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[00:21:37] <cttt_> hey u back?
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[08:07:36] <Mourner> hi guys
[08:08:31] <perl> good morning
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[08:11:53] <Mourner> Android 4 pinch-zoom just started working in master, check it out :)
[08:27:35] <Mourner> guys, what do you think about the recent trend of oversimplifying JS APIs (specifically removing the need to use new keyword where possible)? Do you think it's worth e.g. making it possible to do map.panTo([50, 30]) instead of map.panTo(new L.LatLng(50, 30))?
[08:28:15] <Mourner> or var marker = L.marker(...) instead of new L.Marker(...)
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[09:36:09] <b_b> hi there
[09:36:42] <Mourner> hi Bruno
[09:37:29] <b_b> hey Mourner ;)
[09:37:45] <b_b> ha, i see that mxn is not op anymore
[09:37:50] * b_b checks the logs
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[09:44:37] <b_b> ok it works
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[09:47:14] <b_b> ok, no need to have an op all the time
[09:47:36] <b_b> is should give you the ability to get op Mourner , what do you think if it ?
[09:48:44] <b_b> but it's not really necessary, as i told you i've seen many chans where we don't use op admin rights since years
[09:49:45] <Mourner> how do I get op if I need to?
[09:51:27] <b_b> http://www.scribd.com/doc/2892558/freenode-irc-chanserv-help#outer_page_9
[09:51:35] <b_b> /msg ChanServ OP #channel
[09:51:52] <b_b> but i have to give you access to op before ;)
[09:52:31] <b_b> have you registred your nick Mourner ?
[09:56:12] <Mourner> yep
[09:57:59] <b_b> ok you can set you op when needed now Mourner
[10:00:45] <Mourner> thanks
[10:02:06] <b_b> has said here :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Instructions#Instructions_for_channel_ops
[10:02:20] <b_b> Freenode channel guidelines suggest that you should hide your operator privileges when you are not using them. As such, the channel services interface Chanserv can be used to grant yourself operator privileges for a brief period of time. You should relinquish these privileges when you are done with them.
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[10:08:27] <b_b> just testing, it works ;)
[10:08:41] <Mourner> here's the API simplification proposal for discussion:
https://gist.github.com/3038879
[10:09:00] <Mourner> I'm not yet sure about it, would like to hear opinions
[10:09:18] <b_b> hmmm i don't really know why
[10:09:26] <b_b> but i prefer the one with new
[10:09:58] <b_b> the code editors show it in bold generally, so it's easy to read your code and to find where something is created
[10:13:18] <Mourner> If I implement the new variant, it will certainly be backwards-compatible, so we'll have both. The question is if it's OK to have both ways (and won't cause confusion), if it's worth the effort and several added kb of code, and if it's worth advocating it on the website examples / docs taking current JS trends into account (to ease the adoption by users).
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[10:14:44] <Mourner> I prefer to use "new" too, but there's a good argument about chainable APIs not looking with it (new L.Marker().doSomething().doFoo() looks a bit confusing, and (new L.Marker()).doSomething().doFoo() is not pretty, etc.)
[10:15:55] <b_b> yes, the new syntax should be more easy to learn for new users
[10:18:40] <b_b> hey Mourner i'm not sure this "bug" is still present in master
[10:18:58] <b_b> but the scale control do strange thing when the zoom is very slow
[10:19:06] <b_b> here for example :
http://cornes.debru.me/spip.php?page=carte
[10:19:17] <b_b> zoom out to fit the entire world
[10:19:18] <Mourner> yeah, should be fixed in master
[10:19:24] <b_b> ha great :)
[10:19:42] <Mourner> another argument against new is that it's easy for beginners to make a mistake omitting the new keyword which causes errors that are not always apparent
[10:21:07] <Mourner> and about being able to see where things are being created - I heard an argument about it that you still can't know whether an object is created or not when using getters, e.g. map.getCenter() creates new L.LatLng object, so the benefit becomes weaker
[10:23:07] <b_b> yes you're right
[11:00:39] <Mourner> asked in Twitter, 9:0 for simplified one so far :)
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[11:01:34] <b_b> hehe
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[22:21:47] <erictheise> looking for some insights on a problem i'm having
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[22:22:14] <erictheise> when we deploy our rails app to ec2, leaflet causes problems for ie8
[22:22:45] <erictheise> works fine in dev mode in a vm, but on amazon, under tomcat, base tiles only
[22:22:52] <erictheise> works for firefox and chrome
[22:22:59] <erictheise> i'm mystified
[22:28:50] <erictheise> also: IE freezes at that point
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