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[01:08:16] <XXCoder> woot
[01:08:19] <XXCoder> got giant order
[01:08:30] <XXCoder> I will be able to afford some nicer cnc parts
[01:11:19] <jdh> whatcha making?
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[01:32:59] <XXCoder> not making, its non cnc related order.
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[01:33:19] <XXCoder> I was hoping it'd sell soonish so I could order ballscrews
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[01:41:58] <XXCoder> got a question though
[01:42:06] <XXCoder> if say my rail system is 2 feet long
[01:42:10] <XXCoder> how long should screw be?
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[01:47:19] <XXCoder> hey
[01:48:49] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: how much travel is there?
[01:49:07] <XXCoder> a sec
[01:49:21] <XXCoder> 600 mm
[01:49:24] <XXCoder> approx 2 ft
[01:49:46] <CaptHindsight> travel + bearing and coupling + whatever extra you want for clearance
[01:51:12] <XXCoder> http://www.oklahomaselltoday.com/Sapulpa-/GARAGE-SALES-/Cnc-router-engraver-design-package-easy-to-build-plans.do
[01:51:21] <XXCoder> seems distances is equal with rails
[01:51:25] <CaptHindsight> you'll probably at least want to make a simple back of the napkin sketch to decide how you're going to mount and capture it
[01:52:03] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/linear-motion/importance-ballscrew-end-fixity
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[01:53:13] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/site-files/machinedesign.com/files/archive/motionsystemdesign.com/images/main-types894.jpg
[01:53:49] <XXCoder> reading definition on "fixed"
[01:53:51] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/site-files/machinedesign.com/files/archive/motionsystemdesign.com/images/typical-evaluation-checks.jpg
[01:54:31] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:55:34] <CaptHindsight> then you'll have to decide how you'll mount the motor and couple it to the screw
[01:56:07] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-ballscrews-ball-screws-anti-backlash-ball-screw-RM1605-400-600-600mm-C7-CNC-/251333424264?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a84a3b488
[01:56:36] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-antibacklash-ballscrew-1605-600mm-C7-BK-BF12-coupler-6-35mm-10mm-/251403735191?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a88d49097 more expensive but has all stuff like supports
[01:56:44] <XXCoder> and I guess antibacklash coupler
[01:57:42] <CaptHindsight> the screw ends look machined and threaded for nuts to set preload
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[01:58:52] <XXCoder> how does preload work? I guess it makes some constant load so it dont start and suddenbly gets hit with load
[02:00:48] <XXCoder> nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-ballscrews-RM1605-300-600-600mm-3-nuts-BK-BF12-/250451252435?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a500ed4d3
[02:00:54] <XXCoder> matches my cnc rail sizes lol
[02:00:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nmbtc.com/bearings/engineering/preload.html
[02:01:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.skf.com/group/products/bearings-units-housings/ball-bearings/principles/application-of-bearings/bearing-preload/index.html
[02:01:52] <XXCoder> ahh that simple
[02:01:53] <CaptHindsight> http://img.bhs4.com/AB/8/AB886BEA235631035195B42EFB449C2E019B8450_large.jpg
[02:01:55] <XXCoder> nice
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[02:02:25] <CaptHindsight> ever do wheel bearings on a car?
[02:02:30] <XXCoder> nope
[02:03:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineerlive.com/content/23694
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[02:04:59] <XXCoder> capt got links on how to build preload in
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[02:56:37] <humble_sea_bass> https://imgur.com/a/gak3W
[02:57:37] <humble_sea_bass> https://i.imgur.com/EnqlHMb.jpg
[02:57:42] <humble_sea_bass> PRELOADING 101
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[03:13:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ping
[03:14:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 3 for $5, whatcha think?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Mini-Module-Atmega328-53V-16M-For-Arduino-Compatible-With-Nano-/181341402604?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a38ca35ec
[03:17:31] <XXCoder> jeez so cheap
[03:17:34] <XXCoder> whats people use it for
[03:21:36] <XXCoder> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/CNCCookbook/ACBearingBlock.jpg
[03:21:40] <XXCoder> nice picture
[03:22:53] <XXCoder> so result should be that theres enough of shift passed though that I can mount motor to it
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[06:51:41] <Deejay> moin
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[09:36:07] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[09:36:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-and-decker-bdcdmt120ia-lithium-ion-20-volt-cordless-drill-impact-combo-/111350152246?pt=Drills&hash=item19ecfc7c36
[09:36:23] <SpeedEvil> I wish small high power gearboxes were readily available
[09:38:25] <SpeedEvil> hmm. $23 as spare parts.
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[09:52:40] <Swapper_> harmonic drives is not that expensive on ebay ? :)
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[09:56:09] <SpeedEvil> Aren't most drills planetary, not harmonic?
[09:58:55] <Swapper_> yea think so, but they are noiser and not zero backlash
[09:59:02] <Swapper_> whats your application ?
[10:00:04] <SpeedEvil> What - I need an actual application now? :)
[10:00:49] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - I was pondering small tools on sticks for garden maintainance.
[10:00:56] <SpeedEvil> And, I know you can buy them.
[10:01:36] <SpeedEvil> I have sort-of-semi-seriously considered installing a rail system so that I can have an automated hedgetrimmer to run along it
[10:03:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harmonic-Drive-Systems-Gear-Component-Set-Gearhead-HDUC25A-80-2ABL3-/330983287945?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item4d10242c89 - shiny
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[10:16:37] <narogon> I have a delta robot
[10:16:42] <narogon> I'm using delta kinematics
[10:16:52] <narogon> but i have some problems with soft limits
[10:16:59] <narogon> in joint mode everything is ok
[10:17:14] <narogon> but when i change to world mode
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[10:17:41] <narogon> It's always says joint 0 1 2 following error
[10:19:15] <narogon> how could i debug it to find where the problem is
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[10:30:05] <kengu> narogon: google not helping at all? I have no idea on your case but joint following error is pretty common,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Following_Error
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[10:30:33] <kengu> https://www.google.com/search?q=joint+0+1+2+following+error
[10:30:35] <kengu> ..
[10:30:39] <narogon> when you define ferror and min_ferror
[10:30:57] <narogon> they are in machine units = joint units no???
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[10:38:37] <eren_basturk> hi all, I have a question about hal compenent
[10:39:42] <eren_basturk> I have a .comp file and I installed it to under /rtlib/xenomai directory
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[10:40:07] <eren_basturk> .so extension file exist under this directoy
[10:40:40] <eren_basturk> should I do more thing to use this comp file?
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[10:42:25] <narogon> you make comp --install yourfile.comp
[10:42:58] <narogon> and if it is installed correctly you can load from hal
[10:43:44] <eren_basturk> yes
[10:43:50] <eren_basturk> I did it
[10:44:21] <eren_basturk> but when I run it , it doesn't load
[10:46:11] <narogon> does it says you the component doesn't exist?
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[11:02:25] <eren_basturk> no no no
[11:02:34] <eren_basturk> I found the problem but i am not sure
[11:08:21] <eren_basturk> the problem is my component related with gantry
[11:08:34] <eren_basturk> i am a bit confuse
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[11:09:09] <narogon> i'm not very sure what your problem is
[11:09:15] <narogon> the fact is if you make halrun
[11:09:19] <narogon> and loadrt yourcomponent
[11:09:29] <eren_basturk> it works but my probblem is
[11:09:40] <narogon> so make show
[11:09:44] <eren_basturk> ok
[11:09:44] <narogon> and you can see if it is loaded
[11:09:53] <narogon> to run in real tiem
[11:09:59] <narogon> add it to a thread
[11:10:05] <eren_basturk> It loaded but
[11:10:14] <eren_basturk> I have 3 axis CNC ini file
[11:10:30] <eren_basturk> I want to drive two motors at one axis
[11:10:40] <eren_basturk> for that reason I installed a comp
[11:10:49] <eren_basturk> but in ini file
[11:10:50] <narogon> axis are the freedom grades
[11:10:52] <narogon> of the machine
[11:10:54] <narogon> not the motors
[11:11:12] <eren_basturk> should I define one more axis for the other motor?
[11:11:28] <narogon> sorry freedom degrees'
[11:11:34] <narogon> no
[11:11:55] <eren_basturk> you mean I won't change my ini file for gantry
[11:12:00] <eren_basturk> right?
[11:13:36] <narogon> if you are using trivial kinematics
[11:14:07] <eren_basturk> yes I'm using it
[11:14:27] <narogon> X axis0 Y axis 1 Z axis 2
[11:14:27] <narogon> so if you have more than one motor to the same axis
[11:15:43] <narogon> i suppose you must link axis.n.motor-pos-cmd to 2 motors
[11:15:48] <narogon> in your hal file
[11:16:21] <eren_basturk> that is good explanation
[11:16:26] <eren_basturk> i will try it
[11:16:30] <eren_basturk> thanks a lot
[11:16:40] <narogon> axis.n.motor-pos-fb
[11:16:49] <narogon> you could only link to one of the two motors
[11:16:59] <narogon> but they are going to move exactly the same
[11:18:21] <narogon> you could control the differences between two motors position feedbacks
[11:18:52] <narogon> and check if something it's going wrong in any time
[11:21:30] <eren_basturk> thanks a lot
[11:21:41] <eren_basturk> for detailed explanation
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[11:36:23] <narogon> eren_basturk there is a cinematics for your machine
[11:36:25] <narogon> gantrykins
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[11:53:50] <jthornton> cinematic the art or principles of making motion pictures
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[11:54:36] <jthornton> Kinematics is the study of classical mechanics which describes the motion of points
[11:54:51] * Tom_itx turns on an extra pc to take the morning chill off
[11:55:41] * jthornton notes that it is a very comfortable 66F here this morning
[11:57:38] <Tom_itx> 47°F now
[11:57:58] <Tom_itx> was a bit cooler at 3"30
[11:58:01] <Tom_itx> :
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[12:06:27] <Tom_itx> seemed chilly considering the 100+ temps last week
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[12:33:51] <eren_basturk> naragon it works now
[12:33:58] <eren_basturk> thanks a lot
[12:41:56] <skunkworks> logger[psha],
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[13:43:46] <narogon> jthornton: it's a false friend from spanish
[13:43:55] <narogon> in spanish cinematica=kinematics
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[16:19:48] <gene78> hi guys, got a very small scale error.
[16:22:32] <gene78> 8x microstepping, 2/1 geardown on an x5mm screw. currently about 403, what s/b the correct scale?
[16:23:21] <jdh> 200*8*2 steps == 5mm
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[16:24:27] <jdh> so 16000 pulses per mm
[16:26:10] <gene78> yeah, but at 403,xxx I am only off about 2 thou in an inch?
[16:27:04] <gene78> it is going a bit far, looks like i should reduce it
[16:27:31] <jdh> where did you get 403k?
[16:28:10] <gene78> all my dial indicators are Merican, typo, s/b a decimal point=403.3489xxxx
[16:28:47] <jdh> you lost me.
[16:29:24] <gene78> i may be running that axis nin /4 mode too., can't member
[16:29:57] <gene78> what i want there is the step to go 1mm, right?
[16:30:05] <gene78> what i want there is the steps to go 1mm, right?
[16:30:40] <jdh> acutally I multiplied instead of dividing, didn't I.
[16:31:29] <jdh> what is /4 mode?
[16:32:16] <gene78> 2m542 microstep mode, could be 4 because i ran out of speed at 8
[16:34:04] <gene78> cpu speed that is
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[16:39:48] <archivist> put the machine in inch mode move an inch and see if dti agrees or move 25.4 mm
[16:40:15] <archivist> or have dual reading dti :)
[16:42:40] <archivist> moving a nats cock is difficult with microstepping so dont expect super precision
[16:44:25] <gene78> Since we can mix & match in the motion list, I am using .5inch to test with and slowly reducing the 403.xxxx so 2 taps=1 inch, fine tuning backlash by checking the center stp each direction.
[16:45:03] <archivist> to test scale do it in one direction
[16:45:28] <archivist> from outside any possible backlash
[16:46:15] <archivist> this is me testing mine
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[16:46:33] <gene78> yes, given, i tst 2nd move for scale
[16:47:20] <archivist> you can see the backlash /spring wind up of mine at the beginning
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[16:49:19] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:51:35] <IchGuckLive> gene78: m542 is not the fastest on stepping
[16:52:16] <IchGuckLive> best to go 400 and timingbelt or worm
[16:52:43] <IchGuckLive> best performence i got with them
[17:01:16] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: heavy thunder today and rain as mutch as in te 4 month bevore
[17:08:57] <gene78> I have had zero problems with a fast interface (cnc4pc C1G) and 2 usec port resets. Dir line isn't reset
[17:09:50] <IchGuckLive> that is great !
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[17:18:20] <gene78> I'm going to quit on z, its within a thou in an inch, good enough for the girls I go with. Now for X, its off by /10
[17:19:29] <IchGuckLive> gene78: backlash
[17:20:01] <gene78> set zero, acts like 10 thou overcomped atm
[17:20:04] <IchGuckLive> for backlash it is good to go one full treadturn and one teeth
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[17:20:21] <IchGuckLive> 10 tines check and then equaling
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[17:21:17] <gene78> Turns out I hadn't zeroed it, was set .5
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[17:21:50] <IchGuckLive> yeah mashine file conversions are trigy
[17:21:56] <IchGuckLive> g ,-)
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[17:41:36] <IchGuckLive> venyl plates are creat stuff !
[17:48:59] <gene78> yup, got motions within a thou now. Thanks for the hand holding. :)
[17:49:00] <zeeshan> archivist: what was that bike andy_pugh has?
[17:49:25] <archivist> ner a car
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[17:50:05] <zeeshan> thank you
[17:50:33] <archivist> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ner-A-Car
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[18:17:34] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[18:18:41] <gene78> making swarf, looks good so far
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[18:25:07] <JT-Shop> yea
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[18:26:07] <andypugh> <giggle> at Chinese quality. I just recieved a £25 steady-rest for my Chinese lathe. The threads are not concentric with the adjusters, but that’s a small issue compared to the fact that they simply forgot to cut the thread in one of the things that the adjuster screws in to.
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[18:27:00] <zeeshan> lol
[18:27:13] <zeeshan> cheap chinese stuff is exactly that
[18:27:13] <zeeshan> cheap
[18:27:21] <zeeshan> moderate priced chinese stuff = win
[18:27:32] <zeeshan> ball screws is an exception
[18:27:35] <zeeshan> cheap ones are excellent!
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[18:29:23] <deMimsy> Am I correct in stating that o-code cannot be run through AUTO_MODE?
[18:29:41] <archivist> I had the misfortune to see a remote stepper driver pcb the other day they have the red and black wires backwards, checked on fleabay, even the image was backwards
[18:31:51] <archivist> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261472278611
[18:35:02] <gene78> deMimsy, GCode using o-codes, generally has to be restared from the top if stopped for some reason. I use lots o0f it.
[18:35:45] <deMimsy> hmm, for some reason if i open a file with any o-code statements in it, i cannot run it
[18:36:15] <deMimsy> however, if i call the ocode subroutines through mdi it runs just fine
[18:38:04] <andypugh> It’s not meant to be like that.
[18:38:47] <andypugh> Unless your code consists _only_ of O-sub code, in which case the G-code interpreter can’t see anything to run.
[18:39:25] <andypugh> One solution is probably (I only just thought of this) to have any subroutine file also contain a call to itself.
[18:41:31] <deMimsy> alright, i will attack it some more. just wanted to make sure I wasnt going down an unimplemented path
[18:41:47] <deMimsy> thanks!
[18:42:48] <JT-Shop> or the same number used more than one pair
[18:43:37] <JT-Shop> like o100 sub and matching o100 endsub and the next should be some other number
[18:44:22] <gene78> idea bounce time
[18:46:23] <gene78> I'm making a shaft extension for an 8mm screw. Thinking of boring a .5" deep pocket that just fits the screw's actual OD, slitting it, and putting a tapered thread on the end so when a nut is screwed on, it closed down on the end of the screw.
[18:46:27] <gene78> Workable?
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[19:02:09] <MrSunshine> andypugh, yes but its hard sometimes =) as the probe move moves say 30mm down ... so i need to be sure i have Z axis 30mm above 0, and then i think it messes up even more if i have touched it off also :/
[19:03:08] <MrSunshine> so say i have a movement of 0 - -90mm on Z axis, i go down to -70 and zero my axis there, then try and do a probe move, it will complain about going outside of the axis movement and totaly mess up the classic ladder program :/
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[19:08:18] <andypugh> gene78: Should work
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[19:10:00] <andypugh> An alternative is what I did on my Y screw: A taper on the screw, a taper socket on the extension, and a differential screw to draw them together. This made sense for me as I only had access from the wnd when the screw was in place.
[19:12:04] <andypugh> Write-up and links:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical-mill-lathe-project-log/109301-harrison-universal-miller-conversion-3.html#post1393132
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[19:45:03] <FinboySlick> Completely off topic but since most of you are good at all things mechanical, I'm looking for this:
http://logan58.ru/image/cache/data/tovar1/655639-500x500.jpg in 2.25" in the US or Canada anyone here with inspiration? I've skimmed a few auto shops but can't seem to find anything past 2"
[19:47:26] <Loetmichel> hmm, try truck shops ;-)
[19:47:36] <Loetmichel> thats called "auspuffreparaturschelle" in german
[19:47:49] <Loetmichel> (exhaust repair clamp)
[19:48:12] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I always found the german way of concatenating words awesome.
[19:48:45] <FinboySlick> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exhaust-Pipe-Clamp-VW-Audi-2-1-4-55mm-Dual-Clip-Sleeve-Bracket-357253141A-/291001512537 looks like it would fit the bill actually.
[19:48:51] <Loetmichel> http://themetapicture.com/the-reason-germans-dont-play-scrabble/
[19:48:52] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:50:10] <Loetmichel> "floor grinding machine rental"
[19:50:11] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[19:55:10] <archivist> Loetmichel, do you remember the name of bevel gear maker over there?
[19:55:30] <Loetmichel> no
[19:55:45] <Loetmichel> sorry
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[19:57:18] <archivist> hmm, cant find in my book marks
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[20:36:54] <zeeshan-laptop> hi
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[20:56:45] <xxoxx> hi
[20:57:00] <jdh> cut anything yet?
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[20:59:25] <zeeshan-laptop> no
[20:59:35] <zeeshan-laptop> jdh get your lathe runnng
[20:59:43] <zeeshan-laptop> btw, i got the long ball screw.
[20:59:53] <zeeshan-laptop> the extended ball screw will definitely work
[20:59:56] <zeeshan-laptop> no need to mount it outside
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[21:18:12] <Deejay> gn
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[21:32:49] <zeeshan-laptop> is deejay a bot
[21:33:03] <zeeshan-laptop> he/she always says moin and gn at the same time everday
[21:33:04] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[21:33:15] <kengu> hmm
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[22:37:43] <andypugh> ban sour cream and save lives:
http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation.php?id=2032
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