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[00:29:14] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2015/jul/21/video-video-salute-years-brave-quadiators/ just in case I needed a reminder that this area is full of rednecks, not hippies. :)
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[00:33:37] <furrywolf> hrmm, that reminds me, I think the auto show and tractor pull is coming up soon... always a good swapmeet next to it.
[00:33:53] * SpeedEvil is reminded of people with four arms livving in space.
[00:34:37] <furrywolf> ?
[00:36:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.webscription.net/p-108-diplomatic-immunity.aspx
[00:36:26] <SpeedEvil> quaddie
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[00:39:52] * furrywolf bets in tn they skip the helmets. and the balloons.
[00:43:20] <PetefromTn_> ?
[00:44:13] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2015/jul/21/video-video-salute-years-brave-quadiators/ just in case I needed a reminder that this area is full of rednecks, not hippies. :)
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[01:09:56] <Valen> what is the name for the coupling where you link a ballscrew to an axis but it doesn't couple things like the angle of the screw to the axis
[01:11:02] <PetefromTn_> you mean a lovejoy?
[01:11:28] <Valen> doesn't look like it
[01:11:36] <PetefromTn_> helical?
[01:11:40] <Valen> sorry I should say its how you attach the ball nut
[01:11:43] <cradek> I think in general they are called flex couplings
[01:11:52] <cradek> oh the nut? I don't know
[01:11:58] <PetefromTn_> ballnut mount?
[01:12:01] <PetefromTn_> flange mount
[01:12:14] <Valen> to the axis, but it only couples motion along the axis, any other errors of the screw aren't coupled into the axis
[01:12:37] <PetefromTn_> preloaded mount?
[01:12:57] <Valen> so the nut is free to wobble say on X and Y but it'll only move along Z
[01:13:09] <archivist> "any other errors of the screw aren't coupled into the axis" hardly possible
[01:13:35] <PetefromTn_> no idea what you are talking about man
[01:14:24] <furrywolf> sounds like some form of gimbal, but I've never seen such a device used for such a purpose.
[01:14:39] <furrywolf> the normal solution is to make sure your screws and your ways are parallel. :P
[01:14:53] <Valen> heh, always easy to say ;->
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[01:15:27] <furrywolf> if it were a bearing, that would be self-aligning, but again, never seen it used for that...
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[01:19:58] <archivist> even if the nut is allowed to move sideways to accommodate a bend in the screw that gives a larger distance error due to the arc from the controlled end of the screw
[01:20:35] <archivist> keeping the nut central reduces the error in that case
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[01:29:00] <furrywolf> I still have a slight wobble in my X screw, but it's so slight it's taken up in the mount with no problems
[01:30:17] * SpeedEvil passes furrywolf a hammer.
[01:30:53] <SpeedEvil> you can often straighten shafts by stroking them in the right place
[01:31:22] <furrywolf> I spent a good bit of time with the oxytorch and a hammer to get it straight.
[01:31:33] <furrywolf> got it to within "good enough" inches. :)
[01:31:33] <PetefromTn_> SpeedEvil ROFL
[01:31:53] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about rotary
[01:32:15] <SpeedEvil> - draw the shaft through while _just_ causing it to yield to reduce stress
[01:32:16] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bentleadscrew01.jpg started like that. got it within a few thousandths.
[01:32:50] <SpeedEvil> nice
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[01:36:23] <Valen> wow
[01:36:34] <Valen> what happened to it?
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[01:39:08] <furrywolf> Valen: machine got knocked over by a forklift
[01:39:26] <Valen> I bet that made an expensive sounding noise
[01:39:53] <archivist> look at vids on youtube for delicate straightening, use a press that has good control
[01:41:35] <furrywolf> Valen: dunno, it was two owners before I got it. heh.
[01:41:50] <furrywolf> archivist: I used a hammer. the most delicate tool ever made. :P
[01:42:09] <Valen> I guess you didn't have much to lose
[01:42:52] <PetefromTn_> should be able to pop it in a lathe and tweak it in pretty damn close....
[01:42:57] <archivist> furrywolf, I had fun with a customers clock dial, did not take pics though
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[01:44:27] <furrywolf> I got it pretty damn close already. it works. it's all assembled and makes chips now.
[01:44:29] <archivist> http://www.repairengineering.com/shaft-straightening.html
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[01:45:49] <furrywolf> this is no longer a current project.
[01:46:34] <archivist> not for you but I think valen needs to do something
[01:47:48] <Valen> I was just curious about it was all, I remember reading something about it on super duper precision mills
[01:52:50] * furrywolf would figure such mills use precision in their assembley, and wouldn't need such things
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[02:06:35] <zeeshan> when a motor rotates back and forth
[02:06:37] <zeeshan> a tiny amount
[02:06:40] <zeeshan> this is called servo hunting right?
[02:06:52] <malcom2073> If said motor is a servo, sure
[02:07:04] <zeeshan> what causes it
[02:07:12] <malcom2073> badly tuned pid, I forget which part
[02:07:15] <zeeshan> looks like cleaning the glass scale helped
[02:07:25] <zeeshan> hmm badly tuned pid..
[02:07:28] <zeeshan> i tuned this so nice though!
[02:10:11] * zeeshan retunes the axis
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[02:12:23] <Valen> you want to look at your deadband too
[02:12:51] <Valen> you can get stick/slip fun times if you have an integral term with no deadband
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[02:14:18] <Valen> zeeshan ^
[02:17:00] <MacGyverX> Anyone familiar with the DDMMV2.1? And would it work with LinuxCNC?
[02:28:36] <zeeshan> there is no I.
[02:28:41] <zeeshan> just ff1 and P
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[02:48:09] <zeeshan-mill> it wasnt the tune
[02:48:18] <zeeshan-mill> it was the offset pot on the servo drive
[02:49:45] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[02:49:51] <zeeshan-mill> nm its back =/
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[02:51:18] <trentster> Howdy all, is it best practice to use thick plates for Z axis, specifically for the part the rails attach to? e.g. I understand for the gantry sides thicker and more rigid the better, but for Z plates does it make a difference using e.g. 10mm thick vs 15mm thick flat bar stock?
[02:51:27] <trentster> its is just going to make it heavier
[02:53:38] <zeeshan-mill> do the calculations?
[02:53:41] <Roguish> trentster: stiffness is key. if you are concerned about the weight, try tubing (square, rectangular, round......)
[02:54:03] <zeeshan-mill> its hard to help without seeing your design
[02:54:07] <zeeshan-mill> and knowing the geomtry
[02:54:10] <trentster> Roguish: I am not talking about the gantry side plates - right?
[02:54:19] <Roguish> or things like I-beams.
[02:54:42] <Roguish> trentster: I am talking about everything, everywhere.
[02:55:26] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/sLxh83DTAUADmKMt5FMAqp6RUEtRlX
[02:55:31] <Roguish> simple equation.......... deflection = force X stiffness
[02:55:43] <trentster> Roguish: this is what I currently have http://monosnap.com/image/sLxh83DTAUADmKMt5FMAqp6RUEtRlX
[02:56:18] <trentster> I have just purchased these http://monosnap.com/image/ZQqcMkz3YLA8MQHf3oSfNJpa3LF4xw to remake the z axis which means I will have to buy new aluminium stock.
[02:56:30] <trentster> what is currently there is 12mm and its pretty heavy
[02:56:36] <Roguish> r u talking about the vertical plates holding the cross-slide in the air?
[02:56:44] <zeeshan-mill> Roguish, thats doesnt work for beams
[02:58:33] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/ITkhiB8.png
[02:58:36] <zeeshan-mill> is this noise ?
[02:58:43] <zeeshan-mill> thats causing my servo to act funky
[02:58:55] <trentster> Roguish: I am talking about this http://monosnap.com/image/mQrIfFcFMUzFH1yqIgFZWf1jnEXLT6
[03:00:06] <Roguish> ah, ok. that plate mounts to the bearing blocks, right? and is a mount for the spndle?
[03:00:29] <trentster> Roguish: yup exactly
[03:00:55] <Roguish> so, it could probably be lighter. maybe thinnner, and even carved away in the middle some.
[03:01:58] <Roguish> how many bearing blocks? 2 top and 2 bottom?
[03:02:26] <Roguish> like on the cross axis?
[03:03:24] <trentster> yeah 2top and 2 bottom
[03:03:46] <trentster> will be using those SCHNEEBERGER's in the photo above
[03:04:01] <trentster> which should be a ton stiffer and better than supported chinese rail I have there.
[03:05:04] <Roguish> schneenberger are good, no doubt, and $$$
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[03:05:26] <Roguish> some even have built in linear scales.
[03:05:47] <trentster> yeah I had never heard of them before, but they look like good stuff.
[03:06:23] <trentster> yeah they have rails with encoder lines built into the rails and intelligence in the blocks
[03:06:29] <MacGyverX> Anyone familiar with the DDMMV2?
[03:06:40] <trentster> but that is for cpu fabrication really for nano scale accuracy
[03:11:20] <pcw_home> zeeshan-mill: looks like normal encoder dithering, what is your scale resolution? ( and units? )
[03:11:31] <CaptHindsight> MacGyverX: http://www.goodluckbuy.com/parallel-mach3-6-axis-interface-board-ddmmv2-1-w-usb-expansion-port.html this one??
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[03:13:49] <zeeshan-mill> pcw_home, hmm
[03:14:04] <CaptHindsight> MacGyverX: the USB portion won't without some work and not in real time
[03:14:05] <MacGyverX> yup
[03:14:31] <zeeshan-mill> encoder_scale is set to 25400
[03:14:40] <MacGyverX> Okay.
[03:14:41] <CaptHindsight> looks like nobody has tried it, there are LPT breakout boards for less than half that price
[03:14:41] <trentster> Roguish: you said carved away in the middle somewhat? really? I have never seen anyone do that for Zaxis plates
[03:14:55] <zeeshan-mill> machine units are set to inches
[03:14:56] <MacGyverX> I got mine for 20 bucks.
[03:15:04] <MacGyverX> :/
[03:15:11] <zeeshan-mill> pcw_home, only Y axis does this
[03:17:32] <pcw_home> at 25400 counts/inch you might expect 40 or 80 uinch dither but thats 400 uinch
[03:18:18] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[03:18:21] <pcw_home> Possibly bad /dirty encoder or EXE box?
[03:18:30] <zeeshan-mill> i cleaned up the encoder scale
[03:18:32] <zeeshan-mill> its not losing position now
[03:18:36] <zeeshan-mill> which is good!
[03:18:59] <zeeshan-mill> im using the idp101 boards
[03:20:20] <pcw_home> try running halscope at 5 ms/div and looking at the edges
[03:21:05] <pcw_home> looks to me like interpolation is not working well
[03:22:25] <Valen> trentster: if you want to make it stiffer put some bits sticking "out" from the plate if you will
[03:23:31] <zeeshan-mill> looks like square waves for analogout1
[03:23:40] <trentster> Valen: bit sticking out from the plate - like 1/4 endmills :P
[03:23:55] <zeeshan-mill> let me look at encoder counts
[03:24:56] <zeeshan-mill> jumps between
[03:25:09] <zeeshan-mill> 14777 and 14786
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[03:28:37] <valen00> Doh blackout :-(
[03:28:58] <valen00> As I was saying make a C section or box it in
[03:29:09] <pcw_home> are there anything like sine/cosine gain pots on the read head?
[03:29:18] <valen00> Do you have the stiffness spec on those rails?
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[03:30:56] <valen00> Also just as a sanity check what sort of cutting force should I be using for my calculations for a finish pass with a 6mm cutter in steel? Just a ballpark to see if I'm somewhere close
[03:30:59] <zeeshan-mill> no pcw
[03:41:16] <zeeshan-mill> ugh its losing position again
[03:42:36] <zeeshan-mill> wtf!!
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[04:21:25] <CaptHindsight> does it only lose position in that one area of the scale or over random areas of the scale?
[04:21:39] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan-mill: ^^
[04:22:45] <zeeshan-mill> if i jog every 50 thou
[04:22:59] <zeeshan-mill> it ownt lose position at 0, but loses at 50
[04:23:05] <zeeshan-mill> then will be okay at 100, but loses at 150
[04:23:06] <zeeshan-mill> etc
[04:23:18] <zeeshan-mill> i think that is just a fluke that its happening like that
[04:25:59] <CaptHindsight> scratched or damaged scales will of course have odd behaviors when passing over the bad spots
[04:26:54] <zeeshan-mill> i guess only way to fid out
[04:26:56] <zeeshan-mill> is put an scope on it?
[04:27:13] <CaptHindsight> if it happens randomly over previously good areas then I might expect the read head or the circuits after that
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[04:28:11] <CaptHindsight> might be a good start
[04:28:19] <CaptHindsight> bbl...zzzzzzzz
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[04:58:15] <valen00> Zeeshan index pulse perhaps?
[05:02:02] <zeeshan-mill> its only quadrature
[05:02:04] <zeeshan-mill> brb
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[06:57:31] <Deejay> moin
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[09:20:00] <XXCoder> boo
[09:35:54] * Deejay frightens
[09:37:32] <syyl> :(
[09:37:42] <XXCoder> heh
[09:37:46] <XXCoder> whats up
[09:45:15] <XXCoder> pod people
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[10:29:26] <XXCoder> DAAAAAAAANG
[10:29:44] <XXCoder> headlights $2.95 each, very local shipping (same city!) $15 lol
[10:29:56] <XXCoder> umm yeah lemme drive there. jeez.
[10:30:04] <Deejay> yeah, pick it up then
[10:30:21] <XXCoder> $15 worth of gas takes me to work twice
[10:30:35] <XXCoder> and store is sigficantly shorter trip lol
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[10:58:02] <lair82> zeeshan, it should slide right out, are the seals stuck together, or a massive amount of crud inside binding it up? Can look in the end with a flashlight to see whats going on inside?
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[11:51:07] * jthornton needs to make some 17mm balls today
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[11:57:37] * skunkworks makes some sort of joke
[11:59:49] <_methods> hehe balls
[12:02:33] <archivist> spherical objects
[12:04:06] <_methods> i said balls with beavis and butthead voice too
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[12:07:14] <_methods> http://www.visitseoul.net/en/article/article.do?_method=view&p=&m=0004028001001&art_id=81025&lang=en
[12:07:21] <archivist> my best spherical object was done in parts http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2007/2007_03_28_M_Cooper_clock/P3282914.JPG
[12:07:29] <_methods> heh turn the city into a water slide
[12:10:15] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/17mm/
[12:11:00] <skunkworks> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,30530.0.html
[12:11:47] <archivist> cnc balls is cheating
[12:13:01] <_methods> those are ballsy
[12:14:30] <_methods> poor mach lol
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[12:43:33] <Loetmichel> me had 2 weeks of training on the lathe in my first apprenticeship, last day: "and now show us what you all have learned: make a bunch of 30mm aluminium balls on the (NOT CNC) lathe ...
[12:43:44] <Loetmichel> ... most of our class did some eggs
[12:44:19] <Loetmichel> ... i sat down, cot a sin/cos table, made a table for evert 10th of x.... and THEN staerted to turn the balls...
[12:44:33] <Loetmichel> afterwards i had to do a bit of sanding-> perfect round ;)
[12:45:20] <Loetmichel> apprentice master "thats bordering on cheating, but well done!"#
[12:45:22] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:45:31] <archivist> use a tube ground flat and hardened on a rest, perfect balls
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[12:50:17] <archivist> or a bit of paper cut as a template and held against the work
[12:51:16] <Loetmichel> we had templetes made of sheet steel
[12:51:24] <Loetmichel> still after 2 weeks...
[12:51:35] <Loetmichel> never had a lathe at my fingertips beforehand ;-)
[12:51:40] <Loetmichel> i am an electronican ;)
[12:52:02] <Loetmichel> as were the rest of the apprentices
[12:52:36] <Loetmichel> thats why we had only 2 wees lathe, 2 weeks milling and a few months of filing/sawing/grinding/forging
[12:52:39] <Loetmichel> (cold)+
[12:52:54] <archivist> hand turn and rest with paper template http://gears.archivist.info/IMG_1822.JPG
[12:54:03] <Loetmichel> archivist: that wasw nearly 30 jears ago, i was young
[12:54:08] <archivist> I lied, that was a brass template
[12:54:12] <Loetmichel> today i had a bunch of tricks to do that
[12:54:33] <Loetmichel> but after two weeks of lathe training its a hard job to do a ball ;)
[12:54:46] <Loetmichel> s/had/would have
[12:55:36] <lair82> Hey guys, anybody know why the usb ports would shut down when the OS loads. The keyboard and mouse work fine for the bios, but as soon as the software starts loading, they shut off and won't turn back on.
[12:56:46] <lair82> All brand new stuff too, Asrock MB D1800B-ITX, with a Samsung SSD 850 EVO
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[13:03:30] <CaptHindsight> Intel's patented crappy firmware?
[13:06:02] <cradek> what os?
[13:06:20] <lair82> I was trying to load ubuntu
[13:06:27] <cradek> what version of ubuntu?
[13:07:13] <cradek> don't say 10 don't say 10
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[13:08:35] <lair82> Honestly, I tried debian wheezy, then I went back to my 10.04 cd, and I see it on both discs.
[13:08:56] <cradek> yuck, must be new breakage then
[13:09:05] <cradek> try fiddling with all the bios settings I guess :-(
[13:11:20] <Tom_itx> there was a USB issue that was supposedly fixed
[13:11:48] <Tom_itx> wheezy works on my asrock board
[13:12:06] <cradek> there was a usb issue that WAS fixed on some boards, but who knows what the manufacturers screwed up today
[13:12:19] <cradek> lair82: if your wheezy image is old, freshen it
[13:12:21] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: was it a kernel issue?
[13:12:32] <Tom_itx> capn, i don't recall
[13:12:46] <cradek> a kernel patch fixed it
[13:13:34] <CaptHindsight> lair82: check the BIOS version of your board, see if it's the latest or an older rev
[13:13:51] <Tom_itx> iirc i used a newer wheezy image disk
[13:13:57] <cradek> yes we've seen some shockingly broken bioses lately
[13:14:25] <CaptHindsight> cradek: and it's just going to get worse, unfortunately
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[13:16:47] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if EFI backdoors and remote monitoring features work flawlessly or if it's just overall incompetence
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[13:22:13] <lair82> I just flashed the bios with the latest version, which was still from november of last year.
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[13:47:59] <lair82> No luck, Thinking about this, I didn't see this problem until I tried installing that freedos OS yesterday. Could that software set something irrecoverably on the MB that would cause this
[13:48:27] <lair82> I have a different SSD hooked up now, and see the same results.
[13:48:47] <skunkworks> and you have the latest livecd>
[13:48:48] <skunkworks> ?
[13:49:07] <CaptHindsight> lair82: have you completely removed the power from the board for a minute?
[13:51:37] <skunkworks> http://shapertools.com/
[13:55:46] <lair82> I just had it unhooked for about 10 mins came back in, and the same results.
[13:56:41] <lair82> I just made a fresh livecd about a week ago.
[13:58:35] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: I wonder how long the positioners will last?
[13:59:05] <skunkworks> positioners?
[13:59:12] <skunkworks> oh - forgot I posted that link
[13:59:59] <lair82> I just hooked up a another SSD that is already configured for Debian Wheezy (backup in case of a torched drive in my VMC), and it gives this fault on startup " usb 1-1: device not accepting address 1, error -110"
[14:01:34] <lair82> And it went down all the way to address 5, the ngave another error of "unable to enumerate USB Device on port 1"
[14:02:26] <CaptHindsight> lair82: and you didn't have any Linux USB issues until you tried freedos on this MB?
[14:04:00] <lair82> Then down below that I see, "fsck died with exit status 4, failed (code 4), An automatic file system check (fsck) of the root file system failed. A manual fsck must be performed, then the system restarted"
[14:05:05] <CaptHindsight> lair82: does USB work while running the LiveCD, not installing it?
[14:05:23] <lair82> Didn't try that
[14:06:11] <lair82> The mouse doesn't work at that point, I can't move the cursor around to select run or install.
[14:06:34] <CaptHindsight> at what point?
[14:07:39] <lair82> Trying to use the live CD, the usb devices shut off just after the little emblem at the bottom of "keyboard = little man" during the boot sequence.
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[14:08:54] <CaptHindsight> lair82: try a Fedora 21 LiveCD or something else new with a different kernel
[14:09:18] <lair82> It has to be something set in the MB, but I have legacy mode turned on, I flashed the bios for the board.
[14:09:32] <CaptHindsight> turn legacy off
[14:10:51] <CaptHindsight> they may as well call it "Legacy Fred mode with a side of fries"
[14:11:31] <cradek> are you sure the usb worked before you tried freedos, and stopped working afterward?
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[14:20:30] <lair82> I am pretty certain, because I ran the livecd, and tested Ubuntu on it, then tried installing freedos, and now I see these probelms
[14:21:03] <cradek> that seems unlikely to have broken it. did you change any bios settings to install freedos?
[14:21:44] <lair82> Nope,
[14:23:03] <lair82> I ordered another board, I had to order some OS for it anyway, and an IDE adapter to get the data off of the old disk as well, be three days out though.
[14:24:51] <lair82> I tried running DBAN on the SSD after the failed freedos install and I kept getting nonfatal errors trying to run it, not sure if that says anything.
[14:28:36] <CaptHindsight> lair82: just to be clear. Are the USB ports still working fine when in EFI/BIOS?
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[14:29:32] <_methods> so they worked while using livecd but once you installed they quit working?
[14:29:53] <lair82> Yes
[14:29:58] <_methods> you might want to fire it up on the livecd and see what usb drivers are active vs what it's trying to use after install
[14:30:26] <lair82> Yes to working fine when in EFI/BIOS
[14:30:27] <_methods> the actual install must be loading the wrong stuff
[14:31:38] <CaptHindsight> oh so the USB still works when running the LiveCD from the CD not installing it
[14:31:54] <lair82> I didn't make it to the install point, the keyboard and mouse shut off, so I could not select to try it out or install software.
[14:32:16] <_methods> did you pick gui install?
[14:35:03] <lair82> _methods, which os are you referring to?
[14:35:15] <_methods> debian
[14:35:31] <_methods> that was what you were initially going to install correct?
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[14:38:39] <_methods> seems to be a common problem with gigabyte motherboards
[14:39:00] <_methods> some option in the bios called IOMMU
[14:39:12] <_methods> probably not the same issue you're having though
[14:40:20] <CaptHindsight> lair82: are you certain that you didn't make any changes to BIOS setting after having USB work with Linux?
[14:40:32] <lair82> No I tried the ubuntu livecd, not the install just running it live, then I tried to install freedos, which faulted on the install, so I tried to run Dban to clean the SSD and start over, and thats when Dban faulted and would not even run, and then after that is when I noticed that usb devices would not work.
[14:41:42] <lair82> I reset the bios twice, cleared the cmos, then ran the flash update for the MB with the latest bios firmware I downloaded from Asrocks website.
[14:41:57] <lair82> And I still see the same problem.
[14:43:27] <CaptHindsight> oh so freedos never installed, where did you download it from since sourceforge was down yesterday?
[14:44:04] <lair82> freedos.org
[14:44:37] <lair82> http://www.freedos.org/download/
[14:45:09] <lair82> The download image at the top, fd11src.iso
[14:45:47] <lair82> Apparently this wasn't the right one, or something is messed up with this download.
[14:45:50] <CaptHindsight> lair82: when you said "yes" above was it to my question or methods?
[14:46:19] <CaptHindsight> "Yes to working fine when in EFI/BIOS" nevermind
[14:46:47] <CaptHindsight> so the hardware isn't broken if USB still works in EFI/BIOS
[14:46:53] <lair82> To your questions, the usb devices (mouse, keyboard, and thumbdrive) all work fine in the bios section
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[14:47:34] <pcw_home> Are you _really really_ sure you have a current wheezy image
[14:47:36] <pcw_home> The failure to enumerate error is exactly what you get with an early RTAI kernel and a J1800
[14:47:38] <CaptHindsight> lair82: is USB Legacy Mode turned OFF?
[14:49:55] <lair82> I did turn it off, then the usb ports were off all the time, and I could not get back into bios turn them back on, so I reset the bios again to get things working as far as they were before that.
[14:50:53] <lair82> I am downloading the latest .iso now from the website,
[14:51:23] <CaptHindsight> you could not get back into the BIOS menu? why not? what was happening?
[14:51:43] <lair82> All of this just so I can run that one single program from cincinnati milacron to load programs to three turning centers.
[14:52:22] <CaptHindsight> well you also picked a board that had USB issues with Linux at one time
[14:52:35] <CaptHindsight> fun isn't it :)
[14:52:55] <lair82> After I disableb legacy mode, and saved the changes and exited the bios screen, the usb ports all shut off, and would not come back on regardless of what I did, re-boot, unplug let sit, nothing.
[14:53:32] <cradek> can you just return it and use a working computer instead?
[14:53:42] <CaptHindsight> good idea
[14:53:53] <cradek> that's what andy did when he bought a frustrating dud
[14:54:58] <lair82> Thats the thing, I would rather run a linux based OS, and be able to use the software from milacron on it, instead of forking over a hundred bucks for windows 32bit, which this stuff will run on.
[14:55:01] <pcw_home> you need legacy mode for DOS do not turn it off
[14:56:24] <lair82> We don't have any spare pc's, so I rolled my own based off of what it required, not very much, really, just a serial port, and the ability to run that milacron program.
[14:56:30] <pcw_home> The ubuntu live cd is know to have USB issues with the J1800 (it will never work on any J1800s)
[14:57:00] <pcw_home> the forst wheezy image is the same, it turns off USB when its starts up
[14:57:05] <pcw_home> first
[14:57:07] <CaptHindsight> USB Legacy Mode, ON for DOS, OFF for Linux
[14:57:52] <lair82> Ok, so maybe there isn't anything wrong, I just need to get windows going on it.
[14:57:54] <CaptHindsight> you just hope that the BIOS dev doesn't have dyslexia
[14:58:29] <lair82> Can I write the new .iso over the old one on my thumb drive?
[14:58:33] <pcw_home> Thats what I asked about whether you have a _current_ wheezy install image
[14:58:47] <pcw_home> s/what/why/
[14:58:48] <CaptHindsight> or similar condition that causes bit or ON/OFF flipping
[14:59:06] <pcw_home> no its a kernel problem
[14:59:24] <pcw_home> a well known kernel issue
[14:59:54] <CaptHindsight> can't he use the kernel that worked when he first tried the MB?
[14:59:54] <pcw_home> on j1800s and J1900s (and other Baytrail CPUs) no BIOS involvement at all
[15:01:16] <pcw_home> AFAIKR the J1800s have a built in USB hub that early kernels inadvertently power down at at startup
[15:02:12] <pcw_home> if you have a mouse with a red LED you can watch the light go out...
[15:02:17] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: I understand, but he said that the LiveCD had USB when he first tried it
[15:02:54] <pcw_home> you will have USB up to a point...
[15:05:14] <CaptHindsight> will you have USB on the first boot in Linux when the desktop is working?
[15:05:30] <pcw_home> no
[15:07:11] <CaptHindsight> so unless his info wasn't clear, he did have working USB on his desktop with Linux using the LiveCD
[15:07:35] <lair82> I could have sworn it worked, but it's hard telling, I was working this new machine, my linux test pc trying out Andy pughs new carousel component, and fixing a display issue on turning center in the shop, all at the same time.
[15:07:47] <cradek> it can be really hard to correctly recall a complex series of events strung out over several days
[15:08:01] <lair82> cradek, AMEN
[15:08:22] <CaptHindsight> yeah, understandable, I forgot was I was doing minutes ago :)
[15:08:32] <cradek> that is one of the things that makes troubleshooting so hard
[15:08:38] <archivist> ooooh shiny
[15:08:47] <cradek> and helping people on irc :-)
[15:08:51] <archivist> and you have lost track
[15:09:08] <cradek> it's improbable that the freedos boot broke your usb for linux, even if that's the pattern you recall
[15:09:19] * Loetmichel just mounted a 4mm thick shielding glass pane onto a 50" tft tv... that added 16kg. SLIGHTLY bad in handling now that beast...
[15:09:24] <CaptHindsight> would be odd
[15:09:34] <cradek> so let's move on and make sure you're booting the correct live image
[15:10:05] <cradek> so md5sum the one you have, let's check it's the right one, and then you can freshly dd your usb stick and try it
[15:10:19] <lair82> I hear you, I still can't get at either machine to do that bisect to figure out what the hell the problem is with halui, it will probably be friday the looks.
[15:10:50] <cradek> heh no pressure
[15:14:00] <lair82> I tried plugging my thumb drive in with my .iso image on it, but I can't see it in "My Computer"
[15:14:55] <lair82> 9 Mins left on my current download. The image I have been using is from roughly last septemberish
[15:15:13] <cradek> you should've used zsync
[15:15:18] <lair82> Debian Wheezy Image that is.
[15:15:34] <lair82> zsync for what, what is that?
[15:16:57] <CaptHindsight> ok so 10 month old LiveCD
[15:17:12] <lair82> Ok, I just read what Zsync is,
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[15:17:15] <cradek> it's for downloading big files that have only changed a little
[15:17:26] <cradek> it only downloads the changes, and it makes sure your final result is right
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[15:17:49] <lair82> My debian image is 10 months old, my ubuntu image is only a week old.
[15:17:50] <cradek> a dumb download, like in a web browser, is not reliable and you have to check the md5sum
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[15:18:58] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/Getting-LinuxCNC.html#_download_using_zsync
[15:20:05] <pcw_home> the ubuntu _kernel_ is years old
[15:20:46] <lair82> How do I erase what's on the current thumb drive, to put the new image back on it, if my PC doesn't see the thumb drive when it's plugged in right now?
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[15:21:27] <cradek> don't. just use dd.
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[15:22:40] <cradek> instructions at the bottom: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[15:22:44] <lair82> I just checked the md5sum, it's good
[15:22:50] <cradek> yay
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[15:45:07] <greg___> Finally, success with the Emco.
[15:47:19] <greg___> The door problems I was having were my fault. I had disconnected the air cylinder for the door so I could open it before I powered it up. Apparently the longer hose didn't connect to the valve that was further away.
[15:49:57] <greg___> I need to find a PC case that fits in the cabinet though. This one is too big. It's 900MHz on W98.
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[15:54:09] <archivist> if its in the cabinet does it need a case
[15:55:08] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yeah - I mean - what problem could chips possibly cause
[15:55:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:55:20] <SpeedEvil> (yes, I know)
[15:55:42] <SpeedEvil> But if you don't need a cosmetically acceptable PC case, it's a lot easier
[15:55:52] <archivist> the cabinet is sealed (should be)
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[15:57:13] <SpeedEvil> Dropping stuff on the PC guts while servicing would be bad
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[15:57:47] <archivist> I killed a commodore pet that way :)
[15:58:08] <archivist> fix psu, carry on
[15:59:47] <greg___> I could just throw the motherboard in there, but not really what I want.
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[16:02:59] <greg___> I have an old dell desktop, but I don't want to reinstall everything. There is a computer recycling place in town, I'll see what they have.
[16:05:54] <pcw_home> Typically you can just swap the linuxcnc hard drive to the new system (no re-installation required)
[16:07:36] <greg___> Yes, This is W98 for the Emco. Than would make moving the Linuxcnc setup I started on the dell for a lathe easy though.
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[16:08:48] <greg___> different topic. Is it possible to home Lcnc with a prox and index on the xis encoder?
[16:09:09] <pcw_home> windows is typically not portable the same way (blue screens if old or license problems if new)
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[16:09:55] <greg___> that is the axis would home until the prox trips, then look for the encoder index to set home?
[16:10:15] <pcw_home> should be possible
[16:10:52] <pcw_home> Is this a servo system?
[16:11:54] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[16:12:17] <greg___> The Emco homes somethign like that. I may do the same on my lathe. Right now i have parts to set up a mesa stepper card to drive gecko servos, backwards i know don't shoot me.
[16:12:25] <zeeshan> pcw_home: i am kind of lost why im getting lost position ocasionally for Y axis
[16:12:35] <zeeshan> do you think i need to buy a scope
[16:12:38] <zeeshan> and measure the analog signal?
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[16:13:23] <pcw_home> looks like something wrong with either the Y scale or interpolator
[16:13:47] <zeeshan> if it was the Y interpolator
[16:13:55] <zeeshan> wouldn't i be able to see that in halscope?
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[16:15:03] <pcw_home> I dont think you can tell whether its a scale of interpolater problem with halscope
[16:15:25] <pcw_home> scale _or_ interpolater
[16:16:26] <pcw_home> I would try (carefully) swapping interpolaters and see if the problem follows the scale or interpolator
[16:18:50] <zeeshan> that is a good idea
[16:18:52] <zeeshan> ill try that
[16:18:53] <pcw_home> greg___: homing to index is probably possible with the step/dir servos but awkward because the encoder signals (A,B,Z) must got to the Gecko drive and linuxcnc
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[16:20:03] <pcw_home> there is index support in the step/dir hardware but the hm2 driver does not currently support it
[16:21:53] <pcw_home> so you must currently use the encoder and run a closed loop step/dir system ( position loop closed in LinuxCNC )
[16:21:55] <pcw_home> to support homing to index with step/dir drives
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[16:26:01] <JT-Shop> windoze installing update 1 of 2 should only take a half a day :(
[16:26:40] <archivist> andypugh, holiday espania or on a works jolly :)
[16:26:43] <JT-Shop> time for a new keyboard on the CHNC, battery leaked
[16:26:49] <greg___> OK. I guess closed loop is the way to go. I was already thinking of going that route.
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[16:29:59] <andypugh> archivist: Work non-jolly. Alttude testing at Granada. Driving a car up and down a mountain at different speeds and trailer loads monitoring temperatures and pressures.
[16:30:35] <archivist> I thought it would be work :)
[16:30:49] <archivist> the hostmask looked odd :)
[16:31:45] <archivist> should know the bends after a few (hundred) trips
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[16:48:04] <lair82> Hey Guys, just got my debian image updated, set the pc back up, and now everything is working fine with the USB devices.
[16:48:18] <lair82> Thanks for all the help.
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[16:51:40] <lair82> For what it's worth, should I update the software, in regards to the debian image, on the two VMC's I am still in the middle of setting up right now?
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[16:55:25] <CaptHindsight> good so it's just the old kernel problem
[16:58:01] <lair82> Apparently, looks good now.
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[16:59:29] <lair82> andypugh, I am playing with the carousel component, looks promising so far, just a note though, when you start up linuxcnc, home it out, then make your first tool change it looks good, the nwhen you try to make the second tool change I get a fault at the bottom,
[17:00:39] <andypugh> What fault?
[17:01:06] <andypugh> Have you made absolutely sure that the G-code routine is absolutely correct for your toolchanger?
[17:01:31] <andypugh> There is no danger of expensive damage with the Vismach model, but there is with a real oe...
[17:01:36] <lair82> 9:duplicate O-word label - already defined in line 29: 'O200 IF [#<selected_tool> GT 0]'
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[17:02:01] <lair82> I haven't even put it on my VMC yet, just my PC in my office.
[17:02:25] <lair82> Still need to look at the files, to see how it compares to my machine.
[17:04:05] <lair82> The only visual difference I see so far is, My carousel is fixed in place, I have a single ended tool changer arm that goes in/out, up/down, and spins from the carousel to the spindle. This also means the spindle just goes to the top of it's travel and sits there for the entire tool change.
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[17:04:56] <lair82> But I would imagine once I look at the hal and ini files, I should be able to tie your component into my machine.
[17:06:07] <lair82> If you clear the fault, you can make another tool change call, and it will change tools, and the fault never comes back. It only happens on the second toolchange after re-starting Linuxcnc.
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[17:19:11] <MrFluffy> I need to write a ebay bid sniper with dependancies
[17:19:37] <MrFluffy> if item x goes for more than y then bid on z instead, and if that goes for more than y amount, bid on next item instead... sort of thing
[17:20:36] <MrFluffy> sorry wrong channel :)
[17:21:29] <archivist> its you sniping my ikea shelves!
[17:21:48] <MrFluffy> no, it would cut down on me owning 3 of something...
[17:21:57] <Loetmichel> *meh* that WASNT a nice commute home. 50cc motorcyle has spewed out some bearing balls from the rear wheel... including parts of the races... the hub looks like a volcano where the bearing was... and because its vintage i dont know if i can source another rear wheel... :-(
[17:23:24] <archivist> MrFluffy, I won 4 on sunday still waiting on the sellers address and a time to pickup
[17:23:59] <MrFluffy> I mean, I bid on something, but I only want to bid on another of the same thing if I dont win that item for sufficiently low price
[17:24:15] <MrFluffy> so I want to bid on them all, with ongoing dependancies on previous auctions
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[17:24:35] <archivist> getting spares can be a bonus!
[17:24:41] <MrFluffy> I apparently own 3 xbox360 kinnects after the last round of not doing that...
[17:24:55] <MrFluffy> Ok I can repurpose two of them for some computer vision stuff but...
[17:24:59] <archivist> hehe
[17:25:50] <archivist> Loetmichel, plenty of wheel rebuilders around
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[17:26:13] <Loetmichel> a cast aluminium wheel?
[17:26:29] <Loetmichel> whre the rim around the bearing was 3mm thick to start with?
[17:26:59] <MrFluffy> if I win something I always pay for it, no matter if I want it or not, personal ethics
[17:26:59] <MrFluffy> but... I'd like not to be in that position without upsetting anyone :-)
[17:27:08] <MrFluffy> I tried one at a time, but I always get busy about the next auction, or it happens at stupid o'clock etc.
[17:27:16] <MrFluffy> what moped is it Loetmichel ?
[17:27:28] <archivist> machine it, bush it, add a reinforcement ring outside shrunk on
[17:27:48] <Loetmichel> MrFluffy: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15295&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:27:57] <Loetmichel> gilera eaglet (typ 503)
[17:28:37] <archivist> you could make a new centre
[17:28:58] <archivist> not too difficult to machine up
[17:29:20] <MrFluffy> do you have a restricted license or some other reason for using a 50 for commuting?
[17:29:34] <Loetmichel> exactly
[17:29:50] <Loetmichel> i am only allowed to drive 50cc/50kmh with my car license
[17:30:01] <Loetmichel> on two wheels that is
[17:30:05] <Loetmichel> germany
[17:30:05] <MrFluffy> take the license asap is my recommendation
[17:30:15] <MrFluffy> 50cc = dangerous because of no performance...
[17:30:33] <andypugh> lair82: Ah, I thought I had correlated that error to asking for a tool that does not exist.
[17:30:41] <archivist> mid life crisis and large bikes is also dangerous
[17:30:50] <MrFluffy> no offense intended...
[17:30:52] <andypugh> I have absolutely no idea what causes it, as there is not a duplicate O-word lable.
[17:30:57] <Loetmichel> no cash to spend 2000 eur on a license and another 2000 eur on a bike just to be a bit cheaper on the commute to work on nice days
[17:31:05] <MrFluffy> I'm still in my first life crisis archivist
[17:31:23] <MrFluffy> that has spoked wheels in the pic, you can get the wheel rebuilt with a new hub
[17:31:34] <andypugh> I use my motorcycle on not-nice days, and the bicycle on nice days :-)
[17:31:46] <archivist> I have had my second time around on bikes :)
[17:31:57] <Loetmichel> and prerformance is ok for a 50cc, it has a 5 shift manual gearbox, sifficient to propel the bile with ME on it to about 80kmh onm the plain ;)
[17:31:57] <MrFluffy> homeworker :( but last time I worked in a office I used to commute on my kawasaki turbo
[17:32:02] <MrFluffy> it almost made work fun
[17:32:18] <andypugh> I never stopped, I haven’t owned a car. But then the job rather means I don’t need to.
[17:32:49] <lair82> andypugh, no big deal, I was just letting you know,
[17:32:50] <Loetmichel> the hub also holds the brake disc and the sprocket and is sadly type specific, MrFluffy
[17:32:55] <Loetmichel> and made of cast aluminium
[17:33:06] <MrFluffy> you must be able to find a wheel in the breakers fairly easily though
[17:33:22] <Loetmichel> breakers?
[17:33:28] <lair82> Why so much for a motorcycle license???
[17:33:32] <archivist> scrap yard
[17:33:34] <MrFluffy> it doesnt look very old... to me :)
[17:33:38] <Loetmichel> those bikes were made 1996 to early 2000
[17:33:48] <Loetmichel> there are not that much around
[17:33:48] <MrFluffy> yep, perfect age to find in a breakers :)
[17:33:52] <archivist> hardly vintage
[17:33:53] <Loetmichel> sadly no
[17:34:16] <MrFluffy> I was thinking somethign like a fantic chopper :)
[17:34:23] <Loetmichel> already to old to be in the scrapyards, and to young to have a "vintage spares industry" interest
[17:34:27] <MrFluffy> or a fs1e :)
[17:34:47] <Loetmichel> lair82: because germany
[17:35:26] <lair82> Thats almost 2200 USD, here in Ohio it's like 50.00
[17:36:22] <lair82> How much is a license for your car?
[17:36:27] <MrFluffy> thats the price for a riding school course and test though isnt it?
[17:36:31] <MrFluffy> not just the test
[17:37:19] <lair82> Here they give you book, tell you to go home and read it, then bring a bike back and do the obstacle course, take a test, and your done.
[17:37:57] <lair82> OF course we probably have a few morons and accidents than you do in Germany.
[17:39:10] <lair82> have a few _more_ morons and accidents
[17:42:01] <Loetmichel> lair82: about 2500 for a car license
[17:42:11] <Loetmichel> eur
[17:42:43] <Loetmichel> MrFluffy: you have about 30 mandatory school practice hours before you can take the test
[17:42:54] <Loetmichel> thats why its so expensive
[17:43:32] <archivist> I got my full license before that silly stuff started :)
[17:44:06] <archivist> examiner stood on the road watching you go by
[17:45:47] <andypugh> Me too. even then it seemed crazy.
[17:45:49] <Loetmichel> MrFluffy: btw: you are right for cars
[17:45:57] <MrFluffy> wow just reading that... you dont have to take the training, as long as you can pass the test elsewhere
[17:45:58] <Loetmichel> age-> scrapper wise
[17:46:22] <Loetmichel> but for 50cc: they are normally driven by the 16 year olds until they can get the "big" license
[17:46:40] <Loetmichel> so they tend to sell the 50cc bikes after 2 years
[17:46:58] <MrFluffy> its 15 years old for a 50 here in france
[17:47:03] <Loetmichel> and the 3rd owner has usually totalled them
[17:47:05] <MrFluffy> or a sans permis car...
[17:47:23] <Loetmichel> so there is not much left about 8 jears after production end of a specific model
[17:47:25] <MrFluffy> theyre not horribly robust or reliable usually also, not to be rude but things break because theyre made very lightweight
[17:47:44] <MrFluffy> when I had smaller bikes, things broke a lot
[17:47:54] <Loetmichel> yeah, that eagles weights less than 120kg
[17:48:01] <MrFluffy> then when I had larger ones, its so difficult to thrash them, they last a lot longer
[17:48:01] <Loetmichel> eaglet
[17:48:19] <MrFluffy> its hard to abuse a 1100 and stay alive for long :)
[17:48:31] <andypugh> MrFluffy: Yamaha YZF-R1 = 160,000km and still very fast.
[17:49:04] <MrFluffy> I have its forebearer andy, in a posh suit, a bimota yb8e...
[17:49:33] <MrFluffy> but you get what i mean, its hard to abuse something with a lot of performance, and its made strong to cope with that performance...
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[17:50:18] <MrFluffy> the bimota terrifies me still, its 120kg too... but with 165hp...
[17:50:46] <Loetmichel> instead of 3 hp ;)
[17:51:13] <Loetmichel> i have once driven a 174hp modified BMW k100
[17:52:01] <Loetmichel> THAT was fun... sitting upright at 200++kmh. behind the windshield... nicely greeting the zzr, open the throttle and be gone ;)
[17:52:26] <andypugh> Yes, it is built to survive 180hp and spends most of the time at steady speed making abiout 18hp
[17:52:29] <Loetmichel> and a ymaha biker rubbing his eyes... not to mentoin that i had no license ;-)
[17:53:27] <andypugh> Bimota apares prices would terrify me :-) R1 spaares are very readily available.
[17:54:19] <MrFluffy> just dont fall off, then its all standard yamaha parts :)
[17:54:40] <andypugh> MrFluffy: My R1 did have one annoying mechanical problem: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/2004-yzf-r1-exhaust-flange-replacement.html
[17:55:34] <Loetmichel> harhar....
[17:56:01] <Loetmichel> i once lost my muffler after pressing the killswitch for a few secs and then release it
[17:56:02] <cradek> andypugh: that's a really great hack
[17:56:14] <Loetmichel> *BANG* *POP*
[17:56:57] <andypugh> I have no idea why they put mild-steel flanges on a Ti exhaust
[17:57:00] <Loetmichel> *PRROOOOOOOOOOO* (cue the look in the review mirror seeing the whole muffer spinning on the tarmac behind me)
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[18:04:43] <JT-Shop> lol windoze still installing update 1 of 2
[18:05:08] <JT-Shop> 1 1/2 hours so far
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[18:06:00] <archivist> that wonderful new font bug, probably is replacing all your fonts
[18:06:37] <archivist> I hate fixing windaz peecees for that reason
[18:11:58] <MrSunshine> http://postimg.org/gallery/iz00810u/ tube amplifier in the working =)
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[18:28:12] <MrFluffy> sorry afk for a bit there, bloody spa going wrong yet again
[18:29:03] <MrSunshine> uhh.. that sounds nasty ...
[18:29:17] <MrSunshine> the chocolate pool ate someone ?
[18:29:35] <MrSunshine> or .. someone ate the chocolate pool?!
[18:29:36] <MrFluffy> its a tub with water and a pump, yet every day the stupid pump throws a error code and I have to go messing with it
[18:30:13] <MrFluffy> the exhaust wont fall off andys bike because its held by more than the header flanges :)
[18:30:20] <MrFluffy> just make a row
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[18:32:52] <MrFluffy> shotguns on the overrun :)
[18:32:55] * JT-Shop tries to make some balls finally
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[18:39:40] <MrFluffy> absolutely not to be confused with the scene coder paradroid, who wrote rink a dink redux amongst others and came from near me...
[18:42:07] <MrFluffy> grr I hate this client, sorry people
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[18:56:07] <lair82> PCW your around?
[18:57:11] <PCW> sort of
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[19:00:07] <lair82> Quick question, does it make a difference on the 7i49 if I have the Sine and Cosine input wiring reversed?
[19:01:07] <lair82> Inadvertently wire he sine wiring to the cosine inputs and cosine wiring to the sine inputs?
[19:05:58] <furrywolf> might count the wrong direction, not sure.
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[19:07:58] <lair82> That's what I was wondering, I have a discrepancie on some resolver wiring on a machine we are retrofitting. So I am not sure.
[19:09:05] <PCW> yes backwards if you reverse one
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[19:11:56] <lair82> Ok, just wondered, I will have to pay attention when we initially start the control to make sure it is counting in the right direction.
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[19:14:56] <PCW> oh if you swap sine/cos it shoud just have a 1/4 turn offset in the 0 (index) position
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[19:17:51] <jdh> would you ever know if it was always like that?
[19:20:33] <PCW> probably not
[19:21:28] <PCW> though it would affect limit switch/index alignment
[19:21:42] <tiwake> interesting
[19:22:58] <tiwake> yesterday my co-owner decided it would be fun to spray the laptop that we use for making programs and sending them between machines with coolant
[19:23:33] <tiwake> by spray I mean accidently turn on the coolant with the door open and the laptop sitting there where the stream went
[19:25:30] <tiwake> meh
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[20:00:05] <JT-Shop> windoze still updating 3 1/2 hours so far
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[20:03:35] <FinboySlick> I thought the Linux version of NX would spare me Windows forever but it is very clunky :P
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[20:50:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you're working it too hard
[20:51:08] <JT-Shop> still updating
[20:51:32] <JT-Shop> I need to take a walk around the property, I've not done that since I buried Cocoa
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[21:14:51] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:36:00] <JT-Shop> 5 hours updating windoze
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[21:39:34] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[21:39:50] <PetefromTn_> Never had to wait that long on an update.... is there something wrong with your PC?
[21:40:17] <JT-Shop> dunno
[21:40:26] <JT-Shop> crappy connection maybe
[21:40:55] <PetefromTn_> the only problem I ever had with an update was one part would fail to load and I kept trying it and trying it. Finally just deleted it and everything else loaded okay after that.
[21:41:42] <JT-Shop> this was an update after booting up
[21:42:12] <PetefromTn_> huh that sucks tho...
[21:45:42] <JT-Shop> I don't know if I should introduce a power surge or not lol
[21:45:57] <PetefromTn_> or some lead injection hehe
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[21:47:48] <JT-Shop> I'm not that stressed yet
[21:49:00] <PetefromTn_> hopefully you won't reach that point anytime soon either LOL that gets expensive!
[21:49:36] <JT-Shop> yea, cause there is a loaded 12 gauge next to my desk with 6 rounds of buck shot in it
[21:50:13] <JT-Shop> that computer has been a pos since I built it
[21:51:08] <JT-Shop> I'm convinced that e commerce software makes more money than e commerce lol
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[21:53:03] <PetefromTn_> andypugh https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205643946371418&set=gm.902767296460074&type=1&theater !!!
[21:53:40] <andypugh> “The link you followed may have expired, or the Page may only be visible to an audience that you aren't in.”
[21:54:03] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[21:54:47] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/iNnPwwN.jpg
[21:55:10] <PetefromTn_> 1945 Rivet 608 4NS with a bunch of accessories.
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[22:28:08] <JT-Shop> windoze computer just had a power outage
[22:29:06] <Tom_itx> shame
[22:30:57] <JT-Shop> different update screen this time
[22:31:01] <Tom_itx> seems when you install software they want to use your pc more than you do. be it windows, firefox etc
[22:31:24] <Tom_itx> i swear FF comes out with an update every other day
[22:31:37] <JT-Shop> yea, it's a pain
[22:31:47] <tiwake> herm
[22:31:52] <JT-Shop> starting windblows again
[22:32:04] <tiwake> never made a hole that small and deep before
[22:32:28] <Tom_itx> Random thought: Every box of rasins is a tragic tale of grapes that could have been wine.
[22:32:30] <tiwake> a customer is asking about a 0.257" hole 6.5" deep
[22:32:52] <tiwake> what would I use to punch a hole that deep?
[22:33:02] <JT-Shop> lol, I much prefer wine to raisins
[22:33:15] <JT-Shop> gun drill
[22:33:24] <tiwake> link?
[22:33:43] <JT-Shop> google.com
[22:33:50] <PetefromTn_> heh
[22:34:06] <tiwake> my google-fu is broken
[22:34:16] <JT-Shop> my computer is down
[22:35:19] <JT-Shop> preparing to configure windoze do not turn off your computer
[22:35:29] <JT-Shop> at least it's a new screen lol
[22:36:55] * JT-Shop takes the Kubota down to the pet cemetery to dress up Cocoa's grave after the rain yesterday it has settled a bit
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[22:41:57] <Valen> so I'm trying to simulate a mill, based on linear rails, manufacturers don't seem to publish the stiffness numbers for axial loads though?
[22:42:47] <Valen> they publish it for moment loads but TBI, NSK, and TSK all reference "K" for stiffness, but never actually give a value for it?
[22:47:30] <JT-Shop> wouldn't that have something to do with what it is mounted to?
[22:47:46] <tiwake> and how much weight the bearings are supporting
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[22:54:49] <JT-Shop> f***ing windows wants to reboot again
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[23:13:42] <Valen> it does, but that is a lump of steel I control, I want to know how much their bit is going to move on top of my steel
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[23:50:07] <Simonious> is this the right place to come for cambam help/questions?
[23:55:01] <Tecan> only if by cambam you mean linuxemc
[23:55:23] <Tecan> there are lots of good CAD guru's here though
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