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[00:46:07] <roycroft> we had a grinder that big at the community college shop where i took my machining courses
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[00:46:18] <roycroft> i never used it - it was rather intimidating
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[00:46:40] <roycroft> and the smaller grinders could easily handle anything i needed to do
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[01:15:15] <unfy> big machines always scare the bejesus out of me :D
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[01:15:32] <unfy> "how much weight is moving at what speed or being held in place by what?.... no thanks, i'm out of here"
[01:20:04] <furrywolf> and yet you drive on roads populated by far bigger machines with far less reliable control systems...
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[01:21:06] <roycroft> they should, unfy
[01:21:18] <roycroft> if you don't have a healthy respect for big machines you should not go near them
[01:21:32] <unfy> furry: actually, i didn't start driving until i was in my early 30's :D
[01:21:57] <furrywolf> ... you'd better not be a pothead hippie or something. :P
[01:22:25] <unfy> lol. no :D
[01:23:29] <furrywolf> just got my replacement breakout board... it's identical, right down to the same counterfeit caps.
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[01:24:04] <unfy> heh
[01:24:22] <furrywolf> should I use it, and hope these are less prone to exploding than the last one (i.e. it was just one even more defective than usual), or recap it first?
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[01:26:33] <unfy> $15 breakout board powering how expensive drivers ?
[01:27:00] <furrywolf> $700/each, if you buy them new.
[01:27:09] <unfy> recap the board :D
[01:28:12] <furrywolf> ok, will make trip to ratshack tomorrow. I know I have the caps, but I know that if I value my time at anything, it's cheaper to buy new ones than look for the ones I have. heh.
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[01:30:39] <unfy> 18 months ago, i knocked over a ~50 bin small parts cabinet. swept it all up and put it in a box to decide later if to sort or trash. about 6 months ago I decided to sort it all instead. Took *forever*
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[01:31:54] <furrywolf> I have that problem, doubly... my stuff could often be better organized... buy last year I got a large lot of electronics parts cheap, and someone decided they wanted to keep some of the bins they were neatly organized into, and dumped some of them together...
[01:32:03] <roycroft> breeding for the slave labor almost seems easier than that, unfy
[01:32:32] <furrywolf> I got ~10 neat organizer bins (the kind with a bunch of pull-out drawers), and two boxes packed solid of stuff they dumped out of the other ten bins.
[01:32:44] <unfy> roy: i was at a stressful time and the sorting was somewhat soothing.
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[01:32:57] <roycroft> yeah, it can be kind of zen
[01:33:02] <roycroft> if you approach it that way
[01:33:26] <furrywolf> there's some neat stuff in there... lots of pre-purchased assortments. like a big kit of different switches, ten to a drawer, complete... a complete 4000 series cmos kit... etc.
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[01:33:50] <unfy> there were some inductors and caps that were axial resistor looking that i just dumped instead of dealing with... but yeah, it was nice.
[01:34:43] <unfy> furry: neat
[01:35:21] <furrywolf> got the whole lot for $20.
[01:35:53] <furrywolf> one of these days I want to start a hackerspace (though under a less-stupid name), and there's some excellent supplies in there for it.
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[01:36:36] <unfy> i've considered a few similar things. such as one for hand loading ammo and such
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[01:41:55] * furrywolf has never wanted to handload ammo. heh
[01:42:04] <unfy> something that i've not worked out yet -- surface mount parts storage
[01:42:39] <unfy> i suppose if you buy things in reels it's not such a big deal ... but being just a hobbyist... yeah... not so much
[01:43:29] <furrywolf> what's wrong with organizer bins?
[01:43:39] <furrywolf> get ones with reallllly little drawers. :)
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[01:44:06] <unfy> http://www.arrownac.com/services-tools/breaking-tape-and-reel/images/tape-72dpi.jpg
[01:44:21] <unfy> they'll come in stuff like this. which i suppose you could just cut into strips and neatly lay in the bins
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[01:45:10] <furrywolf> yeah, I've bought parts on cut tape before.
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[01:45:37] <furrywolf> I generally avoid smt... my paws are not compatible with parts that small.
[01:46:04] <unfy> i've been moving to smt just so that i don't have to fight with drilling so many infernal holes
[01:46:16] <unfy> granted, my first use of CNC will be as a PCB drill :D
[01:47:18] <furrywolf> don't forget you can mill pcbs too.
[01:47:30] <unfy> i've been pretty happy with my etchant setup so far
[01:47:52] <unfy> granted, the $70 ebay kit would have been simpler as a start heh
[01:48:26] <Tom_shop> i use a bubble tank when i do my own
[01:49:02] <unfy> cut / built own bubble tank, have a heater. using CuCl as etchant
[01:49:27] <Tom_shop> i use sodium persulphate or ammonium persulphate
[01:49:40] <unfy> toner transfer with laminator & laser foil
[01:50:28] <Tom_shop> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch_index.php
[01:50:28] <unfy> (but i'm doing one offs - anything of 10 or more boards would undoubtedly go to a production house)
[01:51:00] <unfy> my tank is far uglier but built for speed
[01:51:07] <unfy> rather, speed of proof of concept
[01:51:17] <unfy> being as ugly as it is, there are no pics for it :D
[01:51:24] <Tom_shop> i preheat the etchant in a hot water bath
[01:51:35] <Tom_shop> don't need a heater
[01:51:54] <furrywolf> I never got toner transfer to work.
[01:51:57] <unfy> my intial testing was with a large tub that i would use a tea kettle to get hot water into
[01:52:22] <unfy> furry: with fecl, it shouldn't have been too hard
[01:52:39] <unfy> and the hot water would then heat the etchant, much like how you heat yours, tom
[01:53:15] <furrywolf> I never got good transfer... it'd have gaps, or it'd stick to the paper better than the board, or it just wouldn't melt no matter how hot I got it, or it'd smear, or... every time a failure.
[01:53:20] <unfy> but, i don't wanna mess with the hot water stuff - so i just spent the $25 or whatever on a heater.
[01:54:21] <unfy> furry: i have somewhat okay luck with hp glossy laser paper. glossy inkjest was so/so. in the end - i use some midwayusa (glossy catalog) paper taped to plain paper
[01:54:51] <unfy> (recent model cheap brother laser printer, still on starter toner cartridge)
[01:55:44] <unfy> the laminator approach has prolly helped in transfer. was a $16 new thing off ebay in the next town over.
[01:56:04] <Tom_shop> i use an iron
[01:56:56] <unfy> i've been building a uv led exposure box that's kind of a mix of the instructable and some other one. hoping to make use of solder mask too etc
[01:57:33] <unfy> i did a simiar thing for my bubble hose retention, tom, btw :D
[01:58:27] <unfy> i'll drill a hole in small piece of wood or pvc and use it to position LED's for soldering on perf board
[02:03:47] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
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[02:11:37] <furrywolf> I hate new years.
[02:11:57] <furrywolf> I like going to bed at a reasonable hour. tonight, everyone in the neighborhood will be making loud noise all fucking night.
[02:12:20] <unfy> 20:11 here, and folks have already started here by work ._.
[02:13:00] <furrywolf> ?
[02:13:09] <furrywolf> oh, you're at work.
[02:13:09] <malcom2073> I'm thankful that I don't live in a neighborhood, so I can go to bed at a resonable hour :P
[02:13:15] <unfy> combined thoughts, sorry
[02:13:27] <furrywolf> malcom: you'd be amazed how far the noise of automatic weapons travels.
[02:14:34] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I have quite a few, no amazement needed, fortunatly though people don't shoot anything off other than fireworks around here, and those are far enough away not to bother me
[02:14:49] <malcom2073> Well not automatic, but yeah
[02:16:33] <furrywolf> firearms are popular around here, and some people seem to have waaaaay too much money to spend on ammo. do you know how expensive it is to run through twenty clips in a row these days? heh
[02:16:51] <unfy> that's why you load your own
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[02:17:03] <furrywolf> and I don't mean the stupid california legal ones. no one actually has those.
[02:17:38] <furrywolf> even .22lr is too expensive to plink with...
[02:17:40] <malcom2073> Heh, man... if someone tried to fire off weapons into the air, the farmers would be all over them faster than the police could get there, keeps things pretty quiet.
[02:19:05] <furrywolf> ... why would the police or farmers be bothering people shooting on their own private property?
[02:19:28] <renesis> because cops?
[02:19:33] <furrywolf> it's your land, if you want to line up crap on a stump and waste a thousand bucks of ammo, that's your right.
[02:20:26] <furrywolf> if you do it in a populated area, you'll probably get a noise complaint, but on new year's eve, unlikely...
[02:22:36] <renesis> cops dont care about your right?
[02:24:34] <furrywolf> of course they don't, but unless they see an opportunity to sieze cash, they're not responding either.
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[02:36:32] <renesis> furrywolf: i dont think they make much money busting poor people
[02:36:41] <renesis> which is like, their #1 pasttime
[02:37:19] <unfy> i was facing a lawsuit but hadn't been served because i moved like 9 months earlier etc etc etc... so i went through court documents to try to find out what was going on
[02:37:55] <unfy> when doing so, i came across a lot of court orders adjusting the price of ... like... "adult drug court costs" etc. it seems a lot of that was $600-$900 a month.
[02:38:04] <unfy> how on earth is a dirt bag supposed to afford that?
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[02:49:19] <renesis> theyre not
[02:49:32] <renesis> so they go to jail, and some private company makes money off them
[02:49:59] <roycroft> and when you get out of jail you still have to pay the money
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[03:10:52] <_methods> the only better slaves are the morons with 5 kids from 5 diff mothers
[03:11:02] <_methods> child support slaves
[03:14:43] <_methods> i have a hard time feeling sorry for them
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[03:16:47] <furrywolf> grrrrr. someone up the road is being even louder than normal. I'd guess ~1lb of black powder per boom...
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[03:17:45] <_methods> it's horrible here in south carolina they'll be shootin fireworks all wknd
[03:18:49] <_methods> blowin money up
[03:21:19] <furrywolf> ... wtf. that last boom hurt my ears. I'd estimate it's ~1mi away.
[03:21:37] <furrywolf> I'm inside, and all the windows are closed, and shades shut.
[03:23:48] <furrywolf> it was sharp too, more like a proper high explosive than black powder.
[03:24:49] <_methods> hehe not some silly low order explosion
[03:26:46] * furrywolf likes quiet, and sleep. (and lots of other things, but those are most relevant to tonight.)
[03:27:49] <_methods> i get no sleep till the fireworks end
[03:27:56] <_methods> my dog is scared to death of them
[03:28:42] <furrywolf> yeah, lots of dogs barking after that last boom.
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[03:30:47] <zeeshan|2> happy new year everyone
[03:30:57] <zeeshan|2> im a bit early, but you guys might be gone :)
[03:31:04] * furrywolf isn't happy
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[03:31:10] <zeeshan|2> why
[03:31:34] <PetefromTn_> Happy New Year Zeeshan and Everyone on LinuxCNC IRC!
[03:31:43] <zeeshan|2> hey pete!
[03:31:43] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:31:50] <PetefromTn_> :D
[03:31:54] <zeeshan|2> is your wife making you a cheese cake
[03:32:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah she did actually but we have some key lime pie and other goodies so I am going to be eating other stuff tonight LOL...
[03:32:25] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of starting the new year with a delicious good ol rib steak
[03:32:39] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:32:50] * furrywolf wants cheesecake! (and wouldn't mind a wife either, but mature, intelligent, sane, practical women who like wolfies and are good with a strapon are really hard to find...)
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[03:33:04] <zeeshan|2> p
[03:33:09] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: howd you move your lathe?
[03:33:14] <zeeshan|2> i can't figure out a cheap way to move this big ass lathe
[03:33:15] <PetefromTn_> we are just doing our usual snackfest with the kids and waiting for the stroke of midnight LOL
[03:33:21] <zeeshan|2> i likely wont be able to get it :(
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[03:33:36] <PetefromTn_> I moved it in the shop with my engine crane
[03:33:46] <zeeshan|2> how much does it weigh??
[03:33:47] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU
[03:33:50] <PetefromTn_> they loaded it on their end with a big fork truck
[03:33:59] <PetefromTn_> like 4k or so I think.
[03:34:02] <zeeshan|2> that's the problem, this guy's forklift is broken
[03:34:11] <zeeshan|2> he expects me to hire someone to load it
[03:34:27] <PetefromTn_> Don't you already have a CNC lathe?
[03:34:31] <zeeshan|2> i do
[03:34:34] <zeeshan|2> but this one is bigger
[03:34:47] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of cncing it
[03:34:53] <PetefromTn_> its not CNC?
[03:35:04] <zeeshan|2> but realistically, other than it being more sturdy, and being able to machien larger stuff
[03:35:06] <zeeshan|2> it has no benefits
[03:35:12] <furrywolf> call your local rental equipment company and see about a forklift rental. or call any local company that handles heavy equipment and ask what they'd charge to pick it up.
[03:35:12] <zeeshan|2> so i need to be more realistic..
[03:35:17] <PetefromTn_> what kind of lathe is it.
[03:35:19] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: 350.. per day
[03:35:27] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/
[03:35:30] <zeeshan|2> big ol monarch
[03:35:43] <furrywolf> do you have a truck or trailer that can support it?
[03:35:47] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:35:49] <PetefromTn_> WOW that's gonna be a heavy bitch
[03:36:03] <zeeshan|2> this guy only wants 300$ for the machine
[03:36:10] <zeeshan|2> so it makes no sense to spent over 1000 on moving it
[03:36:14] <zeeshan|2> and do i really need it? no.
[03:36:20] <zeeshan|2> is it nice to have, hell yes :(
[03:36:21] <voxadam> That's a nice machine
[03:36:33] <_methods> yeah that's a no brainer
[03:36:36] <zeeshan|2> if someone else is near toronto and is interested, i can forward you the info..
[03:36:37] <_methods> even to just flip it
[03:36:41] <zeeshan|2> im gonna have to pass on it
[03:36:41] <furrywolf> u-haul will rent you a trailer cheap enough, so you need to work on loading/unloading. 4klbs is within the capacity of an inexpensive rental engine hoist. rent u-haul, rent hoist, load,...
[03:36:42] <PetefromTn_> honestly if all you want to do is CNC it there are probably better machines out there.
[03:36:43] <zeeshan|2> it hurts so much
[03:36:51] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: $300!!!
[03:36:57] <voxadam> If the ways and screws are in decent condition it'd be worth it.
[03:36:59] <zeeshan|2> i'm not kidding!
[03:37:01] <_methods> besides it's criminal to cnc that
[03:37:09] <zeeshan|2> voxadam: they are
[03:37:11] <zeeshan|2> i test ran the machine
[03:37:18] <zeeshan|2> its a functioning manual machine
[03:37:30] <zeeshan|2> it leaks a bit of oil from the gear box
[03:37:32] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of great buys on older machines out there man. that is nice but it is a really large machine too... very heavy
[03:37:46] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this machine is on ebay for 6500-12k
[03:37:55] <zeeshan|2> but even after considering ebays inflation
[03:37:59] <zeeshan|2> i'd think these would go for at least 3k?
[03:38:01] <PetefromTn_> then buy it, and deal with moving it..
[03:38:12] <voxadam> My father recently bought this for his home shop.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/myzihz0nn8ckj1b/mori.jpg?dl=0
[03:38:16] <furrywolf> do you think it's going to take multiple days to move it? 350/day isn't entirely unreasonable.
[03:38:24] <furrywolf> if that includes all costs
[03:38:37] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: another 500 for flatbed delivery
[03:38:45] <furrywolf> ah
[03:38:50] <PetefromTn_> how far away is it from you?
[03:38:56] <zeeshan|2> 80 miles
[03:39:04] <zeeshan|2> 60 miles
[03:39:09] <zeeshan|2> (sorry im not good with the conversion)
[03:39:17] <PetefromTn_> you might be able to get a local rollback wrecker to deliver it like I did
[03:39:19] <voxadam> It's a Mori Seki MV40 with a nice ATC. He got it for less than five grand.
[03:39:21] <furrywolf> call local moving places, or post an ad on craigslist asking if there's anyone in the area that'll load it on your trailer (rental) for a few bucks/alcohol.
[03:39:38] <PetefromTn_> they can winch it up onto the truck and move it and even set it if you have enough room on both ends
[03:39:40] <zeeshan|2> is there any way you can get a flatbed with a forklift on it ?
[03:39:53] <furrywolf> you can also try lumber companies with self-loading trucks
[03:40:03] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the roll back wrecker said 350-500 bux
[03:40:09] <zeeshan|2> and he can slide it into my garage
[03:40:16] <zeeshan|2> but the problem is, there is no way to pick it up from the guy
[03:40:18] <furrywolf> that's not too bad.
[03:40:21] <PetefromTn_> that is reasonable for that kind of distance
[03:40:22] <zeeshan|2> hes got it buried in the back
[03:40:31] <zeeshan|2> so i need to get a forklift somehow
[03:40:35] <furrywolf> jack + two layers of 1" plywood + wooden dowels
[03:40:56] <PetefromTn_> rent some machine skates and buy a HF hydraulic kit
[03:41:10] <furrywolf> same way you move safes. :)
[03:41:19] <zeeshan|2> i have machine skates and a hydraulic jack lift thing
[03:41:26] <zeeshan|2> but i think it will still be hard to do
[03:41:30] <PetefromTn_> we moved my Cincinatti with that and it was not too bad
[03:41:33] <zeeshan|2> cause of where the machine is
[03:41:45] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[03:41:50] <zeeshan|2> i think im just gonna buy this from him
[03:41:54] <PetefromTn_> just go slow and careful and use cribbage under it when you get it up in stages
[03:41:56] <zeeshan|2> me and my friend can move that with an engine hoist
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[03:42:00] <furrywolf> look for other local businesses that might be within drive-forklift-on-street-to-his-place range.
[03:42:05] <voxadam> Such a cute little mill.
[03:42:14] <zeeshan|2> voxadam: $200
[03:42:19] <voxadam> Not bad.
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[03:42:27] <PetefromTn_> I bought one for $300.00
[03:42:28] <zeeshan|2> can't let this one go for sure
[03:42:39] <zeeshan|2> this one has powerfeed and stuff on it
[03:42:44] <voxadam> It would be an easy conversion for lightweight work.
[03:43:10] <zeeshan|2> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/milling-drilling-machine-1-5hp-cx-series.html
[03:43:12] <zeeshan|2> same machine
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[03:43:34] <furrywolf> moving/storage companies, soda distributors, machine shops, wreckers/junkyards, warehouses for just about anything, costco/etc, all sorts of businesses have forklifts...
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[03:44:05] <furrywolf> I always find it amusing for some reason when I see the local cocacola warehouse making deliveries by driving their forklift on the open road. :)
[03:44:54] <furrywolf> see what businesses are in the local area, and if you can bribe some low-level person to take the forklift down the road and load it.
[03:45:03] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:45:11] <zeeshan|2> thats the best man.
[03:45:21] <zeeshan|2> last time i did that locally near my house, it only cost me $40
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[03:46:07] <furrywolf> right. so rent a trailer, find someone local to the machine to help with loading, get it home, find someone local to you to unload,...
[03:47:15] <furrywolf> roofing companies might have boom loaders while sign companies and tree companies might have boom trucks with sufficient lifting capability, if these's access for vehicles into the building
[03:48:22] <furrywolf> also, if you can jack it up enough to get plywood under it, you might just be able to drag it with a car, if he has a smooth concrete floor...
[03:48:40] <furrywolf> pull the plywood, not the machine!
[03:50:45] * furrywolf is a redneck
[03:56:13] <furrywolf> I wish I had room for toys like that. I barely have room for my china mill-drill combo machine, and that's in a storage unit, not at home...
[03:56:35] <zeeshan|2> i dont have room
[03:56:36] <zeeshan|2> :/
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[03:56:38] <zeeshan|2> id need to make some
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[03:58:58] <furrywolf> hrmm, I really should buy myself a toy for christmas... (of the under-bed variety, not cnc variety)
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[03:59:27] <zeeshan|2> ??
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[04:00:49] <furrywolf> I was thinking about not having room for toys and having to keep them in a storage unit because there's no space in my house, then I thought that I do indeed have toys in the house, just a very different variety.... then I remembered I was annoyed no one got me anything at all for christmas...
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[04:39:56] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[04:58:17] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/gwZGDQH problems when sawing
[04:58:37] <humble_sea_bass> Hapy New Year
http://irclo.gr/i/163068/No-Matter-What.jpg
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[05:09:59] <CaptHindsight> oh god, yikes!
[05:11:04] <CaptHindsight> perfect for an xmas card
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[07:12:23] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board-Speed-Adjustable-Remote-Control-/291333941873?tfrom=291333936286&tpos=bottom&ttype=price&talgo=undefined
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[09:02:08] <Deejay> moin
[09:02:47] <Deejay> happy new year!
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[13:55:09] <Jymmm> Relay board
http://www.dxsoul.com/product/7034-16-channel-12v-relay-module-board-w-power-lm2576-light-coupling-protection-blue-901183372
[13:56:40] <Jymmm> TTL-to-RS-485
http://www.dxsoul.com/product/ttl-to-rs485-module-for-arduino-green-901163849
[13:56:59] <malcom2073> is dxsoul like dealxtreme?
[13:57:28] <Jymmm> Yes, but ships FROM the US
[13:57:48] <malcom2073> Oh neat
[13:58:07] <Jymmm> at slightly higher pricing than the HK variant
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[14:29:26] <jthornton> is it just me or is linuxcnc.org not responding?
[14:32:42] <mrsun> doesnt seem to be responding here either
[14:33:17] <_methods> yeah the "hackers" were busy last night
[14:33:25] <_methods> i guess no one invited them out to any parties
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[14:42:23] <The_Ball> jthornton, looks like the main page has been hacked
[14:42:33] <The_Ball> This works:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html
[14:42:39] <The_Ball> But
http://linuxcnc.org/ doesn't
[14:43:03] <The_Ball> Sorry, I take it back, it just loaded now
[14:43:12] <CaptHindsight> yes, it work
[14:43:17] <CaptHindsight> +s
[14:45:06] <CaptHindsight> the formatting looks off, there's no space between the border and the left justified text in the middle
[14:45:54] <archivist> never has been
[14:46:02] <CaptHindsight> the middle lost its left padding
[14:46:07] <archivist> been bad like that for years
[14:48:02] <The_Ball> in lathe mode, what's the common mode to setup Z, is -Z going into the stock or away from it?
[14:48:28] <The_Ball> assuming you touched off Z0 at the end of the stock
[14:49:17] <_methods> it's a personal thing unfortunately
[14:49:46] <_methods> some people like 0 to be the end of the finished part
[14:49:54] <_methods> some people like 0 to be the face of the part
[14:50:37] <mrsun> hmm i wonder how effective thein separators are on mdf dust
[14:50:39] <The_Ball> sure, but I'm trying to figure out the orientation of the axis, does +Z usually go toward the chuck or away from it?
[14:50:42] <_methods> but z- is on most machines moving toward the main spindle
[14:50:53] <The_Ball> I see, cheers
[14:51:10] <Tom_itx> the right padding is off too, it's just not as noticeable
[14:51:14] <_methods> if you only have 1 spindle z- would be moving towards the chuck
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[14:51:49] <Tom_itx> -z is removing material
[14:52:13] <Tom_itx> however you decide to look at it
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[14:53:22] <archivist> material comes out the chuck on a sliding head lathe :)
[14:53:44] <Tom_itx> or a barfeed
[14:54:13] <_methods> on a simple single spindle lathe z- is traditionally moving towards the chuck lol
[14:54:44] <The_Ball> I'm using my mill as a gang tooled lathe
[14:56:28] <_methods> yeah i would just treat it like a simple lathe then
[14:56:51] <_methods> z- is moving towards the chuck
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[15:00:42] <Tom_itx> <div id="content_middle" align="left" style="margin-right:201px;">
[15:00:52] <Tom_itx> increasing the margin would probably fix the webpage
[15:07:17] <CaptHindsight> but we're not web devs, we just machine stuff
[15:09:24] <archivist> I machine web pages too :)
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[15:19:38] <malcom2073> Hmm subtractive HTMLing...
[15:19:39] <malcom2073> heh
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[15:33:35] <Loetmichel> *HA* THATS a wa to start a new year. Steak, asparagus, potato coquettes and bechamel sauce for breakfeast. i LOVE my wife... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15484
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[15:47:55] <Sandblech_Micha> Hello and a happy new year in this round.. i am new on this irc chat. I have a question about the toolchange in linuxcnc.
[15:48:33] <jthornton> hi, we just ask the question here
[15:49:06] <Sandblech_Micha> Can i setup a fix position where the toolchange is happend?
[15:50:37] <jthornton> there is a tool change position in the ini file
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:EMCIO-Section
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[15:51:25] <Tom_itx> real heatwave moving thru today 24°F
[15:52:04] <jthornton> up to mid 30's here, much better than last nights 24
[15:52:29] <Tom_itx> been in the low teens most of the week here
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[15:53:12] <jthornton> I was motivated to light up the wood heater in the garage yesterday to augment the wood heater in the shop
[15:54:19] <Sandblech_Micha> ok. thank you. is there a "special" gcode needed to use the position from the EMCIO Section in the ini file or the normale "new tool"? And need i fill up the tooltabelle in linuxcnc?
[15:54:39] <Loetmichel> 30F over here
[15:55:00] <Loetmichel> but my shop is inside the flat ;)
[15:56:37] <jthornton> Sandblech_Micha, Tn M6 G43 is the normal tool change G code with Tn being the number of the tool
[15:57:29] <jthornton> and if the tool change position is in the ini file it will go to that location before prompting for tool change
[15:57:47] <Sandblech_Micha> ok thank you. I try it out...
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[21:12:50] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you there
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[21:15:41] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan:
http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/web/2014/12/3-D-Printed-Polymer-Devices.html
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[21:25:33] <zeeshan> very cool
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[21:42:28] <unfy> rawr.
[21:44:09] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:05:43] <mttr> any rhino 5 experts
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[22:25:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan yep
[22:25:55] <zeeshan> what is your website address
[22:25:57] <zeeshan> im trying to make one
[22:26:02] <zeeshan> trying to steal some of your ideas :)
[22:26:13] <Tom_itx> it's pretty old
[22:26:16] <Tom_itx> needs a facelift
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[22:26:37] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/index.php
[22:27:00] <Tom_itx> got too much crap on it now too
[22:27:47] <zeeshan> looks like you coded it by hand
[22:27:48] <zeeshan> haha
[22:28:15] <mrsun> anyone good at angles etc in cad? :P
[22:29:09] <mrsun> http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/Fuling06/10893749_10152947710183648_474193636_n.jpg in a structure like that .. the edges of the boards are chamfered to fit snuggly together .. (its made out of 4 flat sheets just bent into place) will the angle change over the height of the structure? =)
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[22:30:48] <zeeshan> yes.
[22:31:12] <zeeshan> that is cool looking
[22:31:12] <zeeshan> i like
[22:32:30] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im thinking of making my websit elike this
[22:32:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BrbNQE4.png
[22:32:31] <zeeshan> the front page
[22:32:33] <zeeshan> lol
[22:34:06] <mrsun> yes as in what ?
[22:34:09] <mrsun> will the angle change ?
[22:34:17] <zeeshan> mrsun: yea the angle should change for the layers
[22:34:29] <mrsun> there are no layers ... its only the corners :P
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[22:35:53] <PetefromTn_> I have built several things just like that in woodworking. They were oven hoods. We unfortunately seldom if ever made the corners a perfect angle due to the difficulty of getting it all to line up when you assemble it.
[22:36:53] <PetefromTn_> usually we would make a frame for two sides, apply the faces out of some flexible plywood and glue it down and then attach the sides and used a flush cut router bit to make the corner..
[22:36:57] <mrsun> but question is then .. how does one "calculate" the chamfer angle for the sides over the structure .. im in the works writing a script to automate the cad process of those things soon =)
[22:37:13] <mrsun> so i want to be able to estimate it and step it down with a ballnose cutter to get the angle just right =)
[22:37:38] <PetefromTn_> If it is just a 3d model form then the angles should be 45's all the way up barring any twist in the form.
[22:37:52] <PetefromTn_> and assuming the shape is square on all sides.
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[22:38:43] <mrsun> so the angle doesnt change in a structure like that then ?
[22:38:51] <PetefromTn_> also not sure what angle you are referring to, the corner joint angle or the faces angle or what?
[22:39:10] <mrsun> the corners are chamfered to be flush to eachother
[22:39:25] <mrsun> like you 45 degree chamfer box sides when you join em for example
[22:39:36] <mrsun> corner joint angle
[22:39:45] <mrsun> same on all pieces to fit together
[22:40:15] <PetefromTn_> from what I can tell of your description it SHOULD be the same on all corners at all levels from a horizontal perspective no?
[22:40:51] <PetefromTn_> but it would of course be a compound angle if you are making it in layers vertically..
[22:41:02] <mrsun> thats what im asking .. if it will be ... the corner joints on the sides that goes from bottom to top .. its a curved structure .. will the angle change in that joint =)
[22:41:12] <mrsun> its no layers .. its a single sheet
[22:41:23] <mrsun> each side is a single sheet .. kerfed and bent
[22:43:16] <PetefromTn_> well let me put it to you this way
[22:43:26] <PetefromTn_> take a piece of crown moulding for instance
[22:43:43] <PetefromTn_> the sides are curved especially in a cove crown
[22:43:47] <PetefromTn_> much in that manner
[22:43:57] <PetefromTn_> but when you make a corner of 90 degrees
[22:44:23] <PetefromTn_> you just cut it at 45 degrees but it is cut nested as it would be sitting in place
[22:44:27] <PetefromTn_> usually upside down...
[22:44:59] <PetefromTn_> the actual cut is JUST a 45 degree cut but the material is held in that shape while the cut happens..
[22:45:37] <PetefromTn_> if you are trying to cut material on the flat and then bend it into place on the form or whatever
[22:45:50] <PetefromTn_> I would think it is not just a simple 45 degree angle
[22:45:57] <mrsun> exactly =)
[22:46:24] <mrsun> so my thinking is, to script it .. and calculate the angle out of the curvature on the sides
[22:46:35] <mrsun> so then when it is bent .. the corners will join flush
[22:47:27] <mrsun> but problem is .. how to calculate the angle change :/
[22:47:32] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a complex equation..
[22:48:15] <PetefromTn_> I THINK solidworks could work to at least allow you to model the shape and then bend it flat which would give you what you want but I have no idea how to do that..
[22:49:00] <mrsun> but out of something like that one might be able to see a relation to curve vs angle .. and make an equation out from that =)
[22:50:05] <mrsun> not a bad idea actualy .. =)
[22:52:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah you would have to try it. I would think it would only work for a single slope angle of course and then you might do it with a couple different angles and determine the rate of change
[22:52:56] <_methods> as long as all your widths between kerfs are identical 45deg will work fine
[22:53:26] <mrsun> oh
[22:53:41] <mrsun> have to check that =)
[22:54:00] <mrsun> cause that would be realy nice if it would ... as 90 degrees bits are redily available =)
[22:54:01] <_methods> i would try to keep every kerf depth identical too
[22:55:17] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I have made things LIKE this many times and often had to trim it out with custom modling. never tried to CNC machine one tho...
[22:55:39] <_methods> yeah i'd make the design to allow for some trim
[22:55:57] <_methods> some way to cover gaps
[22:56:07] <_methods> are you "skinning" it with something?
[22:56:25] <PetefromTn_> most of the time we made them from bendiply and they were either painted or we put veneers on them.
[22:56:34] <mrsun> now we did it at 30 degrees so the inside (the important part) would meet up flush and a gap would be on the outside and using more filling glues
[22:56:38] <_methods> yeah i've always veneered stuff like that
[22:56:41] <PetefromTn_> this allowed for an almost non existent gap
[22:57:42] <PetefromTn_> not sure what his application is tho and he sounded like he wanted to be able to program a perfect fit on a CNC from flat stock...
[22:58:01] <mrsun> its loud speaker thingies
[22:58:04] <_methods> well 45 should work fine as long as every segment is identical
[22:58:35] <mrsun> _methods: are you realy sure as it is a compound angle each time ... and each kerf will have a slightly different "bend"
[22:59:11] <_methods> there are no "other" angles
[22:59:13] <_methods> it's a 90
[22:59:33] <mrsun> alrighty then =) i will test it out =)
[23:00:17] <_methods> if they're not identical though you'll get pushout or gaps at joints where they land different
[23:01:01] <mrsun> as the machine cuts them they should be as identical as i can get em
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[23:02:12] <_methods> you said you did it already with 30deg angle right?
[23:04:38] <mrsun> yes but im not the one gluing it up so i dont know how that ended up ... but that was just to make sure inside corners were flush
[23:04:57] <mrsun> as they are more important than outside conrners .. but with a huge gap glue contact isnt good :P
[23:05:42] <_methods> well you should have been able to look at the gap and seen that it was constant all the way down
[23:06:35] <mrsun> yeap ... im asking him for answers also =) just doing more research on the side =)
[23:08:28] <_methods> if the angles changed like you are unsure of you would have seen the gap change drastically throughout the joint
[23:08:36] <PetefromTn_> here's another way to look at it. Imagine you take a piece of soft foam about five inches wide by maybe six foot long, about the size of a piece of crown moulding. Then bend it and cut it at a 45 degree angle on a mitre box saw,,,, then release the bend.
[23:09:29] <_methods> good analogy
[23:10:59] <PetefromTn_> of course in reality if you tried this the blad would grab the soft foam and rip it out of your hands and shit would be flying around....LOL
[23:11:10] <_methods> hot wire
[23:11:32] <PetefromTn_> but it illustrates my point heh
[23:12:20] <_methods> yeah
[23:12:29] <mrsun> oo hotwire cutter .. i need to buildmyself one of those =)
[23:22:25] <Tom_itx> just make a surface profile of the corner and make a model from it
[23:22:58] <Tom_itx> you can drag a polyline until you're happy with it
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[23:26:54] <Tom_itx> digitize it with a tablet
[23:27:05] <Tom_itx> i guess they don't use those much anymore
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[23:42:36] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: not if you take the foam compressed block, fill it with water, freeze it.
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[23:55:05] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Do YOU have a freezer big enught to do enough blocks in a reasonable amount of time?
[23:55:39] <PetefromTn_> it was just an attempt to illustrate is all. not to be taken literally
[23:55:53] <SpeedEvil> Well- my freezer is 300L, an will go down to -50C
[23:56:06] <SpeedEvil> (If I stick the 'boost' button on and leave it for a week
[23:56:08] <Jymmm> There really is strctural foam bloacks. Used with concrete, very very cool.
[23:56:16] <XXCoder1> woot tuneup done on car
[23:56:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: You forgot to change the differencial oil =)
[23:56:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and tranny fluid
[23:56:46] <SpeedEvil> And the integral fluid.
[23:56:49] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:56:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and coolant
[23:56:59] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and the brake fluid
[23:57:00] <XXCoder1> coolant have to wait till I get water pump
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[23:57:23] <SpeedEvil> Arctangent plasma is often never properly serviced.
[23:57:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Oh, in that case, change out the timing/belt/chain at the same time
[23:57:38] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:57:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and adj the valves
[23:57:43] <SpeedEvil> Also - linuxCNC HAL is quite adequate to be an ECU
[23:57:55] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[23:57:55] <XXCoder1> SpeedEvil: nice techobabble. you sure you didnt graduate from starfleet?
[23:57:58] * SpeedEvil tries to think why that wouldn't work.
[23:58:12] <SpeedEvil> I think it probably would.
[23:58:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: primatively
[23:58:48] <SpeedEvil> Why?
[23:58:56] <SpeedEvil> 10us timing resolution is quite adequate
[23:59:11] <PetefromTn_> I want to go to Starfleet...LOL
[23:59:25] <Jymmm> If you just want timing, that's easy. Evan an arduino could do that
[23:59:47] <SpeedEvil> I mean to be the equivalent of a megasquirt - which is quite capable.
[23:59:56] <SpeedEvil> But still a 16 bit ~20MHz processor
