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[00:03:52] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acmP28tVst0 Sprayed In Place Pipe - Large Diameter Lining
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[00:07:39] <cathode> whats the advantage of dual drive over single drive?
[00:08:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.costa-industrial.com/attachments/Image/IMG_0245.JPG here's an application for field cnc
[00:08:57] <CaptHindsight> mill in place for large pipe flanges
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[00:11:36] <CaptHindsight> http://portableflangefacing.com/field-machining_files/seven-foot-bevel.jpg
[00:17:45] <cathode> that looks heavy
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[00:54:06] <cathode> well i organized a bunch of cap screws last night. :)
[00:54:09] <cathode> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2h9k5eoj16tcw2/2014-11-23%2011.56.39.jpg?dl=0
[00:54:20] <cathode> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a822l6y8hppeyvk/2014-11-23%2011.58.10.jpg?dl=0
[00:54:33] <jdh> would you like to come over and organize mine?
[00:55:17] <cathode> only if i get to keep them
[00:55:27] <cathode> :P
[00:55:54] <cathode> i need to hit up junk stores and stuff and find more unopened boxes of fasteners
[00:56:00] <cathode> they're expensive to buy new
[00:56:22] <jdh> I try to just buy boxes of 100 of anything I ever need.
[00:56:36] <roycroft> that's what i do
[00:56:45] <roycroft> well, for large fasteners i'll sometimes get 25 or 50
[00:56:47] <cathode> same. i've been ordering stuff from mcmaster for the project i've got going right now, typically its boxes or bags of 25, 50, or 100
[00:56:50] <jdh> 100 usually costs the same as 10-15
[00:57:02] <cathode> yep
[00:57:22] <roycroft> it's nice to need a fastener for a project and be able to just go out to the shop and get it instead of making a hardware store run
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[00:57:43] <roycroft> the time saved totally justifies the inventory investment
[00:57:51] <roycroft> plus, as jdh said, it's a lot cheaper in bulk
[00:57:51] <cathode> i needed four 1/2"-13 nylock nuts for this project. home depot had them for $1.18/ea, i bought a bag of 25 from mcmaster for like $6.50
[00:58:08] <jdh> sure. I probably have 15 different kinds of 10-32s though
[00:59:00] <_methods> yeah hardware is a nightmare
[00:59:02] <cathode> i really wish that torx / torx-plus was more common and affordable
[00:59:05] <roycroft> it's funny - my garage shop has lots of stationary machinery, power tools, hand tools, materials, etc.
[00:59:07] <_methods> expensive nightmare
[00:59:17] <roycroft> but whenever someone comes over they're immediately drawn to my "wall of fasteners"
[00:59:57] <cathode> after i'm done with my current project i'm going to do more work on organizing my shop and that will likely include building a drawer unit to hold fasteners and other small parts
[00:59:58] <_methods> i ran across a small engine repair shop going out of business and scored a ton of hardware for almost nothing
[01:00:02] <cathode> wow nice
[01:00:04] <_methods> 55gal drum of shcs
[01:00:09] <roycroft> i built a wooden cabinet to store my toolboxes in the back of the garage, and above it i have a bunch of those plastic parts drawers srewed to the wall
[01:00:18] <pfred1> I got some hardware but if I'm making something I usually have to buy a box of screws, or soemthing
[01:00:56] <cathode> do you guys ever put oil or anything on expensive hardware to keep it from rusting if it's stored long term?
[01:01:02] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/TwoKeggles/img_0801.jpeg
[01:01:15] <roycroft> you can see the wall of fasteners off to the left in that pic
[01:01:30] <roycroft> i use weigh oil or tool oil on things
[01:01:31] <cathode> nice
[01:01:38] <cathode> and you're using ladder hooks to hold lumber i see
[01:01:42] <cathode> from the ceiling
[01:01:42] <_methods> holy shiny kegs
[01:01:50] <_methods> how long did it take to polish those lol
[01:01:55] <roycroft> holy shitloads of hours on each keg
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[01:02:04] <roycroft> i probably have 12 hours into each one of them
[01:02:07] <roycroft> and there are three altogether
[01:02:13] <cathode> heh
[01:02:21] <_methods> sweet jeebus
[01:02:27] <_methods> they look great
[01:02:31] <roycroft> thanks
[01:02:56] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/TemporaryBrewStand/DSC_6153.jpeg
[01:02:58] <_methods> damn that's sexy
[01:02:59] <roycroft> that
[01:03:05] <roycroft> is pretty much the whole brew system
[01:03:14] <roycroft> i don't have the boil kettle plumbing installed yet in that picture
[01:03:20] <_methods> awesome
[01:03:23] <roycroft> but you can see my groovy control panel
[01:03:44] <roycroft> i'm working on the real brew stand this weekend
[01:03:51] <pfred1> I live 5 minutes down the road from one of the best craft brewers in the country so I leave the brewing to them
[01:03:54] <roycroft> well, i'm working on the design
[01:04:00] <roycroft> i hope to start fabricating it next weekend
[01:04:21] <roycroft> i have a half dozen batches on the new system so far, and i'm ready to build a stand for it out of steel
[01:04:22] <pfred1> I had some of their burton baton on my birthday man it was ever so good
[01:04:45] <roycroft> i won't say i'm one of the best in the country, but i can make a decent batch of beer
[01:04:51] <pfred1> some of the best ale I've ever had in my life that is
[01:04:55] <roycroft> i'm not wanting for beer drinking friends :)
[01:05:00] <_methods> that control panel is nuts
[01:05:09] <_methods> you write the manual yet lol
[01:05:11] <roycroft> it took me months to design and build that
[01:05:12] <roycroft> no
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[01:05:16] <roycroft> and that's just the prototype
[01:05:24] <roycroft> i'm going to redo the front panel out of solid brass
[01:05:32] <_methods> awesome
[01:05:36] <pfred1> roycroft I've been into craft beers for a lont longer than it has been a fad
[01:05:52] <roycroft> and instead of those drop-in pids i'm going to use arduinos as pid controllers, with nixie tube displays
[01:06:01] <roycroft> and a pi to interface with the arduinos
[01:06:04] <pfred1> I was a beer nerd in the 70s
[01:06:06] <_methods> nice
[01:06:09] <roycroft> phred1: i've been brewing since 1980
[01:06:10] <bnmorgan> any of y'all into hotrods?
[01:06:17] <_methods> steampunk brew controller
[01:06:19] <roycroft> so i go back as far as you do
[01:06:24] <roycroft> exactly, _methods
[01:06:32] <roycroft> the current one is early 20th century industrial
[01:06:38] <pfred1> roycroft I've drank beer from abbys that have been brewing for over 1,000 years
[01:06:42] <roycroft> but it's going to be more steampunk by the time i'm done
[01:06:52] <roycroft> although nixie tubes didn't come about until the early '50s
[01:07:00] <jdh> not often you see an "I'm more of an old fart thanyou are"
[01:07:13] <pfred1> roycroft like established in 970AD
[01:07:22] <_methods> heh i'm purv'n all your pics
[01:07:30] <_methods> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/Test/IMG_0847.jpeg
[01:07:36] <_methods> that one is awesome
[01:08:06] <pfred1> roycroft now dogfish up the road hasn't been at it for that long but they've figured out a few things
[01:08:48] <roycroft> jdh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
[01:08:58] <roycroft> sam is kind of a knob
[01:09:12] <_methods> sweet jesus how much did all those fittings cost you?
[01:09:18] <_methods> those are all sanitary fittings?
[01:09:20] <roycroft> thousands of dollars
[01:09:22] <roycroft> yes, they are
[01:09:28] <_methods> jesus
[01:09:44] <_methods> that's freakin nutz
[01:09:50] <_methods> i tip my hat to you sir
[01:10:25] <roycroft> i've been dreaming about this brew system for years
[01:10:36] <roycroft> and i came into a bunch of cash the first of this year
[01:10:44] <roycroft> so i decided to spend a chunk of it on the brew system
[01:10:45] <pfred1> that's not nuts, this is nuts http://beerlovescompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/image37.jpg
[01:10:51] <roycroft> probably my only opportunity to do so
[01:11:02] <pfred1> a 20,000 gallon tank made out of palo santo wood
[01:11:33] <jdh> some personal brew guy has a 20k gallon tank?
[01:11:47] <pfred1> nah this is dogfish head
[01:12:12] <roycroft> about 10% of the beers sam puts out are really good
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[01:12:20] <roycroft> the rest are pedestrian at best
[01:12:28] <roycroft> but the good ones are really good and really innovative
[01:12:34] <pfred1> roycroft well they're all better here
[01:12:53] <pfred1> I've had it out of state and it ain't as good
[01:12:55] <roycroft> mayhap
[01:13:18] <roycroft> i'm not feeling inspired to head back east to find out
[01:13:18] <pfred1> you'd think with the aocohol content he's brewing his stuff would ship
[01:13:22] <PetefromTn_> I have built several neat brew stands for local brew club guys...
[01:13:41] <PetefromTn_> one was all stainless
[01:13:42] <_methods> those stainless kegs or alum ones?
[01:13:43] <pfred1> well by a happy coincidence I live 5 minutes down the road from the brewery
[01:13:44] <roycroft> we appreciate quality brewing sculptures
[01:13:47] <roycroft> they are ss
[01:13:56] <_methods> are those hard to find now?
[01:14:01] <roycroft> no, not at all
[01:14:03] <_methods> kk
[01:14:14] <roycroft> you can buy them brand new for $150 shipped to anywhere in the country
[01:14:18] <pfred1> so I might as well take advantage right?
[01:14:34] <_methods> man that's straight up fitting porn
[01:14:43] <roycroft> different strokes for different folks is my motto
[01:14:59] <roycroft> if sam's beer gives you a woodie drink it all day long
[01:15:05] <roycroft> i won't think any less of you
[01:15:11] <pfred1> the burton baton is nice
[01:15:22] <roycroft> i went with all 1" fittings
[01:15:29] <pfred1> the palo santo used to be since the keg aged meh
[01:15:29] <roycroft> they're actually cheaper than mixing and matching smaller sizes
[01:15:45] <_methods> man it's freakin awesome
[01:15:52] <_methods> you doing a build log anywhere?
[01:15:58] <pfred1> I have a thing for wood aged beer
[01:16:00] <roycroft> and if i ever want to scale that system up the plumbing should be able to handle at 1bbl system at least
[01:16:33] <roycroft> and the control panel can scale up as well, but not quite as easily
[01:16:41] <roycroft> it's 240vac/50a right now
[01:16:50] <_methods> for all the heaters?
[01:16:50] <pfred1> roycroft I was up at the brewery the day they first cracked open their black and blue
[01:16:54] <roycroft> to scale up to a larger system i'd need more power for the heaters
[01:17:18] <_methods> or go flame
[01:17:19] <pfred1> roycroft they were so excited they sent girls over with pitchers of the stuff for the tour to sample
[01:17:33] <roycroft> but my current batch size is 38L, and that's pretty nice
[01:17:33] <pfred1> I had to put my hand over my glass because i had to drive home
[01:17:39] <roycroft> i don't anticipate needing to go with anything bigger
[01:17:59] <pfred1> they don't get folks so loaded on the tour anymore though
[01:18:06] <roycroft> double my old batch size
[01:18:07] <_methods> you bottle your batches or keg?
[01:18:09] <roycroft> keg
[01:18:12] <_methods> nice
[01:18:14] <roycroft> almost exclusively
[01:18:15] <LeelooMinai> DO you think there are any cheaply available items that would be very flat and could be used to make a bottom of a mold for exposy granite cast?
[01:18:17] <roycroft> special beers are bottled
[01:18:30] <roycroft> melamine?
[01:18:31] <_methods> yeah melamine sheets
[01:18:32] <jdh> glass
[01:18:39] <roycroft> glass is expensive
[01:18:44] <LeelooMinai> I thought about glass, but I am not sure it's that flat
[01:18:48] <roycroft> glass is very flat
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[01:18:52] <pfred1> glass is very flat
[01:18:56] <pfred1> jynx!
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[01:19:17] <roycroft> about as flat as you'll get for cheap materials
[01:19:19] <LeelooMinai> Are you sure?
[01:19:21] <_methods> melamine is flat enough
[01:19:23] <_methods> for a cast
[01:19:29] <_methods> and cheap
[01:19:40] <pfred1> once we bought a 5 foot tall piece of quarter inch thick plate and the way it bent when we moved it had me somewhat concerned
[01:19:44] <_methods> and solid enough to work with
[01:20:14] <pfred1> that piece of glass weighed 147 pounds
[01:20:15] <_methods> most people use 3/4" melamine for their forms
[01:20:18] <LeelooMinai> Right, I saw people who make countertops from concrete using melamine on youtube
[01:20:23] <roycroft> melamine is also hard to stick stuff to
[01:20:32] <roycroft> which makes it perfect for the work you're doing
[01:20:49] <LeelooMinai> THough I thought melamine is just thin layer on top of chipboard or something like that, no?
[01:20:53] <roycroft> yes
[01:20:59] <pfred1> my Z axis is made out of melamine
[01:21:06] <LeelooMinai> ...
[01:21:11] <roycroft> and you can get the melamine sheet laminated to mdf, which will be very flat
[01:21:33] <pfred1> it is the axis that has given me the least bit of trouble
[01:21:47] <LeelooMinai> pfred1: You made z-axis of wood? :)
[01:21:51] <pfred1> thing worked right right off and has always worked right too
[01:22:05] <pfred1> LeelooMinai yeah sure why not?
[01:22:10] <roycroft> my new brew stand is going to be made of mild steel
[01:22:17] <roycroft> but the kettl is direct fired
[01:22:28] <LeelooMinai> pfred1: I don't know - because moisture etc.? :)
[01:22:37] <roycroft> so i got some 2" square ss tubing to hold the kettle and its burner
[01:22:41] <pfred1> LeelooMinai didn't you hear it is melanine coated?
[01:22:43] <_methods> roycroft: you're not going with ss stand?
[01:22:49] <roycroft> i rounded up some old ceramic insulators today
[01:22:50] <_methods> polished
[01:22:52] <_methods> hehe
[01:22:55] <roycroft> no, _methods
[01:23:00] <_methods> damn
[01:23:01] <roycroft> painted or poweder coated mild steel
[01:23:14] <roycroft> so my plan is to "float" the burner assembly on top of the ceramic insulators
[01:23:22] <_methods> they make some crazy powder coats
[01:23:25] <roycroft> the brew system is a work in progress
[01:23:27] <_methods> i think you can get chrome powder coat
[01:23:38] <roycroft> i can see myself remodeling the stand over time
[01:23:46] <_methods> would go with the polished kegs
[01:23:50] <roycroft> it's a lot cheaper and easier to do that with mild steel
[01:24:03] <_methods> yeah stainless is 'spensive
[01:24:19] <roycroft> and a pain in the butt to machine/cut/grind/weld
[01:24:24] <_methods> indeed
[01:25:27] <pfred1> what is the trouble welding stainless?
[01:25:42] <roycroft> if i could find a high temp clear coat i would like to build the stand out of mild steel, clean up the welds really nicely, apply some brass decorations to etc corners, etc., and shoot the clear coat over it
[01:25:45] <roycroft> that would look really nice
[01:25:48] <_methods> you need special wire or a tig rig
[01:25:52] <roycroft> welding is the easiest of those operations
[01:25:57] <pfred1> oh I have a TIG welder
[01:26:09] <roycroft> i'm not very adept at welding ss though
[01:26:19] <pfred1> I donno it never gives me any problems
[01:26:30] <roycroft> and even if you use gas on both sides of the weld you usually get some oxidation and have to reapassivate it after welding
[01:26:33] <pfred1> cept the rod is expensive
[01:26:44] <roycroft> well i guess i'm not as good as you
[01:26:58] <pfred1> aluminum I think is a bitch to weld
[01:27:00] <roycroft> must be all that good beer from the east coast that makes you a better welder
[01:27:47] <roycroft> fortunately i have a guy who is an amazing welder
[01:27:51] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0767.jpeg
[01:27:54] <roycroft> he did my kettles
[01:28:16] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0768.jpeg
[01:28:20] <pfred1> TIG welding is easy if you have a TIG welder
[01:28:25] <roycroft> that's a better pic of an outside weld
[01:28:34] <roycroft> i have a gtaw welder
[01:28:56] <pfred1> parting with 2 grand for a welder sometimes ain't easy though
[01:29:03] <_methods> wow
[01:29:04] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0773.jpeg
[01:29:06] <_methods> that dude ca weld
[01:29:12] <roycroft> that's one of his welds on the inside
[01:29:17] <roycroft> yes, he's an incredible welder
[01:29:19] <_methods> that's crazy
[01:29:21] <_methods> yeah
[01:29:30] <roycroft> it's not hard for me to justify paying him to do all my ss welding
[01:29:48] <roycroft> i think i paid about $500 for all the welding on the three kettles
[01:29:53] <roycroft> including the tri-clover flanges
[01:29:56] <pfred1> that ain't bad
[01:30:05] <roycroft> no, it was a lot of welding
[01:30:24] <_methods> those beads are great
[01:30:24] <roycroft> http://zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0771.jpeg
[01:30:36] <roycroft> and some of them were like that - with flanges both inside and outside
[01:30:39] <pfred1> I've seen guys charge $150 for spitting a nut onto a threaded rod
[01:31:36] <_methods> yeah man that dude is good those welds would be a bitch going from those thick fittings to thin keg wall
[01:31:38] <roycroft> btw, polishing the kegs is not just for the bling factor, although i really like them being all shiny like that
[01:31:51] <roycroft> a polished keg has about 1/1000 the surface area of a rough keg
[01:32:00] <roycroft> and thus is much less thermally conductive
[01:32:11] <_methods> no shit
[01:32:36] <roycroft> when you're trying to hold a significant temperature differential between ambient and the contents that makes a difference
[01:32:41] <_methods> i had no idea it was that big of a conductor having a stamped surface
[01:32:54] <_methods> or do they roll the kegs?
[01:33:04] <roycroft> i think they roll them
[01:33:05] <_methods> i always assumed they stamped them out
[01:33:06] <roycroft> but i'm not sure
[01:33:09] <_methods> me either
[01:33:15] <roycroft> they are made in three pieces
[01:33:34] <_methods> what'd you cut the tops out with?
[01:33:37] <_methods> grinder?
[01:33:43] <roycroft> an angle grinder and a jig i made up
[01:34:06] <_methods> nice heheh
[01:34:13] <roycroft> then i used some flap sanders to smooth out the cuts
[01:34:14] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, thx, but i think the lo tech wrap & goop is for me , also the other were cool http://www.meridianequipment.com/ODM.html
[01:34:35] <roycroft> the kegs were legally obtained, btw
[01:34:43] <roycroft> and they were almost brand new
[01:34:55] <roycroft> if they had been well used i might have doubled the time spent polishing them up
[01:35:29] <_methods> well i just drink beer but i can appreciate the crafting process and the equipment involved
[01:35:42] <_methods> and that is one spiffy set up
[01:35:49] <roycroft> thanks
[01:35:57] <pfred1> I just drink beer myself I leave it to the exerts to brew the stuff
[01:35:59] <roycroft> it's not necessary to have such a nice system to brew great beer
[01:36:01] <pfred1> experts even
[01:36:05] <roycroft> but i'm getting old
[01:36:13] <toastydeath> i can't find anything relating to surface finish affecting solid->fluid heat transfer
[01:36:22] <roycroft> my primary goals were: 1. no lifting heavy stuff, and 2. no plumbing changes on brew day
[01:36:26] <toastydeath> only solid-solid, which is well known
[01:36:34] <roycroft> i've won awards for my beer with my old system
[01:36:51] <roycroft> but it required lifting hot, full kettles of liquid
[01:36:58] <roycroft> and i'm not going to do that any more
[01:37:16] <roycroft> i also don't want to be climbing up ladders while brewing
[01:37:37] <pfred1> I don't want to climb ladders for any reason
[01:37:43] <roycroft> so i made a single tier system, even though it takes up more floor space (something that is very precious)
[01:38:02] <roycroft> it's on wheels so i can move it around when i need space
[01:38:44] <roycroft> anyway, it's time to make dinner and get to the brew stand design
[01:38:55] <pfred1> I need more shop space
[01:38:55] <_methods> right on make sure you take pics hehe
[01:38:58] <roycroft> i need those insulators before i could get very far, but now i have them and they're measured up
[01:39:08] <roycroft> i'm going to take a lot of pictures when the new stand is done
[01:39:12] <roycroft> and organize things better
[01:39:20] <pfred1> another 10 feet and I'd be much better off
[01:39:32] <_methods> tht's what she said
[01:39:33] <roycroft> we all need more shop space
[01:39:46] <pfred1> when i moved in the garage looked so big
[01:39:57] <pfred1> it don't look big anymore!
[01:40:01] <roycroft> i have a welding/grinding shop
[01:40:05] <roycroft> which is too small
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[01:40:17] <roycroft> i'm really glad that stuff is all done in a separate building though
[01:40:24] <pfred1> pfft i have a little corner for my welders and i don't evne go over there
[01:41:02] <roycroft> the main shop has my metalworking machinery, woodworking machinery, brew system, benches, laundry, mechanics tools, fasteners, and some material storage
[01:41:10] <roycroft> and it's just a garage
[01:41:14] <roycroft> single car
[01:41:19] <pfred1> that's all I got just a garage
[01:41:31] <roycroft> i don't mind welding in the main shop
[01:41:32] <pfred1> kind of a car and a half it is 20x20
[01:41:34] <roycroft> but i hate grinding in it
[01:42:02] <cathode> i just have my basement for shop space
[01:42:06] <roycroft> but the welding gear is in the other shop, and my 7x12 bandsaw is there as well
[01:42:07] <cathode> it's about 14x16
[01:42:15] <pfred1> last time I was grinding I setup a bag to catch some of the dust
[01:42:21] <pfred1> it worked pretty good
[01:43:14] <pfred1> once I hit a monitor with grinding fly off
[01:43:25] <pfred1> you know monitors have a plastic coating on the screen?
[01:43:35] <pfred1> I found that out when imelted holes in it
[01:43:54] <_methods> hehe
[01:44:01] <pfred1> I'm talking about the old tube jobbies
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[01:44:10] <pfred1> it was a nice one though
[01:44:41] <pfred1> it either melted holes in it ot little bits of grit stuck int othe palstic
[01:44:54] <pfred1> you could pick them off but the plastic came with them
[01:45:10] <pfred1> it sucked
[01:45:24] <cathode> it's probably a coating bonded to the glass that would keep shards of glass contained if the screen broke?
[01:45:27] <pfred1> since then I've been careful to grind away from stuff
[01:45:51] <cathode> cause old school CRT monitors had a phosphor coating on the inside, but nothing on the outside
[01:46:19] <cathode> unless it was a touchscreen monitor, then it would have had a plastic conductive film on the exterior
[01:46:21] <pfred1> another ting I found out recently is those grinding discs work a lot better if I hit them with a carbarundum stick
[01:46:30] <pfred1> I mean it is amazing
[01:46:48] <pfred1> you know a grading stick for a grinding wheel?
[01:50:27] <tjtr33> carborundum dressing stick, Q&D wheel dressing http://www.carborundumindustrial.com/detailimg.aspx?id=164028
[01:51:06] <tjtr33> opens up the pores ( kinda)
[01:51:20] <pfred1> I think some fo the grit sticks to the wheels
[01:51:40] <pfred1> but yeah it does clear them of metal too
[01:52:00] <pfred1> sometimes I'll be grinding and pushing and all I'm doing is heating the work up
[01:52:29] <pfred1> a while back I switched to a 7/9 grinder I still use a 4.5 sometimes
[01:52:49] <pfred1> but 4.5s are nothing compared to a 7/9
[01:53:19] <tjtr33> after using the stick, lightly run a metal bar over the surface, with a of of white paper behind the wheel, you can tell when the wheel is clean of the grit
[01:53:41] <tjtr33> we used to use the 6" scale in out pockets, and replaced them often :)
[01:53:55] <tjtr33> our
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[01:59:34] <PetefromTn_> Damn little debbie for making those Christmas Wreath Cookies!!
[02:00:24] <_methods> hehe
[02:00:30] <_methods> it's the cosmic brownies that get me lol
[02:00:36] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[02:00:48] <PetefromTn_> My kids love those damn christmas tree brownies..
[02:00:57] <PetefromTn_> I gotta buy a couple boxes a week
[02:01:23] <PetefromTn_> but after tasting the wreaths I am afraid I am doomed to empty the local grocery store of them...
[02:02:20] <_methods> hahahah
[02:02:43] <_methods> i might have to try out these wreathes
[02:02:58] <PetefromTn_> We cleaned up the house today and broke out the Christmas decorations....IT HAS BEGUN!!
[02:03:28] <_methods> ah we do it after thanksgiving
[02:03:56] <Valen> my rule is 1st of dec for xmas decorations
[02:04:55] <_methods> heheh i don't get to make rules i just have to follow them
[02:05:07] <PetefromTn_> well I used to be like that
[02:05:13] <PetefromTn_> then I realized
[02:05:19] <PetefromTn_> first I love Christmas
[02:05:32] <PetefromTn_> second it is a LOT of work to get it all put up
[02:05:43] <PetefromTn_> so why not do it earlier so you can enjoy it longer
[02:05:48] <PetefromTn_> plus the kids love it
[02:05:57] <PetefromTn_> so why the heck not right...
[02:06:00] <cathode> i abhor christmas. my roommates and i just leave halloween decorations up
[02:06:13] <PetefromTn_> I pity you heh
[02:06:20] <_methods> i like thanksgiving
[02:06:25] <_methods> no worries about gifts
[02:06:29] <_methods> just eat till you pass out
[02:06:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah we just went shopping for the big feast this week
[02:06:58] <PetefromTn_> I always try to convince my wife to make something OTHER than a turkey
[02:07:03] <pfred1> I don't decorate or go in for holidays much
[02:07:05] <PetefromTn_> but I always lose that arguement
[02:07:13] <pfred1> I say put the holiday back into holiday!
[02:07:17] <_methods> i did a prime rib one year
[02:07:22] <PetefromTn_> but occasionally I get to choose a side dish
[02:07:25] <_methods> then everyone wanted me to go back to turkey
[02:07:29] <pfred1> screw doing extra work
[02:07:35] <PetefromTn_> Damn Prime rib is awesome..
[02:07:48] <_methods> hell yeah
[02:08:12] <_methods> the boss dropped off a big green egg at my house a couple weeks ago so this year i'm cookin the turkey in that
[02:08:15] <PetefromTn_> I have done a big ham and sometimes a big seafood feast for christmas but I cannot talk the wife out of the big bird for turkey day.
[02:08:23] <PetefromTn_> Oh those are nice
[02:08:30] <PetefromTn_> I have been considering one
[02:08:40] <PetefromTn_> are you going to smoke it in there?
[02:08:49] <renesis> what do you mean green egg like a weber meatball grill?
[02:09:01] <PetefromTn_> no a big green egg grill
[02:09:05] <PetefromTn_> google is your friend
[02:09:09] <_methods> it's a big green egg lol they been around since the 70's
[02:09:18] <PetefromTn_> they have?
[02:09:22] <_methods> yeah
[02:09:24] <renesis> why google when i can ask you and get awesome responses like that
[02:09:25] <PetefromTn_> I thought it was just a couple years
[02:09:25] <_methods> i think '68
[02:09:39] <_methods> they got the patent in '68
[02:09:44] <PetefromTn_> it is a ceramic insulated round green grill that kicks ass.
[02:09:55] <PetefromTn_> they are kinda expensive tho
[02:10:01] <_methods> yeah i never wanted to spend the money on one cause i thought it might suck
[02:10:01] <PetefromTn_> and the cooking area is not that big
[02:10:02] <renesis> how ceramic
[02:10:06] <PetefromTn_> but they work amazing
[02:10:06] <_methods> but it's freakin awesome
[02:10:10] <renesis> like just porcelain glazed?
[02:10:21] <_methods> even plain old pork chops are freakin awesome
[02:10:24] <_methods> meat loaf
[02:10:28] <_methods> whatever
[02:10:36] <renesis> so its a modded weber meatball?
[02:10:36] <PetefromTn_> I used to cook on a big round weber kettle grill
[02:10:51] <_methods> wife and daughter make me cooke a chicken every week now lol
[02:10:52] <renesis> why is big green egg better
[02:10:55] <PetefromTn_> and we decided to get rid of it to buy a bigass stainless gas grill
[02:11:00] <renesis> oh
[02:11:07] <renesis> i dont agree with that
[02:11:10] <PetefromTn_> now my wife hates the damn thing and wants the weber back LOL
[02:11:15] <tjtr33> high temps, you can really make pizza in 'em, like 700deg +
[02:11:20] <_methods> yeah
[02:11:22] <renesis> yeah those things get kinda ghetto after a year or too
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[02:11:30] <renesis> its juts a stove, kinda
[02:11:36] <_methods> man i put it on 250 to do a roast
[02:11:36] <PetefromTn_> The biggest problem is it is TOO big
[02:11:38] <renesis> outside stove
[02:11:40] <_methods> and it set there all day long
[02:11:42] <_methods> 8 hours
[02:11:49] <_methods> right on 250
[02:11:58] <renesis> petefromtn_: yeah! i like how you can just drag the webers around
[02:12:00] <PetefromTn_> it takes forever for it to really get hot even with all the burners on high
[02:12:13] <renesis> not a big deal to take to someone place in a car
[02:12:21] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna clean it up a bit and sell it and get either another weber kettle or an egg
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[02:12:32] <_methods> man the egg is worth it
[02:12:34] <_methods> i think
[02:12:40] <PetefromTn_> Weber actually makes a copy of the egg I saw at HD
[02:12:43] <_methods> if i had bought it i would be happy
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[02:12:54] <_methods> but even better i got it as a gift lol
[02:13:06] <PetefromTn_> They are like $750.00 just for the basic one.
[02:13:15] <renesis> WAT
[02:13:15] <_methods> yeah i got the large one
[02:13:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is an awesome gift
[02:13:24] <_methods> hell yeah
[02:13:28] <_methods> i came home for lunch
[02:13:32] <_methods> and look out in my back yard
[02:13:36] <_methods> i was like wtf????
[02:13:45] <_methods> how did that get there
[02:13:49] <_methods> it's a reverse robbery
[02:13:59] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/Weber-741001-Silver-One-Touch-2-Inch/dp/B00004RALU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416795222&sr=8-2&keywords=weber+grill
[02:14:06] <renesis> i guess this is still the best value in bbq
[02:14:09] <renesis> wtf $750
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[02:14:17] <PetefromTn_> http://www.montanaeggfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/David-1-No-Background.jpg
[02:14:50] <_methods> hell i had a plain old weber i only use charcoal and used that thing for years
[02:15:03] <_methods> i had a gas grill for a few years but it rotted to pieces
[02:15:12] <_methods> paid like $300 for it too
[02:15:17] <renesis> the hardware always goes bad on those
[02:15:20] <_methods> yeah
[02:15:27] <_methods> so i was like damn i'll just stick with a weber
[02:15:30] <renesis> and brushed stainless looks shit when its not new
[02:15:37] <_methods> F all that money on a grill that will just rot out
[02:15:44] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoyed the weber we had it forever
[02:15:50] <renesis> http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/biggreenegg.com.html
[02:15:53] <PetefromTn_> you can even smoke in them pretty good
[02:15:59] <renesis> petefromtn_: ^ google did not help
[02:16:03] <jdh> http://www.wilmingtongrill.com/
[02:16:04] <_methods> yeah man it smokes great
[02:16:07] <jdh> those look good and hold up
[02:16:12] <jdh> but, it's still just a gas grill
[02:16:32] <renesis> thats looks like restaurant shit
[02:18:02] <renesis> i would maybe buy that
[02:18:04] <_methods> http://www.grillery.com/customers.html
[02:18:08] <_methods> those are pimp grills
[02:18:29] <renesis> those are prob $2000
[02:18:35] <tjtr33> look at komodos ( whatthe big green egg copied )
[02:18:39] <PetefromTn_> I saw a guy build something cool recently... http://makezine.com/2010/07/26/little-blue-egg-flower-pot-grill/
[02:19:05] <renesis> ha neat
[02:19:26] <_methods> the kamados are cheaper too
[02:19:30] <_methods> and the same thing
[02:20:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vision-Grills-Kamado-Pro-Ceramic-Charcoal-Grill-S-4C1D1/202926563
[02:20:27] <_methods> it's basically just a kiln
[02:20:36] <_methods> not like anyone is copying anyone
[02:20:53] <_methods> they been around for as long as pottery lol
[02:21:41] <PetefromTn_> there's a video in that home depot link for the grill
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[02:23:42] <tjtr33> wow prices have really changed, the real japanese models were wicked expensive http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2014-New-21inch-black-Japanese-ceramic_1592103305.html
[02:24:25] <tjtr33> almost enuf to melt alum
[02:24:49] <_methods> hehhe what's shippin on that lol
[02:24:50] <renesis> so theyre deeper thanweber grills?
[02:24:53] <_methods> shit ways a ton
[02:25:01] <_methods> weighs even lol
[02:25:26] <renesis> oh the ceramic looks much thicker on that one
[02:25:26] <PetefromTn_> not really
[02:25:47] <renesis> so heat is less direct and more stable
[02:25:48] <PetefromTn_> they are lined with thick ceramic so there is not as much interior room as it looks from the outisde
[02:25:50] <renesis> shrug
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[02:26:13] <PetefromTn_> they basically keep all the heat inside so they are much more efficient
[02:26:27] <renesis> i dont think it is worth 7-10x the cost
[02:26:31] <PetefromTn_> those flower pot DIY ones actually use a heating element to make it a smoker
[02:26:38] <PetefromTn_> for what
[02:27:06] <renesis> one of those vs a weber grill
[02:27:39] <PetefromTn_> dunno
[02:27:49] <PetefromTn_> webers are not exactly cheap tho
[02:27:50] <renesis> everything posted except jdh's link looks like itll rust out and turn ghetto in two years max
[02:27:55] <PetefromTn_> at least the big ones
[02:28:19] <renesis> all the hardware and thin steel and casters and valve mechanisms
[02:28:26] <tjtr33> ceramic dont rust ( kamado )
[02:28:28] <renesis> the meatballs?
[02:28:47] <renesis> i think the most expensive one is like ~$200
[02:29:08] <renesis> i dont like the weber stainless gas stuff, its prob a bit better than normal but all that shit looks ghettoexcept when brand new
[02:29:30] <renesis> tjtr33: thats why i like the webers theyre porcelain coated
[02:29:45] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[02:29:45] <renesis> so like, as long as you dont smash the shit completely it wont rust
[02:30:08] <renesis> and even the little webers are okay for 2-3 people
[02:30:11] <PetefromTn_> it was better too when they moved from the wood handles to the plastic looking ones dunno the materials
[02:30:12] <renesis> i think those are like $50
[02:30:36] <PetefromTn_> I had the largest kettle and it cooked awesome...
[02:30:41] <renesis> yeah the rivets would rust and the wood would dry out
[02:30:45] <PetefromTn_> got real hot and stayed that way pretty good
[02:31:02] <renesis> but if you clean up old ones, usually the kettle and top are okay
[02:31:05] <PetefromTn_> like I said I bought this nice big gas grill for my wife because she wanted one
[02:31:08] <renesis> the vent rusts
[02:31:14] <renesis> and the tray if ashes left in it
[02:31:20] <PetefromTn_> and she now wants the Weber back hehe
[02:31:29] <renesis> theyre super easy
[02:31:33] <PetefromTn_> you can buy replacement everything for them at HD
[02:31:50] <renesis> and you can use them without all the parts except the legs
[02:31:55] <PetefromTn_> it's the mustang GT of the grilling world LOL
[02:32:02] <renesis> the grills and top and kettle usually last
[02:32:10] <renesis> i dont like mustangs!
[02:32:12] <tjtr33> weber is good design. used to pick up 2nds in Palatine IL at plant
[02:32:13] <renesis> but yeah kinda
[02:32:22] <PetefromTn_> hell you don't like anything
[02:32:34] <PetefromTn_> :P
[02:32:49] <renesis> look ford has the mustang, and the ford GT which almost didnt exist even in los angeles
[02:32:55] <renesis> theres a gap, and mustang isnt really sport
[02:33:04] <renesis> it is now, but it took a long time
[02:33:08] <_methods> hell yeah i still love my weber
[02:33:18] <_methods> but the damn egg is so awesome
[02:33:23] <PetefromTn_> give it to me you got the green egg now HEHE
[02:33:36] <_methods> i just use my weber now when people come over and i need more grill space
[02:33:43] <PetefromTn_> I need to clean up the grill and sell it.
[02:34:03] <PetefromTn_> its a nice one but it is way too big for our needs and the wife hates it.
[02:34:44] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/Weber-10020-Smokey-Silver-Charcoal/dp/B00004RALL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416796457&sr=8-2&keywords=smokey+joe
[02:35:08] <renesis> heheh i want one of those for camping and parks
[02:35:48] <renesis> $30, and you can do two steaks or 3-4 burgers on it
[02:36:05] <renesis> and it will last until it gets stolen or you leave it somewhere
[02:38:43] <_methods> jesus walking dead finally got exciting 40 min in
[02:39:00] <PetefromTn_> I actually made the legs on our weber large kettle grill removable and we took it camping all the time with us.
[02:39:35] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/4709923244.html hmm
[02:39:41] <_methods> the vent on the bottom of my weber is all rusted out
[02:39:43] <_methods> i need to fix that
[02:41:10] <PetefromTn_> woohoo just got a shipping confirmation for my LED 5050 GRB kit.
[02:41:25] <_methods> yeah man i got a 5m strip coming
[02:41:25] <PetefromTn_> Got the engraving programmed for my little project
[02:41:26] <_methods> one day
[02:41:27] <_methods> lol
[02:41:48] <PetefromTn_> should be getting the acrylic sheet sometime this week.
[02:41:51] <_methods> gonna do the tree up with them
[02:42:02] <PetefromTn_> the LED's are supposed to be here by the 29th
[02:42:03] <_methods> have the xmas tree controlled from android and web app lol
[02:42:09] <PetefromTn_> he
[02:42:11] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:42:23] <pfred1> I've barbequed for christmas
[02:42:26] <PetefromTn_> they are bright as hell from what I have seen
[02:42:26] <_methods> that way the wife can make it whatever color she wants
[02:42:34] <_methods> oh yeah they're bright
[02:42:41] <_methods> you get a power supply too?
[02:42:45] <PetefromTn_> did you get the 300 count ones?
[02:42:51] <_methods> nah i got 60/m
[02:43:06] <_methods> yeah so 300 i guess lol
[02:43:13] <_methods> 5m @ 60/m
[02:43:16] <PetefromTn_> I got a 5Meter strip of 300 so yeah
[02:43:32] <_methods> yeah the 144's are crazy
[02:43:37] <_methods> 144/m
[02:46:23] <_methods> you get one of those kits with the remote control and power supply?
[02:46:28] <PetefromTn_> I just got what I saw some youtube videos that do edge lit acrylic signs using hopefully it will work
[02:46:43] <_methods> yeah it works i made one
[02:46:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah 120vac power supply and 44 button remote
[02:47:04] <PetefromTn_> was like $25.00
[02:47:14] <_methods> oh wow that's not bad at all
[02:47:16] <PetefromTn_> got any pics?
[02:47:19] <_methods> that must not be the ws2812
[02:47:26] <_methods> yeah one sec diggin up the video lol
[02:47:35] <_methods> it's an inside joke
[02:47:42] <PetefromTn_> ?
[02:47:52] <_methods> this other guy i know it's like our hello world
[02:47:55] <_methods> you'll see one sec
[02:48:38] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/csumk1t2tghbcio/2014-03-25%2021.46.23.mp4?dl=0
[02:48:49] <_methods> that's an equalizer i made with them
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[02:49:16] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/go6krw2s0luwjc8/2014-05-01%2000.09.32.mp4?dl=0
[02:49:20] <_methods> and the hellow world lol
[02:50:24] <PetefromTn_> jeez man all that work for a joke LOL
[02:50:27] <_methods> whenever he makes a new project he always drops in a lee is gay lol
[02:50:36] <PetefromTn_> looks nice tho
[02:50:44] <_methods> yeah it's pretty cool
[02:50:48] <PetefromTn_> what thickness and type of plastic did you use
[02:51:00] <_methods> i think i had some 1/4" acrylic
[02:51:06] <_methods> i'd have to go measure
[02:51:29] <PetefromTn_> I bought some 3/8 acrylic extruded sheet from onlinemetals
[02:51:35] <_methods> yeah that will work fine
[02:51:43] <PetefromTn_> looking forward to trying it out.
[02:51:52] <PetefromTn_> wanna see my design?
[02:52:01] <_methods> sure
[02:52:11] <_methods> i need to make desk ones for everyoe at work one day
[02:52:51] <_methods> put arduino mini's in the base
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[02:52:59] <_methods> run it all off usb
[02:53:59] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/icTlzo4.jpg
[02:54:28] <_methods> oh yeah nice
[02:54:35] <_methods> that will look good
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[02:54:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is for my wife
[02:54:49] <PetefromTn_> she is a HUGE Alice in Chains Fan...
[02:54:55] <_methods> are you going to wrap leds on all 4 sides?
[02:55:05] <PetefromTn_> ?
[02:55:20] <_methods> some people make a frame all the way around
[02:55:20] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean all four sides?
[02:55:28] <_methods> and run the lights on all 4 sides
[02:55:33] <PetefromTn_> oh no it is going to be just like the sign you made
[02:55:52] <PetefromTn_> acrylic sticking up out of a wood base with lights in it.
[02:56:00] <_methods> yeah
[02:56:07] <_methods> that's all i did with mie
[02:56:09] <_methods> mine
[02:56:14] <PetefromTn_> I actually made one for my Oldest daughter
[02:56:17] <_methods> but i see some people make like a picture frame
[02:56:20] <_methods> and do all 4 sides
[02:56:26] <PetefromTn_> still have it here but i need to make the base and get the LED's
[02:56:26] <_methods> which looks cool for bigger signs
[02:57:14] <PetefromTn_> I basically engraved the Batman logo with her name in the middle of it in relief
[02:57:19] <PetefromTn_> in an oval
[02:57:21] <_methods> ahhh cool
[02:57:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah it was pretty sweet
[02:57:38] <PetefromTn_> I need to finish it and get the base and lights mad
[02:57:41] <PetefromTn_> made
[02:59:30] <jdh> it's all about the base.
[02:59:43] <PetefromTn_> how so
[03:00:05] <PetefromTn_> oh nevermind LOL
[03:01:51] <_methods> hahahha
[03:02:19] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple more rail orders this weekend YAY!
[03:02:48] <PetefromTn_> I also was contacted by an old friend who MAY have something he wants machined in quantity if we can agree on price.
[03:02:50] <_methods> congrats
[03:03:19] <PetefromTn_> well it has been slow as shit this past week or two and I was starting to thing there would not be a break in the lull :)
[03:03:51] <_methods> are you machining for yourself full time now?
[03:04:11] <PetefromTn_> pretty much have been for awhile now..
[03:04:18] <_methods> ahh nice
[03:04:25] <PetefromTn_> it is when there is work
[03:04:29] <_methods> yeah
[03:04:37] <_methods> only bad thing about workin for yourself
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[03:04:42] <PetefromTn_> when there is nothing it starts to feel like a huge freakin' mistake
[03:04:47] <_methods> yeah
[03:04:54] <_methods> try and keep the overhead low
[03:05:16] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get something going with local companies so far with limited success.
[03:05:24] <PetefromTn_> made a couple prototypes
[03:05:26] <_methods> it's hard to get the foot in the door
[03:05:32] <PetefromTn_> and there is promise for some long term work
[03:05:46] <PetefromTn_> but so far it is kinda in limbo with most of them.
[03:06:19] <_methods> well you got a mill and lathe so you should be capable of most anything
[03:06:26] <PetefromTn_> Just bought this new CNC lathe project and right now I have no cash to put into the new control components
[03:06:37] <PetefromTn_> so actually right now I am lathe-less
[03:06:43] <_methods> ahhh
[03:06:44] <_methods> ouch
[03:06:45] <PetefromTn_> which BITES
[03:07:08] <PetefromTn_> I may just take out a small loan to buy the stuff I need to get it going sooner
[03:07:19] <PetefromTn_> and pay it back with my tax return or something
[03:07:28] <_methods> yeah that sounds like a good idea
[03:07:33] <_methods> do you have lathe work backed up?
[03:07:33] <PetefromTn_> I MISS having a lathe here
[03:07:40] <PetefromTn_> no not really
[03:07:43] <_methods> oh
[03:07:47] <PetefromTn_> did not really have any lathe work
[03:07:48] <_methods> well hell wait then
[03:07:57] <PetefromTn_> never took any on
[03:08:06] <PetefromTn_> unless it was for a CNC mill need
[03:08:14] <PetefromTn_> because I only had the manual lathe
[03:08:17] <Tom_itx> mill probably pays more
[03:08:36] <_methods> yeah unless it's c or y axis work
[03:08:54] <PetefromTn_> I am really glad I sold the manual to get the new CNC lathe but without a manual lathe I feel like I am missing a leg or something.
[03:09:08] <Tom_itx> well you are :D
[03:09:11] <jdh> s/eg/athe/
[03:09:44] <PetefromTn_> The new CNC lathe is needing some work and I am refinishing the panels sheetmetal right now.
[03:10:04] <Valen> PetefromTn_: get some spinny handles and hook it up for manual drive
[03:10:16] <PetefromTn_> I have been so busy installing my new AC unit I have not had much time to mess with it.
[03:10:23] <PetefromTn_> Valen Not a bad idea LOL
[03:10:41] <PetefromTn_> but you would have to stand in the back of the machine to turn the X handle LOL
[03:10:44] <Valen> I mean you can run it through the linuxcnc
[03:11:00] <Valen> like when you drive the mill around with an xbox controller
[03:11:21] <PetefromTn_> It is missing some parts and the entire control is gutted.
[03:11:43] <PetefromTn_> so it needs basically about two weeks worth of work and about $2k in parts to be running again.
[03:11:46] <Valen> so put EMC on it and add some of these ;-> http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15&products_id=30&zenid=movauafnmtb4uo86a79dt3acc4
[03:12:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh it WILL be EMC and mesa
[03:12:44] <PetefromTn_> cannot wait to get it running.
[03:12:59] <Valen> shiny
[03:13:00] <PetefromTn_> Worst case scenario I have to wait until tax time to be able to afford the new parts.
[03:13:06] <Valen> :-<
[03:13:08] <PetefromTn_> which would suck but it is what it is
[03:13:22] <PetefromTn_> At least I have a nice CNC lathe here to play with
[03:13:29] <PetefromTn_> better than NO cnc lathe I guess
[03:13:40] <Valen> spend your time painting it up and polishing it
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[03:13:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah washy sloshy and shiney buffy
[03:13:57] <Valen> doesn't matter how it works, if it looks sexy people will like it lol
[03:14:14] <PetefromTn_> that is unfortunately generally the case....
[03:16:12] <PetefromTn_> wish I did not have to sell the manual lathe but with things the way they are lately there is just no way I would have been able to afford to buy the CNC lathe otherwise.
[03:16:35] <PetefromTn_> and I really need a nice CNC lathe for the shop so I took a chance.
[03:16:40] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I won't regret it.
[03:16:46] <PetefromTn_> Altho what is humorous
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[03:17:19] <PetefromTn_> I have been approached lately for a bunch of those custom wheels I machine and I NEED the CNC lathe to finish them after most of the part is machined in the VMC.
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[03:19:06] <tjtr33> can any of the vmc parts be moved temporarily to the lathe? ( buy separate parts later when you get some scratch )
[03:20:41] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand
[03:20:52] <PetefromTn_> the lathe is not operational yet
[03:20:55] <PetefromTn_> just the VMC
[03:21:22] <PetefromTn_> I COULD possibly machine them entirely on the VMC but there is a TON of 3d milling that would be required since they are so elaborately shaped.
[03:21:23] <tjtr33> move motors & drives from vmc to lathe
[03:21:30] <PetefromTn_> oh that is not possible
[03:21:53] <PetefromTn_> they would not even fit and this is a full blown machining center
[03:22:16] <PetefromTn_> I just need to get the cash together and order the parts
[03:22:33] <PetefromTn_> It will be a simple retrofit really
[03:22:59] <PetefromTn_> it is ALREADY a CNC lathe and everything is there just need to add the new motors and drives and PC and mesa cards and wire it all up.
[03:26:38] <jdh> will it work as-is?
[03:27:24] <PetefromTn_> how could it work missing a control and motors?
[03:28:52] <jdh> didn't know what all it was missing.
[03:29:40] <jdh> how do you know it 'works' with no motor/control?
[03:30:08] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand the question..
[03:30:36] <jdh> nevermind.
[03:35:06] <LeelooMinai> I watched some video of milling an aluminum part and it seemed that the guy did not like "plunging" endmill into the piece, but instead drilled holes first - why is that?
[03:35:20] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, is it mechanically sound other than the controls and drives?
[03:35:22] <cradek> it works much better
[03:35:38] <Tom_itx> with all that gone seems it would be hard to determine what else was good or bad
[03:35:46] <cradek> plunging at an angle is a fine compromise if your part lets you do it
[03:36:23] <cradek> also, although they're rarer now, there are non-centercutting end mills, especially roughers
[03:36:25] <Tom_itx> harder on tooling but works
[03:36:26] <LeelooMinai> Is it because the endmill is designed to cut with sides or something like that?
[03:36:28] <renesis> leeloominai: not all endmills are center cutting
[03:36:29] <PetefromTn_> the machine is in great shape overall
[03:36:40] <cradek> yeah sides are always better
[03:36:54] <renesis> and center cutting endmills may not plunge as well when worn even when the flutes still cut well
[03:36:56] <Tom_itx> centercutting endmills will plunge straight down but i wouldn't use them for a drill
[03:37:32] <LeelooMinai> Is "roughing" just some kind of course cutting?
[03:37:37] <PetefromTn_> drilling out large deep pockets is generally considered faster material removal than pocketing it out
[03:37:45] <renesis> leeloominai: yes
[03:37:46] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, they're made different
[03:37:58] <Tom_itx> designed to remove lots of material
[03:38:02] <cradek> they have teeth
[03:38:03] <renesis> roughing endmills are, but you can rough with anything
[03:38:13] <cradek> they work *great*
[03:38:19] <LeelooMinai> So faster removal, but less smooth cuts?
[03:38:22] <renesis> nomnomnom
[03:38:25] <cradek> yes they leave a very rough finish (stripes)
[03:38:32] <LeelooMinai> I see, ok
[03:38:34] <Tom_itx> the flutes aren't flat
[03:38:38] <Tom_itx> they have ripples in them
[03:38:44] <renesis> they have flutes in the flutes so you can chicp cut you cut chips
[03:38:53] <tjtr33> like 'swedish' endmills
[03:39:00] <renesis> *so you can chip cut your cut chips
[03:39:40] <renesis> http://www.use-enco.com/ProductImages/0188798-23.jpg
[03:39:44] <Tom_itx> http://www.use-enco.com/ProductImages/0188798-23.jpg
[03:39:48] <renesis> it goes nomnomnom
[03:39:48] <Tom_itx> haha
[03:39:52] <Tom_itx> you googled too
[03:39:54] <renesis> ya
[03:39:58] <LeelooMinai> The guy uses something called strutcam - does linuxcnc have this functionality or it has to be done outside of it?
[03:40:08] <cradek> linuxcnc is not cam software
[03:40:11] <PetefromTn_> sprutcam
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[03:40:26] <jdh> tormach stuff?
[03:40:43] <renesis> linux cnc just turns rs274 into driver signals
[03:40:55] <jdh> one of our groups got a tormach mill a month or two ago. Nobody has any idea what to do with it.
[03:40:56] <LeelooMinai> I guess cam software just prepares g-codes and then one can load them into linuxcnc?
[03:41:06] <cradek> yes
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[03:41:17] <LeelooMinai> Can it be done with free software?
[03:41:25] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, your router doesn't run with Gcode/
[03:41:26] <Tom_itx> ?
[03:41:53] <Tom_itx> or is this a new build for you?
[03:42:04] <renesis> leeloominai: you mean besides text editors?
[03:42:06] <LeelooMinai> Tom_itx: Hm? This is completely new machine.
[03:42:19] <Tom_itx> oh ok
[03:42:25] <cradek> yeah, I hand-write virtually all my gcode
[03:42:29] <cradek> it's not ideal
[03:42:32] <renesis> rly?
[03:42:37] <renesis> hardcore
[03:42:40] <LeelooMinai> renesis: lol, I don't think many people can visualise g-code and the final result:)
[03:42:59] <LeelooMinai> At least for complex parts, not a hole
[03:43:02] <renesis> i guess you are prob familiar with the variable based code for linuxcnc, heh
[03:43:27] <tjtr33> i'd say you _have_ to be able to draw what the gcode say will happen or you're in trouble
[03:43:33] <renesis> leeloominai: anything 2.5d is not so hard
[03:44:02] <renesis> really complex shit, you just find something that outputs coordinates of vector graphics and use a text editor with macro to turn into gcode
[03:44:51] <LeelooMinai> Well, I mean you heve to take lots of variables into account - like size of the mill for example. It would be strange not using some software to help with that, no?
[03:44:56] <renesis> 3d stuff, its not complicated its just long, but you should be able to look at lines of code and 'see' what is happening
[03:45:10] <renesis> i used autocad and the offset tool
[03:45:15] <renesis> for lots of stuff
[03:45:36] <LeelooMinai> RIght, like yesterday I saw some guy using 5-axis machine to machine a turbine in aluminum - good luck with doing that by hand:)
[03:46:10] <renesis> if youre doing that, you should be able to afford a $5k software package
[03:46:22] <renesis> you can get very functional for less
[03:46:28] <LeelooMinai> It was a small one, but still.
[03:46:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCFreeCNCSoftware.html
[03:46:37] <renesis> and there are lots of sub $1000 solutions
[03:46:48] <renesis> if you dont have that much to spend, you shouldnt expect anything to be easy
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[03:46:59] <tjtr33> is that the one you buy 'gas' for ( it wont run after a while and you need to get 'gas' )
[03:47:09] <renesis> no thats cnc sim
[03:47:16] <renesis> i was so pissed when the gas station shut down
[03:47:20] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but what would linuxcnc people use - I assume they would want something free, open-source for that - is there anything?
[03:47:22] <tjtr33> haha
[03:47:39] <PetefromTn_> I wish there was a GOOD free open source cam
[03:47:41] <renesis> prob everything
[03:47:43] <PetefromTn_> but there is not a lot
[03:47:57] <renesis> i helped with gcam and it kind of sucked
[03:47:59] <PetefromTn_> I use CamBam which is pretty cheap and Sheetcam
[03:48:02] <renesis> and its gone now
[03:48:12] <renesis> cambam seems cool
[03:48:13] <LeelooMinai> I see... so it looks bleak
[03:48:22] <tjtr33> for 3d visulaization of cuts... no , nothing like comercial quality, but the stuff from Heeks and AWallin is a good start
[03:48:22] <PetefromTn_> Sheetcam is great 2.5D
[03:48:32] <PetefromTn_> CamBam is too but adds 3d
[03:48:49] <PetefromTn_> and even some lathe functions
[03:48:58] <PetefromTn_> for the money it is pretty damn capable.
[03:49:01] <renesis> hsm express is a free plguin for solidworks
[03:49:12] <renesis> yeah cambam seems very fair
[03:49:33] <renesis> anyway, if you want to steal something, just get mastercam
[03:49:37] <PetefromTn_> I would love to know there was anything that is more capable for less money..
[03:49:45] <tjtr33> bleak? how many axis machine are you building?
[03:49:47] <renesis> if youre not making tons of money consider it job training
[03:50:10] <LeelooMinai> tjtr33: I meant bleak in terms of good open-source cam software
[03:50:34] <PetefromTn_> Freecad guys are working on a CAM module that should be good but is a long way from being usable.
[03:50:47] <renesis> leeloominai: what are you cutting?
[03:50:56] <LeelooMinai> Nothing, just researching
[03:51:17] <renesis> if youre mostly doing simple 2.5d, i dont think you should use much cam anyway at first
[03:51:24] <Tom_itx> pcw_home you around?
[03:51:25] <LeelooMinai> Saw this guy using that software there and as wondering
[03:51:34] <renesis> especially if youve never done gcode
[03:52:01] <renesis> its connect the dots, its not very hard and when you start using CAM, youll be able to debug and edit the output
[03:52:19] <PetefromTn_> SprutCam is apparently pretty decent but it is over a grand and that is bundled with a Tormach mill purchase. dunno what it costs standalone
[03:52:38] <renesis> want a tormach
[03:52:40] <LeelooMinai> Right, I would look into details too, but I would not like to do everything by hand as it's error-prone
[03:53:14] <renesis> linuxcnc has toolpath output
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[03:53:35] <PetefromTn_> Didn't LinuxCNC have a simple cam plugin or something at one point?
[03:54:02] <LeelooMinai> Is that mastercam separate cam software or something bigger?
[03:54:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.sprutcamamerica.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=software
[03:54:04] <renesis> there was an autocad script a lot of people used, maybe that?
[03:54:19] <renesis> leeloominai: seperate cam, you can get a solidworks plugin, i like it
[03:54:36] <LeelooMinai> I see a lot of it on piratebay
[03:54:47] <Tom_itx> you gotta register with them to get a price
[03:54:56] <renesis> prob get a virus but thats just makes you pc normal
[03:54:58] <PetefromTn_> Mastercam Rocks... Wish I could afford it.
[03:55:00] <tjtr33> maybe some low cost linux solution? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam varicad and gCad3D might be useful.
[03:55:43] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ get more jobs lined up :)
[03:55:50] <PetefromTn_> http://freecadamusements.blogspot.com/2012/10/cam-module.html
[03:55:59] <Tom_itx> i took a chance when i got mine
[03:56:02] <tjtr33> i dont recall realtime cut simulation in either ( like stepping a gcode program with a virtual cutter thru a virtual block )
[03:56:05] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx That is MUCH harder than it sounds...
[03:56:12] <Tom_itx> oh i know
[03:56:14] <LeelooMinai> RIght, well, I am just a hobbyist - I won't buy $1k software to mill aluminum enclosure for small pcb:)
[03:56:20] <skunkworks> dxf2gcode I think would act like an input filter.. (2.5d..) people have used heekcad/cam also
[03:56:32] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, we're talking about 6-10k
[03:56:36] <renesis> leeloominai: use eagle pcbgcode.ulp
[03:56:47] <renesis> or code by hand
[03:56:56] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai I think you would be impressed with CamBam once you start playing with it and it is like $200.00 or something like that.
[03:56:56] <LeelooMinai> I guess initially I will just do it by hand
[03:57:01] <renesis> panels and enclosures can be simple 2.5d, you should learn how to code that
[03:57:02] <Tom_itx> if all you need is a box milled out you can code that by hand
[03:57:14] <renesis> that shit will prob be under 100 lines
[03:57:17] <skunkworks> or you can code it by hand...
[03:57:24] <skunkworks> ;)
[03:57:25] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop has some nice routines to do simple shapes
[03:57:26] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: I don't think I spend $200 for software in my whole life and that includes OS:)
[03:57:34] <tjtr33> and look at all you can do with JT's gcode generators
[03:57:35] <Tom_itx> you should look at that too
[03:57:52] <renesis> leeloominai: then just steal mastercam and solidworks
[03:57:57] <LeelooMinai> Well, actually, maybe I did - 20 years ago or so I bought Borland compilers
[03:58:11] <PetefromTn_> well until someone comes up with a CAM software that is freeware open source there is little out there other than pirated stuff.
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[03:58:38] <renesis> if youre not making the big bucks, using their software is basically training and advertising
[03:58:40] <PetefromTn_> I have high hopes for FreecadCam
[03:58:42] <LeelooMinai> Well, there is linuxcnc so someone could start a side-kick to it just for cam work
[03:58:48] <renesis> if you couldnt afford it anyway, it doesnt hurt them
[03:58:54] <renesis> and it keeps you from using other products
[03:59:02] <renesis> and it keeps them in industry standard position
[03:59:12] <renesis> if you are making the big bucks, youre kind of being an asshole
[03:59:37] <roycroft> i won't make a huge issue of this, but that's a bullshit rationalization
[03:59:39] <roycroft> theft is theft
[03:59:46] <PetefromTn_> I think once I get enought work going on here I will try to buy a seat of solidworks and get the HSMworks free version.
[03:59:50] <roycroft> and that's all i'll say about it
[03:59:54] <renesis> theft means taking something from someone, no one doesnt have anything
[03:59:56] <renesis> you copied
[04:00:03] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai, you could look these over too http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[04:00:04] <renesis> they didnt lose a sale either
[04:00:07] <Tom_itx> just get the latest one
[04:00:34] <LeelooMinai> I bet some big guys even like their stuff being pirated
[04:00:36] <renesis> roycroft: piracy is basically how adobe established CS
[04:01:10] <LeelooMinai> Because they know that it makes their software popular and people who pirate it would never buy it anyways
[04:01:28] <renesis> they cant
[04:01:49] <renesis> but it means when you get a job and ask what do you need, you say their software
[04:01:55] <renesis> and thats how they make money
[04:02:29] <Tom_itx> sounds like a drunk trying to rationalize with the officer that pulled him over
[04:02:30] <LeelooMinai> RIght, that's also why they provide free packages for schools, etc.
[04:02:42] <Tom_itx> my take on it
[04:02:46] <renesis> ive stolen eagle, and since then, two companies have bought it for me to use, and ive bought personal licenses
[04:03:09] <renesis> tom_itx: officers give me my weed back like all the time
[04:03:35] <LeelooMinai> Well, nothing is black and white - I don't like extreme positions either way
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[04:03:50] <renesis> tom_itx: piracy by private individuals drives corporate sales
[04:04:29] <renesis> if the piracy didnt happem, the individuals prob wouldn't request the software because expensive and no experience with it
[04:04:43] <renesis> EDA is same shit
[04:04:46] <roycroft> i'm smart enough to not get weed taken from mey by cops in the first place :P
[04:04:59] <renesis> you never get pulled over?
[04:05:13] <Tom_itx> well there are students that learn a software and go out into the workforce wanting it
[04:05:20] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai Check out heekscadcam it is free or real cheap and supposed to be decent.
[04:05:22] <renesis> i usually didnt stash before medical laws, i def dont now
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[04:05:33] <renesis> tom_itx: yeah man lots of those students pirate
[04:05:40] <renesis> using student licenses to make money is piracy
[04:05:44] <Tom_itx> i'm sure alot don't too
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[04:05:50] <tjtr33> LeelooMinai, and the newest versions does have some cut simulation
[04:05:59] <renesis> and lots will steal full versions to do same at home as full licenses at school
[04:06:12] <Tom_itx> we've discussed it before. i'm done
[04:06:16] <renesis> k
[04:06:16] * roycroft enjoys watching can-o-worms explode
[04:06:17] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, will look at it
[04:07:24] <tjtr33> do you speak Russian? the rusnuxcnc club has a lot of gcode generators too
[04:08:06] <tjtr33> https://www.cnc-club.ru/forum/index.php
[04:08:12] <LeelooMinai> Not really. I had Russian in school, but it was compulsory at that time and everyone hated it and only pretended to learn:)
[04:08:35] <LeelooMinai> Also, kind of useless...
[04:09:07] <LeelooMinai> I would rather learn Chinese - at least I would know those cryptic descriptions on aliexpress:p
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[04:11:28] <renesis> the chinese dont even always understand chinese
[04:11:45] <LeelooMinai> They have simplified version even
[04:12:08] <CaptHindsight> lots of regional dialects
[04:12:15] <tjtr33> Nick Drobchenko's "Features" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGB0xImNmZ4 and the new 'Axis' like front end from CoolTool
[04:12:20] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, is the air they use when milling just normal compressed air or it's chilled somehow?
[04:12:37] <tjtr33> venturi drops the temperature
[04:13:07] <LeelooMinai> A, so chilled without any special devices?
[04:13:08] <tjtr33> purely mechanical
[04:13:51] <LeelooMinai> I wonder how much it's dropped and if having some additional cooling would make sense
[04:14:02] <tjtr33> put air in mouth squeeze real hard, open mouth, see 'smoke' , its colder when the pressure drops
[04:14:08] <CaptHindsight> looks like hackers took down craigslist
[04:14:55] <PetefromTn_> craigslist works for me
[04:14:59] <LeelooMinai> So those would just go to normal compressor like for air tools?
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[04:15:51] <CaptHindsight> huh, it took me to some other site earlier and now it doesn't even load
[04:16:19] <LeelooMinai> They are kind of noisy buggers - I would need probably to run the whole hose from the basement to my room
[04:16:29] <tjtr33> http://www.nex-flow.com/tool_cooling.htm
[04:16:50] <tjtr33> http://thescipub.com/PDF/ajassp.2009.251.262.pdf
[04:17:00] <LeelooMinai> o, 75 deg lower - that's a lot
[04:17:33] <tjtr33> never believe a salesman, their job is to lie and get your money, but yes it _is_cooler
[04:18:33] <tjtr33> Hilsch Vortex Tube thats the principle
[04:19:50] <tjtr33> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube
[04:20:08] <LeelooMinai> Only one maker makes those?
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[04:20:45] <tjtr33> no, lotsa people, diff names, they wont mention the base principle tho, too damn simple :)
[04:21:03] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/d067G8F.png
[04:21:06] <zeeshan> pretty graphs!
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[04:21:39] <tjtr33> you runnin matlab on linux?
[04:21:44] <zeeshan> no
[04:21:56] <zeeshan> but it can run on it :P
[04:22:25] <LeelooMinai> MOdelling ant dwellings?
[04:22:32] <zeeshan> no
[04:22:37] <tjtr33> maybe try Octave
[04:22:39] <zeeshan> that so far shows the deflection of a plate
[04:22:42] <XXCoder> isnt matlab rather expensive>?
[04:22:47] <zeeshan> and moments on it
[04:22:56] <zeeshan> moment resultants
[04:23:02] <zeeshan> XXCoder: everything is cheap for students :)
[04:23:03] <tjtr33> oh this is the 'damn bell curve'
[04:23:11] <XXCoder> cool. how m,uch was it
[04:23:21] <zeeshan> its a simply supported plate
[04:23:24] <zeeshan> XXCoder: free
[04:23:29] <XXCoder> ang
[04:23:31] <XXCoder> dang
[04:24:20] <LeelooMinai> There's also a lot of python scientific libraries/environments
[04:24:41] <zeeshan> its just another environment
[04:24:44] <zeeshan> nothing special
[04:24:50] <zeeshan> what you do with it makes it special :P
[04:25:08] <LeelooMinai> RIght, like humps in color:)
[04:25:23] <zeeshan> you dont see it?
[04:25:28] <zeeshan> thats a plate
[04:25:29] <zeeshan> thats bending
[04:25:34] <LeelooMinai> I do - I am not color blind:)
[04:25:37] <tjtr33> uh, you found out it bends more in the middle and less at the ends
[04:25:44] <tjtr33> not so special,. sorry
[04:25:52] <tjtr33> :)
[04:25:54] <zeeshan> :)
[04:26:01] <zeeshan> its not in the middle
[04:26:03] <zeeshan> its slightly offset
[04:26:11] <zeeshan> cause of the triangular load distribution
[04:26:32] <zeeshan> dam gate
[04:26:38] <zeeshan> is basically what this is
[04:33:54] <toastydeath> zeeshan, what's your opinion of python or octave/scilab if you have one
[04:34:01] <toastydeath> for numeric methods
[04:34:53] <zeeshan> i havent used either ones =/
[04:34:57] <toastydeath> o
[04:34:59] <zeeshan> python i have
[04:35:15] <zeeshan> i really think all those things can work depending on what you wanna do
[04:35:26] <toastydeath> oh, for sure - i was just curious
[04:35:27] <zeeshan> if youre just plotting 3d graphs , solving derivatives
[04:35:33] <zeeshan> you can use any of em
[04:35:45] <zeeshan> in my numerical methods class we used both python and matlab
[04:35:57] <zeeshan> its just really nice that you can open up your array
[04:36:01] <zeeshan> for debugging purposes
[04:36:09] <zeeshan> with python you gotta spit it out
[04:36:15] <zeeshan> gets messy fast
[04:36:17] <LeelooMinai> The good thing about those python based is that most of them are free
[04:36:19] <toastydeath> roger
[04:36:30] <toastydeath> i usually have some other input method for python
[04:36:35] <toastydeath> have excel open, for instance
[04:36:37] <toastydeath> and read that in
[04:37:05] <toastydeath> but i don't do numeric methods on python because i'm not in a field that does that
[04:37:23] <LeelooMinai> There's also this Mathematica-like python that works in browsers, can do plotting, etc. Forgot the name, but I used it once for some EE-related project
[04:38:19] <toastydeath> yep, the ipython notebook
[04:38:22] <zeeshan> its kinda like cad
[04:38:32] <LeelooMinai> O, right, ipython
[04:38:34] <zeeshan> almost all can be used to build a 3d model
[04:38:40] <toastydeath> i use ipython qtconsole
[04:38:44] <toastydeath> rather than the notebook
[04:38:48] <zeeshan> but some features in solidworks are just "nice to have"
[04:39:37] <zeeshan> one thing ive noticed about matlab is it is a resource hog..
[04:39:53] <zeeshan> fresh start
[04:39:59] <zeeshan> it consumes 400mb of memory
[04:40:06] <zeeshan> if youre solving a 5000x5000 matrix
[04:40:10] <zeeshan> it'll almost go to 2gigs
[04:40:11] <zeeshan> lol
[04:40:22] <toastydeath> lol
[04:40:25] <toastydeath> that's amazing
[04:42:34] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.imgur.com/all/
[04:42:35] <zeeshan> er
[04:42:38] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/2lJzFXO.png
[04:42:42] <zeeshan> right now im having the problem
[04:42:47] <zeeshan> that the max function is dumb
[04:42:54] <zeeshan> it literally only finds the max value
[04:43:06] <zeeshan> i have two values that are like .0000000000000000000005 in difference
[04:43:13] <zeeshan> so it only picks one of them
[04:43:18] <zeeshan> there is no tolerance to locate more than one max
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[04:47:26] <Aero-Tec> getting errors
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[04:47:52] <Aero-Tec> have run the code several times and no errors
[04:48:15] <Aero-Tec> then unrecognized t
[04:48:29] <Aero-Tec> then cut 2 parts
[04:48:41] <Aero-Tec> then unrecognized e
[04:48:46] <Aero-Tec> go fig
[04:49:19] <Aero-Tec> any ideas?
[04:50:28] <Aero-Tec> I have some remed out stuff
[04:50:47] <Aero-Tec> using both (****) and ;*****
[04:51:33] <PetefromTn_> I'd try to help you but I have no freakin' idea what you are talking about...OL
[04:51:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[04:52:11] <tjtr33> i'm guessing its gcode, so pastebin the gcode, and report the entire error message
[04:52:37] <PetefromTn_> I figured that when he said he cut 2 parts
[04:52:56] <tjtr33> (more guesses, bad media storing the program )
[04:53:07] <Aero-Tec> it crashes at same spot
[04:53:20] <PetefromTn_> define crash
[04:53:26] <Aero-Tec> start of parting
[04:53:42] <Aero-Tec> errors and program ends
[04:53:54] <Aero-Tec> or stops I should say
[04:54:45] <Aero-Tec> http://pastebin.com/pteA8A9y
[04:54:56] <Aero-Tec> section of code where it happens
[04:56:53] <Aero-Tec> larger section of code
[04:56:55] <Aero-Tec> http://pastebin.com/PYCPjAtx
[04:57:16] <tjtr33> should you be using _ instead of - ?
[04:57:18] <Aero-Tec> the tool move to pre tool change spot
[04:57:24] <Aero-Tec> and then errors
[04:58:00] <tjtr33> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:Named-Parameters
[04:58:17] <Aero-Tec> - is easier and has not made any problems before
[04:58:27] <tjtr33> ok
[04:59:24] <Aero-Tec> when doing global ones it needs the leading _
[05:00:07] <Aero-Tec> wondering if a good old restart may do the trick
[05:00:17] <Aero-Tec> been running for a few days
[05:00:29] <Aero-Tec> maybe a week with out any shut down
[05:02:27] <Aero-Tec> could I setup and desktop sharing over my networks?
[05:02:48] <Aero-Tec> would be nice to see the desktop of the shop unit while in office
[05:03:20] <Aero-Tec> I will have to run and look at error message and then run back and type it
[05:03:32] <Aero-Tec> would be nice to do it all from here
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[05:03:53] <tjtr33> http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/emc-developers/thread/201312020814.20688.gheskett@wdtv.com/
[05:04:51] <tjtr33> ^^^ gene fixed his problemd by editing the - to _
[05:04:59] <tjtr33> "The fix was to remove any and all dash's that were not intended to be
[05:05:00] <tjtr33> subtraction signs, and put in underscores, not only in the subroutines
[05:05:00] <tjtr33> actual and internal names, but in ALL the "#<named>" variables referenced
[05:05:00] <tjtr33> too, all the way back to the MDI_COMMAND = entries in the ini file."
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[05:07:14] <Aero-Tec> cool
[05:07:23] <Aero-Tec> so works some times and not others?
[05:07:47] <Aero-Tec> have made lots of stuff and it was never a problem till now
[05:08:05] <tjtr33> why things done the wrong way, why they sometimes work, is not useful to investigate, its hard enuf to do things the right way :)
[05:08:26] <Aero-Tec> did runs of over 80 and worked great
[05:08:28] <tjtr33> for me anyway
[05:08:42] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:08:48] <Aero-Tec> you have a point
[05:09:02] <Aero-Tec> will try your fix
[05:09:04] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[05:09:06] <tjtr33> try it and see
[05:09:12] <tjtr33> np
[05:09:14] <Aero-Tec> will do
[05:15:51] <tjtr33> thought about it ... fred-ethel will be seen as fred and ethel, and usually ethel has 0 value, and the program 'works', but sometimes ethel gets some value ( i dunno why ) and messes up the result of fred MINUS ethel
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[05:23:27] <unfy> O_o
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[05:26:53] <Aero-Tec> even when it is a variable name?
[05:27:32] <roycroft> i'm not sure fred can exist minus ethel
[05:27:44] <roycroft> he'd drive ricky crazy and ricky would murder him
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[05:27:56] <Aero-Tec> it is all inside of the #<>
[05:28:06] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:28:31] <Aero-Tec> guess ricks not gay
[05:28:50] <roycroft> and fred+ethel would be unpredictable because of the random lucy factor
[05:29:00] <roycroft> this is a losing proposition no matter how you craft it
[05:29:02] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:29:43] <Aero-Tec> yup lucy can be a real problem
[05:30:19] <Aero-Tec> gets ethel pissed at rick, and lucy
[05:30:47] <Aero-Tec> got nice for rick to sleep with ethel so he runs to lucy
[05:30:53] <Aero-Tec> lucy wins
[05:31:41] <Aero-Tec> looks like there can be a win in there if you look hard enough
[05:31:46] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:32:16] <Aero-Tec> would bet lucy is lots younger ethel
[05:32:36] <Aero-Tec> rick is supper happy
[05:33:25] <Aero-Tec> after he pays off ethel of course in settlement
[05:34:35] <Aero-Tec> changes made
[05:34:40] <Aero-Tec> will run code
[05:40:03] <Aero-Tec> one cool thing is I get a loading error with new code that I did not with old code
[05:40:28] <Computer_Barf> hey guize
[05:40:59] <Aero-Tec> -BLANK in name loaded fine
[05:41:14] <Aero-Tec> but should have been -STOCK
[05:41:21] <Aero-Tec> no error
[05:41:44] <Computer_Barf> what are you talking ubout?
[05:41:57] <Aero-Tec> but with new version I needed to change it to _STOCK
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[05:42:26] <Aero-Tec> a problem I was having
[05:42:31] <Computer_Barf> with?
[05:43:43] <Aero-Tec> thought #<TEST-1> WAS THE SAME AS #<TEST_1>
[05:43:58] <Aero-Tec> AS IT TURNS OUT IT IS NOT
[05:44:01] <Aero-Tec> OOPA
[05:44:06] <Aero-Tec> oops
[05:44:44] <Aero-Tec> could have had some very bad stuff happen
[05:46:09] <Aero-Tec> should say using - instead of _ was OK but I fined out it is not OK
[05:47:05] <Aero-Tec> missed the "I thought"
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[06:30:51] <Connor> OKay. Z-Axis conversion from acme to ballscrew done for the most part. I just need to replace the top bearing with a AC vs the original thrust bearing when the replacement arrives. Had to cut the standoff's from 2.5" to 2.1"
[06:31:13] <Connor> I've yet to test it under stepper power.. I'll do that after the AC bearing is installed.
[06:32:22] <Connor> Hey guys, which would you get.. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-Pc-Socket-Rail-Set-68101.html or http://www.harborfreight.com/3-pc-steel-socket-rail-set-68103.html
[06:32:48] <Connor> pricing being not being the determining factor.. not that the price is that much different..
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[06:42:58] <toastydeath> Connor, I've never had success with those
[06:43:09] <toastydeath> i'd get a metal container w/ lid
[06:43:16] <Connor> Either style? Plastic or Metal ?
[06:43:21] <toastydeath> i prefer metal
[06:43:24] <toastydeath> but plastic works
[06:43:26] <toastydeath> (until it breaks)
[06:43:46] <Connor> Plastic ones got higher reviews than metal ones oddly enough.
[06:44:34] <toastydeath> on HF? doesn't surprise me
[06:44:40] <Connor> Yes.
[06:44:51] <toastydeath> I'd honestly go somewhere else to buy that kind of thing
[06:45:02] <toastydeath> anything I plan on keeping/using routinely I don't get at HF
[06:45:16] <toastydeath> if it's something i need but very infrequently, HF all the way
[06:45:25] <toastydeath> if it breaks, then i know i use it enough to warrant getting something better
[06:46:16] <Connor> They have lifetime warranty. :) and they're not going to be abused.. just to keep my new alen sockets from being loose.
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[07:01:18] <cathode> i made my own holder for my hole saw bits i got
[07:01:44] <cathode> although for a bunch of socket drivers ... buying one would be more economical than making your own
[07:01:45] <cathode> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zb5pessvrqv4k6s/2014-11-21%2018.33.10.jpg?dl=0
[07:02:12] <cathode> my plan is to make a drawer unit to put next to my drill press with drawers that hold all of my drilling instruments
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[08:00:28] <Deejay> moin
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[08:01:35] <unfy> o/
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[08:17:16] <Deejay> \o/
[08:17:40] <syyl> \o
[08:20:05] <Deejay> as a german, i would be careful using the right arm ;)
[08:20:13] <syyl> thats the left arm
[08:20:20] <syyl> view from behind
[08:20:35] <syyl> ;)
[08:21:17] <Deejay> ^^
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[08:25:56] <unfy> o\ ? facepalm ?
[08:28:06] <syyl> :D
[08:28:09] <syyl> .o.
[08:28:16] <syyl> lost his arms
[08:29:39] <unfy> gonna try bootable cd in a few systems to check timings etc. electronics should all be here by wednesday \o/
[08:33:03] <Deejay> yay
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[10:11:46] <Swapper> Hi, i have a question regarding rigid tapping and if its a requierment to have a index pulse on the spindle compared to have it on the motor, i have a encoder + index on the motor but a belt reduction 1,75 ratio.
[10:12:31] <Swapper> i have previusly successfully rigid tapped when i had 1:1 rato, but i have now geared the spindle for more speed
[10:12:49] <Swapper> and im not shure if its going to work
[10:14:07] <rob_h> well it would work yes to answer the question but youd obvisly be the ratio out you say on pitch so youd not get the pitch you ask for
[10:14:48] <rob_h> if you had a mark on the spindle, i guess you could rescale the input back into linuxcnc to compensate for the ratio but mark pulse would give problems
[10:14:58] <archivist> so some maths required
[10:15:42] <archivist> rob_h, pics http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=ring+nut
[10:16:26] <rob_h> i guess it just egnoors the index after the first one it sees and follows A B channel so you can scale it.. not sure how you garuntee the same mark all the time?
[10:16:43] <rob_h> i guess if ur doing the hole once and dont want to peck tap it etc u can be fine
[10:18:07] <archivist> it is hard getting a bar price on the net, all the steel suppliers hide the prices
[10:18:27] <rob_h> thats becasue they want your phone number and take the last 6 digits
[10:18:49] <rob_h> ask them for britch steel and watch them tell you to F off haha
[10:19:04] <rob_h> becasue we have none
[10:21:52] <rob_h> id have to stand them up on the mill and machin the pegs on with no C axis on lathe
[10:22:54] <archivist> if you have indexing you should be able to do it in the sliding head
[10:23:16] <rob_h> every 15deg
[10:24:02] <archivist> I thought of another way yesterday, 15deg is ok needs 60 for the hex and 90 for the pegs
[10:25:01] <rob_h> yea your pegs are upstands so have to machine the metal away between them
[10:26:25] <archivist> yup can be done side or face just with side endmill needs more gcode ops
[10:27:16] <archivist> chines en8 3000$ a ton, I wonder what is costs over here
[10:27:26] <rob_h> en8 is cheap
[10:27:46] <rob_h> brought aload of 16T the other day
[10:27:50] <rob_h> 40lengths
[10:28:17] <Swapper> rob_h: But my speed output and so is scaled to show the spindle RPM, what input does g33.1 read from?
[10:28:22] <archivist> 32mm per part
[10:28:42] <rob_h> so scale the input to also show spindle RPM and not motor rpm
[10:28:53] <rob_h> input = encoder feedback
[10:29:28] <rob_h> 85ish from a bar
[10:29:35] <archivist> my hobbing machine is geared at both spindles :)
[10:29:53] <rob_h> we get 99% of steal from http://acentasteel.com/
[10:30:17] <rob_h> use to be macreadys steel
[10:30:22] <rob_h> now owned by tata
[10:30:45] <rob_h> most steel like EN8 etc will prob be spanish or other EU
[10:30:51] <rob_h> just ask for bright drawn
[10:30:55] <archivist> we used to use macready at the last day job
[10:31:19] <rob_h> even if you ask else where most of the suppliers go to macreadys steel
[10:32:29] <rob_h> ri better go do some work
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[10:36:14] <Swapper> rob_h: the rpm scale is showing the spindle rpm
[10:36:19] <Swapper> not the motor rpm
[10:36:49] <Swapper> so it might work as is but the threading would not match up if i ran multiple passes?
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[10:37:34] <Swapper> if the spindle is correctly scaled then the pitch should be right.
[10:37:41] <archivist> it likely not, use the right type of taps so you can do it in one pass
[10:37:53] <Swapper> yea i am
[10:38:08] <Swapper> multi pass tapping is not working to great on linuxcnc anyhow
[10:38:20] <Swapper> atleast not with my cam preprocessor
[10:38:35] <archivist> cam....
[10:38:51] <Tom_itx> could also be slop in an axis
[10:39:04] <Swapper> slop ?
[10:40:07] <archivist> backlash
[10:40:14] <archivist> lost motion
[10:40:19] <Tom_itx> ^^
[10:40:45] <Swapper> its not that i have a problem since i havent tested to do a rigid tap with the new belt configuration, only wanted to check before i start breaking taps
[10:40:59] <Swapper> i have minimal spindle backlash
[10:41:06] <Swapper> since its a HTD belt
[10:41:13] <Swapper> and a servomotor as spindle drive
[10:41:15] <Tom_itx> if you add the ratio from your spindle to the motor i see no reason it shouldn't work there
[10:41:49] <Tom_itx> it would be best to have the encoder off the spindle
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[10:43:42] <Swapper> yea but since i have a realy good encoder on the servo with index it seems like a weerd way to solve it i
[10:44:06] <Swapper> i have a scaling factor in the config
[10:44:07] <Swapper> [SPINDLE_9]
[10:44:07] <Swapper> ENCODER_SCALE = 9102
[10:44:07] <Swapper> OUTPUT_SCALE = 9720
[10:46:46] <Swapper> it realy should only be a software problem as i see it, maybe that the index pulse will be off since its not per turn
[10:47:00] <Swapper> but even that should be able to be solved in software?
[10:47:29] <Swapper> But probably easily solved with a sensor on the spindle for index
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[11:19:56] <miss0r> Hello people. I am constructing my own 5-axis cnc mill (mostly for engraving, but it should be able to handle soft materials for milling also). The B axis(tilting table) - I am wondering how many degrees it should be able to move from horizontal. i.e. is 90 degrees enough to do it like most mills or should it be more/less ? or is it completely individual?
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[11:21:55] <archivist> depends on what you want to make
[11:22:50] <archivist> often I find things not reaching in some way or other
[11:22:52] <miss0r> Well, it started out with me being unable to make complete bevel gears on my 3-axis :)
[11:23:27] <archivist> bevel is a special case too
[11:23:28] <miss0r> if you were to build an all around mill, how many angles would make it capable of ?
[11:24:20] <archivist> note the funny A axis angle http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[11:25:19] <miss0r> that is pretty funny :)
[11:25:21] <archivist> I am considering a 6 axis setup for bevels
[11:26:05] <miss0r> I am buuilding something that uses the same princible as this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Rotational-Axis-/261300449135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cd6b86f6f
[11:26:17] <miss0r> only I want mine to keep within certain tolerances :)
[11:26:20] <archivist> or 7 as I would like to move the A in/out along that axis
[11:27:11] <archivist> the maths to generate bevels is hairy
[11:27:24] <miss0r> indeed. i've done some reading.
[11:27:49] <miss0r> my main problem is the material left "underneath" the gear teeth. I want to remove that :)
[11:28:11] <archivist> you can settle for the crude Brown and Sharpe method
[11:28:34] <miss0r> but seeing as I have no experience with 5-axis milling what so ever, I was hoping to get some pointers. I am planning to learn as I go with the mill :)
[11:29:01] <miss0r> I have no idea what that is
[11:30:35] <archivist> google brown sharpe bevel gear method and the text is available
[11:31:18] <archivist> needs standard spur gear milling cutters
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[11:34:07] <miss0r> indeed.
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[13:59:52] <lair82> Good Morning Gentlemen, I have a question, how do you go about starting the spindle from MDI, using G96 CSS, and have it act properly, ( speed up and slow down based on the movement of the X axis on a lathe)?
[14:01:43] <JT-Shop> can you enter all the G codes on one line? G96 M3 Sn
[14:02:00] <_methods> g96 is modal
[14:02:10] <_methods> he shouldn't have to put it all on one line
[14:02:32] <_methods> or is that a linuxcnc CSS thing?
[14:02:35] <JT-Shop> only to g97
[14:02:43] <JT-Shop> they are in group 14
[14:02:52] <JT-Shop> it's a MDI think
[14:02:55] <JT-Shop> n
[14:02:57] <_methods> ahh
[14:03:05] <lair82> We tried a bunch of different things to get it to run properly, but regardless of what we tried, it would always start and stay at whatever the D value is.
[14:03:10] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:Modal-Groups
[14:03:20] <_methods> this is on a lathe correct?
[14:03:53] <lair82> Yep
[14:04:23] <JT-Shop> lair82, what are you trying to achieve?
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[14:04:42] <_methods> and what is your max rpm?
[14:04:47] <_methods> you may be maxing it out
[14:07:09] <lair82> Last week we were running a small batch of parts 10-12, and after 2-4 face cuts we were having to rotate the ceramic insert, so instead of re-running all the face cuts again, we were trying to start the spindle in css mode, so we could run-from-line and skip all the BS at the top of the program.
[14:07:15] <JT-Shop> seems to work for me when I jog in and out
[14:08:06] <lair82> They were pretty long face cuts, and there was no hours on the job, so we were trying to cut down on wasted time.
[14:08:11] <JT-Shop> I assume when you run from line you loose the MDI and the G code takes over
[14:08:55] <JT-Shop> seems logical to edit the program and insert the G96 and start from that line
[14:09:04] <lair82> This is happening even before we switch back to cutting mode on the control.
[14:09:55] <lair82> What version are you running JT-Shop?
[14:10:28] <JT-Shop> 2.6 here and I put G96 ... M3 then jogged the X axis in the lathe sim
[14:10:45] <lair82> We have the D value at 800rpm, the spindle is capable of 2240.
[14:10:54] <JT-Shop> I assume when you start run from line the interpreter gets reset
[14:11:25] <lair82> But its not even working in MDI jogging up and down.
[14:11:45] <JT-Shop> what version are you using?
[14:11:50] <lair82> And I'm on the latest 2.6.4
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[14:13:37] <JT-Shop> what is the S
[14:14:23] <lair82> 450
[14:15:32] <JT-Shop> works on the Axis lathe sim, after I get past 2" od it starts to slow down
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[14:16:46] <lair82> I will have to go out and play with the machine, see what I can come up with,
[14:16:50] <_methods> so is it staying maxed out at 2240?
[14:18:24] <lair82> No, we have the cap value D at 800, and when the machine is in cycle it never went over 270-280, btu when we try it from mdi, G96D800S450M3, it starts at 800, and stays there.
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[14:18:38] <_methods> yeah
[14:18:44] <lair82> And this was on roughly a 12" OD part
[14:20:05] <JT-Shop> where was X when you executed the MDI command?
[14:21:17] <lair82> We tried it at the start of the cutting point, about half way down the face, 3-4" above the part, and always saw the max 800 rpm
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[14:21:51] <skunkworks> someone else mentioned that issue
[14:22:17] <_methods> yeah you shouldn't be maxing out rpm until you get down to about 2"
[14:24:58] <skunkworks> lair82, could you post a bug report with an example in sim that reproduces it?
[14:25:41] <lair82> Can do, I will go out and verify everything and make sure, then report it.
[14:26:58] <lair82> Jokingly, if I asked for "jog while paused" in the feature request, what would the probable answer be?
[14:27:12] <_methods> hahaha
[14:27:22] <archivist> naughty boy
[14:29:21] <skunkworks> a couple people it seems (if you are not one of them...) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/54588/match=css
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[14:31:27] <lair82> The original person for that is actually the owner/my boss of our shop.
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[14:33:02] <JT-Shop> if you MDI G96 D800 S450 M3 and jog the X axis and the spindle speed doesn't change when you get past X2 something seems wrong
[14:34:21] <lair82> We are getting to crossroads, where we are going to be needing that utility, it won't be an option, on the VTL we bought last week. And also. if we had that functionality now, I would not of even bothered trying to start a CSS command from mdi, I would have simply paused the program at the end of a cut, jogged away, rotated the insert, then jogged back close to the stopping point, then resumed the program.
[14:39:20] <skunkworks> lair82, someone has wrote a offset dewey garret just wrote a modue that will allow you to do a limited jog while paused..
[14:39:31] <skunkworks> hal module
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[14:46:07] <cradek> do I understand right that the spindle DOES work in css mode after that mdi command, but the css mode goes away when you run-from-line?
[14:46:29] <cradek> (I know I've mdi'd css mode lots of times, but not recently)
[14:47:22] <cradek> er no that's not what you're saying
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[14:49:32] <cradek> I agree with JT-Shop that mdi of css mode (g96 s100 d666 m3, then jogging and seeing the spindle speed change according to radius) works in sim/axis/lathe
[14:50:59] <cradek> and it seems right: at s100 I get near 1000rpm at diameter 3/8
[14:52:04] <cradek> and then I can run-from-line the middle of the splash screen and it continues happily in CSS mode
[14:52:17] <roycroft> enco have free shipping through the 27th, including truck shipping
[14:52:31] <roycroft> order those surface plates and big lathes now
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[14:52:56] <_methods> i'm sure there is some small print on shipping weight
[14:53:53] <_methods> heheh discount cannot be applied to machinery
[14:54:01] <_methods> and under 125lbs
[14:54:13] <roycroft> it's only to the lower 48, and special services such as liftgate are not included
[14:54:15] <_methods> still vise
[14:54:15] <roycroft> that's the fine print
[14:54:31] <roycroft> they said "including truck shipping"
[14:54:45] <roycroft> <125 lbs is ups shipping
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[14:55:03] <roycroft> they don't do free truck shipping promos often, which is why i mentioned it
[14:55:09] <_methods> hmm
[14:55:10] <JT-Shop> lair82, an immediate solution is to have your post put G96 at the start of each pass so when you run from line you start there
[14:55:33] <cradek> JT-Shop: can you reproduce it?
[14:55:36] <_methods> i only see free ups shipping
[14:55:39] <roycroft> i got a kennedy roll-away earlier this year while kennedy had a big promo going on, and enco had free shipping at the time
[14:55:50] <roycroft> the promo code is "THANKS"
[14:56:03] <roycroft> i just got the email from them
[14:56:03] <_methods> cool thx
[14:56:14] <_methods> or should i say THANKS
[14:56:15] <JT-Shop> cradek, I only tested G96 in MDI and jogged X and it works as I expected it to
[14:56:35] <cradek> me too, and then I RFL'd the splash screen, and it stayed in css mode
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[14:59:27] <lair82> Just realized whats going on, in Axis, it works fine, in Gmoccapy, not so much. We use gmoccapy. What I found is, if you try to invoke the G96.... from MDI, it starts, and starts at the cap speed, regardless of where the x axis is at, if and when you go back to MDI, and enter g92x.....z....., then it will automatically kick the spindle down to whatever RPM it should be at for the given diameter is, it is sitting at, then speed up and
[15:00:19] <cradek> sorry, I have no idea what gmoccapy could be doing to mess this up
[15:01:25] <lair82> I will have to probably talk to Norbert and Chris to see what is going on then?
[15:01:30] <JT-Shop> it should be mandatory to state what version and GUI your using LOL
[15:01:48] <lair82> Sorry guys,,,
[15:02:01] <JT-Shop> lair82, did you seem my comment above?
[15:02:20] <JT-Shop> an immediate solution is to have your post put G96 at the start of each pass so when you run from line you start there
[15:02:45] <lair82> Yep, I will have to talk to the shop supervisor and see if they could modify that.
[15:03:08] <cradek> without knowing what the screwup is, it's not clear that will fix it
[15:03:21] <cradek> but you could sure try
[15:03:33] <JT-Shop> yea, worth a try
[15:06:06] <cradek> oh good, it works fine in touchy too :-)
[15:06:07] <lair82> Would a bug report directed at those guys be worth it?
[15:06:24] <cradek> sure, I think they are very responsive
[15:06:32] <lair82> ok
[15:08:01] <cradek> lair82: you are using a very new and very featureful gui - you might want to remember to try AXIS before reporting bugs - it narrows down the problem space a lot.
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[15:12:10] <lair82> cradek, thanks, I do forget that it can be totally un-related from one gui to another, and the fact that most all development is done in Axis.
[15:14:13] <lair82> What "Milestone" should I put that under, 2.6?
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[15:15:10] <JT-Shop> lair82, you might get faster response from the forum they are very active therer
[15:15:51] <lair82> Very true,
[15:16:00] * Loetmichel was eating yesterday while playing elite... "ih, s straigt bit of flightpath" *let go if the stick, gets fork, eating thre mouthful* "damn, getting interdicted" *drops fork, back to stick, killing the enemy*... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15404
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[15:16:13] <JT-Shop> I'm not saying to not file a bug report but also mention it on the forum
[15:17:38] <Loetmichel> <- needs to build an automatic fork that shoves bits to mouth without the need of hands ;-)
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[15:20:42] <ssi> lol
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[15:21:51] <_methods> heheh
[15:21:53] <_methods> get a robot arm
[15:22:06] <_methods> voice activated
[15:22:12] <_methods> feed me seymour
[15:23:08] <Loetmichel> *yes*
[15:23:23] <Loetmichel> but you dont want mME singing that tune ;-9
[15:24:23] <lair82> Yep, I'm going to hit both places
[15:25:19] <ssi> lair82: do yall still have the other two atom boards?
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[15:25:54] <lair82> The Gigabyte boards?
[15:25:56] <ssi> yea
[15:27:37] <lair82> I do have 2 left, no boxes, one was in a machine running, and removed to upgrade to the new Asrock board, and the other was on its way into a machine, and never made it.
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[15:28:06] <lair82> Interested?
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[15:28:23] <ssi> yea if you can do them for the same price as the last two I want them
[15:28:36] <ssi> I lost one of the last two, and the other is questionable
[15:29:33] <lair82> $40 a piece sound good, thats what I sold them for last time
[15:29:43] <ssi> er :P
[15:30:04] <lair82> ???
[15:30:11] <ssi> I gave you $55 shipped for the last two :)
[15:31:27] <lair82> No problem, $55 for them, its been a crazy last couple of weeks, couldn't remember, 40 stuck in my head for some reason
[15:31:53] <ssi> ok cool
[15:32:02] <ssi> I need to get a mailbox, I'll let you know when I have the new address
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[15:33:17] <lair82> Ok let me know, and we will get them out. I will get an invoice out today if you like?
[15:33:21] <ssi> sure thing
[15:33:26] <lair82> Ok
[15:38:59] <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to know a vendor in the UK for ~6mm glass-reinforced polymer threaded rod?
[15:39:36] <SpeedEvil> (no, I'm not using it for axes)
[15:40:09] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Automation-Servo-Robot-CY700-/291212683117?
[15:40:13] <_methods> $1200
[15:40:23] <_methods> might make a cool plasma table
[15:41:25] <ssi> XY is small, but the Z travel is excessive
[15:41:29] <_methods> yeah
[15:41:32] <_methods> but for $1200
[15:41:46] <_methods> already put together
[15:41:51] <ssi> sure
[15:41:56] <_methods> just attach a torch and height control
[15:42:17] <_methods> i don't have the room in my garage lol
[15:42:22] <_methods> otherwise i'd be all over that
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[15:49:16] <cradek> lair82: you should probably add what you did to test in AXIS and what you saw to confirm that it works correctly there
[15:49:35] <cpresser> has anyone tried to modify such a probe: http://www.ebay.de/itm/121429692476 ? i want to attach a cable and hook it up to linuxcnc
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[15:50:02] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/hvo/4775505219.html
[15:50:07] <ssi> I need a manual lathe
[15:50:09] <ssi> but that looks fun
[15:50:44] <_methods> wasino makes great lathes
[15:50:47] <_methods> usually small stuff
[15:50:51] <_methods> high production
[15:50:54] <PetefromTn_> cpresser Dunno but I have one of those here never use it.
[15:51:10] <ssi> it'd be silly since I already have the HNC and I don't really need another small parts / chucker
[15:51:21] <ssi> I was talking to this guy yesterday:
[15:51:21] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/hvo/4775505219.html
[15:51:26] <ssi> SB 10 would be nice to have
[15:52:01] <_methods> same guy?
[15:52:09] <ssi> no
[15:52:13] <cradek> cpresser: how much overtravel does it allow?
[15:52:32] <PetefromTn_> considered cutting it an making it into a probe but I honestly did not think it would be better than a true probe
[15:52:36] <cradek> and how does it work exactly?
[15:52:49] <_methods> oh you just posted the same link
[15:52:54] <ssi> oh I did?
[15:52:58] <ssi> sry one sec
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[15:53:03] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/tls/4774885100.html
[15:53:20] <ssi> at that price it's probably worth getting for the tooling alone :P
[15:53:20] <_methods> hehe much better lol
[15:53:44] <ssi> might go look at it tonight
[15:53:52] <cpresser> cradek: overtravel? i dont know what that is :/
[15:53:52] <_methods> $1800 is fair price
[15:54:04] <_methods> depending on how it looks
[15:54:16] <ssi> he sent me a couple pics
[15:54:17] <_methods> no pic so you gotta wonder what kind of shape its in
[15:54:19] <ssi> hang on I'll put one up
[15:54:46] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3N9f9VIcAAe1kx.jpg:large
[15:55:02] <_methods> shit looks good
[15:55:05] <cpresser> spending 25€ doesnt seem to bad, its not a big loss if the device is crap
[15:55:09] <_methods> i'd hit that
[15:55:18] <ssi> yea I'm considering it :)
[15:55:25] <ssi> nice thing is it won't be a freakin project
[15:55:31] <ssi> no control to retrofit haha
[15:55:46] <_methods> it would be a crime to convert that
[15:55:53] <ssi> oh no I wouldn't consider it
[15:55:56] <ssi> I mean vs buying that wasino
[15:55:59] <_methods> save the conversions for chinese junk
[15:56:05] <_methods> yeah
[15:56:13] <ssi> do you know what the spindle bore is on the sb10?
[15:56:33] <_methods> depends on the model i think
[15:57:23] <PetefromTn_> http://greenville.craigslist.org/tls/4772547736.html Neato
[15:57:29] <_methods> the 10k is 55/64"
[15:57:38] <_methods> the 10L is 1-13/32
[15:57:52] <_methods> 10R is 1"
[15:58:12] <_methods> not sure if that is trustworthy info
[15:58:17] <ssi> the spindle bore was a very useful 13/8" - thought a seldom-found small-bore version, the 10R, was also marketed.
[15:58:18] <_methods> i just saw it on some forum
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[15:59:39] <ssi> yea I think I'm gonna go look at it this afternoon
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[17:51:15] <zeeshan-laptop> dun dun dun
[17:51:24] <zeeshan-laptop> i scored an awesome machine!
[17:51:45] <ssi> wat
[17:52:07] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.riverroadmachinery.com/viewitem.asp?itemid=305
[17:52:19] <zeeshan-laptop> i dont have pics of mine (not home)
[17:52:22] <zeeshan-laptop> got that baby for 100 bux
[17:52:48] <zeeshan-laptop> drill bit sharpening got easier :D
[17:52:55] <zeeshan-laptop> only goes to 1.25"
[17:53:04] <zeeshan-laptop> will still need to do the bigger bits by hand
[17:53:24] <ssi> neat
[17:53:36] <ssi> I'm gonna go look at a southbend 10 tonight
[17:53:45] <zeeshan-laptop> dont you have enough lathes
[17:53:49] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[17:53:51] <ssi> I sold my manual lathe
[17:53:55] <zeeshan-laptop> o
[17:54:07] <zeeshan-laptop> use your chnc
[17:54:08] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[17:54:17] <ssi> can't do rifle work on a hnc
[17:54:21] <zeeshan-laptop> yea too small
[17:54:23] <zeeshan-laptop> :/
[17:54:23] <ssi> can do it on the grizzly, but it's not ideal
[17:54:33] <ssi> plus there's just lots of stuff where manual is better
[17:54:42] <Connor> OKay. Z-Axis conversion from acme to ballscrew done for the most part. I just need to replace the top bearing with a AC vs the original thrust bearing when the replacement arrives. Had to cut the standoff's from 2.5" to 2.1"
[17:54:45] <zeeshan-laptop> manual is never better!
[17:54:50] <Connor> I've yet to test it under stepper power.. I'll do that after the AC bearing is installed.
[17:54:51] <zeeshan-laptop> ill never go back manual againnn
[17:54:55] <zeeshan-laptop> only thing i miss is feedback
[17:54:58] <zeeshan-laptop> but i just rely on sound now
[17:55:26] <zeeshan-laptop> manual is better at being cheap!
[17:55:26] <Connor> Hey guys, which would you get.. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-Pc-Socket-Rail-Set-68101.html or http://www.harborfreight.com/3-pc-steel-socket-rail-set-68103.html pricing being not being the determining factor.. not that the price is that much different..
[17:55:28] <zeeshan-laptop> =D
[17:55:49] <zeeshan-laptop> you wanna organize your sockets
[17:55:55] <zeeshan-laptop> is this going in a tool chest?
[17:56:39] <Rab> The cheaper one looks like it might actually be more corrosion-resistant..."chrome plated steel"
[17:57:04] <Rab> Oh, I get it. The more expensive one uses plastic retainers.
[17:57:18] * zeeshan-laptop http://www.kmart.com/mag-clip-magnetic-socket-storage-mat-with-84/p-00917719000P
[17:57:26] <zeeshan-laptop> i use that
[17:57:34] <zeeshan-laptop> inside the tool drawers
[17:57:43] <Rab> I hate the cheap metal spring retainers. They always get bent or lose tension. I'd choose the $3.99 plastic version (and see how and when that fails).
[17:57:52] <zeeshan-laptop> rab yea theyak
[17:57:53] <zeeshan-laptop> *sak
[17:57:59] <zeeshan-laptop> magnet ftw
[17:58:39] <Rab> Hmm, never seen the magnetic type before. Does it ever magnetize the sockets?
[17:58:53] <zeeshan-laptop> i havent really noticed it doing that
[17:59:01] <zeeshan-laptop> on a random note
[17:59:07] <Connor> Yea, i was thinking maybe the plastic ones too.. they get better reviews..
[17:59:09] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna snap next time a student calls and end mill a drill bit
[17:59:12] <zeeshan-laptop> driving me insane
[17:59:22] <zeeshan-laptop> *an
[17:59:43] <Rab> zeeshan-laptop, haha, tell them the proper term is "drill" and not "drill bit".
[17:59:53] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna drill em
[18:00:13] <ssi> zeeshan-laptop: someone last week asked me if I needed "milling blades"
[18:00:14] <zeeshan-laptop> so glad this is this is the last week of groups i have to deal with
[18:00:19] <zeeshan-laptop> i start a new ta assignment next semester
[18:00:21] <Connor> This is primarily for the new Metric / SAE Hex Socket drivers I purchased from HF. The thingie they came on isn't suitable to for a rack. WAY too hard to get them off..
[18:00:24] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi rofl
[18:00:42] <zeeshan-laptop> well at least they dont call it a drill bit
[18:00:45] <Connor> blades? Milling Blades ?
[18:00:47] <zeeshan-laptop> like cmon the name implies its drilling
[18:00:48] <ssi> yeah I hate that
[18:00:50] <zeeshan-laptop> like fuck
[18:00:55] <ssi> Connor: I assume he meant endmills, but I'm not really sure
[18:01:19] <zeeshan-laptop> milling blades sounds like slitting blades
[18:01:35] <Rab> ssi, surfacing cutter? ^_^
[18:01:54] <ssi> you're overthinking it :)
[18:02:13] <Connor> FYI.. Looking for cheap stuff that wife can get my for Christmas.. need to be specific.
[18:02:15] <Rab> These magnetic mats are expensive.
[18:02:28] <zeeshan-laptop> connor drugs
[18:02:31] <zeeshan-laptop> and hookers
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[18:02:41] <Connor> I figure 2 of those.. and 2 of these http://www.shars.com/products/view/1403/Universal_Magnetic_Base
[18:02:44] <Connor> might be good.
[18:02:49] <ssi> Connor: DTIs and bases are good choices
[18:02:51] <ssi> lol beat me to it
[18:03:08] <zeeshan-laptop> your wife is giving you 10$ of presents?
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[18:03:18] <zeeshan-laptop> wut
[18:03:39] <ssi> I have a couple of these relatively cheap tenths indicators and they're handy
[18:03:39] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1967/008quot_Dial_Test_Indicator_0001quot
[18:04:02] <ssi> and I like these bases too
[18:04:03] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1429/Mini_Universal_Magnetic_Base_with_030quot_0005_Black_Face_Dial_Test_Indicator
[18:04:09] <zeeshan-laptop> wtf
[18:04:09] <Connor> zeeshan-laptop: Dude, I'm hard to shop for. typically, if I want it.. I buy it.. and I want expensive stuff that I have to save up for.. You not being Married, you probably don't understand. :)
[18:04:11] <zeeshan-laptop> thats expensive!
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[18:04:25] <ssi> and I use one of these for tramming these days
[18:04:25] <zeeshan-laptop> connor i'm common low
[18:04:25] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1456/Test_Indicator_Holder_Arm_Only
[18:04:26] <zeeshan-laptop> law
[18:04:28] <LeelooMinai> You can buy them for 1/3 price on aliexpress:)
[18:04:29] <zeeshan-laptop> marriage is for suckers
[18:04:29] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[18:04:35] <zeeshan-laptop> jk
[18:04:59] <Connor> ssi: I have a .0005" DTI
[18:05:00] <zeeshan-laptop> you can grab a mitutoyo 25 thou 0.0001 for 50 bux
[18:05:01] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[18:05:11] <ssi> zeeshan-laptop: where?
[18:05:13] <LeelooMinai> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-magnetic-lever-dialgauge-base-depth-gauge-shelf-dial-indicator-gauge-stand-Quaranteed-100/531994889.html
[18:05:18] <zeeshan-laptop> kijiji!! :P
[18:05:28] <ssi> too many dots in a row
[18:05:30] <ssi> does not trust
[18:05:32] <zeeshan-laptop> hahah
[18:05:40] <zeeshan-laptop> i have too many
[18:05:48] <ssi> LeelooMinai: that's exactly the same price as shars :P
[18:05:51] <zeeshan-laptop> one thing isaw in a youtube video that i dont have
[18:05:54] <zeeshan-laptop> is this:
[18:05:55] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1407/135_Lbs_Holder_Power_Magnetic_Base
[18:05:59] <ssi> ok it's $2 cheaper
[18:06:21] <ssi> except it has to be shipped from china
[18:07:26] <LeelooMinai> A< ok, the other one was with dial indicator
[18:08:05] <ssi> shars really isn't terrible pricewise for chinese tooling that ships from the US relatively quickly
[18:08:17] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ju8AAOSwD0lUcU-5/$_57.JPG
[18:08:20] <zeeshan-laptop> i need!!!!!
[18:08:25] <zeeshan-laptop> its a bad ass style!
[18:08:35] <ssi> lol
[18:08:42] <zeeshan-laptop> ive never seen that before
[18:08:58] <LeelooMinai> Never been to a museum?
[18:09:14] <zeeshan-laptop> LeelooMinai: go buy some chinese tools
[18:09:25] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[18:09:27] <LeelooMinai> I already have many:)
[18:09:40] <ssi> Connor: do you have a coaxial indicator set?
[18:09:48] <zeeshan-laptop> i has a blake
[18:09:53] <zeeshan-laptop> i rarely ever use that thing
[18:09:55] <Connor> No, Just a zero set for the DTI
[18:10:06] <ssi> I use my coaxial fairly often
[18:10:08] <Connor> I *DO* have a digital probe..
[18:10:10] <ssi> picking up bores and such
[18:10:11] <zeeshan-laptop> for what
[18:10:14] <zeeshan-laptop> hm
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[18:10:22] <Connor> I just need to get it calibrated.
[18:10:25] <zeeshan-laptop> im so used to doing it in quadrant mode
[18:10:33] <zeeshan-laptop> with a indicator base
[18:10:34] <zeeshan-laptop> :P
[18:10:39] <zeeshan-laptop> cause the base is always on the machine
[18:11:01] <zeeshan-laptop> LeelooMinai: find a cheapo haimer 3d indiator
[18:11:03] <zeeshan-laptop> from aliexpress
[18:11:17] <zeeshan-laptop> i cant justify spending 500 bux on that thing
[18:11:19] <Connor> I'm not too sure I like my probe.. it seams hard to get it calibrated.
[18:11:23] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-513-403-0001-Horizontal-Indicator/dp/B001C11U5K/ref=sr_1_5?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1416852663&sr=1-5&keywords=mitutoyo+0.0001
[18:11:39] <Connor> and I'm afraid it will loose it's calibration.
[18:11:41] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi for that price
[18:11:44] <zeeshan-laptop> f that chinese nonsense
[18:12:14] <ssi> mitu isn't chinese nonsense :P
[18:12:26] <zeeshan-laptop> im talking about the 50 bux shars one
[18:12:38] <ssi> eh I paid like $37 for them
[18:12:46] <Connor> I got one like this.. http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=69&products_id=322 direct from the guy who makes it.
[18:12:46] <zeeshan-laptop> seriously ive got both
[18:12:52] <zeeshan-laptop> they are a piece of shit
[18:12:58] <zeeshan-laptop> they have error through their travel
[18:13:01] <LeelooMinai> I have this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Digital-Dial-Indicator-DTI-High-Precision-Measuring-Tools-0-001mm-0-12-7m/32224019782.html
[18:13:06] <zeeshan-laptop> the 1" had 6 thou over the 1"
[18:13:29] <ssi> I don't like digital indicators
[18:13:32] <LeelooMinai> I bought it with intention of getting at the protocol so I can read what it measures inside linuxcnc
[18:13:33] <ssi> they always die when I need them most
[18:13:41] <zeeshan-laptop> i like the ones with the analog meter on em
[18:14:02] <ssi> I'd like to have a good quality set of digital calipers just for quick inch/mm conversion and such
[18:14:10] <ssi> but mostly I prefer regular dial calipers and indicators
[18:14:16] <LeelooMinai> Since it has small port on the side - I already found connectors for it
[18:14:47] <zeeshan-laptop> hey another person who likes dial calipers
[18:14:48] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[18:14:57] <zeeshan-laptop> something about a mechanical link
[18:14:59] <zeeshan-laptop> vs digital
[18:15:06] <LeelooMinai> When I figure it out I should be able to, say, map the whole XY table automatically
[18:15:14] <ssi> there's some handy things you can do with a digital
[18:15:20] <ssi> like distance to go
[18:15:47] <Connor> I Clamped my Digital Calipers to my 7x10 last night to finish up those standoff's
[18:15:48] <zeeshan-laptop> i use the dial calipers on the lathe
[18:16:02] <ssi> I ought to buy myself a nice mitu digital caliper just to have for stuff like that
[18:16:10] <ssi> the cheap digital calipers suck hard
[18:16:14] <zeeshan-laptop> i got a 8" and 6" mitutoyo
[18:16:18] <zeeshan-laptop> found that stuff cheap
[18:16:21] <zeeshan-laptop> but dude
[18:16:24] <Connor> made it contact the saddle, and zeroed it.. and took off .200 from one side.. flipped it, and .215 from the other.
[18:16:29] <zeeshan-laptop> ive compared those cheapo hf calipers vs mitutoyo
[18:16:35] <zeeshan-laptop> they're the same shit.
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[18:16:42] <ssi> eh I dunno
[18:16:43] <zeeshan-laptop> i tried measuring gauge blocks
[18:16:50] <LeelooMinai> You can buy whole set:) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-3pcs-set-mitutoyo-micrometer-0-25mm-0-01-digital-caliper-0-150mm-0-01/2047329402.html?s=p
[18:16:52] <ssi> maybe in terms of accuracy
[18:16:59] <Connor> mitutoyo have carbide jaws ?
[18:16:59] <ssi> but the hf ones get flaky
[18:17:04] <ssi> the battery fingers lose their spring
[18:17:10] <_methods> hahahahahahha
[18:17:15] <_methods> mitutoyo same as hf
[18:17:18] <_methods> now that's funny
[18:17:23] <zeeshan-laptop> connor mine doesnt
[18:17:30] <zeeshan-laptop> _method vernier caliper wise
[18:17:35] <zeeshan-laptop> theyre the same.
[18:17:40] <Connor> I think Pete has a pair that does.
[18:17:41] <roycroft> how many gauge blocks did you measure?
[18:17:42] <zeeshan-laptop> in terms of absolute precision
[18:17:44] <zeeshan-laptop> a lot
[18:17:48] <_methods> hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahah
[18:18:01] <ssi> Connor: yea petes are nice
[18:18:21] <zeeshan-laptop> mines the absolute digimatic
[18:18:24] <zeeshan-laptop> the yellow black
[18:18:27] <zeeshan-laptop> not the fancy ip65 ones
[18:18:49] <roycroft> i dropped my starret dial caliper a while back
[18:18:57] <roycroft> i haven't sent it in for repair yet
[18:19:02] <zeeshan-laptop> starrett is just a rebranded hf caliper
[18:19:06] <roycroft> first time i ever dropped a semi-precision measuring too
[18:19:06] <ssi> roycroft: I have like three calipers that need to be sent in
[18:19:08] <roycroft> l
[18:19:09] <zeeshan-laptop> made in china
[18:19:16] <roycroft> i've been using chinese ones in the interim
[18:19:19] <roycroft> and i hate them
[18:19:23] <zeeshan-laptop> why
[18:19:32] <roycroft> nowhere near as smooth as the starret
[18:19:35] <ssi> I know I have a B&S 6" and a mitu 6" that need repair
[18:19:41] <ssi> and I think there's a third but I'm not sure offhand
[18:19:50] <ssi> I loved the B&S too
[18:19:55] <zeeshan-laptop> ill make a video for you fux that dont believe me :(
[18:19:57] <Connor> My inside jaws on my cheapie are way off..
[18:19:58] <ssi> they got screwy somewhere in the rack and pinion
[18:20:00] <roycroft> i should send that thing in - they quoted me $65 to repair/calibrate
[18:20:08] <ssi> probably worth it
[18:20:13] <_methods> don't waste your time lol
[18:20:16] <_methods> i won't watch it
[18:20:19] <zeeshan-laptop> exactly
[18:20:23] <zeeshan-laptop> cause your biased
[18:20:31] <roycroft> maybe i'll buy one of those nice mitutoyo calipers with the black face
[18:20:34] <zeeshan-laptop> trust me i hate buying chinese stuff
[18:20:39] <zeeshan-laptop> but credit needs to given where its due
[18:20:41] <roycroft> and still get the starrett repaired
[18:20:54] <ssi> roycroft: never hurts to have more!
[18:21:00] <roycroft> and chain the chinese ones to my drill/end mill dispensers
[18:21:16] <roycroft> i like using dial calipers to measure drill bits
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[18:21:29] <roycroft> i know some folks use those drill index cards, but i find calipers a lot faster
[18:21:33] <zeeshan-laptop> at our school we have this
[18:21:50] <zeeshan-laptop> http://ecatalog.mitutoyo.com/Digimatic-Carbon-Fiber-Caliper-Series-552-with-Optional-Jaw-Attachments-C1602.aspx
[18:21:52] <zeeshan-laptop> carbon fiber :D
[18:21:53] <roycroft> i have a little plastic cup on top of my drill dispenser
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[18:22:01] <roycroft> when i use a drill bit i stick it back in the cup
[18:22:16] <roycroft> when the cup gets fairly full i inspect and resharpen as necessary, then refile the bits
[18:22:21] <Connor> I picked up a 1" starret Micrometer from a estate sale for $10.00
[18:22:28] <_methods> nice find
[18:22:47] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/X5hwdzy.gif
[18:22:48] <LeelooMinai> I found mitutoyo micrometer in my basement once - beat that:)
[18:22:52] <roycroft> i have three chinese calipers, all different
[18:22:58] <roycroft> and they all feel like they're full of sand
[18:23:17] <ssi> Connor: a few years ago, when I was first getting into machinework
[18:23:22] <zeeshan-laptop> roycroft: this style?
[18:23:26] <ssi> I came across a table at a gunshow, and a guy was selling dial calipers
[18:23:32] <ssi> he had like ten of them
[18:23:35] <ssi> all brand name
[18:23:36] <LeelooMinai> But it's one of those where you have to do calculations to figure out what it is measuring
[18:23:38] <ssi> for $10 apiece
[18:23:40] <zeeshan-laptop> http://canadiantire.ugc.bazaarvoice.com/9045/334658/photo.jpg
[18:23:43] <ssi> I bought a mitu and a B&S
[18:23:46] <ssi> I wish I'd bought all of them
[18:23:52] <ssi> all in cases
[18:23:55] <Connor> Did he know what he had ?
[18:23:58] <ssi> yeah
[18:24:06] <ssi> sorta...
[18:24:07] <roycroft> no, i don't like those fancy electrical ones
[18:24:09] <ssi> he was a reloading guy
[18:24:18] <Tom_itx> probably used lightly
[18:24:35] <ssi> eh, they were fairly well used, but still perfectly serviceable
[18:24:37] <zeeshan-laptop> oh okay
[18:24:49] <zeeshan-laptop> thats the style that is same as mitutoyo
[18:24:51] <Tom_itx> not used for measuring the width of grinding wheels while they're running
[18:25:03] <ssi> haha I'd slap someone if I saw them doing that
[18:25:06] <zeeshan-laptop> rofl
[18:25:08] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:25:11] <roycroft> more like this:
[18:25:13] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dial-Caliper-0-4-0-001-Depth-OD-1-0-ID-0-5-Face-White-Stainless-Steel-/331346516287
[18:25:20] <Connor> the Micrometer was in the box, with it's accuracy certificate
[18:25:21] <roycroft> i have 1 4" and a couple 6"
[18:25:22] <zeeshan-laptop> o
[18:25:22] <LeelooMinai> That measurement would get bigger pretty fast:)
[18:25:24] <_methods> hahahahah i caught one of the welders in my shop using a guys mic's as clamps
[18:25:25] <roycroft> and they're all crap
[18:25:28] <ssi> I'm guilty of using a caliper to scribe a line on a running part in a lathe
[18:25:33] <ssi> but I try to stick to the HF calipers for that :)
[18:25:45] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi i do that all the time
[18:25:49] <zeeshan-laptop> thats what the chinese ones are for
[18:25:49] <Connor> ssi: You can do that with those Pete has.. carbide tipped. :)
[18:25:49] <zeeshan-laptop> :DF
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[18:26:07] <ssi> yeah, but even with the carbide tips I'd still rather not use my $150 calipers for that :)
[18:26:16] <LeelooMinai> I use calipers to scribe lines sometimes too - but inly lightly and on a sharpie mark I made
[18:26:28] <roycroft> i would not use a good dial caliper like that, even with carbide tips
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[18:26:45] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai yeah me too, i just regrind the tip when it gets dull
[18:26:52] <ssi> roycroft: who quoted you $65 for that repair?
[18:27:01] <roycroft> starrett
[18:27:03] <Tom_itx> </sarchasm>
[18:27:06] <_methods> hehe
[18:27:14] <roycroft> and that includes return postage
[18:27:22] <ssi> is a sarchasm a yawning gulf which separates our understanding of humor?
[18:27:34] <LeelooMinai> Tom_itx: Sharpie mark is not that abrasive:p
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[18:28:21] <Tom_itx> get some dykem blue instead
[18:28:26] <Tom_itx> prettier
[18:28:40] <ssi> you can get it in spray cans which is pretty convenient if you don't mind painting your lathe :)
[18:28:45] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:28:52] <ssi> I had a can of red
[18:28:58] <Tom_itx> red's ok too
[18:29:00] <ssi> cause I'm a rebel like that
[18:29:05] <roycroft> i like the little bottles with the brush in the lid
[18:29:09] <roycroft> i use both red and blue
[18:29:18] <ssi> is there a difference other than color?
[18:29:21] <Tom_itx> no
[18:29:22] <roycroft> no
[18:29:23] <LeelooMinai> ssi: With red you won't be able to tell it apart from your blood:)
[18:29:33] <ssi> so why do you sometimes use one or the other?
[18:29:34] <ssi> just curious
[18:29:43] <Tom_itx> preference i suppose
[18:29:48] <roycroft> red seems to show up better on aluminium
[18:29:51] <roycroft> and blue on steel
[18:29:53] <roycroft> to my eye at least
[18:29:58] <ssi> ah
[18:30:09] <roycroft> it's all about the best contrast
[18:30:32] <_methods> it's all about the bass
[18:30:43] <ssi> it's all about the benjamins
[18:30:46] <roycroft> billy big mouth bass?
[18:30:47] <Tom_itx> use penetrant dye and then you can see your marks under blacklight
[18:31:02] <ssi> Tom_itx: that shit's expensive :P
[18:31:24] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/magnaflux.php?clickkey=22059
[18:31:46] <Tom_itx> yeah but you need it to check your parts
[18:31:58] <zeeshan-laptop> i never understood the point of magnafluxing?
[18:32:08] <Tom_itx> checks for cracks
[18:32:12] <zeeshan-laptop> yea
[18:32:12] <ssi> non-destructive testing for cracks
[18:32:14] <zeeshan-laptop> but cant you see em
[18:32:15] <ssi> super critical for aerospace
[18:32:18] <zeeshan-laptop> with just regular paint
[18:32:18] <roycroft> no
[18:32:20] <roycroft> not always
[18:32:39] <roycroft> if you can see the cracks the piece is almost beyond repair, arguably
[18:32:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-laptop, no
[18:32:51] <zeeshan-laptop> ive seen ultrasonic
[18:32:52] <zeeshan-laptop> and xray
[18:33:00] <ssi> eddy current inspection too
[18:33:03] <ssi> all sorts of fun methods
[18:33:05] <zeeshan-laptop> but magnafluxing is popular on engine decks
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[18:33:19] <roycroft> on cast iron ones
[18:34:19] <Connor> So, Someone want to explain to me, how the heck I could mess up the ball cage in a AC bearing AFTER it was installed ?
[18:34:33] <ssi> chip?
[18:34:43] <Tom_itx> over reving it
[18:34:48] <Tom_itx> or shit in the bearings
[18:34:52] <Tom_itx> err stuff
[18:34:54] <LeelooMinai> Smashing it with a hammer so it fits better?
[18:35:08] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oag_fnwG5F4/maxresdefault.jpg
[18:35:12] <zeeshan-laptop> like shit like that
[18:35:17] <zeeshan-laptop> i can see that crck with my eye
[18:35:20] <zeeshan-laptop> do you really need magnafluxing.
[18:35:42] <Tom_itx> yeah but can you see the other crack
[18:35:52] <Tom_itx> across the water channel from the obvious one?
[18:35:57] <zeeshan-laptop> yea
[18:36:06] <Connor> No Chip, No Hammer. MAYBE over tightening it.. but.. it looked like it was just on one side.
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[18:36:51] <Connor> This was the lower bearing on the Z which has no bearing pocket.. it does have a shim under it.. I'm wondering of maybe the shim got off center and caused issues.
[18:37:19] <Tom_itx> maybe it was doomed from the start
[18:37:38] <Connor> THAT's what I'm assuming.. sent VXB a email.
[18:37:54] <Connor> I moved the top bearing to the lower.. and used the original thrust bearing on the top... for now..
[18:37:56] <Connor> it works..
[18:38:03] <Tom_itx> was it one with folded tabs?
[18:38:08] <Tom_itx> maybe a tab broke off
[18:38:09] <_methods> i was wondering about that setup
[18:38:13] <Connor> No.
[18:38:14] <_methods> i was just modeling that up last night
[18:38:24] <Connor> http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit10012
[18:38:27] <_methods> did you use the needle bearing on the lower part of Z
[18:38:31] <Connor> that's the bearing.
[18:38:40] <_methods> the top one
[18:38:58] <Connor> _methods: No, Just two AC bearings.. back to back with the top plate between.
[18:39:16] <_methods> is this for x2 minimill build?
[18:39:24] <Connor> No, G0704
[18:39:28] <_methods> oh
[18:39:31] <_methods> nm then lol
[18:39:48] <_methods> sounds like a similar z build though
[18:39:54] <_methods> with the needle bearing below
[18:39:55] <Connor> I need some sort of shim to go around the bearing though.. it's 25mm, but the bearing pocket is like 26.3mm
[18:40:15] <_methods> make a sleeve?
[18:40:19] <Connor> _methods: Originally, it had a brass bushing below and a single thrust bearing on top.
[18:40:34] <_methods> which build model is this?
[18:40:43] <_methods> aren't the x2 and the 0704 similar in design?
[18:40:49] <Connor> No.
[18:40:50] <ssi> not at all
[18:40:53] <_methods> ahh
[18:40:54] <ssi> 704 is a BF20
[18:40:57] <_methods> kk
[18:41:01] <Connor> BF25
[18:41:11] <_methods> i was gonna get an 0704 but the x2 is just too cheap lol
[18:41:25] <ssi> the X2 is way way way less machine than a 704
[18:41:27] <_methods> and i just use it to play around
[18:41:30] <ssi> the 704 is bigger than an X3
[18:41:33] <_methods> ahhh
[18:41:42] <_methods> yeah the price was way bigger too lol
[18:41:55] <Connor> http://www.mcmaster.com/#bearing-shim-rings/=uqj2k2
[18:42:13] <Connor> Maybe one of those will work.. now to figure out which one...
[18:42:21] <Connor> Any idea how these work ?
[18:42:45] <_methods> they call out the bore dia
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[18:43:07] <_methods> what is what'd you say the bearing pocket was?
[18:43:35] <_methods> looks like they don't have one sized for what you need
[18:43:37] <Connor> Somewhere around 26.3mm I need to go back and
[18:43:38] <_methods> that sux
[18:43:40] <Connor> check
[18:43:53] <_methods> it goes from 23.9-23.97
[18:44:00] <_methods> then jumps to 27.88-27.96
[18:44:48] <Connor> Wait.. 35mm bearing.. not 25mm
[18:44:55] <Connor> 36.3mm or so oversized..
[18:45:12] <_methods> http://www.mcmaster.com/#2896k15/=uqj436
[18:45:14] <_methods> 36.88
[18:45:33] <Connor> I'll have to go and double check the pocket size.
[18:48:40] <_methods> hmm that g0463 looks pretty nice too
[18:49:06] <Connor> _methods: that's the X3
[18:49:09] <_methods> ahhh
[18:49:15] <Connor> stay away from it. Open Column in the back
[18:49:20] <_methods> ahhh
[18:49:37] <_methods> i'll just stick with my little x2
[18:49:42] <Connor> and If memory serves, you have to mount the Z ball screw on the side.
[18:50:25] <_methods> i don't have any real work for any of my stuff it's all just toys
[18:52:08] <_methods> i had no idea grizzly had full knee mills
[18:52:16] <ssi> yeah, way too much money tho :/
[18:52:18] <_methods> damn they got a cnc
[18:52:27] <_methods> 12 tool atc
[18:52:28] <_methods> lol
[18:52:45] <_methods> https://www.grizzly.com/outlet/CNC-Mill-w-12-Position-ATC/G0618
[18:53:17] <_methods> how much is a haas tm-1
[18:56:13] <_methods> ahh i guess the tm1-p is comparable to that grizzly and they start at $36k
[18:58:58] <ssi> I can't imagine buying the grizzly for the same money as a tm1
[18:59:05] <_methods> yeah lol
[18:59:09] <ssi> it's a different class of machine :P
[18:59:14] <_methods> indeed
[18:59:25] <_methods> the tm-2p is like $38
[18:59:29] <_methods> $38k
[18:59:51] <_methods> the tm-3p base is $44k
[18:59:51] <ssi> although haas is the king of add-on pricing
[18:59:55] <_methods> yeah
[18:59:58] <_methods> want lights
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[18:59:59] <_methods> $1k
[18:59:59] <ssi> that 36k machine'll be 60k all up
[19:00:04] <_methods> yeah hehhe
[19:00:07] <_methods> want a pendant
[19:00:09] <_methods> $2500
[19:00:09] <ssi> the software unlocks are the worst
[19:00:16] <_methods> yeah it's silly
[19:00:20] <ssi> I don't mind paying for lights and a pendant nearly as much as conversational screens :P
[19:00:25] <_methods> but most haas techs are so disgruntled they
[19:00:28] <_methods> they hook you up
[19:00:37] <ssi> oh the memory is the worst tho
[19:00:53] <_methods> yeah upgraded memory lol
[19:00:55] <_methods> or usb
[19:01:14] <_methods> $2500 for usb hahahaha
[19:01:23] <_methods> i'll just use rs232 thank you
[19:01:24] <Connor> I hate software lock outs..
[19:01:31] <_methods> and F your memory i'll just drip feed
[19:01:43] <ssi> I have no interest in drip feeding :P
[19:02:00] <_methods> i have no interest in payin silly prices for memory either lol
[19:02:09] <ssi> yeah me either
[19:02:21] <ssi> but I'm also not buying new machines like that
[19:02:24] <ssi> so I do retrofits
[19:02:26] <_methods> nah
[19:02:33] <ssi> speaking of which
[19:02:42] <ssi> I desperately need to get back on the vmc retrofit
[19:02:43] <_methods> new machines is like buying new cars
[19:03:08] <Connor> ssi: How are things on the home front? and the retrofit ?
[19:03:28] <ssi> Connor: I haven't sat down and hooked up the servo/drive/conversion board that was in the house
[19:03:35] <ssi> I cleaned up the servo and it looks ok but I Haven't run it yet
[19:03:47] <ssi> I probably need to sit down and make new commutation boards
[19:03:56] <ssi> but I lost most of my electronics tools, which is super inconvenient
[19:04:10] <Connor> Yea, the super sucks..
[19:04:30] <Connor> they cut you a check yet ?
[19:04:34] <ssi> not a big one
[19:04:41] <ssi> I got a small advance, and some rent money
[19:04:46] <Connor> yea.. takes for freaking ever.
[19:04:52] <ssi> I need to finish up an initial inventory
[19:04:59] <ssi> tehn hopefully they'll give me somewhere around half that number
[19:05:05] <ssi> then I'll have to work for the other half :P
[19:05:19] <ssi> I'm gonna spend a chunk of that money buying another airplane
[19:05:19] <Connor> Yea, the depreciate everything
[19:05:22] <ssi> already committed to it
[19:05:32] <Loetmichel> *NIIIIICE* glasses 5 min into the new US cleaner filled with windex... like new! not even a speck of dirt in the nose pad holders... ;-)
[19:05:49] <ssi> well if I can make my inventory total high enough that the depreciated value approaces the contents sublimit, then I won't have to worry about actually replacing anything and submitting supplement receipts
[19:06:14] <Connor> yea.
[19:06:36] <Connor> Like I said, I went through this as a Kid.. I remember having to go through my room and write down everything I owned.
[19:06:41] <ssi> yea
[19:06:51] <ssi> I'm having to do exactly that, except all the rooms are mine
[19:06:52] <Connor> Telescope, gameboy with games, computer, etc..
[19:06:53] <ssi> and I had a LOT of crap
[19:07:02] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3OpamFIEAIo_4v.jpg:large
[19:07:06] <ssi> I'm buying that from a friend of mine :D
[19:07:33] <Connor> Your going to fill your hanger with airplans and run out of shop space!! :)
[19:07:38] <ssi> I have three hangars ;)
[19:07:50] <Connor> and now 2 planes .. :)
[19:07:53] <ssi> three planes
[19:07:53] <ssi> heh
[19:07:57] <Connor> 3 ??
[19:07:58] <ssi> but this one will fit in with the RV in one hangar
[19:08:00] <Loetmichel> and it was not THAT expensive. nearly the same price category as these "do nothing" mini sonic cleaners you can buy off ebay for gold and silver Jewellery
[19:08:15] <ssi> yeah I have the cherokee 140, the RV7, and now this pitts S1
[19:08:29] <ssi> the pitts is TINY
[19:08:33] <Connor> Friend in my robot club said you can't use hangers for any type of construction in California.
[19:08:35] <ssi> it's 16' long and 16' span
[19:09:29] <ssi> based on what?
[19:09:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/301064751350?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&var=600193764633
[19:09:33] <ssi> I know people build in their hangars out there
[19:09:49] <Connor> I'm thinking it might be a facility to facility thing..
[19:10:13] <ssi> quick googling turns up this agreement for a particular airport in ca
[19:10:14] <ssi> All aircraft hangars on Redding Municipal Airport or Benton Airpark shall be used for the non-commercial storage of airworthy aircraft or aircraft under construction. Provided the primary purpose of storing an airworthy aircraft or project aircraft is met and space is available, a hangar can also be used by the hangar owner to store other personal property such as a ski boat or motorcycle and as long as the use is in conformance with State and local reg
[19:10:28] <ssi> my uses meet those guidelines
[19:10:55] <Connor> facility to facility thing, or state thing.. who knows.
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[19:16:13] * LeelooMinai wonders if "airworthy" means it can fly:)
[19:16:26] <ssi> that's pretty much what it means
[19:18:07] <ssi> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-stabbed-with-legend-of-zelda-master-sword-in-serious-condition-9167520.html
[19:18:32] <ssi> "The man declined to mention whether he collected any rupees following the incident."
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[19:23:09] <Loetmichel> LeelooMinai: airworthy means it will not only fly but land in one piece
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[19:23:19] <Loetmichel> ant repeatable, not one-time;)
[19:23:34] <Loetmichel> -t+d
[19:24:01] <jdh> or under construction
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[19:31:15] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel what goes up _will_ come down
[19:31:28] <ssi> not always
[19:31:46] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: not neccessarily in one piece
[19:31:49] <Loetmichel> :-)=
[19:31:54] <Tom_itx> that's optional
[19:31:55] <ssi> if you throw it fast enough it ain't comin back
[19:32:04] <Loetmichel> for "airworthy" it isnt
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[19:57:50] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: There used to be a user map on the website. The link is broken now. Has it moved?
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[20:10:37] <Tom_itx> sliptonic what website?
[20:10:43] <Tom_itx> his or linuxcnc?
[20:13:13] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/linuxcnc-user-map
[20:14:03] <Tom_itx> that area is private
[20:14:13] <Tom_itx> mayb you didn't see it because you weren't logged in
[20:14:28] <Tom_itx> it looks rather crouded
[20:14:36] <Connor> Tom_itx: Zoom in.
[20:14:57] <Tom_itx> are you on it?
[20:15:03] <Connor> Yes
[20:15:38] <Tom_itx> me 2
[20:16:46] <Connor> Although, my name has just a dash
[20:16:48] <Connor> not sure why
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[20:17:29] <Tom_itx> mmm only 6 in this area registered
[20:18:26] <Tom_itx> can you update information on the map?
[20:19:14] <Connor> You can set your geocode I think..
[20:19:17] <Connor> if that's what you mean.
[20:19:26] <Tom_itx> i wanted to update my webpage link
[20:19:35] <Connor> Oh. Not sure.
[20:19:54] <Tom_itx> i found it
[20:20:00] <Connor> yea.. profile.. homepage
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[20:23:29] <Tom_itx> pcw_home you around?
[20:24:02] <Connor> What exactly is axis.N.jog-vel-mode ??
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[20:29:16] <Connor> OKay.. I've been mulling this over in my head for a while now.. Having E-Stop, and/or Machine Power turn off the Stepper PSU, or disable the stepper drivers..
[20:29:46] <LeelooMinai> Connor: You can find this info in the integrator manual pdf: http://i.imgur.com/6TTXm6U.png
[20:30:21] <Connor> I don't like the idea of disabling or turning of the PSU in Machine Power because.. that means technically I need to re-home every time I toggle power..
[20:31:06] <Connor> LeelooMinai: Yea. I found the HAL reference to it.. Just wondering what increment value is used.. of it the scale value is used.
[20:31:26] <Connor> I'm not sure about turning off during E-Stop event either...
[20:31:54] <Connor> steppers aren't going to move.. it's not like a servo machine where the steppers will run away.. they have to have a pulse train from the system..
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[20:42:29] <JT-Shop> sliptonic, map loads for me... are you logged in?
[20:42:43] <JT-Shop> wow 1634 users on the map
[20:43:16] <Tom_itx> one in swampeast mo
[20:44:43] <JT-Shop> lol only one
[20:45:16] <Tom_itx> got these darn chips off the boards last night
[20:45:35] <rob_h> wow a few UK users now
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[21:52:45] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: I'm trying the link on this page: http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/about and getting a 404
[21:54:25] <sliptonic> Ahh, but this one works. http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/linuxcnc-user-map
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[22:02:08] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/about loads fine here
[22:02:33] <sliptonic> CaptHindsight: Try the geographical map link on that page.
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[22:03:20] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_google_maps_insight/ 404
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[22:08:05] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:46:04] <JT-Shop> sliptonic, odd it is the same link in the left column no matter what page your on
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[22:46:26] <JT-Shop> oh I see the problem it's the link on the about page
[22:46:34] <JT-Shop> I'll fix that
[22:47:33] <Connor> WHEN is linuxcnc going to upgrade from Joomla 1.0 ? :)
[22:48:09] <JT-Shop> never
[22:48:35] <Connor> or is it 1.5
[22:48:54] <Connor> okay.. it's 1.5
[22:48:56] <JT-Shop> it is what it is
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[22:56:06] <andypugh> Out hackers love it.
[22:56:44] <jthornton> Out?
[22:57:17] <andypugh> I can’t type. I meant “Our”. I imagine that hackers both inside and outside the closet love it.
[22:57:36] <jthornton> ah ok that makes sense
[22:57:43] <jthornton> I can't type either most of the time
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[23:29:26] <renesis> guys
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[23:30:19] <renesis> do you know if i get a quadro for solidworks to render, does it need to be a video output card?
[23:31:08] <jthornton> I thought a quadro was a video card? I have one or two I think
[23:32:07] <renesis> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133372&
[23:32:40] <renesis> like i got that, could i put it in a third slot, and then run ATI crossfire stuff for video output and games
[23:33:01] <renesis> like, i just want the quadro for rendering
[23:33:06] <andypugh> Ooh! A resolver MPG. That would be perfect for my mill, though no real improvement on the current encoder MPG. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mikroma-TS3C2-10-Volt-2000Hz-Resolver-/371140620876
[23:33:30] <jthornton> renesis, that is above my pay scale...
[23:34:31] <andypugh> It seems like something that might get answered on a deidcated Solidworks forum/channel/list
[23:34:33] <cradek> andypugh: what a connector
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[23:35:09] <andypugh> I could probably sell the connector and be in profit :-)
[23:37:46] <andypugh> Actually, I don’t see enough wires for that to be a resolver…
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[23:38:56] <andypugh> Of course googling the part number now only returns page after page of ebay re-listers (why the hell do they do that?)
[23:39:34] <cradek> I see green/white as a pair. the other two might also be pairs
[23:39:54] <andypugh> I made an insulting offer, I might get to find out.
[23:39:57] <cradek> I might see red/white too
[23:40:44] <cradek> �79 is real money
[23:41:44] <ssi> I went and looked at that southbend 10L today
[23:41:51] <ssi> it's pretty decent, and comes with a lot of tooling
[23:42:09] <andypugh> cradek: It sounds more at $125 strangely.
[23:42:13] <ssi> and by a lot of tooling, I mostly mean three chucks, two of which are buck 6 jaw set-tru
[23:42:29] <andypugh> I would guess it listed at >$600 originally
[23:42:30] <ssi> I may adapt one of them for the HNC
[23:42:40] <_methods> 2 6 jaws?
[23:42:44] <_methods> that's kinda weird
[23:42:45] <ssi> yea
[23:42:46] <ssi> and a 4 jaw
[23:42:50] <ssi> yeah it's kinda weird
[23:42:58] <ssi> he also has two collet closer noses for it
[23:43:05] <_methods> ah nice
[23:43:12] <andypugh> I think 6-jaw are better for thin-walled stuff. And for looking cool.
[23:43:14] <ssi> the kid doesn't really know anything about the machine
[23:43:32] <ssi> he bought it with all the tooling
[23:43:35] <_methods> well that's a decent deal for sure
[23:43:39] <ssi> yea I think so
[23:43:46] <ssi> I'm gonna drag a trailer up friday
[23:43:51] <ssi> worst part is gonna be getting it loaded
[23:44:02] <ssi> he has it in a little shed, and it'll have to come out of that shed over a pretty tall threshold
[23:44:06] <ssi> and it's all dirt driveway back there
[23:44:18] <ssi> his plan is to drag it out by hand then use an engine hoist to load it
[23:44:32] <andypugh> Pictures?
[23:44:52] <ssi> I should have taken some
[23:44:55] <ssi> I have one he sent me, one sec
[23:45:05] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3N9f9VIcAAe1kx.jpg:large
[23:45:06] <andypugh> I can’t find the 10L on lathes.co.uk
[23:45:16] <ssi> I think it's the same as the heavy 10
[23:45:27] <ssi> it's definitely got the 1-3/8" spindle bore, which I like
[23:45:31] <ssi> but otherwise it's a tiny machine
[23:45:38] <ssi> maybe 20" between centers
[23:45:45] <andypugh> Screw-on chucks and plain bearing headstock.
[23:45:47] <ssi> the nameplate says 3-1/2 foot bed
[23:45:57] <ssi> but I think that's bed end to end
[23:45:59] <ssi> not between centers
[23:46:17] <andypugh> It looks to have enough metal in it.
[23:46:17] <ssi> and yeah that's right, looks like a 2-1/4"-8tpi spindle nose
[23:46:37] <andypugh> (unlike my Chinese pile of excrement)
[23:46:38] <ssi> I've heard nothing but good things about those machines
[23:46:54] <ssi> and for $1800 it's a good value, especially with three chucks
[23:47:01] <ssi> and those two set-tru buck 6-jaws are $600 chucks each
[23:47:23] <_methods> those machines are solid
[23:47:27] <andypugh> Lathe pricing is odd, as they get bigger they get cheaper, up to a point.
[23:47:30] <_methods> not as beautiful as a 10ee
[23:47:33] <ssi> heh yeha
[23:47:33] <_methods> but just as good
[23:47:37] <ssi> _methods: I'd LOVE to have a 10ee
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[23:47:40] <ssi> but they're bananas money
[23:47:43] <_methods> heh mee too
[23:47:59] <_methods> yeah i saw 3 of them go at an auction 2 years ago for like $3k each
[23:48:05] <ssi> dang
[23:48:10] <_methods> if i had the money i would have grabbed them
[23:48:19] <ssi> machines are hard to impulse buy
[23:48:25] <ssi> even if you have the money, you may not have the space or the logistics :P
[23:48:50] <_methods> i could have stored it at the shop
[23:49:02] <ssi> this sb 10 is much smaller than I expected
[23:49:06] <ssi> it's about the size of my grizzly 10x22
[23:49:09] <ssi> but MUCH stouter
[23:49:17] <_methods> yeah they were pretty much the standard
[23:49:51] <ssi> It's looking like it has the exact same spindle nose as my hardinge
[23:49:53] <ssi> that'd be AMAZING
[23:49:58] <ssi> if I can just use the spare 6-jaw on the HNC
[23:50:29] <ssi> I've been wanting a chuck for that lathe for years
[23:51:07] <andypugh> About the same price, but delivery would be more expensive : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harrison-L5-Centre-Lathe-Accessories-/201224396313?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item2ed9e89e19
[23:51:11] <archivist> hmm I spotted it has taper attachment too
[23:51:15] <ssi> archivist: yeah it does
[23:51:20] <andypugh> That’s nice.
[23:51:25] <archivist> ssi I have that on mine
[23:51:31] <ssi> I've never worked with one
[23:52:09] <archivist> mine is wartime vintage I think
[23:52:19] <Tom_itx> built to last
[23:52:43] <ssi> I toured the submarine in san francisco this year, and has a similar SB lathe onboard
[23:52:56] <ssi> maybe I'll put this lathe on my sailboat ;)
[23:52:59] <Tom_itx> alot of the machines i ran at one job were wwii surplus
[23:54:23] <ssi> I don't think this one is that old
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[23:54:36] <Tom_itx> and in the back of the tool room were some WWII tooling 50 cal tooling still
[23:55:03] <Tom_itx> was told the women ran them back then
[23:55:03] <ssi> it's definitely in good shape... ways are even, bright and clean
[23:55:16] <andypugh> I have two 1930s lathes.
[23:55:18] <ssi> put a dial indicator on the spindle and it doesn't move perceptibly
[23:55:28] <ssi> cross slide is tight, minimal lash
[23:55:38] <ssi> tailstock doesn't sag
[23:56:24] <Tom_itx> andypugh the one in your living room?
[23:57:04] <andypugh> Yes, one in the living room (1936 Rivett 608) and a Colchester Triumph in my dad’s workshop.
[23:58:14] <andypugh> The Rivett is prettier than a South Bend, and 10x as expensive new, and probably no better in practice.
[23:58:39] <ssi> lol
[23:58:51] <andypugh> Have you seen the 608?
[23:58:58] <Tom_itx> i have
[23:59:05] <ssi> they definitely are pretty
[23:59:06] <Tom_itx> and the nice cabinet you made for it
[23:59:57] <andypugh> $2000 in 1936. What else would that buy you then?