr33> I'd expect you could just insure the output caps of the power supply were suitably size ( big for bulk and small for hi freq )
[23:29:15] <furrywolf> I'm using some rubycon 1000uf 100v caps... I figure if they say "or greater", double is a good size.
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[23:29:48] <witnit_> cut three heatshrinks
[23:29:48] <furrywolf> tjtr: no, they explicitly state the cap needs to be as close to the driver's terminals as possible, and on the driver side of the fuses.
[23:30:06] <tjtr33> ok, but i just quoted you
[23:30:13] <witnit_> two small diameter cord sized and 1 large for the cap and close the ends of it with the two small shrinks
[23:30:42] <furrywolf> tjtr: they mean the power supply terminals OF THE DRIVER, not of the system power supply.
[23:31:56] <furrywolf> I could make it marginally neater with some 2-positional barrier strips, with two runs of zip cord in one side, and the cap on the other...
[23:32:33] <_methods> 50' of detcord and 2 bricks of c4
[23:32:52] <_methods> and a handful of data prime boosters
[23:33:04] <witnit_> inline capacitor enclosure
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[23:35:26] <furrywolf> I could just make a power supply board with a bank of caps on the output, but that'll result in ~18in between the drivers and the caps, and I don't know how close they really have to be...
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[23:36:32] <witnit_> or you couldbuy huge wire and not hav that ghastly lump
[23:36:43] <furrywolf> lol
[23:37:04] <zeeshan|2> nice [cube]!
[23:37:36] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[23:37:40] <zeeshan|2> this cube thing was a pain in the ass to make
[23:37:58] <Jymmm> pics or t never happened
[23:38:01] <furrywolf> I could always email mariss and bug him... he's probably to blame for this.
[23:38:36] <witnit_> arent your drivers in an enclosure already?
[23:38:50] <furrywolf> the drivers are little potted aluminum bricks
[23:39:05] <witnit_> in an enclosure?
[23:39:07] <furrywolf> http://www.centent.com/CN0165.html
[23:39:21] <furrywolf> no, right now they're loose on my workbench. I haven't found a suitable enclosure yet.
[23:40:08] <zeeshan|2> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8578/15614114133_9a6a639e27_b.jpg http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8595/16046586680_b181d39b47_b.jpg
[23:40:20] <zeeshan|2> i think i wanna make this on the lathe
[23:40:21] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:40:32] <furrywolf> for $750 a pop you think they could have stuffed the proper input capacitor into the module. :P
[23:40:37] <witnit_> you must be a bit of a perfectionist if you are concerned about putting them inline, in an enclosure :)
[23:40:44] <zeeshan|2> i can face all 6 sides
[23:40:49] <zeeshan|2> er
[23:41:02] <zeeshan|2> and then hold it with a 4 jaw i think
[23:41:08] <zeeshan|2> yea i can
[23:41:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, the sphere is easy to do, you just need to be precise
[23:41:28] <zeeshan|2> it was a pain to draw in cad
[23:41:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan: first make the classic turner's cube. the real one, where the inner cube is free.
[23:41:33] <zeeshan|2> hopefully its not a pain on the lathe
[23:41:40] <zeeshan|2> no!
[23:41:43] <zeeshan|2> i like this better
[23:42:01] <furrywolf> witnit: if something's worth doing, it's worth doing right. :P
[23:42:18] <furrywolf> someday I'll sell the machine, and I don't want people going "wow whoever did this was a hack!". :P
[23:43:27] <furrywolf> spheres are a pain on a non-cnc lathe without the proper sphere-making jig...
[23:44:01] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: try drawing this in solidworks
[23:44:04] <zeeshan|2> this is a good exercise
[23:44:04] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:44:26] <furrywolf> I really wish I had time to play with my raytracer... I never did get CSG added...
[23:44:31] <Tom_itx> meh, i'm busy on the control tonight
[23:44:37] <zeeshan|2> another time
[23:44:50] <Tom_itx> i did one of the cubes on the cnc once
[23:44:57] <witnit_> oh, i just dont like to spend that much time on cosmetics, functionality and ease of replacing items was always my interests
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[23:45:39] <furrywolf> I'll make a turner's cube once I get this machine running... probably out of a block of wood. wood is cheap. metal is WAY too expensive for non-productive projects.
[23:45:58] <Tom_itx> wood doesn't work as well
[23:46:04] <witnit_> grains
[23:46:06] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf
[23:46:07] <furrywolf> no facing, either. just cut a chunk off the end of a 6x6 and call it good. :P
[23:46:08] <zeeshan|2> your cap thing..
[23:46:08] <Tom_itx> the last few bits want to chip away
[23:46:12] <zeeshan|2> cnc4pc sells a cap module
[23:46:16] <zeeshan|2> for their power supplies
[23:46:30] <Tom_itx> i made a cap module for mine
[23:46:40] <zeeshan|2> http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?products_id=613
[23:46:44] <zeeshan|2> 3 caps for 62$
[23:46:46] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:46:56] <Tom_itx> mine was much less
[23:47:01] <zeeshan|2> i hope so!
[23:47:05] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt pay more than 10 bux for that
[23:47:24] <zeeshan|2> especially with those horrible connectors
[23:47:32] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps2.jpg
[23:47:36] <Tom_itx> laen made the boards
[23:47:42] <zeeshan|2> nice!
[23:47:49] <witnit_> oooh pretty
[23:47:52] <Tom_itx> the leds help drain when off too
[23:48:01] <furrywolf> "Has three pairs of diodes, for avoid shorts in the external sources." ...
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[23:48:35] <furrywolf> 1) engrish, 2) huh?
[23:49:20] * furrywolf is probably annoying the neighbors by listing to sisters of mercy (not quite at "11", but non-quietly) while playing with the mill
[23:50:58] <tjtr33> furrywolf, the diagram on page 4 figure 3 show the fuse and the zener between the 2 caps. we may disagree but i think these items do not have to be right at the drive.
[23:50:59] <tjtr33> the words 'The power supply terminals should have a capacitor of 470μf or greater connected across them.' have some ambiguity.
[23:51:15] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i opened up this amplifier board a long time ago for a home audio system that hadn't been powered in years
[23:51:19] <zeeshan|2> ast least 2 years..
[23:51:33] <zeeshan|2> i was scavenging heatsinks from it, and shorting out the caps with a screwdriver
[23:51:38] <zeeshan|2> 10 of them were charged!
[23:52:04] <zeeshan|2> is that normal?
[23:52:11] <zeeshan|2> they dont have a drain like you're doing with your led?
[23:52:34] <furrywolf> capacitors are shipped with shorting straps for a reason.
[23:54:15] <witnit_> check all capacitors those straps go bad
[23:54:48] <furrywolf> witnit: he doesn't have shorting straps. he has caps installed in a product, that he's surprised to find have picked up some charge just sitting there
[23:54:57] <witnit_> yeah i know
[23:55:29] <witnit_> but you cant trust a cap even when they are shorted
