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[00:13:49] <mozmck> wood heat here.
[00:14:09] <mozmck> Power was out for over a week several years ago and we hardly noticed :)
[00:15:33] <Jymmm> mozmck: I'm working on the idea of fire produce electricity, but right now on the 12VDC side (backpackable)
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[00:16:13] <mozmck> peltier?
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[00:17:01] <Jymmm> mozmck: No, too unreliable. more steam'ish type thing, but trying for not having a "boiler"
[00:17:26] <Jymmm> mozmck: basically minimal water usage, and closed system.
[00:17:39] <Jymmm> recirculitaory.
[00:17:40] <mozmck> ah, I see. peltier is also not very efficient.
[00:17:56] <mozmck> but if you have steam, then you have a boiler!
[00:17:56] <Jymmm> I see them burn out too often too
[00:18:10] <Jymmm> well I mean a storage tank
[00:18:19] <Jymmm> or tanks
[00:18:45] <Jymmm> basically no more than a gallon of water to run for hours
[00:18:59] <mozmck> yeah, more like a water tube boiler. use a turbine - nothing like something running at 60k rpm on your back :)
[00:19:28] <Jymmm> hahaha, no no that's just for transport, not operation =)
[00:19:57] <Jymmm> basically stick a coil in the fire/coals
[00:20:00] <mozmck> I see :)
[00:20:07] <mozmck> sounds interesting!
[00:20:39] <Jymmm> like the coild shown here
http://i48.tinypic.com/jfwy82.jpg
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[00:45:57] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, check the national map. it's hitting all of us
[00:46:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's not negative anythng here though.
[00:46:59] <Tom_itx> here either
[00:47:15] <Tom_itx> those guys on deadliest catch came back in because of it
[00:47:34] <Tom_itx> they were talking to them yesterday
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[00:48:21] <PetefromTn_> Damn I need to get this new heat and air unit installed something quick...
[00:49:09] <Tom_itx> like tonight?
[00:49:17] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: just use lots of DUCT tape =)
[00:49:32] <PetefromTn_> well tomorrow I have a friend coming over to help me move it into position.
[00:49:43] <PetefromTn_> thing weighs like 350 pounds or so
[00:49:59] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: LOTS AND LOTS of duct tape
[00:50:30] <PetefromTn_> I installed the new emergency heat coil into the thing this afternoon and started installing all the new digital programmable thermostat just now.
[00:51:39] <PetefromTn_> dunno when it is supposed to get here the cold I mean but I am trying to get it installed properly and so that it will be as efficient as possible once it is installed.
[00:52:32] <PetefromTn_> I actually need to go buy some of that aluminum tape so I can install the new ducting and seal it up nice
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[01:12:17] <zeeshan|2> anyone else run a k7-400mx
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[01:13:08] <zeeshan|2> i mean a7v400-mx
[01:13:52] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ruby-electronics.com/images/mb-as-a7v400-mx-b.jpg
[01:14:02] <zeeshan|2> its pretty old :P
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[01:16:48] <XXCoder> wow its actually older than mine
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[01:50:22] <pcw_home> I think I have one like that (AGP video?)
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[01:58:38] <XXCoder> agp type yeah
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[01:58:49] <XXCoder> jeez firefox updates each fucking day nowdays
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[02:32:54] <Tom_itx> XXCoder turn off updates
[02:33:11] <XXCoder> I do want updates but not that often
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[02:52:16] <roycroft> firefox has always updated almost every day
[02:52:37] <roycroft> that's why it has 37 digit minor release numbers
[02:53:13] <roycroft> turn off auto updates and update manually when you feel like it
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[02:59:07] <Jymmm> Heh, I update like 30 days after a new release. Then everyone else can rant and complain first before I have to deal with that bs
[02:59:33] <roycroft> my main problem is some virtual machines that i don't use often
[02:59:50] <roycroft> if i haven't fired one up in a year or two, when i do firefox is like 187 versions out of date
[03:00:14] <roycroft> so far out of date that it has to update its updater, then updated the browser itself, usually several times before it's up to date
[03:00:45] <roycroft> i try not to use firefox much, but when i'm forced to use windows i'd rather use firefox than internet explorer
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[03:11:59] <XXCoder> roy unfortunately fox has featureset I like
[03:14:42] <PetefromTn_> I used to use Firefox all the time for years but I switched to chrome because they have built in translation options that are nice to have for certain situations. I have quite a few foreign customers now that I speak to on other forums that are not in english. It is nice to not have to bother with a seperate translator. It is not perfect but it works well for me.
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[03:22:54] <Computer_Barf> sup reprap
[03:23:16] <PetefromTn_> Oh please no..
[03:24:08] <Computer_Barf> i would switch to chrome but i have too many plugins that I love.
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[03:26:36] <Computer_Barf> ive decided I need to get the wires on my printer under control
[03:26:38] <roycroft> i try to avoid anything from google whenever possible
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[04:06:54] <XXCoder> google owns all
[04:07:04] <XXCoder> resistance is fulule
[04:07:09] <XXCoder> cant spell that word bah
[04:08:30] <PetefromTn_> http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/00/42/82/0042820c4fb88e75ec3c328477237757.jpg If google looks like this Borg I am all in... hehe
[04:08:44] <XXCoder> jeez
[04:08:55] <XXCoder> someone 'shopped her already huge breasts to insane level
[04:09:39] <XXCoder> real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine#mediaviewer/File:SevenofNine.jpg
[04:12:15] <PetefromTn_> yup Jeri Ryan is a babe for sure...
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[04:13:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:16:30] <roycroft> i prefer counsillor cleavage, myself
[04:17:07] <PetefromTn_> meh she was much too touchy feely LOL
[04:17:36] <XXCoder> well one postive/negative thing is she knows what you're feeling
[04:17:37] <roycroft> but she has huge tracts of land
[04:19:11] <PetefromTn_> I thought Chase Masterson the Dabo Girl from Deep Space Nine was one of the hottest Star Trek Chicks...
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[04:22:35] <PetefromTn_> Worked on my lathe a bit more today.
[04:22:43] <XXCoder> honestly I find lady smartness more sexy than body
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[04:22:50] <XXCoder> if shes a looker its a nice bonus
[04:22:58] <PetefromTn_> still trying to get it stripped down for paint.
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[04:30:51] <XXCoder> yeah>
[04:31:00] <XXCoder> cool. I guess old paint was a loss
[04:33:15] <PetefromTn_> actually someone TRIED to repaint the damn thing and was a chucklehead with a mop.
[04:33:43] <XXCoder> oh jeez. bad restores is 100 times worse than worn
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[04:35:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah well good news is the paint remover I am using takes it right off.
[04:35:20] <PetefromTn_> but the machine has a lot of sheetmetal and enclosures etc so it takes awhile..
[04:39:25] <XXCoder> well it helps that its nicely removable
[04:39:40] <XXCoder> but how about using those crappy sponge painbtbrushes to apply paint remover?
[04:39:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I wish I had the cash to take them down and have them powdercoated and blasted
[04:40:08] <PetefromTn_> the remover I use sprays on.
[04:40:57] <ssi> ttps://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10362376_10100520979859692_5314855877350045357_n.jpg?oh=bcf82e8775a0aaba60a1801444c0705f&oe=54EF7E63
[04:41:03] <ssi> https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10362376_10100520979859692_5314855877350045357_n.jpg?oh=bcf82e8775a0aaba60a1801444c0705f&oe=54EF7E63
[04:41:06] <ssi> is getting there
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[04:45:38] <handmill> hi
[04:46:01] <handmill> i have a cnc machine that work with stepper motors and mach3
[04:46:16] <handmill> now i want to move to servo motors.
[04:46:32] <handmill> what is the best way to do it?
[04:47:06] <ssi> what are your goals?
[04:47:58] <XXCoder> and what's design?
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[05:00:42] <handmill> I want a cnc that will be fast without to lose steps.
[05:01:10] <handmill> I have no name milling machine from ebay
[05:03:21] <XXCoder> if I understand sites right spidle with encoders would definitely help
[05:03:32] <XXCoder> but not expert here. I only know large machines lol
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[06:00:09] <handmill> XXCoder: there is any difference between the mesa card and gecko G320x drivers that connect to the parallel port?
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[06:42:59] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:09:58] <archivist> handmill, the mesa cards are best for servo
[07:11:11] <handmill> archivist:, thank you for the answer, so how the motor get connect to the card?
[07:11:58] <archivist> depends on the servo driver you use
[07:11:59] <handmill> I need the G320x?
[07:12:13] <handmill> I want AC servo
[07:12:39] <archivist> many choices
[07:13:02] <handmill> what servo motors recomented to use?
[07:13:49] <handmill> I need about 1.5 NM for the X and Y and 5 NM for the Z
[07:14:21] <archivist> I dont have servo so dont have motor recommendations
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[07:20:50] <archivist> with mesa cards you are not limited to step dir
[07:21:03] <handmill> so how it's work?
[07:21:37] <handmill> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Digital-ac-servo-driver-AC-servo-motor-CNC-KIT-Router-Mill-Plasma-/281409681742?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418552f94e
[07:22:01] <handmill> i thik to use this motor.
[07:22:02] <archivist> either pwm or 0-10v or recently there is an ethernet option being developed
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[07:23:43] <handmill> lets go basic for sec.. what is the add benefit of using mesa card?
[07:24:13] <archivist> with that sort of driver iirc part of the loop is in the driver and the other in linuxcnc
[07:24:34] <archivist> mesa is fast enough to not miss encoder data
[07:24:57] <handmill> what is "iirc"
[07:25:23] <handmill> the mesa card go to the lpt?
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[07:26:51] <archivist> if I can remember correctly
[07:28:06] <archivist> the data rate on parallel ports is limited, so you need an fpga card to do the counting etc for higher data rates
[07:28:41] <archivist> then there is a message packet and no data lost
[07:28:53] <handmill> but how it's connect to the computer? via parallel? pci?
[07:29:15] <archivist> either
[07:29:37] <archivist> or recently there is an ethernet option
[07:29:46] <handmill> I don't get it.
[07:29:52] <handmill> ethernet ?
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[07:31:43] <handmill> I need some kind of a bill of materials, and wiring diagram
[07:33:05] <archivist> there is no one right way, many options depending on your machine
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[07:34:36] <handmill> metal working milling machine.
[07:38:53] <handmill> I want to be able to use 3 axis servo, and 2 servo axis reserve to the future, tool changer, power draw bar, touch probe, Tool Height calibrator, servo spindle. 3d printer syringe
[07:39:39] <archivist> this is where you need a lot more IO that parallel ports provide easily
[07:39:49] <archivist> that/than
[07:40:19] <handmill> so how I know how meny IO I have?
[07:40:35] <archivist> also you did not mention limit switches
[07:41:44] <handmill> yes 10 limit switches
[07:41:56] <handmill> 2 for each axis
[07:42:24] <archivist> you should look at the wiki and see what others have done with retrofits
[07:43:26] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
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[07:49:53] <archivist> there may well be better options than were available at the time those were done
[07:51:09] <handmill> half of the links - broken.
[07:51:50] <archivist> people dont maintain their own sites unfortunately
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[07:52:27] <Deejay> moin
[07:58:15] <Jymmm> Deejay: Your early, your fired.
[07:58:32] <handmill> is there any difference in the performances of the machine between brushless AC servo to DC brushed servo, if boath of tham generate the same torque??
[07:59:23] <Deejay> Jymmm =)
[08:02:48] <archivist> handmill, not much, the AC will probably be more reliable (no brushes) , possibly less electrically noisy (momentary brush disconnection)
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[08:04:15] <handmill> do you think the AC servo worth it?
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[08:06:32] <archivist> for running all day commercially, probably yes
[08:12:57] <handmill> and all day home use, I'm talking about chinese clone of the BF20
[08:14:06] <archivist> it is a choice, you have to start making them :)
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[08:16:14] <handmill> so let's say i will go with AC servo. what is the next step?
[08:17:29] <archivist> decide on card
[08:18:32] <archivist> remember for full servo control the encoder needs to be seen by linuxcnc via the mesa card
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[08:21:23] <handmill> I have zero understand about that - here i need some help / advise to do the decision
[08:21:52] <handmill> how the encoder send the data to the linux?
[08:22:05] <renesis> how is babeh formed
[08:22:08] <archivist> step dir without linuxcnc seeing the encoder is little better than steppers
[08:22:56] <archivist> handmill, via the encoder inputs on a mesa card and its counters
[08:23:41] <handmill> what kind of encother is that?
[08:24:34] <handmill> i need to but it and put it on the motor, or i need to but a motor that alredy have encoder?
[08:24:38] <archivist> normal encoders with an A a B and an index often marled Z
[08:24:42] <archivist> marked
[08:25:57] <archivist> the servo you were looking at has an encoder
[08:26:07] <handmill> what is a good resolution for encoder?
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[08:26:43] <archivist> it depends on your needs and leadscrew
[08:27:02] <archivist> I have to go out for a while
[08:27:36] <handmill> 5 TPI ball screw
[08:28:05] <handmill> with the steppet now i get 200 steps per rev
[08:31:37] <handmill> for 0.005 mm resulution
[08:33:36] <handmill> 1016 pulses per rev give me the desire resolution
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[08:44:44] <handmill> archivist: ?
[08:45:23] <Jymmm> archivist: I have to go out for a while
[08:45:35] <Jymmm> he left in other words
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[09:32:13] <archivist> I just got back for a few minutes
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[09:38:01] <Tecan> some tea ?
[09:38:10] <Tom_itx> handmill you'll probably have to gear reduce the servo too
[09:38:19] <Tecan> mate tea for everyone
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[09:40:52] <Tom_itx> handmill also, with my mesa cards and gecko stepper drives i get 2000 steps per rev
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[10:29:36] * Loetmichel steams :-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15365
[10:30:26] <Loetmichel> ... and there is something wrong, hwo can a 2200mAh battery be full in less than an hour from empty whit 850mA?
[10:54:02] <SpeedEvil> voltage
[10:54:05] <gonzo_> old worn out batt, or they are chineese mAh's
[10:54:08] <SpeedEvil> or that
[10:54:25] <SpeedEvil> 850mA@240V will charge a 2200mAh 3.7V battery quite fast
[10:55:00] <gonzo_> you would not gtet 240v drop across a batt
[10:55:06] <gonzo_> not for long
[10:56:29] <gonzo_> though voltage could be an issue, as in, having the charger set to shut off at too low a V. So it's not actually fully charged. (depends of the batt technology in use though)
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[11:01:39] <Loetmichel> gonzo_: these istick is not even 3 weeks old
[11:01:47] <Loetmichel> ahd is supposed to be 2200mAh ;-9
[11:02:12] <gonzo_> what sort of batt?
[11:02:14] <archivist> was the battery fully discharged too
[11:02:17] <Loetmichel> liion
[11:02:29] <Loetmichel> and usb charger, so no 230V ;-)
[11:02:56] <Loetmichel> i will go for "chinese mah"
[11:03:00] <Loetmichel> mAh
[11:03:18] <gonzo_> I've had chinese RC packs that only had 1/3 of the rated capacity. But were less than 1/3 of the full price. so still ok
[11:03:58] <gonzo_> last ones I had were 8AH, but measured 3.5AH
[11:04:49] <Loetmichel> gonzo_: i can top that
[11:05:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[11:05:21] <Loetmichel> ... but what did i expect for 12 eur for a lamp with two batteries and charger?
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[11:05:56] <gonzo_> ah, this is 'one down-man-ship' ?
[11:06:04] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[11:06:25] <Loetmichel> that pic was for the chinse suppier
[11:06:31] <Loetmichel> i ordered two lamps...
[11:06:34] <Loetmichel> they came this way
[11:06:53] <gonzo_> dilbert principal?? The difference between what yuou ship and what customners can be bothered to return, that is your profit
[11:07:13] <Loetmichel> the lamps are great, tho
[11:07:29] <Loetmichel> with good 2900mah sony 18650 they are really a charm
[11:07:39] <Loetmichel> and still cheap for 12 eur
[11:07:58] <gonzo_> usually I find that even with the failures and reworks/replacenemnt bits, the .cn stuff is still good value
[11:08:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14742
[11:08:46] <Loetmichel> i think for a pocket flashlight thats an astonishing amount of light ;-9
[11:09:28] <gonzo_> I bet you can feel the recloil!
[11:09:31] <gonzo_> recoil
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[11:15:34] <kpapadimakis__> Hi all, can someone tell me what are the parameters to the gcode.arc_to_segments() python method? (or should I ask in #linuxcnc-devel?)
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[12:16:46] <Tom_itx> 26°F
[12:19:26] <jthornton> 56f here
[12:19:36] <Tom_itx> not for long :)
[12:19:52] <Tom_itx> high today is 30 something
[12:19:53] <jthornton> lol
[12:21:01] <Jymmm> 68F currently
[12:21:05] <jthornton> todays high is 53f...
[12:21:51] <Jymmm> Sorry, I mean 56F, high of 64F
[12:22:13] <Tom_itx> goin surfin?
[12:23:50] <Jymmm> NAh, surf reports says 2-3ft today
[12:24:34] <Tom_itx> we had 35mph sustained winds yesterday thru the night
[12:25:02] <jthornton> windy as heck here yesterday
[12:25:02] <Tom_itx> ironic part of that.. it was trash day
[12:25:45] <Tom_itx> err today is..
[12:25:54] <Jymmm> http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/turtle-bay-west-oahu_10832/
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[12:36:22] <Tom_itx> kpapadimakis__, maybe this would help:
http://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/g_code_ripper_doc.html
[12:36:31] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop ^^ as well
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[12:38:56] <jthornton> interesting
[12:41:00] <Tom_itx> http://docs.opencv.org/modules/core/doc/drawing_functions.html
[12:44:14] <Jymmm> The next time someone comes in and says they have a $300 budget for a cnc mill...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQr-jDIFDE
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[12:57:04] <Jymmm> VERY nice flashlight btw...
http://www.fasttech.com/product/1212404
[12:57:15] <Cylly> *cough* that wasnt the brightest idea, first i used the whole pack of chilli pweder with the noodle soup... then i got some soup in my throat... * swiping tears of my eyes*
[12:58:35] <Jymmm> Um, where else is the soup suppose to go other than your throat?
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[12:59:32] <Cylly> tha air duct
[12:59:38] <Cylly> not the food one ;-)
[13:00:00] <Cylly> sorry, i am not a native speaker
[13:00:12] <Jymmm> BE AWARE that if you order lithium batteries from overseas it is taking 50+ days
[13:00:30] <Jymmm> Cylly: Ah, "wrong pipe" is the slang phrase we use for that
[13:00:56] <Jymmm> lungs vs stomach
[13:01:05] <Cylly> s/ throat/windpipe
[13:01:08] <Cylly> better?
[13:01:09] <Cylly> :-9
[13:02:02] <Jymmm> close enough, I thought you might have meant that you got some in your eyes or something.
[13:02:39] <Cylly> no, i am snigffing because of the intense pain of hot chilli soup running down my windpipe ;-9
[13:02:45] <Cylly> sniffing
[13:02:48] <Jymmm> lol
[13:03:07] <Jymmm> I understand =)
[13:03:08] <Cylly> <- still coughing ;-9
[13:03:38] <Jymmm> been there, done that =)
[13:04:14] <Cylly> ... there are reasons why normal companys forbid eating at the workplace
[13:04:27] <Cylly> i nearly spilled the soup bowl over the PC ;-9
[13:06:25] <jdh> anyone cut 6.35mm 6061 with a 6040? spindle speed? DOC? Feed?
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[13:09:27] <jthornton> tool diameter? number of flutes?
[13:09:47] <jdh> 1/8, 2 or 4. 2 most likely
[13:12:17] <jthornton> carp, I can't find my calculator on this computer
[13:13:22] <jthornton> here is one on line
https://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-milling.htm
[13:13:31] <jthornton> what's your rpm range?
[13:13:41] <jdh> 24k
[13:14:10] <jthornton> not adjustable?
[13:14:14] <jdh> the android app I have says 50ipm, 0.0625 DOC
[13:14:24] <jdh> 1k-24k
[13:15:15] <jdh> (@24krpm) Seems excessive.
[13:15:19] <jthornton> 8k is 260 SFM
[13:15:45] <kpapadimakis__> Tom_itx, thanks. Is this something I can use to parse g-code? I only see a graphical ui, which is not what I'm looking for. I'm trying to assemble a very simple g-code parser to read lines and arcs.
[13:16:38] <jdh> guess I can start with something close to that. 15ipm, 0.050 DOC
[13:16:46] <jdh> 8krpm
[13:17:15] <kpapadimakis__> .. and convert arcs to lines, obviously =)
[13:18:14] <jthornton> jdh, if you don't remove enough material to pull the heat out then the material starts to gall up and stick to the cutter
[13:18:30] <jdh> so, faster or deeper?
[13:18:45] <jthornton> I'd use air to keep the chips from being recut
[13:19:09] <jthornton> slower rpm or faster ipm
[13:19:22] <jdh> Need to set that up. I usually just use a vacuum cleaner nozzle by the cut
[13:19:39] <jthornton> that will work too
[13:20:22] <jdh> I need some small radius inside corners or I'd just do it with a bigger endmill on the mill.
[13:21:03] <jthornton> one trick I do is to rough with a larger endmill then finish the profile with the size needed to get the inside radius correct
[13:21:37] <Jymmm> Just use a square endmill, problem solved.
[13:21:51] <jdh> a guy from work that used to do machining gave me a bunch of nice new .us roughing cutters.
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[13:24:57] <jdh> I bought a Ti bike the other day. It has some incredible welds.
[13:25:16] <Jymmm> how much?
[13:25:44] <jdh> that's not something I want to admit to out loud.
[13:25:57] <Jymmm> jdh: whisper it then
[13:26:45] <Jymmm> $6000 ?
[13:26:56] <Jymmm> $8000?
[13:27:04] <Jymmm> more?
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[13:33:28] <jdh> oh...not that bad, it's a 10 year old frame.
[13:33:49] <Jymmm> ah
[13:34:30] <jdh> I was riding in a group sunday and a guy had the same model (but newer). I mentioned I had just bought one and what it had on it. He asked how much.
[13:34:44] <jdh> I told him '12' and he said that's about what his cost new.
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[13:35:22] <jdh> was confusing until he finally said 12 thousand and I meant 12 hundred.
[13:35:40] <Jymmm> ?!
[13:36:36] <Jymmm> $12,000 USD for a bicycle better come with daily sexual favors!
[13:36:55] <jdh> yeah, I am one for excess, but that is way out there.
[13:37:02] <Jymmm> and the seat doens't count =)
[13:37:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, we all have our high end toys, but damn
[13:38:02] <Jymmm> This is mine...
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/3991.html
[13:38:07] <XXCoder> dang
[13:38:14] <XXCoder> mine was $110 new
[13:38:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Heh, can't even get a used one for $100 these days.
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[13:39:12] <XXCoder> theres project somewhere on how to build bicycle out of bamboo. said almost as light as carbon fiber. theres project for that too
[13:39:34] <Jymmm> bamboo isn't cheap
[13:39:44] <jdh> http://www.universal-radio.com/cats.html
[13:40:04] <Jymmm> lol, ohgawd
[13:40:49] <malcom2073> Jymmm: But there are no funny captions!
[13:41:07] <Jymmm> None needed (lower left)... Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
http://www.universal-radio.com/catdir/storeca1.html
[13:41:19] <malcom2073> Lol
[13:41:25] <malcom2073> *heavy breathing*
[13:41:42] <Jymmm> That's not a cat, it's a balloon!
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[13:43:39] <Jymmm> I have been waiting 4+ years for that radio, I hope it lives up to it's hype
[13:44:52] <XXCoder> lol "owner" "slave: <name>" is better
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[13:57:14] <Jymmm> Go screw yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDumrWx9cq4
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[14:09:22] <Jymmm> The coolest looking cutting board EVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gliOZyHkdps
[14:14:51] <skunkworks> I showd this to ga guy at work - he made it and said it was the most time he spent on any wood working project.
[14:14:53] <skunkworks> http://youtu.be/gbD_h5bHfmQ
[14:15:13] <skunkworks> He told me not to send him anymore videos..
[14:16:27] <Jymmm> lol
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[14:36:06] <archivist> hmm should I send that to a guitar collector :)
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[14:44:08] <taiden> hey all, I need to purchase a motherboard for a linuxcnc computer
[14:44:48] <taiden> it seems 95% of the systems on the latency test wiki page are no longer produced
[14:45:17] <taiden> does anyone have a recommendation for someone running linuxcnc 2.6 without any major tweaks?
[14:45:33] <pcw_home> fast or low power?
[14:45:42] <taiden> low latency
[14:45:51] <taiden> i'm trying to hit 33k step frequency if possible
[14:46:39] <archivist> use a mesa card then that is easy
[14:46:50] <pcw_home> I think the Baytrail MBs will do that
[14:47:00] <pcw_home> Or close
[14:48:06] <pcw_home> I get 11 ish usec on my J1800
[14:48:20] <taiden> i'd go mesa but i'm trying to keep my costs low
[14:48:30] <taiden> that old intel mb i had was super sweet, did 33k step freq no problem
[14:49:06] <taiden> was an Atom DM525MW or something like that, can't remember the name :P
[14:49:29] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: is that flash light really that good?
[14:50:07] <taiden> pcw_home: do you have a recommendation for a specific manufacturer?
[14:50:13] <taiden> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=intel%20J1800
[14:51:08] <pcw_home> I have a Gigabyte and its OK (but make sure you get a rev3 or later BIOs)
[14:55:27] <pcw_home> (I had to update my BIOs to boot linux)
[14:55:28] <pcw_home> also for the J1800,1900,2900s you need to use the latest ISO image (which comes with linuxcnc 2.6.4)
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[15:19:30] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: you said you have a a7v400mx?
[15:19:57] <pcw_home> I think so that looks just like it
[15:20:23] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[15:20:30] <zeeshan|2> works okay?
[15:20:36] <zeeshan|2> im planning to use it on the mill
[15:20:51] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if ishould use onboard video
[15:20:58] <zeeshan|2> or the geforce 400 mx agp card
[15:21:15] <zeeshan|2> whatever i guess causes less latency issues
[15:21:26] <pcw_home> I think mine has gone funny (I did run linuxcnc on it at one time)
[15:21:39] <zeeshan|2> ah
[15:21:54] <zeeshan|2> those amd athlon cpus love to run hot
[15:23:09] * JT-Shop likes LXDE much better
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[15:24:10] <dr0w> LXDE rocks
[15:31:15] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: silly quick question
[15:31:21] <zeeshan|2> on the 7i77 thers like 12 mounting holes
[15:31:34] <zeeshan|2> do any of them act like a chassis ground
[15:31:58] <zeeshan|2> (i want to ensure i use that as a mounting point)
[15:32:36] <pcw_home> No, all mounting holes are isolated
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[15:35:50] <zeeshan|2> okay
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[15:42:04] <ssi> gotta go pick up my plasma table from the powder coaters' today!
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[16:16:07] <CaptHindsight> http://bunniefoo.com/novena/pvt2_shoot/pvt-case-assembled_sm.jpg how long would it take to machine that case out of aluminum?
[16:17:45] <CaptHindsight> 4 parts, 1 for the LCD bezel, 1 for the LCD shell, 1 for the case bottom and 1 for the keyboard
[16:20:21] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: I will build one out of acrylic
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[16:20:38] <cpresser> but ill wait till the hardware arrives bevore i start :)
[16:24:10] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: did you buy the mainboard?
[16:24:34] <cpresser> the 'desktop' version
[16:24:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
[16:25:14] <cpresser> I want the LC-panel, but not the SSD
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[17:14:08] <handmill> morning
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[17:50:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2LZeLjIEAIuOr0.jpg:large
[17:50:47] <ssi> woo
[17:50:58] <jdh> sexy
[17:51:11] <archivist> too posh
[17:51:29] <jdh> I would have gone for red
[17:51:39] <archivist> rust colour?
[17:51:42] <jdh> yeah
[17:52:36] <archivist> will that paint handle normal use and abuse
[17:53:53] <jdh> baked on poly coating?
[17:56:16] <ssi> it's powder coat
[17:56:27] <ssi> it's pretty durable siht
[17:58:52] <cpresser> does it burn when your laser hits it?
[17:59:15] <ssi> probably!
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[18:09:10] <jdh> "what laser"
[18:09:21] <jdh> sorry.
[18:10:32] <ssi> :P
[18:12:44] <CaptHindsight> ssi: did you find your spray gun?
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[18:20:00] <ssi> nah, I borrowed a hangar neighbor's
[18:20:03] <ssi> I'll get one eventually
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[18:53:21] <FinboySlick> ssi: The rack is painted too?
[18:55:37] <ssi> they taped off the teeth
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[18:56:27] <CaptHindsight> I've actually used the cheapo Sanborn/Toolshop HVLP guns to paint entire cars. They don't last long and tricky to adjust but they were ~$50 for the set of 3.
[18:56:40] <FinboySlick> ssi: Oh. And it's welded in place?
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[18:59:54] <ssi> yeah, they're welded
[18:59:58] <ssi> otherwise I would have removed them
[19:00:24] <ssi> I actually changed out the rack on the gantry for belt drive, and I've debated doing the same on the Y joints
[19:00:34] <ssi> the gantry rack was bolted in place, cause the gantry is aluminum
[19:01:45] <FinboySlick> ssi: Still a lovely little thing. Plan on having dual X motors or will you run a shaft across the gantry?
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[19:46:21] <_methods> hah just scored a sweet little atlas bench lathe for $500
[19:47:48] <jdh> nice. There has been a 6" one here on CL lately
[19:47:55] <jdh> don't like the motors though
[19:48:21] <_methods> this thing still has the original motor lol
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[19:49:51] <jdh> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/tls/4753683714.html
[19:49:55] <jdh> that one is pretty ugly
[19:50:04] <jdh> there was a clean refurb'ed one a few weeks ago
[19:50:13] <_methods> yeah this one is mint
[19:50:30] <jdh> where?
[19:50:35] <_methods> in charleston
[19:50:43] <jdh> heh, from CL?
[19:50:54] <_methods> nah guy that came into the shop
[19:50:57] <_methods> to get some work done
[19:51:01] <_methods> it was his dads
[19:51:06] <jdh> burnished metal cover?
[19:51:06] <_methods> and he was like 70
[19:51:12] <_methods> i didn't take pics
[19:51:15] <_methods> but no
[19:51:36] <_methods> he has 2 old kennedy's too
[19:51:39] <jdh> charleston CL is on my search list
[19:51:43] <_methods> just the top boxes
[19:52:42] <_methods> one was 520 series i think
[19:52:45] <_methods> the other one was older
[19:55:21] <jdh> http://charleston.craigslist.org/for/4737043184.html
[19:55:28] <_methods> lathe had the countershaft and everything still
[19:55:41] <_methods> nah that's not it
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[19:56:00] <_methods> god that thing looks hurrible
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[19:57:36] <Tom_itx> ssi what size belt drive are you using??
[19:57:50] <jdh> the one I was thinking of was beautiful but pricey
[19:58:13] <_methods> had the original steady rest, followers, countershaft, and motor
[19:58:20] <_methods> all in beautiful shape
[19:58:56] <_methods> i'd feel guilty ever converting it to cnc so it will stay manual
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[20:08:27] <jdh> yep
[20:09:09] <_methods> it had the radius cutter attachment too even
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[20:13:36] <_methods> i didn't see the taper attachment though but he said he had to dig out a bunch of stuff
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[20:34:47] <ssi> Tom_itx: 3/8" XL belt I think
[20:35:11] <ssi> FinboySlick: it's two Y motors; that machine's been running for like four years, I just took it down to move it, and had it coated in the meantime
[20:35:14] <Tom_L> k. i just got some GT2 series for my spindle... just curious
[20:35:22] <ssi> I don't like the metric belt as much
[20:35:24] <ssi> it's too hard to get locally
[20:35:36] <Tom_L> what pitch is the XL?
[20:35:49] <ssi> .200
[20:35:52] <ssi> MXL is .080
[20:36:21] <Tom_L> xl sounds about the same size as automotive use
[20:36:38] <ssi> there's L also, and bigger (M and H I think?)
[20:36:51] <Tom_L> yeah i saw at least 3 on the sd site
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[21:07:31] <JT-Shop> cairo has the worst documentation!
[21:07:58] <Tom_L> this from a document fixer :)
[21:08:17] <JT-Shop> it's bad because I can't find any
[21:09:12] <Tom_L> what is cairo?
[21:09:35] <JT-Shop> you can create a vector drawing in your program with it
[21:10:09] <Tom_L> https://pythonhosted.org/cairocffi/
[21:10:11] <Tom_L> ?
[21:11:24] <Tom_L> http://cairographics.org/documentation/
[21:11:26] <Tom_L> ?
[21:11:35] <JT-Shop> here is the main page
http://cairographics.org/
[21:11:46] <JT-Shop> not a whole lot there
[21:11:52] <Tom_L> oh
[21:13:14] <JT-Shop> http://cairographics.org/manual/cairo-cairo-t.html
[21:15:34] <Tom_L> what more could you possibly want!!
[21:15:52] <JT-Shop> lol
[21:15:55] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MKVh4IYAAr_NV.jpg:large
[21:15:58] <ssi> looks teeny in here
[21:16:42] <JT-Shop> what's the table size?
[21:16:48] <ssi> 50x50"
[21:16:54] <JT-Shop> nice
[21:18:06] <ssi> I may be buying another airplane
[21:19:16] <cpresser> the scale-comp sucks:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/scale.9.html it does "out=(in*gain)+offset", however out=(in+offset)*gain" would be more universal
[21:19:56] <cpresser> how i need two scale components to first subtract the offset, then apply the gain :/
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[21:36:55] <cpresser> how does "hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.analogin0-scalemax" work?
[21:37:30] <pcw_home> it sets fullscale
[21:38:14] <cpresser> so assuming i want "hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.analogin0" to return values between 0 and 255. what do i need to set it to?
[21:38:46] <pcw_home> 255
[21:39:02] <cpresser> do i need to do some kind of restart?
[21:39:08] <pcw_home> no
[21:39:41] <cpresser> doesnt seem to work :/
[21:40:04] <pcw_home> note that you only have 8 bits of resolution over the full input range
[21:40:17] <cpresser> http://nopaste.info/a99b2f6ec8.html
[21:40:45] <cpresser> thats why i wanted 255.. to count LSBs :)
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[21:44:05] <fenugrec> Hi fellas, there's something about the toolchanger I don't understand. I wired iocontrol.0.tool-changed correctly (false during toolchange, true when TC complete). But if I issue "M6 T5; G0 Z10", the G0 Z10 move happens before the TC is finished ! Needless to say I was "surprised" when that happened. Luckily nothing broke.
[21:47:56] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MRmNQIEAAxQwh.jpg:large
[21:48:40] <cpresser> fenugrec: just in case, there is some documentation:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ToolChange
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[21:50:39] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:51:41] <pcw_home> cpresser: looks like theres a scaling bug in the driver probably for unsigned float values
[21:53:06] <fenugrec> cpresser: thanks, but it looks like it says basically the same as the Integrator's manual... I looped back "tool-prepare" and "tool-prepared"; I have a classicladder hooked up to "tool-change" and "tool-changed". Here's the HAL stuff:
http://pastebin.com/Z8RcKWmh
[21:53:51] <cpresser> fenugrec: why dont you just put the G0Z10 into the next line?
[21:54:11] <cpresser> pcw_home: ack. ill work around that issue for now
[21:54:16] <fenugrec> cpresser: it is, but I never remember how to paste linefeeds in IRC
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[21:56:32] <fenugrec> I can type "M6 T3 " then "G0 Z10" in the MDI, and the move starts before the HAL pin " iocontrol.0.tool-changed " goes true... I thought I had seen an option somewhere to allow moves during tool changes, but I can't find anything
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[21:58:54] <cpresser> fenugrec: i would look at iocontrol.0.tool-changed in halscope
[21:59:08] <cpresser> and see if you only get the one pulse.. just to be sure
[21:59:12] <fenugrec> hmmm I just thought of something, it might be due the classicladder scan causing "tool-changed" to go false a bit too late
[22:01:35] <cpresser> i assume "tool-changed" should be false anytime. and just produce one pulse when the tool-change is complete. deassert it as soon as you see "tool-change" going low
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[22:04:12] <fenugrec> cpresser I think you're right, I'll try that
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[22:14:36] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I found a clue to cairo queue_draw() triggers the expose event
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[22:23:41] <fenugrec> crap, the tool-changed pulse is too "short", iocontrol doesn't see it
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[22:45:02] <fenugrec> cpresser: I think I have it fixed now. I had to fiddle a bit with my ladder to get the tool-changed pulse right, but it should be good to go now. Thanks
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[23:03:07] <Jymmm> There is HalScope too
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