#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-15

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[00:09:13] <Aero-Tec> how do you stop a tool move when doing a tool change?
[00:09:48] <The_Ball> estop?
[00:12:20] <Aero-Tec> no
[00:12:30] <Aero-Tec> just a simple tool change in Gcode
[00:12:51] <Aero-Tec> the tool in the sim keeps moving to a tool change spot
[00:13:06] <Aero-Tec> on my lathe it does not
[00:15:52] <The_Ball> which sim?
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[00:17:47] <Aero-Tec> lathe
[00:18:50] <mrsun> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10428720_10152907442038648_3800380207230416796_n.jpg?oh=8c4506de5646409f13b5aea089bb18a9&oe=54FF623F yeey my first isolation routing/drilling in the router =)
[00:19:12] <The_Ball> mrsun, that looks nice
[00:19:39] <The_Ball> mrsun, which tool bit did you use?
[00:20:27] <mrsun> 0.3mm engraving bit from cnc-plus.de
[00:20:39] <mrsun> they cut perfect in the copper laminate .. not a single burr =)
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[00:24:05] <Rab> mrsun, spiral bit or conical cutter? And what was your spindle speed? Solid results BTW.
[00:24:58] <mrsun> 36degree conical i guess ... https://cnc-plus.de/Engraving-tools/36--tip-Engraving-Bit/?XTCsid=7j10t8laatidfa488q3phitae2
[00:25:11] <mrsun> Rab: 500mm/min and 24000 rpm
[00:25:57] <mrsun> using these bits to engrave anodized aluminium with superb results also =)
[00:27:21] <The_Ball> This PCB was made with a 60 degree bit in a dreme: https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=47e7502f11af63c582a736813f9cc3e5
[00:27:49] <mrsun> hand drilled tho ? =)
[00:28:22] <mrsun> this with isolation routing just opened a whole new dimension to my electronics hobby =)
[00:28:35] <mrsun> didnt like the UV light and chemical process realy =)
[00:29:02] <mrsun> now i can do pcbs with hundreds of holes and get near perfect results without even touching chemicals =)
[00:29:24] <The_Ball> mrsun, I don't remember on that one, but I usually use the engraving bit to center drill the holes, then cnc drill them out
[00:29:32] <cpresser> double sided PCBs are hard to do. but thats the same for chemical
[00:29:46] <Rab> mrsun, don't forget dust extraction. Copper and fiberglass aren't much friendlier than toxic chemicals.
[00:29:46] <mrsun> cpresser: locating pins?
[00:29:57] <mrsun> Rab: hehe =)
[00:30:11] <mrsun> well atleast they do not burn eyes for example so you never can see again :P
[00:30:39] <Rab> I use an LPKF Protomat PCB mill which uses two locating pins for registration. You just flip the board on its long axis. Works great.
[00:30:43] <cpresser> mrsun: i usually use the 4 outer holes for that. but still alignment isnt really easy. and you have to put some contacts into the vias yourself
[00:31:13] <mrsun> yeah ... seen presses for rivets but it gets expensive that also =)
[00:31:15] <cpresser> when i need more then 10vias, i usually order a from a board house
[00:31:50] <mrsun> well for prototyping one can solder small wires or something in the holes =)
[00:32:07] <mrsun> 1 of cards isnt exactly dirt cheap :P
[00:32:42] <Rab> Hey, I found a great solution for vias! I use brass jewelry pins like these: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDc4Nw==/$%28KGrHqN,!jcE8FFEqqC3BPGhRHBe8w~~60_35.JPG
[00:33:04] <mrsun> i usaly just do jumper wires on the top side .. using the top side in eagle to just "simulate" the jumpers =)
[00:33:05] <Rab> They're very cheap and much easier to solder than bits of wire.
[00:33:26] <cpresser> Rab: interesting.. ill try those
[00:35:01] <Rab> "Head pins" seems to be the technical term.
[00:35:47] <Rab> There are some commercial via rivet systems, but the ones I've found are really expensive and/or hard to source.
[00:36:51] <SpeedEvil> Rab: yeah - very cheap
[00:37:00] <SpeedEvil> Almost as cheap for 10 as a whole PCB
[00:38:08] <Rab> SpeedEvil, your calculus does not match my experience with head pin or PCB pricing.
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[00:40:22] <renesis> meh @ 60d half rounds for PCB
[00:40:46] <renesis> maybe for .020 space/trace
[00:41:24] <renesis> http://www.2linc.com/engraving/pyramid_1-8.htm
[00:42:10] <renesis> got those in 30 degrees, .005 tip, .008 space/trace is possible if youre careful, itll do .012 like whatever all day
[00:42:56] <renesis> http://www.2linc.com/engraving/profiler_G_1-8.htm
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[00:43:10] <renesis> was using those with .005 tips before the pyramids
[00:43:56] <mrsun> edge quality comparasion ?
[00:44:23] <renesis> well theyre closer to vertical for one thing, more likely to get your actual designed width
[00:44:30] <renesis> sec i see if i can find some old pics
[00:45:53] <Rab> Beware cheap chinese conical cutters on eBay...the tip width doesn't match spec, and they definitely don't cut as well as name-brand cutters.
[00:46:57] <renesis> http://i.imgur.com/Xny4z4A.jpg
[00:47:28] <renesis> think the via drills are .012"
[00:47:43] <renesis> not perfect, but def usable
[00:48:07] <mrsun> is that with pyramid ?
[00:48:11] <renesis> yeah
[00:49:07] <renesis> the 30d half rounds are fine for like .016, still work okay when the tips break off
[00:49:22] <renesis> carbide
[00:49:30] <renesis> break sharp
[00:49:58] <renesis> i wouldnt ever try again that fine
[00:50:12] <renesis> would just get it fabbed
[00:50:37] <mrsun> well prototyping isnt economical to send to fabshops =)
[00:50:52] <renesis> depends on schedules
[00:51:06] <Rab> http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/tls/4773050891.html
[00:51:07] <renesis> lacing the vias in that was hell
[00:51:13] <renesis> i should have made DX do it
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[00:51:16] <Rab> So cute, so sad...I'm not even sure it could do pens.
[00:51:46] <renesis> wheres the tool holder
[00:52:02] <renesis> i dont understand that silly lathe at all
[00:52:14] <renesis> too complicated for me
[00:52:35] <Rab> It's for wood, I think there's a tool rest/stop/whatever in the middle.
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[02:34:06] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks
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[02:57:02] <XXCoder> hey
[02:57:10] <XXCoder> how is things PetefromTn_andro
[02:57:43] <PetefromTn_andro> Meh not bad you
[02:57:51] <XXCoder> just chillin. not bad
[02:58:32] <PetefromTn_andro> Finally not feeling dizzy anymore. Just a very little bit occasionally now seems to be getting better.
[02:58:45] <XXCoder> thats good
[02:59:03] <PetefromTn_andro> Sure as hell is
[02:59:39] <PetefromTn_andro> Couldn't get my forced air heater working again unfortunately.
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[03:00:00] <PetefromTn_andro> And it's pretty cold lately here
[03:00:22] <XXCoder> doh
[03:00:26] <XXCoder> gonna fix it?
[03:00:27] <PetefromTn_andro> Gonna call tech support tomorrow and see what they say about it.
[03:00:59] <Tom_itx> did you find the CDS cell?
[03:01:00] <PetefromTn_andro> Hopefully they can help me troubleshooting it and maybe send me some parts or something
[03:01:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Cds?
[03:01:19] <Tom_itx> light sensor
[03:01:34] <PetefromTn_andro> I did and removed it and cleaned it
[03:01:53] <Jymm> Pocket flashlight http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10005078/1398604-trustfire-tr-s700-7cree-xm-l-t6-1-mode-3800-lumen-
[03:02:04] <PetefromTn_andro> I think it's the main board where the problem is
[03:03:00] <PetefromTn_andro> I did find that there is a larger capacitor and I measured voltage on one side and not the other
[03:03:01] <XXCoder> 3800 lumen
[03:03:12] <XXCoder> dude thats more lumens than my room
[03:03:24] <XXCoder> 3 blubs total 3600 lumens
[03:03:31] <XXCoder> bulbs
[03:03:35] <Jymm> 3? try 6 =)
[03:03:47] <XXCoder> nah my room only has e
[03:03:48] <XXCoder> 3
[03:03:52] <Jymm> ah
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[03:04:39] <Jymm> Had a bad accident out here, whe I was directing traffic, the gf said my 800lemuen wasn't that bright. Okey, JUSTIFICATION to get brighter =)
[03:06:58] <PetefromTn_andro> Nice to have a durable reliable bright flashlight that is for sure.
[03:06:59] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_andro, there would be voltage on one side and not the other
[03:07:12] <Tom_itx> one side would generally be GND
[03:07:27] <PetefromTn_andro> Well then that's what it was I guess it's good.
[03:07:30] <Tom_itx> so that's good
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[03:08:30] <PetefromTn_andro> Tried to meter check several things but I am not that great anymore with electronics. Forgot most of what I knew years ago.
[03:09:16] <pfred1> PetefromTn_andro well you either have power some places, or you don't
[03:09:30] <pfred1> it is just a blower motor right?
[03:09:59] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I know and there was basically the low voltage side of the whole card is dead.
[03:10:24] <pfred1> so the control electronics then
[03:10:34] <PetefromTn_andro> Well it's a forced air kerosene heater.
[03:10:44] <pfred1> I mean with your electronics and power
[03:11:25] <PetefromTn_andro> No it acted like the whole thing is dead. But it has power to the ac side of the board.
[03:11:43] <pfred1> yes but you say the control board is dead
[03:11:51] <Tom_itx> i'm betting on a relay
[03:12:09] <pfred1> would that stop the pilot light from coming on?
[03:12:17] <PetefromTn_andro> It is all one board
[03:12:23] <Tom_itx> there's a light sensor to see the flame
[03:12:31] <PetefromTn_andro> There is no pilot light
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[03:12:43] <pfred1> a power light is called a pilot light
[03:12:44] <Tom_itx> it's a spark igniter
[03:12:47] <XXCoder> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6210314240/hCD2BAA58/
[03:12:48] <PetefromTn_andro> It has a spark plug of sorts
[03:12:58] <Tom_itx> sorta like a bbq
[03:13:11] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah there is no red led for power
[03:13:16] <Tom_itx> or hot water heater
[03:13:27] <pfred1> that LED can be called a pilot light or lamp
[03:13:28] <PetefromTn_andro> It stays off
[03:13:34] <PetefromTn_andro> Ok
[03:13:54] <pfred1> first thing I would check is the PSU section of the board
[03:14:03] <pfred1> that LED is not running off of sall current more than likely
[03:14:09] <pfred1> wall current even
[03:14:25] <Tom_itx> i had him trace part of it
[03:14:25] <pfred1> see if you are getting your low voltage at all
[03:14:30] <PetefromTn_andro> It looks like low voltage side
[03:14:39] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_andro, what V did you get at that cap?
[03:14:49] <PetefromTn_andro> 120vac
[03:14:55] <pfred1> woo
[03:15:13] <Tom_itx> doesn't sound right
[03:15:25] <pfred1> it could be if the board has a little switcher on it
[03:15:30] <Tom_itx> maybe one of the 4 diodes is crap
[03:15:39] <Tom_itx> it's a cheap design
[03:15:41] <PetefromTn_andro> No? I dunno I put the damn thing back together yesterday afternoon
[03:15:47] <Tom_itx> i doubt there's any switcher
[03:15:51] <pfred1> well today little switching supplies are the cheap way out
[03:16:04] <Tom_itx> single sided phenolic board
[03:16:12] <Jymm> Ha http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10006644/1519903-ultrafire-lw-9t6-9-cree-xm-l-t6-5-mode-6000lm
[03:16:35] <PetefromTn_andro> I posted pics and information about it yesterday
[03:16:37] <pfred1> real step down xformers cost money
[03:16:54] <PetefromTn_andro> It has a little transformer on it
[03:17:21] <pfred1> yes but it might be for a switching circuit
[03:17:51] <XXCoder> Jymm: dang I love that old style look
[03:18:03] <XXCoder> 6k LM
[03:18:17] <XXCoder> LM isnt same as lumens if I recall but dang bright
[03:18:19] <PetefromTn_andro> I will call them tomorrow morning about it they are closed all weekend. Hopefully they will be able to help me with it
[03:18:37] <Jymm> XXCoder: tail button on that thing.... noooooooooooo
[03:18:53] <XXCoder> well thats definitely not vinage style
[03:19:14] <XXCoder> check this out http://fasttechcdn.com/products/151/1519903/1519903-6.jpg
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[03:20:28] <Jymm> Noooooooo
[03:20:30] <pfred1> I can't believe the Packers lost to the Bills
[03:20:48] <XXCoder> seahawks won :) 49 is off the list
[03:20:57] <XXCoder> but man they didnt have good start
[03:21:36] <XXCoder> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6799196160/hF3B8B381/ mouse with rabies
[03:22:19] <pfred1> the Chinese don't always get their copies 100% right
[03:22:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:23:11] <XXCoder> Also, "winner" brand lol
[03:23:23] <XXCoder> It's as bad as "Shifty" bricks brand
[03:23:30] <pfred1> I saw that
[03:24:27] <pfred1> if any company deserves to have its IP ripped off itis Disney though
[03:24:59] <pfred1> every time Mickey is up for going into the public domain copyright law somehow mysteriously gets extended
[03:25:11] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:25:15] <XXCoder> such an annoyance
[03:26:47] <pfred1> actually that mouse is what Disney is like when they protect their IP
[03:27:09] <pfred1> they show their true fangs then
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[03:37:56] <XXCoder> not bad
[03:38:00] <PetefromTn_andro> Damn I just heard the annual Christmas drawing on the airgun forum I frequent. I didn't win LOL
[03:39:31] <PetefromTn_andro> Someone got a $2000.00 brand new airgun and scope package for free lucky bastard LOL
[03:43:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Well. Night folks.
[03:43:41] <pfred1> nite
[03:43:46] <XXCoder> night
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[03:44:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Thanks for the help with that forced air heater
[03:44:33] <PetefromTn_andro> Will try to get it sorted tomorrow with technical support
[03:44:45] <PetefromTn_andro> Gn8
[03:44:48] <pfred1> they'll tell you to replace the board
[03:44:58] <Tom_itx> i'm nearly sure of that
[03:45:09] <PetefromTn_andro> That's fine it is easy to do
[03:45:12] <pfred1> or bring it to an authorized service center
[03:45:32] <PetefromTn_andro> Hopefully the board will be cheap
[03:45:42] <pfred1> oh it'll be cheap
[03:45:50] <pfred1> how inespensive it will be is another matter
[03:45:58] <pfred1> inexpensive even
[03:46:03] <PetefromTn_andro> The whole thing was only like$175.00 or so
[03:46:27] <PetefromTn_andro> But it is a great little heater
[03:46:52] <PetefromTn_andro> Really knocked the chill off in the morning quickly
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[03:47:05] <pfred1> I have a block heater
[03:47:13] <pfred1> I don't use it indoors though
[03:47:33] <PetefromTn_andro> It I can't fix it I guess it's buy another one used or new depends on price.
[03:47:48] <pfred1> the radiant panels are nice
[03:48:17] <pfred1> people usually hang them on the wall
[03:48:21] <PetefromTn_andro> I have several different electronic heaters but nothing else works as quickly
[03:48:32] <pfred1> oh yeah panels are slow
[03:49:01] <pfred1> my block heater could get it up to like 120F in about 5 minutes
[03:49:10] <PetefromTn_andro> 15 minutes and it is warm in the shop no matter how cold it is outside
[03:50:01] <pfred1> going cold to warm and back you don't have condensation problems?
[03:50:03] <PetefromTn_andro> Then the onboard thermostat shuts it off and my electronic heaters take over unless I open the garage door or something
[03:50:23] <PetefromTn_andro> Not really
[03:50:42] <PetefromTn_andro> The building is insulted
[03:51:18] <PetefromTn_andro> But the shop doors are not so that and the concrete slab make it kinda chilly in the morning
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[03:51:55] <pfred1> warm air holds more moisture then when it gets cold the moisture comes out of the air sometimes
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[03:59:43] <pfred1> OK so I was running the axis splash screen again to test out my machine and I was really careful touching off to make sure the pen just barely touched the paper
[04:00:03] <pfred1> then when the file ran it jambed the pen hard into the paper
[04:00:15] <pfred1> is there like an offset that made that happen?
[04:01:17] <pfred1> like should i be using a negative number with my offset just to make sure the pen does not hit the paper too hard?
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[04:08:06] <XXCoder> pfred1: basically temp of air is size of "cup". amount of water in air is of course water in "cup". it tends to rain more often in afternoon because cooling air takes close to 100% to over 100%
[04:08:21] <XXCoder> over 100% cup overflows and we get rain
[04:10:29] <pfred1> you are trying to explain the dew point it sounds like
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[04:17:53] <XXCoder> ahh never ehard that term
[04:18:25] <XXCoder> pfred1: I was just mostly explaining the nice cup analog
[04:19:51] <pfred1> the dew point is the temperature where mousture will precipitate out of the atmosphere
[04:20:10] <XXCoder> yeah already read wiki heh
[04:20:56] <pfred1> you can measure it by twirling a wet bulb thermometer around or something
[04:21:09] <pfred1> been a while since I dealt with it
[04:21:24] <XXCoder> yeah not exactly common thing to do :)
[04:21:49] <pfred1> it is humid where i live
[04:22:18] <pfred1> so if I cycle my shop hot and cold everything rusts
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[04:23:09] <XXCoder> fun
[04:23:18] <XXCoder> dont you oil stuff for protection
[04:23:57] <pfred1> ther are many things i do not want oily
[04:24:07] <pfred1> like my electronics tools
[04:24:16] <pfred1> not fun having them an oily mess really
[04:24:32] <XXCoder> true
[04:24:43] <pfred1> I have found that is what WD-40 is good for though
[04:24:54] <pfred1> WD-40 dries then leaves a protective film
[04:25:12] <pfred1> I have tried everything including waxing metal
[04:26:10] <pfred1> WD stands for water displacement
[04:26:38] <pfred1> it was originally developed as a chemical treatment for long term missile part storage
[04:27:36] <pfred1> today people use WD-40 for all sorts of things it really isn't capable of doing but it can keep stuff from rusting pretty well
[04:29:10] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:29:23] <pfred1> I need to buy like a gallon bottle of it because in the aerosol can it really isn't economical that way
[04:29:42] <XXCoder> indeed its possible to do so. I used a lot at work in least once lol
[04:29:50] <pfred1> though that is how I've been using it lately
[04:30:16] <pfred1> yeah the big box stores have gallon cans for like $20
[04:30:43] <pfred1> it just seems somewhat extreme to me but objectively I really do have to break down and just do it
[04:31:18] <pfred1> as a lube or rust penetrant WD-40 is worthless
[04:31:34] <pfred1> but I have to say everything I've treated has not rusted on me
[04:31:47] <XXCoder> unfortunate yeah but then is there a way to control mosture in your tool place?
[04:31:57] <pfred1> yeah i could move to a desert
[04:32:27] <pfred1> my shop is well built insulated etc. but the humidity where i live is extreme
[04:32:40] <pfred1> it can run in the high 90s all summer long
[04:32:51] <pfred1> like 95% humidity
[04:33:10] <pfred1> in fact humidity gauges end up breaking here
[04:33:22] <pfred1> I have a couple and they are all stuck pinned
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[04:33:57] <XXCoder> http://homeguides.sfgate.com/put-storage-building-keep-moisture-down-47164.html
[04:34:25] <pfred1> I live 6 miles from the ocean and not too far drom the world's biggest bay too
[04:34:38] <pfred1> I am basically in the middle of water here
[04:35:01] <XXCoder> I don't live 6 miles from ocean
[04:35:07] <XXCoder> I live 1 mile away from ocean
[04:35:22] <XXCoder> I see it everyday as I drive home
[04:35:29] <pfred1> yeah do you have a bay on the other side of you?
[04:35:47] <XXCoder> really I don't see it anymore. I lived here for 2 years now lol
[04:36:04] <XXCoder> actually I live near tacoma port - pudget sound
[04:36:14] <XXCoder> its pretty huge dock
[04:36:31] <XXCoder> I also drive though fife on way to work, it has even more
[04:37:19] <XXCoder> Dehumidifier seems best option. if you add hose pump to some large tank or outside it can keep your space dry year around
[04:37:29] <XXCoder> as long as powered it shouldnt need much maintance
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[04:38:17] <pfred1> I can buy a lot of WD-40 for what a dehumidifier would set me back
[04:39:05] <XXCoder> lets see what our chinese shit friends has for Dehumidifier
[04:39:37] <pfred1> I even paint some tools to keep them from rusting
[04:39:51] <pfred1> like cold chisels i paint those
[04:40:11] <pfred1> I painted all of my hammers too
[04:40:27] <pfred1> I got tired ot playing with dirty, rusty hammers, and chisels
[04:40:36] <XXCoder> what the heck http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Damp-Moisture-Absorber-Egg-Dehumidifying-Dehumidifiers-Home-Air-Dryer-NI5L/2044397901.html
[04:40:50] <XXCoder> its apparently rechargable by microwave
[04:40:59] <pfred1> dessicant
[04:41:19] <pfred1> like silica gel
[04:41:32] <pfred1> those packages that come inside stuff that say DO NOT EAT
[04:41:40] <XXCoder> apparently
[04:41:53] <XXCoder> lol there is shoe dryer thing
[04:42:06] <pfred1> AFAIK you can bake silica gel and it has dessicating properties again
[04:42:41] <XXCoder> I suppose it can be dried by sun too
[04:42:50] <XXCoder> if so it could be useful in sunny summer
[04:42:57] <pfred1> yeah in the sun stuff dries here
[04:43:02] <XXCoder> bake it off then seal em for more wet days
[04:43:26] <XXCoder> not much savings from aliexpress
[04:43:51] <pfred1> that is the problem really in the morning everything has dew all over it and as the day wears on the sun bakes that moisture into the air
[04:44:27] <XXCoder> http://www.silicagelpackets.com/dry-packs-dehumidifier-products-canisters-boxes/dry-packs-dehumidifier-boxes-200-450-900-gram/900-gram-silica-gel-dehumidifier-box.html lol
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[04:44:48] <XXCoder> that bad
[04:44:59] <XXCoder> your room might have water issues
[04:45:18] <XXCoder> you sould try mosture pump. its not easy to do but...
[04:45:25] <pfred1> well it is just a problem in the area
[04:45:32] <XXCoder> basically you warm room to around 90f
[04:45:43] <XXCoder> then push all that wet warm air outside
[04:45:47] <XXCoder> get dry cold air in
[04:45:52] <pfred1> heh
[04:45:52] <XXCoder> do couple times
[04:46:04] <pfred1> that's the problem the air outside is wet
[04:46:08] <XXCoder> I do same for my van. keeps it very dry
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[04:48:18] <XXCoder> nice thing is no glass fog inside (or ice versions on cold days!)
[04:50:45] <XXCoder> anyway
[04:50:49] <XXCoder> night :)
[04:50:54] <pfred1> nite
[04:51:05] <XXCoder> maybe there is criaglist deals on dryers
[04:51:11] <XXCoder> Dehumidifier
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[07:59:58] <Deejay> moin
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[08:32:42] <zoni> i need help
[08:33:38] <zoni> I am installing control on my lathe I need to spindle remain running during tool change
[08:36:20] <zoni> anybody with any solution
[08:38:26] <zoni> hi anybody therer
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[08:47:16] <zoni> any body with the answer
[08:54:06] <mrsun> Dont M5? :P
[08:54:48] <mrsun> or is it M06? :P
[08:54:50] <mrsun> i dont remember =)
[08:54:51] <zoni> i dont m5
[08:55:15] <zoni> whe you m6 system automatically stops spindle cannnot find setting to not to
[08:55:45] <zoni> how to change tool without m6
[08:56:43] <mrsun> If the Hal component hal_manualtoolchange is loaded M6 will stop the spindle and prompt the user to change the tool. For more information on hal_manualtoolchange see Section ([->])
[08:57:44] <zoni> i am talking about auto tool chage of lathe
[09:01:30] <mrsun> yes but does your hal use hal_manualtoolchange? =)
[09:01:40] <mrsun> i dont know this .. just shooting from the hip :PÖ
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[14:05:16] * jthornton now has an arc generator for front tool lathes as well as the mill
[14:06:08] * SpeedEvil imagines crackling violet light spewing from the toolpost.
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[14:36:30] <jthornton> seb must be getting hoarse with all them voices
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[14:41:19] <Tecan> http://www.littlethings.com/glow-dark-table-resin-wood
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[14:44:16] <jdh> a van de graf arc generator would be cool on a lathe. or a mill.
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[14:46:53] <Tecan> lol
[14:47:06] <PetefromTn_> neat
[14:47:09] <Tecan> need bottle cap glasses though
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[16:13:05] <ssi> I bougth a southbend toolpost grinder off ebay, and the bastard came with SHOT spindle bearings
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[16:13:12] <ssi> I'm trying to figure out how it comes apart to replace them
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[16:14:32] <ssi> it's this one (this isn't mine, but it's the same machine)
[16:14:32] <ssi> http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=11535
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[16:17:00] <jdh> looks like a pretty beefy mount for the size
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[16:17:43] <ssi> I used a gear puller to pull the V-pulley off the front of the spindle, and I can see the front bearing
[16:17:57] <ssi> that silver cap at the back, I can't tell if it's part of the cast body, or if it unscrews or presses out or what
[16:18:04] <ssi> there's no flats or spanner holes or anything
[16:18:28] <mozmck> is the silver cap at the back part of the shaft?
[16:18:41] <mozmck> Maybe the shaft just presses out through the back.
[16:18:51] <ssi> maybe
[16:19:13] <ssi> problem is because the back cap is the same size as the body, there's nowhere really to support it to press the shaft backward
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[16:19:42] <mozmck> there is the flange going to the motor on one side.
[16:19:43] <ssi> ooh
[16:19:43] <ssi> http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=3752
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[16:19:57] <mozmck> nice!
[16:20:13] <ssi> can't tell from the drawing if that cap is threaded or pressed tho
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[16:20:31] <mozmck> looks like it might be threaded into the casting
[16:20:42] <ssi> I need a strap wrench or something
[16:20:54] <mozmck> Not part of the shaft for sure.
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[16:21:20] <mozmck> I've used a pipe wrench with thick leather before to protect the part.
[16:21:31] <ssi> yeah that's probably the way to go
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[16:24:07] <ssi> if I can get it apart, I'll order new bearings from mcmaster and run 'n pick em up this afternoon
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[16:25:07] <[cube]> anyone have a good recommendation for milling machine gearbox oil?
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[16:30:26] <archivist> ssi or grip in a collet
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[16:31:40] <archivist> I wonder if the bought them in similar but different http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_04_07_Dumore_toolpost_grinder/IMG_1220.JPG
[16:33:13] <ssi> archivist: that's also a good idea if I have a collet that's big enough
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[16:33:34] <archivist> mine is a Dumore
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[16:34:28] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[16:34:46] <ssi> archivist is yours ID/OD?
[16:34:48] <ssi> this one's OD only
[16:34:53] <ssi> I'd like to have ID ability too
[16:35:10] <archivist> mine is OD
[16:35:51] <archivist> not found any cheap wheels yet for mine as it has an odd hole diameter
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[16:36:21] <ssi> I think the way I'm going to deal with making these taper bushings is to ream the ID undersize, cut the taper oversize
[16:36:25] <ssi> then harden and temper,
[16:36:28] <ssi> then lap the ID to size
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[16:36:39] <ssi> then pick it back up on the lathe to a tenth and OD grind the taper
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[16:39:51] <mozmck> Does an S code cause a pause in motion?
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[16:40:37] <mozmck> And if so, will it still cause a pause if you remap the S code?
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[16:42:21] <ssi> no I don't believe there's any pause with an S word
[16:42:33] <ssi> if you need time for the speed to change, you need to program a G4 dwell
[16:42:52] <mozmck> ok, thanks. I actually don't want a pause.
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[16:43:55] <mozmck> we use S-codes to do fancy THC control (in that other software currently).
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[16:48:49] <archivist> mozmck, did you see the wiki page that micges did on laser kerf control, may be a similar or usable
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[16:49:18] <mozmck> no I haven't, but yes, I think there are some similarities.
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[16:52:16] <mozmck> archivist: do you have a link for that? I'm not finding it so far.
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[16:53:14] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LaserBeamCompensation
[16:53:54] <ssi> dang
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[16:54:58] <mozmck> hmm, I see that, but I'm not sure if there is anything similar there. In Mach3 an M10/M11 can be used to turn a laser on and off without any motion pause.
[16:55:47] <archivist> it is about out of round and control of the cut width
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[17:29:22] <ssi> got the spindle apart
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[17:36:17] <ssi> not sure mcmaster carries these bearings :/
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[17:38:07] <mozmck> I usually use a local bearing house - motion industries, purvis bearing, etc.
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[17:38:32] <ssi> there's a local place called bearings and drives inc in hapevill
[17:38:35] <mozmck> Or, sometimes O'Reilly auto parts will have what you need
[17:38:39] <ssi> about to call them
[17:38:45] <ssi> but I need to go to mcmaster anyway
[17:38:48] <ssi> was hoping that'd work out :
[17:39:03] <mozmck> yeah
[17:40:23] <ssi> the guy there said he doesn't recognize the number
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[17:41:15] <mozmck> I've had that sometimes when the bearing was an old one, especially if the brand no longer exists
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[17:41:33] <ssi> http://www.astbearings.com/product.html?product=87016
[17:41:34] <mozmck> They can usually measure it and find a replacement though.
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[17:42:12] <ssi> it's 35mm od and 16mm shaft
[17:42:22] <mozmck> huh, felt seal?
[17:42:27] <ssi> and nominally 1/2" wide, but it's got a weird step in it
[17:42:36] <ssi> like the outer race width is narrower than the inner race width
[17:42:44] <ssi> yea
[17:42:46] <ssi> it's a grinder spindle bearing
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[17:43:13] <mozmck> maybe the felt does a better job keeping dust out of the bearing.
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[17:44:02] <mozmck> probably so specialized you'll have to order it and wait until they make you one :)
[17:44:05] <Rab> Same bearing is used in a SB live center, here's a diagram with a cross-section: http://operatormanuals.tpub.com/TM-9-3416-235-14-P/TM-9-3416-235-14-P0035.htm
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[17:44:35] <ssi> found some on ebay
[17:44:41] <ssi> and amazon
[17:44:43] <ssi> but not prime sadly
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[17:46:09] <mozmck> I wonder if seb is getting buried in snow? His net sure is up and down!
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[18:20:37] <MarkusBec> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/download/21/ is there a mirror for the iso available
[18:20:57] <MarkusBec> with 75kb it takes 7 h to download the iso
[18:21:06] <MarkusBec> kbs
[18:23:42] <Rab> I see a bunch of mirrors when I google 'ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc3-i386.iso', and maybe a torrent too.
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[18:24:58] <zeeshan> rab unloaded all your haul from the van?
[18:25:47] <MarkusBec> I would like to use the new debian wheezy
[18:25:53] <MarkusBec> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
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[18:26:12] <Rab> zeeshan, affirmative, been tearing it apart this morning.
[18:26:25] <zeeshan> nice
[18:28:08] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/wZLEQy7.jpg
[18:28:25] <zeeshan> thatsa beefy servo :D
[18:29:05] <Rab> Yeah, all the shafts are keyed.
[18:29:27] <Rab> They're connected to nice ballscrew slides.
[18:29:53] <Rab> And the business on the right had a bunch of little IKO slides.
[18:30:44] <zeeshan> i just paid
[18:30:45] <zeeshan> 45 bux
[18:30:53] <zeeshan> including shipping for an angle 90 degree db25 adapter.
[18:30:54] <zeeshan> ouch
[18:31:07] <Rab> This was some kind of repetitive vacuum pickup-and-move system. No idea why or wherefrom, but it was heavy...lot of aluminum and SS.
[18:31:10] <zeeshan> only place i could find it other than china
[18:31:13] <zeeshan> was through l-com in usa
[18:31:50] <zeeshan> http://www.l-com.com/d-sub-low-profile-right-angle-adapter-db25-male-female-cable-exit-3
[18:31:51] <Rab> What, that's crazy!
[18:31:57] <Rab> URL?
[18:31:58] <zeeshan> i got raped on shipping
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[18:32:22] <zeeshan> how does a dinky t hing like this
[18:32:24] <zeeshan> cost so much to ship
[18:32:46] <Connor> How much was shipping ?
[18:32:51] <ReadError> canada tax
[18:32:57] <zeeshan> 35 bux
[18:33:00] <zeeshan> ReadError: no.
[18:33:08] <zeeshan> i ordered enough stuff from automationdirect and other places
[18:33:11] <Rab> Why didn't you use two DB25 IDC on a little ribbon cable?
[18:33:12] <zeeshan> to know thats not the reason
[18:33:20] <Rab> That's all that's inside that thing.
[18:33:39] <zeeshan> wanted it all to be shielded
[18:34:41] <zeeshan> the company is just ripping me off
[18:34:48] <zeeshan> Please confirm one of the estimated methods provided or offer your own UPS, FEDEX or DHL account number to use to send your requested order. Once you have advised us on how you would prefer that we ship your order, it will be released. 1 box 2-lbs
[18:34:56] <zeeshan> yea i really dont think this thing needs a 2lb box.
[18:35:07] <zeeshan> more like a 5 oz bubble wrap pound
[18:35:09] <zeeshan> *pouch
[18:35:10] <Connor> Did you order it already ?
[18:35:13] <zeeshan> yea
[18:35:18] <zeeshan> i can still cancel it
[18:35:23] <zeeshan> got an alternative?
[18:35:26] <zeeshan> thats in usa?
[18:35:44] <Rab> zeeshan, after pic: http://i.imgur.com/CUxFVhg.jpg
[18:35:46] <Connor> Like Rab said.. ribbon cable with DB25 IDC's on them.
[18:36:03] <zeeshan> connor i want it all shielded
[18:36:09] <zeeshan> otherwise i woulda ran idc cable
[18:36:18] <zeeshan> for the whole cable
[18:36:20] <Connor> Then call the company and ask them why the shipping is so much.
[18:36:35] <zeeshan> rab those are some nice slides
[18:36:39] <zeeshan> i can see one there
[18:36:43] <zeeshan> that i could use!
[18:36:45] <zeeshan> sell me it :P
[18:36:51] <zeeshan> the one in the black
[18:36:57] <Connor> http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70126251
[18:37:07] <Connor> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/L-COM-DG9025MF2-/83-13193
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[18:37:11] <zeeshan> connor it's made by the same company :P
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[18:37:26] <Connor> yes, but, coming from different vendors..
[18:37:29] <Rab> haha
[18:37:36] <Connor> who may not charge to much shipping..
[18:37:51] <Rab> Allied is 200 miles from me.
[18:37:56] <Connor> http://www.amazon.com/L-com-Series-Right-Angle-Adapter/dp/B004EEWG8C
[18:38:08] <Connor> sold by l-com, but, might be cheaper via amazon on shipping..
[18:39:31] <zeeshan> i was so close to running idc cable
[18:39:36] <zeeshan> i found the connectors locally
[18:39:44] <zeeshan> but the 25 wire flat cable
[18:39:48] <zeeshan> only came in like 1000 feet
[18:39:49] <zeeshan> lol
[18:39:54] <zeeshan> and cost a shit load of money
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[18:40:05] <Rab> zeeshan, just wrap it in copper foil.
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[18:40:24] <Rab> Tear up an old IDE cable!
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[18:40:40] <zeeshan> ide cable for a hd?
[18:40:47] <zeeshan> i think i has. :p
[18:40:54] <zeeshan> i threw most of that stuff away
[18:40:55] <zeeshan> when i went sata
[18:41:19] <Rab> Yep. The 40-pin cables are the same as any other ribbon cable.
[18:41:34] <zeeshan> oh well
[18:41:36] <zeeshan> ill get raped this time
[18:41:39] <zeeshan> i need this stuff
[18:41:55] <Rab> Another option would be to redo the end of your cable with a RA hood like this: http://s3.showmecables.com/images/catalog/product/DB25-Hood-Right-Angle-Metal-1125HRM-1.jpg
[18:42:04] <zeeshan> wont fit
[18:42:11] <zeeshan> unless im thinking thats huge
[18:42:14] <Rab> Different axis of exit, but maybe it would work?
[18:42:43] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16006673692/
[18:42:48] <zeeshan> you can kinda see the exit here
[18:42:50] <zeeshan> at the 7i77
[18:42:59] <zeeshan> and the lonely db25 cable
[18:43:02] <zeeshan> that wants to make love to it
[18:43:03] <zeeshan> but can't
[18:43:07] <zeeshan> :)
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[18:43:32] <Rab> This one's pretty sexy, as far as compact entry: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/463/539/436/436539463_469.JPG
[18:43:58] <zeeshan> i really think mesa should come with astraight connector
[18:44:02] <zeeshan> that goes up
[18:44:05] <zeeshan> rather than to the side like that
[18:45:22] <Rab> Right-angle makes a lot more sense if it's going in an enclosure.
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[18:48:43] <zeeshan> are solders acceptable in 110v circuits
[18:48:48] <zeeshan> soldered joints
[18:48:54] <zeeshan> my fans that came with the machine for some reason
[18:48:57] <zeeshan> have soldered connections
[18:49:03] <zeeshan> instead of spade terminnals
[18:49:32] <Rab> That's fine, they're low-current.
[18:50:09] <zeeshan> i wonder at what point they become unacceptable
[18:50:30] <zeeshan> like for house wiring
[18:50:42] <zeeshan> i know its not "proper" to solder two pieces of wire together
[18:50:48] <zeeshan> you need to run a junction box
[18:50:55] <zeeshan> and use wire nuts
[18:55:58] <Rab> The connection requires mechanical support. Soldering doesn't count, so past a certain point it's just a liability.
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[18:56:53] <Rab> Plus solder actually has fairly high resistance compared to copper. You would prefer a gas-tight mechanical connection between your conductors, with no solder involved.
[18:58:24] <zeeshan> okay i see wha tyou mean
[18:58:31] <zeeshan> at the solder joint
[18:58:40] <zeeshan> you could possibly have more heat being generated relative to the rest of teh conductor
[18:58:44] <zeeshan> "hot spot"
[18:58:51] <Rab> Too much current through a solder joint causes it to heat up. The solder softens and eventually melts, causing a really bad thermal runaway situation.
[18:58:53] <zeeshan> similar to what you get on bus bar
[18:58:56] <zeeshan> when you bend it 90 degree too sharp
[18:59:21] <Rab> Plus solder joints can crack or otherwise incur high resistance, leading to the same failure.
[18:59:39] <zeeshan> so even on fans its not perferrably
[18:59:42] <zeeshan> *perferrable
[18:59:48] <zeeshan> cause they make proper fan plugs for em
[19:00:06] <Rab> You don't want your circuitry to literally fall apart and start a fire. I've seen several actual instances of that happening.
[19:00:07] <zeeshan> Rab: https://www.gardteconline.com/images/cab702.jpg
[19:00:20] <zeeshan> those are the plugs i have
[19:00:28] <zeeshan> but when i went to pull the old wire
[19:00:31] <zeeshan> it was soldered in :/
[19:00:39] <zeeshan> so i need to somehow clean that joint up
[19:00:54] <Rab> zeeshan, I think we've had this discussion before. Those fans will be totally fine, even if they're not fused...and I believe you've fused them.
[19:01:04] <zeeshan> yea theyre fused
[19:01:12] <zeeshan> "overengineering"
[19:01:14] <zeeshan> :D
[19:02:13] <Rab> I would use the old soldered wire. If you're trying to slip a crimp connector over a terminal covered with residual solder, you have the worst of both worlds.
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[19:02:46] <zeeshan> oh trust me
[19:02:48] <zeeshan> im going to clean it good
[19:03:09] <Rab> The crimp connector edges are contacting a very small area of solder. It's more likely to heat up and melt, causing the connector to slip off.
[19:03:21] <zeeshan> at least if the conenctor slips off
[19:03:22] <zeeshan> its insulated :d
[19:03:28] <zeeshan> unlike a regular wire!
[19:03:44] <Rab> You would use heat shrink to insulate that type of connection.
[19:03:57] <Rab> Or epoxy, or whatever.
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[19:04:50] <Rab> I'm not a huge fan of spade terminals, either. But every connector type has its problems.
[19:05:16] <zeeshan> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Orion%20Fans/C45-24P.jpg
[19:05:18] <zeeshan> im using that
[19:06:09] <Rab> Yeah, those things always seem kinda loose to me.
[19:06:33] <Connor> For a fan, those are fine.
[19:07:19] <Connor> zeeshan: What part are you talking about soldering ?
[19:07:32] <zeeshan> connor the way the factory cnc controller had it
[19:07:33] <Connor> cutting the cords or something ?
[19:07:38] <zeeshan> they solderred wires directly to the fans
[19:07:43] <Connor> Ah.
[19:08:04] <Connor> it's good either way.
[19:08:09] <Connor> solder for 110v is fine.
[19:19:58] <jdh> unless your wire vibrates
[19:26:26] <renesis> you need to provide better strain relief if youre soldering 110
[19:26:51] <renesis> the solder wicks up the wire, and creates a local stress point where the solder ends
[19:27:28] <renesis> youd get failures that maybe wouldnt have happened with crimped ends or just clamping bare ends
[19:27:53] <jdh> right, that's what I said.
[19:28:24] <renesis> i dids moar werds
[19:28:39] <renesis> but yeah this is why its retarded to solder properly crimped contacts that grip insulation for strain relief
[19:29:05] <renesis> you bypass the included strain relief because the solder will wick past it
[19:29:40] <Connor> spade connectors don't crimp insulation
[19:29:54] <renesis> but they provide a sleev
[19:30:00] <renesis> and i usually heatshrink those
[19:30:12] <renesis> and soldering them is bad for reasons states above
[19:32:15] <renesis> hmm, also thats not entirely correct because good crimpers will have stepped jaws that will also crimp the sleeve around the insulation
[19:33:53] <renesis> also the industrial ones, not the plastic sleeve ones you get at the hardware store, will usually have the insulation clamp
[19:33:57] <jdh> If you strip properly, and insert properly, and crimp properly
[19:37:37] <zeeshan> wow
[19:37:40] <zeeshan> you guys are still taklking about this
[19:37:41] <zeeshan> :D
[19:37:51] <zeeshan> ps im not soldering it
[19:37:57] <zeeshan> im using the proper connector for it
[19:38:13] <jdh> I'd just solder to the terminals.
[19:38:20] <zeeshan> meh
[19:38:23] <zeeshan> i have the connectors :)
[19:38:25] <zeeshan> muse it!
[19:38:31] <jdh> we can't all be rich like you.
[19:38:32] <zeeshan> makes fan replacement easier too
[19:38:38] <renesis> solder plus high temp hot glue is pretty win
[19:38:40] <zeeshan> they were only 5 bux
[19:38:54] <zeeshan> with like 10 feet of wire
[19:39:16] <jdh> why is it so painful to find a non-widescreen monitor
[19:39:26] <renesis> because movies
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[19:39:32] <Connor> jdh: Because they went out of style.
[19:39:41] <renesis> sucks for pdf docs
[19:39:47] <Connor> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8740/eizo-announces-the-ips-265-flexscan-ev2730q-monitor-with-1920x1920-resolution
[19:39:51] <jdh> I want more verical pixels
[19:39:52] <Connor> take a look at those
[19:39:53] <CaptHindsight> jdh: how many do you need?
[19:39:55] <renesis> i kind of want a second widescreen to run vertical for pdf
[19:40:03] <jdh> Capt. 5 would be good
[19:40:20] <Connor> http://hexus.net/tech/news/displays/77381-eizo-intros-flexscan-ev2730q-265-inch-square-monitor/
[19:40:22] <renesis> woah @ 1:1 aspect ratio
[19:40:26] <jdh> I'm going to have to go through IT and get absrudly priced dells
[19:41:15] <jdh> wow, that 1920^2 looks great for coding
[19:41:29] <Connor> Yes.. Yes it does..
[19:41:37] <SpeedEvil> I want one
[19:42:19] <Connor> I run 1680x1050 x 2
[19:42:27] <Connor> on 22" monitors
[19:43:06] <mozmck> I run 1920x1200 on 2 24" monitors, and that is pretty nice.
[19:43:07] <jdh> I need some plain old cheap LCD's for operators to look at for 2 mins every 90 minutes or so.
[19:43:25] <Connor> 1920 x 1080 isn't 16:1
[19:43:41] <jdh> 16:1 would be awkward
[19:43:43] <renesis> its 192:108
[19:43:44] <mozmck> jdh: I think the easiest to find is used monitors.
[19:43:59] <Connor> 1680 x 1050 is 16:1
[19:44:08] <mozmck> I see 17" quite often in the ~$30-45 range
[19:44:16] <jdh> or 16:10
[19:44:22] <renesis> yeah
[19:44:25] <Connor> I meant 16:10
[19:44:31] <renesis> 16:1 would be pretty nuts
[19:44:47] <renesis> wrap that around your head
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[19:49:40] <jdh> panoramic mode
[19:50:02] <Connor> I can rotate my monitors.. never really used it that way..
[19:50:07] <zeeshan> you can always take a regular screen
[19:50:09] <zeeshan> and turn it sideways
[19:50:21] <zeeshan> whoops
[19:50:24] <zeeshan> just read connors comment
[19:50:24] <renesis> they dont all have stock mounts for that
[19:50:25] <zeeshan> :P
[19:50:48] <Connor> You get 78% more pixels... with this new 1:1
[19:50:52] <zeeshan> the vesa mount ones
[19:50:53] <renesis> like, i can remove the base from my monitor, but not the stalk that connects the base
[19:50:55] <zeeshan> are easy to change
[19:51:09] <renesis> and then i gotta use the 4 vesa mount points with a 3rd party mount
[19:51:13] <renesis> not ideal
[19:51:27] <Connor> I use a dual arm mount for my setup.
[19:51:29] <renesis> zeeshan: they dont always work, tho =\
[19:51:50] <renesis> at job, i wanted to rotate the monitor i used with my laptop
[19:52:18] <renesis> and it looked like standard vesa, but when i took the stand off it had these tabs that interfered with the body when vertical
[19:52:24] <renesis> had to grind them off wtf
[19:53:10] <renesis> its like, they went out of their way to make the stand not work vertical, and it dodnt look like the tabs really did anything in normal orientation
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[19:54:39] <zeeshan> http://www.watchmaxx.com/watch/patek-philippe-grand-complications-men-5208P-001?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=5208P-001&gclid=COHpk6jZyMICFSxgMgodrHgAvA
[19:54:41] <zeeshan> wtf
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[19:55:54] <renesis> its a watch
[19:56:06] <Connor> 1 million dollar one...
[19:56:19] <Connor> Platinum case
[19:56:24] <renesis> right, theyre bigger status symbol than a car, so not surprised
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[20:49:43] <jdh> I took my watch & wedding ring off for a dive trip about 10 years ago.
[20:50:16] <Tom_itx> are you diving to find them now?
[20:50:53] <jdh> no, they are still in the drawer I put them in that day.
[20:50:54] <jdh> afaik.
[20:51:24] <Tom_itx> heh
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[21:34:37] <ssi> hrm
[21:48:02] <anonimasu> pcw_home: are you around?
[21:49:17] <anonimasu> I am having trouble with getting the drives working(good)
[21:49:36] <anonimasu> not huge ones, but it seems that the magnetic homing somply dosent work
[21:50:48] <zeeshan> ssi what are you hrming about
[21:53:25] <anonimasu> anyone got a clue how to actually get the (home) position for a motor?
[21:53:33] <anonimasu> apply power to U W ?
[21:53:37] <anonimasu> and measure the offset there?
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[22:41:13] <ssi> anonimasu: you're talking about brushless servo motors?
[22:42:04] <ssi> you can hold two phases high and one low, and that'll give you a definite position within one electrical rotation
[22:42:24] <ssi> but remember that a motor is going to make N electrical rotations per mechanical rotation where N is poles / 2
[22:45:25] <anonimasu> w
[22:45:41] <anonimasu> is that what should go into the 8i20's as ref angle
[22:46:22] <ssi> that I couldn't tell ya
[22:47:19] <anonimasu> I am stuck there, I can get motors spinning feedback is no problem, but I cant find the zero to make them run smooth
[22:47:31] <anonimasu> neither the magnetic homing works quite well(Idk why)
[22:47:40] <anonimasu> it's a 8 pole motor
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[22:49:37] <anonimasu> I ran theese motors before with the 8i20 but it was with the previous version(beta) of emc 2.6
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[22:55:12] <anonimasu> pcw_home: when you read this, you could give me a hint on how to find the zero and align the encoder zero to the motor(and what the drive) expects to have as zero I've been testing random and sometimes it works and sometimes i need to reverse the Pgain to get them spinning
[22:55:29] <anonimasu> but I get very little torque compared to what I am supposed to.
[22:56:05] <anonimasu> pcw_home: anyway bedtime I hope you read this and got a good answer to how I can get unstuck.
[22:56:08] <anonimasu> laters
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[23:30:32] <ssi> rgh I hate being injured :(
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[23:44:55] <Jymm> I'm cleaning up in anticipating of moving within the next 3-18 months. But how to you clear out that 14ga 12 ft heady duty power cable that you would never buy again but if you need a replacement for a power tool, etc you'll have it on hand?
[23:44:58] <Jymm> (serious queston btw)
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[23:58:34] <Tom_itx> you don't?