#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-30

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[00:10:16] <PetefromTn_> well its paid for and we will see how long it takes to get here and how much the customs fees turn out to be
[00:14:11] <Tom_itx> do a couple quick jobs while you're waiting and you'll surely have it covered
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[00:19:35] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx actually I have a BUNCH of work for the shop to do coming up here next week that will be probably enough to pay for the whole retrofit hopefully
[00:20:18] <PetefromTn_> now I gotta decide on the best VFD to get
[00:24:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[00:28:51] <Tom_itx> next thing you can invest in some good cad cam
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[00:29:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.
[00:29:48] <PetefromTn_> I can't see anything more than fusion 360 tho
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[00:31:07] <Tom_itx> i've never used it but it might be adequate for your needs
[00:31:33] <PetefromTn_> honestly what I have is ADEQUATE for my needs I seldom do anything really complex or 3D so far
[00:31:49] <Tom_itx> that's where the money's at
[00:32:04] <PetefromTn_> thats what they tell me but so far that has not happened
[00:32:17] <Tom_itx> my bud started out like you
[00:32:30] <Tom_itx> doing odd jobs for 3rd party or small companies
[00:33:03] <Tom_itx> worked up to doing experimental parts for aircraft and finally into the production side
[00:33:25] <Tom_itx> getting bids on more complex parts each step of the way
[00:33:35] <Tom_itx> and learning how to bid them
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[00:34:27] <Tom_itx> he started with a manual mill, bridgeport and a bridgeport tracer
[00:34:49] <Tom_itx> err manual lathe..
[00:35:07] <Tom_itx> still owns all but the tracer
[00:37:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't honestly see me ever getting terribly big or moving into a huge shop or anything like that
[00:37:51] <PetefromTn_> I just want to have the CNC lathe and the CNC mill completed and working to the point that I can make parts/money with them and be able to repair them if they go down
[00:38:27] <PetefromTn_> if the business continues or improves from where it is now I will be pretty pleased with this. anything more than that would be a blessing to be sure
[00:38:47] <Tom_itx> it will
[00:38:49] <PetefromTn_> I really LOVE working for myself and working mostly from my home with my kids/family around me here
[00:39:33] <PetefromTn_> when I get a nice paying job and stuff some cash into savings it gives me a big huge smile and makes me feel that all this work and learning was worth the trip.
[00:40:17] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could fit/afford a nice CNC slantbed like Zeeshan got but honestly just having a nice CNC lathe with some sort of toolchanger will go a LONG way to allowing me to do some cool stuff.
[00:40:51] <PetefromTn_> Eventually if I outgrow it I will probably move it aside in the shop and get something bigger
[00:41:23] <PetefromTn_> It is looking that the Hitachi WJ200 is going to be the choice for the VFD drive as there are no other reasonably priced options out there.
[00:41:40] <PetefromTn_> I have had relatively good success from the one in the cincinatti so far
[00:42:07] <PetefromTn_> I may use my paycheck from work tomorrow to buy it and get it also on its way here
[00:42:35] <PetefromTn_> Trying to stuff some cash away for Christmas and the holidays too so gotta choose wisely ;)
[00:43:44] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5289168617.html looks like a great deal
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[00:46:49] <robinsz> evening ...
[00:47:19] <PetefromTn_> evening
[00:47:36] <robinsz> for your amusement https://www.dropbox.com/s/713t5fpgxvuvbdf/IR_0104.jpg?dl=0
[00:47:59] <robinsz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tp4r3614nvj0vus/IR_0106.jpg?dl=0
[00:48:15] <robinsz> after 3.5 hours at 18k rpm
[00:48:58] <PetefromTn_> gettin warm there man
[00:49:54] <robinsz> 70c inside spindle housing is OK i think
[00:50:28] <andypugh> 75C inside the spindle? That seems rather warm. Mine gets pretty hot at 1000 rpm, though. I probably should check the preload.
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[00:51:05] <andypugh> I doubt it is hot enough to damage anything except your fingers.
[00:51:07] <robinsz> at 4k it stays cool to the touch
[00:51:51] <robinsz> its probably using regular moly grease instead of high speed stuff that does it
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[00:52:55] <robinsz> im very impressed with the perfrormance of the cutter though
[00:53:05] <robinsz> Onsrud single flute
[00:53:23] <andypugh> Woodwind solo?
[00:53:36] <robinsz> each sheet takes about 3.5 hours at 18k rpm
[00:53:47] <robinsz> haha
[00:54:01] <robinsz> 3 sheets on this cutter now, still going well
[00:54:08] <PetefromTn_> whatcha makin?
[00:54:23] <robinsz> 19in rack mount panels
[00:54:33] <robinsz> 60 to a sheet
[00:55:40] <PetefromTn_> no idea what that is
[00:56:12] <robinsz> 19 inch rack units?
[00:56:28] <robinsz> standard electronics industry size for equipment
[00:56:30] <robinsz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/awwkhioi83r634t/DSC_1670.jpg?dl=0
[00:57:16] <robinsz> and ...
[00:57:17] <robinsz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwf6fj943s9l66m/DSC_1671.jpg?dl=0
[00:58:16] <robinsz> the trajectory planner in 2.7.x is *perfect*
[00:58:43] <robinsz> im running helical ramps into the small pockets and it is smooooooooooooooooooooth
[01:02:59] <robinsz> not quite managed to get my xhc-hbo4 pendant to work right though :(
[01:03:37] <PetefromTn_> Oh cool you got one of those
[01:03:43] <PetefromTn_> I like the looks of the wired one
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[01:03:52] <robinsz> i went wireless
[01:04:02] <robinsz> its fine on the sim
[01:04:19] <robinsz> just not managed to get the righ tmagic to make it work on my real one
[01:04:19] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is probably fine but I am a wired kinda guy
[01:05:11] <robinsz> yeah, no batteries to go flat
[01:07:04] <robinsz> the new Vectric cut 2d pro is VERY good as well
[01:07:22] <robinsz> for routing, I recommend highly
[01:08:14] <robinsz> I need a good cam package for some hobby parts though, 3d milling
[01:09:03] <andypugh> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/Screen_Shot_2015-10-29_at_22.20.44-RtdPS7Sb.1446167329.png
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[01:10:09] <PetefromTn_> damn thats pretty pro looking
[01:10:39] <andypugh> Well, it’s identical (just about) to HSM Pro bit £7500 less :-)
[01:11:33] <andypugh> robinsz: If you can stand Windows / Mac and being Cloud based, Fusion 360 is free if your company makes less than 100k a year. (or for hobby use)
[01:11:35] <Tom_itx> andypugh, what formats will fusion 360 import?
[01:11:55] <Tom_itx> and it comes with cam?
[01:12:08] <Tom_itx> not a bad deal for a small outfit really..
[01:12:45] <robinsz> andypugh, that looks decent
[01:12:58] <andypugh> It’s wierd, you have to upload the model to the cloud to convert some things (including Inventor .ipt). Local import is Iges, SAT, STEP And f3d
[01:13:21] <Tom_itx> sat and iges are pretty common
[01:14:42] <Tom_itx> how do you specify the material size when putting tools to the model?
[01:14:46] <andypugh> This is the upload-convert list: http://www.picpaste.com/Screen_Shot_2015-10-30_at_01.13.57-qw9DWTfO.png
[01:14:55] <robinsz> iges is fine
[01:15:11] <Tom_itx> yeah i can do just about anything i need with iges
[01:15:20] <robinsz> I tried Mecsoft FreeMill
[01:15:33] <robinsz> that was a waste of electrons ... totally useless
[01:16:09] <robinsz> it will do 1 pass, full depth. no part depth passes
[01:16:23] <robinsz> and either raster X or raster Y
[01:16:24] <andypugh> Tom_itx: ANy way you want, by default it makes a cuboid that you can adjust the size of, but you can choose a cylinder or a tube, and if you need to you can also model a solid and use that.
[01:16:30] <robinsz> no profile passes ...
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[01:17:30] <andypugh> As far as I can see Fusion 360 has every feature of the Inventor HSM Pro package, which seems crazy :-)
[01:18:14] <robinsz> Im assuming this is their attemot to get back into the Solidowrks community
[01:18:16] <PetefromTn_> I need to try it
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[01:18:49] <Tom_itx> andypugh, that's handy
[01:19:07] <robinsz> props to Da Pugh for the info, looks neat
[01:19:09] <Tom_itx> you might inspire me to look at it
[01:19:48] <andypugh> it also does “rest machining” ie, it wil carry on where the previous op left off. And it is rather good at staying down and steering round unmachined bits, which saves a lot of time.
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[01:20:36] <robinsz> right
[01:21:20] <andypugh> Interesting example of adaptive clearing: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Lp4Jt1r6QCY7dqxID6Tq4dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:21:34] <robinsz> once upon a time ... I had a dodgy copy of Visual Mill that did a lot of that nice stuff, but I think it disappeared in some random computer death event about 10 years ago
[01:22:15] <andypugh> That was a square lump. It machined it at 10mm step-down, then backs up in 1mm steps to correct the profile, all as part of the same strategy.
[01:23:02] <andypugh> A bull-nose cutter would have been ideal, but I don’t have any.
[01:23:26] <Tom_itx> you can grind some :)
[01:23:57] <robinsz> nice
[01:24:07] <robinsz> pattern for a casting I take it?
[01:24:19] <Tom_itx> how did it handle the pocket cutouts?
[01:24:35] <Tom_itx> did it remember where it had cut on the cone?
[01:25:28] <andypugh> robinsz: Yes, it’s a replacement for the compound slide on the lathe. No point having a floppy compound on a CNC
[01:25:47] <robinsz> and the other huge patterny things?
[01:25:53] <robinsz> same project?
[01:26:20] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes. It basically does exactly what you would expect to do if you were making it by hand and had miraculous hand-eye coordination.
[01:26:51] <Tom_itx> what did you have to do to the post to get it right for lcnc?
[01:27:05] <andypugh> robinsz: Yes, the big white thing is the thread cutting gearbox replacement (1kw servo mount + ballscrew bearings) and the other other one is the cover for the X axis drive.
[01:27:21] <andypugh> There is a built-in Linuxcnc post (called emc)
[01:27:31] <Tom_itx> cool
[01:27:47] <Tom_itx> will it do lathe as well?
[01:27:57] <andypugh> I have told them to change it to LinuxCNC a few times, but they don’t seem to listen)
[01:28:09] <Tom_itx> not really sure you need a lathe cad cam honestly
[01:28:26] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes, you can see it in the ribbon on the first screenshot. (click the picpaste page for full size)
[01:28:26] <robinsz> nice
[01:29:04] <robinsz> I played an a mates manual-cnc Harrison
[01:29:28] <robinsz> you could basically teach it on the handwheels, stick another bit of metal in, press replay, done.
[01:29:48] <andypugh> That’s cool.
[01:29:59] <robinsz> very
[01:30:10] <andypugh> I don’t know it it is actualy useful, but it is cool :-)
[01:30:42] <andypugh> Anyhow, I ought to be in bed.
[01:30:53] <robinsz> yes
[01:30:58] <andypugh> I think that the same might be true of ye?
[01:31:03] <Tom_itx> later andy
[01:31:10] <andypugh> Goodnight.
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[01:31:23] <robinsz> nah, im in vampire mode :)
[01:39:45] <jdh> my HD died on my mill. Hope I saved the config somewhere
[01:40:38] <Tom_itx> you better have
[01:44:16] <PetefromTn_> Cool
[01:44:43] <PetefromTn_> just received a sweet picture from an international customer of my Feinwerkbau P800 rail on his rifle
[01:45:02] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/MfnkmnE
[01:45:35] <jdh> I have one from 2012
[01:45:59] <jdh> pete: looks pretty sexy. Have you anodized any of them?
[01:46:04] <Tom_itx> one thing good about a webserver.. i keep a copy up there
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[01:46:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have anodized quite a few but that one was not obviously he just wanted it silver
[01:47:31] <jdh> I have plenty of places I could have saved copies, I just seem to have not done so in several years.
[01:47:58] <Tom_itx> well if you haven't changed it in years you're good
[01:48:18] <Tom_itx> once it works.. no reason to
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[01:48:59] <jdh> I could take the opportunity to upgrade and swap my 7i43 for something less p-porty.
[01:49:19] <Tom_itx> i fried mine and went with the 7i90
[01:49:20] <Tom_itx> i like it
[01:50:23] <Tom_itx> unless you wanna go pci pcie
[01:50:31] <jdh> works with 7i47/etc?
[01:50:41] <ssi> anything 50pin
[01:50:42] <Tom_itx> i'm using a 7i47 on mine yes
[01:50:50] <jdh> I have a 7i47 and 7i39ta in there
[01:50:56] <Tom_itx> should be fine
[01:51:06] <Tom_itx> 39 is a breakout isn't it?
[01:51:10] <jdh> yeah
[01:51:15] <Tom_itx> np then
[01:51:28] <Tom_itx> cheaper and you get an extra port
[01:51:30] <jdh> anything better about it than 7i43? different?
[01:51:33] <Tom_itx> 72 io
[01:51:42] <Tom_itx> cheaper and more io :D
[01:51:57] <ssi> newer design, uses cheaper better fpgas
[01:51:57] <PetefromTn_> I'm likin my 5i25/7i77 ;)
[01:52:08] <Tom_itx> and you load the bitfile to the card
[01:52:19] <Tom_itx> so you don't need to specify it in the ini
[01:52:29] <Tom_itx> you do still need the CONFIG line
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[01:53:41] <Tom_itx> i'd suspect the 7i43 to be phased out but i'm just guessing
[01:54:20] <jdh> anyone have a pointer to a decent sized cheap ssd ?
[01:54:38] <ssi> http://amazon.com
[01:54:45] <jdh> are they all teh same?
[01:54:55] <ssi> what's your goal
[01:55:01] <Tom_itx> i've got a tiny 32g for testing
[01:55:11] <ssi> for sticking in a linuxcnc machine, cheaper the better
[01:55:15] <Tom_itx> no they're not all the same
[01:55:15] <jdh> yeah
[01:55:21] <ssi> for your primary workstation, no they're not all the same
[01:56:06] <Tom_itx> some apparently die prematurely
[01:56:10] <jdh> just linuxcnc on an oldish atom
[01:56:25] <ssi> my recommendation:
[01:56:33] <ssi> cheap SSDs, even 16 or 32g is plenty
[01:56:41] <ssi> check your configs into a git repository
[01:56:46] <ssi> consider the machine disposable
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[01:57:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/intel_atom/SSD2.jpg
[01:57:14] <Tom_itx> i got that long time ago just for testing stuff
[01:58:02] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/KINGSPEC-KSD-SA25-7-SATA--x2162-CHANE/dp/B00JYB99O4/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1446170400&sr=1-1&keywords=ssd&refinements=p_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A6797516011%2Cp_36%3A1253503011
[01:58:20] <jdh> wow... that is ugly.
[01:58:24] <ssi> :D
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[05:13:48] <XXCoder> jdh: I paid $15 something for mine
[05:14:04] <XXCoder> 16 gb. plenty of space for linuxcnc.
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[05:31:04] <MattyMatt> sata3 wouldn't get used to advantage, on any machine I run linuxcnc on :)
[05:32:23] <MattyMatt> those 4GB ide boot drives are more my style, shame they don't get much bigger
[05:32:38] <XXCoder> not sure what my hd stats are but I just use 16 gb ssd because its hella cheap
[05:33:26] <MattyMatt> it's worth it over hdd for boot speed
[05:33:49] <XXCoder> mines so cheap tat I doubt it beats regular hds
[05:34:11] <MattyMatt> oh they do. I started with a kingspec
[05:34:20] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:34:35] <MattyMatt> at reading especially, even the cheap ones are many many times faster than a hdd
[05:35:08] <MattyMatt> my pata one is fully maxing out the bus
[05:35:52] <MattyMatt> no it isn't. that one's still imaginary :p it WOULD be if I could justify them
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[05:36:16] <XXCoder> well that ssd is $20 lol
[05:37:02] <MattyMatt> not pata. if they have pata for $20 delivered, I could buy in for my obsolescent laptops
[05:37:29] <XXCoder> no sata to pata?
[05:37:44] <MattyMatt> no room in the lappy
[05:38:06] <MattyMatt> I got USB to pata, could easily get usb to sata
[05:38:34] <MattyMatt> but if I do that, I might as well buy 32GB usb sticks and boot off those
[05:38:44] <XXCoder> actually
[05:38:50] <XXCoder> ypu can create internal usb drive
[05:39:03] <XXCoder> wire a hub inside old HD space
[05:39:11] <XXCoder> then route one back to orginial port
[05:39:24] <XXCoder> hell you can add other devices meanwhile
[05:39:27] <XXCoder> like wireless mouse
[05:40:40] <MattyMatt> these old machines aren't worth that much bother. linuxcnc doesn't even see the pata port on most of them
[05:41:01] <XXCoder> laptop printer ports has huge latency
[05:41:08] <MattyMatt> and I can't find a modern distro that doesn't run like glue
[05:41:10] <XXCoder> my laptop has over 90k latenacy
[05:41:25] <XXCoder> nbot even puppy linux or damn small linux?
[05:41:51] <XXCoder> puppy linux isnt designed to be installed but run off flash drive so its good for that usb hack
[05:46:26] <MattyMatt> I've got 21 old thinkpads. so I'd like something with gnome 2 on all of them
[05:46:54] <XXCoder> I suggest xfce anything
[05:46:57] <MattyMatt> that's the easiest desktop to pass off as "just like XP" :)
[05:47:02] <XXCoder> xfce runs MUCH lighter than gnome
[05:47:07] <XXCoder> and yes can be xp-kinda
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[05:48:48] <MattyMatt> I'll leave off further attempts until I get them all wired up for netboot
[05:49:03] <MattyMatt> I need a 100A 16V bus :)
[05:49:48] <MattyMatt> or 20 dodgy chinese psu. either way, check the house insurance Momma
[05:50:01] <XXCoder> lol so whats your plan
[05:50:15] <MattyMatt> sloping shelves, 6 to a row
[05:50:53] <MattyMatt> I've got at least 2 rows with working screens
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[05:53:11] <MattyMatt> plan C. Shoot Airgun At Thinkpads for £5 stand, put money towards one modern laptop
[05:54:33] <MattyMatt> shooting a CRT was probably more visceral
[05:56:02] <Wolf_Mill> add tannerite
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[06:01:18] <XXCoder> little tnt to make it showy
[06:01:50] <Wolf_Mill> https://youtu.be/1pW-NiG0OL4 dont think you need to add anything
[06:02:15] <MattyMatt> it's firework season here, and there's chinese munition grade ones on sale at the docks here
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[07:54:39] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, Away for the weekend!
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[09:26:03] <Jymmm> Um.... What's wrong with this statement??? "Arduino Industrial Automation" lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yh7weJWYI
[09:27:34] <XXCoder> lol
[09:27:41] <XXCoder> if it works it works
[09:28:03] <Jymmm> A pet rock "works", but...
[09:28:36] <Jymmm> I bullet for a temporary fuse "works"...
[09:29:07] <XXCoder> its not clear what its used for though
[09:31:29] <Jymmm> Of course it is, you just don't understand industrial automation!
[09:31:53] <XXCoder> well it IS silent to me
[09:31:59] <XXCoder> so its not clear
[09:32:37] <Jymmm> Doesn't mater, you STILL have to wear earplugs!
[09:33:06] <XXCoder> hu?
[09:33:24] <XXCoder> I didnt see anything that would make loud noise in video?
[09:33:45] <Jymmm> Exactly
[09:34:08] <Jymmm> Here, go type something http://uniqcode.com/typewriter/
[09:34:22] <XXCoder> unless noise level would cause me to bleed from ears, what can it do? make me deaf-er?
[09:34:51] <Jymmm> ITS THE LAW, you must wear earplugs!
[09:35:25] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I still do not see where sound comes in in that video.
[09:35:29] <XXCoder> was it loud or what?
[09:35:53] <Jymmm> "2015-10-30.02:31:53 XXCoder: well it IS silent to me "
[09:37:07] <XXCoder> I meant that I cannot hear guy talking about arduno stuff
[09:37:16] <XXCoder> so I know even know what it was used for.
[09:37:44] <Jymmm> Ah... broken chinglish with heavy accent
[09:38:02] <XXCoder> did guy say what it was for?
[09:38:06] <Jymmm> nope
[09:38:27] <Jymmm> just what you say on the lcd
[09:38:30] <Jymmm> saw*
[09:38:39] <XXCoder> odd
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[09:39:03] <XXCoder> its definitely not a proof if it does not show what its used for
[09:39:04] <Jymmm> It's industrial automation, you wouldn't understand =)
[09:40:10] <XXCoder> so you researched my entire life and judged that?
[09:40:31] <Jymmm> damn right!
[09:40:37] <XXCoder> cool
[09:40:55] <XXCoder> msg drraq dang call cops now he just admitted it
[09:41:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Dude, it's sarcasim. I'm mocking the ARDUINO "Industrial"
[09:41:32] <XXCoder> I know. lol
[09:41:45] <XXCoder> well mocking part anyway
[09:41:52] <Jymmm> <rolls eyes>
[09:41:58] <XXCoder> lol
[09:43:14] <XXCoder> just read about one guy who experences constant deja vu
[09:43:20] <XXCoder> jeez bet thats a nightmare
[09:43:56] <gonzo_> wonder when that happened for the first time?
[09:44:17] <XXCoder> guy apparently have it start at 2007
[09:44:22] <XXCoder> still going on now
[09:44:46] <XXCoder> I was dizzy constantly for 9 months then often on and off for few months
[09:44:48] <gonzo_> is it possible to have deja vu for the first time?
[09:45:02] <XXCoder> I cant imange what that is like
[09:45:06] <XXCoder> yeah
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[09:56:25] <Deejay> moin
[10:31:34] <jthornton> morning
[10:32:06] <XXCoder> night
[10:35:32] <archivist> nearly elevenses
[10:35:51] <XXCoder> oops I broke reality. http://im-possible.info/images/art/sculpture/tosevite/impossible_box.jpg
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[11:01:35] <jthornton> I had to shave my mouse
[11:03:29] <XXCoder> tsk time to get new computer mouse if its growing hair or something
[11:04:28] <archivist> on an old mouse systems mouse it was a regular job to wash its felt feet
[11:04:45] <XXCoder> and its sensors for its ball
[11:06:54] <jthornton> the fuzz was so thick the optical would not read the desktop lol
[11:07:07] <archivist> mouse systems had no ball
[11:07:23] <XXCoder> lol jthornton
[11:07:42] <XXCoder> archivist: hmm that tablet thing that has special mouse?
[11:08:16] <archivist> yes was back in the early 1990's
[11:08:32] <jthornton> I kept wondering why the mouse was acting up lol
[11:08:38] <XXCoder> saw one but never used it. I usually just use male mouse
[11:08:48] <XXCoder> wonder if anyone use old male mouses now lol
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[11:12:32] <archivist> I use mice with balls
[11:13:00] <jthornton> I have a couple of boxes of mice and keyboards
[11:13:02] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1536286486/the-element-cube-62-elements-1-cube
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[11:13:20] <XXCoder> yeah dunno if guy is just shipping alum blocks or not
[11:20:51] <malcom2073_> Compressed powder
[11:21:02] <malcom2073_> They mixed 62 metal powders, compressed them into a cube
[11:21:03] <malcom2073_> profit!
[11:21:18] <malcom2073_> I love the internet
[11:21:20] <archivist> I doubt they do that much
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[11:22:05] <malcom2073_> I wonder how long it'll last before oxidization takes its toll and it falls apart
[11:22:11] <archivist> I bet they just got an analysis of aluminium bar and use that mix
[11:22:35] <malcom2073_> Then their KS page lied, and hopefully they'l get slammed for it heh
[11:22:53] <archivist> lied!
[11:23:37] <archivist> nobody lies on the internet
[11:24:04] <malcom2073_> Eh, very few fully funded kickstarters turn out to be lies
[11:24:16] <XXCoder> outright lies anyway
[11:24:27] <malcom2073_> Delivery dates aside
[11:25:17] <malcom2073_> You are all just too pessimistic :P
[11:25:20] <malcom2073_> Bunch of negative nancies
[11:25:21] <archivist> I never read to the bottom of the page originally
[11:25:53] <archivist> but I see a waste of space and money for what it is :)
[11:26:55] <malcom2073_> See, and with that kind of an attitude you'll never sell your pet rocks :P
[11:27:05] <archivist> scroll down to "who is it for", note two are dead!
[11:27:55] <malcom2073_> That's noble of them
[11:28:48] <archivist> I have too many scruples to ever con people with junk
[11:29:11] <malcom2073_> Junk to you is not junk to everyone, and it's only a con if they don't know what they're getting
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[11:29:31] <malcom2073_> If you only sell people things that are worth it to you, you'll have a limited audience of one
[11:30:38] <Wolf_> arent some of them elements radioactive?
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[11:36:27] <XXCoder> Wolf_: ultmately that dont matter if only few atoms
[11:37:33] <Wolf_> true
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[11:41:14] <Wolf_> guess next is a jar with all the know gasses in it...
[11:42:24] <XXCoder> heh that'd be fun
[11:42:35] <XXCoder> hyrogen and oxygen would combine to make water
[11:42:46] <XXCoder> water would then eat that brown gas element
[11:42:54] <XXCoder> so it would not contain that anymore
[11:43:20] <Wolf_> “Inspired by the periodic table, we present a unisex necklace, crafted from the same element powder used to press the element cubes!” How the fuck is that = “The Element Cube really is the first of its kind. Containing over 60 metals in one cube, this is truly the largest alloy in the world”
[11:43:30] <XXCoder> that one must be carefully sealed because if there is even one water paracle it will SLOOOWLY eat all of that gas
[11:43:39] <XXCoder> turns it into another element
[11:44:41] <gonzo_> "Inspired by the possability of getting free money from stupid people......
[11:45:52] <XXCoder> hmm may have misremembered
[11:46:21] <Wolf_> those parts… “element powder used to press the element cubes!” = “is truly the largest alloy in the world”
[11:46:35] <Wolf_> doesn’t sound right to me
[11:46:51] <gonzo_> press does not sounds like an alloy
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[11:48:01] <Wolf_> to me it looks like a chunk of brushed stainless
[11:49:04] <XXCoder> it [probably is.
[12:01:28] <archivist> why are the customers so gullible
[12:03:01] <jthornton> damn the sample sim configs are so confusing now I give up trying to even look at them
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[12:15:17] <jthornton> 0x in front of a number usually means it's an octal number?
[12:16:58] <XXCoder> hex
[12:17:08] <XXCoder> 0xdeadbeef
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[12:19:52] <gonzo_> 0nnnn can mean octal
[12:20:12] <archivist> 0777 all teh permissions
[12:20:26] <gonzo_> a bugger if you put leading zero on a value in a prog
[12:20:34] <jthornton> dang its cold this morning
[12:20:41] <jthornton> 34f
[12:21:46] <jthornton> thanks
[12:21:49] <gonzo_> zip your flies up if you are getting a cxold dang!
[12:29:31] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: take stainless powder, and add 1ppm of other elements. Now either hot isostatic press, or melt, for something that meets the claims
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[13:25:09] <Jymmm> jthornton: "damn the sample sim configs are so confusing now..." How so?
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[13:46:08] <justanotheruser> I want so bad http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_1100.html
[13:46:22] <justanotheruser> they even have a spooky logo for halloween
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[14:03:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: Well, if you consider the "build-your-own", source components (ebay, etc), cabling, connectors, components, (all the nickel-and-dime stuff that REALLY adds up in the end), The price really isn't that bad at all... http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=PCNC1100_Packages_ATC
[14:03:49] <malcom2073_> Oh no I agree, if I had the money I would've likely bought one of those. A buddy of mine has one and likes it for home use
[14:04:46] <Jymmm> Hel, even includes a compressor
[14:05:06] <malcom2073_> For the low low price of $22k
[14:05:26] <Jymmm> No, it was included in that $8K price
[14:05:34] <malcom2073_> double check that
[14:05:37] <malcom2073_> Hit add to cart
[14:05:55] <malcom2073_> The base machine is 8k, all the extras are a lot more
[14:06:06] <Jymmm> Ah damn, they be messin with me
[14:06:20] <Jymmm> ok, nm. I take it all back
[14:06:28] <malcom2073_> I still would've gotten one if I had the money
[14:06:30] <Jymmm> THOSE BASTARDS!!!
[14:06:32] <malcom2073_> But alas, I'm not rich
[14:06:41] <malcom2073_> I'm stick with my rusting beast.
[14:06:44] <malcom2073_> stuck*
[14:06:51] <Jymmm> add vinegar
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[14:30:24] <CaptHindsight> at least they don't make you buy a custom power cord for $1700
[14:31:10] * SpeedEvil imagines a $1700 powerchord.
[14:31:44] <CaptHindsight> just like most other power cords just with a custom pinout
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[14:39:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You mean ship the EU cords to the US, and the US cords to EU intentionally =)
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[14:47:54] <jthornton> Jymmm, take a look and try to modify one
[14:48:07] <CaptHindsight> that would be too simple
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[14:56:31] <JT-Shop> well my circuit board for the Genie is out for delivery, we shall soon see if I wasted $50 or not
[14:57:07] <ssi> genie?
[14:57:09] <ssi> garage door opener?
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[14:59:13] <Jymmm> ssi: In a bottle sily!
[14:59:34] <ssi> ohhh
[14:59:34] <ssi> :P
[14:59:53] <ssi> in taht case, jt probably wasted his fitty bux
[15:00:39] <Jymmm> Nah, he gets three wishes
[15:09:46] <JT-Shop> yea
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[15:19:45] <zeeshan|2> where do all the japanese people hang out
[15:19:46] <zeeshan|2> :{
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[15:20:40] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I've seen lots of them in Tokyo :)
[15:21:35] <archivist> I see the local Toymotor workers in the supermarket
[15:21:41] <zeeshan|2> the irc ones :)
[15:21:59] <justanotheruser> Jymmm: I'll get one used for $3.50
[15:23:24] <JT-Shop> ssi, is there any way to have a go import from any place?
[15:23:50] <CaptHindsight> maybe ##japanese but I could be wrong
[15:25:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/ seems to be a learn Japanese channel
[15:29:01] <ssi> JT-Shop: I don't understand the question
[15:34:28] <Wolf_> what you need zeeshan|2
[15:36:55] <Wolf_> you could go to #multiwii and ask dongs, but he can be a ass sometimes
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[15:52:43] <ssi> zeeshan|2: moar! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSk2LekXAAAt-jJ.jpg:large
[15:53:02] <ssi> the inch set is pristine, the metric set is actually a flank drive plus set (SOEX), but they're a lot more used and dirty
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[15:53:23] <ssi> there's rust in all the heads
[15:53:30] <ssi> but it seems to be rust from fasteners, and it wipes off the chrome
[15:54:39] <anomynous> New measuring instruments company Mitätoyo? = What is that? Or mispelled How much is it?
[15:55:51] <Wolf_> http://www.mitutoyo.com/ ?
[15:56:10] <archivist> a namealike cheap copy I bet
[15:56:32] <anomynous> a joke. Mitä toi on? is what is that in finnish. And it sounds almost like mitutoyo
[15:57:29] <Wolf_> oh, I only do english and poor japanese :)
[15:57:53] <anomynous> it was funny when i heard it. It's a shame i cant tell you it in english ;)
[15:58:05] <CaptHindsight> Kert vise, Starat micrometer, Funuc controller....
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[15:58:31] <ssi> yeah, as in funuck it, I'm ripping it out and putting something else in
[15:59:13] <CaptHindsight> Meanwell power supply we just don't Do well
[15:59:18] <ssi> :D
[16:07:06] <zeeshan|2> wolf i need a wiring manual
[16:07:20] <zeeshan|2> soemone who is japanese will have an easier time finding it
[16:07:28] <zeeshan|2> ssi nice
[16:07:54] <zeeshan|2> wolf is that timecop? :)
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[16:44:28] <CaptHindsight> so what's everyone doing for Halloween?
[16:45:19] <jdh> fixing my mill computer
[16:46:26] <archivist> I just moved a generator, heavy lump
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[17:07:36] <anomynous> when is halloween
[17:07:47] <renesis> tomorrow
[17:12:06] <mutilator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTP-BuaZ8w it's too bad it was a pumpkin and not a giant kool-aide man
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[17:31:55] <anomynous> what kind of clearence should be used for a punch tool
[17:34:02] <archivist> depends what you are cutting and its thickness
[17:34:51] <Loetmichel2> anomynous: depends on what you want to punch
[17:35:30] <Loetmichel2> usually its less than half the sheet thickness for metals
[17:35:40] <anomynous> wow
[17:35:42] <anomynous> thats a lot
[17:35:42] <Loetmichel2> and even less for paper and stuff
[17:35:51] <Loetmichel2> at maximum
[17:36:35] <anomynous> lets say for 1,5mm mild or stainless steel
[17:36:37] <anomynous> ;D
[17:36:47] <Loetmichel2> i think i would use 0,2mm clearance
[17:37:01] <anomynous> from where to where you consider
[17:37:02] <anomynous> would work
[17:37:09] <Loetmichel2> but if you cant do taht because of "non-rigid" press you can get awyy with 0,8mm
[17:37:28] <Loetmichel2> clearance between punch and die
[17:37:45] <anomynous> sure. I think i have sturdy enough press
[17:37:57] <archivist> if the punch is not symetric then there will be side forces and different clearance needs
[17:38:00] <Loetmichel2> so the hole in the die is max. 1,5mm bigger than the diameter of the punch
[17:38:04] <Loetmichel2> (if a circle)
[17:38:18] <anomynous> umm archivist what do you mean
[17:38:39] <Loetmichel2> the punch will "tilt" if its not symmetric on all axis
[17:38:41] <archivist> eg a louvre punch and die
[17:38:47] <anomynous> actually i wanted to make a flower, a leaf or something... maybe like press it into form and then have it cut off ;D
[17:38:53] <Loetmichel2> because one side has more "cutting forces" than the other
[17:39:55] <archivist> but if stretching the material things change again
[17:40:16] <Loetmichel2> you do know that for 1,5mm stanless steel you'll need a press that can excert 20++ tons for a 100mm diameter punch?
[17:40:17] <anomynous> so i need to guide the punch
[17:40:27] <Loetmichel2> or something in that ballpark
[17:40:38] <archivist> all depends on the parts
[17:40:46] <anomynous> no i didnt. I'm not sure how much the press operates, but probably can do that
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[17:42:12] <anomynous> its some electric motor press, and oil gets hot after a while. It must be STONG!
[17:42:21] <Loetmichel2> hrhr
[17:42:24] <anomynous> ;D
[17:42:52] <archivist> sometimes the die set needs to be clamped(often springs) to allow the draw to work properly
[17:42:57] <Loetmichel2> you can get a steel bar to red hot... juwt with a hammer and an anvil
[17:42:59] <Loetmichel2> BTDT
[17:43:04] <Loetmichel2> just
[17:43:41] <Loetmichel2> so the oil getting hot is no indication of high forces
[17:43:50] <Loetmichel2> big hydraulig rams would be ;)
[17:43:55] <Loetmichel2> hydraulic
[17:44:05] <anomynous> archivist: i was thinking of loading the form tool with springs, and after it would come the punch from outside
[17:44:50] <anomynous> i wonder if i can find good enough springs ;D
[17:45:17] <archivist> I used a couple of clamps for my experiments (not in picture) http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_11_Smart_Brown_Press_repaired/IMG_1672.JPG
[17:45:44] <archivist> produces the domed part
[17:45:47] <anomynous> i have to go to sleep the kids
[17:45:49] <anomynous> thanks
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[18:05:54] <Jymmm> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViSAhGnEAKY
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[18:10:58] <Jymmm> anomynous: "sleep the kids" <-- That sounds like the making of a horror film
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[18:23:04] <pcw_home> idioms don't translate well
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[18:25:08] <robin_sz> so, I have tried hooking up my pendant, which works perfectly in the sim, but causes errors in my .ini
[18:28:25] <robin_sz> I get : www.pastebin.ca/3226970
[18:29:33] <robin_sz> I already commented out some lines like spindle = halui.spindle.start as it didnt like that
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[18:34:57] <robin_sz> Pin 'motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs' was already linked to signal 'spindle-vel-cmd-rps-abs'
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[18:43:07] <JT-Shop> lol I finally got my github sorted out I think
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[18:53:21] <FinboySlick> ssi: Your iMac looks a bit dirty.
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[19:06:55] <robin_sz> so anyone have any ideas about how ot get this pendant tointegrate?
[19:07:03] <robin_sz> www.pastebin.ca/3226970
[19:07:28] <robin_sz> I can paste the expanded ini if it helps
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[19:10:19] <Guest96468> http://pastebin.ca/3227039
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[19:11:06] <robin_sz> the xhc works perfectly in sim, just connecting it up to my working .ini seems not
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[19:18:31] <ssi> FinboySlick: it's a bit dirty
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[19:34:04] <millfist> Hi Question i got a mesa 5i25 and if i put the PCI-card into a pci Slot 'PCI Slots (32Bit, 33 MHz, Rev. 2.3) ' of a pc the Computer does not boot up anymare
[19:34:35] <millfist> Do i need to set a IRQ in Bios
[19:34:52] <cradek> are you sure it's in the slot correctly?
[19:35:12] <millfist> i think so i checked more then ones
[19:35:18] <cradek> a lot of cases aren't very good at lining up the cards into the slots
[19:35:39] <millfist> agree
[19:36:06] <millfist> im gone check this takes one minutes
[19:43:38] <millfist> Thanks cradek it has been the steel Frame that Pushed it ofside
[19:44:00] <millfist> BYE
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[19:44:34] <cradek> hm, hope s/he didn't damage it
[19:45:01] * robin_sz scratches his head
[19:45:11] <robin_sz> not getting anywhere with this pendant ...
[19:46:14] <jdh> a pedant pendant
[19:46:20] <robin_sz> indeed
[19:46:44] <robin_sz> its annoying that it works so perfectly in sim
[19:48:41] <PCW> pulling out PCI cards live (especially at an angle) is not good because of the +12V and -12V
[19:49:47] <robin_sz> you could simply say "pulling out PCI cards live is not good" .. why would anyone do that?
[19:50:59] <PCW> Sometimes a mistake, sometimes system is soft powered down by removing card trips /WAKE
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[19:54:25] <PCW> (which is why you really should pull the PS plug when changing cards)
[19:59:11] <SpeedEvil> I've hotplugged an ISA soundcard, system rebooted and came back up and recognised it.
[19:59:20] <SpeedEvil> not recommended :)
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[20:05:38] <robin_sz> so, is my problem likely to stem from trying to use a 2.7.1 based xhc-4 pendant file with config created with a 2.6.x versionof pncconf?
[20:06:29] <robin_sz> I tried re-running pncconf in 2.7 to regeneerate the config, but it crashed
[20:07:43] <robin_sz> it runs fine as a config with 2.7.1 ... until I add the xhc04 stuff
[20:10:57] <andypugh> robin_sz: Do you have the MDI_COMMAND= lines in the INI?
[20:11:47] <robin_sz> some. I copied the stuff out of the demo sim sample that worked fine in the sample and #INCLUDEd it into my config
[20:12:02] <andypugh> My DN2800MT no longer shuts down. It says it is going to halt, and then it re-starts
[20:12:24] <andypugh> That;s the cause of the “xhc-hb04.tcl: !!! <halui.mdi-command-14> target pin does not exist, continuing” tuffs
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[20:12:43] <robin_sz> yes, but it survives those
[20:13:14] <robin_sz> its the cant connect to this pin cos its already connected to something else
[20:13:32] <robin_sz> thats killing it
[20:13:35] <andypugh> Ah, I wasn’t understanding the extent of the non-working-ness?
[20:13:46] <robin_sz> crashes out
[20:14:21] <robin_sz> line 53 of the paste
[20:14:24] <andypugh> I see
[20:14:31] <andypugh> Well, that’s an easy fix
[20:14:45] <robin_sz> good, cos its doing my head in :)
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[20:15:29] <andypugh> replace net pendant:spindle-rps…..
[20:15:49] <robin_sz> uh huh ..
[20:15:54] <andypugh> with net spindle-vel-cmd-rps-abs => xhc-hb04.spindle-rps
[20:17:08] <robin_sz> there is just one tiny weeny problem with this
[20:17:30] <robin_sz> I dont have a that hal line in any of my conf files
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[20:18:44] <robin_sz> grep "pendant:spindle" * produces no hits
[20:19:29] <andypugh> Ah, that’s awkward
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[20:19:48] <andypugh> I suspect a Dewy Patent Tcl hal file
[20:20:03] <robin_sz> basically I tried the xhc04 demo sim thing, perfect
[20:20:20] <andypugh> In that case, replace spindle-vel-cmd-rps-abs with pendant:spindle-rps
[20:20:20] <robin_sz> I grabbed the layout and the ini and dropped them into my conf dir
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[20:21:52] <andypugh> Are you actually using motion.spindle-speed-rps-abs anywhere? Perhaps you can just comment it out in the other place and let XHC have it.
[20:22:57] <robin_sz> umm ... will I still be able to grab at it from the GUI to change rates?
[20:24:01] <robin_sz> I was kinda hoping to use pendant and/or GUI to fiddle with stuff
[20:24:45] <robin_sz> OK, I commented it out and it at least loads up without error now
[20:24:58] <robin_sz> almost tempted to drive back to factory to see if it works
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[20:26:13] <robin_sz> there was another line I commented out in the XHC stuff ... half = halui.spindle.stop
[20:26:39] <dgarr> robin_sz: if you post your complete config ini and all hal files i can probably tell you what to do
[20:27:19] <robin_sz> andypugh's "comment out that line" at least let it load
[20:27:48] <robin_sz> where shoudl I post ?
[20:27:52] <robin_sz> pastebin?
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[20:29:03] <dgarr> make a complete tar file of the entire config dir and the terminal messages that show the error
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[20:35:14] <robin_sz> right ... and then?
[20:37:20] <dgarr> post it somewhere where i can study it
[20:37:32] <dgarr> or download it to study
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[20:40:00] <robin_sz> ok, give me a minute
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[20:46:53] <robin_remote> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppc0tvsh0f64w2l/Vytek_xhc.tar.gz?dl=0
[20:47:04] <robin_sz> there you go
[20:47:20] <robin_sz> Mr Pughs commenting out fixed the spindle rpm error
[20:47:31] <andypugh> <ahem>!
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[20:47:58] <robin_sz> for which I offer the usual tokens of appreciation
[20:48:27] <robin_sz> the spindly stop r problem remains
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[21:06:49] <dgarr> robin_sz: http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/robin_sz.txt
[21:08:56] <andypugh> robin_sz has gone to the factory
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[21:23:04] <robin_remote> at factory now :)
[21:23:44] <JT-Shop> <dgarr> robin_sz: http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/robin_sz.txt
[21:23:57] <JT-Shop> you might have missed dgarr's reply
[21:24:26] <robin_remote> I have it.
[21:24:34] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flosstime/flosstime-worlds-first-smart-floss-dispenser?ref=popular firstworldproblems
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[21:35:48] <robin_remote> hmmm
[21:36:11] <robin_remote> with the xhc include fikles removed ... it moves normally and homes normally
[21:36:43] <robin_remote> with the xhc files included, it moves sluggishly and then homes oddly, frequently exceeding the softlimits
[21:37:10] <robin_remote> hashtag notgood
[21:37:51] <robin_remote> SpeedEvil, I tried floss, not a fan of it to be honest, made me very sore
[21:38:18] <robin_remote> I prefer good old soft paper.
[21:38:45] <robin_remote> ;)
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[21:39:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[21:43:04] <robin_remote> it seems ... with the XHC files included, the accellerations of the X and Y axes are messed up ... really really low .. off the handwheel it is relly sluggish
[21:47:34] <andypugh> Is it using ilowpass?
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[21:50:28] <dgarr> robin_remote: you probably should not use the option for mpg_accels and APP = xhc-hb04-accels if you don't understand the consequences
[21:50:38] <dgarr> see some explanation http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=260#63306
[21:51:18] <dgarr> and comments on overtravel here http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=260#63338
[21:53:33] <dgarr> copying accels values from a sim to a real machine can have consequences
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[21:55:06] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/raWM2uv 'I can't be bothered to do all that woodwork'
[21:57:20] <dgarr> robin_remote: mpg_accels = 1 2 2 200 (optional: reduced accelerations for all manual mode jogging) ref: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=configs/sim/axis/xhc-hb04/README;h=5565c26bb0863b31ba0ae37ef581ac13eef8a562;hb=HEAD
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[21:59:39] <dgarr> your ini has accels 400,400,100 and mpg_accels 1 2 20 so yes, they are quite a bit lower for manual jogging and homing
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[22:06:50] <robin_remote> ok working .. thnaks fellas
[22:07:17] <robin_remote> that accel line is weird ... it seems to be accels in x y and z
[22:07:28] <robin_remote> im assuming in mm / s^2
[22:07:45] <robin_remote> just weird to have hardware related figure in there
[22:08:00] <robin_remote> percentage of regualr accel I could understand
[22:08:22] <robin_remote> I think I have some tuning to do on x axis servo though, its a little jerky
[22:08:25] <dgarr> hate to say read the manual but the README says (in machine_units/sec/sec like [AXIS_n]MAX_ACCELERATION)
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[22:08:53] <robin_remote> yes, just weird
[22:09:02] <robin_remote> why does it mess up homing?
[22:09:17] <dgarr> read this http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=260#63338
[22:10:00] <robin_remote> i'd accidentally got some low figures in there from an @inch@ version of the file, and it screwed up homing completely, which was weird
[22:10:15] <dgarr> distance = 0.5 * (velocity)**2 / (acceleration)
[22:10:57] <robin_remote> yep
[22:11:23] <robin_remote> im just kinda confused why a reduced accel for the handwheel would get involved in the homing
[22:11:32] <robin_remote> but meh, im easily confused
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[22:12:20] <robin_remote> overall though, its is awesome thnaks dgarr :)
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[22:12:52] <robin_remote> there is somethign really REALLY neat about seeing a 200kg gantry move from a handwheel .. wirelessly across the workshop :)
[22:13:25] <dgarr> It is probably better to start without using the mpg_accels feature and then try it only if the machine is too jerky with the jogwheel
[22:14:00] <robin_remote> yeah, its weird .. the X axis if you spin the wheel accels gently to a high speed and then slowly decels ..
[22:14:25] <robin_remote> but if i turn it slowly, it kind jerks and grinds .. I can see it overshoot and wobble
[22:14:32] <robin_remote> on each step
[22:15:10] <robin_remote> its like I know it could accel faster than that and stop faster than that on big moves
[22:15:18] <robin_remote> but its kinds jerky on small moves
[22:15:19] <dgarr> use halscope, example http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=240
[22:17:03] <robin_remote> interesting
[22:17:26] <robin_remote> I think, I will try that 2mrw, as it is gone 11pm here
[22:17:55] <robin_remote> dgarr, thanks for your work on this, really, it is great
[22:18:17] <robin_remote> very impressed
[22:21:11] <Tom_itx> it is friday though
[22:21:53] <Tom_itx> i like the mpg accels feature quite a bit
[22:22:15] <robin_remote> yeah, it smoothed out my X axis a littler
[22:22:32] <robin_remote> im assuming it has no effect on planned motion
[22:22:59] <dgarr> yes, it should not alter planned motion
[22:24:11] <robin_remote> out of interest, might it not be better as a fraction of axis acceleration, so 100 say is @normal@ accel, 50 is half the regualr accel etc? thus decoupling the user interface from hardware values?
[22:24:20] <robin_remote> just asking ...
[22:25:11] <dgarr> it might be, but try to tell everyone to change their configs now (eg, too late for a better idea i think)
[22:25:30] <robin_remote> fair point :)
[22:25:45] <robin_remote> anyway, I can go home happy now, htnaks for the asistance
[22:25:47] <Tom_itx> it seems to buffer the mpg counts so on a coarse mpg setting it will travel after the mpg stops if you spin it
[22:27:49] <dgarr> Tom_itx: that is probably related to jog-vel-mode (man motion) there is an option for jogmode=normal or vnormal you could experiment with vnormal
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[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> i don't normally do that but felt it should be tested
[22:29:27] <dgarr> normal: postion mode, the axis will move exactly regardless of how long it takes. Beware: the machine may keep moving after you stop rotating the jog wheel.
[22:29:51] <dgarr> vnormal: velocity mode, the axis will stop when the wheel stops. Beware: the amount moved per wheel detent may be less than specified if the machine velocity and acceleration cannot accomplish the move in time.
[22:30:11] <dgarr> ref: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=configs/sim/axis/xhc-hb04/README;h=5565c26bb0863b31ba0ae37ef581ac13eef8a562;hb=HEAD
[22:30:13] <Tom_itx> right
[22:30:48] <Tom_itx> if you spin it chances are good you wouldn't know how far it should go anyway
[22:32:33] <dgarr> There are a lot of choices or tradeoffs to use it but overall it seems to work ok for a usb device and the price is right
[22:32:42] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:38:06] <Tom_itx> dgarr, looks like axis.n.jog-vel-mode would be on a per axis basis
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[22:44:23] <dgarr> it is per axis in motion but the xhc-hb04.tcl script assumes you want them all the same. it is easy to customize because the script sets the pin (setp) but does not connect the pin to a signal.
[22:44:56] <dgarr> so in an ini (after xhc-hb04.tcl) you can put HALCMD=setp axis.n.jog-vel-mode=0|1 for any axis
[22:46:11] <dgarr> you could also use [APPLICATION]APP=sim_pin axis.0.jog-vel-mode axis.1.jog-vel-mode to have a simple gui to experiment with
[22:46:39] <Tom_itx> i've got it wired to my mpg already
[22:46:47] <Tom_itx> liking it just fine :)
[22:47:28] <Tom_itx> i wasn't aware of that setting though, i may test it out but i think i like it the way i have it set
[22:47:51] <Tom_itx> i'm not moving tons of iron.. it's a sherline
[22:53:12] <robin_remote> vnormal seems better to me, and I am moving iron :)
[22:53:21] <robin_remote> right, going home
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[23:09:44] <robin_sz> and back home
[23:11:34] <robin_sz> I can see I will have to play with tuning the X axis. the other axes seem OK, but X needs some attention
[23:17:53] <andypugh> Slow wheel jogs are a step-input sp can cause problems. A fast wheel jog takes the target point far enough away that the system is doing a move, not a move then stop then move.
[23:18:37] <robin_sz> its weird that the slow jog seems to have more accel than the fast jog
[23:19:00] <robin_sz> its not moving that fast on a spin, and it takes like 2 seconds to accel
[23:19:03] <robin_sz> 2 to decel
[23:19:23] <robin_sz> its a visible slow accel
[23:19:43] <robin_sz> but on step jogs, it shakes the gantry
[23:20:41] <robin_sz> it seems to have like .. I dunno 1ms^-2 on small steps
[23:20:53] <robin_sz> and 0.001 on big moves
[23:21:31] <robin_sz> rapids are 20m a minute I think on that machine
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