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[00:10:51] <Tom_itx> why is aluminum din rail so $$$ from mcmaster?
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[00:11:28] <Tom_itx> maybe it's the builtin brackets
[00:16:31] <Jymm> I have din rail, wanna buy it? lol
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[00:16:42] <Tom_itx> no i got some local today
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[00:17:12] <Jymm> (was a joke)
[00:17:29] <Tom_itx> <Jymm> (serious queston btw)
[00:17:35] * Tom_itx never takes Jymm serious
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[00:27:28] <XXCoder> hey ssi what happened?
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[01:21:39] <JP1> Anyone here playing around with linear delta kins?
[01:23:02] <Tom_itx> rostock has i bet
[01:24:19] <JP1> I have one up and working just have some questions on jogging about jogging
[01:24:41] <JP1> Doh!
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[01:25:20] <XXCoder> jogging on jogging
[01:25:25] <XXCoder> jogging all way down
[01:26:09] <JP1> Jogging in cartesian after homing
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[01:27:18] <XXCoder> maybe someone will answer
[01:28:24] <JP1> Im pretty sure the answer is to create Pyvcp buttons to jog in Cartesian
[01:44:25] <jdh> no clue. how do they jog normally?
[01:45:01] <jdh> and how do they jog in joint mode? or is there one?
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[01:50:06] <JP1> They jog in joint mode.
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[01:52:42] <JP1> The radio buttons in AXIS that are normally labeled X,Y,Z and now J0,J1,J2 I understand why this is. Just seeing if anyone has dealt with this in other ways. I suspect i will just create button and use halui
[02:14:57] <jdh> surely this is a common issue.
[02:15:03] <jdh> with a relatively uncommon kins
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[02:32:23] <JP1> I'm sure it is, just havent found anything on it in the googleverse.
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[03:19:38] <jdh> What does View/World-Mode do?
[03:23:41] <JP1> I will have to check in the morn. It's not close to me right now
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[09:24:59] <Loetmichel> *HARHAR* customer just called... "hoch much thin clients (hardened) can you make and deliver 'til christmas?"... not only that we hawould have to make some enclosures for that, but also the shielded glass in front of the lcd has 8 weeks lead time... and the customer knows that... these ones:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412 luckily boss has laughed at him, and not
[09:24:59] <Loetmichel> promised the impossible... (like usual)
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[10:53:01] <Loetmichel> *GNAZH* order came in... 17 clients... invoice to be written THIS year... delivery: somewhere late february next year ;-9 government agencys and budget issues... now i have to think how to make the monitors speakers simpler... this build was to much work ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14568
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[13:14:46] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/Mazak/mazakcrt.JPG
[13:15:51] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/Mazak/mazakt2.JPG
[13:16:55] <Tom_itx> the new control you're disapointed with?
[13:17:57] <Tom_itx> doesn't look _that_ abused
[13:18:20] <skunkworks> it isn't bad at all.. The thing ended it life in a tool room.
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[13:19:12] <skunkworks> the control seems to work now that we replaced the servo. have not really played with it yet.
[13:19:27] <skunkworks> it is a mazitrol so something new to us
[13:21:57] <skunkworks> we 'think' the issue was backlash - so they tightened up the gibs so much they burned out the servo.
[13:24:01] <skunkworks> the actual issue was a loose timing
[13:24:04] <skunkworks> pully
[13:29:38] <skunkworks> and also the replace the ball screw. there is a note in the matenence manual - $3.5k and it is only about 8 inches of travel.
[13:31:31] <archivist> some suppliers do know how to overcharge
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[13:38:56] <XXCoder> skunkworks: dang
[13:44:50] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/Mazak/turret.JPG
[13:45:01] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/Mazak/chuck.JPG
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[14:03:44] * jthornton can draw a profile in qcad and translate to lathe G code in minutes :)
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[14:06:22] <cradek> jthornton: how?
[14:06:33] <cradek> or do you mean by hand
[14:06:59] <jthornton> I use the info from the properties window with my arc generator to get the arcs
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[14:07:22] <jthornton> and the info from the properties window on lines to get the end points for G1 moves
[14:07:54] <cradek> if you have to rough a big area, doing it by hand gets hard
[14:08:01] <cradek> well not hard, but tedious
[14:08:33] <jthornton> yea
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[14:09:04] <skunkworks> really should look at dxf2gcode again. The little I have played with it - it seems pretty nice
[14:09:30] <skunkworks> wish it had a lathe mode. (or if it does I have not figured it out)
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[14:13:15] <jthornton> well I just found one error in the arc generator...
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[14:16:05] <andypugh> The Cambam lathe post has been OK for me both times I have used it.
[14:16:37] <andypugh> (I do 99% of my stuff with the macros)
[14:17:15] <skunkworks> andypugh, I keep looking at your glade utillities - just have not tried them yet..
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[14:34:07] <skunkworks> I finally just played with the tool table on the emco lahte.. I think I have it figured out. It does seem a little like magic concidering I don't have home switches..
[14:34:52] <PetefromTn_> sweet... I can't wait to start working on my CNC lathe making parts.
[14:35:49] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, did you see..
http://electronicsam.com/images/Mazak/mazakcrt.JPG
[14:36:05] <skunkworks> so not on the conversion list yet...
[14:36:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh well that is cool. I am looking forward to seeing mine work probably gonna be Tax return time before I can swing the parts tho.
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[14:37:09] <PetefromTn_> I did manage to sell a bunch of parts machining to two local companies yesterday.
[14:37:22] <PetefromTn_> one actually paid me entirely in advance! LOL
[14:37:37] <skunkworks> nice!
[14:37:38] <PetefromTn_> so I have a bunch of CNC milling to do here now.
[14:38:12] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: :)
[14:38:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah they I think felt bad because the prototype I did for them they hoped would sell tons and it was less than stellar. But it seems to be picking up now.
[14:38:31] <PetefromTn_> thanks guys.. I am pretty happy to have some CNC work to do now.
[14:38:53] <PetefromTn_> The really good news is they are apparently working on a couple other products they want me to machine
[14:38:57] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: How's the health, btw? All better now?
[14:39:59] <PetefromTn_> Oh man last night I was at WALMART shopping and felt like shit... but my wife got me some different excedrin and I almost immediately started feeling better. This morning I ALMOST feel back to complete normal
[14:40:42] <PetefromTn_> but yeah overall I am feeling TONS better than that whole week of dizziness and nausea,vomiting,, falling down nastiness hehehe
[14:41:24] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Having fun machining parts will hopefully add to the improvement.
[14:41:33] <PetefromTn_> yes indeed
[14:41:47] <PetefromTn_> honesty just having some real paying work is enough to make me smile again.
[14:42:37] <PetefromTn_> They were asking me about some kinda custom idler pulley and another obvious lathe part yesterday and I was like DAMN MAN I NEED MY CNC LATHE WORKING RIGHT NOW!!!!
[14:42:48] <ssi> hate that
[14:42:53] <ssi> I need to get all my crap running
[14:43:25] <PetefromTn_> they have one really cool part they want made that should be interesting we are gonna tackle it after these current parts are finished.
[14:44:08] <PetefromTn_> so in all they have like five different parts they want produced to sell that I am going to be machining as time and money permits them to do it.
[14:44:15] <ssi> I went crazy on ebay last week buying inspection tools :P
[14:44:28] <ssi> I have something stupid now like eight tenths indicators
[14:44:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez man must be nice to be able to spend that kind of money on tooling..
[14:45:10] <ssi> christmas for myself :0
[14:45:19] <PetefromTn_> I was actually thinking of selling my truck or something to get the cash for the lathe conversion LOL
[14:45:22] <ssi> I only have one person to buy for and that's my mom heheh
[14:45:38] <ssi> and I think she's buying me one of the fancy ass mitu solar powered ip67 calipers
[14:45:44] <ssi> and the quick-acting mitu digital mic
[14:45:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I typically just buy for my four kids...
[14:45:56] <PetefromTn_> and my wife
[14:45:59] <ssi> heheh
[14:46:05] <PetefromTn_> nice
[14:46:25] <ssi> and while I spent a pretty good chunk on ebay, everything I got was a pretty good price
[14:46:32] <PetefromTn_> I almost never get anything for myself for Christmas...
[14:46:59] <ssi> got a couple albrecht chucks and a facemill, bunch of surface gages, indicators, mics, a cyl square, southbend toolpost grinder which turned up with junk bearings
[14:47:04] <PetefromTn_> I have gotten some damn good deals on ebay tho.
[14:47:18] <ssi> some small lots of tooling like reamers and taps
[14:47:28] <ssi> a huge bag of random solid carbide inserts
[14:47:35] <PetefromTn_> I gotta machine some custom soft jaws this morning and order materials
[14:48:14] <PetefromTn_> Damn it is good to finally feel better. Was beginning to think it was never gonna happen LOL
[14:48:21] <ssi> any idea what caused it?
[14:49:20] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I believe it was some sort of virus that happened to land in my head causing me to have a vertigo episode. Even after the vertigo subsided I had a lot of flu like symptoms even as recent as yesterday
[14:49:46] <ssi> have you been prone to vertigo before
[14:50:01] <PetefromTn_> had lots of stomach issues as well so that and the Doctor at the ER said I was pretty damn dehydrated for some reason.
[14:50:06] <PetefromTn_> NEVER in my life before
[14:50:30] <PetefromTn_> man let me tell you that is a miserable and damn frightening experience...
[14:50:37] <ssi> yeah I'm sure
[14:50:50] <PetefromTn_> I thought I was haing a stroke or something for a little while there...
[14:51:04] <PetefromTn_> Doctors even checked me for all that and found nothing
[14:51:45] <PetefromTn_> even did a CT scan of my head
[14:52:35] <PetefromTn_> Oh well it is over now thankfully and I can get back to work and try to remain healthy again.
[14:56:10] <ssi> I got one seat done finally hahah
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[14:56:33] <PetefromTn_> nice
[14:56:41] <ssi> I had to get my welder hooked up and running so I could weld up a frame to stretch the bottom cover with hog rings
[14:56:57] <PetefromTn_> gotta have the tig!!!
[14:56:58] <ssi> now I need to sew up the left seat bottom and get it stretched as well
[14:57:07] <ssi> yeah seriously
[14:57:22] <ssi> also I need to paint the bottom half of the left seat frame
[14:57:32] <ssi> the right seat had a 1 piece frame that I painted before I stretched the new sling on it
[14:57:43] <ssi> the left seat has a height-adjustable frame
[14:57:55] <ssi> so I took the top part that the actual seat is attached to off and painted it
[14:57:55] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta get the machine cranked up and setup the soft jaws so I can cut these parts....
[14:58:00] <ssi> but the bottom part needs tobe painted
[14:58:11] <ssi> get it going
[14:58:25] <PetefromTn_> glad you got your seats going.
[14:58:33] <PetefromTn_> gonna be sweet to have them in the plane
[14:58:56] <ssi> I put the one in
[14:58:57] <ssi> it looks great
[14:59:30] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4_Dz63IYAAudAy.jpg:large
[14:59:40] <ssi> bad pic, but it was hard to take a good pic with the crappy light in that hangar
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[15:05:13] <PetefromTn_> Looks sharp man.
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[15:05:31] <PetefromTn_> maybe when I get another Fiero GT I will have you do my seats LOL...
[15:05:36] <ssi> hehe
[15:05:39] <ssi> it's not terribly hard
[15:05:44] <ssi> not as hard as it seems like it is
[15:05:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have actually reupholstered a couple seats before.
[15:06:20] <PetefromTn_> I redid my Rock Crawler Suzuki Samurai seats in some tough naugahyde
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[15:06:31] <PetefromTn_> the factory ones were toast.
[15:06:56] <PetefromTn_> I just removed the old seat skin and carefully cut it all apart at the seams with a razor knife
[15:07:08] <PetefromTn_> then laid all the pieces out and traced them
[15:07:22] <PetefromTn_> then cut it all apart and started sewing LOL
[15:07:24] <ssi> yep
[15:07:30] <ssi> then add 1/2" all the way around and sew'er up
[15:07:32] <ssi> :D
[15:07:41] <PetefromTn_> the hard part is getting it all to fit tight
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[15:07:55] <ssi> yeah
[15:08:09] <ssi> a lot of the time what you need to do is sew some pull threads on the back of the low spots
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[15:08:16] <ssi> and pop them through the seatback or bottom with a needle
[15:08:23] <PetefromTn_> I had a makeshift hog ring pliers so it was doubly hard.
[15:08:27] <ssi> then you can pull those down and tie them to suck the low spots into the foam
[15:08:40] <ssi> otherwise when you stretch the covers those'll pull up away from the foam and look bad
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[15:08:59] <PetefromTn_> yup I did that in the creases along the back and bottom
[15:09:01] <ssi> and if the seats are really heavily bolstered you have to put lots of pulls in
[15:09:24] <PetefromTn_> it had the horizontal creases in several spots.
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[15:28:27] <archivist> strange claim for this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lathe-chuck-horizontal-boring-machine-3-phase-spares-or-repair-/261702325808
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[15:30:21] <ssi> eh?
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[15:32:52] <andypugh> I don’t see £400 there
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[15:36:56] <archivist> I dont see a horizontal boring machine either
[15:38:56] <andypugh> Well, it is _quite_ boring...
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[15:41:08] <skunkworks> it is horizonal...
[15:42:48] <archivist> grmbl, cant make the animation in solidworks do a verge escapement....yet
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[15:58:38] <ssi> I wish I could go flying instead of going to work
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[16:06:46] * SpeedEvil attaches ssi to the Z axis.
[16:07:11] * jthornton notices that qcad arcs are always CCW from start angle to end angle
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[16:09:27] <Loetmichel> *ha*, third time is a charm... had to do a few tries until the aluminium folded like i wanted. but now the speakers are MUCH less glueing and fiddeing than in the plastic version in the background... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15445
[16:09:54] <ssi> hehe nice
[16:10:10] <ssi> I had to bend some 1/8"x2" flatbar on sunday
[16:10:22] <ssi> and I ended up doing it with a v-block and a piece of 1/2" round on my bearing press
[16:10:29] <ssi> I need to make a dedicated press bending die for it
[16:12:22] <ssi> k going t owork
[16:12:23] <ssi> ble
[16:13:48] <Loetmichel> i did it by hand
[16:14:02] <Loetmichel> thats the nice thing in aluminium... folds like origami ;-)
[16:16:31] <JT-Shop> dang property taxes are higher on my motorcycles than my cars or trucks
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[16:29:34] <andypugh> ssi: These are really useful:
http://www.axminster.co.uk/adjustable-vice-jaw-benders
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[16:51:49] <Rab> andypugh, nifty!
[16:57:51] <Rab> 'Vise brake' seems to be the Yank term.
[16:58:16] <andypugh> Well worth having. And you can do very long folds in steps.
[16:59:47] <CaptHindsight> if you don't mind wavy bends
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[17:02:10] <andypugh> If you do it in a series of very small and overlapping bends, it works OK.
[17:03:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/bendal-press-brake-/271706225718 a bargain!
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[17:04:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Press-Brake-55T-Dreis-Krump-8L12-12-O-A-86-B-H-/251731212350 another bargain but I think these are the type that OSHA dosesn't like anymore
[17:04:22] <CaptHindsight> you can't get your shop insured if you have one in the US
[17:05:43] <PetefromTn_> that is a HEAVY bitch LOL
[17:06:04] <CaptHindsight> local for me
[17:06:32] <PetefromTn_> what makes it osha NON compliant?
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[17:08:06] <CaptHindsight> I'm not exactly sure if it's OSHA or just some hurdle that insurance co's have
[17:08:18] <CaptHindsight> someone here was talking about it a few weeks ago
[17:08:33] <CaptHindsight> thats why so many are available for cheap
[17:08:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah but what about it is the problem?
[17:09:07] <CaptHindsight> I recall it had to do with the trigger of the press
[17:11:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/machineguarding/presses/press_brake.html but I don't see any special notices at OSHA
[17:12:05] <CaptHindsight> I can use a nice 8' brake for making cabinets
[17:13:16] <roycroft> it says that it can be operated by dual thumb switches *or* a foot switch
[17:13:24] <roycroft> get rid of the foot switch and i bet you'd be fine
[17:13:52] <CaptHindsight> as long as you still have both thumbs
[17:14:09] <roycroft> if you get rid of the foot switch there's a better chance you'll still have both thumbs
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[17:16:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dhlICaDJdY 8' x 55 Ton Mechanical Press Brake, Model 68B
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[17:18:31] <CaptHindsight> listen to the chatter
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[17:20:38] <Benjamin23> greets all, I'd want to do PCB milling with an openbuilds OX or Routy. I am a wee bit lost though, there are a lot of USB stepper motor drivers out there, though the linuxCNC website recommends using parallel port for control
[17:20:52] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: yes
[17:21:11] <CaptHindsight> USB is not real time
[17:21:13] <SpeedEvil> Ideal for origami
[17:21:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVgcKQ5Zghw they all chatter
[17:21:29] <SpeedEvil> USB can too be real time
[17:21:33] <Benjamin23> so parallel port it is then. what is being used for drivers?
[17:21:35] <CaptHindsight> never really noticed that before
[17:21:51] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: what motors?
[17:22:11] <Benjamin23> not sure yet. the build plans are on the bench for what I want
[17:22:16] <Benjamin23> probably NMEA 23
[17:22:19] <Benjamin23> at least
[17:22:23] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: stepper motors?
[17:22:44] <Benjamin23> CaptHindsight: at least NME 23 or larger
[17:23:22] <PetefromTn_> how exactly can USB be real time?
[17:23:24] <Benjamin23> I am sure I will want to mill other types of material after a while
[17:23:50] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: look at keiling/automation technology, leadshine for stepper drives
[17:23:53] <Benjamin23> PetefromTn_: I have zero idea. I do notice some jitter on the 3D printer
[17:24:16] <mozmck> USB can be realtime if you only need a pulse every few seconds :)
[17:24:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPhtqfZVn0Q Hydraulic "Speedibender" 10' x 16 Gauge
[17:24:59] <CaptHindsight> much quieter operation
[17:25:04] <Benjamin23> is there a separate driver needs for the spindle motor?
[17:25:14] <CaptHindsight> yes
[17:26:08] <CaptHindsight> a fixed speed spindle like a router just needs a relay, variable speed spindles generally use PWM
[17:26:09] <Benjamin23> is there a driver from the computer that connects to the stepper drivers?
[17:26:40] <CaptHindsight> some stepper drivers have LPT connectors
[17:26:55] <CaptHindsight> other just need a simple LPT breakout board
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[17:27:56] <PetefromTn_> or a nice 5i25/7i76 combo and be done with it LOL
[17:28:00] <Benjamin23> ok. How well does some cheap shit like this ebay item work: 331390055829
[17:28:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Leadshine-M325-2-Phase-Hybrid-Stepper-Drive-30VDC-2-5A-/300958688069
[17:29:00] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: those drives tend to be noisy, some people don't mind them
[17:29:15] <CaptHindsight> there are some simple mods to get them to behave better
[17:29:35] <CaptHindsight> heh, from Nanjing, China
[17:29:37] <jdh> 6600 is not better?
[17:29:40] <Benjamin23> audible noise isn't a concern unless it is from nasty electronic harmonics which will cause issues elsewhere
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[17:31:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=Hot+5+Axis+CNC+Breakout+Board+for+Stepper+Motor+Driver+with+DB25+Cable&_id=111149514180
[17:31:27] <archivist> I like how the psu is not rated for all the 4 steppers at full current
[17:32:35] <CaptHindsight> the docs for these are all terrible and misleading, you should be comfortable with a multimeter and understand sourcing and sinking type outputs if you care to use them
[17:34:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdIPBvdZED0 CINCINNATI 10' x 150 / 90 TON MECHANICAL PRESS BRAKE
[17:35:05] <Benjamin23> alright, I should ask: I am going to use gEDA to design the PCBs going to be used. any special considerations that probably should be taken into account?
[17:36:15] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: just what a board hose expects for trace, space, drill size vs pad size, trace space vs hole clearance etc etc
[17:36:19] <Benjamin23> and for those using gEDA and linuxcnc, is there any programs used to change/modify/convert gEDA output files to something that LinuxCNC needs in order to understand
[17:36:23] <CaptHindsight> hose/house
[17:36:48] <Benjamin23> I am going to be using the CNC machine to make my own boards
[17:37:13] <CaptHindsight> ah you mean to generate G-code from gerbers and drill files
[17:37:15] <Benjamin23> there are too many revisions, and immediate updates which means lost money
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[17:37:20] <Benjamin23> CaptHindsight: yes
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[17:46:14] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYb668UaFF4
[17:46:43] <archivist> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb2gcode/
[17:47:42] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: how do you plate your through holes? or do you skip that step?
[17:48:41] <archivist> when I was a lad we used "pin throughs"
[17:50:19] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23:
http://hackaday.com/2012/08/16/toorcamp-milling-pcbs-with-kicad/
[17:50:41] <CaptHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2011/04/22/pcb-milling-tutorial/
[17:50:49] <Benjamin23> I skip that step... probably because I have zero idea how to do it
[17:51:58] <Benjamin23> but I also am only doing single sided boards at present. Perhaps after gaining milling experience and learn how to accurately mill both sides of a double-sided copper clad board, I will need to plate the holes
[17:52:52] <archivist> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-connector-contacts/1009878/
[17:53:07] <CaptHindsight> I think most people skip it and just use through hole components or solder in short lengths of wire
[17:53:10] <archivist> those were the pins we used in the old days
[17:54:29] <Benjamin23> through hole plating does have it's benefits, usually for grounding and assisting with preventing stray capacitance
[17:55:11] <CaptHindsight> there used to be a mini mill for multilayer that used star shaped plugs for vias
[17:55:27] <Benjamin23> but I think for the experimenter or even small business that makes their own boards, through hole plating is not worth the extra expense
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[17:56:09] <archivist> hmm I have the right machine in the garage to make those old style pins
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[17:56:19] <Benjamin23> yeah, I am aware they are also for vias, but nothing that can be done with a bare wire. I have a number of spools of tinned bare wired I picked up for making vias and jumpers
[17:56:37] <CaptHindsight> archivist: did it from them from wire?
[17:57:01] <CaptHindsight> from/form
[17:57:01] <archivist> wire or very thin bar
[17:57:46] <archivist> sort of item a sliding head lathe would make
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[18:00:29] <andypugh> Benjamin23: LinuxCNC doesn’t_only_ support parallel port. There are lots of PCI options.
[18:01:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[18:02:16] <Benjamin23> andypugh: I remember seeing those. However the specialized cards add to the expense. This guy is on a shoestring budget so I am going to get to get the less expensive stuff, clean up the disasters I make, and then get the stuff for increased resolution, size, and overall quality
[18:02:22] <CaptHindsight> 6i24 is on there now
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[18:03:38] <Benjamin23> what are the issues with the ethernet versions of those FPGA cards
[18:04:32] <CaptHindsight> they work
[18:04:54] <CaptHindsight> Benjamin23: do you mean problems by issues?
[18:05:15] <Benjamin23> yes, lag, issues that would be caused by latency, if any
[18:05:23] <pcw_home> If you are using chinese TBXXXX drivers you wont gain much from hardware step generation
[18:06:38] <Benjamin23> pcw_home: I'm not to concerned with half stepping at present. I'd rather use mechanics for smaller resolutions than software
[18:06:48] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: are the ethernet fpga cards available yet or are you still testing hm2-eth?
[18:07:15] <Benjamin23> yes that means movements would be slower, but, there would the added torque
[18:08:03] <pcw_home> hm2-eth is part of linuxcnc 2.7 (the Ethernet cards have been available for more than a year , except 7I92)
[18:08:46] <pcw_home> higher ustep ratios result in better performance regardless of gearing
[18:08:56] <mozmck> does hm2-eth work with an rtai kernel or does it need preempt-rt?
[18:09:15] <pcw_home> Preemt-RT currently
[18:09:19] <mozmck> ok
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[18:10:18] <pcw_home> also machinekit with Xenomai will probably be resurrected
[18:12:23] <pcw_home> (now that one of the chief Xenomai devels says he will dust off RT-Net)
[18:15:27] <CaptHindsight> our branch of RTAI is moving up to 3.18
[18:16:13] <CaptHindsight> paolo threw in the towel, so it's up to us to keep RTAI moving
[18:18:05] <andypugh> That precise eventuality was why mah tried to get linuxCNC to work on Xenomail and RT-preempt.
[18:19:42] <pcw_home> I seems that all three RT linux flavors have a single main developer each :-(
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[18:19:56] <CaptHindsight> all he had to do was be civil
[18:20:21] <pcw_home> none seem terribly civil...
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[18:20:51] <CaptHindsight> until memleak gets tired of it RTAI should be around
[18:21:58] <CaptHindsight> I think RTAI will end up getting trimmed down to basically ipipe and whatever Linuxcnc needs
[18:22:47] <CaptHindsight> the problem with all of them is that the kernel, X and GPU driver devs are talking directly to hardware
[18:23:05] <CaptHindsight> so they violate any scheduler
[18:24:48] <andypugh> pcw_home: Gilles can certainly be rather abrupt at times.
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[18:25:33] <pcw_home> Tom G is similar
[18:25:59] <pcw_home> Probably goes with the territory
[18:27:42] <andypugh> pcw_home: Have you seen these?
http://www.powerpax.co.uk/power-supplies/pcb-mounting-power-supplies/1w-to-5w-miniature-pcb-mount-ac-dc-power-supplies/1w-to-3w-miniature-pcb-mount-ac-dc (CUI hav something identical including the colour, with a different screenprint)
[18:28:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1749 surprising to see an >$100 board from a maker shop
[18:29:18] <pcw_home> No but I guess they are a wall wart SMPS on a board
[18:30:14] <andypugh> pcw_home: Almost certainly, but rather easier to package.
[18:31:18] <pcw_home> Ahh i wonder where the line filter was (the Electrolytic cap is external)
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[18:33:58] <andypugh> The datasheet standard of english isn’t very good, so I suspect that the product is made in China and badge-engineered. But it does say “If EMC performance is not required,C1 could not need.”
[18:34:02] <Rab> CaptHindsight, that's a healthy $35 markup.
[18:34:07] <Rab> http://synthetos.myshopify.com/products/tinyg
[18:35:40] <CaptHindsight> thats only 26%
[18:36:58] <CaptHindsight> but if they only stock them vs support them that's not a bad margin for a disti
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[18:38:09] <Rab> "For more information on TinyG see the TinyG WIki. For trouble shooting, see the TinyG section of the Synthetos Forums." Doesn't sound like Adafruit is offering much support.
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[18:38:45] <CaptHindsight> the DRV8811 are ~$2ea
[18:39:13] pinkfloyd is now known as Audioburn
[18:40:01] <CaptHindsight> so ~$25 in parts if you shop well
[18:40:18] <anonimasu> pcw_home: Got it working finally
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[18:40:35] <anonimasu> runs fairly good, but on the really slow speed I have a bit of hickups
[18:42:43] <pcw_home> hickups?
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[18:47:00] <pcw_home> going at very low speeds smoothly requires high encoder resolution (Why Fanuc went from 10000 counts/turn in the 80s to 65536 then 1M and currently 16M Counts/turn)
[18:47:18] <anonimasu> I have 4096
[18:47:37] <anonimasu> fast speed is smooth and fine
[18:50:08] <anonimasu> one second uploading a video
[18:50:20] <anonimasu> (I dont have of the slow speed though
[18:50:50] <anonimasu> it ticks sometimes, like it misses a phase(this is without tuning the offset anything)
[18:50:58] <anonimasu> is lead angle always 90 deg?
[18:51:03] <anonimasu> even for a 8 pole motor?
[18:51:19] <pcw_home> poles dont matter
[18:52:21] <pcw_home> because those are electrical degrees
[18:54:06] <anonimasu> so it cant be something like that
[18:55:51] <anonimasu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mBp2CBiFc&list=UUwhQlX-g5BkGg1pF3bWWo2Q
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[18:57:27] <anonimasu> does it work?
[18:57:29] <anonimasu> the link
[18:57:42] <pcw_home> yes
[18:58:09] <anonimasu> that's at top speed
[18:58:13] <anonimasu> and half
[18:58:35] <anonimasu> can it be something like the offset being a tiny bit off
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[18:59:55] <pcw_home> the homing offset is not terribly critical (20 electrical degrees is unnoticeable)
[19:00:55] <anonimasu> I have only one issue before moutning them, how do you make the drives _stop_ when you f-error
[19:01:02] <pcw_home> Note also that it will be nearly impossible to get decent tuning on bare motors
[19:01:22] <pcw_home> drive enable
[19:01:31] <anonimasu> mhm, hook it up to a error pin?
[19:02:01] <anonimasu> or is there a pin for that(I couldnt find) im on the current release
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[19:02:21] <pcw_home> there has always been a pin for that :-)
[19:02:34] <anonimasu> in HAL or hardware?
[19:02:47] <pcw_home> in HAL
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[19:03:03] <anonimasu> then I need to find it :D
[19:03:23] <pcw_home> and its always supposed to be wired to servo drive enable
[19:03:58] <anonimasu> hmm, the 8i20 green didnthave it
[19:04:04] <pcw_home> axis.0.amp-enable-out
[19:05:05] <anonimasu> how do you sanely wire that? pid.x.enable? too
[19:07:01] <anonimasu> nvm.
[19:07:03] <anonimasu> found it
[19:07:51] <pcw_home> typically the enable outs go to the physical drive enables (they might do other things depending on your setup)
[19:08:22] <anonimasu> also, one last thing, could you get me a new firmware for the 8i20's so I can start without HV on(I have a estop circuit with a safety relay and a contactor for motor power)
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[19:08:46] <pcw_home> its on our website
[19:08:50] <anonimasu> also for the hard limit switches
[19:09:34] <anonimasu> is that a good way or is it bad to drop power from the 8i20 and expect it to brake the axes?
[19:11:21] <anonimasu> (got feedback to disable the amps from that circuit back into emc wired too)
[19:11:27] <pcw_home> If you want the 8I20 to brake the axis you need to put a load on the power supply
[19:11:41] <anonimasu> I have braking resistors wired to the drives
[19:12:28] <anonimasu> (the same size as the manual recomended)
[19:12:40] <pcw_home> yeah but those wont go on
[19:13:04] <anonimasu> why?
[19:13:24] <pcw_home> They only go on on overvotage
[19:14:08] <anonimasu> so wire my
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[19:14:45] <anonimasu> mhm, wouldnt my capacitor there be enough?
[19:14:58] <anonimasu> i
[19:15:18] <pcw_home> Often the power supply has a shunt resistor thats switched in when powered down
[19:15:20] <anonimasu> ie, when you estop the feed to the transformer is removed
[19:16:07] <pcw_home> when the drives are disabled they will coast (unless you pull the VBUS supply down)
[19:16:43] <andypugh> I wonder if the Arduino input stage has the right caps to take that little PSU directly-connected?
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[19:17:29] <pcw_home> maybe since it probably draws very little
[19:18:34] <anonimasu> pcw_home: no chance of doing that any other way?
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[19:18:43] <anonimasu> if I wire up a shunt resistor would that work?
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[19:19:21] <anonimasu> I have a discharging resistor for the cap tho
[19:19:37] <anonimasu> (too small tho)
[19:19:56] <anonimasu> I gtg, but please give me a good idea (This machine is damn fast like 30m/min)
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[19:22:23] <anonimasu> so whatever I can do to slow it down fast is good :D
[19:23:10] <pcw_home> yeah a shunt resistor thats switched on with a relay at power off is best (but tricky because you dont want the relay to break DC current)
[19:24:18] <andypugh> I avoid that in HAL.
[19:24:43] <andypugh> (if this is an 8i20 you can even monitor bus voltage in HAL to avoid it)
[19:26:53] <pcw_home> Breaking an amp or 2 at 320V on a standard relay makes an arc welder
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[19:27:46] <Jymm> heh
[19:28:31] <zeeshan> dont standard relays have a flyback diode
[19:28:32] <zeeshan> for that
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[19:29:37] <Jymm> zeeshan: A diode across the relay coil is just to absorb the BEMF
[19:29:51] <zeeshan> isn't that what causes the arcing :)
[19:29:52] <Jymm> ...when the coil is deenergized
[19:30:02] <pcw_home> This is not a relay coil issue but relay contacts switching DC
[19:30:05] <Jymm> No, that would be breaking open the contacts
[19:30:22] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16005576822/
[19:30:26] <zeeshan> if you look at the contactors on the right
[19:30:32] <zeeshan> that black box thing sticking out
[19:30:41] <zeeshan> i looked that up and its called an "arc suppressor"
[19:30:46] <zeeshan> and has a symbol for a diode on it
[19:30:51] <zeeshan> thats why i am confused
[19:30:56] <pcw_home> even without inductive loads, breaking HV DC is s difficult problem
[19:31:35] <zeeshan> thats in parallel with the 24vdc coils
[19:31:43] <zeeshan> okay i get it.
[19:31:47] <zeeshan> thats for the coil side of the contactor
[19:31:50] <zeeshan> not the high side
[19:31:59] <Jymm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_suppression
[19:32:05] <zeeshan> i got confused :)
[19:32:21] <pcw_home> big DC contactors have blowout coils and other exotica
[19:32:36] <zeeshan> these things have different AC# ratings
[19:32:42] <zeeshan> i think ac3 @ 15a means
[19:32:51] <zeeshan> full inductive 15a break capacity
[19:32:59] <zeeshan> for a certain number of cycles
[19:33:06] <Jymm> zeeshan: That thing you saw, may actually help for the contacts. But the diode thing is typically across the coil.
[19:33:24] <zeeshan> Jymm: i was wrong
[19:33:25] <Jymm> and both serve different purposes
[19:33:30] <zeeshan> that thing is in parallel with the coils
[19:33:32] <zeeshan> not the contacts
[19:33:35] <pcw_home> it help the contacts that switch the coil
[19:33:53] <Jymm> zeeshan: Are you sure? What I read it might acually help the contacts.
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[19:34:11] <Jymm> zeeshan: ...and have nothing to do with the coil.
[19:34:13] <zeeshan> Jymm: i think it can help the contacts, im not denying that :P
[19:34:16] <zeeshan> im saying for my contactors
[19:34:20] <zeeshan> its in parallel with the coil
[19:34:23] <Jymm> zeeshan: ah, gotcha.
[19:34:40] <Jymm> zeeshan: an expensive 1N4001 =)
[19:34:44] <zeeshan> lol
[19:35:13] <Jymm> ok 1n4004 ;)
[19:35:25] <zeeshan> just put a siemens badge on it
[19:35:28] <zeeshan> and its 100x the price
[19:36:01] <Jymm> zeeshan: Got arc supression for this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAlyEMQxTN0
[19:36:35] <zeeshan> lol
[19:36:52] <Jymm> YEAH BABY 16ft tall arc!!!
[19:36:59] <Jymm> @ 230KV
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[19:39:11] <Jymm> I found a 1200 Lumen headlamp but it's $75 =(
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[19:40:54] <Jymm> http://www.amazon.com/Armytek-Brightest-Rechargeable-Headlamp-Headlight/dp/B00GJUCS7I/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1418758824&sr=1-1
[19:41:47] <Jymm> I like that it has a 3lm (18 days) mode.
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[19:45:36] <ReadError> i want one of the zebralight ones
[19:45:41] <ReadError> used one once, very nice
[19:46:04] <Jymm> ReadError: which one?
[19:46:38] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Zebralight-H600F-MKII-Headlamp-Frosted/dp/B00IT3LXII/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=1BF4E2YAX81K0G6X6HER
[19:46:43] <ReadError> was something similar to that
[19:46:47] <ReadError> but an older model I think
[19:48:25] <Jymm> ReadError: The wizard is a little brighter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC4P0VqX8lg
[19:48:40] <Jymm> oh wait, aboutthe same.
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[19:49:52] <Jymm> I'd like a little more throw though.
[19:50:30] <Jymm> I want to see the bear I scared and is about to attack =)
[19:51:16] <ReadError> im not super into them like this guy
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[19:51:26] <ReadError> I got a pretty sweet modded one from this guy on ebay
[19:51:33] <Jymm> into what exactly? flashlights?
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[19:52:10] <ReadError> yea
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[19:52:39] <Jymm> Ah. I do have a light fetish, but I'm not into the entire modding thing.
[19:53:05] <Jymm> I DO like bright, but not at a total cost of battery life.
[19:53:16] <Jymm> a ten minute flashlight is useless to me.
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[19:53:57] <ReadError> yea true
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[19:54:23] <Jymm> Hell, I have 45m spotlight and really sucks when you've been searching for 20 minutes, then start to walk back.
[19:56:37] <Jymm> I have some nice 800 Lumen flashlights that I like. But there was a really bad accident and I was directing traffic for 40 minutes or so, but the gf was saying that she wasn't sure what i had in my hand as she thought it wasn't very bright. so now that's justification for a 1200-1800 (actual) lumen light =)
[19:56:38] <ReadError> ahh yea, i kinda want to grab one of those epic cree leds
[19:56:44] <ReadError> something like 30V ;p
[19:58:00] <Jymm> Dont think I've seen them.
[19:58:20] <Jymm> or are you talkng those 1" jobs?
[19:58:49] <Jymm> Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIBIqaeiE2M
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[20:02:37] <ReadError> http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Arrays-NonDirectional/XLamp-CXA3070
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[20:04:39] <Jymm> Yeah, newer version of the above. But need a refector =)
[20:05:35] <ssi> Jymm: I need to take some of the high power flashlight stuff that's out there and make some landing lights for my RV
[20:05:59] <ssi> about 18 months ago I bought a bunch of chinese flashlight parts but I haven't gotten around to solidifying what I'm going to use
[20:06:44] <ssi> I need something that'll make about a 50' diameter spot at 400' and be as bright as possible
[20:07:00] <ssi> with a driver that'll run on 12V and not make a bunch of RF noise, as they'll be colocated with my nav antennas
[20:07:10] <roycroft> have you looked into a used fresnel lens array from a lighthouse? :)
[20:07:17] <ssi> that's a bit on the large side :P
[20:07:29] <roycroft> but it would do the job
[20:07:39] <ssi> no, it wouldn't
[20:07:46] <ssi> because it wouldn't fit in the wingtip and it weighs far too much
[20:07:56] <roycroft> details, details
[20:08:09] <roycroft> buy a lighthouse from apple
[20:08:23] <roycroft> they'll charge you 2x as much for a lighthouse 1/10th the size
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[20:10:51] <Jymm> Can wood glue be thinned with water?
[20:10:59] <Jymm> (it's an old bottle)
[20:11:36] <roycroft> as you pour it down the drain so it doesn't clog up the drain pipe, sure
[20:12:16] <Jymm> Ah they say up to 5%
[20:12:52] <Jymm> But this is almost 2y old and really thick.
[20:12:57] <roycroft> i don't like using wood glue that's more than a year old - it seems to lose strength
[20:13:12] <roycroft> i've had failures in the past using old glue, so i just toss it if it's a year old now
[20:13:36] <Jymm> This is just a repair. Using if for a filler to a crack so not a biggy
[20:13:40] <roycroft> i'm assuming you're talking about yellow glue, or the similar brown stuff
[20:13:47] <roycroft> oh, that's not a big deal
[20:13:53] <Jymm> yellow tightbond II
[20:14:03] <roycroft> yeah, that stuff is what i use up in a year
[20:14:07] <Jymm> Yeah, not structural at all
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[20:14:45] <roycroft> i've taken to writing the purchase date on solvents/paints/glues/etc. with a lacquer pen so i can both track how quickly i use it for restocking purposes and for getting rid of old stuff
[20:14:47] <Jymm> Just fixing cracked veneered partical board shelf
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[20:15:03] <roycroft> i.e. if i buy a quart of a solvent and use it up in six months i'll buy a gallon the next time
[20:15:14] <roycroft> if it lasts 3 years i'll replace it with another quart
[20:15:45] <Jymm> Make sense. Cant get MFK here anymore, bastards
[20:15:51] <Jymm> err MEK
[20:15:56] <roycroft> that stuff is nasty
[20:16:11] <Jymm> I's GREAT stuff
[20:16:14] <roycroft> you really need a good respirator when you're using it - that's why it's so restricted
[20:16:34] <Jymm> It's a PREFECT acrylic solvent
[20:16:43] <roycroft> yes it is, but there are too many backyard mechanic types around who ignore basic safety practices
[20:16:55] <roycroft> unfortunately their sloppiness costs us all
[20:16:56] <jdh> safety is too much trouble
[20:17:11] <Jymm> And I'd ike to slap the shit out of each and every one of them
[20:17:44] <Jymm> I have to smuggle in MEK from out of state, that's pretty fucked up imo
[20:18:06] <Jymm> Glad a gallon lasts forever
[20:18:22] <jdh> you can't just go buy it at Ace hardware?
[20:18:43] <Jymm> jdh: Nope, banned in Calif, and even the substitute for it was recalled
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[20:19:24] <Tom_itx> smuggler!
[20:19:36] <Jymm> maybe just retail sales, I haven't checked commercially
[20:19:40] * Tom_itx turns Jymm in to Arnold
[20:19:48] <roycroft> we can still buy mek in oregon
[20:19:52] <roycroft> and tolulene as well
[20:20:07] <Jymm> I can't do toulene at all
[20:20:08] <roycroft> head on up to the border
[20:20:17] <roycroft> i'll toss some across siskiyou summit to you
[20:20:25] <Jymm> WOOHOO
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[20:20:58] <roycroft> actually i know a logging road that's lower profile that crosses the border
[20:21:07] <roycroft> you'll still have to stop at the ag inspection station though
[20:21:13] <Jymm> Hell, have to smuggle everything into Calif now.
[20:21:14] <roycroft> so don't bring any oranges with you!
[20:21:25] <Jymm> roycroft: LOL, yeah no shit huh
[20:22:00] <Jymm> roycroft: Nah, I'll toss a bag of oranges your way
[20:22:38] <roycroft> you can take oranges out of california
[20:22:42] <roycroft> you just can't bring them back in
[20:22:56] <Jymm> roycroft: Right, oranges for you, MEK for me =)
[20:23:12] <roycroft> i'd prefer some orange blossom honey, thank you very much
[20:23:30] <roycroft> that stuff makes some fantastic mead
[20:23:32] <mozmck> heh, my solution is to stay out of california :)
[20:23:45] <Jymm> roycroft: How's the gun laws up there? Sure, could do honey, have you ever had black honey?
[20:24:00] <roycroft> no, i haven't had black honey
[20:24:12] <roycroft> i'm not a fan of guns, and don't pay too much attention to the gun laws here
[20:24:21] <roycroft> i don't think everyone's guns should be taken away
[20:24:30] <Jymm> roycroft: It's not bad at all. Mostly intended for medicinal purposes.
[20:24:40] <roycroft> but i don't think people should be able to go around with automatic weapons and armor-piercing ammo
[20:25:05] <roycroft> and if i don't want someone bringing a gun into my house i should have the right to disallow it
[20:25:12] <Jymm> roycroft: Well, the thing is if EVERYONE had them, them dumbasses would think twice.
[20:25:32] <roycroft> i don't really want to get into a gun discussion here
[20:25:39] <roycroft> those always get out of hand
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[20:26:09] <Jymm> roycroft: Sure, I'll leave it at this... The crime rate for the town... ZERO...
http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm
[20:26:39] <LeelooMinai> ...
[20:26:51] <roycroft> i don't think everyone having guns is the solution to violent crime
[20:26:54] <renesis> i think people should have to right to have anything a government has in its arsenal
[20:26:59] <roycroft> nor do i think that nobody having guns is the solution to violent crime
[20:27:22] <Jymm> renesis: So says the Constituion iirc.
[20:27:22] <roycroft> i think stopping violent crime is the solution to violent crime
[20:27:38] <Jymm> roycroft: That would be wall street
[20:28:06] <Jymm> but anyhow
[20:28:10] <roycroft> suffice it to say that i do not support either of our mainstream political parties, as they are both corporatist
[20:28:21] <Jymm> I'm stepping out of this conversation completely
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[20:28:54] <roycroft> i need to get back to work, myself
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[20:31:16] <renesis> jymm: not explicitely, not even close
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[20:33:19] <CaptHindsight> http://semiaccurate.com/2014/12/15/marvell-introduces-88pa6120-3d-printer-soc-hdk/
[20:33:38] <roycroft> if there's any topic more polarizing than gun rights in general, it's discussion of the 2nd amendment
[20:33:44] <roycroft> i'm staying far away from that :)
[20:33:58] <CaptHindsight> they integrated A/D and 5 stepper controllers into an ARM SOC
[20:34:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.marvell.com/printers/assets/Printer_88PA6120-01_FINAL.pdf too bad the core is so slow
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[20:35:34] <renesis> 533mhz slow?
[20:36:00] <renesis> its an embedded controller, not a pc or a phone
[20:36:13] <renesis> that fast as fuck
[20:37:26] <CaptHindsight> since it's Marvell it's probably $20
[20:37:42] <renesis> which isnt bad considering how fast and application specific
[20:37:48] <CaptHindsight> so add a $6 Allwinner and it can support a GUI
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[22:11:09] <PetefromTn_> Damn...
[22:11:21] <PetefromTn_> just called thermoheat about that forced air heater
[22:11:29] <PetefromTn_> they think it is a bad board
[22:11:37] <PetefromTn_> and it is of course out of warrantee
[22:11:52] <PetefromTn_> so it is like $70.00 for a new board.
[22:11:54] <PetefromTn_> SUX
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[22:19:02] <Nick001-shop> 70 bucks to keep warm? chattering is what SUX
[22:19:57] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:20:08] <PetefromTn_> but it still sux having to dish out the cash LOL
[22:20:35] <PetefromTn_> especially with Christmas right around the corner but oh well it is what it is.
[22:22:04] <PetefromTn_> Luckily It was not stupid cold today I was out there working most of the day on some parts runs.
[22:22:44] <Nick001-shop> investment to keep the machines from rusting -)
[22:23:55] <PetefromTn_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Dyna-Glo-Delux-75K-BTU-Multi-Fuel-Portable-Heater-KFA75DGD/202924998?N=5yc1vZc4k7 also hard to justify paying $70.oo for a single board when you can buy a new heater for this much.
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[22:25:27] <PetefromTn_> funny thing is that one looks EXACTLY like mine just a different color and different brand name.
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[22:25:44] <Nick001-shop> be dizzy by days end unless you vent it real good and let a lot of that heat out.
[22:26:42] <PetefromTn_> meh not really. Besides I only really use it in the morning for like half hour or so to knock the chill out after that I switch to my electric heater.
[22:27:28] <PetefromTn_> How's your lathes running nick?
[22:28:41] <Deejay> gn8
[22:28:42] <Nick001-shop> Real good - not enough hours in the day to get all the work done. Time to convert the next hardinge.
[22:28:54] <PetefromTn_> good to hear it.
[22:29:09] <PetefromTn_> those are nice machines to be sure
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[22:29:25] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to get my CNC lathe running.
[22:29:43] <Nick001-shop> Just have to get enough info to use mesa's cards
[22:29:59] <Nick001-shop> what kind of lathe?
[22:30:02] <PetefromTn_> can't go wrong
[22:30:31] <PetefromTn_> oh it is a 1997 Standard Modern 14x40 CNC
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[22:31:24] <Nick001-shop> Using Pico cards on first machine but they're tripping out now so it's time to try mesa
[22:31:40] <Nick001-shop> Already have a control on it?
[22:31:41] <PetefromTn_> oh really that sucks
[22:31:59] <PetefromTn_> no this machine was electronically gutted by the machine reseller I bought it from.
[22:32:36] <PetefromTn_> Going to be installing all new MESA cards and PC similar to the Cincinatti Arrow 500 I have here.
[22:33:38] <Nick001-shop> as long as it has ball screws and enough electrics to convert
[22:33:52] <PetefromTn_> It will be fine.
[22:34:06] <PetefromTn_> I gutted the Cincinatti when I got it and this one just saved me the trouble LOL
[22:34:28] <PetefromTn_> only drawback is that there is not much to sell off to help pay for the new parts.
[22:34:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: does it have ball screws?
[22:34:46] <PetefromTn_> it is missing the Z unfortunately
[22:35:14] <PetefromTn_> however everything is there all the mounts and pullies and whatnot to install it again.
[22:35:16] <Nick001-shop> does the Cincinnati have a tool changer on it?
[22:35:22] <PetefromTn_> going to have one made to fit.
[22:35:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah it does
[22:35:36] <PetefromTn_> but it is not yet integrated
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[22:36:07] <PetefromTn_> everything electronically is there and wired in and working but I have not gotten spindle orient working yet.
[22:36:47] <Nick001-shop> how hard was it to get going with meas control
[22:37:01] <PetefromTn_> well we used PNC COnf
[22:37:03] <Nick001-shop> mesa
[22:37:11] <PetefromTn_> and got most of it working pretty quickly
[22:37:16] <PetefromTn_> but UNFORTUNATELY
[22:37:26] <PetefromTn_> we used a metric native setup
[22:37:33] <PetefromTn_> and now I wish I had NOT done that.
[22:37:46] <PetefromTn_> trying to figure out how to change it back to imperial.
[22:38:18] <Nick001-shop> do you mean the table travels?
[22:38:32] <PetefromTn_> I mean the base units of the machine settings are in metric.
[22:38:51] <PetefromTn_> the display has been switched to imperial so I can use it fine and have been for some time now
[22:39:05] <Nick001-shop> then use g20 to program the moves?
[22:39:21] <PetefromTn_> but the issue is the tool table is metric and I have to convert to use cutter compensation.
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[22:39:53] <PetefromTn_> also I have to switch to show MM and then back to show Inch on startup so it displays what I want.
[22:40:12] <PetefromTn_> Had I done it with imperial that would not have been an issue.
[22:40:42] <Nick001-shop> ouch - none of the wizards have an answere for that?
[22:40:56] <PetefromTn_> The main reason we used metric is because we had a working configuration from Lee in UK who has the same machine
[22:41:10] <PetefromTn_> We thought if we set it up we could use a lot of his settings to get close
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[22:41:54] <PetefromTn_> we were not aware that it would make the tool table view in metric and so far I have not heard anyone say it is possible to switch it to imperial for offset.
[22:42:51] <Nick001-shop> Do you have servos with encoders
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[22:43:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:44:11] <PetefromTn_> AC 1kw motors with closed loop servo control back to linuxCNC
[22:44:59] <Nick001-shop> then you should be able to play around with the axis setup in INI
[22:45:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know we have discussed it recently here
[22:45:48] <PetefromTn_> not the best at this sort of thing yet.
[22:46:39] <PetefromTn_> I am going to have to try to get it done tho I NEED Cutter comp to work here at some point soon without having to convert every adjustment I make.
[22:47:17] <PetefromTn_> really kind of surprising that there is not a way to make the tool table display and accept imperial dimension settings.
[22:47:18] <Nick001-shop> Just going to have to put the table in the center and try to make some moves with some new settings with your finger on the e stop
[22:47:27] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:47:44] <PetefromTn_> I have a lot of parts to make this week so it is going to have to wait a little bit.
[22:48:14] <Nick001-shop> Hopefully your end stops are set and working
[22:48:34] <PetefromTn_> they are not high tolerance parts mostly aesthetic aluminum parts so I am not having to do a lot of adjustment
[22:48:54] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah man Estop and limits are hard wired to kill everything in an emergency.
[22:48:55] <Nick001-shop> That's what night time is for – also weekends
[22:50:01] <PetefromTn_> I hate to experiment with the machine while I have parts waiting to be made tho. In case something goes wrong I don't like to be down waiting on parts etc.
[22:50:22] <PetefromTn_> made several dozen small parts today on it.
[22:50:32] <Nick001-shop> Well break time is over, got to get back to the gear cutters and get some real work done Be back later
[22:50:44] <PetefromTn_> nice chatting with you.
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[22:53:51] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ do you have a vibratumbler?
[22:54:19] <PetefromTn_> no would like to have one
[22:55:02] <Tom_itx> saves alot of debur time
[22:55:15] <jdh> and hides light surface marks
[22:55:39] <Tom_itx> meh, use big enough rocks and you can hide anything :D
[22:55:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah but most of the parts I make are either small and get machined on most surfaces or are large plates that get brushed finishes or bead blasting
[22:56:28] <PetefromTn_> the parts I made today are small and I just knocked the sharp off on a little veritcal mounted belt sander I have here.
[22:56:48] <Tom_itx> you got one of those hook tools?
[22:57:01] <Tom_itx> those are handy too
[22:57:05] <PetefromTn_> If business picks up I hope to add something like that.
[22:57:12] <PetefromTn_> you mean a deburring tool?
[22:57:13] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:57:16] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:57:26] <PetefromTn_> I have the mango model
[22:57:33] <PetefromTn_> works great.
[22:58:57] <PetefromTn_> just finished a CAD design for a neat product for a customer and will be prototyping it probably tomorrow. HOPEFULLY it will be something they want a BUNCH of and I can gang them up on the machine.
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[22:59:38] <PetefromTn_> it is made from 1/8 6061 plate. real simple part just a bunch of holes and contours
[23:00:44] <Tom_itx> i was playing with solidworks a bit last night since i was bored
[23:01:12] <PetefromTn_> Solidworks is awesome wish I could afford it LOL
[23:01:19] <Tom_itx> mine's prety old
[23:01:34] <PetefromTn_> even an OLD solidworks is better than NO solidworks
[23:01:47] <Tom_itx> i got acad and never use it
[23:02:02] <Tom_itx> easier just to draw it in my cad cam
[23:02:13] <Tom_itx> or import a file
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[23:03:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I hear ya. Most of what I make can easily be done in an autocad clone.
[23:04:13] <PetefromTn_> I do like to model in 3d because it looks professional to the customers and I am trying to learn as much as possible.
[23:04:22] <Tom_itx> when i was doing it alot nearly everything was imported
[23:04:27] <Tom_itx> from catia or cadam
[23:04:35] <PetefromTn_> I often wind up modeling in 3d then taking a 2d .dxf of it into my CAM
[23:05:00] <Tom_itx> takes too much time for flat parts
[23:05:04] <PetefromTn_> the parts I did today were simple 2d drill, champfer, slot and part
[23:05:10] <Tom_itx> i just profile and cut those
[23:05:15] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:05:49] <andypugh> I always model in 3D as it can’t be wrong.
[23:06:06] <PetefromTn_> I have yet to do any real serious 3d milling on the machine yet. just played with a couple small things so far. Just have not needed it yet.
[23:06:35] <andypugh> I don’t tend to machine in 3D, I generally end up exporting a drawing to the CAM system.
[23:06:38] <PetefromTn_> Keep hoping to get something 3d from a customer so I can start using it but so far hasn't happened
[23:06:54] <PetefromTn_> yes exactly that is basically what I usually do.
[23:07:00] <andypugh> But the 3D shape means that the drawing is of the right lines, not the wrong ones.
[23:07:31] <PetefromTn_> I will say that when I worked for the other shops they often took 3d models in and worked directly from the 3d models in mastercam even on a part that is basically 2d.
[23:07:57] <PetefromTn_> not sure I follow you on the wrong ones.
[23:09:03] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/35-dollar-quad-core-hacker-sbc-offers-rpi-like-expansion/ somebody needs to get one and try hm2_eth with preempt_rt on it
[23:09:39] <JT-Shop> hmm these laser cut parts look much better than my plasma cut parts
[23:09:46] <JT-Shop> going to save me a ton of time
[23:10:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah man laser cut parts are clean and tight usually.
[23:10:09] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what is the material?
[23:10:48] <andypugh> In 2D drawing I have a tendency to project the wrong lines, get front and back lines mixed up, that sort of thing.
[23:10:51] <PetefromTn_> Trying to decide if I want to order some Pizza or cook dinner tonight heh
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[23:11:27] <CaptHindsight> make a pizza :)
[23:11:30] <PetefromTn_> you mean you are trying to represent 3d parts in 2d drawings and get lost in the effect?
[23:11:50] <PetefromTn_> I have been known to make a good italian bread pizza actually.
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[23:12:18] <CaptHindsight> now I'm hungry, thanks
[23:12:51] <PetefromTn_> sorry dude. but depending on what part of the big blue marble you are sitting on it MIGHT be dinner time anyways :)
[23:13:39] <PetefromTn_> I once saw Emeril Legase make his kids some Italian Bread Pizzas and I kinda took what he did and copied it, added some stuff. It is dead simple
[23:14:10] <JT-Shop> 1018
[23:14:14] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I am making my dinner now. Though it is a _little_ late. (2315)
[23:15:34] <PetefromTn_> basically just take the Italian bread loaf and cut it horizontally in half and put drawn butter and garlic melted and brushed on it. Then you add some of his Marinara sauce and some browned ground up italian sausage and top it with mozarrella shredded and whatever else you want on it and cook at like 350 for 20 minutes or so.
[23:16:45] <PetefromTn_> Piece of cake and surprisingly delicious. For awhile there my kids never wanted to order pizza instead we made it LOL.
[23:18:24] <andypugh> I used to make pizza with green pesto instead of tomato sauce, lots of mozzarella and pepperoni. I really liked it, but I am not sure if anyone else did.
[23:19:29] <PetefromTn_> I can enjoy pesto in pasta as long as it is not overdone. Never had pesto pizza tho. Might be good!
[23:22:35] <jdh> I use olive oil, garlic, rosemary,garlic, oregano, garlic instead of tomato sauce
[23:23:15] <roycroft> pesto pizza is awesome
[23:23:29] <roycroft> i often make pesto with pistachios instead of pine nuts
[23:23:45] <roycroft> believe it or not, pistachios are cheaper than pine nuts, and they don't go rancid as fast
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[23:28:05] <PetefromTn_> Hm interesting.
[23:28:20] <PetefromTn_> I like garlic as well jdh...in moderation LOL
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[23:31:21] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, in solidworks how can you find the length of a feature easily? in my cad cam i just click on it
[23:31:45] <Tom_itx> also how can you copy an extrusion to duplicate it?
[23:31:54] <zeeshan> ruler tool
[23:32:26] <zeeshan> what do you mean copy an extrusion?
[23:32:31] <zeeshan> copy it what sense
[23:32:52] <Tom_itx> if i have a boss and i need several
[23:33:11] <Tom_itx> i could do it in sketch
[23:33:23] <Tom_itx> but it's already extruded
[23:33:35] <zeeshan> you can go back and change the sketch :P
[23:33:40] <Tom_itx> i know
[23:34:11] <PetefromTn_> there is an array tool in solidworks
[23:34:23] <Tom_itx> i don't need an array
[23:34:29] <Tom_itx> i know how that works
[23:34:41] <PetefromTn_> and measuring simple parts you can often just click on them and the information tabs will show a lot of the featuers.
[23:34:45] <PetefromTn_> features
[23:34:46] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i think youre looking for the "move/copy" tool
[23:34:56] <Tom_itx> drawing a din rail clip i want 3 landings on it for mounts
[23:35:35] <zeeshan> yea i can see it gives information in the status bar
[23:35:36] <zeeshan> for a line
[23:35:38] <PetefromTn_> a lot of common items are available in SW formats for download
[23:36:05] <PetefromTn_> typical electronic and mechanical components are often available from manufacturers websites.
[23:36:10] <zeeshan> yea
[23:36:13] <zeeshan> i rarely draw those!
[23:36:15] <Tom_itx> i know
[23:36:20] <Tom_itx> i've gotten several
[23:36:30] <Tom_itx> those pulleys i put on my spindle i got
[23:36:42] <Tom_itx> to double check for fit
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[23:45:30] <Tom_itx> gas goin down again
[23:45:41] <Tom_itx> $1.88 in ok
[23:46:04] <jdh> 2.55 here
[23:46:32] <Tom_itx> just dropped
[23:46:51] <Tom_itx> was 2.31 here earlier today
[23:47:26] <PetefromTn_> 2.29 here
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[23:50:43] <jdh> Thanks obama
[23:51:31] <PetefromTn_> interesting..
[23:51:42] <PetefromTn_> I just got an email from a COmpany in Alberta Canada
[23:51:57] <PetefromTn_> they apparently sold a product to a customer in Knoxville
[23:52:06] <PetefromTn_> and somehow shipped an incorrect part
[23:52:31] <PetefromTn_> they want to know if I can machine the part to work with them in a pinch until the new one can arrive LOL
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[23:52:37] <Tom_itx> are you their Knoxville rep?
[23:52:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL No..
[23:52:54] <jdh> how did they fnid you?
[23:53:03] <PetefromTn_> probably from my Craigslist ad.
[23:53:16] <jdh> and will they pay you via western union or via a cashiers check for $10,000
[23:53:27] <PetefromTn_> that was my second question.
[23:54:00] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I don't mind doing it to help them but I would want to clear up some questions before I spent any time on it.
[23:54:59] <PetefromTn_> apparently it is some kind of commercial pagoda for installation in a mall or store
[23:55:51] <jdh> I would think they could have a part delivered before they could get a quote read
[23:56:30] <PetefromTn_> One would think.
[23:56:43] <PetefromTn_> just got a return email and they are going to call me tomorrow to discuss it.
[23:56:50] <PetefromTn_> we shall see how it goes.
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[23:57:17] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like what they want is a quick alteration to get the customer up and running
[23:57:27] <PetefromTn_> interesting tho
[23:57:38] <PetefromTn_> did not expect to hear from a Canadian Company
[23:57:56] <Tom_itx> heck they could fly the part in overnight
[23:58:12] <PetefromTn_> no idea man.
[23:58:14] <jdh> what does it cost you to make a round trip drive to the mall in kville?
[23:58:16] <PetefromTn_> could be a scam
[23:58:34] <Tom_itx> don't get paid in canuckian funds
[23:58:36] <PetefromTn_> but honestly the email and pictures and contact information seem to be legit
[23:59:39] <jdh> I'd deliver something to my mall for $100 and it's only 5 miles away. The part would be pricey.
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