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[00:00:44] <malcom2073> [13:01:39] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: its so hot at your place and dry like desert ? Cnn acording california at firer state
[00:00:51] <malcom2073> 7 hours ago
[00:00:55] <XXCoder> thanks
[00:01:13] <XXCoder> wrong part of usa heh but definitely hot
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[00:07:27] <MrHindsight> cold and rain here, but anything beats -15C and snow
[00:08:10] <Tom_itx> MrHindsight, i forgot what part of the world you were in
[00:08:28] <MrHindsight> windy city
[00:08:45] <Tom_itx> well! that's wichita for sure :)
[00:22:01] <ChuangTzu> yeah
[00:22:19] <ChuangTzu> i bike 15 miles every week day
[00:22:20] <XXCoder> where even wind has wind? ;)
[00:22:21] <ChuangTzu> rain or shine
[00:22:27] <ChuangTzu> and it's always a headwind
[00:22:48] <XXCoder> like uphill both ways? ;)
[00:28:25] <ChuangTzu> kinda
[00:28:29] <ChuangTzu> except this is actually possible
[00:28:45] <XXCoder> loop other way then :D
[00:28:46] <ChuangTzu> the wind switches directions in the middle of the day when i'm at work
[00:28:55] <ChuangTzu> :)
[00:29:23] <XXCoder> I used to have job I walked half a block to
[00:29:33] <XXCoder> but I screwed up. I wasnt reay for workl
[00:29:38] <XXCoder> ready to work
[00:29:59] <XXCoder> its been long time ago. dawn of internet and aol days
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[00:49:58] <humble_sea_bass> when i was in college id bike from brooklyn to harlem, somethingf like 16 miles total each way, everything was fine until I reached harlem where the hills are craaaazy steep and at that point I'd just walk up the last 4 avenues up because a single speed bike couldnt do it
[00:51:08] <XXCoder> heh humble
[00:51:25] <XXCoder> reminds nme of one bike day hell day for me
[00:51:35] <XXCoder> I was going to end of one road (25 mile trip)
[00:51:54] <XXCoder> I arrived the end, but it was getting late, so I start heading back
[00:52:09] <XXCoder> well at mile 10 on return trip (or 35 miles total that point)
[00:52:10] <MrHindsight> you had bicycles with wheels, when we were in school .....
[00:52:23] <XXCoder> theres a nice park. with lots water areas/.
[00:52:32] <XXCoder> well know what comes out when its getting dim?
[00:52:39] <XXCoder> mostitoes. lots of em
[00:53:10] <humble_sea_bass> if you're shredding on your bike they don't have time to catch you
[00:53:31] <XXCoder> I couldnt slow down or they'd come on me. I had to use hat constantly while going max speed. I'm very good long bicycler but I am very weak on power
[00:53:45] <XXCoder> so after 2 miles I finally arrived city and away from water
[00:53:59] <XXCoder> I couldnt go on, there qwas 12 more miles or so lol
[00:54:01] <humble_sea_bass> the first day back to work after hurricane sandy
[00:54:07] <XXCoder> I ran out of energy
[00:54:55] <humble_sea_bass> there were no subways so my wife and I took a tandem bike into manhattan, all told that day we logged 40 miles going to our respective offices and back home
[00:55:14] <humble_sea_bass> also most of manhattan was dark dark dark
[00:57:21] <XXCoder> bet that was kinda spooky
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[00:58:21] <humble_sea_bass> it was really cool except for the few cab drivers you had to be uncivil to
[00:59:00] <humble_sea_bass> the best was crossing the manhattan bridge back, it was completely dark over the river, all you saw were the other blinky bike lights
[00:59:12] <XXCoder> wow
[00:59:22] <humble_sea_bass> then you reached the apex and go into brooklyns power grid, and everything was normal
[00:59:31] <humble_sea_bass> lights on and everything
[01:00:39] <zeeshan> jdh you there?
[01:00:43] <zeeshan> jdh jdh jdh jdh jdh
[01:00:44] <zeeshan> :D
[01:00:48] <humble_sea_bass> http://jclemon.com/blog/2012/11/exploring-powerless-manhattan/
[01:01:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nYImuUm.jpg
[01:01:45] <zeeshan> i can't modify those 2 holes
[01:01:48] <zeeshan> nor can i modify the slot
[01:01:50] <zeeshan> im SOL
[01:02:03] <zeeshan> i measured it properly, i need .175" of clearance.
[01:02:17] <XXCoder> any alternative design?
[01:02:24] <zeeshan> removing th eball screw theads will only remove 0.080 thou
[01:02:31] <zeeshan> and if i remove the remaining amnount from the 2 holes
[01:02:45] <zeeshan> ill only have .100 of meat left there which is too thin
[01:02:48] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i thinkso
[01:02:58] * Jymmm counts 7 holes
[01:03:17] <XXCoder> humble awesome link
[01:03:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nw7kPgh.jpg
[01:03:33] <zeeshan> Jymmm: sorry the 2 holes im talking about
[01:03:36] <zeeshan> are where the ball screw passes through
[01:03:45] <Jymmm> ah
[01:03:50] <zeeshan> im thinknig of buying a 7" longer ball screw
[01:03:58] <XXCoder> man I missed cectic when it was active webcomic.
http://www.cectic.com/035/
[01:04:00] <zeeshan> and extending the whole cross slide 7"
[01:04:06] <zeeshan> that way the ball nut sticks out
[01:04:14] <XXCoder> is that expenive
[01:04:23] <zeeshan> the ball screw?
[01:04:31] <zeeshan> like 100 bux
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[01:05:01] <Jymmm> zeeshan: What if...
[01:05:12] <Jymmm> You added an extender block..
[01:05:18] <zeeshan> where?
[01:05:40] <Jymmm> Bolt the block to the slide, then make the holes you need in the ext bloack
[01:06:11] <Jymmm> It won't give you the added length you want, but you won't have to fuck around trying to find 200thou either
[01:06:12] <zeeshan> problem is
[01:06:19] <zeeshan> the ball nut is touching the bottom of the slot it rides in
[01:06:23] <zeeshan> there is a .175" interference
[01:06:49] <Jymmm> grind the bitch down?
[01:06:57] <zeeshan> cant
[01:07:08] <zeeshan> if i remove more material from the bottom of the slot
[01:07:15] <zeeshan> ill expose one of the v-ways the block rids on
[01:07:17] <zeeshan> *rides
[01:07:21] <Jymmm> No no not the slot, the ballnut mount
[01:07:25] <zeeshan> ohh
[01:07:27] <zeeshan> i've grinded it down
[01:07:30] <zeeshan> as much as i can hehe
[01:07:38] <Tom_itx> ground
[01:07:55] <zeeshan> poor english is nice
[01:07:56] <zeeshan> :P
[01:08:08] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Well, stock up on lube then, cause you're fucked! Thank you and have a nice day =)
[01:08:13] <zeeshan> hahaha
[01:08:34] <Jymmm> ;)
[01:08:48] <zeeshan> im drawing up an alternative
[01:08:52] <zeeshan> critiqueit!
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[01:09:14] <Jymmm> you need that green bar in the middle?
[01:09:40] <zeeshan> yea
[01:09:44] <zeeshan> its a reinforcement bar
[01:09:50] <Jymmm> so?
[01:10:06] <zeeshan> so the triangular part of the ways don't flex under load
[01:10:28] <Jymmm> Fine..............
[01:10:32] <zeeshan> haha
[01:10:32] <jp_mill> pcw_home: around?
[01:10:35] <Jymmm> *rolls eyes*
[01:12:03] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how much space is under the leadscrew?
[01:12:33] <XXCoder> fast dilio
http://interestingengineering.com/meet-the-worlds-fastest-bike/
[01:12:39] <zeeshan> .236"
[01:14:26] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Sorry man, I'm all out of ideas
[01:14:32] <zeeshan> hehe
[01:15:01] <Jymmm> buy a new lathe?
[01:15:10] <XXCoder> reprap
[01:15:17] <zeeshan> hahahah
[01:15:18] <zeeshan> you guys
[01:15:19] <zeeshan> :P
[01:15:48] <Jymmm> XXCoder: who the hell needs another glue gun, I have three already, thanks
[01:15:54] <XXCoder> lol
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[01:20:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/49L8ZC5.png
[01:20:41] <zeeshan> this is what im thinking of doing
[01:20:48] <zeeshan> mounting the ball nut at the end of the cross-slide
[01:20:51] <zeeshan> and just extending the screw
[01:21:09] <XXCoder> man I need to learn sketchup more.
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[01:24:28] <XXCoder> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10259841_10152340582157808_5700303836819360217_n.jpg
[01:24:33] <XXCoder> one is getting bit blue.
[01:24:35] <zeeshan> hahahahahahha
[01:24:50] <XXCoder> ribbed for pleasure too
[01:24:58] <zeeshan> shes a freaky one
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[02:07:58] <skunkworks_> my should know better cousin has fallen for this
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/30/free-energy-live-in-action-this-is-breathtaking-as-science-is-being-re-written/
[02:08:20] <skunkworks_> I guess if you through quantum into the name...
[02:08:55] <XXCoder> quantium reprap
[02:09:02] <XXCoder> kickstart it
[02:09:02] <ChuangTzu> lol
[02:09:16] <ChuangTzu> collective-evolution.com
[02:09:18] <ChuangTzu> lol
[02:10:06] <XXCoder> if it REALLY works, it's because there is as previously undiscovered source of energy. not because it makes energy out of ass
[02:10:07] <skunkworks_> you just have to tune it.....
[02:11:32] <pcw_home> depressing...
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[02:15:34] <skunkworks_> the time wasted...
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[02:22:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: PT Barnum Lives
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[02:23:02] <XXCoder> where is shaun? I pee-reviewed this.
http://www.cectic.com/184/
[02:23:19] <ChuangTzu> pee-reviewed?
[02:23:22] <ChuangTzu> you peed on it?
[02:23:30] <XXCoder> click link lol
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[02:25:17] <Jymmm> Whats the proof that perpetual motion/energy isn't possible?
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[02:26:02] <Jymmm> (seriously)
[02:27:57] <jp_mill> pcw_home: got the axis working but had to bypass the motor encoder.
[02:28:29] <pcw_home> strange
[02:28:49] <jp_mill> by bypass i mean add a second encode
[02:29:03] <XXCoder> Jymmm: physics
[02:29:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: More specifically
[02:29:25] <XXCoder> you cant make or destroy energy
[02:29:41] <jp_mill> i had the same operation regardless if i took the encoder counts from the drive or straight from the botor
[02:29:49] <XXCoder> if your machine works, its tapping something new to science, but it is NOT "postive energy" machine.
[02:30:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: E=mc^2 kinda says otherwise
[02:30:34] <XXCoder> so far, its impossible. Oil was postive energy till we understood it more.
[02:30:51] <XXCoder> uhh it just says energy equals to mass lightspeed squared
[02:31:00] <XXCoder> it states that mass is energy basically
[02:31:03] <Jymmm> XXCoder: If I stretch a spring, it will weight more. because it is storing energy.
[02:31:31] <XXCoder> exactly. but it is NOT making new energy or mass
[02:31:49] <XXCoder> you spent energy stretching it, its now expressed as mass
[02:31:49] <skunkworks_> that is what fission and fusion is for...
[02:31:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: So, if mass is porpotional to energy in some aspects, why can't a "trnsfer one energy into another?
[02:32:16] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yes. but all claims of postive energy machines has always been bunk
[02:32:19] <Jymmm> or mass to energy and back
[02:32:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I'm not talking about snakeoil
[02:32:53] <XXCoder> well problem
[02:32:58] <XXCoder> there is ALWAYS losses
[02:33:03] <XXCoder> heat, vibration, so on
[02:33:10] <XXCoder> if you heard it run its losing energy
[02:33:41] <XXCoder> there is no zero sum running machine. its always negative unless running off stored energy in form of batteries, solar, or oil
[02:33:42] <humble_sea_bass> Jymmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics#Laws_of_thermodynamics
[02:33:55] <Jymmm> no, not loss, remember you just said that make or destory energy =)
[02:34:08] <XXCoder> Jymmm: uhh did you read?
[02:34:30] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: We don't need no stinkin badges
[02:34:32] <XXCoder> I said if you heard it run its losing energy because its converting energy to noise/vibration
[02:34:46] <XXCoder> zero loss in overall energy
[02:35:07] <XXCoder> zero gain too. but you cant keep all energy from machine back into it.
[02:35:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You are just saing what everyone else has always said, but it still does prove anything.
[02:35:20] <XXCoder> otherwise you'd be able to make windup that can wind it up
[02:35:58] <Jymmm> you are looking at this far too practical a perspective.
[02:36:07] <humble_sea_bass> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle
[02:36:18] <XXCoder> even useless zero sum machines is impossible
[02:36:26] <humble_sea_bass> that's your best case scenario
[02:36:33] <XXCoder> because theres no such thing as no friction
[02:36:50] <Jymmm> light in a vacuum
[02:37:21] <Jymmm> where the friction there?
[02:37:34] <XXCoder> well light isnt losing any energy either and its not a machine
[02:37:49] <Jymmm> light IS energy, wheres the friction you speak of?
[02:38:10] <jdh> where is this vacuum
[02:38:24] <skunkworks_> what have I done....
[02:38:30] <XXCoder> well youre moving to area not even applicable to orginial debate of machines that run forever
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[02:38:33] <Jymmm> jdh: househols appliance isle
[02:38:36] <XXCoder> so I'll stop here
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[02:38:57] <humble_sea_bass> Jymmm: vacuum = absense of particles and mass and shit.
[02:39:18] <XXCoder> aka shaun's skull spaxe
[02:39:20] <XXCoder> space
[02:39:20] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: dumb blonde?
[02:39:23] <humble_sea_bass> even in a vacuum you are subject to gravitational forces
[02:39:40] <XXCoder> yeah. light is very strange thing.
[02:39:41] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: and gravity is energy
[02:39:42] <pcw_home> my vacuum is full of particles and shit
[02:39:44] <humble_sea_bass> and inconvenient things like the inverse square rule for unfocused light
[02:40:11] <pcw_home> (if you have rabbits thats a given)
[02:40:17] <humble_sea_bass> unless you can make a gravity engine that makes up become down
[02:40:22] <humble_sea_bass> then whatevers
[02:40:30] <XXCoder> humble light speed is light speed. even if youre traveling at 99.99999% light speed, you turn on flashlight, photons will leave it at light speed.
[02:40:55] <humble_sea_bass> light isn't that strange
[02:40:57] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: You sy gravity, but if the universe is expanding as they say it is, that would mean it's mass is storing enrgy just like that spring.
[02:41:21] <Jymmm> If so, where's is THAT enrgy coming from?
[02:41:48] <XXCoder> Jymmm: well thats where sciencists is still figuring. dark energy maybe
[02:42:08] <humble_sea_bass> its in the system, but you need differential potentials to do anything
[02:42:42] <Jymmm> Maybe it's from all those "apparently" perpetual motion machines really are working, just not as we expect them to be?
[02:42:59] <humble_sea_bass> no no no, in our time scale
[02:43:01] <Jymmm> s/motion/motin|energy/
[02:43:06] <humble_sea_bass> we see perpetual motion
[02:43:08] <XXCoder> lol assuming those machines is NOT scam
[02:43:29] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Fuck our time scale, Ours is but the 4th dimension, what about all the other dimensions?
[02:43:41] <XXCoder> time is not 4th dimension
[02:43:43] <humble_sea_bass> that's like saying that the earth is not slowing down
[02:43:52] <XXCoder> thats why we say we live in 3d + 1 universe
[02:44:11] * Jymmm checks... Nope I don't see any earth skid marks... prove it's slowing down =)
[02:44:23] <humble_sea_bass> I'm sensing some shawn level trolling here. I'm gonna grab my bong and chill out
[02:44:49] <humble_sea_bass> my jimmie get russled when we talk perpetual motion
[02:44:50] <XXCoder> tell moon to stop slowing earth down then lol
[02:45:08] <Jymmm> No, your just not getting what I'm saying is all.... your still thinking in a practical perspective.
[02:45:24] <humble_sea_bass> I believe in cycles
[02:45:25] <XXCoder> do youre saying my brain should be in more... gullable condition?
[02:45:28] <Jymmm> you need to see/touch/feel before something "exists"
[02:45:47] <humble_sea_bass> I need to rip this bong before something exists
[02:46:02] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass:
[02:46:03] <zeeshan> lol
[02:46:06] <zeeshan> i feel bad for u
[02:46:07] <zeeshan> :P
[02:46:19] <Jymmm> Just becaue "we" can't detect/measure something, doens't mean it doens't exist.
[02:46:28] <zeeshan> jdh: damn you respond to me !
[02:46:32] <humble_sea_bass> that's a different thing Jymmm
[02:46:37] <jdh> whuttup bitch
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[02:46:40] <zeeshan> haha
[02:46:42] <XXCoder> jymmm no, I just need real valid proof before I have reasonable reason to think it to be true
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[02:46:48] <zeeshan> dude i couldnt drill the hole
[02:46:50] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: why are you feeling bad
[02:46:53] <XXCoder> prevents me from falling into bullshit
[02:46:54] <zeeshan> or deepen t he slot
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[02:47:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Like I said you need to touch/see/feel, again you what soemthign practical
[02:47:21] <XXCoder> exactly. glad we agree on this
[02:47:33] <jdh> take an angle grinder to your nuts?
[02:47:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That's also very narrow minded thinking
[02:47:36] <XXCoder> nah
[02:47:45] <Jymmm> Yeah, it really is.
[02:47:45] <XXCoder> less gullable thinking pattern
[02:47:52] <zeeshan> jdh, i figured out another way to do it
[02:47:57] <zeeshan> it's not as elegant..
[02:48:11] <XXCoder> zeeshan: if it works it works.,
[02:48:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I said not snakeoil already
[02:48:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/49L8ZC5.png
[02:48:18] <jdh> hang the ballnut off teh back of the cross?
[02:48:22] <zeeshan> cyea
[02:48:24] <zeeshan> lol
[02:48:27] <jdh> heh
[02:48:30] <zeeshan> and just use 1 bellow
[02:48:34] <zeeshan> and call it a day
[02:48:36] <XXCoder> I see it being offset and longer
[02:48:51] <zeeshan> putting it in front or back of the cross slide
[02:48:52] <XXCoder> what is real world conquences of being longer?
[02:48:55] <zeeshan> gets in the way of the tail stock
[02:48:57] <jdh> I'd try taht if mine were milled all teh way through
[02:48:57] <zeeshan> and spindle
[02:49:06] <zeeshan> jdh bust out the angle grinder
[02:49:08] <zeeshan> :PPP
[02:49:20] <jdh> that's why I haven't bothered wiring up my motor
[02:49:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's the whole send a twin off into spae at the speed of light for "five minutes" thing.
[02:49:41] <zeeshan> jdh just cut the end piece off
[02:49:44] <zeeshan> it doesnt do much
[02:49:53] <zeeshan> actually, maybe it does in your case
[02:49:55] <jdh> not just the end. half way
[02:49:57] <zeeshan> you could always drill a hole in it?
[02:50:02] <zeeshan> on the drill press?
[02:50:04] <zeeshan> its just a clearance
[02:50:09] <jdh> mine is tiny
[02:50:28] <zeeshan> XXCoder: power my lathe with perpetual motion
[02:50:32] <zeeshan> i hate paying for electricity
[02:50:46] <XXCoder> lol use spidle spinning to move axles
[02:50:56] <XXCoder> and vibration to spin spidle
[02:51:02] <zeeshan> ill just get a horse
[02:51:06] <XXCoder> lol
[02:51:06] <zeeshan> on a tread mill
[02:51:08] <zeeshan> :D
[02:51:14] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/145941/1398963600032.gif
[02:51:16] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Easy, just need a hole saw and a couple of 2dt jumpers =)
[02:51:22] <Jymmm> 2ft
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[02:52:15] <zeeshan> gonna place another order for a ball screw
[02:52:19] <zeeshan> prolly take a month coming from china
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[02:52:26] <zeeshan> actually nm, chai sends using fedex
[02:52:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/cEKrH7C.jpg
[02:52:46] <zeeshan> i organized my basement :D
[02:52:48] <zeeshan> kind of
[02:52:51] <jdh> he doesn't have 8mm screws
[02:52:56] <jdh> or I'd buy a new one
[02:52:56] <XXCoder> looks hella better
[02:53:10] <zeeshan> jdh that sux
[02:53:16] <zeeshan> you have 16mm ball screws?
[02:53:17] <zeeshan> or 12?
[02:53:26] <jdh> 12 for X.
[02:53:35] <zeeshan> im sure it can work
[02:53:35] <jdh> I'd use an 8 if I could find one
[02:53:36] <zeeshan> just overhang it
[02:53:43] <zeeshan> =P
[02:53:55] <zeeshan> you're so close to finishing it
[02:54:00] <Jymmm> zeeshan: You can't add an extension?
[02:54:08] <zeeshan> Jymmm: for what
[02:54:21] <Jymmm> what you are trying to do
[02:54:27] <zeeshan> yea im gonna extend it
[02:54:57] <Jymmm> oh, I thought you were buying a longer one
[02:55:05] <zeeshan> ohh
[02:55:09] <zeeshan> you mean extending the ball screw
[02:55:13] <zeeshan> hmm. i dont thinkso
[02:55:24] <Jymmm> the leadscrew yeah
[02:55:25] <zeeshan> the 700mm ball screw x 20mm diameter is like70$ shipped
[02:55:31] <zeeshan> its just annoying waiting for it
[02:55:41] <Jymmm> xmas kid
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[03:01:29] <zeeshan> any of you guys collect porcelain signs? :p
[03:01:33] <zeeshan> i need to decorate the garage :P
[03:01:54] <XXCoder> send me million bucks and I might find a few for you
[03:01:58] <zeeshan> lol
[03:03:02] <zeeshan> damn theyre expensive
[03:03:06] <zeeshan> ill just put a buncha playboy girls up
[03:03:09] <zeeshan> cheaper
[03:03:10] <zeeshan> :p
[03:03:14] <XXCoder> lol
[03:03:36] <XXCoder> just get random machinit related ads and ut em up
[03:03:46] <XXCoder> makes you seem... professional? lol
[03:03:54] <jdh> I need a 12mm allen wrench.
[03:04:10] <jdh> I have like 10+sets of various types that all stop at 10mm
[03:04:12] * XXCoder passes jdh one via montior transport system
[03:04:13] <zeeshan> i has a few
[03:04:20] <zeeshan> yea the regular sets only go to 3/8 or 10mm
[03:04:33] <zeeshan> i got a buncha big ass allen keys from that old tool haul
[03:04:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/mZ4Ed59.jpg
[03:04:51] <zeeshan> :D
[03:05:14] <zeeshan> jdh since you love the angle grinder so much
[03:05:20] <zeeshan> why dont you make one?
[03:05:24] <zeeshan> :)
[03:05:42] <zeeshan> just need a 1/2" round bar
[03:05:50] <XXCoder> use lathe cnc make one
[03:05:51] <jdh> the guy at the bike store ruined his on my wheel. I don't think a ground one would do any better.
[03:06:06] <zeeshan> is it seized?
[03:06:25] <jdh> dunno.
[03:06:38] <jdh> it gets driven tight while riding.
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[03:06:48] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5441-12M-PROTO-1-2-DR-X-12MM-METRIC-HEX-BIT-SOCKET-/151290186752?hash=item2339990c00&item=151290186752&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
[03:06:49] <jdh> I think he was turning it the wrong way, but he did get one of them out.
[03:06:53] <zeeshan> you can get those from the local stores
[03:06:57] <zeeshan> impact it out
[03:10:23] <Jymmm> plasma torch it out!
[03:11:37] <MrHindsight> that's an offset hex bit socket :0
[03:12:08] <XXCoder> throw the whole thing away
[03:12:10] <XXCoder> buy new one.
[03:12:21] <Jymmm> buy new lathe
[03:12:30] <zeeshan> reprap it
[03:12:42] <XXCoder> lol reprap made lathe
[03:12:43] <MrHindsight> 3 available, this guy must really bend a lot of tools
[03:16:43] <humble_sea_bass> reprap the man you wnat to be
[03:17:04] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:199786
[03:17:12] <MrHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDYzWDUxMA==/z/~msAAOxyOa9R0Tzq/$T2eC16NHJHYFFkZzHr1KBR0Tzp0rZg~~60_12.JPG wirenut posting
[03:17:51] <XXCoder> :P
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[03:18:27] <MrHindsight> and they said repraps were useless <eye roll>
[03:18:35] <XXCoder> lol
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[03:19:23] <MrHindsight> well it keeps them occupied and off the streets, it could be worse
[03:20:50] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Monarch-Engine-lathe-Not-working-/161288640847 Monarch Engine lathe. Not working. why so much?
[03:21:10] <XXCoder> "has new motor"
[03:21:22] <MrHindsight> Transmission is broken
[03:21:33] <XXCoder> yeah I wouldnt buy a CAR with broken tranny
[03:21:37] <XXCoder> for 2k
[03:21:39] <MrHindsight> "sucker wanted"
[03:21:47] <XXCoder> unless its holy shit its house priced car
[03:22:15] <XXCoder> like $300,000 car with broken tranny I'd buy it for 2k lol
[03:22:17] <XXCoder> part em out
[03:22:27] <XXCoder> probably logo alone would go 2k lol
[03:22:49] <MrHindsight> Ferarri got flat tire, drives funny, best offer
[03:22:56] <XXCoder> one dollah!
[03:23:29] <MattyMatt> delorean, flux capacitor missing
[03:23:40] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CATERPILLAR-D6-CAT-BULL-DOZER-TRACTOR-EXCAVATOR-DOZER-/231213937394
[03:23:51] <MrHindsight> could be fun
[03:24:17] <XXCoder> $100! actualy if I had money I'd few it for few k. its awesome fun car (but never daily drive, its stainless steel shell is hella hard to fix
[03:24:42] <XXCoder> *buy
[03:24:43] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/26-MIXED-DIAL-INDICATORS-LOT-FEDERAL-STANDARD-GAGE-BROWNE-SHARPE/291132725065 Current bid:US $22.25
[03:24:59] <XXCoder> I wouldnt mind having onbe
[03:25:00] <humble_sea_bass> xx, you need to aim for fun cars mang
[03:25:08] <humble_sea_bass> not weird shit like that
[03:25:18] <XXCoder> volkwagon
[03:25:21] <zeeshan> is federal made in usa?
[03:25:44] <humble_sea_bass> 100% of that lot is in bad shape
[03:26:02] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lodge-Shipley-14-Lathe-with-12-chuck-taper-attachment-/161289591277 but the bed is shot
[03:26:08] <XXCoder> if it works it works, but dunno if working, or worth it. I would love to have one.
[03:26:28] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131175497305
[03:26:31] <jdh> cheap toy
[03:26:34] <jdh> if you are near there
[03:26:39] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: $100 loading fee
[03:26:55] <XXCoder> dunno if it applies even if you load it with your own equipment and crew
[03:27:08] <jdh> https://www.golemgear.com/p-220-armadilloccr-sidemount-system.aspx
[03:27:10] <jdh> <urk>
[03:27:16] <XXCoder> damn thats cheap
[03:27:37] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Milling-Machine-by-Bridgeport-/161289684314
[03:28:05] <MrHindsight> This machine in my estimation is to good to scrap. and $99 loading fee LOL
[03:28:09] <XXCoder> there'd be deals to be had if people could teleport.
[03:28:27] <zeeshan> thjats the smaller bridgeport
[03:28:41] <zeeshan> it doesnt look too bad
[03:28:43] <zeeshan> just dusty
[03:28:51] <zeeshan> and sitting for a while
[03:28:54] <zeeshan> all the way oil collects dust
[03:29:31] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fairbanks-Morse-Industrial-Scale-/161289807019?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258d9f24ab
[03:29:34] <zeeshan> finally found a scale
[03:29:35] <zeeshan> that would fit me
[03:29:41] <MrHindsight> jebesus people sell their broken collets and tool holders
[03:29:54] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: people are dumb
[03:30:00] <zeeshan> the ones that piss me off are the ones that sell old tools
[03:30:05] <zeeshan> for above retail prices or close to retail.
[03:30:14] <zeeshan> its like buddym its an indicator thats been used for 20 years
[03:30:17] <zeeshan> youre not gonna get 200$ for it.
[03:30:20] <zeeshan> more like 60$
[03:30:35] <zeeshan> or less
[03:30:36] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCRAP-METAL-/380882872652 For parts or not working
[03:31:09] <MrHindsight> well most of it is oxide
[03:32:11] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres cheap sources of alum slabs and such
[03:32:20] <XXCoder> so I could make stuff with em when I'm bit more skilled
[03:33:01] <MrHindsight> tjtr33:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sodick-A320-WIRE-EDM-/271466561182
[03:33:38] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fine-Sodick-Ram-Type-CNC-EDM-A5C-R-ATC-AS-IS/400261733783
[03:33:46] <MattyMatt> http://backyardmetalcasting.com/ chap alu slabs of any thickness
[03:35:14] <XXCoder> cheap or crap? or both? lol
[03:35:29] <XXCoder> actual;ly "crappy" is fine to me as long as its solid and not weird bent and stuff
[03:35:48] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KITAMURA-Mycenter-2-Vertical-CNC-FOR-PARTS-ONLY-/321371699409
[03:37:40] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Charmilles-Model-400-Eleroda-/181396719270
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[03:39:20] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: oh cast my own eh
[03:39:32] <XXCoder> wonder what sources I could use if I'd cast my own
[03:40:06] <deMimsy> wow, a lot more people in here than I expected...
[03:40:16] <XXCoder> more thn diycnc saly
[03:40:18] <XXCoder> sadly
[03:40:19] <tjtr33> MrHindsight, thx but i dont do wedm, thats the simple easy stuff, the reprap of edm. hehe
[03:40:33] <XXCoder> that channel is mostly slient even when its more generic channel than this
[03:41:05] <MrHindsight> there's a diycnc channel!?
[03:41:15] <XXCoder> ... surpise?
[03:41:19] <deMimsy> Does anyone know if it is possible to attach a callback function to when a HAL pin changes state?
[03:42:13] <MrHindsight> tjtr33: are those old Sodik wire machine worth anything or useful?
[03:42:58] <XXCoder> do people still use wire machines besides with foam?
[03:43:44] <XXCoder> of course I'm ingroant so probably used all time lol
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[03:45:42] <tjtr33> MrHindsight, if you need one, sink edm can do fine work on work that easily flexes ( no contact) , deep slots and square corners,
[03:45:42] <tjtr33> Sodick Inova is a good make, but some used weirdo memory that cant be bought.
[03:45:52] <XXCoder> I wonder if linuxcnc can be configured to use irc channel
[03:46:01] <XXCoder> so I can be informed with status as its working lol
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[03:46:12] <tjtr33> you want used wedm, come over and look at our refurbed agies
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[03:47:42] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/T3-786-Industrial-Tri-Axis-Robot-w-Controller-and-lots-more-pick-up-ONLY-/171315789405 here's a deal
[03:48:03] <XXCoder> so damn cheap
[03:48:06] <XXCoder> I think
[03:48:16] <XXCoder> too bad its billion miles away and million tons heavy
[03:48:17] <MrHindsight> We would like to know it finds a good home rather than a Terminator movie ending for it.
[03:48:32] <MrHindsight> we have this priced correctly, and less than scrap value in 2014
[03:50:15] <MrHindsight> something that size new is >$30K for even the most basic robot
[03:50:28] <tjtr33> MrHindsight, same as my unit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Hansvedt-MS60C-Sinker-EDM-/111238081734
[03:50:37] <XXCoder> wonder wehats broken in it
[03:50:41] <tjtr33> but 2k :)
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[03:51:49] <MrHindsight> nice, I just never really need one. Plus I'm working on things from the other direction, adding vs eroding
[03:52:09] <XXCoder> why nbot both ways lol
[03:52:19] <XXCoder> theres that fancy machine that does that
[03:52:59] <MrHindsight> yeah depends on the tech, sloppy additive with cutting tools for cleanup
[03:53:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:54:01] <MrHindsight> like the MIG type wire machines that make blobs of metal that need to be machined into finished parts
[03:54:47] <XXCoder> someone linked me video of machine that welded pipe to have funnel with small pipe connectors around it
[03:55:04] <XXCoder> something that'd have to be cast or machined out of HUGE chunk of metal
[03:55:17] <MrHindsight> dmls + 5 axis mill
[03:55:34] <XXCoder> then it milled surfaces so its smooth. it left external bit rough
[03:56:45] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsEqKbNalh4 this type uses SLS and milling
[03:57:11] <XXCoder> gonna love corprate machinist ads
[03:57:17] <XXCoder> thats different one
[03:57:24] <XXCoder> nice though
[03:57:32] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA think yours was this
[03:57:48] <XXCoder> wish it was actually mine lol watching
[03:58:28] <MrHindsight> this is the tech I work on, hybrid additive manufacturing
[03:58:35] <XXCoder> yep that video!
[03:58:55] <XXCoder> is funnel correct word for that pipe shape? increasing diameter
[03:59:14] <MrHindsight> or conical
[03:59:19] <tjtr33> reducer
[03:59:20] <XXCoder> cool
[03:59:25] <MrHindsight> tapered
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[03:59:54] <XXCoder> anyway its pretty damn complex shape
[04:00:05] <XXCoder> even cast molding'd have hard time a bit
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[04:00:19] <MrHindsight> well you can print parts that you can machine
[04:00:30] <MrHindsight> can't machine
[04:00:45] <XXCoder> yeah but that machines awesome
[04:00:48] <MrHindsight> you could print parts inside of parts and then close them up
[04:00:49] <XXCoder> one shot everything
[04:01:35] <XXCoder> wonder if first link (one with layers and weld) you could make working gears as is lol
[04:01:44] <XXCoder> meaning within case and allk
[04:02:12] <MrHindsight> sure, depends on the precision of the deposition
[04:02:18] <tjtr33> twincat cnc on the dmg-mori?
[04:02:27] <MrHindsight> you can with the powder SLS and mill
[04:02:28] <XXCoder> yeah. LOT of cnc stuff depends on precisionm.
[04:03:09] <tjtr33> that _is_ a pretty machine
[04:03:32] <MrHindsight> if you print gears you need that gap where they mesh or between bearing and race
[04:03:50] <XXCoder> and a way to properly drain it of that sandlike stuff
[04:04:07] <XXCoder> probably just holes
[04:04:38] <MrHindsight> but printing metal parts with different alloys in the same part is possible, but treating them for hardness is another story
[04:04:55] <MrHindsight> metal powder
[04:06:23] <MrHindsight> the part could then be placed in another 3d printer to have rubber handles printed on
[04:06:27] <MattyMatt> you could mix in tungsten carbide powder for hardness
[04:06:42] <MrHindsight> or decorative powder coat with text and graphics
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[04:09:50] <MattyMatt> enamelled all over, could make some pretty machines
[04:12:55] <MrHindsight> machining isn't just milling it takes lots of different tools to make things, it's the same for 3d printing, FDM is just one tool in the drawer
[04:13:23] <XXCoder> not surpised
[04:13:40] <XXCoder> I'm just having fun really with building cnc and evenually operating it
[04:13:45] <MattyMatt> if you tried to do that DMLS with a oxy/acet flame, would it blow material out of the meltzone quicker than you could spray it?
[04:13:47] <XXCoder> I'll be starting off with scrap wood
[04:13:59] <MrHindsight> but that crowd makes it sound like the screwdriver is going to change the world
[04:14:05] <MattyMatt> me too, that's exactly what I did
[04:14:23] <MattyMatt> wooden cnc, which I used to make a wooden reprap
[04:14:30] <XXCoder> matty was that to me or ahh cool :)
[04:14:47] <MrHindsight> depends on the gas velocity
[04:15:42] <MrHindsight> if you fed a wire it would work just like brazing or gas welding
[04:15:54] <MattyMatt> arr
[04:16:26] <MattyMatt> so an arc would be just as useful? I've seen mig prints and they aren't pretty. they look like 100% clinker
[04:17:00] <MattyMatt> that might just be on the surface tho, I haven't seen one sawn in half
[04:17:07] <MrHindsight> they can be pretty or pretty ugly, depends on the conditions
[04:17:17] <tjtr33> add/sub mfctrs
http://www.mmsonline.com/blog/post/additive-and-subtractive-together-including-by-retrofit cnvrt old cnc to new tech
[04:18:16] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140428-straw-based-3d-printer-filament-will-cost-half-the-price-of-pla.html interesting
[04:18:54] <MrHindsight> if you feed an FDM pellets then even PLA is ~$2/lb
[04:19:15] <MrHindsight> it's the goofy filament that has to be extruded first
[04:19:29] <XXCoder> yeah theres few projects that do exactly that
[04:19:41] <XXCoder> if I ever make printer I'll make it to use milk bottles plastic
[04:19:54] <MrHindsight> PET
[04:20:23] <MattyMatt> you can print with pellets if your printer is big enough to carry the screw extruder
[04:21:06] <MattyMatt> http://vimeo.com/33026239
[04:21:14] <XXCoder> wonder if you could combine extuder with printer head so you just pour pellets and it prints
[04:21:15] <MrHindsight> grind the pellets into powder and SLS them
[04:22:16] <MrHindsight> higher res and faster process
[04:22:25] <XXCoder> sls?
[04:22:34] <MrHindsight> laser sinter
[04:22:43] <XXCoder> ahh
[04:23:19] <XXCoder> I love how printing makes stuff previously impossible without triuck
[04:23:50] <MattyMatt> I think most of us are waiting for laser diodes to get cheap enough
[04:24:00] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD9-QEo-qDk
[04:24:01] <MattyMatt> and big enough
[04:24:02] <XXCoder> just buy dvd drive
[04:24:21] <XXCoder> or scrap one from broken one (must be broken elsewhere)
[04:24:24] <tjtr33> MrHindsight, add/sub repair of turbine blades
http://utwired.engr.utexas.edu/lff/symposium/proceedingsArchive/pubs/Manuscripts/2012/2012-62-Jones.pdf
[04:25:12] <tjtr33> found at
http://utwired.engr.utexas.edu/lff/symposium/
[04:25:40] <XXCoder> http://builders.reprap.org/2010/03/selective-laser-sintering-printer-part.html
[04:25:51] <tjtr33> aug 4-6 UT Audtin Tx
[04:25:59] <tjtr33> Austin
[04:27:39] <MrHindsight> MattyMatt: so I have some time until there are several thousand know-it-alls with bad SLS designs being peddled in reprap?
[04:28:12] <MrHindsight> enjoying the peace
[04:28:32] <MattyMatt> not much. someone's getting an 8W fibre laser to try. if that works, it's time
[04:29:06] <MrHindsight> they always manage to screw it up somehow
[04:29:23] <MrHindsight> it's only been around for 20+ years
[04:29:26] <MattyMatt> no one gets out of here alivce
[04:30:30] <MrHindsight> then it's maker powder, maker lasers, maker galvos
[04:31:06] <MattyMatt> I'm reporting you to superawsome sylvia
[04:31:19] <MrHindsight> and everyone complaining about loss of vision, why the layers don't stick and the bad odors
[04:32:33] <XXCoder> yeah thats why while I want laser cutter I dont think I will have one :(
[04:32:49] <XXCoder> so much risk. as a deaf person I REALLY dont wanna damage my eyes
[04:33:08] <MattyMatt> lungs is your big worry
[04:33:16] <MrHindsight> the worst they could do with a glue gun was get blisters from the hot nozzles
[04:33:50] <MrHindsight> now it's going to be "I can't see of the laser is on"
[04:34:05] <XXCoder> grammar error included
[04:34:13] <MattyMatt> if you're deaf you should specialise in broaching
[04:34:16] <MrHindsight> heh
[04:34:21] <XXCoder> broaching?
[04:34:51] <MattyMatt> brute force cutting of gear teeth and square holes etc
[04:34:51] <MrHindsight> or maybe a punch press
[04:35:03] <XXCoder> matt guessing its real loud
[04:35:42] <MattyMatt> that's what I hear, excuse the expression
[04:37:19] <MattyMatt> reprap suffers from being desired as office equipment, but it needs a light workshop environment to be built and maintained
[04:38:05] <MattyMatt> kinda like computers
[04:39:05] <MrHindsight> passing fad, the hype only attracts people for so long, then when they realize they have been hoodwinked move on
[04:39:32] <MattyMatt> they might catch on in kitchens
[04:39:53] <XXCoder> the first assumation should be ALWAYS "it will be useless"
[04:40:20] <XXCoder> I assumed my cnc would be useless first. I decided to go for it anyway, for shit and giggles and build skills
[04:40:52] <tjtr33> foam poop/concrete poop additive robot
http://taubmancollege.umich.edu/digital_tech/digital_fablab/blog/0909-1209/video/
[04:41:07] <MattyMatt> I hoped mine would be more useful. it's turned out just stiff enough to mill wood like it's made of
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[04:41:19] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130819-gartner-2013-hype-cycle-for-emerging-technologies-features-humans-and-machines.html
[04:41:30] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images/hype-cycle-pr.png
[04:41:35] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: did you use boxed gantry design? I plan to do so so its much stiffer
[04:42:26] <MattyMatt> http://i.imgur.com/qJOUQlh.jpg?1
[04:42:35] <MattyMatt> gantry is still just a plank
[04:42:49] <MattyMatt> with a drawer slide
[04:42:50] <XXCoder> pretty loose
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[04:44:33] <tjtr33> i like the hype cycle chart, but it smashes some of my fav's ( speech2speech/bablefish , wearables)
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[04:48:14] <MattyMatt> the level of expectation of all of those is set by the gold standard, Star Trek
[04:49:00] <MrHindsight> well Gartner is also pretty full of himself, he thinks he knows the tech but he's often wrong
[04:49:44] <tjtr33> dammit replicator i wanted exspresso con grappa, this is williams!
[04:50:01] <MrHindsight> I met him last year in Beijing at the 3dp conference
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[04:50:28] <MrHindsight> no real idea of where tech is going, he just has history
[04:51:09] <MrHindsight> he just looks back and sells reports
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[04:53:04] <XXCoder> http://www.swri.org/vidclip/html/mds.htm
[04:54:30] <MrHindsight> you're not going to see lots of new hybrid additive manufacturing tech in the US since the patent holders don't get along or don't share
[04:54:32] <tjtr33> real banana oil
[04:55:08] <XXCoder> too bad it wasnt MBS. I'd call it magic banana slick
[04:55:16] <MattyMatt> noboby can stop you mounting an additive head on your machine
[04:55:50] * MattyMatt duct tapes mig torch to BT40 taper
[04:56:01] <tjtr33> i took away the common idea that there'd be 3 heads, add , sub, & probe
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[04:57:19] <XXCoder> add 3d scanner head
[04:57:34] <XXCoder> so it can check whats going on lol
[04:57:39] <MrHindsight> and or cameras
[04:58:12] <MrHindsight> doing that now, scanning for defects and reworking those areas
[04:58:37] <XXCoder> well night
[04:58:52] <MrHindsight> like the way industrial inkjets watch for dropped nozzels
[04:58:57] <tjtr33> gnite
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[05:03:46] <MattyMatt> I think 3d printing is here to stay, the traditional 2d printer makers like HP and Epson will clean up the consumer market
[05:04:50] <MattyMatt> the ability to print toys is a compelling reason to buy one, now Daddy!
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[06:52:12] <Jymmm> crap =(
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[07:17:17] <witnit> jymmm ?
[07:17:51] <Jymmm> All the engineering that went into the rail light I got, they fucked up and put in the cheapest and intermittant on/off button they could so if you just BUMP the light, it flips from solid to flashing
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[07:18:05] <witnit> hahahah
[07:18:13] <witnit> so shmart
[07:18:42] <Jymmm> Yeah, I'm not happy at all.
[07:20:01] <Jymmm> The aluminum rail is good, the latch has a VERY strong spring, but the button and WX sealing isn't up to snuff.
[07:20:11] <Einar> It's the metal in the contacts (or coating). I like these cheap little LED flashlights. Good enough for a lot of things. But they develop bad battery contacts faster than a teenager does zits!
[07:20:57] <Jymmm> This is a rail light, slightly different usage
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[07:21:23] <Einar> But probably same parts department.
[07:23:44] * archivist imagines teenagers collecting zits for a hobby
[07:24:14] <Einar> It may also be software. I have a couple of LedLenser's. The biggest does not want to run the batteries fully down. It starts to go blinky when the light output is still acceptable. I dont *always* want to go around with a searchlight on my forehead.
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[07:24:43] <Einar> archivist: You were never a teenager?
[07:25:15] <archivist> there is a difference between having and collecting
[07:25:20] <Einar> It was a very common although not popular one back when I was.
[07:28:03] <Einar> Jymm: If the product otherwise is good. Could you do like with chinese tools: consider it a not finshed product and put in a better switch?
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[10:13:59] <witnit_> mojn!
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[11:45:47] <MattyMatt> http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=23&product_id=3307_0 these people reckon their 1067 driver can run a 1.8deg stepper at 4688RPM. they can't be serious can they?
[11:46:56] <MattyMatt> I think they've simply taken the max stepping rate of the driver, and ignored the torque curve of the motor
[11:48:09] <MattyMatt> but still, $18 for a chunky nema23. not a bad deal
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[12:34:46] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Yep. 250000 1/16th steps per second for a 1.8 degree motor is 78 rotations per second, or 4687.5 rpm :)
[12:35:28] <malcom2073> That's as much asI paid for my nema17's though, good price.
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[12:39:47] <jdh> wouldn't Nm be the normal units?
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[12:45:03] <MattyMatt> in SI
[12:45:25] <MattyMatt> Nm instead of "chunky" you mean?
[12:45:26] <jdh> well, if you aren't goign to use SI, you should at least use real units like we do.
[12:46:49] <archivist> you often dont use the real units, you change the size to get bigger numbers
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[12:50:17] <malcom2073> Marketing 101 there
[12:50:35] * archivist throws an imperal gallon at jdh
[12:51:33] <MattyMatt> firkins per foot per fortnight
[12:51:51] <MattyMatt> hang on, firkin is measure of volume
[12:52:09] <archivist> are you firkin sure :)
[12:52:11] <jdh> firkins of vodka
[12:52:20] <MattyMatt> full firkins per foot per fortnight
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[12:53:01] <XXCoder> four forks per firkins
[12:53:14] <XXCoder> four full forks per firkins
[12:53:28] <XXCoder> wonder if thats toughuetwister
[12:54:17] <MattyMatt> you can make tongue twister for a single fork, and a drill
[12:54:24] <XXCoder> lol
[12:55:36] <archivist> there was a song about the best forking forker in the whole forking land about a fork lift driver
[12:55:53] <XXCoder> fucking forking forker
[12:56:27] <XXCoder> there is fingerspell handtwisters too but its very rare and diffult to find
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[14:20:04] <Loetmichel> *tinker* *solder* "Ha, it works!" ... now i have an ibm x21 with wifi ;-) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14865 ( the cabling will get covered)
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[14:31:12] <Loetmichel> *gnah* making an image of the xp partition (9,7gb) on the silver/black 32gb thumb drive... and the x21 has only usb 1.1 ... *waaaaiting* ;-)
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[14:32:15] <cradek> Loetmichel: that's quite the thing. I just stick a pccard in mine...
[14:32:36] <Loetmichel> cradek: isnt recognized by acronis
[14:32:40] <Loetmichel> have one here ;-)
[14:32:41] <cradek> is that already usb at the top of the screen?
[14:32:50] <cradek> what's acronis?
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[14:34:56] <Loetmichel> acronis is the image software
[14:35:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Does your X21 have built in wifi?
[14:35:13] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: NOW it has
[14:35:18] <cradek> haha
[14:35:22] <Loetmichel> thats the point ;-)
[14:35:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: INTERNAL?
[14:35:28] <cradek> I can tell Jymmm didn't look at the picture
[14:35:28] <Loetmichel> no, not internally
[14:35:35] <Loetmichel> glued to the lid ;-)
[14:35:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yeah, not what I'm talking about =)
[14:36:01] <Loetmichel> you didnt see the pic?
[14:36:05] <Loetmichel> click on the link
[14:36:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I read that some did come with it
[14:36:21] <cradek> well I think they have mini-pci...?
[14:36:30] <cradek> so you can just plug it in, if you can find somewhere to put the antenna
[14:36:36] <Loetmichel> there IS a internal combo card wifi and 100Mbit rj45
[14:36:45] <Loetmichel> but you will loose the analog modem then
[14:36:57] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I dont have an issue with that =)
[14:37:06] <Loetmichel> which is on the now builtin combo card 100mbit and modem card ;-)
[14:37:17] <cradek> but how do you send faxes?!?
[14:37:53] <Jymmm> cradek: mailto:9005551000@my.faxserver.tld
[14:37:55] <Loetmichel> anyways : this one ha no preinstalled wifi antenna
[14:38:00] <Loetmichel> so the card wouldn work
[14:38:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I thought I saw the antenna, but I really didn't take it fully apart.
[14:39:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I can run a wire out to the LCD for an antenna
[14:39:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If you come across the wifi model PN, let me know.
[14:40:04] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: look on ebay
[14:40:17] <Loetmichel> seen some searching for a 256 MB ram module
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[14:41:16] <Jymmm> http://www.pelltechnology.net/IBM/Laptop/IBM-Notebook-Handhelds-ThinkPad-X-Series-X21-2662/IBM-ThinkPad-X21-2662-Internal-WiFi-Wireless-LAN-Card-P128426.asp
[14:41:18] <Loetmichel> ah, you need the part number
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[14:42:08] <Loetmichel> that card is not a combo with the 100mbit
[14:42:19] <Loetmichel> so you will loose the wired lan port
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[15:15:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: oh, nm =) I lust my ethernet =)
[15:16:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Honestly, I jsut wish it had some balls to it (X21)
[15:16:40] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[15:16:45] <Loetmichel> why balls?
[15:16:50] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PO4pciwvE
[15:16:57] <Loetmichel> the x21 is so old, its just barely useable
[15:17:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's super light/thin
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[15:17:16] <Jymmm> adn I have a docking station for it =)
[15:17:20] <Loetmichel> so buy an used x60s
[15:17:40] <Jymmm> Screw that, know overheating issues
[15:17:47] <Jymmm> known*
[15:17:53] <Jymmm> Wait, T61
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[15:20:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I'd like to turn it into a intelligent "dumb terminal"
[15:20:34] <Loetmichel> i have an x60s. never had overheating isssues
[15:20:44] <Jymmm> T60
[15:20:49] <Loetmichel> and its the same size and sturdi
[15:20:59] <Loetmichel> sturdyness as the x21
[15:22:14] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Hey, what does the port on the top of the LCD have?
[15:22:27] <Loetmichel> usb 1.1
[15:22:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: anything else?
[15:22:34] <Loetmichel> and some unkown pins
[15:22:38] <Jymmm> oh
[15:22:41] <Jymmm> Hmmm
[15:23:07] <Loetmichel> http://blog.christian-stankowic.de/?tag=thinkpad&paged=3
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[15:34:48] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You dont have the original recovery discs do you?
[15:34:59] <Loetmichel> no, sorry
[15:35:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's all good =)
[15:35:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The X21 Service Manual doens't even mention the port
[15:36:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: X21 Hardware Maintenance Manual (5.55MB)
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/24p2975.pdf
[15:36:41] <Loetmichel> dont need that
[15:36:53] <Loetmichel> i am dismantling laptops for a living
[15:37:00] <Jymmm> Fine, see how you are!
[15:37:12] <Loetmichel> havent found one jet that wasnt seöf-explaining how to repair it ;-)
[15:37:19] <Loetmichel> self
[15:37:40] <Loetmichel> thanks anyway
[15:37:53] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It ca STILL be a bitch to get to the battery sometimes though =)
[15:38:25] <Loetmichel> btw:that is/was a 4500 eur Dell mobile workstation. factory NEW->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14214
[15:38:41] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: have you noticed if any of the laptops use thermally conductive plastics for the case?
[15:38:53] <Loetmichel> no ordinary ones
[15:39:17] <Loetmichel> i had some rugged/military ones that had a metal case that was desinged as emergency cooling
[15:39:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I think I'll toss in a CF card and boot from it =)
[15:39:49] <Loetmichel> i would look for a ide ssd if i were you
[15:39:59] <Loetmichel> the cf port is awfully slow
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[15:40:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Nah, I'll just use knoppix
[15:40:19] <Jymmm> really? that slow?
[15:40:30] <Loetmichel> iirc abouit 3mb/sec
[15:40:34] <Loetmichel> reading
[15:40:53] <Loetmichel> 8 minutes, then the image is done
[15:40:57] <Loetmichel> i can check it
[15:41:00] <Jymmm> k
[15:41:30] <Loetmichel> ... if i find the /"§$"/§$ cf card i should have somewhere ;-)
[15:41:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you should have just cloned the drive insteado f going thru usb port =)
[15:41:44] <Loetmichel> cloning?
[15:41:55] <Jymmm> imaged it
[15:43:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I use sysresccd.org and partimage on it.
[15:43:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I LOVE that thing!!! Even has a netboot server =)
[15:43:53] <Loetmichel> i should have used the 100Mbit port and saved the iamge on the server here
[15:44:06] <Loetmichel> taht would have been faster than usb 1.1, right ;)
[15:44:25] <Jymmm> or just pulled the hdd and used IDE =)
[15:44:48] <Loetmichel> i just making an image because i intend to install xubuntu 14.04 in a few minutes...
[15:45:12] <Loetmichel> and if something goes wrong with the resizing of the xppartition i want to have a backup ;-)
[15:45:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Let me know how that works and if it detects all the HW correctly
[15:45:57] <Loetmichel> i will
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[15:46:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I have a docking station for mine with FDD and DVD too
[15:47:01] <Loetmichel> first caveant: an x21 cant boot from a thumbdrive
[15:47:12] <Loetmichel> so i have to burn an alternate install cd
[15:47:15] <Jymmm> but I think it can from CF
[15:47:18] <Loetmichel> for lubuntu
[15:47:28] <Loetmichel> i cant find the CF card
[15:47:33] <Jymmm> DOH
[15:49:19] <Loetmichel> found it
[15:49:26] <Jymmm> WOOHOO
[15:49:50] <Loetmichel> ... in the old digicam. But 64 MB will not help much ;-)
[15:50:21] <cradek> Loetmichel: neat, thanks
[15:50:32] <Jymmm> I think I have 128MB =)
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[15:52:03] <Jymmm> Heh, Frys has a 8GB for $20, probably won't even see it =)
[15:53:25] <Jymmm> Bastards... DX has uSD to CF for $15 WTH, should be $2 =)
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[16:08:50] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: nice: lubuntu alternate install loads, AND recognizes the wlan stick... reducuing the xp partition now...
[16:09:14] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: from a 64MB CF card?
[16:09:22] <Loetmichel> jo, from cd
[16:09:25] <Loetmichel> no
[16:09:29] <Jymmm> oh =(
[16:09:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: still cool =)
[16:10:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Did it autoconfgure the wlan or did you have to go in and select it?
[16:10:22] <Loetmichel> but if you have no ultrabase: any normal usb cd/dvd sghould work
[16:10:31] <Loetmichel> the x21 CAN boot from usb cdroms
[16:10:40] <Loetmichel> autoconfig
[16:10:43] <Jymmm> nice
[16:10:55] <Loetmichel> just have to say "use the wlan" instead of the cable
[16:11:08] <Jymmm> I have the docking station, and I also have my ZELMAN too =)
[16:11:11] <Loetmichel> and then it asked which ssid and which passphrase
[16:11:14] <Loetmichel> really nice
[16:11:22] <Jymmm> cool
[16:11:55] <skunkworks__> logger[psha],
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[16:30:00] <deMimsy> So I can use the "get" function to get the state of a hal pin in Python/Gladevcp, are there other functions such as getting the name? Is there a man page for hal pin functions?
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[16:35:10] <deMimsy> Basically I would like to create a callback function to handle any pin changes, but i need a way to address which pin is sending the signal
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[16:44:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:45:28] <Deejay> hi
[16:46:35] <IchGuckLive> hi demi
[16:47:19] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: where are you in the world
[16:47:32] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[16:48:00] <deMimsy> I am in California,Usa
[16:48:12] <IchGuckLive> oh hot space and firer all over
[16:48:26] <IchGuckLive> im working for a company in toledo
[16:48:29] <deMimsy> haha, just about. we are getting a lot of wind blowing around dust right now
[16:48:34] <IchGuckLive> sorry torrence
[16:49:07] <IchGuckLive> so you are getting to the halpins
[16:49:13] <deMimsy> remotely?
[16:49:18] <deMimsy> yes i am
[16:49:25] <IchGuckLive> what is the main goal you are trying to get about the state of pins
[16:49:47] <IchGuckLive> did you get some specific target like pendand
[16:49:55] <deMimsy> I run my own gui con-current with axis
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[16:50:21] <IchGuckLive> nice
[16:50:27] <deMimsy> I do have a pendant, and I can read the keypad just fine, and output it back to the system
[16:50:55] <IchGuckLive> so you are stuck somewhere
[16:51:01] <deMimsy> but it requires having an individual callback function(value-changed) for each pin
[16:51:13] <deMimsy> Not stuck, jsut really dont like this implementation
[16:51:35] <IchGuckLive> its not the way the system is designed to
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[16:51:46] <deMimsy> wanted to clean it up. I can connect every pin to the same call back function. But I have no way of knowing which pin triggered the function
[16:51:49] <IchGuckLive> but you can forece a changew by python
[16:52:01] <deMimsy> yes
[16:52:04] <IchGuckLive> but this is triggering outside the system
[16:52:24] <IchGuckLive> so im asking ones more what pins are the target
[16:52:34] <IchGuckLive> spindle releaded
[16:52:49] <deMimsy> the pins are for individual keys on the pendant
[16:53:34] <IchGuckLive> this is on page 158 in integreater manual target is mdi and direct action
[16:53:52] <IchGuckLive> there is also a pin for giveing the state back of all haluii
[16:54:15] <IchGuckLive> this state pins are ypour goal
[16:54:57] <deMimsy> i am not familiar with that manual, do you have a link to it?
[16:55:18] <IchGuckLive> if ypouo got a I/o you can trigger them direct without python
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[16:55:48] <IchGuckLive> yust klick aplication cnc and intecrater manual
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[16:56:39] <IchGuckLive> by the way what version are you on with linuxccn
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[16:57:18] <deMimsy> cool thanks, found it
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[16:57:37] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: are you using parport or other BOB
[16:57:55] <IchGuckLive> hi kb8wmc
[16:58:26] <deMimsy> using 2.5.3
[16:58:31] <IchGuckLive> fine
[16:59:10] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: i got a youtibe channel setup for lots of eng language tutorials
http://www.youtube.com/user/magic33de/videos
[17:00:14] <deMimsy> That is a great contribution to the community!
[17:01:06] <IchGuckLive> thanks can you please answer the I/o question for community info
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[17:04:38] <Jymmm> cradek:
http://i60.tinypic.com/s2qozl.jpg
[17:06:14] <deMimsy> I can trigger i/o without python. But to interface with the gui I am trying to create a collective handler for a set of i/o
[17:06:40] <deMimsy> so in python:
[17:07:22] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hello there sir, how you today?
[17:07:47] <deMimsy> self.test_trigger = hal_glib.GPin(halcomp.newpin('KEY_A', hal.HAL_BIT, hal.HAL_IN)
[17:07:48] <IchGuckLive> ok up to you deMimsy
[17:08:34] <deMimsy> self.test_trigger.connect('value-changed', self._test_trigger_change)
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[17:09:16] <deMimsy> inside the trigger change call back function I would like to be able to get the name of the pin, in this case 'KEY_A'
[17:09:59] <deMimsy> I onl know how to get the value of the pin thus far (hal_pin.get())
[17:10:25] <deMimsy> just trying to find if there is a "hal_pin.name()" function or similar
[17:11:07] <IchGuckLive> normal way is direct the hal signal to yoour python and read it out by a function #
[17:12:01] <IchGuckLive> so your custompostgui does get the signal to your python where you can access it
[17:12:25] <deMimsy> yes, i get the signal
[17:12:45] <deMimsy> this has been confirmed with prints/debugging
[17:13:20] <IchGuckLive> and then the python gives back another siognal towards the pistgui and halui
[17:13:32] <IchGuckLive> and the statereport is the full close lop
[17:14:13] <deMimsy> python just checks to see if that signal is high or not, and prints a message accordingly
[17:14:54] <deMimsy> if i could find the python file that has the "get" function, that would help too
[17:15:16] <IchGuckLive> there is no get function needed
[17:16:49] <IchGuckLive> import hal
[17:17:07] <IchGuckLive> c = hal.component("mimsky")
[17:17:20] <IchGuckLive> c.newpin("xpos",hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_IN)
[17:17:25] <IchGuckLive> thats all
[17:17:48] <IchGuckLive> then you can do in python what you want
[17:18:30] <IchGuckLive> you diraect the pin thru a privat component callet mimsky
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[17:20:02] <_methods> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload
[17:20:09] <deMimsy> when using a callback function though, i am trying to get the name and state of the pin
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[17:22:12] <IchGuckLive> you need to tell hal first your name of the pin then it gives you the signaöl
[17:22:30] <IchGuckLive> _methods: thats a great challenge they are on
[17:23:29] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: after compiling your own hal component it is only loaded in the main hal by loadusr mimsky
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[17:26:34] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: klick on my nick
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[17:29:40] <narogon> hi
[17:29:50] <narogon> i'm having some problems with my own .ini configuration
[17:30:07] <IchGuckLive> we will help yoou
[17:30:15] <IchGuckLive> can you upload it
[17:30:19] <narogon> yes
[17:30:25] <jdh> you could pastebin your .ini and the associated errors.
[17:31:47] <narogon> .ini file
[17:31:48] <narogon> http://pastebin.com/JUj47a1h
[17:32:28] <IchGuckLive> BASE_PERIOD = 0
[17:32:39] <IchGuckLive> get at least 10000
[17:32:54] <IchGuckLive> narogon: what is your jitter
[17:33:15] <narogon> .hal file
[17:33:16] <narogon> http://pastebin.com/2gKBr8Vm
[17:33:23] <IchGuckLive> 100mm per sec
[17:33:35] <narogon> it's only a test file
[17:33:47] <narogon> i'm using ethercat
[17:34:01] <narogon> and for now i can control everything using halcmd
[17:34:07] <IchGuckLive> SCALE = 1
[17:34:12] <IchGuckLive> 1 step per mm
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[17:34:34] <narogon> even i've created some comp files for testing cinematics from halcmd
[17:34:36] <IchGuckLive> nara where are you in the world
[17:34:39] <narogon> using some pyvcp
[17:35:12] <narogon> and now i want to connect it with linuxcnc
[17:35:26] <IchGuckLive> only one axis
[17:35:38] <narogon> i'm testing with only one axis
[17:35:44] <narogon> to text if everything it's ok
[17:36:12] <IchGuckLive> yu can tast the full ini hal with all axis inside and only one connected
[17:36:58] <IchGuckLive> narogon: loadusr is not alowed bevor skin
[17:37:22] <IchGuckLive> this are germen net names können wir deusch reden
[17:38:01] <IchGuckLive> this files are one miss
[17:38:42] <narogon> the ethercat_config_n.xml
[17:38:47] <narogon> is my configuration for ethercat driver
[17:38:49] <narogon> lcec
[17:38:59] <narogon> it works in halcmd perfect
[17:39:19] <IchGuckLive> all clear but it is not in the needed syntax for the interpreter to get setup
[17:40:04] <narogon> some var names are in german because i've copied it from a german hal file
[17:40:14] <narogon> roschi the master of ethercat and linuxcnc heheheheh
[17:40:31] <IchGuckLive> i know him
[17:41:00] <IchGuckLive> if you take his file and do not copy it it will drive your tewst
[17:41:37] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EtherCatDriver
[17:42:35] <narogon> my problem is not with ethercatdriver
[17:42:35] <narogon> i've tested it perfectly in halcmd
[17:42:35] <narogon> I've even move the robot and no problem
[17:42:35] <IchGuckLive> your problem is the setu p
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[17:42:46] <narogon> the problem is when i tried to start linuxcnc
[17:42:57] <narogon> it says that
[17:43:11] <IchGuckLive> the vinterpreter got no servo tread but loadusr did request it
[17:44:18] <narogon> here are the roschi's files
[17:44:55] <narogon> http://roschi.eu/~schiffler/retrofit/
[17:45:12] <narogon> roschi_cnc.ini roschi_cnc_estun.hal
[17:45:17] <narogon> he uses loadusr
[17:45:24] <narogon> and he hasn't any problem
[17:45:26] <narogon> with it
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[17:47:43] <IchGuckLive> he also intersected bevor servo traed you not
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[17:49:04] <deMimsy> solution: to get the name of GPin object in python: get_name()
[17:49:37] <deMimsy> Other pin functions include:
[17:49:38] <deMimsy> 'get', 'set', 'get_type', 'get_name', 'get_dir', 'is_pin', '__repr__'
[17:51:28] <IchGuckLive> narogon:
http://pastebin.com/87K5brJE
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[17:52:49] <narogon> what is the difference between this one
[17:52:51] <narogon> and mine?
[17:53:04] <narogon> I can't see where the problem is
[17:53:06] <narogon> :S
[17:53:07] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: why dont you simply work with your own component piins insted to force th interpreter to intersect
[17:53:31] <IchGuckLive> narogon: the syntay following
[17:53:52] <narogon> the addf function before the net and setp????
[17:54:20] <IchGuckLive> addf lcec.read-all servo-thread
[17:55:05] <IchGuckLive> this one is prior to set the the module in wait state
[17:55:05] <narogon> i'm going to try it
[17:55:36] <IchGuckLive> then the motion controller is loaded and then the states are putted out to the etercat
[17:56:02] <IchGuckLive> narogon: see this file as a top down workflow
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[17:57:28] <narogon> it doesn't seem to be the problem
[17:57:57] <IchGuckLive> did you change the ini also
[17:58:17] <narogon> what do i have to change in ini file?
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[17:59:49] <narogon> this is what it sais:
http://pastebin.com/5AU3FgnB
[18:02:48] <jdh> where did you get your initial .ini file?
[18:03:07] <narogon> i modify roschi's one
[18:03:25] <IchGuckLive> you can leve his one comledly onchanged
[18:04:04] <IchGuckLive> narogon: why dident you use the 2.5.3
[18:04:33] <narogon> because sittner modifications to include ethercat driver
[18:04:37] <narogon> are made over 2.6.0
[18:04:57] <narogon> i download directly from git sittner page
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[18:05:15] <narogon> roschi uses 2.6.0 also
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[18:05:38] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: have you ever come across these in use?
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/cv/powertrain/injection-systems-and-components/smart-injector-diesel-engines/
[18:05:41] <IchGuckLive> 2.6.0-pre changes daily
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[18:06:18] <IchGuckLive> narogon: he did a E-chain plc over classic ladder
[18:06:32] <IchGuckLive> you said in halcmd the robot moved
[18:07:16] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: sorry I meant zeeshan
[18:07:34] <IchGuckLive> net ec_up lcec.state-op => classicladder.0.in-00 => lcec.0.0.drivecontrol-0
[18:07:53] <narogon> yes, i have a pyvcp panel where i command x y z positions, a comp kinematics file that i've created transform it to position command of the drives
[18:08:09] <narogon> the question is
[18:08:21] <narogon> what are the minimum signals that may be connected
[18:08:24] <narogon> to run linuxcnc???
[18:08:37] <IchGuckLive> estop_out
[18:08:48] <IchGuckLive> net estop_out classicladder.0.out-00 => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
[18:09:27] <narogon> more specifically to open linuxcnc even if it doesn't work or command position
[18:09:37] <IchGuckLive> coustom postgui he connected the chain
[18:09:38] <narogon> to discard other problems
[18:09:56] <CaptHindsight> narogon: you don't have to have a machine connected
[18:10:18] <IchGuckLive> remove the hal file in in i
[18:10:46] <IchGuckLive> leve couctom postgui but clear the file
[18:11:04] <IchGuckLive> then it shoudt startup
[18:11:15] <IchGuckLive> if you change the filepath to yours
[18:11:51] <IchGuckLive> loadusr -W lcec_conf /root/linuxcnc/configs/roschi_cnc/ethercat_config_estun.xml
[18:12:23] <narogon> if i comment halfile and clear postgui_halfile
[18:12:28] <narogon> it doesn't start
[18:12:51] <narogon> it says waiting for s.axes
[18:12:58] <IchGuckLive> no you need to have the llece set up
[18:13:24] <IchGuckLive> its waiting for back and forthe info
[18:13:44] <IchGuckLive> you also need to have the etercat powerd
[18:14:00] <IchGuckLive> that seams to be the case
[18:14:58] <IchGuckLive> i need to leve the channel
[18:15:05] <IchGuckLive> BYE for today
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[18:15:27] <narogon> thanks for your help IchGuckLive
[18:17:28] <narogon> jdh CaptHindsight do you have any idea where could the problem be?
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[18:23:20] <CaptHindsight> narogon: I've never used that panel
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[18:24:13] <narogon> I want to use the standard panel!! what panel do you mean?
[18:25:49] <CaptHindsight> I'm still reading the backlog
[18:26:22] <narogon> ok thanks
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[18:32:08] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i am pretty sure the new mazda 6 diesel uses that
[18:32:14] <zeeshan> and also cx-5 & cx-6
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[18:44:41] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: there's a complete disconnect between the mfg's website specs and how they are sold as replacements or aftermarket, there's no decoder ring
[18:44:49] <zeeshan> haha
[18:44:54] <zeeshan> yea its always like that
[18:45:08] <zeeshan> thats the only way they can charge you 600% more at dealerships
[18:45:15] <zeeshan> and 300% more at auto parts stores
[18:45:18] <CaptHindsight> i did find one data sheet that decodes the serial numbers
[18:46:42] <CaptHindsight> it actually contains the variance of the injector from nominal spec and how they introduce random numbers at the end from making it too easy for tuners to richen the mix
[18:48:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mkmcustoms.com/images/products/detail/Untitled.4.jpg these Bosch units also look nice, used in the Ford 6.4's
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[18:51:55] <zeeshan> that does look nice!
[18:51:58] <zeeshan> fancy
[18:52:07] <zeeshan> looks easy to disassemble
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[18:58:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chinanozzle.cn/injector_common.htm
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[21:06:14] <Nebukadneza> heho
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[21:10:32] <Deejay> gn8
[21:10:47] <Nebukadneza> say, is it okay to ask cnc, but not directly linux-cnc related questions here?
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[21:10:59] <Nebukadneza> a friend of me just got this:
[21:10:59] <Nebukadneza> www.ebay.de/itm/Komplette-CNC-Schrittmotor-Steuerung-Mit-Gehause-Fur-4-Achse-4-Motoren-Bis-3-5A-/181375620572?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2a3ad455dc
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[21:11:45] <Nebukadneza> and we're trying to hook it up for linuxcnc or gmfc controlling -- but we're not even sure of the basics yet. it does have an lpt interface, and claims to directly support mach2, 3, emc2 and kcam4...
[21:11:57] <Nebukadneza> so i can just get a usb->lpt interface and .. well .. hook it up?
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[21:14:59] <_methods> it may hook up
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[21:15:13] <_methods> usb is a gamble
[21:15:27] <_methods> some usb to rs232 interfaces work better than others
[21:15:52] <Nebukadneza> this would be parallel port, right?
[21:16:01] <_methods> oops sorry
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[21:16:13] <_methods> yeah i don't know i've never tried usb to parallel
[21:16:19] <Nebukadneza> ok ;) i thought paraport voltage levels were less critical than serial port, in regard to usb driving ability?
[21:16:23] <_methods> sorry was helpin buddy with usb to rs232
[21:16:42] <Nebukadneza> but, there are active (i.e., individually powered) usb->lpt adapters, i'd assume they work in most circumstances?
[21:16:55] <_methods> no idea i just use parallel
[21:17:12] <_methods> old computer with parallel or newer with card
[21:17:15] <CaptHindsight> usb--> LPT won't work for real time
[21:17:23] <_methods> then there's that
[21:17:23] <Nebukadneza> oh
[21:17:28] <Nebukadneza> oky, thats good to know ;0
[21:17:32] <Nebukadneza> pcmcia should be ok?
[21:17:45] <CaptHindsight> USB is not real time
[21:17:45] <_methods> as far as i know that should be fine
[21:17:59] <CaptHindsight> pcmcia ---> LPT should be fine
[21:18:08] <CaptHindsight> is this a laptop?
[21:18:33] <Nebukadneza> yes, we originally planned to connect it to a (over)used old small netbook
[21:18:38] <CaptHindsight> laptops have power management issues that impact real time
[21:18:56] <CaptHindsight> run the latency test on the LiveCD
[21:19:00] <Nebukadneza> mh, thats a good argument
[21:19:02] <Nebukadneza> yes, will do that
[21:19:29] <CaptHindsight> new laptops are pretty zippy with how they handle ACPI on the EC
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[21:19:43] <Nebukadneza> zippy? (sorry, not english native...)
[21:19:56] <Nebukadneza> i guess thats a positive attribute?
[21:20:01] <_methods> hell i speak english native and i have no idea wtf that means lol
[21:20:05] <CaptHindsight> old laptops EC (embedded controller) connect over slow links and tend to have really poor latency numbers
[21:20:14] <CaptHindsight> zippy = quick or fast
[21:20:22] <Nebukadneza> ah, ok ;)
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[21:21:28] <_methods> damn that's kind of expensive for that kit
[21:21:53] <Nebukadneza> i didn't buy -.- $friend bought it without reading enough ;P
[21:21:55] <_methods> 6560, power supply and 4 motors
[21:21:57] <Nebukadneza> now we're stuck with it for now
[21:22:01] <_methods> ouch
[21:22:03] <Nebukadneza> ididntpay ;P
[21:22:07] <_methods> good for you
[21:22:10] <Nebukadneza> ack
[21:22:12] <_methods> bad for your friend
[21:22:24] <Nebukadneza> anyways, shouldn't be 100% bad if we can get it to run
[21:22:45] <Nebukadneza> okay, sooo ... next step is to have him dig up the laptop, check for native parport, check for pcmcia, if not -> grab ne pc
[21:23:02] <Nebukadneza> if it has either, run latency test with most power management from bios disabled and PSU connected
[21:23:10] <Nebukadneza> then either be happy or -> grab new (old!) pc
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[21:23:25] <_methods> i'm a big fan of the old pc approach
[21:23:26] <Einar> _methods: Even if you consider the low cost local freight? I've looked at items on Ebay where the freight exceeds the price!!
[21:23:42] <_methods> i'm glad i don't live in deutschland
[21:24:05] <_methods> oh yeah margarita time
[21:24:11] <Nebukadneza> margarita? pizza?
[21:24:22] <_methods> no margarita the mexican drink
[21:24:27] <_methods> with a beer in it
[21:24:28] <_methods> lol
[21:24:28] <Nebukadneza> oh
[21:24:30] <_methods> margarona
[21:24:32] <Nebukadneza> whats that exactly?
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[21:24:57] <_methods> https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXldZjkLAdEV7P9lop8T-XGbZhQBsQhHGQfe8v0zZDPuJrohew_4NN4Gg
[21:24:59] <Einar> I just bought a stepper from Farnell. Not cheap, but in my hand the next day! Time is money.
[21:25:16] <_methods> data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMSEhUSEhQQFRUVEBQUFBQQFxQPFA8PFBQWFhQUFBQYHCggGBwlHBQUITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMtNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGhAQGzAcHBwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwvLCwsLCwsLywsLC8sLCwsLP/AABEIALkBEQMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAACAQMEBQYABwj/xABAEAACAQIDBAcFBQcDBQEAAAABAgADEQQSIQUGMVETIkFSYXGRMnKBocEUI0JisQckMzRTgvAVFtFDssLh8aL/xAAZAQADAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAgMABAX/xAAqEQACAgECBQQCAgMAAAAAAAAAAQIRAxIxBB
[21:25:23] <_methods> oops
[21:25:25] <_methods> sorry
[21:25:27] <Einar> Quack!!
[21:25:30] <_methods> doh
[21:25:58] <_methods> http://a3.urbancdn.com/w/s/MB/6WbbTtPiPFV5ok-640m.jpg
[21:26:04] <_methods> was supposed to be that
[21:26:17] <Nebukadneza> whats in it besides the beer?
[21:26:23] <Einar> Looked a lot better. ;-)
[21:26:41] <_methods> margarita mix
[21:26:50] <Einar> Distilled cactus?
[21:26:52] <_methods> which is like lime juice and simple syrup
[21:26:53] <Nebukadneza> that gstatic thing that has the jpeg base64 encoded in the url ... wow ;)
[21:26:56] <Nebukadneza> ah
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[21:57:24] <Nebukadneza> say ... if usb is generally not realtime, how do these usb->mach* breakout board thingies work?
[21:57:45] <Nebukadneza> do they have some kind of logic where you send a batch of n commands with their timing information, and they somehow realize the exact timing on a uC or similar?
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[22:04:20] <cradek> yes exactly - they have an external timing source and they queue up some motion
[22:05:05] <Nebukadneza> okay
[22:05:31] <Nebukadneza> so with something like:
http://www.poscope.com/PoKeys56U i wouldn't have to worry about any kind of timing issues on pc side, right? including fucked up power management on laptops?
[22:06:04] <cradek> are you asking a question about using mach?
[22:06:42] <Nebukadneza> i'm not sure yet how all those control schemes (mach, emc2, kcam) differ ;/
[22:06:57] <Nebukadneza> my driver pcb thingy with parport states to support all of them oO
[22:07:13] <witnit> flexibility mostly, each have their pros and cons
[22:07:18] <cradek> then I recommend you don't buy hardware until you know what you're trying to do exactly
[22:07:31] <cradek> I believe that pokeys is a hid
[22:07:41] <cradek> it's unlikely to be the best way to do ... anything with linuxcnc
[22:07:47] <Nebukadneza> see above, a friend bought the stuff already without proper reading, now turning to me to help getting it to run ;)
[22:08:03] <Nebukadneza> mh, ok
[22:08:05] <cradek> argh, that leads to suffering.
[22:08:08] <Nebukadneza> yes ;[
[22:08:17] <Nebukadneza> still, i want to make the best of the situation
[22:10:19] <Nebukadneza> okay, if i can't get him to dig up another old computer with hardware parport, i'll start reading into those "buffered" breakout boards that do their own timing for motion control signal
[22:10:25] <witnit> I think you should have no problem getting it to run, worst case scenario you ditch the controller and switch to something familiar from the mesa line
[22:10:35] <cradek> that German Noun device oughta just plug into a parallel port and work with a basic configuration like what you can make with stepconf
[22:11:30] <Nebukadneza> mh yeah, assuming we can find a computer with native parport and no timing issues ;)
[22:11:38] <cradek> oh that's trivial
[22:11:45] <witnit> you will find it
[22:11:46] <cradek> any junk computer will work fine
[22:11:56] <Nebukadneza> hehe, yeah, he has got a broken one and i have a spare amd be-2300 mainboard
[22:12:00] <cradek> I have a pile of ten in the recycle pile at work
[22:12:04] <Nebukadneza> summing up its a working box with parport ;)
[22:12:05] <cradek> you can have one
[22:12:08] <CaptHindsight> whats the Linuxcnc install procedure for 14.04?
[22:12:12] <Nebukadneza> haha ;)
[22:12:16] <Nebukadneza> where do you live, cradek?
[22:12:18] <cradek> CaptHindsight: there isn't one
[22:12:24] <cradek> Lincoln NE US
[22:12:32] <cradek> stop by anytime :-)
[22:12:38] <CaptHindsight> looks like 3-4 dependency issues
[22:12:40] <cradek> but you can probably find one closer to you just as easily
[22:12:40] <Nebukadneza> i'd guess shipping is more expensive than a new non-junk computer locally ;P
[22:12:45] <cradek> yep!
[22:12:57] <Nebukadneza> anyways, that won't happen today anymore..., so i'm stopping to bug you, as i understood what i need to know for know
[22:12:58] <CaptHindsight> when trying to use the precise packages
[22:13:17] <cradek> CaptHindsight: that's pretty normal when using packages for one system on another
[22:13:19] <Nebukadneza> especially the difference between "dumb" usb breakouts and bufferd ones ;)
[22:13:30] <cradek> don't use usb anything
[22:13:41] <Nebukadneza> ideally ;P
[22:13:45] <CaptHindsight> PCW: what was the workaround for the dependencies for 14.04
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[22:14:01] <Nebukadneza> oh, one last questions .. does the linuxcnc livecd image work when simply DD-ed to a usb stick?
[22:14:21] <CaptHindsight> cradek: yeah, but a few have it going, just trying here for the 1st time
[22:14:24] <cradek> Nebukadneza: no - you have to use the "startup disk creator" in ubuntu or similar
[22:14:37] <Nebukadneza> ok
[22:14:55] <CaptHindsight> i thought someone said the precise repo worked
[22:14:56] <cradek> CaptHindsight: surely it'll work fine if you build it
[22:15:17] <CaptHindsight> maybe that's what they had to do
[22:15:41] <CaptHindsight> just checking since nothing went easy on this so far
[22:15:59] <cradek> on debian 7 I built packages very easily
[22:16:12] <cradek> I just can't recommend ubuntu anymore
[22:16:29] <CaptHindsight> graphics render slower than complete software rendering at 33mhz
[22:16:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we hate it here
[22:16:54] <cradek> my experience is software rendering always works reliably and plenty fast enough for AXIS
[22:17:10] <cradek> it's just some lines, not a video game
[22:17:37] <CaptHindsight> for some reason ubuntu did something really weird for AMD
[22:17:54] <witnit> I payed $5 for the computer I use as my cnc, the second lpt port I added was 5.99 plus shipping though ahhahaha
[22:18:01] <cradek> hah
[22:18:08] <CaptHindsight> on kernel needs KMS and others don't work with it
[22:18:19] <CaptHindsight> on/pne
[22:18:35] <CaptHindsight> I give up for today, fingers are too tired
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[22:24:24] <witnit> cradek Nebukadneza
http://www.ebay.com/itm/390824766187
[22:25:26] <skunkworks_> we just got some referb dell precision t5500 iirc - holy crap those are nice.. 2 quad core xeons..
[22:25:52] <skunkworks_> (going to be solidwork stations)
[22:26:32] <skunkworks_> and darn quied
[22:26:34] <skunkworks_> quied
[22:26:37] <skunkworks_> quiet
[22:26:44] <cradek> I wonder what on earth they think they're doing with that pendant
[22:27:04] <witnit> playskool
[22:27:05] <cradek> record and playback the "gcode"? wtf?
[22:27:21] <witnit> programmable controller pendant?
[22:27:50] <cradek> uh you jog with it to make sure you screw up everything and the computer doesn't know where you are anymore?
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[22:28:27] <cradek> you can program it with the pad, as long as you only need to move one axis at a time
[22:28:49] <cradek> people make some crazyass stuff
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[22:31:50] <witnit> haha
[22:31:53] <witnit> yes yes they do
[22:32:58] <witnit> I couldnt believe it, I bought these "Rapid-Air" feeder units for $100 each, just sold one for $750
[22:33:08] <witnit> its basicly and air cylinder.
[22:33:12] <witnit> insane.
[22:33:25] <witnit> an*
[22:36:09] <_methods> yeah that one poor guy paid like $700 for that and 4 steppers
[22:37:50] <_methods> they need to call the white house
[22:38:06] <_methods> i'm pretty sure they're starting some big people against rape thing right now
[22:38:58] <witnit> oh methods im at about 3200 holes
[22:39:26] <_methods> damn nice
[22:39:29] <_methods> wow
[22:39:39] <_methods> 3" deep holes?
[22:39:44] <witnit> yeah
[22:39:46] <_methods> wtf
[22:39:53] <_methods> you need to call the fbi
[22:40:08] <_methods> that's some x-files shit
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[23:00:51] <witnit> Im looking for something like this but bigger has anyone have a suggestion? brand names maybe?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191158136630
[23:01:54] <witnit> im not even sure what the common name would be for such a thing
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[23:03:57] <_methods> bigger than that?
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[23:12:48] <witnit> yes
[23:13:23] <witnit> if they come bigger, I have clumsy fingers at times and use alot of space when possible
[23:14:17] <witnit> I like the built in power supply and such that is handy since I usually am dragging a pc power supply to my little breadboard all the time and then dragging it to the shop when I test there
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[23:27:10] <deMimsy> I seem to be having some trouble implementing persistence with my linuxcnc gui, does anyone have experience with this?
[23:28:37] <deMimsy> namely when running the "self.ini.save_state(self)" I seem to crash in the Tkinter.py
[23:36:19] <witnit> deMimsy here are some chat logs pertaining to Tkinter.py you may find some immediate leads here
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/search?q=Tkinter.py&channel=&go=Go
[23:36:40] <deMimsy> cool, thank you :D
[23:36:53] <witnit> Good luck! sorry im cluesless otherwise!
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[23:40:43] <deMimsy> you pointed me to a whole new resource i didnt even know about, that alone is significantly uselful
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[23:47:48] <witnit> it saves alot of these guys from having to address issues repeatedly, from what I can tell the contributors are usually the ones who solve end user problems too and if I can help get people on the right track with questions now and then they can keep on doing what they do best.
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[23:51:35] <deMimsy> searching forums is good and all, but generally you need very specific paramters for any useful results on the forum
[23:51:50] <deMimsy> solved it btw
[23:52:03] <deMimsy> apparently my save file was being write protected
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