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[00:03:24] <Tom_itx> memfrob i had a chance to but declined. it's alot like 8
[00:03:39] <Tom_itx> menus open up to a program list like 8
[00:03:42] <memfrob> i run 8.1 with classic shell
[00:03:48] <memfrob> avoids that problem ;)
[00:04:03] <Tom_itx> i got 7 instead
[00:04:47] <Tom_itx> local pc guy had a copy of it i could have looked at
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[00:05:37] <memfrob> i got infected too much on 7. antivirus hurts my frame rates and 8.1 seems to be just fine without much security
[00:06:38] <memfrob> so every month i install eset, run a deep scan, then uninstall :)
[00:10:16] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: If my HALIO_Button looks good, can it go in 2.7?
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[00:31:50] <mozmck> logger[psha]:
[00:32:07] <mozmck> logger[mah]:
[00:32:07] <logger[mah]> mozmck: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-03-21.html
[00:32:39] <mozmck> zlog
[00:32:39] <zlog> mozmck: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2015-03-20.html
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[00:40:44] <andypugh> what _was_ shereprobe for, and is it useful?
[00:41:03] <andypugh> (sphereprobe)
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[00:51:11] <andypugh> Interesting, it seems that the otherwise-functional Rpi RT-PREEMPT kernel does lock up as advertised. Which really slows-down kernel builds :)
[00:51:53] <mozmck> I bet!
[00:52:23] <mozmck> I'm not sure what yoshimitsuspeed wants - linuxcnc does have a forum.
[00:53:25] <andypugh> he wants a forum that the devs read
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[00:53:51] <andypugh> (Which is not an unreasobable request)
[00:54:29] <memfrob> what's his question? maybe i know the answer?
[00:54:45] <memfrob> or.. someone else here does?
[00:54:45] <mozmck> except for the time involved. something like discourse or googlegroups might work, because you can use them exactly like a mailing list.
[00:55:20] <mozmck> He says 2.7 runs slower than 2.6 or something like that.
[00:55:21] <memfrob> andypugh: when and where does it lock up? anything interesting in dmesg?
[00:55:40] <andypugh> Hard to read dmesg when locked up…
[00:55:54] <memfrob> ah yes and you're all out of UARTs..
[00:56:15] <memfrob> when oes it lock up? at boot, compile time, rt load?
[00:56:42] <memfrob> *does
[00:57:02] <memfrob> you finally got the kernel past the boot loader / gpu firmware issue you were having?
[00:57:08] <andypugh> It seemed to be about an hour in, when compiling a slightly different kernel.
[00:57:26] <memfrob> are you using the stock kernel or the preempt rt kernel to compile it?
[00:57:46] <memfrob> it might be getting too hot. just a theory.
[00:57:57] <andypugh> memfrob: Yes, indeed, I have managed to prove that latency with Rpi2 + PREEMP-RT is truly dreadful.
[00:58:28] <andypugh> I was compiling in preemp-rt, I just swapped back
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[00:58:33] <memfrob> can you post your kernel? maybe i can take a look and lower latency?
[00:58:42] <memfrob> *kernel config
[00:59:19] <andypugh> Well, I just swapped to a different power management and “periodic ticks” which I saw suggested
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[00:59:41] <memfrob> i use the simple ticks..
[01:00:10] <memfrob> but hey give it a shot! different hardware anyways
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[01:01:05] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/JdjqfUYC
[01:01:18] <cradek> andypugh: I recall simulating a sphere (because it was an easy shape to program) when writing smartprobe.ngc, when adding the several probing primitives necessary for that kind of thing
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[01:01:31] <cradek> andypugh: I'm surprised to see jepler listed as the author, so maybe my memory isn't perfect
[01:01:57] <memfrob> andypugh: what distro?
[01:01:58] <andypugh> I think I have found a use for nearly everything but that and sim-encoder
[01:02:02] <cradek> andypugh: but it's an object you can probe in simulation
[01:02:07] <cradek> heh
[01:02:22] <andypugh> memfrob: Raspbian
[01:02:46] <andypugh> sim-encoder feels like it should be useful, but it really isn’t ;-)
[01:03:15] <memfrob> rpi-3.18.y yes?
[01:03:24] <andypugh> 3.18.9
[01:03:38] <memfrob> branch name i mean
[01:03:42] <cradek> I think it was used to test (in simulation) the software encoder counter - when doing velocity estimation and that kind of fancy stuff
[01:04:03] <andypugh> memfrob: Yes, that branch
[01:04:07] <cradek> have you used encoder_ratio?
[01:04:21] <cradek> that's a funky one I've never touched
[01:04:53] <andypugh> cradek: I think I nearly used encoder-ratio once, but didn’t. I wanted to use sim-encoder but it didn’t do what I hoped.
[01:05:41] <andypugh> These feel like left-over test cases rather than useful bocks for users/integrators
[01:05:49] <cradek> yoshi just wants his free support to be available in the format most convenient to him, nothing strange there
[01:06:03] <cradek> yeah, sphereprobe certainly is that
[01:06:41] <cradek> maybe also sim_encoder, but probably not encoder_ratio
[01:07:15] <memfrob> andypugh ill look it over, thankd
[01:07:16] <memfrob> *thanks
[01:07:22] <cradek> maybe the manpages should say that (would be less severe than just removing them)
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[01:08:05] <cradek> andypugh: do you really spend an hour every day clicking on things in the forum? if so THANK YOU for doing that
[01:09:29] <cradek> I scan a lot of the messages on the forum, especially if the subject looks interesting, but it's tedious to reply so I do it very rarely
[01:09:42] <cradek> (get them through an rss to email gateway)
[01:12:22] <andypugh> Most Frustrating comp is “lut5” because it is fantasticallly wonderful but hard to explain to folk who don’t think in bits why it is the answer to their question.
[01:12:53] <cradek> yeah - is there still the generator on the wiki somewhere?
[01:13:13] <cradek> lut5 is something only a mother^Wprogrammer can love
[01:13:40] <cradek> interestingly the forum does not yet have more messages than the emc-users list (not even counting the devel list)
[01:13:47] <cradek> that surprises me
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[01:26:48] <andypugh> cradek: There is a generator in my google docs.
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[01:27:38] <andypugh> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_VlL39jUOPpS8Tt9mpRK-eaSTS6C6PHBDoE3JitvLzs/edit#gid=0
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[01:32:14] <cradek> neato
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[01:40:20] <memfrob> andypugh: want me to compile it as well or just send a config?
[01:44:39] <andypugh> Do you have a Pi2? It would be interesting to compare notes, and I am good at creating non-booting kernels (as a confounding factor)
[01:44:51] <memfrob> i do not have a pi2
[01:45:15] <memfrob> but i am a kernel hacker :)
[01:51:10] <memfrob> are you building an initrd or just a stand alone kernel?
[01:57:08] <andypugh> Just a kernel image + modules. Rpi has a wierd system where the _GPU_ reads a file config.txt and chooses the kernel to boot.
[01:57:53] <andypugh> So, earlier today that file contained “kernel=zImage”
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[02:06:43] <memfrob> does raspberry pi use ohci / ehci for USB?
[02:06:54] <memfrob> theres no good specs anywhere for it. i wish there were.
[02:07:18] <memfrob> I2C adapter, etc.
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[02:13:24] <andypugh> I really have no idea. But have changed almost nothing in that config if that gives clues. I jist turned on RT-PREEMPT and switched to periodic ticks in timers.
[02:16:51] <memfrob> ext4 fs?
[02:19:40] <andypugh> Probably FAT32. I didn’t reformat the SD card. Does dd copy the format too? I would assume not
[02:21:16] <memfrob> rpi2 is dual core yes?
[02:22:13] <jepler> memfrob: quad
[02:22:27] <memfrob> just wanted to be sure its SMP :)
[02:24:29] <andypugh> Time for me to sleep. scroll-back will expire. memfrob can you send me a private chat for anything I need to see tomorrow morning?
[02:24:40] <memfrob> sure!
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[02:24:59] <andypugh> I will leave this open, but I will be incommunicado
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[02:32:56] <Tom_itx> there is zlog too
[02:34:59] <memfrob> andypugh: try this config: pastebin./Q15ZAFb9
[02:35:03] <memfrob> err
[02:35:09] <memfrob> pastebin.com/Q15ZAFb9
[02:35:21] <memfrob> two PCs, must type links by hand
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[02:40:44] <memfrob> err made a mistake, updated link andypugh: pastebin.com/eayZB7P1
[03:09:06] <cradek> in AXIS in 2.7, while a single-stepped move is going, you can't pause (poking p does nothing); s then p does pause
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[03:29:30] <cradek> hm and the time estimate is wildly wrong: F600 in the program, Properties shows "Feed distance: 7568 mm" and Run time 2.2 minutes. Pretty sure it should say 12.6min + whatever contribution from the rapids
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[14:03:49] <mozmck> pcw_home: can I see the config you used for your preempt-rt 3.18.9 kernel? I'd like to compare settings with what I made.
[14:24:31] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/rtconfig
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[15:30:32] <mozmck> pcw_home: thanks
[15:33:37] <pcw_home> I think that one is missing the Atheros so may bust laptop wireless
[15:34:52] <pcw_home> ( I could not find the Atheros stuff in menu config but xconfig has it )
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[17:09:03] <andypugh> memfrob: Trying your config, I get an error I don’t quite understand:
[17:09:04] <andypugh> ./.config: line 25: $'\r': command not found
[17:09:05] <andypugh> Makefile:923: recipe for target 'vmlinux' failed
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[17:58:15] <skunkworks> the mazak ran its first program today.. dad had it mostly figured out - just needed tooling setup.
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[18:00:56] <cradek> another new machine?
[18:01:06] <skunkworks> a quick turn 20.
[18:01:20] <skunkworks> he got it a few months ago - the on that had the bad servo
[18:01:29] <cradek> cool
[18:01:48] <skunkworks> the original control still works.. simulation and everything
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[18:10:05] <cradek> can't win 'em all
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[18:14:58] <skunkworks> exactly
[18:17:27] <skunkworks> he doesn't have any inserts for his cutoff tools yet..
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[18:25:10] <skunkworks> I can see where G71 and the like would be nice. (mazatrol does all that magically)
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[18:25:32] <skunkworks> you give it the stock size and the profile and it clears automagically
[18:26:57] <skunkworks> (its own language though..)
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[18:53:09] <cradek> yeah it would sure be nice to have that
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