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[00:03:31] <andypugh> Would anyone have any guesses why the screen blanks on my mill? I have it set to “no screensaver” and the energy control panel is set to never sleep the display, but _still_ the screen goes blank after 15 minutes. The only way to wake it up is to poke the touch-screen. Sometimes this pokes a button, which is a bad thing.
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[00:12:38] <andypugh> Hmm, it appears to be a common problem with lots of (over-complicated) solutions.
[00:16:29] <jdh> out IT dept. insists on locking screen savers for all computers. Really silly with touch screens
[00:23:08] <andypugh> Goodnight chaps.
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[00:34:25] <roycroft> nice, the big brown truck just brought me a boston gear catalog
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[00:49:46] <Tom_itx> too bad he didn't bring you what's inside it
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[01:11:12] <roycroft> that might be fun
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[01:36:58] <elmo40> Connor: never break the neutral
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[02:42:12] <roycroft> elmo40 is absolutely correct
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[03:20:06] <Connor> elmo40: Why ?
[03:24:29] <Connor> elmo40: Old AT PSU Switches broke neutral..
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[03:44:53] <Tom_itx> that doesn't make it right
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[04:03:38] <roycroft> the neutral wire is a common return path for the entire circuit
[04:03:49] <roycroft> if you switch it everything down circuit will be isolated from that path
[04:04:12] <roycroft> and will seek another ground path
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[04:22:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks
[04:22:20] <XXCoder> yo
[04:22:49] <PetefromTn_andro> What's goin on net splits heh
[04:23:12] <XXCoder> probably that dumbass country attacking irc servers over something
[04:23:20] <XXCoder> thats what happened few months ago
[04:23:24] <XXCoder> actually maybe year by now
[04:23:46] <PetefromTn_andro> Hm mebbe
[04:27:07] <PetefromTn_andro> Been working on my prototype today now trying to program the second side operations
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[04:34:13] <Connor> Tom_itx: I know in HOME wiring you never break Neutral.
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[05:23:09] <Oldmanbeefjerky> hello, im currently looking into buying a CNC mill, i need to be able to mill steel and titanium at the best, but im not looking for something huge
[05:23:15] <Oldmanbeefjerky> just a workshop sized mill
[05:23:30] <Oldmanbeefjerky> what kind of pricing am i looking at for new and used ones in working order
[05:23:34] <XXCoder> hurco vm10
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[05:23:54] <XXCoder> car value for used one. new one I guess around $350,000
[05:24:09] <XXCoder> im sure there is better and cheaper options heh
[05:24:32] <Oldmanbeefjerky> im looking to buy one with some startup funds
[05:25:19] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i want to mass produce various "things" ive designed, and i need a mill to get it done
[05:25:28] <Oldmanbeefjerky> namely various gears
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[05:26:09] <XXCoder> cool unfortunately im getting pretty good with only one cnc (brand and model I named previously)_
[05:26:25] <XXCoder> im sure others know more but this time is when channel goes mostly dead.
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[05:27:47] <Oldmanbeefjerky> oh dear
[05:28:24] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i know absolutely nothing about cnc, what would you say i would expect to pay for a simble cnc capable of very high precision milling on steel?
[05:28:44] <XXCoder> my suggestion?
[05:28:53] <XXCoder> come in around 3 to 5 hours earlier
[05:28:59] <XXCoder> maybe more
[05:29:07] <Oldmanbeefjerky> righto then
[05:29:09] <XXCoder> channel'll be bit more chatty'
[05:29:20] <Oldmanbeefjerky> but im just asking your opinion, not fact
[05:29:24] <XXCoder> well maybe not at weekends. sat is pretty good but sunday nah
[05:29:51] <XXCoder> thats the problem, I dont know enough to give really valid opinion
[05:30:27] <XXCoder> I do know hurco vm10 can do what you ask for, but its riciously expensive for what you want to do unless youre looking into making business
[05:30:48] <XXCoder> its more expensive that average house. or 2 of em
[05:31:18] <XXCoder> *than
[05:39:28] <syyl_> "very high pecision"
[05:39:40] <syyl_> thats not a very precise question ;)
[05:39:53] <syyl_> are we talking about 1/1000mm?
[05:39:57] <Oldmanbeefjerky> no
[05:40:02] <Oldmanbeefjerky> hmm
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[05:40:56] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i guess just one capable of milling gears
[05:41:13] <Oldmanbeefjerky> 1/50mm ought to do it
[05:41:36] <Oldmanbeefjerky> and working with tiny mill bits
[05:42:13] <syyl_> profiling gears with small endmills?
[05:42:24] <syyl_> that might be the most ineffizient way to make gears :D
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[05:44:48] <Oldmanbeefjerky> im just looking at something that can
[05:45:11] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i dont know how fine they can go
[05:45:33] <syyl_> you can go down to endmills with .4mm diameter in steel without a problem
[05:45:56] <syyl_> that can be done on every little better vmc with a spindle that puts out some rpm
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[05:47:18] <syyl_> nothing to be done on the average cnc router ;)
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[05:48:15] <Oldmanbeefjerky> wow
[05:49:07] <Oldmanbeefjerky> well, if it can handle 1mm endmills im happy
[05:50:15] <Oldmanbeefjerky> so, how much am i looking to pay on a steel capable one which would support smaller endmills?
[05:50:32] <Oldmanbeefjerky> predominantly ide be doing such fine work on aluminium or plastic
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[05:53:18] <toastydeath> you need to get a gear tooth cutter if you're trying to mill gears - doing it via profiling is a very bad way to do gears unless your application is trivial
[05:53:59] <Oldmanbeefjerky> hmm i see
[05:54:16] <toastydeath> (trivial as in the accuracy of the gear doesn't matter and it won't take much load)
[05:54:38] <toastydeath> (many applications fit both these criteria)
[05:54:45] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i guess than a cnc is plainly out of the question for me then :(
[05:54:58] <toastydeath> what are you trying to put gears in
[05:55:08] <Oldmanbeefjerky> gears suitable for rc cars
[05:55:14] <toastydeath> oh, you should be fine.
[05:55:23] <toastydeath> how big are these gears, diameter wise
[05:56:13] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i like gears at mod 0.6-0.8 and the spur gears at biggest would be 40-50mm
[05:56:33] <Oldmanbeefjerky> but i guess cnc for me is out of the question atm
[05:57:11] <toastydeath> the forces are pretty light, you'll probably be okay
[05:57:14] <Oldmanbeefjerky> requesting someone to make me a bunch of aluminium gears would be out of the question right?
[05:57:17] <toastydeath> esp if they're in steel
[05:57:23] <toastydeath> yep, pretty much.
[05:57:25] <Oldmanbeefjerky> given the required endmill
[05:57:39] <Oldmanbeefjerky> no, aluminium
[05:57:39] <toastydeath> no, most people won't touch one off jobs with a ten foot pole
[05:57:53] <Oldmanbeefjerky> dang
[05:57:54] <toastydeath> ..are aluminum gears common in RC applications?
[05:58:11] <toastydeath> because if it were me, that's the last goddamn thing i'd make a gear out of
[05:58:13] <Oldmanbeefjerky> they are generally hardened after being cast
[05:58:23] <syyl_> i wouldnt touch a aluminum gear with a 10ft pole ;)
[05:58:24] <Oldmanbeefjerky> or are an alloy
[05:58:40] <Oldmanbeefjerky> well, further thought, the whole thing is silly
[05:59:01] <Oldmanbeefjerky> thanks for the insight, ima go now
[05:59:04] <Oldmanbeefjerky> cya
[05:59:05] <toastydeath> good luck
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[05:59:10] <syyl_> for one offs i would go to a wedm shop..
[05:59:12] <syyl_> ah
[05:59:14] <syyl_> gone
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[06:24:37] <roycroft> i'd rather make a gear out of aluminum than pizza dough
[06:24:56] <syyl_> hmh
[06:24:58] <syyl_> pizza
[06:25:06] <syyl_> nomnom ;)
[06:25:18] <syyl_> delicious gears
[06:25:22] <roycroft> a pizza dough gear would have the adavantage of being able to be eaten
[06:25:34] <syyl_> YES
[06:25:35] <syyl_> :D
[06:25:43] <syyl_> and would be as usefull as a gear from aluminum
[06:27:01] <roycroft> tomato sauce will put pits in aluminum
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[06:56:20] <Deejay__> moin
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[10:18:16] <MrL> Hi, I am atrying to install the linuxcnc 2.6 on my lubuntu but im stuck at obtaining the key from the key server as the server timeouts. Anyone can help me?
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[12:35:33] <elmo40> Connor: PSUs are designed to handle multivolt; 120V(one hot, one neutral) or "european" 240V(two hot). This is why they cut both leads.
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[13:11:34] <steve_stallings> linuxcnc-devel
[13:12:24] <steve_stallings> oops - wrong window
[13:25:13] <CaptHindsight> trace of snow last night
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[13:36:46] <elmo40> snow? the kiddie will have to make warm costumes for Halloween!
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[15:01:01] <ssi_> morn
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[15:02:17] <SpeedEvil> Mornign
[15:04:58] <ssi> so I was up all night reading about fanuc red cap motors and their stupid proprietary commutation
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[15:07:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-914 (sort-of-not-really-on-topic)
[15:07:29] <pcw_home_> 4 bit commutation?
[15:07:47] <ssi> pcw_home_: I believe so
[15:08:09] <ssi> right now it's looking like my best option is to pull them into inputs and use bldc to fake hall outputs for my drives
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[15:08:47] <pcw_home_> I think Asah worked on that some (the bldc comps code is not quite right but I think Asah has it working)
[15:09:29] <pcw_home_> Pico systems has a converter (its probably not a giant deal either)
[15:10:35] <ssi> I'd totally use the pico converter if it wasn't $150 per axis!
[15:10:38] <ssi> insanity
[15:10:50] <ssi> I'd sooner spin a board and reverse engineer the stuff myself than pay that
[15:12:47] <pcw_home_> probably a $1.50 CPLD and some interface hardware
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[15:14:56] <ssi> that is exactly what it is
[15:14:59] <ssi> infuriating
[15:15:10] <pcw_home_> I have a universal interface (small FPGA, industrial TTL/RS-422 I/O) card coming out
[15:15:12] <ssi> I want to take this opportunity to thank you again for making nice stuff and pricing it fairly :)
[15:15:12] <pcw_home_> but probably not soon enough probably could do 4 channels
[15:15:36] <ssi> I can spin a cpld or small fpga board if I need to
[15:16:02] <ssi> I'm just wondering if I should go down that road or just try to lead everything through io and use bldc in software
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[15:17:33] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I got power run last night
[15:17:52] <pcw_home_> I would tend to do it in hardware (you could use the BLDC way to verify the sequence and test)
[15:18:12] <PetefromTn_> nice
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[15:18:38] <ssi> pcw_home_: that's not a bad idea
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[15:19:09] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I think I'm going to order a wj200-150lf
[15:19:11] <ssi> the 20hp version
[15:19:46] <ssi> I need to pull the spindle cover and verify the nameplate on that motor, make sure it's actually the 9kw version and not the 5.5kw version
[15:20:42] <PetefromTn_> that would be good at least then whatever solution we come up with for spindle orient will be common to the both of our machines.
[15:21:31] <ssi> that drive is $1100 from driveswarehouse.com
[15:22:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine was like $1k or slighly less I think.
[15:24:35] <ssi> I wish you'd hurry up and try the closed loop stuff so I know whether or not this drive is woth buying ;)
[15:24:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am such a slacker....
[15:25:42] <Tom_itx> :D
[15:26:35] <PetefromTn_> If you are in such a hurry you are MORE than welcome to drive up here and see about it yourself ;)
[15:26:37] <ssi> PetefromTn_: these red cap motors are going to make my life harder than it needs to be
[15:26:49] <PetefromTn_> why?
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[15:29:00] <pcw_home_> are the Fanuc drives there?
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[19:09:59] * zeeshan loves the fanuc red cap motors
[19:10:59] <zeeshan> ssi do you have all the fanuc manuals
[19:11:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan: TAKE THE BLUE PILL, err MOTOR!
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[19:14:19] <zeeshan> Jymmm: haha
[19:14:29] <Jymmm> =)
[19:19:34] <SpeedEvil> I took the blue pill, now I can't put my trousers on.
[19:19:57] <XXCoder> thats why we humans invented sweatpants
[19:28:25] <Jymmm> lol
[20:01:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I thought sweatpants were invented my McDonalds - SuperSizeMe!
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[20:11:49] <zeeshan> anyone do a lot of weld-fabrication here?
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[20:13:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zIBOfWo.jpg
[20:13:59] <zeeshan> yayy
[20:14:02] <zeeshan> got space for the mill
[20:14:28] <jdh> paint the wall while you cna
[20:14:30] <XXCoder> yay! once you has mill, make cnc parts for me ;)
[20:14:43] <XXCoder> jdh: why? thats awesome homeshop decocation
[20:14:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes
[20:14:53] <zeeshan> jdh who cares about looks
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[20:14:53] <zeeshan> not me
[20:14:59] <jdh> better lighting with white walls
[20:15:08] <zeeshan> white walls = oil stains
[20:15:09] <zeeshan> :D
[20:15:39] <jdh> get rid of the car, lots of room.
[20:15:51] <zeeshan> thats not my daily driver car
[20:15:52] <zeeshan> thats my race car
[20:15:59] <jdh> s
[20:16:01] <jdh> so
[20:16:01] <zeeshan> it will be a garage queen
[20:16:10] <XXCoder> build larger garagew
[20:16:14] <zeeshan> why
[20:16:16] <zeeshan> i got enough space now
[20:16:16] <XXCoder> or seperate racecar garage
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[20:16:57] <zeeshan> let me just buy a factory
[20:16:58] <zeeshan> while im at it
[20:16:59] <zeeshan> !
[20:17:15] <jdh> good idea.
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[20:17:50] <XXCoder> move shop to new shop area
[20:18:12] <zeeshan> ill get a couple of mazak integrex e-ramteck v/10s
[20:18:14] <zeeshan> while im at it too
[20:19:17] <XXCoder> http://thebookofbiff.com/2012/05/16/1542-stripe/
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[20:21:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EbjryX2.jpg
[20:21:17] <zeeshan> i need a hose reel
[20:21:25] <zeeshan> that hose drives me insane
[20:22:15] <jdh> what's the vaseline for.
[20:22:23] <jdh> nevermind, I don't need to know.
[20:22:53] <zeeshan> you've gotta keep yourself occupied while waiting for the cnc to complete its part
[20:22:57] <zeeshan> :-)
[20:24:42] <jdh> how's teh everlast?
[20:24:56] <zeeshan> works good
[20:25:10] <zeeshan> isstead of compressed air i'd use nitrogen to plasma cut
[20:25:17] <zeeshan> air really owns the edge
[20:25:23] <zeeshan> so if you try to weld on it after, you get owned
[20:25:48] <jdh> is that just a plasma? looks like an all-in-one thing?
[20:25:54] <zeeshan> just plasma
[20:26:13] <zeeshan> the red thing is another machine
[20:26:50] <jdh> I need to be independently wealthy.
[20:27:15] <XXCoder> I need it too
[20:29:27] <zeeshan> wut
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[20:29:34] <XXCoder> I'd buy nice cnc machine and have fun
[20:29:46] <zeeshan> my friend called me a nerd
[20:29:53] <zeeshan> he was helping me move the air compressor
[20:29:56] <zeeshan> i shwoed him the cnc lathe
[20:30:03] <zeeshan> hes like "damn you're such a nerd"
[20:30:03] <zeeshan> :D
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[20:30:42] <humble_sea_bass> some folks just dont understand
[20:31:03] <XXCoder> nerd = obessed about something
[20:31:10] <humble_sea_bass> no
[20:31:13] <zeeshan> hes a mech eng
[20:31:16] <zeeshan> he understands :D
[20:31:35] <XXCoder> lol
[20:31:44] <XXCoder> or was it geek?
[20:31:46] <zeeshan> he was just talking trash though
[20:31:49] <zeeshan> when the program ran
[20:31:54] <zeeshan> he started giggling like a school girl
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[20:32:05] <zeeshan> cause hes ran the lathe when i was manual before
[20:32:15] <zeeshan> when we were fabricating parts in the past for some race cars
[20:32:29] <zeeshan> and now i guess it was funny to see it do it on its own
[20:33:56] <XXCoder> nice. :)
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[20:34:17] <zeeshan> has anyone wrote a g-code program
[20:34:26] <zeeshan> which makes the steppers sing a tune?
[20:34:26] <zeeshan> haha
[20:34:29] <XXCoder> lol good one
http://thebookofbiff.com/2012/10/18/1653-masked/
[20:34:48] <zeeshan> XXCoder:
[20:34:51] <zeeshan> thats an EXCELLENT idea to scare someone
[20:34:52] <zeeshan> haha
[20:34:56] <XXCoder> yeah
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[20:51:33] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:56:21] <pcw_home_> zeeshan: theres daisy in the linuxcnc sample files
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[21:02:43] <zeeshan> pcw_home_: will try it
[21:03:06] <sivu> phew. getting raspberry pi build of linuxcnc almost done
[21:03:10] <sivu> with gertboard driver
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[21:05:37] <pcw_home_> needs rotary axis :-( I guess its 4 part harmony
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[21:08:39] <zeeshan> haha
[21:09:37] <zeeshan> theres gotta be one for a lathe
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[23:37:21] <XXCoder> OUCH~~
[23:37:22] <XXCoder> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5206698496/h06DEBB97/
[23:37:36] <XXCoder> Big concerete slab cut
[23:37:51] <XXCoder> I suppose they can add secret trapdoor in kitchen now
[23:42:15] <LeelooMinai> Burgler trap
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[23:42:41] <XXCoder> hmm yeah some brittle wood with rug over it
[23:42:52] <XXCoder> use rug with cloud shaped graphic on it lol
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[23:56:33] <Jymmm> When you need a new project for your cnc lathe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKL6elkbFy0
