#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-07-21

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[00:03:26] <SpeedEvil> Valen: what?
[00:03:37] <SpeedEvil> there are dogs that have generally been kept outside.
[00:03:43] <SpeedEvil> Huskies spring to mind
[00:08:29] <PetefromTn_> SpeedEvil My dog is a Siberian Husky and he is always inside
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[00:09:03] <SpeedEvil> I was just wondering where 'no such thing as an outside dog' came from
[00:09:33] <SpeedEvil> Especially given that it seems likely that dogs were around before houses
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[00:10:04] <PetefromTn_> well I personally took it as a sentiment that NO dog should be taken on as a pet and just left outside all the time in the elements
[00:10:55] <PetefromTn_> there are plenty of people who have dogs and just hook them to a chain and leave them out in the elements and are essentially neglected of course which is terrible.
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[00:22:02] <SpeedEvil> Well, it depends - some are bred for it. - some guardian sheepdogs, for example
[00:22:18] <SpeedEvil> 'as a pet' - where the dog can't socialise to a degree - yes
[00:28:25] <PetefromTn_> well yeah of course a working dog that must be outside most of the time with a flock or whatever would of course be an exception and honestly in my own view if there is adequate shelter and a safe area and food/care it is probably fine as well....
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[00:45:33] <furrywolf> ... there's no such thing as an inside dog. dogs are meant to be outside able to do whatever they want.
[00:47:32] <furrywolf> except for yappy dogs. they're not meant to be anywhere. ever.
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[00:52:45] <malcom2073> It was an inside dog I tell ya.. seee
[00:53:55] <furrywolf> lol
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[01:07:27] <greg___> So the Emco mill is alive sort of. I ran the 240 to the garage and after checking my rewiring in the Emco one last time, plugged it in. Everything powered up. Now I just have to figure out how to use it.
[01:08:49] <furrywolf> that's the easy part, right? :)
[01:09:23] <PetefromTn_> Hell I'll use it for you LOL
[01:10:04] <roycroft> excuse me
[01:10:08] <roycroft> i'm quite the expert on yippy dogs
[01:10:26] <roycroft> having three next-door-neighbors in a row each of whom had two yippy dogs
[01:10:38] <roycroft> i've lost countless hours of sleep because of them
[01:10:47] <roycroft> called the cops on them countless times
[01:11:00] <roycroft> and had the cops called on me once for allegedly threatening the dogs
[01:11:20] <roycroft> but i do not believe they are not meant to be anywhere, ever
[01:11:53] <greg___> the manuals are of little help, I'll figure it out, but I'll probably call Emco to see if it's working correctly.
[01:11:55] <roycroft> i believe that if they have an owner who is stupid enough to put up with them and that owner lives on enough land that no person off property is ever able to hear the dogs under any circumstances that's just fine
[01:12:10] <furrywolf> not until torture is universally abolished?
[01:12:36] <roycroft> let the yippy dogs and the dippy owners live together in shrill, annoying peace
[01:13:48] <PetefromTn_> Hey why don't you tell us how you really feel about it
[01:13:55] <furrywolf> lol
[01:14:05] <greg___> so far I managed to jog the axes, but not figured out how to spin the turret or spindle.
[01:14:24] <furrywolf> linuxcnc?
[01:14:36] <roycroft> it requires lots of barking
[01:14:42] <roycroft> preferably in two part harmony
[01:14:59] <greg___> Emco's winnc and fanuc 0M interface
[01:15:36] <furrywolf> no idea how to work it, then, but that sounds like something that will have a manual available.
[01:16:20] <greg___> i have manuals and teacher guides etc, but haven't figured it out yet. either I'm missing something or something isn't quite right
[01:16:52] <greg___> it needs to be homed manually and the manuals just say do do the procedure, but it doesn't seem to work.
[01:19:11] * roycroft is convinced that if yippy dog energy were able to be harnassed the world's energy needs would be fully met for decades to come
[01:19:31] <furrywolf> lol
[01:19:52] <furrywolf> I think we need to convince breeders to be responsible, and not breed any dogs that show any tendency towards yapping.
[01:20:28] <malcom2073> You can't convince humans to be responsible in their own breeding, much less the breeding of any other animals
[01:21:27] <roycroft> it's more in the training than the breeding, imo
[01:21:30] <roycroft> but i'm not a dog expert
[01:21:45] <roycroft> as an example
[01:21:51] <roycroft> my current neighbors have two yippy dogs
[01:22:01] <roycroft> that seems to be the standard number for some reason
[01:22:15] <furrywolf> assholes tend to have asshole dogs...
[01:22:16] <roycroft> a couple months ago i was in my shop, doing some work on my milling machine
[01:22:23] <roycroft> i had a project i needed to complete
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[01:22:38] <roycroft> i was dirty with machining grime - mostly oil
[01:22:44] <roycroft> the neighbors came over
[01:23:01] <furrywolf> around here, stupid people like getting pitbulls, then beating and staving them until they're violent. they want to pass a law banning pitbulls, because that's obviously the problem.
[01:23:03] <roycroft> their dogs had broken the fence between their yard and mine and had escaped into my yard
[01:23:13] <roycroft> they demanded that i drop what i was doing and repair the fence
[01:23:30] <roycroft> i told them i'd look at it when i had a chance to take a break, in about 45 minutes
[01:23:41] <furrywolf> I had a neighbor who did that. his puppy was too friendly. so he'd pick it up and throw it against the wall of his house until it started trying to attack everything.
[01:23:56] <roycroft> ten minutes later their daughter came over and told me that the dogs escaped again and that i absolutely had to fix the fence immediately
[01:24:00] <furrywolf> ... so because their dogs broke the fence, you need to fix it?
[01:24:15] <roycroft> i politely told her that i would look at it when i had an opportunity, in about a half hour
[01:24:23] <roycroft> she said that the dogs were escaping
[01:24:39] <Tom_itx> give her a log chain and send her home
[01:24:42] <roycroft> at that point i told her that it was her problem, not mine, and that perhaps she should keep them in the house for a bit
[01:24:42] <furrywolf> so because her dogs are escaping, you need to fix it? :P
[01:24:59] <furrywolf> keep a pair of shock collars on hand to give to her next time that happens
[01:25:00] <roycroft> so i went out a half hour or so later and fixed the broken fence board
[01:25:08] <roycroft> the next day the dogs broke another fence board
[01:25:13] <roycroft> and i got the same demands
[01:25:33] <roycroft> i told them that it was not my responsibility to keep their dogs out of my yard, but their responsibility to keep their dogs in their yard
[01:25:51] <furrywolf> ah. and now they hate you because you're an asshole and a bad person.
[01:25:55] <roycroft> and that they needed to pay for the fence repairs since their dogs were breaking the fence
[01:26:10] <roycroft> they told me they could not be responsible for what their dogs mightr do in my yard
[01:26:34] <roycroft> and i told them that if their dogs were in my yard i'd take care of the situation by calling animal control and having them impound the dogs
[01:26:46] <roycroft> at which point they called the police and said i threatened to harm their dogs
[01:27:06] <furrywolf> sounds like assholes to me.
[01:27:13] <roycroft> the police came over, i explained the situation, and one of the cops said "what the fuck are we doing here?"
[01:27:27] <roycroft> and then they went next door and told the yippy dog people to keep their dogs under control
[01:27:36] <furrywolf> lol
[01:27:53] <roycroft> sadly, this is typical yippy dog people mentality
[01:28:01] <furrywolf> yep
[01:28:26] <roycroft> and the behavior of the owners is what convinces me that it's the owners' fault, not the dogs'
[01:28:31] <roycroft> dogs can be trained
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[01:28:52] <roycroft> i hate this situation, but harbor no animosity towards the dogs
[01:29:03] <roycroft> they're just pawns in a lame game of incompetent assholery
[01:29:42] <roycroft> but those people, if they want to keep their dogs, should be forced to buy 30 acres of land somewhere and put their house right in the middle of that land
[01:29:50] <roycroft> and live there with their dogs
[01:29:57] <roycroft> not in the city
[01:30:11] <roycroft> and perhaps i exaggerate
[01:30:16] <roycroft> 10 acres might be enough
[01:30:27] <furrywolf> ... 30 acres is not enough.
[01:30:27] <roycroft> but 30 acres would make sure nobody hears them
[01:30:32] <roycroft> depends on the land
[01:30:36] <roycroft> if it's wooded, it's plenty
[01:30:49] <roycroft> if it's on a plateau in the mountains, 30,000 acres might not be enough
[01:30:52] <furrywolf> heh, I've known some dogs that wander >10 miles. fortunately, none of them were yappy.
[01:31:06] <roycroft> oh, the homestead needs to be fenced in too
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[01:31:14] <roycroft> so that the dogs cannot get to the edge of the property
[01:31:28] <roycroft> fence in a couple acres right in the middle and keep them there
[01:31:36] <roycroft> there is a solution for city yippy dogs
[01:31:37] <roycroft> muzzles
[01:31:49] <roycroft> but that would be cruel
[01:31:50] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: smoothbore or rifled?
[01:32:04] <roycroft> and since it's not the dogs' fault i would not advocate for that
[01:32:15] <roycroft> take them away and let them play
[01:32:25] <furrywolf> there used to be a BIG wolf/malamute/something where I used to live, that'd wander around the entire city... he liked hiking down to the beach, about a mile away... sometimes you'd see him jogging along roads, sometimes a whole city over... always happy, always wanting to say hi and get pet.
[01:32:44] <furrywolf> he only lived to about six though. that's a problem with big dogs. :(
[01:32:50] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[01:33:01] <SpeedEvil> They only get to ~30 tops
[01:33:13] <furrywolf> ?
[01:33:34] <SpeedEvil> Friend of mine is getting a australian blue cattledog - as an assistance animal. Random wierd pain syndromes aren't fun.
[01:33:36] <roycroft> the frequency and volume of the bark is inversely proportional to the size of the dog
[01:34:37] <furrywolf> there were a lot of nice dogs where I used to live... and, like most rural areas, no one would ever think of chaining them, so they'd all wander around.
[01:35:13] <SpeedEvil> Well socialised dogs are rarely a problem
[01:35:17] <furrywolf> there was a racing hound that would happily trot alongside your car at 25mph trying to get you to reach out the window and pet her.
[01:35:23] <SpeedEvil> hah
[01:35:39] <roycroft> i'm not a fan of dogs
[01:35:46] <roycroft> i don't ever want to own one
[01:35:49] <furrywolf> I am a fan of dogs. :P
[01:35:49] <roycroft> i have cats
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[01:36:05] <roycroft> but i have nothing against people responsibly owning dogs
[01:36:26] <roycroft> i think they're generally inapproriate for cities, as most city lots are too small for a dog to comfortably live
[01:36:31] <furrywolf> I don't currently have the time and space for a dog... well, actually, now that it seems like I'm useless and can't work, I probably do have the time... but not the space. a dog needs to be able to run free, and there's too many reasons here one shouldn't.
[01:37:05] <roycroft> an acre is probably the smallest lot size that can happily sustain an active dog
[01:37:23] <roycroft> so if you want a dog, go live in the country
[01:37:49] <roycroft> if you want a yippy dog (or two), go live in buttfuck egypt
[01:37:55] <roycroft> because even the country won't tolerate you
[01:37:59] <furrywolf> lol
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[01:39:35] <furrywolf> I might end up with a dog... the wife of the family next door is getting increasingly crazy, and trying to make the husband get rid of his absolutely perfect, wonderful, sweet dog... I told him I'd take it if she did force him.
[01:39:53] <furrywolf> she's a level of crazy rarely encountered.
[01:39:56] <SpeedEvil> :/
[01:40:12] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're in historical novels.
[01:40:18] <PetefromTn_> Keep your head down man ;)
[01:40:26] <SpeedEvil> 'Ignore the screaming, she's been locked in the attic for 12 years now'
[01:40:54] <furrywolf> as an example, two weeks ago, she drove up in her big, loud dodge truck... then leaned against it swearing at the top of her lungs about how her husband wasn't there.
[01:41:29] <PetefromTn_> maybe she is just misunderstood?
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[01:41:31] <furrywolf> when he came out, she started screaming "YOU KNOW WHAT MY TRUCK SOUNDS LIKE! WHEN YOU HEAR MY TRUCK COMING, YOU __WILL__ GET THE FUCK OUT HERE AND WAIT ON ME BEFORE I FINISH PARKING!!!" etc for fifteen minutes...
[01:42:04] <furrywolf> she hates the dog because "THE DOG IS FUCKING LAZY JUST LIKE YOU AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING USEFUL" etc.
[01:42:41] <SpeedEvil> She sounds like a charming, cultured lady.
[01:43:02] <furrywolf> she believes having the dog is just a waste of time and money and it should be dumped in the river. that's why I told him I'd take the dog...
[01:43:12] <SpeedEvil> If you hate someone that much - don't yell at them in the street - fucking leave
[01:43:58] <PetefromTn_> sounds like the guy might be afraid for his life heh
[01:44:45] <SpeedEvil> Italian greyhounds are awesome.
[01:45:01] <PetefromTn_> anything Italian is awesome.... ;)
[01:45:16] <Tom_itx> yeah i have a mineature one
[01:45:25] <Tom_itx> wouldn't trade it for anything
[01:45:40] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: organised crime?
[01:46:03] <PetefromTn_> guess that depends on your point of view LOL
[01:46:04] <furrywolf> organized crime is more than just italian. a lot of mexican organized crime around here....
[01:46:09] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/misc/puppy2.jpg
[01:46:15] <Tom_itx> they're bigger now
[01:46:32] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a beagle
[01:46:38] <Tom_itx> the one on top is
[01:47:13] <furrywolf> lol
[01:47:57] <furrywolf> my doggy passed away about 15 years ago... http://fw.bushytails.net/jenny01.jpg
[01:49:06] <Tom_itx> they're not a bit spoiled
[01:50:07] <furrywolf> when she was young(ish), she really liked climbing... we'd go to the beach and she'd climb rocks that rock climbers were using to practice on. sometimes she'd try to lick their faces when they couldn't move a hand to defend themselves.
[01:50:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[01:51:11] <furrywolf> she'd climb them by tucking all her legs against her body, then one at a time moving them up to the next toehold, just like a rock climber... and she had very flexible toes so she could get her claws in the tiniest cracks and hold on.
[01:51:16] <PetefromTn_> ya know I love my dog and he is an AMAZINGLY beautiful dog. But he is a Pain in the ass an awful lot.
[01:51:41] <furrywolf> she tried redwood trees a few times, but quickly learned the flaky bark wasn't nearly as safe as rocks.
[01:51:59] <furrywolf> people did NOT expect to see a dog 20ft up a sheer rock wall. :)
[01:52:06] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/N5jOa2n.jpg
[01:52:24] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/hFC8BeB.jpg
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[01:52:50] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: could she get down OK?
[01:52:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: yep
[01:53:49] <furrywolf> when we went to the beach, she'd also dig herself tunnels to sleep in when it was hot out... nice burrowing instinct there. she'd walk around until she found a grass-topped dune, then tunnel under the roots, which made a nice strong roof.
[01:53:50] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/OcYPP7h.jpg
[01:54:09] <PetefromTn_> He's a real pain in the ass but we love him hehehe
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[01:55:47] <furrywolf> she was some percentage timber wolf, which I've been told by a few people explained the tunnels and the climbing.
[01:58:55] <furrywolf> wolfdogs are pretty popular around here, even though they're technically illegal. yay government.
[02:00:17] <furrywolf> we rescued her as a puppy. someone got her, didn't figure on a wolfdog puppy having any energy (they wanted a dog for an apartment), then took her to out vet to have her put down (!). the vet told them to get the fuck out of his office, then tried giving her away. we were in there for another pet, and kept her.
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[04:24:33] <t12> http://www.ebay.com/itm/9336-Lot-Of-100-Niagara-End-Mills-5-16-X-3-8-X-3-4-35100-HSS4-100-Pieces-/391205800689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b15aecaf1
[04:24:38] <t12> thats sure alot of end mills
[04:25:24] <t12> used once to cut plastic is pretty specific
[04:25:58] <furrywolf> "used once because they were too dull to be used twice"?
[04:26:07] <t12> i bought a smaller lot from them
[04:26:13] <t12> looked nearly unused
[04:27:05] <furrywolf> if they mean every endmill was used once, my assumption would be they were cutting something abrasive, and they replaced them instead of sharpening them.
[04:27:33] <furrywolf> I can't imagine why else you'd use a hundred endmills once instead of one a hundred times. lol
[04:27:39] <t12> same
[04:27:44] <t12> coating is intact on cutting edge
[04:27:48] <t12> some plastic residue floating around
[04:27:51] <t12> i guess i should do some test cuts
[04:28:51] <furrywolf> unless they were doing something where they needed very, very clean cuts, and were getting paid so well for the job that they could afford to toss the cutter after every piece just to be sure...
[04:29:30] <t12> in which case theres 1k nice endmills for sale for $1.5 ea
[04:29:44] <furrywolf> lol
[04:30:03] <furrywolf> I need to work on other parts of my machine before I stock up on cutters.
[04:30:07] <furrywolf> for example, a vise would be nice.
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[04:35:45] <furrywolf> bbl
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[06:50:20] <just_pink> hi
[06:51:45] <just_pink> It was loong day..
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[07:00:14] <Deejay> moin
[07:02:59] <just_pink> morning
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[07:05:41] <Deejay> hi just
[07:05:45] <Deejay> hi just_pink
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[07:12:59] <just_pink> Deejay: [02:51] <just_pink> It was loong day..
[07:13:17] <just_pink> I need to order screws :(
[07:13:44] <Deejay> then do it :)
[07:15:32] <just_pink> i have bag full of nuts ans star washers bot without any data about the thread..
[07:16:38] <archivist> measure, try known bolts
[07:17:08] <just_pink> I think It's 10-32
[07:17:30] <just_pink> I wish I have a tester for threads
[07:18:57] <archivist> I found one on ebay had fun restoring it http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/lamp_screw.php
[07:19:54] <archivist> I dont have the accessory for internal threads though
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[07:23:37] <just_pink> I want to orde several screws from each thread that exsist.
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[07:24:42] <archivist> that is a tall order, there are some rare threads you wont see, and some were specific to the maker
[07:25:33] <just_pink> I mean all the common
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[07:27:40] <archivist> get some thread gauges
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[07:30:27] <just_pink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-W-WALL-MOUNTED-THREAD-CHECKER-SWTC-WM1-/321137442961?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[07:32:07] <archivist> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-Thread-Measuring-Gage-Metric-and-Whitworth-Screw-Pitch-60-Degree-55-/321786635306
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[07:34:14] <archivist> this one for american thread despite the incorrect title http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGLISH-SCREW-PITCH-GAGE-4-84-US-60-THREAD-51-BLADES-/331320676796
[07:34:53] <archivist> and it has thinned down to fit in nuts
[07:35:24] <just_pink> but screw with same tpi will look the same.
[07:35:53] <just_pink> this is why I want to order any screw
[07:38:11] <archivist> I need boxes of bolts,screws and nuts as well as gauges
[07:39:21] <archivist> most kits of fasteners only have popular sizes hence the need to have a gauge to check the rare specials
[07:40:48] <just_pink> I'm order any thread that fastenal have
[07:44:17] <just_pink> I'vesent you in PM
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[08:36:33] <andypugh-iPhone> Is it just me? Nothing from the mailing list for 5 days?
[08:37:01] <archivist> sourceforge has had a hugh fsck up in their datacenter
[08:38:05] <archivist> http://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-infrastructure-and-service-restoration/
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[08:40:43] <Valen> ouch
[08:41:12] <Valen> they don't actually say what went wrong though :-<
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[08:42:53] <just_pink> Insted to make the stak light I've buy one
[08:43:10] <just_pink> just 3 color, red yellow green.
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[08:43:44] <just_pink> some oe know about stack light controller?
[08:43:48] <just_pink> one*
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[08:45:57] <just_pink> anonimasu: OQO
[08:46:11] <just_pink> opss
[08:48:25] <just_pink> ?
[08:48:35] <just_pink> Deejay: archivist ?
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[09:32:31] <trentster> howdy all, anyone here used SCHEEBERGER Linear rails? If so opinion on quality?
[09:32:52] <archivist> never heard of them
[09:33:06] <trentster> https://www.schneeberger.com/en/products/linear-bearing-and-profiled-guideways/profiled-miniature-guideway/minirail-mini-x/
[09:33:42] <malcom2073> trentster: I have a set of them sitting in my garage waiting to go on a machine heh, haven't used them yet though
[09:34:06] <XXCoder> new one to me
[09:34:08] <trentster> malcom2073: really - thats interesting, whats the movement of the carriages feel like?
[09:34:12] <malcom2073> Two 2.6 meter rails, and two 900mm rails
[09:34:27] <trentster> malcom2073: you buy new or used?
[09:34:36] <malcom2073> Feels smooth and tight
[09:34:36] <malcom2073> used
[09:34:45] <trentster> if new what was the pricing live vs Hiwin stuff?
[09:35:07] <trentster> what width rails did you get?
[09:35:10] <malcom2073> 30mm
[09:35:48] <malcom2073> Be careful of Hywin, there are a lot of clones that are *really* shitty. If you buy real ones I hear they're not bad though
[09:36:54] <trentster> yeah I think I am going to pull the trigger on the scheebergers, I am sure they will be a hell of a lot better than my current supportedchinese rails on the Z axis
[09:38:04] <trentster> At the moment I am a bit torn about building something from scratch with these rails vs buying a complete unit like a used THK KR33 actuator - opinions?
[09:38:44] <archivist> my machine is mostly second hand crap
[09:38:54] <malcom2073> I love the complete units, I build machines out of them
[09:38:54] <XXCoder> mines first ahnd crap lol
[09:38:59] <XXCoder> *hand
[09:39:23] <malcom2073> I'd say if a used actuator does what you need, no reason to buiild your own
[09:40:15] <malcom2073> Be aware, those actuators (and others like them) are not as sturdy as a set of rails
[09:40:33] <malcom2073> Unless you get the ones that have 15mm thk rails inside :)
[09:40:56] <XXCoder> you start with screwdriver and raw materials. complete an awesome mill.
[09:41:02] <XXCoder> no tool buying allowed
[09:41:10] <malcom2073> XXCoder: pass :P
[09:41:14] <trentster> yeah I am tired of building stuff for the machine and fixing it, I think I have reached the point where I am more interested in just making stuff. Its a hard choice as I can get 6 rails and 12 carriages for the price of 1 x used THK Actuator
[09:41:32] <malcom2073> What length are you looking at?
[09:41:37] <malcom2073> IAI and Parker used actuators are nice too
[09:42:06] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah it'd be tough
[09:42:15] <malcom2073> And where are you getting 6 rails and two carriages for $200?
[09:42:17] <XXCoder> maybe easier if buying motors is allowed lol
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[09:42:51] <trentster> 12 carriages
[09:42:56] <malcom2073> sorry, 12. Still
[09:43:38] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/sLxh83DTAUADmKMt5FMAqp6RUEtRlX
[09:43:59] <malcom2073> Nice
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[09:44:56] <XXCoder> sbr rails on side interesting
[09:45:13] <XXCoder> wouldnt it be stronger if force is directed towards supports
[09:50:56] <trentster> malcom2073: actually not nice - its a bit big and bulky - supported rails are bulky
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[09:51:24] <malcom2073> True, but slides aren't much less bulkier, they're just significantly sturdier
[09:51:46] <malcom2073> You want bulky anyway, bulk means strength (sometimes)
[09:53:11] <SpeedEvil> More rigidity almost always
[09:54:48] <trentster> you think I did the right thing by making the sliding part of the Z -the taller part with the rails atatched?
[09:55:30] <trentster> 90% of the way most people do it is the other way around with just the ballscrew coupled to smaller plate
[09:56:05] <trentster> it seems more rigid this way at the detriment of the stepper having to work much harder to lift itself and the rails and big plate with every Z movement
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[09:58:02] <trentster> XXCoder: hows your build coming along? did you get your linuxcnc PC up?
[09:58:23] <XXCoder> trentster: still havent gotten hard drive for pc but no worries I still has laptop lol
[09:58:39] <XXCoder> it was too hot to build my machine this weekend but got everything ready.
[09:59:23] <trentster> XXCoder: you should boot off the live cd in the interim and run the latency tests and see what kind of scores that pc of yours gets
[09:59:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:01:42] <trentster> malcom2073: archivist my above question? if I rebuild the Z do you reccomend swapping that configuration around?
[10:02:04] <trentster> namely rails attacked to non moving part of Z?
[10:05:21] <SpeedEvil> In principle more mass on the z axis is a good thing for smoothing out cutting forces
[10:05:45] <SpeedEvil> If you can handle that mass of course
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[10:10:11] <trentster> SpeedEvil: thanks - I thought so. I kinda handle it but have to reduce my Z axis rapid speeds or I will have to get a more powerful nema 23 for Z
[10:11:24] <SpeedEvil> More variable mass at an elevation of course loads x and y too
[10:12:17] <trentster> really?
[10:12:48] <trentster> oh yes of course weight wise
[10:17:01] <SpeedEvil> And lever wise. Moving a mass next to the axis slides vs 30cm up
[10:19:55] <trentster> SpeedEvil: I am not with you - please clarify what you mean?
[10:20:17] <trentster> Are you saying it would be better t have the same heavy weight with a lower center of gravity?
[10:21:02] <SpeedEvil> No, just that high cog does mean torques under rapid x\y
[10:23:44] <trentster> ok I bought them - I hope it was a good buy ;-) http://monosnap.com/image/ZQqcMkz3YLA8MQHf3oSfNJpa3LF4xw
[10:26:16] <trentster> The cnc obsession continues!
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[13:06:49] <cradek> lair82: your report doesn't say explicitly so I want to make sure: did you test 2.6.5 and it did not have the problem? i.e. the problem first occurs in 2.6.6?
[13:07:08] <cradek> lair82: (you explicitly say 2.6.4 does not have the problem and 2.6.6 does)
[13:10:43] <lair82> Yes, it did not occur until 2.6.6. I tried every release in 2.6, and it did not occur until 2.6.6, and is in every release thereafter.
[13:10:58] <cradek> ok thanks
[13:11:21] <cradek> that's only 65 changes
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[13:13:32] <lair82> Yep, all my turning centers were running 2.6.4, I updated the one to the current 2.6.8, and immediately noticed the problem, went back to 2.6.4 to verify that it was something maybe we just never noticed, and that definitely wasn't the case, there is a delay, checked 2.6.5, no issues, checked 2.6.6, that is where it begins.
[13:14:53] <cradek> well there is only one change to halui between those versions
[13:15:05] <cradek> it looks unlikely to cause this
[13:15:07] <lair82> It will run another 2,3,4,5 lines of g-code depending on how big each move is per line, it is roughly 1 to 1 1/2 seconds on the delay
[13:15:57] <cradek> you could try reverting 149db904c and test that
[13:16:22] <cradek> if that's not it (and I bet it's not) you may have to bisect (which is easy with only 65 changes)
[13:16:33] <lair82> I thought I was losing it for a while, but I have double checked this on 2 different turning centers, and the same problem shows up on each machine.
[13:16:55] <cradek> I believe you that it's real, but that doesn't make me know what the cause is yet :-)
[13:18:29] <lair82> I re-worked my end of the programming, and now am using the motion.feed-inhibit pin instead of the halui pins, and am going to change the other machines as well,
[13:18:49] <lair82> How would I revert?
[13:19:05] <cradek> are you using distributed packages or source builds?
[13:19:26] <lair82> I build from git using the source code,
[13:19:57] <cradek> so you were building the v2.6.5 and v2.6.6 tags for this test?
[13:20:55] <lair82> Yes, I was doing "git checkout v2.6.5" in the linuxcnc-dev directory.
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[13:21:29] <cradek> I'm going to try sim+axis+halui here
[13:23:00] <cradek> halui.program.pause / resume work instantly here in 2.6.8
[13:23:01] <lair82> Ok, I don't know how soon I would be able to get to one of our turning centers to try to diagnose further, they are crazy busy right now, so it may be a day or so. Unless we can sort this out on my test pc in my office.
[13:23:19] <cradek> yeah this is going to have to happen in a sim for it to get fixed
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[13:24:02] <cradek> there are no relevant changes to halui between those releases, and a zillion changes to gmocappy
[13:24:25] <cradek> so considering that and my sim test, I'm suspicious it's not a halui problem
[13:24:46] <cradek> er gmoccapy
[13:26:02] <lair82> I could tell immediately there was an issue, when we pressed the feedhold pushbutton, I have a red panel mount LED next to the PB, it is connected to the halui.program-is-paused output, and it was delaying on turning on when we pushed the button.
[13:26:10] <cradek> great
[13:26:21] <cradek> then you can easily bisect and find it :-)
[13:29:23] <cradek> yeah there are some harrowing commits here, I'm not going to be able to guess the problem. please concentrate on doing a bisect
[13:29:27] <cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect start
[13:29:29] <cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect good v2.6.5
[13:29:32] <cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect bad v2.6.6
[13:29:34] <cradek> Bisecting: 31 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps)
[13:29:38] <cradek> 5 builds at most will find it
[13:31:35] <lair82> [09:31] <+cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect start [09:32] <+cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect good v2.6.5 [09:32] <+cradek> cradek@tetrode:~/emc$ git bisect bad v2.6.6 ,,,,, Those are the commands?
[13:32:01] <lair82> Not your stuff, just the git stuff?
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[13:37:45] <lkc> Hi there, few days ago I started toying with Lcnc and thought I check on this IRC channel
[13:38:25] <lkc> I havent been using irc like 12 years i guess
[13:39:04] <lkc> Just wanted to say hello
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[13:43:41] <SpeedEvil> hey
[13:44:03] <SpeedEvil> It tends to be most active in here from about 2 hours till 12 hours from now.
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[14:06:15] <cradek> lair82: a promising looking google hit for how to bisect: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4713088/how-to-use-git-bisect
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[14:55:18] <Roguish> hey all. guess i've been sleeping for a few days, but what's up with the mailing lists? I haven't received any emails since the 16th ????
[14:55:37] <cradek> sourceforge is all busted
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[14:59:15] <archivist> rather buggered http://sourceforge.net/blog/category/sitestatus/
[15:03:01] <cradek> wonder if the system that ate all their data is the one they migrated to in Dec '14
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[15:09:26] <archivist> and rapidly thinking of getting back off it I hope
[15:09:44] <spline> sourceforge blows
[15:09:50] <spline> my god they fucked up that website
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[15:09:59] <spline> hijacking projects, injecting malware
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[15:19:15] <PetefromTn_> he Malware....why is there even such a thing in the world. Idiots have nothing better to do I guess....
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[15:22:04] <cradek> PetefromTn_: because it's profitable in various ways
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[15:22:41] <PetefromTn_> It must be there sure is enough of it around.... people will find ways to always screw up a good thing I suppose
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[16:38:11] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_jPHnwT54
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[16:42:05] <skunkworks_> gota love it.. http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/maho-600e2-e-stop-relay-hand-control-304503/#post2586331
[16:43:45] <archivist> there is plenty of support!
[16:44:10] <archivist> just live near someone who can help
[16:45:25] <pcw_home> Not sure any non-exact replacement controller is going to be any easier than linuxcnc unless you pay someone else to install it
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[16:49:00] <zeeshan> anyone here clean glass scales before?
[16:49:54] <pcw_home> Ive cleaned glass encoder wheels
[16:52:02] <archivist> I have done an encoder too, carefully, under the microscope
[16:52:31] <zeeshan> can i just blow it with air
[16:53:13] <archivist> might be more crap in your air supply
[16:55:09] <archivist> can be crud on the reader/light source rather than on the scale
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[16:56:20] <zeeshan> hmm
[16:56:29] <zeeshan> i guess only way to find out is do it? :)
[16:56:35] <pcw_home> yeah need to clean the scale and the masks in the reader
[16:56:48] <zeeshan> if i take off the scale
[16:56:52] <zeeshan> it seems like a big mission to clean it
[16:56:53] <lair82> zeeshan, I just did a 120" Fagor glass scale a week ago, clean lint free rags, Q-tips and Denatured Alcohol, good as new now.
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[16:57:03] <zeeshan> does microfiber towels work ?
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[16:57:06] <zeeshan> they are lint free
[16:57:51] <lair82> Probably doesn't matter, just so it's not leaving behind little fibers
[16:58:12] <zeeshan> dfid you have a problem reinstalling the scale?
[16:58:44] <zeeshan> cause it looks like if i remove the scale then it'll be hard to realign it
[16:58:50] <zeeshan> because i won't be able to move the axis
[16:59:12] <lair82> Nope, just have to make sure that the reader is within .005-.010" of parralell both side to side and up and down.
[16:59:24] <zeeshan> howd you ensure that?
[16:59:41] <pcw_home> yeah the reader azimuth adjustment is critical
[16:59:42] <zeeshan> side to side im not worried about
[16:59:51] <zeeshan> because that is already done for me
[16:59:55] <zeeshan> but up and down is adjustable
[17:00:35] <lair82> Place a small dial indicator on the fixed base, next to the reader head as best possible, and jog the table from one end to the other, getting ti dialed in
[17:00:54] <lair82> With the tip riding on top of the scale
[17:01:12] <zeeshan> so iguess you gotta mount the scale pretty damn close first
[17:01:15] <zeeshan> since ull be going it
[17:01:17] <zeeshan> *jogging
[17:01:25] <pcw_home> up and down and side to side are not critical, Azimuth is
[17:02:07] <zeeshan> isopropyl alcohol that you buy in stores
[17:02:08] <lair82> I would check side to side as well, I thought the same thing, and it was out over .030" about half way down, we started getting erroneous following errors, and servo faults just jogging the table 20IPM
[17:02:09] <zeeshan> seems to have oil in it
[17:02:22] <zeeshan> lair82: ah
[17:03:04] <lair82> Fagor recommended Denatured Alcohol for their scales
[17:03:16] <zeeshan> http://dealertraining.cat.com/jobaids/elpdf/eu03dja.pdf
[17:03:46] <pcw_home> if you can measure the analog output of the scale you can adjust for greatest signal
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[17:04:20] <lair82> Looks fair enough.
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[17:05:49] <lair82> They didn't realize when they originally mounted the scale there was crud on the mounting face, then when I cleaned it and the mounting face, it had the .030" run-out, so I had to shim it back in to get to run properly
[17:07:31] <CaptHindsight> you want to clean the scales and leave as little residue as possible, like most optics
[17:08:46] <CaptHindsight> so try to remove the contaminants vs just move them around
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[17:09:59] <lair82> I have a dilemma, we had a PC take a poop last week, machine was about 10 yrs old, been sitting on a turning center all it's life, it has special software on it that communicates with the controllers flawlessly ( Cincinnati Milacron Controls, and their software ) it is DOS based, and I am not sure what OS to put on the new PC I just got done building to replace it. Could I use Ubuntu or Debian to do this? I will post the zip file on
[17:10:08] <lair82> for anyone willing to take a look
[17:11:16] <CaptHindsight> lair82: Linux to run the DOS application?
[17:13:14] <lair82> Here is the link, http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/51-ot-posts/29442-operating-software#60800
[17:13:38] <lair82> I don't know, that's why I am asking.
[17:14:49] <sumpfralle> lair82: it surely requires raw access to peripheral devices, or?
[17:15:31] <CaptHindsight> "DCDNC is intended to be a communications program that runs on an IBM PC compatible personal computer. It's purpose is to allow the operator of a Cincinnati Milacron A850 or A950 CNC to transfer part programs between the CNC and the computer."
[17:16:13] <CaptHindsight> This capability effectively transforms the personal computer into an on- line part program storage and management system for the CNC. "
[17:16:42] <archivist> or something like cat file.ngc>ttyN
[17:16:44] <CaptHindsight> it does this over serial
[17:17:01] <sumpfralle> without hardware access, dosbox would be a reasonable choice, I guess
[17:17:02] <sumpfralle> With hardware access maybe you could take a look at freedos? (I never used this one for similar purposes)
[17:17:08] <lair82> That's why the PC has sat on top of the same machine for almost 10 years
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[17:25:16] <CaptHindsight> freedos is down since "This sourceforge.net website is temporarily offline."
[17:30:03] <PetefromTn_> I was using a DNC freeware program for the Cinci when I first switched it on and it was barely working. The program communicated fine with the machine tho..
[17:31:44] <PetefromTn_> don't know if there is a market for these items, most are still in original boxes. Please let me know if interested. They are collectables. Antique trains from the 1970's most are still in the original boxes and have never been used or opened too much to list but I will be posting pictures in the next week.
[17:31:44] <sumpfralle> CaptHindsight: "freedos.org" ist down due to sourceforge maintenance (just as other project sites) - the project itself should be alive
[17:32:00] <PetefromTn_> someone just posted that on a local for sale list LOL
[17:32:20] <PetefromTn_> I can imagine there are some guys frothing at the mouth right now in anticipation hehehe
[17:32:23] <PetefromTn_> Hilarious
[17:34:32] <PetefromTn_> that would be almost as good as if it said "Vintage Star Wars collectible toys all in the original boxes and have never been used or opened"
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[18:03:49] <lair82> I got freedos burnt to a disc, and is installing now on my pc, see what happens.
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[18:27:22] <lair82> That should install on it's own, then I should be able to use it correct? I can't find any directions on installing and using.
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[18:39:21] <CaptHindsight> sumpfralle: well that certainly shoots down my Gremlins theory :)
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[18:46:40] <rarenickname> I have a file that's been hex dumped then compressed multiple times and I don't know how to decode it to find a password I need
[18:47:04] <cradek> funny story, bro
[18:47:12] <PetefromTn_> heh
[18:47:25] <rarenickname> I don't know I'm new to this :p
[18:48:25] <rarenickname> zcat foobar.bin | bzcat | zcat | tar xO | tar xO | bzcat | tar xO | zcat | file - and that what the I'm supposed to type to get it do give me the password
[18:49:42] <cradek> what on earth are you talking about
[18:50:00] <cradek> and why are you talking about it on #linuxcnc
[18:51:05] <Deejay> 0o
[18:52:25] <rarenickname> lol, I don't know anything about the linux channels and guessed that someone might know about the problem I'm having
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[18:58:44] <_methods> is it a burning sensation when you urinate?
[18:58:50] <_methods> i have that too
[18:59:20] <PetefromTn_> oh hell..
[18:59:38] <Deejay> lol
[18:59:41] <Deejay> ymmd
[18:59:44] <_methods> hahah
[18:59:53] <skunkworks_> I don't pee.. I drink just enough liquid that I sweat it out..
[19:00:21] <_methods> they also make a little blue pill that will take care of some other problems in that area
[19:00:32] <_methods> if the problem is related to taht
[19:00:42] <PetefromTn_> LOL you must work pretty damn hard
[19:00:42] <_methods> oh a password
[19:00:54] <_methods> i guess i should have read back
[19:00:54] <_methods> lol
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[19:18:05] <lair82> skunkworks I think we are all having that problem right now as hot as it is!! ;)
[19:19:12] <SpeedEvil> lair82: yeah. Today it got to 23C outside.
[19:19:15] <SpeedEvil> (Scotland)
[19:19:19] <SpeedEvil> damn hot
[19:21:25] <lair82> Today was only 82F, but sunday was 90F with a heat index of almost 98F, in Toledo Ohio
[19:21:36] <lair82> Wringing Wet sweating
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[19:23:56] <Deejay> lol, "damn hot"
[19:26:47] <furrywolf> it's currently 66F / 19C here... too hot.
[19:28:20] <jdh> 97/118 heat index
[19:30:24] <furrywolf> I was somewhere last week that was 105F... fortunately I was only there for a couple hours, because I was utterly useless, pretty much unable to do anything but sit there drinking icewater... how the heck does anyone live where it gets that hot, much less function?
[19:30:37] <Deejay> hmm, you have a strange sense of warmth
[19:30:43] <jdh> indeed
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[19:31:03] <jdh> I will wait a few hours befor I go biking
[19:32:34] <furrywolf> I live in an area where >70F is considered a heat wave.
[19:33:04] * Deejay freezes below 70F
[19:33:34] <furrywolf> I had the a/c on in my van today. because it was way too hot.
[19:40:04] <SpeedEvil> I had my house mainly at 40F last winter
[19:40:27] <Deejay> try to close the door next time ;)
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[19:40:58] <SpeedEvil> I was heating only one room.
[19:42:38] <Tom_itx> 79°F cool front passing thru
[19:42:43] <Tom_itx> with showers
[19:48:34] <Loetmichel> *GNHA* wife made chicken legs in the oven... and forgot them... "follow the smoke and deactivate the smokedetectors" ... i couldn run fast enough to get to the second after the first one had triggered... $me opens all doors an watches the detectosr blink down... 3 leds.... 2 leds.... 1led... stays there for a while ;)
[19:48:51] <Loetmichel> at least now io know: all 5 detectors work ;)
[19:50:57] <XXCoder> lol
[19:51:00] <Loetmichel> ... LOUD that ;)
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[20:48:57] <furrywolf> Loetmichel: they're not smoke detectors... they're timers! when they beep, the food is done. :)
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[20:49:05] <XXCoder> lol
[20:50:04] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: you mean: done for... whats left ion the oven is pure carbon... its clean as after a pyrolyse cycle ;-)
[20:51:06] <furrywolf> lol
[20:51:17] <furrywolf> if that's the case, you need better smoke detectors!
[20:51:22] <XXCoder> compact it and you get nice diamonds
[20:51:33] <XXCoder> might need to hire superman though
[20:54:45] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: the detectors started secods after wife opened the kitchen door
[20:55:08] <Loetmichel> landlord did NOT install a detector in the kitchen... he knows why ;)
[20:55:58] <XXCoder> lol
[20:56:06] <furrywolf> lol
[20:57:24] <furrywolf> grrrr. UPS forgot my package at a location. AGAIN.
[20:57:44] <zeeshan> doh
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[20:57:52] <zeeshan> fuck you sump pump!!
[20:58:16] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf starting to wonder if you might have pissed off your UPS guy at some point hehe
[20:58:52] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: seeing as the first time they lost this package was around 3000 miles away, that's unlikely.
[20:59:08] <PetefromTn_> just sayin' ;)
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[21:12:34] <Tom_itx> http://media.graytvinc.com/images/235_flood.jpg
[21:12:38] <Tom_itx> wonder what Noah felt like
[21:13:05] <zeeshan> furrywolf: gimme a generator
[21:13:07] <zeeshan> i want portable powerrrrrrrrr
[21:13:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, gonna hook it to your bicycle and use pedal power?
[21:13:26] <zeeshan> haha
[21:13:27] <zeeshan> no
[21:13:29] <zeeshan> gasoline my friend
[21:13:31] <zeeshan> GASOLINE
[21:13:32] <zeeshan> HC
[21:13:37] <zeeshan> co2
[21:13:38] <zeeshan> yea!!
[21:13:44] * zeeshan is a little excited
[21:13:44] <Deejay> gn8
[21:13:52] <Tom_itx> gn9
[21:13:59] <cradek> go home, you're drunk
[21:14:06] <zeeshan> i love gasoline
[21:14:09] <zeeshan> long live gasoline
[21:14:12] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan is gets excited pretty easily it seems hehe
[21:14:12] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you been whiffin fumes again?
[21:14:13] <zeeshan> gasoline gives me 800whp
[21:14:14] <cradek> stop sniffing gasoline
[21:14:31] <Tom_itx> or you got a mouse in your pocket?
[21:14:33] <zeeshan> no i actually conquered a fear today
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[21:14:40] <zeeshan> i was afraid of the sump area of the house
[21:14:54] <zeeshan> motor was huming cause its fried
[21:15:17] <zeeshan> the sump area isn't as scary as i thought it would be
[21:15:25] <zeeshan> its just a plastic tube thats about 3 feet dep
[21:15:34] <zeeshan> i thought it was like one of those 20 ft wells
[21:15:41] <Tom_itx> just like a trash bucket
[21:15:41] <zeeshan> where a witch would come out of
[21:15:44] <zeeshan> yes
[21:15:44] <Tom_itx> with a lid
[21:15:57] <PetefromTn_> WTF is a sump area of a house ?
[21:16:03] <Tom_itx> no just snakes
[21:16:08] <zeeshan> http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/24854752.jpg
[21:16:12] <zeeshan> this is what i imagined it to be
[21:16:17] <zeeshan> that is some scary shit.
[21:16:19] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i've got 2 sumps in my basement
[21:16:26] <Tom_itx> one for runoff and one for wastewater
[21:16:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: water collets
[21:17:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't have a basement and none of the houses we had in florida did either so not really familiar I guess
[21:17:19] <Tom_itx> water table isn't suitable for it probably
[21:17:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: mostr of florida is a swamp
[21:17:32] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:17:51] <PetefromTn_> not the parts I lived in heh
[21:18:06] <PetefromTn_> but yeah quite a bit of it is..
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[21:20:38] <PetefromTn_> got a little engraving job to do here
[21:21:19] <PetefromTn_> and got another one from one of the guys who works for my customer possibly hehe he asked me about it when I was walking out to my van LOL
[21:21:35] <zeeshan> whatcha engraving
[21:22:08] <PetefromTn_> just a logo
[21:23:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, this is a well: http://www.bigwell.org/
[21:25:06] <Tom_itx> the stairs and cover were rebuilt after the tornado that took out the whole town
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[21:27:46] <PetefromTn_> Can't imagine why anyone would want to live in tornado alley really.. but hell I want to live in florida where they have hurricanes LOL
[21:28:51] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Kansas#/media/File:Greensburg_kansas_tornado.jpg
[21:29:29] <Tom_itx> may be the widest one on record, i'm not sure
[21:29:32] <Tom_itx> 1.7 mi wide
[21:30:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah that does not look like much fun... at least with hurricanes you can have a hurricane party ;)
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[21:39:39] <Tom_itx> we've gotten about 2" of rain in the last couple hours
[21:40:34] <Tom_itx> nice 5 o'clock drive home :D
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[21:41:56] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: water table is no hindrance to a basement
[21:42:01] <Loetmichel> just makes it expensive
[21:42:41] <Tom_itx> that's why they don't do it in those places
[21:42:51] <Loetmichel> neighbor of my mothers new guy (they live in an area in germany which has the water table 30cm beneath the surface) has done it
[21:42:56] <PetefromTn_> sure makes diggin the hole a bitch LOL
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[21:44:28] <Loetmichel> the diggers simply rammed some walls into the ground, got some big pumps, digged the hole for the basement, oured a "basement box" in one pour of conrete, put the cables and tubes in and sealed them, put the dirt back around the huse and then pulled the walls out ;)
[21:45:13] <Loetmichel> and THEN started bricklaying the first and second floor ;)
[21:45:18] <Loetmichel> and the roof
[21:45:55] <Loetmichel> ya know these steel wall segments that are like a trapezidoal wave?
[21:46:38] <Tom_itx> also used in bridge construction
[21:47:13] <Loetmichel> its really simple if you have the tech... or the money to rent it ;)
[21:47:58] <PetefromTn_> everything is simple with enough money and hydraulics :D
[21:48:01] <Loetmichel> and as basements in germany are made of concrete most of the time anyways it was just ramming the walls around the house and the pumps as a difference
[21:48:44] <Loetmichel> and the fact that they used "watertight" concrete and did it in one pour so no joints that can start to leak
[21:50:36] <Tom_itx> similar to pouring grain elevators or water tower bases.. all one pour
[21:52:10] <Loetmichel> i HAVE heard of some houses swimming away after a flood at some rivers
[21:52:16] <Loetmichel> but thats was YEARS ago
[21:52:30] <Loetmichel> i think they learned their lesson by now ;)
[21:52:59] <Loetmichel> you shouldnt think that 300 tons of concrete and stuff can swim...
[21:53:10] <Loetmichel> ... they can :-)
[21:53:13] <PetefromTn_> In Florida we had a customer we were working on their house and they had a big in ground pool
[21:53:26] <PetefromTn_> they had a bunch of flooding recently
[21:53:51] <PetefromTn_> and the pool overflowed a bit so they decided to drain it some to clean up after the storms
[21:54:10] <PetefromTn_> the entire pool lifted up out of the ground including the decking around it
[21:54:13] <Loetmichel> let me guess: the house has risen?
[21:54:30] <Loetmichel> ah, only the pool ;)
[21:54:31] <PetefromTn_> then the silt/dirt sort of fell back into the hole around the edges
[21:55:00] <Loetmichel> so they had to destroy the pool and poour a new one?
[21:55:01] <PetefromTn_> so the entire pool sat about eight inches higher and the entire deck around the pool was off the ground by that much
[21:55:28] <PetefromTn_> yup totally wasted the pool
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[21:55:52] <PetefromTn_> they wound up crushing it with a piece of heavy equipment crushing in the walls and then filled it in with dirt
[21:55:59] <PetefromTn_> so no more pool in that yard
[21:56:06] <PetefromTn_> it was a NICE pool too...
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[21:56:42] <PetefromTn_> it was remarkable to see such a large concrete pool basically floating on a pocket of water underneath it.
[21:56:58] <PetefromTn_> it was still almost half full inside it too...
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[22:00:09] <Loetmichel> the dutch drive that to the top: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omDorrwtK10
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[22:09:19] <zeeshan> lair82: when you pulled the reader head out
[22:09:23] <zeeshan> did it need a lot of force to pull out?
[22:09:30] <zeeshan> i got the end caps off
[22:09:37] <zeeshan> but the reader head wont come off
[22:09:47] <zeeshan> im pulled with maybe 5lb force
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[22:13:33] <DaViruz> https://d2rhdy377k7eul.cloudfront.net/assets/xcarve/slide-spindle-225bca2830cfdfc5429dbb3aa976f3bb.jpg
[22:13:41] <DaViruz> those spindle bearings look mighty sturdy
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