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[00:00:11] <unfy> that's a rage thing
[00:01:15] <PetefromTn_> actually it is probably NOT the customers fault it appears that the manufacturer has made a subtle change to the product and they did not really know it. Neither did I until I tried to fit it into my machined parts.
[00:01:40] <PetefromTn_> I left .03 all around it but that was not enough apparently so just changed the drawing and program
[00:01:56] <unfy> oh, the mfr knew it. if you tried to get replacement parts, you'd undoubtedly have to specify which version etc
[00:02:02] <PetefromTn_> if it was a LOT different it really could have screwed me here. I would have to change the whole damn part.
[00:02:20] <PetefromTn_> and made a new fixture
[00:02:25] <PetefromTn_> and reprogrammed the whole thing
[00:02:27] <_methods> nothing like building to a sample.........the wrong sample lol
[00:02:38] <PetefromTn_> and threw away a couple hundred bucks worth of aluminum
[00:02:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right
[00:02:58] <PetefromTn_> they were cool about it tho.
[00:02:59] <unfy> and depending on how much of a dick you wanted to be, you could easily tell your client "you ordered parts for A. i made parts for A. parts for B will require you to buy new stuff - albeit at a heavy discount"
[00:03:16] <PetefromTn_> they even said they would help pay for new materials when we THOUGHT it was fubar.
[00:04:03] <PetefromTn_> thankfully it is just that the pocket needs to be larger on both pieces and there is thankfully enough material there to allow that.
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[00:04:15] <PetefromTn_> it might actually make the part lighter which is always nice.
[00:04:35] <PetefromTn_> I did not need the stomach ache from worrying about it today tho LOL.
[00:04:48] <unfy> hehe
[00:05:13] <PetefromTn_> These guys have several more custom parts products they want me to make so I would have taken care of it regardless they are nice to work with.
[00:05:30] <unfy> that's always a plus :D
[00:05:49] <unfy> i do know that when a place takes care of me, i'll shop there reguardless usually
[00:05:57] <PetefromTn_> right now I have a bunch of parts that have to be RE-machined tho hopefully I can get them done tonight while watching TV and get back on track tomorrow.
[00:06:16] <unfy> (there's a plastics company in town that treated me right etc)
[00:07:39] <PetefromTn_> Today some friends came over and I showed them my kids Quadcopter toy. We flew the crap out of that little bastard earlier... Then we got on the subject of a custom built quad copter again and I THINK I am screwed in that light.....I am gonna HAVE TO HAVE ONE!!! LOL
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[00:08:56] <unfy> have a few friends that have been building them from kits and stuff... they seem to enjoy'em a lot
[00:09:54] <PetefromTn_> even this little toy is amazing really.
[00:10:01] <PetefromTn_> it hovers effortlessly
[00:10:08] <PetefromTn_> and climbs very quickly
[00:10:16] <PetefromTn_> it can rotate left or right
[00:10:29] <PetefromTn_> it can pitch forward, backwards, and left or right
[00:10:33] <PetefromTn_> which basically means
[00:10:42] <PetefromTn_> it can go basically anywhere you want to go
[00:11:01] <PetefromTn_> if you are steady on the control it is surprisingly smooth and steady
[00:11:16] <PetefromTn_> and if you want to rip around doing loops and flips it will do that all day long too
[00:11:28] <PetefromTn_> I never would have thought it would be this controllable.
[00:11:44] <PetefromTn_> after watching many youtube videos of them there is one I really like
[00:11:51] <PetefromTn_> it is called a QAV400
[00:12:03] <PetefromTn_> and there are free frame plans online you can download
[00:12:14] <PetefromTn_> so I can try to machine one here on the VMC
[00:12:20] <PetefromTn_> which alone would be fun
[00:13:10] <PetefromTn_> trying to decide what to make it from most are carbon sheet or fiberglass sheet
[00:13:18] <PetefromTn_> which is both nasty stuff to machine really
[00:13:42] <PetefromTn_> the commercial made ones have aluminum rotor spars and CF frames
[00:14:21] <PetefromTn_> the big purchase here tho is the Remote control unit and transmitter, most of them are several hundred bucks..
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[00:22:24] <Tom_itx> where are the plans/
[00:22:25] <Tom_itx> ?
[00:24:06] <Tom_itx> nm.. found
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[00:26:37] <PetefromTn_> http://untestedprototype.com/2014/06/r-400-fpv-quad-plans/
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[00:27:48] <Tom_itx> what did he make his out of
[00:28:35] <PetefromTn_> I think it is CF
[00:28:45] <Tom_itx> it looks heavy
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[00:29:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree it kinda does but keep in mind it is 400mm between rotors
[00:29:28] <PetefromTn_> and was designed to use an 8-10 inch prop apparently
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[00:30:54] <PetefromTn_> The plates are ideally milled from 1.5mm fibreglass or carbon fibre, while the arms and legs are intended to be milled from 6mm fibreglass.
[00:31:20] <Tom_itx> is fiberglass heavier than carbonfiber?
[00:31:30] <PetefromTn_> The arms use the same mounting pattern as the popular QAV400/500, allowing builders to source high quality extruded aluminium or fibreglass arms and an assortment of leg solutions from various places around the world.
[00:31:51] <PetefromTn_> I would think so depending on the thickness
[00:32:13] <PetefromTn_> the G10 or whatever is pretty dense stuff and nasty to machine really
[00:32:28] <Tom_itx> i know of a guy that built one using aluminum and he was constantly bending it
[00:32:47] <PetefromTn_> you would not believe the video some of these things have captured tho. amazing stuff really.
[00:33:07] <PetefromTn_> I am sure
[00:33:33] <PetefromTn_> I would love to be able to make it from 1/8 inch plate or something cheap but it probably would kinda suck if/when you crash it.
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[00:37:03] <Tom_itx> wonder how thick the carbon fiber its
[00:37:04] <Tom_itx> is
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[00:38:37] <PetefromTn_> 1.5mm according to that.
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[00:41:11] <SpeedEvil> That is a _terrible_ design
[00:41:50] <SpeedEvil> How on earth you expect that to be anything other than floppy, I dunno
[00:42:22] <PetefromTn_> do you have a lot of experience with quadcopters?
[00:42:24] <SpeedEvil> Specifically - it's relying on the rigidity of the beams
[00:42:41] <SpeedEvil> And not the beams being vertically tall
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[00:43:18] <SpeedEvil> If you mill the base out of 12mm ply, it'd likely be more rigid
[00:43:34] <SpeedEvil> Simply due to its height
[00:44:57] <SpeedEvil> And no - I was just addressing the design.
[00:45:38] <PetefromTn_> well be that as it may there are MANY youtube videos showing some impressive flights with the same basic design
[00:46:08] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying if you use a ridid enough plate that it can't be made to work
[00:46:38] <Tom_itx> machine it from Ti
[00:49:04] <PetefromTn_> a lot of the design is to house the motors and electronics of course but there is also a lot of discussion about vibration dampening. That may be why it is designed the way it is? I have not idea just making an observation
[00:49:43] <SpeedEvil> Oh wikipedia. I don't think that word means what you think it does.
[00:49:45] <SpeedEvil> 'Approximate (to 6 significant digits) specific stiffness for various species of wood[50]'
[00:51:41] <Tom_itx> the frame is extremely stiff due to the materials chosen and construction methods applied. This model uses black anodized, milled aluminum arms
[00:51:57] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_modulus is useful - the number you care about for beams where the vertical height is unconstrained, but the weight is not - is youngs modulus / density^3
[00:52:04] <Tom_itx> body is G10
[00:52:06] <Tom_itx> whatever that is
[00:52:15] <Tom_itx> probably a carbon fiber
[00:53:05] <SpeedEvil> Spruce may be several times better than CF - simply as it's lower density
[00:53:05] <Tom_itx> FR4
[00:53:17] <Tom_itx> so it's not cf
[00:53:24] <PetefromTn_> we machined a bunch of G10 at the shop I worked in
[00:53:25] <_methods> yeah pcb magterial
[00:53:26] <Tom_itx> same as circut board
[00:53:31] <PetefromTn_> it is nasty stuff really
[00:53:33] <Tom_itx> i got plenty of that
[00:53:45] <PetefromTn_> really? Send me some LOL
[00:53:54] <_methods> hehe
[00:54:00] <_methods> copper clad both sides plz
[00:54:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper2.jpg
[00:54:07] <Tom_itx> _methods, it is
[00:54:20] <_methods> oh wow you do have a pile of it
[00:54:28] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper3.jpg
[00:54:30] <_methods> i'll be right there
[00:54:32] <Tom_itx> and a few sheets
[00:54:39] <PetefromTn_> what thickness?
[00:54:43] <Tom_itx> .062
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[00:54:52] <XXCoder1> copper
[00:55:14] <PetefromTn_> thats probably too thin and the copper plating is not desirable for this application
[00:55:19] <Tom_itx> funny, i got rid of most of it
[00:55:26] <Tom_itx> we had about 2 pickups full
[00:55:28] <_methods> wut?
[00:55:35] <_methods> you could have sold it on ebay
[00:55:39] <Tom_itx> tried
[00:55:43] <_methods> really?
[00:55:50] <Tom_itx> several years back
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[00:56:09] <_methods> i buy mine from some guy in mass. on ebay
[00:56:27] <_methods> he sells small cut up pieces
[00:56:36] <_methods> 6x6 or so
[00:56:41] <Tom_itx> that first pic was just part of the cutoff we picked up off the boardhouse floor
[00:56:44] <_methods> 12x12
[00:56:52] <PetefromTn_> wait a minute... actually that is 1.5mm LOL
[00:57:04] <Tom_itx> sounds about right
[00:57:06] <_methods> yeah .o6
[00:57:15] <_methods> 1mm is approx .04"
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[00:57:17] <PetefromTn_> damn you got the quadcopter mother lode.
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[00:57:54] <Tom_itx> i'm gettin kinda tired of stubbing my toe on it
[00:57:56] <_methods> hehe you won't need wires just cut traces
[00:58:34] <PetefromTn_> exactly that would be sweet
[00:58:36] <_methods> don't they make those miniflies like that
[00:58:42] <_methods> just put it all on a pcb?
[00:59:05] <PetefromTn_> if you watch the videos the factory made ones actually have solderable traces for some of the electronics on the base plates.
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[00:59:38] <Tom_itx> i think that's 2oz copper but i honestly can't remember
[00:59:54] <_methods> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2013/02/25/quadcopter-in-a-5x5cm-pcb/
[00:59:57] <PetefromTn_> probably would not affect the weight all that much really but I dunno
[01:00:03] <Tom_itx> it works whenever i need a board
[01:00:40] <PetefromTn_> with four 8-9 inch probs and that kinda power it would probably be negligible difference in performance
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[01:01:57] <_methods> oh crazyflie is the one i was thinking about
[01:01:59] <_methods> http://www.bitcraze.se/crazyflie/
[01:02:53] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx How much would you sell me enough plate to make two of those 400 models for? you can PM me if you want.
[01:06:13] <PetefromTn_> if you wanted to sell any at all LOL
[01:11:00] <The_Ball> Made some gang tooling on the mill:
https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7fc571d948dbeacb08d374383649e398
[01:11:05] <The_Ball> Works a treat
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[01:13:12] <PetefromTn_> neato
[01:13:22] <PetefromTn_> is that an ER32 holder?
[01:13:27] <PetefromTn_> what did you make with it?
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[01:16:39] <_methods> The_Ball: did you do something to lock your column?
[01:17:00] <_methods> i have one of those mills sitting at work the boss said i could have
[01:17:09] <The_Ball> _methods, no, just clamp it with the original bolts?
[01:17:43] <_methods> i heard they columns have a tendency to move when machining
[01:17:51] <_methods> we only ever used it as a drill press at work
[01:18:03] <PetefromTn_> I once saw a cool parallelogram clamping setup someone made for those machines that allowed you to raise and lower while maintaining alignment.
[01:18:14] <PetefromTn_> I used to have one and it was actually quite nice.
[01:18:15] <The_Ball> _methods, I do have to re-position everything when I raise or lower the head of course. I've never had the head spin on the column if I've remembered to tighten it properly
[01:18:24] <archivist> use a lot of muscle to tighten the column clamps
[01:18:40] <_methods> i might take it then
[01:18:41] <The_Ball> I've forgotten to tighten it properly plenty of times
[01:18:52] <archivist> I got rid of mine as soon as I could
[01:18:56] <PetefromTn_> I actually did have to replace the column bolts with better larger ones but it was solid as a rock once it was tightened down.
[01:19:21] <_methods> maybe i won't take it then lol
[01:19:24] <The_Ball> _methods, for free you can't really go wrong, but it's very entry level of course
[01:19:25] <_methods> but free mill
[01:19:28] <_methods> yeah
[01:19:39] <_methods> well i have one of the little x2 clones
[01:19:47] <archivist> as a drill they are ok, very solid
[01:19:49] <The_Ball> my next one will have a proper dovetail on the z for sure
[01:19:59] <_methods> yeah we only ever used it as a drill press at work
[01:20:04] <PetefromTn_> I tig welded some barstock to the nuts so it would not rotate on the other side and used larger bolts.
[01:20:24] <PetefromTn_> I had both the RF31 and the RF45
[01:20:31] <_methods> i was thinking aobut taking and just making a square column for it or something
[01:20:40] <PetefromTn_> the RF45 was better but it had its own issues.
[01:20:59] <PetefromTn_> really the little round column was a nice machine and very smooth cutting due to the belt drive
[01:21:17] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, I believe this is the RF45, I can't imagine how the rest of the machine would hold up if you manage to move the head with the original bolts clamped down
[01:21:21] <PetefromTn_> If I got one for a good price let alone free I would grab it and use it for a manual mill.
[01:21:39] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, figure out how much you need and let me know
[01:21:56] <PetefromTn_> no actually that is the RF31 or at least a clone of it.
[01:22:08] <PetefromTn_> the RF45 was a square dovetail column machine
[01:22:12] <_methods> yeah the barrel switch went out on it and it's just sitting in a corner rusting
[01:22:15] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, ah ok, thanks for clearing that up
[01:22:29] <PetefromTn_> methods I would probably just put a VFD on it anyways.
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[01:22:38] <_methods> oh yeah?
[01:22:58] <_methods> that's actually a good idea
[01:23:00] <PetefromTn_> sure and a 2 or 3 hp 3phase motor which is easy to change out..
[01:23:03] <_methods> i might have to do that
[01:23:39] <_methods> well couldn't i just use the motor on it already?
[01:23:47] <_methods> why would i need a vfd and a new motor?
[01:23:54] <PetefromTn_> a guy I shoot airguns with just got a real good deal from Enco on an actual RF31, it is white and sitting in his shop now. He said he paid less than a grand for it I was kinda shocked because the Harbor Freight ones are that much or close to it now.
[01:24:14] <PetefromTn_> well the machine is probably single phase motor now no?
[01:24:25] <_methods> yeah single phase i'm pretty sure
[01:24:27] <PetefromTn_> if it is 3 phase you are good to go with just a vfd most likely.
[01:24:42] <PetefromTn_> you can get small hp motors for it pretty cheap.
[01:24:51] <_methods> the motor is good though
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[01:24:52] <PetefromTn_> or just replace the switch
[01:24:57] <archivist> http://www.diycnc.co.uk/html/my_project.html
[01:24:57] <_methods> just the on off switch is gone
[01:25:04] <PetefromTn_> or sell the motor and get a 3ph one.
[01:25:36] <PetefromTn_> is that yours archivist?
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[01:25:56] <archivist> hell no
[01:25:57] <_methods> the one at work is like 2x that size
[01:26:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah that actually looks like an RF30
[01:26:13] <archivist> I did have the alpine badged one
[01:26:23] <PetefromTn_> the RF31 is actually a good sized little machine.
[01:26:23] <_methods> we must have a rf45 at work then
[01:26:41] <_methods> oh is the rf31 the bigger round column one?
[01:26:48] <PetefromTn_> again the RF45 is square column and geared head with dovetail
[01:26:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[01:27:05] <PetefromTn_> apparently
[01:27:10] <PetefromTn_> mine was the larger one
[01:27:13] <The_Ball> archivist, is that your site?
[01:27:16] <archivist> my column was not square to the XY
[01:27:16] <_methods> ah yeah it must be the rf31 at work
[01:27:22] <archivist> The_Ball, no
[01:27:22] <PetefromTn_> grizzly has a different name for it
[01:27:44] <PetefromTn_> you can shim under the column
[01:27:55] <archivist> I was just googling for alpine milling machine images
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[01:28:42] <PetefromTn_> http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/390646397981_/MILL-DRILL-eg-RF-31-JET-BIRMINGHAM.jpg
[01:28:43] <_methods> wow i had no idea those things were that expensive
[01:28:48] <PetefromTn_> that is what mine and my friends looked like
[01:28:48] <_methods> i thought they were like $500 lol
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[01:29:09] <PetefromTn_> they used to sell the RF31 at harbor freight for like $899.00 or so
[01:29:20] <PetefromTn_> plus the stand was another hundred or so.
[01:29:21] <The_Ball> archivist, been planning a ballscrew upgrade like that for a long time, but I'm finally moving house and will upgrade my mill to something sturdier
[01:30:29] <PetefromTn_> like I said I had both the round column and the square column machines and they were both nice. The round one was a pretty decent manual machine I would have another one if I got a good deal.
[01:30:46] <_methods> well i can't bitch about free
[01:30:57] <_methods> i'll have to make some room in the garage lol
[01:31:14] <_methods> i need some room at work where the damn thing is sitting anyways
[01:31:32] <_methods> we just not a new pemserter set up there and it's all in the way
[01:31:36] <The_Ball> I built a cage around mine a long time ago, took up too much room though:
https://wigen.net/workshop/zx30/IMG_0243.JPG
[01:31:38] <_methods> s/not/got
[01:32:01] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV0xi6SrOSM&list=UUFCopiUpaDrS5VBkrYFuGFQ&index=9 this is my youtube video showing my old RF45 conversion. Sorry for the crappy video...
[01:32:06] <_methods> oh wow that paint
[01:32:15] <_methods> it actually has paint on it lol
[01:32:32] <_methods> so shiny
[01:33:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah I totally stripped it down and refinished it. It was light green when I got it.
[01:34:08] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, that's a nice conversion!
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[01:34:25] <The_Ball> pitty about the mach ;)
[01:34:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right LOL
[01:34:40] <PetefromTn_> that was back before I knew anything about linuxCNC
[01:34:48] <PetefromTn_> but I did put a LOT of work into that machine.
[01:35:02] <_methods> it's a heavy bastard
[01:35:24] <PetefromTn_> I sure as hell would not trade it back for my CIncinatti arrow 500 but it was a nice machine while I had it. It would have probably been even nicer with linuxCNC.
[01:36:20] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, do you still have/use the RF45?
[01:37:32] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, my dad has what I believe is the RF45, it's got a dovetail head and a geared spindle, wondering if it's worth converting, or would you choose something else today?
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[01:39:00] <_methods> i think the rf45 is supposed to be superior to the rf31 for conversions but i don't know
[01:39:12] <_methods> i've never converted either
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[01:40:55] <PetefromTn_> I do not any longer own the RF45. I bought it almost fifteen years ago now for $1500.00 brand new, kept it manual for a LONG time and converted it about four years ago or so. Used it to learn CNC and made all sorts of stuff with it. Finally sold it for about $6k complete and with the CNC stuff and some tooling
[01:41:20] <PetefromTn_> Used the money to buy my Cincinatti Arrow 500 and have been retrofitting and running that machine for about a year or so now.
[01:42:24] <PetefromTn_> if you do not have any interest in making any real money with the machine and want a decent mill to convert that will fit in any garage shop the RF45 is a great little machine.
[01:42:39] <PetefromTn_> I actually made some cash with it here and there making parts for local customers
[01:43:42] <PetefromTn_> but compared to the VMC it is a toy and not nearly as powerful, rigid, or accurate. For most parts that don't need to be better than say .001" or so it was fine tho. if I HAD to I could do even better but it took a lot of fiddling and farting aruond with it.
[01:44:55] <PetefromTn_> after going thru all the trouble of retrofitting that machine and refinishing it, adding the belt drive, new motors, ballscrews, encoders, one shot oiler, etc. etc. etc..
[01:45:46] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely recommend if you can find a decent used CNC machine to retrofit it is MUCH MUCH easier to start with something that is already CNC with ballscrews and everything than to build all of that stuff.
[01:53:14] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, sorry at work so lost focus.
[01:53:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too. running parts right now
[01:54:12] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, yeah all that makes sense, I'll keep my eyes open
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[01:57:41] <XXCoder1> man
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[01:58:19] <XXCoder1> I love sriracha candy canes
[01:58:21] <XXCoder1> hot.
[02:00:56] <XXCoder1> http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Sriracha-candy-canes.jpg
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[05:00:47] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15533417553/
[05:00:49] <zeeshan> frame is done
[05:00:50] <zeeshan> hooray
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[05:09:45] <tjtr33> frame support for the dirve & cpu cabinets?
[05:09:48] <tjtr33> nice machine btw
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[05:52:30] <Connor> zeeshan: When you going to mount the cabinets?
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[05:56:47] <zeeshan> connor tomorrow
[05:56:48] <zeeshan> too tired
[05:56:52] <zeeshan> tjtr33: yes
[05:57:06] <Connor> zeeshan: Kinda sucks you having to mount them stacked vs side-by-side.
[05:57:15] <zeeshan> yea :/
[05:57:19] <zeeshan> they just take more footprint
[05:57:21] <zeeshan> if i did side by side
[05:57:28] <Connor> yea
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[06:00:20] <zeeshan> i need a mill :/
[06:00:24] <zeeshan> need to slot one of the frame holes
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[06:04:53] <zeeshan> can i use a drill press with and end mill
[06:04:58] <zeeshan> and just plunge straight down
[06:05:02] <zeeshan> no side milling.
[06:05:05] <zeeshan> anyone do ths before?
[06:05:35] <Connor> Yes. you can do that.
[06:05:46] <Connor> same as drilling.
[06:06:05] <Connor> Just be carefull.
[06:10:09] <tjtr33> it will grab much more than a drill. like when drill breaks thru. a rat-tail file might do what you need & is safer
[06:10:30] <zeeshan> even with light pressure?
[06:11:33] <tjtr33> it runs away on breakthru, your down pressure wont help you need to swx from down to up at the right moment, try 'nibbling' so it doesnt have much bite
[06:11:52] <tjtr33> ^^^ very bad advise ( how to do it wrong is just wrong )
[06:12:37] <zeeshan> i would do this at school but the damn shop is cllosed till jan 8
[06:12:47] <tjtr33> get a rat-tail file
[06:13:27] <zeeshan> tjtr33: its 1/2" holes
[06:13:28] <zeeshan> 1/2" apart.
[06:13:41] <zeeshan> so by the time i drill the second 1/2" hole
[06:13:49] <zeeshan> itll try to grab on the original 1/2" hole
[06:13:59] <zeeshan> that is why i was thinking of endmilling straight down
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[06:19:35] <tjtr33> hmmm, maybe clamp a sheet of scrap over 1st hole, then drill the 2nd hole thru both the scrap and the frame.
[06:20:02] <zeeshan> oh like adrill guide
[06:20:14] <tjtr33> well a walk-preventer
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[06:23:34] <tjtr33> i think you could lay it out and get 3 pcs 3/16 holes in the area to be removed, then use rat-tail on what remains
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[14:04:46] <lair82_> Good Morning Guys, Does anyone know how to go about creating an xorg.conf file on the current debian wheezy build?
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[14:14:10] <lair82_> I realized yesterday that the driver that I was trying to load for my touchscreen, was the wrong one, I needed the one for the last linux kernel 2.6.32. I am trying to get the driver loaded now, but every time I try to run the sh setup.sh command, it complains that the xorg file is missing.
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[14:19:33] <cradek> lair82_: modern distros don't usually use a xorg.conf file anymore - there are systems that autoconfigure X for you, which is what allows you to change video cards or monitors without editing files
[14:19:52] <Loetmichel> *brrr* *re from hanging up the laundry* wife called out:" MICHEL, the washing machine is done!" ... in that tone that doesent warrant _any_ delay or objection...
[14:21:20] <cradek> lair82_: you might be best off buying a touchscreen that is supported and will work just as easily as a mouse etc, by plugging in its usb plug
[14:21:38] <lair82_> I did read that earlier, that most software doesn't use that file anymore. I just found a wiki on how to install an Egalax touchscreen on debian, I am going to go give it a try.
[14:22:07] <cradek> lair82_: either that or ask the manufacturer for help (bringing their drivers up to date)
[14:23:24] <cradek> lair82_: manufacturers that lie (yeah it's supported in linux one of our guys made it work on his linux machine in 2004 here's a tar of his home directory) are really obnoxious and it's sad they got your money
[14:23:31] <lair82_> I hope it doesn't come to that, I have over 10 hrs laying out, milling and assembling my screen front end with all the push buttons and such built in. I figured wrong apperently when it only took 5 minutes to get them configured under Ubuntu 10.04, that it would go the same under Debian
[14:24:23] <cradek> surprising - I would think ubuntu 10 didn't have an xorg.conf either
[14:24:42] <cradek> but it *was* a 2.6 kernel
[14:25:06] <cradek> if their driver has kernel modules they almost surely won't work anymore without being rebuilt
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[14:25:58] <lair82_> I tried these things out back in September when my boss bought them, on my test pc, using Ubuntu, and it took maybe 5 mins to get it up and running, and it worked fine.
[14:26:45] <lair82_> I will have to ask there tech support I guess to see if they can re-write a driver for Debian Wheezy
[14:26:59] <cradek> yeah, or their installer or who knows what
[14:27:43] <mazafaka_> Am I right to think direct pathes for the mill are better than sophisticated ones, which can optionally be created by CAM software?
[14:28:01] <malcom2073> lair82_: I have several Egalax touchscreens, I've never been able to get any of them working in any distro :/
[14:28:34] <malcom2073> I wound up giving up and used them on windows PC's, figured I'd wait until there is verified support of something before I buy it for linux again
[14:29:47] <cradek> are you talking about this advice from 2005?
http://www.nerdnetworks.org/touchscreen.html
[14:30:06] <lair82_> I did get to work, I actually re-configured one this morning on my test pc just make sure I wasn't losing my marbles, I found at their page
http://home.eeti.com.tw/LinuxDriverDownload.html, and used this driver, eGalaxTouch_3.07.6014-32b and it works fine.
[14:30:55] <lair82_> I had to reconfigure it again, because I trashed my test pc about a month ago, so I had to rebuild the OS.
[14:31:54] <lair82_> Nope, I found this
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/EGalax_Touchscreen
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[14:33:24] <cradek> that's still kernel 2.6 (page last changed 2009)
[14:33:25] <lair82_> I guess that one is shit anyway, the link for the download is broken
[14:34:07] <cradek> wait, so you have made it work on debian wheezy before?
[14:34:34] <cradek> I'm confused
[14:37:56] <lair82_> No, I made it work on Ubuntu 10.04 twice, I am just now building my first Debian build, and am realizing that these things don't work on debian.
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[14:40:35] <lair82_> This is the page with the drivers,
http://home.eeti.com.tw/LinuxDriverDownload.html reading the descriptions for each one, the one at the top of the linux drivers looks like it should work, but thats the one I was trying yesterday.
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[14:47:40] <cradek> If you need any technical support, or if you need I2C driver, please feel free to contact us: touch_fae@eeti.com
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[16:33:26] <MrSun-uthus> DaViruz, höjt! här ?
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[16:39:43] <MrSun-uthus> someone here using vectrics software ?
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[17:14:55] <jdh> me
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[17:21:17] <zeeshan|2> so this guy selling the monarch lathe
[17:21:27] <zeeshan|2> that im supposed to meet today , apparently makes guns
[17:21:32] <zeeshan|2> now im afraid to go there! :P
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[17:22:23] <nick-name> hi there
[17:22:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I'd go see it
[17:22:48] <zeeshan|2> what if he pulls a gun on me or something
[17:22:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:22:56] <zeeshan|2> first of all, the lathe is wayyy under priced
[17:23:00] <zeeshan|2> which has gotten me worried
[17:23:14] <jthornton> it will be the safest place to be, he has guns
[17:23:54] <zeeshan|2> its a monarch 14c
[17:24:02] <zeeshan|2> they usually go for couple grand
[17:24:07] <zeeshan|2> he's got it for sale for $300
[17:24:16] <CaptHindsight> I'm more concerned about the ignorant gun buyers than someone that actually on the ball enough to make them
[17:24:22] <zeeshan|2> my friend inquired about the same machine, and he told him it was sold
[17:24:35] <zeeshan|2> so he seems very legit so far
[17:24:51] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna get robbed :/
[17:25:13] <CaptHindsight> park down the street, show up in pajamas
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[17:26:05] <CaptHindsight> I though Canada was safe and all the violent criminals were down here
[17:26:18] <CaptHindsight> though/thought
[17:26:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:27:00] <CaptHindsight> would someone really use a lathe as bait to lure people into their home to rob them?
[17:27:32] <CaptHindsight> think he has a thing against home machinists?
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[17:28:05] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:28:06] <CaptHindsight> plus you rob people at their homes, not at your home
[17:28:10] <zeeshan|2> "anti home machinists"
[17:28:47] <CaptHindsight> unless you're a minister or fortune teller
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[17:29:54] <malcom2073> Not to rob them... maybe to torture/kill?
[17:30:07] <malcom2073> "Tell me about your feeds and speeds again, or I'll cut another finger off"
[17:30:29] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Bring a big friend with you, that's what I always do "They're the muscle to help me move heavy things"
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[17:31:27] <malcom2073> Or if you're just going to check it out, say they're scoping it out to help with transporting
[17:32:16] <CaptHindsight> wear a GoPro, tell them that you're part of a reality show about people that lure people into their homes with low cost machine tools and you're broadcasting live
[17:32:25] <zeeshan|2> LOLOL
[17:32:35] <malcom2073> haha
[17:32:55] <malcom2073> When they answer the door, say "Just a moment, just checking in on facebook, I have like two hundred folloers"
[17:33:51] <zeeshan|2> im still laughing at that low cost machine tool joke
[17:34:00] <zeeshan|2> my cheeks hurt
[17:36:32] <CaptHindsight> I just found out that a nearby town has their bars open today from now until 2am Friday
[17:37:00] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine what that scene is going to look like tomorrow at ~7am
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[19:09:35] <lair82_> Finally got my Touchscreen working, god dam what a pain in my ass.
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[19:10:58] <skunkworks> what did it?
[19:13:15] <lair82_> I pulled the piece of shit out and put an ELO in that was sitting on the shelf. LOL
[19:13:41] <lair82_> Worked right out the gate.
[19:13:43] <cradek> yay that's the ticket
[19:14:06] <lair82_> Almost 12 dam hours wasted
[19:14:18] <cradek> heh counting our time or not?
[19:14:57] <cradek> I tried a cheapie touchscreen once too - never again
[19:15:06] <Connor> I had to reverse the the Y on my setup..
[19:15:20] <Connor> Was a ELO not sure why..
[19:15:31] <cradek> I've seen that too
[19:15:46] <cradek> that's much easier to fix than one that's just dead
[19:15:51] <Connor> Yup.
[19:16:33] <lair82_> That was wasting your guy's time, I can't really bitch real hard about my time, I get paid by the hour, and my boss knows that other than trying to someway somehow get one of you guys in here to finish it, I'm the only hope and prayer of getting it running.
[19:17:15] <Connor> What brand was the other touch screen ?
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[19:18:42] <lair82_> The back says Henostar, and the drivers and such are from EETI, its a "eGalaxTouch" monitor, 17"
[19:18:54] <Connor> Never heard of them.
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[19:19:01] <Connor> which is probably 99.999% of the problem
[19:19:22] <lair82_> We bought 2 of them, said they were new for $250 off Ebay.
[19:19:36] <cradek> yikes
[19:19:46] <Connor> You try them on a windows machine first?
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[19:20:22] <Connor> may use some proprietary driver..
[19:20:37] <lair82_> I got them to work on Ubuntu, just not Debian, and I emailed tech support about a driver. Seens how they are across the big pond, I'm am sure it will be next week before I here back from them.
[19:20:57] <Connor> oh.ok
[19:21:48] <lair82_> Just for grins, I might upgrade 2 of my turning centers to 17" monitors, they are both on Ubuntu 10.04
[19:22:06] <lair82_> No point in scrapping these i guess
[19:25:24] <PetefromTn_> lair82_ Glad you got it sorted out even tho it was not what you wanted. Hopefully you will get assistance from the manuf. soon and can still use those.
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[19:29:12] <lair82_> I hope, I am actually do 2 cinci 10VC's at the same time, the other one is at another shop down the road, so I still technically need 1 of them for these debian builds, worst case I get another ELO or IBM, and put both these henojunks on my turning centers, Bigger touchscreens would be nice on those.
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[19:43:55] <unfy> some cheap zinc coated allthread bought for lead screw stuff. the 5/16th's stuff. i'll buy M8 rod later for the comparison tests.
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[20:34:29] <Jymmm> Anyone need a 12 port USB hub? lol
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[20:49:10] <XXCoder1> nah only 12 ports not enough Jymmm lol
[20:49:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: velcro two together for 24 ports!!!
[20:50:12] <XXCoder1> sounds vaguely porn ad- "More ports than you know what to do with!!"
[20:50:42] <ReadError> i like those usb hubs with the switches
[20:50:48] <ReadError> great for toggling a device
[20:50:57] <Jymmm> Depends, if you are charging/powering multiple USB devices, then sure as you are using an external walwaort to power the hub
[20:51:27] <Jymmm> ReadError: never seen one
[20:51:43] <XXCoder1> me either
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[20:54:26] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTHGL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[20:55:07] <Jymmm> cool, thanks ReadError
[20:55:38] <ReadError> great if you are doing any kind of HW dev stuff
[20:55:54] <XXCoder1> wow
[20:58:31] <unfy> they don't mention what kind of power output the power adapter is.
[20:58:39] <unfy> if it's less than 3.5 amps, it's moot.
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[20:59:38] <XXCoder1> smaller version
http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-4-Port-Individual-Switches-HB-UMLS/dp/B00BWF5U0M/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_y
[21:00:06] <unfy> could you provide your own ? sure. but at $18 + shipping, you better not have to buy/build a power supply to go with it :D
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[21:03:16] <Rab> zeeshan|2, beep
[21:03:36] <ReadError> unfy, it is 3.5A
[21:03:44] <ReadError> XXCoder1, I got that one too
[21:03:56] <unfy> then that's decent enough :D
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[21:04:05] <XXCoder1> it is.
[21:04:13] <XXCoder1> I should buy one for my touchpad
[21:04:24] <XXCoder1> it supports otg but it can't power anything
[21:05:06] <unfy> i've seen /alot/ of cheap powered hubs whose power supply is only a fraction of what it should be
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[21:10:00] <ReadError> unfy, ya i checked the walwart when i got it, it was 3.5A for sure
[21:10:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/braille/product_batteries/i49cs just add a LiPo battery to power things
[21:10:09] <nnnn_> im running linuxcnc with an openbuilds ox machine and want to make custom electric guitars? any ideas for good free CAM programs that use .stl files for surface milling and pocketing
[21:10:25] <ReadError> stl
[21:10:26] <ReadError> ew
[21:10:36] <XXCoder1> waamart sucks
[21:10:49] <nnnn_> or anything that solidworks poops out
[21:10:50] <CaptHindsight> nnnn_: why .stl? what CAD application are you using?
[21:11:28] <CaptHindsight> nnnn_:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[21:12:08] <nnnn_> im using solidworks
[21:12:16] <ReadError> oh
[21:12:21] <ReadError> just get hsmxpress
[21:12:27] <ReadError> its free for solidworks
[21:15:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hsmworks.com
[21:16:00] <ReadError> its solid
[21:16:03] <ReadError> should do anything you need
[21:19:03] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: have you found the absolute lowest cost per Wh, Joules/cm^2, battery source?
[21:19:35] <_methods> http://www.instructables.com/id/Small-Engine-Lamp/?ALLSTEPS
[21:20:24] <CaptHindsight> finally something useful
[21:22:33] <_methods> lol
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[21:29:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes, yes, I have, but the gubermint won't let me have one in my back yard
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[21:31:03] <Rab> _methods, cute.
[21:31:25] <Rab> Anybody recognize the connector on these servos, or know where I could find the pinout?
[21:31:28] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/zrAClUY.jpg
[21:31:28] <_methods> yeah i need another project like a need another hole in my head though
[21:32:18] * Jymmm grabs the auger and looks at _methods
[21:32:32] <_methods> heheh
[21:32:53] <_methods> looks like a custom connector
[21:33:05] <Rab> They have Nemicon SBY-25-2MD encoders. The datasheet lists wire colors, but those don't match the colors going to the connector.
[21:33:37] <_methods> were those taken out of an existing machine?
[21:33:48] <Rab> Red and black are separated from the others and look like power, I guess the thing to do is hook 'em up and watch the other pins for output.
[21:34:40] <Rab> They are used but I don't know the application. They were mounted in test jigs, coupled to each other in pairs. (????)
[21:35:02] <Rab> Might have been some kind of torque or longevity test.
[21:35:02] <_methods> bummer was going to say look at the old schematic
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[21:36:14] <_methods> looks like red, blue and green/yellow are power and ground
[21:36:30] <_methods> how many wires are in the bundled cable?
[21:38:05] <Rab> Fat red/blue/green for the servo, obviously +/-/gnd. The encoder has 8 wires, red/black/brown/blue/green/violet/white/yellow.
[21:39:30] <_methods> so none of the 8 wires match the datasheet?
[21:39:32] <_methods> that sux
[21:39:48] <Rab> Datasheet lists orange and gray wires, which aren't present.
[21:40:10] <PCW> take encoder cap off and check bypasses for power
[21:40:39] <PCW> or line driver pins
[21:40:43] <Rab> I can't get it off. ;) I was able to unscrew the cable grommet and peek inside enough to see the part number.
[21:41:02] <PCW> (8 pins is likely differential with index)
[21:42:21] <Rab> The datasheet shows 3 output pairs for the -2MD part, A B and Z. What purpose does Z serve? It looks like it delivers a pulse the full width of the B cycle.
[21:42:48] <PCW> capacitance meter on likely pins might work, then try powering up with say 50 ma current limit until polarity is determined
[21:42:58] <Rab> Hmm, good idea.
[21:43:18] <PCW> Z is once/turn index for accurate homong
[21:43:33] <PCW> also homing
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[21:43:43] <Rab> ahh
[21:43:49] <_methods> i like homong batter
[21:44:11] <PCW> typically gated with A/B in encoder index logic
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[21:49:21] <Rab> The red/black encoder pair is special, has a 76K resistance and dynamic capacitance that seems like something charging/discharging. Pretty sure that's power. The rest of the wires have very high resistance (6-7M) to each other and to red/black.
[21:49:37] <Rab> PCW, thanks for the tips.
[21:52:04] <PCW> Nice standard colors (I would still use a current limit first time)
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[22:11:18] <unfy> i need to build me a cheap test / benchtop power supply (0-12v, 0-5a or so prolly)
[22:13:08] <_methods> old server power supplies
[22:13:28] <_methods> good amps and cheap
[22:14:09] <unfy> that'd get say 5 and 12 (maybe 3.3) volts at insane amps, but being able to limit volts & amps down would be really handy for diagnostic work (and to avoid fires heh)
[22:14:10] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-POWER-SUPPLY-1000W-379123-001-403781-001-399771-B21-/170646467608?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item27bb527418
[22:15:00] <unfy> and, since i wanna range from 0-12, drop out voltage things means they won't work as a current source either - not without a boosting first stage
[22:15:43] <_methods> take the 12v and make it adjustable
[22:15:47] <unfy> as a 0-5v, then sure. maybe i'd go about using it.
[22:16:22] <unfy> most linear regulators have a 1.5-2.5v drop out. so with a 12v source, i'd have a ~9v limit on out
[22:16:36] <_methods> lm2596
[22:20:41] <SpeedEvil> LDO regulators cost $1 or under
[22:21:44] <unfy> reading the lm2596 ds, but as far as ldo - you're still dropping out, thus not gonna hit source - and if i want it to be able to do 12, then even with an ldo - source has to be > 12.
[22:22:16] <_methods> you can twist those server power supplies up over 12v
[22:22:52] <_methods> but sounds like you'd be better off just buyin a real supply
[22:23:22] <unfy> nah, it'd be building one for the fun of it.
[22:23:28] <_methods> i just made my bench supply out of server power supplies because they were cheap and i had a pile of them
[22:24:00] <unfy> does amazon have $60-$100 cheap power supplies ? sure.
[22:24:12] <_methods> yeah you can get one for like $100
[22:24:39] <unfy> can i build something for $40 ? prolly.
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[22:24:41] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-30VDC-0-3A-Switch-Mode-Bench-Power-Supply-with-Digital-Display-CSI3003SM-/221584065292
[22:24:46] <_methods> $60
[22:25:18] <unfy> 0.2v ripple ? wow.
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[22:25:53] <unfy> i'll have fun trying to build my own instead :D
[22:26:39] <_methods> yeah
[22:28:06] <_methods> one of the few things i actually found to put my 3d printer to good use on
[22:28:13] <unfy> 200mv is unacceptable imho
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[22:28:32] <unfy> 3d printer for enclosures ? yes pleaseeeeee
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[22:30:25] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fusswv0048bf0er/2013-12-12%2020.08.26.jpg?dl=0
[22:30:39] <unfy> *drool*
[22:31:24] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpgffohwvgva8ld/2013-12-10%2020.45.08.jpg?dl=0
[22:31:28] <_methods> heheh danger
[22:31:30] <_methods> i just had to add that
[22:31:32] <_methods> lol
[22:31:49] <unfy> heheheheh
[22:32:51] <unfy> what's the switches in the KB ? cherry blue/brown or topre ?
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[22:33:16] <_methods> cherry brown
[22:33:38] <_methods> love mechanical keys
[22:33:40] <unfy> browns here at work, with orings. to avoid coworkers from killing me. prefer the blues personally (and use blues at home)
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[22:35:57] <_methods> freenode getting blasted i guess
[22:36:30] <unfy> field mouse farted near a fiber line outside of vancouver or something
[22:37:06] <unfy> i really like the one off project enclosure idea for 3d printer though <3
[22:37:24] <_methods> yeah bout all it's good for
[22:37:33] <unfy> (i've been following 3d printers for ~10 years, but could never really come with a use for one)
[22:37:44] <_methods> it's great for junk
[22:37:52] <_methods> or just making a prototype enclosure
[22:37:55] <roycroft> 3d printers are useful for printing 3d printers
[22:38:00] <_methods> and that
[22:38:07] <unfy> heh
[22:38:29] <Jymmm> Hot glue guns at the store are only $2 though
[22:38:45] <_methods> just strap your glue gun to an old cdrom drive
[22:38:49] <_methods> bewm 3d printer
[22:39:03] <CaptHindsight> 3d printers are not just cnc glue guns, it's sad that they are now nearly synonymous
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[22:39:13] <os1r1s> We use 3d printers at work to print custom saw guides for surgeries. Something that isn't really practical to machine.
[22:39:15] <roycroft> put along extension cord on your laser printer and toss it out the window while it's printing
[22:39:22] <roycroft> that would be a 3d print would it not?
[22:39:50] <_methods> when i was in school we had one of the old tape 3d printers
[22:39:58] <_methods> that would lay down layers of tape and cut them
[22:40:01] <roycroft> there's a 3d printer on the iss now
[22:40:02] <CaptHindsight> it's FDM that has very limited applications, not 3D printers
[22:40:04] <Jymmm> os1r1s: Are we talking $100 or $80,000 USD 3d printers?
[22:40:08] <roycroft> it recently printed a wrench that they needed
[22:40:10] <Jymmm> $1000*
[22:40:14] <unfy> the video of the large '3d printer' that lays concrete as a way to make buildings quickly ? that's neat.
[22:40:18] <os1r1s> Jymmm: 400k+ ones
[22:40:19] <roycroft> i'd say that's probably a good use of one
[22:40:29] <roycroft> since it would cost many millions of dollars to send a wrench up there
[22:40:30] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Sorry, 80k+. The SLS is 400k+
[22:40:33] <Jymmm> os1r1s: Yeah, those are not hot glue guns =)
[22:40:42] <_methods> nope
[22:40:58] <Jymmm> os1r1s: THOSE are actual real 3D printers and I have no issues with those at all
[22:41:09] <_methods> i'm merely disparaging my hobby printers lol
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[22:41:23] <_methods> real 3d printers are another story
[22:41:30] <roycroft> 3d printers keep nerts off the streets and out of the comic book stores
[22:41:35] <roycroft> nerds
[22:41:35] <os1r1s> I use 3d printers or laser cutting for prototyping parts before I machine them.
[22:41:37] <_methods> hahah
[22:41:41] <Jymmm> I've only seen TWO things these hot glueguns have done that are useful
[22:41:46] <roycroft> so it's kind of a public safety thing
[22:41:47] <os1r1s> Its cheaper and quicker.
[22:42:10] <_methods> i agree for testing the fit or shape of a complicated assembly or part
[22:42:14] <CaptHindsight> faux mustaches
[22:42:18] <_methods> hahaha
[22:42:23] <_methods> cyclops glasses.........
[22:42:27] <unfy> building mold parts for metal casting was the other thing -- which someone had a video of how ford or other folks do it...
[22:42:32] <Jymmm> Here's the first useful thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwHo-Ka3dsQ
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[22:42:51] <os1r1s> Jymmm: They are actually near me
[22:43:16] <CaptHindsight> why would anyone bother machining cyclops glasses? esp when they are so easily printed?
[22:43:27] <Jymmm> Here is the second...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgNUbsj-5XU
[22:43:37] <_methods> haha
[22:43:46] <os1r1s> Jymmm: We have a shitload of big VMCs and screw machines that we use to make surgical implants out of metal too :)
[22:43:48] <roycroft> i really don't have a problem with any of the 3d printers
[22:43:54] <roycroft> the cheap ones are nice educational toys
[22:44:02] <roycroft> expensive ones can be useful for doing real work
[22:44:11] <_methods> i mainly have a problem with the overhyping of the whole thing
[22:44:13] <roycroft> the problem i have is people who think they can do real work with one of the toy ones
[22:44:22] <roycroft> but that's not a fault of the 3d printer
[22:44:38] <roycroft> it's false expectations on behalf of the user
[22:44:58] <CaptHindsight> it's the snake oil salespeople selling them
[22:45:05] <roycroft> i don't think so
[22:45:06] <roycroft> not really
[22:45:10] <Jymmm> Anyhow, there are the two useful sub $1000 hotglueguns I've seen.
[22:45:16] <Jymmm> those*
[22:45:27] <roycroft> i don't see the low end 3d printer companies saying "buy this and make money with it"
[22:45:33] <Jymmm> and I'm not sure the first one is sub $1000
[22:45:39] <roycroft> it's more like "buy this and you can make cool stuff"
[22:45:49] <Jymmm> s/cool/crap/
[22:45:49] <CaptHindsight> the prices on the other technologies are artificially high due to the patents
[22:45:58] <_methods> my buddy just got that 3d systems hobby one that was under $800
[22:46:04] <_methods> i had actual linear slides in it
[22:46:06] <roycroft> i agree they don't say "but anything you make is going to take hours, and the media is pretty expensive"
[22:46:17] <_methods> s/i/it
[22:46:30] <Jymmm> roycroft: ...and will be crap.
[22:46:35] <roycroft> low end 3d printers are like inkjet printers
[22:46:36] <os1r1s> The SLA printers are as close to the 80k+ ones as I've seen. But they are limited on size.
[22:46:47] <roycroft> cheap, but slow, with expensive media, and poor quality
[22:46:51] <Jymmm> Hell, I'd use polymer clay before 3d printing
[22:46:55] <os1r1s> print as close to the same quality tath is
[22:47:02] <roycroft> higher end ones are like laser printers
[22:47:12] <roycroft> cheaper to operate, and decent quality, but not great quality
[22:47:36] <roycroft> you need real machines to do the machining equivalent of actual typesetting
[22:47:48] <CaptHindsight> you can build an SLA printer using a DLP or LCD projector for a few hundred $$ + projector
[22:48:00] <_methods> sorry i started this with my power supply lol
[22:48:16] <CaptHindsight> if you use ghetto cnc parts <$100
[22:48:29] <unfy> methods: hehe
[22:48:40] <Jymmm> roycroft: Look at that orange box that was 3d printed, how many HOURS did it take to create that as example. and you can see the "tooling marks"
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[22:48:53] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers are lower cost than FDM thermoplastics as well
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[22:49:09] <os1r1s> This is off my DLP SLA printer ...
http://gallery.mounicou.com/photos/i-rspmRTz/0/L/i-rspmRTz-L.jpg
[22:49:20] <CaptHindsight> unless you use an FDM printer that has it's own pellet to nozzle extruder
[22:49:35] <Jymmm> os1r1s: THAT, I can live with.
[22:49:59] <Jymmm> it's clean, no tool marks, fine detail, etc
[22:50:33] <Jymmm> and no post-finishing work needed.
[22:50:40] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Well, kind of
[22:50:58] <Jymmm> os1r1s: well, from what I can see in a single photo
[22:51:08] <os1r1s> Jymmm: You have to dip it in isopropyl and the uv cure it a bit
[22:51:20] <os1r1s> Jymmm: But it isn't hands on cleanup
[22:51:30] <Jymmm> os1r1s: I mean liek deburgging, sanding, etc.
[22:51:40] <Jymmm> polishing
[22:52:03] <Jymmm> manual labor in other words.
[22:52:09] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Right
[22:52:28] <os1r1s> Anyone here use cubloc devices?
[22:54:26] <_methods> no never tried them
[22:54:29] <_methods> they any good?
[22:54:59] <os1r1s> _methods: I don't know. I'm thinking about getting one to control over modbus.
[22:55:28] <_methods> looks interesting
[22:56:29] <XXCoder1> looks interesting
http://hackaday.com/2014/12/30/3d-printing-technique-friction-welding/#more-142448
[22:57:51] <_methods> looks cheap enough to try out at home
[22:57:57] <_methods> the cublocs
[22:58:05] <_methods> not friction welding lol
[22:58:30] <os1r1s> _methods: They have the starter kit for $29 which looks like similar to an arduino
[22:58:43] <_methods> yeah i don't get that thing
[22:58:44] <os1r1s> And it can do ladder logic and/or basic
[22:58:57] <_methods> yeah that's what i was looking at
[22:59:34] <_methods> no idea what that cb210 thing is supposed to do
[22:59:35] <os1r1s> I think its just their cheapest entry point so you don't have to build a circuit. The ones in the black enclosure look more like something I would use
[22:59:42] <_methods> yeah
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[22:59:51] <_methods> they "look" like plc modules
[23:00:23] <_methods> i'd never be able to talk anyone into using it at work
[23:00:44] <_methods> unless its ABB, siemens or mitsubishi or other big player i doubt i'd get it in the door
[23:00:56] <os1r1s> _methods: I don't think my work would either, but it would be cheap enough to play with at home.
[23:01:01] <_methods> yeah
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[23:05:43] <_methods> definitely cheap
[23:06:59] <_methods> i might get one to test out i need to make a sandblasting fixture/machine
[23:07:06] <_methods> that might work perfect for it
[23:07:38] <Jymmm> That's a funny looking dog…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rZTZBOrqQ
[23:08:05] <_methods> hahah
[23:08:09] <_methods> put down the bear
[23:08:45] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ovXnZcb_A
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[23:28:01] <Loetmichel> soo after wife has seen all the fireworks: happy new year everyone from germany!
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[23:31:25] <zeeshan|2> i bought too much
[23:31:25] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:31:26] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[23:31:33] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15974046587/in/photostream/
[23:31:38] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/in/photostream/
[23:32:28] <Rab> zeeshan|2, $300 for the lathe?
[23:32:32] <zeeshan|2> yea
[23:32:37] <_methods> wow
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[23:32:41] <_methods> that's the score of all scores
[23:32:41] <zeeshan|2> the mill im not revealing the price for
[23:32:44] <zeeshan|2> cause im gonna flip it
[23:32:50] <zeeshan|2> :)
[23:32:59] <Rab> zeeshan|2, that's crazy. How are you going to fit everything into your garage?
[23:33:10] <zeeshan|2> rab, the mill is going in dad's container
[23:33:14] <zeeshan|2> and so is the cnc mill
[23:33:15] <zeeshan|2> er
[23:33:17] <zeeshan|2> cnc lathe
[23:33:22] <zeeshan|2> im gonna cnc this monarch
[23:33:25] <Rab> zeeshan|2, awesome.
[23:33:41] <zeeshan|2> the mill should be easy to move
[23:33:44] <zeeshan|2> but im not sure how to move this lathe
[23:33:48] <Rab> zeeshan|2, see what I got for free in California?
http://i.imgur.com/zrAClUY.jpg
[23:33:49] <zeeshan|2> he doesnt have a forklift at his end
[23:33:55] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[23:33:57] <zeeshan|2> nice
[23:34:02] <zeeshan|2> those are powerful too!
[23:34:27] <zeeshan|2> can i has
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[23:34:37] <Rab> Yeah, they're beefy. There were six, but I could only fit five into my luggage...TSA went crazy.
[23:34:43] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:35:11] <Rab> The sixth squeaked when rotating shaft by hand, so I figured it might not be worth it.
[23:35:31] <zeeshan|2> bearing?
[23:35:52] <SpeedEvil> yeah - bearing should be easily replacable
[23:35:56] <Rab> Yeah, could probably be rebuilt. It's still in CA if you want to pay shipping. ;)
[23:36:42] <zeeshan|2> my friend is leaving sacramento tomorrow
[23:36:45] <zeeshan|2> and flying back here :P
[23:37:00] <zeeshan|2> are there any surplus places there?
[23:37:42] <Rab> The servo is in Oakland, it's a bit of a stretch.
[23:38:03] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15974045957/in/photostream/
[23:38:06] <zeeshan|2> this is the biggest grinder ive seen
[23:38:12] <Rab> There are surplus places down south, in Silicon Valley. Halted Electronics is one.
[23:38:12] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt wanna be near that thing if the wheel explodes
[23:38:35] <zeeshan|2> ah
[23:39:23] <Rab> They're unreasonably proud of any industrial stuff IMO. eBay has better deals.
[23:40:34] <Rab> What are the specs on that lathe?
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[23:43:05] <zeeshan|2> swing 20"
[23:43:08] <zeeshan|2> center 72"
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[23:43:42] <zeeshan|2> it needs a good cleanup
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