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[00:01:52] <fenugrec> Ah, got it. I think RS274 defines "clockwise" as "looking out from the spindle face"
[00:02:05] <fenugrec> that's what machinery's hbk says, at least.
[00:02:32] <fenugrec> That should definitely be added to the docs to prevent morons like me wasting 6hrs trying to thread "backwards" with g76
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[00:31:09] <fenugrec> aaaarg I think I'm getting spurious Index pulses from my encoder, it's mangling my threads
[00:32:15] <zeeshan|2> did you shield the encoder cable?
[00:32:29] <zeeshan|2> did you get your g76 working?
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[01:03:02] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, I got G76 "sortof" working (now that I clarified CW/CCW") but I'm getting what appears to be a 80-entry thread p-)
[01:03:28] <fenugrec> I'm checking the cabling right now, but it might just be the index pulse sensor that's misaligned
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[01:08:19] <zeeshan|2> does alignment matter a lot? :P
[01:08:42] <zeeshan|2> how many slots is your trigger wheel
[01:08:56] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/njCNjKP.jpg
[01:09:14] <fenugrec> 80/rev + 1/rev slots
[01:09:16] <zeeshan|2> i kinda eye balled it
[01:09:17] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:10:03] <zeeshan|2> ok yours is more precise than mine
[01:10:38] <fenugrec> I don't have the pic anymore, but mine has 2x3mm slots (for the 80/rev) and the index slots is like 2x5mm; it was plastic-printed by a friend of mine but concentricity is not incredible
[01:11:06] <fenugrec> Plus, I had to paint the bloody thing because the white ABS didn't occlude the LED enough !
[01:13:09] <zeeshan|2> you have 2 index slots? :D
[01:13:19] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:14:49] <fenugrec> nono just 1 index, 2mm*5mm
[01:14:59] <fenugrec> I dropped an "s"
[01:18:02] <zeeshan|2> i thought the slot width
[01:18:07] <zeeshan|2> had to be the same
[01:18:09] <zeeshan|2> as your other slots
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[01:18:25] <fenugrec> it is. Depth is 5
[01:18:52] <zeeshan|2> gotcha
[01:19:02] <zeeshan|2> wasn't sure what the dimensions were referring to :)
[01:19:37] <fenugrec> I'll be making another one though, and modifying the sensors to have full quadrature
[01:19:47] <fenugrec> but for now I need this to work
[01:19:53] <zeeshan|2> you need quadrature
[01:19:59] <zeeshan|2> to do LH threads right?
[01:20:12] <zeeshan|2> i forget :p
[01:21:18] <fenugrec> I don't think so - as long as you remember which way the spindle needs to turn
[01:21:56] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vePhuVR3Lc&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg
[01:22:01] <zeeshan|2> i found my threading video :D
[01:27:31] <fenugrec> coming soon to a lathe near me
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[01:28:34] <zeeshan|2> what lathe are you working on
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[01:31:19] <fenugrec> Denford easiturn 3 (
http://www.wotol.com/images/thumbs/800x800/198401_4037e79c23581764c8520817fb5469f9.jpg without the computer-box on top)
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[02:47:30] <Connor> pcw_home: Do you have any interface cards or anything that gives you a high speed encoder input using RS-422 expansion ?
[02:47:56] <Connor> from the 5i25 + 7i75
[02:47:58] <Connor> err. 7i76
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[02:49:51] <somenewguy> fenugrec: so to be clear, CW is the "normal" lathe direction of rotation?
[02:50:03] * somenewguy does not own a lathe
[02:50:06] <pcw_home> No, there are no full axis encoders as serial remotes
[02:50:39] <Connor> pcw_home: What are the ENC422 and 422ENC board for ?
[02:50:50] <somenewguy> oh and for shielded cable, what do you guys normaly use? I have no encoders so I don't ahve a need currently
[02:51:12] <somenewguy> it sounds like ppl typically add shieldsto existing cables, why not just use cut up USB cable or somesuch?
[02:52:03] <pcw_home> one channel TTL --> DIFF and DIFF --> TTL redrivers
[02:54:10] <Connor> pcw_home: Okay, so nothing to do with the RS-422 expansion port on the 7i76
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[02:55:17] <pcw_home> Made for I/O expansion
[02:56:00] <zeeshan|2> how many more i/os
[02:56:01] <zeeshan|2> can you get?
[02:56:12] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: im about to place an order from mesa
[02:56:20] <zeeshan|2> can you please confirm if i need anything else
[02:56:27] <zeeshan|2> so far im getting the 7i77 and 5i25 kit
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[02:57:22] <Connor> zeeshan|2: You might want the DIN rail brackets..
[02:57:46] <fenugrec> somenewguy: yes, CW is the usual direction you would use on a manual lathe.
[02:57:50] <Connor> for the 7i77...
[02:58:11] <fenugrec> somenewguy : but if your sitting on the toolpost looking at the chuck, it will look like CCW
[02:58:16] <fenugrec> *you're
[02:58:27] <zeeshan|2> remember guys
[02:58:29] <zeeshan|2> its right hand rule
[02:58:38] <zeeshan|2> positive z is away from the chuck
[02:58:47] <zeeshan|2> if your thumb points in the direction of the z axis
[02:59:03] <zeeshan|2> your fingers rotation gives you + direction of rotation
[02:59:15] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, it's also "viewed *from* the spindle face"
[03:00:00] <zeeshan|2> right hand will give you the correct answer as long as you define your coordinate system using right hand rule
[03:00:01] <zeeshan|2> :D
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[03:00:58] <zeeshan|2> like if you define towards spindle +z
[03:01:05] <zeeshan|2> and towards you +x
[03:01:13] <zeeshan|2> then its no longer a right handed coordinate system
[03:01:30] <zeeshan|2> connor din rail brackets ordered
[03:01:32] <zeeshan|2> anything else? : D
[03:01:40] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, X hand rules suck. It's better to know what a vector product is (i.e. "X+ vector (X) Y+ vector gives Z+; it's like turning a bolt from X+ to Y+ and so it "unscrews" and moves up Z+)
[03:02:21] <zeeshan|2> fenugrec: without right hand rule in mechanics
[03:02:24] <fenugrec> there's right hand rules for coord sys, hand rules for magnetic fields (but it's the opposite if you use electron flow instead of positive flow", etc
[03:02:24] <zeeshan|2> we'd be all confused :D
[03:02:28] <Connor> zeeshan|2: The only other possible thing you might want is the 7i73 Pendany Control panel interfcae..
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[03:03:01] <Connor> that would let you have a remote pendant (custom build of course) up to 30 Meters away using RS-422 interface.
[03:03:15] <fenugrec> it's a mess, confusing and looks retarded when you do it. I refuse to use X-hand rules
[03:03:23] <zeeshan|2> haha fenugrec i guess its preference
[03:03:31] <zeeshan|2> if you dont conform to them
[03:03:47] <zeeshan|2> then rh and lh thread are meaningless :P
[03:04:03] <zeeshan|2> cause then it will all depend on which way you look at the bolt from
[03:04:18] <zeeshan|2> as long as you get the right answer, who cares right? :D
[03:04:36] <zeeshan|2> connor i'd like to use a usb pendant
[03:04:38] <fenugrec> of course not !! Hold an RH bolt "upside down", if you turn it CW it will screw "away" from you
[03:04:46] <fenugrec> just as it does when "rightside up"
[03:05:02] <fenugrec> I came here for an argument
[03:05:06] <zeeshan|2> yea but lets say you're takling the cross product of two vectors
[03:05:13] <zeeshan|2> how do you know which way that third vector points
[03:05:17] <zeeshan|2> you know its normal
[03:05:21] <Connor> zeeshan|2: More thinking about your main console if your going to have a integrated MPG and buttons and stuff..
[03:05:31] <zeeshan|2> connor no main console
[03:05:35] <zeeshan|2> just computer interface
[03:05:35] <zeeshan|2> and mpg
[03:05:48] <Connor> and the 7i77 is going to be far enough away to make it painful to run wires between..
[03:05:50] <zeeshan|2> ideally i'd like it to be touch screen
[03:06:04] <zeeshan|2> so you no longer need any buttons except e-stop
[03:06:06] <Connor> I'm doing touchscreen, will have a MPG, and a few hard wired buttons.
[03:06:15] <zeeshan|2> what will be your hard wired buttons
[03:06:23] <somenewguy> DIN rail mounting makes life so much easier
[03:06:40] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, yes, cross product is what I was describing. I always view it like turning a wrench on a bolt - your handle is on the X+ axis, turn 1/4 turn (handle now on Y+), then visualize which way the bolt went. That direction is Z+, the result of cross prodct
[03:06:59] <somenewguy> so that would be the right hand thread rule?
[03:07:01] <Connor> Push-To-Start, E-Stop, maybe a external axis select for the MPG.
[03:07:03] <somenewguy> :P
[03:07:10] <zeeshan|2> you dont have axis select
[03:07:12] <zeeshan|2> on the pendant?
[03:07:22] <Connor> and a power draw release button.
[03:07:27] <somenewguy> oooh what are you doing for a touch screen? I really want to do one of those
[03:07:40] <somenewguy> But I think I am waiting for htem to come down in price first
[03:07:41] <fenugrec> somenewguy, encoders is not too critical for shielded cables - just about anything will do, it's not HF stuff. Just remember to connect the shield both ends
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[03:08:27] <Connor> zeeshan|2: I don't have a pendant.. just the main console.. but yes.. you would have a axis select on a pendant.
[03:08:39] <zeeshan|2> ah okasy
[03:08:56] <fenugrec> "data" cable that has a foil shield + drain wire will be quite OK. USB too, although some cheap cheap cables may be of questionable quality (like 3-strand 42Ga conductors that will break the second time you flex them)
[03:09:00] <Connor> I just finished making my DB25 breakout box..
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[03:09:59] <Connor> I need to order more ferrule's from digikey.. Running out..
[03:10:10] <zeeshan|2> pcw answer me!! :D
[03:10:31] <Connor> zeeshan|2: He's in the Devel channel helping someone else.
[03:10:36] <zeeshan|2> oh
[03:10:41] <zeeshan|2> connor
[03:10:42] <zeeshan|2> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=74_79
[03:10:47] <zeeshan|2> which din rail adapter is the one i want
[03:10:51] <zeeshan|2> for 5i25 and 7k77
[03:10:53] <zeeshan|2> 7i77
[03:11:06] <Connor> I bought 2 x 2pcs.
[03:11:11] <zeeshan|2> okay
[03:11:19] <Connor> but, I have th 7i76
[03:11:25] <zeeshan|2> same thing
[03:11:30] <zeeshan|2> just analog
[03:11:31] <zeeshan|2> vs step/dir
[03:11:46] <Connor> Different number of mounting points.. Mine has 4.
[03:11:53] <Connor> the 7i77 has 6
[03:11:55] <zeeshan|2> really? :/
[03:12:01] <zeeshan|2> okay then i prolly want the 3
[03:12:09] <Connor> so 2 x 3pcs
[03:12:18] <Connor> or 3 x 2 pcs. :)
[03:12:29] <zeeshan|2> http://store.mesanet.com/image/cache/data/Products/AIO-FPGA-Cards/7i77colo-500x500.png
[03:12:30] <fenugrec> OOO in other news, I *finally* managed to make some threads. Turns out I needed to debounce the encoder inputs
[03:12:30] <zeeshan|2> i see like
[03:12:36] <zeeshan|2> 2390123098312 gazzilion mounting holes
[03:12:42] <zeeshan|2> 6!
[03:12:46] <zeeshan|2> er
[03:12:47] <zeeshan|2> 12
[03:12:54] <Connor> 6 on top, 6 on bottom. the din rail uses 2..
[03:13:00] <Connor> err. din mount uses 2 per.
[03:13:04] <zeeshan|2> fenugrec: you might be getting noise in your encoder signal?
[03:13:11] <zeeshan|2> i didnt have to debounce mine
[03:13:33] <zeeshan|2> ill just wait till pcw chimes in :D
[03:13:38] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna pay for shipping tiwce :(
[03:14:01] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, not sure; I scoped the encoder pins right at the PCB, and at the other end of the computa cable, and signal seemed OK. Well obviously it wasn't, because with the HAL scope I was getting spurious pulses on both phase-A and phase-Z
[03:14:03] <Connor> 3 servo's + spindle right ?
[03:14:07] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:14:09] <zeeshan|2> 5 servos
[03:14:10] <zeeshan|2> + spindle
[03:14:17] <Connor> you have 5 servos ?
[03:14:22] <zeeshan|2> yea
[03:14:27] <zeeshan|2> for 5 axis
[03:14:36] <Connor> That machine was 5 axis ?
[03:14:37] <zeeshan|2> i have two 1/4 hp dc motors
[03:14:39] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:14:42] <zeeshan|2> im going to make it 5 axis
[03:15:04] <zeeshan|2> i want all the electronics ready for 5 axis
[03:15:22] <zeeshan|2> then use the mill to build the 4 axis table
[03:15:23] <zeeshan|2> er
[03:15:25] <zeeshan|2> 2 axis table
[03:15:30] <Connor> Then your good.
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[03:15:41] <Connor> Couldn't think what else you would need.
[03:15:46] <zeeshan|2> for input wise
[03:16:09] <Connor> 7i77 has 32 inputs and 16 outputs..
[03:16:18] <zeeshan|2> yea im using like 5 on the bob currently
[03:16:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:16:32] <Connor> 2 of the 32 will be used for the MPG,
[03:16:41] <zeeshan|2> mpg needs inputs?
[03:16:43] <Connor> you don't have a tool changer do you ?
[03:16:43] <zeeshan|2> i thought it worked through usb
[03:16:47] <zeeshan|2> no tool changer
[03:16:53] <zeeshan|2> maybe id like to in the future, but not anytime soon
[03:17:07] <zeeshan|2> its got a power drawbar on it already
[03:17:08] <zeeshan|2> hydraulic
[03:17:10] <Connor> No, MPG's are hardwire.. I.E. they're encoders.. Pendant's can be USB..
[03:17:13] <zeeshan|2> which should make tool changes okay
[03:17:28] <Connor> okay.. so 1 output for that. maybe a output for the Coolant pump.
[03:17:35] <zeeshan|2> the pendants have the mpg on them
[03:17:36] <Connor> maybe one for airblast.
[03:17:40] <zeeshan|2> like that wireless one
[03:17:41] <zeeshan|2> xhc?
[03:17:53] <zeeshan|2> definitely need 1 output for coolant pump
[03:17:59] <zeeshan|2> which will turn on the vfd
[03:18:07] <Connor> Yes, I'm talking about ones like this...
http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=163
[03:18:14] <zeeshan|2> ohh
[03:18:16] <zeeshan|2> im talking about this:
[03:18:26] <Connor> MPG != Pendant
[03:18:40] <Connor> A pendant can include a MPG, or just buttons...
[03:18:42] <zeeshan|2> aha i was confusing
[03:18:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1941841020/Free-Shipping-New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-font-b-Mach3-b-font-For-CNC-Mac.jpg
[03:18:59] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/ci50ock.png
[03:19:03] <zeeshan|2> currently thats what i have laid out
[03:19:09] <zeeshan|2> vfd for hydraulic pump, one for coolant
[03:19:10] <zeeshan|2> and spindle
[03:19:21] <Connor> Mine will have a built-in MPG along with hardware button for Push-To-Start, Power-Draw-Bar release.. and not sure what else.
[03:19:25] <zeeshan|2> i will need an encoder on the spindle :(
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[03:19:50] <Connor> Does your spindle not have a encoder ?
[03:19:55] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:19:58] <zeeshan|2> i dont thinkso
[03:20:07] <zeeshan|2> i havent taken that panel off
[03:20:12] <zeeshan|2> but i dont see any wires going there that are obvious
[03:20:18] <zeeshan|2> its only one wire going to the motor
[03:20:26] <zeeshan|2> a bundle of wires that is
[03:20:43] <somenewguy> link for that pendand?
[03:21:04] <Connor> Be careful on those.. only get the ones that say they're for Mach3.
[03:21:24] <zeeshan|2> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[03:21:27] <Connor> The other ones are for a proprietary control and won't work with the linuxcnc drivers.
[03:21:34] <somenewguy> as apposed to
[03:21:37] <somenewguy> oh that makes sense
[03:21:38] <zeeshan|2> i remember there was a maunal version for this
[03:21:43] <zeeshan|2> er
[03:21:47] <zeeshan|2> wire version
[03:21:50] <zeeshan|2> not wireless
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[03:25:04] <Connor> I'm not seeing the one that's NOT for mach3 now..
[03:25:10] <Connor> They had some on ebay.
[03:26:30] <somenewguy> I remember those pendants being pretty pricey, but that one sounds cheap seeing as how its so popular lol
[03:26:43] <zeeshan|2> wireless scares me
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[03:26:44] <zeeshan|2> :(
[03:26:44] <somenewguy> but I am haveing a surprisng amount of time finding them for sale lol, I can find DIY clones tho
[03:26:51] <zeeshan|2> "battery out during +x feed"
[03:26:53] <zeeshan|2> oh noes!
[03:26:55] <zeeshan|2> spindle crash!
[03:27:12] <zeeshan|2> unless when the signal drops
[03:27:13] <zeeshan|2> it stops
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[03:27:23] <somenewguy> thats why I have my trusty hard wired sound port joystick to control my mill
[03:27:31] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:27:34] <somenewguy> *gameport
[03:27:35] <zeeshan|2> somenewguy: what kind of mill
[03:27:41] <somenewguy> taig
[03:27:45] <somenewguy> desktop
[03:27:47] <zeeshan|2> ah
[03:28:22] <somenewguy> When I upgrade the shop I'll go full size, but unitll then this little bastard has been invaluable
[03:28:59] <somenewguy> being able to pretned I have a lathe is awesome
[03:29:11] <somenewguy> without actually loosing precious shop space to more equiptment
[03:31:48] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ncstudio-CNC-3-Axis-USB-wireless-MPG-pendant-Controller-engraving-for-NC-studio-/251582528060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a937cba3c
[03:32:01] <Connor> That's the one to NOT get.. the one for NC studio
[03:32:16] <zeeshan|2> hook me up with alink for wired pendant :D
[03:32:40] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3-Axis-4-axis-USB-HandWheel-MPG-pendant-for-Mach-3-engraving-Router-system-/171194705426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dbffe612
[03:32:48] <Connor> That one.
[03:33:05] <Connor> 4 Axis. has the nicer key layout.. non of that stupid Marco crap
[03:33:41] <zeeshan|2> connor
[03:33:46] <zeeshan|2> i have a mpg that came with this machine
[03:33:49] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if i should use it
[03:33:50] <zeeshan|2> it looks really nice
[03:34:01] <Connor> That would be the one for the console..
[03:34:09] <zeeshan|2> yea
[03:34:13] <Connor> and yes. One at the console is a good idea.
[03:34:56] <Connor> they also have that key layout in wireless..
[03:40:40] <zeeshan|2> do you know if when using the wireless one
[03:40:43] <zeeshan|2> if battery does out
[03:40:48] <zeeshan|2> *goes out whle youre jogging
[03:40:51] <zeeshan|2> it'll stop jogging?
[03:40:58] <Connor> It should
[03:41:09] <Connor> I think they have a dead-man circuit in them so to speak.
[03:41:19] <zeeshan|2> itr'd really suck
[03:41:23] <zeeshan|2> if youre doing something precise
[03:41:25] <zeeshan|2> and boom it does
[03:41:26] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:41:50] <zeeshan|2> wireless is way more convienient though cause you can get really close to the part when jogging
[03:45:01] <fenugrec> Does anyone know if there's a .ini option to force AXIS to start with "show relative position" activated ?
[03:45:10] <cradek> yes
[03:45:16] <fenugrec> I can't find it
[03:46:03] <zeeshan|2> look under [display]
[03:46:09] <zeeshan|2> i think its position offset
[03:46:10] <zeeshan|2> or something
[03:46:28] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:DISPLAY-section
[03:46:29] <cradek> yeah that's it
[03:46:50] <fenugrec> aaah thanks guys I was looking 10 lines too low
[03:47:08] <zeeshan|2> how do you setup
[03:47:12] <zeeshan|2> default g-coides on startup
[03:47:16] <zeeshan|2> my thing always shows radial coordinates
[03:47:18] <zeeshan|2> when i want diameter
[03:47:33] <fenugrec> zeeshan|2, in [RS274NGC] : RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE = G7 G18 G21 G40 G49 G80 G90 G95
[03:47:41] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:47:44] <zeeshan|2> thank u
[03:47:50] <fenugrec> hehe fair enough
[03:48:00] <zeeshan|2> i feel like making something on the lathe
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[03:59:48] <somenewguy> thanks for the link
[03:59:54] <somenewguy> not too bad, but about waht I remember for price
[04:00:00] <somenewguy> I'll get a touchscreen first
[04:02:46] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: !
[04:02:47] <zeeshan|2> :D
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[04:11:53] * zeeshan|2 placed the order
[04:11:56] <zeeshan|2> hopefully its all i need :P
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[04:33:08] <MacGalempsy> hello from the new office!
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[04:33:49] <zeeshan> HELLO!
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[04:34:35] <MacGalempsy> whats happening/
[04:34:37] <MacGalempsy> ?
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[05:02:01] <zeeshan> if im driving 3 loads, 3A, 1A, and 9A from one 15A breaker
[05:02:07] <zeeshan> all 3 wires are 14awg
[05:02:25] <zeeshan> would it be advisable to put fuse protection for the 3A and 1A load
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[05:02:33] <zeeshan> so put 5A and 3A fuse respectively?
[05:03:05] <zeeshan> just incase there is some sort of crazy overload within the 3A load that draws 8A for example
[05:03:12] <zeeshan> which will cause it to burn out
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[05:03:17] <zeeshan> but the upstream wire will still be ok
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[05:20:22] <somenewguy> if it is a motor, yes as it will save the motor
[05:20:40] <somenewguy> a stalled motor or wierd failure can draw amore than rated current, but not aact like a short
[05:20:51] <somenewguy> so a circuit w/ too much fuse overhead may not trip out
[05:21:15] <somenewguy> but otoh if the only real failure mode youexpect is a dead short, then just use the large fuse you need and it will protect everything
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[05:22:21] <somenewguy> I have started using PTC fuses aka self-resetting or thermal fuses, which will reset and can handle large loads, but won't trip when big motors start up
[05:22:39] <somenewguy> they act like slow blow fuses basically, but you don't need to replace them when they go, so thye are good when you don't ahve good access
[05:22:58] <somenewguy> also since they are temperature based, you can also mount them on things that, when they get hot, you want power to stop
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[05:26:07] <witnit> any yaskawa,motoman users out there?
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[05:27:49] <witnit> the chatlogs seem rather dry on information regarding success rate with yaskawa
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[06:49:24] <Deejay> moin
[06:49:59] <zeeshan> witnit: ive heard of one person using yaskawa drives
[06:50:04] <zeeshan> what are you looking for exactly?
[06:50:15] <zeeshan> are you talking about servo or spindle
[07:03:52] <MrSunshine> ive got a yaskawa vfd that i had for the spindle on my micromill =)
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[08:52:42] <DoingItMyself> Working on a belt driven cnc. Any advantages to an omega drive as opposed to a fixed motor driven axis?
[09:07:47] <archivist> cannot think of any except build cost
[09:08:41] <archivist> you have to think of what you are cutting and speeds needed too
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[10:13:49] <witnit> zeeshan I was looking to do an overhaul on a motoman AC servo system using a mesa card.
[10:14:15] <witnit> mrsunshine forward it please :)
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[14:01:56] <JT-Shop> dang I left the garage door open last night... cool in here this morning
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[14:45:00] <Loetmichel> i should apply to the police force... thats my 5th donut i am eating today ;-)
[14:46:02] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: as long as all your tools still there... i live in a city where you will have an empty garage after leaving it open over night...
[14:52:52] <JT-Shop> I live out in the woods on a dead end dirt road off of a dirt road
[14:53:25] <Loetmichel> ok then... ;)
[14:55:18] <JT-Shop> besides It would take a small army to clean out my shop
[14:55:45] <zeeshan> rofl Loetmichel
[14:56:13] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: i live in what i thought was a quiet, secure neighbourhood
[14:56:21] <zeeshan> i left an alternator and battery outside my front door step
[14:56:26] <zeeshan> for 30 minutes while working on my car outside
[14:56:29] <zeeshan> and it was GONE!
[14:58:14] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, any racoons pay you a visit?
[14:58:47] <archivist> we have scrap men travelling around all the time, never leave metallic items on show
[14:59:40] <Tom_itx> he sleeps on the porch with a shotgun
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[15:00:49] <zeeshan> archivist: lol
[15:03:15] <Rab> witnit, I know people working on a Motoman, but it's more of an amateur effort:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Giant_robot_arm
[15:04:09] <zeeshan> :D
[15:04:25] <zeeshan> i ordered so many parts this yestrday
[15:04:38] <zeeshan> im not allowed to spend anymore for the rest of the month
[15:04:39] <zeeshan> :P
[15:04:49] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, they only "visit" once
[15:05:10] <zeeshan> 10hp sumitomo vfd, 0.5hp nfx9000 eaton vfd (i figured it would work better since it has modbus, and i have an extra one)
[15:05:43] <zeeshan> mesa hardware, interpolators, 5 amc servo drives, 5v meanwell supply, rs485 rs232 converter
[15:05:53] <zeeshan> this will be the first time im going to communicate with 3 drives over modbus
[15:05:55] <zeeshan> i hope it works out
[15:06:59] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you get your ball mount done?
[15:11:28] <JT-Shop> nope
[15:11:47] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: the hydraulic power pack on your log splitter
[15:11:52] <zeeshan> how much power was the electric motor?
[15:12:09] <JT-Shop> it's an IC engine
[15:12:10] <Tom_itx> zeeshan it's not electric
[15:12:12] <zeeshan> did electric motor have (what happened to my english)
[15:12:14] <zeeshan> oh
[15:12:18] <zeeshan> what hp gas motor
[15:12:53] <JT-Shop> 7hp 190cc
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[15:13:59] <zeeshan> i have not worked on hydraulic befores, but do you think its normal to have a .5 hp motor for a hydraulic power pack whos sole job is actuate the hydraulic cylinder for a power draw bar?
[15:14:56] <JT-Shop> if it is oem I'd guess it is correct
[15:15:13] <JT-Shop> I've never seen a hydraulic draw bar...
[15:15:40] <Rab> zeeshan, maybe you can rip it all out and use a linear actuator.
[15:16:01] <zeeshan> rab thats one thing i'd like to keep as is
[15:16:02] <zeeshan> to save $
[15:16:08] <zeeshan> thats why i got a vfd for the electric motor
[15:16:27] <zeeshan> im just a little drawn back by it because i have not worked on this kind of stuff before
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[15:17:05] <Rab> zeeshan, seems like a lot of extra maintenance. Leaky seal could mess up your day.
[15:18:04] <zeeshan> haha
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[15:18:12] <zeeshan> rab: might be hard to find a linear actuator for cheap
[15:18:17] <zeeshan> that can handle the drawbar loads
[15:18:22] <zeeshan> which i have no clue are what
[15:18:25] <zeeshan> i'd have top figure it out
[15:18:30] <Rab> Yeah, hydraulic is good for torque.
[15:18:41] <zeeshan> like they had pneumatics back then
[15:18:57] <zeeshan> there musta been a good reason they went through the hassle of putting a whole hydraulic power pack
[15:19:04] <zeeshan> and not use aire
[15:19:14] <zeeshan> cause my first thought was, replace it with a pneumatic cylinder
[15:19:49] <zeeshan> maybe their were trying to make the machine indepdenent from shop supplies except electricity?
[15:20:10] <zeeshan> this is the same company that said to run the machine off 240VDC batteries
[15:20:11] <zeeshan> LOL
[15:20:28] <Tom_itx> hydraulics are more 'position specific' than pneumatics
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[15:21:11] <Speedevil> zeeshan: It's probably the power drawbar design was pulled from another machine that atually had a lot more hydrulics
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[15:21:47] <zeeshan> that'd make sense
[15:22:23] <zeeshan> im going to try to power the hydraulic motor today
[15:22:30] <zeeshan> and the solenoids and try actuating the drawbar
[15:22:32] <zeeshan> i hope theres no leak!
[15:22:52] <Tom_itx> do you see any oil crud around the hydraulics?
[15:22:59] <zeeshan> no
[15:23:01] <Tom_itx> there probably aren't any if not
[15:24:31] <zeeshan> i might be a hoarder
[15:24:40] <zeeshan> but instead of scrapping the electrical cabinet this thing came with
[15:24:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/SdfQVpI.jpg
[15:24:53] <zeeshan> if i rotate it 90 degrees
[15:24:56] <zeeshan> it makes a good work bench
[15:25:00] <zeeshan> =D
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[15:36:38] <Speedevil> hah
[15:37:12] <Speedevil> Also - holy shit is that huge
[15:37:24] <zeeshan> 72"
[15:37:28] <zeeshan> so itll make a 6 foot work bench
[15:37:38] <zeeshan> i can store my buckets and shop vac under it
[15:39:09] <Rab> Looks like it got kicked in pretty badly at the bottom, maybe from someone trying to move it around with a forklift?
[15:39:10] <archivist> store a milling machine on it
[15:39:27] <zeeshan> rab that is a thin wall cover
[15:39:34] <zeeshan> that can be ubolted off
[15:39:38] <zeeshan> i was thinking off cutting that entire portion off
[15:39:54] <zeeshan> and keeping the portion thats reinforced with that rectangular bar
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[15:40:28] <zeeshan> the table workbench is .185 thick
[15:40:40] <zeeshan> maybe through a wood panel on top of it
[15:41:05] <zeeshan> need to clean it up first :(
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[15:58:38] <Loetmichel> *hrmpf* note to self: when cutting the cable to the little power regulator fan on the PC: cut one wire a time... not all at once... that was a cold reboot ;-)
[15:59:09] <Tom_itx> woops
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[19:02:09] <pfred1> Is there anybody out there?
[19:02:34] <zeeshan> :D
[19:02:46] <pfred1> !seen cradek
[19:02:47] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc-devel 2014-10-19 17:55:42GMT 02:07:04 ago, saying it does smell like power supply or ram
[19:03:03] <zeeshan> !seen zeeshan
[19:03:03] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2014-10-19 20:02:34GMT 00:00:29 ago, saying :D
[19:03:08] <zeeshan> haha cool
[19:03:12] <pfred1> oh so now he doesn't mingle with the riff raff?
[19:03:43] <pfred1> I wanted to tell him that axis crashed on his Debian build
[19:03:58] <pfred1> but when I updated I think it might have got fixed?
[19:04:09] <pfred1> I haven't seen it crash since
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[20:22:37] <somenewguy> So I am revisiting my NGCGUI library, brining things on the server up to date, consolidating changes etc
[20:23:03] <somenewguy> to try and keep steam in the engine, does anyone have any requests for tools I should write? everything I'm doing is for a mill cause its what I have
[20:23:32] <somenewguy> bascially just universal tools to mill out basic shapes, I just added cutting rectangles with filleted corners
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[21:06:32] <Deejay> gn8
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