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[00:34:35] <jepler> OK, 32-bit lucid in qemu it is
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[01:18:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #0 of 3103.dsc-wheezy-rtai is complete: Failure [4failed shell] Build details are at
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[01:37:35] <linuxcnc-build> build #2195 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[02:25:42] <linuxcnc-build> build #0 of 4017.deb-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
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[02:53:41] <jepler> porting all the drivers (esp. the pci ones) to userspace is not an evening's project
[02:54:12] <skunkworks> heh - even with a bottle of wine?
[02:58:49] <jepler> particularly with any intoxicants
[03:13:08] <skunkworks> how was it accomplished with ubc?
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[04:02:01] <kwallace4> Hello. I'm working on a g-code generator for making circular pockets. The planned path will be a spiral and the examples I've seen so far either use short G1 segments for the spiral path or circular arc segments. Is there a better way?
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[05:52:54] <linuxcnc-build> build #1 of 4017.deb-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
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[07:15:55] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: if you convince scripts/platform-is-supported that rt-preempt is ok in your branch, the buildbot will (maybe) magically just start building it
[07:25:49] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: linuxcnc debs for wheezy rtai are up on the buildbot
[07:26:27] <seb_kuzminsky> and i changed the deb archive management from my homebrewed monstrosity to apt-ftparchive, and added repo signing
[07:26:46] <seb_kuzminsky> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-key E0EE663E
[07:29:01] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.6 0000.checkin
[07:29:02] <linuxcnc-build> build #2196 forced
[07:29:02] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[08:34:05] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 0000.checkin #2196 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[08:34:05] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2196
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[10:14:07] <jthornton> cradek, got it
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[13:20:22] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: thank you! I'm rebuilding with that added. News in 2h.
[13:20:30] <cradek> ... maybe 3h.
[13:20:40] <cradek> jthornton: thank you
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[14:26:35] <cradek> kwallace: have you looked at arcspiral.ngc?
[14:27:07] <cradek> using R format for quarter-circle arcs is a really easy way to do it (you don't have to calculate the centers)
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[14:46:55] <kwallace> cradek, thank you for the arcspiral link. So far the quarter-circle arcs seems like the way to go.
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[14:59:05] <jepler> anyway, next order of business with rtos-uspace is to get hm2-pci going. I hope to be able to mostly reuse the userspace pci implementation from ubc3, though I'm going to rtapi_-prefix the hell out of it
[14:59:31] <jepler> .. maybe the weekend will provide enough time for me to show positive progress
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[15:00:26] <cradek> jepler: sorry for not working on that like I said I would
[15:00:38] <jepler> cradek: I know you've been up to other important stuff, no worries
[15:00:57] <cradek> yes this thing is shiny too
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[15:17:30] <mozmck> cradek: what shiny thing are you working on? or can you say?
[15:23:34] <cradek> new live/install image based on debian wheezy+rtai for linuxcnc 2.6
[15:24:40] <cradek> debian uses a hybrid image so it can be written directly to dvd or usb stick, which is really nice
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[15:28:11] <mozmck> I see - neat!
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[16:23:03] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: do you know anything about the issue Marius Liebenberg is having with thcud? he mailed emc-developers about it last night
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[16:24:14] <jthornton> I fixed an issue with thc a while back when someone else mentioned it.
[16:26:02] <seb_kuzminsky> in 2.6 or master?
[16:26:34] <seb_kuzminsky> here's the bug he's referencing:
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/348/
[16:26:37] <jthornton> 2.5 then that was pushed to 2.6, but I didn't make the exact fix he proposed
[16:26:48] <seb_kuzminsky> not that i look at it, i think you and i talked about it back then
[16:26:53] <seb_kuzminsky> s/not/now/
[16:27:14] <jepler> cradek: for a typical machine that does not print the "Local API disabled by BIOS" line in dmesg, specifying lapic on the kernel commandline looks like it will have no effect
[16:27:18] <jepler> .. so it won't break any working systems
[16:27:21] <jthornton> yes I think so
[16:27:31] <jepler> according to my reading of detect_init_APIC in kernel 3.2
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[16:27:44] <cradek> aha, maybe I should always add it, then
[16:30:04] <jepler> also kernel 3.2 deactivates the lapic before trying to reboot or shut down, if it was enabled by the kernel commandline flag
[16:30:19] <jepler> .. which might be the fix for the laptop shutdown problem that one random page referred to
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[16:31:08] <cradek> nice
[16:31:10] <jepler> also the #ifdef CONFIG_X86_64 blocks make me thing that anything x86-64 capable has to have lapic enabled by default
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[16:33:50] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: thcud.comp isn't in 2.5
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[16:34:33] <seb_kuzminsky> it's in 2.6 and master, and those branches have the same version, which is just the single commit that originally adds the comp
[16:34:42] <jthornton> no, I fixed thc.comp in 2.5... did I miss thcud?
[16:34:47] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[16:35:56] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, thc is in 2.5, 2.6, and master, and looks fully merged, including the commit "Component: fix incorrect calculation of velocity tolerance percent"
[16:37:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i think something like that commit needs to be applied to thcud too maybe?
[16:38:07] <jthornton> yes, just looking at it now... and it still has the old broken code
[16:41:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.6 360dd7f 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/gcode.txt Docs: 4 dashes before and after denote a code block * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=360dd7f
[16:41:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.6 602c6de 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/gcode.txt Docs: fix column alignment * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=602c6de
[16:41:15] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.6 2394f70 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/thcud.comp Component: fix incorrect calculation of velocity tolerance percent * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2394f70
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[16:51:54] <jthornton> there you go seb_kuzminsky
[17:01:11] <seb_kuzminsky> thank you
[17:01:30] <seb_kuzminsky> do you want to respond to marius or do you want me to?
[17:04:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master 79fd496 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=79fd496
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[18:55:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if Marius Liebenberg knows he's emailing the dev list, and not me personally?
[19:00:39] <jepler> odd -- this board has an SPI header with no GND signal. I guess you're supposed to pick up GND from the other I/O header an inch away. (4-pin header has /CS, CLK, MISO, MOSI)
[19:01:18] <cradek> can I ask apt why a package got installed? for instance, was it requested specifically vs. sucked in as a dependency, and if so, of what?
[19:01:31] <jepler> cradek: you can apt-get remove the package, and it'll remove anything that depended on it
[19:01:41] <jepler> cradek: if it was installed because it was a "recommends", then you won't learn anything
[19:01:42] <seb_kuzminsky> apt-cache rdepends?
[19:02:37] <cradek> ding ding
[19:03:03] <jepler> internet also suggests aptitude why $package
[19:03:07] <seb_kuzminsky> what did you call me
[19:04:15] <jepler> "aptitude why" knows about recommends, "apt-cache rdepends" seems not to
[19:04:19] <cradek> "Unable to find a reason to install $package"
[19:04:29] <cradek> so it was done on purpose by live-build somehow
[19:04:30] <jepler> cradek: you could say that about so many packages
[19:04:31] <cradek> thanks guys
[19:04:41] <jepler> cradek: same for "aptitude why"?
[19:05:38] <cradek> yes
[19:05:45] <jepler> what package?
[19:05:55] <cradek> linux-image-...-dbg
[19:06:00] <jepler> ah, hm
[19:06:01] <cradek> it's > 1 GB installed (!!!)
[19:06:04] <jepler> wow
[19:06:18] <cradek> it's 10x bigger than the next biggest package (office something something)
[19:06:32] <cradek> so, needless to say, I need to make it not do that
[19:07:20] <jepler> yeah
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[19:20:24] <cradek> Note, selecting 'linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae-dbg' for regex 'linux-image-3.4.9-rtai-686-pae'
[19:20:34] <cradek> it's because I spelled it wrong!
[19:20:35] <jepler> doop doop
[19:20:49] <jepler> I don't spot the spelling error, but ok
[19:22:24] <cradek> .9 vs -9
[19:22:36] <jepler> oh
[19:22:44] <cradek> thanks apt
[19:23:54] <cradek> yep that fixed it
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[19:28:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont understand why jepler said doop doop, google presents this by way of explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvLDm8821jQ
[19:28:59] <seb_kuzminsky> (i still dont understand)
[19:29:56] <jepler> well it's no harlan shake
[19:32:53] <seb_kuzminsky> did you mean 'woop woop'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUXow3d3-b0
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[19:34:35] <jepler> I'd rather watch your doop doop video than your woop woop video
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[19:55:12] <cradek> is it wrong that the doop doop video makes me want to get a white tux with tails?
[19:55:38] <cradek> (the woop woop video does not make me want to get an annoying muffler)
[19:57:15] <seb_kuzminsky> there is nothing wrong with cradek in a white tux
[19:59:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i'd go for the argyle sweater-vest myself
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[20:11:47] <seb_kuzminsky> hi skunkworks, do you have time to test a new rtai kernel? it's for wheezy, and it's in the normal deb archive at linuxcnc.org
[20:12:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm mostly wondering if it boots & gets decent latency numbers on a wide range of hardware
[20:12:52] <cradek> it'd be great if you had a machine that formerly required adding lapic to the kernel commandline
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[20:23:39] <seb_kuzminsky> and could you do the testing while wearing a white tux with tails pls
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[20:33:44] <skunkworks> I will - I don't know if I can this weeked though.. Tomorrow I am going to tormach to meet rob.
[20:34:55] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[20:40:29] <skunkworks> I am a little sad...
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/machinekit/LcLpKcLBPEw/v2sN2NtQEtsJ
[20:42:59] <cradek> that knocked it down to 1.1GB
[20:43:34] <memfrob> heh.. Pumping Station One i been there a few times.
[20:44:01] <jepler> skunkworks: oh I wish 'em luck with their projects
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[20:44:24] <jepler> heck, I've frequently fantasized about throwing away all the bits from NIST and just keeping HAL for some new project
[20:44:49] <skunkworks> I am just worried that any new tp stuff he does won't be usable to linuxcnc
[20:44:50] <seb_kuzminsky> i've also daydreamed about that
[20:44:53] <skunkworks> but oh well..
[20:44:56] <jepler> the only good thing about the stuff from nist -- task, nml, interpreter -- is that they work and we really don't spend that much time fighting with them
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[20:46:58] <jepler> It's true, though: MAH could take care to structure 'minimot' so that even when Robert keeps his work nice and tidy in terms of git hygene, it's impossible to cherry-pick to linuxcnc.
[20:47:47] <jepler> much like after a certain point, emc2 / linuxcnc work was totally useless to a developer of an emc1 derivative
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[20:48:13] <jepler> (even if 'cherry pick' had been a phrase in our vocabulary at the time)
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[20:51:01] <mozmck> what would be involved in making 'motion' more flexible in linuxcnc? would it really require a complete re-write?
[20:51:29] <cradek> that's not a specific enough goal to even guess
[20:52:01] <seb_kuzminsky> there are plenty of things in linuxcnc that would probably benefit from a redesign & rewrite, but motion is not high on my list
[20:52:02] <mozmck> MH's mention of each motion command tagged with a kinematic to apply sounds interesting.
[20:52:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i think nml is first, then task
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[20:52:37] <mozmck> ...to get rid of the modal operation, but how much work would it take to try something like that?
[20:53:16] <cradek> I don't think rewriting things is a worthy goal at all. If a new design is needed for user functionality we want, and that makes a rewrite necessary, so be it
[20:53:37] <cradek> changing offsets while a program is running might be one of those things
[20:54:13] <mozmck> agreed, but MH seems to think a re-write is necessary, hence my question I guess.
[20:54:25] <seb_kuzminsky> the nml 'sequence number' collision issue might be one of those things
[20:54:40] <mozmck> why would you want to change offsets while a program is running?
[20:54:59] <cradek> mozmck: because you paused and changed the tool to one with a different length
[20:55:10] <mozmck> Oh, I see.
[20:55:23] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: that's true (but I think we already have a patch languishing that fixes it)
[20:55:53] <seb_kuzminsky> we do? it must have been buried under all the other things languishing in my mind
[20:56:33] <cradek> http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/328/
[20:56:39] <jepler> some days I think we *should* switch to github to get their features like pull requests
[20:58:25] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: thanks, that jogs my memory
[20:58:29] <jepler> alternately, self-host gitlab CE which has merge requests
[20:58:53] <jepler> it really does seem to help people collaborate
[20:59:30] <jepler> and while the github workflow is not perfect, it is still encourages a better workflow (topic branches) than many people actually practice
[20:59:34] <mozmck> It does seem nice from the little I've used it.
[21:00:56] <jepler> it may be optimistic to think we can solve what is effectively a social problem (accepting patches from first-time or one-time contributors) with a technological change
[21:01:05] <jepler> s/may be/is/
[21:01:14] <cradek> is
[21:01:16] <jepler> but that's an ongoing social problem we have in linuxcnc
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[21:04:05] <seb_kuzminsky> we can accept github pull requests today, i think - against the github linuxcnc mirror
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[21:04:29] <jepler> no, if I went into the linuxcnc-mirror and accepted a pull request, it'd be blown away by the next update from git.l.o.
[21:04:57] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, *our* part of the workflow would be different, but the casual contributor's workflow would look like a PR
[21:06:42] <jepler> oh, say to people: "you *may* create pull requests on github", but we have to use regular git to pull them and push to git.l.o .. ?
[21:06:53] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[21:07:21] <jepler> if there were some people with push access to git.l.o who were willing to look at push requests on github, I think that's a fine idea
[21:07:39] <seb_kuzminsky> all the same people who're willing to look at patches mailed to the list, i'd guess
[21:08:00] <seb_kuzminsky> err, i mean, i'd be willing to look at github PRs
[21:09:14] <cradek> I'd be willing to learn to use github if I have to. My limited experience trying to figure out the git history of a github project using just git is terrible, but maybe with the things they've tacked on top of plain git, it's less bad
[21:11:26] <cradek> otoh, I don't want to worry about this right now. lots of us are busy with things that are real progress.
[21:11:59] <jepler> cradek: I don't understand what you're saying
[21:12:39] <jepler> cradek: are you saying that something about github made you have trouble using the regular git commandline tools to understand the history of the code?
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[21:13:09] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that's how i use github currently - it's just another remote to me
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[21:14:24] <jepler> on another topic, are the monthly irc meetings still a thing, or did that fall by the wayside?
[21:14:39] <cradek> jepler: they are still a thing, but there has been no agenda for a while.
[21:15:42] <jepler> a difference (and, I think, advantage) of a github pull request over the mailing list is that the items stay there until someone makes a decision.
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[21:15:53] <jepler> just like bug trackers are better than mailing lists for tracking bugs and knowing whether they're open or not
[21:16:10] <jepler> (or, more to the point, whether in the eyes of project admins they're open or not)
[21:16:38] <jepler> another element of using GH PRs would be that someone would have to be able to reject ones that we want to reject. not all PRs end up with a merge...
[21:16:51] <jepler> I wonder if I can delegate the ability to do that to interested parties
[21:20:58] <jepler> cradek, seb_kuzminsky: for grins, I made you both "collaborators" on the linuxcnc-mirror repository
[21:21:39] <jepler> I'm off
[21:21:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i got the email from github - thanks!
[21:21:47] <seb_kuzminsky> have a good weekend
[21:22:09] <jepler> hopefully I get at least 6 quality hours to spend working rtapi_pci
[21:22:34] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: you too
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[22:04:16] <skunkworks> in case anyone is interested..
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/xClIoVR2Bp4
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[22:12:29] <skunkworks> andypugh: !
[22:12:34] <skunkworks> how is the bike coming?
[22:12:56] <andypugh> I have been doing something slightly different :-)
[22:13:02] <skunkworks> oh...
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[22:13:38] <skunkworks> that is surprising.... ;)
[22:15:26] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Sniper?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJ6K36Pg5_T5ew&feat=directlink
[22:16:05] <skunkworks> neat!
[22:16:17] <skunkworks> I saw the bolt - nice job bending that
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[22:29:02] <memfrob> which rifle is that?
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[22:32:44] <andypugh> It isn’t really any rifle at all.
[22:34:17] <andypugh> The bolt mechanism operates a microswitch which fires an LED.
[22:34:40] <andypugh> The only way that would be a “rifle” would be if the LEd was circularly polarised :-)
[22:35:10] <seb_kuzminsky> is the ne'er-a-car running?
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[22:35:26] <memfrob> ohh.. heh
[22:35:30] <seb_kuzminsky> you were close last time i looked
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[22:43:10] <andypugh> The engine runs
[22:43:53] <andypugh> I have a transmission. Today I was making a front sprocket, and when that is done and a chain fitted it would be self-mobile. But no seat or any brakes.
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[23:13:03] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM
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[23:15:30] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: Did you see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLv9fmIqcQ&list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
[23:16:42] <seb_kuzminsky> neato
[23:17:04] <seb_kuzminsky> some kind of spindle-synchronized motion hack?
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[23:29:24] <andypugh> Just feed-per-rev mode
[23:29:32] <jepler> hey, I know the guy in that video!
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[23:39:32] <skunkworks> logger[psha]:
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