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[00:23:39] <mshaver> Has anyone reflashed their 5i25 to use it without a 7i76/7? I mean, make it look just like a parallel port pinout, but with hardware step pulse generation.
[00:24:28] <cradek> yep
[00:24:51] <mshaver> :) Good! How?
[00:24:57] <cradek> with the mesaflash utility
[00:25:19] <cradek> there are firmwares for step/dir and dir/step pinouts (you know how some have them one way and some have them the other) so be sure you check the pin file
[00:26:36] <mshaver> is this in the download on the mesa site, or in the "base"/all arches repository?
[00:28:17] <cradek> mesaflash is not yet in our apt repo. It oughta be, though, for 2.6. The packaging is all done, and even tested.
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[00:30:12] <cradek> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2014-04-19.html
[00:30:53] <cradek> actually more useful stuff here:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2014-04-20.html
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[03:02:31] <witnit> hello
[03:02:37] <XXCoder> hey
[03:03:03] <witnit> How do I know which .bit file I should be using?
[03:03:15] <witnit> I was using the just DIO, then tried sv12
[03:03:31] <XXCoder> chts been quiet for while but hopeully someone can help
[03:03:35] <witnit> one of course I could not use my servo card with,
[03:03:47] <witnit> theother was giving options for 12 servo
[03:04:15] <witnit> I need something that does 4 servo with a 7i33 and the other towo 5opin connectors just DIO
[03:04:29] <witnit> two 50 pin*
[03:05:02] <witnit> yeah, maybe pcw will turn up
[03:10:02] <skunkworks_> that is a pretty normal setup...
[03:10:15] <skunkworks_> let me see if I have my configs somewhere
[03:11:14] <witnit_> thanks!
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[03:15:29] <pcw_home> SV12 or SVST8_4 should work equally well for a 4 axis servo system (the 7I33 should be on the first connector)
[03:15:54] <skunkworks_> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=3 num_stepgens=0"
[03:16:00] <skunkworks_> heh
[03:16:11] <witnit_> ty!
[03:16:41] <pcw_home> turn off the unused stuff and it will revert to GPIO
[03:18:45] <witnit_> so even if I used sv12 it will only use a portion
[03:19:11] <witnit_> I tried setting the other pins to outputs and it says they did not exist
[03:20:26] <pcw_home> if you specify 4 pwmgens only pwmgen 0 through 3 will be enabled
[03:20:37] <witnit_> k
[03:20:58] <pcw_home> if you dont specify pwmgens at all, they will all be enabled
[03:21:14] <witnit_> ahhhhh
[03:21:17] <witnit_> thats what I did then
[03:21:20] <pcw_home> (which is probably a mistake but too late to change)
[03:21:36] <witnit_> so close yet so far
[03:22:58] <pcw_home> The actual hardware can enable features on a pin by pin basis but the
[03:23:00] <pcw_home> driver adopts a simpler model to keep the config string manageable
[03:26:25] <pcw_home> CONFIG="num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0"
[03:26:27] <pcw_home> would be appropriate if you want all 4 7I33 axis enabled
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[03:30:09] <witnit_> I think I understand
[03:30:20] <witnit_> the machine is at the shop, I will test tomorrow
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[03:46:02] <tjtr33> a machinekit get-together was announced on the MachineKit mail list
[03:46:05] <tjtr33> We are pleased to invite anyone interested to the first "real world"
[03:46:05] <tjtr33> Machinekit meeting, taking place on June 28/29 at the Tormach facility
[03:46:05] <tjtr33> in Madison, Wisconsin (USA).
[03:46:19] <tjtr33> fyi
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[11:43:54] <jthornton> morning
[11:45:02] <Jymmmm> ug
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[11:46:18] <malcom2073> Wow, pyvcp is kinda cool
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[11:52:26] <jthornton> aye
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[11:53:17] <skunkworks_> it is kinda cool...
[11:53:59] <jthornton> and pretty easy to set up
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[11:59:57] <Tom_itx> like putting a dress on a pig
[12:01:00] <malcom2073> If you're hungry for bacon....
[12:01:00] <malcom2073> :P
[12:01:36] <malcom2073> But yeah I'm sure there's a better way to do this (it's very 90's feeling), but until I find it this does quite well for what I need
[12:20:18] <jdh> I have this cheap function generator I wanted to test a stpper with so I plugged in a random wall-wart... turns it it is the only one I have with + on the outside
[12:21:00] <Jymmm> POOF ?
[12:21:55] <jdh> yeah
[12:22:00] <jdh> not sure what popped though
[12:22:09] <Jymmm> sorry man, that sucks.
[12:22:12] <archivist_herron> the protection dioedsm if fitted save your ass
[12:22:19] <archivist_herron> diodes
[12:22:39] <jdh> I would have paid at least $0.10 more for some diodes
[12:22:47] <Jymmm> If it had protection diodes, how difficult would it have been to just make a full bridge
[12:22:59] <jdh> that would have been the thing to do
[12:23:01] <archivist_herron> some do have a bridge
[12:23:20] <Tom_itx> most only have half bridge at best
[12:23:45] <Jymmm> what purose would a half bridge serve?
[12:23:46] <jdh> heh... it blew the bottom out of an electrolytic
[12:23:49] <Tom_itx> cost
[12:24:00] <jdh> woudl just not work instead of frying
[12:24:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: but for what purpose?
[12:24:20] <Tom_itx> to get halfway across the river and fall in
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[12:24:43] <archivist_herron> half allows an AC input
[12:24:48] <Tom_itx> it's halfwave rectified
[12:25:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Uh the full bridge is so polarity wouldn't matter, what purpose wiuld a hald bridge serve that no bridge at all couldn't do?
[12:25:14] <archivist_herron> half allows an AC input
[12:25:15] <jdh> I'm surrounded by hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment but I bet there is no 220uF cap to be found.
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[12:25:41] <Tom_itx> pull one off an old MB
[12:25:59] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: Right, but were talking a DC walwart with reverse polarity
[12:26:37] <archivist_herron> with reverse there would be no current and no bang
[12:26:44] <jdh> this device shoudl work with anything you plug in to it.
[12:26:59] <jdh> it would cost $0.25 to work with either polarity or ac
[12:28:14] <Jymmm> Heh, and I have a brand new function generator for sale too
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[12:31:03] <Valen> 1 diode across the rails is often a cheap way of doing "protection"
[12:31:11] <Valen> IE a dead short in the case of RP
[12:33:12] <jdh> it was a 220uF, 16v about 1cm tall. I found a 200uF, 16v about 5cm tall
[12:33:41] <Jymmm> jdh: Got Glue Gun ?
[12:34:11] <jdh> I probably have a better fit at home. Oh well.
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[13:15:10] <malcom2073> How can I make a pyvcp button (which is a pin that is momentarly 1 when you press it) set a pid.commanded to a preset value? I want one button to set it to 0, and one to set it to say, 50. If I tie the button directly to the value, it only sets it for a moment
[13:16:36] <malcom2073> Is it possible to have functions inside the hal file? if the pin could call a function, the function coudl set it....
[13:17:42] <cradek> maybe you can use button -> toggle -> mux2
[13:18:57] <malcom2073> toggle and mux2 look like what I needed, I'll try that, thanks! :)
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[13:19:49] <h_maximilian> Hello
[13:20:12] <h_maximilian> I am planning on installing a gantry machine with two x axes
[13:20:29] <h_maximilian> is 2.6 better suited in that regard, or shall I stay with 2.5 ?
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[13:50:50] <malcom2073> Eh, wound up using radio buttons. A single on/off button woudl've worked, but I couldn't figure out the logic and I really wanted two buttons. This will allow me to hook up a bigger mux for more settings later as well
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[14:24:30] <Tom_itx> malcom2073 use a toggle component or something
[14:24:59] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: I want a hit-and-hold rather than a toggle
[14:25:09] <malcom2073> erm
[14:25:24] <malcom2073> I don't understand the logic system in HAL enough to have one button turn one toggle on, and a second turn the same toggle off
[14:25:30] <malcom2073> while turning its own on
[14:25:39] <Tom_itx> what ever logic condition you're after i'm rather sure there is a component to do it
[14:26:13] <malcom2073> I'm sure there is, but I can't find it, so I used radio buttons instead :)
[14:26:27] <malcom2073> Priorities, I'll tinker with it later if I want it that bad
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[15:15:52] <ssi> peeet
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[15:19:24] <PetefromTn_> morning folks.
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[15:37:43] <CaptHindsight> what's the best way to change linuxcnc repos say from precise v2.5_branch-rt to precise 2.6-rt?
[15:38:44] <CaptHindsight> apt-get remove --purge linuxcnc then modify the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc-buildbot.list ?
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[15:53:02] <PetefromTn_> Anyone want to see my latest creations in a customers photo?
[15:53:10] <jthornton> yep
[15:53:33] <PetefromTn_> http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1402458676/P800AZ+almost+complete+%28pics%29
[15:54:11] <jthornton> very nice
[15:54:12] <PetefromTn_> I machined that custom sidewheel with removable hub mount for the March sidewheels scope and also the custom matching riser mount that the scope sits on.
[15:54:47] <jthornton> what material did you use?
[15:54:49] <PetefromTn_> Thanks... it was nice to make something cool.
[15:54:55] <PetefromTn_> it's all 6061
[15:55:50] <PetefromTn_> That is some kinda badass no holds barred FT rifle. You don't want to know how much that whole rig costs LOL...
[15:55:55] <jthornton> that's typically what I use but like to use 7075 when they will pay for it
[15:56:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I do too but for these parts it is not necessary.
[15:56:20] <PetefromTn_> There is ZERO recoil on these guns.
[15:56:45] <PetefromTn_> Probably the most satisfying shooting experience you can have.
[15:57:07] <PetefromTn_> Just a pull the UNBELIEVABLE match trigger
[15:57:15] <PetefromTn_> hear a very small click sound.
[15:57:23] <PetefromTn_> and there is a hole in the bullseye.
[15:57:43] <zeeshan> are milltronics vmcs any good
[15:57:51] <zeeshan> vm30 specifically
[15:57:53] <PetefromTn_> Accurate to 1/2 inch or better at 50 yards.
[15:58:47] <PetefromTn_> I almost bought a milltronics so I would say yes based on what I learned of them.
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[15:59:07] <jdh> hey pete
[15:59:12] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/windsor-area-on/cnc-mill/601630347?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[15:59:13] <zeeshan> that thing pete
[15:59:16] <PetefromTn_> US company with good support.
[15:59:20] <PetefromTn_> Hey JDH
[15:59:32] <zeeshan> i dont know if i can fit it in my garage
[15:59:33] <jdh> Guess where I'm going tomorrow
[15:59:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is almost the exact machine I was going to buy.
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[15:59:56] <PetefromTn_> jdh Oh lemme guess....FLORIDA???
[15:59:57] <zeeshan> its 220v 3 phase
[16:00:04] <jdh> good guess
[16:00:06] <zeeshan> all it prolly needs is vfd
[16:00:20] <PetefromTn_> One of the main reasons I wanted it was because I thought it would fit under my shop door.
[16:00:30] <PetefromTn_> sure...
[16:00:32] <zeeshan> if the knee is at minimum position
[16:00:35] <zeeshan> er
[16:00:37] <zeeshan> column
[16:00:41] <zeeshan> do you think its under 7 feet?
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[16:01:08] <PetefromTn_> jdh Damn man I have someone who is interested in my house moving here from Arizona hopefully..
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[16:01:41] <PetefromTn_> I do not know but I figured I would make it fit somehow. I think it does go down quite low tho. The one I was looking at was a partner 2 I think it was called.
[16:01:46] <PetefromTn_> Looks the same as that one.
[16:01:52] <PetefromTn_> The enclosure is fiberglass.
[16:01:53] <zeeshan> bah
[16:01:55] <zeeshan> i dont think it will fit
[16:01:55] <zeeshan> :{
[16:02:09] <PetefromTn_> I think it will you might be surprised.
[16:02:10] <zeeshan> its 4k
[16:02:22] <zeeshan> i offered
[16:02:33] <PetefromTn_> Damn that has some nice travels....
[16:02:37] <zeeshan> the person is in a rush to move it
[16:02:44] <PetefromTn_> 40x28!!
[16:02:49] <PetefromTn_> Go get the damn thing..
[16:02:58] <PetefromTn_> Does it work okay?
[16:02:58] <zeeshan> i want to but it wont fit
[16:02:59] <zeeshan> yes
[16:03:02] <zeeshan> in running condition
[16:03:04] <PetefromTn_> Make it fit.
[16:03:06] <zeeshan> theyre only changing it cause they got a 5 axis
[16:03:13] <PetefromTn_> STEAL..
[16:03:55] <PetefromTn_> Ya going diving again man?
[16:04:40] <jdh> yep. caving in High Springs, ocean in Pompano
[16:05:15] <PetefromTn_> I like Pompano.
[16:05:22] <PetefromTn_> Been there many times.
[16:05:59] <jdh> rented a house in deerfield beach for a week
[16:06:14] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan the nice thing about those machines is they are already a PC based control so if you have any problems you can probably just switch to LinuxCNC.
[16:06:22] <zeeshan> ah
[16:06:24] <PetefromTn_> Nice..
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[16:06:50] <PetefromTn_> I am building my custom Field Target rifle right now in the shop in my spare time.
[16:06:59] <zeeshan> just got email
[16:07:06] <PetefromTn_> I got a nice RWS54 action to build off of.
[16:07:12] <zeeshan> 9 ft x 8'-6" x 9 ft high
[16:07:16] <zeeshan> definitely not gonna fit lol
[16:07:20] <zeeshan> my ceiling is 7'7"
[16:07:22] <PetefromTn_> I also got some nice Laminate stock blanks.
[16:07:38] <PetefromTn_> 9 foot I am sure is the max height right?
[16:07:42] <zeeshan> yes
[16:07:51] <zeeshan> 8 feet is half my garage
[16:07:59] <PetefromTn_> I think it will fit. My Cincinatti ALMOST fit under my door.
[16:08:00] <zeeshan> lol i cant fit it
[16:08:07] <zeeshan> without moving car out, and thats not happening :P
[16:08:17] <PetefromTn_> gotta have priorities man.
[16:08:22] <zeeshan> car is priority
[16:08:28] <zeeshan> its worth more than all my machines combined
[16:08:29] <zeeshan> haha
[16:08:29] <PetefromTn_> for you maybe.
[16:08:46] <zeeshan> shes a beauty queen
[16:08:50] <PetefromTn_> build another garage, get machine, build wicked car. be happy.
[16:09:05] <zeeshan> i already have a wicked car
[16:09:05] <zeeshan> :D
[16:09:15] <zeeshan> no space or money for another garage
[16:09:22] <zeeshan> bridgeport conversion it is!
[16:09:36] <PetefromTn_> I have seen wicked RX7's here man... I know wicked.
[16:09:44] <zeeshan> twin turbo v8
[16:09:46] <zeeshan> 800 whp
[16:09:47] <PetefromTn_> Sell bridgeport, buy VMC. be happy.
[16:09:48] <zeeshan> is more than plenty
[16:09:51] <zeeshan> and wicked!
[16:10:04] <zeeshan> it'd rape most rotary engines when its running
[16:10:22] <PetefromTn_> sacriledge..
[16:10:47] <zeeshan> best part is
[16:10:50] <zeeshan> it was all built at home
[16:11:02] <zeeshan> from body work to paint to fab
[16:11:07] <zeeshan> pain staking body work :{
[16:11:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: buy me a new garage
[16:11:27] <zeeshan> with a 20 foot heigh ceiling
[16:11:31] <jdh> move
[16:11:33] <PetefromTn_> I can't even buy ME a new garage man...
[16:11:43] <jdh> isn't Hamilton cheap
[16:11:50] <PetefromTn_> But I will sell you this house if you want LOL....
[16:11:54] <zeeshan> hamilton ghetto is cheap
[16:12:01] <zeeshan> im in outskirts
[16:12:06] <zeeshan> ancaster area
[16:12:19] <PetefromTn_> PA?
[16:12:41] <zeeshan> my dad has a property thats 1 hour away
[16:12:47] <zeeshan> he's always entertained the idea of building a shop there
[16:12:52] <zeeshan> its a 2 acre lot with bushes
[16:13:16] <zeeshan> but there's no water service, no hydro running to the property
[16:13:20] <zeeshan> just doing those 2 things is like 10k
[16:13:24] <CaptHindsight> I'd keep the manual Bridgeport manual
[16:13:32] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: never
[16:13:39] <zeeshan> i've seen bridgeports converted
[16:13:49] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you'be happier with a small VMC
[16:13:50] <zeeshan> infact the first time i saw one was at magnusmotorsports.com when i used to work there like 12 years ago
[16:14:03] <PetefromTn_> Agreed....lose bridgeport buy VMC...
[16:14:06] <zeeshan> the main problem is it's r8
[16:14:16] <PetefromTn_> Or keep bridgeport and add DRO, buy VMC...
[16:14:19] <zeeshan> if its converted to iso30 or 40
[16:14:29] <zeeshan> it works great
[16:14:53] <zeeshan> why do you guys think bridgeport cnc is poop compared to vmc?
[16:15:02] <ssi> PetefromTn_: you ever see the rifle I built?
[16:15:12] <PetefromTn_> Nope...
[16:15:26] <PetefromTn_> did you see the rifle I just worked on?
[16:15:53] <ssi> this one?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1402458676/P800AZ+almost+complete+%28pics%29
[16:15:53] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: well for small parts and if you don't mind the tool changes it's fine
[16:16:04] <zeeshan> small parts?
[16:16:14] <PetefromTn_> yup..
[16:16:16] <zeeshan> the other day i was machining a 12" long part
[16:16:19] <ssi> yea that's pretty crazy
[16:16:20] <zeeshan> 8 wide
[16:16:21] <CaptHindsight> but you just can't beat having a much more rigid structure and spindle
[16:16:23] <zeeshan> 6" tall
[16:16:39] <zeeshan> thats more than plenty for my application
[16:16:42] <PetefromTn_> No comparison between a bridgie and a VMC....
[16:16:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: plz give constructive feedback
[16:17:08] <PetefromTn_> I thought I was..
[16:17:11] <zeeshan> you're not
[16:17:21] <zeeshan> you've just been saying one is better than the other
[16:17:23] <zeeshan> without saying why
[16:17:29] <zeeshan> that's destructive feedback
[16:17:32] <CaptHindsight> i know someone that makes tiny parts 1cm^3 on a cnc bridgeport, but he's 80 and working in his garage
[16:17:34] <zeeshan> has no merit
[16:17:44] <PetefromTn_> I have run both many times and if I had to choose one there is no question which one that would be.
[16:17:49] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i work in my garage, and this is my hobby
[16:17:53] <zeeshan> i don't run a production shop
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[16:18:05] <zeeshan> so speed is not a big deal to me
[16:18:08] <PetefromTn_> then why are you looking at VMC's?
[16:18:16] <zeeshan> because, they all come with ATC
[16:18:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah, why a VMC then?
[16:18:28] <zeeshan> and i dont have to do an ATC conversion or spindle conversion
[16:18:34] <zeeshan> thats the only reason
[16:18:37] <CaptHindsight> you can't fit a VMC in a garage
[16:19:43] <PetefromTn_> Lemme see, full flood coolant enclosure, tool changer, Cat tooling, rigid tapping, much heavier beefier frame, excellent accuracy and repeatability. Need I go on...
[16:19:48] <jdh> I'm thinking about returning my 9x20 to stock manual and buying a 10x22
[16:20:00] <CaptHindsight> the best garage so far was that guy that had the bike parts factory in his garage near San Diego
[16:20:01] <ssi> jdh: what part of the world are you in?
[16:20:05] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I fit a VMC in my garage...
[16:20:09] <jdh> ssi: .nc.us
[16:20:15] <CaptHindsight> he used to be in here often
[16:20:19] <ssi> you want to buy a converted 10x22?
[16:20:25] <jdh> heh... how much?
[16:20:33] <jdh> where are you?
[16:20:34] <ssi> how much you got? :D
[16:20:35] <ssi> atlanta
[16:20:46] <jdh> I have $714.45
[16:20:49] <ssi> haha
[16:20:50] <PetefromTn_> ssi Are you gonna show me your rifle or what?
[16:20:54] <ssi> PetefromTn_: MAYBE
[16:21:11] <jdh> what kind of conversion?
[16:21:13] <ssi> although it looks unimpressive next to yours :)
[16:21:20] <PetefromTn_> Okay fine then I am good without it LOL
[16:21:29] <zeeshan> i can build an enclosure for my work space, i can convert to iso30/40 and build a rack type tool changer, i can rigid tap by indexing the spindle, heavier beefier frame just means you need to be careful on your programming on how you rough cut and finish cut, accuracy and repeatability is dependent on ball screw which is easy to mitigate
[16:21:31] <PetefromTn_> I wish it was mine LOL...
[16:21:44] <zeeshan> so really the only thing that you've said that a vmc is better in
[16:21:57] <zeeshan> is speed (cause you dont have to slow down your machine to compensate for rigidity)
[16:22:01] <zeeshan> and the fact it has ATC
[16:22:09] <zeeshan> and one thing you didnt mention is capacity
[16:22:13] <zeeshan> the Z capacity is a lot more on vmc
[16:22:15] <ssi> jdh: g0602, 3ph w/vfd, mesa 7i43, external keling drives, spindle encoder, ballscrews, bunch of tooling
[16:22:22] <ssi> jdh: I'll take some pics in a bit
[16:22:26] <ssi> been thinking about selling it
[16:22:28] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: VMC's are more impressive on date that you bring back to your garage
[16:22:37] <CaptHindsight> date/dates
[16:22:46] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[16:22:52] <jdh> ssi: ok, $1200. I can pick it up the 21st
[16:23:11] <PetefromTn_> I thought you run and learn on VMC's all the time man... I do not understand why you need me to explain the differences to you.
[16:23:19] <CaptHindsight> but that's only applies if you're single
[16:23:25] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: because i know the benefits of a vmc
[16:23:29] <PetefromTn_> There is nothing wrong with a Bridgeport they are fine machines.
[16:23:39] <zeeshan> and they're all point towards product production production
[16:23:41] <CaptHindsight> I have both
[16:23:45] <zeeshan> where cycle time is everything
[16:23:57] <PetefromTn_> not necessarily... Many people have them and never make ANY production runs.
[16:24:01] <zeeshan> so when you say VMC's are better than bridgeport in that perspective
[16:24:06] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151322327733 This is local. I assume he would take less
[16:24:11] <zeeshan> then i have to agree
[16:24:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: most of those guys don't know how to convert their own machine
[16:24:54] <zeeshan> and they probably have the space!
[16:25:01] <zeeshan> a bridgeport converted vs a tormach
[16:25:12] <zeeshan> a bridgeport w/ iso30 would put a tormach to shame
[16:25:21] <PetefromTn_> Let me put it another way. When I worked in the shop there for my friends I had access to both kinda machines. When I had a simple one off job to do I would STILL use the VMC even if there was an open CNC knee mill available.
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[16:25:39] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: again
[16:25:41] <zeeshan> thats perference
[16:25:58] <ssi> PetefromTn_: having trouble finding decent pics, but here's a start:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ak3jao3CEAAmLnp.jpg
[16:26:07] <zeeshan> thank you for your feedback guys :P
[16:26:44] <PetefromTn_> Is that a savage .308 or something?
[16:26:48] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: when I get a free few days I'll write the white paper :)
[16:26:51] <ssi> it's a rem 700
[16:26:53] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: haha
[16:27:07] <PetefromTn_> nice..
[16:27:12] <ssi> started life as a 270, I recut the receiver square and threaded it oversized, cut a blank barrel and chambered it 30-06
[16:27:16] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/399878_775108450002_1069079313_n.jpg
[16:27:35] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: find me a machine that takes 5feet x 6 feet x 7' footprint
[16:27:49] <ssi> threaded the muzzle for suppressor mount
[16:27:50] <ssi> https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/401219_780178599382_778457399_n.jpg
[16:28:02] <PetefromTn_> not even a bridgeport will fit in that footprint.
[16:28:03] <CaptHindsight> LWH, HWL, WHL ?
[16:28:04] <ssi> inletted the stock and cut it for detachable box mag bottom metal
[16:28:13] <zeeshan> that has more working capacity and rigidity than a bridgeport
[16:28:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you havent seen my pics?!?!
[16:28:31] <ssi> turned a custom bolt handle on the g0602 :P
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[16:28:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/b8c9QUv.jpg
[16:28:41] <PetefromTn_> nice work man...
[16:28:44] <zeeshan> look at how much room i have
[16:28:46] <zeeshan> behind the bridgeport
[16:28:51] <zeeshan> so i can kee pmy toolboxes, there
[16:29:01] <ssi> I have everything I need to build another one in 300blk, but I lost motivates :)
[16:29:04] <ssi> I'm bad about that
[16:29:04] <zeeshan> to make an eclosure i'd just attach one to the table
[16:29:31] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan It sounds like you have your mind set so make it so man!!
[16:29:39] <zeeshan> i dont have my mind set
[16:29:52] <PetefromTn_> ssi Believe me I know how you feel.
[16:29:55] <zeeshan> i just haven't seen any good reasons why giving up half my garage space
[16:30:01] <zeeshan> is worth it :P
[16:30:01] <PetefromTn_> I have three rifles to build now...
[16:30:17] <CaptHindsight> I mounted the disconnect and power ON/OFF on the back of my Bridgeport, so i can't do that unless I cut a hols in the wall behind it
[16:30:18] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/vnJGcLX.jpg
[16:30:20] <zeeshan> when i look at this
[16:30:32] <zeeshan> i envision a box that attaches to the table
[16:30:36] <zeeshan> and moves with the table
[16:30:41] <zeeshan> so it takes even less room
[16:30:58] <zeeshan> and the wall behind it would have the controller
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[16:31:14] <PetefromTn_> I think you would be surprised at how little more actual room that machine will take up and once it is there how much more stuff you find yourself doing on it.
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[16:31:54] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0oG18z6-20
[16:31:56] <zeeshan> i followed this guys build
[16:31:57] <CaptHindsight> looks like a nice bandsaw
[16:31:59] <PetefromTn_> My machine takes up quite a bit of my shop space but now that it is here and working I would not have it any other way.
[16:32:04] <zeeshan> its what got me convinced on doing a bridgeport
[16:32:12] <zeeshan> i just need to figure out the best way to to implement atc
[16:32:35] <zeeshan> http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/lFoKfEz1XRM/maxresdefault.jpg
[16:32:40] <zeeshan> i like this tool rack idea
[16:32:57] <zeeshan> or building something away from the table
[16:33:43] <PetefromTn_> I guess you just gotta ask yourself what is important to you. Do you want to spend your free time BUILDING a nice enclosure and toolchanger power drawbar etc etc etc or do you want to spend your free time building cool parts for your hobbies etc..
[16:34:00] <zeeshan> it'd prolly take 4 months to do it
[16:34:11] <zeeshan> and since its a hobby, i think it might be worth it
[16:34:11] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I need to sell all my machines
[16:34:14] <PetefromTn_> I'd say double or triple that...
[16:34:17] <zeeshan> to save $ and shop space
[16:34:20] <ssi> PetefromTn_: trying to move to san francisco in the next year or so
[16:34:27] <zeeshan> well the lathe's taken about 3 months
[16:34:36] <zeeshan> and that was mostly waiting on parts and not knowing what i was doing
[16:34:43] <zeeshan> i think i can do it faster on the mill
[16:35:28] <PetefromTn_> THen I wish you the best of luck with it man. It is your decision, you just asked for opinions.. You have to be happy with it not me.
[16:35:37] <zeeshan> yes :P
[16:35:52] <PetefromTn_> ssi Oh really... I used to live in Sacto.
[16:36:00] <zeeshan> the bridgeport head moves about 0.0005" with 100lb pull force
[16:36:14] <zeeshan> vertically down
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[16:37:21] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yea I gotta get the hell out of atlanta, and I have friends in SF
[16:37:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: make anything nice on vmc? :p
[16:37:32] <ssi> plus turner has two subsidiaries out there that I'm trying to get transfered to
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[16:39:34] <PetefromTn_> ssi Nice...
[16:39:47] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Did you not see the rifle I just posted?
[16:39:55] <zeeshan> i did but you posted that before :D
[16:40:01] <zeeshan> i was wondering any new parts ;p
[16:40:10] <zeeshan> you were making that column type thing
[16:40:13] <PetefromTn_> no I just made those parts this past week.
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[16:40:33] <PetefromTn_> Shipped them out and he got them two days ago LOL
[16:40:38] <zeeshan> haha nice
[16:40:46] <PetefromTn_> what column type thing?
[16:40:47] <zeeshan> amercian shipping amazes me :D
[16:40:53] <zeeshan> i dont know it was like a long piece
[16:40:55] <zeeshan> with cross bracing
[16:41:10] <PetefromTn_> that was another one of these scope rail risers...
[16:41:15] <zeeshan> oh
[16:41:18] <PetefromTn_> There are now three different versions.
[16:41:32] <PetefromTn_> You can see it under that awesome scope in the photos.
[16:41:55] <PetefromTn_> That particular rifle has two different versions with different mounting options on it.
[16:42:02] <PetefromTn_> I made a similar rail for all three.
[16:42:08] <PetefromTn_> So far sold several of them.
[16:42:37] <PetefromTn_> This last one has a narrower base where it mates with the rifle because the rail mount is shorter on the new version so I changed it to fit.
[16:43:03] <PetefromTn_> It is also only 7/8 wide where the first ones I posted were 1" wide or so.
[16:43:12] <PetefromTn_> They do look very similar tho.
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[16:43:29] <zeeshan> nice :D
[16:43:49] <PetefromTn_> I am currently working on a replacement drop in trigger setup for the rifle I currently am building for myself. Once i get it machined I plan to sell them.
[16:44:15] <PetefromTn_> Should make a mediocre trigger into a stellar one LOL.
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[16:47:04] <zeeshan> you should setup a webstore
[16:47:14] <PetefromTn_> I would if I knew how LOL.
[16:47:31] <jdh> triggers on Etsy!
[16:47:31] <PetefromTn_> I have a lot of pictures of custom parts I have machined over the years..
[16:47:46] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[16:47:55] <PetefromTn_> what is Etsy?
[16:48:12] <jdh> https://www.etsy.com/
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[16:48:12] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:49:23] <PetefromTn_> huh.. never heard of it.
[16:49:39] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a simple website tho for my parts I sell.
[16:49:57] <ssi> etsy would probably throw you out for selling gun parts :P
[16:50:14] <PetefromTn_> I have a lot of customers over the years that only found me via pictures on the web and word of mouth.
[16:50:25] <PetefromTn_> then screw em...LOL
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[16:50:45] <IchGuckLive> ssi: you got the gantry homing ?
[16:51:38] <PetefromTn_> Well guys I gotta get to work here supposed to meet with a customer this afternoon. Cya later.
[16:51:49] <IchGuckLive> O.o
[16:52:04] <IchGuckLive> customer this afternoon means lot of fun
[16:52:25] <PetefromTn_> hopefully it will mean more CNC parts and more money LOL...
[16:52:51] <IchGuckLive> as i said fun is comming
[16:54:21] <PetefromTn_> crossing fingers ;)
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[16:55:05] <IchGuckLive> h_maximilian: still online ?
[16:55:16] <h_maximilian> yes
[16:55:19] <h_maximilian> hey
[16:55:24] <IchGuckLive> I am planning on installing a gantry machine with two x axes
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[16:55:39] <h_maximilian> I am just looking at homing.c and having oh sooo much fun :(
[16:55:42] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.3 is ok on most systems
[16:55:58] <h_maximilian> yes, I have a machine with two x axis
[16:56:00] <IchGuckLive> is it a servo
[16:56:04] <h_maximilian> yes
[16:56:06] <h_maximilian> servo
[16:56:10] <IchGuckLive> ok
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[16:56:26] <h_maximilian> I was planning to write some custom hal
[16:56:47] <h_maximilian> and move the second axis just along with first one when homing
[16:56:50] <h_maximilian> and vice versa
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[16:57:20] <h_maximilian> have you already done the gantry setup
[16:57:34] <h_maximilian> or are you still planning and preparing ?
[16:58:09] <IchGuckLive> i got about 10 plasmas on gantry X axis
[16:58:32] <h_maximilian> and are you using gantrykins or something else ?
[16:59:52] <IchGuckLive> i only use stepeprs and high gearing on rack and pinion with mesa i never got that problem with homing as it runs with no steplos and the frame is fixed so no bent allowed
[17:00:00] <IchGuckLive> i run only trivskins
[17:00:31] <h_maximilian> problem here is that I can actually rack the gantry by hand
[17:01:01] <h_maximilian> and the operators sometimes do so as well to "move" it out of the way when handling material
[17:01:21] <h_maximilian> so I must take care of homing ...
[17:01:47] <SpeedEvil> IR fence and auto home?
[17:02:15] <IchGuckLive> ok on my 30:1 you dont move nothing at YZ wight of 800+lbs
[17:02:22] <kfoltman> etsy? tindie?
[17:02:30] <kfoltman> I think etsy is only for hand-made parts
[17:02:35] <h_maximilian> no, no IR fence
[17:02:48] <h_maximilian> and there is no auto home on the amps either
[17:02:59] <h_maximilian> Must do it in software
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[17:03:27] <h_maximilian> my plan is to put an egde detecting in hal for axis.N.homing
[17:03:41] <h_maximilian> then disconnect the other axis home switch
[17:04:27] <h_maximilian> and feed the save difference between the cmd-pos from the moment the homing started and the current cmd-pos to the other axis
[17:04:43] <h_maximilian> so that it moves along
[17:04:48] <IchGuckLive> I think the dual gantry homming should be like this:
[17:04:50] <IchGuckLive> -Start motors toward home switch with speed 1
[17:04:51] <IchGuckLive> -when switch is hit stop the motor
[17:04:53] <IchGuckLive> -WAIT to both motors hit the home switch
[17:04:54] <IchGuckLive> -go in other direction to release home switch with speed 2
[17:06:54] <h_maximilian> and with linuxcnc what do I do to stop the first axis that has hit the home switch while the second is still moving
[17:06:55] <h_maximilian> ?
[17:07:49] <h_maximilian> because the motion controler will be most unhappy if I pull the axis out under him and stop movement through some hal hack
[17:08:13] <IchGuckLive> in hal you cansetup logic if not homed step signal divideed
[17:08:46] <h_maximilian> home switches might be on slightly positions and the gantry might be a bit racked when homing
[17:08:56] <h_maximilian> have servos, not steppers
[17:09:11] <IchGuckLive> thats the main concern here
[17:09:15] <h_maximilian> and a closed loop with encoders
[17:10:05] <IchGuckLive> on my first XYUVB that is also XYB it has been easy as i traged the emc.var from the vhoming on the 5th axes
[17:10:50] <h_maximilian> U is the second X and V is your second Y ?
[17:10:59] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:11:07] <h_maximilian> B is around Y ?
[17:11:30] <IchGuckLive> i used a 5axis on main homing and then switched to the standard that has been a workaround
[17:11:41] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:12:03] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_ndXDZ0DU h_maximilian
[17:12:07] <h_maximilian> hmmm, I still can see no other way than the one I was describing before for a closed loop system
[17:13:10] <h_maximilian> video is loading slowly here ..... slow connection
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[17:32:00] <ssi> IchGuckLive: no, not yet
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[17:32:20] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I think my hurdle right now is the fact that I only have one available input for ALL limits/homes
[17:32:42] <ssi> IchGuckLive: and I think for homing both sides of the gantry, they will have to home simultaneously, which means having at least two home inputs
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[17:36:17] <IchGuckLive> thats the first thing to meet
[17:36:33] <IchGuckLive> ssi: you are not alone as maxim is also on
[17:37:42] <IchGuckLive> you need also to have 2 axes in your ini and hal joint togethere by the pos cmd and only one gets feedback
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[17:39:20] <ssi> my limitation currently is that I'm running a G540 on a 5i25, and the candcnc LCTHC, which consumes the G540's IO, and it only provides one input for limits
[17:39:28] <ssi> the other inputs are taken up by arc ok, thc up/down
[17:39:29] <ssi> etc
[17:39:59] <ssi> I have two options; one is get an adapter for the second port on the 5i25 and get a daughterboard for it,
[17:40:10] <ssi> the other is to use a 7i43 plus breakout, which I'm pretty sure I have on hand
[17:40:30] <ssi> I'm leaning toward the latter because it means not waiting on parts, but I've never run two mesa cards in one system before
[17:40:48] <ssi> I guess I could also use a regular parport breakout and just use the existing parport for limits
[17:40:59] <ssi> since the g540 is on the mesa, not on a parport
[17:41:22] <ssi> my kingdom for ONE MORE input :
[17:41:24] <ssi> :(
[17:42:14] <IchGuckLive> ssi: thats my main problem always on plasma parport and thc
[17:42:20] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:42:55] <ssi> I could switch to a 7i77 and external drives, or even 7i77 with the g540 hand-wired
[17:43:05] <ssi> er, 7i76 rather
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[17:43:15] <ssi> but I don't have a 7i76 on hand, I do have a 7i77 (servo version)
[17:43:39] <ssi> IchGuckLive: what kind of plasma cutters do you use?
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[17:45:54] <IchGuckLive> hypertherm an s-plasma f
[17:46:15] <ssi> I'm running a hypertherm powermax 45
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[17:46:24] <ssi> I've been running it for a couple years with the hand torch, but I ordered a machine torch
[17:46:35] <ssi> I ordered the mini torch, it's short and doesn't have the rack on it
[17:46:50] <ssi> I couldn't find 100% convincing evidence that it'd work on the 45, but I think it will!
[17:47:36] <ssi> I also ordered an ohmic sensing body for it
[17:47:43] <ssi> I have a floating holder with a microswitch right now
[17:47:54] <ssi> but if I could switch to ohmic sensing and a rigid mount I think it'd improve the machine
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[17:52:17] <IchGuckLive> i still use the normal handtoarch with a on of clamp as it is the main plasma for all kind of shop works
[17:52:56] <ssi> I've been trying to get rid of some headshake the machine has which causes it to cut a wavy line at higher speeds
[17:53:11] <ssi> I rebuilt the X axis with 30mm rail instead of the 15mm rail that it had
[17:53:24] <ssi> also X axis is now belt drive instead of rack+pinion
[17:53:33] <ssi> I may redo the Y axes with belts too
[17:54:24] <ssi> but I still have the issue that the gantry runs fairly high above the work area, and so the Z plate is kinda long, and then the floating torch holder, and all of that introduces some lack of rigidity that might still contribute to headshake
[17:55:05] <IchGuckLive> idid throw all belt systems out as it did fail so offen on the strength issue and got mm ofsets rack and pinion as precise with 30:1 gear is a highly usebal system
[17:55:53] <IchGuckLive> ok most work des not mater
[17:55:55] <ssi> the problem I've had with the rack and pinion systems is keeping the pinion tensioned in the rack properly; backlash in the pinion, backlash in my 3:1 belt reductions, etc
[17:57:14] <IchGuckLive> i got a car spring that pushes the rack into the pinion
[17:57:22] <ssi> I have something similar
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[18:12:38] <ssi> hm... I have a 5i25 second port breakout actually
[18:12:53] <ssi> I think if you order a 5i25 with G540 firmware, it comes set up as a 2xG540
[18:13:18] <ssi> which means without reflashing the '25 I can probably at the very least use the five G540 IO as is
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[18:14:34] <pcw_home> you have 17 GPIO available on the second port
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[18:14:53] <ssi> ah is that how its set up? cool that'll be perfect
[18:15:13] <ssi> I just need to come up with a good solution for wiring it
[18:15:31] <ssi> all I need to use them for is NC limit switches, so I shouldn't need any isolation or protection
[18:15:48] <pcw_home> has nothing to do with card firmware, all hm2 I/O pins can be GPIO
[18:16:02] <ssi> ahh right ok
[18:16:36] <pcw_home> you just need to disable the stepgens/etc on the other port
[18:16:45] <ssi> which is done in the firmware init stright?
[18:16:48] <ssi> string
[18:17:10] <ssi> loadrt hm2_pci config="num_stepgens=5 num_encoders=0"
[18:17:22] <ssi> wonder why that was set to five
[18:17:59] <pcw_home> I think stepgen 4 (of 0..4) is the chargepump signal generator
[18:18:04] <ssi> ohhh
[18:18:27] <ssi> yep, sure enough
[18:18:35] <ssi> # enable charge pump with emcmot.00.enable
[18:18:35] <ssi> net emcmot.00.enable => hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.04.enable
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[18:18:59] <pcw_home> so stepgens 0..4 on P3 and 5..9 on P2 (the header)
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[19:37:38] <Nick001-shop> any luck?
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[19:40:37] <JT-Shop> I'm a day late reading it cause I usually just delete anything I see from AK
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[19:51:31] <Nick001-shop> get much spam?
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[19:58:28] <Deejay> re
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[20:33:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_15_glass_trolley/IMG_1526.JPG and it's not even full yet :)
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[20:38:44] <Lathe_newbie> hi there
[20:38:59] <Einar1> archivist: Are you there?
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[21:27:24] <Jymmm> Does anyoen have a monochrome monitor?
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[22:46:26] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: several
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[23:57:19] <XXCoder> Jymmm: hack a e-reader or eink screen
[23:57:40] <XXCoder> get NST and develop android app that displays what you wants is simplest actually
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