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[00:13:51] <maZer`-> hi all
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[00:14:48] <maZer`-> i build a custom mdi script wich i can run over pyvcp, is there a way i can insert code that will ask me every time like "are you sure you want to run this command?"
[00:14:53] <maZer`-> yes | no :D
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[00:34:02] <maZer`-> noone idea :(
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[00:36:37] <jdh> no clue
[00:37:49] <tjtr33> maZer`-, i think its possible. because you could write a python M1xx code, and that code could ask for the response.. I been looking to see if it was a 'good' idea, and cant find anything saying 'here's how' nor cani find 'dont do that'
[00:37:56] <tjtr33> so give it a try
[00:39:14] <tjtr33> hmm can write it bash too
[00:39:14] <jdh> you could, perhaps, have one pyvcp button that said 'run this script' that actually just enables another button that says, "yes, I really do want to run this script and crash the spindle"
[00:39:33] <tjtr33> but dont exec it right away
[00:39:42] <tjtr33> alway do the frkn M$ are you sure
[00:39:55] <maZer`-> big thanks
[00:40:23] <jdh> and after the third crash after someone clicked 'yes', pop up another one that says "are you really really sure"
[00:40:30] <maZer`-> haha
[00:40:50] <jdh> after you run it 10 times, the 11th time you will hit the 'are you sure' by rote.
[00:41:07] <maZer`-> i have a script that will touch the tool length, and i just want to ask for "you want to write this value into tool table?" :)
[00:44:59] <tjtr33> still unsure if its a good idea, but i do wrap bash command scripts with 'zenity' a tiny gui
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[00:49:03] <jdh> if you are using pyvcp, I would assume you could do that in pyvcp by enabling/disabling other options. But, I've never written any pyvcp :)
[00:50:23] <maZer`-> ahh ok
[00:50:24] <maZer`-> :D
[00:53:09] <maZer`-> and just last question
[00:53:58] <maZer`-> is there a way to switch to a absolute coordinate system that also absolute from the home ? also a coordinate system that is not to be able to be zerod
[00:54:57] <jdh> like G90?
[00:55:37] <maZer`-> ahhm no because that will only switch the mode i will travel
[00:55:52] <maZer`-> i mean to switch to a coordinate system that is not changeable by user
[00:56:16] <maZer`-> default is g54 i think
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[01:09:26] <tjtr33> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G53-Move-in
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[01:10:13] <maZer`-> AHHHH yes big big big thanks! i searched this
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[02:06:14] <ssi> HI
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[02:49:01] <ssi> pete
[02:49:15] <PetefromTn_andro> Hello
[02:49:44] <ssi> it's dead in here tonight
[02:49:53] <ssi> I was hoping to put some heads together about this weird fan grease issue :)
[02:51:04] <PetefromTn_andro> Well I already told you what I thought but I'm open for discussion LOL
[02:51:23] <ssi> what did you tell me?
[02:51:56] <PetefromTn_andro> In our text session earlier Today
[02:52:01] <ssi> yeah I just re-read it
[02:52:10] <ssi> you said that it looks like yours, but yours didn't have grease
[02:52:36] <PetefromTn_andro> I seriously doubt it has anything to with keeping chips out really
[02:52:56] <ssi> what in the world is it there for?
[02:53:11] <ssi> there's a metal ring that was snapped into the housing below the fan that seems to be there to keep the grease in place
[02:53:25] <ssi> the grease was packed like 1" thick all around the outside of the housing, and the tips of the blades drag through it
[02:53:25] <PetefromTn_andro> I honestly don't think it is supposed to have that grease in it
[02:53:28] <ssi> super weird
[02:53:34] <ssi> where the hell did it come from then?
[02:53:46] <ssi> it's way too much clean grease to have gotten there from years of filthy use
[02:53:53] <ssi> it's seriously like a whole tube of grease
[02:54:01] <ssi> there's no zerks or anything
[02:54:05] <ssi> it's on the inside of a plastic housing
[02:54:05] <PetefromTn_andro> I have no idea man. Especially if the blades hit the grease
[02:54:11] <ssi> so weird
[02:54:24] <ssi> the spindle motor itself is a big square can, and the top of it when you remove the fan housing is sealed
[02:54:34] <ssi> and it's covered in a layer of grease that looks like it was slung there by the fan
[02:54:44] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah that's similar to mine
[02:54:58] <ssi> well you've got the shaft coming out the top, right?
[02:55:02] <ssi> for the resolver/encoder?
[02:55:29] <PetefromTn_andro> I wonder if a previous owner did it for some strange reason
[02:56:17] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzy4ZygIUAAwqG-.jpg:large
[02:56:30] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah it has a stub shaft for the resolver encoder and a dust seal in the top of the housing
[02:56:37] <ssi> yeah mine doesn't have that
[02:56:43] <ssi> there's an encoder, but I'm not sure yet where it is :)
[02:57:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Those slots in the sides are for air flow
[02:57:18] <ssi> yeah
[02:57:38] <PetefromTn_andro> So I cannot imagine any reason to have grease in the area
[02:57:48] <ssi> well I brought the housing and fan home
[02:57:53] <ssi> I'm gonna throw it in the parts washer and clean it out
[02:58:04] <ssi> I hope the plastic housing is kerosene safe :P
[02:58:17] <PetefromTn_andro> Is your encoder on the spindle somehow?
[02:58:23] <ssi> not sure!
[02:58:31] <ssi> it's certainly not on the top of the motor
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[02:58:49] <ssi> but on the electrical box on the side of the motor, up at the top, the 3ph for the spindle and the 3ph for the fan and the encoder cable all terminate
[02:59:04] <PetefromTn_andro> Well it could be under that cover on top of the motor possibly
[02:59:23] <ssi> could be
[02:59:44] <PetefromTn_andro> It looks like it might unscrew
[02:59:50] <ssi> yeah it does
[03:00:05] <PetefromTn_andro> Does the three phase wiring go in that area
[03:00:07] <ssi> you can see I knocked the grease off one of the pan head screws on the lower left
[03:00:20] <ssi> I think it might go in the wide spot on the left side
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[03:01:18] <PetefromTn_andro> WTF?
[03:01:22] <ssi> lol
[03:01:47] <PetefromTn_andro> It said disconnected for timeout or something like that
[03:02:13] <ssi> yeah that happens
[03:02:21] <PetefromTn_andro> Oh okay
[03:03:03] <PetefromTn_andro> My kids are going to school Tuesday after falling break here
[03:03:15] <ssi> I'm wondering if tomorrow is a work holiday
[03:03:15] <PetefromTn_andro> Fall
[03:03:31] <PetefromTn_andro> What's tomorrow again?
[03:03:35] <ssi> columbus day
[03:03:41] <PetefromTn_andro> Aah
[03:03:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Should be anyway LOL
[03:04:53] <PetefromTn_andro> Had a guy that bought a rifle from a former customer. Contact me about some parts he wants made.
[03:05:02] <ssi> nice
[03:05:07] <ssi> I have a small job for the laser
[03:05:23] <ssi> bunch of endcaps for podponics's light extrusion, out of 1/4" acrylic
[03:05:29] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I know him and we shot together several times before
[03:05:46] <PetefromTn_andro> Sweet
[03:06:03] <PetefromTn_andro> any word on that other job?
[03:06:10] <ssi> no, still waiting to hear back from davidson
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[03:06:24] <ssi> forrest is still designing the rectifier board, which is what goes in those bxes
[03:06:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Okay
[03:06:41] <ssi> my guess is they'll drag their feet until the boards are back and assembled, and then suddenly it'll be a mad rush to get them done
[03:06:44] <ssi> that's sort of how they operate
[03:06:59] <PetefromTn_andro> you'll probably have your machine working by the time it's ready LOL
[03:07:03] <ssi> might :P
[03:07:19] <ssi> I dunno, I got set back a week with this drive debacle :P
[03:07:27] <ssi> I should have my VFD this week though, and a couple of the AMC drives
[03:07:35] <PetefromTn_andro> Oh just a week..
[03:07:44] <ssi> set back a week, yes
[03:07:47] <PetefromTn_andro> Sigh
[03:07:50] <ssi> because I have to wait for drives to be shipped
[03:07:58] <ssi> doesn't mean I'll be done in a week
[03:08:07] <ssi> just means it'll take at least a week longer than it would have otherwise :P
[03:08:22] <ssi> and the drives I bought may not even work for me
[03:08:23] <PetefromTn_andro> Take your time and do it right man
[03:09:02] <ssi> ...
[03:09:04] <ssi> k never mind
[03:09:06] <ssi> going to watch tv
[03:10:13] <PetefromTn_andro> Did I say something wrong?
[03:10:55] <ssi> the implication that I'm not "doing it right" is somewhat insulting
[03:11:27] <PetefromTn_andro> Where did I imply that you were not doing anything right?
[03:11:38] <ssi> three minutes ago
[03:12:45] <PetefromTn_andro> Well if anything I said came across that way it was not intended and I apologize
[03:13:35] <ssi> it's fine
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[03:16:51] <PetefromTn_andro> Hey slick hehe
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[03:19:46] <PetefromTn_andro> Hopefully I will get the tooling I ordered tomorrow.
[03:22:22] <Tom_itx> you missed a good fight after the race..
[03:22:41] <PetefromTn_andro> What fight
[03:22:54] <Tom_itx> the videos are on their website
[03:23:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Not sure what you are talking about
[03:23:28] <Tom_itx> nascar
[03:23:52] <PetefromTn_andro> Oh was there another broohaha after the race LOL
[03:24:17] <Tom_itx> from some of the cooler heads
[03:24:27] <PetefromTn_andro> Really
[03:24:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Was not aware that there were cooler heads in NASCAR
[03:25:06] <Tom_itx> sure there are
[03:25:24] <PetefromTn_andro> Well who was fighting
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[03:25:55] <Tom_itx> you can watch it if you want
[03:27:10] <PetefromTn_andro> Ok
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[03:35:43] <gammax> Evening all
[03:36:30] <gammax> Anyone selling some mesa cards?! :D
[03:38:18] <somenewguy> I think mesa is
[03:42:11] <somenewguy> should I be learning how to use python2 or 3? I'm lazy and want to commit. it seems like everything i play w/ that mentions python mentions 2, but linuxcnc is most important to me
[03:43:38] <gammax> im lookin for some used ones or scratch dent!
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[03:50:36] <gammax> Cant decide if i should try to repair my lathemate hardinge or just swap to linux cnc
[03:52:08] <zeeshan> linuxnc
[03:52:10] <zeeshan> cnc
[03:52:25] <zeeshan> starting to fall in love with the mill
[03:52:36] <zeeshan> it puts my manual mill to shame!
[03:52:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WOEAa3v.jpg
[03:52:40] <zeeshan> those ways are beefy
[03:53:02] <zeeshan> im in the process of cleaning up the years of dirt on this thing
[03:53:29] <somenewguy> oh baby
[03:53:57] <XXCoder> beefy indeed
[03:54:00] <XXCoder> its cnc mill?
[03:54:02] <zeeshan> yea
[03:54:06] <zeeshan> the bottom way
[03:54:10] <zeeshan> has a v
[03:54:13] <zeeshan> well
[03:54:21] <zeeshan> \- that type of shape
[03:54:46] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BJwxuvO.jpg
[03:55:17] <zeeshan> about the same for the z i'd say
[03:55:22] <zeeshan> slightly bigger
[03:55:52] <XXCoder> damn its big
[03:55:59] <XXCoder> how much did you pay again?
[03:56:05] <zeeshan> 2k
[03:56:23] <zeeshan> i was taking it apart
[03:56:24] <zeeshan> to check out the ways
[03:56:28] <zeeshan> and theyre pretty mint
[03:56:32] <XXCoder> pretty cheap but then no idea
[03:59:00] <zeeshan> i wish there was some way to jog the motors
[03:59:11] <zeeshan> so i can take it apart more easily
[03:59:21] <zeeshan> i guess i can disconnect the servos
[03:59:29] <zeeshan> which i should do anyway to test them off the machine
[04:00:32] <zeeshan> they were definitely using this machine to drill pcbs
[04:00:44] <zeeshan> i found a replica of a circuit board
[04:00:45] <zeeshan> on the table.
[04:00:46] <zeeshan> lol
[04:00:53] <zeeshan> bastards drilled like 1mm holes in one spot of it
[04:03:15] <somenewguy> you gonna finish wiring it?
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[04:06:09] <zeeshan> somenewguy: after i take it all aprt first
[04:06:13] <zeeshan> i wanna go over everything
[04:06:21] <somenewguy> oh no i mean the circuit board they left for you
[04:06:29] <somenewguy> ;)
[04:06:43] <somenewguy> I'll be here all night
[04:07:30] <zeeshan> im done for the night
[04:07:31] <zeeshan> need FOOD
[04:07:36] <zeeshan> i feel like a shawarma
[04:07:38] <zeeshan> delicious
[04:07:44] <somenewguy> making me hungry man
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[04:59:24] <Connor> zeeshan was that picture of the hydraulics you was talking about?
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[05:04:08] <gammax> recomendations on vises?
[05:04:18] <XXCoder> Kurt
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[05:04:21] <gammax> besides a kurt? I need one at a good price
[05:04:38] <Connor> Glacern
[05:04:43] <XXCoder> kurt is good to me so far but I dont know any other
[05:05:03] <Connor> For "economical" Shars has some.. but.. not Kurt or Glacern
[05:05:51] <gammax> shars... forgot about them
[05:06:13] <gammax> getting my shop back up and running... currently only have the stock ones that came with my pm45 and one from enco a long time ago!
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[10:46:23] * Loetmichel has just been delivered three mp3 radios.. *haach how cute!* and they sound quite well for such a tiny ting *charging battery* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15338 http://www.ebay.de/itm/271611608222 :-)
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[11:42:42] <anomynous> is there a program which would visualize lathe programs?
[11:44:31] <jdh> something other than axis backplot?
[11:46:10] <anomynous> where i would have a means to define part profile and then cutter movements would be visualized
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[11:53:27] <Jymmm> anomynous: What jdh said.
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[12:08:56] <Tom_itx> any good cad cam will
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[12:13:01] <anomynous> thanks all. Still cant pick one, though. Are there ones written in python?
[12:13:22] <anomynous> i wanna use external editor =)
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[14:33:19] <gammax> morning all
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[14:49:48] <ssi> morn
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[15:21:27] <gammax> Does lcnc have anything built in for accuracy when it comes to steppers? IE, steppers with encoders to show fault?
[15:22:15] <ssi> yeah it can be done
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[15:23:57] <archivist> probably better to get servos when bothered about accuracy
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[15:26:46] <CaptHindsight> I always thought the reasoning behind open loop was that the system is designed so that the chances of missing or gaining a step are extremely low
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[15:27:10] <CaptHindsight> step or fraction of a step
[15:27:35] <archivist> yes but then they assume microsteps gives them insane accuracy!
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[15:28:19] <CaptHindsight> yeah, It comes down to poor design and then they blame the steppers
[15:29:33] <archivist> unrealistic expectations I think
[15:30:40] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANUC-SPINDLE-MOTOR-FAN-A90L-0001-0318-R-/310879384995?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item4861daf5a3
[15:30:45] <ssi> THAT ONE isn't packed in grease!
[15:31:41] <CaptHindsight> it's broken in so you don't have to wait to use it at full power
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[15:32:08] <ssi> no check this out
[15:32:08] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzy4eJuIQAA5nyh.jpg:large
[15:32:13] <ssi> mine was PACKED with grease
[15:32:20] <ssi> between that metal ring and the top of the housing
[15:32:25] <ssi> this pic is after I was trying to clean it up
[15:32:31] <ssi> oand I was pulling HANDFULS of clean grease out
[15:32:42] <ssi> the fan blade tips were actually running in the grease
[15:32:45] <ssi> I can't imagine why that was there
[15:32:58] <ssi> and I'm trying to figure out if I need to repack it when I put it back together
[15:33:18] <CaptHindsight> maybe they though it was a grease pump, like an auto lube
[15:33:25] <ssi> lol
[15:33:30] <ssi> how'd they get it in there?!
[15:34:29] <CaptHindsight> were they trying to quiet the spindle?
[15:34:36] <CaptHindsight> who knows
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[15:34:51] <archivist> it leaked from the spindle
[15:35:14] <ssi> archivist: really?
[15:35:44] <archivist> or from some other place
[15:35:55] <ssi> the spindle would make sense
[15:36:10] <ssi> airflow is up, it'd suck it up from the spindle and centrifugally deposit it along the outside
[15:36:20] <ssi> well but I mean from teh motor
[15:36:22] <ssi> not the spindle itself
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[15:36:44] <archivist> spindle bearings and any other leak
[15:37:09] <ssi> it's like a whole tube of grease though
[15:37:11] <ssi> and it seems clean
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[15:37:35] <archivist> is the pressure relief blocked on the lube supply over pressurising the bearing seals
[15:38:01] <ssi> I don't think this machine has auto-lube
[15:38:13] <ssi> I know all the linear bearings have zerks that need to be manually serviced
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[15:39:07] <archivist> any pneumatics that carried lube to the tool change
[15:40:31] <ssi> k well I'll assume then that i don't have to repack that housing with grease
[15:40:47] <ssi> I'm gonna wash it in the parts washer, which is kerosene right now, hopefully that plastic will hold up :)
[15:43:37] <pcw_home> Nooo! you will ruin the special grease cooled spindle
[15:44:40] <ssi> SPAYSHUL?!
[15:45:18] <ssi> this machine has a spindle chiller too, although I haven't quite figured out how that works yet
[15:46:14] <CaptHindsight> does it circulate water?
[15:46:17] <archivist> grease cooling too!
[15:46:21] <ssi> yeah
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[15:48:35] <SpeedEvil> On really great machines, you can use the lube spray as a smoke machine.
[15:50:46] <CaptHindsight> good tip so close to Halloween
[15:52:02] <ssi> so I picked up a third hangar
[15:52:07] <ssi> I have A1, A3, and A4
[15:52:13] <ssi> and I convinced the guy in A2 to swap into A4
[15:52:17] <ssi> so I will have three in a row
[15:52:35] <CaptHindsight> nice
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[15:53:12] <ssi> I'm going to migrate the whole machine shop down there
[15:54:18] <gammax> anyone see an old machine that the paint is coming off with your finger cause the machine is so nasty?
[15:54:29] <ssi> yeah, the one I'm working on is that way :(
[15:55:21] <gammax> how do you get rid of all that stuff? Ive been trying to think how I can possibly refinish a unit like that....
[15:55:30] <ssi> wire brush :)
[15:55:45] <gammax> thats a lot of work!
[15:56:40] <SpeedEvil> Ultrasonic cleaner
[15:56:43] <gammax> how do you prep for paint?
[15:56:46] <gammax> citrus cleaner?
[15:57:01] <gammax> SpeedEvil: the entire knee mill? lol
[15:57:17] <ssi> lots of degreaser
[15:57:25] <ssi> and then acetone or a paint prep cleaner right before you paint
[15:58:17] <archivist> gammax, wire brush is how I clean my stuff
[15:58:24] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbzAGa5sdY gammax
[15:58:36] <SpeedEvil> (and no, it's not - quite - that big
[15:58:55] <CaptHindsight> http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/12/3-8m-pi/ Raspberry Pi Sales Approach 4 Million
[15:59:20] <CaptHindsight> proof, people care more about price than open
[15:59:44] <CaptHindsight> or about where it comes from or who makes it
[16:00:44] <SpeedEvil> It's not only that.
[16:01:03] <archivist> gammax,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=barber+colman
[16:01:09] <SpeedEvil> In the months before the Pi launch, I recall about ~10 'mass media' things I came across mentioning it
[16:01:22] <SpeedEvil> Including a couple of mentions by actual government ministers
[16:01:43] <SpeedEvil> That is basically unprecedented - and none of thecompetitors have that
[16:02:03] <CaptHindsight> Apple proved what hype does
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[16:03:16] <CaptHindsight> oh well
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[16:07:57] <CaptHindsight> and duino's are successful even though the hardware might be overpriced but the developer tools are easy to use
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[16:09:36] <jdh> for a dev board type setup, I don't think they are overpriced.
[16:10:04] <jdh> or maybe they are, I don't think I've ever bought a real one.
[16:10:39] <jdh> http://moderndevice.com/product/rbbb-kit/
[16:10:40] <CaptHindsight> http://delta.firepick.org/ uses duino and Rpi
[16:10:44] <__rob> CaptHindsight: people care about price because most of them are probabally using it for media streaming on their tbv
[16:10:44] <__rob> tv
[16:10:48] <jdh> I have some of the RBBBs
[16:11:06] <__rob> I reckon its a small fraction of them who use the pi for actual development
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[16:11:53] <zeeshan|2> gammax if its that bad
[16:11:58] <zeeshan|2> you can always try to power wash it
[16:12:37] <zeeshan|2> w/ degrease solution
[16:14:45] <CaptHindsight> __rob: I though most people used those <$30 USB dongles for streaming. The article doesn't say how people are using the Rpi's
[16:14:59] <CaptHindsight> that would be interesting
[16:16:15] <__rob> I know a few people who bought them, bought a nice box, and stuck on xbmc
[16:16:41] <__rob> I have been planning to do the same and replace my intel atom streaming box
[16:16:53] <__rob> it can't hack netflix in hd
[16:17:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Google-Android-Allwinner-A10-1G-DDR3-wifi-media-box-tf-card-usb-media-player-for-tv/648914073.html
[16:17:45] <jdh> I have one that monitors my scuba compressor, and made one for my wife that plays powerpoints on her school tv system
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[16:18:46] <__rob> you need to account for how easy it is tho.. theres prebuilt xbmc images for rpi
[16:18:54] <__rob> retard proof instructions
[16:19:45] <CaptHindsight> that's interesting, why would you pick a board that needs assembly into an enclosure and the power supply is also extra?
[16:20:25] <__rob> ask ikea
[16:20:37] <__rob> also, you can choose your own box!
[16:20:49] <__rob> people like that
[16:21:16] <CaptHindsight> Ikea keeps the prices lower by selling kits
[16:21:43] <CaptHindsight> the Rpi costs more than a complete and smaller device
[16:21:47] <ssi> CaptHindsight: people like buying something that they have the option to hack on, even if they're not going to
[16:21:55] <gammax> zeeshan, good idea
[16:22:02] <CaptHindsight> so you think it has to do with customization?
[16:22:09] <ssi> for some people probbaly
[16:22:17] <__rob> I guess people buy it with the intention to do more, but never do
[16:22:17] <ssi> zeeshan|2: I thought about trying to power wash the inside of my enclosure
[16:22:23] <__rob> ahh, like ssi said
[16:23:24] <CaptHindsight> or they find out how much they didn't know about programming after the purchase
[16:23:29] <ssi> :D
[16:23:33] <__rob> that aswell
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[16:24:24] <__rob> the whole idea of it was to get kids to program at school. In my experience, the kids who were interested in that were doing it anyway back in the day
[16:24:47] <__rob> the rest of them will use it to play games, xbmc etc..
[16:25:00] <CaptHindsight> that was just the illusion of a noble cause
[16:25:47] <__rob> I like the idea that I can use it for xbmc, but also have it for powering up my pc when I remote in
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[16:25:51] <CaptHindsight> the kids could also program their OLPC's
[16:25:54] <__rob> stmall stuff like that
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[16:26:30] <CaptHindsight> but <$50 Chinese tablets replaced OLPC
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[16:27:01] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[16:27:06] <zeeshan|2> i am looking at the amount of cruds and chips
[16:27:08] <zeeshan|2> in the machine
[16:27:14] <zeeshan|2> i'm wondering how to prevent future build up like this
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[16:28:24] <CaptHindsight> what are the main turn-offs to Linuxcnc? The cost of new hardware vs duino and Rpi?
[16:28:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/WOEAa3v.jpg
[16:29:25] <ssi> zeeshan|2: rinse it out after using it
[16:29:33] <ssi> CaptHindsight: it has a steep learning curve
[16:29:36] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: i think most people dont know about linuxcnc
[16:29:54] <zeeshan|2> and other problem with linuxcnc is
[16:30:02] <zeeshan|2> no one can tell me if devicenet is supported or not
[16:30:03] <zeeshan|2> !!
[16:30:11] <zeeshan|2> like if there are drives out there that i can modify
[16:30:20] <zeeshan|2> to make work with the sumitomo vfd
[16:30:40] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[16:30:44] <zeeshan|2> look at how cheap i boughjt this drive
[16:30:45] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-AC-1-Phase-5-HP-Max-3-Phase-10-HP-Max-200-240-Volts-/171388500859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e78cfb7b
[16:31:07] <zeeshan|2> its a true vector drive
[16:31:09] <ssi> that's pretty cheap
[16:31:14] <ssi> let me know if it works worth a crap
[16:31:19] <zeeshan|2> its brand new
[16:31:20] <zeeshan|2> it better
[16:31:21] <zeeshan|2> !
[16:31:29] <ssi> heh
[16:31:29] <zeeshan|2> they go for 1k
[16:31:42] <ssi> I paid $1025 for my 25hp hitachi wj200
[16:31:46] <zeeshan|2> http://www.plccenter.ca/Buy/SUMITOMO%20MACHINERY%20INC/HF43027A5?redirect=true
[16:31:53] <ssi> shipped
[16:31:57] <zeeshan|2> how much is the 10hp wj200?
[16:32:03] <CaptHindsight> thyssenkruppelevator
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[16:32:36] <ssi> cheapest i see it is 574
[16:32:53] <zeeshan|2> i wanted the wj200
[16:33:01] <zeeshan|2> cause i already have that vfd driver i messed around with for pete
[16:33:10] <ssi> yeah
[16:33:35] <zeeshan|2> now i gotta figure out how to work devicenet communication
[16:33:59] <ssi> I'm about to go buy another air dryer :P
[16:34:04] <zeeshan|2> why
[16:34:07] <zeeshan|2> what happened to your other one
[16:34:08] <ssi> two shops!
[16:34:15] <zeeshan|2> o
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[16:35:40] <ssi> I put a big blast cabinet in down at the airport, and I was getting water stains on parts I was blasting :P
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[16:38:20] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:38:26] <zeeshan|2> clumpy media is also bad
[16:38:26] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[16:38:49] <zeeshan|2> DeviceNet is a network system used in the automation industry to interconnect control devices for data exchange. It uses Controller Area Network as the backbone technology and defines an application layer to cover a range of device profiles
[16:38:51] <zeeshan|2> hm
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[16:40:04] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[16:40:08] <zeeshan|2> this is the same protocol they use in cars now
[16:40:10] <zeeshan|2> can-bus
[16:40:13] <ssi> yes
[16:40:23] <zeeshan|2> so learning it is worthwhile
[16:40:26] <zeeshan|2> on how to communicate
[16:40:28] <zeeshan|2> then i can hax car ecu
[16:42:01] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/GM.html
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[16:43:04] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i wonder if there is a library i can use
[16:43:23] <zeeshan|2> to read/write data over rs485
[16:43:45] <zeeshan|2> i guess i can look at how hal_gm is written
[16:44:42] <CaptHindsight> I want to see you drive-by-gcode :p
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[16:45:02] <JesusAlos> hi
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[16:45:15] <JesusAlos> hi all
[16:48:29] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2:
https://github.com/sittner/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/hal/drivers/hal_gm.c
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[16:55:54] <CaptHindsight> interesting that high speed CAN Bus is 1Mbit/sec and it's used for engine, traction, suspension, ABS and gearbox control
[16:57:46] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: do they use multiple CAN buses (with separate wires) in autos or are they typically shared by all those resources?
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[17:02:45] <JesusAlos> there are any application for linuxcnc to generate gcode repeats?
[17:03:45] <JesusAlos> When gcode arrive to end, start again
[17:06:52] <jdh> my GPS uses canbus to talk to my motors
[17:07:11] <jdh> and dive computers use canbus to speak to solenoids & sensors
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[17:51:50] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: yea there are multiple control units
[17:51:54] <zeeshan|2> that talk to each other using can bus
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[18:48:09] <cpresser> any hints on why USB wont work with the linuxcnc 2.6 image?
[18:48:50] <cpresser> it does with other linux distros, but this one gives me "device not accepting address 5, error -110"
[18:53:20] <skunkworks_> cpresser: that is a known problem with some hardware.
[18:53:37] <skunkworks_> cpresser: are you using mesa hardware?
[18:53:42] <cpresser> skunkworks_: just found this post:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/9-installing-linuxcnc/28164-unable-to-find-a-live-file-system-gigabyte-j1800?limitstart=0
[18:53:49] <cpresser> skunkworks_: yes, i will use a 6i25
[18:54:19] <cpresser> i am currently searching for which kernel with which patches to use...
[18:54:36] <skunkworks_> than use master and uspace.. - the rt_preempt kernel in the debian repository works great.
[18:54:57] <skunkworks_> (if you don't need a base thread)
[18:55:17] <jdh> I'm all about the base. thread.
[18:55:23] <jdh> I'm sorry.
[18:55:25] <skunkworks_> cpresser: what motherboard?
[18:55:26] <skunkworks_> heh
[18:55:46] <cpresser> skunkworks_: asrock Q1900B-ITX
[18:56:02] <cpresser> this one:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900B-ITX
[18:56:06] <skunkworks_> I have gigabyte j1800, j1900 that both exhibit that issue
[18:56:19] <cpresser> what is 'uspace'?
[18:56:41] <skunkworks_> master allows you to run userspace realtime.
[18:57:23] <skunkworks_> I have been testing the 7i80 and 5i25 with rt_preemt. so far so good.
[18:57:26] <cpresser> ah, just found it:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Uspace
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[18:58:36] <skunkworks_> plus you get the new trajectory planner.. :)
[18:58:40] <cpresser> I guess ill need debian squeeze?
[18:58:49] <cpresser> this will be a single axis machine^^
[18:59:07] <skunkworks_> the latest linuxcnc livecd uses wheezy
[18:59:31] <cpresser> yes, i have that installed. but i cant find 'newer' kernels in the debian repository for wheezy
[19:00:49] <skunkworks_> ? you are looking for the rt_preempt kernel..
[19:01:36] <cpresser> yes
[19:03:03] <cpresser> will that binary repository do for linuxcnc, or do i need to compile it myself? "deb
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rtpreempt"
[19:06:44] <cpresser> skunkworks_: what is the name of the kernel-package which has rt_preemt?
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[19:37:04] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: can you build kernels and RTAI from scratch?
[19:37:42] <CaptHindsight> if so, there is RTAI for 3.14 kernels
[19:39:29] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: yes, I know how to compile a kernel. done bevore
[19:40:33] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: where can i get the kernel patch? i didnt find one so far
[19:40:45] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: one sec.
[19:41:32] <CaptHindsight> it's not in Linuxcnc yet, but we have been using it for the past 2+ months
[19:44:07] <CaptHindsight> linuxcnc forums are runnin slower than a sloth stuck in molasses on a winters day
[19:44:27] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI
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[19:45:50] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: thanks. i will try that
[19:46:17] <PCW> sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae
[19:46:19] <PCW> for the wheezy stock preemt-rt kernel
[19:46:26] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: tested on AMD and Intel i5
[19:48:02] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: like he said if you don't need a low latency base thread it's easy to use the preempt_rt kernel
[19:48:53] <cpresser> i will try the rt-preemt and uspace approach first
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[19:54:31] <cpresser> ah nice, the linuxcnc-uspace package does install the rt-kernel via dependencies :)
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[19:55:44] <PCW> and USB actually works!
[19:58:21] <cpresser> i am about to reboot... not sure which WM i will install though :)
[19:59:01] <cpresser> PCW: i might have a lot of questions in the near future... i am about to build my first machine with mesa-hardware
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[19:59:13] <cpresser> but its a simple setup, i think i can handle it
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[19:59:42] <PCW> if you are comfortable with hal its should be easy
[20:00:52] <_methods> http://terminal.sexy/
[20:01:08] <_methods> pimp my terminal yo
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[20:01:24] <cpresser> i am not so sure with the right firmware... but ill read the docs first, then ask questions :)
[20:01:59] <_methods> read first then ask questions...........wtf are you thinking
[20:02:12] <PCW> firmware depends on daughtercards/usage
[20:05:36] <Connor> So, last night, after evaluating all the I/O I'm need or planning to have with my mill.. I've come to the conclusion I need a auxiliary break out box. I can't possibly add enough connectors to cover everything.
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[20:07:40] <Connor> Inputs: Spindle Encoder 3 input + 5v and Gnd, Axis A Encoder, 3 input + 5v and Gnd, X, Y, Z Home / Limit 3 inputs + 12v, Touch Probe jack wired to spindle 1 + 12v, Touch off Probe, 1 + 12v, ATC Home, Ram In, Ram Out, 3 + 12v, Air Pressure 1 + 12v
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[20:08:29] <Connor> Outputs, Power Draw Bar Solenoid 1 + Gnd, ATC Ram Solenoid 1 + Gnd, Air Blast Solenoid, 1 + Gnd
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[20:11:13] <Connor> So, I'm thinking of using a DB25 connector to a Radio Shack Project Box (8"x6"x3") and mount that on the back of the stand.. and mount a DIN rail in it.. I have these Wk4/U DIN terminal blocks that have Quick connects for the stuff coming in from the mill.. and will use the other side to go to the DB25
[20:12:24] <Connor> I'll run a 6' DB25 male-to-male cable (the one that came with my 5i25 + 7i76 kit) from my electronics enclosure to the break out box..
[20:13:26] <Connor> I'll use the existing DB9 connector I was using for Encoder and E-Stop to goto my Pendant once I have it setup.
[20:13:45] <Connor> Thoughts ?
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[20:18:57] <cpresser> Connor: DIN-Rail Terminal-Blocks do sound great. i am about to build the same
[20:19:33] <Connor> Yea, I was wondering if that was over kill.. a smaller PCB with those little blue screw terminal blocks would work just as well.
[20:19:59] <cpresser> i dont like screw-terminals on PCBs. they break
[20:20:15] <cpresser> rather have plugs on the pcb (Phoenix 3.81mm, ....)
[20:20:22] <Connor> I don't even think I'm going to have but the one DB25 connector.. I think everything else will just go through a bulk-head hole..
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[20:21:15] <Connor> These WK4/U have 2 Phoenix style connectors..
[20:21:45] <Connor> Wait.. wrong part # WK2.5/U
[20:23:01] <Connor> http://az343058.vo.msecnd.net/productlargeimages/52669ab040594f9ba4ee493a4a63bedb.jpg
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[20:24:04] <Connor> Just need to figure out how I want to do the 12v buss in it.. the 5v is easy since only the two encoders need it.. but.. all the others need to share the 12v.
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[21:14:30] <CaptHindsight> Synthetic Benchmarks of ChibiOS/RT pm various ARM platforms
http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:metrics
[21:15:36] <CaptHindsight> it's interesting that Linux RTAI on x86 is actually lower than some of these
[21:15:39] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:50:03] <Connor> Are you kidding me.. They have both 5mm and 5.08mm headers.. WTF..
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[22:07:35] <PCW> those are Microcontrollers: mostly no FS, no Graphics maybe no network, makes RT a lot easier...
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[22:16:34] <ssi> zeeshan|2:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz3CFWVIUAAacYJ.jpg:large
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[22:17:29] <maZer`-> hi all
[22:23:36] <maZer`-> can someone explain me the output_scale value? i have dc drivers with 0-10v input
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[22:43:14] <zeeshan|2> is that brand new?
[22:43:16] <zeeshan|2> looks frigging nice
[22:43:20] <zeeshan|2> and nice compressor man
[22:43:23] <zeeshan|2> =D
[22:45:26] <Tom_itx> looks quite a bit like mine without the drier
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[22:46:01] <Tom_itx> 80 gal?
[22:48:42] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, RT on a mega128?
[22:48:55] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15344207707/
[22:48:56] <zeeshan|2> this is weird
[22:48:58] <zeeshan|2> the servo motor
[22:49:03] <zeeshan|2> doesnt seem to have a belt tensioner?
[22:49:18] <zeeshan|2> its got the typical 4 bolts to mount a motor
[22:49:18] <ssi> zeeshan|2: it's not brand new, but it's not terribly hard used either
[22:49:23] <ssi> zeeshan|2: I paid $250 for that one
[22:49:24] <zeeshan|2> ssi it looks brand new dude
[22:49:27] <zeeshan|2> wow
[22:49:30] <zeeshan|2> how much scfm?
[22:49:31] <ssi> they're about $1k new
[22:49:33] <ssi> 20 I think
[22:49:37] <zeeshan|2> nice man
[22:49:38] <ssi> my compressor is 18.1
[22:49:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 the tensioner is the top pulley
[22:49:54] <Tom_itx> i believe
[22:49:56] <ssi> Tom_itx: it's 60gal
[22:50:15] <Tom_itx> <- 80 gal 2 stage
[22:50:21] <ssi> yea mine's single stage
[22:50:27] <zeeshan|2> tom where
[22:50:28] <ssi> I'm convinced that IR compressior is the best value
[22:50:37] <zeeshan|2> that pulley is axially in line with the ball screw
[22:50:39] <ssi> $980 new from northern, 5hp 18.1cfm single stage 60gal
[22:50:40] <zeeshan|2> i dont see how you can adjust that
[22:50:52] <Tom_itx> maybe not
[22:51:03] <Tom_itx> is it some sort of clutch on top?
[22:51:12] <zeeshan|2> no i dont thinkso
[22:51:23] <zeeshan|2> im trying to pull t e motor off
[22:51:29] <zeeshan|2> i just find it weird that there is no tensioner
[22:51:33] <Tom_itx> after zooming.. it's a timing belt not a V belt
[22:51:37] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:51:43] <zeeshan|2> but even v-belts have tensioners
[22:51:48] <Tom_itx> they don't strecth that much
[22:52:17] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15531066262/
[22:52:21] <zeeshan|2> look at how the Y axis servo mounts
[22:52:21] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:52:24] <zeeshan|2> thats intense
[22:53:09] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15527521111/in/photostream/lightbox/
[22:53:15] <zeeshan|2> this limit switches
[22:53:17] <zeeshan|2> are kind of odd
[22:53:23] <zeeshan|2> they're feeding 240vac to them
[22:53:24] <zeeshan|2> !!!
[22:53:46] <Tom_itx> ok?
[22:53:51] <Tom_itx> it's old
[22:53:53] <zeeshan|2> you dont find that weird?
[22:53:57] <zeeshan|2> thats a lotta voltage!
[22:54:06] <Tom_itx> stay away from it
[22:54:12] <zeeshan|2> im gonna just push 24VDC
[22:54:15] <zeeshan|2> through those limit switches
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