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[00:03:15] <Valen> I was just going to make a "fire supression system"
[00:03:25] <Valen> AKA water cannons
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[00:10:57] <andypugh> jdh: Yes, I could make a Gatling gun, but then I would probably find myself in some sort of legal difficulty.
[00:12:55] <Rab> Or surrounded by 30,000 decomposing knights.
[00:14:14] <pfred1> I reas an article on the net someplace about this old guy with a machine shop under his porch and he makes working miniature replicas of gattling guns
[00:14:51] <pfred1> well working replicas
[00:15:09] <pfred1> I think they fired 22 longs?
[00:16:40] <andypugh> That’s not a toy.
[00:17:31] <pfred1> I don't know they seemed to be having fun playing with it to me
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[00:18:35] <pfred1> check this guy out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgDKR0L2RA
[00:18:59] <pfred1> his baby ma deuce
[00:19:18] <pfred1> that's cute!
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[00:25:28] <pfred1> that's not a gun. Now that's a gun!
http://www.hightech-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/gau-8-a-30mm-gatlin-gun-vw-beetle-comparison.jpg
[00:26:01] <jdh> http://www.gatlingguns.net/pricelist.htm
[00:26:19] <pfred1> we put wings on the Gau and call it the A-10
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[00:45:36] <pfred1> well, I finally finished up the additional bracing on the X axis of my machine a litle while ago now
[00:45:47] <pfred1> it seems really solid to me now
[00:46:34] <pfred1> there are two belts of steel that wrap all the way around the machine
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[00:52:28] <andypugh> Steel? Tungsten would be better :-)
[00:52:54] <pfred1> it would be much harder to cut, and drill, and tap though
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[00:54:22] <pfred1> we had a sinker at the machine shop I worked in
[00:54:36] <pfred1> for when we needed holes in tungsten
[00:54:38] <_methods> we had a floater today at mie
[00:54:44] <_methods> s/mie/mine
[00:54:57] <_methods> i had to flush 2 times
[00:59:08] <PetefromTn_> Hey guys.....Is it possible to switch from metric to english display in the tool table?
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[01:02:06] <pfred1> imperial not english
[01:02:10] <SpeedEvil> 0.192 nanofurlongs
[01:02:13] <PetefromTn_> whatever
[01:02:30] <pfred1> you put english on cue balls
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[01:11:02] <jdh> you have a metric tool table?
[01:11:40] <PetefromTn_> yup
[01:11:57] <pfred1> egads
[01:13:58] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I am pretty sure that the tool table is always in machine-native units
[01:14:15] <pfred1> I'm so glad the metric system never caught on for wide use here
[01:14:32] <andypugh> Probably simplest to use excel to change it then switch the machine basis.
[01:14:58] <andypugh> Or leave it as it is for when you decide to switch to a rational system
[01:15:02] <PetefromTn_> when connor and I setup the machine we made it innately metric due to the metric ballscrews
[01:15:14] <jdh> bummer
[01:15:19] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY REALLY regret that decision now
[01:15:29] <jdh> I have metric ballscrews and real units
[01:15:32] <PetefromTn_> I dunno how hard it would be to change it back
[01:15:42] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ you're like an inferior foreigner now or something
[01:15:54] <PetefromTn_> I wish this was funny
[01:16:00] <andypugh> I am not sure how touch-off works in non-machine units
[01:16:01] <jdh> it is for everyone else.
[01:16:03] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to use the cutter compensation
[01:16:11] <pfred1> with your puny little metric system
[01:16:27] <PetefromTn_> and making adjustments is a PIA
[01:17:30] <jdh> all your speeds/etc in ini are mm?
[01:17:43] <PetefromTn_> no
[01:17:52] <PetefromTn_> somehow the display is all in imperial
[01:17:52] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Two options, switch the machine, or learn metric where it matters.
[01:18:31] <pfred1> I know metric but just looking at a metric scale gives me a headache
[01:18:31] <andypugh> You can run imperial G-code and view imperial DRO on any machine
[01:18:38] <PetefromTn_> Boy lots of condescension here today.. I don't need to learn shit I already use metric quite a bit thank you. I just want to make the tool editor table imperial
[01:19:07] <PetefromTn_> if that means I have to redo the whole machine then so be it
[01:19:11] <pfred1> all of those little millimeter hash marks ugh how does anyone tolerate it?
[01:19:20] <PetefromTn_> but I did not know how it worked so I came her for help
[01:19:24] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Not condescending, I mix units a lot. I make Imperial parts on a metric machine all the time
[01:19:51] <PetefromTn_> I am USED to running commercial machines here and they are all imperial unless you WANT them to be metric
[01:19:52] <jdh> where are units specified other than [TRAJ] ?
[01:19:57] <andypugh> But I live in a metric world
[01:19:58] <PetefromTn_> this is ideally what I want from my machines
[01:20:28] <pfred1> andypugh in theory so do we the USA officially adopted the metric system in 1969
[01:20:48] <PetefromTn_> I don't really live in a metric world here and I want to do what I know best to minimize mistakes.
[01:20:49] <jdh> mine work fine in mm and inch
[01:21:06] <jdh> but, my tool table (such as it is) is imperial
[01:21:11] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ you do you just don't know it
[01:21:38] <PetefromTn_> ..
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[01:21:53] <andypugh> And in 1812, but one of our Privateers stole your Meter. If you hadn’t declared war on us in 1812 we wouldn’t have stolen it, and you would be metric.
[01:22:03] <pfred1> andypugh in the mid 70s the USA even switched all of our gasoline pumps to liters
[01:22:21] <jdh> no we didn't
[01:22:27] <pfred1> andypugh within a week revolution was fermenting so we switched them all back
[01:22:30] <pfred1> yes we did
[01:22:40] <pfred1> in 1975
[01:22:55] <pfred1> it lasted about a week
[01:23:00] <PetefromTn_> boy this is so helpful
[01:23:10] <pfred1> people were flipping out buying gasoline by the liter
[01:23:44] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: It is not an enormous amount of work to switch your machine
[01:23:55] <PetefromTn_> okay how would one go about it?
[01:24:11] <jdh> if his speeds/etc are already in inches, what is there to change?
[01:24:14] <LeelooMinai> Shrink it by 2.54 factor:)
[01:24:26] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Copy the entire config directory to something like “CInci_antiquated_units”
[01:25:13] <andypugh> Then go through the INI dividing by 25.4 eveywhere
[01:25:24] <LeelooMinai> Or better delete it, so you don't have second thoughts
[01:25:27] <andypugh> (it won’t be that many different numbers0
[01:26:24] <andypugh> No, keep the good, working config. Then you have the choice, and can have a metric-native any time you choose.
[01:26:45] <PetefromTn_> how do you switch configs back and forth?
[01:27:00] <andypugh> From the config-picker
[01:27:36] <andypugh> My machine can be a mill, a lathe, or an imperial lathe, depending on what config I choose
[01:27:48] <PetefromTn_> not familiar with the config-picker
[01:28:04] <andypugh> (and it is easy enough to have separate icons/shortcuts for each config
[01:29:06] <andypugh> If you go to the CNC menu and choose LinuxCNC, or type “linuxcnc” at the command lind you get the config picker
[01:29:17] <PetefromTn_> okay
[01:29:29] <PetefromTn_> right now we have the machine setup to load directly into linuxCNC
[01:29:46] <andypugh> You only don’t get the picker if you have a dedicated icon/shorcut
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[01:31:47] <PetefromTn_> yes we have a dedicated icon and like I said it loads upon startup.
[01:32:10] <jdh> the last thing I made I drew in mm, which was ok, I just had to verify things since they didn't seem known.
[01:32:27] <andypugh> So, keep the metric one. It might be useful. Then edit the clone, it’s just simple maths. Excel (or equivalent) is probbaly the tool of choice for editing the tool-table. “Paste Special” with 25.4 on the clip-board and “divide” as the operation will do it in one shot
[01:32:31] <jdh> then the CAM made it in inches and it became more confusing.
[01:32:43] <Computer_Barf> ok so I pulled the trigger on the g0704 conversion kit
[01:32:53] <jdh> barf: which one?
[01:34:11] <Computer_Barf> http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/arizonavideo/library/Grizzly%20G0704%20CNC%20Kit%20RM-16%20C7?sort=3&page=1
[01:34:20] <Computer_Barf> this but c7 ballscrews
[01:34:23] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Then you can try the new config from the CNC menu, and only when you are happy it works, change the shortcut/icon
[01:34:36] <PetefromTn_> okay..
[01:35:00] <Computer_Barf> anyone have any ideas on what cam software I should use?
[01:35:05] <PetefromTn_> so stupid question is 25.4 enough decimal places or is there more to ensure the screw pitch is correct?
[01:35:31] <jdh> it is exact
[01:35:44] <PetefromTn_> okay thank you.
[01:36:00] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: But: You can make imperial parts on a metric-native machine, it’s not _that_ hard. The only reason to switch is if you make 10x as many imperial parts as metric
[01:36:35] <andypugh> The inch was actually re-defined to the metric standard
[01:36:36] <jdh> and the tool table
[01:36:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know all this, I just hate having to convert my dimensions every time I need to adjust cutter positions in the table.
[01:37:52] <PetefromTn_> almost all of the parts and cutters I make are imperial and even when they are not MOST of the dimensions I get are... It just would be MUCH simpler for me and honestly this is how every machine in the shops I worked in are setup.
[01:37:57] <jdh> barf: looks nice. Can you get it with double-nuts?
[01:38:15] <andypugh> No real help for you, but the numerical entry boxes on all my machines allow me to type mm
[01:39:01] <andypugh> or in or tpi or pitch to auto convert unuts
[01:39:01] <PetefromTn_> I tried to do the auto math input on the tool table and it either did not work or I did it wrong.
[01:39:29] <PetefromTn_> I do enjoy using it to find the center of my parts at touch off tho.
[01:39:49] <PetefromTn_> nice feature and keeps me from having to reach for the calculator all the time.
[01:39:57] <Computer_Barf> jdh: idk , I would have to ask. it it just a matter of adding a second set of nuts?
[01:40:15] <jdh> dunno, connor got double nuts for his.
[01:40:21] <PetefromTn_> andypugh Do you use cutter compensation on your machines?
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[01:41:07] <jdh> you using it for cutter wear, or for toolpaths?
[01:41:15] <andypugh> Sometimes. I typically only use it on hand-coded profiles. Otherwise I let the CAM do it
[01:41:17] <jdh> vs. letting your CAM do it for you
[01:41:19] <PetefromTn_> trying to yeah
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[01:41:36] <PetefromTn_> I have been letting the CAM do it
[01:41:46] <PetefromTn_> but that is really a big disadvantage
[01:42:04] <PetefromTn_> not being able to change the offset without reposting is very time consuming
[01:42:20] <andypugh> I don’t do much generic milling. And I rarely care enough to be bothered about cutter wear
[01:42:39] <PetefromTn_> how do you creep up on a tight dimension?
[01:42:43] <andypugh> I really am not a good example to look at ;-)
[01:43:13] <andypugh> I don’t think I have ever milled a tight dimension.
[01:43:17] <jdh> barf: does he have prices somewhere?
[01:43:43] <ds3> use the cutter comp stuff if it is implemented
[01:43:59] <pfred1> my digital calipers taught me that 0.02mm = 0.001 inch
[01:44:00] <PetefromTn_> really? Well I have to often creep up on tight tolerance dimensions to get the parts right and having to repost after making a simple change is really sucking for me...
[01:44:05] <andypugh> I bore holes, rather than circular mill. Typically I am milling a shape
[01:44:07] <Computer_Barf> look up g0704 kit on youtube, i had to email him
[01:45:08] <jdh> way too much work.
[01:45:17] <jdh> belt drive looks interesting though
[01:45:26] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Yeah, we play different games. The things I do would be stupid for you.
[01:45:44] <PetefromTn_> why do you say that?
[01:46:14] <PetefromTn_> you do make parts with your machines just like I do... perhaps you just make things that do not need to be very precise in certain areas is all..
[01:46:35] <PetefromTn_> it is much more than that really tho
[01:47:42] <PetefromTn_> to be able to overcome incorrect programming issues without having to repost code is also a nice feature... mostly it is just to make quick changes and adjust for cutter diameter to get the part to spec.
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[01:54:14] <Computer_Barf> :( no cam recommendations?
[01:54:48] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Most of the things I make are replicas of old castings. So none of the “shape” features are that critical. Hole positions and diameters often matter, but those are drilled/bored. I mainly work on old stuff where the 3D shape was only vaguely defined, and the engineering was all in the holes.
[01:55:35] <andypugh> Computer_Barf: Did you even ask a question?
[01:56:46] <Computer_Barf> yeah, I recently pulled the trigger on a kit for a g0704, I plan on running linux cnc but am not sure what to use as a cam
[01:57:13] <jdh> I mostly use cut2d since it is cheap and easy
[01:57:20] <jdh> could try cambam
[01:57:27] <Computer_Barf> most of the cams i see people recommend are for windows and I don't want to be switching back and forth
[01:57:57] <pfred1> we all like 'em cheap, and easy, don't we?
[01:58:29] <PetefromTn_> andypugh I trust I did not offend with my statements that was not the intention whatsoever. I am just used to doing things the way these shops locally all seem to do and I want to try to setup my machine in this manner and start using cutter comp as they do.
[01:58:42] <Computer_Barf> depends..
[01:59:06] <jdh> Pete: it is how you should have set up the machine in the first place.
[01:59:07] <Computer_Barf> but if more expensive means windows.. i would rather avoid, or have that be the second option
[01:59:11] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: No, in your situation that seems entirely reasonable.
[01:59:36] <PetefromTn_> from what little I have seen of that recent posts by methods on the autocad company's new release that is what I would be looking into for CAM
[01:59:55] <PetefromTn_> jdh I thought we already established that but thanks..
[02:00:10] <pfred1> I think some ancient versions of autocad run in wine
[02:00:19] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: It’s an hour or so of work to make an imperial config, and you always have the old one to fall back on. Just try it.
[02:00:27] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about their 3d cloud based setup.
[02:00:40] <andypugh> Fusion360?
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[02:00:46] <PetefromTn_> andypugh Yes this is what I think needs to happen
[02:00:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats the one I think.
[02:01:16] <PetefromTn_> it looked quite impressive for what it is and as I recall there is a real cheap or free option for hobbyists.
[02:01:34] <PetefromTn_> forgive me guys tonight.
[02:01:44] <andypugh> Computer_Barf: PyCAM fits your requirements, but some of the 3D routines are unusably slow.
[02:01:45] <PetefromTn_> I was in the hospital two days ago
[02:01:57] <pfred1> has anyone here tried this?
http://pycam.sourceforge.net/
[02:02:08] <andypugh> pfred1: Yes
[02:02:15] <pfred1> andypugh well?
[02:02:22] <pfred1> is it worth the time?
[02:02:27] <andypugh> I just said :-)
[02:02:40] <pfred1> is it any good?
[02:03:10] <andypugh> It’s OK, but some of the 3D routines are unusubly skow
[02:03:28] <andypugh> (I typed it better the first time)
[02:04:08] <pfred1> yeah it does not seem to be too actively developed
[02:05:10] <PetefromTn_> if you can get that fusion 360 for cheap or free you really need to look at some youtube videos about it. That is a pretty powerful package...
[02:05:13] <FinboySlick> I think it'd be great if there was something other than OpenCASCADE (as in more modern and lighter) to write CAD apps in the open source world.
[02:06:01] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: I think they use HSMWorks for their CAM engine, which I think is excellent.
[02:06:22] <PetefromTn_> I just briefly watched some youtube videos and was quite impressed...
[02:06:52] <PetefromTn_> integrated CAD CAM with some good functionality and lots of toolpath options what more could you want.
[02:06:55] <PetefromTn_> 3d too
[02:07:12] <Computer_Barf> fusion 360 seems to be cloud based
[02:07:15] <PetefromTn_> I have not played with it but watched a bunch of videos one night about it
[02:07:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is cloud based as far as I understand.
[02:07:44] <andypugh> PyCAM can fail to produce a 3D path overnight that Mescam or CamBam can make in seconds.
[02:07:59] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[02:08:14] <Computer_Barf> yeah that sounds, like not what i want.
[02:08:14] <pfred1> ban!
[02:08:20] <pfred1> bam even
[02:08:21] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: The maths behind toolpath generation aren't trivial.
[02:08:27] <andypugh> Currenly I am using my 30 trials of CamBam. It isn’s as good as Meshcam, but it’s cheaper.
[02:08:36] <PetefromTn_> I can vouch for CAMBAM too... it is quite usable and capable
[02:08:54] <PetefromTn_> it does not really have a lot of stuff built in but you can CONFIGURE lots of neat stuff
[02:08:58] <Computer_Barf> cambam linux?
[02:09:02] <PetefromTn_> and there are plugins that help.
[02:09:08] <andypugh> Sadly not
[02:09:14] <PetefromTn_> what DO you want?
[02:09:27] <Computer_Barf> linux based cam
[02:09:28] <Computer_Barf> lol
[02:09:42] <pfred1> yeah I do not run Windows at all
[02:09:49] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick To be sure... and the more complex the toolpath the more complex the program needs to be to support it.
[02:09:55] <andypugh> SheetCAM has a Linux version, and for 2.5D stuff it is fine, but is mainly aimed at plasma/laser/2D
[02:10:03] <pfred1> I have not run WIndows since about 1996
[02:10:26] <PetefromTn_> well I hate to tell you but almost all of the top CAM programs run under windoze.
[02:10:45] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ you're not telling me anything that I do not already know
[02:10:55] <PetefromTn_> wasn't trying to
[02:11:21] <andypugh> I run CamBam in a VM (On my Mac) and live with it.
[02:11:35] <PetefromTn_> but I have direct knowledge of Mastercam, CamBAM and Sheetcam as well as tried a few others so that is what I can speak of.
[02:12:13] <andypugh> PyCAM runs native, but it’s too slow at the moment. It could probably be fixed.
[02:12:46] <andypugh> But maybe it isn’t my job to fix it.
[02:13:08] <_methods> heekscad was alright for simple toolpaths
[02:13:21] <_methods> heekscam i mean
[02:13:54] <andypugh> Has anyone looked to see where the CAM module for FreeCAD is now?
[02:14:10] <_methods> wasn't that heekscam?
[02:14:11] <PetefromTn_> last I looked it was a ways off..
[02:14:29] <pfred1> a ways off like support for Imperial units?
[02:14:51] <andypugh> Yeah, no updates for years:
http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=CAM_project
[02:14:52] <PetefromTn_> actually they sorta fixed that in FreeCAd
[02:14:54] <_methods> fusion360 is free and the toolpath gen was pretty damn good from what i saw
[02:15:08] <PetefromTn_> but the CAM is a ways off
[02:15:41] <PetefromTn_> there is a good bit of work going on in the forum about it last I checked. There are several posts that looked interesting.
[02:16:04] <PetefromTn_> _methods I agree I looked it after you spoke about it awhile back
[02:16:09] <PetefromTn_> looks very capable
[02:16:24] <pfred1> the state of Linux CAM is slim to none
[02:16:32] <PetefromTn_> have not tried to download it yet
[02:16:35] <PetefromTn_> need to
[02:16:48] <_methods> no lathe toolpathing though from what i saw
[02:17:00] * pfred1 will give dxf2gcode a shot
[02:17:02] <PetefromTn_> oh really...that sucks.
[02:17:40] <_methods> well it's hard to beat the pricing on it lol
[02:17:43] <PetefromTn_> I machined a couple parts for a local customer tonight. Kinda simple stuff that is getting bead blasted.
[02:17:45] <pfred1> isn't thre a g code generator plug in for blender?
[02:17:47] <_methods> and you can use it o linux
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[02:18:02] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah it works on linux?
[02:18:16] <_methods> it's cloud based
[02:18:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[02:18:23] <_methods> so you can use it on whatever
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[02:18:56] <PetefromTn_> it looked quite powerful from the youtube videos I watched. Some impressive features
[02:19:08] <andypugh> Night all
[02:19:11] <_methods> oh damn i'm a liar
[02:19:13] <Connor> Computer_Barf I would not use those couplers pictured in that kit. I would use Oldhams.
[02:19:13] <PetefromTn_> GN8
[02:19:18] <_methods> its only osx and windows
[02:19:37] <_methods> who the hell makes anything for osx
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[02:19:45] <PetefromTn_> _methods Wanna hear about my week thus far?
[02:19:58] <_methods> shoot man
[02:20:15] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Wanna compare ? :)
[02:20:16] <PetefromTn_> Well Saturday morning I wake up and my wife makes me a nice breakfast
[02:20:29] <PetefromTn_> next thing I know I get a slight headache
[02:20:30] <Computer_Barf> Connor: theoretically i could pick those up later?
[02:20:42] <_methods> well that sounds like a good way to start
[02:20:54] <PetefromTn_> then all of a sudden my head starts spinning like fucking crazy
[02:21:07] <_methods> oh man
[02:21:08] <PetefromTn_> and I have to get on the floor.
[02:21:09] <Tom_L> did she drug you?
[02:21:24] <Connor> Computer_Barf: Yes. Does his kit come with the ballnuts & screws or you get those separate ?
[02:21:25] <PetefromTn_> HORRIBLY DIZZY AND EXTREMELY NAUSEOUS
[02:21:26] <Computer_Barf> Connor: btw ,what cam are you using?
[02:21:35] <Connor> Computer_Barf: I use CamBam
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[02:21:44] <_methods> man that happened to me one time i had to go to the hospital
[02:21:51] <_methods> i had a potassium deficiency
[02:21:56] <PetefromTn_> spend the next three days in bed barely able to move my head at all
[02:21:59] <_methods> started havig seizures
[02:22:06] <PetefromTn_> finally had to go to the ER
[02:22:14] <Connor> PetefromTn_: That sucks.
[02:22:27] <PetefromTn_> they said I was terribly dehydrated and did a CT scan of my head
[02:22:30] <Computer_Barf> Connor: those pics are the rotons but I specified the c7 ballscrews for my kit
[02:22:36] <PetefromTn_> luckily they found no problems
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[02:22:39] <_methods> wow
[02:22:44] <PetefromTn_> so they chalked it up to vertigo
[02:22:46] <_methods> scary as hell
[02:22:49] <Connor> Computer_Barf: No. The ones in this link are the C7
[02:22:53] <PetefromTn_> SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME..
[02:23:00] <PetefromTn_> I thought I was having a stroke or something.
[02:23:01] <_methods> yeah i was freaking out when i had my potassium thing
[02:23:06] <Connor> But.. you might see about getting double nuts with them..
[02:23:10] <_methods> they had to put me in a wheelchair
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[02:23:15] <PetefromTn_> I have never been in that kind of mind scramble before.
[02:23:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too they wheeled me into the ER and everything.
[02:23:28] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Any sort of ear issues ?
[02:23:34] <Computer_Barf> ahh well either way c7's is what was selected for my order
[02:23:36] <_methods> horrible feelig
[02:23:47] <PetefromTn_> I would not wish this on my worst freakin' enemy..
[02:23:51] <_methods> i'm glad you're fine though
[02:23:56] <_methods> +1
[02:23:58] <_methods> hehe
[02:24:00] <PetefromTn_> just today I started to feel good enough to do anything.
[02:24:07] <Computer_Barf> the double ball nuts, theoretically I could pick up an additional 2 ballnuts and add them?
[02:24:21] <PetefromTn_> my head is still all messed up and I cannot turn my head too quickly or it feels like it will come back again.
[02:24:42] <PetefromTn_> they gave me what is basically turbo dramamine...
[02:25:15] * SpeedEvil thinks of the vladyvostok manoever
[02:25:34] <PetefromTn_> DAMN if that was not the worst feeling I have ever experienced in my life...
[02:25:45] <PetefromTn_> my eyes were spinning uncontrollably
[02:26:00] <PetefromTn_> I could not focus on anything for more than a moment for four days..
[02:26:15] <Connor> Wonder if one of the cilia in your ear broke off.
[02:26:27] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epley_maneuver
[02:26:30] <SpeedEvil> err - no - that
[02:26:44] <PetefromTn_> they seem to think I got some kinda flu coupled with the dehydration and stress and the vertigo all rolled into one.
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[02:26:50] <SpeedEvil> The Epley maneuver or repositioning maneuver is a maneuver used to treat benign paroxysmal positional vertigo (BPPV)[1] of the posterior or anterior canals.[2] It works by allowing free floating particles from the affected semicircular canal to be relocated, using gravity, back into the utricle, where they can no longer stimulate the cupula, therefore relieving the patient of bothersome vertigo
[02:26:55] <SpeedEvil> or that
[02:27:01] <PetefromTn_> thanks man I am familiar with that maneuver.
[02:27:08] <PetefromTn_> my wife has inner ear problems occasionally
[02:27:20] <PetefromTn_> I used to think it sucked for her when it happened
[02:27:24] <Computer_Barf> Connor: the double ball nuts, theoretically I could pick up an additional 2 ballnuts and add them?
[02:27:32] <PetefromTn_> now I have a HUGE respect and pity for her
[02:27:51] <PetefromTn_> because if it is ANYTHING like what I felt it sucks more than you can imagine sucking could suck...
[02:28:07] <Connor> The ones I have are a "set" for each ballscrew. They came pre-loaded with the ballscrews.
[02:28:50] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/ballscrews_100214_01.jpg
[02:28:58] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to eat more potassium..LOL
[02:29:15] <pfred1> bananas
[02:29:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah his ballscrews with the preloaded nuts are really nice actually I saw them myself here.
[02:29:38] <PetefromTn_> yup bananas
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[02:29:56] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ in any other channel your comment would be considered rather risque
[02:30:07] <PetefromTn_> which comment
[02:30:13] <pfred1> 21:22 < PetefromTn_> yeah his ballscrews with the preloaded nuts are really nice actually I saw them myself here.
[02:30:17] <Connor> rofl
[02:30:17] <PetefromTn_> aah
[02:30:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah well it is accurate so whatever
[02:30:48] <PetefromTn_> Connor and I have a SPECIAL relationship...heheh
[02:30:50] <FinboySlick> Yay for bananas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCkerYMffMo
[02:30:56] <Connor> I'm freaking out a bit.. Still not sure what the deal is with the House. The mold and damage to the floor joist etc..
[02:31:14] <PetefromTn_> what damage?
[02:31:16] <Computer_Barf> have a flood?
[02:31:19] <pfred1> mold can be a serious issue
[02:31:38] <pfred1> I've heard tale told of houses having to be gutted over it
[02:32:06] <Connor> No Flood. We thought it might be a issue with the Sink drain and we thought we had issue with the toilet too... both the bathroom and kitchen floors are a bit soft.. the kitchen started getting REALLY bad a week or so ago.
[02:32:09] <PetefromTn_> there are HUNDREDS of houses in Florida and other parts that used that Chinese drywall that had to be gutted...
[02:32:23] <Computer_Barf> I used to work in mold remediation
[02:32:25] <pfred1> that was sulfer
[02:32:39] <pfred1> the chinese sheetrock
[02:32:41] <PetefromTn_> yessir
[02:32:43] <Computer_Barf> we did a ton of that when katrina happened
[02:32:51] <pfred1> houses smelled like rotten eggs I imagine
[02:33:00] <Computer_Barf> horrible stuff
[02:33:03] <Connor> but, one of the people looking it over today said we had some issue with the way the sunroom was done and it might be causing issues with the crawl space.
[02:33:04] <pfred1> or you had an old bulldog for a pet one of the two
[02:33:09] <PetefromTn_> it made a lot of folks sick and tore up metal parts in the house.
[02:33:14] <Computer_Barf> didn't breath right since then
[02:33:39] <pfred1> I really do try to avoid things madei n china anymore
[02:33:39] <Computer_Barf> all sensitive to anything after having done that work
[02:33:57] <Connor> have mold in the duct work too.. stupid heat and air guys told me I could leave the fan running all the time to help even the temperature in the house out.
[02:34:00] * FinboySlick has the sinking sensation that he just misplaced $40k.
[02:34:25] <Connor> that's a bad deal to do in the summer.. doesn't give the air time to condensate and drain off on the A coils.
[02:34:56] <pfred1> too bad they don't make a mold bomb like bug bombs
[02:35:22] <Connor> House on a 15 year mortgage with 6 years left.. and we going to have to take a freaking home equality loan out.
[02:35:40] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks
[02:35:41] <Connor> pfred1: That wouldn't help in our case.. we have damage..
[02:35:42] <Computer_Barf> when houses get flooded , the gravity drags the water downward
[02:35:49] <PetefromTn_> is there anything you can do yourself?
[02:36:12] <Connor> PetefromTn_: No. You need full containment to clean it up.
[02:36:18] <Computer_Barf> so the top of the walls have certain levels of moisture, more further down. The walls will literally stripe with diffrent moulds
[02:36:19] <Connor> remove the old insulation.. etc etc.
[02:36:31] <Computer_Barf> green , black , brown
[02:36:48] <Connor> Computer_Barf: It's mostly white
[02:36:50] <Connor> in my case.
[02:37:09] <Connor> but, they're telling me the color doesn't matter... that can greatly depend on what the mold "Eats"
[02:37:11] <pfred1> Connor it may be time to call your friendly neighborhood arsonist
[02:37:24] <PetefromTn_> might have something to do with your wife's health issues...
[02:37:42] <Computer_Barf> basically, the diffrent ones compete , which is why mould is toxic. Its not so much the spores, but the substances created in association, to fight for territory against other types.
[02:37:46] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yes Sir. It could be a contributing factor or a continues trigger.
[02:38:13] <pfred1> compete to be king of the mold?
[02:38:48] <pfred1> there can be only one!
[02:38:49] <Computer_Barf> lol
[02:38:49] <Connor> pfred1: And no.. I don't think I would do that.. I've had house fires as a Kid. I don't want to go through that again.
[02:38:49] <PetefromTn_> it's funny as I understand it.. everyone wants their houses to be nice and weather tight...
[02:38:49] <pfred1> Connor that's ehy you tell them to stop by when you're on vacation
[02:38:56] <PetefromTn_> but when your house is really weathertight you can get mold and other issues much easier
[02:39:06] <Connor> pfred1: No. not the fire itself.. the clean up and aftermath.
[02:39:59] <pfred1> I've thought about it and i know they check for accelerant so Ifigured just pack the crawlspace with crumpled newspapers
[02:40:11] <Connor> PetefromTn_: From my understanding. 2 design methods.. Open Crawl space.. and closed crawlspace.. Open is normally okay.. but, if you don't have enough ventilation under the house.. it can cause issues. When house was built.. no insulation.. no AC etc.. so it was good..
[02:40:33] <pfred1> they say now you're better off to leave yoru crawlspace vents closed
[02:40:34] <Connor> Closed Crawl space, if not done exactly right.. can create a perfect breading ground for mold...
[02:40:36] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta machine the other sides of these parts tonight so I can get them ready for delivery tomorrow.
[02:40:44] <PetefromTn_> I am sure...
[02:41:00] <PetefromTn_> our crawlspace is open with vents all around that have screens on them.
[02:41:13] <PetefromTn_> but you can still get mold in there if not careful...
[02:41:25] <pfred1> we have vents that open and close I just leave them closed
[02:41:30] <Connor> pfred1: Yes.. but.it has to be done correctly.. ANY moisture under the crawlspace in a closed crawlspace and POOF you have major issues
[02:41:42] <Computer_Barf> Connor: so i guess if this guy only has single ballnuts, i would need to purchase doubles
[02:41:51] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I will be clear headed enough to drive tomorrow...
[02:42:07] <Connor> Computer_Barf: You can get them from linear motion bearings guy.. which is where he's going to get them too most likely.
[02:42:08] <PetefromTn_> not been able to drive or hardly walk for almost a week now.
[02:42:30] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ what's the matter?
[02:42:31] <PetefromTn_> Connor Sorry your house has issues man....
[02:42:32] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yea, that sucks.. Timing couldn't be worse.
[02:43:19] <PetefromTn_> pfred1 did you not hear the conversation just now? I had a serious sick the last four days... it SUCKED BAD!!
[02:43:23] <Computer_Barf> when I did that kind of work , we often built big pvc framed plastic tarp enclosures
[02:43:33] <pfred1> PetefromTn_ like a cold?
[02:43:44] <Computer_Barf> basically make a box with an open side against the offending area of mold
[02:43:49] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Hopefully.. if The sun is shining and all the starts line up.. we'll be able to repair everything and have some money to do new kitchen cabinets and counter tops.. and maybe be able to expand my workshop.
[02:43:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah just read back a bit....
[02:44:02] <Connor> who knows.. a nice 10x22 lathe too.
[02:44:05] <PetefromTn_> that would be nice..
[02:44:17] <PetefromTn_> get that 12x36....
[02:44:22] <Connor> If it costs too much.. we might look at just getting it repaired and look for a new house.
[02:44:31] <Connor> PetefromTn_: If in the budget.
[02:44:37] <Computer_Barf> then we wore these really nice hepa face masks, professional hepa vacs, and filtering machines , tyvek suits , etc
[02:44:55] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[02:45:08] <Computer_Barf> basically cut out all the drywall, bag , vacuum , clean, bleach , sand , vac , wipe , bleach, repeat
[02:45:41] <pfred1> bleach rules
[02:45:53] <Computer_Barf> it was a super anal process, and was miserable conditions with those masks , heat, etc
[02:45:58] <pfred1> germcidal bleach
[02:46:15] <Connor> Computer_Barf: Yea.. thats interior repair.. what about stuff like floor joists etc ?
[02:46:19] <pfred1> well you miss a little bit and it just blooms again
[02:46:23] <Computer_Barf> there was always this conflict on standards on if you were supposed to use bleach or this other stuff
[02:46:42] <Connor> They're talking about going in and soda blasting..
[02:47:25] <Connor> May need to install a french drain behind the house...
[02:47:30] <Computer_Barf> we sanded 2x4's and such. Yeah , i didn't do it , but if it was bad enough they had something like sand blasting
[02:48:02] <Connor> I mean.. they're talking maybe having to replace floor joists.. that's scaring the crap out of me.
[02:48:07] <pfred1> I'm surprised they haven't developed some kind of an encapsulation proceedure
[02:48:39] <Connor> http://www.crawlspaceninja.com/image/76277748_scaled_256x192.jpg
[02:48:41] <Connor> like that ?
[02:48:47] <Connor> vs
http://www.crawlspaceninja.com/image/76277745_scaled_256x192.jpg
[02:49:34] <Computer_Barf> yeah thats the thing.. mold remediation used to not be as big a deal, but they talk about it today like its the next smoking. considering the mess katrina did to my lungs its probably true
[02:50:06] <pfred1> it is really noldy where i live
[02:50:10] <pfred1> moldy even
[02:50:15] <Computer_Barf> but yeah, i can understand how the way they treat it can be bothersome if the bill is landing on you.
[02:50:48] <Connor> I'm hoping insurance covers some of this...
[02:51:43] <Computer_Barf> does having someone inspect it create some permanent record of it existing?
[02:52:01] <Computer_Barf> I was just a worker so I didn't really learn that kind of thing
[02:52:08] <Connor> Not sure.. why?
[02:52:24] <Connor> If you sell, you have to disclose..
[02:52:31] <Connor> I'm sure.
[02:52:36] <Computer_Barf> lol yeah
[02:52:50] <Connor> like Lead paint.
[02:52:56] <Computer_Barf> but man i would be tempted to slap a coat of killz on it and ..
[02:53:20] <Connor> If it gets ANY air.. it would continue to grow.
[02:53:37] <Connor> any ways.. that's been MY week from hell.
[02:53:39] <Computer_Barf> i know they have inspectors that basically have machines that can test the load in the air
[02:54:03] <Connor> going to go find some food..
[02:54:09] <Computer_Barf> we had these huge dessicant machines that ran on propane
[02:54:46] <Computer_Barf> you could hook it up to the crawl space and feed super dry air into the space and suck it out with a fan
[02:55:08] <pfred1> it is always humid here
[02:55:43] <Computer_Barf> yeah no i mean as a temporary measure to minimize the spread and speed of damage.
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[04:03:25] <jdh> Connor: how do you set the preload on the nuts?
[04:04:27] <Connor> jdh: You would have to shim / grind the spacers..
[04:04:38] <Connor> but, like i said, they were already preset
[04:04:53] <Connor> switching to ipad
[04:04:55] <jdh> no springs/bellvilles in there?
[04:04:58] <Connor> brb
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[04:08:23] <Connor_iPad> So. No. Not springs or belleville washers.
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[04:09:15] <skunkworks> that is how the big boys do it...
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[04:09:46] <Connor_iPad> How?
[04:10:01] <jdh> I don't see how they work otherwise
[04:10:15] <jdh> unless the spacers are perfect
[04:10:35] <Connor_iPad> They're ground.
[04:10:50] <skunkworks> right - ballscrews are ground - the shims are just right.
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[04:14:01] <Connor_iPad> You can see that the spacer is only screwed to the front ball nut.
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[04:24:29] <skunkworks> we have some 2 inch ball screw/nuts here I should take a picture of..
[04:25:53] <Connor_iPad> Yes. You should. :)
[04:27:31] <XXCoder> .. that you made? heh
[04:28:16] <skunkworks> no. Out of random machines we have scrapped or robbed parts from.
[04:30:51] <skunkworks> not of the nut - but this is the size of the ball screws in the k&
[04:30:53] <skunkworks> t
[04:30:56] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/xaxis/ballscrew.JPG
[04:31:22] <skunkworks> 2tpi
[04:31:32] <skunkworks> *3tpi
[04:34:10] <XXCoder> large
[04:34:28] <XXCoder> its even larger than one I saw on car sized cnc router'
[04:35:28] <Connor_iPad> Dang. That's big.
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[04:41:43] <Valen> I'll take 7
[04:46:10] <zeeshan> ill take 2
[04:47:06] <skunkworks> y axis ball screw + right angle zero backlash gearset. (the pinion has an inner and outer gear and is adjusted to take the slack out.)
[04:47:08] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/Ygears.jpg
[04:47:13] <zeeshan> jdh it is confusing
[04:47:28] <zeeshan> but those ground spacers apparently set the preload :P
[04:47:32] <zeeshan> i still have yet to mount the new nuts
[04:47:44] <skunkworks> The z axis drive train is even more complicated..
[04:49:39] <Valen> using a spacer to set the preload on a ground ballscrew is common
[04:49:50] <Valen> I use belvilles because I use cheap screws ;->
[04:51:04] <zeeshan> i dont personally like the ground spacer stuff
[04:51:07] <zeeshan> its non adjustable
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[04:52:27] <skunkworks> if you keep it oiled - it should last for a very long time..
[04:52:48] <skunkworks> it is a bearing...
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[04:54:34] <Valen> its adjustable, you just put new spacers in ;->
[04:54:38] <Valen> but yea, scary lol
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[11:20:41] <kengu> what kind of CAMs you use for router work?
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[11:27:20] <jthornton> gedit
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[11:33:01] <TekniQue> kengu: I quite like cambam
[11:33:30] <kengu> gedit is a bit hard. learning curve is steep
[11:34:31] <jthornton> but once you know then you know
[11:35:39] <jthornton> it really depends on what your making
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[11:37:24] <jthornton> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/phpv2/02-Halftones/
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[11:45:25] <kengu> jthornton: i was about to set up a CAM station at local hackerspace to use with router. so gedit might not be the way to go
[11:45:57] <TekniQue> cambam is easy to use
[11:46:03] <jdh> cut2d
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[13:30:46] <ekacnet> hi all
[13:31:22] <ekacnet> what's the meaning of current-maxlim current-minlim and current-scalemax for a 8i20
[13:31:48] <ekacnet> I need to understand how the values should be set
[13:32:44] <ekacnet> I'm trying to avoid getting fried or frying my card
[13:45:02] <jdh> See the pdf documentation downloadable from Mesa for further details
[13:47:16] <ekacnet> where is the pdf ?
[13:47:29] <ekacnet> I must be stupid I haven't found the pdf
[13:47:47] <jdh> no clue.
[13:48:26] <jdh> I would have assumed the 8i20 pdf manual but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[13:51:15] <ekacnet> well there is a maxcurrent (not current-maxlim) and no current-minlim
[13:51:21] <ekacnet> nor current-scalemax
[13:52:17] <jdh> I think maxcurrent is really max current.
[13:52:31] <jdh> and these 3 are just for scaling
[13:53:50] <ekacnet> ok will wait until US wakes up
[13:55:28] <jdh> or .uk perhaps
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[14:27:12] <pcw_home> The 8i20 hal pin names changed in 2.6 (to match other sserial devices)
[14:29:13] <pcw_home> so on 2.6.x and > scalemax sets the scaling (up to the EEPROM set limit which is 7.5A if not changed)
[14:34:06] <ekacnet> pcw_home: I'm sorry still not clear
[14:34:50] <ekacnet> so if in 2.6.x I set current-minlim to 2A it and current-maxlim to 3A it means that the current will flucuate between 2A and 3A
[14:34:53] <ekacnet> correct ?
[14:35:59] <pcw_home> its instructive to look at the default values of those parameters
[14:36:12] <ekacnet> where to look ?
[14:36:30] <ekacnet> on the motor specification ?
[14:36:40] <pcw_home> halcmd show param
[14:37:26] <pcw_home> scalemax sets the scaling. minlim and maxlim set bounds
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[14:37:53] <ekacnet> scaling of which value ?
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[14:38:19] <ekacnet> the pdf on mesa website mention a NVMAXCURRENT that is 30A by default
[14:38:34] <ekacnet> is the scaling applying to this value ?
[14:39:53] <ekacnet> pcw_home: also I understand that it's not optimal but I have a motor but don't know much about it
[14:40:27] <pcw_home> EEPROM default is 7.5A
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[14:40:57] <pcw_home> scaling of the motor current
[14:41:18] <ekacnet> it's supposed to work at 220V and has ~3ohms as internal resistance
[14:42:15] <ekacnet> pcw_home: is there a formula somewhere like motor_current = ??? * current-scalemax + ???
[14:43:41] <pcw_home> if you dont change scalemax or the limits, motor current is in amps
[14:44:29] <ekacnet> and up to 7.5A (as set in the EEPROM) right ?
[14:44:41] <pcw_home> (up to 7.5 A max until you change the EEPROM setting = NVMAXCURRENT)
[14:46:42] <pcw_home> so if i changed scalemax (and the limits) to 100, 100,-100 now my scaling would be in % of 7.5A (100 = 7.5A)
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[14:54:52] <ekacnet> pcw_home so the formula seems to be
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[14:55:32] <ekacnet> motor_current = NVMAXCURRENT * (maxlim)/scale
[14:56:15] <ekacnet> motor_current = NVMAXCURRENT * (scale)/maxlim
[14:56:20] <pcw_home> no, maxlim is a limit not involved with scaling
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[14:57:25] <ekacnet> so which are the limits that you mentioned ?
[14:57:28] <pcw_home> minlimit and maxlimit are bounds, only scalemax sets scaling
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[15:31:15] <Jymm> 8TB HDD anyone?
[15:44:49] <jdh> I'll take 2, thanks.
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[15:48:11] <Jymm> Only $270 each
[15:48:34] <jdh> cool. thanks for the xmas presents!
[15:49:52] <Jymm> Lets go for the 20 pack...
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-20PK-ARCHIVE-128MB-3-5IN/dp/B00QPMRIFM
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[15:52:08] <Jymm> I"m still trying to figure out what the crypto version does differently
[15:56:18] <jdh> encrypts for data for your security and easy NSA decryption.
[15:56:59] <Jymm> It's the latter what I question. and reading the manual now
[15:57:39] <CaptHindsight> Jymm: crypto version of that hard drive?
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[15:58:00] <Jymm> CaptHindsight: Yes...
http://www.seagate.com/products/enterprise-servers-storage/nearline-storage/archive-hdd/#specs
[15:58:38] <CaptHindsight> I would expect any manufacturer to be pressured out of existence if they offered actual crypto
[15:59:11] <Jymm> Just the opposite,
http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/self-encrypting-drive-tech-tco-master-ti/
[15:59:37] <CaptHindsight> why I suspect it's the illusion of crypto
[15:59:59] <Jymm> shut up and let me read =)
[16:00:56] <jdh> you are just looking at the pics, aren't you.
[16:01:08] <CaptHindsight> I was on a N0-Drive-List last month. I thought I woke up and it was 1964 East Germany
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[16:06:31] <Jymm> jdh: If there were any, yes.
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[16:10:46] <Jymm> The crypto drives add an ASiC with RNG, uses AES-256 CBC, 32 byte keys, firmware update authentication, and to essencial wipe the drive you have to manually enter a key that is not electronically accessable
[16:11:39] <Jymm> I think the last part is slick.
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[16:12:48] <Jymm> In theory, no hacker can desotry your data electronically, and MUST have physical access to the drive.
[16:13:04] <Jymm> ...to do so.
[16:17:29] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: No-Drive-List???
[16:19:08] <CaptHindsight> yeah , canceled my license and ID for a few weeks
[16:19:31] <Jymm> canceled?
[16:19:39] <CaptHindsight> they started doing this about a month ago
[16:19:40] <Jymm> as in have to take tests all over agian?
[16:19:56] <mozmck> heh, what for? non-PC thoughts?
[16:20:39] <CaptHindsight> no info, just a contact number at the Secretary of State, had to prove I was me, and I didn't count
[16:22:02] <CaptHindsight> whole families are getting canceled at the same time
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[16:22:13] <CaptHindsight> it hasn't made the news yet
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[16:22:42] <CaptHindsight> I did find a couple website where people were starting to complain about their situation
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[16:23:13] <Jymm> Huh?
[16:23:15] <jdh> state doing this?
[16:23:17] <CaptHindsight> "shows us your papers"
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[16:23:41] <Jymm> What is the state doing?
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[16:23:53] <Jymm> or canceling that is for whle families
[16:23:59] <Jymm> whole*
[16:24:07] <jdh> licenses are .us state issued
[16:24:15] <Jymm> drivers licenses?
[16:24:33] <CaptHindsight> licenses and state ID's, yes, entire families
[16:24:47] <Jymm> How it that possible?
[16:24:51] <Jymm> and WHY?
[16:25:14] <CaptHindsight> no warning you just get a letter in the mail (and depending on how fast your mail is) you're canceled as of tomorrow
[16:25:22] <ekacnet> pcw_home: back to the current stuff, if I set current-maxlim to 10 and have the default NVMAXCURRENT to 7.5A
[16:25:26] <CaptHindsight> or in my case a week ago
[16:25:27] <jdh> what state?
[16:25:32] <CaptHindsight> IL
[16:25:45] <Jymm> CaptHindsight: and the resonaing behnd all this?
[16:25:47] <ekacnet> I will still have 7.5A at most not 10
[16:26:38] <CaptHindsight> Jymm: supposedly anything that they consider suspicious
[16:26:49] <Jymm> oh gwd
[16:26:53] <Jymm> oh gawd
[16:27:03] <CaptHindsight> stupped every lawyer I spoke with , the ACLU is investigating
[16:27:20] <CaptHindsight> stupped/stumped
[16:27:22] <mozmck> not supporting obama well enough.
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[16:27:50] <CaptHindsight> I went to HS with Michelle
[16:27:53] <Jymm> CaptHindsight: I like this one better...
http://www.newnownext.com/michigan-house-passed-bill-allowing-emts-to-refuse-treatment-to-gay-people/12/2014/?fb_ref=fbshare_web
[16:28:07] <CaptHindsight> was in my English class
[16:28:13] <malcom2073> I know they won't let you renew if you owe library fines, but I've never heard of outright revoking, that's interesting
[16:28:45] <CaptHindsight> yes, and now it's easier for an undocumented alien to get a DL and State ID here
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[16:29:34] <Jymm> CaptHindsight: So where are you REALLY from? huh? huh? huh? Venus? Mars? Pluto?
[16:29:35] <malcom2073> Jymm: That's halarious. I can't wait for employers to start saying "Sorry, we can't hire you because your religious beliefs prevent you from performing your job"
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[16:30:43] <Jymm> malcom2073: But if the employer doensn't know and all of a sudden someone in the field refuses...
[16:30:45] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: is obviously from IO
[16:30:57] <CaptHindsight> looks like Minn did this 2 years ago, 10K licenses were canceled
[16:31:07] <malcom2073> Jymm: True, then they get fired, then someone sues for religious discrimination, teh whole system falls down and chaos reigns
[16:31:38] <Rab> CaptHindsight, which state are you in?
[16:31:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1397967/?start=200 here's a family of 3 it happened to
[16:32:00] <CaptHindsight> IL
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[16:32:03] <Jymm> malcom2073: What I don't get is the sheer indifference to refuse life saving treatment...
[16:32:04] <roycroft> michigan is an odd state
[16:32:19] <malcom2073> Jymm: That website made up that example fwiw
[16:32:26] <malcom2073> Shock news titles
[16:32:38] <Jymm> malcom2073: Sure, but still.
[16:33:06] <roycroft> the driver's license issue has to do with homeland security regulations
[16:33:08] <Jymm> malcom2073: An EMT could very well justify non-treatment due to infectious disease
[16:33:41] <roycroft> the feds require the states to perform additional verification steps in order to issue a federally recognized driver's license
[16:33:43] <malcom2073> Jymm: I'm ignoring the EMT example purely because that was shady on the part of the website.
[16:33:59] <roycroft> in oregon we handled it by issuing two types of licenses
[16:34:06] <Jymm> malcom2073: fair enough.
[16:34:14] <roycroft> if you show all the proof of citizenship stuff you get the enhanced license
[16:34:29] <roycroft> if not you get a regular license, which is not valid for crossing the canadian border or boarding planes
[16:34:39] <CaptHindsight> if you're US drivers license is no valid then you can't drive in most countries, so they take away your ability to drive just about anywhere on the planet
[16:34:47] <malcom2073> I'm more concerned with the *other* laws that will have to be passed to support that, such as legal religious discrimination in education and jobs
[16:34:48] <CaptHindsight> you're/your
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[16:36:28] <CaptHindsight> I don't expect to see a revolution or even a big push back in my lifetime. Uhmericans just don't see to care.
[16:36:58] <malcom2073> True true
[16:37:13] <roycroft> a bill such as passed the michigan house will be held unconstitutional if it's signed into law
[16:37:37] <roycroft> it's not a matter of if, it's how long it will take
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[16:40:20] <CaptHindsight> do you have to show ID to ride the Greyhound bus, I know Amtrack requires ID
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[16:41:37] <malcom2073> Not sure, never ridden a bus beofre
[16:41:37] <CaptHindsight> thinking about it now, somebody without a passport can't drive, fly, amtrak and possible not even take a bus between cities
[16:41:39] <malcom2073> rode*
[16:42:09] <CaptHindsight> welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave
[16:42:41] <CaptHindsight> "sorry I was on friendface and didn't hear you"
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[16:53:17] <jdh> are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?
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[16:54:40] <CaptHindsight> who doesn't like a party?
[16:54:53] <Jymm> Is that like GGW party?
[16:55:17] <malcom2073> Sorta, but the boobs belong to the government, as do you
[16:55:46] <Jymm> Ah, gotcha
[16:57:27] <malcom2073> Lesson: Be the government
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[16:58:27] * Jymm would rather Be One with the boob
[16:58:59] <Jymm> Or in the case of MArtian hookers.... Be Three with the boob
[16:59:41] <malcom2073> Have you ever seen the gauge cluster of a Honda Element?
[16:59:53] <Jymm> Nuh uh
[17:01:05] <malcom2073> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pqW7uSK6qhU/hqdefault.jpg
[17:01:44] <Jymm> Madonna Inspired I see
[17:02:06] <malcom2073> Heh, three of 'em, count them... three!
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[17:02:26] <Jymm> lol
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[17:02:36] <CaptHindsight> I guess the steering wheel prevents any eye pokes
[17:02:49] <malcom2073> I didn't notice it for the first few years, until a buddy of mine hopped in and yelled Hey, it's like total recall!
[17:03:00] <CaptHindsight> Total Recall inspired
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[17:31:19] <anonimasu> pcw_home: are you online?
[17:31:48] <anonimasu> pcw_home: I am stuck tryimg to spin my motors
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[17:35:29] <Jymm> pcw_home: Hey, did you get a Alert msg on your phone frm the NWS?
[17:35:58] <pcw_home> Getting BLDC to spin motors the first time is often a bit interesting
[17:36:10] <pcw_home> I dont have a phone
[17:36:27] <Jymm> pcw_home: you dont have a cellphone?
[17:36:40] <pcw_home> Nope
[17:37:05] <Jymm> pcw_home: landline?
[17:37:39] <pcw_home> Yes
[17:37:47] <Jymm> ah
[17:38:42] <pcw_home> my wife has a cell, sometimes a get a throwaway if I'm on a trip
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[17:45:16] <jdh> http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/33/53/73/7257835/3/920x920.jpg
[17:46:07] <Rab> Is that in SF?
[17:47:07] <jdh> berkeley I think
[17:47:21] <anonimasu> very stuck :s
[17:47:35] <anonimasu> I have the abs stuff working, but I dont know what to do from here
[17:47:47] <anonimasu> pole count says 8 in the docs i could find
[17:47:51] <anonimasu> but motor just jumps like crazy
[17:48:00] <anonimasu> magnetic homing sometimes works..
[17:49:10] <pcw_home> getting the encoder scale right is the first thing (this includes the sign)
[17:49:53] <anonimasu> it's 4096 counts
[17:49:55] <anonimasu> rev
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[17:50:04] <pcw_home> you can get the number of motor poles by energizing one winding with a limited current
[17:50:30] <anonimasu> 0.2A?
[17:50:32] <pcw_home> poles is detents *2
[17:50:39] <pcw_home> maybe 1 A
[17:57:03] <anonimasu> any halrun script to do just that=?
[17:58:42] <pcw_home> I'd just use a battery :-)
[18:00:53] <anonimasu> and just ground all the other phases?
[18:01:05] <anonimasu> or just gnd the gnd and power one phase
[18:02:28] <pcw_home> makes no difference, connect a D cell to any 2 of the three phase wires
[18:02:37] <pcw_home> (watch out for the inductive kickback when you disconnect)
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[18:15:46] <anonimasu> pcw_home: so 8 poles
[18:16:27] <anonimasu> how do i determinate the count direction?(I have 4096 per turn)
[18:16:38] <anonimasu> 1024 sin/cos periods
[18:16:44] <anonimasu> trial and error?
[18:18:48] <pcw_home> so scale is 4096 (or -4096)
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[18:29:27] <anonimasu> pcw_home got it working, but I have one problem magnetic homing on a bench motor doesnt work
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[18:32:45] <pcw_home> magnetic homing on the 8I20 may need bldc.N.drive-offset set
[18:37:38] <pcw_home> (to 90 degrees)
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[19:23:27] <anonimasu> pcw_home: if I use the abs encoder block
[19:28:39] <CaptHindsight> I just had a supplier ask me to send them all my credit card info over email!!
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[19:31:19] <CaptHindsight> maybe we should just out that up on the website, save time and trouble :)
[19:31:28] <CaptHindsight> out/put
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[19:39:23] <skunkworks> link?
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[20:08:32] <Loetmichel> *HA, on the tinker-PC it works... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15430 <- maybe i overdid it with 3 PCs running Elite stuff ;-)
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[20:09:01] <Loetmichel> (had a bit of crash problems on my main system)
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[20:20:46] <zeeshan|2> http://http://earth.nullschool.net
[20:20:48] <zeeshan|2> http://earth.nullschool.net
[20:20:50] <zeeshan|2> very cool :D
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[20:33:57] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: are those convection charts as seen from the mothership?
[20:34:08] <zeeshan|2> wind movement :P
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[20:35:45] <CaptHindsight> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-173.29,45.83,755
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[20:36:00] <zeeshan|2> yea i wouldnt wanna be on a boat there
[20:36:01] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:36:44] <CaptHindsight> I think that was Andy's path a couple of years ago
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[20:41:06] <CaptHindsight> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-351.98,66.67,2048 whats with all these lows so far north this late in the year?
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[21:00:12] <anonimasu> pcw_home:what do I do with the absolute encoder values?
[21:00:20] * anonimasu cant solve this :S
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[21:02:59] <Deejay> re
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[21:08:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drum-Poly-18-5-In-20-Gal-G5443593-/271582529490 #105 seems high for only a 20Gal poly open head drum
[21:08:22] <CaptHindsight> $105ea
[21:09:37] <anonimasu> pcw_home: cant i just stick the rotor angle into the 8i20?
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[21:12:06] <PCW> Sure if you have absolute numbers
[21:12:55] <anonimasu> I do have
[21:13:13] <PCW> I though you just had a incremental (quadrature) and the initial offset
[21:13:33] <anonimasu> mhm, I have initial absolute number(and motor angle)
[21:15:30] <PCW> There's probably a way to just scale and poke your original offset into BLDC encoder offset
[21:15:42] <anonimasu> got any idea whatsoever how?
[21:15:58] <PCW> No
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[21:17:28] <anonimasu> what I get out from my userspace comp is "count" that sits on the first rev
[21:17:34] <PCW> loosk like you scale your initial angle into encoder counts and poke it (or maybe the additive inverse) into encoder offset
[21:17:34] <anonimasu> err for a full rev..
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[21:17:58] <anonimasu> pcw_home: that is what I dont quite get how it would look like :S
[21:18:08] <PCW> setp?
[21:18:48] <anonimasu> not that part
[21:19:17] <PCW> if its needs scaling or additive inverse you need something like the scale component
[21:19:34] <anonimasu> 4096-Initial_Encoder_Counts
[21:19:50] <anonimasu> mhm--
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[21:21:04] <anonimasu> the initial encoder counts is where electrical zero is supposed to be
[21:21:44] <PCW> (you may also need an offset or at least rotate the U/V/W for that to be true)
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[21:26:01] <PCW> (offset 120 or 270 _electrical_ degrees = 341,643)
[21:27:05] <PCW> notice I said rotate (swapping will reverse phase rotation)
[21:28:02] <anonimasu> thanks!
[21:28:04] <anonimasu> I think I've got it
[21:28:49] <anonimasu> just -initial_counts+offset :) into bldc
[21:28:53] <anonimasu> bedtime!
[21:29:04] <anonimasu> (still at work)
[21:29:25] <PCW> 'Nite
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