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[00:00:19] <Jymmm> zeeshan: A wiring diagram =)
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[00:00:29] <zeeshan> achse = axis?
[00:00:53] <zeeshan> i wonder what
[00:01:02] <zeeshan> sw1 sw2 btb mean
[00:01:08] <zeeshan> and "T"
[00:01:26] <Jymmm> zeeshan:
https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#de/en/Achse
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[00:02:11] <zeeshan> :D
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[00:02:52] <Jymmm> I like google trnslate on my phone, I can take a pic and it'll translate kanji
[00:06:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan: is that the beast you rented a truck for?
[00:06:39] <andypugh> zeeshan: Nice machine
[00:06:43] <zeeshan> Jymmm: yessir
[00:06:48] <zeeshan> andypugh: thanks man!
[00:06:58] <Jymmm> Cool that you final got it moved
[00:07:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how did you unload it from the truck?
[00:07:49] <zeeshan> haha
[00:07:53] <zeeshan> very dangerously
[00:07:59] <zeeshan> we had 2 forklifts
[00:08:00] <Jymmm> using?
[00:08:03] <Jymmm> oh, ok
[00:08:08] <zeeshan> they were both rated for 3000lb
[00:08:17] <Jymmm> I see a cherry picker there is why I asked =)
[00:08:18] <zeeshan> so they took the weight together
[00:08:27] <zeeshan> haha that cherry picker woud collapse
[00:08:36] <zeeshan> infact when they forklifts were moving the load together
[00:08:37] <Jymmm> I know, that's why I asked =)
[00:08:39] <zeeshan> one of them tipped forward
[00:08:40] <zeeshan> haha
[00:08:43] <zeeshan> poor thing
[00:08:51] <Jymmm> plus not going to 12ft height either
[00:09:14] <Jymmm> not stablely anyway =)
[00:09:29] <syyl_> hey
[00:09:33] <XXCoder> Mikron machine?
[00:09:34] <syyl_> a bosch amplifier
[00:09:36] <syyl_> yay!
[00:09:39] <zeeshan> syyl
[00:09:42] <zeeshan> got manuals? :D
[00:09:46] <syyl_> no
[00:09:48] <syyl_> :P
[00:09:54] <zeeshan> is the black thing the thing youre talking about?
[00:10:06] <andypugh> We had a mill delivered by HIAB, it reached all the way to the back of the workshop through the door. It was a cool HIAB.
[00:10:22] <syyl_> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[00:10:23] <zeeshan> syyl_:
[00:10:27] <zeeshan> okay
[00:10:27] <syyl_> thats the cover of the bosch
[00:10:28] <zeeshan> that pla te goes here
[00:10:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/A0ZB0HS.jpg
[00:10:33] <zeeshan> top right
[00:10:40] <zeeshan> thres a bunch cards there
[00:10:43] <zeeshan> no clue what they do
[00:11:04] <syyl_> should be the servo drivers :)
[00:11:08] <zeeshan> nice
[00:11:10] <syyl_> for each axis
[00:11:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and german wiring diagrams have some really funky symbols on them too.
[00:11:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan: that one looks clean though.
[00:11:30] <syyl_> i can help you out with the german
[00:11:52] <zeeshan> do you know what the black thing is for
[00:11:59] <zeeshan> i dont understand why its chilling by itself
[00:12:12] <syyl_> which black thing
[00:12:17] <syyl_> the box in the cabinet?
[00:12:23] <syyl_> lower right?
[00:12:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Zq1WuRR.jpg?1
[00:12:29] <zeeshan> that thing
[00:12:44] <zeeshan> i wonder if they had plcs back in the 80s
[00:12:46] <syyl_> runs on 24V
[00:12:48] <zeeshan> cause its got 24v going on
[00:12:48] <zeeshan> yea
[00:12:53] <syyl_> i would bet thats the plc
[00:13:01] <Jymmm> zeeshan: take the cover off and take a pic
[00:13:19] <zeeshan> will do eventually :P
[00:13:27] <zeeshan> it'd be really nice to see a wiring diagram for this thing
[00:13:30] <syyl_> do you have the full wiring diagrams on the machine?
[00:13:31] <syyl_> hr
[00:13:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Then dont ask abou something till ya do silly =)
[00:13:35] <syyl_> sounds like no
[00:13:41] <zeeshan> syyl_: no :/
[00:13:44] <zeeshan> Jymmm: haha
[00:13:47] <syyl_> ask on practical machinist
[00:13:53] <syyl_> there you might have a chance
[00:13:59] <andypugh> There seem to be many more contactors and relays than strictly necessary.
[00:14:00] <XXCoder> syyl_ is presecent
[00:14:01] <syyl_> they have a section on euro machines
[00:14:30] <andypugh> That entire left bay looks vaguely redundant.
[00:14:46] <zeeshan> andypugh: this cabinet is 72"x48"x24
[00:14:48] <zeeshan> its retarded
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[00:15:01] <syyl_> many of that stuff belongs to the emergency circuit
[00:15:08] <andypugh> It does seem a whole lot deeper than necessary
[00:15:09] <syyl_> horror to change anything there
[00:15:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[00:15:16] <zeeshan> im trying to figure this out
[00:15:23] <zeeshan> it looks like theres 4 motors
[00:15:30] <zeeshan> 3 phase. is feeding into each of htem
[00:15:33] <syyl_> it can drive 4 motors
[00:15:37] <zeeshan> oh
[00:15:50] <zeeshan> the servo motors run on 3 phase? ;/
[00:15:57] <zeeshan> er
[00:16:00] <zeeshan> looks like "6 phase"
[00:16:17] <andypugh> It’s more a logic diagram than a circuit diagram. The horizontal lines seem to represent cable runs, not a single cable.
[00:16:28] <zeeshan> oh
[00:16:57] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to know what the symbols mean
[00:17:03] <andypugh> Looks like a 3-phase power supply and 4 x DC sevos
[00:17:12] <syyl_> + on the dc motors
[00:17:22] <andypugh> Well “M” is a motor :-)
[00:17:31] <syyl_> that looks like exactly the same setup as on our old deckel fp2nc
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[00:17:33] <zeeshan> lol
[00:17:45] <zeeshan> syyl_: i wouldnt be suprised
[00:17:47] <zeeshan> this looks swiss made
[00:18:10] <zeeshan> could be german
[00:18:17] <zeeshan> since the language is german: P
[00:18:24] <syyl_> the bosch is german made
[00:18:28] <syyl_> thats for sure
[00:18:29] <andypugh> I don’t know what the resistor is shown on each motor circuit. Perhaps it represents a brake?
[00:18:33] <syyl_> i bet the motors are siemens
[00:18:44] <zeeshan> theyre big motors
[00:18:54] <zeeshan> theyre almost as big as the spindle motor
[00:19:01] <zeeshan> weigh like 50lb
[00:19:35] <zeeshan> andypugh: its probably a brake
[00:19:37] <zeeshan> it'd make sense
[00:19:55] <zeeshan> what im trying to figure out is on axis 1
[00:20:05] <andypugh> Braking resistor maybe, I think that perhaps the “T” symbols are actual axis brakes.
[00:20:06] <zeeshan> what SW1, sw2, btb fg i^2t stand for
[00:20:08] <zeeshan> and that big T
[00:20:38] <andypugh> No, wait. T will be the tacho
[00:20:50] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[00:20:57] <andypugh> These are velocity-mode drives with tacho feedback.
[00:20:57] <zeeshan> i guess thats why its a motor symbol too
[00:21:31] <zeeshan> andypugh: machine also has linear scales on it
[00:21:34] <andypugh> i2t is probably some sort of temperature/current sensor?
[00:21:41] <zeeshan> whcih i think it uses to find home position
[00:22:11] <syyl_> they are used for homing and closed loop
[00:22:20] <syyl_> thats for sure
[00:22:20] <andypugh> I would trace wires and seeif sw1 and sw2 are scale quadrature phases.
[00:22:25] <zeeshan> syyl_: why have scale for closed loop
[00:22:27] <zeeshan> when you have tacho?
[00:22:38] <zeeshan> andypugh: okay
[00:22:39] <andypugh> Tacho is only velocity, not position.
[00:22:51] <syyl_> gives the exact position of the axis
[00:22:56] <zeeshan> cant you take the integral of tacho
[00:22:59] <zeeshan> and get position?
[00:23:12] <syyl_> postion of the motor maybe
[00:23:17] <andypugh> It is possible (probable) that the scales only go to the controller, not the drives.
[00:23:24] <syyl_> but there are many elements between motor and axis
[00:23:30] <zeeshan> okay i think before i take anything apart
[00:23:35] <syyl_> and you want the real position of the axis
[00:23:36] <andypugh> sw1 and sw2 are (on reflection) likely to be limit switches.
[00:23:37] <zeeshan> im gonna trace each single wire from the motors
[00:23:38] <zeeshan> and controller
[00:23:42] <syyl_> in terms of accuracity
[00:23:51] <zeeshan> syyl so youre saying
[00:23:56] <zeeshan> the scales are for absolute position
[00:24:04] <zeeshan> so if i power down
[00:24:04] <zeeshan> and power up
[00:24:07] <andypugh> First of all, does it currently work at all?
[00:24:07] <syyl_> yeah
[00:24:07] <zeeshan> i can find out where i am
[00:24:12] <syyl_> of course
[00:24:18] <syyl_> thats a real milling machine :D
[00:24:19] <zeeshan> andypugh: from what i know, it works
[00:24:21] <zeeshan> but i dont have 3 phase
[00:24:36] <zeeshan> guy was using it till
[00:24:39] <zeeshan> he sold his shop
[00:24:48] <zeeshan> then it was stored under a tarp for the last 5 years
[00:24:53] <andypugh> The machine might not care. Try it on single-phase 220.
[00:24:55] <syyl_> start up, reference drive it, know exactly where you are
[00:25:19] <zeeshan> well
[00:25:20] <andypugh> As long as you power up the DC bus it is likely to be happy.
[00:25:21] <zeeshan> i wanna clean the machine up
[00:25:26] <zeeshan> and get a better understanding of what each component does
[00:25:28] <zeeshan> before powering it up
[00:25:34] <zeeshan> and test each component
[00:25:41] <zeeshan> its been sitting for a while
[00:25:48] <syyl_> get a manual for it
[00:25:49] <zeeshan> i dont wanna get killed by some fault shorting out circuit
[00:25:49] <zeeshan> :P
[00:25:58] <syyl_> thereas a procedure to start and reference those things
[00:26:26] <zeeshan> im starting to think
[00:26:31] <zeeshan> the 4th axis on this thing might be the spindle
[00:26:37] <zeeshan> cause its got all 4 drives in there
[00:26:57] <syyl_> or it got a rotary table as an option
[00:27:04] <syyl_> both possible
[00:27:28] <zeeshan> i really want to get rid of this cabinet
[00:27:29] <zeeshan> takes a lot of space
[00:27:44] <syyl_> if that stuff runs
[00:27:50] <syyl_> keep it as it is
[00:27:54] <syyl_> my advice :D
[00:28:33] <Tom_itx> haha KC just kicked arse again
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[00:28:52] <zeeshan> andypugh: i was watching your video of indexing the spindle with a vfd
[00:28:58] <zeeshan> how did you deal with slip
[00:29:08] <zeeshan> w/ an induction asynch motor
[00:29:08] <andypugh> I didn’t really. It barely worked :-)
[00:29:19] <zeeshan> how accurately did you get it positioning?
[00:29:27] <zeeshan> within 0.1 deg? :p
[00:29:38] <andypugh> Within about 30 degrees.
[00:29:43] <zeeshan> :D
[00:29:48] <syyl_> yea
[00:29:49] <syyl_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Heidenhain-PLC-Leistungsplatine-PL-110B-/120762800168
[00:29:50] <andypugh> It was an eperiment.
[00:29:55] <syyl_> what you got there is the plc
[00:30:00] <zeeshan> syyl nice!
[00:30:07] <zeeshan> i might be able to replace it
[00:30:09] <zeeshan> w/ a micrologix
[00:30:11] <zeeshan> which is much smaller
[00:30:34] <zeeshan> im gonna start with the basics
[00:30:39] <zeeshan> first get the motors moving
[00:30:44] <andypugh> With lower gearing and a flux-vector drive I reckon it would work fine. But the VFD was really old-school and the gearing was pretty high.
[00:30:48] <zeeshan> then the spindle motor working
[00:30:52] <syyl_> ha
[00:30:58] <syyl_> flux vector sounds so cool :D
[00:31:11] <syyl_> doc brown just came around the corner
[00:31:12] <zeeshan> andypugh: scalar vfd?
[00:31:14] <andypugh> You don’t need a PLC at all if you are converting to LinuxCNC.
[00:31:25] <zeeshan> ofcourse it's going to be linuxcnc
[00:31:31] <zeeshan> die mach3
[00:31:31] <syyl_> wah
[00:31:32] <zeeshan> !
[00:31:42] <syyl_> why remove a perfect working HH controller?
[00:31:49] <zeeshan> syyl the controller
[00:31:52] <zeeshan> is oldschool #1
[00:31:55] <zeeshan> it uses tape sor something
[00:31:55] <zeeshan> for input
[00:32:01] <andypugh> Well, there you are. Your Mill just became €1450 cheaper, you can seel the PLC. :-)
[00:32:08] <zeeshan> rofl
[00:32:25] <zeeshan> syyl
[00:32:30] <zeeshan> howd you know it was model pl110b?
[00:32:39] <syyl_> i dont know
[00:32:47] <syyl_> i googled for heidenhain plc
[00:32:55] <syyl_> "looks the same"
[00:33:00] <zeeshan> :]
[00:33:08] <zeeshan> i wonder how you program it
[00:33:16] <zeeshan> my micrologix uses a db9 connector
[00:33:25] <andypugh> Right, time for me to sleep.
[00:33:28] <zeeshan> gnite!
[00:33:28] <andypugh> Night all.
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[00:33:34] <syyl_> gnight
[00:33:37] <zeeshan> https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/images/deluo-tracker-adapter.jpg
[00:33:39] <zeeshan> one of those cables
[00:33:43] <zeeshan> and uses rslogix software
[00:34:05] <syyl_> phu, at least the parameters can be changed via the controller
[00:34:09] <syyl_> a few
[00:34:26] <syyl_> but programming? those things come ready to use from HH
[00:34:33] <zeeshan> well
[00:34:36] <zeeshan> i'd like to pull the program
[00:34:40] <zeeshan> to get an understanding of what its doing
[00:35:31] <zeeshan> thanks for the help
[00:35:32] <zeeshan> im exhausted
[00:35:37] <syyl_> no problem :D
[00:35:39] <zeeshan> running on 3 hours of sleep over the last 3 days
[00:35:41] <zeeshan> time for bed!
[00:35:45] <syyl_> same here
[00:35:47] <syyl_> as for the bed
[00:35:50] <syyl_> gnight
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[00:49:50] <zeeshan> damn it
[00:49:52] <zeeshan> i cant sleep
[00:49:57] <zeeshan> i ended up messing around with the machine
[00:50:01] <zeeshan> the damn spindle doesnt spin
[00:50:10] <zeeshan> i wonder if theere is a spindle lock or something
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[01:21:28] <PetefromTn_> Evening people...Whatsgoinon LOL
[01:22:22] <zeeshan> look its pete
[01:25:58] <Tom_itx> watchin the charlotte race
[01:26:22] <PetefromTn_> nascar?
[01:26:43] <Tom_itx> ya
[01:27:12] <PetefromTn_> Cool I am more of an F1 fan tho.
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[01:27:25] <PetefromTn_> I managed to get down to the auto parts store
[01:27:27] <jdh> ahh... snobby rednecks!
[01:27:50] <PetefromTn_> I found that a typical headlight is the same thing that goes in that machinists lamp on the VMC.
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[01:28:13] <jdh> is there a lot of 12v on there?
[01:28:14] <PetefromTn_> Who's a snobby redneck?
[01:29:02] <PetefromTn_> actually no but after talking with JYMM about it earlier he gave me the idea to use the PC's power supply to generate the 12v
[01:30:17] <PetefromTn_> If that does not work I can probably take it from the machines power supply out back by taking it off one side of the 24 volt supply.
[01:30:44] <PetefromTn_> I got a brand new lamp and holder assembly that fits the light housing perfectly as it came from the factory
[01:30:49] <PetefromTn_> It was only like ten bucks
[01:31:11] <PetefromTn_> so I also got some nice crimp connectors and an inline fuse holder to install on the lamp.
[01:31:36] <PetefromTn_> I also have a little automotive toggle switch here I might use to be able to shut it off and on.
[01:32:48] <zeeshan> damn you spindle
[01:32:49] <zeeshan> spin!
[01:34:53] <jdh> cool
[01:34:54] <PetefromTn_> I got the whole lamp assembly rewired and I took it completely apart.
[01:35:35] <PetefromTn_> It was really pretty nasty so I have to clean the housing some more here but I can't wait to get it reassembled so I can finally have some real light inside the machine.
[01:35:52] <zeeshan> jdh
[01:35:55] <zeeshan> is scuba season over
[01:36:38] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131315210979?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=430615998049&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[01:37:01] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at getting a pair of these to install on the top of the enclosure to add some more ambient light inside the machine,
[01:37:11] <PetefromTn_> The machinists lamp is more direct light
[01:37:19] <PetefromTn_> between the two it should be plenty I think.
[01:37:40] <PetefromTn_> The HAAS machines have something like this and it makes working inside them pretty nice.
[01:38:56] <PetefromTn_> I also finally fixed the air leak from the damn regultor/moisture trap on the back of the machine.
[01:40:33] <PetefromTn_> I added a nice additional air hose run to the front of the machine and a nice pistol grip air blast nozzle for clearing chips and blowing off parts. I got tired of having to drag the shop hose to the machine all the time.
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[01:43:45] <PetefromTn_> Was looking at the extra leads on the PC power supply and I was under the impression that the black and yellow wires are the gnd and 12V leads does that sound correct?
[01:44:17] <jdh> yep
[01:44:59] <PetefromTn_> Thanks..
[01:45:22] <jdh> red is 5
[01:45:22] <PetefromTn_> After I get this light housing all wiped off and looking nice and new I am going to try to get it wired into the control.
[01:45:57] <zeeshan> red is 5?
[01:45:58] <zeeshan> !
[01:45:58] <PetefromTn_> do you think a 55w bulb will be a big load on the power supply?
[01:47:03] <zeeshan> is your light ever gonna see coolant?
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[01:47:11] <zeeshan> jdh answer me!
[01:48:40] <zeeshan> does anyone know if iso40 spindle holders
[01:48:43] <zeeshan> are all drawbar based
[01:52:17] <zeeshan> http://www.toolstoday.com/images/Product/medium/5854.jpg
[01:52:18] <zeeshan> hm
[01:52:46] <pcw_home> Incandescent lamps may have an up to 10X current surge when switched on cold, this may make a PC power supply fault
[01:53:01] <zeeshan> i think its a pretty silly idea
[01:53:16] <zeeshan> to use a computer power supply to power a light that will likely short
[01:53:23] <zeeshan> when it sees coolant or whatever
[01:53:24] <toastydeath> zeeshan, none are drawbar based that i'm aware of
[01:53:27] <toastydeath> er
[01:53:29] <toastydeath> All are
[01:53:30] <zeeshan> and take your pc supply out with it
[01:53:34] <zeeshan> all that mesa isolation
[01:53:44] <zeeshan> and a lamp powered by a computer psu !
[01:53:57] <zeeshan> toastydeath: all are drawbar?
[01:54:07] <toastydeath> that i am aware of, yes
[01:54:17] <toastydeath> the pull stud type, not the screw type
[01:54:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/js7pUBj.jpg
[01:54:39] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out what this machine uses
[01:54:50] <toastydeath> well it's clearly got drive lugs
[01:54:52] <toastydeath> so it's not iso
[01:54:57] <toastydeath> it's going to be cat or bt
[01:55:00] <zeeshan> it says iso40
[01:55:01] <jdh> he's got a fuse :)
[01:55:02] <zeeshan> in the spec sheet
[01:55:06] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home like I said that lamp is actually what the machine came with it is 12v 55w h3 halogen bulb. do you think it would be safer to run it off the machines power supply?
[01:55:16] <toastydeath> iso doesnt' have drive lugs
[01:55:23] <toastydeath> so the taper itself may be NMTB 40
[01:55:23] <zeeshan> toastydeath: thats what i thought
[01:55:26] <zeeshan> but apparently some do
[01:55:38] <toastydeath> but the actual toolholder cannot be iso because iso does not have drive lugs
[01:55:47] <zeeshan> so its #40 taper
[01:55:52] <toastydeath> CAT, BT and the straight up NMTB has drive lugs
[01:56:03] <zeeshan> how can i tell what kind of tool holder it'll take?
[01:56:13] <toastydeath> ask the person running it
[01:56:15] <jdh> red is 5, why?
[01:56:18] <zeeshan> toastydeath: lol
[01:56:28] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-MILACRON-ARROW-500-CNC-ADJUSTABLE-MACHINE-LIGHT-LAMP-12V-55W-/151416756199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23412457e7
[01:56:39] <PetefromTn_> that is the lamp I am talking about.
[01:56:50] <zeeshan> jdh that was me trolling
[01:56:55] <zeeshan> the question i was wondering about
[01:56:58] <zeeshan> was is scuba season over? :P
[01:57:02] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: maybe safer use led version. much less current
[01:57:15] <jdh> went yesteday. water was still 78f top to bottom
[01:57:22] <zeeshan> toastydeath: i bougt this machine used
[01:57:26] <zeeshan> i dont know if the guy knows.
[01:57:29] <pcw_home> for incandescent, probably best to run it from a transformer
[01:57:40] <toastydeath> zeeshan, do you know what kind of drawbar lug it takes?
[01:57:47] <zeeshan> toastydeath: no thats the problem
[01:57:51] <zeeshan> i dont have a single tool holder for it
[01:57:52] <toastydeath> lol
[01:57:53] <zeeshan> so i cant tell
[01:58:01] <zeeshan> im thinking maybe pull off that big tapered thing
[01:58:03] <zeeshan> and see whats in there
[01:58:06] <PetefromTn_> I can order some LED lamps for it if you think that would help PCW...
[01:58:10] <zeeshan> if its got something to pull on a stud
[01:58:12] <zeeshan> then i know its pull stud
[01:58:22] <zeeshan> i was hoping for another way to figure it out
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[01:59:21] <zeeshan> machine spec sheet says
[01:59:22] <zeeshan> "SO 40 DIN 2080"
[02:00:04] <zeeshan> http://www.industributiken.se/english/holding-tools/tool-holders/sk-iso-holders-din-2080/precision-milling-chuck.html
[02:00:11] <zeeshan> looks like there is a collar or something
[02:00:13] <zeeshan> where something goes in
[02:01:04] <zeeshan> http://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/johne-co-prazisionswerkzeuge/starflex-catalogue/65662-156419-_5.html
[02:01:11] <zeeshan> hm
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[02:53:58] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Okay just ordered a small 75 watt 120v to 12v transformer for the lamp thanks for the suggestion.
[02:54:11] <XXCoder> nice
[02:54:27] <zeeshan> whatcha niceing at XXCoder
[02:54:39] <XXCoder> pete comment
[02:54:43] <zeeshan> O
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[03:21:34] <zeeshan> yay
[03:21:41] <zeeshan> found a tag on the machine
[03:21:44] <zeeshan> "made is switzerland"
[03:22:13] <roycroft> well at least you know your machine will always be on time
[03:22:14] <Tom_itx> no made in china one?
[03:22:18] <Tom_itx> :(
[03:22:22] <zeeshan> hehe
[03:22:29] <zeeshan> i was checking out the spindle motor
[03:22:32] <zeeshan> this is the first time i've seen this
[03:22:37] <zeeshan> it says Delta/Y
[03:22:45] <zeeshan> then it says 1680/3600
[03:22:52] <zeeshan> and 3.6/4.4 kW
[03:23:02] <zeeshan> so i'm assuming based on if i wire it delta or wye
[03:23:06] <zeeshan> it can be 6hp
[03:23:09] <zeeshan> or 5hp
[03:23:33] <roycroft> perhaps it's the city of switzerland in the province of hunan
[03:23:39] <zeeshan> usually it'll be 208/480v
[03:24:32] <roycroft> just aim a camera at it
[03:24:35] <roycroft> plug it in
[03:24:40] <zeeshan> huh
[03:24:40] <roycroft> and post the fireworks on youtube
[03:24:55] <zeeshan> =/!!
[03:25:05] <zeeshan> no fireworks anytime soon
[03:25:08] <zeeshan> still trying to clean the machine
[03:25:12] <zeeshan> its about a week of cleaning on this thing
[03:25:24] <roycroft> i shall go make dinner now and stop annoying you
[03:25:32] <zeeshan> youre not annoying me :D
[03:25:42] <zeeshan> theres only 1 person who annoys me
[03:25:46] <zeeshan> guess who
[03:27:10] <zeeshan> fine don't guess
[03:27:14] <zeeshan> the answer is myself!
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[03:41:18] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/9qoNF8W Woo hoo got the lamp all cleaned up and de-gunked and rewired and reinstalled now. The wiring is sitting in top overhead channel waiting on my new 120v transformer to arrive. Can't wait to have this nice lamp working so I can see what the hell I am doing better in there LOL
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[04:35:15] <tjtr33> tilt the Z axis to any angle ,and interpolate circles around it :)
https://videobin.org/+87f/b08.html
[04:36:53] <Connor> 5mm X and Y ?
[04:37:02] <Connor> What sort of machine is this ?
[04:37:23] <tjtr33> edm orbiter needs no more thaqn largest overburn , so 0.5 is enuf
[04:37:37] <Connor> I don't know what that means....
[04:37:59] <tjtr33> um, edm burn steel with electrical sparks
[04:38:13] <tjtr33> then length of the spark is no more than .020 inch
[04:38:14] <Connor> yea. Got that.. so why X and Y no need than 5mm ?
[04:39:38] <tjtr33> overburn is <= 0.5 mm, 5mm is overkill
[04:40:13] <tjtr33> the big part of the machine 'poses' the little machine
[04:40:20] <Connor> I know nothing about EDM...
[04:40:30] <tjtr33> np. not many do
[04:40:40] <Connor> the X and Y adjust the electrode so to speak ?
[04:40:41] <XXCoder> curious if any of you guys ever ran a CMM
[04:40:43] <Connor> to make contact ?
[04:40:52] <tjtr33> its just like a file, big bastard then down to riflers
[04:41:07] <tjtr33> not contact, more like 'to reach'
[04:41:37] <tjtr33> yes x&y adjust the elctrode cross section ( in effect)
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[04:49:11] <Tom_itx> XXCoder there were two of them at the shop i was at for a while
[04:49:22] <Tom_itx> i didn't do alot with them though
[04:49:37] <Tom_itx> one manual and one automatic
[04:49:38] <XXCoder> cool. I saw one for first time last fridat
[04:49:42] <XXCoder> it was pretty cool
[04:49:46] <Tom_itx> they are
[04:50:04] <Tom_itx> they float on air bearings
[04:50:27] <XXCoder> I guess for extreme precision
[04:50:32] <ChuangTzu> what is an edm orbiter
[04:53:10] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: onder if it can be used to find new object shape
[04:53:21] <XXCoder> or only can work with known model in solidcam?
[04:55:19] <tjtr33> ChuangTzu,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9MDKTVMQwQ
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[04:57:38] <ChuangTzu> tjtr33: what does it do?
[04:57:50] <ssi> hi
[04:58:32] <tjtr33> make a tool seem larger than it really. kinda like a boring head
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[05:05:10] <zeeshan> hi ssi
[05:05:15] <zeeshan> what are you upto
[05:05:15] <XXCoder> yo
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[05:20:24] <ssi> zeeshan: winding down
[05:20:49] <ssi> I bought a 20t shop press and a big blast cabinet for the airport shop today
[05:20:59] <ssi> got my coolant pump housing powder coated and rebuilt with new bearings
[05:22:25] <zeeshan> nice
[05:22:34] <zeeshan> dont you have a job!
[05:22:38] <zeeshan> youre always working on your machines!
[05:22:39] <zeeshan> ;D
[05:23:17] <ssi> yeah actually I managed to keep my job
[05:23:19] <ssi> so that's a good thing
[05:23:24] <ssi> they laid off 10% of the workforce this week
[05:23:36] <zeeshan> eek
[05:23:51] <ssi> http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/06/media/turner-broadcasting-reductions/
[05:24:16] <zeeshan> you work at a news station?
[05:24:43] <ssi> it's more than a news station :P
[05:24:47] <zeeshan> o
[05:25:08] <zeeshan> if they got rid of nancy grace
[05:25:12] <zeeshan> everything would be okay
[05:25:30] <zeeshan> any progress on your cnc?
[05:25:40] <ssi> coolant pump is about it
[05:25:43] <ssi> I ordered my vfd
[05:25:48] <zeeshan> waiting on the boards?
[05:26:04] <zeeshan> i wish i could order my vfd
[05:26:06] <ssi> yeah, but worse than that
[05:26:09] <zeeshan> i found a killer deal on ebay
[05:26:14] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-AC-1-Phase-5-HP-Max-3-Phase-10-HP-Max-200-240-Volts-/171388500859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e78cfb7b
[05:26:17] <ssi> I'm waiting on servo drives :(
[05:26:19] <zeeshan> sensorless vfd too
[05:26:27] <zeeshan> 345!!!
[05:26:30] <zeeshan> dirt cheap
[05:26:48] <zeeshan> why your drives are nfg?
[05:27:06] <ssi> because parker are a bunch of ridiculous assholes
[05:27:22] <zeeshan> i wonder if bosch drives
[05:27:28] <zeeshan> are easy to work with
[05:27:55] <zeeshan> these guys were trying to help me decode this:
[05:27:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[05:28:34] <ssi> looks straightforward
[05:28:38] <ssi> DC servos
[05:28:49] <zeeshan> with a brake
[05:28:53] <zeeshan> iit looks like
[05:29:05] <ssi> ya
[05:29:13] <ssi> and tachometers
[05:29:26] <zeeshan> there seems t obe 2 switches
[05:29:29] <zeeshan> not sure what thats for
[05:29:32] <zeeshan> anf the FG
[05:29:38] <zeeshan> we wer e thinking i^2t is a temp sensor
[05:29:42] <zeeshan> *anf = and
[05:30:04] <zeeshan> are tachometers part of resolvers
[05:30:05] <zeeshan> or encoders?
[05:30:09] <zeeshan> could be either?
[05:30:32] <ssi> tachometers are what you need for velocity feedback for velocity mode drives
[05:30:43] <zeeshan> but what im asking is
[05:30:56] <zeeshan> are the tachs inside the servo through an encoder?
[05:31:01] <zeeshan> like an optical disc that rotates
[05:31:05] <zeeshan> and outputs a velocity?
[05:31:08] * zeeshan has no clue
[05:31:20] <ssi> mostly that vintage I think they're tachogenerators
[05:31:30] <ssi> they put out a voltage proportional to the speed they're spinnig
[05:31:36] <zeeshan> ah
[05:31:47] <ssi> my hnc has tachogenerators
[05:31:51] <ssi> and they get dirty and unreliable
[05:31:54] <ssi> have to be cleaned out
[05:31:57] <zeeshan> ah
[05:32:00] <zeeshan> theyre inside the servo housing?
[05:32:04] <ssi> no
[05:32:07] <ssi> on the hnc they're not
[05:32:21] <ssi> the servo is coupled to the ballscrew via a belt reduction
[05:32:25] <zeeshan> i took one of the ervos off so far
[05:32:29] <ssi> the ballscrew is coupled on the end to another belt pulley
[05:32:30] <zeeshan> its like 50lb
[05:32:34] <zeeshan> same here
[05:32:37] <ssi> or gear rather, which drives the resolver and the tachogenerator
[05:32:42] <zeeshan> it looks like a 2:1 ratio
[05:32:57] <zeeshan> oh so youre saying the resolver + tachgenerator
[05:33:06] <ssi> they're separate doohickeys
[05:33:06] <zeeshan> will be in line with the ball screw
[05:33:13] <ssi> mine aren't
[05:33:18] <ssi> they have little pinion gears
[05:33:25] <ssi> and they're held in mesh with a bigger pinion gear
[05:33:27] <ssi> in this big round assembly
[05:33:35] <ssi> then the whole round assembly is clocked on the ballscrew
[05:33:45] <ssi> and you can rotate all of the above to change the angle references
[05:33:48] <ssi> for home fine-tuning
[05:34:06] <ssi> it's fairly complex mechanically :P
[05:34:24] <zeeshan> interesting
[05:34:29] <zeeshan> my machine has scales
[05:34:33] <zeeshan> for home positioning
[05:34:46] <zeeshan> you havent seen it yet
[05:34:47] <zeeshan> but it fits!
[05:34:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Y042d8q.jpg
[05:35:55] <ssi> you have too much crap
[05:35:57] <ssi> the car's gotta go
[05:36:06] <zeeshan> i just move it out
[05:36:09] <zeeshan> if im doing a lotta work
[05:36:12] <zeeshan> otherwise it doesnt bother me
[05:36:21] <ssi> I don't even have to move my airplane out of t he way to use the vmc :)
[05:36:21] <XXCoder> just adjust your time lord garage to have 50x50 more feet
[05:37:04] <zeeshan> im gonna reposition the mill
[05:37:11] <zeeshan> it's back faces my brown tool box
[05:37:14] <zeeshan> it'll save me 22" of space
[05:37:34] <zeeshan> its 72" how it sits
[05:37:39] <zeeshan> vs 50" the other way
[05:38:21] <ssi> I'd leave it as is honestly
[05:38:26] <ssi> so you can fixture long parts along X
[05:38:40] <zeeshan> i do work on long shafts sometimes
[05:38:43] <zeeshan> keyways mostly
[05:38:44] <zeeshan> hm
[05:38:51] <zeeshan> okay then ill tuck it more back
[05:38:54] <XXCoder> thats whay she said
[05:38:54] <zeeshan> after the big ass control cabinet is gone
[05:39:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/js7pUBj.jpg
[05:39:13] <zeeshan> you can see the retarded old school computer
[05:39:13] <ssi> I had to space my vmc 2' away from the wall so I had access to the control cabinet on the back, and the swarf window on the right side
[05:39:16] <zeeshan> and big ass control cabinet
[05:39:20] <zeeshan> ill move it further there
[05:39:42] <ssi> I have an 11x11' square carved out for the vmc
[05:39:43] <zeeshan> that control cabinet will be garbage in a couple weeks
[05:39:58] <zeeshan> nice
[05:40:27] <ssi> what's the spindle taper?
[05:40:29] <ssi> BT30?
[05:40:33] <zeeshan> iso40
[05:40:52] <zeeshan> it definitely has a pneumatic tool changer
[05:40:56] <zeeshan> but i dont know what it uses
[05:40:57] <zeeshan> a stud
[05:40:59] <zeeshan> or what..
[05:41:07] <ssi> where's the tool carousel?
[05:41:15] <zeeshan> it doesnt have an automatic tool changer
[05:41:18] <ssi> oh
[05:41:19] <zeeshan> i mean manual
[05:41:21] <zeeshan> but pneumatic..
[05:41:21] <ssi> just a power drawbar
[05:41:23] <zeeshan> yea
[05:41:34] <ssi> yeah it needs a power drawbar for a 40 taper spindle
[05:41:41] <ssi> I guess that's what the dunce cap has in it :)
[05:41:46] <ssi> where's the spindle motor?
[05:41:51] <zeeshan> that green thing
[05:41:53] <zeeshan> on the top back
[05:42:17] <zeeshan> i think theres a big shaft
[05:42:23] <ssi> odd
[05:42:24] <zeeshan> that runs through the entire column
[05:42:28] <zeeshan> yea
[05:42:29] <ssi> bevel gears in the spindle head
[05:42:30] <ssi> ?
[05:42:32] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[05:42:37] <zeeshan> thats the only thing that would make sense
[05:42:37] <ssi> weird
[05:42:53] <zeeshan> hey at least
[05:42:59] <zeeshan> it's got a tag saying made in switzerland
[05:43:05] <zeeshan> so it's good be good right?
[05:43:06] <zeeshan> :D
[05:43:07] <ssi> they love gears
[05:43:08] <ssi> heh
[05:43:10] <zeeshan> *gotta
[05:43:16] <ssi> it oughta keep good time at least
[05:43:17] <zeeshan> yea until one explodes
[05:44:15] <zeeshan> ha
[05:44:17] <zeeshan> going through the pics
[05:44:20] <zeeshan> found this:
[05:44:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/wJmZCy2.jpg
[05:44:33] <ssi> is that the Y motor on the side?
[05:44:36] <zeeshan> so it uses a bosch tr10 amplifier
[05:44:38] <ssi> more damn bevel gears?
[05:44:42] <ssi> or rack and pinion, or what?
[05:44:52] <zeeshan> no
[05:44:57] <zeeshan> no rack and pinion
[05:45:07] <zeeshan> the y iis the head moving
[05:45:18] <zeeshan> theres a motor and pulley system
[05:45:20] <zeeshan> in there
[05:45:35] <zeeshan> you cant see it any of the pics
[05:45:37] <zeeshan> its kind of buried
[05:45:40] <ssi> looks like a mechanical nightmare
[05:45:50] <zeeshan> nahh
[05:45:57] <zeeshan> whats more of a nightmare
[05:46:00] <ssi> which incidentally I think is my new nickname for you
[05:46:02] <zeeshan> is figuring out where everything is going
[05:46:04] <ssi> "Zeeshan, the mechanical nightmare"
[05:46:07] <zeeshan> haha
[05:46:09] <ssi> :D
[05:47:26] <zeeshan> fuck
[05:47:33] <zeeshan> theres 3-3phase motors in this thing
[05:47:39] <zeeshan> water pump
[05:47:40] <ssi> I'm sure
[05:47:43] <zeeshan> hydraulic pump and spindle motor
[05:47:45] <ssi> mine's full the fuck up with 3 phase motors
[05:47:53] <zeeshan> the waterpump i can replace
[05:47:54] <ssi> the cooling fan on top of the spindle motor is 3 phase
[05:48:02] <zeeshan> but im really hoping the hydraulic one is a 0.5hp.
[05:48:26] <zeeshan> haha
[05:48:29] <zeeshan> how big is this fan
[05:49:06] <ssi> not really sure
[05:49:57] <zeeshan> 1hp?
[05:50:09] <zeeshan> i guess when youre running 3 phase
[05:50:13] <ssi> I'd be surprised
[05:50:16] <zeeshan> might as well
[05:50:21] <zeeshan> run everything as 3 phase
[05:50:27] <zeeshan> have you considerd a rotary phase converter?
[05:50:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzuWwY0IQAAMEfd.jpg
[05:50:31] <ssi> see the big red cap?
[05:50:34] <ssi> that's all fan I think
[05:50:34] <ssi> heh
[05:50:51] <ssi> VFDs are cheaper than rotary phase converters :P
[05:51:02] <zeeshan> i guess you can replace it
[05:51:05] <zeeshan> with a regular fan
[05:51:09] <zeeshan> im sure its something standard
[05:51:17] <ssi> nah I'll run it
[05:51:21] <ssi> worst case, vfd
[05:51:25] <ssi> best case, start cap or something
[05:51:30] <zeeshan> yea
[05:51:35] <zeeshan> <- is learning german
[05:51:37] <zeeshan> gleichstrommotoren
[05:51:39] <zeeshan> means dc motors!
[05:51:46] <ssi> :)
[05:51:53] <ssi> bleistiftspitzer
[05:51:57] <ssi> means pencil sharpener!
[05:52:04] <zeeshan> rofl
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[05:53:54] <zeeshan> dude
[05:53:57] <zeeshan> is it possible
[05:54:02] <Connor> ssi: So, you got different servo drives coming ?
[05:54:03] <roycroft> just remember to indicate the pencil before you attempt to sharpen it
[05:54:08] <zeeshan> that you have servos that only work with tachometers?
[05:54:21] <zeeshan> and nothing else?
[05:54:26] <toastydeath> i always used a collet closer to great success
[05:54:28] <toastydeath> for pencil sharpening
[05:54:32] <ssi> Connor: I have some AMC drives coming
[05:54:32] <toastydeath> no need to indicate
[05:54:36] <roycroft> you have a pencil collet?
[05:54:39] <XXCoder> ssi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKL6elkbFy0
[05:54:41] <ssi> I'm not sure if what I bought is what I'll end up running permanently tho
[05:54:47] <Connor> ssi Cool. I thought you was short on $$$
[05:54:48] <toastydeath> for hex pencils you just pick the closest hex collet
[05:54:54] <ssi> Connor: I am
[05:54:55] <toastydeath> and round ones, obviously just pick a round collet
[05:55:04] <Connor> ssi: Credit Card Huh? :)
[05:55:04] <ssi> Connor: two of the drives I got were about $75 apiece
[05:55:10] <roycroft> what about lumber pencils?
[05:55:20] <ssi> Connor: yeah actually I stuck the VFD on a credit card
[05:55:54] <toastydeath> if i was sharpening lumber pencils frequently i imagine i'd have to machine a soft collet
[05:56:01] <toastydeath> not a big deal
[05:56:04] <toastydeath> still annoying though
[05:56:25] <Connor> Looking at your spindle.. you have PDB ON, PDB OFF, and Tool Inserted sensors..
[05:56:34] <Connor> not sure if you have a 180 out sensor like pete's
[05:57:07] <ssi> I think mine might be 1:1
[05:57:09] <ssi> not really sure yet
[05:57:15] <ssi> but the spindle motor itself is rated to 10k
[05:57:22] <Connor> Wow.
[05:57:23] <zeeshan> toastydeath: dont be cnc sharpening!
[05:57:28] <ssi> 15hp, 10krpm
[05:57:29] <ssi> weeee
[05:57:38] <toastydeath> cnc sharpening is the way to go
[05:57:57] <ssi> Connor: the books say something about a broken tool sensor
[05:57:58] <toastydeath> it was shop policy that all "home projects and stupid programs" be kept with O numbers in the 7000s
[05:58:01] <ssi> not sure how that works exactly :P
[05:58:06] <zeeshan> why would this cnc mill
[05:58:09] <zeeshan> have a hydraulic pump?
[05:58:20] <toastydeath> so i just kept the lathe program for "sharpen pencil" up there
[05:58:24] <zeeshan> to lubricatre the ball screws
[05:58:24] <ssi> zeeshan: I imagine because it has hydraulics :)
[05:58:25] <zeeshan> ?
[05:58:27] <Connor> That's probably one of those prox sensors I was just talking about.
[05:58:41] <zeeshan> ssi dont be a smart ass
[05:58:41] <ssi> probably
[05:58:42] <zeeshan> :)
[05:58:57] <ssi> I seriously doubt they'd use a hydraulic pump for lubrication
[05:59:13] <ssi> I'm very happy none of my machines have hydraulics
[05:59:34] <zeeshan> hm
[05:59:39] <zeeshan> im wondering where theyd be using hydraulics
[05:59:46] <zeeshan> maybe the tool changer is hydraulic
[05:59:50] <zeeshan> and not pneumatic..
[05:59:52] <zeeshan> that'd be weird.
[05:59:59] <ssi> very possible
[06:00:02] <DaViruz> my tool release is hydraulic
[06:00:11] <zeeshan> okay
[06:00:12] <Connor> Could be Hydraulic Boost.
[06:00:13] <ssi> the dunce cap looks too skinny to have a proper pneumatic drawbar
[06:00:17] <zeeshan> that explains why there is a stainless steel braded line
[06:00:18] <zeeshan> going to it..
[06:00:22] <DaViruz> it deoesn't bother mee except the pump mackes noise
[06:00:28] <zeeshan> ssi whats a dunce cap
[06:00:35] <Connor> that tall green thing
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[06:00:43] <DaViruz> i also have a hydraulic vise which is nice sometimes
[06:00:57] <zeeshan> if we're gonna make fun of my machine
[06:01:00] <zeeshan> can we please do it in style?
[06:01:05] <zeeshan> that's a tapered dildo.
[06:01:10] <zeeshan> not a dunce cap.
[06:01:31] <zeeshan> i mean seriously
[06:01:33] <ssi> Connor: my machine came with a spare drawbar cylinder
[06:01:38] <zeeshan> these guys put up a hydraulic pump, reservoir
[06:01:40] <ssi> Connor: which I think would work for the griz ;)
[06:01:44] <zeeshan> just so they could have a compact tool changer?
[06:01:45] <zeeshan> wtf..
[06:01:52] <Connor> ssi Nice.. You sure? Looks a little big....
[06:02:26] <DaViruz> are pneumatic tool release cylinders more common? i think most i've ever seen have been hydraulic
[06:02:27] <zeeshan> ssi
[06:02:30] <zeeshan> do you have pics of your entire machine?
[06:02:41] <zeeshan> daviruz well the diy guys all really do pneumatic
[06:03:06] <ssi> Connor: yeah it might be a bit too big
[06:03:07] <DaViruz> understandable. i'm going pneumatic on my home built as well
[06:03:23] <ssi> zeeshan: what sort of pics
[06:03:29] <DaViruz> mostly because i happened to find some really nice big bore short stroke cylinders
[06:03:38] <zeeshan> like the whole machine
[06:03:39] <zeeshan> from far away
[06:03:39] <zeeshan> :D
[06:03:44] <zeeshan> to give an idea of its size
[06:04:09] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzuZ7sSIYAAtckC.jpg:large
[06:04:21] <zeeshan> looks lonely
[06:04:32] <ssi> not now that there's an airplane in there
[06:04:32] <zeeshan> but damn
[06:04:35] <zeeshan> that doesnt take much space
[06:04:41] <ssi> heh
[06:04:48] <ssi> that's a 42'x37' hangar
[06:04:49] <Connor> ssi: zeeshan: PetefromTn: I hate all of you.. and your big a$$ space.. and you big a$$ machines...
[06:04:55] <ssi> the wing cutouts are 11x17'
[06:04:58] <zeeshan> connor
[06:04:59] <zeeshan> wtf
[06:04:59] <zeeshan> mate
[06:05:02] <Connor> :)
[06:05:03] <zeeshan> did you even see the pic i posted of my garage
[06:05:10] <zeeshan> where do you see big ass space!
[06:05:26] <zeeshan> ssi i didnt mean to hurt your manhood size
[06:05:27] <Connor> zeeshan: My shop is a 11' x 7' ROOM.
[06:05:35] <zeeshan> i was trying to say it fits perfect in your shop
[06:05:40] <zeeshan> :-)
[06:05:58] <ssi> I'm just trying to tell you it's not small
[06:06:00] <Connor> I have about 2' x 3' area to roll a chair around in.. If that much.
[06:06:07] <zeeshan> i never said it was!
[06:06:09] <ssi> it would take up all the space where your car is
[06:06:21] <zeeshan> you said it has 11'x11'
[06:06:23] <zeeshan> dedicated
[06:06:26] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzuaWTqIcAAyZ_f.jpg:large
[06:06:27] <zeeshan> i know its big :)
[06:06:34] <ssi> with the freshly powdercoated chip/coolant trays
[06:06:44] <zeeshan> ricer!
[06:06:52] <zeeshan> looks great
[06:07:02] <zeeshan> whyd you pick white though
[06:07:05] <ssi> they're grey
[06:07:11] <zeeshan> i woulda made em black
[06:07:15] <zeeshan> so you never have to clean em again
[06:07:15] <zeeshan> :-)
[06:07:18] <ssi> heh
[06:08:00] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvjScTx3lI
[06:08:03] <XXCoder> way too insane
[06:08:15] <XXCoder> im no lathe expert but iusnt that way too thick cut?
[06:08:19] <roycroft> black shows dirt more than any other color
[06:08:32] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i was doing that cut
[06:08:33] <zeeshan> on my lathe!
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[06:09:01] <zeeshan> too bad it wasnt stainless
[06:09:02] <zeeshan> :(
[06:09:34] <XXCoder> is the cutting bit side magnetic?
[06:10:17] <zeeshan> this guy makes me mad
[06:10:21] <zeeshan> hes got stainless to waste
[06:10:22] <zeeshan> :-(
[06:10:26] <Connor> OKay... So, How bad is it to run USB and SATA parallel to 120v AC ?
[06:10:33] <XXCoder> yellow hot steel
[06:10:34] <ssi> hardinge AHCs make me sad
[06:10:43] <zeeshan> connor how lon of a run?
[06:10:44] <Connor> I'm pretty sure neither of them are shielded.
[06:10:56] <Connor> in side my enclosure.. maybe 18" ?
[06:10:58] <ssi> Connor: shouldn't be a problem at all
[06:11:03] <zeeshan> most of thsoe computers signals
[06:11:12] <zeeshan> have error checking
[06:11:14] <zeeshan> so its not a big deal
[06:11:26] <ssi> 60Hz ac isn't gonna induce that much noise in it
[06:11:34] <zeeshan> ssi
[06:11:35] <ssi> if it was high current stepper motor wires it'd be worse
[06:11:39] <zeeshan> arent the signals differential too?
[06:11:41] <ssi> cause they have fast edges that make lots of noise
[06:12:00] <ssi> I don't know if sata is differential
[06:12:03] <ssi> pretty sure usb isn't
[06:12:08] <Connor> those will run perpendicular to these.. so I'm good.
[06:12:22] <zeeshan> connor
[06:12:26] <zeeshan> you should have a speerate enclosure
[06:12:28] <zeeshan> for your computer!
[06:12:32] <zeeshan> and your drivers!
[06:12:34] * zeeshan is trolling
[06:12:41] <Connor> zeeshan: Not going to happen.
[06:12:45] <zeeshan> whenever someone says
[06:12:53] <zeeshan> "noise will be a problem"
[06:12:55] <Connor> I've had ZERO issues with it.
[06:12:56] <zeeshan> just show em my pic
[06:12:56] <zeeshan> !
[06:13:03] <XXCoder> he ruined the tool on lasrt inbe
[06:13:07] <XXCoder> last one
[06:13:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/OOBcfTB.jpg
[06:13:18] <zeeshan> VFD in there too!
[06:13:24] <zeeshan> i had limit switch issues
[06:13:43] <zeeshan> pretty sure that toriod was emitting noise
[06:13:46] <zeeshan> wasn't the vfd for sure
[06:13:55] <ssi> I had issues on my plasma table, but the limit switches are in cable chain alongside stepper cables for like 20'
[06:13:59] <Connor> I don't have a VFD, and I'm using a switch PSU for the steppers.
[06:14:02] <ssi> a debounce component fixed it
[06:14:05] <zeeshan> do toriods emit noise?
[06:14:10] <ssi> not as much
[06:14:11] <zeeshan> psu
[06:14:20] <zeeshan> then what the hell was causing noise on my limit switcvhes
[06:14:22] <zeeshan> that i had to use debounce
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[06:14:30] <Connor> the switches themselves.
[06:14:30] <zeeshan> it wasn't vfd, it wasn't transformer
[06:14:35] <zeeshan> nor was it the stepper drive
[06:14:37] <ssi> switches bounce
[06:14:40] <zeeshan> why
[06:14:40] <Connor> yup.
[06:14:48] <ssi> mechanical nightmare :)
[06:14:48] <zeeshan> how do they bounce
[06:14:51] <Connor> they make/break contact during the switching process.
[06:14:52] <zeeshan> haha shuddap
[06:14:56] <zeeshan> rofl that made me laugh
[06:15:13] <zeeshan> no i wouldn't even be close to closing em
[06:15:17] <zeeshan> and they'd be triggering
[06:15:25] <Connor> Weak or Cheap BOB.
[06:15:27] <ssi> yeah that's cable noise
[06:15:35] <zeeshan> its gotta be the bob
[06:15:43] <Connor> running parallel to the stepper motors ?
[06:15:44] <zeeshan> cause thats the only thing i couldnt test for
[06:15:44] <ssi> THE BOBS
[06:16:02] <zeeshan> connor yes
[06:16:02] <Connor> I have a issue with one of mine on my router...
[06:16:04] <zeeshan> but shielded cable
[06:16:11] <zeeshan> and the noise is there
[06:16:15] <zeeshan> whether the steppers are on/off
[06:16:19] <zeeshan> so i know its not the steppers
[06:16:24] <Connor> I'm using optical with a schmit trigger..
[06:16:48] <XXCoder> this is cool. fancy colors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4s4Cm8jmBs
[06:17:17] <zeeshan> does anyone know
[06:17:24] <zeeshan> if you can communicate using "Devicenet"
[06:17:25] <zeeshan> with linuxcnc
[06:17:59] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/case3.jpg
[06:18:10] <Connor> That's what my case looked like before I started work on it..
[06:18:25] <zeeshan> whats that stuff
[06:18:26] <zeeshan> on the very top?
[06:18:37] <zeeshan> with the black thing on it
[06:18:38] <Connor> Spindle Speed Controller.
[06:18:48] <zeeshan> ah okay
[06:18:59] <zeeshan> fancy twisted wires everywhere
[06:19:02] <Connor> with reverse ability, heat sink.. and under it is a large break resistor..
[06:19:15] <zeeshan> DC motor?
[06:19:17] <Connor> Yea.
[06:19:31] <zeeshan> holy cow
[06:19:33] <zeeshan> your motherboard is tiny
[06:19:38] <zeeshan> is that the atom mobo?
[06:19:41] <ssi> no YOUR motherboard is tiny
[06:19:46] <ssi> D:
[06:19:51] <zeeshan> ssi your face is tiny
[06:19:52] <Connor> I mounted it exactly the way your not suppose to.. manual specificly says mount it so that break is on top or side.. not on bottom.
[06:19:54] <XXCoder> thats whay she said
[06:19:59] <ssi> i ish
[06:20:00] <ssi> wish
[06:20:10] <Connor> Yes. It's a Atom 525D
[06:20:15] <zeeshan> shit dude
[06:20:16] <zeeshan> that's so small
[06:20:21] <zeeshan> i should look into that
[06:20:27] <zeeshan> but i already have a mobo ready to go
[06:20:33] <zeeshan> but if i get tied for space
[06:20:38] <Connor> 4GB Ram. 1 PCI Slot
[06:20:44] <zeeshan> dont you need like 2
[06:20:45] <zeeshan> for mesa
[06:20:49] <Connor> No.
[06:20:54] <Connor> 1 for the 5i25
[06:21:10] <Connor> has built in Ethernet, USB, and SETA
[06:21:29] <Connor> 4 USB on back, 2 USB headers
[06:21:30] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-AC-1-Phase-5-HP-Max-3-Phase-10-HP-Max-200-240-Volts-/171388500859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e78cfb7b
[06:21:32] <zeeshan> is this the cheapest
[06:21:38] <zeeshan> ill ever find a brand new 10hp 3ph vfd?
[06:21:46] <zeeshan> i mean everywhere else i look
[06:21:47] <zeeshan> theyre 699
[06:21:52] <zeeshan> or 500 at least
[06:22:02] <zeeshan> connor nice
[06:22:04] <zeeshan> parallel port?
[06:22:22] <zeeshan> nm
[06:22:22] <Connor> Yes, it does have a built in pport too.. but, I have a 2ndary card in it at the moment..
[06:22:24] <zeeshan> i see a header
[06:22:33] <Connor> of course, I'm upgrading..
[06:22:36] <Connor> to the 5i25
[06:22:56] <Connor> yea, that machine has 3 pports on it right now.. the integrated one.. and the PCI which has 1 external and 1 on the header.
[06:23:08] <zeeshan> whats pushing you to do mesa
[06:23:11] <zeeshan> more i/o?
[06:23:17] <Connor> Yes.
[06:23:23] <zeeshan> nice
[06:23:37] <zeeshan> plus you said you were doing a rotary table
[06:23:37] <Connor> Plus.. I want some more exp with Mesa
[06:23:39] <zeeshan> so you need another axis
[06:23:44] <Connor> correct.
[06:24:04] <Connor> I have enough for it.. but.. I robbed my limit switches input for testing my touch probe.
[06:24:17] <zeeshan> haha
[06:24:34] <zeeshan> okay time for bed
[06:24:36] <Connor> but, adding I/O for the coolant pump, touch probes.. 4th axis... and spindle has a encoder on it..
[06:24:36] <zeeshan> GNITE!!
[06:24:44] <zeeshan> why i/o for coolant pump
[06:24:48] <zeeshan> so you can m8 from linuxcnc?
[06:24:53] <Connor> yea.
[06:24:59] <Connor> so the machine can turn coolant on/off
[06:25:09] <zeeshan> thats a luxury. :p
[06:25:22] <zeeshan> i personally dont like doing it through the control
[06:25:25] <zeeshan> even on big cnc machines
[06:25:29] <zeeshan> i always turned it on manually
[06:25:30] <Connor> When I get done with this machine.. it's going to have a PDB and a Tool changer.
[06:25:40] <zeeshan> but general people can forget
[06:25:43] <Connor> I already have the PDB built.
[06:26:18] <Connor> My only issue is.. I'm running out of room on the back for connectors..
[06:26:36] <zeeshan> are they 4 pin
[06:26:37] <Connor> I just have the DB9 and 2 of the 4 pin connectors left.
[06:26:49] <zeeshan> maybe you can change to 6 pin connectors
[06:26:51] <zeeshan> or even 8 pin
[06:27:20] <Connor> 5 x 4 pins, 1 connector for the spindle, 1 DB9, and 2 AC Euro plugs.
[06:28:06] <Connor> I might be able to make a larger plate.. or change out the Euro's for a a dongle style connector..
[06:28:23] <zeeshan> or get rid of one of your fans
[06:28:24] <zeeshan> :P
[06:28:28] <zeeshan> do you really need two?
[06:28:29] <zeeshan> :D
[06:28:45] <Connor> I have 1 open slot left.. but I was reserving that in case I needed to bring the 2nd Mesa port into the enclosure.
[06:28:53] <Connor> No. In fact, neither of them are wired up.
[06:29:05] <zeeshan> just river a plate in place of one
[06:29:10] <zeeshan> and you'll have tons more space
[06:29:11] <zeeshan> :P
[06:29:18] <zeeshan> *rivet
[06:29:34] <Connor> I'll use screws so I can remove the plate.. but, yea.. it might come down to that.
[06:29:49] <zeeshan> okay
[06:29:52] <zeeshan> must sleep
[06:29:53] <zeeshan> so tired!
[06:29:54] <zeeshan> gnite
[06:29:55] <Connor> I DO have a little room next to the DB9
[06:30:07] <Connor> I think that might be a SCSI knock out..
[06:30:11] <Connor> or DB25
[06:30:43] <ssi> :)
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[06:33:19] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[11:49:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: thats a bit of a problem, as he is a self employed farmer, last time i looked ;-)
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[12:02:41] <IrrerIvan> hi there, i ran into some trouble setting up a joypad with Linuxcnc 2.6, maybe anyone can help me? For starters I would like to find out, how to set the jog value that also is displayed via a setp command
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[15:08:59] <archivist> so you want a large casting, come to England
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29587196
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[15:09:43] <malcom2073> Why would a pwmgen.n.pwm-freq 20 in the .hal file, result in it being 20 when I start linuxcnc?
[15:10:08] <malcom2073> setting it via halcmd after linuxcnc is running seems towork fine
[15:10:33] <archivist> are you confusing frequency with pwm
[15:11:06] <malcom2073> No, I'm trying to set the pwm frequency, not the duty cycle
[15:11:20] <malcom2073> if it's set to 0, it runs at full speed (whatever the thread is running at)
[15:11:29] <malcom2073> which is bad, since my SSR's can't handle that heh
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[15:11:58] <archivist> your original question seems like it does exactly what you asked
[15:12:07] <malcom2073> Whups
[15:12:11] <malcom2073> Why would a pwmgen.n.pwm-freq 20 in the .hal file, result in it being 0 when I start linuxcnc?
[15:12:13] <malcom2073> ^^ proper question
[15:12:30] <malcom2073> You're right, I asked a stupid question the first time around :)
[15:12:43] <archivist> I am awake it seems
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[15:12:49] <malcom2073> Indeed, I am not.
[15:13:02] <malcom2073> Nothing else in the hal file touches the pwm-freq, is there some other configurationI may be missing that could be setting it back to 0?
[15:13:13] <archivist> is it waiting to be enabled
[15:13:16] <malcom2073> Or, does changing things like max-dc, reset the pwm-freq to 0?
[15:13:27] <malcom2073> It is enabled before the pwm-freq is set in the hal file, should I enable it after?
[15:13:52] <archivist> order matters for some things, dunno about that one
[15:14:03] <malcom2073> I'll try moving it around, see if that helps
[15:15:45] <malcom2073> hmm, enablign before/after setting it doesn't seem to help, neither does setting it first, or last in the file
[15:16:04] <malcom2073> setting it via command line works after linuxcnc is running though, so something between loading the config file, and the UI coming up, is setting it to 0
[15:22:59] <malcom2073> Hmm, doesn't seem so
[15:27:08] <malcom2073> Can I do: setp wcomp.0.min <= encl.temp.measure - 20 where encl.temp.measure is a float signal?
[15:27:43] <malcom2073> or rather, net
[15:27:45] <malcom2073> not setp
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[15:31:01] <zeeshan> hi!
[15:31:08] <malcom2073> Hi!
[15:32:00] <zeeshan> has anyone heard of the brand sumitomo?
[15:32:01] <zeeshan> http://www.sumitomodrive.com/
[15:32:01] <zeeshan> ?
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[15:32:52] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-AC-1-Phase-5-HP-Max-3-Phase-10-HP-Max-200-240-Volts-/171388500859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e78cfb7b
[15:32:55] <zeeshan> looking to buy one of these
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[15:34:55] <jdh> sumitomo does everything
[15:35:20] <zeeshan> is it a good reliable brand
[15:35:58] <jdh> made for an elevator, I'd imagine is is good.
[15:37:16] <zeeshan> im looking at it how it communicates
[15:37:22] <jdh> the nameplate doesn't mention single phase input
[15:37:22] <zeeshan> it uses the devicenet protocol
[15:37:26] <zeeshan> using rs485
[15:37:30] <zeeshan> jdh yea its 3 phase
[15:37:34] <zeeshan> im using it on a 5 hp motor
[15:37:47] <jdh> you have 3phase power?
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[15:37:51] <zeeshan> no
[15:37:57] <zeeshan> all vfds are 3 phase
[15:38:01] <zeeshan> you can run them off single phase
[15:38:06] <jdh> 11:37 < jdh> the nameplate doesn't mention single phase input
[15:38:12] <zeeshan> so?
[15:38:23] <zeeshan> [11:37:57] <zeeshan> all vfds are 3 phase [11:38:01] <zeeshan> you can run them off single phase
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[15:38:43] <zeeshan> the ones that say single phase input
[15:38:46] <zeeshan> just have larger capacitors
[15:38:49] <zeeshan> and transistors
[15:39:03] <zeeshan> so whenever you buy a 3 phase vfd , and are trying to run say a 2 hp motor
[15:39:16] <zeeshan> you'd end up running a 4 hp drive if youre providing it single phase
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[15:39:53] <Loetmichel> *gnah* what did i start as i helped my sister plan the wiring in her new house... i had just a call from my bother in law to be... 15 minutes of "whcih cable will go wehere and how much should i order for each component?"... i see a lot of masonary work coming to me... (as the walls in germany tend to be massive stone/bricks)... i should ask my boss for a few weeks off soon i fear ;-)
[15:40:27] <jdh> no, you should say "I'm sorry, I don't use windows so I can't really help"
[15:41:05] <jdh> (or the equivalent... that is what I do when friends/family ask about computer problems)
[15:41:26] <Loetmichel> ahem.
[15:41:50] <jdh> s/windows/residential wiring/
[15:42:48] <Loetmichel> my sister may be a hairdresser by profession... but she has worked the last 4 years as an WIn/linux Admin... so she can pretty much hold her own there... (and if not she asks me for telephone support)... but electric wiring requires a "facharbeiter" in germany i.e. someone who has the certificates to do it...
[15:42:54] <Loetmichel> ... which would be me ;-)
[15:43:22] <jdh> time sink.massive.
[15:43:39] <zeeshan> lol
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[16:29:53] <zeeshan> "Two very different types of lathes typically used to turn two types of materials. What are they ? (do not use "and" or comma...just name the two, soft material first, one space between names. [If you have trouble with this email don@practicalmachinist.com but be prepared with a short bio on yourself so I can tell you are not a spammer. ]"
[16:29:58] <zeeshan> wtf is this question asking me
[16:30:19] <zeeshan> i wrote aluminum steel
[16:30:23] <zeeshan> and thats not the answer.
[16:31:42] <Rab> wood/metal :P
[16:31:46] <zeeshan> i tried that too
[16:31:46] <zeeshan> lol
[16:31:48] <zeeshan> "wood metal"
[16:31:49] <zeeshan> failure
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[16:33:08] <Rab> Haha, maybe wood is considered "harder" since it's less ductile? (Lignin fracturing rather than displacing.)
[16:33:15] <Rab> Beats me.
[16:33:15] <zeeshan> i tried both ways :P
[16:33:31] <zeeshan> trying to restore my password prac. machinist form
[16:33:33] <zeeshan> forum
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[16:35:06] <archivist> types of lathes, not types of material!
[16:35:21] <archivist> read the question
[16:35:36] <zeeshan> oh
[16:35:40] <zeeshan> engine and turret ?
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[16:37:21] <zeeshan> engine turret doesnt work nor does turret engine work :P
[16:37:34] <archivist> hand turning for wood, engine for metal
[16:38:18] <archivist> but as a hand turner of metal I dispute that question
[16:38:25] <zeeshan> haha
[16:39:11] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[16:39:12] <XXCoder> wood lathe and metal lathe
[16:39:42] <zeeshan> yea
[16:39:43] <archivist> pole lathe is made of wood and turns wood
[16:39:46] <zeeshan> but tyhe thing doesnt work
[16:39:51] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/login.php?do=lostpw
[16:39:56] <zeeshan> trying to restore my password
[16:40:00] <zeeshan> but that way is so retarded.
[16:40:12] <XXCoder> I suspect there is more specific names
[16:41:04] <archivist> the question is retarded because you can turn wood on a metal cnc lathe
[16:41:22] <XXCoder> but not reverse
[16:41:38] <XXCoder> so far I know anyway
[16:42:11] <zeeshan> haha thats true
[16:42:41] <archivist> I am pretty sure I could hand turn metal on a wood lathe
[16:42:45] <Tom_itx> you can shape metal on a wood lathe
[16:42:50] <zeeshan> you can even turn metal
[16:42:54] <zeeshan> on a metal lathe by hand
[16:43:04] <zeeshan> its a bit dangerous :P
[16:43:05] <archivist> spinning lathe too
[16:43:11] <XXCoder> http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f6/why-no-turning-metal-wood-lathe-23565/
[16:43:38] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_lathe#Types_of_metal_lathes Center lathe / engine lathe / bench lathe
[16:43:54] <zeeshan> i give up on the answer
[16:43:57] <zeeshan> im not restoring my password
[16:43:58] <zeeshan> !!!
[16:44:06] <XXCoder> essay it is then lol
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[16:45:22] <CaptHindsight> Toolroom, turret, capstan, gang-tool, multispindle, cnc, swiss, combination, mini, micro, wheel, lathe, oil country are how wikipedia lists them
[16:45:48] <zeeshan> The answer given for the random question was incorrect.
[16:45:49] <zeeshan> !
[16:46:30] <CaptHindsight> why didn't he just post the answers and then ask for the question?
[16:46:42] <zeeshan> haha
[16:46:46] <zeeshan> cause he's retarded
[16:46:51] <zeeshan> its so frustrating
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[16:47:20] <XXCoder> zeeshan: there is lternate way
[16:47:31] <XXCoder> just write short summary about yourself and email
[16:47:34] <zeeshan> no
[16:47:36] <CaptHindsight> or ask "I have my own idea of how to categorize lathes, how do I categorize them into only two categories?"
[16:47:38] <zeeshan> i dont have time for that non sense
[16:47:45] <zeeshan> summary about myself
[16:47:45] <zeeshan> ..
[16:47:46] <zeeshan> ROFL
[16:47:53] <zeeshan> "i am noob, give me password."
[16:47:54] <XXCoder> you probably took more time figuring answert than that already
[16:48:57] <zeeshan> :D
[16:49:03] <zeeshan> time for FOOD!@
[16:49:16] <zeeshan> and youre right
[16:49:18] <CaptHindsight> how many kinds of wrenches are there? (BTW I am always right, very important and take myself very seriously)
[16:49:19] <zeeshan> i wasted more time guessing :P
[16:49:28] <zeeshan> 987498
[16:50:05] <XXCoder> capt more than there is atoms in universe. ;)
[16:50:12] <CaptHindsight> sounds like whoever wrote that recovery question would make a great public school teacher
[16:50:17] <Tom_itx> there are but two kinds of wrenches
[16:50:24] <Tom_itx> the right one for the job and the wrong one
[16:51:41] <syyl_ws> you can still bang with the wrench on stuff
[16:51:47] <syyl_ws> then its the right one ;)
[16:52:43] <CaptHindsight> they still teach that gravity pulls on things /end rant
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[16:54:33] <archivist> well gravity does not push
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[16:56:50] <syyl_ws> its just an inverted pull
[16:56:51] <syyl_ws> ;)
[16:57:47] <SpeedEvil> The earth sucks
[16:59:37] <syyl_ws> :D
[17:02:57] <CaptHindsight> my suggestion: "Read my mind and tell me what I'm thinking. [If you have trouble with this email don@practicalmachinist.com but be prepared with a short bio on yourself so I can tell you are not a spammer. ]"
[17:05:52] <kfoltman> notverypracticalmachinist.com
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[17:12:41] <syyl_ws> haha
[17:12:47] <syyl_ws> practical machinist is awesome
[17:12:48] <syyl_ws> :D
[17:13:01] <syyl_ws> some people there got a pretty good sized stick up there but..
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[19:24:13] <nofxx> anyone running solidworks on vmware? vbox crashes the photoview =/
[19:26:01] <CaptHindsight> I've had problems with some versions of Solidworks on Winders
[19:26:11] <t12> i run it in fusion
[19:26:12] <t12> poorly
[19:26:54] <nofxx> all works nice, it's even fast, but photoview crashes... no fun hehe
[19:27:26] <nofxx> what's getting me frustated is that it works 1/20 times you try
[19:27:44] <Jymmm> google it, you cna't be the only one with the issue.
[19:28:17] <nofxx> Jymmm, didn't came here first, guarantee you..
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[19:28:33] <humble_sea_bass> i keep my thinkpad from college around just for solidworks in shop
[19:28:50] <Jymmm> nofxx: So you contacted vmware tech support and asked?
[19:28:58] <humble_sea_bass> because SW in a VM is nothing but tears
[19:29:14] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: hardly, mine is fine.
[19:29:23] <ReadError> i only run SW in a VM...
[19:29:29] <ReadError> works 100%
[19:29:33] <nofxx> humble_sea_bass, cad world is stuck in the 90's , who uses windows nowdays? damn
[19:29:49] <humble_sea_bass> i guess I have an armada of bad laptops
[19:29:57] <nofxx> Jymmm, got virtuabox, don't wanna install all again in vmware to verify it won't work
[19:30:05] <nofxx> was asking here first, but lets try some search too
[19:30:16] <ReadError> vbox kinda sucks compared to vmware
[19:30:18] <ReadError> just sayin
[19:30:26] <ReadError> or parallels
[19:30:28] <ReadError> =
[19:31:17] <nofxx> btw, freecad is really nice, give it 2 or 3 years I guess won't be much for inventor or solidowrks
[19:31:36] <nofxx> for now there's no assembly...
[19:31:43] <nofxx> bugged branch only*
[19:32:34] <nofxx> maybe 5.. hehe, need to take my hat off, 3D cad software is tricky
[19:33:29] <humble_sea_bass> 2 or 3 years nad it will fork
[19:33:35] <ReadError> solidworks was the easiest for me to pick up
[19:33:40] <ReadError> stuff just made sense
[19:33:47] <humble_sea_bass> because someone used MIT license vs GNU
[19:33:50] <ReadError> dont see any point in switching at this point
[19:34:10] <humble_sea_bass> solidworkds is the cats pajamas
[19:34:26] <nofxx> humble_sea_bass, it's LGPL, imho MIT/LGPL way better than GPL, why do you think otherwise?
[19:34:40] <nofxx> ReadError, true, more intuitive
[19:35:00] <humble_sea_bass> 7there isnt enough weed on earth to fall for your troll nofxx
[19:35:00] <nofxx> or least surprise*
[19:35:31] <nofxx> humble_sea_bass, there is... DWTFYW.. my personal favorite ;)
[19:36:30] <nofxx> humble_sea_bass, or honey B or tangerine dream
[19:37:22] <humble_sea_bass> anyhow. solidworks...
[19:38:21] <ReadError> nofxx seeing as its been around for 12 years
[19:38:32] <ReadError> duno how you expect it to be at SW level in 2
[19:39:14] <humble_sea_bass> sw is just the siemens nx engine with a custom interface
[19:39:22] <nofxx> ReadError, it's getting attention just 2, 3 years from now
[19:39:36] <nofxx> ReadError, and got somehow usable... now with the userbase things go faster
[19:40:10] <nofxx> ReadError, also, if you try it you going to start using with no issues, it's really "based" on solidworks hehe
[19:40:55] <nofxx> actually it's a game of synonyms dictionary hehe...
[19:41:28] <nofxx> boss -> pad , cut -> pocket
[19:43:07] <nofxx> pretty much the same the rest... loft, sweep, fillet, mirror, booleans
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[20:43:41] <zeeshan> fak
[20:43:47] <zeeshan> i scavenged some money and bought that vfd
[20:43:55] <zeeshan> only one left now
[20:44:06] <zeeshan> it was selling like hot cakes at the price
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[20:47:02] <jdh> do hotcakes sell quickly
[20:47:58] <zeeshan> yes
[20:48:05] <zeeshan> delkicious hotcakes
[20:48:10] <zeeshan> http://www.plccenter.ca/Buy/SUMITOMO%20MACHINERY%20INC/HF43027A5?redirect=true
[20:48:13] <zeeshan> this drive goes for like 1k
[20:48:23] <zeeshan> hes got a bunch of them brand new for 345
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[20:56:17] <jdh> WARNING: DO NOT USE WITH SINGLE PHASE
[20:56:52] <zeeshan> ??
[20:57:05] <jdh> on that page
[20:57:34] <jdh> oh, I misread that... it really says Estimated Retail Price - $1,630.00
[20:57:47] <zeeshan> you really need to take a regular 3 phase vfd
[20:57:50] <zeeshan> and put in 1 phase in it
[20:58:25] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/search?q=single+phase+3+phase+vfd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=a-s6VNfeKKPE8gf174CoBQ
[20:58:31] <jdh> I have, but they all have singlephase nameplates
[20:58:43] <zeeshan> well that just means the components in them
[20:58:46] <zeeshan> can handle the extra load
[20:58:55] <jdh> but... for my uses, the price is not so important.
[20:59:10] <zeeshan> for me price is everything
[20:59:14] <zeeshan> and finding a single phase 5 hp drive
[20:59:17] <zeeshan> is almost impossible
[20:59:25] <zeeshan> basically all vfds work the same way
[20:59:33] <zeeshan> ac power in, rectified to DC
[20:59:49] <zeeshan> that voltage then gets sent to switching amplifiers
[21:00:02] <zeeshan> thats how it modifies the sine wave output
[21:00:29] <zeeshan> so instead of going through 3 bridge rectifiers
[21:00:41] <zeeshan> its going through one, and its seeing more power
[21:00:50] <zeeshan> that's how i see it working
[21:02:17] <pcw_home> The issue with running on single phase is ripple (and ripple current in the filter capacitors)
[21:02:58] <zeeshan> yes
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[21:03:07] <zeeshan> but thats why you derate the 3 phase vfd by 2
[21:03:14] <zeeshan> 10hp 3phase for 5 hp single phase
[21:03:24] <zeeshan> so that the caps can handle the ripple thats happening every 120 deg
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[21:05:02] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/transformers-phase-converters-vfd/how-avoid-de-rating-3phase-only-vfds-152794/
[21:05:04] <zeeshan> ha interesting
[21:05:15] <zeeshan> this thread talks about using a 5 hp 3 phase to run off 1phase
[21:05:19] <zeeshan> to drive a 5 hp motor
[21:05:31] <zeeshan> by using an external bridge rectifier and cap
[21:05:39] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:08:07] <zeeshan> too hardcore for me :P
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[21:14:35] <pcw_home> If the DC bus was brought out you could probably add capacitors and not have to de-rate for single phase
[21:14:36] <pcw_home> 3 phase makes everything easy since power is always suppled (instead of going away 120 times a second)
[21:14:38] <pcw_home> (and even without filter capacitors you have only a small amount of ripple)
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[21:18:27] <zeeshan> pcw_home: is it true
[21:18:50] <zeeshan> that you could technically provide DC voltage directly to the switching amplifiers
[21:18:56] <zeeshan> and have it work correctly?
[21:19:04] <zeeshan> and by pass the entire filtering/rectifying circuit
[21:19:07] <zeeshan> (input side)
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[21:38:34] <pcw_home> Sure, the VFD runs on DC , but a 3 phase rectifier is the most economical way to get large amounts of DC power
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[21:45:46] <zeeshan> ah
[21:48:15] <pcw_home> (most economical for low ripple DC power I should say)
[21:48:17] <pcw_home> single phase is fine if you dont care about the ripple but filtering single phase is expensive
[21:50:03] <pcw_home> (since with single phase, your capacitors have to supply the total load power for a brief time120 times a second)
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[21:59:32] <zeeshan> they must be beefy capacitors
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[22:47:15] <Jymmm> zeeshan: corn fed capacitors?
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[23:10:45] <zeeshan> Jymmm: yes
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[23:11:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Non GMO ?
[23:11:33] <zeeshan> nope!
[23:11:34] <zeeshan> :P
[23:11:40] <Jymmm> Bastard!
[23:11:41] <zeeshan> don't need mutant vfd
[23:12:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: if it's non-go that WOULD be mutan vfd
[23:12:12] <Jymmm> non-gmo*
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[23:58:37] <somenewguy> I am learning python. yay me
[23:59:00] <somenewguy> am I better served dealing w/ 2.x since I assume that is what linuxcnc is using for hte forseeable future?
