#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-30

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[00:00:20] <furrywolf> and, of course, when it comes to batteries, "untested" is a code word for "lasts five minutes".
[00:00:29] <malcom2073> "as is" heh
[00:00:45] <Jymmm> malcom2073: think you could buld one for under $200?
[00:00:48] <furrywolf> it's supposed to have intel wifi... it's enabled in the bios... but the switch on the front does nothing, and it doesn't show up in lspci.
[00:01:07] <malcom2073> Jymmm: If the steel is free, and my dad is retired, so welding labor is free too.... :P Depends on the cost of the axles
[00:01:31] <Jymmm> malcom2073: start with looking at tire, and go from there.
[00:01:35] <Jymmm> tires
[00:01:55] <Jymmm> malcom2073: then you'll have an idea on what diameter axles
[00:04:14] <Jymmm> furrywolf: This place sells LCD panels, I'd look for inverters there http://www.sunvalleytek.com/
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[00:05:18] <malcom2073> heh
[00:05:49] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Specs http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/CF-52EKMBDAM?t=specs
[00:05:50] <furrywolf> got my new transformer too... it's amazing how small it is, and how much it weighs. heh.
[00:06:13] <Jymmm> Optional integrated Gobi™ 3G mobile broadband (WWAN)Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 5100 802.11a/b/g/draft-nBluetooth® v2.0+EDR (Class 1) -- option on models with P8400 CPU
[00:06:27] <furrywolf> yes, I know what its specs are. I know it's supposed to have wireless, which seems to only half exist...
[00:07:21] <furrywolf> it has the wireless switch on front, confirming what the model number says...
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[00:09:49] <Jymmm> Nah, the switch is there just to mess with your head =)
[00:10:24] <furrywolf> bah! pulled the bottom cover off... all the option boards are missing.
[00:10:29] <furrywolf> there's dangling antenna and switch wires.
[00:11:10] <Jymmm> that bites. if the auction says wifi, it should have wifi, period.
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[00:12:10] <Jymmm> what auction/seller?
[00:13:33] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-2-Panasonic-Toughbook-CF-52-15-4-034-Core2Duo-2-4GHz-2-26GHz-2GB-120GB-212-/181608305751
[00:13:41] <furrywolf> checking the wifi cover on the other one now
[00:14:37] <furrywolf> ... wtf. the other one has the world's smallest inverse security torx screw.
[00:15:58] * furrywolf boots it instead
[00:16:10] <furrywolf> this one the light comes on. that is a very good sign.
[00:16:20] <Jymmm> as in steel toe or as in LiveCD ?
[00:16:40] <Jymmm> they included a PS ?
[00:16:42] <furrywolf> as in the linuxcnc install iso, which has a live mode, because that's the only livecd I have handy. heh.
[00:17:07] <furrywolf> no. I ordered a pair of power supplies after winning the auction. they got here first, being shipped usps instead of ups.
[00:17:09] <Jymmm> Eh, steel toe boot is still an option =)
[00:17:19] <Jymmm> ah gotcha
[00:17:22] <furrywolf> it's a toughbook. that'll hurt. :P
[00:17:30] <furrywolf> it's magnesium, not plastic...
[00:17:54] <furrywolf> yeah, the other one has working wifi.
[00:17:58] <furrywolf> and backlight
[00:18:36] <furrywolf> but it's the one with the wxga display... I want to use the one with the wuxga 1900x1200!
[00:19:01] <Jymmm> swap em
[00:19:12] <furrywolf> I doubt they share the same inverter....
[00:19:51] <furrywolf> hrmm, it's not an inverse torx. it's a regular torx that someone sheared off a bit in, that's been bashed on things and smoothed.
[00:20:03] <furrywolf> probably someone TRIED to take the wifi card...
[00:20:37] <Jymmm> lol, only reason you have one probably
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[00:21:05] <furrywolf> I guess I'll just use the one with the low-res display for now.
[00:21:06] <Jymmm> epoxy and old screwdriver to it, let it set, then remove
[00:21:21] <furrywolf> I need a replacement for this laptop, as it keeps crashing, which is most annoying...
[00:22:12] <furrywolf> hrmm. maybe wifi works. maybe not. it associated with my ap, but won't transfer anything.
[00:22:22] <Jymmm> wantthe service manual?
[00:22:45] <furrywolf> on/offing the wifi switch made it work
[00:22:51] <furrywolf> or off/onning, that is
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[00:23:45] <Jymmm> or I should say the service and disassembly manual?
[00:23:48] <furrywolf> oh, and if anyone needs to know, these utterly fail the latency test.
[00:24:07] <furrywolf> ... remove screws until desired component is reached, assembley is the reverse of disassembly? :)
[00:24:43] <Jymmm> including missing component part numbers
[00:25:03] <XXCoder1> heys
[00:25:15] <zeeshan> hi nanga parbat
[00:28:18] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://tim.id.au/laptops/panasonic/CF-52EKMxDxM.pdf
[00:28:33] <Jymmm> furrywolf: 30MB PDF
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[00:29:02] <furrywolf> I probably can't download that now... I'll grab it on my webserver so I can download it later.
[00:29:25] <furrywolf> download finished at 3.8s. I sure wish my home connection was like that!
[00:30:38] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Inverter PN = N0GF1J000011
[00:31:06] <Jymmm> N5HZC0000038 = WIRELESS LAN MODULE
[00:31:47] <Jymmm> furrywolf: pdf page 72
[00:32:22] <Jymmm> $26?! http://www.pchub.com/uph/laptop/43-70212-19594/Tamura-HBL-0357-LCD-Inverter.html
[00:32:48] <furrywolf> is that price odd for some reason?
[00:33:13] <Jymmm> Just seem shigh for alightbulb to me =)
[00:33:25] <Jymmm> err, HALF a lightbulb =)
[00:35:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/12-9-2560x1700-LED-Screen-for-GOOGLE-CHROMEBOOK-PIXEL-LCD-/310704041188 fit one of these in
[00:35:31] <furrywolf> other than the brightness issue, the screen is nice... 1900x1200 has very tiny pixels.
[00:36:06] <CaptHindsight> add some LED's
[00:36:18] <Jymmm> add CFL =)
[00:38:05] <furrywolf> I'll probably just use the low-res one for now... keep an eye out for another wuxga one.
[00:38:16] <furrywolf> I can list this one on ebay as "untested", right? :P
[00:38:16] <Jymmm> furrywolf: OH OH OH add HPS/MA light =)
[00:38:35] <Jymmm> MH*
[00:38:39] * furrywolf is pretty sure "untested" means "known to be broken"
[00:39:46] <furrywolf> I should test my new transformer, but since it looks and smells good, I figure it's probably good. there's a lot less to go wrong with a torroidal transformer than a laptop.
[00:40:24] <furrywolf> it has two 40vac secondaries. should I parallel them, then one fuse, then rectify, or separately fuse and rectify?
[00:40:33] <Jymmm> furrywolf: since THEY link to an article about wifi, I'd call em on it.
[00:41:20] <furrywolf> by my rough math, 40vac 635va should give me about 54v 15a, a good number for my mill.
[00:41:24] <furrywolf> 625
[00:44:57] <furrywolf> the transformer is exactly the same thickness as the 37,000uf cap I'm going to use to filter it... going to make a nice compact assembley when done.
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[01:14:37] <furrywolf> there's definitely something wrong with the wifi in the other one... it's back to associating and reporting a good signal, but not transferring any data.
[01:15:30] <Tom_itx> put a nickle in the slot
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[01:17:26] <zeeshan> furrywolf: toriod?
[01:17:33] <XXCoder1> fur any excryption on wifi?
[01:18:34] <furrywolf> yes
[01:18:52] <XXCoder1> theres rare case where excryption dont work
[01:19:11] <XXCoder1> try test alternate router with no excryption with that wifi card see if works
[01:20:04] <furrywolf> it's working, just on and off, and painfully slow...
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[01:21:23] <XXCoder1> ok
[01:21:24] <furrywolf> bbl, time for work
[01:21:36] <_methods> i've always had the worst luck with linux and wifi
[01:21:42] <_methods> not as bad as bsd and wifi
[01:22:22] <furrywolf> I've had good luck.
[01:22:25] <furrywolf> bbl
[01:22:35] <_methods> until now?
[01:22:36] <_methods> lol
[01:23:15] <furrywolf> I think it's hardware. someone wanted the card out bad enough to break a torx bit off in the screws...
[01:23:25] <furrywolf> zeeshan: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/O80AAOSwQJhUj2mn/$_57.JPG
[01:23:59] <furrywolf> bbl
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[01:52:43] <The_Ball> Morning
[01:53:23] <The_Ball> In 2011 Andy Pugh wrote "Alternatively, the development version of EMC2 will add the ability to call a G-code subroutine as a toolchange. " does anyone know if this happened, and how to set it up?
[01:55:49] <_methods> call a sub?
[01:56:25] <skunkworks_> gcode remapping I bet
[01:56:40] <The_Ball> skunkworks_, I think you're right
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[02:00:20] <The_Ball> skunkworks_, trying to do some gang tooling in lathe mode on a mill
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[02:08:38] <The_Ball> oh nice, gmoccapy has a "edit loaded gcode" button! my main missing feature in axis
[02:16:25] <jdh> like, File/Edit in axis?
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[02:47:07] <The_Ball> jdh, oh no, you're joking
[02:49:40] <malcom2073> He isn't
[02:49:51] <malcom2073> However, it edits the file itself, not just the loaded gcode
[02:49:55] <malcom2073> and then reloads
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[02:52:15] <The_Ball> malcom2073, yeah I meant "your joking, how could I have not noticed all these years"
[02:52:24] <malcom2073> heh
[02:53:16] <XXCoder1> ' e
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[03:03:22] <furrywolf> from what I can tell, the wireless adapter can't transmit.... tx excessive retries just shoots up.
[03:03:38] <XXCoder1> broken attenta?
[03:04:05] <furrywolf> dunno. I guess I need to figure out how to extract the screw in the cover with the broken off torx bit...
[03:05:11] <XXCoder1> screw extractor?
[03:05:41] <furrywolf> it's TINY. like a T2 or something...
[03:07:06] <furrywolf> how are torx measured? according to my calipers, it's 1.95mm across the points. lol
[03:07:11] <XXCoder1> yeah extractor goes all way down to zero
[03:07:37] <XXCoder1> just use it like drill then go backward it will "jam" and rotate torx out
[03:08:49] <furrywolf> I don't have any screw extractors small enough. to use a screw extractor, I first have to remove the bit that's broken off in the head, because I'd need a micro carbide bit to try drilling a broken driver bit...
[03:08:58] <furrywolf> two reasons that's a bad plan. :)
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[03:09:45] <XXCoder1> other way is to drill tiny hole in it then use small screw, but that small it's hard.
[03:09:54] <XXCoder1> well you can always use pliers
[03:10:09] <furrywolf> it's in a recess.
[03:10:16] <XXCoder1> oh thats fun
[03:10:20] <furrywolf> yes, it is.
[03:10:43] <furrywolf> and, as I said, drilling through it requires either removing the broken bit or drilling the broken bit...
[03:11:19] <XXCoder1> you can drill it out but hard to extract leftover after you remove card
[03:12:29] <fenugrec> dentist sized carbide burr on a high speed tool
[03:12:32] <fenugrec> + patience
[03:12:52] <furrywolf> oh, AND it's security torx.
[03:13:09] <XXCoder1> uhhh
[03:13:24] <XXCoder1> so you has to make sure it stays in pressure outwards to come off
[03:13:45] <furrywolf> no, so it has an annoying post in the middle that makes sure your drill bit doesn't center, ever.
[03:14:17] <XXCoder1> oh that other kind
[03:14:26] <XXCoder1> theres security torxs you can buy
[03:14:37] <XXCoder1> but other option is to remove it
[03:14:57] <XXCoder1> dermel and point grinder
[03:15:15] <XXCoder1> you'd have to be careful not to ruin torx shape
[03:15:53] <furrywolf> pliers failed to remove broken bit, just mushed it worse.
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[03:18:00] <furrywolf> broken bit removed by cracking with screwdriver then pulling pieces out
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[03:19:16] * furrywolf looks up how torx are measured
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[03:22:53] <furrywolf> except my internet connection is sucking too badly to load normal webpages, so no looking anything up.
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[03:24:26] <XXCoder1> too bad really
[03:24:29] <XXCoder1> what isp you using
[03:25:26] <furrywolf> heh, seems there's not a direct correlation between dimensions and T#.... to quote a forum post: "I have no idea why Torx are numbered the way they are...
[03:25:27] <furrywolf> I always figured that it had something to do with engineers, a drunken holiday party, rabid weasels, a Mexican stripper and her burro, and 1100 pounds of whipped cream in a inflatable pool..."
[03:26:04] <furrywolf> virgin mobile
[03:29:44] il is now known as audioburn
[03:30:20] <renesis> i thought it had to do with the dimensions
[03:30:36] <furrywolf> smallest bit I can find is a T8, and it's not even close.
[03:30:48] <furrywolf> I had a T4 a long time ago that I got for another project, but I haven't seen it in many years.
[03:31:00] <furrywolf> might just slit it and call it a slotted...
[03:31:06] <XXCoder1> sears tend to have very small torxs
[03:31:11] <XXCoder1> I have torx 1,2,3
[03:31:20] <renesis> get bit sets?
[03:31:30] <renesis> wtf @ torx 1
[03:31:32] <furrywolf> apparantly it's in there tighter than the proper bit can get out. :P
[03:31:56] <furrywolf> renesis: I have bit sets. I have torx (and torx plus!) through T60.
[03:32:13] <renesis> wtf @ t60
[03:32:18] <furrywolf> I generally works on cars, not watches. :P
[03:32:19] <renesis> dont you guys have torx in the middle
[03:32:33] <renesis> whats torx plus?
[03:32:37] <renesis> center dot?
[03:32:39] <XXCoder1> t60! ;)
[03:33:08] <furrywolf> torx plus is "our patent expired so we changed the shape just enough that "star" bits won't fit it so we could keep collecting licensing fees".
[03:33:24] <XXCoder1> that would be t8.3209871e+81 btw. Probably for torx bolts larger than earth.
[03:33:37] <furrywolf> center dot is security torx
[03:33:48] <renesis> right i thought plus might be its actual name
[03:34:07] <furrywolf> no, torx plus is just an evil thing to make money, not something useful. heh.
[03:34:10] <renesis> i think all my torx bits have the dots
[03:34:28] <renesis> it just has smaller inside radius on the screw head?
[03:35:04] <Connor> What about the stupid security screws on iPhones?
[03:35:04] <furrywolf> http://pemcdn.penn-eng.com/design_info/torx_vs_torxplus.jpg
[03:35:14] <renesis> 5 points/
[03:35:15] <renesis> ?
[03:35:21] <renesis> apple are assholes
[03:35:21] <Tom_itx> Connor security torx?
[03:35:26] <renesis> no
[03:35:34] <renesis> apple uses 5 point stars
[03:35:35] <Tom_itx> odd count points?
[03:35:49] <Tom_itx> so a 3point bit will open them
[03:36:20] <renesis> http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/eQeNqVWBXWWSPPKU.medium
[03:36:24] <renesis> pentalobe
[03:36:46] <furrywolf> according to a forum post, the laptop has a T7.
[03:36:52] <Connor> Yup. I've had to tear into my iPhone 4S twice now... what a pita
[03:38:13] * furrywolf has no plans to ever buy an apple product
[03:38:19] <renesis> srsly
[03:38:43] <Tom_itx> i will
[03:38:47] <Tom_itx> i like oranges too
[03:38:51] <XXCoder1> apple owns slaves
[03:38:55] <Tom_itx> oh!...
[03:38:58] <XXCoder1> so yeah noy buying anytime soon too
[03:39:01] <renesis> so does every other pc company
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[03:39:13] <Connor> http://www.lofibucket.com/articles/oscilloscope_quake.html Quake on a Osope!
[03:39:24] <renesis> foxconn builds *everyones* shit
[03:39:36] <XXCoder1> not quite but yeah
[03:39:43] <XXCoder1> its the dark side of tech :(
[03:39:47] <renesis> i opened my dell and theres a half dozen foxconn branded parts
[03:40:00] <renesis> its not the dark side
[03:40:02] <XXCoder1> apple is special because they said their shit dont smell
[03:40:04] <renesis> and theyre not slaves
[03:40:04] <XXCoder1> well it does
[03:40:14] <XXCoder1> renesis: I meant slaves when I said slaves
[03:40:18] <renesis> china is going to be better off for it
[03:40:22] <renesis> its going to fuck us
[03:40:45] <renesis> xxcoder1: its not that bad and they make much more than pannies an hour
[03:40:47] <XXCoder1> http://www.businessinsider.com/secret-filming-inside-apple-factory-bbc-panorama-2014-12
[03:40:57] <XXCoder1> renesis: its not that bad for factory workers
[03:41:06] <XXCoder1> I'm not talking about em
[03:41:10] <furrywolf> center bump removed, so it's no longer security torx.
[03:41:36] <renesis> um
[03:42:14] <renesis> so youre saying apple owns slaves because the raw materials in their products are procured under bad conditions?
[03:42:29] <XXCoder1> literal children slaves
[03:42:41] <renesis> welcome to living on the top of the food chain, thats how all your mass production shit gets made
[03:43:07] <renesis> we chopped up kids during our industrial revolution
[03:43:44] <renesis> we pulled ourselves up and made shit better later when we had the means
[03:44:14] <renesis> american industry's foundation is child slave labor and murder for machine maintenance
[03:44:36] <renesis> and war, so lots and lots of dead civlians
[03:44:49] <XXCoder1> thats what I want to end'
[03:45:01] <XXCoder1> not easy eh
[03:45:07] <renesis> why so they can stay on the bottom and we can stay on top?
[03:45:10] <renesis> theyre puttin work
[03:45:18] <renesis> and were to stupid to realize we gave up
[03:46:02] <renesis> were a service ecnonomy, we jerk each other off, we dont give a shit about education, and we dont make shit (relatively speaking)
[03:46:07] <renesis> we got bombs, thats it
[03:46:12] <renesis> thats why were respected
[03:46:20] <XXCoder1> I work in production type job
[03:46:27] <XXCoder1> cnc operator
[03:46:28] <renesis> i work with chinese CM
[03:46:52] <XXCoder1> every workday I turn alum into airplane parts
[03:46:57] <renesis> well youre anecdotal job doesnt change that we sold out manufacturing
[03:47:02] <XXCoder1> usually alum anyway. rarely not lol
[03:47:08] <renesis> and when it comes back, were essentially starting over
[03:47:49] <XXCoder1> let's see what happens
[03:47:59] <XXCoder1> theres starting to be machines thats generalist
[03:48:10] <renesis> itll be great, but my guess is we have to fuck our ecnomy a bit more before the accountants pull manufacturing back local
[03:48:11] <XXCoder1> machines that can operate stuff like manual mill macgine
[03:48:26] <XXCoder1> yeah I got no flipping idea what future will be like
[03:48:37] <renesis> hard
[03:48:44] <renesis> but itll be better for a lot of chinese
[03:48:57] <renesis> welcome to the equalization of the standard of living of the world
[03:49:00] <furrywolf> got it by chisseling against the points
[03:49:03] <XXCoder1> I hope so
[03:49:15] <XXCoder1> one of aspects I hope to change is far less oil addiction
[03:49:28] <renesis> energy is energy
[03:49:28] <XXCoder1> on that side I want to buy elio and am waiting.
[03:49:36] <renesis> electrics are turning out to be worse
[03:49:39] <XXCoder1> energy from earth is damaging
[03:49:47] <renesis> gasoline is pretty efficient shit
[03:49:55] <XXCoder1> elio still uses gas but 84 mpg
[03:50:23] <XXCoder1> oh telsa just revealed 400 mile electric car
[03:50:31] <XXCoder1> 400 mile is more than most cars out there
[03:50:37] <renesis> um
[03:50:40] <XXCoder1> so yeah :) I wonder how long recharge though ouch
[03:50:42] <renesis> yeah its not the same
[03:50:44] <renesis> at all
[03:50:57] <renesis> 400 miles and then how long to recharge?
[03:51:16] <renesis> my cars range is about 70*24 in a day
[03:51:19] <XXCoder1> probably hours, unfortunately unless they use quick charge
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[03:51:36] <XXCoder1> definitely not long trip car
[03:51:39] <renesis> until they swap batteries, electrics will be for rich fucks
[03:51:50] <renesis> charging is retarded
[03:52:07] <renesis> its just dumb, wtf am i gonna do with a 400 mile car
[03:52:12] <XXCoder1> batteries is still bad :( theres capactors thats hella fast but not as much power
[03:52:19] <renesis> i live four blocks from school and the market
[03:52:22] <XXCoder1> its amazing daily though
[03:52:28] <renesis> car is pretty much for 600 miles trips
[03:52:43] <XXCoder1> ah lucky ya
[03:52:56] <XXCoder1> I have to go 20+ miles on way to work everyday
[03:52:58] <renesis> yeah im not that abnormal
[03:53:04] <renesis> a 400 mile car is for rich fucks
[03:53:13] <XXCoder1> not if gas lol
[03:53:19] <renesis> eh?
[03:53:26] <renesis> gas cars have unlimited range
[03:53:42] <XXCoder1> not quite, its "powered by money"
[03:53:47] <XXCoder1> you cant buy gas without money
[03:53:50] <renesis> because i can put more gas in the car in 3 minutes
[03:53:59] <XXCoder1> but yeah
[03:54:00] <renesis> you cant buy power without money
[03:54:12] <renesis> and power you buy isnt going to get into the battery faster
[03:54:23] <renesis> quick charging in a car is insanity anyway
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[03:54:41] <renesis> charging should be done in charge facities like gas stations, under controlled and safe conditions
[03:54:43] <XXCoder1> not when capactors ever get to near battery amount of power
[03:54:49] <furrywolf> no problems visible under the wireless card cover. both antennas are attached. gave them a wiggle, and put the cover back on using a #00 phillips from the serial port cover, instead of the evil screw.
[03:54:54] <renesis> they should just swap out batteries
[03:55:16] <renesis> pull up, battery drops out or gets pushed out the side or pulled up and out the back
[03:55:34] <furrywolf> renesis: tesla recently announced trials of battery swapping in southern california
[03:55:35] <XXCoder1> nah doesnt work
[03:55:37] <renesis> whatever, but if they dont start making swappable battery packs, its just a technology for rich fucks
[03:55:40] <renesis> a second car
[03:55:43] <XXCoder1> furry interesting
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[03:56:11] <renesis> furrywolf: as maintenance or as normal operation?
[03:56:29] <furrywolf> renesis: as in 3 minutes and $60 later you drive off with a new pack
[03:56:32] <renesis> i saw that mentioned but didnt read the article, i assumed for maintenance and upgrades in the field
[03:56:40] <renesis> cool thats how it should be
[03:57:03] <renesis> i love gas but i would rock an electric sports car that could do that
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[03:57:21] <renesis> if you cant drive coast to coast in it non stop, its a toy
[03:57:39] <XXCoder1> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/122763-graphene-supercapacitors-are-20-times-as-powerful-can-be-made-with-a-dvd-burner
[03:57:56] <XXCoder1> ren unless you just use it for daily drive short range
[03:58:04] <XXCoder1> it certainly work work for my work trips
[03:58:08] <XXCoder1> just plug at home
[03:58:12] <renesis> yeah im not trying to build my life around a toy car
[03:58:13] <Connor> What ever happened to using fuel cells ?
[03:58:20] <renesis> cars are for going places and for emergencies
[03:58:27] <XXCoder1> Connor: platium prices
[03:58:39] <renesis> didnt that involve hydrogen?
[03:58:53] <XXCoder1> they invented something new that acts like platium but vastly cheaper but quiet on that so far
[03:58:56] <furrywolf> connor: fuel cells are a relatively useless technology. everyone who claims they're good somehow forgets that hydrogen doesn't appear out of nowhere to run them.
[03:59:11] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: it uses water
[03:59:17] <renesis> yeah producing hydrogen is a huge energy sink
[03:59:23] <XXCoder1> thing is it require platinium is insane
[03:59:27] <cradek> but you can burn coal to make electricity to make hydrogen!
[03:59:36] <Connor> What I remember is, recharging them by replacing the electrolyte..
[03:59:50] <renesis> cradek: solution is obviously coal plants in space
[03:59:59] <XXCoder1> yummy coal
[04:00:06] <cradek> yes obviously
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[04:00:13] <cradek> we could call it"clean coal technology"
[04:00:15] <renesis> with microwave energy transfer
[04:00:33] <renesis> i think we should just call is laser space coal
[04:00:46] <renesis> laser wouldnt be accurate, but good marketing never is
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[04:01:01] <Connor> Frankly, I liked the Compressed Air Powered cars.. no expensive battery..
[04:01:14] <renesis> range sucked tho, didnt it?
[04:01:20] <cradek> 12 feet?
[04:01:25] <furrywolf> producing hydrogen and running a fuel cell is substantially less efficient than batteries. fuel cells tend to have piss-poor power-weight ratios, requiring very heavy units, weighing more than batteries. hydrogen storage is complex, often heavy, and has safety issues... and weighs more than batteries. oh, and fuel cells are ungodly expensive, and short lived, just like batteries.
[04:01:31] <Connor> Not any worse than electric cars.
[04:01:35] <XXCoder1> Connor: yeah :(
[04:01:41] <XXCoder1> they started working in usa
[04:01:47] <XXCoder1> then some company fucked with it
[04:02:23] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: not if you just carry water and generate hyrogen but somewhat less effecient AND dammit expensive metal
[04:02:40] <renesis> yeah somehow i dont think a compressed air car is going to be safe
[04:02:56] <renesis> if its that compressed
[04:03:00] <Connor> renesis: No more safe than a GAS tank ?
[04:03:07] <renesis> dude gas is pretty safe
[04:03:10] <furrywolf> xxcoder: how do you plan to magically generate hydrogen? turning water into hydrogen requires more energy than you get from the hydrogen.
[04:03:10] <Connor> and yes.. they can be perfectly safe.
[04:03:45] <renesis> like, gas car you usually have time
[04:03:47] <furrywolf> compressed air is safer than compressed hydrogen, at least. :)
[04:03:54] <renesis> if a compressed tank goes, youre prob just over
[04:03:57] <renesis> yeah
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[04:04:00] <renesis> for sure
[04:04:05] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-A-Simple-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cell/
[04:04:14] <Connor> time to eat
[04:04:36] <XXCoder1> its toy project but it does make power
[04:04:46] <XXCoder1> and yes it uses platinium coated wire
[04:04:57] <renesis> anyway, batteries and capacitors are probably the best storage medium besides gasoline
[04:05:28] <furrywolf> and yes it REQUIRES HYDROGEN. hydrogen is NOT EASY TO MAKE. it takes lots and lots of energy to make hydrogen.
[04:05:38] <renesis> and then its hydrogen
[04:05:48] <XXCoder1> renesis: I remember reading about cool new 3d anode and err other but quiet since I guess it failed to move to market like billions of other battery inventions
[04:05:53] <renesis> you want hydrogen depots on every other corner?
[04:05:57] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: dude didnt youy read article
[04:06:02] <XXCoder1> you make power from water
[04:06:19] <XXCoder1> needs small initial power then cycle. it wears out stuff
[04:06:26] <furrywolf> hydrogen can be produced from electricity, in which case the economics are the same as for batteries, except less efficient and heavier. or, you can produce it from natural gas, which happens to also produce just as much co2 as burning said natural gas...
[04:06:28] <renesis> how much energy does it cost to make the cell, and mine the materials, and how long does it last
[04:07:06] <XXCoder1> renesis: unfortunately it will never work as long as it needs platinium. way too expensive. still quiet on that cheap carbon versiobn
[04:07:24] <furrywolf> xxcoder: I suggest you do more reading. the electricity you put in goes to making hydrogen from the water, which is then used to get power back out. but you have to put in substantially more electricity initially than you will get out later. it's just storing electricity, not somehow making it from water.
[04:07:51] <renesis> by the time they peak on li-ion density and reliability, capacitors will be ready
[04:08:03] <XXCoder1> it makes more power than you put into it. that is what makes it fuel cell
[04:08:07] <renesis> and then you get another decade or so of focused advancement
[04:08:11] <XXCoder1> it requires control
[04:08:15] <furrywolf> grrrrrr, and my wireless is back to 100% packet loss!
[04:08:21] <renesis> once they make swapping batteries a standrd, electrics will make sense
[04:08:34] <furrywolf> xxcoder1: no, it doesn't. not just due to reality, but to basic physics.
[04:09:19] <renesis> batteries and caps are proven technology, old hat, its shit were good at
[04:09:28] <furrywolf> you put in a certain amount of electricity, say 100 watt-hours. maybe 80% of that goes to making hydrogen, and 20% goes to making heat. then you turn that hydrogen back to water, getting out electricity... and another 20% heat...
[04:10:38] <furrywolf> the water itself contains no energy - it's just going to sit there, not react. you use energy to convert the water to hydrogen. the hydrogen has energy, and will react with oxygen to turn itself back into water, and you extract energy when it does that. but all it's doing it storing energy, not creating it.
[04:11:42] <renesis> converting energy is a low, stoppit
[04:11:46] <renesis> *loss
[04:12:48] <renesis> ideally you have a factory that makes energy from coal, gas, solar, nuclear, whatever, and you charge the car batteries there
[04:13:08] <renesis> but then you have to transport the batteries, and maybe warehouse, both of which are energy sinks
[04:13:23] <furrywolf> ideally the energy comes out of thin air for free, or at least most people supporting the "hydrogen economy" seem to think so. :P
[04:13:25] <renesis> so prob better to just charge at stations like we do with gas
[04:14:07] <furrywolf> hydrogen is just another form of battery, except it's been shown to be heavier and less efficient.
[04:14:24] <renesis> little nuclear power plants on every other corner to charge car batteries is totally best solution
[04:14:27] <furrywolf> its main advantage is rapid filling of tanks
[04:14:29] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: it is.
[04:14:40] <XXCoder1> fuel cell? not how you think it works
[04:14:43] <XXCoder1> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-cell.htm
[04:14:50] <furrywolf> ok, I'm giving up.
[04:15:02] <toastydeath> lol
[04:16:01] <renesis> i wonder how small you can make a nuclear reactor
[04:16:01] <furrywolf> xxcoder1: the part you don't seem to get is that it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than you get back out when you put the hydrogen into a fuel cell.
[04:16:12] <toastydeath> not very small
[04:16:16] <furrywolf> renesis: the soviets sent several to space.
[04:16:19] <toastydeath> and proliferation is a huge issue
[04:16:22] <furrywolf> in small satellites.
[04:16:25] <renesis> yeah
[04:16:31] <toastydeath> radiodecay generators are a different issue
[04:16:34] <furrywolf> actual reactors, with coolant loops, etc, not just RTGs.
[04:16:37] <toastydeath> but are hugely inefficient and extremely dangerous
[04:17:08] <toastydeath> the smallest you can get a nuclear reactor at the moment is the entire ass end of a submarine
[04:17:31] <renesis> just has to do with critical mass of available materials?
[04:17:46] <toastydeath> has to do with a bunch of different things, not the critical mass.
[04:17:53] <renesis> or its related to the shielding involved
[04:17:57] <furrywolf> toasty: no. very small reactors have been built and successfully put into service.
[04:17:59] <toastydeath> shielding is primary
[04:18:20] <toastydeath> getting the energy out of the steam in any efficient way is the second weight limit
[04:18:52] <toastydeath> the reactor itself can be made very small if you're okay with shitty efficiency and no shielding
[04:19:06] <renesis> right which doesnt work for deployment
[04:19:16] <furrywolf> example: "The first TOPAZ reactor operated for 1,300 hours and then was shut down for detailed examination. It was capable of delivering 5 kW of power for 3–5 years from 12 kg (26 lb) of fuel. Reactor mass was ~ 320 kg (710 lb)."
[04:19:21] <furrywolf> the US had a similar program
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[04:19:35] <renesis> research and mil reactors dont really count
[04:19:52] <toastydeath> yep, and the efficiency is shit and it wasn't shielded
[04:20:33] <renesis> hiking around here is probably not safe because of mil research reactors
[04:20:40] <renesis> in spots
[04:20:46] <XXCoder1> yummy ractors
[04:20:49] <XXCoder1> reactors
[04:20:52] <toastydeath> the biggest weight problem is really the turbines
[04:21:02] <toastydeath> if you are using a steam cycle
[04:21:02] <furrywolf> the US has a current program that uses a very small opposed piston stirling engine, that's supposed to be stupidly efficient.
[04:21:15] <renesis> what else is there besides steam?
[04:21:16] <furrywolf> trying to remember what it was...
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[04:21:30] <XXCoder1> stirling. I need to finish mine dammit lol
[04:21:45] <toastydeath> and on top of all this, the absolute last thing you need is the highly enriched uranium you need for small reactors on every street corner
[04:21:54] <furrywolf> renesis: stirling with hydrogen or helium as the working fluid is popular.
[04:22:01] <XXCoder1> it is pretty effectient allright but it has many of same problems as steam if you wanna directly use it for cars :)
[04:22:09] <XXCoder1> as bonus: not as well researched
[04:22:27] <renesis> furrywolf: right but still big and mechanical
[04:22:38] <toastydeath> keep the reactors in large, highly controlled environments where weight, shielding, and security are not concerns
[04:22:41] <renesis> okay so basically you cant deploy nuclear reactors with current tech
[04:23:16] <renesis> so you just do remote reactors, charge up batteries on street corners
[04:23:18] <toastydeath> if we started seriously researching alternatives today (and we're not) we could probably have working alternatives that were fairly safe and not direct proliferation risks in 20 years
[04:23:31] <renesis> and thatll save the planet
[04:23:58] <furrywolf> again, russia launched ACTUAL, WORKING nuclear reactors aboard satellites, to power actual functional satellites, not just research tests.
[04:24:00] <renesis> you build all the reactors 100 ft underground and put explosives in a concrete dome over them
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[04:24:17] <renesis> some fucks up, you blow the shit up and bury it
[04:24:17] <toastydeath> hell yeah they did, and i hope they never do again
[04:24:41] <renesis> furrywolf: yeah but what kind of shielding and how long they last?
[04:24:44] <toastydeath> none of that was a good idea, it won't ever be a good idea, and pretty much everyone in a position of power has come to the (correct) idea that no, it's not a good idea
[04:25:10] <furrywolf> renesis: one worked for ~20 years until it exploded.... explosion could have been due to failure, or meteorite impact.
[04:25:19] <toastydeath> even with helium cooled, pebble bed thorium reactors
[04:25:30] <XXCoder1> nuclear power makes lot power but risk jeez
[04:25:35] <XXCoder1> I rather not go there heh
[04:25:38] <toastydeath> i do not see the need for that given the risk
[04:25:39] <furrywolf> toasty: and yet nasa is currently researching space stirling generators...
[04:25:44] <renesis> risk can be reduced
[04:25:54] <renesis> you just build it like you know its going to fuckup
[04:25:57] <toastydeath> the risk of someone stealing the reactor and then blowing it up downtown?
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[04:26:08] <toastydeath> and irradiating half the city?
[04:26:18] <XXCoder1> "hot" nuclear waste direct to power is pretty good but like toastydeath says...
[04:26:26] <renesis> price you pay for not be able to defend your shit
[04:26:36] <renesis> we have a huge mil, we should be able to handle that
[04:26:42] <toastydeath> that's a massive cop out for the risk involved
[04:26:44] <furrywolf> personally I think we should put a lot more money into fusion power research.
[04:26:51] <renesis> also, you could design shit so its basically one way
[04:27:04] <furrywolf> fusion power has the potential to safely meet all of our energy needs for a good period of time
[04:27:06] <toastydeath> ...you can't tell *nuclear reactions* not to produce nuclear waste
[04:27:15] <toastydeath> and agree re: fusion
[04:27:34] <renesis> no but you can make it so its nearly impossible to extract the waste or fuel
[04:27:44] <toastydeath> wat
[04:27:50] <renesis> systems were design like normal power plants with too much human involvement
[04:28:02] <furrywolf> fusion reactors contain minimal fuel, and are so hard to keep the reaction going that any failure simply results in the reaction going out. no shutdown systems, etc needed. the worst waste is the irradiated components of the plant at decomissioning time.
[04:28:16] <toastydeath> modern reactor designs are done exactly that way, and they're STILL a threat if someone decides to blow them up
[04:28:36] <renesis> so you make it so if it blows up you can contain it
[04:28:58] <toastydeath> there is no material in the universe that, when stolen by a third party, will resist being turned into a dirty bomb
[04:29:08] <toastydeath> if there were, we'd make safes out of it
[04:29:23] <renesis> dirty bombs are pretty useless?
[04:29:27] <XXCoder1> there is. just make it not produce any. probably impossible though
[04:29:48] <toastydeath> on what planet are dirty bombs useless, they're terror weapons and whole areas are shut down out of public safety
[04:29:59] <toastydeath> the economic damage is enormous
[04:30:30] <XXCoder1> you said there is no material that can't be turned into dirty bomb
[04:30:47] <toastydeath> so when you split an atom, you don't really get to choose the decay products
[04:31:05] <XXCoder1> indeed that's why I said basically impossible
[04:31:11] <toastydeath> it's not "basically impossible"
[04:31:13] <toastydeath> it's flat out impossible
[04:31:34] <XXCoder1> unless its multi-stage process that breaks it far down that it does not decay - ie iron
[04:31:49] <XXCoder1> people said it was impossible to beat speed of dound
[04:31:53] <XXCoder1> sound
[04:32:11] <renesis> yeah i dont think the smart informed people said that
[04:32:13] <toastydeath> so there's a difference between the long-term stability of an isotope, which is what you're referring to with iron i assume
[04:32:35] <XXCoder1> renesis: there is none... now.
[04:32:42] <toastydeath> which is actually the endpoint of fusion and doesn't have anything to do with fission per se
[04:33:23] * furrywolf seems to recall iron being activated in nuclear reactors...
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[04:33:41] <toastydeath> versus fissioning a heavier element into ligher ones, which is completely different and will make all sorts of shit that we're told "is stable" unstable
[04:33:43] <toastydeath> including iron
[04:33:56] <XXCoder1> indeed
[04:34:14] <toastydeath> between the direction fission products themselves being unstable, and neutron capture
[04:34:15] <XXCoder1> there may be unknown future way to make em stable. we sure don't have any such process now.
[04:34:36] <toastydeath> we have really, really, really good reason to believe there's no way to do that, ever
[04:34:41] <XXCoder1> indeed
[04:34:53] <Computer_Barf> so when do i get my mr fusion
[04:35:03] <XXCoder1> mr fusion I want one too.
[04:35:04] <toastydeath> iirc GE is working on that right now
[04:35:06] <furrywolf> I suspect that in the future, we instead find more ways to make them unstable. :P
[04:35:27] <Computer_Barf> the best part of mr fusion is that its made of plastic
[04:35:34] <toastydeath> http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html
[04:35:38] <Computer_Barf> injection moulded white plastic
[04:35:42] <toastydeath> we probably aren't far off
[04:35:49] <XXCoder1> ironically such massive (yet cheap and small) source of power for everyone would cause massive global warming, worse than pollutions we haul up now
[04:36:13] <XXCoder1> Computer_Barf: yeah cover is plastic. internal is unknown
[04:36:37] <furrywolf> xxcoder: probably not. our power use is small compared to solar insolation, and we'd be producing a lot less co2.
[04:36:43] <Computer_Barf> remember when acid rain was going to get so bad our skin would burn?
[04:36:56] <XXCoder1> we dodged that
[04:37:09] <Computer_Barf> or the hole in the ozone was going to expand to cover half the planet?
[04:37:12] <toastydeath> i know far less about global warming, but isn't the issue not strictly heat emitted, but how effective the planet radiates
[04:37:13] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: yeah short term
[04:37:24] <Computer_Barf> or when we were going to be in an ice age by the year 2000?
[04:37:24] <XXCoder1> Computer_Barf: also dodged. we use LOT less hole making chemicals now.
[04:37:59] <XXCoder1> we are supposed to be entering ice age normal cycles
[04:38:08] <Computer_Barf> or how florida was going to be underwater by now
[04:38:11] <XXCoder1> more logs in fire prevented that
[04:38:49] <furrywolf> you ever been to florida? most of it is abour six inches from being underwater already... :P
[04:39:08] <XXCoder1> greenland is melting so fast though :( its stopping normal ocean water movements there
[04:39:13] <XXCoder1> europe will get cold
[04:39:14] <Computer_Barf> yeah, but that wasn't the prediction
[04:39:29] <XXCoder1> scientists change with better data and modeling
[04:39:38] <XXCoder1> evidence based.
[04:39:50] <furrywolf> religists insist the data must be wrong. :P
[04:40:13] <Computer_Barf> thats the thing with modeling
[04:40:49] <toastydeath> you have to be very thin and over 6'0"
[04:41:03] <Computer_Barf> we've still got masses of scientists that didn't grasp the implications of chaos theory
[04:41:20] <Computer_Barf> still trying to model complex systems
[04:41:38] <Computer_Barf> i.e. "climate is not weather"
[04:42:03] <toastydeath> lol, chaos theory just says any particular solution to a class of dynamic systems won't be accurate after a time because of sensitivity to the starting conditions
[04:42:27] <toastydeath> you can still full well look at the system itself and derive probabilities from it
[04:43:02] <XXCoder1> science. it will NEVER be 100%
[04:43:26] <XXCoder1> it takes infinite amount of research to get to 100%
[04:43:27] <toastydeath> that's actually how the first atomic bomb was built
[04:43:36] <Computer_Barf> toastydeath: they are treating the system like its closed in terms of whatever they are modeling, its not.
[04:44:14] <renesis> i think most people constructing models know theyre only as good as known inputs
[04:44:28] <XXCoder1> heh closed energy eoropy is favorite argument for anti-evolution people. Well earth is not closed. we got a big flipping battery one au away
[04:44:34] <renesis> always unknowns
[04:44:42] <XXCoder1> gigo.
[04:45:19] <renesis> living things can survive space and high temps, earth is prob not a closed biological system
[04:45:32] <XXCoder1> talking about energy :)
[04:45:37] <XXCoder1> but yeah
[04:45:50] <Computer_Barf> I wasn't saying it was closed, i said they were treating it like it was.
[04:45:55] <renesis> you brought up evolution
[04:46:00] <XXCoder1> indeed
[04:46:17] <XXCoder1> Computer_Barf: yeah can't model every poossibility
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[04:46:30] <XXCoder1> unless I suppose you got universe simulator
[04:47:00] <renesis> and trying to model what you dont know based on observations of other 'chaotic' systems is still guessing
[04:47:32] <Computer_Barf> I wasn't suggesting they should model every possiblity, i was suggesting that modeling climate will turn out like modeling weather
[04:47:46] <renesis> put a model in your model so you can guess about what youre guessing
[04:48:14] <XXCoder1> yo I heard...
[04:48:17] <renesis> theyre usually right about the weather
[04:48:21] <toastydeath> so at least a quick google reveals that most methods do in fact measure the solar irradiance
[04:48:24] <XXCoder1> *like
[04:48:36] <toastydeath> and take both solar irradiance and thermal radiation into account
[04:49:02] <toastydeath> so i am not sure what else there is to account for?
[04:49:37] <XXCoder1> airplanes
[04:49:37] <renesis> all the other stars, shrug
[04:49:38] <Computer_Barf> thats the point, you won't know until its compounded your model into pointlessness
[04:49:49] <toastydeath> wat
[04:50:11] <XXCoder1> 9/11 taught scientists a lot on airplanes effect on weather. (assuming youre talking about weather modeling)
[04:50:14] <toastydeath> it really hasn't, these seem to all be accounting for the same factors but make slightly different assumptions
[04:50:16] <toastydeath> hence different models
[04:51:05] <toastydeath> there's no compounding of the model, just more numerically robust models as computing power becomes more available
[04:51:25] <toastydeath> they all seem to be using the same fundamental set of multiphysics equations
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[04:52:49] <toastydeath> all of these differences appear to be completely numeric in nature and not at all different in the fundamental physics
[04:53:02] <XXCoder1> who posted compact fusion link?
[04:53:05] <toastydeath> i did
[04:53:27] <XXCoder1> thanks
[04:53:34] <toastydeath> np
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[04:54:45] <XXCoder1> probably will disappear like so many stuff
[04:55:05] <XXCoder1> I really hope graphete capactprs are not one of em. well im out for now
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[05:47:33] <zeeshan> anyone weld a bracket near a cnc controller before?
[05:47:40] <zeeshan> does it destroy the electronics :P
[05:48:09] <zeeshan> even if you keep the tungsten and ground clamp distance 5"? :P
[05:48:14] <zeeshan> with no electronics in the path
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[06:08:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linearmotiontips.com/zip-type-telescoping-actuators-help-specialty-applications/
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[06:33:52] <toastydeath> that's cool as shit
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[08:55:36] <Deejay> moin
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[15:20:54] * JT-Shop finally got Mate installed on Debian
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[15:56:29] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, did you have to build MATE?
[15:56:30] <tjtr33> I'm not so happy with wheezy on a chromebook and Gnome3.
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[16:23:29] <Jymmm> tjtr33: Did you expect gnome to work nicely at all?
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[16:26:36] <roycroft> gnome is a festering pile of shite
[16:27:03] <roycroft> you'd be better off being honest about wanting to run crappy code and just install windows
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[16:50:44] <lair82_> Hello Guys, working on my debian build, I am trying to get my touch screen driver working, and of course I am doing more stumbling around than moving forward, I found this page http://home.eeti.com.tw/LinuxDriverDownload.html and I am not sure which driver to download, any pointers?
[16:51:31] <archivist> only you know which touch screen you have
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[16:52:20] <lair82_> True, all the drivers on that page apply to my screen, I don't know the linux kernel version it is asking for.
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[16:53:39] <PetefromTn_> Hey lair nice to see the touchscreen getting implemented more. I have seen a couple retrofits with them using linuxCNC. Good luck with it man.
[16:54:57] <cradek> Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at home.eeti.com.tw.
[16:55:07] <lair82_> All three of our turning centers use touch screens, and I have never had to load a driver before, they were plug and play, we found these on ebay, got a good deal, and now the are making my god dam hair fall out
[16:55:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:55:20] <PetefromTn_> that bites
[16:55:33] <PetefromTn_> what type of screen do you use on your turning centers
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[16:57:35] <lair82_> We have a couple IBM Point Of Sale touch screens, and those worked fine, but we found these because we wanted to go to a 17" screen instead of 15" like the IBM's
[16:58:10] <PetefromTn_> nice... got any pics of your working setups? Do you have a custom interface setup?
[17:02:20] <lair82_> We just run Gmoccapy
[17:02:50] <cradek> I use touchy on a lathe and a vmc
[17:03:07] <cradek> I think both touch screens just plugged in (usb) and worked
[17:03:23] <cradek> I think they are older elo something-or-other
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[17:05:57] <lair82_> Here is the latest one of them, http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/27099-cincinnati-milacron-12qx60q-retrofit, here is the second one, http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/26348-2nd-cinci-up-and-running, and here is my first retrofit, http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/25774-cincinnati-up-and-running
[17:08:32] <lair82_> What Linux kernel version would a debian build be? "Kernel 2.6.24 Upwards", or "Kernel 2.6.23 Downward" or "Kernel 2.4.X" ?
[17:09:03] <archivist> uname -a in a terminal
[17:09:16] <cradek> it's not really any of those - those are ~ 6 year old numbers
[17:10:01] <lair82_> Thats what they list for a linux based operating system
[17:10:35] <lair82_> I would suppose then that "Kernel 2.6.24 Upwards" should be the right one.
[17:11:12] <cradek> well that sounds like the best guess you can make
[17:11:23] <cradek> it doesn't sound very promising, though.
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[17:15:17] <PetefromTn_> wow man those look like some serious Cincinatti Iron ya got there. Thanks for sharing the pictures and builds.
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[17:19:28] <pcw_home> some suggest using the usbtouchscreen driver for egalaxy rather than the proprietary driver
[17:21:19] <lair82_> By proprietary, you mean the one that comes with debian?
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[17:22:11] <pcw_home> No, the one that comes from EETI
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[17:29:38] <pcw_home> heres a egalaxy touchscreen howto for Ubuntu 14.04 _might be_ helpful for debian:
[17:29:39] <pcw_home> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G4oD6Y8vlyNHW6wJT89pxcjWHoETLLT-SEoAIW6_7Xc/pub
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[17:36:28] <Tom_itx> currently 16F
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[17:38:49] <_methods> no thank you
[17:39:52] <lair82_> I will go give that a whirl pcw_home
[17:40:17] <pcw_home> might be close...
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[17:42:28] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is getting pretty cold man.. I think we are at like 37 degrees here or so.
[17:44:45] <_methods> i guess i won't whine about how cold i am since it's 54 here
[17:45:38] <archivist> I am wearing enough layers
[17:51:04] <Tom_itx> forgot to check what it was this morning
[17:51:11] <Tom_itx> that's the noonish temp
[17:51:32] <Tom_itx> supposed to be 4 overnight
[17:52:15] <unfy> was 4F an hour ago here ._.
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[17:55:04] <PetefromTn_> damn that is getting down there the coldest we have seen here was actually about two below. that is in the 15 years I have lived here anyways...
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[17:56:33] <unfy> if you are from TN, where about in TN ? i've got family there
[17:57:35] <unfy> (a brother an hour or so outside of knoxville, and a cousin ... that is... somewhere)
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[18:03:15] <PetefromTn_> I am about twenty minutes south of KNoxville.
[18:04:07] <lair82__> pcw_home this is all 32bit stuff right?
[18:04:32] <pcw_home> Yes
[18:04:47] <unfy> brother's just south of harriman, in Kingston.
[18:05:10] <lair82__> Would this be with "X" or without?
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[18:13:31] <pcw_home> Dont know :-(
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[19:33:54] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, do you know what they ended up doing on my din rail mounts?
[19:35:20] <pcw_home> I dont know, way things have been going they might ship you a bag of dog hair
[19:37:37] <pcw_home> (I know they have the adapters but they have a huge amount of stuff to ship before year end)
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[21:18:08] <unfy> with a small 16x16 cnc and using the skateboard bearings (8mm inner wall) ... and going the cheap all thread route for leadscrew. would M8 threaded rod be that much beneficial over 5/16th's (7.93 mm ?)
[21:18:29] <unfy> should be less chance for vibration so i'd assume so ?
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[21:26:20] <unfy> granted - 5/16 cheap all thread is what.. $6 ? a couple meters of 8m is $20 in stainless ?
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[21:28:03] <unfy> do both and report back the answer i guess :D
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[21:45:43] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:52:34] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, NP thanks.
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[23:54:26] <PetefromTn_> jeez man..
[23:54:35] <PetefromTn_> just made a bunch of parts for a customer
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[23:54:47] <PetefromTn_> and they are designed to fit a particular product
[23:54:58] <PetefromTn_> they gave me one of the products to build off of
[23:55:08] <PetefromTn_> I have the parts ALMOST finished now
[23:55:16] <PetefromTn_> and they brought over another one
[23:55:25] <PetefromTn_> the new one is SLIGHTLY different LOL
[23:55:36] <PetefromTn_> so now my parts don't fit
[23:56:05] <PetefromTn_> luckily I just have to make some subtle adjustments to them and the program and we will be good again but almost had a heart attack there for a minute
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