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[00:01:52] <mrsun> will be fun to see if a thain baffle works on mdf dust tomorrow .. got a real problem with that frekkin dust since i started using my cnc router more =)
[00:02:15] <XXCoder1> nice
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[00:04:04] <Jymmm> mrsun: My solution... http://i53.tinypic.com/2881ef.jpg
[00:04:19] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i see a lot of space !
[00:04:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: to infinity and beyond?
[00:04:42] <zeeshan> haha
[00:04:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan: space in what?
[00:04:54] <zeeshan> is that a router?
[00:04:56] <mrsun> Jymmm: well .. you will need to extract the dust sooner or later ...
[00:05:00] <mrsun> my problem is full bags ...
[00:05:02] <zeeshan> Jymmm: generally floor space
[00:05:04] <zeeshan> to put th ings on :)
[00:05:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan: OLD photo
[00:05:22] <zeeshan> ah
[00:05:39] <Jymmm> mrsun: Dust collector ataches to the rear of the enclosure
[00:05:45] <XXCoder1> mrsun: http://woodgears.ca/dust_collector/cyclone.html
[00:05:58] <Jymmm> mrsun: or shopvac
[00:06:28] <Jymmm> mrsun: if you have mdf dust, just add a lil glue as a binder and make something =)
[00:06:40] <mrsun> XXCoder1: that is what im building ..
[00:06:41] <XXCoder1> make mdf from mdf dust
[00:06:46] <Jymmm> mrsun: Toss together some quick form molds.
[00:06:58] <mrsun> thein baffle
[00:07:09] <XXCoder1> expoxy mdf dust
[00:08:07] <_methods> the explosion chamber lol
[00:08:24] <Jymmm> mrsun: plastic trashcan, done... http://www.woodcraft.com/Articles/Articles.aspx?articleid=408
[00:09:27] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Yes, it's a router... http://i51.tinypic.com/28lrg9u.jpg
[00:09:34] <mrsun> ive almost built the whole baffle already .. all i need is an inlet pipe =)
[00:09:36] <zeeshan> oo nice.
[00:09:55] <XXCoder1> this is made by crackpot vbuyt alum swarf epoxy is cool
[00:09:56] <XXCoder1> http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/monsoongecko/Orgonite%20Photos/DSC03633.jpg
[00:09:57] <zeeshan> is that silk scren?
[00:10:19] <Jymmm> zeeshan: on?
[00:10:25] <zeeshan> the frame outside
[00:10:27] <zeeshan> to keep dust in
[00:10:40] <XXCoder1> more crackpot pictures http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/images/pics_rev/tb&hhg.jpg
[00:10:56] <XXCoder1> I do want paperweight of that :) not because it has "magic" effects or anything
[00:11:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan: The frames are covered in clear thick mil vinyl, then with SS screen (which are all earth grounded) to disipate ESD.
[00:11:45] <zeeshan> ah.
[00:11:52] <Jymmm> well, the other way areound.
[00:12:03] <zeeshan> the main reason i dont want wood working tools is dust
[00:12:05] <zeeshan> (in the basement)
[00:12:11] <zeeshan> but that looks like a good solution
[00:12:15] <Jymmm> less of a fire hazard with mdf dust
[00:12:30] <Jymmm> Each wall, panel is held together with two bolts.
[00:13:15] <Jymmm> then bolted to the tabletop. earthquake proof
[00:13:33] <Jymmm> which is really a modofied gorill arack rated as 1200 lbs
[00:14:17] <Jymmm> and the door are easily removable by pulling the 4 pins
[00:14:58] <Jymmm> fresh air is brougt in from the top, forcing everything downward
[00:15:59] <Jymmm> "Down and to the rear.... Down and to the rear" on the grassy knoll
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[00:19:33] <zeeshan> :D
[00:19:38] <Jymmm> I think I'm going to get one, anyone see any cavets ($15)??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_KjmF1iI9w
[00:19:56] <zeeshan> does anyone know the legality of using a 3 pole switch
[00:19:59] <zeeshan> in a single phase app
[00:20:09] <zeeshan> i can't see it being dangerous :P
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[00:20:47] <unfy> 3A ? off that heat sink ?
[00:21:00] <Jymmm> max 3a, nominal 2a
[00:22:01] <Jymmm> unfy: There is a 400W version with a MONSTER heatsink (bigger than the whole device)
[00:22:08] <alex____w> i was just playing with a very similar but simpler device, the heat sink wasn't even getting warm at 3 amps
[00:22:37] <zeeshan> http://www.cesco.com/b2c/product/Schneider-Electric-Square-D-DU323-Non-Fusible/33518
[00:22:39] <zeeshan> ok i answered my own q
[00:22:41] <Jymmm> But $15 for a CC device doens't seem too bad at all
[00:22:46] <zeeshan> this specific switch has both a single phase and three pahse rating :P
[00:22:48] <XXCoder1> just found log of this channelk
[00:23:04] <unfy> i have concerns over the heat sink, but otherwise it seems neat.
[00:23:40] <Jymmm> unfy: If you have suggestion for the heatsink, I'm open but I dont have any thermal condustive adhesives
[00:23:42] <alex____w> Jymmm: url to purchase location?
[00:24:14] <Jymmm> alex____w: lots of them, ebay, dx, ft, etc
[00:24:21] <Jymmm> amazon
[00:24:23] <unfy> jymm: get it - if the heat sink is a concern you can do something about it :D
[00:24:44] <Jymmm> http://www.dxsoul.com//product/b3603-dc-dc-constant-voltage-current-step-down-module-green-901247601
[00:24:45] <unfy> or, if you're electronics handy, build your own bench/lab power supply :D
[00:24:57] <Jymmm> unfy: not for $15 =)
[00:27:08] <Jymmm> unfy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-Digital-Led-400W-10A-constant-voltage-constant-current-DC-DC-Boost-module-/171550020025?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f12d91b9
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[00:28:06] <alex____w> i'm using this one, but can't get it to over 2 amps
[00:28:08] <alex____w> http://www.amazon.com/DROK-4-5-30V-0-8-30V-Converter-Constant/dp/B00C4QLK52/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1420244845&sr=8-13&keywords=dc%2Fdc+buck
[00:28:17] <alex____w> similar functionality without the nice ui
[00:30:06] <XXCoder1> I first entered here 3/15/14 apparently
[00:30:08] <unfy> it's one of those things where... at $15 - it's not terrible. You still need a decent input power supply (but an old computer supply can prolly handle that).
[00:30:20] <XXCoder1> then I asked what could linuxcnc do
[00:30:28] <XXCoder1> man feels so long time ago :P
[00:31:12] <alex____w> unfy: i'm using this to test battery capacity, so lead acid battery is a pretty decent power supply
[00:31:14] <XXCoder1> ich... too bad hes away long term now. he joked about gcode :P
[00:31:31] <alex____w> i just want a constant 3.75 amp draw no matter the input voltage to get 20C capacity
[00:32:06] <unfy> i really need to finish up home pcb making stuff and go about building my own power supplies :D
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[00:33:32] <zeeshan> WHY IS IT SO HARD
[00:33:38] <zeeshan> TO FIND a bloody 100 amp disconnect switch locally
[00:33:43] <zeeshan> i can only find them for 300 bux
[00:33:44] <zeeshan> wtf
[00:33:50] <jdh> sounds like you found one.
[00:33:55] <zeeshan> its a frigging blade with legs
[00:33:58] <XXCoder1> build your own?
[00:34:01] <zeeshan> haha XXCoder1
[00:34:56] <unfy> homedepot at $100
[00:34:58] <furrywolf> alex: you probably do not want a switching regulator for constant _input_ current. a more typical method would be an adjustable 5A linear regulator and a resistor.
[00:35:03] <unfy> dunno where you're located :D
[00:35:32] <zeeshan> http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-100-Amp-240-Volt-Fusible-Indoor-General-Duty-Safety-Switch-TG3223/202978655?N=5yc1vZbm0h
[00:35:35] <zeeshan> if youre talking about that one
[00:35:43] <unfy> to append to furry's statement, many linear regulators can be setup in a constant current mode rather than constant voltage
[00:35:51] <zeeshan> http://products.geindustrial.com/IndustrialProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SPECPAGE&CATALOG=ED&PRODUCT_NUMBER=TG3223
[00:35:57] <unfy> you'd then need a second device following it for constant voltage
[00:36:02] <furrywolf> what's the one in to3 that does 6A?
[00:36:11] <zeeshan> it says something about 15 hp max ?
[00:36:24] <zeeshan> 15*746 = 11190 W.
[00:36:32] <zeeshan> 11190 / 240 = 46.6A
[00:36:36] <zeeshan> how is that 100 A?
[00:36:40] <zeeshan> im confused.
[00:37:07] <furrywolf> vars. :P
[00:37:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan: The back of any building you'l find a 100A CHEAP =)
[00:37:16] <zeeshan> Jymmm: haha
[00:37:19] <zeeshan> ill pay 90 bux for it
[00:37:21] <zeeshan> not 300
[00:37:26] <furrywolf> it can supply 100A continuously into a resistive load. a motor is not a resistive load.
[00:37:27] <zeeshan> but these ratings are th rowing me off.
[00:37:29] <Jymmm> zeeshan: CL /
[00:37:31] <Jymmm> ?
[00:37:32] <syyl_> a motor load is different from a restistive load
[00:37:45] <zeeshan> okay well i have a vfd between my motors
[00:37:51] <zeeshan> what kind of load is that? :-)
[00:38:20] <furrywolf> for one, a motor has a poor power factor, so you're actually cycling power back and forth... the current through the wire (and switch terminals) is higher than the current you're actually consuming.
[00:38:29] <zeeshan> 3 vfds, 4 power supplies, 5 servo drives, couple of light duty fans
[00:38:40] <zeeshan> will this siwtch work
[00:38:41] <Jymmm> unfy: You use old laptop PS, typically 19VDC @ 2-3A
[00:38:50] <furrywolf> another factor is the ability for the switch to withstand the startup load. that motor is a dead short when you first turn the switch on. thousands of amps. pitting, contact welding, etc.
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[00:38:57] <unfy> jym: or that :D
[00:39:07] <unfy> depends on how much oomf you're wanting etc
[00:39:27] <furrywolf> VFDs are either rectifier input or PFC input... PFC is better, rectifier is more common. both are closer to resistive loads than a motor is.
[00:39:37] <Jymmm> unfy: Or this, which also shows the one cavet with the module... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YeFHQse-8o
[00:39:57] <zeeshan> what about SMPS?
[00:40:14] <furrywolf> your power supplies etc are probably irrelevant, if they're less than 10% the size of your motors...
[00:40:42] <furrywolf> since you're not switching motors directly, I'd say you can use it at its full 100A rating.
[00:41:04] <zeeshan> okay, thank you for making sense
[00:41:11] <zeeshan> basically trhat 15hp rating is equivalent to say
[00:41:13] <zeeshan> ac 21.
[00:41:54] <alex____w> zeeshan: what machine has 5 servo drives and 3 vfds?
[00:42:05] <furrywolf> alex: a fun one!
[00:42:13] * furrywolf has no idea what it is either
[00:42:18] <zeeshan> alex_jon1: my mill
[00:42:23] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15985743197/
[00:42:40] <zeeshan> ill be adding a tombstone 5 axis
[00:43:03] <Jymmm> pizza?
[00:43:05] <alex____w> what are the 3 vfds powering?
[00:43:09] <zeeshan> spindle motor
[00:43:12] <zeeshan> hydraulic pump
[00:43:13] <alex____w> i'm converting a hurco bmc30 vmc to linuxcnc now
[00:43:15] <zeeshan> coolant pump :P
[00:43:23] <alex____w> wow, big coolant pump
[00:43:31] <zeeshan> no its just 3 phase
[00:43:40] <zeeshan> i had the vfd laying around, so it was cheaper to use the pump as is
[00:43:44] <alex____w> ah, i see
[00:43:45] <zeeshan> than finding another coolant pump
[00:44:03] <alex____w> the hurco that i'm working on is in a space that is wired 3 phase, so i haven't paid attention to what the smaller motors are
[00:44:17] <zeeshan> likely they are 3 phase too
[00:44:21] <alex____w> yes, i'm pretty sure they are
[00:44:26] <zeeshan> honestly if i could go back.
[00:44:34] <zeeshan> i'd have replaced the hydraulic motor and coolant motor with a single phase
[00:44:43] <zeeshan> vfd isn't needed
[00:44:55] <zeeshan> but it does make modbus communication possible instead of relying on relays
[00:45:00] <furrywolf> but now you can reduce coolant flow so you can see small jobs... :P
[00:45:15] <zeeshan> yea that is an advantage
[00:45:19] <zeeshan> but you can do the same thing with a valve lol
[00:45:30] <alex____w> this one actually has 3 coolant pumps, flood, mist, and washdown pump
[00:45:30] <zeeshan> "on the fly coolant change!"
[00:46:02] <zeeshan> eek
[00:46:05] <zeeshan> they might be expensive to change.
[00:46:16] <zeeshan> maybe use one vfd to power all 3
[00:46:21] <zeeshan> with contactor is between
[00:46:23] * furrywolf only can afford small toys. :(
[00:46:27] <alex____w> i don't have to, it's in a workshop that has 3 phase
[00:46:30] <zeeshan> oh
[00:46:35] <alex____w> this isn't my toy, i'm just doing the conversion to linuxcnc
[00:46:39] <bobo_> can also reverse coolant pump breafly to stop dripping
[00:47:51] <alex____w> http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-MQJ2Hj3
[00:47:57] <alex____w> that's the machine, just after delivery
[00:48:11] <alex____w> including the old console
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[00:49:07] <zeeshan> alex very nice
[00:49:13] <alex____w> now everything but the tool changer is working under linuxcnc
[00:50:10] * zeeshan is going to be cheap
[00:50:15] <zeeshan> im running a subpanel
[00:50:19] <zeeshan> and just using a breaker as a switch
[00:50:29] <alex____w> my personal machine is just a taig
[00:50:30] <zeeshan> it's not like ill be switching it on/off 10 times a day
[00:50:39] <alex____w> can't get big machines into my basement
[00:50:44] <furrywolf> and with the vfds, it's not like you'll be switching it under load.
[00:50:49] <zeeshan> furrywolf: exactly
[00:52:02] <alex____w> i also have a small knee mill (grizzly g3102), but it's not a great candidate for cnc conversion
[00:52:33] <furrywolf> I have a cnced sherline, and am cncing a shoptask now.
[00:52:46] <alex____w> i don't know what a shoptask is
[00:53:05] <zeeshan> furrywolf: come get that huge lathe
[00:53:08] <zeeshan> 300$!
[00:53:38] <furrywolf> nowhere to put it
[00:53:42] <alex____w> ah, it's a 3 in 1 type machine
[00:54:04] <furrywolf> alex: http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg chinese mill/lathe combo
[00:54:29] <furrywolf> no, it's only a 2-in-1.... my older model doesn't have a drill press style Z feed, just handwheel.
[00:55:54] <alex____w> what drives and axis motors are you using?
[00:57:00] <furrywolf> some 940ozin pacsci stepper motors and centent cn0165 drives.
[00:57:10] <furrywolf> all well used... can't afford new things.
[00:57:27] <alex____w> everythign on this hurco is well used!
[00:57:35] <alex____w> we're using the original yaskawa ac servo drives
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[00:59:33] <alex____w> my taig uses pacsci steppers, but much smaller than 940ozin
[00:59:37] <alex____w> they are around 200
[01:00:14] <furrywolf> yeah, these are beefy... about 10lbs each, running at 8.6A/phase.
[01:00:23] <humble_sea_bass> that hurco controller
[01:00:32] <humble_sea_bass> holy shit monochrome goodness
[01:00:36] <Jymmm> Expensive, but a great idea... http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40051196/
[01:00:56] <bobo_> zeeshan: which side of the mill's base is the drain for lub. oil and overflow coolant on ?
[01:01:17] <alex____w> humble_sea_bass: the control software is dos based, 486/isa PC, with a special video controller to handle the second display
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[01:01:42] <humble_sea_bass> dog my peepers can see that amazingness all the way from here
[01:01:45] <alex____w> left display is used for text, right display is used to draw the trace
[01:01:55] <zeeshan> bobo_: you tell me!
[01:02:02] <zeeshan> the other day i tried to put the coolant pump in the drain
[01:02:06] <zeeshan> but it didnt fit in right.
[01:02:12] <zeeshan> i think there might have been an external tank!
[01:02:23] <alex____w> http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-Pfjv5Xc
[01:02:26] <alex____w> better photo from a few days ago
[01:02:38] <furrywolf> or at least some screening and filtering device
[01:02:41] <alex____w> and roughly a current view of the wiring cabinet, mid-hacking:
[01:02:44] <alex____w> http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-sbDwjfdhttp://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-sbDwjfd
[01:02:48] <alex____w> oops
[01:02:49] <alex____w> http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-sbDwjfd
[01:02:54] <Jymmm> alex____w: vga and mono chrome work natively under dos
[01:03:32] <alex____w> Jymmm: yes, they do, but i promise this is a special video controller
[01:03:48] <Jymmm> alex____w: I'm saying so you dont have to hav a special controller
[01:03:49] <furrywolf> that's a lot of wiring. :P
[01:03:49] <alex____w> i'm old, i wrote a lot of code under dos and built pcs back then too
[01:04:17] <furrywolf> my control box is going to be about 16" square and 5" thick...
[01:04:21] <zeeshan> LOL
[01:04:28] <alex____w> furrywolf: that's about the size of the control box for my taig
[01:04:34] <zeeshan> fun stuff
[01:04:37] <zeeshan> so much cat5!
[01:04:37] <alex____w> i know what far too many of these hurco wires do
[01:04:44] <Jymmm> alex____w: I'll sell ya a brand new 8 bit isa paraport/monochrome card for ONE BILLION DOLLARS manual included
[01:04:49] <zeeshan> is that vairspeed thing
[01:04:50] <zeeshan> a vfd?
[01:04:58] <alex____w> yes, that is the spindle vfd
[01:05:02] <zeeshan> that is huge
[01:05:04] <alex____w> then the 3 servo drives to the right of it
[01:05:06] <XXCoder1> "holy shit monochrome goodness" huh whats I miss while I was fixing van lol
[01:05:17] <zeeshan> so much for vfds emitting noise all over to the control
[01:05:32] <zeeshan> im keeping this picture for future reference when someone talks about vfd being in the same enclosure as controls
[01:05:49] <furrywolf> are you keeping the console, or building a modern one?
[01:05:53] <alex____w> anything sensitive to noise in this control is balanced
[01:06:00] <alex____w> we're building a modern one, this one is pretty dead
[01:06:07] <zeeshan> i see a mesa card :-)
[01:06:12] <XXCoder1> wow that's old hurco
[01:06:19] <furrywolf> if it's got a MPG, I call dibs. :P
[01:06:20] <alex____w> 1995
[01:06:20] <zeeshan> looks like youre using shielded cat5e?
[01:06:21] <humble_sea_bass> xx, one of those old dos monochrome displays which seem to provide a lot more information than the fancy new displays
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[01:06:31] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Heh, I thught it was a sewing machine at first glance.
[01:06:36] <XXCoder1> ahh humble
[01:06:38] <alex____w> zeeshan: mix, encoder cables are sheilded
[01:06:58] <zeeshan> alex____w: i was questioning about that a couple weks ago :P
[01:07:10] <alex____w> and that is a 20hp spindle drive
[01:07:14] <alex____w> that's why it is huge
[01:07:20] <zeeshan> ah
[01:07:22] <alex____w> servos are 8hp
[01:07:28] <zeeshan> thats nice :D
[01:07:47] <alex____w> 24000mm/min rapids
[01:08:04] <zeeshan> 944 ipm
[01:08:04] <zeeshan> haha
[01:08:05] <alex____w> it's actually an all metric machine
[01:08:15] <alex____w> leadscrews are 12mm pitch
[01:08:30] <alex____w> and yes, that is a mesa board, 7i77
[01:08:37] <alex____w> we're going to run out of i/o soon and will need to add a second one
[01:08:42] <furrywolf> alex: want to get rid of the control pendant on the very left of the console?
[01:08:48] <zeeshan> what is consuming all the i/o?
[01:08:50] <alex____w> tool changer uses 10bit graycode as the encoder, which eats a lot of i/o
[01:08:54] <zeeshan> ah
[01:09:04] <alex____w> furrywolf: i don't know yet, we may reuse it
[01:09:16] <Tom_itx> alex____w sserial...
[01:09:20] <alex____w> http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Home-Machine-Shop/Hurco-BMC30-drawings/i-qmDbCgk
[01:09:25] <furrywolf> what I really want to do is mount three mpg handwheels on a small box....
[01:09:31] <alex____w> schematic for the tool changer
[01:09:47] <alex____w> that basically eats 75% of the i/o on a 7i77
[01:10:04] <bobo_> zeeshan : maho has seperate coolant tank ,which sets on floor at left side of base . coolant in and out are on tank ,but also has scoop for catching lub oil draining from hole in base.base drain hole is about mid way front to back of base.
[01:10:07] <alex____w> furrywolf: i'll let you know if we end up with a new mpg
[01:11:32] <alex____w> have you guys used the cheap chinese ones? (hxc-hb04 or something)?
[01:11:41] <alex____w> are they mostly garbage, complete garbage, or usable?
[01:11:55] <furrywolf> I've never used a mpg, chinese or otherwise.
[01:12:01] <Tom_itx> i'm using one
[01:12:05] <Tom_itx> seems ok to me
[01:12:08] <alex____w> the hurco one actually works quite nicely, i just haven't looked at the schematics yet to see how easy it will be to interface to
[01:12:24] <alex____w> Tom_itx: is it sealed at all? or will coolant destroy it?
[01:12:41] <alex____w> not that i intentionally plan on bathing it
[01:12:41] <Tom_itx> oh i just got the MPG and made my own
[01:12:51] <alex____w> ah, okay
[01:13:01] <evilren> jymmm: california, los angeles
[01:13:12] <alex____w> furrywolf: i just use an xbox controller on my taig, but the mpg and pendant on the hurco is so much nicer
[01:13:14] <zeeshan> bobo_: makes sense.
[01:13:16] <evilren> the other two cities in california ive lived in are delivery only
[01:13:18] <zeeshan> looks like i need an external tank.
[01:13:26] <zeeshan> explains why it did not fit correctly.
[01:14:54] <furrywolf> filter well!
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[01:18:08] <bobo_> zeeshan: does your mill base have a drain hole ? approx. 3/4 D ?
[01:18:15] <zeeshan> yes
[01:18:18] <zeeshan> 2 of them
[01:20:48] <bobo_> 2 holes? may have been for locating coolant on either side - or two tanks
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[01:26:26] <bobo_> mayby one hole for coolant and other for lub oil drain . are the drain holes threaded?
[01:27:34] <zeeshan> yes they are
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[01:28:44] <bobo_> maho is not threaded yet
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[01:32:18] <zeeshan> bobo_: how is your conversion coming along
[01:32:19] <zeeshan> :P
[01:34:32] <bobo_> I am a wimpy old fart ---It is in a very cold garage. waiting for ice bergs to retreat
[01:34:43] <furrywolf> there's a free wide format printer on craigslist... just sent them an email. epson 7600. it'll be a big upgrade from my designjet 220.
[01:34:51] <zeeshan> haha
[01:35:03] <zeeshan> its been very cold lately.
[01:35:08] <zeeshan> thats why i havent stepped in to finish up the wiring
[01:35:17] <zeeshan> i need a break from it :)
[01:35:47] <alex____w> i've been doing all of this hurco stuff in an unheated workshop, it's annoying typing with gloves on
[01:35:53] <alex____w> but it's the time that i have to do it, so we're doing it nwo
[01:36:02] <zeeshan> i dont mean offence to electrical engineers
[01:36:05] <zeeshan> but i have a complaint.
[01:36:11] <furrywolf> 220ml ink carts! I bet those ain't cheap.
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[01:36:58] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16106238952/
[01:37:03] <zeeshan> these amc designers
[01:37:05] <zeeshan> wow just wow.
[01:37:23] <bobo_> the IEEE is wateing
[01:37:29] <zeeshan> im looking at how ill hook up the power wires for the servos
[01:37:41] <zeeshan> these ************ put the screw terminals sideways
[01:37:42] <zeeshan> LOL
[01:37:47] <zeeshan> so you cant get a screw driver in.
[01:38:01] <alex____w> are they plugable like the ones on mesa boards?
[01:38:07] <zeeshan> no!
[01:38:09] <zeeshan> soldered on!
[01:38:23] <furrywolf> remove drivers? :P
[01:38:24] <alex____w> mesa gets a lot of credit in my book for using pluggable ones
[01:38:33] <zeeshan> alex____w: its a good design!
[01:38:35] <alex____w> also, mesa finally has an online store!
[01:38:39] <alex____w> you don't need to call in to order boards
[01:38:43] <malcom2073> Something to be said for not having to lean over a box to turn a screwdriver deep inside
[01:39:00] <alex____w> thinking about getting a 5i25/7i76 for my taig
[01:39:03] <alex____w> though it's overkill
[01:39:07] <zeeshan> this mounting arrangement was showin the manual too
[01:39:08] <zeeshan> sighn.
[01:39:46] <alex____w> are those dc servos?
[01:39:51] <zeeshan> yes
[01:39:52] <alex____w> the drives seem so small :)
[01:39:56] <alex____w> but i've never worked with dc servos
[01:40:02] <zeeshan> itr can be used for both brusheless and brush
[01:40:10] <zeeshan> they have support for hall commutation too
[01:40:11] <bobo_> Marketing tells engineers what to do or whom they will get to do it their way
[01:40:31] <zeeshan> i think the fix for this is putting standoffs
[01:40:37] <zeeshan> to stagger the servo drive heights..
[01:41:27] <alex____w> or make a quick release for the servo
[01:41:29] <alex____w> drive
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[01:42:43] <furrywolf> ouch. even ebay chinese cartridges are $25/each.
[01:43:09] <zeeshan> quick release how?
[01:44:03] <furrywolf> pulling the drives to wire doesn't seem THAT bad. consider this is probably the first time it's been done since the machine was built, and might well not be rewired again for just as long.
[01:44:24] <alex____w> i can't see the base of the drive. if there is a flange you could make a mount that slides out of the way to release them
[01:44:49] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its quite annoying to do that
[01:44:49] <zeeshan> lol
[01:45:03] <alex____w> you are using very few i/os on your 7i77 :)
[01:45:03] <zeeshan> especially if i reverse the leads or something
[01:45:10] <zeeshan> haha yea
[01:45:18] <zeeshan> but its not all hooekd up. do you see the box connectors with colors?
[01:45:28] <zeeshan> the limit switch and other i/o still has to be hooked up
[01:45:39] <alex____w> where is the 5i25?
[01:45:39] <zeeshan> i didn't wir eit yet because it depends on the pinout on the actual connector connecting to it
[01:46:02] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15881152719/in/photostream/
[01:46:08] <zeeshan> hiding in the left corner
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[01:46:29] <alex____w> linuxcnc doesn't support the ethernet attached mesa boards yet, right?
[01:46:43] <zeeshan> not sure
[01:46:50] <zeeshan> is your comp mobo in the control cabinet too?
[01:47:18] <_methods> alex____w: i think it's working on some
[01:47:21] <_methods> check with PCW
[01:47:37] <bobo_> what computer Bd. are you using ? zeeshan
[01:47:53] <furrywolf> alex: I was told it was working but not released yet.
[01:48:01] <zeeshan> some random one i had
[01:48:01] <zeeshan> lol
[01:48:06] <zeeshan> athlon xp 3200+
[01:48:08] <alex____w> furrywolf: that's good news
[01:48:14] <zeeshan> asus k7v400 ?
[01:48:34] <alex____w> i have an acer nettop atom-based thing that could be good with my taig, but no pci slots
[01:49:22] <zeeshan> id just pick up an ancient computer lol
[01:50:57] <furrywolf> I'd like a 7i76e, but can't afford it.
[01:51:44] <bobo_> I thought Mesa had a Bd. that could work with pciE slot?
[01:51:58] <alex____w> zeeshan: i currently use an ancient computer
[01:52:09] <alex____w> but these are good low latency machines, and it's idle
[01:53:46] <_methods> http://amfeltec.com/products/flexible-minipci-express-to-pci-express-adapter/
[01:53:55] <_methods> that might be interesting to use on a laptop
[01:54:00] <Tom_itx> bobo_, 6i25
[01:54:23] <_methods> i've never tried one before though
[01:54:26] <Connor> alex_ 7i76E is a Ethernet version of the 7i76 + Ethernet interface
[01:54:29] <_methods> might have to get one to test out
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[01:56:11] <Connor> 7i92 is basically a 5i25 only Ethernet.
[01:58:01] <alex____w> looking them up now
[01:58:03] <bobo_> Tom__itx thank's
[01:58:20] <ripple> I bought a 5I20, worked flawlessly, 5I25 flawless, 7i33, flawless, 7I90hd flawless, I have a project and the 7i92 will be perfect for my needs. Is it as flawless as the rest?
[01:59:00] <furrywolf> bah. craigslist person says two people emailed before me.
[02:00:04] <Tom_itx> offer them more
[02:00:11] <furrywolf> it's $0...
[02:00:17] <malcom2073> So offer $10
[02:00:25] <furrywolf> that's not nice.
[02:00:44] <malcom2073> If they'd go for it, it means they'd do it to you too
[02:01:02] <malcom2073> First come first served isn't a commandmant
[02:01:02] <furrywolf> if he already told someone else it's theirs, it wouldn't be nice to try taking it from them.
[02:01:03] <malcom2073> :P
[02:01:07] <alex____w> hmm, 7i92 isn't in the store
[02:01:17] <ripple> its on the price list
[02:01:20] <ripple> but not the store
[02:01:28] <ripple> $90 I think
[02:01:36] <alex____w> yeah, found it there
[02:01:41] <Connor> alex_w check with PCW pcw_home
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[02:02:24] <alex____w> i think he was helping me with my limit switch questions
[02:02:45] <Connor> he's the one who designs and makes mesa cards.
[02:02:49] <alex____w> yup
[02:02:54] <alex____w> oh cool
[02:02:58] <Tom_itx> ethernet isn't quite ready i think
[02:03:00] <ripple> Anyone else have a ethernet system in place? do you like it?
[02:03:08] <Tom_itx> that's why it isn't on the store site
[02:03:11] <Connor> Tom_itx: I think it is with 2.7
[02:03:23] <Connor> you can check in the linuxcnc-devel channel
[02:03:26] <Tom_itx> well last i knew he was still testing it
[02:03:38] <ripple> I wouldnt be so sure tom, the 7i90 wasnt ready and it worked great =D
[02:03:53] <Tom_itx> hope so, i'm gettin one next week
[02:04:09] <ripple> haha yea i know what you mean, its why im here, Im planning on ordering tomorrow I assume it will be great
[02:04:33] <Tom_itx> it's replacing another board on mine
[02:04:44] <ripple> what board are you using now?
[02:04:57] <Tom_itx> was using the 7i43
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[02:05:05] <Tom_itx> the 7i90 is more io and cheaper
[02:05:17] <ripple> i <3 the 7I90
[02:05:27] <furrywolf> I wish I could find a used 7i76e...
[02:05:34] <ripple> worked perfect when i did it with the 7i33
[02:05:41] <alex____w> i'd just be using the 7i92/7i76 to replace the parallel communication with my g540
[02:05:49] <Tom_itx> gonna use a 7i47 on mine
[02:05:54] <alex____w> bit banging the parallel port is so crude
[02:06:00] <Tom_itx> i've got one here i fixed but i'll keep it as a spare
[02:06:01] <alex____w> but it's been working fine for years
[02:06:10] <ripple> EXACTLY
[02:06:32] <Tom_itx> alex____w, just harder to find machines with parport
[02:07:02] <alex____w> well, it's also crude and gives you really limited inputs
[02:07:57] <furrywolf> I'm setting my machine up with a parallel port breakout board, but in order to use it, I'll have to wire every switch together... home, limits, e-stop,...
[02:08:08] <alex____w> yeah, that sucks
[02:08:23] <alex____w> i have two probes and had to pair up two homing switches to let it still work
[02:08:35] <furrywolf> plus my drives are noticably smoother at 10 microsteps, but I have to keep them at 5 microsteps to hit a good speed.
[02:08:39] <ripple> what kind of wiring system are you using?
[02:08:40] <alex____w> so x/z share an input, and then at least x/y can home at the same time
[02:08:48] <furrywolf> wiring... system?
[02:09:01] <ripple> yeah do connector styles
[02:09:09] <alex____w> the taig also has very fine leadscrews, so with a 10x microstepping on the g540 i end up with 80,000 steps per inch, which limits my feed rates
[02:09:09] <ripple> or just wire direct?
[02:09:17] <furrywolf> of the five inputs, I need three for the spindle encoder...
[02:09:41] <furrywolf> both my breakout board and the drives have screw terminals, so I'm just running wire between them. shielded 16/4.
[02:09:47] <alex____w> ripple: on my taig/g540 i'm just using 2-conductor 1/8" "mono" connectors for inputs
[02:09:50] <furrywolf> (yes, 16/ is overkill, but it's what I have handy!)
[02:10:02] <ripple> ahh, yes :) quick connect everything i can
[02:10:07] <alex____w> the steppers are shielded 4pair wires
[02:10:21] <ripple> I pre wired extra encoders and just plug them in and out with cat5 connectors
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[02:10:22] <furrywolf> for connecting to the machine, anderson powerpoles for the motors, molex for the switches. (cheap and I have them)
[02:10:26] <alex____w> with db9 on one end and the pacsci connectors on the other
[02:10:40] <ripple> same with the switch they are all on small cat5 plugs
[02:10:44] <furrywolf> the powerpoles aren't waterproof, but they're 30A... I don't want to use cannon connectors at 10A!
[02:10:46] <alex____w> on the hurco we're using all of the existing honda connectors
[02:11:00] <alex____w> it's designed to be all plug and play, we can move a few connectors and go back to ultimax
[02:11:05] <alex____w> that's been very helpful for debugging
[02:11:06] <ripple> I hate replacing an item and retracing the entire cable
[02:11:55] <alex____w> most of our honda<->mesa wiring is cat5, which probably isn't ideal, but it's pretty good and was what we had handy
[02:12:07] <alex____w> needed twisted pair for all of the balanced circuits
[02:12:09] <ripple> thats why i chose it
[02:12:37] <ripple> universal and plenty of it
[02:12:53] <alex____w> a friend gave us some nice encoder wire that is 3 twisted pairs plus two layers of shield
[02:13:01] <ripple> oooh
[02:13:05] <alex____w> so we're using that for our encoders
[02:13:33] <zeeshan> by balanced
[02:13:36] <zeeshan> you mean differential pairs?
[02:13:38] <alex____w> yes
[02:13:48] <alex____w> sorry, i have an audio background, where it is called balanced
[02:13:52] <zeeshan> yea from my understanding of it, its not a big deal
[02:13:53] <furrywolf> have any 4 conductor shielded flexible cable I could use for my steppers? chainflex/etc... something that can flop around as the machine moves and not fail.
[02:13:54] <zeeshan> at low frequency
[02:14:08] <ripple> i have some connectors that you often see on servo's the push and turn military types, not sure what to use them on but i have tons
[02:14:31] <zeeshan> gimmee
[02:14:36] <ripple> hahah
[02:14:41] <ripple> they were taken from an airplane
[02:14:43] <zeeshan> ampehol?
[02:14:46] <zeeshan> mil spec
[02:14:48] <ripple> yep
[02:14:51] <zeeshan> those are expensive
[02:14:54] <ripple> yeah
[02:14:58] <zeeshan> ive been looking for a 100 pin one for the car
[02:15:03] <ripple> but they are not aphenol
[02:15:07] <evilren> their milspecconnects aregood but i wont ever give them mmoney again
[02:15:08] <ripple> they are similar
[02:15:08] <alex____w> yeah, i find those at used marine parts stores
[02:15:16] <evilren> they knocked off a neutrik connector and fucked it up
[02:15:27] <ripple> 100 pin... lemme think
[02:15:28] <alex____w> they are mostly switchcraft connex
[02:16:17] <alex____w> almost all marine electronics use them and have 2-10 conductor wires with these nice waterproof/coolant proof connectors
[02:16:25] <ripple> nope no 100 pins
[02:16:27] <alex____w> usually for a couple of dollars for dozens of feet of cable
[02:16:31] <ripple> maybe a couple 45's
[02:16:33] <furrywolf> for some reason, power wheelchairs often use neutrik connectors... they work for 5A chargers. they do not work very long with 10A chargers. heh.
[02:16:38] <ripple> 40-60 ish
[02:16:44] <ripple> hahaha
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[02:17:39] <ripple> I need to thank a couple people in here, i have 6 axis robot i bought for $100
[02:17:44] <furrywolf> you got something affordable from a marine store? around here, it's "add another zero" when you shop at the fishing boat supply place, and "add two more zeros" at the yacht place...
[02:17:59] <alex____w> used marine parts stores
[02:18:00] <ripple> and it works now, due to their quick documentation supplying skills
[02:18:24] <alex____w> no one feels like figuring out which wire with waterproof connectors goes with which marine part
[02:18:31] <furrywolf> no used anything stores here, unless you want old clothes and dirty dishes.
[02:18:35] <alex____w> so cables with unknown connectors are cheap
[02:18:55] <alex____w> sadly the closest one just closed (lost it's lease...condos going in)
[02:19:04] <alex____w> but there are 3 or 4 others that i visit when out sailing
[02:19:49] <furrywolf> no surplus stores, no used goods other than thrift stores... and not even good thrift stores... the kind with nothing but useless housewares no one else wants, and clothes.
[02:20:00] <alex____w> where do you live?
[02:20:00] <furrywolf> some of the stores have a policy they won't even take anything with a power cord!
[02:20:12] <furrywolf> far northern california coast, usa.
[02:20:15] <alex____w> i'm in seattle, there is a lot of marine stuff around here
[02:20:32] <furrywolf> I'm in humboldt. there's a lot of hydroponics stores around here.
[02:20:39] <_methods> hahah
[02:20:43] <_methods> i used to live in ferndale
[02:20:51] <alex____w> we have a lot of those too
[02:21:01] <furrywolf> methods: it's only gotten worse. :P
[02:21:04] <alex____w> can't really tell if there are more or less since legalization happened
[02:21:14] <_methods> i remember when i was a kid them bringin in dumptruck loads of weed to the fairgrounds
[02:21:17] <_methods> and burning it all
[02:21:19] <furrywolf> methods: you still in the area?
[02:21:26] <_methods> nah i'm in south carolina now
[02:21:36] <furrywolf> heh, got sick of the potheads?
[02:21:46] <_methods> nah i need sunshine
[02:22:08] <furrywolf> I like sun as long as it's not over 65F out at the same time.
[02:22:19] <furrywolf> I dislike rain, but everywhere I've thought of with less rain has exessive heat.
[02:22:47] <_methods> definitely lots of weed there
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[02:23:37] <furrywolf> I'm more of a cold weather person... right now my living room is 54F.
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[02:23:57] <furrywolf> got down to 39F in here last night, according to my little weather station. :P
[02:24:18] <alex____w> i was out sailing in about 39F today and was happy to come home to my house at 62F
[02:24:23] <furrywolf> bbl, time to head back to work
[02:24:29] <alex____w> though there was a nice breeze today
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[02:27:54] <bobo_> methods why S.carolina vers elswhere ?
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[02:28:52] <_methods> i love it here
[02:28:56] <_methods> the spanish moss
[02:28:59] <_methods> the weather
[02:29:01] <_methods> the women
[02:29:09] <_methods> hard to beat it
[02:30:21] <_methods> i'm from the pacific northwest but damn that rain
[02:31:57] <ripple> I paid $100 for this on craigslist. They said it would never work.
[02:32:19] <ripple> what.duckdns.org/2.mp4
[02:32:46] <bobo_> is it getting filled up with old fart's who want to change everything to what they left ?
[02:32:47] <ripple> sorry volume warning
[02:33:52] <ripple> there is a 1.mp4 also
[02:33:58] <malcom2073> ripple: Nice!!
[02:34:55] <ripple> I already built a linux FLOPPY EMULATOR for it via 25pin->serial I/O
[02:36:04] <malcom2073> That's a hell of a find
[02:36:33] <ripple> they were cool guys, it was a big shop and they just wanted to get it out of the way
[02:37:09] <_methods> score
[02:37:23] <ripple> all i did was fix a few bad wires, remove a few mice and learn 6 axis motoman early 90's era robots
[02:37:26] <XXCoder1> its probablt more than 100 in scrap meta
[02:37:29] <XXCoder1> very nice find.
[02:37:40] <ripple> but it took about 4 days to get it to run a program
[02:37:52] <XXCoder1> now, next make cnc out of it heh
[02:37:56] <ripple> i had no idea what i was doing with that silly pendant in my hand, all the buttons worn off
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[02:38:06] <ripple> yeah but the software is really so good
[02:38:08] <ripple> hahaha no lies
[02:38:28] <ripple> its all built around those kinematics
[02:38:41] <ripple> and it knows all its limits already
[02:38:51] <ripple> unless something breaks i want to just let it work for me
[02:39:02] <_methods> chappie
[02:39:08] <ripple> however i did have plans on building a retro fit kit with mesa cards for loner arms
[02:39:13] <_methods> put a flamethrower on that damn thing
[02:39:26] <ripple> there are so many ready to go arms and so few good control boxes it seems
[02:39:28] <_methods> or a paintball gun at least
[02:39:33] <ripple> yes paintballl gun
[02:39:41] <ripple> and tracking system
[02:39:45] <_methods> mk19
[02:39:51] <ripple> lets not talk of this
[02:39:53] <ripple> hahahah
[02:40:42] <ripple> i dont want to be on a list
[02:41:05] <_methods> you have a robot arm......you're on a list
[02:41:14] <ripple> true
[02:41:36] <XXCoder1> the damn cool list
[02:41:41] <_methods> hahah
[02:41:42] <_methods> right
[02:42:14] <XXCoder1> and I cant even find 8020s that don't make me drive hours lol
[02:42:36] <ripple> oh coder
[02:42:43] <ripple> they are 45 mins from my house
[02:44:15] <XXCoder1> nice
[02:44:27] <XXCoder1> bit of question for anyone whos good on cars
[02:44:42] <XXCoder1> websites say I need to find fcc id for my van remote
[02:44:52] <XXCoder1> but I cant find it anywhere and I dont have orginial remote
[02:45:21] <ripple> make model?
[02:45:31] <XXCoder1> nissan quest 1996
[02:45:34] <malcom2073> XXCoder1: it'd be on the origonal remote. The reciever box in your dash MAY have one on it? But because it's not a transmitter it may not.
[02:46:04] <XXCoder1> hmm lemme look how reciver box looks like
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[02:50:32] <XXCoder1> malcom2073: wow no pictures no nothing on where it is
[02:50:48] <XXCoder1> or even how it looks like. I guess it never breaks lol
[02:51:44] <malcom2073> huh heh
[02:54:41] <s1dev> ripple: you could probably find an old electronically fired paintball gun for <$40 off ebay (spyder imagine comes to mind)
[02:54:53] <s1dev> >:D
[02:55:02] <XXCoder1> malcom2073: I found repair manual
[02:55:10] <XXCoder1> it still dont state fcc id lol
[02:55:16] <malcom2073> That may list it
[02:55:17] <malcom2073> ahh damn
[02:55:29] <XXCoder1> so far anyway its not text so I cant use find
[02:55:44] <ripple> =D sldev i want to soo bad, but alll these other projects
[02:55:47] <s1dev> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingman-Spyder-Imagine-Paintball-Gun-E-Trigger-system-semi-full-auto-burst-/251771551199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9ec0fddf
[02:55:50] <s1dev> fancy one too
[02:56:01] <s1dev> that's a pretty pricey barrel for such a cheap gun >:D
[02:56:24] <ripple> we need to all come together and build some machines to sell to the public so we can fly around to eachother and build fun projects
[02:56:40] * s1dev really wants to see a robotic paintball gun controlled by CV
[02:56:41] <ripple> and still have spending money left over =D
[02:56:54] <malcom2073> ripple: just have your new arm throw you to other peoples houses
[02:57:00] <XXCoder1> malcom2073: according to this site http://www.remotesremotes.com/1996-Nissan-Quest-Keyless-Remote-Key-Fob-Clicker-s/5165.htm it's GQ43VT8T
[02:57:22] <malcom2073> XXCoder1: Nice, but is that right? heh
[02:57:24] <ripple> XXCoder1 saves the day again 2 points for xx
[02:57:37] <XXCoder1> mal thats the issue
[02:58:02] <ripple> tyrone down the street prolly can hook you up ;)
[02:58:17] <ripple> universal clicker
[02:58:39] <ripple> unlocks all the cars in a 3 block radius
[02:58:52] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:59:00] <XXCoder1> that'd be perfect theft tool
[02:59:35] <ripple> well, it's settled you will have to build your own secure system now
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[03:01:31] <ripple> you should just write an app for your phone and bluetooth it
[03:01:46] <ripple> with car starter
[03:01:58] <ripple> and james bond theme music
[03:02:08] <alex____w> i was just cleaning up the office and threw out the keyless entry for my car
[03:02:12] <alex____w> i like having to use a key
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[03:02:32] <alex____w> and i never had the remotes for it, but they are only about $15
[03:02:34] <ripple> like starting a fire by rubbing two sticks together
[03:02:38] <ripple> kind of nostalgic
[03:02:48] <alex____w> and waterproof
[03:03:10] <malcom2073> I like having a remote, the remote start makes it even nicer heh
[03:06:14] <XXCoder1> a cart small enough so you can shop while you shop :P http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-Selling-New-Mini-Shopping-Handcart-Small-Supermarket-Practical-Pushcart-Trolley-Phone-Holder-Kids-Toys-Free/1226120_1813869211.html
[03:06:34] <malcom2073> I heard you liked to shop, so I put a shop in your shop so you can shop while you shop
[03:06:43] <ripple> nice
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[03:07:12] <The_Ball> malcom2073, until you drop?
[03:07:28] <XXCoder1> yep then you drop while you drop
[03:08:26] <ripple> are multiple drop... dribbles?
[03:08:34] <The_Ball> haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhChYJzw4FM
[03:08:53] <ripple> sorry im bad at basketball and english
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[03:09:54] <XXCoder1> heh ball
[03:10:04] <XXCoder1> I bet scanners can make small cnc
[03:11:33] <ripple> I thought about using a scanner for parts checking
[03:11:39] <ripple> anyone doing such a project?
[03:11:49] <ripple> like an optical comparitor
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[03:13:01] <zeeshan> speaking of optical comps
[03:13:07] <zeeshan> i saw one for dirt cheap
[03:13:11] <ripple> where
[03:13:15] <zeeshan> kijiji
[03:13:19] <zeeshan> 800 bux!
[03:13:19] <zeeshan> lol
[03:13:22] <ripple> whic prov?
[03:13:22] <zeeshan> those things are like 10k new
[03:13:25] <zeeshan> ontario
[03:13:38] <ripple> where you from? I just got back from oshawa
[03:13:49] <zeeshan> hamilton
[03:13:51] <zeeshan> how about you
[03:13:55] <ripple> Indiana
[03:13:59] <ripple> but my g/f is canuck
[03:14:08] <ripple> =D
[03:14:11] <zeeshan> thats a long distance for a gf :D
[03:14:38] <ripple> yeah...
[03:14:42] <ripple> ;(
[03:16:29] <ripple> luckily we can both get away for reasonably long periods of time and see eachother
[03:28:40] <zeeshan> alex____w: still there?
[03:28:53] <zeeshan> what type of cable runs between the spindle drive and spindle motor
[03:28:57] <zeeshan> is it some special shielded cable?
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[04:10:43] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m7YjAuDMY0
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[05:33:15] <ripple> PCW im ready to get the 7i92, everthing is working as expected? :) (7i90hd treated me wonderfully btw thanks!)
[05:49:25] <The_Ball_Shed> I've upgraded from 8.04 to 12.04 but latency jitter has shot through the roof :(
[05:49:42] <The_Ball_Shed> from ~10us to ~100us
[05:50:08] <The_Ball_Shed> causing joint following errors even on a mesa card
[05:52:37] <zeeshan> sounds like a driver issue?
[05:55:57] <The_Ball_Shed> yeah, I'm trying the vesa driver instead of nouevu, looking much better
[06:11:54] <The_Ball_Shed> the vesa drive looks good as far as latency, but still getting joint following errors on rapid jogs, odd
[06:12:51] <zeeshan> is there a live cd for 12.04?
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[06:13:18] <The_Ball_Shed> Not sure, I did a side-by-side install, so I can boot back into 8.04 to test
[06:13:50] <The_Ball_Shed> Also I was using the nv driver on 8.04 which was renamed to nouevau or what ever it is
[06:21:07] <Connor> I prefer 10.04
[06:21:37] <The_Ball_Shed> This is the "correct" kernel right? 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[06:25:40] <The_Ball_Shed> Connor, why do you prefer 10.04?
[06:26:01] <Connor> No unity interface
[06:26:23] <Connor> newer than 8.04
[06:26:23] <XXCoder1> unity sucjs
[06:26:39] <XXCoder1> see it sucks so hard that it caused me to typo :P
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[06:27:15] <ripple> latency-plot alongside htop might give you some clues, i dunno tho
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[06:30:21] <ripple> latency-histogram might help as well
[06:31:24] <ripple> okay whoever wrote this latency-histogram is genius, they put glxgears button right on the front of it.
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[07:10:02] <The_Ball> Connor, I want to run linuxcnc-features, but it requires python2.6 which 8.04 doesn't have, does 10.04 have python2.6?
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[08:52:35] <Deejay> moin
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[09:03:29] <Connor> The_Ball: I'm pretty sure 10.04 does..
[09:03:37] <Connor> but, I don't recall off the top of my head.
[09:10:32] <Connor> The_Ball: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/python
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[11:11:56] <G0704> hi
[11:12:46] <G0704> how i can fix defective ballscrew?
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[11:19:40] <G0704_> hii
[11:19:51] <G0704_> morning..
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[11:21:25] <The_Ball> Connor, nice, might give 10.04 a go, I'm not getting any luck with 12.04
[11:21:42] <The_Ball> Connor, unfortunately 10.04 only has a few months left of lts
[11:24:38] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[11:24:50] <G0704_> hi The_Ball
[11:25:34] <G0704_> I'ts me with the defective ballscrew from automationtechnologiesinc
[11:25:47] <Loetmichel> hmm, did i forget something or can i drive to the wood dealer? (wife wants to have a rack for her acumulated (tablet) computers above the nightstand) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15490&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[11:25:57] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN3911_zps12d70a65.jpg.html?sort=6&o=0
[11:26:23] <G0704_> this is the ballscrew and the missing parts.
[11:27:07] <G0704_> automationtechnologiesinc, don't really help.. so i dont know what to do.
[11:27:15] <The_Ball> G0704_, hi
[11:27:20] <G0704_> hi
[11:28:45] <The_Ball> what's defective about the m12 nuts?
[11:29:47] <G0704_> thay not fit on the thrad - the inside thrad is massup
[11:30:22] <G0704_> go with the arrows on the top, I've upload abour 30 photos.
[11:31:12] <G0704_> about*
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[11:38:09] <G0704_> any ideas?
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[11:41:29] <archivist> sales law would normally say goods not fit for purpose must be refunded or replaced
[11:42:03] <archivist> remind them that there current level of service is being logged on the internet
[11:43:16] <G0704_> I've talk with them about via phone and emails
[11:43:49] <G0704_> but they give me answer like "you are the first one"
[11:43:55] <G0704_> "we dont know"
[11:44:07] <G0704_> "we are only the sellers"
[11:45:21] <archivist> the sellers are responsible
[11:45:28] <G0704_> I'm sooo upset. It's supussed to be plug and play,, but it is very expensive junk.
[11:48:06] <archivist> the odd missing ball should not be a problem though
[11:49:07] <G0704_> yes.. i can orther balls, but the benting in the X and Y
[11:49:52] <G0704_> and the almpst every tern.. dents on the Z axis. - this is the major problem..
[11:50:25] <G0704_> almost*
[11:50:28] <archivist> remember balls are selected for fit
[11:51:16] <G0704_> what do you mean??
[11:51:17] <archivist> roughness is not acceptable, is it dirt?
[11:51:51] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0102_zps884d7604.jpg.html?sort=6&o=5
[11:52:02] <archivist> they make the balls crew and nut separately then fit balls to make the fit correct
[11:52:06] <G0704_> is it look like dirt?
[11:52:18] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0096_zpsf9ef04c1.jpg.html?sort=6&o=7
[11:52:26] <archivist> photofukket is broken for me
[11:53:05] <G0704_> try now
[11:53:07] <G0704_> http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j137/G0704/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0102_zps884d7604.jpg?t=1420199504
[11:53:56] <G0704_> archivist: http://i.imgur.com/BGe8bU1.jpg
[11:54:45] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-12.png
[11:55:17] <archivist> imgur is ok, that dent is a fault
[11:55:37] <G0704_> imagen 20 like that
[11:56:36] <G0704_> imagine*
[11:56:55] <archivist> I dont want to :)
[11:57:15] <archivist> send a lawyers letter
[11:57:51] <G0704_> http://i.imgur.com/nFYToUf.jpg
[11:58:33] <G0704_> this is the bending in the Y axis ^
[11:59:18] <archivist> bending is a sign of poor heat treatment
[12:00:00] <G0704_> http://i.imgur.com/P9rEXWl.jpg
[12:00:05] <G0704_> this is the bending in the X axis ^
[12:00:13] <G0704_> so.. what to do??
[12:00:51] <G0704_> 900$ go to the garbage
[12:02:36] <archivist> get 900 bakc from the supplier
[12:03:34] <G0704_> how?
[12:03:54] <archivist> I dont know the laws in your country
[12:04:08] <G0704_> NY
[12:04:46] <G0704_> I'm from NY manhattan
[12:04:55] <archivist> you expect me to fly over from the UK to learn your local laws?
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[12:05:52] <G0704_> no.. but UK is an aowsom place!
[12:06:08] <G0704_> awesome*
[12:06:22] <G0704_> here is 7 AM
[12:06:52] <archivist> I believe some of our consumer laws were copied from US law
[12:07:42] <G0704_> all the night try to understand what to do.. soo angery and upset
[12:08:12] <archivist> public shaming is working rather well too. it makes internet sellers fix problems
[12:09:16] <G0704_> he sounds like the all indian / chinease costomer service..
[12:10:11] <archivist> well they soon learn like this hotel did http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/tripadvisor-couple-bad-hotel-review-charged-blackpool-broadway
[12:11:40] <G0704_> WOW
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[12:13:18] <G0704_> I've post the story in cnc zone
[12:13:35] <G0704_> but so far i can't find it..
[12:14:23] <archivist> some sites wont carry a story that rubbishes their advertiser, bad site
[12:14:24] <G0704_> moderator need to approve it..
[12:15:02] <archivist> they may be asking the advetiser is this so? and you get a fix anyway
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[12:16:08] <G0704_> automationtechnologiesinc advertised in cnc zone??
[12:16:50] <archivist> I dont know I hardly go there
[12:17:27] <G0704_> you know about other site?
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[12:19:28] <G0704_> or other place to get servo motors and conversion kit?
[12:32:51] <archivist> I still dont have servo stuff here
[12:35:14] <G0704_> what do you mean?
[12:36:01] <archivist> I am still using steppers
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[12:39:29] <G0704_> I am still use my hands!!!
[12:39:33] <G0704_> archivist: ^^
[12:39:43] <G0704_> no CNC :(
[12:40:48] <archivist> this is real hand turning http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[12:42:55] <G0704_> ART!
[12:42:58] <syyl_ws> :)
[12:43:06] <syyl_ws> I cant wait to get my lorch watchmakers lathe
[12:43:10] <G0704_> what metal is that?
[12:43:10] <syyl_ws> its still in the mail
[12:43:28] <syyl_ws> heavy metal!
[12:43:32] <syyl_ws> looks like brass
[12:43:33] <archivist> steel
[12:43:41] <syyl_ws> damn :D
[12:43:55] <G0704_> 304? 316?
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[12:46:24] <archivist> no idea was a bit in the scrap box http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lorch
[12:47:31] <archivist> syyl_ws, wait till you find the reverse lead screws
[12:48:18] <G0704_> artist!
[12:49:05] <archivist> it is easier than it looks
[12:50:30] <G0704_> i want CNC machine!!!!
[12:50:39] <G0704_> soo unfair!
[12:50:45] <archivist> when I went to a clockmakers about a job, he asked ahve you ever done hand turning, nope, he pointed me at a lathe and a graver, have a go
[12:51:26] <syyl_ws> :)
[12:51:29] <archivist> it is easier to do that sort of curved part by hand, no faffing about programming and cam
[12:52:03] <syyl_ws> :)
[12:52:04] <syyl_ws> http://www.lathes.co.uk/lorchwatchmaker/img13.jpg
[12:52:20] <syyl_ws> i am getting one of that styile
[12:52:35] <syyl_ws> with collets and some accessories
[12:52:43] <G0704_> I'm work with solidworks several years, so for me to make somthing on the computer it's very easy.
[12:53:07] <syyl_ws> a friend asked me if I want his for free
[12:53:10] <archivist> I should take pics of mine, but the handle is broken at the moment on the cross slide
[12:53:31] <archivist> that is the right price
[12:53:38] <syyl_ws> :D
[12:53:46] <archivist> same price as mine :)
[12:53:54] <G0704_> you have any backlash on this lathe?
[12:54:04] <syyl_ws> and the prices on ebay are just idiotic
[12:54:15] <syyl_ws> 5000 bucks for one with some tooling
[12:54:52] <archivist> saw a cross/top slide go for nearly £300
[12:55:08] <syyl_ws> you can get a minilathe for that money :D
[12:55:24] <archivist> and it will be stronger
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[12:55:46] <archivist> but less versatile for hand turning
[12:56:03] <syyl_ws> and it doesnt have that nice look to it
[12:56:46] <archivist> that nut under the spindle is a bugger to get at, I think a special spanner was needed
[12:57:34] <syyl_ws> the nut that holds the headstock?
[12:58:04] <archivist> it is to rotate the headstock for taper work
[12:59:13] <syyl_ws> ah ok
[12:59:57] <archivist> an open ender cannot turn it properly, need to remove the spindle to use a ring
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[13:04:32] <archivist> look what the internet finds http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Lorch/headstockandspanner.jpg
[13:05:15] <archivist> I must make one of those
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[13:23:27] <The_Ball> So G92 stays in effect between LinuxCNC restarts it seems. Do you guys usually program a G92.2 or G92.1 as part of the startup or preamble?
[13:25:30] <Jymmm> If that's metric/imperial, then I surely would.
[13:26:39] <jthornton> hmm looks like I need to add G92 to my preamble http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html
[13:28:38] <The_Ball> Jymmm, no it's Coordinate System Offset, your thinking of G20/G21
[13:28:46] <Jymmm> ah
[13:29:20] <Jymmm> Heh, could you imagine wiring one of these to ESTOP and mount right above the START switch =) http://www.dx.com/p/led-infrared-detection-controller-human-body-induction-switch-black-12-24v-366052
[13:29:34] <The_Ball> jthornton, nice guide, yeah I guess a G92.2 doesn't loose the information stored in the registers
[13:30:19] <The_Ball> Jymmm, well with a 8 meter range you could mount it anywhere
[13:30:41] <Jymmm> The_Ball: No, I meant to mess with people on purpose =)
[13:31:30] <Jymmm> The_Ball: Hit START, motion triggers ESTOP, lather rinse, repeat
[13:32:06] <The_Ball> Jymmm, I have some of those cheap IR sensors, basically if you are in the same room they trigger, so you won't be hitting start
[13:32:37] <The_Ball> They're good for presence detection for lights etc
[13:32:38] <G0704_> finally thay publish it!
[13:32:38] <Jymmm> The_Ball: There's a way to trick them =)
[13:32:40] <G0704_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html
[13:32:49] <The_Ball> Jymmm, you mean mask them?
[13:33:16] <Jymmm> The_Ball: so you go undetected
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[14:00:22] <G0704_> hi
[14:15:22] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you gettin all the weather we were supposed to get?
[14:17:09] <jthornton> got some last night
[14:17:49] <Tom_itx> we were supposed to get 2-5" and got 0
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[15:10:49] <jthornton> looks like we got 2.75" of rain last night... I'd better check my drains
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[15:43:08] <tjtr33> couple inches of freezing slop here (Chicago)
[15:43:38] <tjtr33> temp right near freezing, so i just finished scarping the drive & walks
[15:44:39] <tjtr33> scraping... looking fwds to spring already
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[15:53:05] <The_Ball> huh, cutting out a piece to flipover so that it fits upside down in the cut out grooves is pretty clever, haven't seen that before
[15:53:39] <The_Ball> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BLD4dFoXC7o#t=418
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[16:02:25] <jthornton> drain working well, got a couple of levee breaks to fix
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[16:06:07] <tjtr33> The_Ball, interesting he made extruded model before committing to routing the wood.
[16:06:26] <tjtr33> and the machine is nice
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[16:42:30] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: looks like a fun week, -3F for a high Wed
[16:45:11] <tjtr33> glad i put up the roof de-icers this year. 1st snow = slop , then a week of freeze = guaranteed ice dams
[16:45:54] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: what do they have for a thermostat and how is it set?
[16:51:31] <tjtr33> builtin thermostat, crude tho. mfctr recommends external. I just manually turn em on & off
[16:52:23] <tjtr33> originally used remotes ctrld ac outlets. but i bought cheap scr units and ended up removinf, going back to a simple switch.
[16:53:01] <tjtr33> roofline has nice melted zigzag pattern now :)
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[16:56:48] <pcw_home> 35F here today and tender Californians think the end is nigh
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[17:00:17] <tjtr33> i'm watching Andreas Schiffler's videos on his T60 laptop w Linuxcnc running ethercat.
[17:00:18] <tjtr33> the cabinet wiring so nice w just daisy chained cat5.
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[17:12:22] <pcw_home> I wonder which laptops can have power management de-fanged enough to work (maybe on line power its less of an issue)
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[18:05:39] <Jymmm> Vanity or what? http://www.dx.com/p/gs50-720p-2-7-tft-2mp-cmos-wide-angle-dual-camera-car-dvr-w-8-led-ir-night-vision-black-254896
[18:06:35] <Loetmichel> "that worked better than expected"... now i'm waiting for the glue to set and then will grind down my little "change of plans" because of that forgotten side wall... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15496
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[18:09:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you have too many laptops not in use and made an apartment for them?
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[18:10:06] <XXCoder1> wo what an ricious item
[18:10:12] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: my wife keeps shoving her laptop and the tablets from the nightstand. so i am making her a "rack" for that that will sit on the wall ABOVE the nightstand
[18:10:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ah
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[18:10:52] <Loetmichel> just that i forgot to order a side wall today at tha wood dealer
[18:10:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and they only rotate 120 deg
[18:11:03] <XXCoder1> fancy. lol
[18:11:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: gotcha
[18:11:30] <Loetmichel> so i had to improvise. PLan was to do it this way: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15490&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:12:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: how many tablets does she need?
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[18:13:32] <XXCoder1> 10
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[18:15:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: one company ipad, one private Ipad, one Andoid 10", one amazon reader. and the IBM x60s and the company blackberry and the private Galaxy s5
[18:16:41] <Loetmichel> ... and she has ordered some room for her tv/bdplyer/sky reciver remote ;-)
[18:17:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you're just a gadget freak
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[18:18:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: hope you left room for all the charging adapters/PS
[18:18:58] <furrywolf> ... the only things on my nightstand that need power are my alarm clock and vibrator. the laptops live in the living room, along with the phone, etc.
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[18:19:26] <Jymmm> furrywolf: nightstand palm sander?
[18:19:46] <XXCoder1> lol new one to me
[18:20:18] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i have bought a 6 port power strip that fits on the back wall ;-)
[18:20:51] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: its not for me.
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[18:21:10] <Loetmichel> for me it would have to be mirrored because i sleep on the left side of the bed ;.)
[18:22:02] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: as my wife tends to work a lot from bed... its convenient to have the tools there ;-)
[18:22:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: cam girl?
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[18:22:49] <furrywolf> lol
[18:22:56] <Loetmichel> SAP manager
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[18:23:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: cam girl pays better
[18:23:23] <furrywolf> the tool on my nightstand is probably more fun. :P
[18:23:27] <Loetmichel> not sure about that ;-)
[18:23:41] <Loetmichel> @ Jymmm
[18:24:00] <Loetmichel> when i see her paycheck i get the pure envy ;-)
[18:24:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Here with have oracle arena and sap arena
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[18:26:31] <Jymmm> I'm just not sure how to create an enclosure for this with the LED raised above the buttons as it is http://www.dxsoul.com//product/b3603-dc-dc-constant-voltage-current-step-down-module-green-901247601
[18:27:40] <XXCoder1> could you desolder and move stuff to better position for case?
[18:27:44] <XXCoder1> use wires
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[18:28:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Unsure, I see pads on the side, maybe for header for external controls?
[18:28:56] <XXCoder1> I think its pins under it to interface with bottom board
[18:29:00] <XXCoder1> both sides?
[18:29:09] <XXCoder1> oh I see it
[18:29:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_KjmF1iI9w
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[18:30:30] <Loetmichel> i would simply make some holes in the case
[18:30:41] <Loetmichel> no need for the leds to stick out
[18:30:46] <XXCoder1> or wire it to some socket
[18:30:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250 <- like this
[18:30:58] <XXCoder1> attach socket in some place you can connect some wire with it
[18:31:13] <XXCoder1> good idea is molex?
[18:32:19] <Jymmm> Like I said not sure. You need access to the buttons easily, but they are below the LED
[18:33:32] <Jymmm> when I say below, I mean in height
[18:35:03] <Jymmm> Hmmm, that would need to be a 5 pin header, shoot.
[18:35:57] <XXCoder1> yeah desolder it and place it better somehow so case would work
[18:36:38] <XXCoder1> or nifty plastic light transfer thingy for each leds.
[18:37:00] <Jymmm> That still recesses the buttons
[18:37:11] <Jymmm> I was going to use smoked acrylic
[18:37:34] <XXCoder1> either use "button pusher" buttons or move buttons
[18:37:56] <XXCoder1> dunno what proper name is but its a button that presses button below it when pressed
[18:38:08] <Jymmm> I know what you're saying
[18:39:36] <Loetmichel> plunger?
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[18:43:17] <XXCoder1> http://www.jackssmallengines.com/Parts-Lookup/532125925/637612/ps?gclid=CLzT6J-9-MICFQpsfgoda7EAyQ
[18:43:20] <XXCoder1> interesting
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[18:55:37] <Jymmm> Here we go... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Atari-2600-Joystick.jpg
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[19:32:21] <furrywolf> I really need a better internet connection.
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[19:35:29] <JT-Shop> You can have mine I'm lucky to get 56k when it is overcast
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[19:39:30] <furrywolf> same here
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[21:13:58] <zeeshan|2> anyone come across this in an air compressor manual...;
[21:14:02] <zeeshan|2> 'drain tank monthly' ?
[21:14:05] <zeeshan|2> i thought it was daily!
[21:14:26] <[cube]> no it's bi-decadely
[21:14:37] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:14:44] <furrywolf> I thought you only did that when you wanted to move the compressor and it was too heavy to move?
[21:14:50] <XXCoder1> heh saw one that was 1/4 full of water
[21:14:55] <roycroft> if you take a compressor to the moon a day is 28 earth days long
[21:14:56] <XXCoder1> guy never drained
[21:14:58] <SpeedEvil> I have actually pondered replacing my compressor tank with coke bottles
[21:15:11] <roycroft> that's not the biggest problem though
[21:15:17] <roycroft> finding some air to compress is the greater challenge
[21:15:26] <SpeedEvil> They can easily handle the pressure, and failure is several orders of magnitude less dangerous
[21:15:32] <SpeedEvil> Also - rather lighter
[21:15:58] * furrywolf has seen water rockets explode, so doesn't think they can easily handle the pressure.
[21:16:04] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I dont have a compresor, I use a 40Cf Nitrogen tank
[21:16:14] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:16:25] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: they can take ~180PSI
[21:16:30] <MrHindsight> I just use heavy air
[21:16:59] <furrywolf> speedevil: at what temperature? air fresh from the compressor is burning hot. and how much UV exposure? and what percentage of bottles?
[21:18:03] <furrywolf> for example, air from the compressor is hot enough to almost instantly burst reinforced pvc air hoses...
[21:19:06] <Jymmm> hook up an old AC condensor to it
[21:19:28] <furrywolf> also, soda bottles in stores randomly pop during shipping...
[21:20:05] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I was assuming an intercooler
[21:20:07] <XXCoder1> when I worked at vend company bottles tend to be fine
[21:20:27] <XXCoder1> once a long while we will see couple failures
[21:20:40] <Jymmm> Yeah, 2L soda bottles are rated to exceed 120 PSI
[21:21:02] <Jymmm> caps are cheaply made though.
[21:21:13] <zeeshan|2> whats the pressure inside a 2L bottle typically?
[21:21:17] <XXCoder1> smaller ones is tougher a bit. Those failures is almost always due tp physical damage
[21:22:57] <furrywolf> or just, you know, use an air tank.
[21:23:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: 120PSI.... CO2
[21:23:35] <zeeshan|2> i dont believe you :P
[21:23:45] <zeeshan|2> i can squish a 2l bottle by hand when its brand new
[21:23:54] <zeeshan|2> it feels like its at like 20 psi at most
[21:23:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: good for you
[21:24:13] <furrywolf> zeeshan: depends on temperature. leave one in a hot car for a while and try again. drop it a few times too.
[21:24:14] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: shake it first and lets see you squish it
[21:24:28] <Jymmm> biotch!
[21:24:33] <XXCoder1> zeeshan|2: its rated thay high because they ship to MANY locatons. including high altitide
[21:24:50] <XXCoder1> you easily squash em because you're olviously near sea level
[21:25:03] <zeeshan|2> or im the HULK!
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[21:25:29] <Jymmm> the cut threads are a safety ting, to allow the release of pressure before the threads completely disengange
[21:25:32] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: or shake it hard. it's definitely firm it up. (hm almost sounds xrated)
[21:25:42] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: yea i used to design those!
[21:26:01] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: did not!
[21:26:04] <zeeshan|2> i didz
[21:26:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: did not!
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[21:26:18] <zeeshan|2> proof coming!
[21:26:21] <G0704> hi
[21:26:32] <XXCoder1> loop first 2 statements 1,000 times :P
[21:26:33] <XXCoder1> hey
[21:27:03] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: biotch biotch...
[21:27:15] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mA6aJoX.jpg
[21:27:27] <XXCoder1> heh I did "did not" "i didz"
[21:27:27] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/A65CYYt.png
[21:27:34] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/xmF7iPt.png
[21:27:36] <zeeshan|2> thread ERRORS
[21:28:08] <G0704> I'f i want to use G302X I need breakout board?
[21:28:16] <MrHindsight> wow SW 2006
[21:28:21] <zeeshan|2> haha yea it was a while ago
[21:28:31] <G0704> zeeshan|2: what is this jet?
[21:28:43] <zeeshan|2> nah preforms for blow molding
[21:28:48] <MrHindsight> you forget how it changes over the years
[21:29:04] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: yea its gotten SO much better!!
[21:29:15] <zeeshan|2> some people hate command manager..
[21:29:16] <zeeshan|2> i love it.
[21:29:30] <zeeshan|2> and the mating.. so nice
[21:30:05] <MrHindsight> I jump between NX, SW, Catia and Creo, sometimes I get features confused
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[21:30:15] <zeeshan|2> never used catia or creo
[21:30:25] <zeeshan|2> are you advanced with nx?
[21:30:39] <MrHindsight> Creo used to be ProEngineer (ProE)
[21:30:59] <MrHindsight> NX does the most
[21:31:09] <MrHindsight> the designers like Creo
[21:31:12] <_methods> nx and catia are nutz
[21:31:18] <_methods> so many features
[21:31:21] <zeeshan|2> im moderate use of nx
[21:31:23] <zeeshan|2> still need to learn a lot
[21:31:27] <G0704> someone can help me with the breakout board?
[21:31:29] <zeeshan|2> solidworks ive used forever
[21:31:41] <zeeshan|2> inventor i like a lot too
[21:31:42] <MrHindsight> G0704: whats the problem?
[21:31:43] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: have not!
[21:31:46] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: haha
[21:31:54] <Jymmm> =)
[21:31:59] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i might bother you with nx q's
[21:32:00] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:32:02] <G0704> MrHindsight: if i want to use G302X I need breakout board?
[21:32:09] <MrHindsight> I never got the hang of AutoCad
[21:32:24] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: my training started with autocad
[21:32:30] <zeeshan|2> once you use parametric modeling
[21:32:31] <MrHindsight> never used it enough
[21:32:33] <zeeshan|2> it's hard to go back to autocad..
[21:33:01] <furrywolf> I need to learn a cad program...
[21:33:01] <zeeshan|2> i found out why civil people sitll use it
[21:33:07] <MrHindsight> G0704: is that a stepper driver? post links
[21:33:09] <furrywolf> I've used a couple, but never skillfully.
[21:33:10] <zeeshan|2> they can make huge drawings without the whole software lagging
[21:33:34] <G0704> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/dc-servo-motor-driver/geckodrive-servo-motor-driver-g320x
[21:33:39] <G0704> servo driver
[21:33:45] <G0704> MrHindsight: ^
[21:33:50] <zeeshan|2> G0704: yes you need a breakout for that
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[21:34:07] <zeeshan|2> im sure its optically isolated
[21:34:11] <zeeshan|2> but your other stuff will need it
[21:34:53] <furrywolf> yes, you need a breakout board. you could make something work without one, but it'll probably be unreliable, as well as more work to build.
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[21:35:30] <roycroft> i do a lot of civil work and i find autocad excels for that
[21:35:37] <roycroft> but i use solidworks anytime i'm doing 3d modeling
[21:35:40] <G0704> so what to buy?
[21:35:41] <Deejay> gn8
[21:35:42] <G0704> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards
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[21:36:08] <roycroft> i don't think one can replace the other at all
[21:36:15] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: i agree
[21:36:25] <MrHindsight> G0704: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/kl-db25-breakout-board probably safer for you to use one
[21:36:31] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt give up autocad electrical for any other cad software
[21:36:34] <MrHindsight> since you're asking
[21:36:36] <zeeshan|2> 3d modelling softwarte i mean.
[21:37:46] <G0704> MrHindsight: what about this one? http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/c10-bidirectional-breakout
[21:38:14] <furrywolf> bbl, off to pick up car parts.
[21:38:31] <MrHindsight> G0704: sure but be aware! the docs are all horrible
[21:38:54] <MrHindsight> you'll have to double check all the jumpers with a meter to be safe
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[21:40:17] <MrHindsight> Note to Chinese breakout board manufacturers: Have a native English speaker and EE check you docs. You won't lose face and you'll just gain customers.
[21:40:27] <MrHindsight> you/your
[21:43:15] <Jymmm> ...and make sure it's not MrHindsight ;)
[21:44:07] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:44:29] <XXCoder1> I call it corrector curse, person criticizing grammar WILL make errors.
[21:44:48] <MrHindsight> the docs for the c10 aren't bad
[21:46:11] <MrHindsight> I probably make more typos on IRC than anyone
[21:46:55] <zeeshan|2> im the worst :)
[21:46:55] <XXCoder1> I speolrl better with checker. I make many minor grammar errors because english arent my primary language
[21:47:08] <zeeshan|2> cause i type fast without proofreading cause this is IRC!
[21:47:14] <MrHindsight> same here
[21:47:14] <zeeshan|2> not a technical document :)
[21:50:57] <G0704> CNCZONE are censoring people, not letting them say anything bad about automationtechnologiesinc
[21:51:05] <zeeshan|2> haha why
[21:51:14] <zeeshan|2> automtiontechnolgies is pretty good
[21:51:16] <zeeshan|2> all my stuff worked
[21:51:21] <G0704> Before: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Riu1EZT15AUJ:www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[21:51:36] <G0704> After: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html
[21:51:57] <XXCoder1> firefox says webcache googleusercontent isnt trusted
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[21:53:12] <G0704> CNCzone.com can not be trusted, since they are parciat towarts automtion technolgies
[21:53:41] <zeeshan|2> G0704: almost most chinese balkl screws
[21:53:47] <zeeshan|2> are missing balls. its not hhard to add more.
[21:54:02] <G0704> but i get 1mm runout!!
[21:54:12] <G0704> it is totaly bend!
[21:54:18] <G0704> bent*
[21:55:04] <zeeshan|2> return those ball screws
[21:55:16] <G0704> I think that it should be out in the open that automtion technolgies inc products are of a poor quality.
[21:55:25] <zeeshan|2> they are exactly that
[21:55:26] <zeeshan|2> resellers
[21:55:30] <zeeshan|2> actually i have to say..
[21:55:35] <G0704> the ballscrews are
[21:55:36] <zeeshan|2> my SMPS power supply blew up after the 2nd power cycle
[21:55:43] <zeeshan|2> but CNC4pc makes the power supplies
[21:55:54] <G0704> This is not an excuse
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[21:55:58] <zeeshan|2> they made me return it to cnc4pc, and cnc4pc gave me a toriod instead
[21:56:03] <zeeshan|2> without any hassle.
[21:56:09] <G0704> a reseller selling junk, is still selling junk
[21:56:19] <zeeshan|2> its chinese quality..
[21:56:21] <t12_> junk rules
[21:56:28] <zeeshan|2> you need to order ball screws directly from chai
[21:56:31] <zeeshan|2> linearmotionbearings2008
[21:56:49] <MarkusBec> have anyone any idea to convert an int to boolean ?
[21:56:51] <zeeshan|2> try to get your money back
[21:57:08] <G0704> he know how to make the machining for the G0704?
[21:57:15] <zeeshan|2> yea
[21:57:23] <zeeshan|2> i think Connor ordered his ball screws from there.
[21:57:28] <MarkusBec> I have something like bit 0 is run sing bit 1 direktion etc
[21:57:30] <zeeshan|2> connor has a g0704. see if you can get the drawing from him
[21:57:51] <G0704> and what to do with the mounts?
[21:59:41] <G0704> linearmotionbearings2008 closed?
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[22:03:19] <zeeshan|2> G0704: i would talk to connor
[22:03:21] <zeeshan|2> he's the expert :)
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[22:03:43] <zeeshan|2> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/g0704-kit/grizzly-g0704-mill-cnc-conversion-kit-mounts-with-ballnut-mounts
[22:03:53] <zeeshan|2> i think chai knows what ball screws wwork with those
[22:07:01] <G0704> kassyopea it's also automationtechnologiesinc?
[22:08:11] <G0704> zeeshan|2: the link thet you send reffer to kassyopea, that look very similar to automationtechnologiesinc website
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[22:15:55] <G0704> zeeshan|2: MarkusBec t12_
[22:16:11] <G0704> what do tou think about this kit?
[22:16:12] <G0704> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Conversion-Kit-for-G0704-Milling-Machine-/291256396449?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
[22:16:18] <[cube]> looks like kassyopea is the name of the theme they're using
[22:16:25] <[cube]> and they were too lazy to replace the default theme logo
[22:17:41] <[cube]> http://www.yourinspirationweb.com/tf/kassyopea/
[22:19:00] <G0704> they also lazy with other stuff.
[22:19:54] <G0704> [cube]: do yoy know about non chinease ballscrews?
[22:20:10] <Connor> lmb2008 is good. they're machine them to spec if you ask.
[22:20:17] <zeeshan|2> there is connor :P
[22:20:27] <zeeshan|2> connor in the RV?
[22:20:28] <Connor> just for a minute.. moving to the RV today.
[22:20:31] <zeeshan|2> ah
[22:21:12] <[cube]> sorry G0704, I don't...only that they're probably double the price
[22:21:21] <zeeshan|2> and double the quality!
[22:21:21] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:21:27] <zeeshan|2> tripple the quality
[22:21:35] * zeeshan|2 can only afford chinese ball screws
[22:21:36] <MrHindsight> ask for non crunchy please
[22:21:52] <zeeshan|2> my lmb2008 ball screws were within 0.004" backlash
[22:21:52] <[cube]> i just cleaned out my brass chinese acme nuts
[22:21:59] <zeeshan|2> i ordered the double nuts and that should get rid of it.
[22:22:00] <[cube]> there was still burrs and shavings from the threading
[22:22:05] <[cube]> that they didnt bother to clean off
[22:22:06] <zeeshan|2> haha cube
[22:22:13] <G0704> is the junk is 200$ double the price is not that bad..
[22:22:16] <zeeshan|2> do u remember the mill i posted?
[22:22:20] <zeeshan|2> is yours similar to this one?
[22:22:24] <[cube]> yea
[22:22:29] <[cube]> it looks similar in size
[22:22:36] <MrHindsight> I have gotten so many bad ones that now I only pickup and test before I drive away
[22:22:37] <zeeshan|2> G0704: im just messing around
[22:22:37] <[cube]> the green one right?
[22:22:43] <zeeshan|2> rockford ball screws are around 900-1000
[22:22:57] <zeeshan|2> lol i forgot the color
[22:22:58] <zeeshan|2> i gotta check
[22:23:03] <[cube]> zeeshan: can you not make your own? limited to length?
[22:23:10] <zeeshan|2> ball screws?
[22:23:13] <[cube]> yeah
[22:23:19] <zeeshan|2> you want them ground
[22:23:42] <zeeshan|2> you could prolly make some okay ones on the lathe
[22:23:53] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[22:23:53] <MrHindsight> I'm looking for a nice grinder to make my own
[22:23:55] <zeeshan|2> yea this green one
[22:24:03] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: honestly no point
[22:24:06] <zeeshan|2> lmb2008 is so cheap
[22:24:10] <[cube]> yep looks about the same size
[22:24:23] <zeeshan|2> im still deciding if i should keep it
[22:24:25] <zeeshan|2> or sell it
[22:24:27] <[cube]> the depth limiter switch ilooks identical
[22:24:28] <zeeshan|2> *resell
[22:24:34] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: for custom sizes
[22:24:43] <G0704> so what to do?
[22:24:44] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: he can get you custom sizes
[22:24:55] <zeeshan|2> and i modified the ball screw on the lathe
[22:25:07] <zeeshan|2> without a grinder.. i used a carbide bit
[22:25:12] <[cube]> is that autofeed on the left?
[22:25:13] <zeeshan|2> carbide will eat into anything less than 55~ Rc
[22:25:17] <zeeshan|2> yea cube
[22:25:27] <[cube]> not bad
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[22:25:49] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: too long a lead time, and I do mostly custom
[22:26:12] <zeeshan|2> ah i see
[22:26:21] <[cube]> loojks like he was doing some woodwork on that
[22:26:32] <MrHindsight> rockford ballscrew is a 1 hr drive for me
[22:26:56] <MrHindsight> same for Pacific bearing
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[22:28:16] <G0704> I'm from NY
[22:28:59] <G0704> someone know about good place here?
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[22:31:25] <zeeshan|2> [cube]: how to fit this lathe
[22:31:27] <zeeshan|2> in my GARAGE!!
[22:31:37] <zeeshan|2> it would be a lot easier if could figure out where to put the cnc lathe
[22:31:43] <zeeshan|2> theres no room :-(
[22:32:27] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/in/photostream/
[22:32:29] <zeeshan|2> if i can get his
[22:32:34] <zeeshan|2> i will be the happiest person in the world!
[22:33:24] <MrHindsight> whats the asking price?
[22:33:26] <G0704> what a monster!
[22:33:28] <zeeshan|2> 300$
[22:33:35] <zeeshan|2> i went and saw it
[22:33:37] <zeeshan|2> and its in working condition
[22:33:46] <MrHindsight> sounds about right
[22:33:52] <zeeshan|2> no way
[22:33:56] <zeeshan|2> check out monarch 18c online
[22:34:02] <MrHindsight> I come across those for free if you remove it please
[22:34:02] <zeeshan|2> they go for 5000+
[22:34:11] <[cube]> dude
[22:34:16] <[cube]> i'd bite the bullet on moving costs
[22:34:18] <G0704> 300 for the lathe??
[22:34:19] <[cube]> if its $300
[22:34:20] <[cube]> lol
[22:34:27] <zeeshan|2> i found a rigger
[22:34:29] <zeeshan|2> that will do it for 500
[22:34:36] <[cube]> hell I'd cash advance a credit card
[22:34:37] <zeeshan|2> but now i need to figure out how to make space in garagfe
[22:34:45] <zeeshan|2> the cnc lathe is in the way
[22:35:01] <[cube]> yeah
[22:35:15] <[cube]> time for a bigger house :)
[22:35:39] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARNER-SWASEY-SQUARE-HEAD-RAM-TYPE-TURRET-LATHE-4-/321629995445 also these for <$500
[22:36:54] <MrHindsight> wait a few more weeks, everyone tends to clean house in late winter
[22:37:31] <G0704> why you need something that big??
[22:37:43] <G0704> at home..
[22:39:24] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: whats the distance between centers?
[22:41:21] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-ZL-15sm-CNC-Lathe-5-Axis-Mach-Emc2-Ballscrews-Sub-Spindel-Turret-/111303099086 says EMC2 in the title but all the motor are missing
[22:41:43] <MrHindsight> dream on for $4500
[22:44:28] <SpeedEvil> [cube]: simply fit an appropriate frame to the inside, and then at night, jack it up 8cm and add a row of bricks. Do this once every 2 weeks.
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[22:47:54] <zeeshan|2> i took some pictures for you guys
[22:48:05] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: 72"
[22:48:24] <XXCoder1> geez it looks like maze lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzDM7xi-fQ
[22:48:48] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16001280848/
[22:48:50] <zeeshan|2> holy shit my garage is a mess
[22:49:02] <zeeshan|2> the lathe im looking to buy
[22:49:08] <zeeshan|2> would fit where my cnc lathe is and bead roller is
[22:49:19] <zeeshan|2> and i'd move the welding table a little bit to make the 122" i need
[22:50:14] <MrHindsight> you didn't paint the walls pearl white?
[22:51:43] <zeeshan|2> HRmmm
[22:51:44] <Tom_itx> it would be alot lighter in there if you did
[22:51:45] <zeeshan|2> what to do what to do !
[22:51:55] <zeeshan|2> guys i dont care what the walls look like
[22:51:55] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:51:59] <zeeshan|2> i just want MACHINES!!!!
[22:51:59] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:52:09] <zeeshan|2> my only decoration is the moose
[22:52:11] <MrHindsight> heh, how did the lath conversion turn out?
[22:52:12] <Tom_itx> i'm just saying...
[22:52:13] <zeeshan|2> representing my loe for canada
[22:52:17] <zeeshan|2> *love
[22:52:22] <MrHindsight> lathe even
[22:52:28] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: it works awesome!
[22:52:47] <zeeshan|2> im impressed by how well it can hold half a thou
[22:52:53] <zeeshan|2> with a little bit of tinkering
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[22:53:09] <zeeshan|2> surface finish is good on it too
[22:53:17] <zeeshan|2> the only thing is the spindle bore is small for what i do
[22:53:26] <zeeshan|2> which is mostly why i want that big lathe
[22:53:33] <zeeshan|2> its got a 3-1/2" spindle bore
[22:53:40] <jdh> I'll give you us$965/shipped for your lathe
[22:53:52] <zeeshan|2> im not selling it for less than 2500
[22:54:00] <zeeshan|2> is there an easy way to move it to my basement? :/
[22:54:14] <jdh> what's a basement
[22:54:27] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[22:54:35] <zeeshan|2> don't have basements there?
[22:54:47] <jdh> I've heard there are a few places that have them.
[22:55:14] <jdh> no hills, just above sea level
[22:55:26] <zeeshan|2> im like 500 m above sea lever
[22:55:30] <MrHindsight> just places where the ground freezes
[22:55:37] <zeeshan|2> 1640 feet
[22:55:52] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: is that the reason?
[22:55:54] <zeeshan|2> i didnt know that
[22:55:55] <Tom_itx> 1170 here
[22:56:26] <zeeshan|2> ps i took that pic with no shirt on
[22:56:27] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: the foundations are dug to below the frost line
[22:56:39] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i know that :P
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[22:56:48] <zeeshan|2> but i thought only the footings had to be?
[22:56:58] <zeeshan|2> why make a basement when you can just run footings around the house?
[22:57:04] <MrHindsight> but while you're down there, make room
[22:57:18] <zeeshan|2> but if youre making footings only you just need a trench
[22:57:23] <zeeshan|2> rather than digging all that area out?
[22:57:35] <zeeshan|2> im not doubting what you have to say, i just want to know a solid reason when someone asks :)
[22:57:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/1.jpg
[22:57:41] <Tom_itx> i did
[22:57:42] <zeeshan|2> i'm no civil
[22:57:50] <MrHindsight> it's so that you can add an extra 1K sq ft that goes untaxed to your living space
[22:58:05] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: thats bad ass
[22:58:13] <zeeshan|2> i wish i had that.
[22:58:18] <zeeshan|2> would be so easy to move stuff to the basmenet
[22:58:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/6.jpg
[22:58:22] <Jymmm> Heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YDFf4f6Z0vg#t=407
[22:58:26] <Tom_itx> dug it all out
[22:58:33] <zeeshan|2> that is hardcore
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[22:58:44] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i should dig out my entire back yard
[22:58:48] <zeeshan|2> puit a bomb shelter
[22:58:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ...by hand, with a spoon,
[22:58:54] <zeeshan|2> cover it back with soil. and move all the garage stuff inthere :-)
[22:59:09] <XXCoder1> nah just build house underground
[22:59:09] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, spoon
[22:59:10] <jdh> woudl flood here
[22:59:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ...ignore the bowing of the floor above "it's fine"
[22:59:16] <XXCoder1> massive savings on heat costs
[22:59:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/7.jpg
[22:59:34] <Tom_itx> it was winter too
[22:59:50] <Tom_itx> i wired the furnace in the middle of the kitchen
[23:00:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: did you water/moisture proof the walls?
[23:00:14] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/9.jpg
[23:00:16] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:00:20] <Jymmm> with?
[23:00:27] <Tom_itx> drain tile and plastic
[23:00:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: nothing spray on?
[23:00:49] <Tom_itx> you can't spray on if the soil is the form
[23:01:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: that soil below the coder blocks? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/7.jpg
[23:01:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/8.jpg
[23:01:32] <Tom_itx> ?
[23:01:38] <Jymmm> cider blocks
[23:01:42] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:01:51] <Jymmm> not concrete wall?
[23:01:58] <Tom_itx> there were posts put uner the exhisting foundation
[23:02:09] <Tom_itx> then rebar put into it to the new pour
[23:02:25] <Tom_itx> and the posts were buried in cement
[23:02:43] <Tom_itx> with large rocks under each one as a 'footing'
[23:02:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what did you dig it out with?
[23:02:51] <Tom_itx> a spoon
[23:02:56] <Jymmm> serious;y
[23:03:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/2.jpg
[23:03:28] <zeeshan|2> im sure someone in here has moved a lathe
[23:03:31] <zeeshan|2> down a buncha stairs?
[23:03:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: amfuckbicous project
[23:03:43] <[cube]> i'll be doing that in a couple weeks
[23:03:53] <Tom_itx> i paid someone to do the walls and floor
[23:03:54] <[cube]> witha mid sized craftex
[23:03:57] <Tom_itx> i did all the rest
[23:04:02] <[cube]> going to slide it down
[23:04:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: only ONCE, then after that said "fuck this shit, never again"
[23:04:18] <[cube]> with an anchor in the wall at top of stairs
[23:04:21] <Tom_itx> including tearing off the back of the house to square off that corner
[23:04:23] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: let me guess it will get sold with the house?
[23:04:26] <zeeshan|2> never coming back up? :D haha
[23:04:34] <Tom_itx> rebuilt the whole rear of the house
[23:04:47] <zeeshan|2> cube how much does it weigh
[23:04:53] <[cube]> 400kg i think
[23:04:57] <zeeshan|2> 800lb
[23:04:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: "Built in workshop and tooling included with listing"
[23:04:59] <[cube]> hopefully it'll be in a crate
[23:05:00] <zeeshan|2> mines about 1200~
[23:05:06] <zeeshan|2> so not too far off.
[23:05:15] <SpeedEvil> Dammit - here is where I wish I'd bookmarked stuff.
[23:05:21] <SpeedEvil> Some nutter excavated a basement.
[23:05:24] <SpeedEvil> Using r/c toys
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[23:05:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: seriously man, that is/was one hell of a project there.
[23:05:51] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/11.jpg
[23:05:54] <Tom_itx> walls in
[23:06:02] <Tom_itx> all that's left is the final floor pour
[23:06:09] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGzgBvkz09Y
[23:06:09] <Tom_itx> the floor is ~8" thick
[23:06:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: why are these photos so tiny?
[23:06:36] <Tom_itx> i copied them from film
[23:06:50] <Jymmm> so?
[23:07:01] <Tom_itx> want em smaller?
[23:07:04] <zeeshan|2> cube
[23:07:07] <zeeshan|2> youre gonna rip the stud out of the wall
[23:07:08] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:07:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you copied tham at 320x200? I don't thik so =)
[23:07:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Did you run sewer down there?
[23:07:46] <[cube]> im sure you all remember this guy
[23:07:46] <[cube]> http://coolmaterial.com/roundup/man-builds-a-lamborghini-in-his-basement/
[23:08:09] <zeeshan|2> haha yea
[23:08:11] <zeeshan|2> he ripped hie wall out
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[23:08:34] <zeeshan|2> i dont understand if youre gonna do ALL that custom work
[23:08:41] <zeeshan|2> what the hell is the point of copying a lambo?
[23:08:49] <zeeshan|2> you should make your own fancy custom design
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[23:09:22] <Jymmm> He had 17 years to kill, who cares
[23:09:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=about_this_project - better class of nutter
[23:09:59] <SpeedEvil> 1/4 scale F1 engine
[23:10:32] * zeeshan|2 goes back in depressed mode
[23:10:49] * zeeshan|2 's reality sinks in, that lathe is not going to be mine :-(
[23:11:36] * Jymmm pats zeeshan|2 on the back and hands hima ber
[23:11:52] <Jymmm> beer
[23:11:52] <the_wench> I am not your waitress!
[23:11:59] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[23:12:11] <Jymmm> wench, an ale!
[23:12:37] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of selling my lathe
[23:12:40] <zeeshan|2> but i like it too much to sell it
[23:13:05] <zeeshan|2> maybe one day there will be a 1000 cnc lathe avaiable
[23:13:07] <zeeshan|2> and i can sell it :/
[23:13:10] <zeeshan|2> $
[23:13:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Minitype-C2-mini-lathe-CJ9518-C2-Household-lathe-multi-function-CNC-lathe/835059_1500356261.html
[23:14:15] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: not that small
[23:14:20] <zeeshan|2> a real one :P
[23:14:25] <zeeshan|2> slant bed
[23:14:36] <zeeshan|2> and not that tormach nonsense
[23:14:47] <zeeshan|2> it doesnt have much c-c distance
[23:14:56] <SpeedEvil> I used to have a slant-bed.
[23:15:00] <SpeedEvil> I kept falling out.
[23:15:06] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:15:59] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: You need two of them side by side
[23:16:13] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: then you'll roll to the middle and not fall out
[23:16:22] <SpeedEvil> If properly setup
[23:16:44] <Jymmm> and a lion pit below
[23:19:11] <Tom_itx> Jymmm yes the basement is plummed
[23:19:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ok, how does shit go up hill?
[23:19:28] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: all your machines are in the basement?
[23:19:35] <Tom_itx> waste pump
[23:19:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: if the pump fails?
[23:19:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, no none are
[23:19:57] <Tom_itx> then you go upstairs
[23:20:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: seawage flood?
[23:20:13] <Tom_itx> never
[23:20:24] <Tom_itx> it backs up in the tub first
[23:20:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: if the pump failed that is
[23:20:32] <Tom_itx> then you know it's time to fix the switch
[23:20:35] <zeeshan|2> oh
[23:20:48] <Tom_itx> there's a sump beside the waste pump too
[23:20:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No, seriously, I'm asking what would happen if you were away for two weeks and it failed
[23:21:15] <Tom_itx> i shut things off to prevent that
[23:21:22] <Jymmm> if you forgot
[23:21:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/10.jpg
[23:21:45] <Tom_itx> there's the bathroom roughin
[23:22:10] <Jymmm> nm
[23:23:29] <Tom_itx> it's been there probably 20 yrs with no issue
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[23:28:21] <Jymmm> Could I combine all three outputs to get a single 75W to one LED ? http://www.dxsoul.com//product/full-color-rgb-led-strip-driver-module-for-arduino-blue-black-901314667
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[23:28:58] <Jymmm> assuming proper heatsinks. but I mena combine the output of all three to get 75W
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[23:29:44] <Tom_itx> it's not a good idea
[23:29:50] <Jymmm> why?
[23:30:27] <Tom_itx> one will try to drive harder than the other two
[23:30:39] <Jymmm> ah
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[23:30:59] <SpeedEvil> For the intended application, it's just fine
[23:31:03] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't trust cheap chinese shit to perform to spec anyway
[23:31:06] <SpeedEvil> these are not voltage regulators
[23:31:17] <SpeedEvil> They are PWM switches
[23:31:26] <Tom_itx> are those mosfets or regulators?
[23:31:26] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: yep
[23:31:31] <SpeedEvil> And MOSFETs parallel well
[23:31:32] <Tom_itx> you can parallel mosfets
[23:31:53] <Tom_itx> i didn't read the description... i thought those were linear regs
[23:32:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No, not regs
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[23:32:35] <Tom_itx> ideally you want the gates to have the same drive
[23:32:54] <SpeedEvil> yeah - you do not want a load that requires all FETs on
[23:33:01] <SpeedEvil> And have only one on
[23:33:18] <Tom_itx> which that doesn't do i think
[23:33:30] <Jymmm> P3055LDG
[23:33:35] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: do you repair electronics?
[23:33:36] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:33:43] <Tom_itx> some
[23:33:45] <Tom_itx> not alot
[23:33:48] <zeeshan|2> repair my speed selector!
[23:33:51] <zeeshan|2> i bet you'd know how to
[23:34:00] <Jymmm> N-Channel Logic Level Enhancement Mode Field Effect Transistor
[23:34:03] <zeeshan|2> it has no instructions for pinouts though
[23:34:08] <zeeshan|2> which is how i burned it to begin with
[23:34:13] <Jymmm> V 25, I 12A
[23:34:19] <Tom_itx> you find the data sheet for the chips zeeshan|2
[23:34:28] <zeeshan|2> yea i have all the datasheets
[23:34:36] <zeeshan|2> but no instructions for the pinouts
[23:34:36] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, n channel are used because they are easy to drive with logic
[23:34:40] <Tom_itx> P channel aren't
[23:34:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: So can I combine for 75W ?
[23:35:09] <Tom_itx> i don't think i would with that device
[23:35:26] <Tom_itx> the gates aren't parallel'd
[23:36:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/techxchange/message/9251
[23:37:50] <SpeedEvil> The above is in fact a digitally addressible 3 colour LED driver
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[23:38:11] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Yes, and your point it?
[23:38:20] <Tom_itx> separate drive channels
[23:38:32] <Tom_itx> they are not balanced
[23:38:37] <SpeedEvil> It's connected to a digital bus, with in-out that you daisy chain to more boards in a sequence
[23:38:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 256 bit of RGB
[23:38:58] <SpeedEvil> Each one does progtrammable 3*255 bit PWM
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[23:39:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Vgs says 1.2V, I could easily check verify that
[23:39:33] <Tom_itx> did you read the digikey thing?
[23:39:33] <SpeedEvil> Vgs(th) is the current at whihc it passes 0.25mA typically
[23:39:44] <Tom_itx> even there you need balance resistors
[23:39:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yes, that's how I know about the Vgs
[23:39:49] <Tom_itx> for best results
[23:40:08] <SpeedEvil> If I was using that for switching all three, I would simply remove two of the gate resistors, and wire all three gates in parallel
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[23:40:24] <SpeedEvil> You do not need ballast resistors.
[23:40:27] <Tom_itx> that would probably work
[23:40:41] <SpeedEvil> The intended use is for LEDs with resistors already there
[23:41:13] <Jymmm> 12V LED strips
[23:41:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[23:41:30] <SpeedEvil> This is ideal for _really_ big projects
[23:41:41] <Tom_itx> the ballast resistors balance the rdson from part to part
[23:41:54] <Tom_itx> they're probably optional
[23:42:32] <SpeedEvil> In this particular app, they are basically irrelevant.
[23:42:46] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:42:48] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm programming my own patterns in ardunio, and i have a 20W LEd on it's way,
[23:42:53] <SpeedEvil> This is because when fully turned on, the transistor has so little heatsinking that the losses in each transistor are basically the same.
[23:43:00] <SpeedEvil> Before it melts
[23:43:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I did say PROPER heatsinking =)
[23:43:34] * Jymmm looks over at the bottle of mineral oil
[23:43:34] <SpeedEvil> (it should not need heatsinking)
[23:43:35] <Tom_itx> the leads will fuse before the part fails on alot of high power MOSFETS
[23:43:49] <Tom_itx> that's the funny thing
[23:43:58] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: it's china crap, of course it needs heatsinking =)
[23:44:09] <Tom_itx> 50A mosfet in a TO220 case
[23:44:34] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: If the FETs are to spec, it probably actually doesn't
[23:44:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: for $7, I'm not gonna bitch about it too much
[23:44:59] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: http://www.cheertech.com.tw/Niko-sem/Data%20sheet%5CP3055LDG.pdf
[23:45:32] <Jymmm> 8A @ 100C
[23:45:40] <Jymmm> 12A @ 25C
[23:45:56] <Jymmm> Ohhhhhhhhh 45A pulsed =)
[23:46:34] <Jymmm> 20W @ 100C disapation =(
[23:46:34] <SpeedEvil> Worst-case at 5V supply with 12A load is 120mohm
[23:46:51] <SpeedEvil> If you're using 12V LEDs, and doing 25W per, that's 2A
[23:47:05] <SpeedEvil> 2A*.1R = .2V = .2W or so per FET
[23:47:41] <Jymmm> I want to pump in 45A to an LED for 10mS
[23:47:43] <SpeedEvil> That's actually within the 'junction to ambient' spec.
[23:48:12] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, your TV remote is overdrive the same way
[23:48:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Cool
[23:49:18] <Jymmm> I'm just not sure how to sove 45A down the throat of an LEd though
[23:49:22] <Jymmm> shove*
[23:49:23] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: why
[23:49:27] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: and what LED
[23:49:52] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: burst brightness
[23:49:58] <SpeedEvil> Overdriving - even for very short pulses - at more than ~10-20* is going to fry it
[23:50:21] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: have you tried it?
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[23:52:33] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: I know the physics, and looked into it more for an LED flash thing
[23:52:48] <Jymmm> My main issue is not having a scope and not abele to verify the timings
[23:52:55] <SpeedEvil> 10ms is probably too long to overdrive at 20*
[23:53:09] <Jymmm> Fine, 5mS, whatever
[23:53:12] <SpeedEvil> The above FET is poorly verified
[23:53:14] <SpeedEvil> err
[23:53:16] <SpeedEvil> specified
[23:53:25] <SpeedEvil> It does not have a any real data over 10A
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[23:53:39] <Jymmm> can be pulsed at 45A it says
[23:53:41] <Rab> Jymmm, the datasheet for your LED part should have a figure for absolute maximum instantaneous current; and dissipation figures so you can calculate pulse current vs duration.
[23:54:02] <SpeedEvil> Rab: he's overdriving them
[23:54:23] <Rab> Oh heh, wishing good luck.
[23:55:11] <Jymmm> This is (basically) a digital flash bang. Only needs to last 6 seconds
[23:55:21] <Jymmm> at the very most
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[23:55:57] <Jymmm> as an experiment
[23:56:24] <Jymmm> just want the maxium amount of light I can suck out of it
[23:56:25] <Rab> Rotate between multiple LEDs to significantly decrease duty cycle. ^_^
[23:56:35] <somenewguy> SpeedEvil: I think the dudethat excavated his basement w/ maybe even homemade RC tonkas was a scandanavian
[23:56:37] <somenewguy> or canadian
[23:56:39] <somenewguy> something cold
[23:56:52] <Jymmm> Rab: three in a triangle configuration
[23:57:18] <Jymmm> for a full 360 deg burst
[23:57:37] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Theamount of light you can get out - total- with pulses -is much less than you can get out continuous over a period of 6s
[23:58:26] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I understand what you're saying, but I've heard otherwise as well.
[23:58:41] <SpeedEvil> The total magnitude of light output by each pulse is lower
[23:59:02] <SpeedEvil> But - since about 15 years ago - LEDs produce less, not more total light output if you pulse them.
[23:59:11] <SpeedEvil> It was true - for very, very old LEDs.
[23:59:32] <Jymmm> sure, at rated amperage, not being overdriven.
[23:59:48] <SpeedEvil> No, being overdriven