#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-09

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[00:00:16] <zeeshan> well if we can make bots that are 1mm max in diameter
[00:00:19] <zeeshan> and have cutting abilities.
[00:00:44] <zeeshan> you can easily cut off growths benign growths
[00:00:56] <zeeshan> without having to cut the person up from the outside
[00:01:02] <zeeshan> and possibly destroy things in the process
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[00:06:31] <zeeshan> http://www.zmescience.com/research/photograph-nanobots-cancer-25032010/
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[00:32:47] <Rab> zeeshan, beep
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[01:07:34] <XXCoder> http://www.lab-initio.com/screen_res/nz241.jpg
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[01:07:41] <XXCoder> abonominable snowboy
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[02:28:38] <zeeshan> hi rab
[02:29:15] <Rab> zeeshan, big haul today.
[02:29:21] <zeeshan> pics!
[02:29:32] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/KsahbBd.jpg
[02:30:02] <zeeshan> LOL
[02:30:08] <zeeshan> did you take apart a factory?!?!
[02:30:10] <Rab> I know a guy who owns an e-waste place...he told me they were shutting down and clearing out the warehouse, and to come take whatever I wanted.
[02:30:26] <Rab> So I started with the linear motion assemblies. :D
[02:30:52] <zeeshan> you have like 2000lb of aluminum there
[02:31:06] <Rab> Yeah, lots of stainless steel too. The car tires were bellied out.
[02:31:17] <zeeshan> sweet man
[02:31:23] <zeeshan> are there linear acutators there
[02:31:24] <zeeshan> pneumatic?
[02:31:29] <zeeshan> i see a crap load of pneumatic lines
[02:31:41] <zeeshan> if you dont need those valves
[02:31:45] <zeeshan> you should ebay em. they're $$$
[02:32:07] <zeeshan> nice haul dude
[02:32:09] <Rab> I think they're the business ends of old tape libraries. Lots of name-brand linear slides, NSK/IKO/etc, beefy steppers and servers, name-brand ballscrews.
[02:32:09] <zeeshan> im jealous :)
[02:32:29] <Rab> Timing belts and cogs of various sizes.
[02:32:40] <zeeshan> servos you mean?
[02:33:29] <Rab> This sort of thing, I guess they're called gears: http://www.motionco.co.uk/images/mxl_pulleys/mxl_pulley1.jpg
[02:33:47] <Rab> High-speed servos for the tape spindles.
[02:33:50] <zeeshan> those look like mxl pulleys
[02:34:02] <zeeshan> nice man
[02:34:05] <Rab> Right, some look like MXL and some are much larger pitch.
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[02:35:32] <Rab> Not a lot of travel, I think the longest slides are 12" travel or so. But I have enough hardware to put together a whole battery of brutal small-scale routers. ^_^
[02:35:35] <zeeshan> cant wait to see when youve got it all unloaded
[02:35:35] <zeeshan> :)
[02:36:31] <Rab> It's packed so deep you can't see much. My place is a wreck. Pulling the goodies off some of the assemblies just to scrap the bulk and save some space.
[02:37:09] <zeeshan> well im sure you can make it take less space
[02:37:18] <zeeshan> if you disassembled all those plates that you know you dont need as is
[02:37:41] <Rab> Ironically I've been trolling eBay hard lately for parts for a small (12x12x5) router...today is my lucky day.
[02:37:43] <zeeshan> in that pic you posted
[02:37:45] <zeeshan> at the very back
[02:37:49] <zeeshan> there is a round cylinder.. shiney
[02:37:52] <zeeshan> top left of the pic
[02:37:54] <zeeshan> what is that?
[02:38:04] <Rab> Yeah, definately not scrapping the Al and SS.
[02:38:58] <Rab> That's a servo, the silver part is the encoder cover and the white nose is a shaft cover.
[02:39:15] <zeeshan> :D
[02:39:26] <zeeshan> how many stepper / servos do you think you have?
[02:39:42] <Rab> The motors and servers all have complementary driver electronics, too.
[02:39:55] <Rab> Guessing 10 or more?
[02:40:35] <zeeshan> nice
[02:46:45] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/CKAgTz7.jpg
[02:46:49] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/Xf9Km5C.jpg
[02:46:51] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/Kkb8Hx8.jpg
[02:46:55] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/22pp93H.jpg
[02:47:20] <Rab> Stupid phone rotates pictures to the least optimal orientation.
[02:48:02] <zeeshan> so nice!
[02:48:28] <Rab> Never heard of 5-phase steppers before (2nd pic)...good thing the control electronics came with it.
[02:49:12] <Tecan> Rab you should really downsize those before uploading
[02:49:22] <Rab> 3rd pic is an assembly I stripped down. Slide/ballscrew, 3A servo, servo pack, on like 3/4" aluminum.
[02:49:47] <Tecan> nm my internets just slow
[02:49:48] <Rab> Tecan, I did. I chose the 1600x1200 size in an attempt to preserve nameplate information.
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[02:59:15] <jdh> 5-phase steppers require pricey drivers. 500 steps/rev though
[02:59:59] <skunkworks> the ones we have are set to 1000 - must be half stepping :)
[03:01:42] <Rab> Yeah, 0.72 degree. And the ballscrews are 5 tpi. I guess I'll need to worry about speed more than resolution.
[03:02:54] <Rab> .0004" linear resolution.
[03:03:02] <Tecan> http://acidcow.com/pics/66285-how-to-dispose-of-a-f-117-bomber-5-pics.html
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[03:14:54] <unfy> drool
[03:15:22] <unfy> (the drool was for rab, not the f117)
[03:17:08] <XXCoder> wanna date rab ;)
[03:17:11] <FinboySlick> I find the F117 thing sad.
[03:17:38] <XXCoder> fin not much you can when its very details build is top secret. You have to destroy it.
[03:18:05] <Rab> XXCoder, you only want me for my e-waste.
[03:18:23] <XXCoder> lol nah I was asking unfy
[03:18:50] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: But if you sell it to dictators instead, you get an excuse to bomb them because you can demonstrably prove that they have offensive capabilities!
[03:18:55] <unfy> yeah, that's why it's paint's been stripped and the tarp is down etc
[03:19:10] <unfy> (dad was 20-some year navy...)
[03:19:26] <XXCoder> sadly I have parts of cnc router but still havent built it bah
[03:19:47] <Rab> That F117 disassembly looks kinda staged. I wonder what the story is. Maybe it's intended to be visible to Russian spy satellites.
[03:20:49] <unfy> xxcoder: i've got the electronics (sans wire) ... need to plan and buy the physical stuffs soon
[03:20:52] <Rab> Looks like a contractor facility rather than an aircraft boneyard.
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[03:22:48] <XXCoder> im considering waiting till I have enough to buy 8020 stuff
[03:22:52] <XXCoder> easier to build.
[03:29:15] <jepler> www.cbc.ca/news/world/chlorine-gas-sickens-19-at-furries-convention-1.2863783
[03:29:31] <XXCoder> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/0/2/347302_v1.jpg
[03:31:25] <XXCoder> jepler: yeah it sucks people would do that. I'm no furry but all hate crimes suck
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[03:55:15] <renesis> connor: rab: 07:23:56 < Rab> Looks like a contractor facility rather than an aircraft boneyard.
[03:55:20] <renesis> er
[03:55:23] <renesis> no
[03:55:39] <renesis> connor: rab: https://vid.me/peH4
[03:55:44] <renesis> what the parts were for
[03:56:36] <renesis> i had to give it little deflectors because it kept launching the good batteries at my nuts
[03:57:23] <XXCoder> battery and nuts
[03:57:45] <XXCoder> whats it for
[03:58:11] <renesis> class project, sort batteries depending on voltage
[03:58:18] <XXCoder> nice
[03:58:23] <renesis> design came from when their was a hopper requirement
[03:58:24] <XXCoder> I'd ghave loved that project
[03:58:27] <renesis> they killed that because wtf
[03:58:38] <renesis> its a 3 unit course, one semester
[03:58:50] <XXCoder> im sure im missing priors
[03:59:02] <renesis> naw i dont think there is prereq for this
[03:59:04] <renesis> its intro
[03:59:20] <renesis> itz hazing via ladder logic
[03:59:25] <renesis> *its
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[04:00:07] <XXCoder> lol ok
[04:01:40] <FinboySlick> My intro to automation was on Siemens, we had to code an elevator... and it though we did upload the code to the device, the result was simulation only.
[04:02:21] <XXCoder> class I was in I used actual small elevator. we had contests on fastest possible. had to use two boards and figure how to communcate
[04:02:27] <FinboySlick> Access to pneumatics would have been great.
[04:02:33] <XXCoder> mine and team mamber's was second fastest
[04:03:51] <FinboySlick> There were seveal large GE robots in the hall, but they didn't let us program those 'till a few semesters later.
[04:04:28] <renesis> haha
[04:04:32] <renesis> @ little elevators
[04:05:30] <renesis> the siemens software is prob better
[04:05:36] <FinboySlick> We also had to learn Catia V4 on ultrasparc.
[04:05:48] <renesis> took awhile to figure out what was ladder logic frustration and what was software ui frustration
[04:05:55] <renesis> heh
[04:06:11] <renesis> these mechanical guys are like, YOU JUST HAVE TO SEE IT LIKE A CIRCUIT
[04:06:42] <renesis> and i kept going, guys i could make this shit with relays and caps and resistors, it works as an electronics circuit
[04:12:00] <unfy> the video: it's the "useless machine" >_>
[04:13:37] <FinboySlick> Speaking of useless machines: http://youtu.be/XTAULdznHug Found that one amusing.
[04:13:55] <FinboySlick> I think it's even funnier in Canada.
[04:14:10] <renesis> unfy: yesh i could test with a dmm faster
[04:14:29] <XXCoder> its not useless
[04:14:34] <XXCoder> its eye candy :P
[04:14:43] <unfy> heheheh
[04:15:08] <XXCoder> seriously lol
[04:15:19] <unfy> everyone knows this one: http://i.minus.com/ibrep0calJZaJQ.gif .... but what about the living version: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6aae3QXCH1qfjjglo1_500.gif
[04:16:06] <unfy> there's no description about what the battery thing is doing...
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[04:16:14] <FinboySlick> I love the cat's *lightning-jab*
[04:16:29] <unfy> but as a tester :D
[04:16:37] <FinboySlick> I hear a Bruce Lee sound in my mind every loop.
[04:16:45] <FinboySlick> Woohtah!
[04:17:49] <XXCoder> FinboySlick: gonn love how cat licks claws like wounded that fake cat
[04:18:28] <unfy> awww shux
[04:18:33] <FinboySlick> I'm very curious how my cat would react to that.
[04:18:39] <unfy> i zoomed the gif to show someone later. it's faked ._.
[04:18:52] <unfy> (the lid floats around)
[04:20:21] <unfy> it looks like it was a real product and there are more gifs etc of it
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[04:43:11] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEobxyRZMPY Is it me or does this machine sound terribly clunky?
[04:43:27] <FinboySlick> It should be running smoother, no?
[04:44:12] <toastydeath> yeah that's pretty janky
[04:44:17] <FinboySlick> Sounds like rattling bearings.
[04:44:42] <toastydeath> Z sounds good
[04:44:45] <toastydeath> spindle sounds good
[04:45:08] <toastydeath> table sounds like someone took a shit made entirely of iron dust in the ball nut
[04:46:31] <CaptHindsight> yup
[04:46:46] <CaptHindsight> ugly
[04:48:48] <CaptHindsight> that price is way way too high for that machine in that state
[04:49:06] <CaptHindsight> Price: $19500 thats insane
[04:49:12] <toastydeath> lol
[04:49:15] <toastydeath> that's amazing
[04:49:34] <CaptHindsight> it's too high at 9500
[04:49:34] <FinboySlick> Might be the circuit that says "fourth axis" every time the 4th axis moves.
[04:49:44] <FinboySlick> That can't be free.
[04:50:30] <CaptHindsight> Mohawk usually has better prices
[04:51:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx2SUW7xJu4 it should sound like this one
[04:53:48] <CaptHindsight> only used on Sundays by a little old lady to cut butter
[04:54:03] <toastydeath> muuuuch better screws
[04:54:11] <toastydeath> trunnion table
[04:54:13] <toastydeath> hell yeah
[04:54:25] <FinboySlick> 230 volts? Two phase?
[04:56:05] <CaptHindsight> nope
[04:56:08] <FinboySlick> I'd expect something this size to be 550 three-phase.
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[04:57:09] <CaptHindsight> 480/240 3p
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[05:00:04] <FinboySlick> Well, all I need now is to win the lottery.
[05:00:20] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Did you see that little motor I linked this weekend?
[05:01:49] <CaptHindsight> nope
[05:02:15] <FinboySlick> http://liquidpiston.com/technology/how-it-works/ It's like an inverted wankel.
[05:08:30] <CaptHindsight> combustion every cycle
[05:10:32] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see the power curve vs rpm
[05:11:48] <FinboySlick> Not sure on that but they apparently have good power density on practical tests. The theorical performance is impressive but it's good that they actually have working prototypes.
[05:11:53] <CaptHindsight> probably needs to paired with a CVT
[05:13:06] <FinboySlick> First application I can think of is generator right at the crest of its efficiency curve.
[05:14:14] <CaptHindsight> http://liquidpiston.com/technology/x-mini-gasoline/ on the dyno
[05:16:31] <FinboySlick> Hehe, the 3HP is tiny. I guess I could make one on my mill.
[05:18:36] <FinboySlick> Though to get one actually running, I guess one would need EDM.
[05:18:55] <FinboySlick> Anyway, I thought it was cool.
[05:19:14] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: thats strange
[05:19:24] <XXCoder> it has no gasket from what I see
[05:19:32] <XXCoder> so it [probably wont suffer wankel issues
[05:20:02] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: wiper seals are on the casing rather than the 'piston'.
[05:20:30] <XXCoder> ah I see it
[05:20:55] <FinboySlick> But according to them, that solves the 'wankel' problem.
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[08:05:14] <Deejay> moin
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[08:42:25] <SpeedEvil> So it's a roots blower with more fire
[08:46:00] <Jymm> O_o
[08:46:49] <Jymm> Is that like with more marshmellows?
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[12:29:14] <Loetmichel> soo, the new battery for the dell M4400 works... and i finally installed the driver for the internal webcam... not SOOO bead for a six year old notebook: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15422
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[15:11:48] <_methods> weeeee
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[15:19:44] <_methods> http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/12/08/4144142.htm
[15:30:17] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[15:31:46] <SpeedEvil> Damn, I hate shit articles like that without actual links.
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[15:38:45] <SpeedEvil> to a first approximation, you may care less about efficiency
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[22:45:38] <Nick001-shop> You may as well have another - Nothing going on here
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[23:00:35] <andypugh> Top Tip! The right coal in your blacksmiths’s forge makes all the diffference.
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[23:02:06] <pfred1> you want the soft stuff right?
[23:02:39] <pfred1> I think the pros actually use gas today
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[23:03:58] <pfred1> my ancestors come from anthrecite coal country I believe shich is the really hard stuff
[23:04:12] <pfred1> I have a couple chunks of it
[23:04:14] <andypugh> What you need is _small_ stuff.
[23:04:25] <pfred1> the chunks I have are kind of big
[23:04:53] <pfred1> there's coal coke too
[23:04:55] <andypugh> The size they call “beans” because that’s aout the size (runner beans, not haricot)
[23:05:22] <pfred1> that was the game changer when they figured out how to make coke out of coal
[23:05:54] <pfred1> before that they used charcoal
[23:07:37] <andypugh> The stuf at the front is the old big stuff, but if you look around the fires that’s the stuff I bought from the coal merchant as “blacksmith coal”. There is also a smaller “farrier coal”
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[23:08:36] <pfred1> I've heard you want ot use the soft coal bitsmuth?
[23:08:43] <pfred1> bitsmith?
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[23:09:19] <andypugh> I _think_ that coal is easier to light than coke, then once the fire is going the stuff round the fire slowly cokes, and automatically gets dragged in when you cover-over putting the work in.
[23:09:29] <pfred1> but for real I've heard you want to use gas coal is romantic and all but gas is cleaner, quicker, and more reliable too
[23:11:06] <andypugh> I read all sorts of stuff on the internet from the US of folk improvising and making do. I can just go to the local blackssmiths supplier. http://www.glendaleforge.co.uk/Glendale_Forge/Home.html
[23:11:14] <pfred1> I was reading an article the other day about a coal toqn going under
[23:11:28] <pfred1> coal town even
[23:11:48] <pfred1> we have like 1,000 years worth of coal here but ti is policitally incorrect to use it anymore
[23:13:42] <pfred1> I can just go back home and get a train load of coal
[23:14:10] <andypugh> I wouldn’t have been able to get the train to the forge :-)
[23:14:15] <pfred1> it is the wrong kind for blakcsmithing though
[23:14:44] <pfred1> I have chunks of coal in my garden as decorations
[23:16:28] <malcom2073> I give chunks of coal as christmas presents
[23:16:29] <pfred1> hey this is where my family is from Pottsville! http://readinganthracite.com/
[23:16:48] <pfred1> well really Minerville but pottsville is like next door
[23:16:50] <malcom2073> I'm about an hour and a half from pottsville
[23:17:06] <pfred1> go to Minersville and I'm like related to everyone ther
[23:17:12] <malcom2073> lol
[23:17:16] <pfred1> it is funny
[23:17:45] <pfred1> me great uncle died of black lung at 55 in the mines
[23:17:57] <pfred1> my grandfather was smart enough to move away though
[23:18:44] <andypugh> Miners are a funny breed, forever complaing what a horrible job it is, then complaning that their son’s won’t be able to follow them into the job when the pits get closed down.
[23:19:04] <pfred1> oh it is nasty
[23:19:18] <pfred1> they didn't do it in pats back in the day
[23:19:22] <pfred1> pits
[23:19:29] <pfred1> you went dow nthe shaft
[23:19:44] <andypugh> It’s a generic term over here
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[23:20:02] <andypugh> The winding engine for the shaft was at the pithead.
[23:20:21] <pfred1> coal built our modern world and now we turn out backs on it
[23:20:49] <andypugh> “big pit” is not open cast: http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/bigpit/
[23:20:50] <pfred1> I don't get it myself we really haven't found a practical replacement for it yet
[23:21:08] <andypugh> Oil will never run out, but coal will.
[23:21:14] <pfred1> oil is OK I guess but we don't have nearly as much oil as coal
[23:21:21] <pfred1> hmmm
[23:21:28] <pfred1> I always thought it was the other way around
[23:21:37] <andypugh> (this is true technically, but not in a useful way)
[23:21:57] <pfred1> gas prices are tanking here its nice
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[23:22:09] <pfred1> I'm hoping to see 99 cents a gallon again
[23:22:18] <andypugh> The conditions for making coal no-longer exist as there is too much oxygen in the atmoshpere now. But oil is still being made very, very, slowly.
[23:24:06] <pfred1> I read once that on Memorial Day weekend the USA burns more gasoline by volume than water goes over Niagra Falls
[23:24:11] <malcom2073> I hope gas prices go back up, my job relies on opec not screwing over small oil companies heh
[23:24:19] <andypugh> Today I have mainly been failing to make headlights: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VRvBkKyegpKiidiRLFXXm9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:24:57] <pfred1> but that was quite a few years ago that I read it and people drove around a lot more back then
[23:25:35] <pfred1> you're spin lathing?
[23:25:51] <andypugh> Well, I know it as “metal spinning"
[23:26:05] <pfred1> I've heard about it
[23:26:16] <pfred1> looks like you're getting close
[23:26:20] <andypugh> It’s fun
[23:26:25] <pfred1> I bet
[23:26:43] <andypugh> Very hands-on and “crafty"
[23:26:57] <pfred1> I'm sure there is a lot of technique to it
[23:27:15] <pfred1> technique that yields greater results
[23:27:41] <pfred1> like once you figure it out you'll be like this is easy
[23:28:00] <pfred1> I don't know why I had so much trouble at the outset
[23:28:07] <andypugh> This guy has some good videos: http://youtu.be/IkFdJwW_0GI
[23:28:38] <pfred1> I'm sure there are a couple of methods that when you follow them things go best
[23:29:30] <pfred1> what are you making headlight buckets for?
[23:30:24] <pfred1> in WW! the Allies couldn't figure out how the Germans managed to make their steel helmets
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[23:30:55] <pfred1> they pressed them but still it was techniques they used that allowed them to control the thickness to a greater depth than the Allies could achieve
[23:30:56] <andypugh> pfred1: For my Ner-a-Car
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[23:32:14] <pfred1> ah for a motorcycle
[23:32:44] <pfred1> isn't that just a crazy contraption?
[23:32:54] <andypugh> Yes.
[23:33:51] <pfred1> heh no, ah, I don't think so! http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/neracar_blackburne.jpg
[23:34:04] <pfred1> I'd sooner walk than ride that
[23:34:18] <pfred1> that is menacing looking
[23:34:55] <pfred1> what the heck is that open box on the side, in the back?
[23:35:22] <andypugh> No idea, it’s non-standard
[23:35:45] <pfred1> looks like the guy ripped it off the wall and said hey, a fuse box!
[23:36:07] <pfred1> I could use one of those
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[23:37:00] <pfred1> yours doesn't look quite this mashed up does it?
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[23:37:19] <andypugh> It looked a lot worse when i got it.
[23:37:40] <pfred1> I don't doubt you
[23:38:40] <pfred1> these look like what someone would make if they had a blind person describe what a motorcycle looks like to them
[23:40:47] <pfred1> once i painted a car for my old across the street neighbor
[23:41:17] <pfred1> but he'd alreayd preciously painted it with a brush by hand so I said, Waldo, I'll paint your car for you but you have to strip this other paint you put on it off first
[23:41:37] <pfred1> so he did like a half ass job stripping the paint off and he comes back
[23:41:43] <pfred1> so I paint over it
[23:42:05] <pfred1> and I got a good finish but you could see all of the half stripped off paint underneith
[23:42:22] <pfred1> well anyways a while later Waldo comes back and we're talking about that car
[23:42:35] <pfred1> he tells me when it took it to his blind friend he loved the paintjob
[23:43:02] <pfred1> was one of the strangest compliments I've ever gotten
[23:43:09] <andypugh> He liked the texture?
[23:43:12] <pfred1> yeah
[23:43:32] <pfred1> because there were like these blotches of the hand paint under it but I sprayed over the whole thing
[23:43:52] <pfred1> I got a good finish too cept it wasn't a smooth surface
[23:44:06] <pfred1> I wasn't going to sand the car for the guy
[23:44:09] <pfred1> gun it OK
[23:44:25] <pfred1> I couldn't afford to keep on telling him no at that point either
[23:45:00] <pfred1> waldo was OK but he was an odd bird
[23:45:12] <pfred1> he was Fidel Castro's personal doctor
[23:45:28] <pfred1> well before the revolution
[23:45:31] <andypugh> Really? There’s a claim to fame
[23:45:36] <pfred1> yeah really
[23:45:53] <pfred1> when the revolution broke out waldo got out of CUba
[23:46:02] <pfred1> but he spent his life rescuing other people
[23:46:10] <pfred1> he built 5 airplanes
[23:46:29] <pfred1> he'd give them to other people rescuing people out of CUba
[23:47:13] <pfred1> yeah waldo was a one of a kind
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[23:47:29] <pfred1> with the bondo and da fiberdaglass
[23:48:20] <andypugh> He seems to have made a good job of doctoring Fidel, the guy seems immortal :-)
[23:49:02] <pfred1> poor waldo he's probably dead today
[23:49:19] <pfred1> the last i heard he was in a home in florida and his kids had already spent his money for him
[23:49:32] <pfred1> they didn't even wait until he died
[23:50:45] <pfred1> I don't think waldo was famous himself though
[23:50:53] <pfred1> waldo ruiz
[23:51:15] <pfred1> but he was right ther with fidel
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[23:55:09] <andypugh> Well, anyway, time to see if I can sleep with the pulse-clock test making a bang every 30 seconds. (I wonder if it bothers the neighbours?)
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