#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-25

Back
[00:00:30] <PCW> 24V and 5K is only about 1/8 W so should be OK (7I77 load is 22K so a bit more than a mA max from the wiper)
[00:00:47] <cncnoob1979> http://www.bitechnologies.com/pdfs/p232.pdf Here is the datasheet for the pots if curious. I have 3 and only one has burned up [let the blue magic smoke out]
[00:00:51] <cncnoob1979> thanks pcw..
[00:01:23] <cncnoob1979> I was thinking the load should should be neg~
[00:01:31] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: That thing is fairly huge, you got space for it?
[00:01:51] <PCW> wrong resistance mixed in? not sure
[00:02:24] <cncnoob1979> was working for about a week... I have 3 on the overrides...
[00:02:40] <cncnoob1979> linked in para together.
[00:03:03] <PCW> accidentally shorted wiper?
[00:03:57] -!- justanotheruser [justanotheruser!~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:04:05] <cncnoob1979> Im thinking the wiper had to have shorted... I just didnt want to cause damage to the 7i77... even tho the 7i77 should detect a fault in this situation.
[00:04:29] -!- Camaban has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[00:04:39] <PCW> pretty hard to hurt the inputs (they will take +-100V short term)
[00:04:45] <cncnoob1979> internally that is. The connections were short runs and direct. Also soldered..
[00:04:56] <cncnoob1979> awesome...
[00:05:58] <os1r1s> PCW Sorry to bug you. My 7i76 does not appear to be talking to my 6i25. Is there a way to confirm/tell?
[00:05:58] <cncnoob1979> Im going to throw another pot on it. For my sanity, Im going to replace the 24v powersupply to a regulated one.
[00:06:40] <Polymorphism> http://www.lagunatools.com/cnc/IQ_2# http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[00:06:44] <Polymorphism> what does the room think of these options
[00:07:00] <cncnoob1979> do you have the field power supplied? if not the 7i76 will not be seen by the 6i25
[00:07:11] -!- gregcnc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]]
[00:07:18] <os1r1s> cncnoob1979 I have field power supplied to vin
[00:07:28] <os1r1s> pin 5 on TB1
[00:07:43] <os1r1s> And W1 is to the left
[00:07:47] <cncnoob1979> have you checked your jumpers to how you have it wired?
[00:07:57] -!- gregcnc [gregcnc!~chatzilla@2602:304:b1b6:52f0:7913:cb0c:649f:e2d4] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:07:59] <cncnoob1979> with vin only you have to set the jumper
[00:08:07] <cncnoob1979> cant remeber which.
[00:08:38] <cncnoob1979> are you powering the cards via the bus or externaly with 5 volts?
[00:09:02] <os1r1s> cncnoob1979 Via the bus
[00:09:08] <os1r1s> I have both power leds lit
[00:09:11] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: The raptor actually looks alright
[00:09:19] <malcom2073> thick aluminum plate, proper linear bearings
[00:09:19] <PCW> do you have both Yellow LEDs on the top edge of the card on?
[00:09:25] <os1r1s> PCW Yes
[00:09:26] <malcom2073> Needs screw covers
[00:09:51] <PCW> Is this a new setup?
[00:10:04] <os1r1s> PCW Yes.
[00:10:27] <PCW> are you sure the 6I25 has 7I76 firmware installed?
[00:10:33] -!- amiri has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[00:10:34] <os1r1s> PCW I flasshed the 6i25 for the 7i76x2.bit
[00:10:39] <os1r1s> I can verify it
[00:11:02] <os1r1s> Do I need the 6i25 connected to the 7i76 when I flash it?
[00:11:04] <PCW> did you cycle the power after flashing?
[00:11:12] <os1r1s> PCW Yes. I powercycled
[00:11:48] <PCW> Why do you think you are not communicating with the 7I76?
[00:12:13] <os1r1s> PCW I'm getting an error in the linuxcnc config, so I wanted to confirm.
[00:12:18] -!- solosoft has quit [Quit: leaving]
[00:12:21] <os1r1s> PCW It might be fine, but I don't know how to tell.
[00:12:31] <PCW> what error?
[00:12:58] <os1r1s> PCW hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-00 does not exist
[00:13:15] -!- cncnoob1979 has quit [Quit: Page closed]
[00:13:27] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@181.92.53.24] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:14:13] -!- cbzx [cbzx!~cbzx@CPE0015f275ecd5-CM00195edd810c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:14:23] <PCW> OK that does look like a communication error
[00:14:25] <PCW> is field power on when you started linuxcnc?
[00:14:46] <PCW> and is this a pncconf created config?
[00:14:47] <os1r1s> Yes. I applied field power, then booted the machine
[00:14:56] <os1r1s> PCW Yes. It was created with PNCconf
[00:15:29] <os1r1s> I verified the firmware and it verified ok
[00:15:32] <PCW> what is the field power voltage?
[00:15:36] <os1r1s> 12v
[00:15:44] <os1r1s> Registers 11.9 with a multimeter
[00:15:55] <os1r1s> 1A supply
[00:15:59] <PCW> OK is W3 in the left hand position?
[00:16:28] <os1r1s> It was. I moved it to the right because the manual said it needed to be there for normal operation
[00:16:35] <os1r1s> Should I move it back and try again?
[00:16:55] <PCW> Yes
[00:17:05] <os1r1s> Do I need to power it all down to do it?
[00:17:28] <PCW> (left=default is for normal operation)
[00:18:43] <PCW> you dont need to power down to change the jumper but you don need to
[00:18:45] <PCW> power cycle the field I/O 12V power for the change to be recognized
[00:19:23] <os1r1s> Bringing it all back up
[00:20:20] <os1r1s> That did it
[00:20:27] <PCW> setup mode is only for things like updating the 7I76's firmware
[00:21:14] <os1r1s> PCW Ok. Thanks. That makes sense. I shouldn't have changed it ...
[00:21:17] <os1r1s> PCW And just to be clear, there is no way to power field power off of the host pci, right?
[00:21:45] <PCW> you can run it off host 12V if you wish
[00:22:20] <os1r1s> PCW But I can't just run it from the PCI/lpt connection, right?
[00:22:43] <PCW> No you need 10V minimum
[00:22:49] <os1r1s> PCW K
[00:23:06] <os1r1s> PCW Awesome. One step further. Thank you very much for the help
[00:25:09] <PCW> I should make the manual clearer about W3
[00:25:10] <PCW> a couple of people have moved it thinking "well I'm setting up so it should be in set-up mode"
[00:26:25] <os1r1s> PCW I didn't apply Vin when I first tested. So it wasn't working and I thought I might need to flip W3 after scouring the manual. Clearly I should have looked at the power section, but I did not.
[00:27:33] <os1r1s> PCW The part that wasn't apparent to me was that I needed both bus power and power the the field section. It is clear in the manual. Just a dumb mistake on my part.
[00:28:53] -!- Jymmm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[00:28:59] -!- Jymmm [Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:30:03] <PCW> Yeah, the field I/O section is completely isolated and independent and needs to be powered to be discovered
[00:33:39] -!- justanotheruser has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[00:34:51] -!- teepee has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[00:34:51] teepee_ is now known as teepee
[00:38:42] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[00:38:45] <Polymorphism> what about this unit
[00:39:40] <pink_vampire> new part
[00:40:41] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[00:44:11] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: it's look like the chinese cnc engraver
[00:44:19] -!- justanotheruser [justanotheruser!~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:44:35] -!- cbzx has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
[00:44:37] <Sync> that is one of those 6040s
[00:44:48] <djdelorie> and it can mill "non-ferrous metals, such as stainless steel" :-P
[00:46:15] <Polymorphism> its supposed to be slightly better
[00:46:16] <Polymorphism> and USB
[00:46:16] <malcom2073> That one is nicer than the 6040
[00:46:31] <malcom2073> It uses 20mm linear rails rather than rod
[00:47:32] -!- Duc [Duc!~Duc@24.96.23.106] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:47:36] <malcom2073> USB means what? Smoothstepper clone, so you gotta use mach3?
[00:49:01] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure
[00:49:05] <Polymorphism> I liked the idea of using a laptop for control
[00:50:02] <Polymorphism> how does it compare to this unit
[00:50:03] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332?hash=item3389bcb334:g:yoIAAOSwm8VUyYZi
[00:50:16] <Polymorphism> I'm wondering if its worth the premium
[00:50:43] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-1-5KW-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-USA-/131745451666?hash=item1eaca40e92:g:PNoAAOSw9N1VsIZn
[00:50:48] <Polymorphism> there is this unit too, but I'm worried about the white box
[00:51:00] <Polymorphism> I read black box is best of the three colors
[00:51:03] -!- rob_h has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[00:52:57] <Polymorphism> the differences dont mean a lot to me
[00:52:59] <Polymorphism> they are subtle
[00:53:13] <Polymorphism> the rails are different somehow? and I notice the more expensive unit has the dust boot on the z axis
[00:53:57] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yoIAAOSwm8VUyYZi/s-l1600.jpg pic one http://www.omiocnc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/x/6/x6-2200usb-1.jpg pic two
[00:54:00] <pink_vampire> LOL stainless
[00:54:25] -!- Computer_barf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[00:54:35] <pink_vampire> even with the G0704 it's not easy to cut stainless
[00:54:53] -!- Computer_barf [Computer_barf!~g0704@c-50-186-255-137.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:55:04] <djdelorie> heh, even my bridgeport doesn't like stainless
[00:55:46] <pink_vampire> just look at the E-stop button, look like crap.
[00:55:56] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@181.92.53.24] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:56:12] <Polymorphism> why are there so many different variations of this model
[00:56:34] <pink_vampire> because it's cheap and easy to make.
[00:56:38] -!- morbo_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[00:57:02] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-four-4-axis-6040-1500W-cnc-router-engraver-engraving-milling-machine-desktop-/221763760469?hash=item33a2267155:g:DXsAAOSwEeFU-XAP
[00:57:05] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1500W-four-axis-4-axis-CNC-Router-engraver-cnc-engraving-milling-machine-6040-/141935675067?hash=item210c0686bb:g:GiYAAOSwh-1W3kBf
[00:57:12] <Polymorphism> which one of these 7 variations is best?
[00:57:15] <Polymorphism> can someone please assist
[00:57:27] <Polymorphism> I think this is the model I want, but not sure which variation is the best deal
[00:57:50] <pink_vampire> all of them are +- ok..
[00:58:00] <Polymorphism> its my understandingf the black box may not need to be replaced, whereas the others I'm not sure
[00:58:20] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, what about the x6 unit
[00:58:24] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[00:58:29] <Polymorphism> is it worth the premium?
[00:58:35] <pink_vampire> looking for one with ballscews, not acme screws.
[00:58:36] <Polymorphism> ~2100 vs 1400
[01:00:41] <Sync> Polymorphism: the usb box will lock you into using mach3 without mods
[01:01:00] <Polymorphism> is that a bad thing?
[01:01:04] <Polymorphism> I know it costs 150
[01:01:06] <pink_vampire> I will go with the one from omiocnc. the rails much better.
[01:01:43] <Polymorphism> Sync, it will only work with mach 3 youre saying?
[01:01:45] <djdelorie> polymorphism: since this is the linuxcnc group, yeah, being locked into something that isn't linuxcnc is bad ;-)
[01:02:03] <Sync> if you are happy with mach3, why not
[01:02:15] <Sync> I wouldn't
[01:02:16] <CaptHindsight> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard how about this reinvented wheel?
[01:02:17] <Polymorphism> either software will be my first cnc
[01:02:33] <djdelorie> I have nothing against mach3, but this isn't the mach3 support group, that's all...
[01:02:38] <Polymorphism> I understand
[01:02:52] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: I'm working with mach3
[01:02:55] <evil_ren> mach3 was pretty annoying to use, but it looked windows
[01:02:55] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: it is for x-users :)
[01:03:30] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, you are saying the omiocnc is worth 2200 USD vs 1400 USD?
[01:03:31] -!- justanotheruser has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[01:03:34] <Polymorphism> for the generic 6040 on ebay
[01:03:39] <Polymorphism> because of the rails?
[01:03:50] <Polymorphism> but the downside might be, mach 3
[01:03:52] <Sync> I mean, in the end you can replace the rails easily
[01:03:52] <Polymorphism> so I need to add 150
[01:04:04] <Sync> and the basic machine does not change
[01:04:18] <Polymorphism> if I have to pay the same to upgrade them or similar though
[01:04:23] <Polymorphism> I'd rather just get the better unit first
[01:04:46] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: yes.
[01:04:56] <pink_vampire> look at the rails.
[01:05:04] <pink_vampire> the spindle much stronger.
[01:05:19] <CaptHindsight> another potential Linuxcnc + hm2_eth + fpga contender http://linuxgizmos.com/quad-core-11dollar-hacker-board-runs-linux-on-allwinner-h3/
[01:05:55] <Sync> it is not like it is better
[01:06:20] <Polymorphism> ?
[01:06:55] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: I'm using LPT with C10 the breakout
[01:07:04] <jdh> and servos?
[01:07:09] <jdh> how said.
[01:07:11] <jdh> or sad.
[01:07:12] <pink_vampire> I don't like the usb stuff.
[01:07:26] <djdelorie> Capt - that's not an x86 board, does linuxcnc run on ARM? I couldn't even get it to run on Fedora list time I tried.
[01:07:27] <pink_vampire> jdh: yes, with servos!
[01:07:36] <jdh> and pport, from 1983
[01:07:37] * djdelorie really prefers servos
[01:07:51] <jdh> sure, but... a pport and servos.
[01:07:55] <djdelorie> yup
[01:07:57] <jdh> that's just wrong.
[01:08:12] <djdelorie> nah, the electronics take step/dir pulses and control the servo accordingly
[01:08:13] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: yes, it runs on ARM, the problems have been smooth graphics and talking to an FPGA
[01:08:14] <pink_vampire> jdh: why?
[01:08:30] <pink_vampire> lpt support 1mbs
[01:09:01] <pink_vampire> and you saw the parts..
[01:09:10] <djdelorie> my servo drivers support far faster than the pport can handle, and run the servos on a 20KHz loop with 4000 steps/rot at up to 3000 RPM
[01:09:14] <jdh> 1mbs is meaningless for that
[01:09:23] <djdelorie> and they don't lose steps, even when you hit the e-stop
[01:09:30] <pink_vampire> jdh: http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[01:10:02] <jdh> heh
[01:10:09] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: what servo controller are you using?
[01:10:23] <jdh> there is some law that says any slotted item will always be at one extreme of the slot.
[01:10:36] <djdelorie> (correction: I think they ignore steps during estop, don't want them starting up on you - but they keep track of steps past the end stops, and recover)
[01:10:53] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: I designed my own: http://www.delorie.com/electronics/bldc/
[01:11:15] <pink_vampire> wow impressive!
[01:11:16] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: my hobby is the tools, not using them :-)
[01:11:29] <pink_vampire> I like to use them...
[01:11:48] <djdelorie> I used to design PC motherboards back in the day, so little boards like this are easy
[01:11:58] <CaptHindsight> lost steps of Linuxcnc https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2723/4197531859_a539aa5253_b.jpg
[01:12:58] <pink_vampire> I'm using the G320X..
[01:13:05] <djdelorie> if you try to step past an end stop, the motor stops moving but the board keeps track of where it "should be" so it can resume motion when the PC tells it it's back off the end stop
[01:13:10] -!- gonzo_nb [gonzo_nb!~gonzo@host86-182-193-41.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:13:30] <pink_vampire> nice.
[01:14:04] <pink_vampire> but for me to reference the machine is soo easy with the probe.
[01:14:14] <djdelorie> it's basically the same setup as the new ClearPath "stepper killer" servos
[01:14:46] <djdelorie> oh sure, but if a job goes beyond the workspace, the spindle and PC don't get out of sync
[01:14:56] <djdelorie> so you don't have to re-home
[01:16:22] <pink_vampire> do you know how can I measure 115V ac voltage?
[01:16:32] <pink_vampire> I want to monitor the voltage.
[01:16:39] <djdelorie> yes... but measure for what?
[01:17:02] <djdelorie> voltage, current, real power, power factor?
[01:17:16] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/electronics/powermeter/
[01:17:25] <yasnak> boring night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3WMsSVFm54&feature=youtu.be
[01:17:44] -!- Akex_ has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[01:18:13] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: that current. I want the voltage.
[01:18:48] <CaptHindsight> starts out like an injection molding horror film...
[01:18:50] <djdelorie> easiest way is to get a small power transformer, like 5V (i.e. an AC-AC wall wart) and feed it into an ADC on a micro
[01:19:01] <yasnak> it is ;)
[01:19:13] <djdelorie> to measure current you need a current transformer and an amp circuit
[01:19:19] <yasnak> i cut the me feeding the random hitch hiker into it scene
[01:19:29] <CaptHindsight> heheh
[01:19:33] <pink_vampire> what about 72V dc
[01:19:42] <djdelorie> anyway, measure the 5V peak and scale it accordingly
[01:19:42] <yasnak> not sure if they would be considered bio-absorbable tho :/
[01:20:09] <djdelorie> if the 72VDC is isolated (i.e. common ground with your micro's power supply), just use a resistor divider to scale it to your local ADC's input range
[01:20:19] <djdelorie> add some protection diodes and a fuse, and there you go
[01:20:27] <pink_vampire> the transformer is nice.. but I'm looking for better solution.
[01:20:39] <evil_ren> what do you mean by monitor?
[01:20:54] <djdelorie> it's hard to measure wall voltage safely because of isolation and floating ground issues
[01:21:06] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I want it optical isolated.
[01:21:32] <djdelorie> put an arduino on the measuring side and an opto between that and your serial port :-)
[01:21:51] <djdelorie> you can get opto-isolated USB cables too
[01:21:54] <evil_ren> fuck arduinos, say microcontroller, thanks.
[01:22:23] <pink_vampire> opto-isolated USB cables??
[01:22:31] <djdelorie> heh, I'm a big fan of R8C and RX micros, the only arduino clone I've got is in my 3d printer...
[01:22:46] <evil_ren> analog levels are more difficult across isolation
[01:22:56] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: yeah, I think so. I know you can get opto-isolation chips for usb ports. You just need to power
[01:22:59] <djdelorie> both sides
[01:23:20] <evil_ren> optical isolation at least, so you would want to convert and then do some sort of digital comm over the optical link
[01:23:27] <djdelorie> http://www.bb-elec.com/Products/USB-Connectivity/USB-Isolators/USB-Isolators.aspx
[01:23:41] <djdelorie> I think they use magnetic isolation transformers, like ethernet, for speed.
[01:23:48] <evil_ren> thats kind of neat
[01:23:59] <pink_vampire> nice!
[01:24:57] -!- robin_sz [robin_sz!~robin@88.97.63.122] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:25:00] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: what king a machine do you have?
[01:25:10] -!- alibama [alibama!~parker@c-50-134-13-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:25:19] <djdelorie> designed and built that myself too: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/
[01:26:02] <robin_sz> its ...
[01:26:04] <robin_sz> its ...
[01:26:08] <robin_sz> wooden.
[01:26:16] <pink_vampire> i remember now..
[01:26:21] <djdelorie> with a few videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzyUu7rVBhWC64_0J843uOA
[01:26:35] * Polymorphism agonizes over the cnc decision
[01:26:54] <yasnak> do it
[01:26:55] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, how many to buy?
[01:26:56] <CaptHindsight> would I, wood eye
[01:27:01] <djdelorie> yeah, wooden. It wiggles a lot, you have to be careful about acceleration, esp the Z feed.
[01:27:06] <Polymorphism> http://www.tormach.com/product-pcnc-440.html
[01:27:09] <Polymorphism> I wish this were cheaper
[01:27:17] <djdelorie> but when you have a wood shop, you make wooden tools :-)
[01:27:26] <pink_vampire> I wish also..
[01:27:59] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: what do you want to do with the machine?
[01:29:09] <robin_sz> djdelorie, now you have tojust make it again in better wood
[01:29:13] <evil_ren> some of the tormach packages are pretty cool, lots of tooling out of the box
[01:29:20] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, cut holes like this https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD111XX.pdf
[01:29:25] <djdelorie> evil_ren: well duh :-)
[01:29:25] <robin_sz> but this time you can rout it
[01:29:33] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extruded-aluminum-electronic-power-enclosure-PCB-instrument-Box-Case-Project-DIY-/331210803660 in enclosures like these
[01:29:37] <Polymorphism> top and end plates
[01:30:05] <djdelorie> er, robin_sz: well duh :-) (stupid scroll)
[01:30:15] <pink_vampire> that it's cool.
[01:30:23] <evil_ren> you could do that with a taig
[01:30:42] <evil_ren> for way under $3k with all tooling
[01:30:49] <robin_sz> djdelorie, baltic birch would be a good choice, much tougher than the far-eastern ply
[01:30:54] <pink_vampire> first time that I saw that you can get stuff like that easy.
[01:31:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gavinshoebridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Wooden-Laptop-6.jpg woodn't you want one?
[01:31:09] <Polymorphism> with what?
[01:31:17] <Polymorphism> http://www.protocase.com/images/spotlight/nanolumens/display-interface-unit1.jpg
[01:31:20] <evil_ren> a taig cnc micromill
[01:31:21] <Polymorphism> I wantr a profdessional end result like that
[01:31:26] <Polymorphism> I'll engrave for the labels
[01:31:35] <evil_ren> yeah thats not hard
[01:31:50] <evil_ren> but you would have to do 19" rack stuff in two setups
[01:31:58] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: If you are going to use small cutting tools you have to get something with high speed spindle.
[01:32:01] <evil_ren> but for bud box type stuff, taig is perfect
[01:32:06] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, thats what we do all day on our router
[01:32:19] <pink_vampire> 6-8K rpm and up..
[01:32:21] <evil_ren> only has a 12" X, so it cant to a rack mount panel in one setup
[01:32:36] <Polymorphism> ?
[01:32:41] <Polymorphism> this is something I've wondered
[01:32:44] <djdelorie> robin_sz: I use a mixture of hardwood plywood (oak, usually) and solid woods, but yeah. I used what I had.
[01:32:46] <Polymorphism> I can do a larger size than the table fits??
[01:32:49] <Polymorphism> in multiple setups?
[01:33:00] <Polymorphism> but only if its larger in X or Y right?
[01:33:06] <evil_ren> you would have to be a decent machinist to use it to cut panels because the x axis isnt long enough, so you have to move the panel and cut the second half
[01:33:10] <pink_vampire> and if you are going to work just on flat stuff go with evgraver
[01:33:27] <Polymorphism> evil_ren, that doesnt souind ideal
[01:33:32] <evil_ren> on X, you can do as wide as you can figure out how to hold the panel
[01:33:32] <robin_sz> evil_ren, https://www.dropbox.com/s/awwkhioi83r634t/DSC_1670.jpg?dl=0
[01:33:50] <evil_ren> polymorphism: it isnt but its standard machining
[01:33:51] <CaptHindsight> wooden clothing? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b6/14/5c/b6145c46ad51bdb2e0f6c56554b658c7.jpg
[01:33:57] <evil_ren> you mentioned bud boxes first
[01:34:08] <robin_sz> evil_ren, https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwf6fj943s9l66m/DSC_1671.jpg?dl=0
[01:34:12] <pink_vampire> milling machine is high Z low speed spindle but high torque, and small table.
[01:34:28] <evil_ren> robin_sz: neat whats that
[01:34:36] <robin_sz> 19" front panels
[01:34:42] <Polymorphism> that looks clean
[01:34:45] <Polymorphism> way thicker than I need even
[01:34:56] <evil_ren> robin_sz: no what machine
[01:34:56] <robin_sz> 3mm is kinda too thin
[01:34:59] <Polymorphism> I'm realizing I could make the enclosures 100% from scratch with a machine like this
[01:35:14] <Polymorphism> too thin you say?
[01:35:31] <robin_sz> for front panels yeah, on 19" rackmount
[01:35:33] <evil_ren> but yeah if you can afford it, tormach package would be awesome
[01:35:37] <Polymorphism> cant I just double sided tape it to spoilbnoard
[01:35:46] <Polymorphism> if it were 5000 maybe
[01:35:54] <Polymorphism> nearly 10,000 well equipped is just too high
[01:35:55] <robin_sz> we use vacuum, on an 8x4 sheet
[01:35:58] <Polymorphism> unless it can do something truly amazing
[01:36:36] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: there a guy here that make RF shielding enclosures, and he use the 40X60 chinese machine
[01:36:40] <evil_ren> anyway, $3500 gets you a fuckin arduino cnc in the modern market, so shrug
[01:37:02] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, the 4060?
[01:37:18] <pink_vampire> 6040..
[01:37:20] <gregcnc> that was loet you chatting iwth earlier
[01:37:23] <Polymorphism> right my bad
[01:37:26] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, we are going to try cutting our own cases on the router, instead of punching them
[01:37:39] <Polymorphism> thats what Loetmichel2 was doing
[01:37:40] <Polymorphism> with the 6040
[01:37:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but they don't rely on a general purpose cpu
[01:37:44] <Polymorphism> it was legendary
[01:37:46] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, we bought a 10x5 machine, shoudl be big enough
[01:37:54] <Polymorphism> he scores the panels and then hand bends
[01:37:54] <robin_sz> the 8x4 is a bit small
[01:38:02] <Polymorphism> the 8x4?
[01:38:03] <Polymorphism> which is that
[01:38:17] <robin_sz> the one in the photo, the Vytek
[01:38:28] <evil_ren> i drove a 10x5 vacuum table router for a few months, man that thing was cool
[01:38:31] <CaptHindsight> general purpose cpu's get bored when running specialized apps
[01:38:38] <robin_sz> but we bought a multicam 10'x5' for the panels
[01:38:47] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@2600:100e:b12a:e1fc:6ddd:1542:727:6735] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:38:52] <robin_sz> yeah, vaccum is the way to go
[01:39:00] <Polymorphism> the tormach 440 looks like it can do crazy deep cuts in a single pass
[01:39:09] <robin_sz> I have 10hp on the 8x4, but 2 x 20hp on the 10x5
[01:39:23] <Polymorphism> I'm considering the vacuum table
[01:39:30] -!- Tecan [Tecan!~fasdf@unaffiliated/unit41] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:39:31] <robin_sz> its the way to go
[01:39:38] <Polymorphism> I need to pick a mill first
[01:39:40] <evil_ren> setup is crazy fast
[01:39:44] <robin_sz> yep
[01:39:56] <robin_sz> we used to run 3/4" birch ply, single pass
[01:40:00] <robin_sz> 10m a minute
[01:40:02] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: the 440 is almost like the G0704.
[01:40:08] -!- Loetmichel [Loetmichel!~cylly@p54B11180.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:40:08] <evil_ren> the one i was using had popup pins, you just shove the boards into the 3 pins, hit go
[01:40:27] <CaptHindsight> does anyone make a double-sided tape bed? with a big roll of tape?
[01:40:33] <robin_sz> yep, thats nice, I bought one like thatm but never powered it up lol
[01:40:35] <Polymorphism> 10.5k USD
[01:40:36] <Polymorphism> too much
[01:40:37] <pink_vampire> and yeah.. you can go deep on aluminum. but for steel no way.
[01:40:38] <Polymorphism> deluxe with stand
[01:40:46] <Polymorphism> compared to 2k
[01:40:52] <Polymorphism> I was thinking about it for a minute
[01:40:54] <Polymorphism> but now I realize
[01:40:56] <Polymorphism> thats just way too much
[01:41:01] <Polymorphism> and probably way more than I need
[01:41:15] <Polymorphism> tormach 440 looks like you could mill parts for nasa
[01:41:16] <robin_sz> evil_ren, we had an Italian 8x4 with pop-up pins .. Bulleri? i think that was it
[01:41:20] <gregcnc> Capthindsight do you have trouble falling out of bed?
[01:41:28] <pink_vampire> but for cutting panels you need long travel.
[01:41:34] <robin_sz> I sold it for 4K
[01:41:39] <evil_ren> robin_sz: ya i didnt really understand where mine came from
[01:41:49] -!- Loetmichel2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[01:41:49] <evil_ren> holz her? like it was both german and brazilian
[01:41:50] <Simonious> I've got this center star: https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOrc8IlOyOiJd4RpL-rcgsXkmpp8zh7t_i4HSA1 but I kinda want https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/d5/cb/e1d5cbd6f3cde9c0238b99d7d5f0e4f4.jpg I'm not totally sure how to do the over/under lines, but.. we'll see :)
[01:41:59] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: no I fall out of bed pretty easily
[01:42:03] <Polymorphism> pop up pins
[01:42:04] <robin_sz> pink_vampire, for big panels, you need to be able to nest them economically into the sheet
[01:42:06] <Polymorphism> this is great
[01:42:07] <Polymorphism> oh no
[01:42:11] <Polymorphism> I;m addicted already
[01:42:39] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: then you don't want us to mention automatic tool changers or sheet feeders...
[01:42:43] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: what is the bigger item that you want to machine?
[01:42:49] <Polymorphism> I'm already dreaming of the automatic tool changer
[01:42:54] <Polymorphism> not sure what the sheet feeder is
[01:43:06] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, probably 12"x12" for enclosures
[01:43:09] <evil_ren> honestly if cost is an issue dont waste money on tool changers
[01:43:18] <djdelorie> it feeds sheets of plywood into the machine
[01:43:20] <Polymorphism> if it cost just a little more money for a much larger machine that I could use for many other things I would consider it
[01:43:22] <evil_ren> changing tools isnt that much drama
[01:43:26] <robin_sz> you have a stack of sheets of material, 8x4 ... it just loads them automatically
[01:43:29] <Polymorphism> but my primary requirement is around 12"x12"x4" max
[01:43:51] <Polymorphism> oh wow I see
[01:43:52] <evil_ren> you would still need to do two setups to do rack panels
[01:43:55] <evil_ren> with that envelope
[01:43:59] <Polymorphism> so you just set it and forget it and mass produce hundreds of parts
[01:44:01] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: the 440 can do 12" by 12"??
[01:44:14] <evil_ren> i think more, no?
[01:44:16] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, I'm trying to determine that
[01:44:21] <evil_ren> and less, i dont think its square
[01:44:47] <robin_sz> we had a Haas mill with tool change to do 19" panels ... the router is WAY faster
[01:44:47] <pink_vampire> 10” x 6.25” x 10” Work Envelope
[01:45:17] <Polymorphism> thats probably smallert than I'd like
[01:45:18] <evil_ren> 10” x 6.25” x 10”
[01:45:24] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_1000/public/field/image/austinROADS0522c2.jpg?itok=GBqKwLXe for holding parts to the bed
[01:45:25] <robin_sz> we used to buy 1.75" and 3.5" bar stock ... it took .. forever
[01:45:34] <evil_ren> haha, my taig is like the same, X and Y
[01:45:39] <gregcnc> what the
[01:45:40] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you need very high speed spindle for small endmills.
[01:45:48] <pink_vampire> 20-60K rpm
[01:45:48] <evil_ren> 12.0 x 5.5 x 6.0
[01:45:49] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, 20k rpm?>
[01:45:59] <pink_vampire> you can calculate it.
[01:46:06] <evil_ren> you can get away with 10k
[01:46:10] <Polymorphism> I can run 20k
[01:46:24] <evil_ren> yeah you can calc it, but for a lot of small tools you need to spin at like 100k
[01:46:29] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-usb-3a-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[01:46:35] <Polymorphism> I can't spin at 100k
[01:46:41] <evil_ren> no one can, thats my point
[01:46:43] <Polymorphism> thats absurd
[01:46:48] <gregcnc> not really
[01:46:56] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you can go even to 120K with air
[01:47:01] <evil_ren> so you go as fast as you can, and do you calculations based on that
[01:47:08] <djdelorie> My machine has a 56k air-driven spindle...
[01:47:26] <evil_ren> he doesnt want to spend a lot
[01:47:46] <evil_ren> i dont think youre going to get a 56k spindle for a few $k
[01:47:52] <robin_sz> engraving on a mill is HARD
[01:47:55] <pink_vampire> that nice - Feed rate ： 300~5000mm/min
[01:48:17] <evil_ren> i do a lot of PCB engraving
[01:48:38] <robin_sz> we gave up trying to engrave
[01:48:40] <djdelorie> evil_ren: it was $30 at grizzly :-)
[01:48:47] <evil_ren> precision isnt an issue, tool life is
[01:48:54] <robin_sz> unless you have a floating-nose-cone engraver, it looks shit
[01:49:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181811459860 60K rpm $900
[01:49:06] <evil_ren> djdelorie: whats runout? how much power?
[01:49:17] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[01:49:21] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: (Z)140mm ( nice!!
[01:49:23] <djdelorie> Grizzly H8212
[01:49:23] <evil_ren> robin_sz: i got one of those, from 2linc
[01:49:27] <evil_ren> well, cheaper from ebay
[01:49:36] <evil_ren> works pretty well on the test cuts i did
[01:49:40] <robin_sz> evil_ren, getting nice engraving depth over a 19" panel is hard on a mill, keeping +- 0.2mm
[01:49:49] <djdelorie> the runout is pretty low, esp compared to a dremel. I do 0.013" drills with it
[01:49:52] <robin_sz> so we laser engrave now
[01:50:00] <robin_sz> its quick and easy on anodised ally
[01:50:01] <evil_ren> yeah that would be a lot less drama
[01:50:10] <robin_sz> 10W laser works fine
[01:50:13] <Polymorphism> I dont want to spend more than 3500 ideally
[01:50:19] <Polymorphism> USD
[01:50:28] <evil_ren> for PCB stuff i mostly use 30d conicals, so depth not that big a deal
[01:50:33] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, just get an old knee mill
[01:50:41] <robin_sz> fit steppers
[01:50:44] <evil_ren> and convert?
[01:50:51] <djdelorie> evil_ren: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1y6Eq19EU
[01:50:56] <evil_ren> yeah if you have the time and are technical
[01:51:24] <Polymorphism> I'm technical
[01:51:26] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: for 1/8" end mill 4 fluts in aluminum you need about 10K rpm.
[01:51:27] <Polymorphism> but I don't have the time
[01:51:32] <Polymorphism> not anymore =(
[01:51:53] <evil_ren> djdelorie: endmills, sideways
[01:52:02] <Polymorphism> thats no problem
[01:52:05] <evil_ren> you made a wood cnc
[01:52:06] <evil_ren> =\
[01:52:18] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: and the calculation is for HSS for carbide you can go much faster.
[01:52:24] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-760-V-2-cnc-mill-plus-free-cnc-knee-mill-Great-Deal-/262330315038?hash=item3d141af11e:g:~0AAAOSwyjBW4tZw
[01:52:34] <djdelorie> evil_ren: I've milled PCBs too, see http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/127-63-disk.html
[01:52:42] <Polymorphism> someone posted that earlier
[01:52:44] <djdelorie> and yes, wooden cnc machine :-)
[01:52:49] <skunkworks> we are converting a matsuura at the moment..
[01:52:49] <robin_sz> pink_vampire, you want single flute
[01:52:51] <Polymorphism> problem is local pickup and a bit too much
[01:53:04] <Polymorphism> thats amazing
[01:53:04] <evil_ren> http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/drilltest-cnc-015.html
[01:53:06] <robin_sz> thats for two!
[01:53:07] <Polymorphism> I want to mill pcbs as well
[01:53:12] <evil_ren> bit rough, heh
[01:53:25] <skunkworks> If you start with a cnc you are about 89% there,,,
[01:53:33] <pink_vampire> robin_sz: single flute is just for very high spindle.
[01:53:33] <djdelorie> I was pushing the speed. Both times the bit broke
[01:53:34] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, thats for two ... sell one
[01:53:41] <evil_ren> i was having really good luck with oyramid profile cutters
[01:53:55] <djdelorie> also, learned to always approach the hole from the same XY direction, to remove backlash issues.
[01:54:08] <robin_sz> pink_vampire, below 6mm you want single flute
[01:54:12] <evil_ren> https://www.2linc.com/engraving_tools_pyramid.htm
[01:54:26] <djdelorie> this is a better sample: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/osboard-cnc-015-closeup.html
[01:54:30] <pink_vampire> robin_sz: not true.
[01:54:35] <Polymorphism> these prices!?
[01:54:37] <Polymorphism> so reasonable
[01:54:40] <evil_ren> 30 degrees, .005" radius, i was doing down to .008" space trace boards
[01:54:42] <Polymorphism> for some reason I thought tools were 100 each
[01:55:14] <robin_sz> pink_vampire, so, say 6mm ... what rpm do I need to spin to get the correct tip speed (sfm) for aluminium?
[01:55:22] <Polymorphism> .2mm spacing???
[01:56:11] <pink_vampire> 5K
[01:56:21] <robin_sz> nah, way too slow
[01:56:36] <robin_sz> 12mm cutters maybe
[01:56:37] <evil_ren> polymorphism: ya
[01:56:42] <pink_vampire> for HSS.
[01:56:55] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng9LCBZK89g
[01:57:09] <evil_ren> http://i.imgur.com/gXzvL01.jpg
[01:57:14] <pink_vampire> for carbide you can go 20K
[01:57:20] -!- alibama has quit [Quit: alibama]
[01:57:30] <Polymorphism> this is amazing
[01:57:30] <evil_ren> check out the .012" via drills
[01:57:43] <Polymorphism> it hasnt always been like this has it
[01:57:52] <evil_ren> ?
[01:57:53] <Polymorphism> the abilitry to create pcbs at home for 2000
[01:58:03] <Polymorphism> or less
[01:58:04] <evil_ren> i did that board like 8 years ago
[01:58:05] <CaptHindsight> how do you handle vias and through holes? Just leave them without any copper?
[01:58:15] <Polymorphism> what machine?
[01:58:25] <evil_ren> capthindsight: vias you have to lace
[01:58:28] <evil_ren> its drama
[01:58:32] <djdelorie> #80 drills and 28 gauge brass wire are a perfect combo :-)
[01:58:37] <evil_ren> and through hole stuff, you just have to be away
[01:58:42] <evil_ren> DRC wont really help
[01:58:43] <CaptHindsight> or 2+ layers
[01:58:51] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/amp.JPG
[01:58:53] <skunkworks> milles
[01:58:56] <skunkworks> milled
[01:59:00] <evil_ren> like you just have to know not to route a trace under a connector where you cant get to it to solder it
[01:59:01] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: how do you hold #80 drill??
[01:59:12] <djdelorie> in the cnc machine, of course...
[01:59:22] <Polymorphism> thats exaclty the type of thing I want to do
[01:59:25] <evil_ren> polymorphism: taig 2019
[01:59:25] <djdelorie> also http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/
[01:59:45] <pink_vampire> it's with 1/8" shank?
[01:59:48] <djdelorie> yes
[01:59:55] <robin_sz> pink_vampire, 2 or 4 flutes means stupid high feed rates to hit .005" to 0.008" chips ... run about 2m a minute 18K singleflute, with 2 flute that feed would need to double, and the space for chip clearance in the tool is halved .. its going to bind up
[01:59:56] <pink_vampire> ok...
[01:59:58] <os1r1s> This line will signal a fault on an axis, right? net Xfault-in parport.0.pin-10-in => axis.0.amp-fault-in
[02:00:03] <evil_ren> polymorphism: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router-/151666655360
[02:00:06] <os1r1s> Pins modified for course ...
[02:00:09] <djdelorie> pcb drills and mills are usually 1/8 shank
[02:00:12] <evil_ren> ive had mine almost 10 years, its the same machine
[02:00:21] <Polymorphism> ????
[02:00:27] <Polymorphism> evil_ren, now you've got my attention
[02:00:29] <Polymorphism> whats this all about
[02:00:35] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/schem/latestcurrentlimit/right.JPG
[02:00:37] <evil_ren> well, its a real machine tool
[02:00:39] <Polymorphism> the work area though
[02:00:49] <Polymorphism> only 3.5" ???
[02:00:53] <evil_ren> 12x5.5x6
[02:01:13] <Polymorphism> too small I think
[02:01:14] <evil_ren> no the table is 3.5" wide
[02:01:20] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/Nt50ynf.png
[02:01:23] <robin_sz> then buy that Matsuura :)
[02:01:27] <evil_ren> well, thats more than the tormach you linked
[02:01:35] <evil_ren> in terms of panel widths in a single setup
[02:01:39] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/top.JPG
[02:01:44] <evil_ren> the tormach was 10" X, this is 12" X
[02:01:51] <Polymorphism> true
[02:01:58] <Polymorphism> its also smaller than the 6040 though
[02:02:00] <evil_ren> maybe 11.5" officially, mine will go 12" fine
[02:02:02] <Polymorphism> just weighing my options
[02:02:14] <evil_ren> anyway, its a micromill
[02:02:17] <Polymorphism> is this the machine you use?
[02:02:20] <robin_sz> and if you want some blank 2U x 19" panels ... let me know, I have a few hundred kilos
[02:02:26] <evil_ren> it fits in the trunk of a volvo, mounted to a 2x4 folding table
[02:02:37] <evil_ren> also in the hatchback of a scion tc
[02:02:38] <robin_sz> of 3.5" x 20" blank stock
[02:02:51] <evil_ren> oh no shit?
[02:02:56] <evil_ren> how much?
[02:03:03] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: also the smallest the end mill you need less torque
[02:03:04] -!- unfy [unfy!~Miranda@wsip-184-185-82-30.om.om.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:03:25] <robin_sz> scrap price I guess, no use to us
[02:03:45] <pink_vampire> you can get a machine with ACME screes for very cheap.
[02:03:54] <robin_sz> we gave up machining from stock, too hard
[02:04:26] <evil_ren> because the finish or what?
[02:04:36] <robin_sz> because of the setup
[02:04:49] <robin_sz> its way easier to stick an 8x4 on the router
[02:05:09] <robin_sz> come back 4 hours later, 60 front panels
[02:06:47] -!- Ralith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[02:06:58] <robin_sz> and we cut all the way around, so no tapering in the passes for the end profiles
[02:07:12] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make some chips, I need to make 4 parts, to from each one (3d machining) http://i.imgur.com/Nt50ynf.png
[02:07:20] <robin_sz> the stock varies +- 0.5mm
[02:07:32] <robin_sz> bedtime ...
[02:07:37] -!- robin_sz has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[02:08:01] -!- teepee has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[02:08:01] teepee_ is now known as teepee
[02:08:08] -!- Ralith [Ralith!~ralith@c-24-56-249-231.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:08:12] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: how many panel do you need to make?
[02:08:19] <pink_vampire> panels?
[02:09:07] <Polymorphism> 10 per product
[02:09:13] <Polymorphism> with 5-10 cuts per panel
[02:09:23] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9oK5pBK18
[02:09:50] <pink_vampire> that is the speed of the chinese engravers.
[02:10:05] <Polymorphism> is that bad?
[02:10:07] <Polymorphism> or good
[02:10:11] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awah4PXwAAo
[02:10:35] <pink_vampire> you need to decide..
[02:11:09] <evil_ren> that seems like pretty typical speeds
[02:11:13] <Polymorphism> it looks good to me
[02:11:15] <pink_vampire> for me it's ok.. I can do with my machine 5M/min, but I set it to 600mm/min,
[02:11:31] -!- alibama [alibama!~parker@c-50-134-13-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:11:34] <Polymorphism> thats also way thicker than what I want to cut
[02:11:39] <Polymorphism> I want to cut this material
[02:11:50] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJCSRXZf_Ok
[02:12:18] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Split-body-Extruded-Aluminum-Box-Enclosure-Case-Project-electronic-DIY-110-88-38-/380955959898
[02:12:22] <Polymorphism> I need to cut the end plate
[02:12:24] <Polymorphism> and also the top
[02:12:55] <Polymorphism> wow
[02:12:58] <Polymorphism> but the speed doesnt mean a lot to me
[02:13:02] <Polymorphism> if it can do the same job
[02:13:09] <Polymorphism> and auto tool changer...
[02:13:11] <Polymorphism> how much???!
[02:13:21] <pink_vampire> the datron..
[02:13:35] <pink_vampire> I want to know also the price..
[02:14:14] <pink_vampire> people say about 50K$
[02:14:20] <Polymorphism> woah
[02:14:22] <Polymorphism> way too much
[02:14:43] <pink_vampire> but it huge, and granit base..
[02:14:52] <pink_vampire> 60K spindle, tool changer.
[02:15:28] <pink_vampire> hsk collets
[02:16:15] <pink_vampire> and it's just look soo slick and cool.
[02:17:08] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: example of how fast you can cut in aluminum with the right machine: https://youtu.be/ifMn6pHXLMM?t=11m45s
[02:19:55] <Polymorphism> ???
[02:19:58] <Polymorphism> incredible
[02:20:02] <Polymorphism> but I only need this thickness max
[02:20:02] <Polymorphism> http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1MrL1GXXXXXbcXFXXq6xXFXXXo/200042748/HTB1MrL1GXXXXXbcXFXXq6xXFXXXo.jpg
[02:21:08] <unfy> spindle on the 6040 looks beefier
[02:21:12] <Polymorphism> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1n.huJVXXXXaxXpXXq6xXFXXXo/10-pcs-electrical-aluminum-box-extruded-powder-coating-outlet-enclosure-39-96-100mm-aluminum-project-box.jpg
[02:21:16] <Polymorphism> than what?
[02:21:19] <Polymorphism> unfy,
[02:21:29] <pink_vampire> 39mm is nothing,
[02:21:47] <unfy> than the '4060' in the video before it
[02:21:59] <unfy> could just be optical illusion and me being really busy at work atm heh
[02:22:46] <CaptHindsight> landscape spindles tend to be bigger than portrait mode spindles
[02:22:59] <Polymorphism> lol
[02:23:57] <Polymorphism> so I'm picturing clamping down that case
[02:24:06] <Polymorphism> and cutting a perfect rectangle and 4 mounting screw holes for an lcd
[02:24:07] <Polymorphism> in the top
[02:24:33] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you can't
[02:24:34] <Polymorphism> and then double sided tape the end panels to spoiboard and mill several cutouts for knobs, jacks, etc
[02:24:46] <pink_vampire> the corners have to round.
[02:24:51] <Polymorphism> thats fine
[02:24:58] <Polymorphism> I shouldnt have said perfect
[02:24:59] <pink_vampire> or you can push them out.
[02:25:04] <Polymorphism> I meant compared to my sloppy work with a dremel
[02:25:27] <Polymorphism> 2mm
[02:25:34] <unfy> methinks 'perfect' meant that it's a straight lined rectangle, not sharp corners :D
[02:25:48] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: http://imgur.com/a/LtdkC
[02:26:04] <pink_vampire> look how I solved it.
[02:26:12] <Polymorphism> yes
[02:26:13] <Polymorphism> a lot like that
[02:26:33] <unfy> i like that, vampire, i like it alot
[02:26:35] <Polymorphism> but I want to put the whole case in there
[02:27:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuYCQEo17V0 Homemade Punch Press
[02:28:08] <pink_vampire> unfy: thanks :)
[02:29:16] <pink_vampire> I need to make curve cavity, without ball endmill :(((
[02:29:30] <pink_vampire> I have just 1/32 ball endmill
[02:29:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmj42zD8yEs diy punch & die
[02:30:30] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: wire edm
[02:30:49] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8LH_MOZcc
[02:30:56] <CaptHindsight> make a few dies for connector openings..... rock-n-roll
[02:31:07] <pink_vampire> I like the red color on the gear,
[02:31:50] <Polymorphism> wtf?
[02:31:53] <Polymorphism> its miniature lol
[02:32:51] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: but it's soooo adorable and cute.
[02:33:13] <Polymorphism> it really is
[02:37:42] <unfy> can't wait for my copy of machinery's handbook to arrive in next few days \o/
[02:38:02] <pink_vampire> unfy: what version?
[02:38:25] <unfy> relatively old. 21st edition / '79
[02:39:00] <unfy> reading some of the reviews of the recent reprint / edition and poor paper quality, i figured i'd grab an older copy on the cheap instead
[02:39:23] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsoC3i7JYc
[02:39:24] <Polymorphism> I'm sold!!!
[02:39:42] <CaptHindsight> don't listen to the Texas school system, the math hasn't changed
[02:40:04] -!- asdfasd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[02:40:27] <CaptHindsight> tap, drill, gauge etc tables haven't changed either
[02:40:42] <unfy> capt: the only possible concern i could see would be that a given cutter isn't made anymore or have to find the cross for it etc
[02:40:53] <pink_vampire> unfy: for how much you get it?
[02:40:59] <unfy> $30 shipped
[02:41:04] <pink_vampire> wow!
[02:41:09] <CaptHindsight> yeah few extra seconds on Google
[02:41:11] <unfy> well, 30usd
[02:41:30] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGpvWqLK-s&t=1m30s
[02:41:33] <Polymorphism> I'm sold!!
[02:41:34] <pink_vampire> I need to be able to do CTRL+F
[02:41:54] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: It's like me and datron..
[02:41:55] <unfy> that's what toc/index/page tabs are for :D
[02:42:21] <pink_vampire> unfy: NO!
[02:43:00] <Sync> unfy: well, there are no real specific cutters in there so there is no problem
[02:43:00] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: my first cnc machine was from CDROM parts.
[02:43:08] <Sync> although some of the values might be too low for today
[02:43:16] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGpvWqLK-s&t=0m40s
[02:43:20] <Polymorphism> the tools come out of a little room with a door!
[02:43:59] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: AGAIN it's not the machine - is the cam program.
[02:44:26] <Polymorphism> surely its both
[02:44:31] <Polymorphism> I can';t just fire up this software on the 6040
[02:44:48] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1Mb6G_VJ0
[02:44:54] <Polymorphism> this is legendary
[02:45:03] <pink_vampire> you can do it.
[02:45:09] <pink_vampire> on ANY machine
[02:45:52] <Polymorphism> mirror finish though!
[02:45:53] <Polymorphism> on that machine
[02:45:58] <Polymorphism> amazing
[02:46:10] <pink_vampire> on the 6040 it will be abit smaller and poor quality, but the grode will work.
[02:47:06] <CaptHindsight> 28th edition is online as pdf
[02:47:30] <pink_vampire> link
[02:47:40] <pink_vampire> never saw it
[02:47:52] <unfy> for coding, yeah i prefer something i can grep etc, but for the book / manual thing... i'd rather get to know the manual :D
[02:49:23] <Sync> oh god, is that shit set in word
[02:49:24] <Sync> bah
[02:49:27] <Sync> can't look at it
[02:51:07] <pink_vampire> I need 1/8" ball endmill..
[02:51:45] <Polymorphism> I need 1/32"
[02:52:28] <pink_vampire> LOL
[02:52:39] <pink_vampire> I have 1/32" ball end mill..
[02:53:39] <unfy> cap: i'll assume via nefarious means
[02:54:15] -!- wert [wert!~wert@123.122.193.23] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:55:39] <unfy> granted, it'd be kinda fun to kill 3-5 reams of paper printing that bad boy :D
[02:57:15] <pink_vampire> 0.0305
[02:57:16] <pink_vampire> 0.031
[02:57:19] <unfy> and then either sheet protectors or laminate it. great googly moogly .... 2500 pages of standard copy paper PLUS lamination ? wtf is it a bill passed by us congress ?!
[02:57:20] <pink_vampire> 0.033
[02:57:27] <pink_vampire> 0.033
[02:57:30] <pink_vampire> 0.124
[02:57:44] <pink_vampire> 1.4995
[02:57:48] <pink_vampire> 1.502
[02:57:54] <pink_vampire> 0.000
[02:57:54] <pink_vampire> 0.0005
[02:57:55] <pink_vampire> 0.000
[02:58:09] <pink_vampire> omg
[02:58:44] <pink_vampire> and I didn't understand way it's not typing..
[02:58:56] <pink_vampire> it's send everything here.
[03:00:15] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: unfy^
[03:03:25] <pink_vampire> my caliper
[03:06:21] -!- alibama has quit [Quit: alibama]
[03:06:23] <Not-Renny> 5 axis CNC crud is a thing!?
[03:06:30] <Not-Renny> O_o
[03:07:18] <pink_vampire> Not-Renny: I'm with 3 axis
[03:22:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.levil.com/
[03:26:33] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[03:30:45] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:36:31] -!- Inheritance [Inheritance!~theorist@c-75-67-53-155.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:36:42] <Inheritance> http://openbuildspartstore.com/c-beam-machine-mechanical-bundle/ how does this compare to the 6040
[03:45:42] -!- skunksleep has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[03:46:43] <pink_vampire> smaller
[03:47:15] -!- gonzo_nb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[03:47:17] <pink_vampire> X Axis Travel 350mm - (13.5") Y Axis Travel 280mm - (11")
[03:47:24] <pink_vampire> Inheritance: ^
[03:48:29] <Inheritance> I see
[03:49:22] <pink_vampire> do you have something now?
[03:49:43] <CaptHindsight> trolls are out in force
[03:49:56] <Inheritance> no
[03:50:05] <Inheritance> this is my first cnc
[03:50:21] <pink_vampire> what do you want to make with it?
[03:50:54] <pink_vampire> Inheritance: ^
[03:51:34] <Inheritance> pink_vampire, I'm Polymorphism
[03:51:52] <pink_vampire> ok...
[03:52:09] <pink_vampire> why did you change the nick?
[03:52:12] <Inheritance> so I'd like to machine extruded aluminum housings with custom cutouts
[03:52:16] <Inheritance> I'm on laptop now
[03:52:26] <pink_vampire> ok
[03:52:54] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[03:52:57] <pink_vampire> let me few min
[03:53:01] <Inheritance> ok
[03:53:05] <pink_vampire> I have an idea for you
[03:54:17] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:58:50] <pink_vampire> are you close to NY?
[03:59:35] <pink_vampire> I'm in NY and if you want I can help you to cut the metal parts for your machine.
[04:01:34] <pink_vampire> Inheritance: ^
[04:04:05] <Inheritance> I'm pretty far from there
[04:04:50] <pink_vampire> :(
[04:04:59] <pink_vampire> where are you?
[04:05:46] <pink_vampire> Inheritance: ^
[04:05:54] <Inheritance> vt
[04:07:38] <Inheritance> I think the 6040 will meet my needs
[04:07:42] <Inheritance> just need to figure out which one
[04:08:23] <pink_vampire> heh that far
[04:08:54] <pink_vampire> for metal I will with strong spindle.
[04:11:42] -!- memfrob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[04:12:02] <minibnz> woo ballscrews installed and under test now :)
[04:12:08] <unfy> \o/
[04:14:01] <minibnz> will see how round my circles are now that i have backlash reduced to 0.02mm Y and 0.03mm on X axis. i had 0.52 on y and 0.85 backlash with the stock leadscrews instaled.it might even be possible to run my axis faster before it drops steps
[04:14:48] <pink_vampire> 0.02 is ok..
[04:16:02] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Read error: No route to host]
[04:16:04] -!- BitEvil__ [BitEvil__!~quassel@mauve.plus.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:16:05] <os1r1s> Is there a way to delay the reading of a fault input pin until after the servo drive is enabled?
[04:16:15] BitEvil__ is now known as 5EXAAGYI5
[04:16:52] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: in what driver?
[04:16:54] <minibnz> after i test the circle i will try cutting a gear.. it has round lobes and should be about 24mm in diameter, last time it ended up with 23.2 to 24.9mm diameters on the diagonals was not happy the gear would not roll in the box.
[04:17:06] <os1r1s> pink_vampire On linuxcnc
[04:17:24] <pink_vampire> I have no idea
[04:18:00] <pink_vampire> minibnz: PICS
[04:18:03] <minibnz> os1r1s you are going to have to gate the error pin with the PLC.. that is you only allow the error pin to reach the controller once the enable pin of the servo is active.
[04:18:31] <minibnz> Pink_Vamprie i will do a write up as soon as i can.
[04:18:35] <os1r1s> minibnz ...
[04:18:45] <os1r1s> minibnz That is a pain
[04:19:17] <minibnz> it might not be the only way.. but its the only way i know.. and i DONT know everything :)
[04:20:33] <minibnz> you might be able to do it with just some net statements in the hal but i am not that well versed in that.. plc's are easy... its like basic but with graphics
[04:21:04] <os1r1s> net Xfault-in pcl720.0.pin-26-in => not.0.in
[04:21:04] <os1r1s> net Xfault not.0.out => axis.0.amp-fault-in
[04:21:19] <os1r1s> minibnz Any idea what that does?
[04:23:19] <minibnz> that looks like it takes the signal/net Xfault hooks it to the plc pin 26 and feeds that to the (not.0) inverter so 1=0 and 0=1 (probably for a active low input)
[04:23:19] <minibnz> then takes the output of the inverter not.0 assigns/pipes it to the axis.0 module fault input..
[04:24:09] <os1r1s> So basically just inverts it ...
[04:24:26] -!- eeFuchs [eeFuchs!~huehuehue@2a00:79c0:64b:2800:222:15ff:fecf:933d] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:24:27] -!- eFuchs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[04:24:51] <minibnz> so i would guess if you open up the classic ladder and look at the pins you could take pin26 pipe it into a AND gate input, the other input will get the Enable signal.. the output then goes to the error net/flag
[04:25:22] <minibnz> yes and also assigns it to a pin in the PLC so you can gate it or use it as a gate or what ever you like
[04:27:25] <os1r1s> minibnz The problem I have is that the fault pin reads true until the servo is enabled.
[04:27:42] <os1r1s> So linuxcnc enables it, then immediately disables it because the pin is false
[04:33:09] -!- ve7it has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[04:35:52] -!- Inheritance has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[04:47:32] -!- yasnak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:48:46] -!- wert [wert!~wert@123.122.193.23] has parted #linuxcnc
[04:52:01] -!- memfrob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[04:55:06] <pink_vampire> I just shrink down carabide cutter shank
[04:59:35] <pink_vampire> the shank now is 0.9 mm!!
[04:59:42] <pink_vampire> soo small!
[05:16:13] -!- Mathnerd314 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[05:17:50] <toastyde2th> i sometimes hate the linux community
[05:18:03] <toastyde2th> it seems like every halfassed neckbeard confuses "i don't know how to do that" with "that's not possible"
[05:18:48] <djdelorie> that's every community, not just linux
[05:19:22] <toastyde2th> linux seems to be especially prone to it
[05:19:53] <toastyde2th> and seems to have a high percentage of people who absolutely freak out when something is possible that they insisted is not for a half hour
[05:20:00] <toastyde2th> instead of just going "oh, interesting"
[05:20:23] <toastyde2th> like, networking? networking people do that way less.
[05:23:31] <pink_vampire> linux is 95% voodoo
[05:23:58] <toastyde2th> 95% voodoo, 5% documentation
[05:24:21] <toastyde2th> i guess the lesson i'm taking away from this is that nobody who uses linux understands SANs
[05:24:25] <toastyde2th> or storage of any sort
[05:24:59] <pink_vampire> I used to work with debian alot.
[05:25:16] <toastyde2th> same, i need to switch to centos
[05:25:19] <toastyde2th> not that i want to
[05:25:52] <5EXAAGYI5> toastyde2th: yeah.
[05:26:04] <5EXAAGYI5> Finding out something is possible that I thought wasn't is cool.
[05:26:19] <toastyde2th> same
[05:26:23] <pink_vampire> why you want to go to centos?
[05:26:38] <toastyde2th> i'm used to the networking community, where pretty much everyone has that "well i don't know if that's possible, sry" attitude
[05:26:48] <toastyde2th> versus linux, which tends to be "FUCK YOU AND YOUR MOTHER"
[05:27:02] <5EXAAGYI5> It depends
[05:27:07] <toastyde2th> pink_vampire, most of the shit I do is for consulting, and more junior sysadmins understand centos/rhel
[05:27:09] <5EXAAGYI5> I've seen a lot of that in ubuntu et al
[05:27:15] <5EXAAGYI5> I've not seen it in slackware say
[05:27:37] <toastyde2th> so if I have a bunch of debian servers, it's much more likely that one of my dudes will fuck the server up
[05:28:45] <toastyde2th> i'm just not as familiar with centos, so i need to start converting servers over to it to learn
[05:29:19] <djdelorie> full disclosure: I work for Red Hat...
[05:29:33] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[05:29:35] <pink_vampire> toastyde2th: do you want to install linuxcnc on centos?
[05:30:04] <toastyde2th> djdelorie, i've got no issues with redhat, I use their docs for lots of stuff
[05:30:23] <toastyde2th> pink_vampire, nah. I'm a fanuc guy when it comes to cnc
[05:30:33] <Lowridah> hmm i found a whole bunch of maybe 20-30 year old keo countersinks, i wonder if i'm nuts for wanting to try to use them as chamfer mills
[05:30:47] <toastyde2th> countersinks make great chamfer mills if you go slow
[05:30:54] <Lowridah> really
[05:30:57] <pink_vampire> so what are you doing here?
[05:30:57] <toastyde2th> yeh
[05:31:04] <Lowridah> i thought i was smoking crack for considering it
[05:31:16] <djdelorie> yeah, this is obviously the rant-about-linux-support channel...
[05:31:25] <Lowridah> linux has open sores
[05:31:27] <toastyde2th> pink_vampire, it's essentially the only machining/cnc channel there is. 70% of the discussion is machining, about 30% is linuxcnc
[05:31:27] <Lowridah> i heard
[05:31:39] <toastyde2th> and since i used to do it professionally, it's a cool place to hang out
[05:32:27] <pink_vampire> I'm with mach3..
[05:33:20] <pink_vampire> toastyde2th: ^
[05:33:34] <toastyde2th> never used either, except in sandboxes
[05:33:44] <toastyde2th> never on live metal
[05:35:26] <pink_vampire> i just cut a shank of end mill with it.
[05:35:37] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/BplhBF3.png
[05:35:57] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[05:36:08] <Lowridah> i do all my work in rhel7 and amazon linux professionally
[05:36:30] <pink_vampire> and this is what i'm working on it now http://i.imgur.com/Nt50ynf.png
[05:39:59] <toastyde2th> Lowridah, i've only worked with amazon in passing
[05:40:12] <toastyde2th> for some gis stuff
[05:40:42] -!- justanotheruser [justanotheruser!~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #linuxcnc
[05:42:25] <toastyde2th> my latest issue with linux has been trying to find someone who understands scsi/sas
[05:42:31] <Lowridah> i work in their server hw lab so i mostly only use the metal flavor which isn't exactly much like the ami
[05:42:51] <toastyde2th> because I'm trying to set up a sas fabric and get it to work properly with the hosts
[05:43:02] <toastyde2th> and apparently nobody is aware that sas is a network protocol
[05:43:03] <Lowridah> i deal mostly in sas through raid cards/expanders
[05:43:14] <Lowridah> but it's all off the shelf gear
[05:43:43] <djdelorie> I have a page about iscsi but I haven't seen a real scsi drive in ages...
[05:44:24] <toastyde2th> i wasn't exactly talking with them about their flavor of linux, we were doing gis stuff and I had written a toy program to do better startup/shutdown for the on-demand stuff
[05:44:32] <toastyde2th> based on load
[05:44:43] <toastyde2th> it worked much better than the stuff they had at the time
[05:44:48] <toastyde2th> not sure what the options are now
[05:45:26] <Lowridah> do you mean per-host like power on write, like something crazy, or just scaling up amounts of hosts through automation?
[05:45:48] <toastyde2th> the latter, but it can apply to either
[05:45:50] <Lowridah> i'd just size the amount of hosts you need and manage scaling by bringing them up over ipmi or something
[05:46:23] <toastyde2th> i wrote a pid loop to keep the load of whatever cluster at some predefined level
[05:46:26] <unfy> dj <3 tnx for all your contributions to... everything... over the years <3
[05:46:34] <toastyde2th> it doesn't really care about it being hardware or software
[05:46:36] <djdelorie> you're welcome :-)
[05:46:45] -!- 5EXAAGYI5 has quit [Quit: Bitcoin donations - 1G4cmnNzHCXSy7jjT7drT9vgJWquduZTbL]
[05:46:58] <toastyde2th> but it was neat because it worked with (in a simulator) 10 nodes equally well as 10k
[05:46:58] <unfy> was using the dos toolchain back in the 90's etc heh
[05:47:08] <djdelorie> me too :-)
[05:47:12] <Lowridah> i still have to use dos now and then for new product integration
[05:47:20] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[05:47:22] <Lowridah> hardware companies firmware stacks are often tied to it
[05:47:23] <toastyde2th> djdelorie, re:scsi we have a few sun boxes that are full of actual scsi drives
[05:47:26] <Lowridah> it's ridiculous
[05:47:34] <unfy> we still ship products using dos. but it's all embedded level stuff
[05:47:49] <djdelorie> Oh, I have some scsi drives around here too, but they've been in storage for ages, since sata came around
[05:47:59] <toastyde2th> my whole thing is I need to bring up a shitload of SAS drives on a cluster
[05:48:04] <toastyde2th> on the same sas fabric
[05:48:14] <toastyde2th> but only have some drives available to some hosts unless there's a failure
[05:48:19] <unfy> still got a few 9gb scsi drives floating around this building ._.
[05:48:23] <toastyde2th> then have nearest neighbor take them
[05:48:27] <Lowridah> that sounds kinda complex
[05:48:34] <Lowridah> i'd offload it from the sas protocol for sure
[05:48:35] <toastyde2th> and it turns out scsi has native support for that
[05:48:38] <Lowridah> use something like gfs or gluster
[05:48:44] <toastyde2th> Lowridah, this is for ceph
[05:48:53] <Lowridah> i dunno what that is tbh
[05:48:54] <toastyde2th> the issue is i'm trying to decouple host failures from drive failures
[05:48:59] <toastyde2th> it's like gluster but on steroids
[05:49:04] <Lowridah> ahh
[05:49:18] <djdelorie> sounds like multi-host scsi with cross-host heartbeats...
[05:49:24] <toastyde2th> that's exactly what it is
[05:49:49] <toastyde2th> so if i have 8 hosts and 8 drive trays, any host can go down and all the drives stay in the cluster
[05:50:01] <toastyde2th> all hosts can go down, really
[05:50:03] <toastyde2th> except one
[05:50:08] <djdelorie> yeah, today's drives are so cheap people don't need to do that any more, they just replicate the data
[05:50:51] <toastyde2th> in most cases, yeah
[05:50:54] <Lowridah> exactly, the only hosts i use that use sas now have four shelves of 33 drives a shelf
[05:51:12] <toastyde2th> my issue isn't the storage, it's the hosts
[05:51:15] <Lowridah> you can fit a lot of drives in 2u with modern hardware
[05:51:36] <toastyde2th> i can have one host with an entire rack, but if it goes down i suddenly have a lot of backend storage traffic while the cluster rebuilds
[05:52:01] <toastyde2th> it's much easier (for me) to have inexpensive SAS shit just hand the drives to another node and not have a bunch of migration/reconstruction for a simple reboot
[05:52:17] <djdelorie> I don't know how gluster does it, but that's our preferred HA storage solution
[05:52:29] <Lowridah> so then is it done using physical multipathing over expanders?
[05:52:33] <toastyde2th> gluster doesn't do it super well, you wouldn't be able to handle it there
[05:52:36] <Lowridah> i'm having a bit of trouble picturing it hardware wise
[05:52:39] <toastyde2th> Lustre and Ceph both do it
[05:52:50] <toastyde2th> it's either done directly on the expander, or on a sas switch
[05:53:04] <toastyde2th> if you have a 4/8 port expander, no need for a switch
[05:53:27] <toastyde2th> but if you use a switch, there's no need for expanders - you just plug the channels right into it
[05:53:39] <toastyde2th> so the trays get stupid cheap
[05:54:29] * djdelorie imagines a redundant cnc cluster - if a machine fails, robots move the part to another machine and it finishes the job...
[05:54:37] <Lowridah> this is all relevant to my interests, but it's beer time so i'm going to bookmark the page and wrap my head around it when i'm in a better way haha
[05:54:44] <toastyde2th> Lowridah, check ceph out
[05:54:55] <toastyde2th> it's very similar in functionality to ceph but handles the storage itself much more elegantly
[05:54:57] <Lowridah> toastyde2th: i plan on it, i have idle hardware and a lot of it
[05:55:22] <toastyde2th> you just hand it a pile of hard drives and walk away, no raid
[05:55:45] <toastyde2th> and good luck with yer beers
[05:56:00] <toastyde2th> *similar to gluster
[05:57:02] <unfy> so... how much would it scare people to know we also still use rh9.0 in a production environment around here ? :D
[05:57:56] <toastyde2th> hahah
[05:58:04] <Lowridah> that's just reckless
[05:58:19] <toastyde2th> i have a box with solaris 6 on it
[05:58:25] <unfy> that is "it does the job, it aint broke, dont fix it" :D
[05:58:53] <toastyde2th> it never gets rebooted and is on several upses
[05:58:57] <unfy> although i am getting things slowly migrated over to centos... either 5.x or maybe 6.x definetly not 7.x - not a fan of systemd at all
[05:59:00] <toastyde2th> everyone's afraid the drives won't spin back up
[05:59:08] <toastyde2th> aw but systemd
[05:59:40] <unfy> we had a slackware 3 box as our gateway that had dead drives in it for a year or so. ran out of what it had cached in ram for about 18 months :D
[06:00:45] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@181.92.53.24] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:00:50] <djdelorie> unfy: as long as you keep up with security errata...
[06:01:17] <djdelorie> I don't like systemd either, but I can see how it's better than sysvinit
[06:01:41] <unfy> dj: there's generally nothing public facing about these systems so we get a bit of a reprieve from the 'patch old bugs, introduced new bugs' cycle
[06:02:09] <djdelorie> as long as security has been considered :-)
[06:02:43] <unfy> i'm sure it was a fence post along the highway somewhere
[06:03:55] <unfy> 100amp bridge rectifier is here, yay!
[06:06:32] -!- leptonix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[06:06:39] <pink_vampire> 100amps for what??
[06:06:47] <pink_vampire> unfy: ^
[06:07:04] <unfy> horror freight welder hack
[06:07:39] <pink_vampire> spot welder?
[06:07:49] -!- memfrob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[06:09:09] <unfy> hmmm no. their cheap flux core wire feld welder. it's actually AC at the electrode. a large rectifier and 50000-100000uf in caps can turn it into a dc electrode-negative based welder. oh, and a largeish inductor if you want to as well
[06:09:58] <unfy> although, i've pondered if i could have a use for a spot welder. just not sure
[06:10:45] <unfy> although uhhhhh... multiple stuff for a CNC spot welder sounds neat.
[06:10:49] <unfy> dunno about practical though
[06:13:57] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[06:15:47] <unfy> would multiple of the O<| cheap supported round rails from china add any rigidity to things, or just cause more alignment headaches due to more rails & bearings & such ?
[06:16:10] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:17:41] -!- memfrob has quit [Client Quit]
[06:21:33] <toastyde2th> generally there's a preference for as few, large rails as possible
[06:26:43] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[06:26:50] <pink_vampire> unfy: do you have a pic of that?
[06:27:03] <unfy> 'that' being ?
[06:27:43] <pink_vampire> "freight welder hack"
[06:28:48] <unfy> "harbor freight welder mod" gets lots of hits on google or youtube. this has some pics: http://www.blinkenbyte.org/welder_conversion/welder_conversion.html
[06:30:54] <unfy> granted, at the cost of the rectifier (20-25), capacitor(s) (20-60), and maybe inductor (15?) ... if ya can find a $150-$200 110v welder that does what you want it's prolly a better deal :D
[06:34:07] <unfy> a WF2150 looks to be DC, runs off of 110, and can do flux core wire if you want ... and runs $185
[06:34:48] <pink_vampire> I want (some day) to get a tig
[06:35:00] <unfy> some day :D
[06:36:55] <pink_vampire> I don't have a welder.
[06:37:14] <pink_vampire> but I don't like junk..
[06:37:42] <unfy> i did some stick welding 20 years ago.... finally decided to just pick up the horror freight thing since it was like $80.
[06:38:15] <unfy> not a huge fan of junk either, but it should suit my needs... can go hobart or something later if it gets to the point of using it more than once a month
[06:38:49] <pink_vampire> lol horror freight !
[06:38:56] <pink_vampire> I like that.
[06:40:16] <pink_vampire> how is lincoln electric?
[06:40:48] <unfy> 'twas what i was working with years ago, and i liked it. most folks online seem to say it's alright.
[06:41:02] <unfy> their rods and wire and stuff seem to be highly suggested / regarded
[06:44:04] <pink_vampire> so they better than hobart?
[06:44:16] <unfy> i'm not qualified to answer that
[06:45:14] <pink_vampire> my gloves are hobart.
[06:45:23] <pink_vampire> very nice.
[06:51:39] <pink_vampire> 49592 lines of gcode O_O O_O
[06:53:23] -!- nofxx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[06:53:40] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@unaffiliated/nofxx] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:54:10] <pink_vampire> I need some good music.
[07:13:40] <toastyde2th> what kind of music
[07:19:04] <pink_vampire> inspire ..
[07:21:34] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
[07:21:58] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:23:50] -!- joem___ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[07:23:56] -!- joem__ [joem__!~joem_@2601:280:c100:3370:292f:1fd:b707:3623] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:39:23] -!- unfy has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
[07:48:37] -!- Akex_ [Akex_!uid58281@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unkkkdramhboftix] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:55:39] -!- Komzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[08:02:56] -!- vapula [vapula!~rolland@195.25.189.2] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:05:33] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[08:05:35] -!- shaun413 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[08:06:08] <pink_vampire> someone here?
[08:07:12] -!- SpeedEvil [SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:08:12] -!- TanayG has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[08:10:07] -!- Deejay [Deejay!~Deejay@unaffiliated/dj9dj] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:10:50] <Deejay> moin
[08:11:42] <pink_vampire> http://ustre.am/1qGHt
[08:11:47] <pink_vampire> morning Deejay
[08:12:35] -!- vapula has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[08:14:24] -!- vapula [vapula!~rolland@195.25.189.2] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:17:59] <Deejay> hi pink
[08:18:00] <Deejay> what are you making?
[08:19:49] <pink_vampire> handle for a mallet.
[08:22:14] <Deejay> an
[08:22:14] <Deejay> ah
[08:22:15] <pink_vampire> sooo slooow
[08:22:28] <pink_vampire> but super quite.
[08:24:03] <Deejay> hrhr
[08:24:38] <Deejay> can't go faster?
[08:25:01] <Deejay> what kind of wood is that?
[08:26:24] <pink_vampire> wood that split easy.
[08:26:58] <SpeedEvil> I think you may want a spoke-shave, not a CNC
[08:27:06] <SpeedEvil> Or indeed a knife.
[08:27:57] <pink_vampire> I want to make a cavity inside.
[08:28:40] <Deejay> splitting wood? so you will have little wood pieces in your fingers when working with the mallet? ;)
[08:29:03] <pink_vampire> no.
[08:29:18] <pink_vampire> but i can't go fast with low spindle.
[08:30:09] <pink_vampire> it did about 25%
[08:31:29] -!- swarfer [swarfer!~Thunderbi@105.184.192.136] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:31:38] <Deejay> hmm k.
[08:31:38] <Deejay> what speed does you spindle make?
[08:32:31] -!- gonzo_nb [gonzo_nb!~gonzo@host86-182-193-41.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:32:46] <pink_vampire> 744
[08:33:00] <pink_vampire> up to 1000rom
[08:33:02] <pink_vampire> rpm
[08:33:14] <pink_vampire> do you see the mini hammer?
[08:33:46] <Deejay> okay, thats not very fast ;)
[08:33:46] <Deejay> somewhat dark at your location ;)
[08:34:28] <pink_vampire> yeah,,
[08:34:37] <Deejay> not sure
[08:34:51] <pink_vampire> I turn off the light.
[08:35:13] <pink_vampire> I turn it on for you :)
[08:36:44] <Deejay> ah!
[08:36:44] <Deejay> indeed, a very small hammer :)
[08:36:49] -!- Deejay has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[08:37:13] -!- Deejay [Deejay!~Deejay@unaffiliated/dj9dj] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:37:18] <pink_vampire> I'm use it alot for setup.
[08:37:20] <Deejay> gnah, was disconnected
[08:37:47] <pink_vampire> but the handle is soo sharp.
[08:38:16] <Deejay> so you will make the wooden part around the handle?
[08:38:31] <Deejay> will there two pieces of wood glued together?
[08:38:32] <pink_vampire> it's skretch my skin
[08:38:44] <pink_vampire> yes.
[08:38:45] <Deejay> your skin is too sensitive ;)
[08:38:52] <pink_vampire> I know :(
[08:38:53] <Deejay> no worker hands ;)
[08:39:08] <Deejay> like bear paws
[08:39:09] <pink_vampire> did you saw my hands?
[08:39:26] <Deejay> yep, with long nails ;)
[08:39:49] <pink_vampire> they soo red.
[08:39:59] <pink_vampire> I don't know what to do :(
[08:40:44] <pink_vampire> everything irritate my skin
[08:41:10] <Deejay> :(
[08:44:25] <pink_vampire> I'm a lady.. but I like machinery
[08:44:50] <pink_vampire> for me to go shopping it's to get stock material.
[08:45:04] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@2601:681:200:179f:fc28:b0fe:bd6e:ae1b] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:45:29] <Deejay> hehe :)
[08:46:18] -!- swarfer has quit [Quit: swarfer]
[08:47:51] <pink_vampire> WTF the machine doing??
[08:48:11] <Deejay> dunno, YOU programmed it ;)
[08:49:34] <Not-Renny> Somebody's machine is going nuts?
[08:49:38] <pink_vampire> I know..
[08:50:05] <pink_vampire> it's make soooo many shit.
[08:50:13] <pink_vampire> WTF.
[08:50:26] <pink_vampire> up down up down up down up down
[08:50:33] <Deejay> didn't you check the g-code before? ;)
[08:50:54] <pink_vampire> yes.
[08:51:00] <pink_vampire> but it's sooooooooooooooo long.
[08:51:19] <Deejay> hehe
[08:51:29] <pink_vampire> so I jump to the end and saw that eventually it will be ok.
[08:52:11] <pink_vampire> as ling that it's make chips, I'm fine.
[08:52:36] <pink_vampire> long*
[08:54:23] <pink_vampire> I know the problem
[08:54:30] <pink_vampire> I need BALL end mill!
[08:56:05] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ^
[08:56:40] -!- ximits [ximits!58bcf4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.188.244.167] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:57:24] -!- ximits has quit [Client Quit]
[08:58:53] <Deejay> how many % is done?
[09:00:59] <pink_vampire> 50%
[09:01:15] <pink_vampire> exactly 50%
[09:01:28] <Deejay> oh, so will take some more time
[09:01:48] <pink_vampire> it's run about an hour.
[09:03:01] <pink_vampire> everything below 30 deg C!
[09:03:10] <pink_vampire> hour of running!
[09:03:16] <pink_vampire> that very nice
[09:05:15] <pink_vampire> I have a pcb to make.
[09:07:09] <pink_vampire> I want to power the stack light.
[09:09:23] <pink_vampire> it's so confusing if it running or not.
[09:14:01] <pink_vampire> 50 min to go :(
[09:14:42] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[09:19:16] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@c-76-27-43-96.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:19:25] -!- nofxx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[09:23:18] -!- rob_h [rob_h!~robh@90.206.253.218] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:36:18] <XXCoder> honme, I am
[09:36:30] <XXCoder> spell, I cant
[09:37:44] -!- solosoft [solosoft!~top@ti0004a400-3013.bb.online.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:40:25] -!- uwe_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[09:40:34] -!- uwe_mobile [uwe_mobile!~uwe@static.173.76.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:42:30] <XXCoder> miss0r: yo
[09:44:46] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[09:44:53] <Deejay> wb home
[09:44:55] <XXCoder> whats up
[09:47:30] -!- mal`` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[09:48:12] -!- teepee has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[09:48:12] teepee_ is now known as teepee
[09:51:53] -!- Tristitia has quit [*.net *.split]
[09:53:51] <pink_vampire> I finish the part by hand.
[09:54:04] <Deejay> is faster than milling? ;)
[09:54:37] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you finlly fixed the Z overheating issue?
[09:54:38] <pink_vampire> I mean, I just run the machine manually,
[09:54:47] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: yes
[09:54:52] <pink_vampire> gib
[09:55:03] <XXCoder> what was wrong with gib
[09:55:13] <pink_vampire> it was too close.
[09:55:28] <XXCoder> to each other?
[09:57:50] -!- swarfer [swarfer!~Thunderbi@105.184.192.136] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:58:41] -!- Tristitia [Tristitia!~tristitia@static-ip-69-64-50-196.inaddr.ip-pool.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:06:17] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: so how did you fix it
[10:06:34] <pink_vampire> open the gib abit
[10:06:47] <XXCoder> pretty strightforward
[10:07:19] <pink_vampire> there is 2 screws that secure it
[10:12:39] -!- teepee has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[10:12:39] teepee_ is now known as teepee
[10:13:33] <XXCoder> glad you finally solved that
[10:13:41] <XXCoder> I think I finally solved my van idle issues
[10:13:54] -!- jthornton [jthornton!~john@198.45.191.246] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:14:00] <XXCoder> I decided to just drive with it till it broke further
[10:14:12] <XXCoder> ans it did yeserday, o2 sensor stopped workin
[10:22:22] <pink_vampire> hooolyyy
[10:22:37] <pink_vampire> you have to see this
[10:22:52] <pink_vampire> http://ustre.am/1qGHt
[10:23:24] <pink_vampire> 1200 mm/min
[10:23:26] <Deejay> second half?
[10:23:31] <pink_vampire> yes
[10:23:36] <Deejay> yay, high speed :)
[10:23:39] <XXCoder> thats definitely decent speed
[10:24:56] <pink_vampire> wooow
[10:25:18] <XXCoder> wood?
[10:25:20] <pink_vampire> it's like the video of the pro machine
[10:25:23] <pink_vampire> yes.
[10:25:47] <XXCoder> man I really need to finish mine
[10:25:51] <XXCoder> and start making chips
[10:26:28] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:28:10] <pink_vampire> and I can go up to 5M/min
[10:29:11] <malcom2073> Whatcha making?
[10:29:53] <XXCoder> cutting pattern is.. werird
[10:29:56] <XXCoder> weird
[10:30:08] <pink_vampire> it's 3d cavity
[10:31:00] <pink_vampire> 55% done!
[10:31:05] <pink_vampire> wow that fast!
[10:31:07] <malcom2073> If there's one reason I'd go back to servos, it'd be to get that kind of speed out of my machine, that's damn fast heh
[10:31:48] -!- morbo_ [morbo_!~morbo@dyn-221-136.hrz.uni-kassel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:31:49] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: no.. that 20% of the max speed.
[10:32:01] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: The rapids?
[10:32:11] <pink_vampire> yes,
[10:32:14] <malcom2073> Nice
[10:32:30] <Sync> you know you want it malcom2073
[10:32:39] <malcom2073> Sync: I do :P
[10:35:48] <pink_vampire> It
[10:35:59] <pink_vampire> it's just on 1200mm/min
[10:36:13] <pink_vampire> I can't go any faster because the wood floor.
[10:36:30] <pink_vampire> DONE!
[10:37:02] -!- Jymmm has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[10:37:18] -!- Jymmm [Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:38:41] -!- swarfer has quit [Quit: swarfer]
[10:41:34] -!- skunkworks has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[10:45:52] <pink_vampire> my BF just wake up because the earthquake
[10:46:23] <pink_vampire> so I slow it down to 1000 mm/min
[10:48:08] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: what is your max feed rate?
[10:48:30] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I get around 600mm/minute
[10:48:47] <pink_vampire> that not bad at all.
[10:49:03] <pink_vampire> this is was I used to work all the time.
[10:49:13] <XXCoder> heh mines 200mm/min if I recall correctly
[10:49:25] <XXCoder> or was it 20mm/min hm forgot
[10:49:30] <XXCoder> doubt that low
[10:49:48] <pink_vampire> for engraver.. yes..
[10:50:18] <pink_vampire> it's dancing!
[10:50:38] <XXCoder> around and around and... leap!
[10:50:45] <pink_vampire> lol
[10:50:55] <pink_vampire> it's 100Kg table..
[10:51:07] <pink_vampire> but it move like nothing..
[10:52:56] <pink_vampire> I want thick solid concrete floor
[10:53:26] <XXCoder> vibrorations on floor can affect accuracy
[10:53:33] <XXCoder> not too much though
[10:54:33] -!- asdfasd [asdfasd!~332332@94.11.123.155] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:54:51] <pink_vampire> datron can go up to 22m/min
[10:55:09] <pink_vampire> I can go just 10% of that :(
[11:09:40] <XXCoder> how close to done is it now?
[11:10:27] <XXCoder> apparently now lol
[11:11:01] <pink_vampire> done
[11:11:16] <XXCoder> funny how I asked right when it finished
[11:11:58] <pink_vampire> now I need to fix some places.
[11:12:19] <pink_vampire> because it was done with flat end mill not ball end mill
[11:15:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:15:12] <XXCoder> ball end is great for 3d shapes
[11:15:37] <pink_vampire> I've order 10 of 1/8"
[11:16:25] <pink_vampire> any idea for glue?
[11:16:30] <pink_vampire> jb-weld?
[11:16:44] <XXCoder> vibro weld lol
[11:17:05] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/08/friction-welding-wood/
[11:17:44] <pink_vampire> wood to metal
[11:18:05] <XXCoder> I was kidding but reallty dunno
[11:18:31] <pink_vampire> I will go with jb weld
[11:33:00] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~skunkwork@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:06:14] * Polymorphism continues to agonize over cnc decision
[12:06:20] * Polymorphism would like to purchase this weekend
[12:06:33] <Polymorphism> my life will change soon, I will become cnc
[12:07:19] -!- maxcnc [maxcnc!~chatzilla@ip5f58618e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:07:31] <maxcnc> hi folks its raining here
[12:07:41] <maxcnc> no familie egg eastern search
[12:07:54] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: did you come to a decision
[12:08:26] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, not yet
[12:08:34] <Polymorphism> but its looking like some variation of the 6040
[12:08:41] <Polymorphism> *maybe* 6090 if I find the room
[12:08:43] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: 22is quite fast
[12:09:00] <maxcnc> up to you
[12:09:04] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: did you saw the live video?
[12:09:21] <maxcnc> i told you to go massive on your own
[12:09:32] <maxcnc> lots of people bye twice on you need
[12:09:47] <maxcnc> hell of speed
[12:10:02] <Polymorphism> are you saying go bigger than I think I'll need?
[12:10:12] <Polymorphism> I'd rather hjave too much room than too little
[12:10:16] <maxcnc> we testet a C40 from Hermle at 500kg part waigt at 8m/min
[12:10:25] <Polymorphism> I read molre about making a guitar though. it looks very difficult even with cnc
[12:10:30] <Polymorphism> so I won't buy for that reason at all
[12:10:47] <maxcnc> mo not bigger Polymorphism go stiffer and heavier
[12:10:49] <Polymorphism> I will stick to my primary need, cutting small aluminum enclosures for electronic projects//products
[12:10:54] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, ah ok I see what you mean
[12:11:01] <SpeedEvil> A proper guitar, or an electric guitar?
[12:11:21] <maxcnc> a big mashine can always mill pcb
[12:11:32] <maxcnc> but a pcb will not mill your aluplate
[12:11:55] <maxcnc> SBR25 or even TBR25 is what you need
[12:12:03] <maxcnc> in the most 6040 are 12mm ones
[12:12:13] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, can tyou help me decide between these 2 machines? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332 or this one: http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-usb-3a-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[12:12:18] <Polymorphism> the price is 1400, vs 2300
[12:12:24] <Polymorphism> I'm wondering if it's that much better
[12:12:25] <pink_vampire> omi
[12:12:25] <SpeedEvil> You really want >10000RPM spindle for PCB
[12:12:34] <Polymorphism> USB, a dust shroud for z axis, and better rails supposedly
[12:12:48] <Polymorphism> 3000-24000 rpm
[12:12:49] <SpeedEvil> so the stock spindle may not work of a big machine
[12:12:50] <Polymorphism> no problem there
[12:13:14] <maxcnc> i will not decide on your need between one of them
[12:13:29] <maxcnc> 4axis on that price is chees
[12:13:30] <Polymorphism> I just want to know if its built 900 better
[12:13:38] <Polymorphism> linear rail or something
[12:13:45] <Polymorphism> I don't fully understand
[12:13:47] <Polymorphism> better support I guess
[12:14:07] <Polymorphism> to an amateur like me the guide rods look just as good, but I don't know whats best yet
[12:15:01] <maxcnc> the hg20 will stand alu
[12:15:47] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: let's compered them
[12:15:52] <Polymorphism> ok
[12:16:06] <Polymorphism> the differences I can find pink_vampire
[12:16:13] <Polymorphism> USB for the x6 (but mach 3 ONLY they said)
[12:16:15] <pink_vampire> Screw Type - the same.
[12:16:23] <Polymorphism> so 2450 total for the x6
[12:16:36] <Polymorphism> I also see dust shroud on the x6 z axis
[12:16:40] <Polymorphism> I dont see the boot on the 6040
[12:16:47] <Polymorphism> and of course, linear guide rails
[12:16:56] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you can change to other controller / lpt for very cheap.
[12:17:15] <Polymorphism> I wouldnt want to at that price though
[12:17:26] <Polymorphism> it would seem like a waste, what would I even do with the old controller
[12:17:35] <Polymorphism> throw it away? =S
[12:17:40] <Polymorphism> I doubt anyone would buy it on ebay
[12:17:44] <Polymorphism> maybe for really cheap
[12:18:06] <Polymorphism> I read about buying just the frame and adding electronics spindle etc
[12:18:15] <maxcnc> all hwins on that mashine are less then 250USD in price
[12:18:18] <Polymorphism> but they said you won't save any money that way and its a better deal to buy the kit
[12:18:34] <Polymorphism> hwin?
[12:18:35] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: the chip guard cnc os easy to make / get/
[12:18:37] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@host50.190-30-168.telecom.net.ar] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:19:13] <maxcnc> the mashine price is 850usd in parts
[12:19:38] <maxcnc> ali prices
[12:19:40] <pink_vampire> get the body. and put some servos,
[12:20:00] <pink_vampire> and use the controller that you like.
[12:20:10] <Polymorphism> I see what you mean
[12:20:27] <Polymorphism> how much work is it to go from a frame to adding motors and spindle + controller?
[12:20:30] <pink_vampire> but honestly, the X6 look very nice.
[12:20:30] <Polymorphism> I have to consider the time as well
[12:20:51] <pink_vampire> me.. 1 year..
[12:21:02] <Polymorphism> 1 year!?!?!
[12:21:11] <pink_vampire> maybe even more.
[12:21:20] <pink_vampire> I got the machine in 2014..
[12:21:25] <Polymorphism> thats too long for me
[12:21:33] <pink_vampire> get the X6
[12:21:35] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: You thinking of building your own machine now? :P
[12:21:45] <pink_vampire> look solid out of the box.
[12:21:53] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, was thinking of purchasing the 6040 frame adding linear HG20 rails and spindle etc
[12:22:06] <Polymorphism> I just wish it worked with linuxcnc
[12:22:17] <Polymorphism> they seemed to say it wouldnt when I emailed, maybe it can be made to work
[12:22:20] <malcom2073> Probably easier to build your own from scratch than to rebuild someone elses
[12:22:23] <Polymorphism> the thing is, I've never used linuxcnc, or mach 3
[12:22:24] <pink_vampire> you will end at the same price.. if now even more.
[12:22:32] <Polymorphism> ^thats my fear
[12:22:35] <pink_vampire> mach3 is super easy.
[12:22:35] <Polymorphism> plus the time invested
[12:22:42] <Polymorphism> what I mean to say is
[12:22:44] <malcom2073> The USB board won't work with linuxcnc
[12:22:45] <Polymorphism> I have no preference yet
[12:22:48] <Polymorphism> between linuxcnc and mach 3
[12:22:53] <pink_vampire> I can help you with mach3
[12:22:54] <malcom2073> The thing the USB board plugs into, will
[12:22:55] <Polymorphism> I love linux, I use it on all my machines
[12:23:05] <Polymorphism> but starting fresh with no exerience... maybe mach 3 is the best bet for me
[12:23:31] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, are you saying I could modify it?
[12:23:36] <Polymorphism> and add a parallel port as well or something
[12:23:48] <malcom2073> Mach3 is only easier because windows is easier, the actual application complexity is about the same for a simple 3 axis machine
[12:23:55] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: I'm using the C10 with LPT.
[12:24:07] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: Probably. The standard 6040 comes with a parallel port connector for hooking to the PC
[12:24:24] <Polymorphism> oh the spiundle is also 2.2kw
[12:24:25] <Polymorphism> vs 800w
[12:24:30] <Polymorphism> or 1.5kw I mean
[12:24:38] <Polymorphism> going back to comparing the two models for a moment
[12:24:47] <Polymorphism> rails, spindle, dust boot, usb
[12:24:53] <pink_vampire> go with the 2.2Kw if you want to cut metal.
[12:24:53] <Polymorphism> starting to sound worth the extra money
[12:25:05] <malcom2073> USB is a detriment fwiw, not a bonus
[12:25:29] <Polymorphism> why is that? I would mostly be getting it for the spindle and rails
[12:25:30] <malcom2073> parallel port works with either mach3 or linuxcnc. USB only works with mach3.
[12:25:35] <Polymorphism> I see
[12:25:42] <Polymorphism> but maybe it wouldnt be hard to modify?
[12:25:47] <pink_vampire> http://cnc4pc.com/c10-bi-directional-parallel-port-interface-card.html
[12:25:49] <Polymorphism> I REALLY like the idea of driving the machine with my laptop
[12:25:50] <maxcnc> im offf
[12:25:54] <Polymorphism> ttyl maxcnc
[12:25:56] -!- maxcnc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0/20160304114926]]
[12:26:10] <malcom2073> Yeah, you replace the USB board with what pink_vampire linked
[12:26:10] <Polymorphism> oh wow
[12:26:14] <malcom2073> then hook it to the parallel port
[12:26:16] <Polymorphism> could I wire both in parallel
[12:26:21] <Polymorphism> and use either one at a time
[12:26:28] <malcom2073> I wouldn't do that
[12:26:39] <Polymorphism> ok
[12:26:39] <pink_vampire> the c10 support 4 axis.
[12:26:46] <malcom2073> Hooking two devices to the same electrical signal lines can have undefined effects
[12:27:00] <pink_vampire> I have dual LPT and 2 C10 boards.
[12:27:08] <Polymorphism> wired in parallel?
[12:27:13] <Polymorphism> so it might work
[12:27:19] <Polymorphism> then I could choose usb or parallel
[12:27:30] <Polymorphism> although really usb would be nice... bring my laptop to the machine to cut
[12:27:46] <Polymorphism> I like open source and linuxcnc...
[12:27:47] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: NO!
[12:27:48] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: That's not how it works, you can't wire them together to the same axis's
[12:27:49] <Polymorphism> I'm just too new to know
[12:27:53] <pink_vampire> DONT DO THAT
[12:27:57] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, ok
[12:28:15] <pink_vampire> get a dedicated computer for the machine.
[12:28:26] <Polymorphism> does it need to be very fast?
[12:28:30] <Polymorphism> I might be able to use my old desktop
[12:28:31] <pink_vampire> it have to work close to realtime.
[12:28:38] <Polymorphism> core 2 duo fast enough?
[12:28:39] <Polymorphism> or no
[12:28:42] <Polymorphism> 2.4ghz
[12:28:44] <malcom2073> Plus isn't mach3 windows xp?
[12:28:55] <pink_vampire> 2ghz with 1gb ram will be fine.
[12:28:57] <Polymorphism> I do already have windows xp on my laptop as a dual boot with arch linux
[12:29:20] <Polymorphism> you're saying for someone new to cnc linuxcnc is no more difficult than mach 3?
[12:29:23] <pink_vampire> so go with it.
[12:29:33] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: For someone who has used linux previously, yes
[12:29:39] <malcom2073> For someone who has never touched linux? mach3 would be easier
[12:29:41] <Polymorphism> ok yes I only use linux so no problem there
[12:29:48] <pink_vampire> also with mach3 you can use the probe.
[12:29:54] <Polymorphism> the tool probe?
[12:30:09] <Polymorphism> for setting tool length offset?
[12:30:10] <pink_vampire> for fine edge and center
[12:30:21] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: You can do that with linuxcnc too, though I'm not familiar with that setup
[12:30:55] <pink_vampire> with mach3 it's part from the interface.
[12:31:12] <malcom2073> mach3 is significantly more user friendly I'll give it that
[12:31:15] <pink_vampire> but mach3 is full of bugs,
[12:31:28] <Polymorphism> hmm
[12:31:40] <Polymorphism> mach3 probably has more support I would think as well
[12:31:47] <Polymorphism> looks like almost everyone on this cnc forum I found is using it
[12:31:53] <Polymorphism> again, I have nothing against linuxcnc
[12:31:55] <malcom2073> mach3 is supported by a small team, linuxcnc is supported (technically) by thousands of developers :P
[12:32:01] <Polymorphism> I just want to pick whats easiest for someone new who just wants to start cutting
[12:32:03] <pink_vampire> one bug that I have is the machine can move the axis and you have to hit E-stop.
[12:32:20] <Polymorphism> what happens if yhou dont hit e stop?
[12:32:23] <Polymorphism> will the machine be damaged
[12:32:44] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: linuxcnc is free. Try it, if you don't like it, buy mach3
[12:32:57] <pink_vampire> never happened (yet)
[12:32:57] <Polymorphism> I wont be able to if I go with the x6 it sounds like
[12:33:12] <Polymorphism> looks like the x6 has or supports limit switches
[12:33:22] <Polymorphism> I dont even know what those are used for but I would think protection against overtravel
[12:33:52] <Polymorphism> lance chen from omio answered my email within an hour
[12:33:58] <pink_vampire> but servo that run fast.. just keep going.
[12:35:26] <Polymorphism> its looking like the x6
[12:35:53] <pink_vampire> ...
[12:36:30] <Polymorphism> probably not worth getting the 4th axis
[12:36:33] <Polymorphism> I think I can add that later anyway
[12:36:41] <Polymorphism> and I read it might not be the best quality compared to the rest of the machine
[12:36:53] <Polymorphism> and its not a deal
[12:37:01] <Polymorphism> the added price looks to be the same of purchasing the 4th axis separate
[12:37:02] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you know any cad program?
[12:37:13] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, librecad and I've used autocad in the pat
[12:37:29] <pink_vampire> and any cam?
[12:37:45] <Polymorphism> no
[12:37:50] <pink_vampire> ok..
[12:38:12] <pink_vampire> just forgot about 4th axis for about a year..
[12:38:31] -!- morbo_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[12:38:47] <Polymorphism> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Disc_with_dental_implants_made_with_WorkNC.jpg
[12:38:59] <Polymorphism> not really related, I just thought it was cool
[12:39:02] <pink_vampire> you have to be super familiar with 3axis to be able to use 4th axis properly,
[12:39:13] <Polymorphism> ok
[12:39:18] <Polymorphism> I'll stick with just 3 axis for now then
[12:39:23] <Polymorphism> and add the 4th later if I feel the need
[12:39:28] <archivist> pink_vampire, not true
[12:39:32] <Polymorphism> engraving pens would be nice
[12:39:49] <pink_vampire> you can do it with 3 axis as well.
[12:40:00] <Polymorphism> with 2 setups?
[12:40:54] <pink_vampire> if it all around yeah.. but for some thing like "I love you"
[12:41:15] <pink_vampire> you can just use the 3axis
[12:41:18] <Polymorphism> http://www.kinektdesign.com/product-gear-ring.php
[12:41:21] <Polymorphism> could I make this? with the 6040
[12:41:34] <Polymorphism> I see what you mean, ok
[12:42:04] <pink_vampire> you need a lathe for the ring.
[12:42:15] <archivist> 3 axis would be prettur useless for that ring
[12:42:39] <pink_vampire> and 4th axis or some tricks to do it with 3 axis.
[12:42:43] <archivist> lathe and 4th axis on the mill
[12:43:03] <pink_vampire> so you have cad model for that??
[12:43:09] <Polymorphism> I can't cut the ring from a block?
[12:43:16] <Polymorphism> no I was just curious if the machine was capable of producing something similar
[12:43:20] -!- alibama [alibama!~parker@c-50-134-13-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:43:34] <Polymorphism> trying to understand what these machines are capable of
[12:43:36] <Polymorphism> beyond my needs
[12:43:42] <Polymorphism> just to see what else I could do with it
[12:43:52] <Polymorphism> maybe as a side business or for gifts etc
[12:44:06] <pink_vampire> laser cutter
[12:44:32] <archivist> I make gears and regular shapes 4th axis makes that easy
[12:44:43] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-4a/
[12:44:52] <Polymorphism> this 4th axis probably cant handle it though, or can it?
[12:44:56] <Polymorphism> not sure how quality it is
[12:45:27] <Polymorphism> this machine probably can't cut steel anyway
[12:45:33] <Polymorphism> but for alu maybe
[12:46:03] <Polymorphism> the guy from carbide 3d told me the nomad 883 can cut titanium
[12:46:16] <SpeedEvil> any machine can cut anything.
[12:46:19] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much.
[12:46:28] <archivist> it has proper rails that the others dont have
[12:46:32] <Polymorphism> with 100w spindle
[12:46:35] <SpeedEvil> It's a question of at what rate, and can it do it usefully
[12:46:41] <pink_vampire> you can cut steel but it will be sloow
[12:46:51] <pink_vampire> and ugly finish
[12:47:00] <Polymorphism> archivist, the x6 has proper rails compared to the generic 6040s youre saying?
[12:47:07] <Polymorphism> it sounds like this is worth the price
[12:47:09] <SpeedEvil> If your machine is not rigid enough and you have to use tiny bits that shatter because it wobbles often, then though you can sometimes cut, ...
[12:47:18] <archivist> Polymorphism, neowhatever
[12:47:37] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: look
[12:47:51] -!- morbo_ [morbo_!~morbo@dyn-221-136.hrz.uni-kassel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:48:15] <archivist> all are light machines compared to a real mill though
[12:48:16] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: http://imgur.com/a/upWXY
[12:48:44] <Polymorphism> oh wow ok
[12:48:46] <Polymorphism> nice
[12:48:53] <Polymorphism> and I could probably cut 1mm steel plate?
[12:48:56] <Polymorphism> or engrave
[12:49:00] <Polymorphism> and engrave*
[12:49:12] <pink_vampire> this is a part from mild steel. that i did - I took me 40 min to cut it!
[12:49:39] <Polymorphism> the first picture shows the block you started wwith?
[12:49:40] <pink_vampire> with engraver it will be the same of slower.
[12:49:47] <Polymorphism> what size is this part
[12:50:00] <pink_vampire> 20mm by 14.5mm
[12:50:10] <pink_vampire> 6mm thick
[12:50:35] <Polymorphism> http://carbide3d.com/projects/ti-multitool/
[12:50:48] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2jk7wO4.png
[12:50:50] -!- alibama has quit [Quit: alibama]
[12:51:09] <pink_vampire> that one is aluminum and it's took about 20min each side.
[12:51:32] <Polymorphism> you made that one recerntly, rightr?
[12:51:38] <Polymorphism> what is that for
[12:51:55] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[12:52:10] <pink_vampire> holding wire duct on a rail.
[12:53:00] -!- morbo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[12:53:04] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: I never tried to cut titanium,
[12:53:22] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/yrjddyh.png
[12:53:32] <pink_vampire> just 3 axis.
[12:53:51] -!- SpeedEvil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[12:53:59] <Polymorphism> so even 3 axis can do 3d
[12:54:03] <pink_vampire> than flip it http://i.imgur.com/bMZt37d.png
[12:54:09] <pink_vampire> YES!
[12:54:21] <pink_vampire> it's all about your CAM program
[12:54:51] <pink_vampire> good CAM program can do some nice stuff.
[12:55:20] <Polymorphism> hmm
[12:55:23] <archivist> cam is not a lot of use for truly round parts
[12:55:27] <Polymorphism> so I need more than just mach3 + librecad
[12:55:30] <Polymorphism> what is CAM, 3d?
[12:55:32] <Polymorphism> and cad is 2d?
[12:55:49] <Polymorphism> I need one more software
[12:56:09] <pink_vampire> cad = solidworks, autocad etc..
[12:56:35] <pink_vampire> cam = hsmexpress meshcam pycam mastercam solidcam etc..
[12:56:47] <archivist> some parts need no cad or cam, just a brain and programming in gcode
[12:57:16] <pink_vampire> controller = mach3, mach4, linux cnc, arduino grbl, etc.
[12:57:35] <archivist> mach is swearing in here
[12:58:27] <Polymorphism> it looks like decent software
[12:58:31] <Polymorphism> to someone with no experiuence in any of this
[12:58:50] -!- BitEvil [BitEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:59:10] <Polymorphism> whatever has me protoyping the most rapidly and with the least effort is probably whats best
[12:59:12] <pink_vampire> first you make the part in the CAD program> than you move it to the CAM program and make all the tool paths. and make a gcode file> then you run the Gcode file on your cnc CONTROLLER.
[12:59:24] <Polymorphism> I see
[12:59:33] <Polymorphism> so how do I get dxf from librecad to gcode
[12:59:38] <Polymorphism> wiuthout CAM program
[13:00:02] <pink_vampire> learn how to use cam program.
[13:00:08] <pink_vampire> you have to.
[13:00:10] <Polymorphism> so I need a CAM program as well?
[13:00:15] <Polymorphism> this is no problem, I just want to be sure
[13:00:24] <Polymorphism> and plan all costs
[13:00:27] <pink_vampire> without it you can't do much with your cnc.
[13:00:34] <Polymorphism> is there open source CAM?
[13:00:55] <pink_vampire> I'm about to get hsmworks
[13:01:07] <pink_vampire> it's very expensive,
[13:01:24] <pink_vampire> and you can do anything with it.
[13:01:39] <pink_vampire> F360 it's free for hobby use.
[13:02:16] <pink_vampire> hsmexpress is very good 2.5d cam program. - free!
[13:02:37] <pink_vampire> pycam - free but shit.
[13:02:53] <Polymorphism> ok
[13:03:10] <Polymorphism> so HSMexpress, librecad, and only need to purchase mach3 or modify controller for LPT
[13:03:17] <Polymorphism> because linuxcnc doesnt work with usb for some reason?
[13:03:41] <archivist> usb is useless
[13:03:45] <pink_vampire> you will get the mach3 with your machine
[13:03:50] <Polymorphism> mach3 is included?
[13:03:58] <archivist> has delays that screw up mach as well
[13:04:20] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-4a/
[13:05:11] <pink_vampire> X/Y/Z Stepper Motor ： 57BYGH76-3A/150N.cm
[13:05:34] <archivist> Polymorphism, we are not a website reading service
[13:05:50] <pink_vampire> 212 that in oz in.
[13:06:29] <pink_vampire> i know people use 350ozin for the G0704.
[13:06:38] <pink_vampire> so.. it's ok..
[13:06:40] <Polymorphism> archivist, what? I was just linking you the model thats being discussed
[13:06:42] <Polymorphism> in case you missed it
[13:07:08] <Polymorphism> 212 oz/in?
[13:07:16] <pink_vampire> yes.
[13:07:19] * Polymorphism goes to look at generic 6040 specs
[13:07:22] <archivist> Polymorphism, you should read that blurb it has factual mistakes
[13:07:33] <pink_vampire> it's the torque of the motor
[13:07:39] <Polymorphism> I saw that archivist, its poor translation
[13:08:09] <archivist> glass is not plastic and stainless is not non ferous
[13:08:21] <Polymorphism> lol
[13:08:46] <BitEvil> archivist: It can be
[13:08:48] <archivist> with over selling like that I run a mile
[13:09:04] <archivist> BitEvil, bollocks
[13:09:08] <BitEvil> (that is - there are SS grades with no iron I thought
[13:09:09] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332
[13:09:16] <pink_vampire> Stepping motor: two-phase 57/3A
[13:09:22] <pink_vampire> what is that??
[13:09:27] <archivist> BitEvil, how else can it be stainless STEEL
[13:09:41] BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
[13:10:14] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wantai-3PCS-Nema23-Stepper-Motor-57BYGH627-270oz-in-3A-Bipolar-Single-Shaft-/221401774154?hash=item338c92f84a:g:EEsAAOxydINSV6Zw
[13:10:15] <archivist> yes there are two basic stainless types, chrome and nickel
[13:10:18] <pink_vampire> that one maybe?
[13:11:00] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Sorry - I blame not enough coffee/cocaine/rohypnol.
[13:11:20] <Polymorphism> it doesnt look like it says
[13:11:53] <Polymorphism> it looks like I could just upgrade the motors for not much money later if they are inadequate?
[13:12:20] <SpeedEvil> archivist: I could claim I meant that it's reasonable to call 330, for example, non-ferrous. But I diddn't.
[13:12:21] <pink_vampire> to upgrade motor to servo it's about 300$ per axis.
[13:12:26] <SpeedEvil> (as it has under 50% Fe)
[13:12:52] <Polymorphism> I'm confused now
[13:13:01] <Polymorphism> are the motors on the x6 ok? are they worse than the generic 6040?
[13:13:02] <archivist> stainless often work hardens a lot
[13:13:29] <pink_vampire> by 50oz.in
[13:13:37] <pink_vampire> but the rails much much better.
[13:14:04] <pink_vampire> so maybe you have less resistance from the rails.
[13:14:18] <R2E4> anyone know if mesa 78i77 can take optical encoders ph a b c ?
[13:14:21] <Polymorphism> ok
[13:14:49] <Polymorphism> sounds like its still the best option
[13:15:10] <pink_vampire> the rails on the 6040 has some flex.
[13:15:13] <R2E4> The motors have incremental encoders that go into the drives, but oput of the drives are optical signals.
[13:15:29] <R2E4> line drivers
[13:16:00] <Polymorphism> x6 has linear rails, less flex
[13:17:05] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, what can you tell me about 220 vs 120?
[13:17:09] <Polymorphism> the collet looks like a different size?
[13:17:17] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/5-spindle.jpg
[13:17:27] <gregcnc> this might be a record
[13:17:32] <Polymorphism> they look like totally different spindles
[13:17:57] <pink_vampire> are you in the us?
[13:17:59] <Polymorphism> yes
[13:18:01] <pink_vampire> 110?
[13:18:10] <pink_vampire> so ER16
[13:18:18] <pink_vampire> it's fine.
[13:18:26] <Polymorphism> oh ok
[13:18:31] <Polymorphism> I don't know why I was confusing it with 240v
[13:19:08] <pink_vampire> er 20 can use larger diameter end mills
[13:19:56] <pink_vampire> er 16 can go up to 3/8"
[13:20:24] <pink_vampire> and er20 can go up to 1/2"
[13:20:35] <Polymorphism> will this be an issue?
[13:20:40] <pink_vampire> not a problem at all
[13:21:00] <Polymorphism> ok so every mill bit I will need for the machines capabilities is available in 3/8"
[13:21:05] <pink_vampire> I did the boob with 3/4" end mill.
[13:21:13] <Polymorphism> ok xD
[13:21:37] <pink_vampire> other then that I'm using 3/8 most of the time.
[13:22:17] <pink_vampire> for panels you need very small stuff so they come with 1/8"
[13:22:35] <Polymorphism> I need 1/32" even for pcb I read
[13:22:44] <Polymorphism> it depends on the machine thogh I would think
[13:22:49] <Polymorphism> and its resolution capabilities
[13:23:03] <pink_vampire> but the 1/32" use 1/8" shank.
[13:23:24] <Polymorphism> ??
[13:23:28] <Polymorphism> is there an adapter
[13:23:34] <pink_vampire> yes.
[13:23:42] <pink_vampire> you get it with the machine.
[13:23:50] <Polymorphism> oh, nice
[13:23:56] <pink_vampire> and if not is very cheap.
[13:24:38] <pink_vampire> from omiocnc website ◎ Comes standard with: 6mm collet * 1 ，3.175mm collet * 1.
[13:24:48] <pink_vampire> 3.175 it's 1/8"
[13:25:11] <Polymorphism> no problem then
[13:25:28] <Polymorphism> "(Prohibit the installation of any other software except Mach3.)"
[13:25:38] <Polymorphism> not happy about that, but I could modify the controller later for LPT
[13:26:07] <pink_vampire> yes, it's super easy.
[13:26:30] <pink_vampire> you can order the C10, is very easy to wire
[13:26:34] <Polymorphism> I just noticed, it also comes with another extra compared to the 6040 generic
[13:26:36] <Polymorphism> the wireless control
[13:26:53] <pink_vampire> it's nice.
[13:27:18] <Polymorphism> I don't quite understand
[13:27:20] <pink_vampire> I'm using also remote
[13:27:23] <pink_vampire> but better.
[13:27:24] <Polymorphism> it connects to the control box?
[13:27:33] <Polymorphism> and accesses hidden features there are no buttons for
[13:27:40] <Polymorphism> that you would need to control from the software on pc normally
[13:27:42] <Polymorphism> is that right?
[13:27:51] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/RXNRYtX.png
[13:28:03] <gregcnc> plenty of CAM output G2,3 if you need it, just make sure it supports it
[13:28:03] <pink_vampire> short nails XD
[13:28:32] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:28:33] <pink_vampire> yes, you use it for setup,
[13:28:49] <Polymorphism> so I can zero and move the spindle around etc
[13:28:50] <Polymorphism> without touching pc
[13:28:53] <Polymorphism> I understand
[13:29:05] <pink_vampire> yes,
[13:29:35] <Polymorphism> "now we directly sale X6-2200 to global only via omiocnc.com , if any other store(or webstore) sell it, that's must be a fake."
[13:29:36] <pink_vampire> if you don't have one you can use the keyboard.
[13:29:42] <Polymorphism> they are almost implying they are the original 6040 type machine
[13:29:47] <Polymorphism> ok
[13:29:53] <Polymorphism> I like the idea of the controller, nice bonus
[13:29:56] <Polymorphism> remote*
[13:30:14] <Polymorphism> well I guess they are just saying x6, I just wonder which came first
[13:30:17] <Polymorphism> the x6 or the 6040
[13:31:11] <pink_vampire> I know about the 6040 for years..
[13:31:23] <pink_vampire> I think the X6 is newer.
[13:31:34] <gregcnc> R2E4 7i77 supports single ended or differential quadrature encoder with index
[13:32:05] <zeeshan> nothin like
[13:32:08] <zeeshan> early morning machining
[13:32:28] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: do you want to chat with voice?
[13:32:55] <Polymorphism> maybe later today I can find mic, I was about to eat breakfast right now xD
[13:33:02] <Polymorphism> been researching cnc instead of eating
[13:33:38] <zeeshan> R2E4: i have optical encoders going directly to the 7i77
[13:33:39] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[13:33:46] <zeeshan> but it really depends on what the output is on the encoders
[13:33:47] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@2600:100e:b12a:e1fc:c08f:10df:f6f5:ffc4] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:33:48] <zeeshan> they need to be ttl
[13:34:03] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: i did it also years ago..
[13:37:18] <Polymorphism> I'll return in a little bit, ttyl
[13:37:41] <Deejay> have a good meal
[13:37:44] <Polymorphism> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7331826#7331826 impressive 6040 work
[13:37:46] <Polymorphism> Deejay, ty
[13:39:13] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/1MktzSPTzJ4
[13:39:21] <pink_vampire> you meant to this?
[13:39:58] <Polymorphism> yes, and the picture of the final result looking like its been red anodized
[13:40:22] <Polymorphism> making a real part for a repair, this is the type of thing that really sells me on cnc
[13:40:36] <zeeshan> thats pretty good
[13:40:42] <zeeshan> on that pos router :D
[13:41:37] <pink_vampire> with high speed spindle you don't have to apply force,
[13:41:53] <zeeshan> theres always force
[13:42:02] <zeeshan> its dictated by your feed per tooth
[13:42:04] <pink_vampire> it's more like sanding then milling.
[13:42:09] <Polymorphism> how do the supports get removed?
[13:42:12] <Polymorphism> when you mill a 3d part
[13:42:33] <pink_vampire> it's not.
[13:42:36] -!- Valen has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[13:42:46] <Polymorphism> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Disc_with_dental_implants_made_with_WorkNC.jpg
[13:42:47] <Polymorphism> like that pic
[13:42:51] <Polymorphism> is that as far as the machine takes it
[13:42:56] <pink_vampire> get a machine with long travel on the z axis.
[13:42:56] <archivist> file, saw, clever mounting
[13:42:57] <Polymorphism> and then you hand remove and clean up the edge?
[13:43:09] <zeeshan> pliers
[13:43:10] <zeeshan> :P
[13:43:34] <pink_vampire> ok... that support..
[13:44:13] <Polymorphism> and in his video as well
[13:44:15] <pink_vampire> i thought you meant to table
[13:44:27] <Polymorphism> there must come a time where the part is being milled, but has to be removed from the block completely
[13:44:31] <Polymorphism> but still held secure
[13:44:40] <Polymorphism> I have a lot to learn about this
[13:45:00] <pink_vampire> it's very easy/
[13:45:00] <zeeshan> Polymorphism: i leave a 0.010 skin
[13:45:02] <zeeshan> "
[13:45:05] <zeeshan> at the bottom
[13:45:10] <zeeshan> and just use a screw driver to poke a hole
[13:45:13] <zeeshan> if its aluminum
[13:46:02] <pink_vampire> I'm using very strong double sided tape
[13:46:26] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: http://i.imgur.com/701peEs.png
[13:46:30] <pink_vampire> look here.
[13:46:40] <archivist> tape breaks light thin items on removal
[13:46:43] <pink_vampire> zero support.
[13:46:58] <pink_vampire> archivist: not that one..
[13:47:01] <CaptHindsight> does it work if you leave .002" for steel?
[13:47:02] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puI23x4j8qs&t=12m0s
[13:47:10] <Polymorphism> in this video it looks like he has to use a plasma cutter to finish the job?
[13:47:13] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i leave 0.005" for steel
[13:47:16] <zeeshan> havent gone down to 0.002
[13:47:19] <zeeshan> im sure it'd work
[13:48:36] <Polymorphism> gtg for real, bbl
[13:51:19] -!- d42 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[13:51:32] <CaptHindsight> just FYI Machinery's Handbook 28th edition https://doc-0c-bo-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/ha0ro937gcuc7l7deffksulhg5h7mbp1/fbue4imktfjfr23bljgh1ge7jkqdc4e6/1458871200000/03887925090977036069/*/0BwMSCZJ_SEEhaDV4RzEyUFYtM2c?e=download
[13:51:46] <CaptHindsight> while it lasts
[13:51:55] <gregcnc> Have they updated it since the 12th edition?
[13:52:31] <CaptHindsight> is paper to pdf an update?
[13:52:58] -!- chupacabra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[13:57:50] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: i get white page
[14:01:03] -!- d42 [d42!~root@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:01:50] <CaptHindsight> 12th Edition Published by The Industrial Press., New York, 1942
[14:02:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.abebooks.com/Machinerys-Handbook-12th-Edition-Oberg-Erik/1181338328/bd only $30
[14:03:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: link is dead
[14:03:29] <Jymmm> pdf
[14:04:11] <CaptHindsight> maybe it maxed out it's bits
[14:04:28] <gregcnc> how does google clean their drive content like that? I get stuff showing up in searches that's taken down
[14:05:51] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: try https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwMSCZJ_SEEhaDV4RzEyUFYtM2c/view?pref=2&pli=1
[14:05:57] <zeeshan> to be honest
[14:06:03] <zeeshan> i find the machinery's handbook pretty useless
[14:06:17] <gregcnc> my point about 12th edition
[14:06:26] <zeeshan> it
[14:06:30] <zeeshan> it's oversaturated
[14:06:33] <zeeshan> unorganized
[14:06:51] <CaptHindsight> you have to put it in your brain
[14:06:55] <gregcnc> how would you organize it
[14:07:02] <CaptHindsight> and hope it sorts it out
[14:07:08] <zeeshan> gregcnc: more like engineer's black book
[14:07:25] <CaptHindsight> like the Fishermans Bible
[14:08:16] <CaptHindsight> don't waste you time remembering anything that you can look up
[14:08:33] <CaptHindsight> focus on understanding concepts
[14:10:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: TY
[14:10:52] <gregcnc> darwin trying hard http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/24/man-loses-leg-shooting-lawnmower-full-explosives/82232440/
[14:12:24] <CaptHindsight> it's his right to do it to himself
[14:12:46] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i have that exact version
[14:12:47] <zeeshan> that you linked to
[14:12:50] <zeeshan> but the problem is
[14:12:56] <zeeshan> see if you can do this:
[14:13:06] <zeeshan> go to page 6
[14:13:17] <CaptHindsight> easy
[14:13:19] <zeeshan> and under the title machining operations
[14:13:23] <zeeshan> click on 975
[14:13:24] <zeeshan> what happens?
[14:13:36] <gregcnc> I just open the book to 975
[14:14:36] <CaptHindsight> some links works, some don't
[14:15:03] <CaptHindsight> it's a massive pdf, not sure what app they used to create it
[14:16:12] <gregcnc> I have an original digital version and never use it
[14:16:13] <CaptHindsight> 3k page hardcopy is like flipping through the phone book
[14:16:15] -!- alibama [alibama!~parker@d-199-210-217.bootp.Virginia.EDU] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:16:25] <gregcnc> yeah I have a large text version
[14:16:32] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: the hard copy is easier to use
[14:16:34] <zeeshan> in my opinion
[14:16:42] <CaptHindsight> to each his own
[14:17:05] <gregcnc> the digital copy doesn't get dirty
[14:17:26] <CaptHindsight> most of my books went into boxes years ago, I rarely pull them out
[14:17:46] <zeeshan> you should see my shigleys book
[14:17:51] <zeeshan> and atlas of stress-strain
[14:17:58] <zeeshan> it indexed to nuts
[14:18:03] <zeeshan> for all the things i usually use it for
[14:18:50] <zeeshan> i think if work would buy me a tablet
[14:19:03] <zeeshan> id convert to all pdf
[14:19:04] <zeeshan> :D
[14:20:51] <MattyMatt_> I got a $50 tablet for reading pdf, but I'd splash $100 for a retina display if I was spending work cash
[14:21:20] <zeeshan> do they make a tough ipad
[14:21:27] <zeeshan> kinda like the tough books by panasonic
[14:21:27] <MattyMatt_> and my eyesight has started to age, so I'd go 10"
[14:21:31] <CaptHindsight> MattyMatt_: for the higher res? or for color?
[14:21:49] <MattyMatt_> get a cheapo tablet and machine a hard case
[14:21:57] <zeeshan> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/07/duros-8404-rugged-tablet-atom.jpg
[14:21:59] <zeeshan> oo i like this
[14:22:31] <MattyMatt_> for higher res
[14:22:51] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[14:23:01] <MattyMatt_> scrolling around a page sucks
[14:23:06] <CaptHindsight> I liked the display they had for the last OLPC
[14:23:34] <CaptHindsight> active and passive, great indoors and sunlight readable
[14:24:05] <CaptHindsight> a 4k version would be great
[14:25:28] <CaptHindsight> btw http://www.androidauthority.com/amoled-displays-now-cheaper-than-lcd-682080/
[14:25:57] <MattyMatt_> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cube-Talk-9X-3G-Tablet-U65GT-9-7-Inch-Retina-OGS-Screen-Octa-Core-MT8392-2048/32255019856.html
[14:26:07] <CaptHindsight> maybe we'll see some better displays
[14:26:08] <MattyMatt_> nice prices on lcd tho
[14:26:23] <MattyMatt_> and they are plenty good enough for pdf
[14:26:51] <MattyMatt_> e-ink probably better if you can get 300dpi at least
[14:27:00] -!- chupacabra [chupacabra!~chups@cpe-72-179-29-63.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:27:34] <CaptHindsight> e-ink combined with retina
[14:27:54] <MattyMatt_> you rarely need colour in pdf
[14:27:54] <CaptHindsight> best of everything
[14:28:26] <archivist> you cant get ofer multiple page viewing at one time and large drawings on them
[14:28:30] <archivist> over
[14:28:55] <MattyMatt_> no centrefolds :)
[14:29:37] <MattyMatt_> there are large format e-ink displays for shop posters etc.
[14:29:56] <MattyMatt_> not 300+dpi tho
[14:30:48] -!- bobo__ has quit [Quit: Page closed]
[14:31:24] <archivist> buuut for multiple page and separate zoom http://www.collection.archivist.info/diva/systrondonner1626.html#p=127&z=1
[14:31:30] -!- bobo__ [bobo__!63283ad9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.40.58.217] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:31:33] <MattyMatt_> 2560x1536 is the resolution that killed off my last CRTs :(
[14:31:44] <CaptHindsight> e-wallpaper
[14:32:00] <archivist> e-turds
[14:32:01] <CaptHindsight> e-banner
[14:32:47] <CaptHindsight> heh, that describes the past 12 hours of this channel
[14:32:52] <MattyMatt_> those flexible amoleds are almost to market, I saw on the 'news'
[14:33:46] <CaptHindsight> driven by profit
[14:35:18] <CaptHindsight> not complicated to make, but you have to choose a path with the lowest cost patents or keep quiet about how you are making them
[14:36:29] -!- rclsilver [rclsilver!~rclsilver@176-31-182-190.rev.rclsilver.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:36:35] -!- rclsilver [rclsilver!~rclsilver@176-31-182-190.rev.rclsilver.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[14:37:46] -!- bobo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[14:38:00] -!- bobo__ [bobo__!63283ad9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.40.58.217] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:38:04] <MattyMatt_> any want to swap a boxford backplate for a blank one?
[14:38:25] <MattyMatt_> stuffing this one with PCL isn't quite working
[14:39:09] <MattyMatt_> almost tho. just gotta get it clocked in before it cools.
[14:40:28] -!- morbo_ [morbo_!~morbo@dyn-221-136.hrz.uni-kassel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:40:28] -!- alibama has quit [Quit: alibama]
[14:40:53] <MattyMatt_> when I tried to find why my nose is 1.25"x7tpi I found it's a standard whitworth size. whoever designed this lathe sure loved whitworth
[14:41:20] <MattyMatt_> the leadscrew was 3/8x16 LH whitworth :p
[14:42:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160325-andrew-bunnie-huang-tears-down-form-2-3d-printer-reveals-stunning-internal-craftsmanship.html still not sure why you'd want this over a LCD/DLP version for small format
[14:43:41] -!- alibama [alibama!~parker@137.54.9.191] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:44:02] <MattyMatt_> is it steerable laser?
[14:44:19] <CaptHindsight> uses a galvo for steering
[14:44:48] <MattyMatt_> that's the same appeal as CRT. analog steering gives arbitrary res
[14:45:16] <CaptHindsight> well, lets see, you can't vary the beam width
[14:46:15] <MattyMatt_> you can vary scanning speed tho, and even if focus isn't perfect it'll likely be strongest in the middle
[14:46:41] <MattyMatt_> so you can squeeze out a bit better than beam width
[14:46:44] <CaptHindsight> and there's just so many bits of res they limit the controls to
[14:47:05] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: do you own a 3d printer
[14:47:06] <zeeshan> for personal use
[14:47:07] <MattyMatt_> true that, but even 12 bit is better than pixels
[14:47:10] <CaptHindsight> but they don't and it slow slow slow
[14:48:14] <pcw_home> a laser printer can do 13/14 bit resolution on 8.5x11 and is cheap
[14:48:32] <MattyMatt_> that's 2d
[14:48:36] -!- bobo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[14:48:52] <pcw_home> right
[14:49:06] <MattyMatt_> SLA 3d printers use a projector, so it's basically screen res
[14:49:13] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I've been doing additive manufacturing R&D for the past several years, materials and deposition tech, so I use the ones at work
[14:49:21] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i know you do
[14:49:26] <MattyMatt_> or they use a steerable laser, for low speed and high res
[14:49:27] <zeeshan> you sent me a nice photopolymer :)
[14:49:34] <zeeshan> theres a guy whos using it now
[14:49:36] <zeeshan> the left over
[14:49:41] -!- Encapsulation [Encapsulation!~theorist@unaffiliated/encapsulation] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:49:50] <zeeshan> to put dots all over a metal specimen
[14:50:15] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: similar app?
[14:50:20] <zeeshan> no
[14:50:21] -!- bobo__ [bobo__!63283ad9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.40.58.217] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:50:24] <zeeshan> he's putting it directly on metal
[14:50:25] <Encapsulation> back
[14:50:26] <zeeshan> mine was on polymer
[14:50:44] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: it is sticking well enough?
[14:50:51] <zeeshan> i dont know yet
[14:50:54] <zeeshan> havent talked to him :D
[14:50:55] <CaptHindsight> I can send something for metal
[14:51:09] <zeeshan> see it doesnt really need to adhere well
[14:51:09] <pcw_home> just saying if you want high res (but low energy) a laser printer type raster scan has a lot of advantages
[14:51:14] <zeeshan> its just moderate
[14:51:19] <zeeshan> because a punch comes from the other side and deforms the metal
[14:51:30] <zeeshan> the photopolymer is just stuck on the other side
[14:51:59] <CaptHindsight> let me know, I can send something to add to it to make it stick to metal more better
[14:52:01] <MattyMatt_> pcw_home yeah but a 2d galvo does the job OK with less hardware
[14:52:12] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: how come form labs's printer is such a small build volume
[14:52:17] <zeeshan> why dont these guys make big stuff?
[14:52:23] <zeeshan> its not like it'll increase cost by much
[14:52:45] <pcw_home> a 2 d galvo is inaccurate and slow
[14:52:49] <CaptHindsight> people seem enamored with it for some reason
[14:53:28] <CaptHindsight> their marketing/branding must appeal to them
[14:53:47] <MattyMatt_> pixels + jitter seems like the most effective way to me. interlace
[14:53:53] <zeeshan> resin pretty expensive
[14:53:56] <CaptHindsight> most people that contact us about resin for it are not very technical
[14:53:59] <zeeshan> https://ember.autodesk.com/shop
[14:54:01] <zeeshan> look at this
[14:54:05] <zeeshan> 120$ for 1L!
[14:54:28] <CaptHindsight> we sell it by the pail and drum for <$40/L
[14:54:41] <zeeshan> okay so its just overpriced by them
[14:54:58] <CaptHindsight> yeah we get calls all day long
[14:55:22] <zeeshan> do you think fdm is cheaper in terms of consumables
[14:55:37] <CaptHindsight> in low volume
[14:55:52] <CaptHindsight> PLA is ~$20/Kg for filament
[14:56:06] <CaptHindsight> let me check the latest price
[14:56:21] <zeeshan> i 'd like to buy a 3d printer by mid summer
[14:56:23] <MattyMatt_> or large format using nurdles, like endless chair
[14:56:24] <CaptHindsight> well in pellet form PLA is <$2/lb
[14:56:31] -!- SEL [SEL!~SEL@net77-43-27-64.mclink.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:56:33] <zeeshan> i was mostly looking at fdm because they seem to come in larger form factors
[14:56:34] -!- mase-tech [mase-tech!~mase-tech@2a02:908:1862:9260:cc6f:db95:5da8:751a] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:56:42] <zeeshan> and its easier to modify
[14:56:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/pricecompare/
[14:56:51] <zeeshan> but sla is clearly boss in quality and precision
[14:57:10] <MattyMatt_> <gthx> endless chair is Dirk van der Kooij's giant printer http://postero.us/chair.mp4 and is also http://vimeo.com/33026239
[14:58:08] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i got a q.
[14:58:13] <zeeshan> with dlp/sla
[14:58:16] <MattyMatt_> print head for that could be made from a normal screw IM machine
[14:58:24] <zeeshan> nm
[14:58:26] <zeeshan> :P
[14:59:05] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: for SLA applications where all you want is a polymerized resin when it's done printing some resins are the price of PLA
[15:00:29] <MattyMatt_> SLS of plastic powder seems useful, but the cost of the breathing gear would be significant
[15:00:34] <zeeshan> finally found a printer that seems to have a large build volume
[15:00:38] <zeeshan> 11.02"x8.26"x7.87"
[15:01:00] <zeeshan> nm
[15:01:02] <zeeshan> discontinued
[15:01:11] <MattyMatt_> there are repraps with 1m cubes
[15:01:30] <MattyMatt_> FDM in large format is asking for warp tho
[15:02:48] <MattyMatt_> the best additive I've seen is that machining centre with the powder spray head
[15:02:57] <CaptHindsight> SLA hybrids, people use our water soluble photopolymers to print molds then fill with thermoplastics and thermosets. Then rinse away the mold wit water.
[15:03:03] <MattyMatt_> sprays powder into a laser melt pool
[15:03:53] <MattyMatt_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[15:05:36] <MattyMatt_> why print with dead dinosaurs when you can print with dead stars? :)
[15:06:08] <CaptHindsight> makes expensive Yoda heads
[15:06:26] -!- SEL has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[15:06:31] -!- alibama has quit [Quit: alibama]
[15:07:15] <CaptHindsight> Eiffel Tower, Rabbit, Yoda's head are the top 3 printed parts
[15:07:33] <MattyMatt_> and the naked lady
[15:07:51] <CaptHindsight> NSFW
[15:08:24] <MattyMatt_> that was more popular when the overhang on rabbit and yoda ears was tricky
[15:08:48] <MattyMatt_> eiffel tower is #1 SLA print tho
[15:08:57] -!- shaun413 [shaun413!uid121475@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lfpuobnzhgduobsk] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:08:57] <CaptHindsight> I'm still waiting for 3d pancakes
[15:09:09] <CaptHindsight> and waffles
[15:12:00] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: DIY a SLA using a LCD panel
[15:12:15] <CaptHindsight> like that OLO with a real panel
[15:15:36] <CaptHindsight> 160um pitch 4k panel $320 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA90V3V03945&cm_re=4k_monitors-_-9SIA90V3V03945-_-Product
[15:17:59] -!- minibnz has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
[15:19:01] <CaptHindsight> I'm making some stichable HD LCD light engines. You can make an array 10 x 20 if you want of 1920x1080ea for top down
[15:30:29] -!- DaPeace has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[15:32:14] -!- DaPeace [DaPeace!~Adium@185.7.17.15] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:33:28] -!- skunkworks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[15:36:31] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: how do you put the layer of photopolymer on though?
[15:37:05] <CaptHindsight> depends on top down vs bottom up
[15:37:32] <zeeshan> so you have a tank full of resin
[15:37:39] <zeeshan> i dont know how it works
[15:37:39] <CaptHindsight> top down projects onto the surface of the resin and the build stage gets lower as it builds
[15:37:42] <zeeshan> ill have to look at it
[15:37:49] <zeeshan> need to go work on car
[15:37:51] <zeeshan> but ill look tonight
[15:37:54] -!- DaPeace has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[15:38:02] <zeeshan> theres gotta be a reason why they limit print sizes to be small
[15:38:37] <CaptHindsight> bottom up has a transparent vat where the light gets projected up through the vat onto the topside of the vat where the build stage is
[15:39:09] <CaptHindsight> it's a limit of res of the projector/screen vs pixel size
[15:39:36] <CaptHindsight> 1920 x 1080 display at 100um per pixel is 192 x 108mm
[15:40:00] -!- DaPeace [DaPeace!~Adium@185.7.17.15] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:40:16] <CaptHindsight> 200um per pixel would be 384 x 216mm
[15:41:32] <CaptHindsight> 50um per pixel 96mm x 54mm
[15:42:39] <CaptHindsight> stitch projectors and you can have larger print areas with the low res
[15:44:18] <CaptHindsight> another variation is spreading a thin layer of photopolymer onto a transparent nonstick film and holding it just below the build stage
[15:44:46] <CaptHindsight> so there is no vat
[15:44:49] -!- asdfasd1 [asdfasd1!~332332@94.11.109.181] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:45:54] -!- asdfasd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[15:48:07] -!- DaPeace has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[15:50:08] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: top down https://youtu.be/DGITuLyEyg8?t=14s
[15:50:12] -!- DaPeace [DaPeace!~Adium@185.7.17.15] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:51:16] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: bottom up https://youtu.be/hQ21gbeYFYQ?t=13s
[16:04:00] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[16:07:56] <MattyMatt_> waah I can't find that yamakasi 4k with shipping to UK
[16:08:57] <MattyMatt_> I want it for blender
[16:09:31] <MattyMatt_> I've got 4k envy since I saw my friend's new mac
[16:09:55] -!- MrSunshine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[16:10:22] <CaptHindsight> nice to see displays on the move again after stalling at 1920 x 1080 for so long
[16:11:01] <MattyMatt_> I guess I'd need 2 hdmi cables, and both ports
[16:11:36] <CaptHindsight> Wallymart has a had a 40" 4K sanyo for $450
[16:13:54] -!- Crom has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[16:14:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sceptre-U505CV-U-49-4K-Ultra-HD-2160p-60Hz-LED-HDTV-4K-x-2K/46784936
[16:14:50] <CaptHindsight> but I bet it doesn't look that great
[16:16:21] -!- teepee has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[16:16:21] teepee_ is now known as teepee
[16:18:51] <MattyMatt_> the 10 bit on the yamakasi is desirable, even if it's dark grey to light grey
[16:19:09] <MattyMatt_> I haven't seen an LCD that doesn't look acceptable for years
[16:19:29] <MattyMatt_> if it's TFT, it's good enough for me
[16:20:00] <MattyMatt_> viewing angles can be nasty sometimes I guess
[16:20:12] <MattyMatt_> that'd be a reaon to wait for oled
[16:21:03] <MattyMatt_> if it's sold as a TV tho, the horizontal viweing angle at least is generally good
[16:23:11] -!- vapula has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[16:24:32] <MattyMatt_> god bless blueray. they'd be sticking with 'HD' for decades otherwise
[16:24:42] <CaptHindsight> http://science.sciencemag.org/content/349/6243/78 direct zeolite-based catalytic process, which converts lactic acid into lactide.
[16:26:32] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, what do you think of these machines? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6090-CNC-Router-Engraver-Machine-23-6-x35-5-x4-WorkSize-Free-Ship-by-Sea-/131578979681?hash=item1ea2b7e561:m:m6JuJNy2gTliIpNW-2PxsqQ and ----- http://www.ebay.com/itm/24x36-CNC-router-machine-on-sale-free-ship-JCUT-6090B-/121830706414?hash=item1c5dad0cee:g:WBoAAOSwZd1VXVv2
[16:28:31] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: happen to know what the fastest laser printer (1st page) might be for <$200?
[16:30:01] <CaptHindsight> I have some to modify, but haven't had time
[16:30:19] <CaptHindsight> change out the IR laser for <500nm
[16:31:47] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@host50.190-30-168.telecom.net.ar] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:33:41] <CaptHindsight> spinning a mirror in sync with a tilting mirror is not a challenge but the printer already has it all with a frame buffer
[16:34:35] <SpeedEvil> I thought all new printers were LED
[16:34:59] <pcw_home> looks like the fastest <$200 printers are about 27 PPM (about 2 seconds per image)
[16:35:20] <pcw_home> Most are laser
[16:35:23] <archivist> OCI did led printers with a grin lens
[16:35:26] -!- emcPT has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client]
[16:35:31] <CaptHindsight> do they spec the time for the first page, that is the actual write time for the drum
[16:39:43] <CaptHindsight> I see some with <15 seconds for the first page
[16:39:55] <CaptHindsight> but they don't say at what res
[16:40:28] <CaptHindsight> 600 x 2400 dpi over ~8" x 10.5"?
[16:40:32] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~chatzilla@str-broadband-ccmts-ws-26.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:42:04] <CaptHindsight> target 10mJ per pixel for the laser at the surface of the resin
[16:43:40] <CaptHindsight> lets say we just focus on 600 x 600 dpi
[16:44:51] <CaptHindsight> ~42um per pixel
[16:45:49] <CaptHindsight> 30,240,000 pixels per layer and I'll round to 30M
[16:47:31] <SpeedEvil> I suspect reusing a printer internals is going to be majorly annoying and not worth it once you get into the details
[16:47:44] <SpeedEvil> at least - not reusing the processor parts
[16:49:24] <CaptHindsight> not much work for a proto
[16:49:45] <SpeedEvil> why not galvos?
[16:49:57] <CaptHindsight> the processor is actually handy since there's a working driver
[16:50:05] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:50:24] <CaptHindsight> there is a spinning mirror for one axis
[16:50:26] <SpeedEvil> But it's got all of the things that expect the right signals at precisely the right time or it's going to bitch about paper jams
[16:50:38] <CaptHindsight> and the drum is the other which you swap for a mirror
[16:51:14] <CaptHindsight> so each print is a layer
[16:52:29] <SpeedEvil> I'm not arguing really about the mechanics/optics part
[16:52:50] <CaptHindsight> the laser printers I have sense the paper edge going into the drum and going out, not to hard to emulate
[16:53:25] <SpeedEvil> maybe I'm overestimating because of taking apart a very old HP with eleven billion sensors
[16:53:37] <CaptHindsight> the main reason that you wouldn't use the printer cpu is the RIP
[16:54:43] <CaptHindsight> if you really want 1:1 what you see is what you print then you don't want a RIP making changes to the images
[16:57:44] <Encapsulation> https://www.stepcraft-systems.com/en/ what do you think of these machines pink_vampire Loetmichel
[16:59:40] <__rob> still having tram problems with my mill on a raised floor
[16:59:42] <__rob> seems to change a bit
[16:59:54] <__rob> was thinking of laying a 1 meter square concrete slab up there
[16:59:55] <CaptHindsight> sorry not 10mJ per pixel, 10mJ per cm^2
[16:59:59] <__rob> then putting the mill on that
[17:00:17] <__rob> so at least it is sitting on a rigid plane
[17:00:33] <__rob> would have thought concrete should be totally non-bendable
[17:00:36] <os1r1s> Is there an easy way to disable the fault input until the servo is enabled without using ladder logic?
[17:00:40] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: is it 100% opaque?
[17:00:48] <SpeedEvil> __rob: It's not
[17:00:48] <__rob> any thoughts on that ?
[17:00:59] <__rob> right, so what other options are there
[17:01:05] <__rob> granite plate ?
[17:01:09] <__rob> or something
[17:01:11] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: the resin?
[17:01:25] <SpeedEvil> __rob: Concrete is about 1/10th the rigidity of steel
[17:01:34] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yes
[17:01:36] <__rob> basically want something that gives a solid plane, that may move, but as a whole
[17:01:50] <__rob> rather then each foot "floating"
[17:01:54] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: to the laser yes, to the eye maybe no
[17:02:23] -!- The__Ball [The__Ball!~ballen@130-250-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:02:43] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: there is a function of slope, energy vs penetration depth
[17:02:47] <__rob> SpeedEvil, well 1/10th for a 2" thick plate of contrete should still be pretty good
[17:02:48] <SpeedEvil> __rob: there are two options - you can either have it so that the floor can't put any forces into the tool, or the tool is actually held rigid
[17:03:04] <__rob> problem is the floor is raised
[17:03:06] <__rob> up in the iar
[17:03:16] <SpeedEvil> __rob: 8" thick wood may actually be better.
[17:03:18] <__rob> its strong enough, but flexible
[17:03:26] <SpeedEvil> More rigid - though may warp.
[17:04:13] <__rob> yea, thats the problem, I dont want warp
[17:04:13] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@unaffiliated/nofxx] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:04:20] <SpeedEvil> If you have a tool supported on four feet, then it's almost guaranteed to get forces imparted to it.
[17:04:20] <__rob> wood will give over time
[17:04:35] <SpeedEvil> If you instead bridge two of those feet to one, then it's not.
[17:04:50] <__rob> the back 2 feet are on a steel i beam
[17:05:00] <__rob> the front 2, I have a 10mm thick plate between them
[17:05:01] <__rob> thats it
[17:05:01] <SpeedEvil> how are you supporting the i-beam?
[17:05:15] <__rob> its a mezzanine floor
[17:05:26] <__rob> so box section legs
[17:05:28] <SpeedEvil> 10mm thick plate is essentially doing nothing probably
[17:05:35] <__rob> yea, thought as much
[17:05:57] <SpeedEvil> It's a little better than inch thick wood
[17:06:39] <MattyMatt_> epoxy concrete is 6x more rigid than cast iron, and thus 3x more than steel
[17:06:49] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt_: no, it's not
[17:06:55] <SpeedEvil> If you mean youngs modulus.
[17:07:12] <SpeedEvil> And I don't know what else you might mean.
[17:07:16] <MattyMatt_> I do, but I'm just repeating what I read
[17:07:40] <MattyMatt_> on that cnczone forum thread
[17:07:49] <archivist> shape matter more than material
[17:08:23] <SpeedEvil> Steel is ~300GPa, cast iron is ~150, concrete is ~30, and epoxy granite is going to be lower still
[17:08:28] <SpeedEvil> quite
[17:08:55] <SpeedEvil> For pure rigidity - not considering movement - it's quite easy to beat steel with wood.
[17:09:06] <SpeedEvil> movement over time that is - not instantaneous
[17:09:46] <MattyMatt_> it's cheaper, if you don't mind the bulk of wood
[17:09:47] <CaptHindsight> __rob: stick with it
[17:10:19] -!- Crom [Crom!~robi@pool-173-51-93-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:10:23] <SpeedEvil> Cast iron is only particularly awesome because you can have your machine be in a fire, and it'll be exactly the same shape as wasn't all charred effect.
[17:10:27] <CaptHindsight> you're running out of things to fix
[17:10:40] <CaptHindsight> so you're almost done
[17:10:53] <SpeedEvil> ^when it
[17:11:12] <__rob> http://i.snag.gy/wiMsU.jpg
[17:11:15] <__rob> this is the situation
[17:12:08] <__rob> lol
[17:12:14] <__rob> indeed CaptHindsight
[17:12:19] <Encapsulation> anyone?
[17:12:30] <Encapsulation> how do those stepcraft machines look
[17:12:31] <SpeedEvil> how much are the 'feet' holding the front of the machine up
[17:12:33] <Encapsulation> compared to the 6040
[17:13:03] <__rob> SpeedEvil, each foot is about 2 inches from the base of the stand
[17:13:07] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: please stick to one nick, and relax and wait for an answer
[17:13:35] <MattyMatt_> one big annoyance of a wood machine is you can't use coolant
[17:13:36] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwkoGtsaG9c#t=34.172675
[17:13:47] <__rob> http://i.snag.gy/DGJ7N.jpg
[17:13:51] <__rob> thats the feet
[17:14:03] <CaptHindsight> MattyMatt_: how about marine plywood? :p
[17:14:06] <__rob> problem is the C sections will bend
[17:14:13] <SpeedEvil> __rob: I would try removing the front feet, putting a 2*12" beam of wood under the machine, with 1/4" or so spacers, and then a 1/2" 'foot' in the middle of the beam on the floor
[17:14:15] <__rob> so you have the front 2 feet floating
[17:14:38] <SpeedEvil> __rob: So that the front two stub 'feet' rest on the beam, and the beam is resting on the floor at a point in the middle of them.
[17:14:53] <SpeedEvil> __rob: you don't care much about the shape of the beam, because the weight has to be equal
[17:14:55] <SpeedEvil> err
[17:15:00] <SpeedEvil> actually - that may be an issue
[17:15:02] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[17:15:19] <SpeedEvil> it will remove any twisting moment induced by the floor though
[17:15:45] <CaptHindsight> 10W 405nm laser should do it
[17:15:46] <__rob> right
[17:15:51] <__rob> so a plane with 3 points basically
[17:16:19] -!- Polymorphism has quit [Disconnected by services]
[17:16:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it means that now your machine is entirely dependant on its own rigidity, rather than relying on the floro
[17:16:24] <SpeedEvil> floor
[17:16:26] <__rob> seen a few guys on youtube checking major issues they had with a 3 point setup under the mill itself, rather then the base
[17:16:26] Encapsulation is now known as Polymorphism
[17:16:32] <Polymorphism> ok
[17:16:37] <__rob> I like that
[17:16:42] -!- Inheritance [Inheritance!~Astoundin@c-75-67-53-155.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:16:49] <__rob> although it is thick sheet steel for the base anyway
[17:16:59] <__rob> so I don't actually know how rigid that is
[17:17:19] <__rob> prob not at all
[17:17:36] <__rob> how about the 3 point setup, but under the actual mill
[17:17:41] <CaptHindsight> __rob: can you easily lift and move the machine?
[17:17:47] <__rob> between the base box and the mill base
[17:17:52] <CaptHindsight> whats the appx area of the base?
[17:17:52] <__rob> CaptHindsigh, yea
[17:17:57] <__rob> got a pallet truck next too it
[17:18:02] <__rob> 1m sq
[17:18:05] <__rob> bit under
[17:18:24] <__rob> http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/Gallery/products/pcnc1100/PCNC1100_Options_Arm_Stands/pcnc1100_deluxe_stand/CNC_deluxe_stand.jpg
[17:18:27] <__rob> thats the stand
[17:19:24] <CaptHindsight> too bad you only have a trampoline for a work area
[17:19:28] <__rob> yea
[17:19:30] <__rob> really is
[17:19:34] <__rob> nothing i can do about it though
[17:19:42] <__rob> its that space or nothing
[17:20:24] <__rob> was hoping it would bed down
[17:20:26] <CaptHindsight> concrete slab, made in place
[17:20:29] <__rob> and then I could set it level
[17:20:58] <__rob> yup, ok, might have to check the weight
[17:21:10] <__rob> how thick minimum would you go ?
[17:21:12] <CaptHindsight> can you get under the floor to that beam?
[17:21:22] <__rob> yea
[17:21:25] <SpeedEvil> Concrete slab at 2" is not particularly rigid compared to most likely flooring
[17:21:25] <__rob> only from the bottom though
[17:21:37] <SpeedEvil> So it will sag and move as the flooring moves
[17:22:04] <__rob> be ideal if there was another ibeam running for the front feet
[17:22:12] <__rob> may well still be bendy though, but likely alot less
[17:22:20] <CaptHindsight> trying to see if he can transfer the load to that beam
[17:22:21] <SpeedEvil> the building may also move
[17:22:38] <__rob> the floor is free standing
[17:22:38] <CaptHindsight> but yeah the flex of the beam we can't do much about
[17:22:42] <SpeedEvil> Buildings may not be so overdesigned that they are completely inflexible.
[17:22:44] <__rob> so not attached to the building
[17:22:46] <SpeedEvil> ^usually
[17:23:01] <CaptHindsight> unless he can add a support below the machine to the floor below
[17:23:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[17:23:10] <__rob> cant really do that
[17:23:52] <__rob> does seem like a permenant 3 leg setup might help
[17:24:12] <__rob> problem with tramming the 4 feet is it changes
[17:24:40] <CaptHindsight> so steel I-beam and all wood floor and stringers with ply over all?
[17:24:43] <__rob> at least proping up the front of the actual mill base would always be planar
[17:24:43] <Sync> one of the precision lathes here has had its own foundation cast
[17:24:53] <__rob> CaptHindSight, yea
[17:25:07] <__rob> the C section is Ally
[17:25:09] <CaptHindsight> __how far between I-beams?
[17:25:12] <__rob> 40 centres
[17:25:27] <__rob> not the ibeams
[17:25:31] <__rob> the ally C sections
[17:25:35] <CaptHindsight> __rob: ^^
[17:25:41] <__rob> the Ibeams are just around the outside
[17:25:54] <__rob> with Ally sections holding hte floor up
[17:26:15] <__rob> the span is maybe 3 meters between 2 ibeams
[17:26:55] -!- morbo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[17:27:02] <__rob> infact, its 3.26
[17:27:04] <__rob> meters
[17:27:55] <CaptHindsight> honestly, it's reinforce the floor or move the machine
[17:28:25] <CaptHindsight> it's about the worst location vs mounting on foam or soil
[17:28:32] <__rob> yup, well might be able to in the future, now its just bout mitigating problems
[17:28:42] <__rob> I know it wont ever be perfect up there
[17:29:00] <CaptHindsight> a 4" slab will still teeter
[17:29:39] <__rob> yea, but maybe less that some bendy section with ply floor >?
[17:29:44] <CaptHindsight> it will be like a partial slab on a drum skin
[17:30:08] <MattyMatt_> barrel vault
[17:30:22] <CaptHindsight> center the mass as best you can on the i-beam
[17:30:49] <__rob> its got the back 2 feet on it
[17:30:52] <__rob> then the wall is behind that
[17:30:58] <CaptHindsight> move it as close to the wall as possible
[17:30:59] <__rob> cant really get any further back
[17:31:18] <__rob> even cut a hole in the wall for the rear motor to poke into
[17:31:18] <__rob> lol
[17:31:24] <__rob> so I could get it further back
[17:31:27] <CaptHindsight> heh
[17:31:32] <CaptHindsight> well you're trying
[17:31:34] <MattyMatt_> how rigid is the wall?
[17:31:38] <__rob> very
[17:31:59] <CaptHindsight> can you run some 45's under the floor to the wall?
[17:32:11] <MattyMatt_> could you make triangles with the floor or front of the machine and the wall?
[17:32:33] <CaptHindsight> from front of the machine under the floor to the wall?
[17:32:41] <MattyMatt_> steel cables at 45 either side of the machine?
[17:32:57] -!- morbo_ [morbo_!~morbo@dyn-21-138.mdm.its.uni-kassel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:33:12] <__rob> yea, mabye
[17:33:32] <CaptHindsight> slab from wall to front of machine
[17:33:52] <CaptHindsight> 45's from front of slab back to the wall
[17:34:34] <__rob> right, I'll look into that
[17:34:43] <__rob> 4" slab or something ?
[17:34:54] <MattyMatt_> or if the machine frame is stiff enough, just a few short ties with turnbuckles to releive some of the weight
[17:34:59] -!- nofxx has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[17:35:00] <Polymorphism> cnc is amazing!!!
[17:35:25] <Polymorphism> 2 sided pcb with reference pins
[17:35:28] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@177.106.67.86] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:35:28] -!- nofxx has quit [Changing host]
[17:35:28] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@unaffiliated/nofxx] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:35:28] <Polymorphism> this is going to change my life
[17:35:58] <__rob> cost so little to get them made for 2 layer I've not tried to mill it
[17:36:17] <gregcnc> keep the secrets in house
[17:36:19] <CaptHindsight> scrap 4" plumbing pipe should be cheap
[17:37:58] <CaptHindsight> can you weld a frame under the floor? do you have access to a welder and can you get scaffolding etc?
[17:38:50] <SpeedEvil> Altering the floor structure may require various permits.
[17:39:03] <MattyMatt_> best Internet Truth(tm) I found for epoxy concrete stiffness is "can be as stiff as cast iron, depending on shape"
[17:39:14] <__rob> well I cant really modify the floor
[17:39:16] <__rob> its not mine
[17:39:23] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt_: that's basically meaningless.
[17:39:27] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt_: so can styrofoam.
[17:39:37] <__rob> I do like the idea of a supported contrete slab
[17:40:14] <__rob> over 1/2 a ton for a meter squared 1 foot thick one tho
[17:40:30] <__rob> weld up some solid L's
[17:40:33] <__rob> bolt them to the wall
[17:40:42] <__rob> and sink them into the concrete with cross braces
[17:40:47] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt_: for a simple beam, if you multiply the depth by five times, you can go from steel to shitty plywood and have the same rigidity
[17:41:03] <MattyMatt_> SpeedEvil, not entirely, stiffness for a certain cross section has meaning, but for concrete you need thicker sections just to get enough stones in
[17:41:17] <CaptHindsight> __rob: you know what the building will allow, so you get the idea
[17:41:54] <SpeedEvil> MattyMatt_: aggregate design is a whole nother thing - it's way more than 'getting enough stones in'
[17:42:03] <MattyMatt_> but for a 4 inch thick floor, that's enough to get the full benefit of pebbles
[17:42:53] <CaptHindsight> For the benefit of Mr. Kite There will be a show tonight on trampoline.
[17:46:35] <MattyMatt_> yay. got the runout on this backplate down to 2 thous. heatgun and rubber hammer ftw
[17:46:55] <MattyMatt_> now if I'd used PEEK instead of PCL, it'd be a real solution
[17:46:59] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:48:10] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPwU06Byc8s if you want to feel better about your machining slills
[17:48:31] <SpeedEvil> (matthias wandal - he's great at wood - metal - perhaps less so.
[17:49:43] <MattyMatt_> he's no glasslinger either
[17:50:27] <CaptHindsight> __rob: I'd pour in place vs try to move a slab around
[17:51:22] <__rob> great, thanks for the advice
[17:51:30] <__rob> I'll let you know how I get on
[17:51:54] <CaptHindsight> and worse case 45's from the front of the slab UP to the wall vs under
[17:52:00] <CaptHindsight> if you can't get below
[17:54:45] <CaptHindsight> a gallon of acrylic for the concrete is ~$30
[17:55:50] <CaptHindsight> and I'd use a bit of rebar http://www.rebar.net/rebar.jpg
[17:56:40] <__rob> yea, was thinking the same >?
[17:56:45] <__rob> yea, was thinking the same
[17:56:50] <__rob> how thick would you go ?
[17:56:52] <__rob> minimum
[17:56:57] -!- The__Ball has quit [Read error: No route to host]
[17:56:59] <CaptHindsight> 3"
[17:58:22] <CaptHindsight> have the metal anchors for the 45's right in the concrete
[17:58:41] -!- nofxx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[17:59:36] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@177.106.58.82] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:59:36] -!- nofxx has quit [Changing host]
[17:59:36] -!- nofxx [nofxx!~nofxx@unaffiliated/nofxx] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:01:02] <CaptHindsight> look there for similar https://www.quikrete.com/productlines/concreteacrylicfortifier.asp
[18:06:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringcivil.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cantilever-beam-point-load1.jpg
[18:09:46] <__rob> great
[18:09:51] <__rob> although I'll be bolting to the wall
[18:10:00] <__rob> rather then sunk in
[18:10:04] <CaptHindsight> similar advice
[18:10:45] <CaptHindsight> some people expect too much from simple fasteners
[18:11:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kingscountynews.ca/media/photos/unis/2015/06/13/photo_2889646/article_large.jpg
[18:12:05] <CaptHindsight> https://s3.amazonaws.com/wp-ag/wp-content/uploads/sites/71/2015/06/PORCHES-CST-060415-2.jpg
[18:14:01] <MattyMatt_> students and balconies, always a bad mix
[18:14:24] <__rob> lot of people on that balcony
[18:15:37] <MattyMatt_> lot of people making no effort to evacuate
[18:16:59] <MattyMatt_> I bet some of them have evacuated tho :)
[18:17:10] <MattyMatt_> brown trousers
[18:17:10] <CaptHindsight> __rob: I'd probably build a cantilever that doesn't rely on anything other than the wall and the i-beam against the wall
[18:17:44] -!- The__Ball [The__Ball!~ballen@130-250-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:18:58] -!- The__Ball has quit [Client Quit]
[18:19:17] -!- The__Ball [The__Ball!~ballen@130-250-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:19:45] <__rob> CaptHindSight, so a shelf bracket right ?
[18:19:54] <__rob> L with a 45
[18:20:27] <__rob> |/
[18:20:35] <MattyMatt_> I've got a spare 2ft one here made from pallet wood. made in haste for a ungrateful friend's collapsing sink
[18:21:15] <MattyMatt_> really nice joints
[18:21:36] <MattyMatt_> pinned with dowels
[18:22:00] <__rob> CaptHindSight, just looking into the cost of some steel for the job
[18:22:00] <MattyMatt_> swine said it looked too strong, so fuckim
[18:22:26] <__rob> I'll made the L slide it down and support it off the floor, then weld the 45 in place
[18:22:30] <__rob> make a hole in the floor for it
[18:22:43] <__rob> and bolt the whole thing to the wall
[18:23:04] <__rob> and lay the slab with the top of the bracket inside the slab, and use the floor for the base
[18:23:22] <CaptHindsight> __rob: scrap 3-4" sched 40 or 80 pipe is easy to find here
[18:23:56] <__rob> theres a load of scaffold tube available
[18:23:59] <__rob> steel stuff
[18:25:57] <CaptHindsight> I'd worry about the wooden floor adding to the motion
[18:27:05] <CaptHindsight> I'd transfer the load at the wall edge of the slab right to the i-beam
[18:27:21] <__rob> well it will be self supported, once the concrete has gone off
[18:27:24] <__rob> no ?
[18:27:35] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[18:28:05] <CaptHindsight> don't have the current floor support it
[18:28:25] <__rob> was thinking just for laying the concrete
[18:28:31] <__rob> could have some wood under and knock it out after
[18:28:37] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[18:28:40] <CaptHindsight> 1.4"
[18:28:43] <__rob> wood and polythene sheet or something
[18:28:56] <__rob> and slick it up with some oil before the sheet goes on
[18:28:58] <__rob> should slide out
[18:29:20] <CaptHindsight> plastic film on the bottom, then concrete
[18:29:27] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[18:29:56] <CaptHindsight> what's the wall construction?
[18:30:40] <__rob> stone I think
[18:30:48] <__rob> its about 2 ft thick
[18:31:08] <CaptHindsight> epoxy anchors
[18:32:39] <__rob> http://i.snag.gy/w0bdP.jpg
[18:32:46] <__rob> something like that I was thinking
[18:33:27] <MattyMatt_> I'd go right through and have washers and nuts outside. that was the suggestion that got my bracket idea vetoed
[18:33:49] <MattyMatt_> he was intimidated by the length of my drill bit
[18:35:08] <MattyMatt_> pussy didn't want holes in his kitchen wall, even tho the drain already goes through
[18:35:33] <CaptHindsight> __rob: twist your bracket in all directions
[18:36:44] <__rob> twist it ?
[18:36:48] <CaptHindsight> the load will be mostly down, but once the machine is moving you have forces in other directions
[18:36:54] <MattyMatt_> his sink is currently held up by the tap pipes, an exploded can of PU foam, and a jacksall
[18:36:59] <__rob> ahh, well I can always weld 3 of them together
[18:37:01] <__rob> when in place
[18:37:12] <__rob> back and front
[18:37:14] <__rob> before the pour
[18:37:36] <__rob> mabye only need 2
[18:37:40] <__rob> machine is about 800kg max
[18:37:47] <__rob> plus the concrete itself
[18:40:23] <CaptHindsight> how many floors above?
[18:40:31] <__rob> none
[18:40:41] <__rob> its just 1 floor
[18:40:46] <__rob> and the ground floor
[18:40:55] <CaptHindsight> but you have 10 ft of wall above your floor?
[18:41:06] <__rob> easily, yea
[18:41:25] <CaptHindsight> x 2 ft thick is lots of mass
[18:41:46] <__rob> building is solid
[18:41:56] <CaptHindsight> old castle?
[18:42:11] <__rob> there is a huge old steel beem that runs along the back
[18:42:22] <__rob> it would have been for the original first floor
[18:42:33] <__rob> with that size beam it would have been solid
[18:42:53] <__rob> its just a small warehouse
[18:43:00] <__rob> old building though
[18:43:00] <CaptHindsight> well, you have to save some $
[18:44:04] <CaptHindsight> lots of old loft buildings here, brick outer walls, wooden beams for internal supports
[18:44:35] <CaptHindsight> some feel like you're in an old ship
[18:46:13] <__rob> http://i.snag.gy/rmvDO.jpg
[18:46:18] <__rob> gives you an idea of the situation
[18:46:29] <__rob> and you can see a bit of the old beam
[18:46:59] -!- tannewt has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[18:48:38] <Polymorphism> http://www.8020cnc.com/cnc%20pics can I expect results like these from the 6040
[18:48:49] <Connor1> __rob: Why do you want it on a raised floor? (You may have said, I've not went through the backlog of chat all the way..)
[18:49:21] <CaptHindsight> Connor1: his floor is like a drum skin
[18:49:46] <__rob> its not my space
[18:49:51] <__rob> I have been given this patch
[18:49:55] <__rob> but its up on a floor
[18:50:12] <Connor1> Ah. ok
[18:50:20] Connor1 is now known as Connor
[18:50:58] <__rob> as long as the brackets are solid, this does seem like a solution
[18:52:22] -!- tannewt has quit [Client Quit]
[19:00:05] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[19:01:03] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@2601:681:200:179f:fc28:b0fe:bd6e:ae1b] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:02:01] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/SPl2cgm0Q-Y?t=2m35s Ultra-high Precision
[19:07:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Dude, yu can do that stuff using radio shack, home depot, and harbor freight parts!
[19:07:55] <Not-Renny> Meheheh
[19:12:00] <gregcnc> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hexlox/hexlox-anti-theft-for-saddles-wheels-and-more-made
[19:12:57] <gregcnc> might be useful for more than bikes
[19:13:34] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[19:16:46] -!- tannewt has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[19:16:56] -!- Lasper has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:17:04] <Sync> yes Polymorphism
[19:17:48] -!- Lasper [Lasper!~Lasper@xn--leppnen-8wa.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:18:01] <Polymorphism> and these DIY kits take months>
[19:18:01] <Polymorphism> ?
[19:18:12] <Polymorphism> there are lots of cheaper DIY kit type options that seem like they would be a lot less
[19:18:22] <Polymorphism> http://www.8020cnc.com/cnc%20pics
[19:18:24] <Polymorphism> like this
[19:19:23] <Polymorphism> http://neo7cnc.com/
[19:19:24] <Polymorphism> or these
[19:20:54] <Polymorphism> or just any of these many kits I see
[19:24:24] <Duc> To redo the wiring in my cabinet again or just place the 4th axis driver where it will fit
[19:26:00] -!- tannewt has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[19:26:16] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIygRynDR38 can the 6040 cut like this? I'm guessing not
[19:26:35] <Polymorphism> 5 minutes in
[19:28:47] <Sync> it is a completely different type of machine
[19:29:02] <Sync> but those cuts should be possible, although not with that size of endmill
[19:33:16] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S010648f8b3c3bc3b.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:44:06] -!- The__Ball has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:44:15] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@c-76-27-43-96.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:47:53] <Polymorphism> ok
[19:47:58] -!- Renny [Renny!~AndChat70@2600:100e:b12a:e1fc:c08f:10df:f6f5:ffc4] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:49:03] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:50:18] -!- solosoft has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:59:24] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[20:01:48] -!- Frank__9 [Frank__9!~frank___@host50.190-30-168.telecom.net.ar] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:11:03] <Polymorphism> !!!
[20:11:20] <Polymorphism> I can't wait to get cutting it seems like more options keep popping up
[20:14:49] <Polymorphism> what I'm really looking for is the best under 3500 USD
[20:16:57] -!- chupacabra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[20:17:10] <Renny> Hey, does anyone here power their CNC stuff off of converters or generators, or do you all already have 3 phase?
[20:21:45] * cpresser has 3phase
[20:22:29] <Duc> Renny: I use a 3 phase conventor for the lathe and surface grinder
[20:24:55] <witnit> Renny: what machine are you running?
[20:28:24] <bobo__> might look at phaseperfect.com
[20:31:58] -!- chillly has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
[20:31:59] -!- GJdan has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[20:40:46] <JT-Shop> Renny: yes http://gnipsel.com/shop/rpc/rpc.xhtml
[20:41:23] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[20:42:15] <Duc> Ive been using a american rotary 15 hp unit fine for about 3 years cost 1400 deliveried
[20:43:09] -!- chupacabra [chupacabra!~chups@2605:6000:101d:8041:42e2:30ff:fe9f:ba68] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:43:10] <toastydeath> Polymorphism: what kind of machine are you going to be using
[20:44:14] <toastydeath> Renny: CNC can be very sensitive (depending on the drives and motors) to phase error
[20:44:31] <toastydeath> so generally if you can run a vfd vs a phase converter for cnc, it is preferred
[20:44:41] <toastydeath> for manual machines, rpc is preferred
[20:48:04] <Polymorphism> toastyde2th, I' trying to decide
[20:48:39] <Polymorphism> $2729 total for this...
[20:48:53] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[20:49:00] <Polymorphism> realized shipping isnt free
[20:49:17] <Polymorphism> so its much more expensive than the generic 6040 machines
[20:49:24] <Polymorphism> I need to know if its worth it
[20:49:38] <Polymorphism> or if at 2790 its getting close to being worth going with a different machine entirely
[20:49:48] -!- chillly has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
[20:49:48] <Polymorphism> thats almost 3k which looks close to some non-chinese made machines
[20:49:55] <Polymorphism> also very close to 6090
[20:49:56] <toastydeath> what kind of work are you trying to do
[20:50:32] <Polymorphism> I just found the perfect example
[20:50:54] <Polymorphism> http://www.8020cnc.com/cnc%20pics
[20:50:58] <Polymorphism> at the bottom of the page
[20:51:11] <Polymorphism> thats exactly what i want to do
[20:53:21] <Polymorphism> I'm considering this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332?hash=item3389bcb334:g:yoIAAOSwm8VUyYZi ------------ anf this http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/ and this ------------ http://nscnc.com/ ------- and this http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm --------- and this http://www.zenbotcnc.com/
[20:53:26] <toastydeath> no idea, i don't have much experience with desk routers
[20:53:33] <Polymorphism> crap
[20:53:38] <toastydeath> mills, yes
[20:53:38] <Polymorphism> I need to find th ebest option for 3500 or less
[20:53:46] <Polymorphism> usd
[20:54:41] <Duc> buy a used bridgeport cnc on ebay and convert
[20:54:53] <Duc> can get it for around 500-800 then add electronics
[20:55:26] <Polymorphism> I've heard it might take a lot of time to convert and get it setup, plus thats a much larger heavier device
[20:55:48] -!- witnit has quit [Quit: witnit]
[20:56:34] <Polymorphism> well damn...
[20:56:36] <miss0r> can anyone in here reccommend a cheap and good-for-the-price 3D dial indicator?
[20:56:38] <Polymorphism> not sure where to go from here
[20:56:54] <Polymorphism> the x6 shipped is 2600, the raptor is 3400 made in canada bigger bed
[20:56:58] <Polymorphism> not sure how the machine compares
[20:57:12] <Polymorphism> toastydeath, did you see the x62200l and the xzero raptor links
[20:57:22] <Polymorphism> those machines are only 800 difference in price
[20:57:34] <Polymorphism> when I'm spending this much maybe a little more makes sense
[20:57:40] <Polymorphism> OR do I go for the much cdheaper generic 6040s
[20:57:41] <toastydeath> Polymorphism: I don't have any experience with small gantry machines, i can't make good recommendations
[20:57:46] <Polymorphism> without linear guide rails
[20:57:48] <toastydeath> miss0r: what is cheap to you
[20:58:01] <Polymorphism> those are only 1200 shipped
[20:58:06] <Polymorphism> but I may neeed new box
[20:58:25] -!- tannewt has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[20:58:25] <miss0r> good question. I do think a Haimer priced at 6-800usd is a bit over the top
[21:00:31] <toastydeath> good lord
[21:00:47] <miss0r> yeah, i'm in the cheap-o end, i know
[21:00:52] <toastydeath> get a mitutoyo
[21:01:18] <toastydeath> they're like 100-200 and you're not going to see much better in .001" or .0001" indicators
[21:01:48] <gregcnc> 3D taster variety?
[21:02:22] <miss0r> heh. I didn't know they made one of thoes.
[21:02:25] <miss0r> gregcnc: yeah
[21:02:57] <gregcnc> the newer smaller haimer is ~400US
[21:03:44] <toastydeath> why
[21:03:47] <miss0r> thats not bad...
[21:03:57] <toastydeath> i have used plenty of 3d tasters and they're not that great
[21:04:02] <toastydeath> even on the high end
[21:04:21] <miss0r> i've just found a haimer for $300
[21:05:18] <miss0r> What I am looking for is a consistent way to set the workpeice height
[21:05:29] <toastydeath> to what accuracy
[21:05:38] <miss0r> within 0.01mm
[21:05:56] <miss0r> perhaps 0.02 in some cases
[21:06:05] <toastydeath> get a touch probe
[21:06:22] <toastydeath> 200-300 used
[21:06:38] <toastydeath> ultra-repeatable
[21:07:03] <Polymorphism> http://www.pocketnc.com/preorders/may-2016-pocket-nc-preorder too small but interesting machine
[21:07:10] <miss0r> hmm. does that also allow for setting x-y?
[21:07:23] <toastydeath> miss0r: yes, they work at any angle
[21:07:33] -!- rob_h has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[21:07:51] <toastydeath> and most machines have canned cycles explicity for using them - i believe linuxcnc does as well, plus some additional programming that fanuc/etc don't have
[21:08:15] <toastydeath> so you don't really have to use it by hand if you don't want
[21:08:21] -!- morbo_ has quit []
[21:08:39] -!- rob_h [rob_h!~robh@2.217.99.241] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:11:23] <miss0r> indeed. I don't think the new mill has it thou. it is too old
[21:13:25] <XXCoder> heys
[21:13:41] <miss0r> hey
[21:13:44] <XXCoder> my van seem to have confirmed o2 is broken
[21:13:59] <XXCoder> if it was at rest for a bit, it always throws error p0135. finally
[21:14:04] <XXCoder> I plan to change it soon
[21:14:31] <miss0r> did you call nissan for a quote?
[21:14:39] <XXCoder> gonna do that too
[21:17:46] <miss0r> alright, good luck. i'll head to bed now.
[21:17:48] <miss0r> g'night
[21:17:52] <XXCoder> night miss0r
[21:17:57] -!- miss0r has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[21:20:27] <Polymorphism> holy crap
[21:20:34] <Polymorphism> I found the perfect example of what I want to do with the machine
[21:20:34] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-4-Axis-Kit-Stepping-Driver-TB6600HG-Box-Set-LCD-Display-Keypad-5A-/152014806498?hash=item2364c9dde2:g:pU8AAOSwyjBW5juS
[21:20:39] <Polymorphism> check out the picturesof that device
[21:20:53] <Polymorphism> its the exact type of enclosure I want to start with
[21:20:58] <Polymorphism> and then make cutouts like that
[21:24:05] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, pink_vampire are you around
[21:24:11] <Loetmichel> i am
[21:24:46] <Loetmichel> so do. whats holding you back?
[21:24:49] -!- MrSunshine [MrSunshine!~mrsun@c-393de253.4551536--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:25:07] <Loetmichel> i thought you already ordered a 6040?
[21:25:13] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/ I cant decide between this machine or a generic 6040
[21:25:29] <Polymorphism> or if there might be a better option for ~$3000 or less
[21:25:35] -!- shaun413 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[21:25:42] <Polymorphism> I saw the x6 has linear guide rails and some other features
[21:25:48] <Polymorphism> but its 2600 shipped USD
[21:26:00] <jdh> usb
[21:26:21] <Simonious> Polymorphism: keep notes on your process and share them with me! I'm not ready to follow your path today, but I'll find your notes valuable when I am.
[21:26:22] <Polymorphism> yes usb, linear guide rails, a dust boot, 2.2kw spindle, and some other upgrades
[21:26:27] <Loetmichel> and its usb, so linuxCNC wil most likely not work
[21:26:29] <Polymorphism> Simonious, will do
[21:26:36] <jdh> usb blows
[21:27:14] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, so you don't think its woeth it for the linear guide rails?
[21:27:17] <Polymorphism> instead of the rods
[21:27:20] <Loetmichel> these "usb controllers" are more or less all a µc-board with GRBL on them and an USB-> Serial interface
[21:27:20] <Polymorphism> on the generic 6040s
[21:27:49] <Loetmichel> the linear rails are nice to have. but as you noticed: expensive
[21:28:22] <jdh> I have one of their older pport ones
[21:28:37] <Polymorphism> the x6-2200l?
[21:28:51] <Loetmichel> and as small as the gantry is i doubt there is much metal the guides are screwed ONTO... so they basically arent that much stiffer than normal rods from the 6040
[21:29:06] <jdh> it was just s 6040 then
[21:29:30] <Polymorphism> so you're saying its probably NOT worth the extra 800 dollars for the linear guide rails and whatever other features it may have, like usb
[21:29:45] <Polymorphism> actually its 1400 vs 2600 shipped
[21:29:48] <Loetmichel> yes. the usb controller is more a turn off than anything
[21:29:50] <Polymorphism> yeah
[21:29:53] <Polymorphism> ok
[21:30:02] <Polymorphism> I will keep looking at generic 6040s then
[21:30:03] <jdh> usb is an antifeature
[21:30:16] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, http://www.8020cnc.com/cnc%20pics
[21:30:28] -!- swarfer [swarfer!~Thunderbi@105.184.192.136] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:30:29] <Polymorphism> if you scroll to the bottom, I can do that no problem with the generic 6040 ?
[21:30:48] <Polymorphism> have you had any rigidity issues with your rails
[21:31:10] <toastydeath> in general the rails are not a component a person considers in rigidity
[21:31:26] <toastydeath> a bigger rail is not sufficiently different in terms of static rigidity
[21:31:26] <Polymorphism> ah
[21:31:37] <Polymorphism> what is the advantage of the linear guide rails
[21:31:40] <Polymorphism> on the x6
[21:31:55] -!- swarfer has quit [Client Quit]
[21:31:55] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: of copurse you can do that
[21:32:09] <Polymorphism> btw, Loetmichel: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-4-Axis-Kit-Stepping-Driver-TB6600HG-Box-Set-LCD-Display-Keypad-5A-/152014806498?hash=item2364c9dde2:g:pU8AAOSwyjBW5juS this enclosure is exactly the type I want to cut! and this is the type of end result I would like
[21:32:30] <Polymorphism> I finally found a pic
[21:32:37] <Loetmichel> [22:23] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, pink_vampire are you around
[21:32:37] <Loetmichel> [22:23] <Loetmichel> i am
[21:32:37] <Loetmichel> [22:24] <Loetmichel> so do. whats holding you back?
[21:33:21] <Polymorphism> the price, I need to be sure it will meet my needs and that I'm getting the absolute best for the money
[21:33:26] -!- MrSunshine_ [MrSunshine_!~mrsun@c-393de253.4551536--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:33:30] <Polymorphism> and that it doesnt make sense to increase my budget a little bit for something bettetr
[21:33:31] <Polymorphism> etc
[21:33:37] -!- MrSunshine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:34:01] <toastydeath> Polymorphism: linear rails are low friction and don't require a big lube system
[21:34:46] <Polymorphism> http://www.zenbotcnc.com/ I recently discovered these options as well
[21:34:58] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: thats made on a 6040: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[21:35:00] <toastydeath> the downside is that they're easy to damage compared to ways
[21:35:01] <Polymorphism> A larger work area for a similar price? they show it illing alu
[21:35:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14781&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[21:35:19] <toastydeath> another downside is that the rail is only as accurate as what it's mounted to
[21:35:27] <Polymorphism> what is that material Loetmichel ?
[21:35:32] <Loetmichel> aluminium
[21:35:37] <Polymorphism> how thick?
[21:35:52] <Loetmichel> front and back 8,mm, rest 2mm
[21:36:07] <Polymorphism> wow ok
[21:36:14] <Polymorphism> thats with a stock 6040? or did you say you modified
[21:36:16] <Polymorphism> sorry I cant recall
[21:37:22] <Loetmichel> i did, but only the couplers that failed after a year
[21:37:29] <Loetmichel> btw: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14999&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[21:38:08] <Polymorphism> so it can mill thicker alu no problem
[21:38:11] <Loetmichel> thats a littke cable clamp made of 8mm aluminium and 6mm "hardpaper" to fix a little problem...
[21:38:14] <Polymorphism> I dont need to pay 800 for linear guide rails to work alu
[21:38:27] <Loetmichel> no, you just have to have some patience
[21:38:30] <MrSunshine_> hmm, if i have a piece, its 125mm wide and 400mm high, the total error in "angle" from the bottom to the top over the 400mm is about 0.3mm how much is the bottom off then ? that is, how much do i have to remove to correct the error =)
[21:38:41] <Polymorphism> thats nearly 3/8"
[21:38:42] <Loetmichel> 8mm thick aluminium takes a wjhiole at 0,2mm depth per cut. ;-)
[21:38:50] <Polymorphism> thats ok
[21:38:57] <Polymorphism> as long as it looks nice and isnt bad for the machine or tools
[21:39:10] <Loetmichel> it will and it isnt
[21:40:00] <Loetmichel> here i do 0,5mm per cut. thats pretty much the limit waht a 2mm Tungsten carbide mill bit will bear:
[21:40:18] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqXauMOhWos
[21:41:10] <Loetmichel> also there is the vacuum table in action ;)
[21:41:18] <Loetmichel> and it shows a case of "machine too small"
[21:41:35] <Loetmichel> had do mill it 30° tilted to fit on the table
[21:42:00] <Polymorphism> xD
[21:42:22] <Polymorphism> would you buy the same machine again? or something larger like 6090
[21:42:41] <Loetmichel> i already had a larger machine
[21:42:56] <Loetmichel> woildnt buy a 6040 again, would build myself one...
[21:43:06] <Loetmichel> but thats because i have the tools to do so;)
[21:43:28] <Polymorphism> I'm short on time and tools, I'd better buy
[21:43:50] <Polymorphism> so my choic ebecomes
[21:44:10] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iYhICZEsCA <- thats the machine i built for my ex.boss
[21:44:14] <Polymorphism> buy the black box model 6040 for 1400 USD, and use the controller, or buy the white box and throw it away people dont think its too good I don;t think, and then buy gecko or other
[21:44:38] <Polymorphism> what size table? nice
[21:44:58] <Polymorphism> white box model is 1200
[21:44:58] <Loetmichel> 1500mm by 1020mm by 160mm travel
[21:45:19] <jdh> I was planning on a gecko but mine has been fine
[21:46:07] <Polymorphism> jdh, which box do you have?
[21:46:09] <Polymorphism> white blue or black
[21:46:12] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: the TB6560 chips inside the cheap chinese driver boxes are perfectly fine as long as you remember to NOT EVER disconnect the motors while the drivers are powered
[21:46:48] <Polymorphism> ok
[21:46:55] <jdh> black, from omio or etf they are
[21:47:00] <Loetmichel> btw: i am the guy in the blue/black checkered shirt
[21:47:24] <toastydeath> tbh networking has the best people that i've worked with in general
[21:47:26] <toastydeath> oops
[21:47:27] <toastydeath> wrong channel
[21:47:35] <Polymorphism> jdh, but no linear guide rails?
[21:47:36] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[21:47:56] <toastydeath> linear guide rails are not that great on small machines
[21:48:06] <toastydeath> they're usually bolted down to aluminum extrusions
[21:48:14] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: linear guide rails are only making sense if there is anythiong to screw them into
[21:48:15] <jdh> it has linear rails
[21:48:19] <toastydeath> the guide rail is *only* as accurate as what it's bolted to
[21:48:59] <Loetmichel> if there is no big bar or box tube behind it on the gantry they are as weak as cylindrical rails
[21:49:01] <Polymorphism> is there something to screw them to on that x6?
[21:49:04] <jdh> what elsr would you use
[21:49:06] <Polymorphism> or you're saying there is no point
[21:49:35] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: the linear rails are not stiff in themselves
[21:49:42] <Loetmichel> they can bolted to something stiff
[21:49:55] <Loetmichel> so if there is nothing stiff they are not making sense. got it?
[21:50:04] <Polymorphism> yeah
[21:50:15] <Polymorphism> I see
[21:50:52] <Loetmichel> same reason i said : get a 604 that has supported rails in y
[21:51:03] <Loetmichel> meaning the long axis
[21:51:20] <Loetmichel> so that you can bolt at least y to something more stiff than the rest of the machine
[21:51:53] <Loetmichel> in x (the gantry) its fruitless to use any supported raisl because there is nothigh you could bolt them onto
[21:52:01] -!- solosoft [solosoft!~top@ti0004a400-3013.bb.online.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:53:10] <Polymorphism> I still need to decide which control box and which spindle
[21:53:14] <toastydeath> don't get an expensive linear rail, because if your frame is only accurate to .005" per foot, then your rail will be .005" per foot + rail error
[21:53:18] <Polymorphism> some have 1.5kw, some have only 800w
[21:53:23] <Polymorphism> and some machines are painted, some are not
[21:53:29] <Polymorphism> I heard the paint can be low quality
[21:53:46] <Polymorphism> toastydeath, ok, I won't spend extra on the machine with linear rails
[21:54:35] <Polymorphism> So I know I want 6040
[21:54:49] <Polymorphism> now I need to decide, which control box, which spindle, and painted or not painted
[21:54:50] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: the paint CAN hide low qualtity aluminium but have to...
[21:55:06] <Polymorphism> did your machine come painted or bare metal Loetmichel
[21:55:19] <Polymorphism> and what do you think of 800w vs 1.5kw spindle
[21:55:21] <Polymorphism> for htis machine
[21:55:27] <Loetmichel> do you even look at the videos i show you?
[21:55:30] <Loetmichel> bare metal
[21:55:58] <Loetmichel> 800W vs 1.5 kw is irrelevant. you will not use either to any extent
[21:56:11] <Loetmichel> only the 2.2kw is bad because weight and lower RPM
[21:56:48] <Polymorphism> yes Loetmichel I looked at all of them
[21:56:56] <Polymorphism> its just so much information and I didnt have them open any more
[21:57:00] <Polymorphism> I have 50 tabs open
[21:57:04] <Polymorphism> xD
[21:57:22] <Polymorphism> ok so 800w vs 1.5wk doesnt matter much
[21:57:31] <Polymorphism> and I actually DONT want 2.2k hmm ok
[21:57:39] <Polymorphism> I was thinking that made the x6 unit nicer
[21:58:12] <Loetmichel> *meh* those guinnes "draft" cans... one day i will get them poured witout staining my clothes in the process :-(
[21:59:01] <XXCoder> just dont wear shirts
[21:59:04] <XXCoder> stain yourself
[21:59:27] <Loetmichel> *boarpsss*
[21:59:28] <Loetmichel> :-)
[21:59:39] <Loetmichel> alrady empty the glass ;)
[21:59:39] <XXCoder> manly way
[22:01:59] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/800W-4-AXIS-CNC-6040-ROUTER-DRILLING-MILLING-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-3D-ENGRAVING-fast-/381554218556?hash=item58d667563c:g:UQMAAOSwDuJW1mg0 Loetmichel do you think the dust covers are any good?
[22:02:15] <Polymorphism> I'm, worried about a painted unit... it might not be the same quality as yours
[22:02:20] <Polymorphism> I don't think these machines are all the same!
[22:02:31] <Loetmichel> they are, mor eor less
[22:02:41] -!- solosoft has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:02:42] <Loetmichel> and the bellows are a nice addition
[22:02:56] <Loetmichel> consiodering how much dirt i blow out of the mecahnics all day...
[22:05:45] <Polymorphism> two of these 6040s the cheapest two on ebay
[22:05:54] <Polymorphism> are the same price, one is 4 axis the other is 3
[22:05:59] <Polymorphism> I may as well take the 4th for free @_@
[22:06:07] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Machine-Engraving-Drilling-4-Axis-6040-Desktop-/291054639648?hash=item43c4355a20:g:VnoAAOSw1ZBUyYZj
[22:06:14] <Polymorphism> that is the one I think I will buy
[22:06:48] <Polymorphism> does everything look ok?
[22:06:51] <Polymorphism> thanks again for all of the help
[22:07:22] <Polymorphism> its 300 more than the cheapest one, but it looks better
[22:08:55] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-1-5KW-3-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-DRILLING-MILLING-6040-USA-/331787662821?hash=item4d4015f5e5:g:hpwAAOSwAKxWakwH
[22:09:00] <Polymorphism> for comparison, that is hte cheapest
[22:09:02] <Polymorphism> but it looks inferior
[22:09:12] <Polymorphism> even though the spindle is higher wattage..
[22:10:28] <Polymorphism> the hardware is all different
[22:10:28] <Polymorphism> etc
[22:10:35] <Polymorphism> the mount
[22:10:39] <Polymorphism> they are different machines imo
[22:12:15] <Polymorphism> and of course the controller
[22:12:21] <Deejay> gn8
[22:12:21] <Polymorphism> can anyone weigh in on this?
[22:12:23] <Polymorphism> gn
[22:12:57] -!- Deejay has quit [Quit: bye]
[22:13:48] -!- Frank__9 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]
[22:14:02] * Polymorphism agonizes over the final choice
[22:16:21] -!- Not-Renny [Not-Renny!~AndChat70@2601:681:200:179f:fc28:b0fe:bd6e:ae1b] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:18:37] -!- Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[22:19:07] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/19-W-x-3-84-H-x-9-84-D-2U-Rack-Mount-Cabinet-Enclosure-ET2-25B-/181411973692
[22:19:11] <Polymorphism> is that the best price for these?
[22:19:15] <Polymorphism> and the 6040 can mill these?
[22:21:59] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@180.181.102.121] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:25:46] <Polymorphism> ??
[22:26:35] <Tom_itx> you are the shopper. find the best price
[22:26:56] <Polymorphism> well the two machines appear to be different
[22:27:25] <Tom_itx> i got my enclosure for $25
[22:27:51] -!- JT-Shop [JT-Shop!~emc@198.45.191.246] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:27:53] <Polymorphism> where?
[22:28:24] <Tom_itx> ebay
[22:28:46] * Tom_itx wonders when JT-Shop will be back on 3 wheels again
[22:29:12] <jdh> I paid 75 shipped
[22:29:22] <JT-Shop> dunno, took it to the dealer today
[22:29:42] <jdh> with disconnect, estop,start,din rail
[22:29:45] <JT-Shop> I was wondering when I'd get my lan connection working on this computer
[22:30:00] <JT-Shop> tried to boot from clonezilla and it would not boot
[22:30:02] <Tom_itx> seems you can check that off your list
[22:31:08] <JT-Shop> started digging stumps this afternoon what a pain in the neck and other areas
[22:31:32] <Tom_itx> i thought you had heavy equipment for that?
[22:33:40] <JT-Shop> John Deere 310A backhoe yes but they are kinda big so it's a pain to get the stump to move
[22:34:08] <Tom_itx> get some dynamite
[22:34:18] <Tom_itx> det cord
[22:34:20] <JT-Shop> kinda hard to get anymore
[22:34:42] <Tom_itx> take pot shots at it with your cannon
[22:35:05] <JT-Shop> that's not big enough
[22:35:25] <Tom_itx> maybe not but it would be loud and fun
[22:35:29] <JT-Shop> I need an excavator out here to speed this up
[22:36:39] <Tom_itx> i was 2 points from getting 100% on my first catia class and i contested that it was a matter of interpretation of the drawing
[22:37:22] <Tom_itx> got all the quizzes & problems right and mis-interpreted one thing on the final
[22:37:30] -!- mase-tech has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[22:37:44] <CaptHindsight> stumpmunitions
[22:37:59] <Tom_itx> i should post the drawing and see what ppl say here
[22:39:23] <JT-Shop> that's pretty good tom
[22:39:23] -!- Renny [Renny!~AndChat70@2600:100e:b12a:e1fc:ffb2:383f:e441:222f] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:39:49] <CaptHindsight> with all that outdoor space you could make your own dynamite pretty safely
[22:39:49] <Tom_itx> i was happy but it kinda bugged me after going that far
[22:40:19] -!- mase-tech [mase-tech!~mase-tech@2a02:908:1862:9260:cc6f:db95:5da8:751a] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:40:25] <Tom_itx> i think i convinced the prof to give it to me
[22:40:29] -!- Not-Renny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[22:41:16] <Tom_itx> it won't affect the grade either way, it's just the principle...
[22:42:51] -!- HighSkyDreamer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[22:43:26] * JT-Shop wonders why this computer would not boot clonezilla from the dvd drive...
[22:44:32] <CaptHindsight> never mind it requires an ATF license to make even for self use
[22:45:02] <Polymorphism> silencer?
[22:45:10] <Polymorphism> oh dynamite, ofc
[22:46:38] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWScHaWZfXA
[22:53:56] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdX_n09cI0
[22:55:16] -!- Duc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[22:58:53] -!- HighSkyDreamer [HighSkyDreamer!~user@c-24-10-227-17.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:58:54] <Polymorphism> have to stop for food again... damn
[22:58:56] <Polymorphism> back in a bit
[22:59:38] -!- Deamondread [Deamondread!~user@c-24-10-227-17.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:00:12] -!- Deamondread has quit [Client Quit]
[23:01:37] <jdh> just buy it
[23:03:31] -!- Polymorphism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[23:05:45] <CaptHindsight> looks like you need the license to purchase, store, use, transport, manufacture, test....
[23:06:15] -!- solosoft [solosoft!~top@ti0004a400-3013.bb.online.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:14:11] -!- chillly has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
[23:25:26] -!- mase-tech has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[23:42:37] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@erina.opennet-initiative.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:45:04] <XXCoder> gonna love amazon suggestions sometimes
[23:45:24] <XXCoder> "oh look you bought a nissan quest part, here's awesome totally unrelated car part shit!
[23:46:26] <Tom_itx> hey you might buy one some day
[23:46:46] <XXCoder> percent of chance is damn near zero
[23:46:56] <XXCoder> specific year range of specific model and make suuure
[23:49:02] -!- linuxcnc-build has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:54:03] -!- solosoft has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]